B.8. Ordinance No. 2025-51: (Second Reading/Public Hearing) An ordinance amending Chapter 52 of the City Code, entitled "Streets, Sidewalks and Other Public Places"; amending Section 52-6, "Procedure to initiate street, facility or park name changes; application fee"; providing for revised procedures for street renaming and adding procedure for honorary street naming. (Applicant - Melbourne City Council)

[B.8. Ordinance No. 2025-51: (Second Reading/Public Hearing) An ordinance amending Chapter 52 of the City Code, entitled "Streets, Sidewalks and Other Public Places"; amending Section 52-6, "Procedure to initiate street, facility or park name changes; application fee"; providing for revised procedures for street renaming and adding procedure for honorary street naming. (Applicant - Melbourne City Council)]

UNFINISHED BUSINESS ITEM EIGHT. ADAM. THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR. THIS IS ORDINANCE NUMBER 20 2551, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AMENDING CHAPTER 52 OF THE CITY CODE ENTITLED STREETS, SIDEWALKS, AND OTHER PUBLIC PLACES. AMENDING SECTION.

SECTION 52 SIX PROCEDURE TO INITIATE STREET FACILITY OR PARK NAME CHANGES. APPLICATION FEE TO PROVIDE FOR AN HONORARY STREET NAMING PROCEDURE. MAKING FINDINGS. PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND INTERPRETATION, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND PROVIDING AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE.

ALL RIGHT. MR. GOOD EVENING, VICE MAYOR COUNCIL, THIS IS THE SECOND READING OF THIS ITEM, THE ONLY. OKAY. WHY DON'T WE GO GET ALFRED, THE MAYOR? WELL, I MEAN, HE'LL COME BACK WHEN HE'S GOING TO COME BACK. THEY THEY KNOW BECAUSE HE MAYBE HE DOESN'T KNOW THAT WE'RE. THAT'S FINE. MISTER, WOULD YOU CONTINUE, PLEASE? ALL RIGHT. THE ONLY THING I HAVE FOR THE AD FOR THE SECOND READING IS THAT I DID REACH OUT TO THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS OFFICE AND TALKED WITH MISTER BABINEC. HE INDICATED THAT THEY HAD HAD SOME ISSUES WITH NAME CHANGES AND HONORARY NAME CHANGES, TRIGGERING PROBLEMS WITH THE VOTER REGISTRATION PROCESS.

WHERE THAT ISSUE SEEMED TO BE CONCENTRATED WAS THE DRIVER'S LICENSES. APPARENTLY YOU ARE ALLOWED TO NOT USE THE OFFICIAL ADDRESS ON YOUR DRIVER'S LICENSE, AND SOME FOLKS WILL THAT HAVE LIVED ON A-1-A HAD CHANGED THE DRIVER'S LICENSE TO REFLECT JIMMY BUFFETT MEMORIAL HIGHWAY INSTEAD OF THEIR OFFICIAL ADDRESS OF A-1-A. AND WHEN THEY CAME TO DO THEIR VOTING, THEIR OFFICIAL ADDRESS DID NOT MATCH THE ADDRESS ON THE DRIVER'S LICENSE, AND THEREFORE THAT TRIGGERED A REJECTION OF THEIR VOTE. AT THAT POINT IN TIME, THE RESOLUTION THAT I PROPOSED TO THEM IS THAT AS PART OF OUR OUTREACH TO THE COMMUNITY, FOR ANYBODY THAT IS ALONG A CORRIDOR WHERE WE HAVE DONE A HONORARY RENAMING AS THAT, WE WILL PROVIDE A FORMAL NOTICE AND WARNING THAT THE HONORARY NAMING DOES NOT CHANGE THEIR OFFICIAL ADDRESS FOR THE PURPOSES OF VOTING, AND SHOULD NOT BE USED FOR THEIR DRIVER'S LICENSES IN CASE THAT CAUSES A PARTICULAR ISSUE OF CONFUSION. THANK YOU FOR REACHING OUT, I APPRECIATE THAT. OUTSIDE OF THAT, I HAVE NOTHING FURTHER TO ADD FOR THE SECOND READING.

OKAY. NO MORE QUESTIONS, MAYOR. QUESTION, SIR. SO IF THAT IF THAT'S THE THE ISSUE IS THE DRIVER'S LICENSE. SO THAT KIND OF BEGS THE QUESTION FOR ME. SO WHAT IS THE COST TO GET A NEW

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DRIVER'S LICENSE? TYPICALLY I DO NOT HAVE THE EXACT COST FOR A NEW DRIVER'S LICENSE. OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. I HAD TO DO IT RECENTLY. IT WAS ROUGHLY $60. BUT AGAIN, RIGHT. THIS AN HONORARY RENAMING WOULDN'T REQUIRE HONORARY WOULDN'T REQUIRE THAT. BUT A PERMANENT REQUIRES THAT, CORRECT? YES. AN INDIVIDUAL HAS TO PAY THAT. CORRECT. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING AT. THANK YOU MAYOR OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? ANY OKAY. THE PUBLIC HEARING. NO SIGN UP SHEET. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. BRING BACK THE COUNCIL. MAYOR. GO AHEAD. MR. HANLEY, ORDINANCE 2025 DASH 51 SECOND. HAVE A MOTION BY MISS HANLEY. SECOND BY MRS. BASSETT. SECOND READING.

ROLL CALL. VOTE, PLEASE. COUNCIL MEMBER. BASSETT. COUNCILMEMBER. HANLEY.

COUNCILMEMBER. KENNEDY. COUNCILMEMBER. SMITH. COUNCILMEMBER. LARUSSO. VICE

[C.9. Pineda Causeway Booster Pump Station Chemical Storage and Feed Improvements, Project No. 31023. a. Contract award for the Pineda Causeway Booster Pump Station Chemical Storage and Feed Improvements, Project No. 31023, L7 Construction, Inc., Longwood, FL - $1,423,700. b. Task Order No. CDM 04 to the Continuing Services Contract for Professional Consulting Services for Services During Construction for the Pineda Booster Pump Station Storage Chemical and Feed Improvements, Project No. 31023, CDM Smith, Inc., Maitland, FL - $135,195.]

MAYOR. NEWMAN. MAYOR. ALFREY. THAT MOTION PASSES. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER NINE. MISS BAGNOLI. AND. YEAH. MOVE THEM UP. OKAY. YEAH. GOOD EVENING. MAYOR. COUNCIL, THIS ITEM IS FOR A CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT AWARD TO L-7 CONSTRUCTION OF LONGWOOD, FLORIDA, FOR THE PINEDA CAUSEWAY BOOSTER PUMP STATION. CHEMICAL ADDITION. SO, BACK IN 20 2011, THE PINEDA BOOSTER STATION WAS CONSTRUCTED. 2 MILLION GALLON STORAGE TANK AND PUMPS TO HELP BOOST PRESSURES AND FLOWS IN THE SYSTEM. HOWEVER, IT WAS ONLY A YEAR OR SO AGO THAT WE COMPLETED THE PINEDA CAUSEWAY 16 INCH TRANSMISSION MAIN OVER TO THE BEACH SIDE. SO NOW THAT THAT TRANSMISSION MAIN IS HELPING TO MOVE WATER TO THE BEACH SIDE, IT'S TIME TO ADD THE CHEMICAL ADDITION, WHICH IS THE CHLORINE AND AMMONIA, WHICH FORMS CHLORAMINES TO HELP BOOST THE CHLORINE IN THE SYSTEM. SO AGAIN, IT'S CONSTRUCTING SOME CHEMICAL STORAGE AND A CANOPY AND SOME PIPING, ELECTRICAL INSTRUMENTATION AND CONTROLS TO MOVE THAT, TO PUMP THAT INTO THE WATER SYSTEM. AND ON OCTOBER 21ST, WE RECEIVED THREE BIDS FOR THE PROJECT, WITH THE APPARENT LOW BIDDER BEING L-7 CONSTRUCTION OF LONGWOOD, FLORIDA, WHO SUBMITTED A BID IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,423,700, AND THAT WAS REVIEWED BY THE ENGINEER OF RECORD. THIS IS ALSO THE SAME CONTRACTOR WHO'S CURRENTLY HAD BEEN AWARDED FOR THE BIOSOLIDS IMPROVEMENTS AT BOTH DB LEE AND GRANT STREET, AND THEY'VE BEEN PERFORMING SO FAR. ADDITIONALLY, THIS ITEM INCLUDES A TASK ORDER TO CDM IN THE AMOUNT OF $135,195 FOR ADDITIONAL ENGINEERING SERVICES DURING CONSTRUCTION. THAT'S REALLY JUST REQUESTING APPROVAL OF THE CONTRACT AWARD AND APPROVAL OF THE TASK ORDER. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS MAGNOLIA? NO QUESTIONS.

NONE. ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR ITEM A? MAYOR? GOOD, SIR. RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF CONTRACT AWARD TO L7 CONSTRUCTION INC, LONGWOOD, FLORIDA, FOR THE PINEDA CAUSEWAY BOOSTER PUMP STATION. CHEMICAL STORAGE AND FEED IMPROVEMENTS. PROJECT NUMBER 31023, IN THE AMOUNT OF 1,423,000 AND $700,000, $700. OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND BY MISS KENNEDY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE AYE, AND A MOTION PASSES. MB MAYOR. GO AHEAD. SIR. APPROVAL OF TASK ORDER NUMBER CDM ZERO FOUR TO CDM SMITH, INC. MAITLAND, FLORIDA FOR ENGINEERING SERVICES DURING CONSTRUCTION IN THE AMOUNT OF $135,195. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION BY MISS MOTION AND SECOND, BY MR. SMITH. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE AYE, AND THAT MOTION PASSES. WE'RE GOING

[C.10. CONSENT AGENDA]

TO MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER TEN. THE CONSENT AGENDA. NOTHING WAS. NO. THERE WAS A THE FOURTH QUARTER BUDGET AMENDMENT WAS FOR THE FOURTH QUARTER BUDGET AMENDMENT OKAY. THAT'S ITEM L, ITEM L, A ITEM A, A THROUGH K AND M. WE HAVE A MOTION. MAYOR. GO AHEAD. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEMS A THROUGH K AND M OKAY. SECOND HAVE A MOTION. SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY

[C.11. ITEMS REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA]

AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE ON THAT MOTION PASSES. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 11, WHICH WOULD BE L WHO PULLED IT? OKAY. GOOD. SIR. HE'S GOING TO PRESENT. YEAH. GO AHEAD. GOOD

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EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. BEAR WITH ME REAL QUICK AS I GET SET UP. SO THIS IS GOING TO BE RATHER BRIEF BY COMPARISON TO SOME OF OUR PRIOR QUARTERLIES. NOT AS MUCH HAPPENS ON OUR FOURTH QUARTER. IT'S GENERALLY GOING TO BE A TIDYING UP OF ANY VARIANCES THAT WE'VE NOTICED, AS WELL AS ANY SORT OF LAST MINUTE ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED BEFORE THE END OF THE 60 DAY PERIOD AFTER THE FISCAL YEAR ENDS. SO MAIN THING THAT YOU'RE SEEING UP THERE IS THE GENERAL FUNDS DECREASE OF 1.9 MILLION. AT THIS POINT IN THE YEAR, WE TYPICALLY REMOVE ANY UNSPENT ARPA FUNDS FROM THE BUDGET TO PREVENT ANY LARGE VARIANCES.

IT'S JUST KIND OF A HOUSEKEEPING ITEM. MORE THAN ANYTHING. THE SHIP FUND HAS PROGRAM ADMIN THAT WE WERE RECOGNIZING WORKERS COMPENSATION FUND. WE SAW SOME INCREASES IN THE NUMBER OF WORKER COMPENSATION CASES AND AS, AS A RESULT, AN INCREASE IN THE AMOUNT OF EXPENSES IN THAT FUND. SAME THING WITH THE RISK MANAGEMENT FUND. ONE NOTE ON THE RISK MANAGEMENT FUND THAT WAS DISPROPORTIONATELY HITTING THE GENERAL FUND, THIS TIME IN AN ASSET SURVEY, WE IDENTIFIED THAT THERE WAS AN UNDERREPORTING OF GENERAL FUND VALUE WITHIN OUR INSURED ASSETS. SO THIS IS A CORRECTION OF THAT. AND THEN WITHIN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND, WE MADE A COUPLE OF ITEMS FOR A VARIETY OF PROJECTS TO CLEAN UP CERTAIN BALANCES, RECOGNIZE CERTAIN GRANTS AND THE LIKE. LOOKING AT THE GENERAL FUND A LITTLE MORE SPECIFICALLY, THE HERE ARE SOME OF THE BIGGER VARIANCES THAT WE NOTICED, AT LEAST FROM REVENUES PERSPECTIVE. WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT ELECTRIC UTILITY TAX AND ELECTRIC FRANCHISE FEES FOR THE MAJORITY OF THIS YEAR. WE'VE OBVIOUSLY BEEN OPERATING IN AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE WE HAVE A 2024 STORM SURCHARGE, RECOVERY COSTS THAT WILL BE GOING AWAY IN DECEMBER. BUT WHAT REALLY SPURRED ON THIS ADDITIONAL BUDGET VARIANCE, FROM WHAT WE'VE PREVIOUSLY SEEN, WAS PROBABLY WHAT WAS OUR HIGHEST MONTH OF USAGE ON RECORD IN TERMS OF KILOWATT HOURS. THIS THIS PREVIOUS AUGUST, I WAS LOOKING FOR ANY, ANY POSSIBLE REASON THAT WOULD DRIVE. THAT SEEMS LIKE IT WAS THE SAME WARMTH, AT LEAST WHEN LOOKING AT 24 VERSUS 25, IT MAY JUST BE A RELIC OF, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT THE BILLING CYCLE COVERED A FEW MORE DAYS THAT MONTH. I HAVEN'T HAD AN ABILITY TO REALLY GET ANY MUCH FURTHER INTO IT, BUT SEEING THAT HISTORIC MONTH IN AUGUST IS WHAT DROVE THOSE THOSE ADDITIONAL VARIANCES THERE, INTEREST INCOME, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT FOR IF WE HAVE BALANCES IN THE BANK AND IT'S EARNING INTEREST, WE'VE NOT SEEN THOSE RATE CUTS GOING AS QUICKLY AS WE THOUGHT, EVEN STILL. AND SO THERE WAS JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE INTEREST INCOME TO TO RECOGNIZE. WE ALSO HAVE PLAN CHECKING FEES, FIRE PLAN REVIEW FEES AND BUILDING PERMITS. IF YOU REMEMBER, BACK IN JULY, YOU INCREASED BY 25% ROUGHLY THEREABOUT. SOME OF THESE FEES. SO THIS IS THE IMPACT OF WHAT YOU'RE SEEING FROM THAT, THAT INCREASE. AND THEN THE ONLY THING REALLY OF NOTE AT THE BOTTOM THERE IS YOUR LAKE WASHINGTON MITIGATION BANK AND SALE OF SURPLUS PROPERTY. THESE ARE ONE TIME REVENUES. WE GENERALLY LIKE TO PUT THEM TO OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS. ONE THING THAT WE DID DIFFERENTLY THIS TIME AROUND WAS FOR THE LAKE WASHINGTON MITIGATION BANK. THE 500,000 THERE THAT WAS PURCHASED AND CREATED BY THE TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEE ZONE ONE, FOR THE PURPOSES OF EVENTUALLY MITIGATING THE COST OF DOING THE WASHINGTONIA ROAD EXTENSION. THAT'S IN THE LONG RANGE PLAN FOR ADDITIONAL ROADWAYS OUT WEST OF 95, SINCE THAT WAS GOING TO REQUIRE A LOT OF WETLAND MITIGATION TO DO SO.

WITH THAT ZONE PRETTY TAPPED OUT ON USES OF OUR EXISTING IMPACT FEES. STAFF THOUGHT IT BEST TO START PUTTING A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY AWAY ON THIS PROJECT, SO THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO STILL KEEP IT MOVING. I KNOW THAT THE COUNTY WAS EXPLORING THE EXPLORATORY STUDY ON THE ALIGNMENT AND THE LIKE, SO WE FELT THAT THIS WAS A GOOD USE OF THAT MONEY AT THIS TIME.

BEYOND THAT, JUST TO TOUCH BACK REAL QUICK ON THE ELECTRIC, JUST BECAUSE THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS RECENT AND IN THE NEWS WHEN WE LOOKED AT THIS CHART FOR THE 1000 KILOWATT HOUR BILL, WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THE BUDGET PROCESS, IT WAS THAT VERY TINY DOTTED LINE THAT WAS UP TOP THERE THAT SAYS 2020 OR 2000. FEBRUARY 25TH 28TH OF 2025 PROPOSED NEW TARIFF RATES.

A LOT OF LARGER ADVOCACY GROUPS AND FPL CAME TOGETHER AND PROVIDED A PROPOSED RATE SETTLEMENT ON AUGUST 20TH. IF YOU HAVE BEEN WATCHING THE NEWS THAT WAS JUST RECENTLY ACCEPTED, SO WHAT WE WERE USING INITIALLY IN THE BUDGET, IT ACTUALLY CAME IN A LITTLE BIT LOWER PER THE 1000 KILOWATT HOUR BILL THAN WHAT WE SAW MOVING FORWARD. AND JUST AS A REMINDER, FOR AT LEAST LOOKING AT IT FROM OUR REVENUE STANDPOINT, AS THE STORM SURCHARGE DISAPPEARS AND THAT SLIGHTLY LOWER RATE COMES INTO EFFECT, WE SHOULD SEE A MIRRORING OF WHERE WE'RE ANTICIPATING OUR BUDGET TO GO VERSUS THE ACTUALS THAT WE'RE SEEING, PROVIDED THAT THERE'S NO INCREASE IN CONSUMPTION. SO OUTSIDE OF THAT, THAT WAS ALL I HAD PREPARED FOR THE MEETING.

BUT IF THERE WAS ANYTHING SPECIFIC IN THERE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO ADDRESS, I'D BE HAPPY TO DO SO. SURE. MAYOR, JUST JUST TO EXPLAIN PART OF MY THOUGHT ON IT. ONE FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK YOU AND YOUR TEAM ONE, FOR THE GREAT WORK THAT YOU GUYS DO IS DOING AN AMAZING JOB. YOU ALSO NOTED SOMETHING THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT, WHICH IS OUR MAJOR REVENUE

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SOURCES ARE SHOWING THAT WE'RE OVERESTIMATING THE BUDGET, NOT OVERESTIMATED OVERPERFORMING THE BUDGET AT THE MOMENT, WHICH IS FANTASTIC NEWS TO HEAR, ESPECIALLY AS WE'RE GOING INTO A SEASON WHICH MAY BE DIFFICULT FOR CITY BUDGETS GOING FORWARD. SO THAT BEING SAID, THE REASON WHY I PULLED THIS, AND IF YOU HAVE NOTICED, I PULLED THEM ON A QUARTERLY BASIS. THEY GIVE US THIS QUARTERLY. THIS USED TO BE AN AGENDA ITEM. AND THEN I DON'T REMEMBER WHEN IT WAS RELEGATED INTO CONSENT, ESPECIALLY NOW THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH INTERESTING TIMES WHEN IT COMES TO THE REVENUE SOURCES FOR THE CITY, I THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE WORTH OUR WHILE TO CONSIDER HAVING THIS AS AN AGENDA ITEM TO GET THIS REPORT ON A CONTINUAL BASIS. SO IF THE COUNCIL WOULD PROVIDE CONSENSUS, I'D BE INTERESTED IF WE MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN HAVING THIS JUST AS AN AGENDA ITEM EACH TIME. SO ROSS COULD GIVE US AN UPDATE, YOU KNOW, QUARTER BY QUARTER HOW THINGS ARE GOING. WE'VE THERE WAS ONE QUARTER ONCE IT WAS $10 MILLION OF SURPLUS. THAT WAS THAT WAS AN ANOMALY. I'M NOT GOING TO NEAR NORMAL, BUT THAT THERE WAS A LOT GOING ON THERE. AND I THINK IT'S JUST USEFUL TO KNOW. SO OKAY, YOU'RE DONE. GOOD. AND THEN WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME IT WAS AN AGENDA ITEM? I BELIEVE THIS WAS CONSENT AGENDA FOR QUITE A LONG TIME. I WANT TO SAY THAT IT PREDATES MY TIME AS DIRECTOR. YEAH, I MEAN YEARS I MEAN, SINCE IT'S BECAME A I'M NOT ARGUING IT. YEAH, BUT IT WASN'T WHEN YOU'RE HERE. NO, NO IT WASN'T WHEN I WAS. NO, OF COURSE NOT. I MEAN, IT WENT THROUGH THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM BECAUSE IT WAS IT, IT WAS JUST THAT SIMPLE. ALL RIGHT. SO IF WE WANT TO SIMPLIFY IT AND COMPLICATE IT MORE AND FIND OUT MORE IN DEPTH, I'M FOR IT. IT'S OKAY. BUT I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. OH SURE. OF COURSE. YEAH. AND THAT'S NOT DURING EITHER OF YOUR TENURES. I DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT TIME WAS. IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE CONSENT AGENDA. OKAY. SO GREAT. CLEAR THAT. I CAN AGREE WITH THE VICE MAYOR. BUT WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT ANY TIME WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUDGETARY OR FISCAL OR MONEY, I HAVE NO ISSUES IN HAVING A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT, BECAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT KIND OF KNOWLEDGE WE CAN GLEAN FROM IT. AND I DON'T THINK IT TAKES AWAY I THINK IT ADDS VALUE, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE TALKING. I MEAN, SOME OF THE FOLKS HERE, THIS IS THEIR SECOND TERM. BUT, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY FIRST TIME NEW MEMBERS LIKE MYSELF, DEFINITELY THERE'S VALUE IN HEARING INFORMATION AND THEN BEING ABLE TO SEE A TREND UP OR DOWN, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S VALUE IN THAT. SO THAT'S WHERE I WOULD SIT WITH THAT. YEAH. SO OKAY. SO WHAT'S YOUR GOAL, VICE MAYOR. WELL NO I THINK WE JUST NEED CONSENSUS TO THE GOAL IS I THINK THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY DURING THESE INTERESTING AND SOMETHING POSSIBLY WILD TIMES, DEPENDING ON WHAT HAPPENS IN THE LEGISLATURE AND WHAT HAVE YOU, TO HAVE THIS OFF CONSENT AND US TO HAVE ROSS GIVE US A QUARTERLY UPDATE ON THE STATE, OR JUST OKAY TO PULL IT EVERY TIME TO. WELL, I MEAN, I'VE BEEN PULLING IT EVERY TIME, BUT I FIGURE IT'S EITHER ONE. THE POOR MAYOR, EVERY TIME IT'S TO LOOK OVER TO ME. AND THEN HERE I AM, THE BAD GUY PULLING THIS THING WHO PULLED IT, RIGHT? SO LIKE I SAID, THAT THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. SO, I MEAN, I'M COUNTING THREE. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE. FOUR. YEAH, I WOULD JUST PUT IN MY $0.02 IN. YOU'RE GOING TO PULL IT EVERY TIME ANYWAY, RIGHT? OKAY. SO AT THAT POINT WE MIGHT AS WELL JUST PUT IT ON THE AGENDA SO THAT ROSS CAN PREPARE FOR IT TO BE ON THE AGENDA. BUT IT IS GOOD INFORMATION TO HAVE AND TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ON IT. THANK YOU. IF YOU'LL ALLOW, I'LL TALK ABOUT GOVERNMENT FINANCE AS LONG AS ANYBODY'S WILLING TO LISTEN. I THINK I THINK WE'VE PROVEN WHAT HAVE WE DONE? WHAT HAVE WE DONE? SO SOMETIMES YOU GET WHAT YOU YOU WISH FOR. ONE THING I DO WANT TO POINT OUT, AT LEAST REGARDING THE VICE MAYOR'S COMMENTS REGARDING THE INTERESTING TIMES WE'RE IN, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE WERE ABLE TO IDENTIFY SOME OF THESE ONE TIME REVENUES AND APPROPRIATELY USE THEM FOR NON-RECURRING COSTS. I DO WANT TO CAUTION COUNCIL THAT IF, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF NON IDENTIFIED FUNDING SOURCES FOR IF SOME OF THESE THESE PROPOSALS TO ELIMINATE OR REDUCE PROPERTY TAX WERE TO MOVE FORWARD. SO I DO WANT TO POINT YOU TO OUR SALES TAX REVENUES BECAUSE THAT'S BEEN TYPICALLY WHEN THE STATE DOES LOOK TO ADJUST ITS TAX CODE, TYPICALLY WILL USE SALES TAXES AS A WAY TO OFFSET THEM. I'VE NOT HEARD THAT AS BEING THE PROPOSED USE OF IT, BUT I DO WANT TO WARN COUNCIL THAT WHILE YES, WE HAD SOME BRIGHT SPOTS THIS YEAR, SALES TAX IS NOT ONE OF THEM. SO IF THE IDEA HERE IS THAT IF YOU'RE EVER GOING TO HAVE SOME SORT OF LEGISLATION REMOVING PROPERTY TAXES IN FAVOR OF A SALES TAX OR ANY LIKE, YOU'LL HAVE TO BASICALLY RUBBER STAMP GROWTH TO MAKE YOUR BUDGET WORK IN THE FUTURE YEARS. AND I DON'T WANT TO SEE YOU HAVE TO DO THAT. SO JUST IN LINE WITH WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT PREVIOUSLY, WITH WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT GOING TO THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES WITH JUST WANT TO CAUTION YOU ON THAT. AGAIN, BRIGHT SPOTS THIS YEAR THAT WE WERE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF. BUT IF THAT'S THE LONG TERM SOLUTION FOR WHAT THE PROPERTY TAX DISCUSSION GOES WITH, THAT'S A HARD, HARD PILL TO SWALLOW. AND MAYOR, JUST SO I COULD RESPOND TO THAT. YES. JUST SO YOU KNOW, FOR YOU AND YOUR TEAM'S SAKE AND FOR JENNY AND EVERYONE ELSE, EVERY TIME WE TALK ABOUT PROPERTY TAX WITH THE STATE REPRESENTATIVE, AT LEAST I CAN SPEAK ON MY BEHALF. I ALWAYS BRING UP THAT FORMULA THAT YOU, THAT YOU'VE EDUCATED ME ABOUT, AND HOW WE REALLY NEED TO FIND A WAY WHERE WE'RE

