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I'M GONNA START OUR WORKSHOP TODAY FOR NOVEMBER 13TH.
UH, KEVIN, WOULD YOU DO, UH, THE ROLL CALL? COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH HERE.
COUNCIL MEMBER LARUSSO IS NOT IN THE CHAMBER AT THE MOMENT.
UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BASSETT HERE.
AND MAYOR AEY IS OUT OF TOWN FOR AIRPORT BUSINESS.
ALRIGHT, MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER THREE, PRESENTATION OF WATER AND SEWER IMPACT FEE STUDY AND EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES.
ROSS, GOOD EVENING, VICE MAYOR.
UH, I'D LIKE TO TAKE THIS MOMENT TO INTRODUCE TREVOR MCCARTHY OF REF TEIS FINANCIAL CONSULTANTS, LLC.
UH, REF TALLIS HAS BEEN A, UH, ASSISTING US WITH BOTH THE WATER RATE STUDY AS WELL AS THE IMPACT FEE PORTION OF THE WATER RATE STUDY.
UH, AND AT THIS MOMENT, I'D LIKE TO BRING HIM UP HERE TO WALK YOU THROUGH THE PRESENTATION THAT WE HAVE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.
UM, AGAIN, MY NAME'S TREVOR MCCARTHY AND I'M WITH REV TELLIS.
SO WE WERE, I WAS HERE IN, UM, AUGUST TO DISCUSS THE RATE STUDY AND WE PROMISED THAT WE WOULD COME BACK AND SHARE THE RESULTS, UM, OF THE UPDATED IMPACT FEE STUDY.
AND WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BE PRESENTING, UM, SOME INFORMATION THAT, THAT STAFF AND I BELIEVE ARE EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES.
AND THIS RELATES TO HOW IMP UH, IMPACT FEES ARE IMPLEMENTED, UM, PER FLORIDA STATUTE.
UM, SO A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND.
UM, THE, THE FEES WERE LAST UPDATED IN 2012, YET THE, THE CITY HAS CONTINUED TO MAKE SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENTS IN UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE AND HAS SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENTS, UM, PLANNED FOR THE NEXT FIVE TO SIX YEAR PERIOD, OVER $500 MILLION IN INVESTMENTS OVERALL AND NEARLY $245 MILLION IN PLANNED CAPITAL INVESTMENTS RELATED TO TREATMENT AND TRANSMISSION ASSETS.
THESE ARE THE TYPE OF ASSETS THAT WE RECOVER THE COST FOR IN THE IMPACT FEE, UM, STUDY.
SO YOU'LL, YOU'LL RECOGNIZE SOME OF THOSE MAJOR PROJECTS ON, ON THERE THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN YOUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
SO WHAT ARE THE, THE PURPOSE OF IMPACT FEES? THESE ARE FEES PAID BY NEW PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT THAT CREATE DEMAND FOR PUBLIC FACILITIES, UM, IN THIS CASE, WATER AND WASTEWATER SYSTEM CAPACITY.
UH, THE FEES ARE USED TO PAY FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS OR DEBT SERVICE THAT, THAT, UH, BENEFIT GROWTH RELATED FACILITIES.
SO, UM, THE, THE CITY HAS HISTORICALLY USED THESE FEES TO PAY, OR EXCUSE ME, THE, THE UTILITY HAS HISTORICALLY USED THESE FEES TO PAY FOR DEBT SERVICE.
THAT THE EXPANSION RELATED PORTION OF THAT, WHICH I THINK IS A GOOD, A GOOD USE OF THE IMPACT FEES.
OF COURSE, THEY CAN BE USED FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS AS AS WELL AND OFFSET FUTURE BORROWING NEEDS.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, ANOTHER PURPOSE OF THESE FEES IS THEY AVOID BURDENING, BURDENING EXISTING RATE PAYERS WITH GROWTH RELATED COST.
SO IT'S THIS CONCEPT OF, OF GROWTH, PAYING FOR GROWTH, NOT PUTTING THAT ON THE CURRENT RATE PAYERS TO PAY FOR EXPANSION RELATED PROJECTS.
SO, SOME CRITERIA RELATED TO THE IMPACT FEES, THEY MUST BE EQUITABLE TO ALL PARTIES OR THEY HAVE TO MEET WHAT'S KNOWN AS THE DUAL RATIONAL NEXUS TEST.
THE FEES MUST BE BASED UPON A REASONABLE LEVEL OF SERVICE.
SO IN THIS CASE, THE LEVEL OF SERVICE IS 240 GALLONS PER DAY PER, UH, CUSTOMER.
AND THE FEES CANNOT BE USED FOR WHAT GENERAL, WHAT WOULD GENERALLY BE CONSIDERED OPERATING EXPENSES? AGAIN, THEY CAN ONLY BE USED FOR, FOR CAPITAL OR EXPANSION, UM, OR EX OR DEBT RELATED, UM, TO EXPANSION.
SO HOW DO WE ACTUALLY CALCULATE IMPACT FEES? WHILE THIS, WHILE THERE'S THREE MAJOR COMPONENTS, THE FIRST COMPONENT IS, UH, DETERMINING THE CAPITAL INVESTMENT TO BE RECOVERED.
AND, AND THIS IS KIND OF WHERE THE BULK OF THE ANALYSIS COMES IN ON OUR PART.
AND, AND SO WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS A DETAILED LIST OF FIXED ASSETS THAT THE ASSET RECORDS AND, AND CATEGORIZE THEM AND, UM, DONE THE SAME THING WITH THE, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
SO WE DETERMINE WHAT ARE THE EXPANSION RELATED COSTS TO BE RECOVERED.
UM, THE CAPACITY, THIS IS IN THIS CASE, IT'S THE EXISTING CAPACITY OF THE WATER AND WASTEWATER PLANT AND ANY PLANNED CAPACITY.
SO YOU HAVE A FIVE MGD EXPANSION ON THE WASTE ON THE WATER SIDE, EXCUSE ME.
UM, SO THAT'S BEEN FACTORED INTO THIS AS WELL.
