* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. MEETING, LET ME REVIEW THE [00:00:01] PROCEDURES FOR THE MEETING. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, COMPLETE A REQUEST TO SPEAK FORM LOCATED AT THE ENTRANCE TO THE COUNCIL CHAMBER AND SUBMIT THE COMPLETED FORM TO THE SERGEANT AT ARMS OVER HERE. WHEN YOUR NAME HAS BEEN CALLED, USE THE MICROPHONE AT THE LECTERN ON THE AUDIENCE'S RIGHT AND EITHER STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS OR YOUR NAME AND CITY. SPEAK TO CITY COUNCIL'S A BODY. DO NOT ADDRESS THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS INDIVIDUALLY. BE MINDFUL OF THE TIMER ON THE LECTERN AND WRAP UP YOUR COMMENTS BEFORE YOUR SPEAKING TIME ENDS. THE TIME LIMITS ARE POSTED ON THE REQUEST TO SPEAK FORM. AN APPLICANT REPRESENTATIVE OR PERSON WHO HAS LEGAL STANDING TO SUPPORT OR OPPOSE A QUASI-JUDICIAL MATTER WILL BE PERMITTED ENOUGH TIME AS REASONABLY DETERMINED BY THE CITY COUNCIL TO CREATE A RECORD BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL. ANY PERSON WHO MAKES PERSONAL IMPERTINENT OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS OR BECOMES BOISTEROUS OR DISRESPECTFUL WHILE ADDRESSING THE CITY COUNCIL WILL BE ORDERED TO LEAVE THE COUNCIL CHAMBER. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US THIS EVENING. WE'LL BEGIN THE VOCATION. IF YOU WISH TO PARTICIPATE, PLEASE STAND. IS MR. CRAIG HAMMOND HERE? SEEING NONE, THEN I WILL DO THE THE PRAYER. HEAVENLY FATHER, YES, THANK YOU FOR THE BLESSINGS YOU GIVE US IN THE CITY OF MELBOURNE. THANK YOU FOR OUR STAFF WHO DEDICATE THEIR CAREERS TO SERVING THE PUBLIC. THANK YOU FOR OUR ELECTED LEADERS WHO TAKE THE TIME FROM THEIR FAMILIES AND PERSONAL PURSUITS TO HELP OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU FOR OUR MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY AND THOSE WHO SHOWED UP TO OUR MEETING TODAY BY TAKING THE TIME TO ENGAGE IN OUR CITY BUSINESS AND HELP MOVE OUR CITY FORWARD BASED ON THEIR IDEAS AND EXPERIENCES AS WE NEAR ALL SAINTS AND ALL SOULS DAYS. LORD GRANT US YOUR MERCY, GRACE, AND STRENGTH FOR THOSE LIVING SAINTS AND THOSE WHO DEPARTED. WE ARE THANKFUL FOR OUR CHURCH COMMUNITY THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND FOR THEIR ENGAGEMENT AND GROWTH. LORD, WE ASK FOR YOUR STRENGTH. WE ASK FOR YOUR GUIDANCE. WE ASK FOR YOUR LOVE AS WE MAKE DECISIONS TODAY. HERE ARE THE NEEDS OF THE PUBLIC AND SERVE OUR CITY. ALL THESE THINGS WE PRAY IN JESUS' NAME. AMEN. ALRIGHT, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. UH, MR. MCEWEN, THE ROLL CALL COUNCIL MEMBER LARUSSO PRESENT. COUNCIL MEMBER BASSETT HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER HANLEY AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KENNEDY. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH HERE. VICE MAYOR NEWMAN HERE. AND MAYOR ALFRE IS NOT HERE THIS EVENING. ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA GO INTO PROCLAMATIONS AND PRESENTATIONS. MARCUS. ALL RIGHT, MS. JACKIE SMALL, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME IN FRONT AND ANY GUESTS THAT YOU HAVE WITH YOU HERE SHE IS . CONGRATULATIONS. YEAH, HOW YOU GOOD? GOOD. ALRIGHT. HERE, WE'RE GONNA LINE UP OVER HERE REAL QUICK. WE'LL SAY A FEW THINGS. ALRIGHT. FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANNA CONGRATULATE YOU, JACK COUNTY, UH, HAVING THE EXCEPTIONAL CITIZEN AWARD AND SOMETHING THAT YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW, WE ACTUALLY MADE AN EXCEPTION TO MAKE SURE YOU GOT THIS AWARD. YOU'RE THE, WE. THERE WAS ONE PERSON AS WELL AND WE SAID WE NEED TO MAKE SURE JACKIE'S AWARDED. SO WE WENT OUT OF OUR WAY TO MAKE SURE YOU GOT THIS 'CAUSE OF ALL THESE WONDERFUL THINGS YOU DO IN OUR COMMUNITY. WE ARE ABSOLUTELY GRATEFUL FOR YOU AND YOU'RE JUST SUCH A BLESSING TO US. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR EVERYTHING. AND, AND THEN I'M GONNA GIVE MARCUS THE MICROPHONE 'CAUSE HE IS GOT A FEW WORDS TO SAY AS WELL. LET ME SAY IT FIRST. , , NO, I'LL SAY IT FIRST AND THEN IT TURN IT OVER YOU. SO, UH, AGAIN, GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. THANK YOU ALL FOR JOINING US. UH, MY NAME IS MARCUS SMITH, UH, MELBOURNE CITY COUNCIL OF DISTRICT ONE. UH, BUT IT'S TRULY HONORED TO STAND HERE TONIGHT AND TO CELEBRATE SOMEONE WHO'S GIVEN OUR HEART TO THIS COMMUNITY. SOMEONE WHO I PROUDLY CALLED GMA, MISS JACKIE SMALL. IF YOU KNOW GMA, YOU ALREADY KNOW SHE'S ONE OF A KIND. SHE'S THE TYPE OF PERSON WHO SHOWS UP EARLY, STAYS LATE, AND STILL SOMEHOW FINDS TIME TO MAKE EVERYONE FEEL LOVED. WHETHER SHE'S VOLUNTEERING AT THE HISTORICAL AMERICAN LEGION POST 1 91, HELPING TO ORGANIZE COMMUNITY PROGRAMS OR SIMPLY JUST CHECKING IN ON NEIGHBORS, SHE DOES THAT A LOT, RIGHT? JACKIE LEAVES WITH HEART AND THAT HEART HAS MADE A LASTING IMPACT ON THIS CITY. SHE SERVED FAITHFULLY FOR DECADES, NOT FOR RECOGNITION OUR AWARDS, BUT BECAUSE SERVICE IS A PART OF HER DNA, WHETHER IT'S HER DAUGHTER, MARTINIA, OH, RIGHT HERE, THERE YOU'RE , HER SON KEVIN SMALLS, HER OTHER FAMILY MEMBERS. I SAID ALL KNOW THERE ARE LIVING REFLECTIONS OF HER STRENGTH, HER GRACE, AND HER UN WAVING COMMITMENT TO COMMUNITY. JACKIE'S GATHERINGS ARE NEVER JUST EVENTS. THEIR FAMILY REUNIONS. PEOPLE COME OUT BECAUSE SHE'S SHOWING UP FOR THEM ALL ALONG HER LAUGHTER, HER WISDOM, HER WARM SPIRIT, BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER AND REMIND US WHAT TRUE COMMUNITY LOOKS LIKE. HER FINGERPRINTS ARE EVERYWHERE IN MELBOURNE. AND THE SMILES SHE INSPIRED THE LIVES SHE'S TOUCHED THE SENSE OF UNITY. SHE HELPS BUILD. JACKIE IS COMMUNITY PERSONIFIED. SO TONIGHT, AS WE HONOR HER WITH THE CITY OF MELBOURNE EXCEPTIONAL CITIZEN AWARD, WE CELEBRATE NOT JUST HER SERVICE BUT HER SPIRIT, HER EXAMPLE OF LOVE, FAITH, AND DEDICATION THAT CONTINUES TO MAKE MELBOURNE STRONGER. AND SO ON BEHALF OF THE CITY, THE MAYOR'S [00:05:01] NOT HERE TONIGHT, BUT THE VICE MAYOR AND OTHER CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT ARE HERE. AND ALSO IN MY POSITION, THAT'S THE FIRST VICE COMMANDER OF THE HISTORIC AMERICAN LEGION POST 1 91. I'M PROUD TO SAY WE LOVE YOU. WE THANK YOU, WE HONOR YOU, JACKIE. SMALL CONGRATULATIONS ON THIS WELL DESERVED RECOGNITION. THANK YOU. OKAY. MY NAME IS JACKIE . SAY THANK YOU ON BEHALF OF MY MOTHER. WE WOULD JUST LIKE TO THANK CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THE MAYOR WHO'S NOT HERE TODAY, VICE MAYOR, SHE WANTS TO THANK YOU ALL, APPRECIATE YOU ALL, APPRECIATE THE LOVE AND SUPPORT FRIEND. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE'RE GONNA TAKE A PICTURE REAL QUICK. COME UP WITH PICTURES, COME ON. THIS YOUR TIME. ITS YOUR OPPORTUNITY. CITY HALL, COME ON. OH, WE GOT FLOWERS. MARTHA, COUNT DOWN. THANK YOU. BEAUTIFUL. SHE'S SMILING. , SHE'S SMILING. ALRIGHT, EVERYBODY BE ONE MORE. ALRIGHT. CONGRATULATIONS ALL. NEXT UP WE HAVE A PROCLAMATION FOR THE NATIVE AMERICAN HERITAGE MONTH. AND HERE TO ACCEPT THE PROCLAMATION IS JOHN AND CLAIRE ELLIS BARDEN, JUDITH LIPSKI AND MARTHA PESARO. THERE THEY ARE. GOOD. HOW ARE YOU? OKAY, WELL OF COURSE. NO THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU ALL DO. ALRIGHT, HERE, DO YOU WANT ME TO SCOOT OVER FOR EVERYBODY PLEASE? MUCH OVER FRONT SWITCH IN. OH, OKAY, PERFECT. WELL, SO WHAT I'LL DO, ALRIGHT, SO WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS I'M GONNA READ THE PROCLAMATION, THEN WE WILL HAND IT OVER TO Y'ALL BECAUSE I'M REALLY EXCITED TO HEAR THIS. ALRIGHT. PROCLAMATION, CITY OF MELBOURNE, FLORIDA. WHEREAS SINCE THE EARLY 19 HUNDREDS, MANY INDIVIDUALS AND GOVERNMENTS BEGAN AN EFFORT TO GAIN RECOGNITION FOR THE SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTIONS THE FIRST AMERICANS MADE TO THE ESTABLISHMENT AND GROWTH OF THE UNITED STATES. AND IN 1990, PRESIDENT GEORGE HW BUSH APPROVED A JOINT RESOLUTION OF CONGRESS THAT DESIGNATED NOVEMBER AS NATIVE AMERICAN HERITAGE MONTH. AND WHEREAS THE RESILIENCE AND STRENGTH OF NATIVE AMERICANS IS DESERVED OF CELEBRATION, THESE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE HAVE HAVE A STRONG AND LIVING TRADITIONS THAT CONTINUE TO SHAPE THE UNITED STATES AND PRESERVE THE HERITAGE OF THEIR ANCESTORS. AND WHEREAS NOVEMBER OF EACH YEAR PROVIDES ALL RESIDENTS WITH AN OPPORTUNE TIME TO LEARN ABOUT TRIBES, TO RAISE AWARENESS ABOUT THE UNIQUE CHALLENGES NATIVE PEOPLES FACE, BOTH HISTORICALLY AND CURRENTLY. AND TO RECOGNIZE WAYS IN WHICH TRIBAL CITIZENS HAVE WORKED TO CONQUER ADVERSITIES. AND WHEREAS NATIVE HERITAGE GATHERING INC. WILL HOST ITS 17TH ANNUAL NATIVE RHYTHMS FESTIVAL FROM NOVEMBER 14TH THROUGH NOVEMBER 16TH, 2025, TO CELEBRATE NATIVE AMERICANS AND PROVIDE CULTURAL EDUCATION PROGRAMS, HANDMADE ARTS AND CRAFTS AND OUTSTANDING ENTERTAINMENT UNDER THE BEAUTIFUL PINE TREES IN WICKHAM PARK, MELBOURNE. NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT I PAUL RE MAYOR, CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM NOVEMBER, 2025 AS NATIVE AMERICAN HERITAGE MONTH AND NOVEMBER SIX 14 THROUGH 16, 20 25 NATIVE RHYTHMS FESTIVAL DAYS, AND THE CITY OF MELBOURNE. AND ENCOURAGE OUR RESIDENTS TO BECOME AWARE OF THE MANY CONTRIBUTIONS AND HERITAGE AND CULTURE OF NATIVE AMERICAN INDIANS. WITNESSED MY HAND IN SEAL THIS 28TH DAY OF OCTOBER, 2025. PAUL RE MAYOR. CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. DID YOU HAVE ANY, ANYTHING? DO YOU WANT ME, DO YOU WANNA SAY ANYTHING BEFORE YOU GUYS START YOUR PRESENTATION OR, UM, SURE. YEAH, GO AHEAD. SO WE'RE VERY, VERY THANKFUL FOR THIS AWARD THIS EVENING AND THIS RECOGNITION FOR OUR CULTURE AND FOR THE FESTIVAL. WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF OUR CITIZENS KNOW THIS IS AN EVENT THAT'S FAMILY FRIENDLY AND FREE OF ADMISSION. AND WE WANT YOU ALL TO COME OUT AND ENJOY IT FOR THE THREE DAYS THAT WE ARE THERE. I'M GONNA LET CLAIRE TELL US A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT. BUT FIRST WE'RE [00:10:01] GOING TO HEAR A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME OF THE STYLE OF MUSIC THAT WE'RE GOING TO ENCOUNTER AT THE NATIVE RHYTHMS FESTIVAL. AND TO KICK US OFF WITH THAT, WE'RE GOING TO INTRODUCE BART LAPOVSKY. HE'S GONNA TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS FLUTE. THIS IS A NATIVE AMERICAN FLUTE, IT'S A HANDCRAFTED ITEM, AND THE ARTIST WHO MADE IT IS SITTING BACK THERE. JOHN ELLIS, UH, THERE'S A BIRD ON THIS FLUTE. OH, IT'S ACTUALLY NOT JUST THE DECORATION, IT'S PART OF THE AIRFLOW MECHANISM. AND IT'S STYLED ON THIS FLUTE AS A WOODPECKER ACCORDING TO THE LEGEND THAT THE WOODPECKER MADE HOLES IN A HOLLOW TREE LIMB. AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO HEAR SOME BEAUTIFUL MUSIC FROM LINDA RESNIKOFF. BEAUTIFUL. BEAUTIFUL. AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM CLAIRE ELLIS, WHO HAS WONDERFUL WORDS TO SAY ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY AND WHAT WE DO IN OUR COMMUNITY. WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU ALL, HAVE YOU EVER, HAS ANYONE HERE EVER ATTENDED THE NATIVE AMERICAN FEST? OH YEAH. ALL RIGHT. . IT'S A BEAUTIFUL FAMILY FRIENDLY EVENT. BRING SOME LAWN CHAIRS AND A BLANKET, LISTEN TO SOME BEAUTIFUL NATIVE MUSIC FROM PERFORMERS FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. AWARD-WINNING PERFORMERS. WE HAVE FREE WORKSHOPS. WE HAVE A NATIVE VILLAGE DOING DEMONSTRATIONS DURING THE DAY. BEAUTIFUL, AUTHENTIC NATIVE VENDORS MAKING BEAUTIFUL JEWELRY AND OTHER THINGS AS WELL. AND IT'S A TRUE FAMILY FRIENDLY EVENT. AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS AS A NATIVE AMERICAN EVENT, THERE'S NO ALCOHOL. SO IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PLACE FOR FAMILIES, FOR CHILDREN. COME, ENJOY. HAVE SOME FRY BREAD. AND I'D LIKE TO JUST CLOSE BY SAYING IF YOU'RE NOT AWARE BY ETHNICITY, NATIVE AMERICANS HAVE THE HIGHEST ENLISTMENT IN OUR ARMED FORCES. COME THE 14TH THROUGH THE 16TH. LET'S SEE YOU AT WICKHAM PARK. IT'S FREE, IT'S BEAUTIFUL. COME AND ENJOY THE AFTERNOON AND THE EVENING. THANK YOU. REAL QUICK. ALRIGHT. 1, 2, 3. PERFECT. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. REALLY APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. SEE YOU THERE. YES, OF COURSE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. OF COURSE. YEAH. YOU CAN LEAVE THOSE RIGHT AT THE FRONT HERE OR IF YOU WANT TO HAND 'EM OUT, THEY COULD JUST GIVE 'EM RIGHT HERE. WE'LL MAKE SURE THEY GET UP. PERFECT. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN NOW WE HAVE THE EMPLOYEE SERVICE AWARDS AND I'M GONNA HAND IT OVER TO JENNY TO HELP MAKE US MAKE THAT HAPPEN. OKAY, THANK YOU. WE HAVE THREE SERVICE AWARDS TONIGHT. UM, WE HAVE ONE 20 YEAR EMPLOYEE AND 2 25 YEAR EMPLOYEES. SO I'M GONNA START WITH OUR [00:15:01] 20 YEAR EMPLOYEE WHO IS FIREFIGHTER BRENT DOOLEY. THANK YOU. HERE, WE'LL HAVE YOU STAND IN THE MIDDLE. OKAY. SO FIREFIGHTER DOOLEY BEGAN HIS CAREER WITH THE MELBOURNE FIRE DEPARTMENT ON SEPTEMBER 6TH, 2005. HE IS A PROUD MEMBER OF THE DEPARTMENT'S HONOR GUARD. DURING HIS CAREER, BRENT HAS RECEIVED THREE UNIT CITATIONS, TWO EXCEPTIONAL DUTY AWARDS, AND SEVERAL LETTERS OF APPRECIATION AND APPLAUSE AWARDS. IN 2019, HE WAS RECOGNIZED AS FIREFIGHTER OF THE QUARTER FOR HIS OFF-DUTY ACTIONS IN A VEHICLE CRASH WHERE HE PROVIDED LIFE-SAVING AID AND APPLIED AN IMPROVISED TOURNIQUET TO A SEVERELY INJURED PATIENT FOR HIS ACTIONS. HE WAS LATER AWARDED THE MEDAL, MEDAL OF VALOR YOU HAVE ON TONIGHT. YES YOU DO. UM, BRENT IS A SECOND GENERATION FIREFIGHTER. HIS FATHER, BILL DOOLEY RETIRED AS A BATTALION CHIEF FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AFTER 33 YEARS OF DEDICATED SERVICE. AND I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO CATCH UP WITH YOU BEFORE TONIGHT. I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU BROUGHT ANY GUESTS, SO, OKAY. CAN YOU INTRODUCE YOUR GUESTS TOO? IT'S TOO MANY. THERE'S TOO MANY. YOU BROUGHT A WHOLE CREW OF PEOPLE. THAT IS AMAZING. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU FOR COMING WITH AND SHOWING YOUR SUPPORT FOR HIM. AND USUALLY I WOULD HAND OVER A GIFT CARD AND A PEN, BUT I HEARD THAT YOU'VE ALREADY RECEIVED YOUR 20 YEAR PEN, SO I CAN'T THANK YOU ENOUGH FOR YOUR SERVICE AND, UM, KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK. WE APPRECIATE YOU. THANK YOU. DO YOU WANNA SAY ANYTHING? NO, YOU ARE GOOD. ARE YOU GOOD? THANK YOU. NOW, BEFORE YOU LEAVE, IF YOU, WE NEED YOU TO COME STAND UP ONCE AND GET A PICTURE OF ALL THREE OF YOU AFTERWARDS. SO DON'T LEAVE YET. OKAY. SORRY. I USUALLY ANNOUNCE THAT AT THE BEGINNING. SO WE'LL CONTINUE ON WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND WE HAVE LIEUTENANT CHRISTOPHER COOPER HERE TONIGHT. CHRISTOPHER HAS BEEN HERE FOR 25 YEARS AND ACTUALLY MAYBE A LITTLE LONGER, BUT A LITTLE LONGER. YES. . SO YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. UM, AND I SEE YOUR CREW HAS EXPANDED SINCE I SPOKE TO YOU BEFORE THE MEETING. SOFTBALL. OKAY. SO LIEUTENANT COOPER BEGAN HIS CAREER WITH THE CITY OF MELBOURNE IN 1998. SO YES, THE 25 YEARS DOES NOT QUITE ADD UP, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE HE TOOK A BRIEF BREAK FROM THE CITY AND HE AND, UM, HE RETURNED IN 2000 TO WORK WITH THE WATER DISTRIBUTION, UM, IN THE, OUR PUBLIC WORKS AND UTILITIES DEPARTMENT. ON SEPTEMBER 21ST, 2009, HE TRANSFERRED FROM WATER DISTRIBUTION TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AS A FIREFIGHTER EMT. HE EARNED HIS PARAMEDICS LICENSE IN FEBRUARY OF 2011 AND RECEIVED HIS SOLO MEDIC STATUS ON IN DECEMBER OF 2011. YOU WERE PROMOTED TO DRIVER ENGINEER IN JUNE OF 2016, AND HE LATER ADVANCED TO LIEUTENANT IN FEBRUARY OF 2020. CHRIS HOLDS FIREFIGHTER FIRE OFFICER ONE CERTIFICATION AND TECH ONE CERTIFICATION WITH SPECIALTIES IN CONFINED SPACE, VEHICLE AND MACHINERY RESCUE AND ROPE RESCUE TECHNICIAN. THROUGHOUT HIS CAREER, CHRIS HAS RECEIVED FIVE UNIT CITATIONS AND SEVERAL LETTERS OF APPRECIATION. IN 2011, HE WAS AWARDED FIREFIGHTER OF THE YEAR FOR HIS LIFE-SAVING EFFORTS ON A PATIENT FOUND TO BE UNRESPONSIVE PULSELESS. CHRIS HA HAS BEEN MARRIED TO HIS WIFE FELICIA FOR NEARLY 20 YEARS. FELICIA SERVES AS A FIELD TRAINING OFFICER IN THE MELBOURNE POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO IT'S A FAMILY AFFAIR. UM, OUTSIDE OF WORK, CHRIS DEDICATES HIS TIME TO COACHING FAST PITCH TRAVEL SOFTBALL. SO YOU HEARD HIM MENTION THAT WE HAVE PRACTICE TONIGHT AT 8:00 PM AND SO, UM, HIS DAUGHTER CODA IS HERE TONIGHT AND HAPPY BIRTHDAY. AND WHEN HE IS NOT COACHING, HE ENJOYS HUNTING AND FISHING. SO WE DO HAVE YOUR GIFT CARD AND YOUR PEN HERE TONIGHT. SO WE HELD OFF ON GIVING YOU YOURS ON YOUR ACTUAL ANNIVERSARY AND I CAN'T THANK YOU ENOUGH FOR YOUR SERVICE WITH THE CITY OF MELBOURNE AND WE GREATLY APPRECIATE YOU. THANK YOU. DO YOU WANNA SAY ANYTHING? THANK Y'ALL. . OKAY, SHORT AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, RICHARD SMITH IS ALSO CELEBRATING 25 YEAR ANNIVERSARY WITH THE CITY OF MELBOURNE. CONGRATULATIONS. OKAY, SO RICHARD SMITH IS, UH, ENGINEERING CONSTRUCTION INSPECTOR TWO. MM-HMM. YES. THAT WAS NOT, THAT PART WASN'T ON THERE, BUT I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE CASE. SO RICHARD STARTED WITH UTILITIES IN OUR WATER DISTRIBUTION DIVISION IN SEPTEMBER OF 2000, SEPTEMBER, 17TH OF 2000. HE THEN MOVED TO [00:20:01] UTILITIES OPERATION WHERE HE BEGAN PERFORMING QUALITY CONTROL TESTING ON BOTH IN-HOUSE AND OUTSIDE DEVELOPER WORK, MAKING SURE THAT NEW CONSTRUCTION AND MAINTENANCE WORK MET THE NECESSARY CITY AND STATUTORY STANDARDS. IN JULY OF 2018, RICHARD JOINED THE ENGINEERING TEAM, AND I BELIEVE I HIRED RICHARD IN THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT WHEN I WAS IN THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. AND SO HE BECAME AN ENGINEERING CONSTRUCTION INSPECTOR AND BEGAN MONITORING AND OVERSIGHT OF CITY CAPITAL PROJECTS AND DEVELOPMENT WORK. SINCE JOINING THE ENGINEERING TEAM, HE'S OVERSEEING NUMEROUS PROJECTS, PROVIDING VALUABLE INSIGHT TO BOTH CONTRACTORS AND FELLOW STAFF, WHICH HAS HELPED ENSURE PROJECTS ARE SUCCESSFUL. THROUGHOUT HIS ENTIRE CAREER. RICHARD HAS BEEN A KEY MEMBER OF THE CITY TEAM STRIVING TO ENSURE CITY INFRASTRUCTURE IS PROPERLY CONSTRUCTED AND PROVIDES FOR SAFE AND CONTINUOUS USE OF THE PUBLIC. SO IN HIS SPARE TIME, RICHARD ENJOYS TRAVELING WITH HIS WIFE, JEN OF 14 YEARS. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TONIGHT. PLAYING GOLF IN NEW JUST DESTINATIONS AND BEING A SEMI-PROFESSIONAL POKER DEALER ON THE WEEKENDS. . SO I ALSO KNOW THAT YOU HAVE ENJOYED YOUR DOGS OVER THE YEARS. YES. AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ALWAYS SPOKE ABOUT WAS OUR, OUR LABS. YEP. AND SO, UM, I THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE FOR 25 YEARS. HOPEFULLY YOU ARE GOING TO CONTINUE FOR SOME MORE TIME WITH US. OH YEAH. AND, UM, WE APPRECIATE ALL YOUR WORK IN THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND ON OUR UTILITIES. SO HERE'S YOUR GIFT CARD AND YOUR, YOUR 25 YEAR PEN. THANK YOU. DO YOU WANNA SAY ANYTHING? THANK YOU EVERYBODY. ACTUALLY, THANK YOU FOR PUTTING UP WITH ME THIS LONG. THERE WE GO. OKAY, YOU ARE WELCOME. THANK YOU. AND THEN IF THE, IF IF YOU CAN COME BACK UP, WE'LL GET A PICTURE OF THE GROUP AND ALL OF COUNCIL IS GONNA COME JOIN US SO WE CAN HAVE OUR PICTURE WITH THE EMPLOYEES. DID ALL THE FAMILY MEMBERS GET THE PICTURES THAT THEY WANTED TO? YEAH. OKAY. BEFORE YOU OKAY, GOOD HEAR BECAUSE I DIDN'T GET WALKED REAL. ARE YOU? HEY JULIE, THEY WANT YOU BACK DOWN THERE AGAIN. NO PROBLEM. SO ONE MORE. JACKIE AND THE AMERICAN REASON. UH, ANDRE WEST. JOE, WHO ELSE? AMERICAN. LET'S GET ONE MORE QUICK PICTURE. I AUX. READY? ALL RIGHT. 1, 2, 3. [00:25:02] THANK HONOR, HONOR. ALRIGHT, LET'S START VICE. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA BE MOVING ON HERE TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE. APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. VICE MAYOR. MA'AM, I APPROVAL, I, UM, APPROVAL OF THE, UM, 20, THE OCTOBER 14TH, 2025, UM, REGULAR MEETING MINUTES. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. I HAVE A MOTION BY MS. HANLEY, A SECOND BY MS. BASSETT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED AYE. VOTE. AYE. AND THE MOTION PASSES. CITY MANAGER'S REPORT. JENNY, WHILE MY CITY MANAGER REPORT APPEARS LIEN, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUICK UPDATES. UM, FIRST I WANTED TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT WE ARE DOING THE PUSH FOR THE HEAVY RESCUE TRUCK THAT IS ON FRIDAY AT 9:00 AM THAT'S AT STATION 76, THAT IS AT CROTON AND LAKE WASHINGTON. UM, ALSO, I THOUGHT THIS WAS NEWSWORTHY. WELL, IT WILL PROBABLY BE IN THE WEEKLY REPORT, BUT I AM, UM, PROUD TO SAY THAT OUR PUBLIC WORKS AND UTILITY DEPARTMENT IS ASSISTING THE CITY OF TITUSVILLE WITH SOME OF THE PROBLEMS THEY HAD WITH FLOODING. AND WE HAD, UM, SEVERAL OF OUR STREETS, OR A COUPLE OF OUR STREETS CREW, OUR CREW MEMBERS AND ONE OF OUR VEHICLES GO UP TO HELP OUT WITH, WITH THEIR ISSUES. AND THAT, I HAVE TO SAY THAT'S WONDERFUL HERE IN BREVARD COUNTY IS WHEN IF WE CAN PROVIDE SERVICES TO ONE ANOTHER, WE DO IT. WE'VE HAD HELP BEFORE FROM OTHER AGENCIES. AND SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING THAT WE DO FOR ONE ANOTHER. UM, ALSO WANTED TO POINT OUT TO YOU, AND THIS WAS HOT OFF THE PRESSES TODAY, AND WE'LL BE IN THE WEEKLY REPORT QUITE SOME TIME AGO. WE TALKED ABOUT THE, OR I SHOULDN'T SAY IT THAT WAY, A WHILE AGO WE TALKED ABOUT THE ONE WAY CONVERSION OF GUAVA AVENUE AND WE WERE GOING TO RETRIP IT AND SEE HOW IT WORKED. GIVE IT A TRIAL PERIOD BEFORE WE RESURFACED GUAVA, WHICH IS ON OUR RESURFACING LIST. AND SO WE WILL BE PUTTING OUT VARIABLE MESSAGE BOARDS TO START ANNOUNCING THAT THERE WILL BE A TRAFFIC PATTERN SHIFT BECAUSE THAT IS HOPEFULLY GOING TO OCCUR ON NOVEMBER 17TH OR THE WEEK OF THEREABOUTS OF NOVEMBER 17TH. AND WE ARE WORKING ON LETTING, UM, THE SURROUNDING AREA KNOW, AND WE'RE GONNA REVIEW THE SITUATION AFTERWARDS BEFORE WE MAKE IT PERMANENT WITH THE RESURFACING. SO THAT WILL BE IN THE WEEKLY REPORT ALSO. BUT I JUST, I WANTED TO BRING THAT UP. AND OTHER THAN THAT, I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR JENNY? SEEING NONE. ALRIGHT. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. PUBLIC COMMENTS. DO WE HAVE ANY? YES, WE DO. ALRIGHT, TAKING A LOOK HERE WE HAVE PETE BITNER FOLLOWED BY JOSEPH COLOMBO. OH, FIRST , YOU WON FIRST TIME. THERE YOU GO. MY NAME IS PETE BITNER. I LIVE AT SIX. OH, YEP. THANK YOU. 6 21 IS THIS OH, NO, NO. I WANNA MAKE SURE YOU'RE DOING NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. THANK YOU FOR DOING IT. 6 21 IRONWOOD DRIVE IN GREENTREE PARK. MM-HMM . SIX MONTHS AGO AT AND T CAME THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND INSTALLED FIBER OPTICS. I GUESS YOU GUYS KNOW ABOUT THAT. OKAY. THEY DID A GREAT JOB. THEY DIDN'T DESERVE OUR PROPERTIES, DIDN'T BREAK ANY WATER REMAINS. THEY DID THEIR JOB. THEY GOT OUT CLEAN. MM-HMM . OKAY. TWO MONTHS AFTER THEY DO IT, T-MOBILE MOVES IN AND THE LAST WEEK AND A HALF T-MOBILE'S BROKEN TWO ORDER MAINS. AND THEY, THEY DIG TWO BIG HOLES IN EVERY YARD. OKAY. AND I SPOKE TO, I THINK BARRY BALDWIN IN ENGINEERING. HE SAID THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO PUT THE PROPERTIES BACK THE WAY THEY WERE, THEY'RE NOT PUTTING THE BACK PROPERTIES BACK THE WAY THEY ARE. THEY'RE TEARING UP EVERYBODY'S PROPERTY. AND IF YOU LET THEM DO THIS TO THE WHOLE CITY, YOU'RE DOING THE CITY OF INJUSTICE. SOMEBODY NEEDS TO PULL THEIR PERMIT AND STOP THEM, GET SOMEBODY ELSE TO DO THE JOB, THEN KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE DOING. AND, UH, IT'S, IT'S JUST TERRIBLE THAT THEY'RE DOING TO OUR PROPERTIES. THANK YOU FOR LETTING US KNOW. AND JENNY'S TAKING, DID DID YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING? WAS GONNA TAKE A NOTE? WHO GOES OUT? THERE'S, WHO GIVES OUT THE PERMITS FOR THAT? I WAS GONNA, IF, IF THAT'S ALL OH, PLEASE, YES. SO, UM, THE CITY ENGINEER IS HERE TONIGHT. DO YOU WANNA WAIVE YOUR HAND? DO YOU MIND WAVING YOUR HAND? JUST OKAY. AND SO THAT, THAT IS OUR CITY ENGINEER, JAMES ENNIS. AND, UM, BARRY BALDWIN REPORTS TO HIM AND IT, I I VERY MUCH THANK YOU FOR COMING. WELL, WELL, BARRY'S NOT ANSWERING MY EMAILS ANYMORE, SO, OKAY. PLEASE. I THANK YOU FOR COMING THOUGH AND EXPRESSING YOUR CONCERN WITH T-MOBILE WITH THE FIBER. WE HAVE HAD QUITE A BIT OF TROUBLE WITH FIBER INSTALLS. AND SO HOW MANY MORE COMPANIES ARE YOU ALLOWED TO DO THIS? I CAN'T EVEN PLANT A TREE IN MY YARD ANYMORE WITHOUT CALLING MISS UTILITY. 'CAUSE THEY GOT LINES GOING [00:30:01] EVERYWHERE. UM, THEY ARE ALLOWED IN THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR FIBER OPTICS. I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE THE TOTAL NUMBER OF, UM, HOW MANY UTILITIES DO THAT, BUT THE FACT I CAN CAN'T WAIT THAT THEY GET TO YOUR HOUSE. THE, THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE NOT, NOT CLEANED UP AFTER THEMSELVES AND ARE, ARE NOT PLAYING PROPERLY AND I'LL SAY PLAYING NICE. UM, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT CAN TAKE CARE OF. SO DRIVE THROUGH GREEN TREE PARK. OKAY. ALRIGHT, MOVING ON. MR. JOSEPH COLOMBO, FOLLOWED BY RENEE. EY. GOOD EVENING. JOSEPH COLOMBO, 2020 WEST ALI, MELBOURNE, FLORIDA. UH, I'M THE ATTORNEY FOR RENEE RY. UH, UH, I, I'D ASK, UH, POTENTIALLY HAVE A FEW EXTRA MINUTES, UM, MAYBE A MINUTE OR TWO, UM, TO, TO, TO GET A CLEAR RECORD OF MY, UH, MY STATEMENTS HERE THIS EVENING. UM, BECAUSE THIS IS HIS FIRST NOTICE TO THE COUNCIL ON AN ISSUE INVOLVING MAYOR PAUL. EY, UH, YOU'VE PROBABLY READ OR HEARD ABOUT SOME OF THESE ISSUES BETWEEN MR. EY AND HIS, UH, SISTER-IN-LAW, RENEE, AND SOME GOING ONS INVOLVING THEIR, THEIR PRIOR BUSINESS. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY OF THAT. UM, AND THIS IS GONNA GET A LITTLE RAW, MAYBE A LITTLE AGGRESSIVE, UH, BUT, AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS COUNSEL. IT HAS TO DO DIRECTLY WITH MR. EY. I WANNA POINT OUT THAT, UH, AS A PREAMBLE, UH, I LOVE THE CITY OF MELBOURNE. I'VE HAD ROOTS HERE SINCE 1968. I WAS AN ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY FOR MELBOURNE FOR MANY YEARS, FIVE, SIX YEARS. AND IN FACT, WHEN PAUL GOMAN HAD A HEART ATTACK, I WAS ACTING CITY ATTORNEY FOR THE CITY OF MELBOURNE FOR ABOUT THREE, FOUR MONTHS, MANY MOONS AGO WHILE IN PRIVATE PRACTICE. SO, I LOVE THE CITY OF MELBOURNE AND I'M INTIMATELY FAMILIAR WITH MUNICIPAL LAW. I'VE BEEN A TOWN ATTORNEY FOR, IN INDIAN ATLANTIC FOR 30 YEARS. I'VE BEEN A TOWN AND A CITY ATTORNEY FOR COCOA FOR 30 YEARS. UH, SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH MUNICIPAL LAW ISSUES. UH, BUT I'M ALL, ALL WHILE I BEING PRIVATE WHILE, WHILE BEING IN PRIVATE PRACTICE. UM, SO ONCE AGAIN, THERE'S NO ANTAGONISM HERE. I'M HERE IN THE SPIRIT OF COOPERATION WITH THE CITY COUNCIL. BUT THIS IS A VERY, VERY IMPORTANT STATEMENT I'M ABOUT TO MAKE. THIS INVOLVES, UH, PUBLIC FRAUD, UH, AND, UH, PUBLIC CORRUPTION DIRECTLY WITH THE CITY MAYOR. AND I'LL SAY THAT FLAT OUT. AND THESE, THESE ARE NOT ALLEGATIONS. THIS IS DISPOSITIVE. I HAVE THE PROOF FROM THE CITY CLERK AND FROM THE THEN THE CITY FINANCE DEPARTMENT, MAYOR AFRI HAS BEEN CONTRACTING, UH, HAS BEEN PRIVATELY CONTRACTING WITH THE CITY SELF-DEALING, UH, IN VIOLATION OF, OF PUBLIC LAW IN VIOLATION OF FLORIDA STATUTE ONE 12.313. AND I'LL GO THROUGH IT BRIEFLY. UH, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE DOWN TO ONE MINUTE. BUT BRIEFLY, AS YOU MAY RECALL, THE CITY AWARDED $500,000 TO HABITAT FOR FOR HUMANITY. UH, WITH THOSE COVID, UH, COVID RELIEF FUNDS, THE AMERICAN, UM, OR AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT, $500,000 WAS GIVEN TO HABITAT FOR HUMANITY. IN JUNE OF 24, JUNE 11TH OF 24, MAYOR ALFRE SIGNED THE RESOLUTION, AWARDING THE FUNDS. I HAVE IT RIGHT HERE. WELL, TWO MONTHS LATER, HE'S IN CONTRACT WITH HABITAT FOR HUMANITY DIRECTLY. UH, MAYOR AFRI HAS BEEN PAID BY HABITAT FOR HUMANITY $56,500. I HAVE THE RECORDS RIGHT HERE. HE SHOULDN'T BE, HE SHOULDN'T BE RECEIVING A CHOCOLATE FROM HABITAT FOR HUMANITY. HE SHOULDN'T RECEIVE A PEN. $56,500 FROM HABITAT FOR HUMANITY. YOU CANNOT GET A MORE CLASSIC QUID PRO QUO IN THE LAW. UH, IT IT'S NOT BAD, BAD OPTICS, IT'S CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. NOW, I HAVE DIRECT PROOF RIGHT HERE, AND I'M TO PRESENT IT TO THE, TO COUNCIL, TO THE CITY ATTORNEY, TO THE CITY CLERK WHO I'VE KNOWN FOR MANY YEARS. DIRECT PROOF THAT MAYOR FRI WAS PAID FROM AMERICAN RELIEF PROTECTION ACT FUNDS. SIR, THE GRANT MONIES, SIR, WOULD YOU, DO YOU WANT TO GIVE, UH, THE INFORMATION THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TO THE CITY CLERK AND THEN WE'LL LET YOUR CLIENT COME UP SINCE SHE'S NEXT? THANK YOU. RENEE FRI FOLLOWED BY MCCLARY. ONCE AGAIN, I WAS ASKING BECAUSE I ASKED HIM TO MAKE A RECORD. HE MAY SPEAK TO, UH, CITY ATTORNEY. I NEED, CAN MAKE A RECORD OF PROVIDING NOTICE. SO IF I COULD HAVE THIS TWO MORE MINUTES, YOUR DISCRETION, WHETHER YOU WANT TO GIVE ANY ADDITIONAL TIME TO, TO MR. UH, MR. COLOMBO. UH, OH. I MEAN, I WOULD CAUTION THE COUNCIL. I WOULD CAUTION THE COUNCIL VICE. I, I'M FOR DIRECTION COUNCIL DO THAT, UH, VERY OFTEN. SO I THINK IF OKAY, BUT IF EVERYONE, IF EVERYONE IS ON THE BOARD OKAY. WITH THE EXTRA TWO MINUTES, ARE WE, I I APPRECIATE THAT. ONCE AGAIN, MAYOR EY WAS PAID $9,200 DIRECTLY FROM THOSE GRANT MONIES. UNBELIEVABLY, HE'S ON THE HABITAT FOR HUMANITY. UH, REQUEST FOR REIMBURSEMENT SHEET, THE VERY FIRST TWO ITEMS. THE FIRST TWO VENDORS, TWO ITEMS, ALFRE ROOFING, A FOR ALFRE. AND THESE WERE SUBMITTED TO THE CITY FINANCE DEPARTMENT FOR REIMBURSEMENT. THE CITY CLERK ISSUED, I MEAN, THE CITY FINANCE DEPARTMENT ISSUED A CHECK FOR 70 SOME ODD THOUSAND DOLLARS. I HAVE THE CHECK RIGHT HERE. AND MAYOR ALFRE WAS THEN PAID FROM THOSE FUNDS. SO HE WAS DIRECTLY TAKING MONEY GRANT MONIES, FEDERAL GRANT MONIES. SO THIS IMPLICATES NOT ONLY [00:35:01] STATE LAW WITH REGARD TO CORRUPTION MM-HMM . THESE ARE FEDERAL CHARGES THAT WILL BE BROUGHT BY THE MIDDLE DISTRICT OF FLORIDA. SURE. YOU NEED TO REPORT. AND I POINT THAT AND AND IT'S NOT YOU, THE CITY ATTORNEY KNOWING THESE ARE, THIS HAS GONE ON. AND THE PROOF'S RIGHT HERE. IT'S DISPOSITIVE. YOU CAN'T IGNORE THIS. THIS ISN'T NUANCED, THIS ISN'T GRAY AREA. THIS IS AS CLEAR AND VIVID AS A CAROLINA BLUE SKY. THIS IS ALL FOUR CORNERS ON ALL FOURS. AND THE CITY ATTORNEY WILL TELL YOU THAT HE NEEDS TO REPORT THIS TO THESE TO UNITE TO THE, UH, FLORIDA ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE AND THE, AND THE ATTORNEY, US ATTORNEY FOR THE FEDERAL, UH, METAL DISTRICT OF FLORIDA. THERE'S NO IF AND OR BUTS THIS HAS TO BE REPORTED. IF YOU DO NOT REPORT THAT, I WILL WITHIN A WEEK, HE'S GOT THE, THE CITY'S GOT ONE WEEK TO TURN IN A ROGUE MAYOR WHO UNBELIEVABLE. I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND THIS. YOU'RE BUSINESS OWNERS. HE, HE SIGNED OFF ON A CONTRACT AWARDING MONEY TO HALF A MILLION DOLLARS TO HAVE TO HAVE FOR HUMANITY. AND THEN ASKED FOR REIMBURSEMENT FROM THEM DIRECTLY AND, AND, AND GOT PAID $59,500. UH, I, I WOULD, I WOULD, I WOULD, I WOULD, I WOULD, UH, CHALLENGE THE COUNCIL. ARE ANY OF YOU GETTING PAID CITY MONIES? I DON'T THINK SO. I KNOW NOT IN 30 YEARS OF MUNICIPAL LAW. I'VE NEVER SEEN THIS. SO ONCE AGAIN, IT'S RIGHT ON HERE ON THE REIMBURSEMENT REQUESTS. AND IT'S CURIOUS, THE MAYOR'S NOT HERE TONIGHT. I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S ABSENT OFTEN, BUT, UH, IT'S VERY CURIOUS. UM, ONCE AGAIN, UH, THE MAYOR WAS PAID $56,500 FROM HABITAT FOR HUMANITY. HABITAT FOR HUMANITY ARE WONDERFUL FOLKS. AND THEIR NAME HAS BEEN SULLIED. OUR DEAR PRESIDENT RECENTLY DEPARTED JIMMY CARTER, YOU KNOW, DID GREAT WORK WITH THEM. AND, AND, AND NOW THEIR NAME'S BEEN SULLY BY THE MAYOR. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR DIRECT INVOLVEMENT WAS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, WHAT, WHAT HAPPENED HUMANITY DID. EXACTLY. THEY WERE GOOD FOLKS. I'VE DEALT WITH 'EM FOR YEARS. SIR, HAVE YOU WRAPPED UP? YEAH, WE GAVE YOU THE TWO MINUTES. ONCE AGAIN, I'M TRYING. THESE ARE, THESE ARE, ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS AN EXISTENTIAL THREAT TO, TO YOUR LEGITIMACY. IF ONCE AGAIN, IF YOU'VE GOT, IF YOU'VE GOT FOLKS ON YOUR COUNCIL WHO ARE PUBLICLY CORRUPT SURE. I ASSURE YOU THIS, YOU KNOW, WE COULD GO ON FROM THERE. 10 MINUTES. THIS IS, THIS IS OF, OF PRIME EXISTENTIAL IMPORTANCE. AND YOUR MAYOR THANK YOU. IS CORRUPT. AND, AND YOUR, YOUR CLIENT'S COMING UP NEXT. FIRST. SHE HERE TO CONTINUE. SHE'S HERE. NOT HERE. HERE. SHE'S NOT HERE. ONCE AGAIN, I'LL BE IN TOUCH WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY. UM, HE'S A FINE FELLOW, FINE GENTLEMAN. I SUGGEST YOU CAUCUS WITH HIM. HAVE A CLOSED, UH, COUNCIL, ATTORNEY MEETING WITHOUT THE MAYOR, PRESIDENT, BECAUSE YOU NEED TO BE FORWARDING THESE CHARGES TO THE, TO THE, TO THE MIDDLE DISTRICT AND TO TALLAHASSEE. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING. FAIR ENOUGH. YOUR THE CITY'S ON NOTICE. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. RENEE ALFRE IS NOT HERE. JUST CONFIRMING. OKAY. MOVING ON TO CONNIE MCCLARY, FOLLOWED BY MARK INE EVENING. CONNIE MCCLARY, PRESIDENT OF POWER NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, SUBDIVISION NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH. I LIVE IN PALM BAY, BUT I REPRESENT THE CITY'S OF MELBOURNE AND PALM BAY WITH MY NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH PROGRAM. AND I ALSO WORK WITH, UM, GROVELAND PARK AND BOOKER HEIGHTS IS PART OF IT. I'M HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE I SENT EACH ONE OF Y'ALL, THE DEPUTY MAYOR, THE MAYOR, EACH ONE OF Y'ALL SHOULD HAVE GOT A LETTER WITH SOME PICTURES. AND, UM, I'M HERE BECAUSE THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR OVER SIX YEARS WITH THIS RIGHT HERE THAT I SENT YOU ALL. AND, UM, IT'S A NUISANCE. YOU NOW YOU GOT SQUATTERS AND HOMELESS PEOPLE LIVING THERE IN ONE OF THE PICTURES WHERE IT IS BOARDED UP. UH, THE POLICE CAME OUT, CAUGHT TWO PEOPLE COMING OUT THE HOUSE, DID NOTHING TO THEM. THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN CHARGED WITH TRESPASSING OR SOMETHING. AND THEN ALSO IT WAS A FIRE THAT STARTED AT ONE OF THOSE PROPERTY. THE FIRE DIDN'T START BY ITSELF. SO IT'S, IT'S A, UH, ISSUE WITH HOMELINESS AND, AND, UH, SQUATTERS AND STUFF IN THAT AREA. AND, UM, MR. MOORE, WHICH COME TO MY NEIGHBORHOOD, WATCH, HE LIVE IN THAT AREA AND IT'S VERY CONCERNING TO HIM. THE 25 19 HAVE OVER $10,000, UH, IN FINE, UH, FOR CODE VIOLATION. ME AND MR. MOORE WERE DOWN HERE. WHAT ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO, MR. MOORE TO A CODE MEETING. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AND NOTHING HAVE BEEN DONE, YOU KNOW, AND I JUST WANT TO KNOW, WHAT DO Y'ALL PLAN ON DOING? UH, I WOULD BE GLAD TO MEET WITH YOU ALL THE CITY OFFICIALS. WE COULD COME OUT THERE. WE CAN DO A WALKTHROUGH IN THAT AREA. UM, SO I, I'M WILLING TO MEET WITH YOU ALL. I ALSO HAVE SOME MORE ISSUES WITH THE, UH, FLOODED IN GLAND PARK. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHEN IS THAT GOING TO GET STARTED, UH, TO ADDRESS THE FLOODED IN GLAND PARK AREA? BECAUSE, UM, NOTHING HAD BEEN DONE. AND I WAS TOLD IT SHOULD HAVE STARTED IN OCTOBER LAST YEAR, BUT IT HAVEN'T [00:40:01] GOT STARTED YET. AND I ALSO WANNA ADDRESS THE ISSUE WITH EDDIE LEE PARK, UH, COMPLEX IN THE SUMMERTIME. THEY HAVE SUMMER CAMP THERE. UH, THE CHILDREN IN THE COMMUNITY CAN'T, UH, USE THEIR COMPLEX BECAUSE THEY CLOSE AT SIX O'CLOCK. UH, SO THE CHILDREN, THAT COMMUNITY, WHY WOULD YOU HAVE A, A COMMUNITY CENTER IN THAT AREA? AND THEY NOT ABLE TO USE THEIR COMPLEX. SO, UH, IT'S, I'M QUITE SURE Y'ALL COULD FIND SOME FUNDING. IT'S SOMEWHERE FOR THAT PARK TO STAY OPEN, AT LEAST AT EIGHT OR NINE O'CLOCK AT NIGHT. AND I HAVE MY MEETING THERE. I HAVE TO, I HAVE TO MOVE MY MEETING IN THE SUMMERTIME MM-HMM . BECAUSE THE PARK IS CLOSED. AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S FAIR TO THE COMMUNITY THAT BEEN GOING ON FOR OVER 10 YEARS NOW. SO, AND, UM, I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM YOU ALL. SURE. AND JUST SO YOU KNOW THAT THE CITY MAJOR, AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT COMMUNITY CENTER IN THAT PARK AND I KNOW THEY'VE BEEN LOOKING INTO THAT. AND THEN COULD YOU GIVE US THE ADDRESS AS WELL FOR, DID YOU, DO YOU KNOW WHAT? DO YOU HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION YOU NEED, JENNY? THEY'LL BE REACHING OUT TO YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . ALRIGHT. NEXT IS MARK INE. I FEEL LIKE I SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT MY PARKA . UM, I DON'T KNOW IF I GOT, THIS IS SOMETHING FUN. SO, AND I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE QUESTIONS. UH, TIME PERMITTING. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS GOT QUEUED UP, UM, SO BEFORE YOU STARTED, OH, THERE IT IS. WELL, OKAY. SO, UH, FIRST TIME I'VE BEEN UP HERE ABOUT, ABOUT THIS, BUT EVERY SINGLE YEAR FOR THE LAST 27 YEARS, THERE'S BEEN A RACE, UM, CALLED HIRUMS HALL. UH, STARTS OUT AT PINEA CAUSEWAY, M-I-A-P-O-W PARK. IT'S A COUNTY PARK AND WE RACE DOWN TO CAPTAIN HYAMS RESORT AND SEBASTIAN ON SATURDAY. AND THEN BACK, IT'S ABOUT 37 MILES. UH, I'M SURE TWO OR THREE GUYS ON BOATS LIKE THAT, WHICH IS A HOBIE. 16 CATTLEMEN GOT TOGETHER WITH A CASE OF BEER AND DECIDED TO SEE HOW FAR THEY COULD RACE SOUTH. ENDED UP CAPTAIN RAS. AND THE REASON I'M UP HERE IS BECAUSE PROBABLY 80% OF THE RACE, UH, THE DISTANCE RACE TAKES PLACE IN THE CITY OF MELBOURNE. IT TAKES PLACE IN INDIAN RIVER LAGOON, BUT IT TAKES SPACE WITHIN THE CITY OF MELBOURNE ITSELF. SO I'M OPEN FOR QUESTIONS, BUT, UH, I AM GONNA GET A REGULAR PROMOTIONAL VIDEO WITH SOME COOL MUSIC. THIS IS, THERE'S NO MUSIC. IT'S JUST, UH, A COUPLE OF BOATS STARTING. YOU WILL SEE A COUPLE OF HIGH PERFORMANCE BOATS BESIDES THE HOEY 16, NO OFFENSE TO HOBY 16 SAILORS, UH, 1979 DESIGN. BUT THERE ARE OTHER BOATS IN THERE, BUT IT JUST GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF THE BOATS. THERE ARE GONNA BE SIX OF THE BOATS IN THAT RACE ON SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 1ST. SO, UM, LIKE I SAID, IT'S A LITTLE TECHNICAL IN NATURE , BUT, UM, THERE WILL BE ABOUT SIX OR SEVEN OF THOSE BOATS. WE HAVE ABOUT 12 OR 13 BOATS THAT ARE CURRENTLY REGISTERED. SO, UM, JUST IT'S A COOL RACE. NEXT, NEXT YEAR, WE'RE GONNA, UH, WE HAVE SOMEBODY THIS YEAR, EITHER BY, UH, IPHONE CAMERAS OR POSSIBLY A DRONE, HAVE SOMEONE TAKE SOME SHOTS AND, AND TRY TO TRY TO GET SOME SHOTS OF, UH, OF THE DOWNTOWN MELBOURNE AS IT PASSES UNDERNEATH THE 1 92 CAUSEWAY. SO IF YOU'RE OUT THERE, IT'S, IT'S OPEN TO SPECTATORS. 'CAUSE YOU CAN'T CLOSE THE, IN THE INTERCOSTAL WATERWAY, NOR WOULD YOU WANT TO. UM, SO IF YOU SEE BOATS LIKE THAT, THAT ARE RACING ALONG, UH, FEEL FREE TO FLY ALONG. YOU MIGHT HAVE A FEW STRANGE LOOKS AS IF YOU GET CLOSE, BUT JUST COME DOWN TO CA IT'S A GREAT RACE. IT'S, UH, IT'S BEEN GOING ON 27 YEARS. WHEN DID YOU SAY THAT IS AGAIN? UH, NOVEMBER 1ST, UH, STARTS OFF AT 10 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING WITH THE SLOWER BOATS LIKE THAT. AND THEN BOATS THAT HAVE SPINNAKER, IT STARTS WHERE? PARACHUTE, UH, M-I-A-P-O-W PARK OFF OF, UH, THE 4 0 4. OKAY. I NEED A, AND IT WAS NAMED AFTER CAPTAIN, UM, OH GOSH. CAPTAIN HIRAM, H COLLINS. MM-HMM . WHO WON THE PURPLE HEART, UH, FOR THE ARMY IN 19, I WON'T REMEMBER THE NUMBER, BUT HIS PICTURE IS UP AT CAP, IS AT CAPTAIN HYAMS RESTAURANT. GREAT. SO MS. KENNEDY, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? YEAH, I JUST HAVE, UM, ONE QUESTION. THANK YOU FOR ASKING YOU THE TIME QUESTION. UM, YOU GO DOWN TO CAPTAIN HYAMS, RIGHT? DO YOU STOP AT CAPTAIN HIRUMS? WE DO. WE ACTUALLY PULL OUT, THERE'S A VERY SMALL, LITTLE NON-MOTORIZED RAMP THAT HAS NOT BEEN CLOSED IN BY PARTS AND RECREATION FOR THE CITY OF SEBASTIAN. UH, AND THEN WE PULL UP IN THERE AND THERE'S A LITTLE GRASSY AREA THAT'S OUT THERE THAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO PUT, YOU KNOW, BRING THE BOATS UP THERE, UH, NON-MOTORIZED. WE ROLL 'EM UP ON AXLES, LIKE A TV TIRES WITHOUT ANY TREADS, SO [00:45:01] WE DON'T TRAMPLE ANYTHING. UM, ANCHOR FOR THE NIGHT. AND, UM, AND THEN EVERYBODY STAYS IN THE LOCAL AREA, MOTELS OR AIRBNBS. AND THEN WE GO TO CAPTAIN HYAMS RESORT FOR THE EVENING AND THEN GET BACK UP AT THE, UH, CRACK OF DAWN AND, UM, AND THEN RACE BACK DOWN, DOWN SOUTH OF THE SAME M-I-A-P-O-W PARK, UH, OFF THE PIN. SO YOU'RE GOING DOWN ON SATURDAY? COME BACK UP ON SUNDAY? YES, MA'AM. OKAY. YEP. ANYBODY ELSE? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. ROLL. THANKS. ALRIGHT, MOVING INTO UNFINISHED BUSINESS. WE HAVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025 DASH FOUR NINE. ADAM, THANK YOU. THIS IS, UH, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE. I'M SORRY. EXCUSE ME, SIR. WE HAVE ANOTHER, DID YOU SIGN IN, JOHN? OH, YEAH. OH, I DON'T HAVE A, I DON'T HAVE A SHEET. YOU SIGNED UP FOR THE SPECIAL ACTIVITY PERMIT. OH, DID YOU, DID YOU WANNA SPEAK DURING PUBLIC COMMENT NOW INSTEAD OF AT THE, THAT ITEM IS GONNA BE LATER ON. YES. BUT YOU CAN TALK RIGHT NOW IF YOU WANNA GET OUTTA THE WAY ON THE AGENDA. IT IS, OF COURSE. YES. I CAN TALK NOW. THAT'S WHAT I, YEAH, YEAH. I RECOMMEND HIM COME TO COME EARLIER. YEAH. CAN WE, CAN WE TAKE YOUR, UH, SHE'S ONE OF THOSE GUYS LIKE US THAT GO TO WORK AT SIX O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING AND LEAVES AT SEVEN O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, YOU KNOW. THERE WE GO. OH YEAH. NO. HELLO COUNCIL, HOW YOU GUYS DOING? PERFECT. THANK YOU. CITY OF MELBOURNE. THANK YOU FOR HELPING OUT. AND THEN JUST NAME AN ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. YES, THAT'S RIGHT. JOHN CURTIS. YEP. UH, 6 5 2 WEST ALI BOULEVARD. GREAT. THANK YOU. UH, THANK YOU. CITY OF MELBOURNE FOR HELPING OUT CITY OF TITUSVILLE. MM-HMM . MY SECOND FAVORITE. CITY . UM, I'M HERE FOR THE SPECIAL ACTIVITY PERMITS, UH, AND THE AMOUNT THAT YOU CAN DO PA THE PAST DECADE AS I READ THE CODE AND NOW IT'S UNDERSTOOD TO ME, I'M ALLOWED SIX, UH, SPECIAL ACTIVITY PERMITS, UH, THAT CAN RANGE FROM A HOTDOG CART TO BON JOVI. SO IT'S A KIND OF A, IF I WANTED TO DO ALL THESE KIND OF THINGS, I ONLY GET SIX A YEAR. AND AS THE SPECIAL ACTIVITY PERMITS, THEY'RE, LIKE I SAID, BON JOVI TO A HOTDOG CART IF I WANNA DO SOMETHING SMALL, BUT I STILL WANT TO USE MY PARKING LOT, ONLY MY PARKING LOT. NOT EVEN A BAND, NOT EVEN FOOD TRUCKS. I GOTTA PULL A PERMIT, I GOTTA PULL A PERMIT I GOTTA PULL IN. SO I ONLY HAVE SIX TO DO THE CODE READS. WELL, IT'S JUST THE QUANTITY. UH, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE MORE. UH, MY BI UH, THE AREA EGA, I DON'T, I TRIED TO REACH KATHY. I DON'T KNOW WHERE SHE IS, UM, TONIGHT. BUT, UH, I, I THINK THE, THE AREA WOULD BENEFIT. I KNOW OUR BUSINESS AND OTHER BUSINESSES AROUND US WOULD DEFINITELY BENEFIT FROM THIS JUST TO HAVE A, A HIGHER QUANTITY IN SPECIAL ACTIVITY PERMIT. UH, I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO BE REWRITTEN TO HAVE LIKE JUST A BAND, JUST A FOOD TRUCK, JUST A MARKET. UM, JUST THE QUANTITY OF, OF THAT. SO IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, AND FEEL FREE TO ASK. BLESS. HI, HOW ARE YOU? THANK YOU. I'M DOING WELL. COMING. HOW MANY DO YOU HAVE PER YEAR, WOULD YOU SAY? SIX. NOT IN THE, HOW MANY WOULD YOU HAVE IF YOU HAD YOUR NUMBERS? I MEAN, UH, YEAH, I MEAN, ULTIMATELY ONCE A MONTH WOULD BE FANTASTIC. MORE WOULD BE AMAZING. AWESOME. UH, SO AT LEAST 12. UH, AND THAT GIVES US KIND OF A FUN THING TO DO. QUARTERLY MARKETS, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY FUNDRAISERS. THAT'S THE OTHER THING. WHEN I'M TRYING TO DO SOME OF THE CHARITY ASPECT STUFF, UH, MY OCCUPANCY GOES UP, I HAVE TO PULL A PERMIT. SO I'M TRYING TO LIKE, AH, I CAN'T DO THAT. I NEED TO RAISE MONEY AT THE BREWERY FOR US TO SURVIVE. RIGHT. AND SO, UH, 12 WOULD BE FANTASTIC. I MEAN, THAT MAKES SENSE FOR ME ONCE A MONTH. UH, BUT MORE THE MERRIER. UM, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY REALLY TAKES ADVANTAGE OF THE QUANTITY, UH, LIKE THEY'RE HAVING IT EVERY WEEKEND, A BLOCK PARTY. BUT THAT'S OF COURSE UP TO, UH, YOU GUYS IN THE CODE DEPARTMENTS. SO THANK YOU, SIR. MM-HMM . THANKS MAYOR. JOHN, THANKS FOR COMING TONIGHT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU GUYS. APPRECIATE YOU. YEAH. UM, JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOUR, YOUR ORGANIZATION HAS TRANSFORMED, UH, DOWNTOWN ALI. AND SO, UH, AS WE TRANSFORM INTO THE FUTURE, WE NEED TO HEAR FROM THOSE WHO HAVE TRANSFORMED THE, THE, UM, THE ENVIRONMENT, UH, AS TO HOW WE CAN, UH, SERVE YOU BETTER AND SERVE OUR, UH, CONSTITUENTS BETTER. SO I'M, I'M HAPPY THAT YOU CAME TO TONIGHT. I KNOW WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT BACK AND FORTH AND IT WAS, MAYBE IT WOULD BE ON TONIGHT, MAYBE IT WOULDN'T OR WHATEVER, AND, AND ALL THE OTHER STUFF THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. BUT YOU DO A GREAT JOB, YOU AND YOUR ORGANIZATION, UH, AND YOUR PARTNERS. AND I APPRECIATE THE, UM, THE DEDICATION THAT YOU PUT INTO YOUR BUSINESS AS WE ALL DO, AND THE COMMUNITY AS WELL TOO. AND I HOPE THAT WE, UH, CAN COME TOGETHER AS A COUNCIL TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD THOSE 12 EVENTS. OR MAYBE 14 OR MAYBE 16. I'M NOT SURE. WE'LL START THE NEGOTIATIONS ON THE TOP AND WE'LL COME DOWN ON THE BOTTOM. WELL, I'M ALL EARS. AND IF YOU GUYS ANY ADVICE DIRECTION OVER THE PAST 12 YEARS, WE'VE ALWAYS COME TO A CONCLUSION THAT WAS BENEFICIAL TO, UH, EVERYBODY. SO I APPRECIATE THAT. SO THE RESPECT IS MUTUAL. THANKS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. SO IS IT STILL ON THE AGENDA? IT IS STILL ON THE AGENDA, YEAH. I'LL WAIT FOR MOM TO PUT THE KIDS TO BED. I'LL STICK AROUND FOR A [00:50:01] LITTLE BIT. . ALL RIGHT. SO, UM, IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WANNA SPEAK DURING PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE. OKAY. NOW MOVING ON. FINISH BUSINESS. ADAM. THANK YOU. THIS IS ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025 DASH 49, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, PROVIDING FOR EXTENDED HOURS FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES ON NEW YEAR'S DAY MAKING FINDINGS AMENDING CHAPTER SIX OF THE CITY CODE ENTITLED ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES AMENDING SECTION SIX DASH TWO HOURS OF SALE, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND INTERPRETATION, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE, AND PROVIDING AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE. ALRIGHT, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE ANY SIGNUP SHEETS? SEEING NONE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC HEARING. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING BRING ABOUT THE COUNCILS. SO REAL, REAL QUICKLY, JUST I, I, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING OF, OF REAL SUBSTANCE TO ADD. MR. SIMMONS ISN'T HERE. I'LL, I'LL BE ADDRESSING ANY COMMENTS OR OTHER QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. OKAY. THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO CLARIFY FROM FIRST READING AND SOMETHING MR. SIMMONS SAID WAS I THINK HE SAID SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF, UM, UH, USES WITH A CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL WOULDN'T BE SUBJECT TO THIS LANGUAGE. AND I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT A LITTLE BIT. THE, THE GOAL OF THE NEW SUBSECTION D THAT'S PROPOSED IN THE ORDINANCE SAYS THAT IF A CONDITIONAL USE HAS MORE SPECIFIC HOURS OF OPERATIONS STATED WITHIN IT AS A CONDITION, THOSE HOURS APPLY AS COMPARED TO THE MORE GENERAL HOURS STATED IN IN CHAPTER SIX. SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS WHAT I WANTED TO CLARIFY AND, AND MAKE CLEAR FOR COUNSEL. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. OTHERWISE, AGAIN, THE RECOMMENDATION IS FOR APPROVAL OF, OF THE ORDINANCE. GREAT. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ADAM? SEEING NONE, BRING ABOUT THE COUNCIL. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? MAYOR, SIR. PROOF OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025 DASH 49. SECOND. ALRIGHT. MOTION BY MR. LARUSSO. SECOND BY MS. BASSETT. ROLL CALL PLEASE. COUNCIL MEMBER LARUSSO AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER BASSETT AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER HANLEY AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KENNEDY. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH IN THE ROOM. VICE MAYOR NEWMAN. I VOTE. AYE. AND THE MOTION PASSES. ALRIGHT, MOVING ON TO NEW BUSINESS ITEM NUMBER NINE. WE HAVE MR. ES PRESENTING. OKAY. GOOD EVENING, VICE MAYOR. GOOD EVENING COUNSEL. UH, THIS IS ITEM NUMBER NINE. THIS IS FOR WORK ORDER NUMBER 24 DASH ZERO SIX TO THE CONTRACT WITH VA PAVING INC. OF COCOA FLORIDA FOR THE KINGS MILL SUBDIVISION ROAD RESURFACING AND RESTORATION PROJECT. UH, THE ROADWAY SURFACES WITHIN THE KINGS MILL SUBDIVISION HAVE BEEN DETERMINED TO BE AT THE END OF THE LIFE, UH, ADDITIONAL GEOTECHNICAL TESTING WAS PERFORMED, DETERMINED WHAT TYPE OF RESTORATION WAS NEEDED. UH, BASED ON THAT, UH, WE'VE MADE THE DETERMINATION THAT THERE ARE PORTIONS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A, UM, ASPHALT BASE INSTALLATION IN ADDITION TO, UH, RESURFACING OF THE ROADWAY IN ORDER TO RESTORE, RESTORE THE RIDE QUALITY AND, UH, LONGEVITY TO THE ROADWAY SYSTEM. UM, THE, UH, RAIN STREET AND ROYALTY STREET ARE WHERE THE BLACK BASE INSTALLATION IS GOING TO OCCUR. UH, NOBILITY AVENUE, MAJESTIC AVENUE, KINGS MILL AVENUE, KINGDOM AVENUE AND EMPIRE AVENUE WILL RECEIVE A STANDARD, UH, TWO INCH MILL AND RESURFACING. SO THAT COVERS THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, THE WORK ORDER INCLUDES APPROXIMATELY 3.4 MILES OF RESURFACING, OF WHICH, UH, ALMOST 0.4 MILES OF THAT, UH, RESURFACING AREA WILL BE BASE RESTORATION. SO JUST THICKER ASPHALT. UM, THE ROADWAY LOCATIONS ARE IDENTIFIED IN THE, UH, ATTACHED EXHIBIT. UH, THE CONTRACTOR WILL HAVE APPROXIMATELY 270 DAYS FROM NOTICE OF COMMENCEMENT TO COMPLETE THE WORK INCLUDED WITH THIS WORK ORDER. UH, THIS PROJECT WAS ORIGINALLY A STANDALONE PROJECT, HOWEVER, IT WAS INSUFFICIENTLY FUNDED, UM, DUE TO, UH, RISES IN ASPHALT COSTS AND THE, UH, ADDITIONAL BLACK BASE PAVING THAT WAS REQUIRED. UM, THIS WAS A COMPONENT OF THE FISCAL YEAR 2022 PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT. UM, SUFFICIENT FUNDING IS NOT AVAILABLE WITHIN THE PROJECT BUDGET. UH, AN ADMINISTRATIVE TRANSFER IN THE AMOUNT OF $1 MILLION FROM PROJECT NUMBER 6 8 0 2 4 FISCAL YEAR 2024 RESURFACING PROGRAM IS REQUIRED. UM, WE'RE REQUESTING THE APPROVAL OF WORK ORDER 24 DASH ZERO SIX TO THE CONTRACT WITH VA PAVING, INCORPORATED WITH COCO FLORIDA FOR THE KINGSVILLE SUBDIVISION ROAD RESURFACING AND RESTORATION PROJECT 6 8 1 2 2 AND THE NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT OF $1,250,000. ALRIGHT, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. EZ? SEEING NONE, DO I HAVE A MOTION? THANKS, MAYOR MA'AM. APPROVAL OF WORK ORDER NUMBER 24 DASH ZERO SIX TO THE, UH, CONTRACT WITH VA PAVING INC. COCOA FLORIDA FOR THE KINGS MILL SUBDIVISION ROAD RESURFACING RESTORATION PROJECT 6 8 1 2 2 IN THE, IN THE NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT OF $1,250,000. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION BY MS. HANLEY, A SECOND BY MR. SMITH. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED I VOTE. AYE. AND THE MOTION PASSES. I NUMBER 10, MR. RENI. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UH, THIS IS WORK ORDER NUMBER 24 DASH ZERO SEVEN TO THE CONTRACT WITH VA PAVING INCORPORATED TO COCOA FLORIDA FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025. ASPHALT AND MILLING, [00:55:01] UM, ANNUAL RESURFACING PROGRAM, UH, 2014 PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PLAN, APPEND UNIFIED METHODOLOGIES, UH, USING, UH, MILLING RESURFACING CEILING, COLD PLACE IN PLACE, RECYCLING RE RECONSTRUCTION AND BASE REPAIRS TO OPTIMIZE CITY DOLLARS AND ACHIEVING AND MAINTAIN ACCEPTABLE PAVEMENT CONDITIONS AND STRUCTURAL CONDITIONS, UH, THROUGHOUT THE CITY. AND BASICALLY IT'S JUST THE PAVEMENT CONDITIONS. STRUCTURAL CONDITIONS ARE, UH, HOW WELL THE ROAD RIDES AND HOW LONG IT HAS ITS LEFT IN ITS, UM, USABLE SERVICE LIFE. UM, CITY'S MOWING AND RESURFACING EFFORTS ARE FOCUSED ON STREETS WITH AN AVERAGE PAVEMENT CONDITION OF, UH, PCI OR LESS THAN 60. UM, IT'S BASICALLY 60 A FAILING GRADE. UH, ONCE WE HAVE A ROADWAY THAT'S UNDER THAT, WE LOOK AT, UH, THAT TO BE RESURFACED, UM, BASED ON THE MULTIPLE DIFFERENT CONDITIONS, UH, ASSOCIATED WITH THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT'S ON IT, UH, WHEN IT WAS LAST REPAVED AND WHAT OTHER TRUCK REPAIRS MIGHT BE NECESSARY. UM, THE, WE'VE IDENTIFIED THE NEXT 34 ROADWAY SECTIONS FOR RESURFACING. UH, THIS WORK INCLUDES A TOTAL OF APPROXIMATELY 12.6 MILES OF ROADWAY RESURFACING, OF WHICH, UH, BASE REPAIRS, WHICH IS GONNA BE, UH, ASPHALT BLACK BASE IS REQUIRED ON APPROXIMATELY 3.7 MILES OF THE TOTAL RESURFACING AREA. UH, ROADWAY NAMES AND LOCATIONS ARE IDENTIFIED IN THE ATTACHED, UH, WORK ORDER DOCUMENTATION. UH, WE HAVE THE, UH, WE TRIED TO MAKE THIS AS EASILY, UM, VIEWABLE AS POSSIBLE. I DIDN'T WANNA PUT UP 34 4 DIFFERENT EXHIBITS FOR THE ROADWAYS. SO WE BROKE THE CITY INTO A NORTH AND HALF SECTION, UH, ON THE OVERHEAD. THIS IS THE NORTH PAVING EXHIBIT. UH, IT SHOWS WHERE WE'RE GONNA BE MAKING, UH, THE RESURFACING EFFORTS IN THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE CITY. AND KEVIN, COULD YOU DROP TO THE SOUTH? AND THIS IS THE SOUTHERN, UH, PAVING, UH, EXHIBIT. SO I SAID THIS IS 34 ROADWAY SECTIONS, UM, 12.6 MILES OF ROADWAY, 3.7 MILES OF THAT INCLUDES THE, UH, HEAVIER, UH, BASE REPAIRS. UM, CONTRACTOR WILL ALSO HAVE 270 DAYS FROM NOTICE OF COMMENCEMENT TO COMPLETE. THE PROJECT. UH, FUNDING IS AVAILABLE WITHIN THE PROJECT BUDGET, UH, FOR 6 8 0 2 5, UH, FISCAL YEAR 25 RESURFACING PROGRAM. WE'RE REQUESTING APPROVAL OF WORK ORDER NUMBER 24 DASH ZERO SEVEN TO THE CONTRACT WITH VA PAVING INCORPORATED COCOA FLORIDA IN THE AMOUNT OF NOT TO EXCEED OF $4 MILLION. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. ENNIS? SIR? UM, JUST TO BE CLEAR FOR MYSELF, UH, THIS IS ALL OF THE PAVING THAT WE'VE APPROVED AS A COUNCIL IN THE CONTRACT MOVING FORWARD FOR 20 25, 20 26. THIS IS PULLING FROM THE 2020 $5. YES, SIR. UH, THIS DOES NOT CONSTITUTE ALL OF THE ROADWAYS WE'RE GOING TO BE, UH, HITTING. WE STILL HAVE ADDITIONAL ROADS THAT ARE GONNA CONTINUE TO BE ADDED TO THE RESURFACING PROGRAM. OKAY. UH, THESE ARE JUST THE 34 THAT ARE READY TO GO. UH, WE WILL BE DOING, UH, CONTINUING TO, UM, ISSUE OR REQUEST ISSUANCE OF TASK ORDERS AND WORK ORDERS FOR PIPE REPAIRS AND, UH, RESURFACING AFTER THE DRAINAGE SYSTEMS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED. SO THESE ARE THE 34 THAT NOW HAVE RISEN TO THE TOP OF THE YES SIR. OF THE PILE. OKAY. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE JAMES. I CAN'T REMEMBER JENNY, THE GENTLEMAN THAT KEEPS COMING HERE ARE, IS THAT GONNA BE IN THE, THAT GENTLEMAN THAT WAS HERE ABOUT TWO WEEKS, TWO, TWO TIMES AGO. A KINGSTON NO, CALGARY. THAT'S CALGARY THAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED. YES. AND WE WERE WAITING FOR THE PIPELINING. OKAY. YES. SO WE, SO THE PAVING WE'RE ANTICIPATING TO HOPEFULLY GET TO, UH, SOMETIME IN THE JANUARY TIMEFRAME. UH, VA PAVING'S KIND OF SQUEEZING IN A COUPLE ADDITIONAL ROADS THAT THEY ALREADY HAVE IN THE, THE PIPELINE RIGHT NOW. AND THEN THEY'RE BOOKED FOR, UH, NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER, UH, FOR SOME VERY, UH, LARGE PROJECTS THAT ARE OCCURRING AT THE CAPE. AND THEN THEY'RE COMING BACK TO THE CITY OF MELBOURNE MOBILIZING BACK IN AND THEY'LL BE HITTING A LARGE NUMBER OF ROADWAYS WITHIN THE, THE CITY OF MELBOURNE STARTING IN JANUARY. WEATHER PENDING, OF COURSE. SO THE, THE GENTLEMAN, I, I CAN'T REMEMBER HIS NAME, THAT HAS BEEN HERE TWICE THAT BEEN UPSET THAT HE HAS A MORE OF A TIMEFRAME WHERE IT'S GONNA START. YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE FOR MR. ANES? SEEING NONE, DO I HAVE A MOTION? MAYOR SIR. LEMME SEE IF I'M ON THE RIGHT ONE HERE. UH, APPROVAL OF WORK ORDER NUMBER 24 DASH OH SEVEN, UM, TO THE CONTRACT WITH VA PAVING INC. UH, COCO, FLORIDA IN THE MOUNT, NOT TO EXCEED $4 MILLION. ALL RIGHT. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, SECOND. NO. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A MOTION BY MR. LEWIS. SO A SECOND BY MR. SMITH. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED AYE. VOTE AYE. AND THE MOTION PASSES. UM, NUMBER 11, MR. ENNIS. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UH, THIS IS FOR PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING SERVICES TASK ORDER WITH DRMP INCORPORATED, MERRITT ISLAND, FLORIDA FOR THE RIVERVIEW PARK ROUNDABOUT AND PARKING IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT IN THE AMOUNT OF $89,480. AS PART OF THE RIVERVIEW PARK MASTER PLAN. A TRAFFIC CIRCLE OR ROUNDABOUT, UH, WAS PROPOSED AT THE ENTRANCE TO RIVERVIEW PARK DUE TO THE CLOSE PROXIMITY OF THE SIG ICE INTERSECTION. AND, UM, WH JACKSON STREET, UH, ALONG WITH THE ERWIN STREET, UH, INTERSECTION ON THE EAST SIDE. UH, BASICALLY IRWIN COMES IN TOO CLOSE TO THE EXISTING WH JACKSON S ONE INTERSECTION. IT DOESN'T ALLOW FOR PROPER TRAFFIC QUEUING. UH, SO WE'RE PROPOSING A ROUNDABOUT TO BASICALLY ALLOW FOR A MUCH SMOOTHER TRAFFIC [01:00:01] FLOW. UH, THIS ALSO ELIMINATES THE SLIP LANE THAT'S COMING OFF US. ONE THAT, UM, RIGHT AWAY HAS ALREADY BEEN VACATED. UH, SO THIS WILL CLEAN THAT AREA UP AND BASICALLY PROVIDE FOR A SAFE AND HOPEFULLY EFFICIENT, UH, WAY TO GET, UH, TO AND FROM US. ONE ONTO IRWIN STREET. UH, TO BRING THE SPEEDS A LITTLE BIT LOWER, MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT SAFER THAN WHAT IT CURRENTLY, UH, EXISTS AS AND STILL ALLOW FOR AN IMPROVED, UH, TRAFFIC ACCESS TO RIVERVIEW PARK. UM, ON MAY 28TH, COUNCIL APPROVED THE ABANDONMENT AND VACATION OF IRWIN STREET, AS I JUST STATED, UM, AND OF, UH, PORTIONS OF LINE STREET. UM, LATER THAT YEAR, OR SORRY, LATER IN 2024, UPON COORDINATION WITH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT PARKS AND WORKS DEPARTMENT TASK ORDER WAS ISSUED TO DRMP FOR, UH, THE INITIAL SURVEYING AND PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING SERVICES. UM, THAT BASICALLY ALLOWED US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE GONNA BE ABLE TO MAKE THE CONFIGURATION WORK BEFORE WE CARRIED IT THROUGH TO, UH, FINAL DESIGN. UM, THE LAYOUT'S BEEN COMPLETED, IT'S BEEN ACCEPTED. UM, WE'RE READY TO MOVE FORWARD INTO THOSE FINAL, UH, DESIGN PLANNING DETAILS. AND THIS TASK ORDER COVERS THAT, UM, THAT PARTICULAR SCOPE OF WORK. UM, THIS WILL INCLUDE FINAL DESIGN PERMITTING, UH, REDESIGNED PARKING LOT SIDEWALK CONNECTIONS, A DA COMPLIANCE CROSSWALKS, UH, ALONG WITH ADDITIONAL GEOTECHNICAL EXPLORATIONS, UTILITY COORDINATION, COST ESTIMATING, AND, UH, SPECIFICATION PRODUCTION, ALONG WITH SOME FINALIZED TRAFFIC ANALYSIS FOR THE, UM, PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS, UH, FUNDING IS AVAILABLE IN THE PROJECT BUDGET. NUMBER ONE THREE, SORRY, PROJECT NUMBER 1, 3 3 2 3 WE'RE REQUESTING APPROVAL OF TASK ORDER NUMBER D-R-M-P-I DASH 2025 DASH 0 0 1 TO DRMP INCORPORATED, MERRITT ISLAND, FLORIDA FOR THE PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING SERVICES FOR RIVERVIEW PARK ROUNDABOUT AND PARKING IMPROVEMENTS. PROJECT NUMBER 1 3 3 2 3 IN THE AMOUNT OF $89,480. I JUST WANTED TO MENTION AND SLIGHTLY APOLOGIZE FOR THE TASK ORDER NUMBERING SYSTEM. UH, WE DID RECENTLY BREAK UP OUR CONSULTING CONTRACT. WE USED TO HAVE ONE GENERAL CONSULTANT. WE'VE NOW BROKEN INTO DIFFERENT CATEGORIES. SO WHEN YOU SEE THESE NEW TASK ORDER NUMBERS, UM, IT'LL GENERALLY BE THE FIRM'S NAME IN THIS CASE, D-R-M-P-I STANDS FOR INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, WHICH IS THE CATEGORY THAT IT FALLS IN. AND THEN THE YEAR AND NUMBERING SYSTEM, JUST TO CLARIFY ANY POTENTIAL, YOU KNOW, PROJECT ISSUANCE IN THE FUTURE. GREAT. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. ENNIS? I HAVE A QUESTION, SIR. UH, SO MS. DENNIS, UH, YOU TALK ABOUT WITHIN THIS, THE RIVERVIEW PARK, UH, MASTER PLAN. ANY IDEA AS FAR AS THIS PROJECT, HOW MANY OTHER ITEMS OR THE STATUS OF THE OVERALL RIVERVIEW, UH, MASTER PARK, UH, PLAN, MASTER PLAN? SO WE'RE COORDINATING THOSE ACTIVITIES WITH, UM, THE, UH, PARKS DEPARTMENT. UH, WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON THE, UH, INSTALLATION AND DESIGN OF A, UH, BATH NEW BATHROOMS, UH, FOR THAT FACILITY. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY DIFFERENT PROJECTS OR PHASES THAT THE MASTER PLAN IS GONNA BE BROKEN INTO, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE PROGRESSING WITH, UM, AS FUNDS BECOME AVAILABLE. ANOTHER ADDITIONAL PROJECT THAT WE HAVE GOING ON IN THAT AREA THAT'S PLANNED IS GOING TO BE A LARGE BAFFLE BOX, UH, THAT IS GONNA BE LOCATED IN THE SOUTHEAST OF THE PARK. UH, THAT'S GONNA BE ADDRESSING, UH, DRAINAGE THAT COMES THROUGH THAT AREA. UH, AND WE'RE GONNA BE MAKING SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PARK AS PART OF THE INSTALLATION OF THE BAFFLE BOX. SO, UM, I SAY THAT THERE'S GONNA BE MULTIPLE MORE PROJECTS. I DON'T HAVE AN EXACT NUMBER ON, ON HOW MANY THAT'LL BE AND HOW LONG IT'LL TAKE TO GET TO THAT EVENTUAL, UH, GOAL OF THE FINAL MASTER PLAN BUILD OUT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. I'M GOOD FOR NOW. GREAT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ONE, SIR, HOW MANY BAFFLE BOXES DO WE HAVE? ? IT'S OKAY, JAMES. IT'S GONNA BE THE ONGOING JOKE, 22 2 UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND, UH, TWO UNDER, UH, THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING THE, UM, FLOW MONITORING FOR. WE'RE GETTING READY TO DO THE FLOW MONITORING FOR RIVERVIEW. AND, UH, AS, AS SOON AS WE'RE DONE WITH THAT, THAT LETS US MOVE INTO THE DESIGN PHASE FOR THOSE. SO I'M JUST SO GRATEFUL THAT WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE AHEAD OF THE CURVE ON ALL OF THIS, BUT WE YOU GOT, YOU GOT 12 MORE MONTHS OF ME ASKING THE SAME QUESTION. SO, YOU KNOW, WE ARE DEFINITELY DOING THE BEST OUT OF MOST OF THE MUNICIPALITIES. UM, YES, WE ARE IN THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON BMAP. UM, I WILL SAY THAT, UM, DANNY TROUB, OUR, UH, MY ASSISTANT CITY ENGINEER MM-HMM THAT HAS BEEN HANDLING THAT PARTICULAR PORTION OF OUR PROGRAM, HAS DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB, UH, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE MEETING THE, UM, INDIAN RIVER LAGOON BASED IN MANAGEMENT ACTION PLAN GOALS. AND SHE WILL HOPEFULLY KEEP OUR, UH, FEET OUT OF THE HOT WATER, UH, WITH REGARDS TO GETTING THE NUTRIENT REDUCTIONS AND MEETING THOSE GOALS WITH THE STATE. SO, AND I BELIEVE THAT YOU'VE ALL DONE A GREAT JOB. REALLY. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR EFFORTS ON THAT. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, DO I HAVE A MOTION? I MAYOR MA'AM. APPROVAL OF TASK ORDER NUMBER D-R-M-P-I 2025 DASH 0 0 1 TO DRM P INC. BARRETT ISLAND, FLORIDA FOR PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING SERVICES FOR RIVERVIEW PARK ROUNDABOUT AND PARKING IMPROVEMENTS. PROJECT NUMBER 1 3 3 2 3 IN THE AMOUNT OF 89,480. [01:05:01] GREAT. AND I'LL SECOND THAT. SO MOTION BY MS. MASSON, A SECOND BY MYSELF. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED AYE. VOTE AYE. AND THE MOTION PASSES. ALRIGHT, ITEM NUMBER 12, MS. BAGNOLI. GOOD EVENING. THIS IS A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING SERVICES CONTRACT TASK ORDER WITH DRMP FOR LIFT STATION 55 REHABILITATION PROJECT IN THE AMOUNT OF $109,275. LIFT STATION 55 IS LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF STEWART ROAD, UM, ALMOST RIGHT AT THE INTERSECTION WITH SWEETWOOD DRIVE. AND, UM, IT'S REACHED THE END OF ITS SERVICE LIFE. THE EXISTING STATION HAS A DUPLEX SYSTEM, UM, WITH AN OPERATING CAPACITY OF 1400 GALLONS A MINUTE. AND THE PROPOSED STATION WILL INCLUDE A NEW WET WELL WITH MODERNIZED PUMPS. AND, UM, BECAUSE THIS STATION HAS BEEN, UM, CONSIDERED WITH ADDITIONAL FLOWS COMING, UM, OFF THE PINEAPPLE AVE CORRIDOR, WE'VE HAD SOME INTEREST IN SOME PROJECTS, UH, MAKING SOME CHANGES OUT THERE THAT WOULD NEED MORE CAPACITY IN LIFT STATIONS 21 AND 26. WE'VE NOW LOOKED AT THE POSSIBILITY OF TURNING THOSE FLOWS AROUND GOING WEST, UM, TO A MANHOLE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS. AND THEN THAT WOULD EVENTUALLY GET TO LIFT STATION 55 IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT ADDITIONAL OR, UH, DEVELOPMENT 55 HAS TO BE EXPANDED FIRST AND WE COULD GET, UM, AN EXTRA 600 GALLONS A MINUTE. SO, UM, THE SCOPE IS, YOU KNOW, TO DO THE BOUNDARY SURVEY, ALL THE ENGINEERING SERVICES FOR THE STATION. AND, UM, IT'S EXPECTED TO TAKE APPROXIMATELY 210 DAYS. WE DO HAVE FUNDING AVAILABLE IN THE PROJECT BUDGET AND REQUESTING APPROVAL OF THE TASK COURT OR DRMP. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. PLI? SEEING NONE, DO I HAVE A MOTION? VICE MAYOR MA'AM. APPROVAL OF TEST ORDER NUMBER DR. D-R-M-P-U 2025 DASH 0 0 1 TO DRMP INC. MERIT ISLAND, FLORIDA FOR THE PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER SERVICE FOR LIFT STATION NUMBER 55 REHAB PROJECT NUMBER 3 2 5 2 6 IN THE AMOUNT OF $109,275. SECOND. ALL WE HAVE A MOTION BY MS. HANLEY, SECOND BY MS. KENNEDY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED AYE VOTE AYE. AND THE MOTION PASSES. ITEM NUMBER 13, MS. BAGNOLI. THIS IS A REQUEST TO UTILIZE, UM, A CITY CONTRACT WITH CONCURRENT UTILITY SERVICES FOR THE SARNO ROAD E EMERGENCY FORCE MAIN REPLACEMENT PROJECT. UM, YOU MAY KNOW THAT ON OCTOBER 12TH, THE CITY STAFF WAS NOTIFIED THAT A WASTEWATER FORCE MAIN BREAK AT 10 70 SARNO ROAD, UM, HAD OCCURRED AND IMMEDIATELY MOBILIZED TO INVESTIGATE AND IT WAS DETERMINED TO BE, UM, A LARGE BREAK IN OUR 16 INCH DUCTILE IRON FORCE MAIN. AND THIS FORCE MAIN TAKES ALL OF THE FLOWS FROM THE NORTH HALF OF THE CITY, UM, GOES UNDER THE ALI RIVER AND COMES UP AND DOWN APOLLO BOULEVARD TO SARNO TO THE BACKSIDE OF THE DB LEE WASTEWATER FACILITY. AND, UM, THAT IS, I THINK, THE LARGEST FORCE MAIN THAT WE HAVE COMING FROM THAT AREA. IT CAN ONLY BE SHUT DOWN ON A GOOD DAY FOR ABOUT THREE HOURS BETWEEN 10 AND TWO IN THE MORNING, SOMEWHERE IN THERE. UM, ANYTHING MORE THAN THAT REQUIRES US TO PROVIDE A LOT OF PUMPING SERVICES OR, UM, SO, UM, OBVIOUSLY HAVING A BREAK ON THAT LINE IS NOT, UM, GOOD FOR THE UTILITIES OR THE FACILITY. SO, UM, WE HAD TO HIRE A CONTRACTOR TO COME IN AND COMPLETE A BYPASS AND, UM, AND REPLACE 130 FEET OF, OF THE OLD DUCTILE IRON PIPE WITH NEW PVC. NOW, BETWEEN THAT REPAIR AND THE DB LEE, UH, WATER RECLAMATION FACILITY IS ANOTHER 380 LINEAR FEET OF 10 INCH AND 900 LINEAR FEET OF 16 INCH. BOTH OLDER DUCTILE IRON PIPES THAT ENTER INTO THE SIDE OF THE FACILITY. AND WITHIN THE FACILITY WE HAVE ANOTHER 400 LINEAR FEET OF 24 INCH. THAT'S FROM 1965 FROM THE OLD, ONE OF THE OLD PLANTS. I DON'T KNOW IF, UM, APPARENTLY BEFORE MY TIME DB LEE, OR BEFORE I LIVED HERE, I SHOULDN'T SAY MY TIME , BUT BEFORE I LIVED HERE, UM, DB LEE WAS REALLY MADE UP OF THREE DIFFERENT PACKAGE [01:10:01] PLANTS. THEY WERE JUST SO A SMALL PLANT, THEY ADDED ANOTHER PLANT, ADDED ANOTHER PLANT. AND IT WASN'T UNTIL YEARS LATER THAT THOSE WERE ALL DEMOLISHED AND THEY BUILT A FACILITY THAT COULD BE EXPANDED AS IT GOES. AND, UM, SO SOME OF THIS OLD PIPE, NEW NEWER PIPES BEEN PUT IN, BUT THIS WAS NEVER ACTUALLY CUT OFF AND REMOVED. AND SINCE WE HAD TO DO SOME REPAIRS A COUPLE YEARS AGO, TWICE IT WAS INSIDE THE PLANT, UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO REPLACE THAT ALSO AND GET THAT DONE AS AN EMERGENCY, UM, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANNA HAVE ANOTHER BREAK ON THAT LINE. UM, SO WE HA WE HAD A, UH, QUOTE REQUESTED FROM CONCURRENT UTILITY SERVICES, WHICH WE DO HAVE A CONTRACT WITH FOR HORIZONTAL DIRECTIONAL DRILL SERVICES. AND, UM, FUNDING IS NOT AVAILABLE. SO A NEW PROJECT NUMBER HAS TO BE CREATED 3 2 7 2 6 TO BE ESTABLISHED AND A BUDGET TRANSFER OF $1,041,000 FROM OUR PROJECT 3 0 0 9 9, WHICH IS THE, UH, WATER AND SEWER UNAPPROPRIATED BUDGET SAVINGS IS NECESSARY TO APPROPRIATE THE FUNDS. UM, AND THEN THE REQUEST TO UTILIZE THE CONTRACT WITH CONCURRENT TO REPLACE THE PIPE. OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, SIR? UM, SO MY, MY QUESTIONS ARE HOW MANY MORE 16 INCH FORCE MAINS DO WE HAVE THROUGHOUT THE CITY, YOU THINK? UM, 16 INCH DUCTILE IRON FORCE MAINS. THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE, OR THIS INFRASTRUCTURE SIMILAR TO THAT? YEAH, THIS IS THE MAIN ONE. WE HAVE REPLACED PARTS OF IT AND WE'VE ACTUALLY HAVE OUR, IN OUR WATER RECLAMATION FACIL OR OUR WASTEWATER COLLECTION MASTER PLAN, WE HAVE A NEW FORCE MAIN SYSTEM, WHICH IS TO COME DOWN CROTON ROAD TO, UM, CROTON AND THE AIRPORT AND THEN GO DOWN THE, UM, THE DITCH. SO PART OF THAT'S ALREADY BEEN BUILT. APOLLO DOWN THE MOSQUITO DITCH TO CROTON ROAD IS ALREADY CONSTRUCTED. WE'RE GETTING READY TO THE NEXT PHASE, GO NORTH TO, UM, PICK UP SOME ADDITIONAL LIFT STATIONS AND THEN THAT'LL GO EVEN FURTHER NORTH. THAT LIFT STATION 55, WHICH IS ON THE OTHER PROJECT, IS GONNA BE ABLE TO TURN AROUND AND PUMP TWO ALL BRAND NEW. WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING IT THAT WAY. THESE OTHER MAINS CAN EITHER BE TAKEN OUTTA SERVICE OR MAINTAINED IN A, UM, WHERE WE CAN ACTUALLY TAKE IT OUT TO MAKE REPLACEMENTS OR REPAIRS WITHOUT BEING UNDER THE GUN, SO TO SAY. SO, UM, THIS IS PROBABLY THE, THE LARGEST ONE, BUT WE HAVE PLENTY OF DUCTILE IRON AND CAST IRON PIPE IN OUR SYSTEM AND WE'RE REPLACING IT AS WE GO. I DON'T, OFFHAND I COULDN'T TELL YOU A LOT OF OUR, A LOT OF OUR PIPELINES THAT WE CAN, WE'D LINE THEM WITH A, LIKE A PLASTIC LINER, WHICH GIVES IT A NEW 50 YEAR LIFE, BUT IN, UH, THESE FORCE MAINS, YOU REALLY CAN'T TAKE IT DOWN IN ORDER TO DO THAT. OH, WELL, WELL THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING 'CAUSE YOU ANSWERED MULTIPLE QUESTIONS, , SO THANK YOU. THAT WAS A GREAT ANSWER. SO, UH, BECAUSE THE, THE QUESTION WAS, UH, HOW MANY IRON PIPES AND, AND DO WE HAVE A PLAN THAT WE ARE MODERNIZING OR LOOKING AND ADDRESSING THE SITUATION SO THAT WAY, UH, WE'RE PREPARED FOR ANY SURPRISES AND THEN ALSO AS THE CITY OF MELBOURNE THAT WE'RE SORT OF LEADING THE WAY WE'RE IDENTIFYING THESE ISSUES AND WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING OUT IN FRONT OF THEM SO THAT WAY, UH, WE CAN OKAY. THAT, THAT WAS REALLY GOOD QUESTION BY ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MS. BAGNOLI? VICE MAYOR? ALRIGHT, SIR, REAL QUICK. HEY, JENNIFER. UH, UH, IT WOULD BE FAIR TO SAY THAT THE, UM, UH, THESE PIPES ARE MAINLY LOCATED IN THE, UM, OLDER SECTIONS OF THE CITY. YES. AND SO AS WE MOVE FROM ALI AND DOWNTOWN MELBOURNE AND, AND EAST AND THEN GO CERTAINLY TOWARDS THE WEST, UM, IT, IT'S, IT'S DIFFICULT. I REMEMBER DURING THE TIMES OF REPLACING THE, UH, CAST IRON AND THE, UH, THOSE PIPES DOWN IN THE, UH, HYDE PARK AREA. YES. AND SO, UH, UM, GREAT CONFIDENCE. I I, I'M LOVING IT. I REALLY AM. I MEAN, CLEAN WATER IS, IS CLEAN LIFE IS, GOSH, YOU KNOW, I DON'T GET ANY PHONE CALLS, SO THAT'S COOL, YOU KNOW. YES. THANKS. THANKS. THANK YOU. GREAT. ANYBODY ELSE? DO I HAVE A MOTION VICE MAYOR MA'AM? AUTHORIZATION TO ESTABLISH WATER WASTEWATER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT NUMBER 3 2 7 2 6. AND A BUDGET TRANSFER FROM PROJECT NUMBER 3 0 0 9 9 SECOND. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A MOTION BY MS. HANLEY, A SECOND BY MS. BASSETT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED I VOTE. AYE. AND THE MOTION PASSES. IM NUMBER 14. THE CONSENT AGENDA. I AM MINUTE, BUT THERE'S B OH B OH, I'M SORRY. BB MA'AM. REQUEST DO UTILIZE CONTRACT P 2 0 2 501 5K 0 2 0 2 5 SLASH KL. GOTTA GET NEW, GOTTA GET WITH CONCURRENT UTILITY [01:15:01] SERVICE LC OF ROCKLEDGE FOR FLORIDA FOR THE UTILITY FOR A SARNO ROAD EMERGENCY FOREST MAIN REPLACEMENT PROJECT 3 2 7 2 6 FOR A, FOR A NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT OF $1,041,000. SECOND. ALRIGHT. MOTION BY MS. HANLEY, A SECOND BY MS. BASSETT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? AYE. VOTE AYE. AND THE MOTION PASSES. ALRIGHT, ITEM NUMBER 14, CONSENT AGENDA. I'M UNDER THE IMPRESSION C HAS BEEN PULLED. IS THAT CORRECT? STILL? THAT'S CORRECT, SIR. ALRIGHT. DO I HAVE A MOTION FOR ITEMS A AND B? VICE MAYOR, MA'AM? APPROVE OF, UM, CONSENT AGENDAS A THROUGH B. OKAY. SECOND I. MOTION BY MS. HANLEY, A SECOND BY MR. SMITH. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? AYE. VOTE AYE. AND THE MOTION PASSES. ITEM C. ALRIGHT. MR. LARUSSO DID, YOU'RE THE ONE WHO PULLED IT, I BELIEVE? YES, I DID. YES. OKAY. UH, UH, BRIEFLY, THERE'S A FEW, UM, UM, UH, THERE'S JUST A FEW QUESTIONS THAT I, THAT I HAVE IN COMPARISON. UH, BASICALLY, I DON'T MEAN TO JUMP IN FRONT OF AND GET TO, UH, THE GRANT FUNDING FOR THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN MELBOURNE DOWN DOWNTOWN COMMUNITY, UH, BUT THE COMPARISON IS SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I'M, I'M JUST LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW MM-HMM . UH, NUMBER ONE, AND I'M SURE THAT YOU, YOU, YOU GUYS CAN, CAN YOU ANSWER THIS FOR ME? UH, IS THAT THE, UH, GRANTS AND AID COMMITTEE, UM, THAT THE, UH, EGA HAD TO GO THROUGH FOR THE, UH, ADDITIONAL FUNDING, UH, VERSUS THE DOWNTOWN, UH, MELBOURNE, UH, DIDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE GRANTS AND AID, UH, COMMITTEE. SO, UH, CAN YOU DESCRIBE THAT FOR ME REAL QUICKLY? OH, THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT GRANTS AND AID FUNDING IS FOR GENERAL FUND PROJECTS. THE, UM, THE MELBOURNE MAIN STREET COMES OUT OF THE CRA FUNDS. JUST WANTED TO MAKE CLEAR, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR. UM, THAT WE, WE, WE ADDED ADDITIONAL FUNDING THIS YEAR. UM, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT ON THAT, ALL OF YOU. UM, AND THAT INCLUDED ALSO, UH, I BELIEVE, UH, WAS THE, UM, UH, WAS THE CHRISTMAS, UH, TREE LIGHTING, THE, THE, THE ENVIRONMENT OF THE CHRISTMAS, UH, ENVIRONMENT. AND SO, UM, WE ALL RECEIVED AN EMAIL THAT THERE'S A PRIVATE, UM, A, UH, PRIVATE CITIZEN THAT IS ONCE AGAIN DOING THE DOWNTOWN, THE A ALLEY TREE LIGHTING, UH, MR. GEORGE ALEXANDER, AND IN CONJUNCTION WITH MR. DAVID WICKHAM. UM, THEY'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR A LOT OF YEARS, BUT I HAD ASKED TO PULL THAT AND PUT IT INTO KATHY'S HANDS BECAUSE LAST YEAR WE WEREN'T INVITED TO IT. SO I WAS A LITTLE DISTURBED ABOUT THAT, AND I CAN'T IMAGINE ANYBODY ELSE WASN'T, BUT WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE ANY CLUE. UH, SO CAN YOU TELL ME WHY WE'RE GETTING AN EMAIL FROM, UH, THE PRIVATE CITIZENS AGAIN, THAT THEY'RE PUTTING ON THE, UH, UH, THE CHRISTMAS TREE LIGHTING AND ALTHOUGH WE'VE TASKED EG AD TO DO THIS VERY THING? SO THAT'S ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE. AND SO WE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, I BELIEVE IT WAS A $17,000 DEAL OR SOME, IF THAT RINGS A BELL IN MY MIND, UH, I I, I'D LIKE TO BRING THAT OUT INTO THE OPEN SURE. MM-HMM . AND FIND OUT WHAT, WHERE, HOW, AND WHEN. AND, AND IN IN ALL IN, IN ALL DISCLOSURE, KATHY AND I ARE SUPPOSED TO MEET TOMORROW MORNING AT 10 30 TO DISCUSS THIS VERY ITEM. UH, BUT IT CAME UP BEFORE US, YOU KNOW, IN THE AGENDA. SO, UM, UH, VICE MAYOR, IF YOU, IF, DO YOU WANT ME TO CALL HER UP? SO OUR SPEAKER, WE HAVE A SPEAKER CARD FOR MS. KATHY ELIAS. DO YOU WANNA COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND GIVE US YOUR THOUGHTS? HI, KATHY ALI IS, UM, MELBOURNE, FLORIDA, FIVE 40 MONTREAL AVENUE. SO I WANTED TO PROVIDE SOME CLARIFICATION ON THAT BECAUSE YES, IT'S, IT'S BEEN PART OF OUR AGREEMENT HISTORICALLY THAT WE ARE IN CHARGE OF THE, COULD YOU PULL THE MICROPHONE DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT, KATHY? SORRY. THANK YOU. UM, IT'S BEEN PART OF OUR AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY HISTORICALLY THAT WE ARE IN CHARGE OF THE HOLIDAY TREE LINING EVENT NOW, UM, MR. GEORGE ALEXANDER WITH A'S HARDWARE, IT'S NOT THAT THE EVENT, IT'S PRIVATE, AT LEAST I KNOW THIS YEAR. 'CAUSE I WAS INVOLVED IN THE PAPERWORK. IT IS ESSENTIALLY HE'S SPONSORING THE EVENT NOW. EGA IS CO-SIGNING IT. IT IS OUR LIABILITY INSURANCE INVOLVED, UM, WHEN WE REQUESTED ADDITIONAL FUNDING. YES. PART OF THAT WAS TO EXTEND WHAT WE DO FOR THE TREE LINING EVENT. UM, THE $17,000 AMOUNT CAME OFF OF WHAT DOWNTOWN MELBOURNE REQUIRES TO PUT UP THE DECORATION ON THE STREET POLES. RIGHT. WE HAVE NEVER, YEAH, WE CAME YEAH, BEFORE DONE IT. SO I WASN'T SURE WHAT THE AMOUNT WOULD BE. I JUST KIND OF WEIGH BASED OFF ON MY CONVERSATION WITH DOWNTOWN MELBOURNE. UM, WE WERE ABLE TO GET A QUOTE FOR MUCH LESS BECAUSE WE HAVE A MUCH SMALLER FOOTPRINT. SO THAT'S HOW, FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE GALLEY ARTS DISTRICT, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO STREET DECORATIONS NOW. UM, THE TREE LINING EVENT SPONSORED BY O GALLEY, UM, OR A HARDWARE WILL REMAIN AS IS. OUR GOAL WAS TO EXPAND IT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR BUDGET, IT DIDN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE TO OVERTAKE [01:20:01] SOMETHING THAT WAS ALREADY SPONSORED. SO WHAT WE WANTED TO DO WAS EXPAND WHAT WERE THEY WERE DOING AND PUT MONEY INTO EXTENDING THE DECORATIONS ONTO THE STREET, SUPPORTING OUR MERCHANTS SO THAT THEY COULD DO MORE DECORATIONS ON THEIR WINDOWS. AND OBVIOUSLY THE MARKETING AND THE FULL PROGRAMMING THAT COMES WITH THE TREE LINING EVENT BECAUSE IT ALSO FALLS ON A FIRST FRIDAY. SO WE WANTED TO EXPAND OUR MARKETING OF THAT AND BRING MORE FOOD TRAFFIC. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT, EVEN THOUGH, UM, I SAW THE EMAIL AND I, I'M ACTUALLY ALSO SURPRISED THAT I WASN'T PART OF THAT EMAIL. BUT, UM, WE BOTH SIGN ON THE PAPERWORK WITH PARKS AND REC TO PUT THE EVENT FORWARD AND IT'S, UM, E AD'S LIABILITY INSURANCE. IT'S ALSO ON THE PARK, SO IT IS A JOINT, UM, EFFORT, IF THAT ANSWERS HIS QUESTIONS. YEAH, SURE. VICE MAYOR. UH, THANKS KATHY. SURE. SO THAT, THAT WAS WHERE MY CONFUSION CAME IN AND THAT'S WHERE MY, UM, UH, FEELING OF BEING, UH, AS A CITY AND AS A COUNCIL, BEING DISRESPECTED LAST YEAR, THAT WE WEREN'T EVEN EVEN INVITED TO THE DOWNTOWN O GALLEY TREE LIGHTING, WHICH HAS BEEN TRADITIONALLY BOTH DOWNTOWN MELBOURNE AND DOWNTOWN UGALI, EVERYBODY'S BEEN INCLUDED. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS INTENTIONAL. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS UNINTENTIONAL. UM, BUT THERE'S BEEN FRICTION BETWEEN MYSELF AND MR. ALEXANDER FOR MANY YEARS, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, AND I SAY THAT OUT LOUD. TRIED TO RESOLVE THAT, HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO COME TO RESOLVE YET. SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE REST OF OUR CITY AND THE REST OF OUR COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR, UM, HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO INVITE, UM, TO PROMOTE, UH, THE TREE LIGHTING IN DOWNTOWN ON GALLEY, WHICH DIDN'T HAPPEN LAST YEAR. AND SO NOW I SEE THE EMAIL, AND SO WE HAVE THE CONVERSATION. SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAD PART OF THAT PROCESS PART, YOU OWNED PART OF THAT ABSOLUTELY. SO THAT WE COULD DO EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING. OKAY. ABSOLUTELY. SO THAT, THAT, THAT WAS MY CONCERN, KATHY. NOT THAT YOU'RE NOT DOING YOUR JOB, NOT THAT YOU'RE NOT FOLLOWING UP OR ANYTHING, BUT IT WAS JUST A LITTLE SURPRISE MM-HMM . UH, TO RECEIVE THAT EMAIL YESTERDAY AND WE'RE MEETING TOMORROW. SO I THINK TIMING WAS A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, OBSCURED. THAT'S ABSOLUTELY, WE WEREN'T ALSO, WE WERE TECHNICALLY NOT EVEN INVITED BECAUSE I DIDN'T RECEIVE THE EMAIL. SO IT IS PART OF OUR SCHEDULE OF, UM, E-BLAST TO GO OUT TO INVITE THE TREAT LINING. BUT WE HAVE THE ARTWORKS EVENT COMING UP. WE HAVE A FESTIVAL AND WE HAVE, UM, FIRST FRIDAY COMING UP. SO THAT E-BLAST JUST WENT OUT TODAY. AND THEN THE FOLLOWING E-BLAST WAS TO INCLUDE THE INVITATION FIRST, THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, AND THEN TO ANNOUNCE IT TO THE PUBLIC. SO I'M SORRY THAT THERE WAS A OVERLAP IN INVITING PEOPLE. NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. NOT, NOT AT ALL. I'M NOT CALLING YOU OUT AT ALL, AND I'M NOT CALLING ANYBODY OUT. I'M JUST SAYING THAT IN THE PAST THERE HAS BEEN, THERE HAS BEEN FRICTION BETWEEN MYSELF. IT'S BEEN A PERSONAL THING AND I WANTED TO TAKE IT OUT OF THE PERSONAL REALM, AND I WANTED TO PUT IT INTO THE PUBLIC REALM AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME TO A DOWNTOWN ALI TO ENJOY THE, UH, FESTIVITIES, TO SUPPORT THE MERCHANTS. ABSOLUTELY. AND SO, UH, AND THAT INCLUDES THE SEVEN OF US THAT SIT UP HERE THAT PROMOTE THAT AS WELL TOO, THAT WE DID NOT HAVE A CHANCE TO DO THAT LAST YEAR. SO NOW WE DO. AND I'M VERY HAPPY, AND I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY I PULLED THIS TONIGHT. THAT'S WHY I I SENT YOU THE EMAIL EARLIER TODAY TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I HAD, UH, PULLED THIS OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA. AWESOME. UH, I THINK YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB. THANK YOU. UM, I, I APPRECIATE ALL YOUR EFFORTS, UM, AND I'M HEARING A LOT OF GREAT THINGS EVEN FROM YOU, UH, . UH, SO, UH, UH, GREAT JOB. AND, UM, LET'S, UH, JUST KEEP THAT GOING. AND THIS IS MY LAST CHRISTMAS WITH YOU GUYS, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IT'LL BE AN AWESOME EVENT, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THANK YOU SO MUCH. I APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? UH, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. UM, LEMME, LEMME GET THERE. OH, MAN. ALL RIGHT. UM, VICE MAYOR SIR, UH, APPROVAL OF FUNDING AGREEMENT BETWEEN CITY OF MELBOURNE AND A GALL ARTS DISTRICT MAIN STREET IN THE AMOUNT OF $85,000 IN FISCAL YEAR 2026. AND AUTHORIZATION FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE AGREEMENT. ALRIGHT, SECOND. ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION BY MS. RUSO, A SECOND BY MS. BASS. AND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED I VOTE. AYE. AND THE MOTION PASSES. ALRIGHT. COUNSEL WILL NOW CONVENE AS THE MELBOURNE DOWNTOWN CRA AND CINDY DITMER WILL BE, UH, PRESENTING ITEM NUMBER 16. GOOD EVENING MAYOR COUNSEL. UH, SO THIS IS A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF THE FY 25 26, UM, GRANT FUNDING AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE MELBOURNE DOWNTOWN CRA AND THE MELBOURNE MAIN STREET, UM, IN THE AMOUNT OF $156,550. UH, THE AGREEMENTS FOR SERVICES THAT STARTED THIS PAST OCTOBER ONE THROUGH NEXT SEPTEMBER 30TH, UM, THE, UH, MELBOURNE MAIN STREET DID MAKE A PRESENTATION TO THE MELBOURNE CRA, UM, ADVISORY COMMITTEE AS THEY DO ANNUALLY. UM, PRO PROPOSED, UM, PRESENTED THE ANNUAL REPORT AND DEMONSTRATED THAT THEY DO CONTINUE TO FULFILL THEIR CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS FOR A FLORIDA MAIN STREET PROGRAM. UM, THE PROVISION OF THE MAIN STREET PROGRAM IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR MELBOURNE DOWNTOWN CRA, WHICH [01:25:01] IS HOW WE'RE ABLE TO FUND THAT. UM, SOME OF THE PARTNERSHIPS THAT WE HAVE WITH MELBOURNE MAIN STREET THROUGH THIS AGREEMENT, UM, INVOLVE THE FACADE IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, BUSINESS WAY FINDING THE MELBOURNE MAIN STREET DESIGN TEAM INITIATIVES, PARKING MANAGEMENT, AND THE COMMUNITY POLICING PROGRAM. UM, THE CRA FUNDING, UM, IS SPECIFICALLY FOR ADMINISTRATIVE AND OPERATING, UM, EXPENSES. UM, THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN. THERE ARE NOT ANY SPECIAL EVENTS FUNDED, UM, WITH THIS BECAUSE IT IS CRA, UM, FUNDING. UM, AND ADDITIONALLY THIS, UM, FUNDING AGREEMENT IS, UM, CONSISTENT WITH FLORIDA STATUTE 1 63 3 70, AND ALSO CONSISTENT WITH OUR CRA BUDGET POLICY NUMBER 5 0 1. SO, UM, JUST WANNA POINT THAT OUT ON BOTH OF THOSE ACCOUNTS. THE, UM, MELBOURNE DOWNTOWN ADVISORY COMMITTEE DID, UM, HEAR THE ANNUAL REPORT PRESENTATION AT THE AUGUST OR OCTOBER 3RD MEETING, AND THEY DID UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMEND APPROVAL, UM, OF FUNDING AGAIN IN THE, UM, FOR THE FY 25 26. THERE IS AVAILABLE FUNDING WITHIN THE BUDGET LINE ITEM FOR THIS, UM, IN THAT AMOUNT. AND STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF FY 25 26 GRANT FUNDING AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE MELBOURNE DOWNTOWN CRA AND THE MELBOURNE MAIN STREET. OKAY. UM, ANY QUESTIONS FOR CINDY? AND THE ONLY THING I HAVE IS NEARLY A YEAR AGO, I THINK I WAS A LITTLE BIT CRITICAL ON, UH, SOME OF THE, UH, STAFF INVOLVEMENT WORKING WITH ALL MAIN STREET, CINDY. AND I THINK YOU'VE DONE A FANTASTIC JOB AND YOUR TEAM HAVE JUST DONE AMAZING WORK WORKING TOGETHER WITH KIM AND HER TEAM. AND I JUST WANNA THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR EVERYTHING YOU'RE DOING WITH THEM AND I'M GRATEFUL FOR, FOR THIS PACKAGE YOU PUT IN FRONT OF US. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR EVERYTHING. OKAY. WE'RE GOOD. I THANK YOU. AND I DEFINITELY, THE, THE CHANGES I THINK THAT WE ADDED INTO THE AGREEMENT LAST YEAR HAVE BEEN VERY MUTUALLY, UM, BENEFICIAL TO ALL OF US. UM, THE BOARD, THE MEL MAIN STREET BOARD AND STAFF, UM, HAVE DEFINITELY SEEN THAT. GREAT. ALRIGHT. I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. OH WAIT, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE ANY SIGN SHEETS? NOPE. OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL. DO I HAVE A MOTION? VICE MAYOR MA'AM. APPROVAL APPROVAL OF THE FINANCIAL YEAR 20 25, 20 26 GRANT FUNDING AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE MELBOURNE DOWNTOWN COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY AND THE MELBOURNE MAIN STREET INC. AND I WILL SECOND THAT. SO A MOTION BY MS. HANLEY, A SECOND BY MYSELF. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED I VOTE. AYE. AND THE MOTION PASSES. ALRIGHT, COUNSEL WILL RECONVENE AND WE WILL NOW GO TO ITEM NUMBER 17. UM, AND THIS IS PRESENTED BY MS. DIMMER. OKAY. SO, UM, WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING TO, UM, GO THROUGH THE PROPOSED, UM, THE SUBMITTED UNSOLICITED DETAILED PROPOSAL THAT THE CITY'S RECEIVED FROM MELBOURNE HOSPITALITY, UM, HOLDINGS INC. UM, JUST DO A, A OVERVIEW, UM, OF THE PROJECT AND, UM, THE CURRENT STATUS OF THEIR, UM, RECENT, UM, DETAILED PROPOSAL THAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED. UM, THE, UH, PROJECT IS, UM, THIS CV WE'RE LOOKING FOR THAT FOR, FOR REVIEW AND, UM, DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL TO TAKE THE NEXT STEPS FORWARD, WHICH WOULD BE A P THREE COMPREHENSIVE, UM, PLAN AGREEMENT. UM, THE PROJECT IS A JOINT USE PARKING GARAGE THAT IS SITUATED JUST TO THE SOUTH OF THE OGA CIVIC CENTER. UM, COUNCIL HAS SEEN THIS PROJECT TO, UM, PREVIOUS TIMES IN, UM, JUNE OF 2024 WHEN THERE WAS A CONCEPTUAL PROPOSAL BY MHH AND THEN AGAIN, UM, EARLIER THIS YEAR IN JULY, WHERE WE LOOKED AT THE CONCEPTUAL TERMS. AND YOU'LL SEE THOSE TERMS ARE VERY MUCH SIMILAR TO WHAT WE SAW IN, UM, IN JULY. SO THIS EVENING IS THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING THAT'S IN ACCORDANCE WITH OUR CHAPTER 20 REQUIREMENTS, UM, FOR THE FORMAL P THREE PROCESS, UM, THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US, UM, THIS EVENING. UM, ADDITIONALLY IN JULY, WE DID, UM, REITERATE AND, AND INCLUDE IT IN YOUR PACKAGE AS WELL, IS THE, UM, THE DRMP REPORT WHERE, UM, WE DID HAVE OUTSIDE CONSULTANTS THAT REVIEWED THE COST OF THE PARKING GARAGE TO DETERMINE THAT THE PROPOSED COST IS REASONABLE ALONG WITH THE GROW AMERICA FINANCIAL ANALYSIS. UM, THAT DID, UM, SH SHOW THAT THE, UM, MELBOURNE HOSP HOSPITALITY, UM, REQUEST FOR INCENTIVES, UM, WAS REASONABLE AND NECESSARY TO MAKE THE PROJECT FEASIBLE, UM, AS PROPOSED. UM, JUST VERY, VERY QUICKLY. SO EVERYBODY DOES KNOW THAT, UM, PROJECT IS BOTH THE JOINT GARAGE ALONG WITH A 160 ROOM HOTEL ON THE ADJACENT, UH, PROPERTY. UH, THERE'S PROPOSALS FOR VARIOUS AMENITIES IN THE HOTEL, UM, RESTAURANT, UM, ROOFTOP BAR, UM, THINGS LIKE THAT. THE PARKING GARAGE [01:30:01] IS PROPOSED AS A 542 SPACE, UM, JOINT USE GARAGE. 