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GETTING. FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY, OUR POPULATION IS GROWING, BUT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE'RE RECEIVING DUE TO THAT POPULATION IS DECREASING BASED ON THIS FORMULA. IT'S NOT PERFECT. AND SO TRYING TO FIND A WAY FOR THEM TO MAKE IT FAIR FOR US BASED ON THE REVENUES AND WHAT OUR IMPACTS ARE. SO BUT ANYWAY, THANK YOU. JUST AS A CAUTIONARY TALE, YOU GAVE ME THE OPPORTUNITY. I'M GONNA TAKE IT EVERY TIME. ABSOLUTELY. NO, I APPRECIATE YOU DOING IT. SO WAS OKAY. WAS THAT SO? THERE'S POTENTIALLY POTENTIALLY TWO THINGS, RIGHT? ONE, BECAUSE IT WAS PULLED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA. WE STILL NEED ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER 4389 TO WHETHER TO ADOPT THESE FOURTH QUARTER BUDGET. ADJUSTMENTS.

AND THEN SECONDLY, IF THERE'S IF WE WANT TO GET COUNCIL CONSENSUS TO JUST HAVE THE QUARTERLY BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS AS A REGULAR AGENDA ITEM RATHER THAN THE CONSENT AGENDA, BUT DO NEED TO TAKE ACTION ON RESOLUTION 4389. SO, MAYOR, GO AHEAD. I MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM L SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN DO WE DO YOU NEED A MOTION OR JUST CONSENSUS? JUST CONSENSUS I THINK. DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS. NO THAT'S NOT PULL IT EVERY TIME. I MEAN I'LL PULL IT EVERY TIME. BUT. WELL HE CAN PULL IT EVERY TIME. HE CAN PULL IT EVERY TIME. HE'S LIKE I THINK THERE'S ONLY ONE, ONE NAYSAYER. OKAY. SO ARE WE GOOD ON THAT ONE? NAY, SIR. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GONNA MOVE TO ITEM. COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH IS REQUESTED THAT ITEM NUMBER 20

[C.20. Discussion regarding a revision to Council Policy #36 — Travel and Per Diem. (Requested by Council Member Marcus Smith) (Postponed - 10/28/2025)]

BE. HEY, COUNCIL, REAL QUICK. COUNCILMEMBER. COUNCILMEMBER SMITH HAS ASKED FOR ITEM 20 TO BE PULLED UP. IS IS THERE ANY OBJECTION TO THAT? ARE THERE PEOPLE HERE TO SPEAK? YEAH.

OKAY. PEOPLE. IS THAT OKAY WITH ANYBODY? HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS? SURE. OKAY. THANK YOU MAYOR. NO PROBLEM. THANK YOU. COUNCIL, YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF DOCUMENTS BEFORE YOU. I'LL READ THE THE DOCUMENT THAT I PUT TOGETHER JUST TO SORT OF SET THE STAGE AS TO WHAT ITEM NUMBER 20 IS ABOUT. AND FOR THOSE FOLLOWING ALONG IN THE AUDIENCE ITEM AGENDA ITEM 20. SO THIS IS AN ITEM THAT I TALKED ABOUT A WHILE BACK AS A REVISION TO COUNCIL POLICY NUMBER. POLICY NUMBER 36, OUR TRAVEL AND PER DIEM. THE PURPOSE OF THIS REVISION IS TO ADD THE GREATER PALM BAY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, THE BREVARD, AND WE VENTURE TO THE LIST OF ORGANIZATIONS THAT CITY FORMALLY RECOGNIZES AS SERVING A VALID PUBLIC PURPOSE. ALONGSIDE THE CURRENT THREE APPROVED ORGANIZATIONS WE HAVE, WHICH IS THE SPACE COAST LEAGUE OF CITIES, THE MELBOURNE REGIONAL CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND ECONOMIC, THE EDC FLORIDA SPACE COAST. AND SO I'M NOT GOING TO TALK THROUGH THE POINTS THAT I HAVE HERE, BUT I DO WANT TO HAVE THE ORGANIZATIONS GIVE HIM A COUPLE OF MINUTES TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT THEMSELVES, AND THEN AFTER THEY FINISH TALKING, I CAN FURTHER SUMMARIZE MY POINTS, IF THAT'S OKAY. MAYOR. ALL RIGHT. SO YEAH. SO LET'S HAVE THE THE PALM BAY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE COME FORWARD FIRST.

THAT WOULD BE NANCY, PELOTON AND THE NEW PRESIDENT NANCY RETIRED AND THE NEW PRESIDENT OF THE PALM BAY CHAMBER. SHE NEVER RETIRES. NANCY, YOU HAVE TO COME FORWARD TO COME ON. SHE HAS TO STAND RIGHT NEXT TO ME AND MAKE SURE I DO THIS. THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'S RIGHT. WELL, GOOD EVENING AND THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, FOR ALLOWING ME TO SHARE BRIEFLY ABOUT THE ACTIVITIES OF THE GREATER PALM BAY CHAMBER. I'M COREY SKATES, THE NEW PRESIDENT AND CEO OF THE CHAMBER. AND I'M JOINED TONIGHT BY OUTGOING PRESIDENT AND CEO NANCY PELTONEN. IN THE CHAMBER INDUSTRY, WE OFTEN SAY, IF YOU'VE SEEN ONE CHAMBER, YOU'VE SEEN ONE CHAMBER. EVERY CHAMBER IS UNIQUE, SHAPED BY THE NEEDS, PRIORITIES AND OPPORTUNITIES OF THE COMMUNITY IT SERVES. AT THE GREATER PALM BAY CHAMBER, OUR WORK EXTENDS WELL BEYOND PALM BAY. WE PROUDLY SERVE BUSINESSES ACROSS THE SPACE COAST, INCLUDING RIGHT HERE IN MELBOURNE. IN FACT, 187 OF OUR MEMBERS ABOUT ONE THIRD OF THE MEMBERSHIP ARE MELBOURNE BASED BUSINESSES.

UNDERSCORING HOW TRULY REGIONAL AND INTERCONNECTED OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY IS. OUR INITIATIVES DIRECTLY SUPPORT THE NEEDS OF MELBOURNE'S EMPLOYERS, RESIDENTS AND NEIGHBORHOODS, INCLUDING THE BREVARD PROSPERITY INITIATIVE, WHERE ONE OF OUR CORE FOCUS AREAS IS MELBOURNE'S 32 901 ZIP CODE, WORKING TO ADVANCE ECONOMIC MOBILITY, REDUCE BARRIERS TO EMPLOYMENT AND STRENGTHEN LONG TERM COMMUNITY PROSPERITY. OUR MULTICULTURAL NETWORKING GROUP, WHICH FOSTERS INCLUSIVE ECONOMIC ENGAGEMENT AND RELATIONSHIP BUILDING ACROSS BREVARD COUNTY'S DIVERSE BUSINESS COMMUNITY. THESE MEETINGS OFTEN INCLUDE EDUCATIONAL COMPONENTS SUCH AS PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT TOPICS, CULTURAL BUSINESS INSIGHTS, OR SMALL BUSINESS RESOURCES. SCATTY THE SMALL OR THE SPACE COAST ALLIANCE FOR TECH AND INNOVATION BRINGING TOGETHER MANUFACTURERS, TECH FIRMS, SPACE AND DEFENSE COMPANIES,

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STARTUPS AND INNOVATORS TO COLLABORATE, NETWORK AND DISCUSS GOVERNMENT CONTRACTING AND SHARE BEST PRACTICES. THE ANNUAL MAYOR'S BREAKFAST, PROVIDING DIRECT ENGAGEMENT BETWEEN MUNICIPAL LEADERS AND THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY. THE SPACE COAST SYMPOSIUM, WHERE MELBOURNE BASED BUSINESSES SUCH AS NORTHROP GRUMMAN, EMBRAER, MELBOURNE, ORLANDO INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, TOMAHAWK ROBOTICS, FLORIDA TECH, JACOBS AND L3 HARRIS HAVE SERVED AS PANELISTS, HIGHLIGHTING THE DEPTH AND INFLUENCE OF MELBOURNE'S LEADERSHIP ACROSS KEY INDUSTRIES. ADDITIONALLY, OUR MONTHLY CHAMBER LUNCHEONS TYPICALLY DRAWING WELL OVER 100 BUSINESS AND COMMUNITY LEADERS, ARE CURRENTLY HELD RIGHT HERE IN MELBOURNE AT THE ASN SCHREINER CENTER, REINFORCING OUR COMMITMENT TO SERVE AND ENGAGE MELBOURNE'S EMPLOYERS DIRECTLY. WE ALSO COLLABORATE CLOSELY WITH THE MELBOURNE REGIONAL CHAMBER ON EVENTS RANGING FROM JOINT RIBBON CUTTINGS TO MAJOR REGIONAL INITIATIVES SUCH AS THE ANNUAL TALLAHASSEE BREVARD DAYS TRIP AND THE SPACE COAST POLITICAL HOBNOB. THESE PARTNERSHIPS ENSURE THAT THE SPACE COAST SPEAKS WITH ONE UNIFIED VOICE ON ISSUES IMPACTING OUR CITIES AND BUSINESSES. TOGETHER, THESE EFFORTS CREATE A POWERFUL PLATFORM FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, BUSINESS ENGAGEMENT, AND REGIONAL COLLABORATION, WHILE ENSURING MELBOURNE'S PRIORITIES AND PERSPECTIVES ARE WELL REPRESENTED IN REGIONAL CONVERSATIONS. WE DEEPLY VALUE OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, AND WE WOULD BE HONORED TO CONTINUE EXPANDING THAT PARTNERSHIP THROUGH YOUR INVOLVEMENT IN OUR SIGNATURE EVENTS AND INITIATIVES. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS, CHAIRMAN AND MR. LEWIS, I THINK WE'RE ALL VERY FAMILIAR WITH. WE'LL HAVE A CONVERSATION CHAMBER. OKAY. YEAH. REAL QUICK.

ARE YOU GOING TO BE AT THE MAYOR'S BREAKFAST IN THE FUTURE? YES. NO. OKAY. YES. YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THAT. WE SHALL SEE. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL WONDERFUL INFORMATION. I LEARNED A LOT JUST HEARING IT THIS TIME. SO NEXT WE'LL HAVE LEE BREVARD. YOU HAVE SLIDES OR WE HAVE WE HAVE THEM BEFORE US TO WE DO. GOOD EVENING MAYOR COUNCIL I'M KRISTEN BAKI. I HAVE THE PLEASURE OF SERVING BREVARD AS THEIR PRESIDENT AND CEO. AND WE ARE YOUR COMMUNITY'S RESOURCE FOR ENGAGING TALENT DEVELOPMENT TRAINING. THANK YOU.

EXPERIENTIAL LEARNING AND ACCESS TO TRANSFORMATIONAL PERSPECTIVES. FOR ALMOST 40 YEARS SINCE 1986, LEAD BREVARD HAS HELPED INDIVIDUALS AND ORGANIZATIONS MAKE AN IMPACT WITH CONFIDENCE, CONNECTION, AND COURAGE. OH, THERE WE ARE. THERE WE GO. YEAH. THANK YOU.

IN 2026, WE'LL CELEBRATE THE 40TH ANNIVERSARY OF BREVARD. AND FOR ALMOST 40 YEARS, WE'VE BEEN OFFERING AN UNMATCHED ARRAY OF LEADERSHIP, DEVELOPED AND OPTIMIZED OVER TIME TO MEET THE UNIQUE NEEDS OF THIS COMMUNITY. SEVERAL PEOPLE IN YOUR COUNCIL CITY STAFF ARE PROUD GRADUATES OF THE BREVARD PROGRAM. MORE THAN 1700 LEADERS SINCE 1986 HAVE GRADUATED FROM ONE OF OUR PROGRAMS. WE WORK TO DESIGN OPPORTUNITIES TO INSPIRE, CHALLENGE, AND CONNECT BUSINESS AND CIVIC LEADERS FROM ALL CAREER STAGES AND BACKGROUNDS. THIS SLIDE SHOWS YOU FOUR OF OUR MAIN PROGRAMS. OUR MISSION IS WORKING TOGETHER TO STRENGTHEN OUR COMMUNITY BY INSPIRING PEOPLE TO LEAD. WE'D LIKE TO BE IN OUR VISION IS TO BE THE TRUSTED LEADER, CONNECTOR, AND CATALYST THAT EMPOWERS INDIVIDUALS AND ORGANIZATIONS TO BUILD ENDURING NETWORKS, ENGAGE IN IMPACTFUL LEADERSHIP ROLES, AND ADDRESS COMMUNITY NEEDS. MEMBERSHIP IS AVAILABLE TO NON GRADUATES OF THE LEADERSHIP PROGRAMS. WE ARE EVENTS ARE PRICED ON A MEMBER AND NONMEMBER BASIS. WE'D WELCOME YOUR PARTICIPATION. I WANT TO POINT OUT A COLLABORATIVE PARTNERSHIP THAT HAPPENED AS RECENTLY AS LAST WEEK. CITY STAFF UNDER IN CONVERSATION WITH COUNCILMAN SMITH. WE WERE ABLE TO BRING A MOCK CITY COUNCIL PLANNING AND ZONING KIND OF CONVERSATION TO OUR CURRENT CLASS OF LEADERSHIP. BREVARD, THANKS TO CINDY DITTMAR, AND I SEE ROBERTS HERE AND CHERYL ENGAGED, AND IT WAS WELL RECEIVED BY OUR 55 LEADERSHIP BREVARD PARTICIPANTS. SO WE THANK YOU FOR THE TIME THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO TO SHARE WITH US AND BRING THAT KIND OF HANDS ON OPPORTUNITY TO OUR GRADUATES, OUR FOUR UNDER 40

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LEADERSHIP AWARDS IS CELEBRATING THE 22ND ANNUAL IN IN 2026. WE DID A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUNDING AND REALIZED THAT OVER 25% OVER THE LAST 22 YEARS OF THOSE RECOGNIZED AS FINAL FOUR UNDER 40 RECIPIENTS REPRESENT MELBOURNE COMMUNITY MEMBERS. THEIR BUSINESS, BASICALLY 25% OF THOSE PEOPLE CALL MELBOURNE HOME. SO WE WOULD LIKE TO INVITE YOU TO JOIN US AT ANY OF THE EVENTS. OUR WEBSITE IS WW. BREVARD. I'D BE DELIGHTED TO WELCOME ANY AND ALL OF YOU TO OUR EVENTS OR PROGRAMS. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. THANK YOU. KRISTIN.

WONDERFUL INFORMATION. THE THIRD ORGANIZATION AS WE VENTURE, KATHERINE. DOCTOR KATHERINE ROLOFF HAS BEEN HERE A FEW TIMES WITH US. SHE'S NOT ABLE TO BE HERE TONIGHT, BUT THEY DID SEND SOME INFORMATION, SOME MORE STATISTICS, WHICH I THINK ARE SOME REALLY GOOD INFORMATION ABOUT THE IMPACT TO MELBOURNE. AND AS WE KNOW, WE VENTURE IS A PART OF FLORIDA TECH, WHICH IS RIGHT HERE IN OUR BACKYARD. AND THERE ARE SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING AS FAR AS WHAT WE VENTURE. SO SORT OF TO FINISH OUT SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT I HAVE ON THE PROPOSAL BEFORE YOU ALL, YOU KNOW, JUST HEARING IT DIRECTLY FROM THE ORGANIZATIONS, WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THEM. BUT I, I THINK MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE APPROVAL OF ADDING THESE THREE ADDITIONAL ORGANIZATIONS TO OUR COUNCIL POLICY. NUMBER 36, CITY CLERK AT A I THINK THAT WAS THE FEBRUARY MEETING. I THINK, KEVIN, THAT YOU PROVIDED SOME OF THE NUMBERS BEHIND THE INFORMATION. I DON'T KNOW IF DO YOU HAVE THAT RIGHT BEFORE YOU WANT TO TOUCH ON THAT, OR MAYBE IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. IF NOT, THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. BUT WERE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. SO I GOT A QUESTION. YES, SIR. YEAH.

GO AHEAD. OKAY MR. MAYOR. OH YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. I'M ALL ABOUT ADVOCATING FOR MY CITY.

I'VE BEEN UP HERE TOO LONG AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO LEAVING. OKAY, SO. BUT HOWEVER, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHEN I SERVED WITH MAYOR GOOD BACK IN 2004 TO 2012, AFTER THE BUDGET SESSION, WE WOULD ALWAYS HE WOULD ALWAYS LOOK AT US AND WE COME TO THE COUNCIL. WE'RE LOOKING FOR MORE MONEY TO DO THIS OR DO THAT. SO I GOT TWO QUESTIONS. WHAT IS THE TOTAL TO INCLUDE ALL THESE THREE ORGANIZATIONS AND WHERE DOES THE MONEY COME FROM. SO KEVIN, THAT IS THE QUESTION I DON'T KNOW. IT'S HARD TO COME UP WITH A TOTAL SINCE IT WOULD DEPEND ON HOW MANY COUNCIL MEMBERS ATTEND EVENTS BASED ON WHAT WE DO WITH MELBOURNE, WITH MELBOURNE CHAMBER. I CAN TELL YOU THAT IN THE FISCAL YEAR 26 BUDGET, THE LINE ITEM IS ABOUT $7,800. AND WE WE REACHED THAT ABOUT EVERY YEAR. OKAY. WITH THE CURRENT ORGANIZATIONS ON THERE. SO IF YOU DOUBLE THAT FOR THREE ADDITIONAL ORGANIZATIONS, THAT COULD BE THAT WOULD BE A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF MONEY. ANOTHER 7000, $810,000 IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. IF WE HAVE THREE ORGANIZATIONS NOW AND YOU HAD THREE MORE AND YOU ATTEND RELATIVELY THE SAME NUMBER OF EVENTS THAT WOULD THAT WOULD TRACK, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. NOW, I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE $10,000 IN MY BACK POCKET, YOU KNOW, BUT MAYBE ROSS CAN TELL US WHERE IT COULD COME FROM BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY COME THROUGH BUDGET. AGAIN. I SAY I ADVOCATE FOR MELBOURNE CROSS BORDER AND I AND I COMPLIMENT YOU ON THIS PRESENTATION, BUT I REALLY CONCERNED MYSELF WITH WHERE THE MONEY IS COMING FROM AND HOW WE PAY FOR IT. NOW AS IT COMES TO COUNCIL BUDGET, DOES IT COME OUT OF OF COURSE, WE CUT THAT COUNCIL BUDGET BY FIVE GRAND THIS YEAR, RIGHT? OKAY. SO WE'RE CUTTING WE'RE WE'RE CUTTING OUR FUNDING TO WHAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO US AS COUNCIL MEMBERS IN OUR COUNCIL BUDGET. SO WHERE IS THE ADDITIONAL $10,000 GOING TO COME FROM. SO WHEN WE CUT THE COUNCIL BUDGET, I THOUGHT THAT WAS JUST FOR THAT PARTICULAR YEAR. WAS THAT LIKE A TOTAL THIS COMING YEAR? YES. YEAH. OKAY. THIS CURRENT YEAR, THAT'S THE ONLY QUESTION I GOT FOR YOU, COUNCILMAN SMITH. BUT I'M WILLING TO GO FORWARD. LIKE I SAID, I'LL ADVOCATE FOR FOR MELBOURNE ALL DAY LONG. I HAVE A PROBLEM. OKAY. GO AHEAD MA'AM. OKAY. I HAVE A PROBLEM.