SO, UM, THOSE, THOSE FIRST TWO VARIABLES, YOU GET A, YOU GET A COST PER GALLON AND THAT COST PER GALLON IS MULTIPLIED BY YOUR, YOUR LEVEL OF SERVICE, THAT 240 GALLONS PER DAY TO GET YOUR IMPACT FEE.
AND, AND WE'LL SHOW YOU THE CALCULATION HERE IN A FEW SLIDES.
UM, A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE, THE CAPITAL INVESTMENT SIDE AND, AND WHAT GOES INTO
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THE IMPACT FEES.SO THE, THESE FEES RECOVER THE COST OF SUPPLY TREATMENT AND BACKBONE TRANSMISSION, UM, AND, AND EXISTING ASSETS WITH AVAILABLE CAPACITY TO SERVE NEW GROWTH.
THEY DO NOT INCLUDE LOCAL OR ONSITE DISTRIBUTION OR COLLECTION.
SO THOSE, THOSE SMALLER LINES RUNNING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ARE, THAT ARE TYPICALLY, UH, CONTRIBUTED BY DEVELOPERS, THOSE ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THESE, IN THESE FEES.
WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT RECOVERING ANY COSTS THAT THE, THAT THE, UM, THAT THE CITY DIDN'T, UH, BORE BY THEMSELVES, LIKE GRANT FUNDED COST OR, OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, AND THE PROPOSED FEES ARE BASED ON THE ADOPTED LEVEL OF SERVICE, WHICH I MENTIONED FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER IS 240 GALLONS PER DAY PER ERC.
AND SO, UM, HOW, HOW ARE ERCS DETERMINED? WHAT, WHAT IS AN ERC? AN AN ERC IS, IS, IS REALLY DEFINED AS AN INDIVIDUAL METERED SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
YOU CAN SEE THAT'S ONE ERC HERE.
AND THEN THE VARIOUS OTHER RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS HERE HAVE, HAVE, HAVE A DIFFERENT ERC FACTOR.
SO, UM, A, A DUPLEX WITH ONE OR TWO BEDROOMS, IT'S 0.833 PER OF AN ER AND YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENT LEVELS THERE.
ON COMMERCIAL, YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU HAVE SOMETHING WHICH I'LL CALL A BUSINESS ATTRIBUTES APPROACH.
AND THE EXAMPLE I'LL USE FROM, FROM YOUR, UM, CONCURRENCY STANDARDS IS A MOVIE THEATER.
THIS, AND, AND THIS WOULD BE, UH, 0.01 ERCS PER SEAT.
UM, SO THERE'S A, THERE'S, THERE'S A COMMERCIAL'S A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED.
THERE'S A, THERE'S A, A, A LIST OF DIFFERENT BUSINESS TYPES AND BASED ON THAT BUSINESS TYPES, UM, DEMAND HAS BEEN DETERMINED FOR THOSE TYPES OF BUSINESSES.
AND, AND THERE'S VARIOUS FACTORS LIKE THAT, LIKE THAT EXAMPLE.
UM, SO THIS IS OUR PROPOSED WATER IMPACT FEE.
UM, WE'VE INCLUDED 300, ALMOST $322 MILLION IN ASSETS.
YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING AND PLANNED CAPACITY THERE, 28 MGD.
AND WE'RE GETTING A FEE OF, UH, $2,755 PER EQUIVALENT RESIDENTIAL CONNECTION.
ON THE WASTEWATER SIDE, WE'VE INCLUDED A LITTLE OVER $217 MILLION IN ASSETS.
AGAIN, THIS IS EXISTING TREATMENT FACILITIES AND TRANSMISSION FACILITIES AND, AND, AND THOSE PLANNED IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
THERE'S A 12 AND A HALF MGD OF CAPACITY, AND WE'RE GET, AND WE'RE CALCULATING A FEE OF $4,165 PER ERC.
AND I'VE GOT THESE SHOWN ON A SINGLE SLIDE FOR YOU COMPARED TO THE EXISTING FEES.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE, UH, PROPOSING THAT THE FEES, UH, ON A COMBINED BASIS INCREASE FROM $3,750 PER ERC TO $6,920, UH, PER ERC.
BEFORE WE LOOK AT A COMPARISON OF, OF, OF THESE PROPOSED FEES TO OTHER UTILITIES, I JUST WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHY FEES MIGHT DIFFER AMONG UTILITIES.
UM, IT HAS A LOT TO DO WITH THINGS LIKE THE SOURCE OF SUPPLY.
UM, THIS, THE CITY RIGHT NOW IS IN A, IN A PROCESS OF GOING FROM, FROM ONE SOURCE OF SUPPLY TO ANOTHER SURFACE WATER TO MORE TOWARDS GROUNDWATER.
UM, DO YOU HAVE ADVANCED WASTEWATER TREATMENT, RO VERSUS LIME SOFTENING ALL THESE, ALL THESE CONTRIBUTE TO COST, AVAILABILITY OF GRANT FUNDING, UTILITY LIFECYCLE.
ARE YOU IN A GROWTH PHASE OR A MATURE UTILITY THAT'S PRIMARILY DOING RENEWAL AND REPLACEMENT.
AND, AND WHAT I DIDN'T LIST ON HERE WAS WHEN THE FEE WAS LAST UPDATED.
THAT'S ANOTHER VERY IMPORTANT FACTOR.
SO, SO KEEP THAT IN MIND WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS, UH, NEXT SLIDE.
AND SO THIS IS OUR, UH, OUR COMPARISON OF IMPACT FEES AT, AT ONE ERC.
WE SEE THE SURVEY AVERAGE IS $4,970.
UM, AND AGAIN, WE'RE TA WE'RE PROPOSING A FEE OF $6,920 ON A COMBINED BASIS.
I, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T HAVE INFORMATION OR DATES ON WHEN ALL OF THESE FEES WERE ADOPTED, BUT I DO KNOW THAT ST.
LUCIE COUNTY AND THE CITY OF PORT ST.
LUCIE ARE RELATIVELY RECENT AND THOSE ARE OVER THERE ON THE FAR RIGHT SIDE OF, OF THIS COMPARISON.
AND THE CITY OF OR FORT PIERCE UTILITIES AUTHORITY IS PLANNING TO, UM, COMMISSION A STUDY.