300 OF THOSE SPACES WOULD BE PUBLIC PARKING SPACES AND 242 WOULD BE FOR THE CODE REQUIREMENT FOR THE HOTEL, UM, PARKING. UM, MHA WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE, THE CONSTRUCTION AND CITY WOULD BE RETAINING THAT OWNERSHIP, UM, IN THE END ON THE CITY PROPERTY. UM, JUST WANNA POINT OUT IN, IN OUR DISCUSSION TONIGHT THAT, UH, THIS IS ALL CONTINGENT UPON THE FINAL APPROVAL OF THE P THREE AGREEMENTS, ALONG WITH, UM, CONTINUED, UM, APPROVALS OF AN AMENDMENT TO THE OLE GALLEY, CRA INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT, UM, WITH BREVARD COUNTY AND THE CITY. SO AS WE TALK ABOUT THESE THINGS, THEY'RE, THEY'RE REALLY CONTINGENT ON THOSE THINGS STILL HAPPENING AS WELL. UM, I'M JUST GONNA OUTLINE BRIEFLY WHAT THE, UM, DETAILED PROPOSAL, UM, HAS IN IT, AS WELL AS IN YOUR STAFF REPORT. THE, UM, SOME OF THE COMMENTS AND THE BULLETS OF THE D TERMS AND WHERE WE'RE HEADED. UM, THERE'S STILL SOME WORK TO BE DONE, UM, THAT WE'RE GONNA BE ACCOMPLISHING AS WE, UM, BEGIN ALSO DRAFTING, UM, THE, UM, CONFERENCE OF, UM, P THREE AGREEMENT. UH, SO THE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, THE P THREE COMPONENT OF THE PROJECT IS, UM, THE 10 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS THAT WILL BE CRA DOLLARS THAT WILL PAY, UM, FOR THE, UM, 300 PUBLIC PARKING SPACES IN THE GARAGE. AND AS I JUST MENTIONED, THAT'S WHERE WE LOOKED AT THE, UM, THE COST. AND WE DO BELIEVE THAT THAT COST IS REASONABLE, UM, AS WE DID HAVE VERIFIED WITH OUR OUTSIDE CONSULTANT. UM, ADDITIONALLY, THE OTHER, UM, REQUEST WITHIN THE DETAILED PROPOSAL IS THE, UM, TIF GRANT REIMBURSEMENT FOR A 10 YEAR GRANT FOR, UH, THE, UH, REIMBURSEMENT OF THE HOTEL PROPERTY TAXES AS THOSE ARE PAID IN THE OUT YEARS ONCE THE PROJECT IS CONSTRUCTED. UM, JUST A FEW OF THE, THE KEY TERMS, UM, OF WHAT'S, UM, GOING TO BE. UM, THAT'S WHAT IS IN THE UNSOLICITED PROPOSAL AND WILL EVENTUALLY BE THEN IN THE P THREE AGREEMENT. UM, THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITIES, AS I JUST STATED, THE 10 AND A HALF MILLION, UM, IN CRA DOLLARS, THOSE WOULD BE PAID OUT DURING CONSTRUCTION WITH CERTAIN, UM, PERFORMANCE, UM, BENCHMARKS AND THRESHOLDS. UM, AS THE GARAGE IS CONSTRUCTED, WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT THE ANNUAL TAX REIMBURSEMENT, UM, AFTER THE PROJECT IS, UM, CONSTRUCTED. AND THEN WE'D BE EITHER, UM, THROUGH A LEASE OR LICENSE TYPE AGREEMENT, UM, LEASING THOSE 242 SPACES BACK TO THE HOTEL. UM, ON, UM, MH A'S RESPONSIBILITY SIDE. UM, JUST SORT OF SUMMARIZING THE PROPOSALS FOR A SEVEN LEVEL PRECAST CONCRETE, UM, STRUCTURE WITH THE 542 SPACES, UM, THE GARAGE WOULD HAVE ACCESS FROM BOTH HIGHLAND AND PINEAPPLE AVENUE. UM, THE, UM, THERE'LL BE TWO DIFFERENT AREAS OF STAIRWELLS AND ELEVATORS WITHIN THE, UM, THE GARAGE. UH, THEY WILL ALSO BE, UM, CONFIGURING A RECONFIGURING A LOADING AREA FOR THE ALI CIVIC CENTER. UM, THAT'S ONE OF THE AREAS THAT WE NEED TO CONTINUE WORKING WITH THEM ON. AS DESIGN GOES FURTHER, WE'LL BE ABLE TO HAVE MORE DETAILS TO DETERMINE EXACTLY HOW THAT CAN BE, UM, WORKED OUT. UM, AND, UH, UH, LASTLY, UNDER MHS TWO, THE, UM, IN LIEU OF A, UM, PROPOSED LEASE AMOUNT, THEY WILL BE THEN, UM, MAINTAINING AND OPERATING THE ENTIRE PARKING FACILITY AS IT RELATES TO, UM, GEN GENERAL MAINTENANCE, CLEANING, UM, SECURITY, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. AND, UH, GROW AMERICA ESTIMATED THAT IS ABOUT 105,000 A YEAR, UM, IN COSTS THAT THE CITY WOULD BE, UM, RECEIVING. UM, WITH THAT, UM, A NUMBER OF THINGS ARE REALLY SHARED THINGS THAT'LL HAPPEN BETWEEN BOTH THE, THE CITY AND, UM, MHH. UM, WE'LL BE LOOKING AT CAPITAL COSTS FOR THE LONG TERM MAINTENANCE AND REPAIRS OF THE LARGER ITEMS. UM, WE'LL BE WORKING WITH THEM ON THE PARKING MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, UM, THAT WE'LL HAVE ON THE PUBLIC SIDE AND THAT THEY'LL HAVE ON THE, THE HOTEL SIDE. UM, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT IS ANOTHER AREA THAT WE'RE JUST BEGINNING TO BE IN THE MIDST OF. UM, THEY'RE DESIGNING THAT AND AS THEY'RE DOING THAT, WE'RE GETTING READY TO START GOING THROUGH SOME INITIAL PERMITTING TO DETERMINE WHERE THEY'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO LOCATE, UM, BOTH THE HOTEL STORMWATER AND THE GARAGE STORMWATER. UM, ESSENTIALLY, UM, MHH WILL, UM, MAINTAIN THAT STORMWATER UNLESS IT'S SEPARATED WITH A GARAGE, UM, AND CITY, UM, PARKING GARAGE, STORMWATER SEPARATED. UM, THEN IT'LL, IT'LL BE TO BOTH CITY AND MHH PROPORTIONALLY THE, THE TIMELINE THAT THEY'VE PROPOSED AND THE, THE DETAILED PROPOSAL. UM, JUST TO CAVEAT THAT TIMELINE WAS WITH [01:35:01] THINGS COMING TO YOU, UM, IN THIS MONTH, BUT ALSO WITH RESOLVING THE, THE COUNTY, UM, ISSUE AND HAVING THE, UM, AMENDED INTER-LOCAL AGREEMENT MOVING ALONG. AS OF YET, THAT HASN'T HAPPENED. WE'RE STILL WAITING ON THE COUNTY, UM, STAFF TO GET BACK WITH US ON THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE THAT WE TALKED WITH, UM, COUNSEL ABOUT IN, IN JULY. AND SO, UM, JUST CAVEATING THE TIMELINE, YOU KNOW, IS BASED ON, UM, THOSE APPROVALS AS WELL AS THE APPROVAL, UM, AS YOU SEE IN THE NEXT STEPS THERE. UM, THE NEXT STEP IS REALLY THEN TO COME BACK WITH A SECOND PUBLIC HEARING WITH THAT P THREE COMPREHENSIVE, UM, AGREEMENT. UM, FULLY CRAFTED, NEGOTIATED, WRAPPED UP IN A BOW READY, READY TO GO FOR CITY COUNCIL. UM, AND SO, UM, THIS EVENING WE'RE LOOKING FOR DIRECTION, UM, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PREPARATION OF THAT P THREE COMPREHENSIVE, UM, AGREEMENT, UH, CONSISTENT WITH FLORIDA STATUTE, UM, WITH, UM, MELBOURNE HOSPITALITY HOLDINGS. UM, THE CH AS WE'VE OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT, WE'RE ALSO RECOMMENDING THAT CHANGES AS WE NOTED IN THE STAFF REPORT WITH THE BULLETS. AND THAT WILL BE THE FRAMEWORK, UM, THAT WE BEGIN DRAFTING THE, UM, AGREEMENT ON, UM, GIVING COUNSEL'S APPROVAL TO MOVE FORWARD. OKAY. AND THE, UM, PRIME GROUP IS, IS HERE TO, UM, UH, PRESENT AS WELL. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND WE GET TO THAT. OKAY. UM, AND BEFORE WE GET TO THAT AND THE PUBLIC HEARING, I JUST HAD TWO QUESTIONS. ONE, UH, EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE STILL WORKING WITH THE COUNTY, LIKE, DO YOU HAVE A GUESSTIMATE WHEN YOU THINK THAT THEY MAY TAKE IT UP ON THEIR END OR IS IT IN LIMBO? WE'RE STILL, WE'RE STILL WAITING FROM FOR COMMENT FROM COUNTY STAFF ON OUR PROPOSED VERSION, SO I, I DON'T HAVE A TIMELINE ON THAT. OKAY. OKAY. AND THEN, UM, AS IT STANDS NOW, UM, ONE THING, AND YOU'VE HEARD ME BRING IT UP AT A FEW DIFFERENT MEETINGS IS ABOUT, UM, PARKING AND SPECIFICALLY IF WE'RE HAVING A LEASE AGREEMENT WITH THE HOTEL, THIS SEEMS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE MELBY ONE BECAUSE THIS ISN'T THE HOTEL'S PARKING GARAGE, IT'S OUR PARKING GARAGE. ARE THERE ANY UM, BASICALLY IF WE'RE ABSOLUTELY GUARANTEED ON THOSE SPOTS, 'CAUSE WE ARE THE ONES WHO GET TO LEASE HOW MANY OR HOW LITTLE AT ANY GIVEN TIME? SO THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY CONCERNS FROM THE RESIDENTS ABOUT THEIR ABILITY TO PARK THERE FROM THE, FOR THE PARKING GARAGE PORTION BECAUSE FOR THE RESIDENCE, JUST 'CAUSE THERE'LL BE ABOUT TWO, WHAT WAS IT, 226 I WANNA SAY IT WAS, UH, SPOTS THAT ARE GONNA GO TO THE HOTEL. YEAH. 242 WOULD BE FOR THE HOTEL. UM, THE INTENTION IS THAT THOSE WOULD BE THE UPPERMOST MM-HMM . UM, THERE'LL BE SOME CONTROL OF THE PUBLIC NOT GOING INTO THE, UM, TO HOTEL PARKING AND VICE VERSA THAT THE HOTEL GUESTS AREN'T PA PARKING IN THE PUBLIC PARKING. SO THAT'S SOME BULLET POINTS THAT, THAT WE HAVE IN THE LANGUAGE AND THOSE ARE THE DETAILS THAT WE'VE GOTTA CONTINUE TO WORK OUT AND, AND PUT INTO WRITING INTO THE AGREEMENT. OKAY, GREAT. NO THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES. OKAY. I HAVE A QUESTION. UM, WILL WE BE HAVING A PERFORMANCE BOND? YES. YES. WHEN WOULD THE PERFORMANCE BOND? WHEN WOULD, I MEAN WHEN WOULD WE BE GETTING THIS PERFORMANCE BOND AT? I MEAN THAT'S KIND OF IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE'VE ALL KNOWN AREAS, IT'S FLORIDA, THINGS START AND THEY DON'T GET FINISHED. SO HOW SOON DO WE BE DOING THE PERFORMANCE MISS JENNY? THAT WOULD, YEAH. PRIOR TO CONSTRUCTION IS IT WOULD BE PRIOR TO CONSTRUCTION AND I WOULD THINK WE WOULD NEED IT ABOUT THE TIME OF THE APPROVAL OF THE P THREE AGREEMENT. I MEAN, THOSE ARE DETAILS. WE, WE WILL WORK OUT IN NEGOTIATION CER CERTAINLY BEFORE THEY WERE ABLE TO COMMENCE TO START CONSTRUCTION ON THE SITE. MY, MY BIG THING IS LOOKING AT THE PICTURE IS LOADING IN AND OUT OF THE CONVENTION CENTER. SO IF YOU GO TO YOUR, IN THE, IN, IN YOUR BOOKS ON PAGE, OH, IT DOESN'T HAVE A PAGE. WAIT A MINUTE, LET ME SEE. PAGE, OH NO, THIS ONE RIGHT HERE. THREE. CAN'T TELL YOU WHICH NUMBER. I CAN'T READ THAT ONE. I THINK IT'S THREE 10 ON THREE 10. THE PARKING LODGE IS SO CLOSE AND YOU HAVE THE SLOPE GOING DOWN. CAN WE BRING UP THE PICTURE ON THE SLIDE? UH, ON, ON THREE 10. THAT'S WHAT REALLY IS, UM, GETTING IN AND OUT SO THAT WE HAVE, MAKE SURE THAT IF PEOPLE HAVE SOMETHING GOING ON LIKE A LITTLE CONVENTIONS OR YOU KNOW, A TRADE SHOW GOING ON, GETTING THINGS IN AND OUT OF THERE. AND SOMETIMES IT MIGHT NOT, SOMETIMES IT'S GONNA BE BIGGER TRUCKS, SOMETIMES IT'S GONNA BE SMALLER TRUCKS. IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S AWFUL TIGHT TO GET THOSE IN THERE. UM, THAT'S MY CONCERN FOR THE PEOPLE USING THE FACIL USING THE CIVIC CENTER. SO I [01:40:01] DON'T, THAT'S THAT'S A CONCERN OF MINE. THAT'S A BIG CONCERN OF MINE. RIGHT. IF YOU LOOK AT IT THERE YEAH. STAFF HAD THAT SAME CONCERN AND, AND NOTED THAT, YOU KNOW, IN OUR STAFF MEMO, UM, THAT AT THE CONCEPTUAL LEVEL, YOU KNOW, THAT WE SEE THE DRAWINGS. NOW WE'RE NOT COMFORTABLE SAYING, YOU KNOW, THAT'S IT. IN, IN, IN TALKING, YOU KNOW, WITH MHH WE ARE, WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE. THEY UNDERSTAND TOO, THEY'VE GOTTA GET FURTHER DOWN TO THE DESIGN PROCESS AND THAT THAT LOADING ZONE IS GONNA HAVE TO BE ACCEPTABLE TO THE CITY. YEAH. 'CAUSE THAT, THAT JUST CONCERNS ME. 'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA BE, TWO YEARS FROM NOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE PEOPLE SCREAMING GOING, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT. IT'S JUST NOT, IT'S NOT ABLE, THERE'S NO ACCESS. THEY HAVE TO PARK DOWN BELOW AND HAND CART EVERYTHING BACK UP THERE. THAT'S NOT FAIR TO THEM EITHER. SO THAT'S, THAT'S A CONCERN. I, THAT'S A BIG CONCERN I HAVE GOING THERE, DEALING WITH, UM, RETAILERS AND ALL THAT WHEN THEY HAVE TO MOVE THINGS AROUND. YEAH. IT GETS TO BE A LITTLE HARD AND EXPENSIVE TO DOING THAT WAY. OKAY. OKAY. AND I HAVE OTHER, UM, I, I'VE TALKED TO JENNY AND SHE SAID THIS IS VERY PRELIMINARY 'CAUSE I REALLY HAD, UM, LIKE WHEN YOU SAID IT WAS 105, WELL 105 MIGHT BE TODAY, BUT WHAT'S IT GONNA BE FIVE YEARS FROM NOW? THE COST OF MAINTAINING IT. SO THAT'S THE VALUE OF THE COST THE CITY WILL BE, UM, RECEIVING FOR FREE. OKAY. IN LIEU OF A LEASE AMOUNT. ALRIGHT. YEAH. OKAY. UM, THE OTHER ONES, I THINK THOSE ARE, WELL THOSE ARE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE THAT STAFF STILL HAS MAJOR QUESTIONS ABOUT. BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER, I MEAN, THIS IS STILL THE PRELIMINARY, BUT THEY HAVE, UM, WITH THE CONCEPTUAL DESIGNS IN THE TWO AREA IN TWO DIFFERENT AREAS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO YOU GUYS ARE STILL WORKING THAT OUT, CORRECT? YES, MA'AM. OKAY. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GIVING OUR, YOU KNOW, TOTAL BLESSING THAT EVERYTHING'S JUST FINE AND DANDY AND WE'RE GONNA GO FORWARD WITH IT. RIGHT. PER OUR PROCESS, THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING HAS TO OCCUR AT WHICH TIME THE P THREE AGREEMENT WILL BE, YOU KNOW, WHAT COUNCIL'S CONSIDERING AT, AT THAT TIME. AND I'M NOT SURE HOW LONG IT'LL BE A FEW PAGES. UM, OUR OTHER, OTHER AGREEMENTS FOR MEL BEING AND HIGHLINE WERE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE QUITE LENGTHY, SO I'M, I'M SURE IT'LL BE, WILL BE THICK. OKAY. I JUST DON'T, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S, WITH READING I DID READ IT AND IT'S JUST LOOKING AT SOME OF THE DESIGNS AND GETTING THINGS IN AND OUT OF AND WHO HAS, WHAT PROPERTIES I HAVE CONCERNS WITH, I THINK EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE CONCERNS WITH. AND I KNOW OUR STAFF IS GREAT AND YOU ARE GREAT. SO I KNOW YOU WON'T LET US DOWN WITH THAT. THANK YOU MR. SMITH. NO, SHE, THAT WAS A COVER. I WAS GONNA ASK, UM, JESS, UH, 'CAUSE A LOT OF THIS PROCESS START PRIOR TO ME BEING ON THE COUNCIL, BUT I WAS GONNA ASK WHAT SOME OF SOME, UH, COULD YOU HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE CHALLENGES? SOME OF THE MAJOR CHALLENGES? BUT I THINK MS. HANLEY'S IS TOUCHING ON A LOT OF THOSE. UM, AND WE'RE STILL KIND OF EARLY IN THE PROCESS, BUT I MEAN, YOU COULD STILL MAYBE TOUCH ON A FEW OF THEM IF YOU, IF IT MAKES, IF IT HELPS US, BUT YEAH, DEFINITELY IN IN CHALLENGES, YOU KNOW, MIGHT BE A STRONG WORD. I THINK THEY'RE JUST AREAS THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE FULL LEVEL OF DETAIL YET OKAY. TO, TO DEFINITIVELY SAY YES, WE LIKE THAT. YOU KNOW, SO, SO THAT'S WHERE WE, WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, TO CONTINUE TO WORK FORWARD. AND SOME OF THAT ON THE STORM WATER THAT'S GONNA BE DEFINED BY THE PERMITTING ALLOWANCES AND HOW THAT ALL IS GONNA WORK OUT. UM, THE, UM, MHH IS GETTING READY TO, TO START THAT APPLICATION PROCESS AND THE CITY WILL BE A PART OF THAT BECAUSE IT'S OUR PROPERTY. THAT'LL BE THE INITIAL STEPS OF FINDING OUT EXACTLY, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAS TO BE, UM, DONE ON THE STORM WATER SIDE. SIR. UM, THANK YOU CINDY. I I APPRECIATE IT AND, AND CHALLENGES WAS A STRONG WORD, BUT I'M GLAD THAT, UH, YOU BROUGHT IT UP THOUGH BECAUSE IT MAY LOOK LIKE A CHALLENGE, BUT WE'VE BEEN AT THIS FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW. RIGHT. AND SO, UM, I I THINK THAT WE'RE 90, 95% THERE, UH, PRETTY MUCH GOOD. UM, OTHER THAN THE COUNTY OF COURSE. AND THE LOADING ASPECTS, UH, THAT YOU'RE CONCERNED WITH AND, AND STORM WATER AND, AND THAT'LL ALL GET SOLVED, UH, BECAUSE IT ALWAYS DOES AND WE ALWAYS MAKE IT WORK. UH, AND THE THING THAT I'M, UM, REALLY, UM, ENCOURAGED BY AS WELL TOO IS THAT GROW AMERICA, THE FINANCIAL ANALYST IN THIS PROJECT, UH, HAS DETERMINED THAT ALTHOUGH WE'RE DEDICATING $10.5 MILLION PLUS A 10 YEAR, UM, TAX ABATEMENT, UH, THAT WILL COME TO ABOUT, UM, $1.9 MILLION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT OVER A 10 YEAR PERIOD. UH, THEY HAVE ESTABLISHED THAT THIS IS NOT, THEY'RE NOT SELF, UM, [01:45:01] UH, WHAT'S THE BEST WAY I CAN SAY IT. UH, THEY'RE NOT LINING THEIR POCKETS BY THE MONEY THAT WE'RE PROVIDING. UH, AND THAT IT IS TRULY A BALANCING GROW AMERICA FINANCIAL ANALYSIS IS, IS A, A VERY REPUTABLE FIRM. AND, AND THAT'S WHY WE, WE ASK TO, TO JOIN THE PROCESS. UM, SO I'M, I'M EXCITED, UM, UH, PREPARED TO, UH, DO WHATEVER I HAVE TO DO TO STAND ON THE STREET CORNER AND, AND WITH A, WITH A SANDWICH SIGN AND SAY, PLEASE COME PARK AT OUR GARAGE . UH, BUT I, BUT WE'RE GETTING THERE. WE REALLY ARE. AND, UM, I, I, UM, THANK YOU, UH, FOR THIS EXTRA EFFORT. SO THIS IS THE FIRST HEARING, RIGHT? ALTHOUGH WE'RE NOT, WE, WE HAVEN'T REALLY CONDENSED EVERYTHING. WE HAVE A COUPLE OF CONCERNS. AND THEN SO THE NEXT HEARING, DO YOU, WELL, WE CAN'T PREDICT BECAUSE ADAM, UH, HAS SAID HIMSELF IS THAT WE HAVEN'T HEARD BACK FROM THE COUNTY YET. UM, AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT MOVING PARTS. SO, UH, PROBABLY AFTER THE, UH, FIRST OF THE YEAR WOULD, WOULD BE MY GUESS, UH, THAT WE'LL PROBABLY HEAR BACK FROM THE COUNTY AFTER THEY GET DONE WITH ALL OF THEIR STUFF. SO I, I SEE THE TWO, UM, YOU KNOW, PROFESSIONALS OVER THERE NODDING THEIR HEADS, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S PRETTY COOL. WELL, THE, THE COUNTY COMPONENT COULD BE SOONER, BUT BRINGING THIS BACK TO SECOND HEARING FOR COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION OF A TRUE DRAFT, COMPREHENSIVE, THAT'S WHAT I DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS GONNA, IS GONNA TAKE SOME TIME. YEAH. AND, AND I, AND I GUESS I, I MISREAD THAT. I I MEANT THAT ALL COLLECTIVELY. YEAH. YOU KNOW, SO, UM, THANKS, UH, UH, WAITING FOR THE NEXT STEPS. OKAY. THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. YEAH. SO I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING, UM, VICE MAYOR BEFORE YOU DO. I, I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S MORE APPROPRIATE TO HEAR FROM THE PROPOSER FIRST BEFORE OPENING THE PUBLIC HEARING. WELL, IT IS THAT NOT MR. SITA FROM MELBOURNE HOSPITALITY. OH, THERE, WE, WE GO. I, SORRY. I DIDN'T REALIZE. SEE IT SIGNED UP MEETING THAT WAY. MAYOR . ALRIGHT, WE HAVE, WE HAVE, UH, LANCE FROM MELBOURNE HOSPITALITY HOLDINGS. DO YOU WANT TO GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND THEN LET'S GIVE A PRESENTATION? SURE. GOOD EVENING. UH, MY NAME IS LANCE SHEA, UH, 47 40 NORTHWEST, 28TH WAY IN BOCA RATON, FLORIDA. UM, SO YES, UH, MELBOURNE. I'M REPRESENTING MELBOURNE HOSPITALITY HOLDINGS. UH, WE'VE SUBMITTED THE UNSOLICITED PROPOSAL P THREE PROPOSAL TO THE CITY. WE'VE HAD, UH, MEETING MANY MULTIPLE MEETINGS WITH STAFF. UH, WE'VE GONE THROUGH A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH TO, UH, MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN, AND, YOU KNOW, WE CAN FIND SOMETHING THAT MAKES SENSE TO THE CITY AND, AND TO US, UH, TO BUILD THIS. AND WE ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH EVERYTHING THAT WAS PRESENTED TONIGHT, UH, TO COUNCIL. UM, SO WE'RE PROPOSING 160 ROOM, UH, HOTEL. UH, MOST LIKELY IT'S GONNA BE LIKE A, A MARRIOTT TYPE FLAG, UH, IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. FULL SERVICE, UH, BALLROOM MEETING ROOMS, RESTAURANTS, UM, THE JOINT USE PARKING GARAGE, UH, IS GOING TO SUPPORT OUR HOTEL, BUT ALSO PROVIDE, UM, NEEDED PARKING FOR THE, UH, THE CITY IS WHAT MY UNDERSTANDING IS. BUT COMING, UH, SPEAKING WITH YOU, AND WE CAN DO THIS, UH, BEST THROUGH ECONOMIES OF SCALE. SO JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS, WE ARE A LARGE HOTEL PORTFOLIO. WE HAVE A LARGE HOTEL PORTFOLIO. UH, SO WE DON'T ONLY DEVELOP, BUT WE OWN AND OPERATE EVERYTHING THAT WE, WE WE BUILD, WHICH I THINK IS IMPORTANT 'CAUSE WE'RE HERE FOR THE LONG RUN. UH, WE'RE NOT HERE JUST TO BUILD SOMETHING AND, AND THEN, AND THEN BE GONE. UH, WE WANT TO BE PART OF THIS COMMUNITY. WE WANT TO BRING JOBS TO THIS COMMUNITY, UH, AND ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, SET TAX DOLLARS TO THIS COMMUNITY. UM, SOME OF THE HOTELS THAT WE HAVE, UH, DONE AROUND THE FLORIDA AREA, OVATION AND SARASOTA, WHICH IS A MARRIOTT AUTOGRAPH, UH, WHERE WE ALSO DO SHARED PARKING WITH THE CITY THERE. MM-HMM. UH, HILTON, MIAMI, A VENTURA, AND THEN, UH, UP THE ROAD A BIT, UH, THE DAYTONA, UH, WE ARE PARTNERS WITH NASCAR AND, UH, WE'VE BUILT HOTELS, UH, THE, UH, THE, THE AUTOGRAPH THERE AND A COUPLE OTHER HOTELS. SO, UM, WE UNDER, YOU KNOW, WE UNDERSTAND RIGHT NOW THAT, THAT THIS INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT, UH, WITH THE COUNTY IS WHAT'S REALLY IS GONNA MAKE THIS THING WORK OR NOT. SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DO, UH, FROM A DEVELOPER STANDPOINT THAT YOU GUYS FEEL THAT, THAT CAN HELP, JUST LET US KNOW. UH, WE'RE HERE TO, YOU KNOW, SUPPORT IN ANY WAY, ANY WAY WE CAN. SO, UM, ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS HAVE, UH, FOR, FOR ME IN THE SURE. THANKS FOR COMING UP TONIGHT. ABSOLUTELY. ARE YOU HEADING BACK TONIGHT AS WELL TOO? I AM, YES. YEAH. OKAY. SO WE'LL GET YOU OUTTA HERE AS QUICKLY AS CAN. YEAH. UM, UH, THE, UM, MY, UH, QUESTION IS THAT WE HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM COMING UP AFTER THIS IS DONE ABOUT OUR, UH, MELBOURNE AUDITORIUM AND CONVENTION CENTER TYPE ENVIRONMENT MM-HMM [01:50:01] . SO CAN YOU TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT YOUR PLANS ARE WITH THIS HOTEL AND A CONVENTION ENVIRONMENT AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE IN, IN TERMS OF SCOPE AND SIZE AND PERHAPS, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE AVAILABILITY, UH, THAT IT WOULD BRING, UH, TO THE, TO OUR, UH, DOWNTOWN ALI? SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE, UH, IT'S ABOUT, AGAIN, FIRST OFF, WE'RE IN A VERY CONCEPTUAL STAGE RIGHT NOW MM-HMM . UM, BUT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW ABOUT A 7,000 SQUARE FOOT, UH, AUDITORIUM SLASH UH, BANQUET HALL. UH, THAT, THAT WE ARE, ARE GONNA PROVIDE THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR WEDDINGS, EVENTS, THERE'S GONNA BE MEETING ROOMS, ANYTHING THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, IS, IS REQUIRED THAT, THAT IS NEEDED HERE IN THE CITY. SO THAT'S WHAT OUR, OUR GOAL WAS RIGHT NOW. WELL, I I THINK MY CONCERN WAS, UH, NOT CONCERN, BUT, BUT QUESTION YES. WAS MORE SO THAT WE'RE, WE'RE LEANING MORE TOWARDS, UH, ATTRACTING MORE OF THE CONVENTION OPPORTUNITY OKAY. UH, TO OUR COMMUNITY. YES, SIR. AND BY THAT I MEAN THAT WE'RE EXPANDING OUR AIRPORT, UH, CAPABILITIES. UH, WE'RE VERY MUCH ON THE FOREFRONT ON, UH, TOURISM, UH, AND, UM, UM, MARKETING OF, OF THOSE PRODUCTS. YES, SIR. UH, AND SO I JUST WANTED TO FIND OUT WHERE YOUR THOUGHTS WERE IN REGARD TO, UM, HELPING US OR OR US UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOUR GOALS WERE. BUT IT IS VERY CONCEPTUAL, UH, YOU KNOW, AT THIS POINT, AND I GET THAT, BUT I WANT TO TRY AND HAVE YOU KEEP THAT IN THE BACK OF YOUR MIND OKAY. AS WE MOVE FORWARD. YEAH. UH, BECAUSE, UH, WHAT WE'VE COME TO LEARN MM-HMM . IS THAT CONVENTION CENTERS DON'T EXIST OR THRIVE WITHOUT A HOTEL. RIGHT. PERIOD. AND A PARAGRAPH. GOT IT. SO WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS WHAT YOUR, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT ONE OF YOUR STRATEGIC PLANS OUT OUT OF THE 20 THAT YOU MAY HAVE OVER YOUR SHOULDER MM-HMM . WHAT DOES THE CONVENTION CENTER LOOK LIKE FOR YOU AND WHAT PLANS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE FOR, FOR THAT. BUT THAT'S DOWN THE ROAD. I KNOW. YEAH. I, I KNOW. BUT, BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO COME TO YOU, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE GETTING READY TO LAY THE, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST FOUNDATION OF IT, YOU KNOW? YEAH. AND I JUST WANTED TO YEAH. BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE, I COULD DEFINITELY TAKE BACK AND, AND DISCUSS WITH OUR TEAM AND PROVIDE YOU A MUCH BETTER MM-HMM . ANSWER THEN I, I CAN THIS EVENING. YEAH. UM, ABOUT THAT. UH, AND, AND ALSO GET AN UNDERSTANDING FROM THE CITY, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR SO WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WORK TOGETHER TO PROVIDE A SERVICE THAT THE CITY REQUIRES. WELL, I WILL TELL YOU THAT WE'VE GOT SOME TREMENDOUS ANNOUNCEMENTS COMING UP FROM THE AIRPORT. OKAY. UH, AND, UH, MULTIPLE, UM, UH, EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES. SO, UM, UH, I WOULD KEEP THAT IN MIND OKAY. AS YOU'RE MOVING FORWARD. EXCELLENT. UM, 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA NEED, UH, ROOMS AND BEDS TO, UH, PUT THESE PEOPLE UP IN AS WELL TOO, YOU KNOW. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. DRIVE SAFELY GOING BACK HOME. I APPRECIATE IT, MA'AM. OKAY. YOU SAID YOU HAVE, I, I HAVE TO GO TO DAYTONA. YES. SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT, WHAT YOUR HOTELS LOOK AT WHICH HOTELS YOU HAVE IN DAYTONA. SURE. SO, UH, SO YOU KNOW WHERE THE TRACK I'M PUTTING YOU ON THIS? NO, NO, IT'S FINE. I'M RIGHT ON THE TRACK. I GOTTA BE ON INTERNATIONAL SPEED, INTERNATIONAL SPEEDWAY, THE, THE RACETRACK. YEAH. AND JO AND CLYDE MORRIS. YEP. YOU GO RIGHT ACROSS THE, WITH THE HOLE WHERE, WHERE IT, SO RIGHT THERE IT'S CALLED THE DAYTONA, IT'S A MARRIOTT AUTOGRAPH. I THINK I KNOW WHICH ONE. IT'S UH, ITS A NEWER ONE, ISN'T IT? IT'S PART OF THE NASCAR COMPLEX. THERE'S A COSTCO OVER, UH, A LITTLE BIT LIKE RIGHT NEXT TO IT. YEAH. YOU HAVE THE CLYDE. SO WE, UH, WE, WE BUILT THAT WE OWN, WE OPERATE THAT WITH NASCAR. UH, RIGHT NEXT TO IT THERE'S A FAIRFIELD, SO WE OWN AND OPERATE THAT. OKAY. UH, THOSE TWO WE BUILT, WE'VE JUST RECENTLY, UH, PURCHASED A HOMEWOOD SUITES IN DAYTONA, UH, RIGHT ACROSS THE WAY. WELL, THAT'S GONNA BE DIFFERENT. THAT'S ALREADY TOTALLY, YEAH. TOTALLY DIFFERENT. YEAH. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING. YEAH, EXACTLY. SO THOSE WOULD BE THE TWO HOTELS THAT I WOULD, I WOULD, UH, LOOK AT. I'M RIGHT, I'M RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER. I'M OFF, I'M GONNA BE CLYDE MORRIS. YEAH. IF YOU KNOW WHERE CLYDE MORRIS IS. OKAY. YES. YES. UM, SO RIGHT THERE IN THAT CORNER. OKAY. YEAH. SO YEAH, WE, WE BUILT THAT, WE BUILT ALL THE RETAIL AND NOT THAT MATTER IF I JUST LETTING KNOW. SO YES. AND ALL THE, THERE'S LIKE, WE HAVE ABOUT 700 APARTMENTS THERE AS WELL WHERE THE FIELD USED TO, AS THEY CALL THE FIELD USED TO BE THAT YOU TOOK, YOU TOOK UP, YOU TOOK UP THEIR FIELD, AS THEY SAY WE DID . OKAY. YES. YES MA'AM. WE DID FOR, FOR MOST OF YOU. THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF PEOPLE, WELL, WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT AND HE'S LAUGHING ABOUT IS IF YOU WERE GOING TO THE SPEEDWAY, IT WAS ALMOST, ALMOST ACROSS THE STREET MM-HMM . FROM EXACTLY IN THE MIDDLE TO THE SPEEDWAY. AND THAT'S WHERE EVERYBODY PARKED AND THEY'RE LIKE, WHAT HAPPENED HERE? RIGHT. WHERE THEY'RE PARKING GO. YES, EXACTLY. SO YES, THOSE ARE THE TWO HOTELS THAT, THAT WE HAVE WITH THEM. OKAY. I'LL MM-HMM. I'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE. YES, PLEASE. THANK YOU. WELCOME. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. RASHIDA? DONE. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. OKAY. WE APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. ALRIGHT, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, BRING A GIFT TO COUNCIL. WE HAVE A MOTION VICE MAYOR, SIR. THANK YOU. UM, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT IN MY DISTRICT ON THIS AND, AND THIS IS GONNA BE BENEFICIAL FOR THE ENTIRE CITY AS WELL AS THE SURROUNDING AREAS. UH, UH, REQUESTED ACTION IS DIRECTION TO MOVE FORWARD [01:55:01] WITH THE PREPARATION OF THE P THREE COMPREHENSIVE AGREEMENT CONSISTENT WITH THE SECTION 2 55 0.065 FLORIDA STATUTES WITH MELBOURNE HOSPITALITY HOLDINGS LLC, WITH THE CHANGES TO THE TERMS AND FURTHER NEGOTIATION AS PROVIDED WITHIN THE STAFF MEMORANDUM. AND I WILL SECOND THAT. SO IT'S A MOTION BY MR. LARUSSO, SECOND BY MYSELF. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED AYE. VOTE AYE. AND THE MOTION PASSES. ALRIGHT, ITEM NUMBER 18, WE HAVE MR. CONLEY PRESENTING. THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR. THIS IS ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025 DASH 50, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, RELATING TO LARGE GROUP FEEDINGS IN CITY PARKS, MAKING FINDINGS AMENDING CHAPTER 42 OF THE CITY CODE ENTITLED PARKS AND RECREATION AMENDING SECTION 42 DASH 19 PARKS FOR LARGE GROUP FEEDINGS, DESIGNATION OF DAYS AND HOURS, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND INTERPRETATION, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE, AND PROVIDING AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE. AND I WILL TURN THINGS OVER TO, UH, DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY RICHARD BROOM FOR, UH, STAFF PRESENTATION. UH, GOOD EVENING COUNCIL. IF WE CALL IT YOUR SEPTEMBER 24TH COUNCIL MEETING. UH, CITY COUNCIL DISCUSSED THE CURRENT AVAILABILITY AND UTILIZATION OF CITY PARKS TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE INTERESTED IN SCHEDULING A CHANGE WITH REGARD TO LARGE GROUP FEEDING EVENTS IN YOUR CITY PARKS. AT THAT TIME, COUNCIL EXPRESSED A DESIRE TO ADDRESS THE IMPACTS THAT THESE LARGE EVENTS MAY HAVE ON NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES AND ON THE AVAILABILITY OF THOSE PARKS TO BE USED BY OTHERS, ESPECIALLY WHEN THESE EVENTS ARE HELD IN PARKS ON EACH PARK AND EVERY WEEKEND ON SATURDAYS AND SUNDAYS. SO WHAT YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE SOME PARKS THAT ARE UTILIZED EVERY SATURDAY AND SUNDAY OF THE YEAR AND THE IMPACTS THAT THOSE MIGHT HAVE ON THE COMMUNITIES COUNCIL ALSO STATED IN ITS INTENTION THAT ANY PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE CODE SHOULD NOT REDUCE THE OVERALL NUMBER OF OPPORTUNITIES AVAILABLE FOR LARGE GROUP FEEDINGS EVENTS THAT HAPPEN IN CITY PARKS IN AN EFFORT TO SPREAD THE BURDEN OF THESE LARGE GROUP FEEDING EVENTS EQUITABLY THROUGHOUT THE CITY, AND TO CONTINUE PROVIDING AMPLE ALTERNATIVE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE PERMITTING OF THESE EVENTS. THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HAS DRAFTED A PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO SECTION 42 19 OF THE CITY CODE, WHICH WOULD INCREASE THE NUMBER OF CITY PARKS AVAILABLE FOR LARGE GROUP FEEDING EVENTS, AND THE PARKS SPECIFIED FOR WEEKEND EVENTS WOULD BE SCHEDULED ON A ROTATING BASIS. THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE MAINTAINS THE SCHEDULE AND AVAILABILITY FOR LARGE GROUP FEEDING EVENTS DURING THE WEEK MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY. SO THAT HAS NOT CHANGED, AND WE'VE UPDATED THE LIPSCOMB PARK TO NOW BE REFERRED TO AS EDDIE LEE TAYLOR SENIOR PARK. THE ORDINANCE ALSO CREATES A SCHEDULE WHEREBY LARGE GROUP FEEDING EVENTS ON THE WEEKENDS WOULD ALTERNATE BETWEEN VARIOUS PARKS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, AND THAT WOULD BE ON A ROTATING BASIS. THE PARKS HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED IN YOUR ORDINANCE AS A GROUP A AND A GROUP B. THE PARKS IN GROUP A WOULD INCLUDE JIMMY MOORE PARK, RIVERVIEW PARK, AND A NEWLY PROPOSED BROTHERS PARK. THESE PARKS WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR END EVENTS EACH SATURDAY AND SUNDAY FROM TWO TO 10 TO TWO, AND FOUR TO FIVE ON THE FIRST AND THIRD WEEKENDS OF EACH MONTH. GROUP B WOULD INCLUDE WELLS PARK, A NEWLY PROPOSED SHERWOOD PARK, AND EITHER SOUTHWEST PARK OR EDDIE LEE TAYLOR SENIOR PARK. THESE PARKS WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR EVENTS EACH SATURDAY AND SUNDAY FROM 10 TO TWO AND FOUR TO FIVE ON THE SECOND. AND FOURTH WEEKENDS OF EACH MONTH FOR ANY MONTH IN WHICH THERE'S A FIFTH DAY THAT FALLS ON A SATURDAY OR SUNDAY, THE PARKS DIRECTOR AND STAFF WOULD ALTERNATE BETWEEN GROUPS A AND B FOR AVAILABILITY. AS PART OF YOUR REVIEW, WE'RE ASKING THAT, UH, YOU PROVIDE DIRECTION ON THAT PARK WITHIN GROUP B OF WHETHER IT WOULD BE SOUTHWEST OR EDDIE LEE TAYLOR SENIOR PARK, TO INCLUDE IN THE ORDINANCE. THIS ORDINANCE IS PROPOSED TO TAKE EFFECT ON JANUARY 1ST, 2026. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER 'EM, BUT PRIMARILY WHAT WE'RE GONNA MAKE TRYING TO DO IS MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE SAME OR IF NOT MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR LARGE GROUP FEEDINGS IN YOUR PARKS. BUT RATHER THAN HAVING THE SAME PARKS UTILIZED EVERY SATURDAY AND SUNDAY, EVERY WEEKEND OF THE MONTH, THAT WOULD BE ON A ROTATING BASIS. AND BY ROTATING, WE'VE ALSO ADDED ADDITIONAL PARKS, THEREFORE NOT LOSING ANY OPPORTUNITIES. SO I'LL JUST, I'LL JUST ADD, YOU'VE, YOU'VE HEARD FOR MONTHS FROM BOTH RICHARD AND I IN WRITTEN MEMOS AND OTHER THINGS ABOUT HOW, UM, REGULATION OF THIS PARTICULAR ACTIVITY WITHIN CITY PARKS HAS TO BE BASED ON CONTENT, NEUTRAL TIME, PLACE, AND MANNER RESTRICTIONS THAT ARE NARROWLY TAILORED TO, UM, IMPORTANT, UH, GOVERNMENTAL INTERESTS IN MAKING SURE THAT THAT PARKS ARE BEING UTILIZED, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND SHARED CORRECTLY. AND THAT THE, ANY BURDEN OF LARGE GROUP FEEDINGS IS [02:00:01] DISTRIBUTED THROUGHOUT THE JURISDICTION. UM, WITH THIS PROPOSED ORDINANCE, THE, THE FINDINGS THAT ARE EMBEDDED IN IT, THE INFORMATION THAT YOU RECEIVED, WE, WE STILL BELIEVE THAT, THAT WE'RE MEETING THOSE STANDARDS, RIGHT, AND THAT, AND THAT WE'VE NARROWLY TAILORED, UM, A REVISION TO OUR LARGE GROUP FEEDINGS, UH, ORDINANCE TO BOTH BETTER DISTRIBUTE ANY BURDEN OF LARGE GROUP FEEDINGS THROUGHOUT THE CITY WHILE STILL PROVIDING, UM, CONTENT NEUTRAL TIME, PLACE AND MANNER RESTRICTIONS AND AMPLE OPPORTUNITIES AND, AND ALTERNATIVE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE LARGE GROUP FEEDINGS TO TAKE PLACE WITHIN CITY PARKS. OKAY, GREAT. AND I MEAN, IN GENERAL, I JUST WANNA THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR WORK BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S A, A HEFTY TASK TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU PROVIDE THAT BALANCE. AND I MEAN, HONESTLY, IT SOUNDS LIKE FROM THE PRESENTATION AND TALKING WITH STAFF THAT YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A REALLY GREAT JOB, NOT ONLY STRIKING THAT BALANCE, BUT ALSO HELPING EQUALIZE EVERYTHING OUT, IF YOU WILL, ACROSS THE CITY. SO I'M MOSTLY GRATEFUL FOR Y'ALL WORK. I MEAN, I'M IN SUPPORT OF THIS MEASURE. UM, BUT JUST WANNA MAKE SURE GIS GOT SOME GRATITUDE FROM US. AND SO THE ONLY THING, AND YOU MAY RECALL IT FROM OUR SEPTEMBER DISCUSSION WHERE, UM, IN A ROTATION AND, AND AS WE WERE HAVING THAT DISCUSSION, UM, WE WEREN'T, WE WEREN'T SURE WHE WHETHER THERE WAS GONNA BE AN APPETITE FOR EITHER SOUTHWEST PARK OR EDDIE LEE TAYLOR. SO, UN UNFORTUNATELY, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT OUR USUAL PROCESS NOT TO HAVE A STAFF RECOMMENDATION. UH, BUT AGAIN, RIGHT. NOT, NOT KNOWING EXACTLY COUNCIL'S PLEASURE, WHAT THE PUBLIC MAY THINK ABOUT EITHER OF THOSE TWO OPTIONS. WE, WE, WE LEFT IT OPEN FOR THE MOMENT, RIGHT? AND SO AS, AS COUNCIL HAS GUIDANCE ON THAT, WE CAN REVISE THE ORDINANCE FOR SECOND READING TO, TO BETTER ESTABLISH, IS IT, ARE WE GONNA, ARE WE GONNA ADD SOUTHWEST PARK FOR THAT WEEKEND ROTATION? OR EDDIE LEE TAYLOR FOR THAT WEEKEND ROTATION? JENNY AND I JUST WANTED TO ADD BETWEEN THE TWO PARKS, UM, STAFF DOES NOT HAVE A PREFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO, ONE OR THE OTHER. OKAY. DOES ANYBODY HAVE MA'AM? UM, JUST FOR THAT SECOND READING, UM, CAN WE HAVE, AT THE LAST MEETING WE HAD THE NICE PICTURES AND IT HAD ALL LIKE WHERE THEY WERE, WHAT ACTIVITIES THEY HAD DURING THOSE TIMES AS WELL. CAN WE HAVE THAT ADDED ON SECOND MEETING PLEASE? WE NEED, OF COURSE. DO WE TO MAKE A DECISION BEFORE THE SECOND, WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT BETWEEN THE TWO. WELL, THIS COULD MOVE IT FORWARD. THEY COULD STILL, WE COULD STILL MAKE ADJUSTMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT ON THIS SIDE. OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO BE IN COHERENCE, BUT DID YOU HAVE A, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT OR SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO WELL, I DO. SO I DID SOME PRELIMINARY, UH, RESEARCH. SO JUST MY CONSIDERATION IF DECIDING BETWEEN SOUTHWEST PARK AND ITALY TAYLOR, IT IS JUST SORT OF A LOGISTICAL DECISION LOGISTICAL OFFICER IN THE AIR FORCE. SO, AND IT JUST SEEMED LIKE SOUTHWEST PARK, IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT EASIER. I MEAN, I'M NOT, WE'RE NOT THE ORGANIZATION THAT'S ACTUALLY DOING THE FEEDING. YEP. UH, BUT, UM, MY DIS IF I HAD TO CHOOSE BETWEEN THE TWO, JUST LOOKING AT HOW SOUTHWEST PARK IS LAID OUT AND WHERE IT'S LOCATED, THAT WOULD BE SORT OF DECISION BETWEEN THE TWO. BUT I MEAN, THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, MY TAKE ON. YEP. AND I WAS LEANING TOWARD, I WAS LEANING TOWARDS SOUTHWEST PARK AS WELL. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. NOW THERE'S A MISCONCEPTION AND I WAS TOLD, I GOT THIS MISCONCEPTION THAT THESE, THE, THE FOOD NOT BOMBS, UM, GROUP ARE NOT PAYING FOR THIS S FOR THE PARK SERVICES. THEY ARE PAYING EVERY WEEK. THEY PAY THEIR $50 TO BE THERE. NOW, IF THEY GO TO THE OTHER PARKS, WHAT IS GONNA, ARE THE COST GONNA BE THE SAME? BECAUSE I, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S A BIG, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GONNA GO TO SAY, UM, SHERWOOD PARK, IS IT GONNA BE COST THEM? I'M JUST USING THAT ONE. IS IT GONNA BE THE SAME PRICE FOR THEM TO RENT THAT SPOT? UH, UM, A BETTER QUESTION FOR, I MEAN, THAT'S A BIG, THAT'S A BIG THING RIGHT THERE. YEAH. I, I MEAN WE'RE, WE'RE SHUFFLING AROUND. WE'RE GONNA SAY WE'RE SHUFFLING THEM AROUND AND WHAT'S THE COST GONNA BE? 'CAUSE THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING THIS ARE, THIS IS NOT A 5 0 1 C AND THEY DON'T GET, BECAUSE I HAVE GONE THERE TO LOOK AT IT AND I'VE ASKED THEM QUESTIONS. SO I, I WANNA KNOW WHETHER THESE PRICES ARE THE SAME. ARE WE PUTTING AN UNDUE BURDEN ON THE PEOPLE TRYING TO, DO, WE ALWAYS SAY, OH, WE WANT THE COMMUNITY TO BE INVOLVED TO HELP PEOPLE, BUT ARE WE PUTTING, YOU KNOW, STEPS OR DOORS IN FRONT OF THEM TO DO THE SERVICES? SO FOR EACH, FOR EACH APPLICATION THAT A LARGE GROUP, UM, FEEDING ORGANIZER SUBMITS TO PARKS AND REC, THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK FOR A WAIVER OF PARTICULAR FEES. AND THE PARTIAL THEY ASK, THEY DON'T ASK FOR, 'CAUSE I'VE ASKED THAT QUESTION. THEY DO NOT, THEY HAVE NOT BEEN ASKED, THEY HAVE NOT HAD ANY WAIVER. CAN I ASK MS. CALDWELL TO COME UP AND ANSWER THAT QUESTION? SHE COULD PROBABLY ANSWER BETTER. CAN YOU, AND THAT'S NIKKI CALDWELL'S COMING UP, IF I CAN. YEAH, PLEASE ADD IN, AS SHE'S COMING UP HERE, THEY DO PAY 51 50 A WEEK TO USE THE GREEN SPACE AT RIVERVIEW PARK. THAT'S THE SAME FEE, UH, USING THE SAME FEE STRUCTURE THAT WE USE FOR THE FARMER'S MARKET. SO THAT'S THE RIVERVIEW [02:05:01] PARK FEE STRUCTURE. AND SO I'LL TURN THAT THIS OVER TO MS. CALDWELL. OKAY. UM, AND IT DEPENDS TOO, IF THEY'RE RENTING GREEN SPACE VERSUS PAVILION SPACE. YES. SO CURRENTLY THEY'RE RENTING THE GREEN SPACE. SO WE STRUCTURED IT THE SAME AS THE FARMER'S MARKET THAT ALSO USES GREEN SPACE. UM, SO IN OUR FEE SCHEDULE. SO IT DEPENDS WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE LOCATED. FOR LARGE PAVILIONS, IT'S $63 SMALL PAVILIONS OR $20. UM, ELLI SQUARE AND THE RIVERVIEW LARGE PAVILION ARE, UM, DIFFERENT PRICES. 1 25 AND 1 55 AND MEDIUM PAVILIONS ARE 35. SO IT DEPENDS WHICH PARK WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED. OKAY. NIKKI, CAN YOU CLARIFY THE RENTAL, THE COST FOR RENTAL OF SPACE VERSUS A PERMIT FEE FOR, UM, OUTDOOR PUBLIC ASSEMBLY OR LARGE GROUP FEEDING THAT ANOTHER ORGANIZATION MIGHT, MIGHT BE REQUIRED TO PAY OR, OR THAT, UM, APPLICANTS HAVE ANY OPPORTUNITY TO SEEK WAIVER OF? YES. SO IF IT'S GOING TO BE A LARGE GROUP FEEDING, OUR OUTDOOR PUBLIC ASSEMBLY MEANT TO ATTRACT ONLY UP TO 15 PEOPLE. IT'S A HUNDRED DOLLARS AND 250 FOR ANYTHING OVER 15 PEOPLE. AND THE DEPOSIT FOR THE OUTDOOR PUBLIC ASSEMBLY OR LARGE GROUP FEEDING. SO CURRENTLY THAT IS THE FEE THAT'S WAIVED. THE $250 IS WAIVED AND THEY PAY THE DEPOSIT. WE HAVE JUST HELD THE CHECK, HAVEN'T HAD TO CASH ANY. AND ONCE THE CHECK IS ABOUT TO EXPIRE OR THEY STOP DOING THE FEEDINGS, WE WILL JUST RETURN THE CHECK. SO I HOPE THAT CLARIFIES WHERE, WHERE THERE ARE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, A CONSIDERATION AND A AND A WAIT AND A WAIVER OF FEES. I MEAN, WHICH PARK IS SHE SAYING THAT'S THE 35? YOU KNOW, THERE'S DOING THE 51, WHICH PARKS ARE WHAT PRICES? SO EDDIE LEE TAYLOR WOULD BE CONSIDERED A LARGE PAVILION. SO THAT WOULD BE THE $63. AND WHAT ABOUT SOUTHWEST AGAIN? 63. THAT'S A LARGE ONE. RIGHT. AND THAT'S, THAT'S PRESUMING THAT THEY ASKED TO USE THE PAVILION CHAIRS. THE GREEN SPACE IS THE SAME 51 THAT I WOULD STILL KEEP THAT AT 50. YES, CORRECT. ANY GREEN SPACE AREA, LIKE AT WELLS PARK, THERE'S NO PAVILION UNLESS THEY WANTED TO USE THE ONE. BUT USUALLY THE LARGE GROUP FEEDINGS THAT HAVE OCCURRED AT WELLS PARK HAVE JUST BEEN IN GREEN SPACE AGAIN FOR $50. YES. OKAY. I JUST, I'VE GONE TO, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE IT'S ALWAYS BEEN SUCH AN UPROAR OVER THIS AND I'VE GONE TO THEIR ON SUNDAYS AT FOUR O'CLOCK AND I'VE STAYED, YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE PUSHING THEM OUT. THEY'VE, THEY'VE, THEY'VE SPOKEN TO ME ABOUT IT AND THEY SAID PEOPLE KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT AND THEY COME THERE AND I, BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF THE ONES THAT STOP THERE TO GET FOOD. AND THEY MIGHT GET SOME CLOTHES IF THEY HAVE CLOTHES. THEY WERE SOMETHING THAT THEY'LL, THEY'RE GIVING OUT. BUT I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THEY DID THIS IS THAT SINCE DAILY BREAD IS NO LONGER, UM, BEING NO LONGER IN USE, THEY WILL, THEY HAVE GOTTEN THEIR OWN MAILBOX AND THEY ALLOW THESE PEOPLE TO HAVE THEIR MAIL DELIVERED TO THAT MAILBOX. SO THAT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT THESE PEOPLE, THEY'RE BEING SERVED, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY'RE HOMELESS OR GOING OR COUCH SURFING OR WHATEVER THEY ARE, UM, STILL CAN GET THESE SERVICES. UM, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE COME OUT THERE FOR SOME OF THESE PEOPLE. I STILL LIKE CARMEN TO COME WORK. YOU WOULD WANT CARMEN TO COME WORK FOR PARKS. SHE'S OCD. SHE PICKS UP EVERYTHING. SHE WOULD BE GREAT. WE HAVE MAINTENANCE WORKER JOB OPEN S RIGHT NOW. SHE WOULD BE, YOU WOULD LOVE HER. YOU WOULD LOVE, I MEAN, I SAW HER AND SHE WAS PICKING UP, SHE WAS, WHEN I WAS, I GOT THERE EARLY AND SHE WAS PICKING UP STUFF THAT WASN'T, THE GROUP HADN'T EVEN STARTED EATING OR ANYTHING ELSE. AND SHE PICKED UP THE PARK. SO I'M SURE MONDAY MORNING THERE WASN'T MUCH THERE FOR ANY PARK PERSON TO, TO DO. BUT I JUST DON'T WANT A BURDEN ON THE, YOU KNOW, THIS, THESE PEOPLE ARE OUT THERE TO HELP AND THEY, YOU KNOW, I WAS THERE WHEN THERE, I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN TALK ABOUT THE CHILDREN CAN'T BE USING IT. I SAW THERE WAS AN, I'LL SAY A FAMILY REUNION AND THERE WAS NOT THAT THERE WAS A FEW KIDS BELONGING TO THE BOMBS NOT FOOD. AND THOSE KIDS DIDN'T KNOW WHO WAS BELONGING TO WHO. THE ONLY REASON WHY WE KNEW THE ONE FAMILY IS BECAUSE THE FAMILY REUNION ALL HAD THEIR OWN SHIRT. THAT WAS THE ONLY REASON WHY YOU KNEW IT. SO YOU COULD TELL WHO WAS, THEY WERE HER. SO THE KIDS WILL PLAY WHEN THEY SANG, THE KIDS WOULD [02:10:01] PLAY AND THEY WERE FAR, AND THE ADULTS WERE FAR ENOUGH BACK. THERE IS, THEY'RE AS CLOSE AS THE BACK DOOR THERE. SO TO THE PLATE OR TO THE WINDOW. TO THE WINDOW THERE, THEY'RE NOT CLOSE. SO IT'S NOT SAYING THAT THEY'RE RIGHT UP THERE FEEDING. SO, YOU KNOW, LET'S, LET'S BE KIND TO PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO HELP PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING THIS OUT OF THEIR OWN POCKET AND TAKING THEIR OWN TIME TO DO THIS. YOU KNOW, DO WE WANNA JUST PUT THE, YOU KNOW, BE HARSH ON EVERYBODY. THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I NEED TO SAY. SO BE CAREFUL WHAT WE DO HERE. ALRIGHT. AND THEN KEVIN, COULD YOU PUT UP SOUTHWEST PARK? DO YOU HAVE A PICTURE OF THAT ONE? OH, THANK YOU. YOU READ MY MIND. THAT'S, YOU KNOW, MY OTHER THING IS MOST OF THESE PEOPLE AREN'T DRIVING. THEY'RE ON BIKES, SO, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE, ARE USING THE SERVICES THAT ARE, THAT ARE BICYCLES OR THINGS LIKE THAT. SO ARE WE MA IF WE'RE MAKING THEM GOING FROM, IT'S CLOSE ENOUGH FOR THEM TO GO TO THE, TO THE RIVERSIDE PARK. HUM. IT'S ABOUT A COUPLE MILES TO THE SOUTHWEST PARK. SO, YOU KNOW, LET'S THINK ABOUT THAT BEFORE WE SAY, OH, THAT'S GREAT. WE'RE GONNA PUT IT ALL AROUND THE CITY. SO ARE WE PUTTING AN UNDUE BURDEN ON THE PEOPLE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO, THEY'RE TRYING TO SERVE. OKAY. ANY OTHER, BEFORE I OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, WE GOT TWO SPEAKER FORMS. ALRIGHT, I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING NOW. ONE, I HAVE MS. MARGOT PIERCE PUT YOU CHECKED, YOU'RE HERE FOR QUESTIONS. DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK ANYWAY OR DO YOU WANT TO, UH, OKAY. AND THEN NEXT WOULD BE RAINA FOLEY. MY NAME IS MARGO PIERCE AND I LIVE AT 25 0 6 RIVERVIEW DRIVE IN MELBOURNE. AND I'VE READ THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE AND THE CONCEPT I LIKE, UM, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. THERE'S 23 COMMUNITY PARKS IN MELBOURNE AND YOU'RE UTILIZING EIGHT OF THEM. SO I, I AM WONDERING WHY THEY'RE NOT ALL INCLUDED. I BELIEVE THE ORLANDO, UH, UH, PROGRAM IS THE ONE THAT WE WERE MIRRORING. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY DID WAS TO RELIEVE ONE COMMUNITY FROM CARRYING THE BUR NOT THE BURDEN, BUT THE RESPONSIBILITY WAS THEY DISTRIBUTED. AND SO THOSE, THE GROUP, ANY GROUP COULD NOT USE THE SAME PARK EVERY WEEK. AND SO I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE ORDINANCE. UM, IF, IF A GROUP WANTS TO DO A LARGE GROUP FEEDING, CAN THEY CHOOSE WHICH PARK THEY USE IN GROUP A? DO THEY GET TO CHOOSE? OR IS THERE A ROTATION WITHIN THE ROTATION? THE NEXT QUESTION I HAVE IS, IF YOU'RE GOING TO WAIVE THE FEES FOR RIVERVIEW PARK, THEN YOU WAVE THEM FOR ALL THE PARKS. OKAY. YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY THEN THAT, UM, A GROUP WILL INCUR A RES UH, A FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY. EVERYBODY GETS A FREE, NOT EVERY, EVERYBODY IN THE CITY GETS A FREE PASS, BUT IF YOU'RE A LARGE GROUP FEEDING, THEN ALL THE PARKS WILL WAIVE THEIR FEE. THEREFORE THERE'S NO, WELL, GEE, I'M ONLY GONNA GO TO RIVERVIEW BECAUSE THEY WAIVED THE FEES AT RIVERVIEW, BUT THEY DON'T WAIVE 'EM ANYWHERE ELSE. SO I'M GOING TO GO TO RIVERVIEW. SO TO BE FAIR, YOU WAIVE THE FEES, BUT THEY DON'T WAIVE THE FEES. THEY DON'T WAIVE THE FEES, MA'AM. THEY PAY THE $50. MY UNDERSTANDING, AND I LOOKED AT THE APPLICATION, IS THE DIRECTOR, UH, THE DIRECTOR AND THE CITY MANAGER HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO WAIVE THE FEES RIGHT NOW. SO IF YOU'RE, AND I KNOW, AND I LOOKED AT IT AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS, AND I WISH I HAD BROUGHT THAT. BUT TAKE A LOOK AT THE APPLICATIONS AND THEN LOOK AT THE APPROVAL AND YOU'LL SEE THAT THE FEES ARE WAIVED. AND IF YOU WANT TO BE, UM, THE CITY CAN CONTRIBUTE TO THE, UM, TO THE CARE, THEN GO AHEAD AND WAIVE THE FEES, BE UPFRONT ABOUT IT, AND THAT ALL THE PARKS WILL WAIVE THEM. THE OTHER THING IS, WHEN YOU SAY GREEN SPACE, DO YOU REALIZE THAT I CAN GO COAL LAKE RIGHT NEXT TO THE BOAT RAMP? I CAN GO AHEAD AND WRITE WHERE THE, YOU WRAP UP YOUR COMMENTS, BUT I KEEP GOING. BUT WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS TO BE LEGALLY FAIR, SAME RULES FOR EVERYBODY. SURE. 23 PARKS, YOU HAVE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO DISTRIBUTE IT. OKAY. I MEAN, THAT'S MY FIELD. WELL, LET ME, LET ME ASK MR. CONLEY [02:15:01] HERE. HE'S GOT, HE, HE DID THE METHODOLOGY AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I THINK HE COULD ANSWER A FEW OF THOSE QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE THERE. DID, DID YOU GRASP BY THE WAY? I THINK IT WAS FOUR THINGS. YEAH, I BELIEVE SO. OKAY. YEP. SO WITHIN FIRST THERE WAS A QUESTION OF HOW, HOW DO APPLICANTS HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CHOOSE WITHIN THE GROUP A, GROUP B ON THE ROTATING SECTION, RIGHT? THE GOAL AND, AND THE METHODOLOGY WAS TO, AGAIN, ATTEMPT TO PROVIDE AND, AND MAINTAIN THE STATUS QUO OF THE OVERALL AMOUNT OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR POTENTIAL APPLICANTS TO, UM, EXERCISE THIS, THIS ACT, THIS ACTIVITY WITHIN CITY PARKS. SO YES, WITHIN THE GROUP A, GROUP B, THAT'S, THAT'S PROPOSED IN THE ORDINANCE, APPLICANTS WOULD BE ABLE TO SELECT AN AVAILABLE SPOT THAT'S STILL ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS WITH, UM, REVIEW BY THE PARKS DIRECTOR ON WHAT OTHER ACTIVITIES ARE GOING ON, WHAT, WHAT SERVICES MAY BE NEEDED, SO ON AND SO FORTH, RIGHT? SO IT'S NOT AN AUTOMATIC YES, NO, IT'S JUST A WHAT ARE THE, WHAT ARE THE PARKS AND DATES AND TIMES AVAILABLE TO EVEN APPLY FOR A LARGE GROUP FEEDING. SO YES, WITHIN THAT GROUP A, GROUP B, ALL OF THOSE ARE AVAILABLE ON THOSE PARTICULAR WEEKEND DAYS, YOU KNOW, ON WHETHER IT'S THE FIRST AND THIRD WEEKEND, SECOND AND FOURTH WEEK ON, SO ON AND SO ON AND SO FORTH, RIGHT? THAT'S, THAT WAS THE METHODOLOGY TO TRY AND PRESERVE THE OVERALL NUMBER OF OPPORTUNITIES ON ANY GIVEN DAY. UM, NEXT, UH, AS, AS FAR AS THE, THE FEE WAIVERS GO AGAIN, I THINK WE'VE DISTINGUISHED BETWEEN A PERMIT FEE FOR A LARGE GROUP FEEDING OR OUTDOOR PUBLIC ASSEMBLY, AS ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. OUR CODE RECOGNIZES THAT IF PEOPLE CAN COME IN AND SAY, I'M EXERCISING MY FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS, DON'T HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT, IT'S BURDENSOME, SO ON AND SO FORTH, ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, PARKS, PARKS DIRECTOR, CITY MANAGER IN OUR OFFICE CAN REVIEW THAT AND MAKE A DETERMINATION WHETHER OR NOT TO WAIVE THAT PERMIT FEE. NOTWITHSTANDING THAT PERMIT FEE, THERE IS STILL A RENTAL CHARGE THAT OCCURS, BUT WHEN THEY'RE DOING GREEN SPACE PAVILION, SO ON AND SO FORTH, SO THEY GET CHARGED THE RENTAL FEE, THEY DON'T GET, THEY DON'T NECESSARILY GET CHARGED THE PERMIT FEE. UM, NEXT, WITH REGARD TO LIKE SPECIFIC LOCATIONS WITHIN THE PARKS WHERE THE ACTIVITY OCCURS, I THINK THAT'S A BETTER ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS DONE BY THE PARKS DIRECTOR RATHER THAN TRYING TO EMBED SPECIFIC LANGUAGE INTO THE ORDINANCE ITSELF. UM, CHAPTER 42 OF CITY CODE STILL GRANTS THE PARKS DIRECTOR, CITY MANAGER, A GREAT DEAL OF AUTHORITY TO COME UP WITH ADMINISTRATIVE RULES AND OTHER THINGS TO TRY AND MANAGE THE, THE USE OF THE PARKS. SO IF THERE ARE PARTICULAR THINGS OF PARTICULAR AREAS WHERE LARGE GROUP FEEDING SHOULD OCCUR, THEN, THEN I, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THAT OCCUR AT THE ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL, NOT, NOT WITHIN THE LANGUAGE OF, OF CODE ITSELF. UM, AND, AND LASTLY, I I, I, I'M NOT SURE I, THAT THE NUMBER OF COMMUNITY PARKS, I, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE 23 COMMUNITY PARKS AND, AND AGAIN, RIGHT? I THINK FROM, FROM THE DISCUSSIONS WE'VE PREVIOUSLY HAD, RIGHT? SOME, SOME PARKS BECAUSE OF OTHER ACTIVITIES, YOU KNOW, BALLARD, FRONT, FRONT STREET, OTHER THINGS, RIGHT? DON'T KNOW IF THOSE ARE REALLY, UM, APPROPRIATE GIVEN ALL THE, THEIR SIZE AND, AND THE OTHER ACTIVITIES GOING ON THERE. SO I I STILL THINK CITY STAFF IS SAYING THIS IS, THIS IS LIKELY THE, THE BEST ROSTER OF, OF PARKS TO MINIMIZE WITHOUT NECESSARILY NOT HAVING ANY COMMUNITY IMPACTS. RIGHT? BUT AGAIN, TO, TO TRY AND MITIGATE, MINIMIZE COMMUNITY IMPACTS WHILE AGAIN, NOW ROTATING, UM, THE ACTIVITY THROUGHOUT THE CITY TO, TO SPREAD THAT BURDEN AROUND. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OF THE QUESTIONS. YEAH. , SO WHAT I'M SEEING, I'M, I'M SORRY, I WAS SPEAKING WITH COUNCIL . OKAY. I'M SORRY. I I'M SEEING THE BACK DOOR. SORRY. I'LL GIVE YOU ONE THING, BUT THEN WE HAVE TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SPEAKER. PARDON? SO I'LL GIVE YOU A FINAL COMMENT AND THEN WE HAVE TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SPEAKER. YEAH. SPEAKER, THIS IS A BACK BACKDOOR WAY OF, OF COURSE THEY'RE GONNA GO TO RIVERVIEW BECAUSE RIVERVIEW WAIVES THE FEES, AND I'M TELLING YOU, THEY WAIVE THE FEES. AND IN RIVERVIEW, BECAUSE IT'S GREEN, THEY'RE GONNA CO-LOCATE WITH THE PLAYGROUND. AND WHY WOULD THEY GO INTO ANY OF THESE OTHER PARKS WHEN THEY CAN GO FREE AND THEY'RE ALREADY SET UP. YOU, YOU ARE NOT ROTATING THROUGHOUT THE CITY. YOU'RE BASICALLY SETTING US UP. CAN WE GO ON TO NO CHANGE? WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON. NO CHANGE. NOW IF YOU WANNA ROTATE WITHIN GROUP EIGHT DIRECT TO, DO YOU DIRECT TO COUNCIL? OH, I'M SORRY. IF YOU WANNA ROTATE WITHIN GROUP EIGHT, THAT THAT WOULD BE MORE, WOULD BE BETTER. SURE. BUT WE GET YOUR, IF YOU'RE SAYING I CAN WALK IN AND I CAN CHOOSE WITHIN THESE THREE PARKS AND OH, RIVERVIEW, I'LL TAKE RIVERVIEW EVERY TIME. RIGHT? BUT THERE, AND I'M SAYING IT'S, IT'S A BACKDOOR WAY TO DO IT. SURE. WE NO, WE UNDERSTAND AND THANK YOU, THANK YOU SO MUCH. BUT WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO MS. RENA FOLEY. [02:20:10] RITA FOLEY 27 0 4 MELWOOD DRIVE. UM, FIRST I WANNA THANK YOU FOR ADDRESSING THIS ISSUE BECAUSE, UH, RIVERVIEW PARK IS MY LOCAL AND, UH, WE HAVE HAD PROBLEMS WITH IT. I DO HAVE QUESTIONS NOW, I DIDN'T HAVE BEFORE THE REPORT CAME OUT. UM, I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT LIKE, IF, IF, UH, RIVERVIEW PARK IS IN GROUP A, THAT IF THE OTHER TWO PARKS, THEY'RE NOT CHOOSING THEM, THEN RIVERVIEW PARK COULD CONCEIVABLY GET TWICE A MONTH THAT THEY WOULD BE HOSTING THE, THE, UH, FEEDINGS. UM, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU ADDRESS THAT, BECAUSE INITIALLY I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A ROTATION AMONG THE SIX PARKS. SO WE WOULD HAVE ONE, MAYBE EVERY SIX WEEKS WE WOULD HAVE A, UM, THE, UM, FEEDING OCCUR THERE. THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD IS WHEN, UM, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT GREEN SPACE VERSUS THE PAVILIONS, UM, AND WHAT, WHAT I READ OR HEARD PROBABLY DIDN'T HEAR, RIGHT, BUT WHAT I HEARD WAS THAT, UH, THE GREEN SPACES PROVIDED AS THE AREA THAT THE, UM, THE FEEDINGS WOULD OCCUR WHERE RIVERVIEW PARK HAS SEVERAL LITTLE PAVILIONS AND THEY, UM, HALF OF THEM ARE AROUND THE PLAYGROUND AREA. SO MY QUESTION IS, WHEN THEY, THE, UH, APPLICATION GOES THROUGH AND THEY WANT TO RENT A PAVILION, THAT FEE IS NEVER WAIVED. THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING FROM TONIGHT. AND THAT THEY'RE RENTING ONE PAVILION, NOT FIVE PAVILIONS WITH THAT PERMIT BECAUSE THE PAVILIONS ARE FAIRLY CLOSE TO EACH OTHER, THAT THAT WAS JUST AN AWARENESS THAT PERHAPS IT CAN SPILL OUT TO THE OTHER, OTHER PLACES. SO THAT'S JUST MY CONCERN. OKAY. AND, UM, AGAIN, THE TIME, TIME SPAN, SOMETIMES IT CAN EXTEND BEYOND THE HOURS THAT, THAT WE'RE DOING. AND I KNOW IT'S IMPORTANT TO TAKE CARE OF PEOPLE, BUT ALSO THE BURDEN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF THE CLEANUP. AND SOME PEOPLE NEVER LEAVE, WHICH I HATE TO SAY THAT, BUT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAS BEEN, UM, BECAUSE OF THE DAILY BREAD AND SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS, AND WE'RE CLOSE TO, WE'RE WITHIN THE ONE MILE RADIUS. SO, UM, WE'VE HAD A PROBLEM WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE CAMPING DOWN BY THE RIVER IN THE PARK AND DOWN ON OUR PRIVATE PROPERTY, DOWN THE BLUFF INTO THE PARK. AND I JUST DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO KEEP REINFORCING THAT BEHAVIOR BY HAVING THE FEEDINGS OCCUR SO FREQUENTLY. I'D, I'D RATHER THAT THEY WERE DISPERSED THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE TOWN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THAT ENDS OUR PUBLIC COMMENT HERE. I'M GONNA BRING THIS BACK TO COUNSEL. UH, DO WE, I KNOW, UH, WELL IT LOOKS LIKE PART OF IT, WE HAVE TO PICK A PARK AND THEN ALSO APPROVE THE ORDINANCE. I'M, I'M LEANING TOWARDS SOUTHWEST. DO WE HAVE ANY MA'AM, MS. KENNEDY? UM, I KNOW, UM, EARLIER I SAID I WANTED TO SEE THESE PICTURES. YES. AND THANK YOU FOR PULLING THEM UP. UM, BUT I AM WITH THESE PICTURES LEANING TOWARDS SOUTHWEST AS WELL. OKAY. AGREED. OKAY, GREAT. ALRIGHT. DO, UH, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? SO THIS SORT CLOSE OUT GROUP, IS IT A AND GROUP B? OKAY. YEAH, IT'S JUST THAT WE'RE JUST PUTTING, THE ORDINANCE SAYS IT'S, THE REQUEST FOR ACTION IS COUNCIL DIRECTION ON FINALIZED THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT OF SECTION 42 DASH 19, AND THE APPROVAL ORDINANCE NUMBER 2 2 5 50, I THINK, I THINK A MOTION COULD BE A APPROVAL, APPROVAL OF THE ORDINANCE WITH A CORRECTION TO SPECIFY SOUTHWEST PARK FOR FOR THAT, FOR THAT LAST GROUP B PARK. ARE WE ADDING IT UP? ARE WE MAKING THAT MOTION? ARE WE NO, ARE WE, I'M CONFUSED NOW. ARE WE ADDING SOUTHWEST ON? YEP. SO, SO, SO YOU MAY, YOU MAY SEE IN THE, IN THE DRAFT ORDINANCE IN, IN GROUP B FOR, FOR ALTERNATING WEEKENDS, THERE'S A BRACKETED LINE AS THE, SHOULD BE THE LAST LINE WHERE IT WAS BRACKETED FOR EITHER SOUTHWEST PARK OR EDDIE LEE TAYLOR. AND THAT'S WHERE WE WERE LOOKING FOR DIRECTION TO MODIF TO MODIFY THE, THE LANGUAGE TO SPECIFY WHICH ONE SHOULD, SHOULD BE THERE FOR FINAL, FINAL READING AND A AND ADOPTION. OKAY. SO WE'RE JUST SAYING IT CAN'T BE BOTH. IT HAS TO BE ONE OR THE OTHER. YEAH, WE WERE, WE WERE, WE WERE LOOKING FOR COUNCIL DIRECTION ON WHICH, WHICH OF THOSE TWO DO YOU PREFER? AND IT, AND IT'S SOUNDING LIKE YOU PREFER SOUTHWEST PARK TO BE ON THAT ROSTER. WE CAN'T JUST ADD IT ON SO THAT THEY CAN PICK, UH, PICK ADDED EDIT LEE OR THE SOUTHWEST. I, I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND, I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND ADDING FOUR PARKS NECESSARILY TO THE, THE GOAL, [02:25:01] THE GOAL WITH THE ROTATION WAS TO HAVE SORT OF A NORTHERN ISH, CENTRAL ISH, AND SOUTH AREA PARK AVAILABLE ON, ON ANY PARTICULAR WEEKEND DAY. AND SO THAT'S WHERE, AGAIN, FOR GROUP B, WE WERE TRYING TO IDENTIFY A, A THIRD COMMUNITY PARK, LARGE PARK WITH APPROPRIATE AMENITIES AND, AND EVERYTHING AS, AS AN OPTION. SO AGAIN, WE'RE ASKING COUNSEL, DO YOU PREFER SOUTHWEST PARK OR EDDIE LEE TAYLOR TO BE ADDED TO THAT WEEKEND ROSTER? I SAY EDDIE LEE TAYLOR BECAUSE IT'S CLOSER TO WHERE THE, WHERE THE FEEDING IS ALREADY GOING ON RIGHT NOW. AND, UM, YOU, YOU'RE ADDING TIME AND DIS DISTANCE FOR PEOPLE TO GET THERE. THESE AREN'T EDDIE LEE TAYLOR IS, IS MORE ON THE EASTERN SIDE WHERE I ALWAYS, I CALL BABCOCK THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE LINE DIVIDING EAST AND WEST. SO YOU'RE PUTTING THAT ON THE WESTERN SIDE WHERE MOST OF THESE PEOPLE ARE LIVING ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF BABCOCK STREET. THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY OPINION OF IT, THAT THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF BABCOCK STREET, NOT THE WESTERN SIDE. OKAY. ANY OTHER THOUGHTS OR OPINIONS ON PARKS? NOT WE NEED A MOTION TO MOVE FORWARD. I PUT, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE PUT EDDIE LEE TAYLOR. OKAY. I DON'T HEAR A SECOND. DO WE HAVE ANOTHER MOTION? I MOTION THAT, UH, THAT WE APPROVE THE ORDINANCE AND THAT SOUTHWEST PARK IS THE PARK OF CHOICE. DOES THAT QUALIFY HOW YOU WANT IT SAID? ALRIGHT. SOUNDS GOOD. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? WE HAVE A SECOND BY MS. KENNEDY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED NAY AND I VOTE. AYE. AND THE MOTION PASSES. ALRIGHT, MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 19, UH, DISCUSSION ON THE CIVIC CENTER WITH JOAN PRESENTING. SORRY. OH, JESUS. DO IT. YOU'LL BE SORRY. , YOU'RE GETTING IT BACK IN A MINUTE. GOOD EVENING. YEP. JOAN, NEW NUALA BROWN, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER. I HAVE THE PLEASURE OF PRESENTING AN OVERVIEW OF THE 2007 CIVIC CENTER STUDY PHASE ONE MARKET STUDY. UH, MOVING TO THE FIRST SLIDE, JUST WANT PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE PURPOSE OF THE STUDY. SO THE STUDY WAS COMMISSIONED AND, UM, THE CONSULTANT AT THE TIME STRATEGIC PLANNING GROUP BACK IN 2007 WAS TASKED WITH CONDUCTING A MARKET ANALYSIS AND A FACILITY ASSESSMENT FOR A PUBLIC ASSESSMENT, UH, SORRY, PUBLIC ASSEMBLY FACILITY. AND THAT'LL BE IMPORTANT LATER. THE, UH, THE PHASE ONE STUDY WAS REALLY LOOKING AT THE MARKET ASSESSMENT OF THE MELBOURNE AREA, REALLY TO LOOK AT THE POTENTIAL FOR DEVELOPMENT OF A PUBLIC ASSEMBLY FACILITY AND THE TYPE OF FACILITY CONFIGURATION THAT WAS APPROPRIATE FOR THE EXISTING SITE AND ANY POTENTIAL FUTURE USES. AND YOU CAN SEE OUTLINED THE TYPES OF TASKS INCLUDED, INFORMATION GATHERING, COMMUNITY ATTRIBUTES, INTERVIEWS WITH VARIOUS STAKEHOLDERS, UH, SUMMARIZING CONVENTION TRADE SHOW, INDU, INDUSTRY TRENDS, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA TALK A LOT ABOUT TONIGHT. AND ANALYZING THE COMPARABLE FACILITIES. AND THEN OF COURSE, DEVELOPING AND ALTERNATIVE BUILDING PROGRAMS AND ESTIMATES OF UTILIZATION. SO THE PURPOSE OF THE STUDY ALSO SPOKE ABOUT FUTURE PHASES, UH, THAT WOULD'VE COME AFTER THIS STUDY. UH, THOSE PHASES DID NOT MATERIALIZE, BUT PHASE TWO AND THREE WOULD'VE BEEN AN ASSESSMENT OF THE SITE IN THE EXISTING AUDITORIUM. AND THAT WOULD'VE DETERMINED THE SUITABILITY OF THE SITE TO, UM, CONSTRUCT WHAT WAS THE RESULT OF THE PHASE ONE. PHASE FOUR WOULD'VE BEEN TO PROVIDE FINANCIAL ESTIMATES AND CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND THEN IDENTIFY POTENTIAL FUNDING SOURCES. AGAIN, NONE OF THOSE FUTURE PHASES MATERIALIZED. SO AN OVERVIEW OF THE MELBOURNE AUDITORIUM, UH, JUST QUICKLY WAS BUILT IN 1964, APPROXIMATELY 20,600 SQUARE FEET, A COMPILATION OF VARIOUS SPACES. THE LARGEST SPACE BEING 8,900 FEET, THAT SQUARE FEET, THAT'S IMPORTANT. LATER, UH, ADDITIONS TO THE FACILITY WAS BUILT OUT OVER TIME. THE, UH, USE OF THE FACILITY WAS PREDOMINANTLY PUBLIC ORIENTED TRADE SHOWS. AND IN 2007, THE STUDY IDENTIFIED THAT THE FACILITY WAS FUNCTIONALLY OBSOLETE AND ALREADY FUNCTIONING AT MAX CAPACITY. THE STUDY ALSO NOTED THAT IT LACKED ADEQUATE PARKING AND DID NOT PROVIDE CLOSE PROXIMITY TO A SUPPLY OF 300 HOTEL ROOMS. AGAIN, THAT'LL [02:30:01] BE IMPORTANT LATER. SO WHEN THEY WERE LOOKING AT A PUBLIC ASSEMBLY FACILITY, WHAT TYPES OF PUBLIC ASSEMBLY FACILITY COULD BE LOCATED IN PLACE OF, OR AN EXPANSION OF, OR AN ENHANCEMENT OF THE EXISTING MELBOURNE AUDITORIUM? THE CONSULTANT LOOKED AT AUDITORIUMS, ARENAS, EXHIBIT HALLS, CONVENTION CENTERS, AND MULTIPURPOSE CENTERS. SO IN 2007, THE TRENDS FOR CONVENTIONS, UM, THIS WAS REALLY LOOKING AT THE NUMBER OF MEETINGS BY TYPE, WHICH WERE MORE OF THOSE CORPORATE EVENTS, PREDOMINANTLY 82% THE TYPE OF MEETING BY AVERAGE ATTENDEE COUNT. AGAIN, CONVENTION CENTER OR CONVENTIONS WERE, UH, 1,488 MEETINGS. MEETING TYPE BY TOTAL EXPENDITURES WERE, UH, THE, THE, THE HIGHEST PROPORTION WAS BY ASSOCIATION MEETINGS AND CONVENTIONS GROSSING 41.8 BILLION. SO SLIDES SIX THROUGH EIGHT. THIS, THIS SLIDE THROUGH SLIDE EIGHT WILL FOCUS ON CONVENTIONS SPECIFICALLY. UM, REALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE IN TABLE 13 IS THIS IS THE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE TYPE OF MEETING, THE NUMBER OF MEETINGS, SORRY, BY TYPE. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE TABLE, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE, BUT I'LL, I'LL TRY TO READ IT OUT FOR YOU HERE. NUMBER ONE IS TRAINING AND EDUCATION SEMINARS. NUMBER TWO IS SALES AND MARKETING. AND NUMBER THREE IS PROFESSIONAL AND TECHNICAL. AND AGAIN, THAT'S IN ORDER OF NUMBER OF MEETINGS BY TYPE. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE OTHER SIDE OF THE, OR IN THE, RATHER THE MIDDLE COLUMN THAT'S LOOKING AT THE AVERAGE ATTENDANCE BY MEETING TYPE AND THE AVERAGE ATTENDANCE BY MEETING TYPE NUMBER ONE, TOP MEETING TYPE IS OTHER DID NOT STATE WHAT OTHER CONTAINED NUMBER TWO IS GROUP INCENTIVE MEETINGS AND TRIPS. I PERSONALLY AM NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT THAT MEANS, SO I'M JUST SHARING THAT JUST FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES. AND NUMBER THREE WAS PROFESSIONAL TECHNICAL AND NEW PRODUCTION INTRODUCTION. 2007 TRENDS FOR CONVENTIONS. LOOKING AT THE TOP FIVE, UM, TYPES OF CONVENTIONS BY TYPE OF FACILITY, THE DOWNTOWN HOTELS, 74% OF THOSE FACILITIES USED FOR CONVENTIONS WERE DOWNTOWN HOTELS. 40 54% WERE RESORT HOTELS, NOT INCLUDING GOLF RESORTS, SUBURBAN HOTELS AT 45%. CONVENTION CENTERS AT 37%, AND AIRPORT HOTELS AT 30, AT 34%. AND AGAIN, I'M JUST SUMMARIZING THE DATA THAT WAS PROVIDED IN THE 2007 STUDY. UH, THE FOLLOWING NINE SLIDE, NINE THROUGH 11, THESE ARE GONNA REALLY BE LOOKING AT TRADE SHOWS IN EXHIBITS, UM, THAT THE TRENDS AND DATA FROM 2007 ON THOSE SPECIFICALLY. SO THE CENTER FOR EX, UH, EXHIBITION INDUSTRY RESEARCH WAS A, UM, SOURCE THAT THE CONSULTANT USED TO CONDUCT THE DATA THAT YOU'LL SEE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES. THEY CONDUCTED AN ANALYSIS OF OVER 11,000 EXHIBITIONS HELD IN THE US DURING 22,000. I'M SORRY, IT SAYS 2025, BUT IT SHOULD SAY 2005. UM, EXHIBITIONS WERE BY TYPE OF VENUE VARIED GREATLY BETWEEN FLORIDA AND THE US. YOU'LL SEE THAT THE TOP VENUE IN THE US FOR AN, UM, EXHIBITION, I'M SORRY, FOR A TRADE SHOW, AN EXHIBIT WAS EXHIBITION AND CONVENTION CENTER, WHEREAS IN FLORIDA IT WAS HOTEL FACILITIES. QUESTION, COULD THIS HAVE BEEN DUE TO THE LACK OF CONVENTION CENTERS IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA? THE NEXT SLIDE, USING THE SAME SOURCE, UH, CENTER FOR EXHIBITION INDUSTRY RESEARCH, THEY LOOKED AT TWO MAJOR CONVENTION CENTERS IN THE SOUTHEAST UNITED STATES. THOSE CONVENTION CENTERS HAVING OVER 2 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF CONVENTION SPACE, MEETING SPACE AND EXHIBIT SPACE, ALSO HAVING AMPLE PARKING AND A STRONG NUMBER OF HOTELS WITHIN THE IMMEDIATE AREA. THOSE TWO FACILITIES WERE ORANGE COUNTY CONVENTION CENTER AND GEORGIA WORLD CONGRESS IN ATLANTA. IF YOU LOOK AT THE TABLE, AGAIN, IT'S HARD TO SEE ON THE SLIDE, BUT I'LL READ IT OUT TO YOU. THE MAJORITY OF THE, UM, CON THE EXHIBIT, UH, EXHIBITION TYPE VENUE SPACES IN ORLANDO, THOSE EVENTS HELD, WERE HELD IN A HOTEL SPACE, WHEREAS IN ATLANTA, 58% AT A CONVENTION CENTER, AGAIN, BEGS THE QUESTION IS THAT BECAUSE FLORIDA DOES NOT HAVE A NUMBER OF CONVENTION CENTERS. SO THE FINAL SLIDE IN THE TRADE SHOW AND EXHIBIT, UH, TRENDS FOR 2007, NEARLY TWO THIRDS OF ALL EVENTS IN THE US AND IN FLORIDA REQUIRED LESS THAN 25,000 SQUARE FEET OF CONTIGUOUS SPACE. NEARLY HALF OF ALL THE EVENTS [02:35:01] REQUIRED LESS THAN 10,000 SQUARE FEET IN BOTH FLORIDA AND THE US. AND THEN THE SAME IS TRUE FOR ORLANDO AND ATLANTA. SO IT JUST SHOWS YOU GLOBALLY VERSUS WHAT WE ARE SEEING WITH FLORIDA AND ORLANDO, THE ORANGE COUNTY CONVENTION CENTER, AND THEN THE ONE IN ATLANTA, 2007 TRENDS, A NUMBER OF EVENTS BY INDUSTRY, REALLY THIS SLIDE IS LOOKING AT ORLANDO VERSUS ATLANTA. SO IF YOU LOOK AT EVENTS BY INDUSTRY, UM, YOU'LL SEE THE INDUSTRIES LISTED ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE IN ORLANDO, THE TOP THREE, UH, INDUSTRIES LOOKING AT PROFESSIONAL BUSINESS SERVICES, NUMBER ONE, MEDICAL AND HEALTHCARE NUMBER TWO, COMMUNICATIONS, INFORMATION, TECHNOLOGY AND SCIENCE. AT NUMBER THREE AND ATLANTA, THE ORDER WAS CONSUMER GOODS NUMBER ONE, PROFESSIONAL BUSINESS SERVICES NUMBER TWO AND THREE, MEDICAL AND HEALTH, UH, CARE. AND REALLY WHAT THIS IS SHOWING IS THE TYPES OF, UH, INDUSTRY THAT TYPICALLY HOLD EVENTS AND CONVENTION CENTER SPACE AND EXHIBIT SPACE. SO JUST KIND OF SHOWING IF WE WERE TO HAVE A CONVENTION CENTER AS AN EXAMPLE, IN 2007 AT LEAST THESE ARE THE TYPE TYPES OF, OF INDUSTRIES YOU WOULD SEE USING THE SPACE. THE NEXT TWO SLIDES WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT ARE RELATED TO LODGING AND HOTEL TRENDS IN BREVARD COUNTY SPECIFICALLY, UH, THE TABLE BELOW ADDRESSES THE HOTELS AND THE LODGING FACILITIES HERE IN BREVARD COUNTY. AND OF NOTE, MOST OF THE BREVARD COUNTY HOTEL ROOMS WERE ACTUALLY LOCATED IN COCOA BEACH. THEY HAD 19 PROPERTIES IDENTIFIED. AGAIN, THIS IS 2007, AND IN MELBOURNE PALM BAY, NINE PROPERTIES COMBINED BETWEEN THOSE TWO JURISDICTIONS. SO LOOKING AT THE SUCCESS FACTORS FOR MEETING SPACES SPECIFICALLY, UM, THE, THE SUMMARY OF WHAT YOU SEE IN THIS TABLE HERE, OR WHAT YOU MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO SEE ON THE SLIDE, BASED ON THE TRENDS FOR SUCCESSFUL MEETING SPACES, THE KEY FACTORS INCLUDED A MINIMUM OF 10,000 SQUARE FEET OF CONTIGUOUS MEETING SPACE AND APPROXIMATELY 300 HOTEL ROOMS. THERE WAS NO HOTEL IN BREVARD COUNTY, AT LEAST IN 2007, THAT HAD A MINIMUM 300 ROOM HOTEL AND A CONTIGUOUS MEETING SPACE OF 10,000 SQUARE FEET. THE CLOSEST THAT CAME, UH, WAS HILTON RIALTO AT THE TIME IN 2007, HAD 237 HOTEL ROOMS AND A TOTAL 10,100 SQUARE FEET OF MEETING SPACE. AGAIN, NOT CONTIGUOUS 10,000 SQUARE FEET. THE CONSULTANT ALSO LOOKED AT AVAILABLE MEETING SPACES AND VENUES IN MELBOURNE, AND THEY CATEGORIZED IT BY THESE THREE CATEGORIES HERE. THEATRICAL CONTRA, CONCERTS AND PERFORMANCES. HENNEGER CENTER AND KING CENTER WERE IDENTIFIED, CLASSROOM LECTURE HALLS, CEREMONIES, BA, SMALL BANQUETS, FIT WAS IDENTIFIED. TRADE SHOWS, COMMUNITY ORIENTED EVENTS LIKE CONCERTS, STANCES, AND BANQUETS. OF COURSE MELBOURNE AUDITORIUM. THIS SLIDE HERE IS REALLY JUST A UTILIZATION REPORT FOR THE MELBOURNE AUDITORIUM FOR 2002 TO 2006. BUT IN SUMMARY, FACILITY USAGE, UH, BY MONTH, THE HIGHEST, UH, USAGE MONTHS WERE FEBRUARY, JANUARY AND SEPTEMBER. THE HIGHEST FACILITY USAGE BY DAY OF THE WEEK WAS SATURDAY, FRIDAY, THURSDAY AND SUNDAY. THE CONSULTANT PROVIDED FACILITY PROGRAM RECOMMENDATIONS. SO THIS WOULD'VE BEEN THE RESULTS OF PHASE ONE AND, UH, WHAT THEY, TO SUMMARIZE WHAT THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS WERE, THE EXHIBIT ELEMENT, THE CONVENTION CENTER SLASH EXHIBIT ELEMENT WAS AN IMPORTANT ELEMENT IN A PROPOSED MULTIPURPOSE FACILITY. IT SHOULD CONTAIN A MINIMUM OF 40,000 SQUARE FEET FOR PHASE ONE AND SHOULD PROVIDE FOR THE ABILITY TO EXPAND FOR FUTURE PHASES AS THE MARKET DEMANDS. THEY ALSO NOTE THAT A MINIMUM OF 20,000 TO 25,000 CONTIGUOUS SQUARE FEET BE MADE AVAILABLE, WHETHER YOU USE PARTITIONS THAT CAN ACCORDION WALLS THAT CAN BE OPEN AND CLOSED. UM, AND THEN THE MINIMUM FOR BREAKOUT SPACE BE 8,000 TO 10,000 SQUARE FEET. THE CONSULTANT ALSO NOTED THAT THEY RECOMMEND THE CITY DOES NOT GO ARENA TYPE VENUE BECAUSE THERE WERE STUDIES THAT SHOWED ANYONE WHO HAD DONE AN ARENA IN THE, AS THEIR, UH, PROPOSED FACILITY TYPE, ENDED UP CONVERTING TO A CONVENTION CENTER OR EXHIBIT SPACE ANYWAY, BECAUSE THE MARKET DEMANDED THAT. THE OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS INCLUDE, BE LOCATED IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO HOTELS WITH AT LEAST A, A MINIMUM 300 ROOM SUPPLY AND A HOTEL THAT PREFERABLY PROVIDES COMPLIMENTARY MEETING SPACE AND DINING AMENITIES, EQUIP THE FACILITY WITH MODERATE AMENITIES LIKE SOUND SYSTEM, INTERNET ACCESS, PORTABLE [02:40:01] STAGES, SEATING AND LIGHTING, AND THAT THE FACILITY LOCATION SHOULD ALLOW FOR FUTURE EXPANSION AND SUCH ADEQUATE PARKING. THIS SLIDE IS LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVE SCENARIOS. SO THIS IS WHAT WOULD THE DATA LOOK LIKE THE USAGE LOOK LIKE IF WE KEPT EVERYTHING THE SAME. ALTERNATIVE B IS WHAT IF WE IMPLEMENT PHASE ONE WITH A 40,000 SQUARE FOOT FACILITY? AND ALTERNATIVE C IS, WHAT DOES THAT FULL BUILD OUT FACILITY LOOK LIKE? SO IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, ONE THING THAT JUMPED OUT AT ME ANYWAY IS YOU LOOK AT THE FIRST LINE CONVENTIONS. CURRENTLY YOU HAVE 2.5 AVERAGE DAYS IN USE FOR A CONVENTION TYPE EVENT. YOU LOOK OVER INTO ALTERNATIVE B AND C AND YOU SEE THOSE NUMBERS INCREASE. SO ULTIMATELY IT'S REALLY JUST LOOKING AT, TAKING INTO ACCOUNT IF THIS FACILITY WAS ABLE TO SERVE CONVENTION CENTER TYPE USES, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE, UH, EVENTS AND THE ATTENDANCE GROWS. SO I'M BRINGING THIS UP. THIS IS SORT OF MY REMINDER SLIDE. THIS IS WHERE WE SORT OF STARTED THE STUDY. UM, PHASE ONE COMPLETE. THEY DID THE MARKET STUDY RECOMMENDATIONS. I JUST READ OUT TO YOU. PHASE TWO AND THREE WERE THE ASSESSMENT OF THE SITE AND EXISTING, UM, AUDITORIUM TO DETERMINE THE SUITABILITY SHOULD THEY DEVELOP A, THE PHASE ONE RECOMMENDATIONS. UM, I UNDERLINE HERE, THIS IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE. THE CITY IS CURRENTLY IN PROCESS OF REVIEWING RQS OR SO SUBMITTALS FOR A FACILITIES CONDITION ASSESSMENT, RFQ. AND THAT'S LOOKING AT ALL OF THE FACILITIES THAT THE CITY HAS, THE CONDITION OF THOSE FACILITIES AND WHAT IT WOULD COST TO REPAIR OR REPLACE. EITHER IT'S A COMPONENT OF THE FACILITY OR THE FACILITY AS A WHOLE. AND THEN THE LAST RECOMMENDED PHASE IN THE STUDY WAS TO CONDUCT FINANCIAL ESTIMATES IN CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND IDENTIFY FUNDING SOURCES. AND THAT, OF COURSE WAS NEVER INITIATED. SO NEXT STEPS AND DIRECTIONS. AND THIS IS REALLY JUST KIND OF A, YOU KNOW, WHERE DO WE WANT TO BE? THESE ARE A COUPLE OF OPTIONS, BUT THESE ARE CERTAINLY NOT ALL THE OPTIONS. I'M SURE YOU KNOW, EACH OF YOU HAS YOUR OWN IDEA AND SO WE CAN TALK THROUGH THOSE. BUT THE, THE SIMPLE FACT IS RIGHT NOW WE HAVE $75,000 BUDGETED. COUNSEL CAN SELECT ONE OF THESE, CAN CHOOSE A DIFFERENT OPTION. THESE OPTIONS HERE ARE NOT IN PRIORITY ORDER. UM, I PERSONALLY HAVE MY OWN SUGGESTION, BUT I'LL READ THESE OUT TO YOU AND THEN WE CAN TALK THROUGH, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE FOR EACH OF YOU COUNCIL MEMBERS. UM, OPTION A IS AN ASSESSMENT OF THE EXISTING SITE THAT WOULD'VE BEEN PHASE TWO IN THE PHASE TWO AND THREE IN THE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS OF PHASE ONE STUDY. AND THAT'S LOOKING AT WHAT THE SITE, UH, FEASIBILITY ESSENTIALLY IS. IF THEY WERE TO IMPLEMENT PHASE ONE FROM THE 2007 STUDY. COST FOR THAT TYPE OF STUDY IS UNKNOWN. UH, OPTION B COMMISSION FINANCIAL ESTIMATES AND CONSTRUCTION COSTS FOR FACILITY OPERATIONS AND IDENTIFY FUNDING SOURCES. AGAIN, THAT WAS PHASE, UH, FOUR OF THE ORIGINAL STUDY WAS NEVER IMPLEMENTED. I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE COST OF THAT WOULD BE, BUT AGAIN, WE HAVE $75,000 BUDGETED CURRENTLY. OPTION C IS A COMMISSION AND UPDATE FOR AN, AN UPDATE TO, OR ESSENTIALLY THE SAME STUDY TO LOOK AT PUBLIC FACIL, PUBLIC ASSEMBLY FACILITIES ON THIS SITE, WHETHER IT WOULD YIELD CONVENTION CENTER AGAIN, OR IT WOULD BE ONE OF THOSE OTHER FIVE OR SIX, UH, PUBLIC ASSEMBLY FACILITIES. AND OPTION D IS FOR COUNCIL, DECIDE IF WE WANNA GO AFTER A FACILITY SPECIFIC STUDY. AND THAT STUDY COULD BE, IF YOU GUYS AGREE ON IT BEING AN ARENA, AN AUDITORIUM, A CONVENTION CENTER, A CONCERT OR MUSIC HALL. UM, SO AGAIN, WE ARE, WE'VE GOT A FACILITIES CONDITION ASSESSMENT THAT WILL BE AWARDED TO A VENDOR IN DECEMBER. AND IF COUNCIL DE DESIRES, WE COULD PRIORITIZE THE MELBOURNE AUDITORIUM TO BE THE ONE THAT WE LOOK AT FIRST, JUST BECAUSE WE KNOW WE'VE GOT SOME OTHER STEPS COMING. UM, BUT THAT'S UP TO COUNCIL'S DISCRETION. OKAY. AND UM, SO I'M GONNA PIGGYBACK OFF OF A STATEMENT THAT YOU MADE PRIOR IN THERE, WHICH IS YOU TEND TO HAVE, YOU MAY HAVE A PERSONAL RECOMMENDATION ON THIS WHEN I'M LOOKING AT IT. OPTION B, AND I THINK YOU'D MENTIONED THIS LOOKS LIKE PHASE FOUR. SO IT'S JUST THE NEXT STEP IN WHAT THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS WERE FROM 2007. UH, IT, IT SEEMS LIKE CONVENTION CENTER WAS THE OBVIOUS CHOICE BASED ON THAT OH SEVEN STUDY, UM, IN THAT PIECE. WOULD THAT IS OPTION B WHAT YOU WOULD RECOMMEND OR WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT? WAS ACTUALLY WOULD'VE BEEN MY RECOMMENDATION. OKAY. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE DOING AN ASSESSMENT OF WE WOULD BE DOING A A AN ASSESSMENT OF THE FACILITY. SO THAT IS SOMETHING, A STEP THAT'S ALREADY ON THE WAY. UM, OPTION C, YOU'RE LOOKING AT DOING THE SAME STUDY, MORE THAN LIKELY IT'S GONNA YIELD THE SAME THING. I DON'T KNOW THAT A WHOLE LOT HAS CHANGED. WE RECENTLY HAD THIS DISCUSSION IN PALM BAY. UH, WE KNOW THAT CONVENTION CENTERS ARE KIND OF WHERE, UH, THOSE FACILITIES ARE, ARE TRENDING AND OPTION DI [02:45:01] MEAN REALLY THAT'S UP TO COUNCIL. YEP. NOPE, THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME. AND HONESTLY, IT SEEMS LIKE, UM, UH, I DUNNO, IT, IT SEEMS LIKE, LIKE AN EASY CHOICE ON MY END BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY USING IT AS A CONVENTION TYPE CENTER DESPITE IT BEING AN AUDITORIUM. BUT LET'S BRING IT OVER TO COUNCIL. ANY THOUGHTS? QUESTIONS? YES, MA'AM. OKAY. I LIKE IT. I THINK WE SHOULD, SHOULD HOLD OFF AND SEE WHAT THE, UM, WHAT THEY CALL IT, THE ASSESSMENT, THE RFQ. NOW BACK, I DON'T PROBABLY MR. LARUSSA REMEMBERS AT THE AIRPORT, AT THE AIRPORT THERE A KITTY CORNER FROM WHERE THE POLICE STATION IS NOW. THAT WAS THE, UM, PART OF TRAILER HAVEN. THAT WAS THE AIRSTREAM PARK THAT, UM, THEY HA OH, WE'RE GONNA GET, WE WE DID AWAY WITH THAT BECAUSE WE WERE GONNA PUT A CONVENTION CENTER THERE BACK YEARS AGO. THEY GOT RID OF EVERYTHING. THEY'VE GOT ALL RID OF ALL THE, THE MONEY THAT THEY WERE EARNING. THEY DUG UP THE ROADS AND IT'S SITTING THERE THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW. AND IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A CONVENTION CENTER THERE MANY, AND IT'S JUST BEEN SITTING THERE FOR 20, 25 YEARS. AM I RIGHT JENNY? ABOUT 20, 20, 25 YEARS. YEAH, APPROXIMATELY. SO, YOU KNOW, I'M LIKE, WHY HAVEN'T WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, SO WE'VE GOTTA THINK THAT WAS, I MEAN, IT WAS A MAJOR PUSH TO GET THAT CONVENTION CENTER PUT THERE. SO I, I JUST WANT TO GO BACK INTO SOME HISTORY AND IT'S BEEN SITTING DORMANT FOR YEARS. YOU KNOW, WE WERE GONNA HAVE ALL THESE PEOPLE FLY IN AND WE WERE GONNA GET ALL THESE CON YOU KNOW, WE WERE GOING TO GET, GET THOSE PEOPLE FROM ORLANDO TO COME IN AND WE GOT THE AIRPORT AND WE HAVE THIS AND IT'S SITTING LIKE THERE LIKE THAT. NOW DO I THINK THAT THE AIR THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED? OF COURSE I DO. AND, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE BEFORE WE MAKE A DECISION ABOUT GOING ON, LET'S SEE WHAT THE, LET ME GET THE RFQ SAYS WHAT THE BUILDING IS BEFORE WE GO AND SAY, YES, WE'RE GONNA GO IN THIS DIRECTION. IT MIGHT BE SO BAD THAT WE GOTTA SAY WE NEED A WHOLE NEW FACILITY RATHER THAN TO ADD ONTO THE FACILITY. AND WE'VE GOTTA LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, LET'S SEE WHERE THAT IS. THAT'S, I MIGHT BE A LITTLE, UH, CONSERVATIVE IN MY ATTITUDE LIKE THAT, BUT I LIKE TO SEE WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT BEFORE WE MAKE MAJOR DECISIONS GOING FORWARD. THE CONDITION, I'M SORRY, VICE YEAH, SURE. THE CONDITION OF THE AUDITORIUM IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. THE OVERALL CONDITION OF, UM, STRUCTURALLY YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR ON WHAT YEAH. 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE DOES IT NEED TO BE REWIRED AND UPDATED INTO THOSE THINGS? I'M, I'M GONNA SAY YES IT DOES. WE ALL KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN MANY YEARS SINCE ANYTHING'S BEEN DONE TO IT, BUT SHOULD WE SINK THE MONEY INTO IT OR SHOULD WE GET A NEW FACILITY? THAT'S WHERE WE NEED TO KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT, WHETHER IT'S WORTH OR WHILE TO PUT MONEY INTO THAT BUILDING OR START ALL OVER AGAIN. BUT DIDN'T THE STUDY, THERE'S A THIRD OPTION. WHAT'S THE THIRD OPTION? WE CAN SELL IT. NO. NO, WE NEED, WE, BUT, YOU KNOW, WELL, IT'S AN OPTION. HUH? IT'S AN OPTION. YES. BUT YOU KNOW, I LIKE TO SEE WHERE IT'S, WHERE IT IS IN THE, YOU KNOW, IS BECAUSE SOMETIMES YOU MIGHT SAY, OH, IT LOOKS BAD, IT LOOKS REALLY BAD, BUT YOU GET IN THERE GOING, IT'S LIKE SOMETIMES JENNY'S ROADS, YOU'RE THINKING PARKWAY OR PARKWAY WAS LIKE, OH, THAT WAS GONNA BE WORSE AND IT WASN'T AS BAD AS THEY THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE. LIKE THOSE GOOD BONES. YEAH. SO LET'S SEE WHAT WE HAVE THERE. I'M NOT SAYING THAT THESE ARE NOT OFF THE TABLE BY ANY MEANS, NOTHING'S OFF THE TABLE, BUT I'M SAYING LET'S SEE WHERE THAT IS, STEP ONE AND THEN GO FROM THERE. AND, AND I'M UNDER THE IMPRESSION, JOAN, ISN'T THE, WASN'T THERE SOME CONDITION PORTION OF THIS STUDY? AND WE DID BEFORE THAT THE CONDITION'S IN PRETTY ROUGH SHAPE IN 2007, RIGHT? CAN YOU SPEAK TO ANY OF THAT? IT WAS STATED THAT IT WAS FUNCTIONALLY, FUNCTIONALLY OBSOLETE AND AT CAPACITY 2007 SAID THAT YES. YES. WHAT YEAR IS THIS ? THIS IS 18 YEARS AGO. YEAH. AND, AND SO I JUST, WHAT THE STUDY REFERENCE IS 20 AND 23, 22 YEARS AGO. AND THAT WAS EVEN JUST LOOKING AT IT AS AN AUDITORIUM FOR WHAT IT CURRENTLY IS TODAY. SO IN ITS CURRENT USE AS AN AUDITORIUM FUNCTIONALLY OBSOLETE AND AT CAPACITY. RIGHT. AND YEAH, IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM LIKE WE'RE GETTING THE BEST USE FOR IT. AND IT SEEMS LIKE WE JUST ALMOST NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WOULD BE MY, MY THOUGHTS ON IT. BUT DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? UH, I KNOW STAFF'S LOOKING FOR DIRECTION OR ARE YOU GUYS TURNING INTO A BASEBALL PARK? BASEBALL, MR. SMITH? YEAH. UM, I, COME ON, PUSH ON . UM, I HAVE A QUESTION. SO OPTION B, HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OPTION B AND OPTION D. LET'S SAY THAT IF YOU WERE LOOKING AT A, A CONVENTION CENTER, HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? OPTION B AND [02:50:01] OPTION D. D, YES. SO B IS LOOKING AT FINANCIAL ESTIMATES FOR THE CONSTRUCTABILITY OF PHASE ONE, WHICH WAS THE, THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT CAME OUT OF PHASE ONE. UH, OPTION D IS LOOKING IS IS IF COUNCIL SAYS WE WANNA TARGET A, WE WANNA LOOK AT THE MARKET FOR A VERY SPECIFIC TYPE OF FACILITY, WHETHER THAT'S A CONVENTION CENTER OR CONCERT HALL. SO IT'S, IT REALLY IS ONE IS LOOKING AT CONSTRUCTING THE CONSTRUCTABILITY OF A CONVENTION CENTER AND THE OTHER ONE WOULD LOOK AT THE MARKET AND FACILITY SPECIFIC STUDY FOR A TYPE OF FACILITY. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? MM-HMM . OKAY. SO, UM, SURE. SO, UM, MY, IN MY OPINION, UM, THANK FIRST OFF, THANK YOU FOR, FOR PROVIDING US THAT SUMMARY. THAT WAS, THAT WAS REALLY GOOD. UM, AND THIS WAS IN 2007. AND FOR THE VERBIAGE TO SAY THAT IT WAS FUNCTIONALLY, YOU KNOW, OBSOLETE AT THAT TIME. AND THEN WE, WE KNOW WE ARE NOW. AND, UM, MY TIME BEING ON THE COUNCIL BEEN GOING VISITING SEVERAL DIFFERENT CITIES AND HEARD SEVERAL DIFFERENT PRESENTATIONS. I KNOW THAT THE CITY OF COCOA BEACH IS BUILDING A WESTERN THAT'S GONNA BE A, A, I THINK A 40 50,000, UH, 50,000 SQUARE FOOT, UH, CONVENTION CENTER. THAT'S A DRIFTWOOD ON THE BEACH. THAT'S DRIFTWOOD ON THE BEACH. UM, AND, AND THERE'S SEVERAL KEY THINGS, UH, THAT I THINK THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, UH, SORT OF HATCH STRATEGICALLY. AND I, I DON'T THINK THAT WE HAVE A, I WOULD SAY THAT IT IS BEST FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE WE GONNA MOVE FORWARD ON A CONVENTION CENTER? YEAH. THE RECOMMENDATION, IT SEEMED LIKE STAFF WAS SAYING CONVENTION CENTER MAKES THE MOST SENSE. YEAH. SO I'M, I'M MOSTLY JUST RELYING ON HER RECOMMENDATION. I THINK SHE'S DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH ON IT. YEAH. YEAH. I MEAN, IT, IT PRETTY MUCH SAID THAT IN THE, FROM 2007 REPORT. UM, BUT THE SIZE OF IT, I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE DECIDED AND, AND CONSIDERED FROM A, A STUDY. BUT, BUT I JUST THINK THAT WITH, WITH ALL THE THINGS THAT'S COMING ON, BECAUSE THAT REPORT THAT YOU SHOWED TALKED ABOUT THINGS THAT AS WE KNOW ARE HAPPENING IN THE MARKET RIGHT NOW, THAT WAS NOT EVEN BEING CONSIDERED AT THAT TIME. I MEAN, FROM THE CHAMBERS AND THE DIFFERENT SPACE EVENTS THAT HAVE HAPPENING TO VERTEX, I'M NOT GONNA NAME A HOST OF NUMBER OF THINGS THAT, THAT ARE, THAT I'M AWARE OF, THAT WE ALL ARE PROBABLY AWARE OF THAT ARE HAPPENING, THAT WE NEED TO, THAT WE, THAT THIS AREA IS ON THE PRECIPICE OF, OF BEING, OF HAPPENING THAT THE CITY OF MELBOURNE AND A, A CONVENTION CENTER THAT WE COULD BENEFIT FROM HOTELS THAT WERE NOT LISTED IN 2007 THAT ARE HERE RIGHT NOW FOR THIS AREA. SO, UM, I THINK THAT, UM, MOVING FORWARD TO CAPITALIZE ON THAT, IT, IT WILL BEHOOVE US TO, TO, TO LEAD THE WAY IN THAT WAY, IN THAT SCENARIO. SO CONVENTION CENTER TO ME IS, IS THE THING, THE SIZE, THE FUNCTIONALITY, ALL THOSE THINGS. AND I'LL TELL YOU THIS, THE LAST BUILDING, UH, ONE OF THE LAST BUILDINGS THAT I WAS INVOLVED PART OF WHEN I LEFT THE AIR FORCE OVER AT PATRICK AIR FORCE BASE, IT WAS A, A RESCUE OPERATIONS BUILDING. AND MY SENIOR NCO AT THE TIME, HE, HE'S, HE HAD ALL THESE FAR, UH, THINKING IDEAS. AND I HAD BEEN INVOLVED IN THREE LARGE FACILITIES. THIS WAS A $26 MILLION BUILDING THAT WAS BUILT OVER HERE FOR RESCUE OPERATIONS. HE WAS LIKE, HEY, LET'S MAKE SURE THAT THE WALLS IMMOVABLE JUST IN CASE YOU HAVE TO REALLY PACK OUT. AND SO WE REALLY PUT A LOT OF FUTURE THOUGHT INTO A BUILDING LIKE THAT. AND SO, UH, HERE WE ARE AGAIN TO, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT COULD BE VERY, UH, INNOVATIVE. UH, YOU KNOW, AND THAT WOULD BE ATTRACTIVE TO A LOT OF PEOPLE. AND I, AND HE HAD, HE SAID SOMETHING EARLIER IN OUR MEETING ABOUT THE AIRPORT AND WHAT IT'S GONNA DO. SO HERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAVE AS A CITY OF MELBOURNE BEFORE ANY OF THE OTHER CITIES IN BREVARD COUNTY. WE ALREADY HAVE AN AREA I THINK WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD AND, AND, AND BE OUT IN FRONT OF IT. SO, MR. LARISSA, UH, I, I THINK YOU'RE ALL CORRECT. I THINK EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU, UH, THIS IS LIKE DEJA VU, UH, FROM 2007. UM, BUT TRULY WHAT I THINK IS LACKING AT THIS MOMENT IS, UH, REACHING OUT TO, UH, FOR PARTNERSHIPS LIKE PRIVATE PUBLIC MM-HMM . UH, WHAT, WHAT IS THE, WHAT DOES THE AIRPORT HAVE TO SAY ABOUT IT? MAYBE THEY, THEY MAY WANT TO CONTRIBUTE PERHAPS ONE OF THE HOTELS, PERHAPS, UH, SOME OTHER, UM, LARGER ENTITIES WITHIN OUR, OUR CITY RATHER THAN TO TAKE THIS ON AND SHOULDER THE WHOLE BURDEN ON OUR, ON OURSELVES. I AGREE. UM, I, I, YOU KNOW, AND THE TAXPAYERS, I, THERE'S NO GUARANTEE WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IS GONNA HAPPEN. UM, WE'RE GOING ON 18-YEAR-OLD NUMBERS RIGHT NOW. UH, 20-YEAR-OLD NUMBERS DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN IT CHANGES THAT MUCH, BUT, BUT THAT'S A LONG TIME. UM, I DIDN'T HAVE A GRAY HAIR THEN, SO, UM, I HAD HAIR DO. YEAH. WELL SEE. , WE HAVE A LOT OF COMP COMPARE, UH, IN, IN, IN, UH, IN COMPARISON. UM, I JUST THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE, UH, TRULY LOOKING OUT, UM, FOR OTHER PEOPLE WHO WANT, WHO HAVE OTHER IDEAS ABOUT THIS PLACE, WHO WANT TO PARTNER WITH US AND SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE BEFORE WE JUST JUMP IN WITH THE 75,000. THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. I MEAN, THERE'S [02:55:01] SIX OTHERS UP HERE. UM, BUT TAKING ON THIS BURDEN FINANCIALLY, IS IT, IT, IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. AND TO ME, I MEAN, WHERE DO WE GET THE MONEY FROM? WE'RE GONNA BOND EVERYTHING OUT. WE, IT IS NOT IN A CRA, WE DON'T HAVE MONEY THERE. WE DON'T, I MEAN, WE CAN GO KNOCK ON THE LEGISLATOR DOORS, BUT THEY'RE TELLING US THEY'RE GONNA TAKE AWAY OUR PROPERTY TAX. SO ALL THESE DIFFERENT MOVING PARTS THAT REALLY IN, IN THE, IN THE CONCEPT OF, OF A MARKETING OF A PLACE LIKE THIS, UM, NEEDS GREATER THOUGHT AND GREATER, GREATER EDUCATED PEOPLE, NO OFFENSE THAN US THAT KNOW THESE MARKETS AND KNOW HOW TO, HOW TO TURN THEM OVER. SURE. AND, AND MY, SO AND MY QUESTION FOR YOU, MR. LARUSSO, SO LET'S SAY THAT YOU AND I WERE GONNA GO DO, GO INTO BUSINESS TOGETHER, YOU WOULD THEN SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT THIS IDEA. I REALLY WANNA BUILD THIS BUILDING. YOU WOULD SAY, DO YOU HAVE A BUSINESS PLAN? MM-HMM. MR. NEWMAN, DO YOU HAVE A BUSINESS PLAN? I OPTION B GIVES US A BUSINESS PLAN. 'CAUSE IT'S GONNA TELL ME HOW MUCH IT'S GONNA COST. WHAT ARE THE FINANCIAL ESTIMATES TO DO IT? AND ALL OF THE KEY PIECES YOU NEED TO APPROACH THE AIRPORT APPROACH INVESTORS AND APPROACH EVERYBODY. SO I THINK B GIVES US THAT BUSINESS PLAN THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK WE COULD DO IT WITHOUT IT. AND IS B THE BUSINESS PLAN FROM 18 YEARS AGO? NO, NO. IT'S NEW ONE. NO, IT'S NEW ONE. THAT'S THAT BE TODAY. OKAY. IT WOULD BE A NEW B WOULD GIVE US THE BUSINESS AND THAT'S THE 75,000 WE WOULD SPEND TO, TO THE START FEASIBILITY STUDY. RIGHT. OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE OF WHAT IT COSTS THE FINANCIAL ESTIMATES TO, TO BUILD SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WHAT THAT WOULD BE. OR AM I HEARING IT DIFFERENTLY? AND IS IT, IS IT THE UH, 75,000 TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IT'S GONNA COST US TO RE TO REFURBISH THIS? NO, NOT, NO, JUST FADE IT. SO OPTION B IS EXACTLY WHAT VICE MAYOR IS SAYING. IT IS LOOKING AT THE FINANCIAL STATE, UH, FINANCIAL, UM, ESTIMATES AND CONSTRUCTION COSTS TO IMPLEMENT PHASE ONE, WHICH WAS THE RECOMMENDATION SLIDE OF THE MINIMUM 40,000 SQUARE FEET AND, YOU KNOW, CONTIGUOUS 20 TO 25,000 SQUARE FEET. YOU KNOW, THOSE MINIMUM PARAMETERS. BUT IT COULD POTENTIALLY ALSO INCORPORATE SOME OF THE THINGS HE'S TAUGHT. 