WE ARE MELBOURNE. WHY ARE WE JOINING PALM BAY? WE HAVE DIFFERENT. MELBOURNE IS A VERY DIFFERENT ECONOMIC SITUATION. WE'RE MORE. PALM BAY TO ME IS A BEDROOM COMMUNITY, SMALLER BUSINESSES. WE'RE HERE. WE HAVE MORE MANUFACTURING. I MEAN, I KNOW IN IN PALM BAY YOU HAVE HARRIS. WELL, YOU DON'T HAVE THEIR HARRIS HEADQUARTERS, BUT YOU HAVE A A LARGE BUSINESS, A LARGE FACILITY THERE. IN FACT, THAT'S ONLY ONE. SO BUT WE'RE MELBOURNE, WE'RE NOT PALM BAY.

AND I HAVE A HARD TIME BEING THE PALM PART OF PALM BAY CITY, NOT CITY COUNCIL, CHAMBER OF

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COMMERCE. BECAUSE WE ARE MELBOURNE. WE'RE NOT PALM BAY, WE DON'T. AND HOW MANY ORGANIZATIONS ARE WE GOING TO BE IN AND HOW, AS PEOPLE THAT HAVE TO WORK, I KNOW COUNCIL MEMBER KENNEDY WORKS, I KNOW MAYOR WORKS. I KNOW MR. LARUSSO WORKS. WE CAN'T MAKE ALL THESE MEETINGS WITH ALL THESE DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS. WE HAVE A HARD TIME MAKING THE MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE. WE HAVE WITH THE THREE ORGANIZATIONS WE HAVE NOW. AND YOU'RE GOING TO ADD THREE MORE. HOW IS EVERYBODY? I MEAN, ARE WE REALLY GOING TO BE UTILIZING THESE ORGANIZATIONS? MAYOR, ARE YOU DONE? SURE. OKAY. SO I HAVE HIT AND MISS, PROBABLY GONE TO MOST OF THESE EVENTS AS WELL WITH MY DAY JOB AS WELL AS WITH THE CITY, BECAUSE WE AT MY DAY JOB OF OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS, WE DO HIT ALL OF THEM. BUT THE ONE THING THAT I HEARD TONIGHT WAS SOMETHING THAT I DIDN'T REMEMBER IN THAT MELBOURNE CHANGE OF THE PALM BAY CHAMBER.

A LOT OF OUR BUSINESSES IN MELBOURNE ARE PART OF THE PALM BAY CHAMBER, SO I DO THINK THAT THERE'S A CAUSE TO ADD THEM. BUT TO MR. LARUSSO'S POINT, WE TOOK THE MONEY OUT. SO THEN WHERE ARE WE GOING TO PUT IT IN? AND I'M OPEN FOR SUGGESTIONS AND OPEN FOR, YOU KNOW, COMMENTS OF WHERE THAT MONEY MIGHT COME FROM, MAYBE FROM STAFF AS WELL. BUT I DO THINK IT'S VALID AND IT DOES, I THINK I DON'T THINK EVERYBODY NEEDS TO GO TO EVERYTHING. THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF SENDING ONE PERSON OR TWO PEOPLE AND THEN COMING BACK AND PRESENTING IT FOR THE GOOD OF THE GROUP AND WHAT THEY'VE LEARNED AND WHAT INFORMATION THEY CAN BRING BACK. BUT WHERE'S THE MONEY COMING FROM? THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY QUESTION. YEAH, YEAH. AS WELL AS MR. RUSSO. OKAY. REAL QUICK, VICE MAYOR. GOOD. SO MY $0.02 IS THIS ONE ONE TO PIGGYBACK OFF OF MISS KENNEDY'S POINT, ANOTHER THING THAT I HEARD ABOUT THE PALM BAY CHAMBER WAS A LOT OF THEIR MEETINGS OCCUR IN MELBOURNE, AND I GOT A PRIME EXAMPLE. AROUND THE CORNER FROM MY HOUSE IS A LAUNCH CREDIT UNION. AND THE MULTICULTURAL COMMITTEE, YOUR GROUP, I GET YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. THEY'VE MET AT THAT THAT THAT BANK. AND SO THEY DO MEET IN MELBOURNE. SO I DO NOT WANT TO DISCOUNT ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM THAT THEY'RE NOT BRINGING BUSINESS OR SUPPORTING BUSINESS TO THE CITY OF MELBOURNE. SO BUT THAT BEING SAID, TO MISS KENNEDY'S POINT, I WOULD MAYBE BE OPEN TO ONE LIMITING IT INSTEAD OF IT BEING A BROAD BASE OF SEVERAL DIFFERENT GROUPS. WE APPROACH THIS IN A FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR. LIKE IF YOU MADE A VOTE TODAY THAT WE WERE GOING TO CONSIDER JOINING ONE, 2 OR 3 OF THEM, IT WOULD BE, CAN WE VOTE TO JOIN THEM ON IN OCTOBER OF NEXT YEAR? AND WE'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS, AND THE BUDGET PROCESS WOULD HAVE TO ALLOCATE IT. BUT AS FAR AS ADDING IT TO THIS BUDGET, I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THAT. I, I MEAN, AND THAT'S REALLY JUST A MINIMAL THING. AND I'M GOING TO TELL YOU AND YOU'VE SEEN ME VOTE SEVERAL, SEVERAL TIMES ON IT. I MEAN, I PAID MY OWN WAY THROUGH BREVARD. I GO AND PAY FOR THESE EVENTS. WE GET AN ALLOTMENT FROM THE FROM THE CITY. THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE GET PAID TO DO THESE THINGS. SO I'M NOT NECESSARILY A BIG FAN OF USING IT FOR THOSE ENDEAVORS. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A BROADER DISCUSSION ABOUT PUTTING IN THE BUDGET NEXT YEAR AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, I'M OPEN TO THAT.

BUT THAT'S A NEXT YEAR BUDGET ITEM. I WOULD NOT DO IT THIS YEAR. SO, SO GOOD DISCUSSION.

SO, SO MAYOR, IF IF I COULD GET MAYBE CONSENSUS, MAYBE I COULD SPEND A LITTLE. SO TONIGHT'S MEETING, IT'S SORT OF BEEN A WE'VE BEEN BUILDING UP TO THIS. RIGHT. SO SO FIRST OFF THANK YOU TO THE NONPROFITS FOR BEING HERE. AND THEY'VE BEEN HERE SEVERAL TIMES. AND I THINK WE'VE ALL GLEANED INFORMATION AND CLARIFIED A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT IT IS THAT THEY DO AND THE VALUE THAT THEY BRING NOT ONLY TO THE CITY OF MELBOURNE AND TO US INDIVIDUALLY AND COLLECTIVELY. BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO POTENTIALLY DO IS MAYBE I CAN SPEND A LITTLE TIME WITH STAFF AND SEE IF $15,000 COULD BE IDENTIFIED AND AND IF THAT IS A WORTHWHILE ENDEAVOR AND EXERCISE, THEN MAYBE WE CAN DECIDE FROM THERE. AND THEN I HEAR THE VICE MAYOR'S POINT ABOUT MAYBE NEXT FISCAL YEAR, BECAUSE THIS CAME UP BEFORE THE BUDGET AND I WAS SUPPOSED TO BRING IT UP, BUT THEN IT JUST. YEAH. SO IF, IF WOULD THAT BE AMENABLE IF I GO AND WORK WITH STAFF AND SEE IF WE CAN FIND $15,000 CONSENSUS FOR THAT TOO.

OKAY. QUICK QUESTION I HAVE IS THIS IS THE CITY OF PALM BAY, A MEMBER OF OUR MELBOURNE CHAMBER.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD FIND OUT. YES THEY ARE. YEAH. SO SO THINK ABOUT THAT. THE CITY OF PALM BAY IS A MEMBER OF THE MELBOURNE CHAMBER. JUST A THOUGHT. AND DOESN'T REALLY DARE TO SWAY YOU. BUT GOOD. MISS LAMB, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY. ARE YOU LOOKING FOR $15,000 MORE OR A TOTAL OF 15,000? IT SOUNDS LIKE TO ME IT WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY A TOTAL OF 15,000. OKAY. YEAH. WHICH WOULD COVER THE AND AND AND THE

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POINT ABOUT THE SIX ORGANIZATIONS. SO EDC, THERE'S REALLY NOT A BUDGETARY AMOUNT THAT WE SPEND FOR EDC. SO SOME OF THIS IS REALLY SORT OF NOTIONAL SUPPORT OF PARTNERSHIP.

AND SO I THINK JUST BY HAVING ORGANIZATIONS HERE TONIGHT AND THEY GO OUT AND SAY, HEY, NOW THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, WE'RE ABLE TO WE HAVE A BETTER RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND THE BUSINESSES THAT THEY HEAR THAT THAT'S A LOT OF THIS IS WHAT THAT'S ABOUT, THAT PUBLIC GOOD. RIGHT. SO, YOU KNOW, COLLABORATION EFFORTS, I MEAN THERE'S A LOT TO SAY ABOUT THAT. SO YEAH. YEAH. MA'AM, PLEASE. JUST THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX TOO. AND MAYBE PART OF WHAT YOU LOOK FOR IS HOW MUCH IS IT FOR US TO GO AS MEMBERS AS OPPOSED TO NONMEMBERS. SO MAYBE JUST GOING FOR THE MEMBERSHIP AS OPPOSED TO EVERY SINGLE MEETING TO MAKE IT CHEAPER TO GO TO THE MEETING? THAT'S ANOTHER WAY TO KIND OF LOOK AT IT AS WELL AND SEE HOW MUCH WE'VE ALREADY SPENT ON TRAVEL SO FAR, IF THERE'S GOING TO BE ANY OVERAGES AND, AND JUST MONITOR THE BUDGET THAT WAY, THAT SOUNDS FAIR TO ME. SO I WANT TO BE CLEAR, JULIE, IS THAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE JOINED THE YOU'RE PROPOSING THAT WE JOIN THE ORGANIZATIONS, BUT WE PAY FOR THE INDIVIDUAL TIMES THAT WE GO THERE OUT OF OUR OWN POCKET WITH THE MONEY THAT MR. NEWMAN HAS. MEMBERSHIP IS CHEAPER MENTIONED BEFORE.

THAT'S IN OUR PACKAGE AS WELL TOO. OKAY. SO TO MAKE IT CHEAPER, I'M JUST THROWING.

YEAH, I THINK THAT I THINK THE ONLY ONE THAT WE CAN JOIN OTHER TWO ARE NOT JOINABLE. THEY ONLY HAVE THEIR INDIVIDUAL EVENTS. THEY'RE NOT JOINABLE ORGANIZATIONS. OKAY. WELL, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU WORK WITH STAFF, AND I THINK THERE'S A CONTINGENCY FUND THAT WILL IT'S HOVERING MAYBE A LITTLE UNDER $100,000 RIGHT NOW. BUT THOSE ARE HARD TIMES WHEN WE PULL INTO THAT. RIGHT. SO LOOK AT OKAY SHARP PENCIL. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU ALL. GOOD DISCUSSION I THINK WE LEARNED A LOT I WISH WE ADVENTURE WAS HERE. THEY WOULD PROVIDE EVEN MORE ADDITIONAL DETAILS. SO MR. SMITH, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT FORWARD BECAUSE I THINK WE ALL GO TO THE EVENTS AND THEY BRING INCREDIBLE VALUE TO OUR COMMUNITY. AND, AND, YOU KNOW, CAN'T SAY ENOUGH ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE RELATIONSHIP WE HAVE WITH THE CHAMBERS AND WHAT THEY DO WHEN IT COMES TO THE SMALL BUSINESSES. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MAYOR. YEAH. THE MAYOR'S BREAKFAST IS A GREAT EXAMPLE. WE DO THAT. HAVE A GOOD TIME EVERY YEAR. YEAH. YES WE DO.

[C.12. Ordinance No. 2025-52, El Car Wash: (First Reading/Public Hearing) An ordinance granting a conditional use (CU2025-0002) to allow a car wash establishment in a C-2 (General Commercial) zoning district with site plan approval (PLAN2025-0006) on an overall 2.54±-acre property located on the east side of North Wickham Road, north of Sarno Road, and south of West Eau Gallie Boulevard. (Owner - 925 WICKHAM LLC) (Applicant/Representative - Jordan Draper, P.E.) (P&Z Board - 11/6/2025)]

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU ALL. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 12. THIS IS OKAY. THIS IS GOING TO BE ORDINANCE 20 2552. MR. CONLEY THANK YOU MAYOR. AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA AMENDING THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP AS IT RELATES TO GENERAL ZONING ORDINANCE NUMBER 2005. DASH 120 BY GRANTING A CONDITIONAL USE TO ALLOW FOR A FREESTANDING CAR WASH ESTABLISHMENT ON A 2.54 PLUS OR MINUS ACRE PROPERTY. ZONED C-2 GENERAL COMMERCIAL, LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF WICKHAM ROAD, NORTH OF SARNO ROAD AND SOUTH OF EAU GALLIE BOULEVARD. 925 NORTH WICKHAM ROAD, PROVIDING FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL.

PROVIDING FOR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. PROVIDING THAT THE CONDITIONAL USE GRANTED HEREIN MAY BE REVOKED BY CITY COUNCIL IF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL ARE NOT MET, PROVIDING THAT THE PROPERTY SHALL BE DESIGNATED ON THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP BY THE SYMBOL C, C-2, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND PROVIDING AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE. THANK YOU. REPORT ON THIS IS MISS CINDY DITTMER. YES. GOOD EVENING. THIS IS THE FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE GRANTING A CONDITIONAL USE FOR A CAR WASH, WITH SITE PLAN APPROVAL ON A 2.54 ACRE PROPERTY ZONED C-2.

THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF NORTH WICKHAM ROAD, NORTH OF SARNO ROAD, AND SOUTH OF EAU GALLIE BOULEVARD. THE PROPERTY IS A GENERAL COMMERCIAL FUTURE LAND USE AND IS LOCATED IN COUNCIL DISTRICT FIVE. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING WHAT IS CURRENTLY A VERIZON RETAIL STORE THAT'S ON THE SITE, PROPOSING DEMOLISHING THAT AND BUILDING BACK APPROXIMATELY A 3700 SQUARE FOOT CAR WASH. IT'LL BE AN AUTOMATIC CAR WASH WITH THREE DRIVE UP BAYS, AND ALSO WILL INCLUDE ACCESSORY VACUUM STATIONS. THE CAR WASH IS PROPOSED TO BE OPEN SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, AND WILL OPERATE FROM 7 A.M. TO 9 P.M. AND THEY TYPICALLY HAVE 3 TO 5 EMPLOYEES THAT ARE ON SITE ASSISTING THEIR PATRONS. THE CAR WASH DOES REQUIRE CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL. THAT'S WHY IT'S BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING IN THE C-2 ZONING. THE CITY CODE DOES CONTAIN SPECIFIC USE STANDARDS FOR CAR WASHES. THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN DOES MEET ALL OF THOSE USE STANDARDS. ADDITIONALLY, DURING THE REVIEW, THE NOISE STUDY DID CONFIRM THAT IT DOES MEET THE NOISE ALLOWANCES OF BEING UNDER 60 DECIBEL DECIBEL LEVELS OF SOUND AT THE PROPERTY LINES. HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT IS ALSO INSTALLING TWO ADDITIONAL WING WALLS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SITE PLAN HERE. THE BUILDING IS

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THERE IN RED AND THEN THE LITTLE PURPLE ADDITIONAL WALLS AT THE ENTRANCE AND EXIT OF THE CAR WASH TO CONTINUE TO ATTENUATE ANY OF THE NOISE THAT COMES OUT OF THE FACILITY FROM THOSE TWO SIDES. ADDITIONALLY, STAFF HAS REQUIRED THE. VACUUM PRODUCERS THAT PRODUCE ALL THE NOISE FOR THE VACUUM TO ALSO HAVE SEVEN FOOT EIGHT INCH WALLS. CONCRETE WALLS AROUND THOSE ON THREE SIDES TO ALSO CONTAIN THE NOISE COMING FROM THOSE VACUUM PRODUCERS. AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, THE APPLICANT WILL ALSO PROVIDE AIR GATES AND SOUND ABSORBING PANELS WITHIN THE CAR WASH BUILDING. AND THAT'S TYPICAL OF WHAT WE SEE THESE CAR WASH FACILITIES, AGAIN, TO TRY TO ABSORB THE SOUND COMING OUT OF THEM. THE SURROUNDING AREA IS PRIMARILY DEVELOPED FOR COMMERCIAL USES. THERE ARE MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES LOCATED WITHIN THE 500 FOOT AREA TO THE NORTH, AND THERE ARE NO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES WITHIN THAT 500 FOOT AREA. THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST, AND STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 20 2552 WITH PLAN 2025 0006, BASED UPON THE FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS CONTAINED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEMORANDUM. OKAY. THANK YOU, MISS DITTMAR. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS DITTMAR? I HAVE A QUESTION, MA'AM, BECAUSE I KNOW THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, THE EASEMENT GOING ON TO SARNO ROAD, THE THE EXTENT THE THE HOW DO YOU PUT THIS THE EXTENSION THAT GOES INTO. YEAH, IT GOES INTO THEY CAN THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO ONTO WICKHAM ROAD. THEY CAN GO ON TO SARNO ROAD. RIGHT. IT'LL HAVE ACCESS TO BOTH. IT'S BEHIND. YEAH. YEAH OKAY. DOES I MEAN CHILI'S, WILL THAT STILL HAVE THE SAME. YES. A SHARED ACCESS. THAT ACCESS IS THE SARNO AND THE O'GALLEY OR THE WICKHAM ROAD DRIVEWAYS. I DIDN'T WANT IT. SO THAT CHILI WAS KNOCKED OFF. NO. OKAY. WON'T CHANGE THAT. ACCESS TO CHILI'S. THAT'S. THAT'S WHAT I NEEDED TO KNOW.

MISS KENNEDY, PLEASE, JUST A WEIRD COMMENT QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THE ANSWER TO IT, SO I DON'T MEAN TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF CAR WASHES GOING UP. OH MY GOD, A LOT OF DIFFERENT PLACES. HAVE ANY OF THE CAR WASHES THAT HAVE GONE UP, GONE UNDER, CLOSED DOWN? YOU MAY NOT HAVE THAT ANSWER. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THAT ANY HAVE GONE ANY NEWER ONES THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN THE LAST 4 OR 5 YEARS HAVE GONE DOWN, YOU KNOW, GONE UNDER AND BUSINESS. THERE HAS BEEN A COUPLE THAT COUNCIL'S APPROVED THAT HAVEN'T ACTUALLY OCCURRED YET, PARTICULARLY I THINK THERE WAS ONE AT DAIRY AND EBER, AND THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL ONE UP ON NORTH WICKHAM ROAD THAT HAVEN'T COME OUT OF THE GROUND YET. SO I AGREE THERE ARE A LOT OF CAR WASHES. THEY DO CONTINUE TO COME IN AND PUT IN APPLICATIONS. THEY KEEP MAKING MONEY BY ALL MEANS. BUT IT JUST THERE'S THERE'S GOING TO BE LIKE THE CVS WALGREENS FOR CAR WASHES.

YEAH. RIGHT. NEXT HUGE. BUT YES MISS LAMB I JUST WANTED TO ASK MISS DITTMER IF SHE COULD CLARIFY THE ONE ACROSS THE STREET AND SLIGHTLY NORTH OF HERE, THE THAT CAR WASH IS, IS GOING TO TURN INTO A RESTAURANT, ISN'T IT? RIGHT. SO THERE'S A SORT OF SELF-SERVE CAR WASH TO THE NORTH NORTHWEST THERE, AND THAT WE HAVE UNDER REVIEW A DUTCH BROTHERS COFFEE STORE DRIVE THROUGH THAT'S PROPOSED ON THAT SITE. SO THAT IS GOING TO GO AWAY. SO THAT OLDER STYLE OF SOME OF THOSE, I HAVE SEEN SOME OF THOSE DISAPPEARING. YEAH. THERE'S ONE ON AURORA.

YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. GOOD TO. SO, SO THERE ARE A LOT OF LOT OF CAR WASHES AND A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS RELATED TO THAT. DON'T REALLY BRING IN A LOT OF EMPLOYEES. I MEAN SO AND I DON'T JUST REALLY A POINT I NOTICED THAT WE REALLY SEE ABOUT THAT. AND THEN ANOTHER FOLLOW UP QUESTION, IF IT WAS TO GO UNDER, HOW HARD IS IT TO CONVERT A CAR WASH TO SOMETHING ELSE? IS THAT PRETTY DIFFICULT? I WOULD THINK A REUSE OF A CAR WASH BUILDING WOULD BE PRETTY DIFFICULT BECAUSE OF WATER INFRASTRUCTURE. CORRECT? RIGHT, RIGHT. IT IS. IT IS A CONDITIONAL USE. IT IS, YOU KNOW, IT IS BASED ON, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION OF CITY CODE REQUIREMENTS AND FINDINGS, YOU KNOW, TO ALLOW A CAR WASH IN THESE ZONING DISTRICTS. SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, PART OF WHAT WE'RE HERE, YOU KNOW, TO PRESENT TO YOU, WE DO HAVE

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FINDINGS WITHIN THE STAFF REPORT IN FAVOR OF THOSE. THOSE ARE FINDINGS THAT WE'VE PRESENTED, YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST, IF THERE'S OTHER FACTORS THAT FALL WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE ZONING CODE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE STAFF TO LOOK AT IN THAT REALM, WE, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD NEED THAT DIRECTION TO TO LOOK AT THOSE. WHAT ARE SOME OF THOSE FINDINGS, MAYOR, IS THE COMPANY HERE TONIGHT? I BELIEVE THEY ARE. YEAH. WE DO HAVE A COUPLE SPEAKER CARDS. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. BECAUSE I WOULD JUST LIKE TO HEAR FROM THEM. TO SEE MY THING IS WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT ON SARNO, IF YOU LOOK. GO WHERE THE THE RED LINE IS ON SARNO, A LITTLE BIT OLDER, MAYBE. TWO, THREE BOXES OVER. THERE'S ALREADY CAR WASH OVER THERE. SO WE'RE PUTTING CAR WASHES ON TOP OF CAR WASHES. AND I DO LIKE I DID READ SOME OF YOU. I DIDN'T READ EVERYTHING ON YOUR THING. I KNOW THEY YOU THEY USE PEOPLE THAT ARE ARTISTIC. YOU DO ARTISTIC. AND PEOPLE WITH DOWN SYNDROME SOME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT. YOU USE MORE SPECIAL NEED. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE RIGHT WORD. NEURODIVERSE. THAT WAS IT. OKAY.