AND ON THIS NEXT SLIDE, WE HAVE ACTUALLY RECENTLY ADOPTED IMPACT FEES.
AND, AND SO THESE ARE ONES WE KNOW, WE KNOW
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THE ADOPT ADOPTION DATE.THEY'RE WITHIN THE LAST, UM, THREE YEARS GENERALLY, AND, AND SOME MORE RECENT.
AND YOU CAN SEE IF YOU LOOK AT THAT FAR RIGHT COLUMN, THE FEES ARE ANYWHERE FROM SEVEN TO $12,000 PER ERC.
SO, UM, THE PROPOSED FEE AT $6,920 FOR THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, WE'RE SEEING THESE FEE FEES INCREASES IN OTHER COMMUNITIES TOO.
UM, IT'S, IT'S LARGELY DRIVEN BY INFLATION POPULATION GROWTH.
SO WE DISCUSSED THE, THE PURPOSES OF THE FEE, HOW THE FEES ARE DEVELOPED, THE PROPOSED FEES.
NOW WE WANT TO, NOW I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE PHASE IN LIMITATIONS.
AND, AND THIS IS ACCORDING TO, UH, TO FLORIDA.
STATUTE INCREASES IN IN THE FEES, UP TO 25% MUST BE IMPLEMENTED OVER TWO EQUAL INSTALLMENT OR EQUAL, UH, EQUAL ANNUAL INCREMENTS.
FEES BETWEEN 25 AND 50% MUST BE IMPLEMENTED OVER FOUR INSTALLMENTS AND FEES MAY NOT EXCEED 50%.
UM, OVER A FOUR YEAR PERIOD, THE FEES THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING ARE, UM, ABOUT A 79% INCREASE ON THE WATER IMPACT FEE AND AN 88% INCREASE IN THE WASTEWATER IMPACT FEE.
UM, SO, BUT THE FLORIDA STATUTE DOES ALLOW FOR A FINDING, UM, BY THE CITY COUNCIL IN THIS CASE OF EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES AND, AND FOR WHICH YOU CAN AVOID THOSE PHASE IN LIMITATIONS.
AND SO NOW I'D LIKE TO, TO PRESENT WHAT STAFF AND I BELIEVE ARE SOME OF THOSE EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES.
UH, THE FIRST IS SIGNIFICANT INFLATION IN THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION FINAL.
THE FINAL BIDS ARE, ARE SIGNIFICANTLY EXCEEDING INITIAL ESTIMATES.
UM, STAFF PRESENTED ME SOME INFORMATION WHERE, YOU KNOW, MANY OF THESE LARGER PROJECTS HAVE INCREASED FROM, FROM 70% TO, TO OVER 200% IN COST OVER, OVER THE PLANNING CYCLE FROM, YOU KNOW, INITIAL ESTIMATES TO BID.
AND, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, THE NEW WATER PLANT CAPACITY.
THAT FIVE MGD OF CAPACITY IS ABOUT COST ABOUT $17 PER GALLON COMPARED TO THE EMBEDDED COST TODAY OF LESS THAN $6 PER GALLON.
UM, AND AGAIN, JUST POINT BACK TO THE CIP.
THE CIP IS OVER $500 MILLION COMPARED TO $300 MILLION IN 2023.
A LOT OF THESE ARE THE, THE SAME PROJECTS JUST HAVE UPDATED COST, UM, IN, IN, IN THIS LATEST VERSION OF THE CUSTOMER OR IN, IN THE, UH, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
UH, THE SECOND FACTOR FACTOR IS CUSTOMER GROWTH.
WE'VE RECEIVED NEW INFORMATION THAT SUGGESTS RES THERE THERE COULD BE OVER 5,000 UNITS OF, UM, UH, UH, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
AND THIS IS, THIS IS OVER THREE TIMES OF, UH, THREE TIMES THE CITY'S 10 YEAR AVERAGE.
SO WE THINK THAT'S A, WE THINK THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT FACTOR IN, IN, IN, IN THE NEED TO INCREASE THESE IMPACT FEES AS WELL.
UM, ANOTHER FACTOR IS, IS IS THIS, UM, THIS EXPANSION RELATED DEBT.
SO THE CITY HAS EXISTING DEBT THAT, UM, IMPACT FEES ARE PLEDGED TO PAY FOR AND PLANS TO ISSUE OVER $290 MILLION IN NEW DEBT OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS TO FUND SYSTEM IMPROVEMENT.
SO THESE, UM, THESE IMPACT FEES CAN BE USED TO PAY FOR DEBT AND ARE IN FACT, UH, A, A, UM, PLEDGED FOR THE REPAYMENT OF, OF DEBT.
AND, AND FINALLY WE HAVE A SLIDE THAT JUST SHOWS THE, THE OPPORTUNITY COST IF YOU HAVE TO PHASE IN THE FEES VERSUS IF YOU, UM, HAVE AN, YOU KNOW, HAVE AN EFFECTIVE DATE THIS YEAR, IMPLEMENTING THE FULL, IMPLEMENTING THE FULL FEE, THE OPPORTUNITY COST OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS IS ALMOST $10 MILLION.
SO THIS IS ANOTHER, UM, EXTRAORDINARY FACTOR.
SO THIS, ESSENTIALLY, THIS IS NEARLY $10 MILLION THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE PAID FOR BY RATE PAYERS SHOULD THE IMPACT FEES, UM, NOT BE ABLE TO BE ADJUSTED.
UM, SO, SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING, UM, THAT THE, THE CITY'S COUNCIL CONSIDER OUR IMPACT FEES OF $2,755 PER ERC FOR WATER, $4,165 PER ERC FOR WASTEWATER AND TO IMPLEMENT THE FEES MEETING THE EXTRAORDINARY
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CIRCUMSTANCE, EX EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCE REQUIREMENTS TO, TO COMPLY WITH WITH FLORIDA STATUTE.AND THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
I, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
ALRIGHT, BEFORE WE GET INTO DISCUSSION AND PUBLIC COMMENT, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF SPECIFICALLY ON THIS, SIR? OKAY, SO YOU JUST EXPLAINED THE EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES.