NEURODIVERSE PEOPLE THAT WERE READING THAT, THAT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU DO THAT FROM ALL YOUR ORGANIZATIONS. I MEAN, NOT ALL YOUR ORGANIZATIONS, ALL YOUR CAR WASHES OR NOT. ARE YOU JUST GOING TO BE DOING THIS ONE? BUT WE ARE PUTTING THAT CAR. I MEAN, I SEE GOOD AND BAD, BUT WE'RE PUTTING WE'RE SO CLOSE. WE'RE NOT EVEN WITHIN A MILE. WE'VE GOT TWO CAR WASHES RIGHT THERE.

AND THEN IF WE'RE ALREADY LOSING THE ONE UP JUST NORTH OF IT, PROBABLY ANOTHER QUARTER MILE UP THERE, ARE WE PUTTING SO MANY CAR WASHES THAT ONE'S HAVING GOING AWAY IN THAT AREA WITH A QUARTER MILE. AND WE'RE PUTTING ANOTHER ONE IN THERE. SO I LIKE TO SAY WE'RE NOT PUTTING IT IN THERE THAT THAT'S NOT OUR CAR WASH. YEAH. BUT I MEAN WE'RE ALLOWING WE'RE ALLOWING THAT CAR WASH TO GO IN THERE. AND IF IT'S GOING TO BE CAR WASH, CAR WASH, CAR WASH, BUT WE DON'T CONTROL THE MARKETPLACE, I CAPITALISM I UNDERSTAND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WE HAVE LIKE SHE SAID, WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THAT IN THAT IT'S CONDITIONAL USE. SO THAT'S IF I CAN IF I CAN PIGGYBACK ON THAT A LITTLE BIT, IT WOULD, IT WOULD STILL BE A DETERMINATION THAT A PARTICULAR PROJECT DIDN'T MEET THE PARTICULAR STANDARDS FOR CONDITIONAL USES WITHIN CODE. RIGHT. IT'S NOT A IT'S NOT A BLANK CHECK TO SAY NO. AND SO IF IF COUNCIL HAS CONCERNS OR THE THINGS, THEN CINDY AND I WOULD PROBABLY WANT TO TALK YOU THROUGH THE PARAMETERS FOR WHAT HOW COUNCIL CONSIDERS CONDITIONAL USES. YOU KNOW AND THAT INFORMATION IS IN THE STAFF MEMO AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD REPORT. OR YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR FINDINGS THAT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IS UNLIKELY TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE AREA OR, YOU KNOW, ISN'T MEETING PARTICULAR HEALTH, SAFETY, WELFARE, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERATIONS, SO ON AND SO FORTH, THEN THAT'S A CONVERSATION THAT WE CAN HAVE.

BUT JUST SAYING, I THINK THERE ARE TOO MANY CAR WASHES IN THE AREA. YEAH. THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE MY RECOMMENDED FINDING. IF THERE'S A DESIRE TO, YOU KNOW, CONSIDER SOMETHING OTHER THAN THE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL BY PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD. OKAY. REAL QUICK, MISS KENNEDY. FIRST, JUST TO REITERATE WHAT I SAID. YEAH, THERE ARE A LOT OF CAR WASHES, BUT THEY ALL SEEM TO WORK AND THEY ALL SEEM TO BE MAKING MONEY BECAUSE THEY KEEP POPPING UP. AND THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO TALK TO THE COMPANY TO SEE WHAT THEIR NUMBERS ARE LIKE. WHAT IS THEIR RATIONALE FOR WANTING TO PUT A CAR WASH HERE RIGHT NEXT TO ANOTHER ONE? AND IT'S JUST MY CURIOSITY, OKAY. AND VICE MAYOR, AND THIS IS JUST A QUESTION FOR ADAM. I PERSONALLY JUST KIND OF TAKING A LOOK AT THE PROJECT. I'M NOT QUITE SURE IT FITS WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OF THE AREA. IS THAT AN ACCEPTABLE REASON THAT I COULD TALK TO YOU GUYS OFFLINE ABOUT THAT? YOU KNOW, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IT FITS WITHIN YOUR MENTIONING, PLANNING AND ALL THAT STUFF. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WITH COMPREHENSIVE PLAN I COULD DO THAT AS WELL. YES, THAT'S IN FACT THE FIRST ITEM OF CONSIDERATION WITHIN THE REVIEW CRITERIA IS THAT THE CONDITIONAL USE NEEDS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE THE STANDARDS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THIS PARTICULAR SITE. RIGHT? NO, I GET THAT AND IT'S JUST OPINION OF MINE. THAT'S WHY I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW IT WAS FINE THERE.

THANK YOU. OKAY. GOOD SIR. THANK YOU. SO IN RESPECT TO CAR WASHES WE DENIED I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE ON COUNCIL OR YOU WERE ON COUNCIL AT THE TIME, BUT WHERE? NEXT TO WAWA ON US

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ONE. WE WENT THROUGH A WHOLE SERIES OF OF CONVERSATIONS AND ARGUMENTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

AND TO ADAM'S POINT IS THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO DENY, WE HAVE TO DENY BASED ON COMPATIBILITY TO THE COMMUNITY SAFETY ISSUES WITH THAT ONE. IT WAS CAR STACKING COMING OUT OF WAWA, COMING OUT OF OUT OF THE CAR WASH AND COMPATIBILITY TO THE TO THE RIVER VIEW BEHIND IT, THE HISTORICAL HOMES. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO GO DOWN A DENIAL ROAD, JUST LIKE ADAM HAS SAID, THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE TO BE. WE JUST CAN'T, LIKE YOU SAID, JUST CAN'T SAY I DON'T LIKE IT. I DON'T WANT IT ANYMORE BECAUSE THEY WILL COME BACK AFTER US. AND THEN THERE YOU GO. AND IT'S HAPPENED BEFORE. MAYOR. LAST QUESTION. GO AHEAD SIR. SO CINDY HAS THERE PRIOR TO THIS PROPOSAL, HAS THERE BEEN ANY OTHER PROPOSALS FOR THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY OR WHAT HAPPENED TO THE VERIZON STORE? WELL, THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY WAS MOST RECENTLY THE VERIZON STORE. AND I THINK BEFORE THAT IT WAS A WHATABURGER. A WHATABURGER. YEAH. YEAH. IT'S BEEN IT'S CHANGED A LOT. AND IT WENT OUT. I COULDN'T SPEAK TO WHY THOSE, THOSE BUSINESSES HAVEN'T, YOU KNOW, CONTINUED AND SUCCEEDED. IT'S A HARD CORNER TO GET IN AND OUT. YEAH. GO AHEAD. ONE MORE QUESTION. DO THE APPLICANTS OWN THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY OR IS IT GOING TO BE CONVERTED OVER TO THEM. THEY'LL CLOSE ON THE PROPERTY IF THIS GOES THROUGH IT GETS APPROVAL FOR IT. I AM NOT AWARE OF THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. LET ME SEE. WE PROBABLY NEED TO. THE APPLICANT IS HERE SO THEY WILL REAL QUICK. SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE OVER TO. ACTUALLY BEFORE WE START THIS IS A QUASI JUDICIAL ITEM. ANY DISCLOSURES? NOPE I NOPE NO DISCLOSURES.

PUBLIC HEARING. SO FIRST IS ALEJANDRO. FOLLOW. AND JORDAN DID Y'ALL WANT TO COME UP TOGETHER. THAT'S FINE OKAY. GOOD EVENING ALEJANDRO QUINTANA, EL CARWASH DIRECTOR DEVELOPMENT I HAVE OUR ENGINEER OF RECORD, JORDAN DRAPER FROM KIMLEY-HORN BELIEVE. CAN YOU REPEAT YOUR QUESTION? I WAS JUST SORRY. I WAS JUST WONDERING. THERE IS ANOTHER CAR WASH TO MISS HANLEY'S POINT. LIKE, RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER. AND THERE ARE A LOT OF CAR WASHES IN THE AREA. I KNOW YOU'RE PROBABLY HAVE DONE A STUDY OF SOME SORT TO SEE THE VIABILITY OF A CAR WASH IN THE AREA, AND I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHAT THE OUTCOME OF THAT WAS. YEAH. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN OUR OUR SECOND PHASE OF OUR COMPANY'S GROWTH. WE'RE CURRENTLY OPERATING AT 87 STORES, UPWARDS OF 450,000 MEMBERS BETWEEN OUR STORES. WE'RE IN TWO DIFFERENT MARKETS, FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN. WE'RE EXPANDING INTO NEW JERSEY, PHILADELPHIA AND CHICAGO MARKETS IN 2026 AND 2027. AS WE CONTINUE TO ESSENTIALLY BUILD OUT OUR BUSINESS AND DO INFILL STORES. SO WE REALLY CAME IN AND PLANTED OUR FIRST STORES. WE HAVE OUR NEW HAVEN LOCATION, WE HAVE OUR PALM BAY LOCATION. SO RIGHT NOW, NOW WE'RE DOING THE SECONDARY LOCATIONS WHERE WE'RE ALSO ALMOST SUPPORT SITES. SO WE'RE FINDING THAT CUSTOMER TRENDS ARE IN THIS AREA AND WE'RE KIND OF COMING IN TO FILL A GAP. SO YES, WE KNOW THAT THERE'S NUMEROUS BRANDS, BUT YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE MCDONALD'S AND BURGER KING AND WENDY'S, THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER CONCURRENTLY. AND I THINK THAT WE'RE SPACED OUT ENOUGH. WE'VE LOOKED AT THE PLACER DATA. WE'VE LOOKED AT ALL SORTS OF DATA THAT WE HAVE INTERNALLY, THAT WE TRACK THESE THINGS. AND WE'VE DECIDED THAT THIS IS A FEASIBLE LOCATION AND THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO WE'RE NOT A FLY BY THE SEAT OF OUR PANTS AND FLY BY THE NIGHT.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO DISAPPEAR. WE'RE HERE THAT WE HAVE ALL THE WAY THAT WE'RE BUILDING OUT PIPELINES TO 2028, 2029. SO IT'S GOING TO BE A CONTINUED GROWTH. AND THAT'S OUR BUSINESS MODEL. THANK YOU. YEP. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS. WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE COST. THE RANGE OF COST FOR THE CAR WASH. THERE'S NUMEROUS FACTORS. ARE YOU ASKING ABOUT OUR BUILDING COST OR ARE YOU ASKING ABOUT. WELL YOU SAID MCDONALD'S AND BURGER KING I'M JUST WONDERING THERE LIKE AN EXTRA VALUE MEAL FOR CAR WASHES OR SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW, I MEAN, WE ARE MEMBERSHIP BASED, I THINK UPWARDS OF PROBABLY APPROXIMATELY 75 TO 85% OF OUR CUSTOMERS ARE ON THAT MEMBERSHIP MODEL. SO JUST LIKE A GYM MEMBERSHIP, YOU CHOOSE, YOU KNOW, DO YOU WANT HIGH, MEDIUM OR LOW? MEDIUM HIGH. AND THEN FROM THERE, YOUR MEMBERSHIP THEN IS INTERCONNECTED BETWEEN ALL OF OUR NETWORKS. SO, YOU KNOW, YEAH, YOU MAY PASS PALM BAY, YOU KNOW, ON YOUR WAY OR YOU'RE UP NEW HAVEN AND YOUR KID HAS A SOCCER GAME OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND YOU'RE ON THE WAY HOME. YOU WANT TO CLEAN THE CAR, YOU CAN GO IN THERE. YOU'RE NOT ONLY HAVE YOU'RE RESTRICTED TO JUST THAT ONE LOCATION, YOU HAVE NOW 87 LOCATIONS THAT YOU, YOUR CAR IS VIABLE AT. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS? DO YOU DO YOU OWN THE PROPERTY NOW OR IS IT AT THIS MOMENT WE ARE IN OUR INSPECTION OR OUR PERMITTING PERIOD OF OUR CONTRACT. SO WE'RE STILL NOT OWNERS OF THE CONTRACT, BUT WE HAVE THE RIGHT

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CONTRACT ON IT. YEAH, WE HAVE A CONTRACT ON IT. HOW LONG DO THE INSPECTION PERIOD. BALLPARK.

BALLPARK? I BELIEVE WE HAVE. I THINK IT'S RIGHT AROUND TILL JANUARY 26TH. OKAY. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. DID YOU ALSO WANT TO SPEAK ALSO, SIR.

OR DO YOU JUST ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OKAY. QUESTIONS OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING THEN WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL. MAYOR. GOOD. MA'AM. APPROVAL ORDINANCE 20 2552 WITH THE PLAN 25 2020 5-006. BASED UPON THE FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS CONTAINED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEMORANDUM. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NAY. NAY. LET'S ACTUALLY LET'S GO DO A ROLL CALL. VOTE, PLEASE. COUNCIL MEMBER. BASSETT. COUNCIL MEMBER. HANLEY. COUNCILMEMBER. KENNEDY. COUNCILMEMBER. SMITH.

[C.13. Ordinance No. 2025-53 and Ordinance No. 2025-54, Lansing RV Storage: (First Reading/Public Hearing) Ordinances providing for a Comprehensive Plan amendment and zoning designation, with site plan approval for an outdoor RV storage area on 6.25± acres, located on the north side of Lansing Street, east of North Wickham Road, and south of Lake Washington Road. (Owner - LAWS HALL PARTNERSHIP LLP) (Applicant/Representative: Justin Archey) (P&Z Board - 11/6/2025) a. Ordinance No. 2025-53/MAP2024-0013: (First Reading/Public Hearing) An ordinance amending the future land use map classification from General Commercial to Heavy Commercial Future Land Use on 6.25± acres. b. Ordinance No. 2025-54/MAP2024-0012: (First Reading/Public Hearing) An ordinance amending the zoning map from C-2 (General Commercial District) to M-1 (Light Industrial District) zoning on 6.25± acres.c. Site Plan Approval (PLAN2024-0019): A request for site plan approval on 6.25± acres. (To be considered by City Council during the second reading of the ordinance.)]

COUNCILMEMBER. LARUSSO. VICE MAYOR. NEWMAN. MAYOR. ALFREY. THAT MOTION PASSES. OKAY, 13 WAS PULLED. WE'LL GO AHEAD, SIR. NO, THERE WAS A REQUEST TO POSTPONE. WE HAVEN'T PULLED IT.

OKAY, SO. ALL RIGHT, I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO STILL READ IT. AND THEN COUNCIL CAN CONSIDER THAT UNDER APPLICANT REQUEST TO POSTPONE IT FOR LEGALITY. ALL RIGHT THEN ITEM NUMBER 13 FOR GO AHEAD SIR. THANK YOU. MAYOR. THIS ORDINANCE NUMBER 20 2553, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, RELATING TO COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING, MAKING FINDINGS, AMEND OF AMENDING APPENDIX D, CHAPTER FOUR, SECTION 4.04 OF THE CITY CODE, AMENDING THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BY CHANGING THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION FROM GENERAL COMMERCIAL TO HEAVY COMMERCIAL ON A 1.83 PLUS OR MINUS ACRE PORTION OF LOT FOUR OF AN OVERALL 6.25 PLUS OR MINUS ACRE PROPERTY. LOTS THREE AND FOUR OF THE LANSING SQUARE COMMERCIAL SUBDIVISION, LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF LANSING STREET, EAST OF NORTH WICKHAM ROAD AND SOUTH OF LAKE WASHINGTON ROAD, PROVIDING FOR A CONDITION OF APPROVAL. PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE, AND PROVIDING AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE. THIS, TOGETHER WITH ORDINANCE NUMBER 20 2420 2554.

AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP AS IT RELATES TO GENERAL ZONING ORDINANCE NUMBER 2005 120 BY CHANGING THE EXISTING ZONING FROM C TWO GENERAL COMMERCIAL TO M-1 LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ON A 1.83 PLUS OR MINUS ACRE PORTION, LOT FOUR OF AN OVERALL 6.25 PLUS OR MINUS ACRE PROPERTY. LOTS THREE AND FOUR OF THE LANSING SQUARE COMMERCIAL SUBDIVISION, LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF LANSING STREET, EAST OF NORTH WICKHAM ROAD AND SOUTH OF LAKE WASHINGTON ROAD, PROVIDING FOR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE, AND PROVIDING AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE. THANK YOU SIR. SO AGAIN, AS AS YOU'LL SEE IN THE BLUE MEMO, THE APPLICANT WAS UNAVAILABLE FOR THIS EVENING'S MEETING. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT APPLICANT REPRESENTATIVE HAS DONE MOST OF THE COMMUNICATION WITH THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS, THE NEIGHBORS AND OTHER THINGS. AND SO, BECAUSE HE WASN'T AVAILABLE TONIGHT, I WAS ASKING TO POSTPONE SO THAT HE COULD SPEAK TO COUNCIL DIRECTLY AND ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS FROM FROM THE COUNCIL OR FROM NEIGHBORS. IF COUNCIL DOES DESIRE TO POSTPONE THE ITEM, MUCH LIKE YOU'VE HEARD ME SAY IN OTHER OTHER INSTANCES, BECAUSE THIS WAS AN ADVERTISED ITEM, POSTPONEMENT TO A DATE, TIME AND PLACE SPECIFIC WOULD BE APPROPRIATE, RIGHT? I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST IS TO POSTPONE FIRST READING TO OUR DECEMBER 9TH COUNCIL MEETING AT 6:30 P.M. HERE IN COUNCIL CHAMBER. OKAY, SIR. JUST IN THE REPORT, CITY MANAGER'S CITY MANAGER'S ITEM REPORT IS THAT IT'S NOTED ON THE TOP THAT COUNCIL COUNCIL DISTRICT NUMBER SIX. BUT THEN IN THE LAST PARAGRAPH OF THE THE LAST SENTENCE OF BACKGROUND CONSIDERATION, IT SAYS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN COUNCIL DISTRICT FIVE. SO IF WE CAN, YOU KNOW, MAKE THAT CLEARER FOR THE NEXT MEETING. GOOD CATCH. YES. VERY GOOD. I SEE WHAT YOU'RE POINTING OUT, COUNCILMAN LARUSSO, AND WE WILL FIX THAT, BECAUSE IT IS IN DISTRICT SIX. DETAILS. DISTRICT SIX. YEAH. OKAY. IS IT FIVE OR IS IT SIX? THAT'S SIX. IT'S SIX BECAUSE WHAT'S THAT, MA'AM? SPEAKER REQUEST. NO, WE HAVE NOTHING. GOOD, MR. KENNEDY.

I'LL JUST THROW IT OUT THERE. I MOVED TO POSTPONE IT TO DECEMBER 6TH. A MOTION, A SECOND MOTION, YEAH, B B POSTPONEMENT TO DECEMBER 9TH, 2026, 2025. COUNCIL MEETING AT 630 HEARING COUNCIL CHAMBER SECOND. THE MOTION BY MISS KENNEDY. SECOND BY VICE MAYOR.

[C.14. Ordinance No. 2025-55, Redtail Four Brewery: (First Reading/Public Hearing) An ordinance granting a conditional use (CU2025-0007) to allow a microbrewery use in conjunction with a second conditional use to allow for the consumption of alcohol (beer and wine) on premises in conjunction with a proposed microbrewery and pizzeria on a 1±-acre developed property zoned C-2 (General Commercial District) located on the west side of South Harbor City Boulevard, the east side of Irwin Street and south of Powell Avenue. (Owner - Wid T. Bell) (Applicant/Representative - Chelsea Woodard) (P&Z Board - 11/6/2025)]

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THAT MOTION PASSES. MOVING ON. ITEM NUMBER. NUMBER

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14. ORDINANCE 20 2555. I TOOK IT FOR ALL OF ITEM 13. SORRY. APOLOGIES. THIS IS ORDINANCE 20 2555, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP AS IT RELATES TO GENERAL ZONING ORDINANCE NUMBER 2005, 120. BY GRANTING A CONDITIONAL USE TO ALLOW FOR THE USE OF A MICROBREWERY AND A CONDITIONAL USE FOR CONSUMPTION OF BEER AND WINE ON THE PREMISES, IN CONJUNCTION WITH A PIZZERIA ON A 1.0 PLUS OR MINUS ACRE PROPERTY. ZONE C-2 GENERAL COMMERCIAL LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF SOUTH HARBOR CITY BOULEVARD, EAST OF ERWIN STREET AND SOUTH OF POWELL AVENUE. 2808 SOUTH HARBOR CITY BOULEVARD, PROVIDING FOR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, PROVIDING THAT THE CONDITIONAL USE GRANTED HEREIN MAY BE REVOKED BY CITY COUNCIL IF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL ARE NOT MET, PROVIDING THAT THE PROPERTY SHALL BE DESIGNATED ON THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP BY THE SYMBOL C C-2, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND PROVIDING AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE. THANK YOU.

PORTLAND, THIS IS MISS DITTMER. YES. THIS IS THE FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE GRANTING A CONDITIONAL USE TO ALLOW BOTH A MICROBREWERY USE, ALONG WITH A CONDITIONAL USE, TO ALLOW CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOL JUST FOR BEER AND WINE ON THE PREMISES IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE PROPOSED PIZZERIA RESTAURANT ON A ONE ACRE DEVELOPED PROPERTY ZONED C-2, LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF SOUTH HARBOR CITY BOULEVARD, THE EAST SIDE OF ERWIN STREET, AND SOUTH OF POWELL AVENUE. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT THREE AND IS ALSO IN THE DOWNTOWN CRA. THE APPLICANT PLANS TO CLEAR THE CURRENT SITE AND DEMOLISH THE EXISTING STRUCTURES, AND CONSTRUCT A 76 AND 50 FOOT SQUARE FOOT RESTAURANT BUILDING, AND THERE'S NO FORMAL SITE PLAN BEFORE COUNCIL THIS EVENING. THIS WILL BE REVIEWED AT THE STAFF LEVEL THROUGH THE ENGINEERING CONSTRUCTION PLAN PROCESS AND THROUGH BUILDING PERMITS. THE SITE IS CURRENTLY BLIGHTED AND HAS BEEN UNDER CODE ENFORCEMENT ACTION. THE PROPOSED USE OF THE PROPERTY BY THE APPLICANT IS FOR A NEW, LOCALLY OWNED AND OPERATED PIZZA RESTAURANT AND CRAFT BREWERY. THE ESTABLISHMENT BUSINESS HOURS ARE PROPOSED TO BE FROM 11 A.M. TO 10 P.M. SUNDAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY, AND 11 A.M. TO 12 A.M. THURSDAY THROUGH SATURDAY. THE PROJECT WILL FEATURE A 4940 950 SQUARE FOOT RESTAURANT WITH AN INTERIOR AREA CONTAINING 98 SEATS, AND THERE WILL BE ADDITIONALLY TWO OUTDOOR SEATING AREAS ALONG BOTH EDGES. AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SITE PLAN HERE, THE MIDDLE PART IS THE INTERIOR, AND THOSE TWO DARKER GOLD AREAS ARE THE OUTDOOR SEATING AREAS THAT WILL HAVE AN ADDITIONAL 84 SEATS AS WELL. ALL THE BREWERY EQUIPMENT AND A FULL KITCHEN WILL BE CONTAINED WITHIN SIDE THE MAIN INTERIOR AREA. THE. WITHIN A 500 FOOT RADIUS. THERE'S A MIX OF USES, SOME HEAVY HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL USES. VEHICLE SERVICE USES OFFICE, RETAIL, FUNERAL HOME, ROOFING COMPANY TO NAME A FEW IN THE PROXIMITY. THE NEAREST RESIDENTIAL USE IS TO THE WEST ACROSS THE FEC RAILROAD AND ADDITIONALLY TO THE EAST ACROSS THE US. ONE HIGHWAY. STAFF'S ADDED MULTIPLE CONDITIONS TO THE ORDINANCE TO ENSURE THAT THE ON PREMISE CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOL FOR THE BEER AND WINE WILL NOT AFFECT THE SURROUNDING AREA. THERE ARE SEVERAL CONDITIONS THAT ARE INCLUDED, LIMITING THE MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY OF THE FACILITY TO 200 PERSONS.

LIMITING THE CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOL TO WITHIN THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING OR ON THE COVERED OUTDOOR PATIO AREAS. ADDITIONALLY, LANGUAGE IN THE ORDINANCE, IF THERE ARE TWO OR MORE VIOLATIONS OF THE CITY'S NOISE REGULATION OR OCCUPANCY, IT WOULD BE A BREACH OF THE CONDITIONAL USE, WHICH WOULD THEN COME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION. DURING THE THE NOVEMBER 6TH PNC MEETING, THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEMBERS WERE DIVIDED IN THEIR CONSIDERATION OF THE MOTION. STAFF HAD PROPOSED RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL. THE MOTION TO CONSIDER STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION RESULTED IN A22 VOTE. THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD FAILED TO ACHIEVE A MAJORITY VOTE FOR APPROVAL OF THE CONDITIONAL USE, AND THERE WERE NO FURTHER MOTIONS MADE BY THE BOARD. ADDITIONALLY, AND I ADMIT TO GET IT INTO THE PACKAGE, OUR DOWNTOWN MELBOURNE CRA ADVISORY COMMITTEE DID HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PROPOSED PROJECT, ALTHOUGH THEY'RE NOT THE BODY THAT WOULD MAKE A FORMAL RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL, THEY DID HAVE A CONSENSUS FROM THAT BOARD OF FULL SUPPORT FOR APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST FOR THE MICROBREWERY AND THE PIZZERIA, WITH THE ALCOHOL CONSUMPTION ON SITE. AND SO WITH THAT, STAFF WILL RECOMMEND APPROVAL. ORDINANCE NUMBER 20 2555 BASED

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UPON THE FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS CONTAINED WITHIN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEMORANDUM. GREAT. THANK YOU. CINDY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR CINDY? YES, VICE MAYOR CINDY, WHAT DOES THIS ADDRESS ON US? ONE. DO YOU HAVE THE ADDRESS? I THINK 28 08I BELIEVE. 28 OH, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. BECAUSE SO EVERYTHING THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE WILL BE WILL BE TORN DOWN.

AND YEAH, THIS IS THE SITE IF THAT HELPS YOU TO DETERMINE WHERE IT'S AT. IT'S IT'S A LITTLE BIT NORTH OF UNIVERSITY POWELL IS THE CROSS STREET ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

IT'S FORMERLY BEEN USED NOT IN FULL CONFORMANCE WITH CITY CODE. AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S A LOT OF OUTDOOR STORAGE AND, AND WHATNOT. THAT'S THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR SOME TIME. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR CINDY SEEING NONE. THERE WAS A LOT. THERE WAS A FEW YEARS AGO THEY DID NOT. THERE WAS ANOTHER MICROBREWERY DOWN THE ROAD AT ONE TIME ON US. ONE, IT'S BEEN THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON BREWERY WAS AT JACKSON STREET, AND US ONE, PROBABLY 15 TO 20 YEARS AGO. IT WAS THE FIRST MICROBREWERY WE HAD IN THE CITY. IT'S BEEN CLOSED FOR QUITE SOME TIME, BUT THAT'S THE ONE. YOU'RE REFERRING TO. ALCOHOL THERE, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT. NO, IT WAS NOT. IT WAS. IT WAS JUST MORE OF A MANUFACTURING BREWERY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MISS DITTMER? SEEING NONE. THIS IS A QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING. DO WE HAVE ANY DISCLOSURES? I KNOW THAT I HAD BEEN THE CRA CHAIR, LISA HERENDEEN. SHE MAY HAVE. I THINK SHE'S THE REALTOR ON THIS.

SHE REACHED OUT TO ME AFTER THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING. SO I HAD THAT. AND THE OTHER MR. HERENDEEN CALLED ME. MR. HARRADINE CALLED YOU? YEAH. I ATTENDED THE DOWNTOWN CRA MEETING. I WAS THERE FOR THE DISCUSSION AND I TALKED WITH THE HERODIANS. MA'AM, I GOT A PHONE CALL FROM MR. HARRADINE NOVEMBER 7TH AT 1129, AND I RETURNED THAT CALL A LITTLE BIT LATER, AND WE JUST DISCUSSED THAT PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING AND HIS INTENTION WITH THE PROPERTY. OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE SEEING IF THERE WAS A LENGTHY EMAIL THAT WAS SENT TO US, OR WAS THAT IN ONE OF OUR PACKAGES, THE APPLICANT, I BELIEVE, SENT YOU AN EMAIL. SO WE GOT AN EMAIL. NOBODY CALLED ME. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. PERFECT. ALL RIGHT. SO NOW WE DID THAT.

WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. WE'VE GOT ONE, TWO, THREE. I'VE GOT FOUR SPEAKER SHEETS. I THINK TWO OF THEM ARE FROM THE APPLICANT AND TWO ARE FROM THE HERODIANS. DID YOU ARE YOU GUYS HERE FOR QUESTIONS OR DOES SOMEBODY WANT TO COME UP AND TALK BETWEEN THE TWO PARTIES? YOU SHOULD PROBABLY HEAR. YOU SHOULD PROBABLY HEAR FROM THE PROJECT APPLICANT. FIRST START WITH APPLICANT. YEAH. LET'S GO WITH THE APPLICANT. TIMOTHY FOWLER. FOLLOWED BY. EIM SOLUTIONS. HELLO. HEY GOOD. GOOD EVENING I'M TIMOTHY FOWLER, A RETIRED AIR FORCE COLONEL, AIRCRAFT MAINTENANCE OFFICER. AND IF YOU'RE WONDERING ABOUT WHAT THE NAME REDTAIL FOR IS, IT WAS MY CALLSIGN AT BALAD AIR BASE, IRAQ. I HAVE 28 YEARS OF SERVICE IN THOSE 13 MONTHS AT BALAD, WITH BY FAR THE MOST IMPORTANT. BALAD AIR BASE WAS DESIGNATED TO THREE 32ND AIR EXPEDITIONARY WING, WHICH WAS DERIVED FROM THE THREE 32ND FIGHTER GROUP FROM WORLD WAR TWO, WHICH WAS THE TUSKEGEE AIRMEN THAT FLEW P-40S, P-47S, P-51S, AND THEIR JOB WAS TO PROTECT BOMBERS, BOMBERS GOING INTO GERMANY. AND THEY DID IT BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE EVER COULD. THEY PAINTED THEIR TAILS BRIGHT RED SO THAT THE BOMBER TROOPS THAT WERE IN THE BOMBERS KNEW WHO WAS DOING THEIR ESCORT. WHEN WE BECAME THE THREE 32ND AIR EXPEDITIONARY WING AT BELARUS, VERY SIMILAR. AND WHY WE WERE DESIGNATED THAT OUR JOB AT BALAD WAS TO PROTECT SOLDIERS. WE WERE WE WERE WE WERE DOING A LOT OF MANEUVERING ON THE GROUND, ALLOWED A HOUSE TO HOUSE AND BLOCK TO BLOCK FIGHTING. AND WHEN SOLDIERS NEEDED THAT AIRCRAFT OVERHEAD AND A BOMB ON TARGET, WE MADE SURE THAT AT THAT HAPPENED, WHEN THE ENEMY DIES, THEY DIE ON TIME. SO THE REASON FOR RED TAIL FOR THAT'S THE BACKGROUND, THAT'S THE HISTORY OF IT. I WILL SAY ONE MORE THING THAT. THE TUSKEGEE AIRMEN IN WORLD WAR TWO WERE ALL AFRICAN

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AMERICAN. YOU KNOW, THE CIVIL WAR ENDED SLAVERY IN 1865. IT TOOK TILL 1965 TO END SEGREGATION. AND IN WORLD WAR TWO WE WERE SEGREGATED. BUT LUCKILY THE MILITARY ENDED SEGREGATION IN 1948. I TELL YOU THAT BECAUSE IT'S A PART OF OUR HISTORY, IT'S NOT A GOOD PART OF OUR HISTORY. BUT IN THIS ESTABLISHMENT, THIS BUSINESS, WHEN PEOPLE WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT, THEY WILL LEARN THIS BY OSMOSIS. THEY WILL JUST HAPPEN, JUST LIKE IT HAPPENED TO ME. SO I AM A TUSKEGEE AIRMAN, AND SO ARE THOUSANDS OF OTHERS THAT THAT PASS THROUGH BALAD AIR BASE IN COMBAT. SO THAT'S WHAT IT IS. I THINK YOU YOU KNOW, ONCE THEY SAID IT A COUPLE OF TIMES, WE DON'T HAVE A FULL KITCHEN. OUR WE PLAN WE HAVE A VERY NICE HIGH END BRICK OVEN PIZZA. AND WE'RE GOING TO MAKE HIGH END, HIGH QUALITY PIZZAS AND HIGH QUALITY BEER IN THE BACK END. THE REST WE DON'T HAVE A KITCHEN. WE JUST HAVE. THAT'S IT. THE ONLY THING WE'RE GOING TO BE COOKING THAT GOES INSIDE A BRICK OVEN. IT'S NOT A BIG RESTAURANT, SO I WANT TO ALLEVIATE THAT. IT'S NOT LIKE THAT. IT IS INTENDED TO BE A GATHERING PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO COME. AND AND OUR GOAL IS TO KEEP OUR PRICES LOW. MATTER OF FACT. YEAH. KEEP WE'LL KEEP THE FOOD PRICES LOW. AND THAT BECAUSE OF THAT HAS DRIVES US INTO THIS MICROBREWERY. BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO STAND I DON'T WANT TO STAND HERE AND SAY THAT I CAN MAKE SURE THAT 50% OF MY REVENUE IS OUT OF POCKET, WHICH WOULD MAKE US A BREWPUB. RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN DO THAT. SO WE'RE GOING THROUGH ALL OF THIS TO GET TO A MICROBREWERY.

ONE OTHER THING. YOU KNOW, WE WE PUT AN OFFER IN ON THIS ON THE PROPERTY IN JUNE. WE MET WITH THE CITY COUNCIL IN JULY. IT'S NOW DECEMBER. THE SELLER'S PROPERTY HAS BEEN BEEN TIED UP FOR ALL THIS TIME. AND AND FROM THE VERY BEGINNING WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROJECT, WE ALWAYS HAD GOOD FEEDBACK FROM THE CITY PLANNERS THAT THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS VIABLE. THAT WOULD HAPPEN IN, IN MELBOURNE. RIGHT. AND BECAUSE OF THAT, I'VE MADE A SUBSTANTIAL INVESTMENT THAT IF YOU TURN IT DOWN TONIGHT AND I ASK YOU IF YOUR INTENT IS TO TURN IT DOWN, DO IT TONIGHT SO THAT I CAN STOP THE BLEEDING, BUT I HAVE I WILL I WILL LOSE A SUBSTANTIAL SUM. AND IF I DO, I DON'T CARE, BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO GIVE THIS MY BEST CHANCE, MY BEST TRY TO TRY AND MAKE THIS HAPPEN. AND IF IT IF IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, THEN I CAN LOOK IN THE MIRROR AND KNOW THAT I DID WHAT I COULD DO. BUT THANK YOU. AND I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE MAYOR. GO AHEAD SIR. SO MY NAME IS DAVE NEWMAN. I'M THE REPRESENTATIVE FOR YOUR AREA WHERE THIS WOULD BE. AND SO FIRST OF ALL, DO YOU HAVE THERE'S SOME GREAT PLANS IN HERE. YOU DON'T HAPPEN TO HAVE ANY RENDERINGS FOR SECOND READING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE FOR IT'LL GO WE HAVE TO. ONE OF THE CONDITIONS IS THE AGRICULTURAL AND HISTORICAL BOARD. YEAH, YEAH. AND SO WE HAVE TO GET THE WE HAVE TO GET APPROVAL FROM THEM AS WELL. AND RIGHT NOW OUR ARCHITECT IS WORKING ON THAT. LIKE HE SAID, WE'RE TRYING TO STOP THE BLEEDING. SO. OH SURE. NO I GET THAT. YEAH. OH NO. I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE. LET ME IT IS A OKAY. IT'S GOING TO BE A IT'S A STEEL BUILDING RIGHT, RIGHT. GOING UP A STEEL BUILDING. BUT AGAIN WITH THE HA WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT SOME KIND OF FACINGS ON IT TO MAKE IT NOT LOOK LIKE JUST LIKE A STEEL BUILDING. BUT, BUT THE INSIDE IS GOING TO HAVE A CONCRETE FLOOR, RIGHT. THE INTERIOR WALLS ARE JUST PAINTED. YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT IT'S NOT A FANCY RESTAURANT. IT'S A BREWERY. IT'S A BREWERY AND MICROBREWERY. AND SO THAT'S IT.

RIGHT. AND I KNOW AND I GET, I GET THAT I WAS AGAIN WANT, WANTED TO HAVE AN IDEA OF THAT FOR A SECOND IF POSSIBLE. BUT LET ME BE FRANK BECAUSE I CAN I CAN HEAR THE THE APPREHENSION AND CONCERN IN YOUR VOICE. I WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT YOUR PROJECT. I THINK YOU'RE DOING RIGHT BY OUR CITY. I APOLOGIZE THAT YOU'VE HAD THAT BECAUSE OF THIS SPLIT DECISION AT PLANNING AND ZONING THAT'S MADE YOU FEEL THIS CONCERN. I WANT YOU TO KNOW, I DO BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO ADD A NET BENEFIT WITH THIS. I THINK THIS WOULD BE FANTASTIC FOR OUR AREA. YOU HAVE MY FULL SUPPORT. LIKE I SAID, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, LIKE I SAID, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. AND I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S A NET POSITIVE. SO THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR PATIENCE AND THAT OF THE LANDOWNER. BUT I WOULD I WOULD LOVE TO VOTE TO HAVE THIS MOVE FORWARD. BUT I'LL GO FOR EVERYBODY ELSE. MISS HANLEY, WHAT TYPE OF EXPERIENCE DO YOU HAVE IN THE RESTAURANT BUSINESS? I'VE DONE RESTAURANTS FOR 13 YEARS. I'VE GRAND OPENED. I WAS WORKING FOR A COMPANY NAMED COOKOUT, AND SO I STARTED THERE AND I DID ALL. I TRAVELED ALL ACROSS THE FOUR DIFFERENT STATES, OPENED ALL THEIR STORES,

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AND THEN I RAN THEIR FLAGSHIP STORE FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS AND OUR LIKE, WE SOLD $7.

WHERE'S THE FLAGSHIP? IT'S A BURGER, TWO SIDES AND A DRINK. AND OUR ANNUAL REVENUE WAS 6.5 MILLION SELLING $7 ITEMS. SO I'M PRETTY GOOD AT MAKING SURE THAT WE KEEP SOMETHING AFFORDABLE, MAKING SURE THAT YOU'RE CONNECTING WITH THE CUSTOMERS, CUSTOMER SERVICE, TRAINING, EMPLOYEES, TRAINING FRONT OF HOUSE, DEVELOPING PEOPLE. AND THE MAIN REASON WHY I WANT TO OPEN A BUSINESS IS WHEN I STARTED WORKING FOR COOKOUT, I WAS MAKING $7.25 AN HOUR GOING TO SCHOOL FOR AN ENGINEERING DEGREE. I ENDED UP LEAVING MY ENGINEERING DEGREE TO DO THIS, AND I BY THE TIME I LEFT WORKING FOR COOKOUT, I WAS MAKING ALMOST A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR. AND I GAVE IT UP TO DO THIS BECAUSE I WANT TO GIVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO OTHER PEOPLE. I WANT TO SHOW PEOPLE THAT THEY CAN WORK HARD AND MOVE UP INTO LEADERSHIP ROLES AND THAT, AND I REALLY BELIEVE THAT THAT'S SOMETHING YOU CAN GIVE BACK TO YOUR COMMUNITY.

ALL RIGHT. WHERE'S THE FLAGSHIP STORE COOKOUT? LEXINGTON, KENTUCKY. YEAH, BUT CAN I ASK ANOTHER QUESTION? WHEN SHE TOOK IT OVER, IT WAS IT WAS 3 MILLION IN SALES. OKAY. GO AHEAD. MA'AM, WHY DID YOU PICK WHY DID YOU PICK THAT LOCATION? LEXINGTON, KENTUCKY. OR THIS THIS LOCATION? WE'VE BEEN WE ARE CURRENTLY WE LIVE IN PALM BAY, BUT CLOSE TO THE MELBOURNE AREA. AND THERE'S BEEN ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS THAT ARE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD COMPLAIN THERE'S NOTHING THAT THEY CAN BRING THE FAMILY TO TO GATHER. THAT'S THAT'S NOT ALL THE WAY O'GALLEY OR WHAT WE'RE INTERCOASTAL IS AND THEY'RE DRIVING TO INTERCOASTAL MULTIPLE TIMES A WEEK TO DO WHAT WE WANT TO DO. AND SO WE WE SAW THAT IT WOULD BE VIABLE. THERE'S ALL THREE OF THE BREWERIES WITH HILL AND BLAZE'S INTERCOASTAL AND, AND WE WOULD BE THE THIRD ONE THAT WOULD BE ALONG US ONE RIGHT IN THAT AREA. AND THEY'RE BOTH VERY SUCCESSFUL. AND THE BREWERY THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT THAT HAD CLOSED DOWN ABOUT 15 YEARS AGO. IT WAS A PRODUCTION FACILITY THAT WAS LOCATED THERE, AND THEY ACTUALLY NEEDED TO MOVE THAT SPACE, I BELIEVE WAS 11,000FT■!S, AND THEY WERE DOING SO WELL IN THERE WITH THEIR DISTRIBUTION THAT THEY MOVED UP TO COCOA AND COMBINED WITH ANOTHER BREWERY IN A 60,000 SQUARE FOOT FACILITY, IF I IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. SO THEY DIDN'T GO OUT OF BUSINESS. I'VE HEARD DIFFERENT STORIES, SO I DON'T YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I HEARD IS THAT THEY COMBINED WITH A COUPLE DIFFERENT BREWERIES AND TO A BIGGER FACILITY. OKAY. MISS KENNEDY, MA'AM. GO AHEAD. HI, HOW ARE YOU? I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT, ACTUALLY, SO. AND I TOO AM SORRY ABOUT YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH PLANNING AND ZONING, BUT HOW MANY EMPLOYEES DO YOU PLAN ON EMPLOYING? SO STARTING OUT, I'D LIKE TO START WITH ANYWHERE BETWEEN 15 AND 20 TOTAL. BUT WHEN I STARTED AT WHEN I STARTED GROWING MY PREVIOUS BUSINESS, I STARTED WITH 25 EMPLOYEES AND WAS ABLE TO GROW IT TO WHEN I LEFT. I THINK I HAD 65 EMPLOYEES AND THEN TEN MANAGERS ON TOP OF IT, AND I TRAINED LIKE GM'S AND DISTRICT MANAGERS OUT OF THAT STORE. WE WOULD LIKE TO EVENTUALLY EXPAND AND BUILD THE BRAND ALL OVER FLORIDA. SO THAT WOULD BE OPPORTUNITIES FOR EMPLOYEES TO MOVE UP INTO MANAGEMENT, INTO DISTRICT MANAGER ROLES, INTO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. I MEAN, THAT'S THE DREAM PRETTY MUCH. BUT I JUST KNOW THAT IF YOU DEVELOP IN PEOPLE, YOU CAN NEVER GO WRONG. YEAH, YEAH, ACTUALLY GO AHEAD, GO AHEAD, MR. SMITH. AND THEN MR. GOOD EVENING, COLONEL FOWLER. I ALSO WAS DEPLOYED TO BALAD. THAT WAS MY FIRST DEPLOYMENT. I WAS WITH THE COMBINED JOINT SPECIAL OPS AIR COMPONENT, THE SECRET SQUIRRELS OVER THERE. WE OPENED THE JSOC. YEP. JSOC. YEP, YEP, I WAS THERE. SO NOW REMEMBER, I STILL HAVE MY T SHIRT FOR, YOU KNOW, INCOMING, INCOMING. YOU KNOW, THAT WAS WHAT I WAS KNOWN FOR. YEAH, BUT A COUPLE OF THINGS. I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS. I DO I DO A LOT OF COMMUNITY SERVICE DOWN IN THAT AREA AND A COUPLE OF THINGS. I'M ALSO INVOLVED WITH THE TUSKEGEE AIRMEN INCORPORATED, THE LOCAL CHAPTER THAT'S HERE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAD ANY COMMUNICATION WITH THEM HERE.