SO, UH, HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING, IF WE DID NOT HAVE THOSE EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES, ARE YOU, WOULD YOU BE SAYING THAT THE FEES COULD STAY THE SAME BECAUSE YOU JUST SAID A 79% AND 88% INCREASE? UH, WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU HAVE THEN RECOMMENDED THAT THEY COULD HAVE STAYED THE SAME OR WOULD THERE STILL HAVE BEEN A SLIGHTLY ONLY HIGHER INCREASE? UM, THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO INCREASE AS MUCH.
AND THAT'S WHAT, AND THAT'S, AND THAT IS WHAT WE'RE SHOWING IN THIS SLIDE HERE.
SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO, THE FEES COULD ONLY GO UP 50% OVER FOUR YEARS AND YOU WOULD HAVE TO PHASE THOSE, YOU'D HAVE TO PHASE THOSE IN, IN, IN EQUAL DOLLAR INCREMENTS.
SO THERE'D BE A MUCH SLOWER PHASE IN PROCESS.
LET ME, LET ME PARSE THAT QUESTION IN, INTO, INTO TWO PARTS.
THE REF TELLIS RATE STUDY IS SHOWING THAT THE ERC, THE PER ERC, UM, IMPACT THE WATER AND WASTEWATER IMPACT FEES SHOULD BE AT.
AND TREVOR, IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO ONE OF THE SLIDES THAT SHOWS, SHOWS THE NUMBERS, CITIES MM-HMM
SO BASED, BASED ON OUR UNDERLYING COSTS, COST FOR CONSTRUCTION, COST FOR EXPANSION, COST FOR DEBT SERVICE, AND EXPECTED EXPANSION AND NEEDS FOR THE NEXT FIVE TO 10 YEARS, THE RELLA STUDY IS SHOWING THAT WE NEED TO INCREASE OUR WATER AND WASTEWATER IMPACT FEES FROM THE AMOUNTS YOU SEE ON THE FIRST ROW TO THE AMOUNTS YOU SEE ON THE SECOND ROW.
BECAUSE OF THAT, BECAUSE OF THAT LEVEL OF INCREASE, THE ONLY WAY TO INCREASE THOSE AMOUNTS TO THAT LEVEL WITHOUT THE, UM, IMPLEMENTATION PHASE INS, THAT THE, THAT THE STATE STATUTE CONTEMPLATES IS TO FIND EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES.
WHICH IS WHY AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING WE ASKED TO HOLD THESE TWO WORKSHOPS TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER, ARE THERE EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES TO SKIP THE PHASE IN PROCESS AND TO IMPLEMENT THESE, UH, 90, WITHIN 90 DAYS AFTER ADOPTION OF, OF AN ORDINANCE.
RIGHT? SO THAT'S SORT OF THE TIMING OF, OF WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY AND, AND, AND WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
AND IF WE, YOU KNOW, IF COUNSEL DECIDES THAT IT'S NOT EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES, STAFF WILL THEN PRESENT TO GO TO THE FULL 50% THAT CAN BE PHASED IN OVER THE FOUR YEARS ALLOWED BY STATE STATUTE.
HOWEVER, I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT, UM, TREVOR JUST PRESENTED.
IF WE GO THAT ROUTE, WE STAND TO LOSE WHAT DID, WHAT DID YOU SAY? 10 MILLION? YEAH, ALMOST $10 MILLION.
AND THAT COST WOULD THEN BE AN IMPACT.
I MEAN, IN THE REALITY IS WHERE IS THE MONEY GOING TO COME FROM? AND THEN OUR EXISTING, UM, RATE PAYERS WOULD, THAT WOULD GET FACTORED INTO ANY TYPE OF RATE INCREASE BECAUSE WE'D NEED TO COME UP WITH THAT $10 MILLION FOR THESE PLANNED ACTIVITIES.
NO, THAT, THAT THOROUGHLY ANSWERS MY QUESTION.
SO AGAIN, THIS, THIS IS GOING TO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, AN UNDERLYING DISCUSSION OF ARE THERE EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES? UNFORTUNATELY, THAT TERM IS NOT DEFINED IN THE STATUTE MM-HMM
RIGHT? AND SO, UM, FROM THE LITTLE CASE LAW THAT WE, THAT WE HAVE AND THE, AND THE GUIDANCE THAT WE HAVE, RIGHT? WE'RE LOOKING, WE'RE WE'RE TRYING TO ESTABLISH THAT, AGAIN, SIGNIFICANT INCREASES IN CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND INFLATIONS IN, IN THOSE COSTS.
AND WE'RE, AND WE'RE SEEING THAT THROUGH ALL OF THE CIP PROJECTS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE OUT THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE PUTTING OUT, RIGHT? SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASE, UM, BIDS AND, AND COST PROJECTIONS ON THOSE PROJECTS.
UM, THE, UH, PROJECTED GROWTH THAT WE'RE LIKELY TO SEE WITH SOME OF THE LARGER RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS THAT ARE STARTING TO COME ONLINE AND ARE, AND ARE PROJECTED FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
AND SO AGAIN, RIGHT, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY, THEORETICALLY FOR THE GROWTH TO PAY FOR THE GROWTH, UM, OR AT LEAST PAY MORE OF ITS FAIR SHARE OF THE GROWTH RATHER THAN EXISTING RATE PAYERS TO, TO PAY SOME OF THIS.
AND SO, AGAIN, RIGHT, I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS ON A VERY CRUNCH TIMELINE.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS FROM DISCUSSION BETWEEN OUR OFFICE AND FINANCE DIRECTOR, UM, CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE TO GO, HANG ON A SECOND.