NO, BUT I'M SURE THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO ABSOLUTELY FIND OUT SOME MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THIS. THAT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS. AND THEN I'M ALSO JUST LIKE MY FELLOW COUNCILMEN AND WOMEN HERE, YOU KNOW, REALLY WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU AND THANK YOU FOR BEING CONSISTENT AND PERSISTENT IN, IN PURSUING THIS, BECAUSE THAT CORRIDOR I LOVE I'M GLAD THAT WAS A GREAT QUESTION. LIKE, WHY THIS LOCATION? WHY THIS AREA? THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT ARE SORT OF PERCOLATING IN THIS AREA, AND I THINK THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE TWO THINGS THAT PEOPLE CAN REALLY ENJOY. WE'RE MISSING PIECES SINCE WE DON'T HAVE THE PIZZA HERE IN DOWNTOWN MELBOURNE ANYMORE. RIGHT. AND THEN AND YOU CAN NEVER REALLY GO WRONG WITH, WITH MICROBREWERY. SO YEAH. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND MR. LARUSSO, YOU'RE GOING TO YOU'RE GOING TO WALK THROUGH THIS TONIGHT. I MEAN, I REALLY BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE, BUT I'M GOING TO PUT A SHOUT OUT TO SOMEBODY WHO ELSE IS IN THIS AUDIENCE RIGHT HERE. AND IF YOU

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HAVEN'T ALREADY CONTACTED YOUR CISCO REPRESENTATIVE, THAT'S YOUR GUY RIGHT THERE. YEAH.

MICHAEL HERNANDEZ, BUY YOUR FOOD FROM HIM. WE HAVE HIS CARD. I WAS A LITTLE NERVOUS. I WAS LIKE, WELL, LET'S GET THROUGH THIS BEFORE WE GET I KNOW MY DISTRIBUTOR YEARS. HE'S HE'S A TRUE PROFESSIONAL. YEAH. WE HAVE WE HAVE HIS INFORMATION. GOOD. WE WANTED TO GET THROUGH THIS. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. AND REAL QUICK, MA'AM, IF YOU DON'T MIND, JUST FOR THE RECORD, WHAT'S YOUR NAME? CHELSEA WOODARD. SORRY, CHELSEA WOODARD. WE'RE JUST GOING TO ADD IT ON THERE.

HIS DAUGHTER. BUT I'M MARRIED OKAY. SO. ALL RIGHT. WELL THANK YOU. NEXT I'M SOLUTIONS I AM SOLUTIONS. IS THERE AN I AM SOLUTIONS OKAY. FOLLOWED BY MARK HARRADINE. THANK YOU GUYS I HAVE TO SAY THAT IT'S AMAZING. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO IT. THE PLACE IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM MY OFFICE. SOME PLACE TO EAT, RIGHT? VERY COOL. WE'VE BEEN WORKING. I THINK YOU GUYS KNOW THAT WE WORKED. WE? MY WIFE IS ON A LOT OF THE BOARDS HERE, AND WE'VE WORKED HARD FOR MANY, MANY YEARS TO GET THE BLIGHTED SECTION OF OF SOUTH CORRIDOR CHANGED. WE WERE A PART OF THE COMMITTEE THAT GAVE US THE NEW ARCHWAY THAT OUR DESIGN TEAM WITH THE ARCHITECTS REDESIGNED THAT AND GOT THAT TO BUDGET SO THAT YOU HAVE THAT NICE ARCHWAY AT THE ENTRANCE AND THEN ALL THE OTHER ONES THAT WE HAVE DIFFERENT AREAS. SO WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE COMMUNITY TRYING TO GET THIS AREA TO GROW AND AND MATURE. AND I THINK THAT WHAT YOU'RE SEEING RIGHT HERE IS ONE BUSINESS THAT IS GOING OUT THERE ON A LIMB. AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICES AND YOUR MILITARY TIME. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL THING TO SEE SOMEBODY'S HEART COME OUT LIKE THAT, AND THAT'S A LOVELY THING. AND SO IF YOU GUYS DON'T PASS THIS AND I THINK I SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE SAYING, YES, IT WOULD BE A SAD DAY FOR THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO HELP THAT AREA AND GIVE OUR CORRIDOR. WE'RE GETTING THE STREETS, THE STREETSCAPE NOW AND WE'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT OF IMPROVEMENTS. I JUST DON'T WANT TO BE KNOWN AS MELBOURNE. THE HARBOR CITY, NOT THE OTHER CITY, RIGHT. BECAUSE THAT AREA IS NOTORIOUS FOR THE, THE, THE SEEDINESS AND THE CRIMES AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT I'VE HAD IN MY PROPERTY, I FIND IT ON MY LOTS ALL OVER THE PLACE OVER THERE. SO WE WANT TO GET THAT OUT OF HERE. WE WANT TO SEE THE GROWTH, WE WANT TO SEE THE VITAL AND REVITALIZE IT. LIKE WHAT YOU'VE SEEN IN A LOT OF OTHER CITIES ALONG THE COASTLINE. AS YOU GO FURTHER SOUTH, THEY'VE TAKEN THESE BLIGHTED AREAS AND IMPROVED THEM. BEAUTIFUL WHAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING. SO LET'S KEEP THAT PACE AND LET'S LET'S MAKE THIS SOMETHING THAT IS THE CITY WILL BE ABLE TO LOOK AT AND SAY, AS WE GET THOSE BLIGHTED PROPERTIES, THIS ONE SORRY, WITH IT'S A PIECE OF JUNK. WE GOT TO TAKE THAT PROPERTY AND SCRAPE IT AND PUT SOMETHING NICE IN THERE AND MAKE IT LOOK GOOD. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. MARK HARRADINE FOLLOWED BY LISA HARRADINE. ON MY WARMTH.

LEFT EARLIER. HI. GOOD EVENING. MARK HARRADINE 233 EAST NEW HAVEN AVENUE. HAVE A PREPARED STATEMENT. MY NAME IS MARK HARRADINE. I AM WITH REAL ESTATE INC AS A REAL ESTATE AGENT FOR BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. OUR FIRM REPRESENTS THE SELLER OF THE PROPERTY AT 2808 SOUTH HARBOR CITY BOULEVARD, WHERE THE RED TAIL FOR BREWERY AND BRICK OVEN PIZZA PROJECT ARE PROPOSED. I'M HERE TONIGHT TO STRONGLY ASK FOR YOUR UNANIMOUS APPROVAL.

APPROVAL FOR THE PROJECT. OVER THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS, I'VE HAD THE PLEASURE OF MEETING REGULARLY AT THE SITE WITH THE DEVELOPER, CHELSEA WOODARD, AND HER FATHER, TIMOTHY FOWLER, WHO YOU HEARD EARLIER, ALONG WITH THEIR ENGINEERS, CONTRACTORS AND OTHER PROFESSIONALS.

CHELSEA BRINGS REAL WORLD HOSPITALITY EXPERIENCE AND A CLEAR VISION FOR A SUCCESSFUL BREWERY AND RESTAURANT. TIMOTHY ADDS ENGINEERING EXPERTISE AND A STEADY AND PRACTICAL PERSPECTIVE. TOGETHER, THEY'VE SHOWN NOTHING BUT COMMITMENT, COMMITMENT TO THE PROJECT AND PROFESSIONALISM. THEY WORKED HAND IN HAND WITH CITY STAFF INCLUDING CHERYL DEAN AND CINDY DITTMER, WHO'S IN THE AUDIENCE TONIGHT TO ENSURE EVERY ASPECT OF THE PROJECT ALIGNS WITH THE DOWNTOWN SOUTH EXPANSION PLAN. THEIR CONCEPT PERFECTLY FITS THE CITY'S GOALS FOR ECONOMIC REVITALIZATION AND DESIGN STANDARDS, AS WELL AS COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. AS YOU HEARD EARLIER, THE NAME RED TAIL ITSELF HONORS AFRICAN AMERICAN VETERANS AND THE LEGACY OF THE TUSKEGEE AIRMEN, A GOOD CONNECTION TO MELBOURNE'S HISTORY AND A SENSE OF COMMUNITY PRIDE. THE PROJECT IS ABOUT MORE THAN GREAT FOOD AND CRAFT BEER. IT'S ABOUT TRANSFORMING AN UNDERUTILIZED PROPERTY INTO ANOTHER VIBRANT DESTINATION A PLACE WHERE FAMILIES, RESIDENTS AND VISITORS CAN GATHER, CELEBRATE THE LOCAL HERITAGE, STRENGTHEN OUR DOWNTOWN ECONOMY, ENJOY CAMARADERIE WITH FRIENDS. THE SITE IS ALREADY WITHIN THE DESIGNATED DOWNTOWN CRA DISTRICT AND THE SOUTH EXPANSION OF MELBOURNE, AND HAS BEEN A PLACE AND HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR MORE THAN A DECADE. THIS PROJECT FULLY COMPLIES WITH THE CITY'S OWN PLAN FOR GROWTH BY EVERY OBJECTIVE MEASURE ECONOMIC IMPACT DESIGN, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COMMUNITY VALUE. REDTAIL BREWERY MEETS AND EXCEEDS THE STANDARDS FOR

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APPROVAL. I'M NOT JUST SAYING THIS AS A REAL ESTATE PROFESSIONAL, BUT AS SOMEONE WHO HAS SERVED ON BOTH THE DESIGN COMMITTEE THAT BILL ALLUDED TO EARLIER FOR MELBOURNE MAIN STREET AND ATTENDED MANY CRA MEETINGS, OF WHICH MY WIFE, LISA, YOU'LL HEAR FROM BRIEFLY IN A MOMENT, IS THE IS THE CHAIR OF. THIS IS EXACTLY THE KIND OF PROJECT THAT WE HAVE WAITED NOT ONLY YEARS, BUT DECADES, FOR. IT IS ONE THAT WILL REMOVE BLIGHT. IT WILL CREATE AN INVITE OTHER INVESTMENTS AND ADD TO A SENSE OF PLACE ON BEHALF OF OUR FIRM AND IN THE MANY AND IN MANY IN THE COMMUNITY WHO SUPPORT THIS EFFORT, I RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU APPROVE THE RED TAIL FORT BREWERY IN BRICK OVEN PIZZERIA. IT WILL BRING NEW ENERGY, JOBS AND MORE PRIDE TO DOWNTOWN AND IT DESERVES YOUR UNANIMOUS SUPPORT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, SERVICE AND THOUGHTFUL CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU AND LISA. AND THEN FOLLOWED BY LAST SPEAKER, JOSEPH MCNEIL. GOOD EVENING. I'M WEARING TWO HATS TONIGHT. THE FIRST, OF COURSE, IS MY BROKERAGE REPRESENTS THE SELLER. SO I HAVE TO DISCLOSE THAT. SECOND IS AS A MEMBER OF THE CRA. AND I GUESS I JUST NEED TO START OFF BY SAYING, I'M JUST SO EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT BECAUSE AND IF IT DOES EVER COME BEFORE CRA ADVISORY BEFORE IT CLOSES, I WOULD OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO ABSTAIN FROM VOTING. BUT PERSONALLY, I'M EXTREMELY EXCITED. YOU KNOW, IF YOU STAND OUT IN THIS PROPERTY AND YOU DO A 360 AND YOU LOOK AROUND, IT'S ALL BLIGHT. I MEAN, RIGHT NOW THERE'S I THINK FOUR PROPERTIES LISTED RIGHT THERE FOR SALE.

AND THE PROBLEM IS SOME OF IT IS THE ZONING. SO JUST SO YOU ALL ARE AWARE, MOST OF THAT AREA WAS ZONED C THREE WHEN WE DID THE REZONING SEVERAL YEARS AGO. THE REMAINING PROPERTIES GRANDFATHERED IN AS C TWO. IT CREATES A ZONING ISSUE THAT PUTS PROPERTIES IN THE MIDDLE.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TALK ABOUT HOW THEY NEED THE CONDITIONAL USE TO SERVE ALCOHOL. BUT BELIEVE IT OR NOT, IF THEY WANTED TO JUST SERVE PIZZA, THEY CAN'T DO THAT EITHER. SO IT MADE IT VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TO. WE HAD TONS OF INTEREST ON THIS PROPERTY, BUT THE KINDS OF BUSINESSES THAT COULD ACTUALLY FIT INTO THE MOLD FOR THAT PARTICULAR AREA, IT'S REALLY TOUGH AND IT'S TOUGH TO TACKLE THAT AND TO TACKLE THE BLIGHT AND THE REDEVELOPMENT THAT WE'RE SEEKING AS A CRA. I MEAN, THIS PROJECT IS LITERALLY I GET CHILLS BECAUSE IT'S EXACTLY THE KIND OF PROJECT THAT WE NEED BACK THERE, NOT TO MENTION THE FACT THAT BREWERIES ARE KNOWN. IF YOU STUDY THAT THEY ARE A CATALYST FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. SO I REALLY FEEL THAT ONCE THIS BREWERY GOES IN, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THOSE OTHER PROPERTIES IMMEDIATELY GO TO CONTRACT, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SOME REALLY NICE REDEVELOPMENT OPTIONS THAT ARE GOING TO COME THERE. AND I JUST HAVE TO SAY IT WAS DEFLATING TO HEAR PLANNING AND ZONING SHOOT THIS DOWN, BECAUSE WE WERE REALLY WORRIED THAT THEY WERE GOING TO JUST BE SO FRUSTRATED AND GIVE UP. BUT THEY DO. THEY HAVE A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT SETTLED, AND I WAS VERY HAPPY TO HEAR THE ATTORNEY SAY THAT. IT'S NOT A GOOD REASON TO VOTE THIS DOWN FOR ANY REASON, FOR PERSONAL REASONS, BECAUSE THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT PLANNING AND ZONING DID. THE TWO FOLKS THAT VOTED AGAINST IT BASICALLY SAID IT WAS PERSONAL, AND THAT WE HAD FOUR RESTAURANTS OR BARS ALREADY THERE, WHICH WE DON'T. SO I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHERE THAT CAME FROM. BUT REGARDLESS, WE'RE HERE NOW. I WAS HOPING THAT EVERYBODY WOULD BE AS EXCITED AS IT SEEMS LIKE YOU GUYS ARE, BECAUSE WE'RE SUPER EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT AND IT'S A REAL WIN FOR THE CITY. THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU LISA. SO YOU BROUGHT UP SOMETHING THAT I THINK HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP BEFORE. YOU GOT THIS WHOLE C3 VERSUS C2. AND I'VE HAD SOME SIDEBAR CONVERSATIONS ABOUT SOMETHING, I GUESS, THAT USED TO EXIST THAT WAS AN INTEGRATED COMMERCIAL EDGE DEVELOPMENT TO WHERE YOU COULD SORT OF OPERATE ANY ONE OF THOSE THINGS. SO HAS THAT BEEN SOMETHING I'VE TALKED ABOUT AT THE ADVISORY BOARD LEVEL? WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT BRIEFLY. I KNOW THAT, AND THE STAFF CAN ELABORATE ON THAT MORE. BUT COMMERCIAL EDGE IS ONLY ALLOWED ON THAT SIDE OF US ONE AND BETWEEN THE RAILROAD TRACKS. BUT IT WOULD ALSO HAVE TO BE A SPECIFIC CHANGE. YOU NEED A FULL ACRE TO MAKE ANY CHANGE OR APPLICATION. SO AND IT'S MOSTLY BEING USED IN THE EAU GALLIE AREA WITH WHAT I'VE HEARD, A LOT OF SUCCESS. CINDY CAN PROBABLY SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN I CAN, BUT YES, WE REALLY DO NEED SOME MORE FLEXIBLE ZONING, I THINK TO MAKE SOME THINGS HAPPEN INSTEAD OF HAVING TO JUST LOOK AT EVERY SINGLE PARCEL AS A CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL, WHICH IS AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT EXACTLY IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE AFTER THIS IS APPROVED AND WHO'S GOING TO COME IN. BUT I CERTAINLY HOPE THAT, YOU KNOW, AS SOME OF THESE REQUESTS COME TO COUNCIL, THAT YOU GUYS KEEP AN OPEN MIND, BECAUSE WE REALLY DO WANT TO SEE A LOT OF REDEVELOPMENT.

FLEXIBLE ZONE. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MCNEIL. AND MAYOR, WOULD YOU LIKE. OH, MA'AM. YEAH. I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. JENNY, WOULD YOU LIKE CINDY TO SPEAK ON ZONING? YEAH, IF YOU'D LIKE TO. WOULD YOU LIKE SOMEBODY? LIKE. YEAH. I MEAN, YEAH. GO AHEAD. JUST TO CLARIFY A LITTLE, LITTLE BIT. SO THIS AREA IS SOUTH OF W.H. JACKSON STREET, IS ZONED C-2 COMMERCIAL. IT DOES ALLOW RESTAURANTS AND OFFICES AND ALL OF THOSE USES IN ADDITION TO SOME OF THE AUTOMOTIVE USES THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR SOME TIME. THAT'S WHY WE DID NOT REZONE C-3 ZONING ALL THE WAY DOWN SOUTH. US ONE THAT WAS VERY INTENTIONAL. WE HAD A

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NUMBER OF WORKSHOPS BACK THEN WITH ALL OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS, AND DECIDED TO LEAVE IT AS C2.

THE ZONING THAT WE HAVE IN O'GALLEY ACTUALLY ACTUALLY ALLOWS EVEN MORE INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL USES THAN WHAT YOU HAVE THERE. NOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S THE BEST THING.

WHOLE SCALE FOR THE SOUTH US ONE CORRIDOR, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO ALLOW MORE INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL USES THAT AREN'T ALWAYS THE PRETTIEST THINGS TO LOOK AT. PERHAPS. SO I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE TO HAVE FURTHER CONVERSATION BEFORE WE START DOWN ANY THOUGHT OF. WE JUST NEED TO GIVE EVERYTHING A NEW, MORE INTENSIVE ZONING DISTRICT.

RIGHT? SO I THINK MAYBE IT WOULD GO THE OTHER WAY, MAYBE NOT THE COMMERCIAL CONCENTRATION, BUT MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TERM WOULD BE MORE OF THE RESTAURANT, MORE OF THE LEISURE. SO RESTAURANTS COULD COULD BE ON EVERY PROPERTY IN THIS AREA. C2 ALLOWS RESTAURANTS, IT ALLOWS OFFICE, IT ALLOWS ALL OF THOSE USES THAT ARE LESS INTENSIVE. YOU KNOW, IT BUILDS ON ITSELF. THEN WHAT WAS THE ISSUE? I'M NOT NOT 100% SURE, BUT. THAT'S THE FIRST THAT I THAT I'VE HEARD THEIR CONCERN ABOUT. YOU CAN'T DO RESTAURANTS. THERE ARE SEVERAL RESTAURANTS THAT HAVE HAVE BEEN IN THE AREA.

RESTAURANTS HAVE PERMITTED USE IN C2. OKAY. AND UNDERSTAND OUR STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF THE ORDINANCE. SO I DON'T I'M NOT SURE IF OUR STAFF IS AWARE OF THE SITUATION. YEAH.

I MEAN OKAY, SO WE'RE DOING A CONDITIONAL USE BASED OFF OF I GUESS. SO THE CONDITIONAL USE, THERE'S TWO CONDITIONAL USES, ONES TO BE A MICROBREWERY AND ALSO THEN TO ALLOW CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOL ON PREMISES. MR. FOWLER. OKAY. MR. FOWLER WAS EXPLAINING EARLIER IF THEY WERE GOING TO BE ABLE TO COMMIT TO DOING AT LEAST 50% OF THEIR SALES IN FOOD SALES, THEY COULD HAVE BEEN A RESTAURANT, THEY COULD HAVE BEEN A BREWPUB, THEY WOULDN'T BE IN THE PUBLIC HEARINGS. IN OUR CONVERSATIONS EARLY ON WITH THEM, THEY'RE CONCERNED THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO MEET THAT FULL 50%. THAT'S THE DEFINITION WE HAVE IN CITY CODE FOR A RESTAURANT.

AND SO THEY WANTED TO BE CAUTIOUS AND MAKE SURE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, GOOD YOU KNOW, GOOD CRAFT BREWERY IS, YOU KNOW, DOES COST A LITTLE BIT MORE. SO YOU'VE GOT TO BALANCE YOU KNOW WHAT WHAT'S YOUR INCOME SOURCE IS GOING TO BE. SO THAT'S THE WHOLE REASON THAT THEY'RE HERE IS TO GO AHEAD AND GET A CONDITIONAL USE. SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO FULFILL THAT 50%. AND SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE A MICROBREWERY. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THE ALLOWANCE FOR THE CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES OF BEER AND WINE ONLY. AND THEY DON'T THEN HAVE TO FULFILL THAT 50% FOOD SALES. OKAY. AND I'LL SAY, MR. SMITH, YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH BUSINESS AS WELL. YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT EVERY QUARTER WHETHER YOU'VE MET THAT GOAL OR NOT. RIGHT, RIGHT.

RIGHT. RIGHT, RIGHT. YEAH. YOU HAVE MORE FLEXIBILITY. YOU WANT IT TO HAPPEN, BUT YOU YOU MAY NOT. RIGHT. YEAH. YEAH. EXACTLY. EXACTLY. YES, SIR. YEAH. OKAY. MR. JOSEPH MCNEIL. HEY. THANK YOU, MR. DITTMER. YEAH. GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL, AND I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I COME TO COUNCIL MEETINGS AND AND COME AND STAY IS TO LEARN OF WHAT WE ARE DOING. HAVING BEEN BORN AND RAISED IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA, I WELCOME THE AIRMAN'S INITIATIVE TO. FILL THAT VOID, THAT AREA, HAVING BEEN BORN AND RAISED THERE, HAS BEEN BLIGHTED FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, NUMBER OF YEARS, AND THIS CAN BE AN ANCHOR TO THAT QUARTER. SO I REALLY, REALLY WOULD APPRECIATE IF YOU GUYS WOULD APPROVE THIS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE START THAT QUARTER AS BEING REVITALIZED AND BEING A VISION AS IT ONCE WAS. WE, THE CONCERNED CITIZENS, REALLY WOULD LIKE TO. WE GOT SOME PLANS THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE BRINGING BEFORE YOU. ALSO, WE GOT A TRAIL THAT WE WANTED TO IMPLEMENT. WE GOT THE THE HISTORIC AMERICAN LEGION 191 THAT WE WANT TO CHANGE SOME OF THE ATMOSPHERE ON. SO THIS WOULD, IN MY OPINION, WOULD HELP US GROW AND MOVE FORWARD IN THIS AREA. SO I DO APPRECIATE YOU PASSING THIS TONIGHT AND IN THE SECOND READING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND THANK YOU, MR. MCNEIL. YOU DEFINITELY ARE FROM THE AREA BORN AND RAISED. YEAH, I'M NOT

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GOING TO ARGUE WITH THAT ONE RIGHT THERE. AND REAL QUICK. YOU THAT THAT THAT THE LAST SPEAKER I WILL SAY THIS IS A QUASI JUDICIAL ITEM. I KNOW THERE'S ALREADY DISCLOSURES MADE, BUT I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR. ON. 11 SEVEN 2025, MARK HARRADINE CALLED ME, JUST BRIEFLY ASKED ME TO SUPPORT PROJECT. WE DIDN'T REALLY TALK MUCH ABOUT IT, BUT HE WAS JUST PROBABLY IT WAS A MINUTE PHONE CALL. I JUST THAT'S MY THE ONLY DISCLOSURE. THERE'S NO OTHER DISCLOSURE THOUGH. CORRECT. ALL RIGHT. AND THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. I'M GOING TO BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL. MAYOR GO AHEAD. MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 20 2555. BASED ON THE FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS CONTAINED IN THE STAFF MEMORANDUM. SECOND. OH, BOY.

I'M EXCITED. WE ALL SECOND IT. HOLD ON. WE'RE ALL REALLY EXCITED. OKAY, WAIT A SECOND.

YOU HAD A SECOND A SECOND. YEAH, I THINK WE ALL SAID IT LIKE THE SAME EXACT TIME. HOLD ON.

BECAUSE I CAN DO THAT. PICK A NUMBER ONE. PICK A NUMBER 1 TO 10. THREE, TWO. IT WAS FIVE. GO AHEAD. I'M GONNA SAY ROCK, PAPER, SCISSORS. YOU'D LOSE THAT ONE. OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THAT MOTION PASSES

[C.15. Ordinance No. 2025-56, The Office Cigar Lounge: (First Reading/Public Hearing) An ordinance granting a conditional use (CU2025-0008) to allow the sale and consumption of alcoholic beverages on-premises, accessory to cigar sales, in a unit located on 0.20±-acre developed acres, zoned C-3 (Central Business District), located on the south side of West Eau Gallie Boulevard, east of Guava Avenue, and west of Highland Avenue (587 West Eau Gallie, Unit 103). (Owner - LJ Real Estate Holdings, LLC) (Applicant/Representative - Micah Rose) (P&Z Board - 11/6/2025)]

UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 15. GOING TO BE ORDINANCE 20 2556. THANK YOU.

MAYOR. AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA AMENDING THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP AS IT RELATES TO GENERAL ZONING ORDINANCE NUMBER 2005 DASH 120 BY GRANTING A CONDITIONAL USE TO ALLOW FOR THE SALE AND SERVICE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES FOR CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES IN CONJUNCTION WITH A RETAIL CIGAR SHOP IN A 670 PLUS OR MINUS SQUARE FOOT UNIT LOCATED ON A 0.20 PLUS OR MINUS ACRE PROPERTY. LOCATED ZONED C THREE CENTRAL BUSINESS. LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF WEST EAU GALLIE BOULEVARD, EAST OF GUAVA AVENUE AND WEST OF HIGHLAND AVENUE. 587 WEST EAU GALLIE BOULEVARD, PROVIDING FOR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, PROVIDING THAT THE CONDITIONAL USE GRANTED HEREIN MAY BE REVOKED BY THE CITY COUNCIL IF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL ARE NOT MET, PROVIDING THAT THE PROPERTY SHALL BE DESIGNATED ON THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP BY THE SYMBOL C, C3, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND PROVIDING AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE. THANK YOU. REPORT ON THIS IS MISS DITTMER.

YES. THIS IS THE FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE GRANTING A CONDITIONAL USE TO ALLOW THE SALE AND CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES ON PREMISES, ACCESSORY TO RETAIL CIGAR SALES ON A TWO ACRE DEVELOPED PROPERTY, ZONED C3 PROPERTIES, LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF WEST EAU GALLIE BOULEVARD, EAST OF GUAVA AVENUE AND WEST OF HIGHLAND AVENUE. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN COUNCIL DISTRICT TWO AND IS LOCATED IN OLD EAU GALLIE CRA DISTRICT. THE REQUEST IS LOCATED IN 670 SQUARE FOOT UNIT OF A MULTI-TENANT BUILDING. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO SELL ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES, ACCESSORY TO THE CIGAR SALES. THE ON PREMISES CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOL, WHEN NOT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE RESTAURANT, DOES REQUIRE CONDITIONAL USE. AS WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, THE APPLICANT IS PLANNING TO BE OPEN FROM 12 P.M. TO 11 P.M. SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY AND 12 P.M. TO 1 A.M. ON FRIDAYS AND SATURDAYS. THE BUSINESS PLAN THAT THE APPLICANT HAS STATED IS THAT THEY'RE CATERING TO CIGAR AFICIONADO'S, LOCAL PROFESSIONALS AND TOURISTS LOOKING FOR A PREMIUM SMOKING EXPERIENCE. THE ESTABLISHMENT WILL SELL SELECTION OF CIGARS FROM AROUND THE WORLD, ACCESSORIES AND WE'LL HAVE CIGAR LOCKERS. THEY WILL ALSO BE SERVING A SELECTION OF WHISKEYS. THE FLOOR PLAN INCLUDES A BAR, MULTIPLE SEATING AREAS WITH 13 SEATS AND A HUMIDOR TO STORE CIGARS IN. THERE'S ONE BATHROOM IN THE FACILITY. THE OCCUPANCY FOR THIS WILL BE LIMITED TO 48 PERSONS. THIS IS THE SEATING LAYOUT. THE SITE IS LOCATED IN THE DOWNTOWN EAU GALLIE AREA. THERE'S A MIX OF USES WITHIN THE 500 FOOT RADIUS, CONTAINING RETAIL, OFFICE AND RESTAURANT AND RESIDENTIAL USES. STAFF ALSO HAS ADDED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL TO THIS ORDINANCE TO ENSURE THE ON PREMISE CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES WILL NOT AFFECT THE SURROUNDING AREA. THESE CONDITIONS THAT ARE INCLUDED INCLUDE CONDITIONS SUCH AS THE MAXIMUM SEATING ALLOWANCE OF EIGHT OF 13 SEATS, WITH A MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY OF 48 PERSONS, AGAIN CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOL TO BE OCCURRING ENTIRELY WITHIN THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING, AND TWO OR MORE VIOLATIONS OF THE CITY'S NOISE OR OCCUPANCY WOULD BE A BREACH OF THE CONDITIONAL USE. THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD DID VOTE UNANIMOUSLY TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST, AND STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

ORDINANCE NUMBER 20 2556 BASED ON THE FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS CONTAINED IN THE PLANNING AND

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ZONING BOARD MEMORANDUM. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS DITTMER, MAYOR? GO AHEAD SIR.

NO QUESTION, JUST A STATEMENT. THIS IS A NATURAL PROGRESSION FOR DOWNTOWN EAU GALLIE. IT'S IT'S IT'S PURE I MEAN, IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN DOWN THERE THURSDAY AND FRIDAY AND SATURDAY NIGHTS, WHICH I THINK WE'VE ALL HAVE BEEN WALKING THE STREET, YOU CAN'T PARK DOWN THERE. WELL, WE'RE FIGHTING FOR THAT PARKING GARAGE, OF COURSE, BUT YOU KNOW, IT IS. IT'S A IT HAS BECOME A WALKING AREA. AND SO THIS AS I SAID, IS A NATURAL PROGRESSION TO THAT GROWTH. SO THANKS FOR YOUR HARD WORK ON THIS CINDY I APPRECIATE IT. I GOTTA GO AHEAD. MA'AM, I HAVE A QUESTION. WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING HERE AT THE LAYOUT. HOW ARE THEY? THERE'S A DOOR IF YOU'RE ON PAGE 369 AND 368 369, IS THE DOOR GOING IN STRAIGHT IN WHERE THE THERE'S LIKE A. IT SHOULD BE RIGHT. I THINK THEY FORGOT TO PUT THE DOOR. YEAH. WHERE DID THE DOOR. WHERE DO THEY COME IN THE DOOR. BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT TWO DIFFERENT TWO DIFFERENT PICTURES HERE. IF YOU LOOK ON 368, 369 GOING IN, I DON'T HAVE THE PAGE NUMBER. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT ONE. OKAY. ON IT. THAT'S WHAT SHE'S SAYING. YEAH. AND IF YOU LOOK AT 369 IT HAS A DOOR COMING IN ON THE SIDE A GLASS DOOR. YES. THAT THAT ONE. SEE THE 359 DOESN'T SAY THAT. YEAH. IT'S GOT THE DOOR INSIDE. SO, SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE STREET VIEW GOING THE WRONG WAY, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THEY'RE COMING IN. SEE, THERE'S A LITTLE. I CAN'T THINK OF A LITTLE CUBBY AREA BETWEEN THE TWO UNITS WHERE THAT STAR IS. THERE'S AN OPENING, AND I BELIEVE YOU WALK INTO THAT OPENING AREA, AND THAT'S HOW YOU GET INTO THAT SIDE DOOR THAT YOU SEE. I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THERE. YEAH, YEAH. OKAY. THERE'S A LITTLE I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT COVERAGE AREA. I BELIEVE THAT'S HOW YOU, HOW YOU ACCESS IT SHOWED THAT THE FIRST PICTURE, THE PICTURE OF THE BUILDING, YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE OKAY. AND IT'S RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO WHERE THE OLD OFFICE WAS. YES, EXACTLY. ALL RIGHT. NICE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MISS DITTMER? ALL RIGHT. THIS IS A QUASI ITEM. DISCLOSURES. NO, NO DISCLOSURES IN PUBLIC HEARING, NO SIGN UP SHEETS. CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING. BRING BACK TO COUNCIL. MAYOR. GO AHEAD. I RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025, DASH 56, BASED ON THE FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS CONTAINED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEMORANDUM. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION. A SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE AYE. AYE. MOTION PASSES. MOVE ON TO ITEM

[C.16. Ordinance No. 2025-57, The Collection: (First Reading/Public Hearing) An ordinance granting a conditional use (CU2025-0009) to allow the sale and consumption of alcoholic beverages (beer and wine) on-premises, accessory to a retail food and wine market, in a multi-tenant building zoned C-3 (Central Business District), located on the east side of Cypress Avenue, west of North Harbor City Boulevard and north of West Eau Gallie Boulevard (1385 Cypress Ave, units 101 and 103). (Owner - Michael Spetko) (Applicant/Representative - Michael Hernandez) (P&Z Board - 11/6/2025)]

NUMBER 16. REPORT ON THIS IS MR. DITTMER. ACTUALLY IT'S GOING TO BE ORDINANCE NUMBER 20 2557, MR. CONNELLY. THANK YOU. MAYOR. AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP AS IT RELATES TO GENERAL ZONING ORDINANCE NUMBER 2005. DASH 120, BY GRANTING A CONDITIONAL USE TO ALLOW FOR THE SALE AND SERVICE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES, BEER AND WINE FOR CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES IN CONJUNCTION WITH A RETAIL, FOOD AND WINE MARKET IN A 1500 PLUS OR MINUS SQUARE FOOT AREA. UNITS 101 AND 103 LOCATED ON A 0.18 PLUS OR MINUS ACRE PROPERTY ZONED C THREE CENTRAL BUSINESS LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF CYPRESS AVENUE, NORTH OF EAU GALLIE BOULEVARD AND SOUTH OF SAINT CLAIR STREET.

1385 CYPRESS AVENUE, PROVIDING FOR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, PROVIDING THAT THE CONDITIONAL USE GRANTED HEREIN MAY BE REVOKED BY CITY COUNCIL IF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL ARE NOT MET, PROVIDING THAT THE PROPERTY SHALL BE DESIGNATED ON THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP BY THE SYMBOL CC3, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND PROVIDING AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE. THANK YOU.

PORTLAND, THIS IS MISS DITTMER. YES. THIS IS A FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE GRANTED A CONDITIONAL USE TO ALLOW THE SALE AND CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES, SPECIFICALLY JUST BEER AND WINE, ON PREMISES. AND THIS WILL BE ACCESSORY TO A RETAIL, FOOD AND WINE MARKET ON A 0.18 ACRE PARCEL ZONED C3. THE PARCEL IS LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF CYPRESS AVENUE, NORTH OF EAU GALLIE BOULEVARD, AND SOUTH OF SAINT CLAIR STREET. THE PROPERTY IS IN COUNCIL DISTRICT TWO AND IN THE EAU GALLIE CRA AREA. THE REQUEST IS LOCATED IN A 1500 SQUARE FOOT UNIT THAT'S LOCATED IN A MULTI-TENANT BUILDING ON CYPRESS. THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO SERVE BEER AND WINE ACCESSORY TO THE RETAIL, FOOD AND WINE MARKET.

AS I SAID BEFORE, THE ON PREMISE CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOL WOULD NOT, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE RESTAURANT, DOES REQUIRE THE CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL. THE APPLICANT SPECIALIZES IN SELLING FOOD AND WINE PRODUCTS FROM A PRODUCT LOUNGE, WHICH WILL CONTAIN ITEMS FOR RETAIL SALES SUCH AS OILS, PASTA, SPICES AND HOT SAUCES THAT ARE AVAILABLE BOTH TO THE PUBLIC AND TO THE AREA. RESTAURANTS. THE ESTABLISHMENT WILL ALSO HAVE A WINE ROOM WITH DIFFERENT

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WINE WINES FROM VARIOUS COUNTRIES. THE APPLICANT'S BUSINESS PLAN INDICATES THAT THIS WILL OPERATE THURSDAY, FRIDAY AND SATURDAY FROM 5 P.M. TO 10 P.M. AND THEN ON SUNDAYS FROM 12 TO 4 P.M. THE FLOOR PLAN IDENTIFIES THAT THEY CAN ACCOMMODATE APPROXIMATELY 15 PERSONS IN THE IN THE LOCATION. THEY HAVE AN OFFICE, A BATHROOM, AND A DRY STORAGE AREA. THE SEATING THAT'S INCLUDED ARE THREE TWO SEAT TABLES AND A SOFA. THEY WILL HAVE A LIMITATION CURRENTLY FOR A MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY OF 19 PERSONS. THEY DO HAVE THE ABILITY POTENTIALLY TO EXPAND A BATHROOM AND ALLOW THAT OCCUPANCY TO COME UP TO 50 PERSONS. THIS SITE IS ALSO LOCATED IN THE DOWNTOWN EAU GALLIE AREA, SO LOCATED IN AN AREA WITH VARIOUS MIXED USES SURROUNDING IT. THERE IS ONE RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY HOME LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 450FT TO THE NORTHWEST OF THE PROPERTY. STAFF HAS ALSO ADDED THE SAME TYPES OF CONDITIONS TO THIS REQUEST REGARDING THE LOCATION OF ON PREMISES BEING WITHIN THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING, LIMITING THE SEATING ALLOWANCE TO 19 PERSONS WITH THE POTENTIAL TO GO UP TO 50 IF THE APPROPRIATE BUILDING CHANGES ARE MADE, AND AGAIN ALSO THE TWO OR MORE VIOLATIONS OF THE CITY'S NOISE OR OCCUPANCY WOULD BE A BREACH OF THE CONDITIONAL USE. THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD DID VOTE UNANIMOUSLY TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST, AND STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 20 2557 BASED ON THE FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS CONTAINED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEMORANDUM. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS DITTMER? GO AHEAD SIR, QUICKLY. JUST FOR VISUAL, IT'S RIGHT DOWN THE STREET FROM DIRECT SEAFOOD ITALIAN AMERICAN CLUB. RIGHT. SO RIGHT DOWN THERE, YOU FIT RIGHT IN THERE. I'VE KNOWN MR. HERNANDEZ FOR YEARS, AND I TRUST HIS BUSINESS MODEL. SO I'M GOING TO VOTE POSITIVELY ON THIS. AND I MAY JUST EVEN BE YOUR FIRST CUSTOMER. WHO KNOWS? THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. GOOD. OKAY. I KNOW THIS SOUNDS REALLY STRANGE TO SAY THIS, BUT I'M LOOKING AT THE FLOOR PLAN. HOW DO YOU GET TO THE BATHROOM IF YOU'RE. I SEE THE WALLS ON PAGE 390. THERE IT IS. SO, SIR, CAN YOU. I'M SORRY. AND IF YOU DON'T. HOLD ON, HOLD ON. IF YOU DON'T MIND, HE IS A SPEAKER. SO I'M GOING TO CALL, OPEN UP PUBLIC HEARING AND COME ON UP AND STATE YOUR NAME, SIR. HI, I'M MIKE HERNANDEZ. HI. SO IF YOU WALK THROUGH THE MAIN DOOR, THAT SQUARE IS ACTUALLY A HALLWAY THAT GOES RIGHT INTO THE NEXT BUILDING. IT'S DO YOU MEAN BY THE MAIN BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT. OH, OKAY. YOU SEE THE MAIN ENTRANCE AND ON THE SIDE HERE. AND THEN THERE'S THE STANDING BAR. SO WHERE THE BAR IS THAT THAT SQUARE IS A HALLWAY THAT WAS THERE. IT'S IT USED TO BE A DENTIST OFFICE THAT HAS A DOOR THAT GOES RIGHT THROUGH. DO YOU UNDERSTAND? I THINK THE MAYOR PERMISSION.

YEAH. GO AHEAD. MA'AM, I THINK IT'S JUST THAT THIS ONE RENDITION PICTURE DOESN'T QUITE DEPICT THE HALLWAY, BUT I CAN SEE WHERE, LIKE, RIGHT HERE WOULD BE. HERE'S THE BATHROOM DOOR TO COME IN AND OUT. SO I'M JUST KIND OF LOOKING. THIS IS A LEGITIMATE ARCHITECT. SO IF YOU CAME OUT OF THAT BATHROOM DOOR, YOU JUST MAKE A LEFT. IT'S JUST A HALLWAY. THIS IS A HALLWAY.

OKAY. OH, YOU PUT YOU PUT AN ENDING ON THE HALLWAY. OH, THERE IT IS. OKAY, OKAY. YOU PUT A CAP ON THE HALLWAY. OKAY. SO THAT'S WHY I WAS KIND OF LIKE, YOU COULD GET THROUGH.

THAT'S OKAY. I WAS LIKE, OKAY, IT SOUNDS VERY IMPORTANT. IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THING I GOT YOU, I GOT YOU, YOU KNOW, I JUST THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT, THAT FLOOR PLAN. I WAS LIKE, HEY, OKAY, THAT'S ALL. I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT LOOKING AT YOUR FLOOR PLAN THERE. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO. AND YOU ARE? SPEAKER. DO YOU HAVE ANY ARE YOU GOOD OR. I'M GOOD. OKAY.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ARE YOU GOING TO BE. YOU'RE GOING TO BE. THANK YOU SIR. IS THAT WHAT IF I REMEMBER RIGHT. ITALIAN OR FRENCH. SO MY 9 TO 5 I OPEN UP RESTAURANTS AND BARS FOR THE LAST ALMOST 20 YEARS ACROSS THE STATES, I TRAVEL THE WORLD. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE MISSING HERE IS THAT WE ALL USE THE SAME ITEMS FROM THE SAME VENDOR. SO I HAVE COLLECTED, I HAVE 473 DIFFERENT LABELS OF WINE FROM ITALY AND FRANCE. NONE OF THEM HAVE EVER BEEN IN FLORIDA. I HAVE 300 THAT ONLY GET ALLOCATION ABOUT 100 INTO THE UNITED STATES A YEAR, WHICH I HAVE 95% ALLOCATION. AND THEN I HAVE ALL KINDS OF ITALIAN TOMATOES AND OILS AND PASTAS DIRECTLY FROM EUROPE THAT ARE NOT IN FLORIDA. SO YOU DIDN'T BRING ANY SAMPLES, RIGHT? NO BRIBERY UP HERE. ALL RIGHT. GOOD. THANK YOU. CAN I SAY IT OUT LOUD? SAY IT. YOU KNOW WHO

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HIS. WHO HE'S MARRIED TO? WHO'S THAT? HIS FATHER IN LAW IS FRANKIE PIZARRO. OH, SEE, I KNEW I'D GET THAT. LOOK, I LOVE IT. YOU GOT IT. YOU GOT A LITTLE EXPERIENCE A LITTLE BIT, RIGHT? A LITTLE BIT. JUST A LITTLE BIT ENOUGH. YES. OKAY. WELL THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU SIR. THANKS FOR. ALL RIGHT. NOT SURE. YEAH. NEXT. YEAH. STARTED WITH ANY DISCLOSURES OKAY. NO DISCLOSURES. CLOSED PUBLIC. WELL, BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL. MAYOR. GO AHEAD. APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025, DASH 57, BASED UPON THE FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEMORANDUM. SECOND, HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY

[C.17. Ordinance No. 2025-58, Affordable Housing Updates: (First Reading/Public Hearing) An ordinance amending City Code, Appendix B, Article 5, Section 4, Affordable Housing Development, for compliance with recent Florida Statute changes. (Applicant - City of Melbourne) (P&Z Board - 11/6/2025)]

OPPOSED? SAY I VOTE AYE, AND THAT MOTION PASSES. WELCOME TO MY DISTRICT. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 17, ORDINANCE 20 2558. THANK YOU. MAYOR. AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, RELATING TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, MAKING FINDINGS AMENDING APPENDIX B OF THE CITY CODE ENTITLED ZONING AMENDING ARTICLE FIVE DISTRICT REGULATIONS AMENDING SECTION FOUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND INTERPRETATION, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND PROVIDING ADOPTION SCHEDULE.