THE LAW'S GONNA CHANGE JANUARY 1ST, 2026 TO WHERE, AND, AND IT'S, AND IT'S IN, IT'S IN THE, THE STAFF REPORT, RIGHT? WHEREAS RIGHT NOW, UM, REQUIRES A TWO THIRDS VOTE AND, AND WE CAN SKIP THESE IMPLEMENTATION, UH, THE, UH, THE STEP UP AND THE, AND THE, UH, SOFT, YOU KNOW,
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INCREASES OVER TIME COME JANUARY 1ST, 2026, EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES WOULD REQUIRE A UNANIMOUS VOTE OF COUNCIL AND THERE WOULD STILL BE A PHASE IN IMPLEMENTATION OVER TIME, RIGHT? WE WOULDN'T, WE WOULDN'T BE IN A POSITION TO DO THIS, WHAT 79% INCREASE ON AVERAGE, UH, YOU KNOW, ALL, ALL AT ONCE.WE WOULD HAVE TO PHASE IT IN OVER A FOUR YEAR PERIOD.
AND THAT AGAIN GOES TO, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH THOSE COSTS NOT BEING PAID BY NEW GROWTH AND NEW NEW USERS THROUGH THAT IMPACT, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE ABSORBED BY EXISTING RATE PAYERS AND OTHER, AND OTHER REVENUE SOURCES.
HAPPY TO HAVE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PURPOSE OF THIS WORKSHOP IS FOR COUNCIL TO DISCUSS ARE THERE EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES, HEAR INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC ON WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES, YOU KNOW, THE IMPACTS OF INCREASING IMPACT FEES.
BUT I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, AND I'LL, I'LL DEFER MORE TO THE, THE TECHNICAL SIDE OF THINGS, RIGHT? I THINK IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT THAT IMPACT FEES NEED TO INCREASE BASED ON THESE COSTS AND, AND THINGS THAT WE'RE SEEING.
IT'S NOW A QUESTION OF HOW MUCH ARE THEY GOING TO INCREASE AND CAN WE JUSTIFY GOING ALL THE WAY TO, TO WHAT'S BEING RECOMMENDED IMMEDIATELY.
ANYTHING, I HAVE SOMETHING I WANTED TO ADD AND I MAY NEED TO PULL UP ROSS, OR I DON'T KNOW TREVOR MIGHT HAVE THIS ANSWER.
UM, I BELIEVE WE HAD DISCUSSED INTERNALLY THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT THE IMPACT FEES ARE WERE WHEN THEY WERE CREATED THE MOST RECENTLY, WHAT WAS THAT? 2012? 2013.
2012 WAS THE LAST TIME THEY WERE, IT WAS THE LAST TIME.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE PERCENTAGE OF THE IMPACT FEE VERSUS WHAT THE TOTAL COST OF BUILDING A NEW HOME WAS AT THAT TIME, THE PERCENTAGE OF THAT, AND I I THINK YOU HAD THOSE PERCENTAGES.
IF WE GO TO THIS FULL INCREASE, IT'S THE SAME PERCENTAGE BECAUSE IT COSTS MORE TO BUILD A NEW HOME.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE SAYING IT USED TO BE 1% AND NOW IT'S 10% OF THE TOTAL COST OF, OF THE HOME.
IT'S STILL IN THAT SAME RANGE.
AND I THINK YOU SAID IT WAS AROUND 1% OR LESS THAN 1% ON THE ROUGH MATH WE'VE SPOKEN ABOUT.
AND I THINK, TREVOR, YOU HAVE THE EXACT ONE.
Y YEAH, I JUST, I HAD SOME NUMBER, I JUST HAD SOME NUMBERS THAT I WROTE DOWN HERE, AND THIS IS OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
SO THE, THE MEDIAN HOME PRICE HAS INCREASED FROM, FROM 267,000 TO 374,000, UH, DOLLARS.
AND, AND SO, SO THIS, THIS INCREASE, SO COMPARED TO THAT INCREASE, THAT'S AN INCREASE OF 107,000.
THIS, THIS INCREASE IN THE IMPACT FEE IS WORTH 3% OF THAT INCREASE OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
NOT, NOT JUST, AND THAT'S, THAT'S JUST FIVE YEARS.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOING BACK TO 2012.
I DIDN'T, I COULDN'T PULL THE DATA FROM 2012.
IT'S MUCH LESS IF YOU LOOK OVER THAT, THAT 12 YEAR PERIOD.
BUT JUST GOING TO SHOW THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE IS JUST THAT WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT MAKING THE COST OF BUILDING A HOME MORE BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY MORE AND WE'RE JUST ABOUT A PROPORTIONAL SHARE OF WHAT IT PREVIOUSLY WAS BEFORE.
AND UM, IT, YOU, I BELIEVE, DID I HEAR THAT YOU SAID THE LAST TIME WE DID THIS WAS 20 12, 20 13, CORRECT.
IS THERE SOMETHING IN LIKE THAT WE CAN DO AS A BODY SO THAT IT'S MORE GRADUAL OVER TIME INSTEAD OF THESE BIG JUMPS? LIKE, 'CAUSE I'D IMAGINE THAT, YOU KNOW, GIVE OR TAKE, THAT MEANS THAT, LET'S SAY I'M UP HERE FOR SEVEN MORE YEARS BY THE END OF THAT, WE'D HAVE TO DO ANOTHER INCREASE AT SOME POINT TO KEEP UP WITH THE ECONOMY AND ALL THAT.
SO IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO HELP MITIGATE THESE? SO IT'S NOT MUCH FOR SHOCK IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S A TREND IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA THAT WE NEED TO DO.
SO FIRST THINGS FIRST, I THINK WE'VE PROVEN WITH BOTH THE WATER RATE STUDY OVER THE PAST COUPLE YEARS AND THIS STUDY, THE, THE, THIS PORTION OF IT, DOING RATE STUDIES ON A REGULAR BASIS AND NOT DELAYING IT BY 10 TO 15 YEARS AS WE HAD DONE, UH, IS PROBABLY THE GREATEST SIN WE HAVE COMMITTED OVER THE PAST TWO DECADES.
UH, BUT IN REALITY WHAT WE'RE GONNA WIND UP DOING, IF WE WERE TO GO WITH THE EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES ROUTE ELECT TO DO THIS INCREASE, THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO BE INCREASED FURTHER FOR ANOTHER FOUR YEAR PERIOD.
SO AT THE END OF THAT FOUR YEAR PERIOD, IT WOULD BE THOSE, IT WOULD PROBABLY BEHOOVE US TO DO A RATE STUDY AGAIN AT THAT POINT, REVIEW WHERE IT SHOULD GO FROM THERE AND THEN REGULARLY UPDATE THEM RATHER THAN HAVING TO DO SOMETHING IN THIS TYPE OF VEIN.
AND THEN, I'M NOT A ECONOMICS MAJOR BY ANY DEGREE, BUT I NOTICED THAT THE CLOSEST MUNICIPALITY THAT WE'D BE LEAPFROGGING IS PALM BAY AND WE'LL BE A LITTLE BIT AHEAD OF THEM.
IS THAT GONNA IMPACT THE GROWTH OF BUSINESS AND DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE CITY OF MELBOURNE IF WE WERE TO GO THROUGH THIS EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCE? THAT WAS KIND OF THE ARGUMENT.
IS MELBOURNE HIGHER THAN US? OH, THEY'RE RIGHT THERE.
SECOND TO THE LAST, THAT WAS THE ARGUMENT FOR THE, THE MEDIAN VALUE OF A HOME.
UH, WE'RE, WE'RE BASICALLY, IF YOU WANNA CONSIDER BUILDING A HOUSE WHERE A CONTRACTOR THAT HASN'T RAISED THEIR PRICE IN MM-HMM
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WE'VE BEEN THE ONLY PERSON THAT HAS KEPT THE COST THE SAME NO MATTER HOW, WHEN, HOW, OR WHEN YOU BUILT THE HOUSE.SO IF WE'RE FINALLY REALIZING THE TRUE VALUE OF WHAT THAT COST THE CITY OF MELBOURNE TO, TO ADD THAT ADDITIONAL CAPACITY, MAINTAIN THAT, UH, CAPACITY MM-HMM
UH, THIS IS WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOING ALL ALONG.
AND I IMAGINE IF YOU ARE IN ANY OF THOSE COMMUNITIES TO THE LEFT OF US, OR AT LEAST TO THE LEFT OF WHAT IS RECOMMENDED THERE BY RALPH TELLIS, IF THEY HAVEN'T ALREADY REALIZED THAT THE LAW WAS CHANGING AND HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS, THEY'RE GONNA BE KICKING THEMSELVES FOR NOT HAVING DONE IT.
ANYBODY OVER HERE, MIMI? I JUST REQUEST THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH WHAT THE STAFF HAS SUGGESTED USING THE EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCE AND GO FORWARD WITH THAT, HAVE STAFF GO FORWARD WITH THAT.
WELL, WELL LET'S, UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE ENOUGH QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF 'CAUSE WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN WE'LL GO BACK INTO DISCUSSION TO, TO MAKE SOME SORT OF MOTION LIKE THAT.
IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF SO I CAN LET THEM GO IF WE'RE SIR, JUST ONE.
UH, DOES THIS AFFECT ANYBODY THAT'S ALREADY IN THE SYSTEM OR THIS IS ALL NEW BUSINESS? I'M GONNA DEFER A LITTLE BIT TO ADAM ON THIS, BUT GENERALLY IT'S GOING TO BE, IF YOU CANNOT PULL A, A BUILDING PERMIT WITH SUBSTANTIAL, UH, BACKUP TO SUPPORT PULLING THE BUILDING PERMIT WITHIN THAT, THAT 90 DAY WINDOW MM-HMM
YOU ARE NOW IN UNDER THE NEW, UH, RATE STRUCTURE.
SO THIS DOESN'T AFFECT ANYBODY THAT'S ALREADY COMMITTED? NO.
IF YOU HAVE A BUILDING PERMIT OR IF YOU PULL A BUILDING PERMIT WITHIN THE NEXT 90 DAYS BEYOND THE EFFECTIVE DATE, IT IS, IT IS STILL AT THE SAME OLD OLD RATE.
SO ONCE THIS PASSES, THEN IT'LL GO INTO DAY ONE AFTER COUNCIL SAYS YES OR NO.
WELL, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE, UH, 90 DAYS AFTER WE HAVE THE DECEMBER 9TH MEETING, WERE WE TO GO THROUGH THE FIRST AND SECOND READINGS AS PLANNED.
SO IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE MARCH, UH, 10TH, THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST DATE THAT IT CAN GO INTO EFFECT.
I WAS JUST FEARFUL THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY WILL, NO, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT PULLING THE RUG.
IT, IT, CERTAIN, IT'S CERTAINLY NOT RETROACTIVE.
THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THERE AREN'T PROJECTS THAT HAVE SOME LEVEL OF PROGRESS PRIOR TO BUILDING PERMIT THAT MAY BE SUBJECT TO THESE NEW, CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT FURTHER FOR ME, ADAM? SURE.
'CAUSE IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT IF, IF, LET'S SAY A BC COMPANY HAS PULLED A, A BUILDING PERMIT FOR A PARTICULAR MANUFACTURING FACILITY, SO NOW THEY NO.
IF THEY, THEY WANT TO EX YEAH, PLEASE, THEY WANT TO EXTEND THAT OR EXPAND THAT BUILDING PERMIT SO THEY HAVE TO COME BACK FOR ADDITIONAL, UM, APPROVAL.
SO WE ALREADY GOT A BUILDING GOING UP AND, YOU KNOW, WE'LL JUST KNEE JERK, YOU KNOW, UH, A BC MANUFACTURING AND SO THEY WERE AT 10,000 SQUARE FEET YEAH.
SO NOW THEY, THEY COME BACK BECAUSE THEY ACQUIRED ANOTHER CONTRACT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND THEY WANT ANOTHER 10,000 SQUARE FEET, BUT IT'S AFTER THIS.
SO THEY WILL PAY THE, THE EXTENDED, UH, OR INCREASED IMPACT FEE AFTER MARCH.
IF, IF THEIR EXPANSION AND NEW BUILDING PERMIT AFTER MARCH REQUIRES ANOTHER CONCURRENCY REVIEW AND MORE IMPACT FEE PAYMENTS, THEN YES, THEY WOULD PAY THE NEW IMPACT FEE RATES ON THE EXPANSION.