OKAY, REPORT ON THIS AS MISS DITTMER. YES, THIS IS THE FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CITY CODE APPENDIX B, ZONING ARTICLE FIVE, SECTION FOUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS IT RELATES TO CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE TO THE FLORIDA STATUTES, CHAPTER 166 LIVE LOCAL ACT. AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE LAST FEW YEARS, THERE'S BEEN ADDITIONAL CHANGES THAT HAPPENED. THE LAST TWO LEGISLATIVE LEGISLATIVE SEASONS BACK IN 2023. TO GIVE YOU A QUICK BACKGROUND, WE MADE A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF NEW AND EXISTING AFFORDABLE HOUSING STANDARDS. WE CENTRALIZED INTO THIS NEW SECTION FOUR WITHIN ARTICLE FIVE OF THE ZONING CODE INCENTIVE OPTIONS THAT COUNCIL PULLED INTO THE CODE AT THAT TIME WERE REDUCED ZONING AND LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, DEFERRALS AND WAIVERS OF IMPACT FEES AND DENSITY BONUS, AND LITTLE LIVE LOCAL ACT BONUSES WERE PUT INTO THIS SECTION. SO AS WE'VE FOLLOWED THE CHANGES THAT THE STATE'S MADE, THEY'VE MADE ADDITIONAL CHANGES THE LAST TWO YEARS THAT WE'RE GOING TO INCORPORATE INTO CITY CODE. WE HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THESE CHANGES BY STATUTE, BUT WE'D LIKE TO MAKE IT CLEANER AND HAVE THOSE ACTUALLY WITHIN CODE. SO I'M JUST GOING TO REAL QUICKLY GO THROUGH WITH YOU THE 5 OR 6 CHANGES THAT WE HAVE WITHIN THIS ORDINANCE. SEVERAL OF THEM, MOST OF THEM WERE MANDATORY. SEVERAL OF THEM WERE OPTIONAL. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE COUNCIL UNDERSTANDS WHAT OPTION THAT WE'RE PROPOSING. THE FIRST ONE IS REGARDING THE ALLOWANCE FOR PROPERTIES THAT HAVE ACTIVE RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS THAT CONTAIN A HOUSE OF PUBLIC WORSHIP, A CHURCH ALLOWING THEM TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP AFFORDABLE HOUSING ON THEIR PROPERTIES. THE LEGISLATIVE LEGISLATION SAID THAT WE MAY CHOOSE TO ALLOW THIS. STAFF TOOK A LOOK AT WHERE A LOT OF OUR CHURCHES ARE IN THE CITY, PREDOMINANTLY, YOU SEE THEM ZONED I-1, INSTITUTIONAL ZONING OR ZONED IN AN R1 SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT WITH A CONDITIONAL USE. WHAT WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT IS THIS WOULD BE AN AUTOMATIC. THERE WOULD BE NO CITY COUNCIL REVIEW OR APPROVAL. SO WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED IS THAT WE WOULD ALLOW THOSE IN THE I-1 ZONING DISTRICTS, THEY TEND TO BE LARGER PARCELS. THEY TEND TO NOT BE LOCATED, YOU KNOW, SOLELY WITHIN A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD, LIKE WE DO HAVE SOME CHURCHES. SO WE FELT LIKE THE ABILITY TO ALLOW THOSE ABILITY TO DEVELOP AFFORDABLE HOUSING WOULD BE ALL RIGHT ON THE INSTITUTIONALLY ZONED PROPERTIES OR NOT. WE'RE NOT ALLOWING ALL CHURCHES AS WE COULD HAVE BY THE CHANGE IN THE STATUTES. NEXT THING THEY, THE LEGISLATURE DID IN 2024, THEY PUT SOME RESTRICTIONS ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING REGARDING THE PROXIMITY OF THEM TO AIRPORTS AND TO THE RUNWAYS. SO WE'VE ADDED THOSE DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS IN THERE THIS YEAR. THEY ALSO LOOKED AT THE PARKING SPACE REQUIREMENTS. WE ALREADY HAVE SOME REDUCTIONS IN PARKING SPACE REQUIREMENTS, BUT THIS ONE ACTUALLY WAS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THAN WHAT WE WERE ALLOWING. WE WERE ONLY ALLOWING REDUCTIONS IN TWO BEDROOMS FOR LOW AND VERY LOW INCOME. THE STATUTE NOW SAYS WE HAVE TO ALLOW UP TO A 15% REDUCTION FOR ALL OF OUR LEVELS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, SO WE'RE MAKING THAT CHANGE THAT WILL LOWER THAT ALLOWANCE ON THE PARKING. ADDITIONALLY, THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION IN THE 2023

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VERSION ABOUT WHETHER A DENSITY BONUS THAT SOMEBODY COULD GAIN ANYWHERE IN THE CITY HAD TO BE ALLOWED THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE CITY. THEY CLARIFIED THAT LANGUAGE IN 2024. SO WE'RE CLEANING UP THAT LANGUAGE. ALSO IN 2024, THEY ADDED LANGUAGE REGARDING THE ABILITY TO RESTRICT A MAXIMUM HEIGHT ALLOWANCE. CURRENTLY, IF YOU'RE WITHIN A MILE OF ONE OF OUR C3 DISTRICTS, YOU COULD BUILD 96FT IN HEIGHT. THAT IS NOT GOING TO BE PERMITTED WHEN YOU'RE ADJACENT TO SINGLE FAMILY ON TWO SIDES, AND IT'S WITHIN A SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT, WITH AT LEAST 25 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN THAT AREA. SO ESSENTIALLY, IF YOU'RE ABUTTING A FAIRLY, YOU KNOW, LARGE SINGLE FAMILY ZONING AREA, YOU'LL BE LIMITED TO THE HEIGHT ALLOWANCE OF THAT ZONING DISTRICT, WHICH IS TYPICALLY GOING TO BE EITHER 36FT OR 48FT, DEPENDING ON RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL ZONING. THE NEXT 1 IN 2024, THEY DID MODIFY AND REQUIRE CITIES TO ALLOW UP TO 150% OF OUR FLOOR AREA RATIO TO BE UTILIZED. WE'VE ADDED THAT LANGUAGE IN, AND THEN THE ONE OTHER LAST CHANGE, CURRENTLY SINCE 2004, WE'VE HAD AN EXPEDITED PERMITTING POLICY, AN ADMINISTRATIVE POLICY THAT COUNCILS APPROVED AND REVIEWED OVER THE YEARS. WE'RE PROPOSING TO JUST PUT THAT LANGUAGE IN CITY CODE. SO IT'S ONE LESS POLICY THAT WE HAVE TO TRACK. AND IT'S VERY CLEAR TO THE PUBLIC, WHEN THEY'RE READING OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING SECTION THAT WE DO ALLOW EXPEDITED PERMITTING FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS. AND OTHER THAN THAT, WITH SOME VERY MINOR FORMATTING CLEANUP CHANGES AS WE WENT ALONG, THAT COVERS WHAT'S PROPOSED. THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD DID REVIEW ALL OF THESE REQUIREMENTS AND VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL. ADDITIONALLY, WE DO HAVE THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT WILL MEET DECEMBER 2ND THAT WILL REVIEW THE PROPOSED CHANGES IN REGARDS TO THE IMPACT ON THESE CHANGES FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHICH WILL ALL BE POSITIVE BECAUSE THESE ARE INCENTIVES TO TO HELP ALLOW THAT DEVELOPMENT. SO WITH THAT, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 20 2558 BASED UPON THE FINDINGS CONTAINED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEMORANDUM. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS? I DO HAVE A QUESTION. IT'S NOT QUITE IN HERE. HOW DID WEST MELBOURNE GET OUT OF. THEY HAVE THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT ALLOWING ANY LIVE LOCAL ACT HOUSING. HOW ARE THEY DOING. HOW ARE THEY ABLE TO DO THAT. I WOULDN'T WANT TO SAY THAT I UNDERSTAND HOW THEY'RE DOING THAT. I MEAN, BECAUSE AND THEY'RE PROUD OF IT. SO I WANTED TO KNOW THERE WAS SOME LANGUAGE IN THE ORIGINAL 2023 VERSION THAT BASICALLY IF YOU WERE A PREDOMINANTLY RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY AND I FORGET THE PERCENTAGES, THAT YOU DID HAVE SOME ABILITY TO DO THAT. BUT I THINK IT WAS LIKE IF YOU HAD LESS THAN 20% COMMERCIAL, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF. I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT WEST MELBOURNE FIT UNDER THAT THRESHOLD, BUT I DON'T I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE DOING THAT. I MEAN, BECAUSE THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN A QUESTION OF MINE, HOW THEY'VE GOTTEN OUT OF IT BECAUSE THEY HAVE IT RIGHT ON 192. YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT'S PRETTY MUCH A 100% COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OPERATION. AND THEN YOU HAVE WHAT DO THEY CALL MINTON ROAD DOWN THAT WAY.

THAT'S ALMOST ALL COMMERCIAL DOWN THAT WAY. SO I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, IF THEY'RE NOT THAT BIG OF A CITY, I JUST DIDN'T KNOW HOW THEY GOT AWAY WITH. AND THERE'S OTHER BUSINESSES, LITTLE BUSINESS PARKS INSIDE THERE. SO I WAS WONDERING HOW THEY WERE ABLE TO DO THAT. YEAH, I'M NOT AWARE. I'M GOING TO THE LEAGUE OF CITIES. I'VE SEEN SMALLER CITIES THAT HAD A THEY WERE A LOT SMALLER THAN WEST MELBOURNE, BUT YET THEY FIT INTO THE SIGN UP SHEET. YOU KNOW, THEY HAD TO THEY HAD TO FOLLOW THE LIVE LOCAL ACT. SO I WAS WONDERING HOW THAT LITTLE TOWN GOT IT. AND THEY WERE WORRIED ABOUT IT BECAUSE THEY'RE THAT WAS THEIR. SOURCE OF INCOME WAS THAT COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. SO THAT'S WHY I WAS WONDERING HOW THAT HOW THAT HAPPENED. I AND I MAY BE INCORRECT, BUT I THINK WHAT THEY HAD DONE IS RIGHT. WHEN THE LAWS WERE COME INTO EFFECT, THEY PASSED AN ORDINANCE OR SOMETHING AND THEY GOT GRANDFATHERED. I THINK I REMEMBER IT'S JUST VERY VAGUE. I KNOW I HAVE A I HAVE A CLIENT THAT HAS A PIECE OF PROPERTY IN WEST MELBOURNE, AND THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO DO THE IT'S A COMMERCIAL PIECE OF PROPERTY AND THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THE LIVE LOCAL ACT AND PEOPLE WANT IT. BUT THEY SAID, OH NO, YOU CAN'T DO IT. SO I WAS JUST WONDERING HOW THAT HOW THAT HAPPENED. RIGHT. YOU DON'T KNOW. YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND IT EITHER. YOU'VE GOTTEN THAT ONE. MR.

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LARUSSO'S GOING. YEAH. I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THEY'VE GOTTEN AWAY WITH IT. SO THAT'S ALL RIGHT. BUT WE'RE NOT DEBATING WEST MELBOURNE. BUT I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW IT HAPPENS SO THAT WHEN WE HAVE A KNOWLEDGE WHY WE'RE FOLLOWING THE RULES AND DOING THE LIVE LOCAL ACT AND THE NEXT TOWN OVER ISN'T DOING WELL, THAT'S A GOOD POINT. GOOD POINT? I'LL ASK THE MAYOR.

SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. NO SIGN UP SHEETS. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL.

ORDINANCE 20 2558. BASED UPON THE FINDINGS CONTAINED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEMORANDUM. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED?

[C.18. Ordinance No. 2025-59, Water and Sewer Impact Fees: (First Reading/Public Hearing) An ordinance amending water and sewer impact fees; amending City Code, Chapter 58, Utilities; amending Section 58-131, Water Impact Fees; and amending Section 58-242, Sewer Impact Fees; Cost of Extension.]

THAT MOTION PASSES. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 18, AN ORDINANCE AMENDING WATER AND SEWER IMPACT ORDINANCE NUMBER 20 2559. MR. CONLEY, THANK YOU, MAYOR. AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, RELATING TO WATER AND SEWER IMPACT FEES, MAKING FINDINGS AMENDING CHAPTER 58 OF THE CITY CODE ENTITLED UTILITIES AMENDING SECTION 58 131 ENTITLED WATER IMPACT FEES AND AMENDING SECTION 58 242 ENTITLED SEWER IMPACT FEES PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND INTERPRETATION, PROVIDING EFFECTIVE DATE AND PROVIDING ADOPTION SCHEDULE. OKAY. THANK YOU. REPORT ON THIS IS ROSS MCGINN. GOOD EVENING AGAIN.

MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THIS IS THE ITEM WHERE I GET TO QUIZ YOU ON HOW WELL YOU PAID ATTENTION AT BOTH WORKSHOPS. HERE WE GO. OH, I KNOW YOUR TYPE, BUT BUT YES, HERE I AM YET AGAIN, HAT IN HAND. I THINK WHAT WHAT MY MESSAGE HAS BEEN AND HAS BEEN REPEATEDLY OVER THE PAST UMPTEEN ITEMS HAS BEEN WE HAVE NOT DONE RATE STUDIES AT A RESPONSIBLE RATE OF TIME. WE'VE BEEN LONG OVERDUE FOR A VARIETY OF THESE. WE SAW THAT WITH THE WATER AND RATE STUDY BACK TWO YEARS AGO, PRIOR TO THE MOST RECENT ONE THAT WE DID, AND THIS WAS ALWAYS GOING TO BE A COMPONENT PIECE OF THIS ONE. SO THE ORDINANCE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, 20, 25, 59, IS BASICALLY GOING TO PUT INTO EFFECT WHAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED, WHICH IS TO USE THE EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES PROVISION OF THE EXISTING FLORIDA STATE STATUTE TO ALLOW US TO BEGIN CHARGING A RESPONSIBLE AMOUNT OF NEW DEVELOPMENT, TO HAVE THEM APPROPRIATELY PAY THEIR SHARE OF THE EXPANSION OF THE SYSTEM, AS WE HAVE BEEN DOING SINCE 2012, WE'VE ESSENTIALLY ALLOWED FOR MORE AND MORE OF THE SYSTEM EXISTING RATEPAYERS TO EFFECTIVELY PAY FOR. WHAT ARE SOME OF THE EXPANSION RELATED PROJECTS THAT HAVE ALLOWED NEW DEVELOPMENT TO COME ONLINE? I CAN PROBABLY WAX POETIC ABOUT THIS FOR THE NEXT HOUR. YOU'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT WHAT WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT AT THE WORKSHOPS, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO GET COUNCIL'S OPINION AND DISCUSSION ON WHAT WE'VE DISCUSSED SO FAR AND WHETHER OR NOT I CAN HELP CLARIFY ANY OF THE ITEMS BEFORE YOU. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS? TWO WORKSHOPS. YOU REALLY NAILED US, MAN. YEAH, MAN, I JUST WANTED TO GO OUT OF TOWN ON TUESDAY, BUT NOW DID THE PUBLIC HEARING NO SIGN UP SHEET FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING BRING BACK COUNCIL? GO AHEAD.

MA'AM, APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE 2025 DASH 59. AND I'LL SECOND THAT. WE HAVE A MOTION. SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE AYE, AND THAT MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. MOVED

[C.19. Discussion of continued negotiations of an Amendment to the Interlocal Agreement between the City of Melbourne, Olde Eau Gallie Riverfront Community Redevelopment Agency, and Brevard County as it relates to the Eau Gallie Parking Garage Project.]

ON TO ITEM NUMBER 19. IT'S GOING TO BE DISCUSSION OF INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT. I'M GOING TO TAKE THIS ONE. AND ACTUALLY YES I WAS GOING TO SAY MISS LAMB YOU MIGHT WANT TO TAKE THIS ONE OKAY. IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT. SO NO PLEASE. OKAY. SO THE CITY ATTORNEY AND I WENT TO THE COMMISSION MEETING LAST WEEK, ALONG WITH THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBER. SMITH WAS THERE, TOO, AND THE DEVELOPER WAS ALSO IN ATTENDANCE. BUT THREE THREE OF US SPOKE THE CITY ATTORNEY, THE MAYOR AND I SPOKE. SO, YOU KNOW, RATHER THAN READ THROUGH THE EXACT ITEM REPORT HERE, THERE REALLY WERE SEVERAL TOPICS THAT WERE KEY POINTS IN THIS INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT. AND SO I'M JUST GOING TO GO THROUGH SOME OF THEM. ONE WAS THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES. AND SO THE WAY THAT IT HAD BEEN WORDED BEFORE, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT A 300 SPACE PARKING GARAGE OR THEREABOUTS, AND 90% OF THE SPACES WERE SUPPOSED TO BE FOR PUBLIC PARKING. WE THEN WENT IN WHEN WE DID THIS LAST DRAFT, BECAUSE WITH THE PUBLIC, WITH WITH DOING THE PUBLIC PRIVATE COMPONENT OF IT AND THE HOTEL PARKING BEING, BEING BEING ADDED TO THE TOTAL NUMBER OF PARKING SPOTS, WE COULD NOT GET THE 90% THERE, YOU KNOW, THAT JUST WASN'T CONTEMPLATED BEFORE. SO IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET, WE SAID THAT WE HAD ALREADY PROPOSED 250 DEDICATED PARKING SPOTS, AND THAT WAS WHAT WAS ALREADY IN THE DRAFT AGREEMENT SINCE THAT TIME. IN LOOKING AT IT, I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE BETTER IF IT WAS 300 BEFORE AND WE SAID 90%. SO THAT

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10% IS 30. SUBTRACT THE 30 OFF THE 300. THAT'S 270. SO WE WOULD WE WERE AS FAR AS STAFF PERSPECTIVE, COMFORTABLE TO CHANGING THAT TO THE 270. AND THEN COMMISSION COMMISSIONERS HOPEFULLY WON'T FEEL LIKE THEY LOST OUT ON ANYTHING BECAUSE THAT'S THE EXACT SAME AMOUNT.

THEY ALSO TALKED ABOUT. WELL, I BROUGHT UP THAT WE PROBABLY WOULD BE ABLE TO PAY OFF THE DEBT EARLY AND THAT WE COULD AGREE TO REDUCING THE DECREASING THE DATE OF WHEN WE SUNSET. IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE 2038. I THINK WE FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH SUNSETTING AT 2033. WE CAN PAY OFF PAY OFF THE DEBT BY THEN. AND I HAVE DISCUSSED THAT WITH WITH ROSS AND HIS FINANCIAL KNOWLEDGE THERE, AND HE IS THE ONE THAT SAID THAT, THAT WE CAN DO THAT.

SO I DID MENTION THAT IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION, THEY DID BITE AT IT. THE REASON WHY IT IS SHOULD BE ATTRACTIVE TO THEM. AND I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GOOD NEGOTIATING POINT OR MAYBE, YOU KNOW, SWEETEN THE POT A LITTLE. THERE IS IF WE SUNSET FIVE YEARS EARLY, THAT IS THAT THEN MEANS THE MONEY IS NOT DEDICATED TO THAT CRA DISTRICT. AND SO THEN IT BECOMES CITY OF MELBOURNE GENERAL FUND, BREVARD COUNTY GENERAL FUND. SO IN THAT FIVE YEAR TIME FRAME, THEY THE COUNTY SERVES TO TO GAIN ABOUT $2 MILLION OF TAXES TAX REVENUE. SO IT'S IT'S A IT'S A WIN FOR THEM. THEN WE GET INTO AND BEFORE PROBABLY THE BIGGER CONVERSATION COMMISSIONER DELANEY BROUGHT UP I THINK IT WAS HER BROUGHT UP THE LID LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT. AND SO STAFF HAS INVESTIGATED THAT. AND SO IF YOU KNOW AT FIRST WE'RE LIKE WELL WE CAN PROBABLY INCORPORATE THAT IN. BUT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE SITE WITH THE PARKING GARAGE AND WHAT IS A PARKING GARAGE MADE OF MOSTLY CONCRETE, THAT COULD BE DIFFICULT. SO STAFF REACHED OUT TO COUNTY STAFF TODAY, THE NATURAL RESOURCES DEPARTMENT AND SAID, OKAY, YOU KNOW, WE LOOKED UP WHAT YOUR LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT RULES ARE. HOW DO YOU SEE THAT HAPPENING? AND BASICALLY LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT IS MORE FOR LIKE A PROPERTY THAT'S VIRGIN LAND. OR IF YOU'RE DOING LIKE A COMPLETE REDEVELOPMENT OF A AT LEAST A BLOCK OR SO, A MUCH BIGGER AREA.

SO WE THINK WHAT MAYBE WAS INTENDED WAS GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE INSTEAD OF LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT, BECAUSE THAT'S MORE APPROPRIATE FOR A REDEVELOPMENT SITE. BUT THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY OPTION HERE. AND REALLY WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR IS ADDITIONAL NUTRIENT REMOVAL. AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE STILL DON'T HAVE ENOUGH OF THE DETAILS IRONED OUT FOR THE CONSTRUCTION YET, BUT IT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD CONSIDER. BUT I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT TOTALLY LOCKING US INTO LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT, BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE THAT IT IS SOMETHING WE'D HAVE TO WORD IT SUCH THAT, IF APPLICABLE, OR IF ELIGIBLE, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. AND WHEN STAFF SPOKE TO THE COUNTY STAFF, THEY THEY AGREED WHEN THEY HEARD WHAT WAS GOING TO GO ON THE SITE. SO THEN THE MAIN TOPIC SEEMED TO BE ABOUT PARKING, FREE PARKING. AND THERE'S SEVERAL COMPONENTS TO IT. BUT I THINK IF WE TALK ABOUT THE BIGGEST ONE FIRST, THE THE BIGGEST ONE IS THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT OR I SHOULD SAY THE MOST RECENT AGREEMENT. WELL, THE THE EXISTING AGREEMENT, THE EXISTING AGREEMENT SAYS FREE PARKING FOR A PERIOD OF 50 YEARS. SO IN THE THE REVISED AND RESTATED AGREEMENT, THE DRAFT WE HAD PROPOSED FOR A PERIOD OF FIVE YEARS UNTIL AND UNTIL A PARKING MANAGEMENT STUDY HAD BEEN DONE. YOU KNOW, WE WERE THINKING ABOUT LIKE WHAT WE WERE WHAT WE WERE DOING IN DOWNTOWN MELBOURNE AT THE TIME, AND WE WERE MOVING ALONG. AND JUST SO THERE'S NO NO ONE MISTAKING THIS, THE, THE WE WEREN'T CHARGING PARKING TO CREATE SOME HUGE AMOUNT OF REVENUE. WE WERE WE WOULD BE CHARGING PARKING TO MAINTAIN THE BUILDING. WE'D SET THE RATES SO THAT WE HAD MAINTENANCE. SO THE DRAFT AGREEMENT THAT WE HAD PROPOSED HAD A TIME FRAME OF FIVE YEARS. I THINK THAT DIFFERENTIAL BETWEEN FIVE YEARS AND 50 YEARS SEEMED. AND I'M, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE COMMISSIONERS, BUT WHAT I HEARD THAT SEEMED LIKE IT WAS A LITTLE TOO TOO MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE. I DON'T KNOW IF WE TRY MORE TO MEET HALFWAY IN THE MIDDLE. IF WE SAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO COMPLETELY, YOU KNOW, WE'LL GO BACK TO THE 50 YEARS JUST AS COUNCIL. WE NEED TO YOU NEED TO REALLY THINK ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS TO THE BUDGET AND, AND HOW THAT SETS US UP FOR THE FUTURE. YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING AT OUR OUR PARKING GARAGE. WE HAVE JUST RIGHT HERE IN THE PARKING LOT. AND THAT PARKING GARAGE, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST FIVE, TEN YEARS, IT'S JUST ROUTINE MAINTENANCE. YOU START GETTING TO ABOUT THE 15 YEAR MARK. YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME OF THE METAL PLATES, SOME OF THE JOINTS, AND YOU START DOING REPAIRS LIKE THAT. SO IF WE WERE TO GO TO COMPLETELY FREE PARKING IN THE GARAGE FOR THE 50 YEARS, I DO HAVE TO WARN YOU THAT WHEN WE