I THINK, I THINK WHERE, WHERE MY HEAD WAS GOING WAS THINK OF LARGER DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS THAT WE'VE SEEN, UM, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL THAT MAY HAVE PRELIMINARY PLAT REVIEW, MAY EVEN HAVE, MAY BE WORKING TOWARDS FINAL PLAT, MAY BE WORKING TOWARDS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, RIGHT? BUT THEY'RE, THEY MAY BE FAR AWAY FROM BUILDING PERMITS, RIGHT? THEY'RE IN THE PIPELINE, BUT THEY'RE NOT IN A PLACE, THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY IN A PLACE WHERE THEY'RE ELIGIBLE FOR BUILDING PERMITS.
AND SO IF THEY DON'T GET THEIR BUILDING PERMITS BY MARCH OF 2026, THEY'RE GONNA BE SUBJECT TO THAT, TO THAT NEW IMPACT FEE.
BECAUSE AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THAT 5,000 UNITS, YOU KNOW, ANTICIPATED OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS WHERE SOME OF THE CIP PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE FOR THESE EXPANSIONS ARE FOR THOSE VERY PROJECTS.
I FIND THAT TO BE A CONUNDRUM FOR US.
IT REALLY, I MEAN, AND FOR THE DEVELOPER AS WELL TOO, THEY HAVE PLANNED, UH, SIX, EIGHT MONTHS OR 10 OR, OR A YEAR OUT.
UH, AND THEN WE'RE CHANGING THAT I I THROWING IT OUT THERE FOR CONVERSATION.
AND THAT'S, I CONCERN MYSELF AND THAT, AND THAT WOULD BE, AND THAT WOULD DEFINITELY BE A FURTHER CONVERSATION ON, ITS ON THE APPLICABILITY OF NEW IMPACT FEE RATES IF COUNCIL EVEN GAVE DIRECTION TO, TO HAVE US DRAFT AN ORDINANCE AND PREPARE IT FOR OUR, OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING ON NOVEMBER 25TH.
UM, WELL, IT APPEARS THAT IT'S GOING THAT WAY.
SO, AND, AND AGAIN, RIGHT? OR IT HAS TO GO THAT WAY.
I DON'T HAVE IT IN MY BACK POCKET, DO YOU? AND, AND THAT'S KIND OF THE THING, RIGHT? IS I, THE, I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK THOSE DEVELOPERS IN THOSE EARLY STAGES OF DEVELOPMENT REALLY HAVE A VESTED INTEREST OR, OR A ECONOMIC BACKED EXPECTATION ON THE IMPACT FEES THAT THEY'RE, THAT THEY'RE TO PAY.
AND AGAIN, I THINK THIS DATA IS SHOWING THAT IF, IF THESE RATES ARE NOT INCREASED, THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT WILL BE OBTAINING A BENEFIT ON THE BACKS OF EXISTING RATE PAYERS.
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WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE, UH, UH, THE ORGANIC GROWTH THAT'S GOING ON AT THE AIRPORT RIGHT NOW AND THE, UM, UH, THE LARGER, UM, RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING BEFORE US, RIGHT? I, I DON'T WANT TO NAIL THEM, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY AFTER MARCH AND SAY, HEY, SORRY FOR YOUR BAD LUCK, BUT PAY UP, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT ME.I'M, I'M, AGAIN, THIS IS ALL OUT LOUD.
AND, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, YOU KNOW, AND FIGURE IT OUT AS WE GO ALONG.
BUT I WOULD BE HESITANT TO APPROVE IF THERE'S ALREADY SOMETHING IN THE PIPELINE AND THEN WANT TO EXTEND, EXPAND THAT PROPERTY OR EXPAND THAT CONSTRUCTION, UH, TO TACK IT ON AFTER THAT.
BUT GOT A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BEFORE I GO TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION? SEEING NONE, UH, DO I HAVE ANY SIGNUP SHEETS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT REGARD? I, I DON'T HAVE ANY FOR THE WORKSHOP.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE FORMS TURNED IN ARE FOR THE REGULAR MEETING, SO NOT, OKAY.
ALRIGHT, SO NOT FOR THE WORKSHOP.
I FORGET, ADAM, DO I CALL THIS A PUBLIC HEARING OR NOT OPEN AND CLOSE IT? Y YEAH.
AND, AND, UH, I THINK MAYBE GIVE PEOPLE A LAST OPPORTUNITY IF THEY WANNA FILL IN A, A COMMENT CARD FOR, FOR THESE PURPOSES.
ALRIGHT, SO I'M OPENING THE PUBLIC MEETING.
UH, ARE THERE ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO DO A COMMENT CARD FOR THE IMPACT FEES WORKSHOP? SEEING NONE.
I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC MEETING.
ALRIGHT, LET'S HAVE A DISCUSSION ON MOVING FORWARD.
MY ONLY QUESTION TO STAFF ON THE MOVING FORWARD PIECE IS, SO IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, CAN, UH, CAN YOU GIVE ME THE, THE STEPS OF WHAT THIS, UM, LOOKS LIKE? WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH ANOTHER WORKSHOP AND COULD YOU JUST GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS? YEAH.
THIS, THE STAT, THIS IS THE FIRST OF TWO WORKSHOP MEETINGS, UM, THAT ARE REQUIRED BY THE STATUTE.
UM, AND THEN WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS AFTER THE NEXT WORK, IF, IF COUNSEL SAYS YES, IT'S, IT'S WORTHY OF US HAVING THAT SECOND WORKSHOP AND CONSIDERING, UH, INCREASES AND FINDING EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES, WE WOULD PREPARE, UH, AN ORDINANCE, UM, FOR, UH, COUNSEL'S CONSIDERATION TO REVISE THE STATED, UH, UH, WATER AND WASTEWATER IMPACT FEES IN CHAPTER 58 OF CODE THAT ORDINANCE WOULD PROPOSE FINDINGS, UM, MAKING FINDINGS THAT THERE ARE EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES TO, UH, INCREASE, UH, AS, AS PER THE STATUTE, UM, SO ON AND SO FORTH.
SO THE, THE ONLY, THE ONLY REAL CONSENSUS OR DIRECTION THAT WE NEED THIS EVENING, IT DOESN'T EVEN HAVE TO BE ON A, ON A VOTE BASIS, IS, IS COUNCIL, IS COUNCIL OKAY.
GIVING US DIRECTION TO HOLD THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING ON, ON NOVEMBER 25TH, SIMILAR TO THIS, UM, WHAT WE'RE DOING THIS EVENING.
AND THEN DO WE HAVE DIRECTION TO AT LEAST PREPARE AND PROPOSE A PROPOSED ORDINANCE, UM, FOR COUNCIL'S REVIEW AND CONSIDERATION FOR NOVEMBER 25TH AND DECEMBER 9TH.
SO THERE ARE NO FINAL DECISIONS MADE THIS EVENING.
THOSE ARE THE NEXT STEPS AND COUNSEL WILL HAVE TO MAKE THOSE FINDINGS.
CAN, YOU KNOW, HEAR, HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT AT ANOTHER PUBLIC WORKSHOP AS WELL AS TWO READINGS OF, OF AN ORDINANCE ON WHETHER OR NOT IT'S APPRO WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE CIRCUMSTANCES UNDER WHICH APPROPRIATE TO, UM, ADOPT INCREASED IMPACT FEES, SO ON AND SO FORTH.
AND STEP IN IF I'VE MISSED ANYTHING.
SAID IT BETTER THAN I COULD
I THINK THAT THE DISCUSSION'S AN OKAY DISCUSSION TO HAVE SEND.
DO, DO WE HAVE TO HAVE TWO THIRDS THIS EVENING? NO.
THE, IT'S NOT A VOTE THIS EVENING OR WE'RE JUST, WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR THAT DIRECTION.
IF, IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH US MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT PROCESS AS I'VE DESCRIBED IT.
JUST EVERYBODY, YOU EVERYBODY FOR IT.
WELL, IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYBODY'S FOR IT.
WE HAVE NO, WE HAVE NO WELL, TO, YEAH, NO, WE'RE, WE GOT CONSENSUS OR WE GOT CONSENSUS.
YEAH, BUT I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T DO THIS.
LIKE MR. LARUSSO SAID, WHAT'S IT GONNA COST US? I MEAN, THE WHOLE CITY OF, YOU KNOW, THE WATER USERS 10 MILLION, WE JUST, YOU KNOW.
I'M JUST KIND OF TRYING TO GET THE DEFINITION OF EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE GOING.
I, I KNOW, BUT I MEAN, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, WELL, I KNOW WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE MS. HALEY, I, I KNOW EXACTLY.
YOU KNOW, IT'S A BUSTER DRAW, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE GOT CONSENSUS.
ADAM, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU HAVE TO ADD BEFORE? NO, JUST, UH, IF, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING RIGHT, THERE IS COUNCIL CONSENSUS FOR US TO HAVE THIS NEXT, UM, WE'LL DO, WE'LL DO THE SAME THING WE DID THIS EVENING.
WE'LL DO A, ANOTHER PUBLIC, UH, WORKSHOP, UM, AT FIVE 30 ON, ON NOVEMBER 25TH PROCEEDING, UM, THE COUNCIL MEETING.
UM, IT'LL BE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC INPUT ON WHETHER OR NOT THESE EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES EXIST.
UM, AND THEN AT THE REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING ON THE 25TH, WE'LL BE FIRST READING OF THAT PROPOSED ORDINANCE AND, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION OF WHAT ARE THE INCREASES, HOW DO THEY
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APPLY, SO, SO ON AND SO FORTH.UM, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH, UH, WITH DRAFTING THAT ORDINANCE AND PLACING IT ON THE, UH, NOVEMBER 25TH, UH, COUNCIL MEETING.
MY ONLY TECHNICAL QUESTION ON THAT, SO YOU SEND OUT A MEETING NOTICE AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE TO THE PUBLIC.
IS THERE A WAY, I THINK ON A TECHNICALITY, WHATEVER HAVE YOU, LIKE, WE'RE GONNA, ONCE WE CLOSE THIS MEETING, WHICH IS WRAPPING UP AS WE SPEAK, UM, WE HAVE TO WAIT TILL SIX 30.
IS THERE ANYTHING WE COULD DO THAT, SHOULD IT BE SHORTER ABOUT 40 MINUTES AGAIN, THAT WE COULD PUT SOMETHING IN THE NOTICE TO START THE REGULAR MEETING AT DIFFERENT TIME OR, YEAH, BEFORE.
BECAUSE SHE SAID I, WE, WELL, THEY, WE CAN'T DO IT THIS TIME BECAUSE OF, OF SOME WORDAGE, SO, BUT I WANNA SEE IF WE CAN PUT THAT IN THERE.
THERE WERE, THERE WERE, BECAUSE WE USUALLY DUE FOR BUDGETS, THERE WAS, THERE WAS SOME CONFLICTS WITH SOME OTHER, UM, ADVERTISED ITEMS FOR THE REGULAR MEETING.
AND SO IT'LL BE VERY MUCH DEPENDENT UPON WHETHER OR NOT THERE'VE BEEN THERE ANY ADVERTISINGS ALREADY DONE FOR THE NOVEMBER 25TH MEETING, WHICH MAY HAVE ACTUALLY OCCURRED.
UM, SOMEBODY SAYS, YEAH, SO, SO UNFORTUNATELY PROBABLY NOT OFF, WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE PROBABLY ALREADY ADVERTISED CERTAIN QUA JUDICIAL ITEMS MM-HMM.
SO PROBABLY IN THE SAME BOAT OF, OKAY.
WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE A, WE'LL HAVE AN HOUR WINDOW FOR THIS IF NECESSARY, BUT THE REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING'S PROBABLY GONNA START AT SIX 30 AS AS USUAL.
JUST, JUST THOUGHT I'D ASK WHILE WE HAD YOU NO, YEAH.
WE, WE HAD THAT SAME DISCUSSION FOR EVEN FOR THIS MEETING, BUT WE'RE RUNNING INTO THAT, UH, ADVERTISE ITEM ISSUE.
WELL, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'VE GOT OUR STUFF.
SO I'M GONNA ADJOURN THE WORKSHOP HERE AT 6 0 8.