'CAUSE IT'S THE START. YES. IT'S THE INITIALIZATION OF THAT. YEAH. SO I CAN INCORPORATE WHAT YOU'RE, I I, AGAIN, I'M SPIT BALLING, YOU KNOW, I MEAN IT TRULY, I I I I'M NOT A PROFESSIONAL AT THIS. UM, I JUST KNOW WHAT I KNOW. UH, BEING LIVING IN THE CITY FOR 32 YEARS AND HAVING GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS ONE AT A TIME. YOU'VE GONE THROUGH IT AS WELL TOO, JENNY. UM, SO, UH, I, I, I GO TO THE WISDOM OF THE COUNCIL. THE WISDOM OF THE COUNCIL IN 2007 DIDN'T WORK OUT. LET'S GO WITH YOU GUYS. CAN I, RIGHT. CAN I SAY SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WHEN TALKING ABOUT, 'CAUSE I'M ON THAT THE FINANCE THING AND THERE WAS EIGHT DIFFERENT BILLS ABOUT DOING AWAY WITH OUR PROPERTY TAXES. AND LIKE MR. LARUSSO SAYS, HOW ARE WE GONNA PAY FOR THIS? I DON'T, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT IS WHERE, IN THE LEGISLATIVE SITUATION RIGHT NOW, IS IF WE BOND IT, IF WE DO IT, HOW ARE WE GONNA PAY FOR THINGS? YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN TODAY OR TOMORROW. WITHIN THE THREE, LET'S SAY THREE YEARS, THEY'RE TALKING, YOU KNOW, DO WE WANNA PUT US, HOW ARE WE GONNA, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS OF, LET'S SAY WE PUT IT INTO BOND AND THEY TAKE AWAY THE PROPERTY TAXES. HOW ARE WE GONNA PAY FOR THAT? NOW THIS, THAT'S A, THAT'S A BIG SITUATION HERE. SO, IN OPTION B, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS HAS A HIGHLIGHTER LIKE SOME OF THE OTHER ONES. NO, IT DOESN'T. UM, COMMISSION FINANCIAL ESTIMATES AND CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND FACILITY OPERATIONS, AND I SHOULD SAY, AND IDENTIFY POTENTIAL FUNDING SOURCES. RIGHT? SO IT WOULD INCLUDE LOOKING AT WHAT OTHER SOURCES COULD BE IDENTIFIED. TOURISM DEVELOPMENT, UM, COUNCIL, PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS, REC IMPACT FEES. MM-HMM . UM, WHATEVER THOSE OPTIONS WOULD GET THAT. I MEAN, BEFORE WE'D SAY IF IT WAS A YEAR AGO, WE WOULDN'T HAVE, WE WOULD GO IN ONE DIRECTION, BUT NOW WITH THE SALES TECH, WITH THE PROPERTY TAXES DOING AWAY WITH SOME OF THE PROP, HOW SOME OF THEM WANT TO DO IT. IT'S A SCARY, OPPOSITION, SCARY THING FOR ME TO SAY, OH, THIS IS, WE'VE GOT THE MONEY. WE CAN, YOU KNOW, RAISE IT OVER HERE, PUT THIS OVER A TIME PERIOD TO PAY FOR IT. IT'S, THERE'S ALSO ANOTHER OPTION AS WELL, TOO. WE CAN LEASE THE LAND. WE CAN FIND A, THE DEVELOPER WHO WANTS THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY, BUILDS HIS OWN THING ON THERE, LEASE THE LAND AND GET A, GET A PERCENTAGE OF WHAT HE BUILDS. OR SHE, OR THEY, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, SO RATHER THAN, UH, UNDERTAKE THE ENTIRE PROCESS ON OUR OWN SHOULDERS, UM, LET, LET A PROFESSIONAL DO IT THAT WE'RE NOT, OR IS IT ADAM? UH, JUST, UM, THERE MAY BE SOME ADDITIONAL TITLE RESEARCH THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE THAT THE HISTORY OF, OF THIS SITE. AND, AND BASICALLY AS A COMPONENT OF IT, IT'S A LITTLE, IT'S, IT'S INTERESTING 'CAUSE IT'S SOMEWHAT SEPARATED FROM WHAT GOT PLATTED AS WELLS PARK, YOU KNOW, FOR THE AREA A LITTLE BIT FURTHER WEST. BUT THE AUDITORIUM SITE IS FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, RIGHT. WE'VE INCORPORATED AS PART OF WELLS PARK, SO AS, AS PARK PROPERTY THERE, WE MAY HAVE TO LOOK A LITTLE BIT CLOSER AT WHAT, YOU KNOW, A, A PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITY [03:00:01] LOOKS LIKE FOR, FOR THE SITE. THAT, THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP MAY NOT, MAY NOT BE AN OPTION HERE. RIGHT. I JUST, I LET'S, BEFORE WE, BEFORE WE JUMP HEAD FIRST INTO A, LET'S SELL IT, LET'S LEASE IT, LET'S, LET'S TURN IT OVER COMPLETELY TO, TO PRIVATE INTEREST. WE, WE MAY HAVE TO LOOK AT, AT THAT, THE TITLE HISTORY AND, AND HOW WE CAME TO, TO OWN THE SITE AND, AND IT, AND POTENTIAL USE RESTRICTIONS ON IT. JENNY, THERE ARE SOME USE RESTRICTIONS. I DON'T KNOW THEM EXACTLY OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT THERE IS A RESTRICTION THAT IT HAS TO BE USED FOR A PUBLIC PURPOSE. MM-HMM . WE WOULD HAVE TO GET THAT EXACT LANGUAGE TO YOU. SURE. RIGHT. NOPE, NO, I APPRECIATE THAT. AND YEAH, LIKE I SAID, I JUST THINK IT'S, WE'VE APPROPRIATED $75,000. IT'S NOT A MAJOR PART OF THE BUDGET, BUT IT COULD GIVE US THE TOOLS AND INFORMATION THAT WE NEED JUST TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION OR NOT. YEAH. SO, AND MAY AGAIN, SEE IF THOSE ARE AVAILABLE, THOSE OPTIONS. SO WHAT, SO THIS IS WHAT A DISCUSSION COMES CONSENSUS. WE JUST NEED A CONSENSUS. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, JENNY? WE ARE LOOKING FOR DIRECTION AND JUST ON WHICH PATH TO HEAD. WE, I MEAN WE HAVE THE, THE $75,000 FOR THE STUDY. WE DIDN'T WANNA HEAD INTO ONE DIRECTION. UM, AS WE REPORTED, I THINK AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, WE WENT OUT TO, UM, TO COMMISSION THE STUDY AND THEY STARTED ASKING SPECIFICS. AND THAT'S WHEN WE REALIZED WE WEREN'T SURE EXACTLY WHAT DIRECTION WE WERE HEADED. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, THAT COUNCIL CONSENSUS ON WHICH DIRECTION TO HEAD. DO YOU AGREE WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THE, UM, THE, THE CONVENTION SURE. TYPE SPACE? SURE. YEAH. MR. SMITH, I THINK, DID I GET THAT RIGHT, JONES? YES. OKAY. SO, SO MY, SO I HAD A MEETING AT THE CON AT THE AUDITORIUM, AND, UH, IT IS IN BAD DISREPAIR. SO SORT OF THE, SOME OF THE THOUGHTS OF THAT WAS THAT BUILDING WOULD BE COMPLETELY TORN DOWN. A NEW BUILDING WOULD PROBABLY BE BUILT IN THE SPACE. AND I KNOW THERE'S SOME CONSIDERATIONS. THERE'S A BIG LOT THAT'S ALREADY THERE. YOU GOT, UH, WELLS PARK AND MAYBE THAT WHOLE ENTIRE AREA COULD BECOME PART OF A, A ECOSYSTEM FOR, FOR TOURISM AND EVENTS WITH THE, WITH THE BRICKS AND ALL THOSE THINGS THAT WERE PUT THERE. AND YOU HAVE THE LIBERTY MUSEUM. SO IF YOU KIND OF VISUALIZE THAT ENTIRE AREA, THAT CAN NOW FUNCTION AS A PLACE TO ATTRACT EVENTS AND TOURISMS. UM, THAT, SO I, I, I JUST PUT THAT OUT THERE AS WE'RE KIND OF HAVING THIS CONSIDERATION AS SOMETHING TO TO THINK ABOUT. SO, UM, WELL JUST TO CALL IT MA'AM. YEP. YEP. LET'S GO. IT. UM, I THINK, WELL, FIRST, I THINK OPTION B WOULD SOLVE EVERYBODY'S CONCERNS. UM, EVERYBODY'S CONCERNS. UH, SO PROBABLY THE MOST BENEFICIAL. BUT, UH, DO WE, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU MENTIONED WAS THAT, UM, THE PARKING IS NOT FEASIBLE FOR MOST OF THIS STUFF'S. AM I GETTING THAT WRONG? BUILD A PARKING DECK. SO THE ONE, IT, IT WANTED TO, THE RECOMMENDATIONS INCLUDED TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE ADEQUATE PARKING FOR PHASE ONE AND FOR POTENTIAL FUTURE PHASES. UM, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE CURRENT PARKING, I GUESS I'M ASSUMING THAT'S SURFACE LOT PARKING. MM-HMM . IS NOT ADEQUATE. SO DO WE HAVE ROOM FOR TO PUT BETTER PARKING ? 'CAUSE I, I GO TO A LOT OF THE FUNCTIONS THERE AND I CAN ATTEST THAT PARKING IS AN ISSUE THAT, THAT WOULD BE LOOKED AT. AND, AND, AND LIKE, I BELIEVE I HEARD MENTIONED WAS, YOU KNOW, WOULD WE NEED TO BUILD A PARKING DECK OR A PARKING GARAGE? OKAY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO COMFORTABLE. YOU'RE CURRENT BUILDING. I'M COMFORTABLE WITH B. OKAY. GOT ONE. TWO, THREE. B, B MS. KENNEDY, WE GOT FOUR FOR B. MR. LARUSSO, MS. HANLEY. YEAH, I'LL GO WITH YOU. I'LL GO WITH B. THERE'S, IT'S, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT PUTTING OURSELVES INTO A, A, THIS IS THE END ALL, BE ALL JUST OURSELVES. OKAY. DO YOU GOT WHAT YOU FOR CONVENTION CENTER, DO YOU GOT WHAT YOU NEED, JENNY? YES, WE DO. AND IF IT FALLS WITHIN THE $75,000, THAT'S WITHIN OUR, MY ADMINISTRATIVE THRESHOLD. I WILL REPORT BACK TO COUNSEL, THOUGH AS WE PROCEED. IF IT ENDS UP A LITTLE OVER, WE'LL OBVIOUSLY BE COMING BACK TO SEE IF YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT AND GET COUNCIL APPROVAL. SOUNDS GOOD. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. DO YOU KNOW THE PLACE THAT, THAT YOU MAY REMEMBER, UH, THAT, THAT LOCATION USED TO BE AAA BASEBALL, UM, PRACTICE? I THINK IT WAS TWINS OR I MEAN, LOCATION DISLOCATION. YEAH. REALLY? NO, IT WAS THE AIRPORT. IT WAS MORE AT THE AIRPORT WHERE THE HILL, NO, RIGHT ON THAT. RIGHT, RIGHT THERE. RIGHT BEHIND THE, THE AUDITORIUM ITSELF. THERE WAS BASEBALL FIELD BACK THERE AND THERE WAS A TRAINING FACILITY. WAS IT WAS IT WAS AAA KNEW ABOUT THE NATIONALS IN, THAT'S GOTTA BE WAY BEFORE NO, THAT WAS WAY, WAY, YEAH. WAY BEFORE VIRA EVEN BECAME MAYOR. MOVING ON ITEM NUMBER 20, I BELIEVE. IS IT MR. SMITH THAT'S REPORTING? UH, YES. THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR. UH, EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE A BLUE MEMO. UM, AND I, AND I, I KNOW WE WE'RE KIND OF GOING ALONG A LITTLE LONGER TIME, SO I'LL JUST, UH, HIT THE HIGHLIGHTS AND, UH, AND THEN KINDA OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION. PUT MY GLASSES [03:05:01] ON HERE. SO THIS WAS SOMETHING I, I TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, IS EVERYONE HAVE THE, THE BLUE MEMO IN FRONT OF 'EM. SO I, I, I, I HAVE A HIGHLIGHT TALKED ABOUT. AND WHAT THIS IS REALLY ABOUT IS LOOKING AT A SMALL BUSINESS AND DEVELOPMENT, SMALL AND DEVELOPING BUSINESS PROGRAM. I'VE DONE A LITTLE RESEARCH AND I, AND I, AGAIN, I WANT TO OPEN IT UP AND REALLY HAVE SOME DISCUSSION, BUT THIS IS ABOUT SUPPORTING BUSINESS, GROWING MELBOURNE, BUILDING CAPACITY AND CREATING OPPORTUNITY. A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ABOUT MYSELF. UM, I, AT ONE POINT, I WAS THE PROGRAM DIRECTOR FOR THE SMALL BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT CENTER, SBDC. MM-HMM . UP AT THE COCOA CAMPUS, WHICH IS THE SISTER ORGANIZATION TO WE VENTURE AND ALSO TO, UH, TO, UH, TO SCORE. UH, AND WHAT WE WERE REALLY ABOUT WAS HELPING INDIVIDUALS TO START THEIR BUSINESS, SCALE THEIR BUSINESS, AND THEN ALSO MENTOR THEM. UM, SO THAT WAY IF THEY HAD ANY CHALLENGES AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS. AND WE HAD DATABASES AND THINGS WHERE WE LIKE AN INCUBATOR. IT WASN'T A, IT WAS, IT WASN'T AN INCUBATOR. 'CAUSE INCUBATORS WHERE THE BUSINESS COME TOGETHER AND THEY'RE THERE AND THEY'RE, AND THEY'RE INCUBATING FOR GROWTH. SO THIS WAS MORE OF, WE WERE MENTORS AND COUNSELORS TO THEM, AND THEN THEY WOULD GO OFF AND, YOU KNOW, AND GROW THEIR BUSINESS. UM, AND THAT, THAT OFFICE IS STILL THERE. SBDC IS STILL UP AT THE COCOA CAMPUS. IT'S PART OF EASTERN FLORIDA STATE COLLEGE UNDERNEATH UCF. UM, SO, SO WHAT THIS PROGRAM IS REALLY ABOUT, UM, AND I, AND I'VE LOOKED AT ALL THE OTHER CITIES THROUGHOUT BREVARD COUNTY, AND I LOOKED TO SEE WHAT KIND OF PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY. THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, WHAT WE HAVE UNDERNEATH OUR CRA, THE DOWNTOWN CRA IS A FACADE PROGRAM. MM-HMM . WHICH IS REALLY A REIMBURSABLE TYPE GRANT PROGRAM. WELL, LET ME SAY, NOT REALLY REIMBURSABLE, BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE MONEY UP FRONT. IT'S A MATCHING GRANT PROGRAM. MM-HMM . AND, AND THEN IT'S REALLY ONLY FOR YOUR OUTSIDE FACADE. SO WHAT THIS IS A, A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, MORE PROACTIVE LOOK AT AN INCENTIVE PROGRAM. UH, THE CITY OF COCOA IS REALLY THE ONLY OTHER, UH, CITY IN BREVARD COUNTY WHERE THEY HAVE SORT OF A FORGIVABLE, I'M LOOKING AT THE, THEIR, ON THEIR WEBSITE, THEY HAVE A FORGIVABLE LOAN PROGRAM WHERE THEY GET UP TO $10,000 AND IT'S A CITYWIDE. AND THEN IF YOU PUT A BUSINESS WITHIN THEIR, THEIR CRA PROGRAM, WHICH IS CALLED DIAMOND SQUARE, YOU GET UP TO $15,000. AND THEN I WAS ON A PANEL WITH SOME OF THEIR, TWO OF THEIR CITY COUNCILMEN ON LAST SUNDAY FOR, UH, A PROGRAM WITH, UH, AND NOW THEY'RE GONNA INCREASE THAT AMOUNT THAT YOU GET UP TO $17,000 IF YOU'RE IN A DIAMOND SQUARE CRA. WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE A PROGRAM LIKE THAT. AND, AND THAT CITY OF COCOA IS WORKING WITH WE VENTURE AND THEIR IGNITE 360 PROGRAM. AND WHAT HAPPENS IS SOME OF THE FUNDING THAT YOU GET, YOU, YOU ARE ENCOURAGED, I DON'T KNOW. AND, UH, AND CAPTAIN RUDLOFF IS HERE. SHE'S GONNA MAYBE COME UP WITH A LITTLE BIT, WE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR HER TO ASK HER. YOU USE A PORTION OF THAT MONEY TO JOIN THE IGNITE 360 PROGRAM, AND YOU GET THE MENTORSHIP EMBEDDED. 'CAUSE A PART OF HAVING A SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS IS NOT JUST STARTING A BUSINESS, BUT SOMETIMES YOU NEED MENTORSHIP AND YOU NEED TO LEARN FROM EITHER OTHER CEOS OR OTHER BUSINESSES THAT ARE IN A SIMILAR, UH, VEIN AS YOU U UM, NOW, WITHOUT GOING THROUGH ALL THE DETAILS THAT I HAVE HERE, UM, PROGRAM OBJECTIVES IS TO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, SUPPORT SMALL BUSINESS, BUT IT'S TO CREATE WHERE THE CITY OF MELBOURNE IS OFFERING SORT OF A SHARK TANK STYLE, UH, PROGRAM WHERE BUSINESSES ARE, UM, ABLE TO SAY, HEY, THERE, THERE'S SOME INCENTIVE GRANT MONEY OUT THAT'S AVAILABLE. UH, WE WOULD, THE ELIGIBILITY WOULD BE FOR NOT JUST, IT WOULD BE FOR SMALL BUSINESSES, BUT ALSO NON-PROFITS, BUT NOT NONPROFITS THAT ARE JUST SEEKING THE CDBG GRANT PROGRAMS, BUT NONPROFITS THAT MAY HAVE A REVENUE GENERATING BUSINESS MODEL WHERE THEY, THEY OFFER A FEE FOR SERVICE OR THEY HAVE SOME KIND OF EARNED INCOME PROGRAM. AND SO THAT'S ALSO A WAY OF HELPING THEM TO BECOME MORE SELF-SUFFICIENT. AND WHAT, WHAT I, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO HOPE FROM TONIGHT FROM OUR DISCUSSION IS WE WOULD SAY GIVE THE STAFF GREEN LIGHT TO GO AND, AND DO RESEARCH AND MAYBE LOOK, DO A COMPARISON TO THE OTHER PROGRAMS THROUGHOUT EITHER BREVARD COUNTY OR THE STATE OF FLORIDA. AND, AND THEN REALLY HAVE A, A PROGRAM TO SAY IN BLACK AND WHITE, HERE'S SOME THINGS THAT WE REALLY COULD DO TO INCENTIVIZE TO SAY, MELBOURNE IS OPEN FOR BUSINESS AND WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE MORE BUSINESS TO OPEN UP HERE. AND WE HAVE THIS GRANT PROGRAM. SO HOPEFULLY I'M MAKING SENSE, BUT I STAND BY, UH, FOR ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. UM, BEING THAT I'M IN THE FINANCIAL END OF THINGS, WE ALREADY HAVE SCORE, WHICH IS, I CAN'T THINK OF THE, THIS SMALL. YEAH. I'M FAMILIAR WITH SCORE. SCORE, WHICH IS IF YOU NEED [03:10:01] HELP FOR A BUS, I DON'T KNOW IF ANY, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE ACRONYMS FOR THE SCORE. MM-HMM . AND THAT'S FOR IF YOU WANNA START A BUSINESS. I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND. I FEEL LIKE WE'RE DOUBLING, DOUBLING THESE THINGS. THIS IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT FROM SCORE. A SCORE IS THAT WHEN YOU'RE BEING MENTORED, IF YOU NEED HELP, IF YOU NEED, UM, HELPS YOU GET, UM, UH, SET UP HELPS YOU SIT DOWN AND DO YOUR PLAN, YOUR BUSINESS PLAN, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A LOT OF THINGS LIKE THAT ALREADY. THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOING THOSE THINGS. MOST OF 'EM ARE RETIRED EXECUTIVES. 'CAUSE I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY ONE TIME AND I HAD TO HAVE SOME, A SITUATION. I GOT, I HAD TO NEED REALLY PACIFIC HELP, NOT JUST ANYBODY ELSE. I NEED A PACIFIC HELP FROM MAJOR, UM, MAJOR CORPORATE PEOPLE. MM-HMM . AND THAT'S WHO I USED WAS THE SCORE PEOPLE. UM, THIS DISNEY HAS OVER IN THE, IN THE, AND THEY COME OVER HERE AND YOU CAN USE THAT. AND I'M GONNA SAY, I'S DISNEY ENTERPRISE, I COULD BE WRONG WHAT IT'S CALLED, I DON'T REMEMBER. BUT THEY ALREADY HAVE THESE PROGRAMS IN THERE THAT YOU CAN GO IN AND GET A LOT OF HELP, A LOT OF PROGRAMS THAT I FEEL LIKE WE'RE ALMOST REDOING THIS, DOING THE SAME THING. NOW, IF YOU WERE GOING TO GO, UM, DISNEY, DISNEY INSTITUTE, I BELIEVE IT'S CALLED THE DISNEY INSTITUTE THAT DEALS WITH BUSINESSES AND ALL THAT, THAT, UM, COME DEALS, DEALS WITH HOW TO DO PROCUREMENTS, HOW TO DO ALL, YOU KNOW, SIT DOWN AND DO MARKETING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND THEY HAVE CLASSES, I DON'T KNOW, I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT 'EM RECENTLY. SO ARE WE REINVENTING THE WHEEL HERE OR COULD WE JUST, RATHER THAN HAVING THAT, CAN WE LOOK OVER AT JUST SEEING IF THEY'LL COME OVER IF YOU WANNA DO THIS, WHETHER WE COULD DO PROGRAMS ALREADY SINCE THEY ALREADY HAVE THE BASIS WITH THESE PROGRAMS IS USE THEM AND JUST SAY, CAN WE, YOU KNOW, CAN WE PARTNERSHIP WITH YOU? CORRECT. SO AS I MENTIONED, I WAS THE PROGRAM DIRECTOR FOR SBDC AND SCORE. JIM LINQUIST. HE'S A GOOD, HE'S A FRIEND OF MINE, BUT I KNOW ANTONIO, I THINK THAT'S THE NAME OF THE, THE GUY WHO RUN SCORE NOW. SO THIS PROGRAM WOULD BE IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THEM. BUT THIS IS A, ACTUALLY A CITY OF MELBOURNE TYPE PROGRAM. AND WE VENTURE WHO'S IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY OF COCO, RIGHT? SO THIS IS NOT A DUPLICATION, BUT THIS IS ACTUALLY AN AUGMENTATION OF ENCOURAGING OUR BUSINESSES TO WORK WITH PROGRAMS LIKE THAT. BUT IT'S ACTUALLY, UH, HIGHLIGHTING THE FACT THAT THE CITY OF MELBOURNE IS ACTUALLY ENCOURAGED. SO IF I, IF I GO, IF I LOOK AT BREVARD COUNTY, UM, AND I CAN, UH, WE COULD TALK ABOUT THIS EVEN MORE. THE ONLY CITY RIGHT NOW IN BREVARD COUNTY THAT HAS SORT OF A INCENTIVE PROGRAM IS THE CITY OF COCOA THAT MORE HAS A SORT OF A, AS OPPOSED TO A REIMBURSABLE PROGRAM IS THE CITY OF COCO. AND THEY'RE WORKING WITH WE VENTURE AND WEVE RIGHT HERE AT FLORIDA TECH IS IN OUR BACKYARD AND WE DON'T HAVE A PROGRAM WITH OUR HOMESCHOOL. MY LEAGUE THING IS SO COCOA. THIS IS TERRIBLE. COCO HAS BEEN A DEAD CITY FOR A WHILE. I MEAN IT, THE JOKE THAT WASN'T A JOKE, IT WENT BEING IN BUSINESS IS THAT WHEN THERE WERE CERTAIN GROVES AND ALL THAT, IT DIED AT PINEDA. THAT WAS THE, THAT WAS THE THING THAT YOU TOLD. YOU SAID YOU WENT FROM PINEDA SOUTH. YOU DIDN'T GO PINEDA NORTH. 'CAUSE THAT WAS, IT WAS KIND OF THE DEAD ZONES YOU LOOK AT NOW. IT, I MEAN THERE'S CER CERTAIN MOVEMENT, BUT I THINK COCOA IN THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE ARE HERE. WE, WE'VE HAD THE MOVEMENT FOR YEARS, THE SMALL BUSINESSES AND ALL THAT WE'RE COCO SET DORMANT FOR YEARS. SO, UH, YOU CAN'T PUT US AS COCO IN MELBOURNE. LIKE I SAID, THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE WAY IT WAS SAID IS THAT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS THAT YOU DIDN'T WANT TO GO NORTH OF PA VICE MAYOR. WELL, MA'AM, UM, I'M JUST LOOKING AT THIS, MARCUS, AND, AND I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, WE VENTURE A BIT, UM, BEFORE YOU GOT ON COUNCIL, BUT, UM, MY, MY QUESTION IS THIS, UM, WOULD WE VENTURE BE SUPPORTING THIS FINANCIALLY OR WOULD THE CITY OF MELBOURNE BE SUPPORTING THIS FINANCIALLY? BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT LIKE $300,000 OVER TWO YEARS AND $150,000 OVER TWO YEARS. SO WHO'S FLIPPING THE BILL FOR THAT? SO THOSE ARE NUMBERS THAT, THAT WAS ME JUST SORT OF DOING A WAG. SO, I MEAN, AND THAT'S WHERE AFTER TONIGHT WE WOULD PROBABLY GET A LITTLE BIT MORE CONCRETE NUMBERS. [03:15:01] SO THAT WAS JUST SORT OF ME, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT NUMBERS TO HAVE SOME. SO WE WILL BE PUT IN THE BILL. SO, SO THIS IS A PROGRAM THAT, UM, OVER THE COURSE OF TWO YEARS, WE HAVE A $300,000 BILL FOR LOANS AND GRANTS. 150,000 FOR INCENTIVE AND AWARDS. RIGHT. SO NOW WE'RE 450,000, THEN ANOTHER 50,000 FOR NON-PROFIT INCENTIVE GRANTS, WHICH I THINK WE ALREADY DO, WHICH IS NOW THREE, FOUR, 500,000 PROCUREMENT DOLLARS AWARDED 1.5 MILLION ON TOP OF ALL THAT TOO. SO NOW WE'RE AT 2 MILLION. SO, SO, SO AS OPPOSED TO LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS THAT MARK SMITH CAME UP WITH, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE BETTER, MORE CONCRETE NUMBERS LOOKING AT A PROGRAM THAT'S ALREADY IN PLACE. OKAY. WOULD, UH, IF SHE'S FINISHED WELL, AND I WAS GONNA ASK, DO YOU WANT ME TO BRING REVETURE UP? WOULD THAT HELP YOUR PORTION OF, OR DO YOU WANT HAVE YOUR QUESTION FIRST? WE BRING UP TURE. UM, I, MY QUESTION FIRST. SO LIKE FOR THE NEXT STEPS SAYS ANNOUNCE FIRST IN MELBOURNE, INVEST IN IDEAS PITCH COMPETITION. SO WE WOULD BE FRONTING WHATEVER THE NUMBERS WOULD BE. WE WOULD BE ING THE BILL, RIGHT? OH, ARE WE, WOULD THAT MEAN THAT WE OWN INTEREST WITHIN THAT BUILD THAT, UH, BUSINESS? ARE WE GONNA GET THAT MONEY BACK? OR HOW DO YOU PLAN ON US PAYING FOR THIS? THIS IS SOUNDS REALLY, REALLY EXPENSIVE. NO, I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT'D BE REALLY EXPENSIVE. BUT NO, WE WOULD NOT HAVE AN EQUITY STAKE IN THE BUSINESSES. NO, I DON'T GET TO BE MR. WONDERFUL. WE'RE GIVING THEM SEED, THE SEED MONEY. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? WE'RE GIVING THEM YES. SEED MONEY TO THE BUSINESSES. YES. BUT, UH, ARE, WELL, HOW DO WE PAY? YOU KNOW, THAT'S A SLIPPERY SLOPE RIGHT THERE, YOU KNOW. UM, 'CAUSE WHAT KIND OF BUSINESSES ARE WE GIVING SEED MONEY TO? HOW DO, WHAT'S OUR, WHAT'S OUR PARAMETERS OF GIVING SEED SEED MONEY? CAN WE LET, CAN WE BRING WE VENTURE FORWARD AND JUST, WOULD THAT BE HELPFUL IF SHE'S A SPEAKER RIGHT NOW BEFORE WE VENTURE? OKAY. UH, WOULD THIS COME UP, MS. CATHERINE ROFF? AND THEN JUST PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND THEN YOU GOT THREE MINUTES AND WE'LL KIND OF GO FROM THERE. SURE, ABSOLUTELY. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS CATHERINE RUDL. I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF WE VENTURE WOMEN'S BUSINESS CENTER. I LIVE AT 6 2 5 BARCELONA COURT IN SATELLITE BEACH. UM, LOT WAS DISCUSSED THERE. I'M JUST GONNA START BY SAYING I COMMEND COM. UM, COUNCILMAN SMITH FOR BRINGING TO THE COUNCIL THE IDEA THAT WE COULD THINK ABOUT HOW THE CITY OF MELBOURNE COULD DO MORE TO SUPPORT SMALL BUSINESSES THAT ARE LAUNCHING AND GROWING HERE WITHIN THE CITY TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE VIABLE. I'M SURE I DON'T HAVE TO TELL YOU, IT'S A VERY WELL KNOWN STATISTIC. MOST BUSINESSES ARE NOT GONNA MAKE IT PAST TWO YEARS. AT WE VENTURE, OUR GOAL IS TO WORK WITH THEM AND PROVIDE WHAT WE CALL TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE, BUSINESS COACHING, EDUCATION TRAINING, AND MENTORSHIP TO MAKE SURE THAT BUSINESSES OVERCOME THOSE ODDS. WE ARE AFFILIATED WITH THE S BDCS AND SCORE THE SERVICE CORPS OF RETIRED EXECUTIVES. SO YOU ARE RIGHT WITH THAT. UM, VETERANS BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT CENTERS, MINORITY BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT CENTERS, ALL OF THOSE PROGRAMS ARE FUNDED IN PART BY THE SBA. SO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR SINCE THE SEVENTIES, HAS TRIED TO FUNNEL MONEY DOWN TO ACTUALLY HELP SMALL BUSINESSES WITHIN LOCAL COMMUNITIES. NOW, UM, MY COLLEAGUE WHO WORKED AT THE SBDC WILL ATTEST THAT MONEY FLOWS TO THE STATE AND THEY FUND THE SBDC THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE UNIVERSITY COLLEGE SYSTEM. THAT FUNDING HAS BEEN FLAT FOR SEVERAL DECADES. RIGHT. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WHERE, LIKE THESE PROGRAMS HAVE GROWN IN WASHINGTON. LIKE IT'S THE SAME. THE WOMEN'S BUSINESS CENTER PROGRAM WAS ENACTED IN 1988. IT'S AN ANNUAL $150,000 GRANT HAS BEEN FLAT SINCE 1988. WE ARE UNIQUE IN THAT WE ARE A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP THAT IS REQUIRED TO MATCH THOSE FEDERAL DOLLARS. THAT'S PROBABLY WHY YOU SEE WE VENTURE FUNDRAISE IN THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE WE GO OUT AND WE DO SEEK INVESTMENT FROM, YOU KNOW, PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS, CORPORATIONS, OTHER NON-FEDERAL GRANTS. AND WE DO FUNDRAISING THAT HAS ALLOWED OUR SERVICES TO GROW WHERE THE SBDC STILL EMPLOYS 1.5 EMPLOYEES TO TRY TO SERVICE AND COUNSEL AND COACH. WE ARE NOW A STAFF OF NINE. SO THAT ALLOWS US, WE SERVE OVER A THOUSAND UNIQUE SMALL BUSINESSES A YEAR. NOW WITH 55 SECONDS, I'LL TELL YOU WHY THERE IS DEMAND AND WHY WE, THIS IS A WORTHWHILE INVESTMENT OF THIS CITY. SINCE THE 1990S, SMALL BUSINESSES HAVE PRODUCING MORE JOBS IN THE UNITED STATES THAN LARGE CORPORATIONS. HEADLINE AFTER HEADLINE IS ABOUT CORPORATE EFFICIENCIES AND DOWNSIZING AND THE FUTURE OF THAT. SMALL BUSINESSES ARE THE MOM AND POP SHOPS. THEY ARE THE CONSULTANTS. THEY ARE THE SMALL MEDIUM BUSINESSES THAT PROVIDE THE ACTUAL SERVICES, DO THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL WORK, AND PROVIDE THE ACTUAL CAREGIVING, LIVING AND EXCHANGING OF GOODS AND SERVICES. THOSE ARE THE BUSINESSES THAT WE SERVE. THOSE ARE WHAT NEED MORE SUPPORT THAN EVER AS WE FACE RISING COSTS AND LABOR SHORTAGES. SO IT IS A WISE INVESTMENT FOR THE CITY TO SUGGEST THAT THE [03:20:01] STAFF LOOK INTO. WHAT ELSE COULD YOU DO? IT DOES NOT HAVE TO MODEL WHAT WE DID IN COCOA. WE'VE GOT A WONDERFUL PROGRAM THAT I'D LOVE TO TELL YOU ABOUT. IF WE DO A WORKSHOP, WE'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR FOUR YEARS WITH THE CITY, BUT WHATEVER WORKS TO MEET THE GOALS OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE AND YOUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEEDS, WE WOULD LOVE TO BE A PART OF THAT CONVERSATION AND MAKE SURE WE DO SOMETHING THAT IS TRULY HELPFUL, BENEFICIAL, AND AN EFFICIENT USE OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS. THANK YOU. AND SO FROM, I'M LOOKING AT YOUR PORTION OF THIS, UM, HAVE YOU SEEN THIS DOCUMENT BY THE WAY? YES. OKAY. JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOUR DOCUMENT IMPLIED. YEAH. UM, UH, I KNOW IT SAYS COACHING RIGHT HERE FROM WE VENTURE YOU. THAT'S OBVIOUSLY ADDED VALUE, BUT CLEARLY YOU HAVE PROGRAMMATIC EXPERIENCE DOING THIS IN COCO. SO IS THIS THE, I THINK THE FUNDING SOURCE ON HERE WAS CRA FUNDS. IS THAT THE SAME THAT THEY USED FOR THAT? 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN. IT IS, IT IS. SO, SO, SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THE CITY OF COCOA WANTED TO DO IS THEY WANTED TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE GRANTS TO SMALL BUSINESSES THAT WOULD MOVE TO THE CITY OR GROW IN THE CITY. SO YOU HAD TO ALREADY BE ESTABLISHED AND HAVE A GROWTH TRAJECTORY, OR BE A NEW BUSINESS OR AN ESTABLISHED BUSINESS LOOKING TO MOVE INTO THE CITY OF COCOA. NOW, THEY DID NOT WANNA JUST GIVE TAX TAXPAYER DOLLARS AWAY. MM-HMM . UM, WILLY-NILLY, TO YOUR POINT, HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT TYPE OF BUSINESSES ARE WE INVESTING IN? SO WE WORKED WITH THEIR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, STAFF TO COME UP WITH A REVIEW PROCESS AND THEN LEVERAGING OUR IGNITE 360 BUSINESS MENTORSHIP PROGRAM. SO BASICALLY AS BUSINESSES APPLY, UM, THE, THE COUNCIL, WHICH INCLUDES A MEMBER OF MY STAFF AND THEN OTHERS FROM THE CRA AND FROM COUNCIL, AND I THINK A FEW CITIZEN, YOU KNOW, APPOINTEES THAT THE COUNCIL MIGHT APPOINT MM-HMM . THEY REVIEW AND IF A BUSINESS GETS FLAGGED TO MOVE FORWARD, THEN THE CITY PAYS FOR THEM TO GO THROUGH OUR BUSINESS MENTORSHIP. THAT IS A SIX MONTH PROGRAM WHERE WE WERE ENSURE AND WORK WITH THEM THAT IT'S A SOLID BUSINESS PLAN. THAT THEY'VE GOT A SOLID TRAJECTORY FOR GROWTH, THAT WE KNOW EXACTLY HOW THE FUNDS WILL BE USED. AND THEN WE'RE KIND OF THE INSURANCE POLICY. SO THAT WHEN WE GO BACK AT THE END OF THAT PROGRAM TO THE COUNCIL AND WE SAY, YES, THIS BUSINESS WOULD BE A GOOD INVESTMENT OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS, WE HAVE HIGH CONFIDENCE THAT THEY WILL BE IN BUSINESS FOR TWO. I THINK THE, THE THRESHOLD THEY HAVE IS THREE YEARS OR MORE. THEY WANNA SEE IT BE, AND THEN IT BECOMES A FORGIVABLE LOAN. OKAY. BUSINESSES DON'T ALWAYS MAKE IT THROUGH. RIGHT. JUST BECAUSE THEY APPLY IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE COUNCIL AND THE APPROVAL BOARD PASSES THEM FORWARD. AND THEN JUST BECAUSE THEY GO THROUGH OUR PROGRAM DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE ALWAYS GIVE THEM THE VOTE OF CONFIDENCE. THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT WILL DROP OUT OF THE PROGRAM BECAUSE THEY RECOGNIZE I DON'T HAVE A SUSTAINABLE BUSINESS PLAN, OR THE NUMBERS AREN'T WITH ME OR THE MARKET HAS CHANGED, OR I CAN'T MEET THE GOALS THAT THE CITY HAS SET OUT IN THE PARAMETERS FOR THE FUNDING. BUT FOR THOSE THAT DO, AND FOR THOSE THAT DO, WE HAVE SEEN TREMENDOUS SUCCESS. WE HAVE HELPED RESTAURANTS, WE HAVE HELPED A MICROFACTORY THAT'S HELPING OTHER PEOPLE DEVELOP IN SMALL TEXTILE BATCHES. RIGHT. NOT HAVING TO GO TO CHINA TO GET YOUR SAMPLES AND YOUR PRODUCTS, BUT YOU CAN DO THAT LOCALLY. UM, VARIOUS CONSULTING FIRMS, SOME MORE CULTURAL THINGS, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN IMAGINE WITHIN THE COCOA VILLAGE, MORE LIKE A, UM, CULTURAL AND, AND RETAIL. UM, WE'VE HELPED SOME MORE OF THE AEROSPACE TYPE CONSULTING FOLKS THAT WANTED TO MOVE INTO SOME OF THE DIAMOND SQUARE SPACE. SO IT REALLY IS A VARIETY OF INDUSTRIES. IT DEPENDS ON THE SPACE IN THE CITY WHERE YOU WANNA FOCUS YOUR TARGETED DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN HAVING THE CONVERSATION, WHAT ARE YOUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GOALS FOR SMALL BUSINESS AND HOW CAN WE CREATE A PROGRAM THAT WOULD HELP THE CITY REALLY BE EFFECTIVE AND MOVE THE NUMBER THERE TO HELP THEM STAY SUCCESSFUL. AND THEN THIS BUSINESS MENTORSHIP PORTION THAT YOU HAVE ON IT IS THERE, IS THERE A, LIKE WE WERE TRYING TO GO THROUGH THE NUMBERS ON WHAT THIS WOULD COST THE CITY. DO YOU HAVE A FLAT NUMBER ON THERE OR DOES THAT VARY? WE DO. SO, UM, OUR PROGRAM HAS THREE DIFFERENT TIERS RANGING FROM 1500 TO 3,500. SO FOR THE CITY OF UM, COCOA PLAN, I THINK WE AVERAGE 2,500 PER CLIENT, OR THEY REIMBURSE US 2,500 PER CLIENT. MM-HMM . WHICH WOULD BE OUR SIX MONTH PROGRAM. WE HAVE LIKE A THREE MONTH TO SIX MONTH OR A NINE MONTH. AND SO THAT SIX MONTHS PROGRAM FOR THE IGNITE PROGRAM PROVIDES A TEAM OF MENTORS THAT WORKS NOT ONLY ON MAKING SURE THAT THERE IS A SOLID BUSINESS PLAN, BUT THAT THAT BUSINESS OWNER HAS THE SKILLS THEY NEED, THE TRAINING, THEY NEED THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA HELP 'EM BEAT THE ODDS. THEY'RE REALLY GONNA SET A FOUNDATION FOR SUCCESS. ALRIGHT. AND THEN WE VENTURE SPECIFICALLY, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, IT'S PARTICULARLY CENTERED AROUND, UH, FEMALE SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS. UM, WE DO MARKET, SO, SO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, IT IS A WOMEN'S BUSINESS CENTER GRANT, BUT WE ARE FEDERALLY FUNDED. WE DO NOT DISCRIMINATE BASED ON RACE OR GENDER. UM, OUR SERVICES ARE AVAILABLE TO EVERYONE AND EVERY YEAR BETWEEN 25 AND 30% OF OUR CLIENTS ARE MEN OR FAMILY PARTNERSHIPS. SO EVEN THOUGH WOMEN'S BUSINESS CENTER IS IN OUR TITLE, BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THE FEDERAL GRANT THAT WE RECEIVE IS, WE'RE STILL FEDERALLY FUNDED AND WE'RE, OUR SERVICES ARE AVAILABLE TO EVERYONE. OKAY. AND THEN LASTLY, JUST 'CAUSE I PICTURE AGAIN ON THE PROGRAMMATIC SIDE, I WANNA MAKE SURE I HEARD CLEARLY ON IT BECAUSE THE, THE PITCH IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT WAS LIKE A SHARK TANK STYLE PITCH COMPETITION. THIS SOUNDS MORE LIKE, WHICH I MEAN, WHILE I WOULD LOVE FOR US TO ALL PLAY OUR ROLES WITH LORI OVER HERE, MR. WONDERFUL. OVER THERE, I THINK THE, IT SOUNDS LIKE GENERALLY THOUGH IT'S COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT [03:25:01] IS LOOKING AT THESE APPLICATIONS WORKING WITH EITHER MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD OR A VOLUNTEER BOARD TO, TO DECIPHER WHOM WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR THIS. DOES IS THAT ACTUALLY IT IS, YES. IN PRACTICE HOW THAT WORKS, IT'S IN, IN PRACTICE. WHAT WE HAVE FOUND, AND AGAIN, WE'VE BEEN BEEN THIS FOR FOUR YEARS WITH THEM AND THE PROGRAM HAS DEVELOPED, YOU KNOW, AS WE'VE LEARNED. UM, BUT IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN A COMMITTEE. MM-HMM . WE HAVE A RUBRIC. UM, THEY DO COME AND, YOU KNOW, PITCH THEIR BUSINESS OR LIKE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY SPEAK BEFORE THOSE DECIDING, NOT JUST SUBMIT A PAPER APPLICATION AND THEN THE COMMITTEE WILL VOTE TO SAY, OKAY, DO THEY MOVE ON MM-HMM . AND THEN THOSE MIGHT MOVE ON TO OUR PROGRAM. AND THEN THOSE THAT SUCCESS SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETE OUR PROGRAM AND KIND OF GET OUR, YOU KNOW, WE VENTURE SEAL OF GOOD PLAN, SOLID FINANCIALS, YOU KNOW, CHECK, CHECK, CHECK. YEAH. WE GO BEFORE COUNCIL AND THAT'S THE FUN DAY. THAT'S REALLY THE PITCH DAY. YEAH. WHEN WE GET TO SAY, YAY, THEY'RE GRADUATING, THE BUSINESS GETS TO COME AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT I'VE LEARNED, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO. AND THEN COUNCIL GETS TO SAY LIKE, OPRAH, YOU GET YOUR GRANT. YOU KNOW, AND, AND WE HAVE THE BIG CELEBRATION IN THE PICTURE. AND THEN NOW THEY'RE COMING BACK AND WE HAVE OUR GRADUATES COMING BACK AND REPORTING TO COUNCIL THAT ARE STILL IN BUSINESS. THE JOBS THEY'VE CREATED AND HOW THEY'VE GROWN IS ONE OF THOSE COMING UP FOR COCOA THAT WE'D BE ABLE TO WATCH EITHER ON PLAYBACK OR THAT RECENTLY HAPPENED OR COMING UP THAT WE CAN WATCH. UM, JUST LAST MONDAY WE HAD ANOTHER CLIENT GRADUATE SO I COULD GO BACK. OKAY. UM, SO IF I AND DO THAT AND SO INTERESTING EXAMPLE, THAT WAS A COMMISSARY KITCHEN. OKAY. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, LIKE A LOT OF SMALL BUSINESSES WHEN WE TALK ABOUT COTTAGE INDUSTRY MM-HMM . YOU KNOW, LITERALLY STARTING OUT OF YOUR HOME, ONE OF THE THINGS A LOT OF PEOPLE STRUGGLE WITH IN BREVARD IS HAVING ACCESS TO ONE OF THOSE COMMISSARY TYPE KITCHENS. THAT WAS THE TYPE OF BUSINESS PLAN WE WERE ABLE TO WORK WITH AND GET STARTED. WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO SEE IT TAKE OFF IN THE CITY OF COCOA. GREAT. UH, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR YEAH. I WANNA KNOW HOW MUCH, WHAT THE MONEY I'M THE MONEY I WANNA KNOW WHAT KIND OF MONEY WE'RE LOOKING AT. YOU KNOW, IT REALLY IS UP TO YOU AND WHAT YOUR, I HAVE NO, I HAVE NO CONCEPT OF YOUR FUNDING OR YOUR BUDGET AND WHAT YOU MIGHT DO WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. BUT LET'S JUST SAY IF YOU WERE TO COMPARE IT TO A FACADE GRANT THAT IS BY NATURE LIMITED TO THOSE THAT HAVE A BRICK AND MORTAR BUSINESS AND HAVE SOME SORT OF FRONTAGE TO THAT BRICK AND MORTAR BUSINESS, THAT IS NOT THE MAJORITY OF BUSINESSES. RIGHT. MOST PEOPLE AREN'T RETAIL, LIKE COMING AND GOING. THEY DON'T NEED THE FACADE GRANT. THIS WOULD OPEN UP YOUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT WE THINK GRANTS OF, AT WE VENTURE WE DO FUNDRAISING AND WE GIVE AWAY THREE GRANTS A YEAR, 15, 10, AND $5,000. WE DO IT THROUGH A PITCH PROCESS, BUT THAT'S AFTER THEY'VE BEEN VETTED. AND THAT'S JUST THE FINALIST TO DETERMINE WHO GETS 15, WHO GETS 10, AND WHO GETS FIVE. THAT'S BASED ON WHAT I'M ABLE TO RAISE AND WHAT OUR BOARD IS COMFORTABLE WITH GIVING AWAY. IT WOULD BE ENTIRELY UP TO YOU OF SAYING, HOW MUCH DO WE WANNA INVEST IN SMALL BUSINESS AND AT WHAT AMOUNT? I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO THINK IN NO LESS THAN 5,000, EVEN THOUGH, YOU KNOW, EVEN A THOUSAND OR $2,500 GRANT MIGHT DO SOME BUSINESSES, THE JUICE ISN'T QUITE WORTH THE SQUEEZE WHEN GOING THROUGH A CITY PROCESS. 'CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF CHECKS AND BALANCES AND THAT AND, AND THE HOOPS THAT THEY MIGHT JUMP THROUGH TO GET A THOUSAND DOLLARS. YOU MIGHT NOT GET A LOT OF BUSINESSES, WHEN WE TALK 5, 10, 15, $20,000, YOU'RE GONNA GET GOOD BUSINESSES THAT ARE BRINGING FORTH SOLID PLANS THAT THE JUICE WILL BE WORTH THE SQUEEZE. RIGHT. THAT THEY'RE GONNA SAY, THIS WOULD REALLY BE MEANINGFUL. THE ONE RESTAURANT THAT WE HELPED, IF YOU CAN IMAGINE A, A FACILITY IN COCOA, THEY HAD TO REPLACE THE KITCHEN HOOD AND ALL OF THAT. THEY COULD OPERATE AS THEY WERE, BUT BEING ABLE TO UPDATE THE KITCHEN FACILITIES IGNITED THAT BUSINESS. RIGHT. AND ALLOWED THEM TO SAY THAT, OKAY, WE CAN BE HERE AND WE CAN AFFORD THE, THE FACILITY AND BEING IN THE CITY OF COCO IS NO LONGER A LIABILITY 'CAUSE WE CAN AFFORD TO UPDATE THE FACILITY. AND THAT'S INTERNAL. THAT'S NOT A FACADE GRANT. THEY WOULDN'T HAVE QUALIFIED FOR A FACADE GRANT. MS. KENNEDY, THANK YOU. AND, UM, I AM GOING TO, UM, SPEAK WITH MY COUNTERPARTS AT COCOA JUST TO GET, UH, A LITTLE BIT MORE INSIGHT, YOU KNOW, AFTER WE LEAVE HERE TONIGHT. BUT, UM, HOW MANY DO, DO THEY CAP THE, UH, THE AMOUNT? YEAH, IT'S, SO IT'S GROWN. SO WE STARTED OFF THE FIRST YEAR, I BELIEVE IT WAS TWO FROM THE CITY OF COCOA, TWO FROM THE CRA DISTRICT. AND I THINK THIS YEAR WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, UP TO POTENTIALLY 10 GRANTS THAT THEY'RE PREPARED TO GIVE. SO, BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, SOME YEARS WE'VE, WE'VE HAD PEOPLE GO THROUGH THE PROGRAM AND THEN NOT BEEN RECOMMENDED. SO THE FUNDING HAS ROLLED OVER. WHO MAKES CONNECTION? THE RECOMMENDATION? I MEAN, DO YOU, YOU OR THE COUNSELOR OR WHO YOU SAY MAKES THE RECOMMENDATION? SO AFTER THEY COMPLETE OUR PROGRAM, THE, WHICH IS, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY WILL HAVE A TEAM OF MENTORS. IT'S NOT JUST LIKE MY STAFF, YOU KNOW, UP OR DOWNING LIKE THEY'RE WORKING WITH A TEAM OF MENTORS. BUT THEN USUALLY EITHER MYSELF OR OR MY STAFF MEMBER WHO HEADS UP THE IGNITE PROGRAM OR WE GO AND SPEAK BEFORE COUNCIL AND KIND OF VOUCH AND TALK ABOUT THE LESSONS THEY'VE LEARNED, WHAT WE PUT THEM THROUGH. UM, A LOT OF TIMES WE ACTUALLY, I THINK IT IS IN THE REQUIREMENT THAT THE FINANCIALS ARE PROVIDED, BUT [03:30:01] THAT'S WHERE WE HAD TO WORK ON THE STIPULATIONS. 'CAUSE WE DO WANNA RESPECT, AGAIN, LIKE IT'S NOT OWNERSHIP AND SUNSHINE LAWS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO, UM, WITHOUT TOTALLY DIVULGING THEIR FULL FINANCIALS, YOU KNOW, THAT WE HAVE REVIEWED THEIR FINANCIALS, UM, AND VOUCHED FOR THE BUSINESS AND THEN IT GOES TO THE COUNCIL OR THE CRA BOARD IF THEY WANT TO INVEST. SO, UH, SO DR. RUDLOFF, UH, HELP ME OUT. YEP. JUST FOR, FOR THE BENEFIT OF US, AND I KNOW I HAVE THIS, THIS ROUGH PROPOSAL HERE, BUT FIRST YEAR FUNDING, WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? JUST SO THAT WE CAN KIND OF HAVE AN IDEA IF, IF, IF I WERE TO COME TO YOU AND SAY, WHAT DO I THINK WOULD BE IMPACTFUL? I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE CITY OF MELBOURNE SUGGEST THAT YOU HAVE MAYBE YOUR, WITHIN YOUR CRA DISTRICTS A GRANT AVAILABLE A YEAR, AND THEN MAYBE WITHOUT YOUR CRA DISTRICTS, IF YOU HAVE SOME OTHER DIVISION THAT YOU WANNA DO SO THAT THERE WAS SOME EQUITABLE FOCUS, UM, IN TERMS OF DISTRIBUTING IT THROUGHOUT THE, THE CITY AND THEN SETTING THAT, YOU KNOW, IDEAL INVESTMENT SOMEWHERE BETWEEN FIVE TO 10 TO $15,000 PER BUSINESS. THAT THAT IS A SMALL MONEY THAT YOU CAN'T GET FROM A LOAN. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU'VE TRIED TO GET A BUSINESS. HOW MANY BUSINESSES? HOW MANY BUSINESSES? SO TWO, THAT'S LIKE TWO OR OR THREE RIGHT. OF FIRST YEAR. BUT, BUT I HERE, SO LET ME LET, LET'S, OKAY. AND I APPRECIATE, BUT AGAIN, FOR, FOR THIS WOULD BE UP TO YOUR TEAM TO DECIDE. I DON'T WANNA PRESCRIBE WHAT YOU DO. THIS WOULD REALLY BE TO MEET YOUR ECONOMIC GOALS. WELL BEING, WE GREATLY APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE AS A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT ON YEAH. AB ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. YOU SAVED THAT. SO I DO, I WILL SAY THIS, MARCUS . UM, I DON'T, I LOVE USING COMMITTEES FOR THINGS LIKE THIS. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO WORKSHOP IT UP HERE. IS IT POSSIBLE THAT'S A STAFF THING THAT I HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COULD BRING THIS DOWN TO THE CRA AND SAY, IS THERE, ARE YOU GUYS INTERESTED IN LOOKING INTO SOMETHING LIKE THIS? BECAUSE THEN THEY COULD TAKE A LOOK, SAY, BECAUSE THEY'RE HELPING US ADVISE WHERE THOSE DOLLARS GO. I DON'T WANNA ROB PETER TO PAY PAUL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. AND THEY COULD TAKE A LOOK AND SAY, OKAY, HEY, WE'VE GOT 15,000 THAT WE'RE NOT REALLY SURE WHAT WE WERE GONNA DO WITH, AND WE COULD PUT IT TOWARDS THIS PROGRAM. OR THEY COULD SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'RE NOT QUITE SURE THIS WOULD WORK FOR DOWNTOWN MELBOURNE, HISTORIC SOUTH MELBOURNE AND BRING IT BACK UP. LIKE, WHAT DO YOU THINK? HOW DO YOU FEEL THAT? I THINK, I THINK THAT'S OKAY. BUT THE ONLY THING ABOUT OUR CRA IS WE, WE ONLY HAVE REALLY ONE ACTIVE CRA. AND SO THAT KIND OF LIMITS OUR GEOGRAPHY. AND THAT'S A MATTER OF FACT, AS I WAS DOING THE RESEARCH THIS'S FOR THE PILOT, THAT'S PILOT FOR FOR A PILOT. THAT'S FOR A PILOT. FOR THE PILOT, YEAH. FOR A PILOT VICE. WE ARE, BECAUSE WE'RE LI I'M, I APOLOGIZE. NO, UH, WE'RE LIMITED AT, AT WHAT WE CAN FUND IN, UH, THE, UH, ALI CRA MM-HMM . ONLY THE PARKING GARAGE PERIOD. THAT'S IT. WE CAN'T FUND IT. DON'T ACT CCRA. WE CAN'T BUY A STREET SWEEPER. WE CAN'T BUY A BROOM. YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALL WE CAN DO. SO, SO THERE IS ONLY ONE CRA OPTION FOR US THAT IF WE WANTED TO TRAVEL THAT ROAD, THEN YOU'D HAVE TO INCORPORATE THAT CRA BOARD AND MAKE THE PITCH TO THEM. AND THEN THEY, AS THE ADVISORY BOARD TO THE COUNCIL WOULD MAKE THE ADVI WOULD MAKE THAT ADVISORY TO US. I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE THE PROPER, UH, ORDER OF OPERATION WAY TO GO. BUT VICE MAYOR, LET ME ASK THIS. WOULD YOU BE AMENABLE POTENTIALLY TO, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT DECIDING ANY FUNDING HERE, BUT MAYBE LETTING, LETTING STAFF, LETTING THEM DECIDE. AND MAYBE IF IT'S TWO OR THREE, I DON'T THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF FUNDING AND MAYBE SOME FUNDING, YOU KNOW, WELL, WELL, THE THING IS, WE JUST, WE ALREADY APPROPRIATE OUR MONEY. BUT THE CRA LIKE THAT, I THINK THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE YOUR MOST BANG FOR YOUR BUCK OPPORTUNITY. AND IT'S AN AREA THAT'S IN NEED. BUT I KNOW MS. KENNEDY HAD SOME THOUGHTS. YEAH. AND, AND I THINK, UH, IS PIGGYBACKING ON WHAT MR. LARUSSO WAS SAYING. YEAH. THAT I DO BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD START WITH THE CA RIGHT ONE. 100%. UM, I THINK THAT'S MOST APPROPRIATE. BUT TO ALSO MAYBE GRAB ONE FROM OUTSIDE THE CRA, JUST SO WE CAN GO TO DOWNTOWN ON GALLEY OR GO, YOU KNOW, SOMEPLACE ELSE IN THE CITY, BUT MAYBE PILOT IT DOWNTOWN, BUT TO SEE IF THE CRA'S EVEN INTERESTED AND SEE WHERE, WHERE THAT GOES. SO PILOT IT WITH THE CRA AND THEN MAYBE ONE AND, AND THEN MAY ONE. BUT, BUT I THINK I DO THINK THE FIRST STEP SHOULD BE THE CCRA CI JUST IT AS FAR AS SOURCES OF MONEY AND HOW THAT WOULD WORK. OKAY. THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE YOUR EASIEST ONE. BUT AGAIN, I THINK THEY COULD WORKSHOP ALL OF THAT. BUT I, I'M GONNA HAVE TO NOW PUT JENNY ON THE HOTSPOT. AM AM I, ARE WE SPEAKING OUT OF TURN IN ANY OF THIS ON, IS THIS SOMETHING WE CAN ASSIGN TO THEM THAT YOU WOULD KNOW THE BEST PROCESS? WE HAVEN'T DONE SOMETHING LIKE THIS IN SOME SINCE I'VE BEEN ON HERE, SO I I DON'T KNOW OF ANY REASON THAT WE COULDN'T ASK THEM TO LOOK INTO THIS PROGRAM AND TO, TO TELL YOU IF THEY THOUGHT THAT WAS APPROPRIATE USE OF THEIR C OF THE CRA FUNDS. OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE THE, THE CCRA BOARD, RIGHT? THE ADVISORY BOARD. BUT IT, IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD VET THAT OUT JUST FOR THAT COMPONENT OF IT. BUT, YOU KNOW, SINCE THAT'S WHERE THE PILOT PROJECT'S GONNA BE. YEAH. AND, AND UNLESS YOU HAVE NO, JUST, YOU KNOW, THERE WILL BE MORE FORMAL STEPS. EVEN EVEN WITH THE CRA PILOT PROGRAM, RIGHT NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT POTENTIAL CRA PLAN AMENDMENT, [03:35:01] RIGHT? ADDING, ADDING PROJECTS, ADDING, ADDING BUDGETS. YOU KNOW, WE, WE JUST, WE JUST DID THE BUDGET APPROVAL FOR, FOR THE CRA, YOU KNOW, WITH, UM, WITH THE COUNCIL BUDGET AS WELL. RIGHT. SO THERE WILL BE FORMAL STEPS TAKEN, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THE CRA ADVISORY COMMITTEE SAYS YES, YOU KNOW, IT'S EITHER A, A SUPPLEMENT, YOU KNOW, SOD, SOD PROGRAM JUST GENERALLY I THINK EXISTS BECAUSE AGAIN, ONE OF THE C'S PRIMARY GOALS IS TO PREVENT AND ELIMINATE BLIGHT WITHIN THAT GEOGRAPHIC AREA. RIGHT. AND SO WHEN WE THINK OF BLIGHT AS, YOU KNOW, THAT PHYSICAL AESTHETIC OF BUILDINGS AND OTHER THINGS, RIGHT? THEN THE FACADE IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM DIRECTLY GOES, GOES TOWARDS THAT. RIGHT? SO AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, CITY OF COCO'S CLEARLY, YOU KNOW, DONE SOME OF THIS LEGWORK BY HAVING THIS PROGRAM ALREADY. RIGHT? BUT IT WILL BE ABOUT MAKING SURE WE CAN JUSTIFY AND VET THAT THIS TYPE OF PROGRAM ISN'T AN APPROPRIATE USE OF CRA FUNDS AS REQUIRED BY THE CRA ACT AND THE STATUTORY THINGS. AND THEN AGAIN, THAT CRA ADVISORY COMMITTEE CAN RECOMMEND TO YOU, AND THEN COUNCIL AS A CRA BOARD CAN SAY YES. WE ALSO FIND THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, BUSINESS INCENTIVES OR, OR HOWEVER, HOWEVER WE, IT GETS PHRASED IS ALSO, IS ALSO A, A APPROPRIATE USE OF CRA FUNDS FOR THAT PURPOSE AND, AND TO ESTABLISH IT THAT WAY. SO, YOU KNOW, NOT, NOT SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, OCCURS ON THE BACK OF A NAPKIN, RIGHT? IF, IF THERE IS, UH, DIRECTION AND, AND, YOU KNOW, APPROVALS TO MOVE FORWARD, THEN THERE WILL BE SOME FORMAL STEPS TO KIND OF CREATE THAT. AND JUST, AND JUST TO MAKE THAT CONCISE THOUGH, TO MAKE SURE I GOT, AND THEN WE'LL GO TO MR. LARUSSO SO THAT THAT'S, I DON'T WANNA PUT THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE. I JUST WANNA SEE IF THEY, THEY CAN STILL, WITHOUT DOING ALL OF THOSE, THEY CAN DISCUSS AND SEE IF THIS IS OF INTEREST BEFORE WE GO DOWN THAT ROAD OF AMENDING ANYTHING. RIGHT. EXACTLY. AND THAT'S ALL I THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE. I GUESS, I GUESS IT WOULD BE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, GIVING, GIVING THE CRA BOARD SUFFICIENT DIRECTION ON WHAT INPUT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR FROM THEM, RIGHT? OF IS THIS, IS THIS IS A BUSINESS INCENTIVE PROGRAM IN, IN WHATEVER REGARD WE'RE, WE'RE DESCRIBING IT SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD EVEN BE CONSIDER USING CRA FUNDS FOR? IF THAT'S THE UNDERLYING QUESTION, THEN WE CAN POSE THAT TO THE CRA ADVISOR COMMITTEE AND HAVE THEM, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THAT. OKAY. I THINK, I THINK IN SOME REGARD THAT WILL STILL FALL ON CITY STAFF TO DO SOME RESEARCH AND LOOK INTO IT AND 'CAUSE THE, BUT OKAY. AND THAT JENNY MARK, YOU GUYS HAVE A COIN TOSS ON IT. , I GUESS, YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE END THIS CONVERSATION TONIGHT, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WHAT WE'RE ASKING THE CRA TO LOOK AT, LIKE, IS IT THE PLAN THAT WAS PRESENTED TO US? NO. OR IS IT MORE THIS IGNITE PLAN, WHICH THEN MEANS WE DO ABOUT A $2,500 SCHOLAR, UH, I'LL CALL IT A SCHOLARSHIP, TO GO THROUGH THE PROGRAM AFTER THEY'VE BEEN VETTED AND, AND DECIDED THEY'RE THE ONES TO GO WITH, WITH THE POTENTIAL THEN OF GETTING A GRANT AT THE END? I THINK THAT'S WHAT I, I MEAN, I KNOW I'VE MET WITH YOU, SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE. COUNCIL'S INTERESTED IN SEEING IF THE CRA FINDS THAT WORTHWHILE AND LET'S DO THAT, THAT TYPE OF PILOT PROJECT. IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING. THAT'S WHAT I FOLLOW THE MODEL. YEAH. YEAH. SO THAT'S SUCCESSFUL MODEL. YEAH. BUT MR. RUSSO, UH, JUST A FEW THINGS. IS THERE ANY PARTICULAR INDUSTRY THAT YOU'RE FINDING MORE SUCCESS THAN OTHERS WITHIN THE CITY OF COCOA? IT'S BEEN PRETTY VARIED. I MEAN, IT, IT REALLY, IT REALLY HAS DEPENDED THE, THE DIAMOND SQUARE DISTRICT, THE, THE BIGGEST HURDLE THAT WE'VE HAD THERE IS COMMERCIAL SPACE. WE'VE HAD BUSINESSES THAT HAVE WANTED TO, AND THEN COMING TO THE POINT WHERE, OKAY, CAN WE ACTUALLY MOVE THEM IN? AND WHERE CAN WE HELP THEM FIND SPACE THAT, THAT'S BEEN A, A BLOCKING FACTOR, BUT IT'S A VARIETY OF INDUSTRIES. SO IT'S NOT JUST RE RETAIL THEN, JUST IN, IN THE ABSOLUTELY. NOT JUST RETAIL. NO. SO IT'S NOT JUST RETAIL. I WOULD SAY MAYBE WE'VE HAD ONE THAT WOULD BE A TYPICAL RETAIL. OKAY. SO DO YOU HAVE A 10,000 FOOT, UH, TEMPLATE, UH, BUSINESS PLAN THAT YOU COULD PRESENT TO THE CRA AS TO WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE? IT GIVES THEM AS A, A STEP BY STEP AS TO LET THEM KNOW, RATHER THAN FOR THEM TO REINVENT IT IN THEIR OWN MINDS THAT YOU WALK THEM THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND THIS IS WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF YOU WENT DOWN THIS ROAD. ABSOLUTELY. I, WE ARE VERY PROUD OF THE, OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY OF COCOA. AND I WOULD INVITE, INVITE ALL OF YOU AND CITY STAFF IF YOU ACTUALLY PLAN TO COME TO THE LEAGUE OF CITY'S DECEMBER MEETING. UM, WE'RE GONNA BE HIGHLIGHTING THE UPSTART COCOA PROGRAM AND BEING, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE INVITED ME TO PARTICIPATE, YOU KNOW, WITH THEIR CITY STAFF TO TALK ABOUT IT MORE SO THAT, SO THAT'S A GREAT PLACE TO COME AND KIND OF LIKE ASK THOSE QUESTIONS. AND THEN PER THE REQUEST OF COUNCIL, I'M HAPPY TO PROVIDE MORE DETAILED EXAMPLE OF, OF WHAT'S WORKED IN COCOA OR WHAT OTHER OPTIONS OR IDEAS. BECAUSE AGAIN, I THINK COUNCILMAN SMITH'S INTENT WHEN WE HAD TALKED WAS JUST TO SUGGEST THAT MELBOURNE START THE DISCUSSION OF WHAT COULD WE DO THAT WOULD MEET [03:40:01] YOUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GOALS? WHAT, WHAT OPTIONS ARE THERE TO LEVERAGE, UM, AND DO MORE ACTIVE, PROACTIVE SUPPORT FOR SMALL BUSINESSES. MM-HMM . YEAH. BECAUSE THERE'S SEEING A, A A A VERY, WE'VE HAD A BRUTAL SUMMER, UH, IN, IN MY INDUSTRY. YEAH. I MEAN, ABSOLUTELY. BRUTAL. IT'S BRUTAL. YEAH. GEEZ, DOWN. I WANTED TO QUIT DOWN 60% TO WITH YEAH. HONEST, BUT, UM, UH, 'CAUSE I KEPT, UH, RE REACHING INTO MY LEFT POCKET TO PAY MY RIGHT POCKET, YOU KNOW? MM-HMM . UM, THE OTHER THING THAT I, THAT I ASK IS THAT, UM, UM, OKAY, THE, THE BUSINESS PLAN THAT, AND HAVE YOU EVER HAD ANY ANGEL INVESTORS INVOLVED IN, IN ANY OF YOUR PROCESSES AT ALL? NOT WITH THE CITY OF COCOA. THAT IS ENTIRELY CITY FUNDING. AND THEN THE CRA, THAT'S KIND OF TWO POTS OF MONEY FROM THEM. WE VENTURE WORKS WITH PRIVATE INVESTORS. MOST OF OUR INVESTMENT DOES COME FROM THE BANKS ARE OUR LARGEST INVESTORS. OKAY. FOLKS LIKE WELLS FARGO, BANK OF AMERICA, AND THEN INDIVIDUALS. I WOULDN'T SAY THAT, UM, THE TYPES OF BUSINESSES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND THAT SMALL BUSINESS ARE VERY IMPACTFUL FOR OUR COMMUNITIES, BUT THEY ARE NOT GROWTH ORIENTED TO THE POINT THAT MOST INVESTORS, MOST ANGEL INVESTORS OR VC WANT A 10 X 20 X RETURN ON THEIR DOLLAR. AND THE TYPES OF SMALL BUSINESSES THAT WE ALL KNOW AND LOVE AND WORK WITH AND BRAG ABOUT WHEN THEY, YOU KNOW, BUILD A COUPLE THOUSAND SQUARE FEET AND HIRE 40 PEOPLE, OR WE GET EXCITED IF THEY GET OVER THAT 50 THRESHOLD. UM, THEY'RE NOT VENTURE BACKED SBA LOANS. AND, AND WHAT COUNCILMAN SMITH AND I WORK WITH AS A PART OF THE SBA TO HELP DIRECT SMALL BUSINESSES TO ADEQUATELY LEVERAGE THE SBA LOAN PRODUCTS AND WORKING CAPITAL IS THE MORE LIKELY WAY THAT THEY'LL GET INVESTMENT. AND AS I MENTIONED, REALLY GETTING INVESTMENT UNDER $50,000 IS NEAR IMPOSSIBLE. THERE, THERE'S ALMOST NO BANKS AND THERE'S ALMOST NO PRODUCTS THAT ARE OUT THERE FOR SMALLER DOLLAR INVESTMENTS. SO THAT'S KIND OF A GAP THAT THE CITY CAN HELP FILL. YEAH. IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE I WORKED FOR, UH, INCUBATOR AND SO WE HAD PLENTY OF, UH, ANGELS, YOU KNOW, SO, BUT, UH, HOWEVER, UM, THAT'S MY ONLY, UH, COMMENTS RIGHT NOW IS THAT A, A, A TEMPLATE AS TO WHAT, UH, YOU WOULD PRESENT TO, UH, THE, UM, TO THE CRA AND, UH, A HOLD HANDING PROCESS OF SORTS TO HELP THEM WALK, TO HELP WALK THEM THROUGH IT TO SEE IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE, UM, ENCOURAGED OR, OR, OR WANT TO GO THE OTHER WAY. UM, BECAUSE MOST OF THE C PEOPLE ON THE CRA BOARD DOWN THERE ARE STRUGGLING THEMSELVES MM-HMM . TO, TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DOWNTOWN MELBOURNE WORK, AND AS YOU'VE SEEN YOU GO THROUGH THERE, WE, WE HAVE SOME CHALLENGES JUST IN OF THEMSELVES DOWN THERE, WITHIN THE CRA THAT WE ARE TRYING TO, UH, UH, SOLVE. OF COURSE, YOU KNOW. BUT I THINK THAT ANY, ANY PROCESS THAT GROWS THE ECONOMY, THAT GIVES AN AN OPPORTUNITY TO A PERSON, WELCOME TO AMERICA HERE, OPEN YOUR OWN BUSINESS. MM-HMM . I DID 15 YEARS AGO, AND BY THE GRACE OF GOD HERE I SIT, YOU KNOW, I HAD NO FUNDING. I HAD NO NOTHING. I, I, I, IT STARTED OUTTA THE TRUNK OF MY CAR AND NOW I'VE GOT THREE TRUCKS. SO, I MEAN, HARD WORK AND DEDICATION IS WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO. AND IF PEOPLE GOT, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE EXTRA BUCKS IN THEIR POCKET, THEY CAN, UH, THROW THAT WAY. UH, AND GUIDANCE. I HAD NO GUIDANCE OTHER THAN MY WIFE TO TELL ME, GET OUT OF BED, GO TO WORK, COME BACK AT 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ABOUT IT. . SO, I, I, I'M OPEN TO ALL THE SUGGESTIONS AND ALL THE IDEAS. I, I REALLY AM. BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT IT'S GOTTA GO TO CRA FIRST AND THEY'VE GOTTA, THEY, THEY'VE GOTTA VET IT AND THEN IT'S GOTTA COME BACK TO US. ALL RIGHT. GREAT. DO WE HAVE, SO FOR THE PURPOSE OF MOVING ON, DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO GIVE THE DIRECTION THAT JENNY WAS DISCUSSION? THANK YOU ALL. SARAH, CATHERINE. GREAT. GREAT. GOOD DISCUSSION. ALRIGHT, GREAT. THANK YOU. UH, ALRIGHT. THANKS CATHERINE. YEAH. ALRIGHT. APPRECIATE YES. MOVING, ABSOLUTELY. MOVING ON TO ITEM 21. AND, UH, THIS IS ACTUALLY MORE SO A CO THING, EVEN THOUGH IT SAYS MY NAME ON IT WITH ME AND MR. LARUSSO FOR THE, UH, THE SPECIAL ACTIVITY PERMIT PROCESSING. 'CAUSE WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT, JOHN'S BEEN SITTING HERE ALL NIGHT TODAY. I KNOW. I FEEL SO BAD FOR YOU, MAN. YOU'VE BEEN A TROOPER. UM, BUT, UM, ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE ON THE SPECIAL ACTIVITY PERMITS AND THERE'S TWO, TWO CONFLICT, OR NOT CONFLICTING, TWO DIFFERENT PIECES THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. ONE WHICH JOHN HAD MENTIONED EARLIER WAS TRYING TO EXPAND INSTEAD OF IT JUST BEING SIX, UM, PERMITS THAT AN INDIVIDUAL CAN PULL INTO 12, AT LEAST ONE PER YEAR. AND THEN THE DOWNTOWN MELBOURNE BUSINESSES HAVE BEEN HAVING SOME ISSUES. 'CAUSE WHEN THERE'S A STREET CLOSURE EVENT FOR DOWNTOWN, USUALLY IT TAKES UP A GOOD PORTION OF THE MAIN STREET. THE STREETS BECOME CLOSED FROM FRIDAY EVENING ALL THE WAY THROUGH TILL THE END OF THE DAY ON SATURDAY. AND IT COULD VARY FROM LARGE FESTIVALS LIKE MEGA O'MALLEY'S, UM, IRISH, UM, ST. PATRICK'S DAY FESTIVAL, ST. PATRICK'S DAY FESTIVAL, ALL THE WAY TO SOMETHING VERY, VERY SMALL. AND THE VERY SMALL [03:45:01] ONES DISRUPT BUSINESS ACTIVITY, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'RE CLOSED. THE STREETS ARE CLOSED FOR A GOOD FRIDAY AFTERNOON ALL THE WAY THROUGH SATURDAY. SO IF THERE WAS A WAY FOR US TO, UM, MAKE SURE THAT OUR MAIN STREET WAS CLOSED DOWN ONLY FOR LARGER EVENTS, WAS THE, WAS THE ASK IN SOME WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM. SO THAT'S SETTING THE TABLE FOR THE DISCUSSION. I DON'T KNOW, MARK, DID YOU WANT TO GIVE A LITTLE OF YOUR INSIGHT ON YOUR PORTION? JUST, JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT, THAT JOHN'S UH, UH, INTRACOASTAL BREWERY IS, IS A UNIQUE, UH, ANIMAL UNTO ITSELF. THEY'VE GOT A LARGE PARKING LOT AND, AND, UH, AREA, WE'VE ALL BEEN THERE. UH, WE KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. UM, AND SO THEY CAN SECTION OFF CERTAIN PARTS OF IT, LIKE THE BON JOVI ALL THE WAY DOWN TO A DOG, TO A DOG SHOW, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO, UH, RIGHT. ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY. BUT THEY'RE LIMITED TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT ONLY SIX TIMES A YEAR. SO, I MEAN, ARE, IS THERE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS OR NOT, BUT IS THERE LEVELS OF ACTIVITY PERMITTING THAT COULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THE THINKING? SO LIKE THE BIG ACTIVITY PERMIT CLOSES DOWN THE STREET, THE MEDIUM ACTIVITY PERMIT CLOSES DOWN, UH, JUST AN AREA AROUND THE BUSINESS. AND THEN THE THIRD, UH, ACTIVITY PERMIT WOULD BE, UH, UM, PREMISES PROPERTY SPECIFIC RIGHT. WHERE IT IS ON. SO, SO WE HAVE A TIERED, UH, UH, ADDRESS TO IT SO THAT HE'S NOT STUCK WITH, BECAUSE YOU THINK I GOTTA SHUT DOWN HIGHLAND AVENUE. IT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, NOT AT ALL. BUT HE CAN, HE CAN, UM, UH, CREATE AN ENVIRONMENT FOR A SPECIAL ACTIVITY THAT WOULD ONLY ENCOMPASS HIS OWN PROPERTY. MM-HMM . BUT HE'S LIMITED BECAUSE OF, UH, THE, THE CODE THAT WE, THAT WE FOLLOW BY. SO THAT'S JUST ONE THING I WAS THINKING ABOUT, SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. I DON'T, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT THRESHOLD WOULD LOOK LIKE OR HOW IT WOULD LOOK. YEAH. 'CAUSE I, I'M JUST NOT THAT SMART, YOU KNOW? BUT I MEAN, I LIKE THE THINKING NOW. I THINK THAT'S, BUT I, I, I THINK THERE'S A, THERE'S SOME, SOME MOVEMENT THERE THAT, THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT EASIER FOR SOME OF OUR SMALL BUSINESSES. AND, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS MAKE IT EASIER FOR THEM. MM-HMM . LIKE I SAID, I, AND I'M, I'M PROUD OF WHAT, OF WHAT I DO AND, AND HOW I'VE GOTTEN HERE. UM, BUT I WILL TELL YOU, IT'S BEEN ABSOLUTELY BRUTAL. THIS, THIS, THIS ECONOMY HAS BEEN HORRIBLE THIS PAST, UH, SIX MONTHS, EIGHT MONTHS, UH, HOSPITALITY RESTAURANT. MM-HMM . FORGET IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, SO EVERY LITTLE NUGGET WE CAN OFFER MM-HMM . THE BUSINESSES IN THIS CITY, THERE'S 3,426, I BELIEVE WE, I FOUND OUT THAT NUMBER REGISTERED BUSINESSES, UH, IN ANOTHER, UM, AGENDA ITEM THAT HAPPENED A COUPLE MONTHS AGO. UM, SO OUT OF THE 3,426 MAYBE, UH, YOU KNOW, 426 NEED THE HELP THAT WE'RE, WE'RE, THAT WE COULD PROVIDE, MA'AM. SO I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE TIERED SYSTEM. IF YOU'RE NOT CLOSING DOWN THE STREET, YOU'RE NOT CLOSING DOWN ANYTHING, WHY WOULD WE LIMIT AT ALL? RIGHT? RIGHT. UM, IF WE'RE CLOSING DOWN THE STREETS, I CAN SEE WHERE SOME OF THE BUSINESSES MIGHT GET HINDERED. UM, BUT MY QUESTION IS, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT IF WE HAVE A BUSINESS IN DOWNTOWN, A GALLEY THAT YOU'RE CLOSING DOWN HIGHLAND AVENUE? AND DOES THAT MEAN THAT WE'RE LIMITED WITH THIS TO SIX WITH IN ALL OUR BUSINESSES, OR EACH BUSINESS GETS SIX? 'CAUSE THAT CAN BE A WHOLE LOT OF CLOSING DOWN THE STREETS TOO. SO I'M NOT SURE THAT WOULD EVEN HELP. MY UNDERSTANDING WAS IT WAS EACH BUSINESS GETS SIX. IS THAT RIGHT, KEVIN? YES. EXCUSE ME. SO THE FREQUENCY AND DURATION OF EVENTS THAT'S BEING REFERRED TO IS FOR EVENTS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. MM-HMM . SO WHEN IT COMES TO EVENTS HELD ON CITY PROPERTY, THERE IS NO FREQUENCY. HENCE, UH, THE OLD FRIDAY FEST. RIGHT. WHICH OCCURRED EVERY MONTH. THERE'S NO FREQUENCY REQUIREMENT. THAT FREQUENCY REQUIREMENT IS FOR ONSITE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. THE IDEA THERE IS, UM, AT LEAST HISTORICALLY HAS BEEN, UM, YOU DRIVE THROUGH CERTAIN COMMUNITIES WHERE YOU SEE BANNERS, TEMPORARY SIGNS AND FLAGS ON THE BUSINESS YEAR ROUND. AND THE CONCEPT HERE WAS COUNCIL AT THE TIME, OVER THE YEARS HAS SAID, WE, WE DON'T WANT THAT SORT OF ACTIVITY MORE THAN 30 DAYS PER CALENDAR YEAR. SO THE ON BUSINESS SITE, PRIVATE PROPERTY ELEMENT THAT FREQUENCY IS, IS TO LIMIT THAT SORT OF ACTIVITY. IT'S OBVIOUSLY MERGED OVER THE YEARS TO PARKING LOT PARTIES AND OTHER EVENTS WHERE BUSINESSES MIGHT EXTEND ALCOHOL, UH, SALES OUTSIDE OF THEIR LICENSE PREMISE. BUT THAT'S SORT OF THE, THE INTENT. BUT I JUST WANNA DISTINGUISH THERE IS SORT OF ALREADY A TIERED SYSTEM FROM THE PURPOSE, FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF PRIVATE PROPERTY EVENTS VERSUS EVENTS ON CITY PROPERTY. SO IF, UM, LET'S BRING IT BACK DOWN TO DOWNTOWN MELBOURNE. SO IF LIKE MEGA O'MALLEY'S, 'CAUSE THEY HAVE THEIR MM-HMM . PARTIES OR PERMITS EACH YEAR, UM, THEIR PARTY MAYBE INSIDE THEIR ESTABLISHMENT, [03:50:01] BUT THEN THEY BRING IT OUT TO THE STREET. NOW WE'RE ON CITY PROPERTY, THE STREET. SO NOW THERE'S NO LIMIT. CORRECT. THE, THE FREQUENCY AND DURATION, UH, IS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. SO MEGA O'MALLEY'S WANTING TO PUT A BANNER ABOVE THEIR DOORS ON THEIR FACADE WOULD BE ON THEIR PROPERTY AND WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE 30 DAY REQUIREMENT. BUT EXTENDING INTO THE STREET, THE EVENT IS HELD ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. OF COURSE THERE'S ACTIVITY INSIDE THE RESTAURANT, BUT THE PERMITTED ACTIVITY, THE SPECIAL ACTIVITY PERMIT IS FOR THE ACTIVITY OUTDOORS, WHICH IS HELD ON THE STREET. SO THERE'S NO FREQUENCY REQUIREMENT. COULD THEY HOLD IT FOUR WEEKENDS A MONTH OR SIX MONTHS IN A ROW? PROBABLY, UH, LANGUAGE IN THE CODE ALREADY THAT SAYS WE WOULDN'T HAVE THE SERVICES TO PROVIDE THEM TO DO THAT. UM, BUT THE FREQUENCY REQUIREMENT IS SPECIFICALLY FOR PRIVATE PROPERTY. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HELPS YOUR NOT BLOCKING OFF THE STREETS. RIGHT, BECAUSE WELL, BECAUSE THE, IF THE, IF THE ACTIVITY IS OUTSIDE INTO THE STREETS RIGHT, THEN THERE'S NO FREQUENCY. THERE'S NO FREQUENCY. SO THAT RIGHT. HOW, HOW DOES THE C THE, I DON'T KNOW, CRA THERE, THE MERCHANTS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, HOW, WHAT ARE THEY SAYING ABOUT IT? THEY'RE, THEY'RE SAYING THAT BECAUSE THE BROAD IS CLOSED IN THE AFTERNOON OR FRIDAY GOING ALL THE WAY THROUGH SATURDAY, IT'S IMPACTING THE ABILITIES OF THEIR CUSTOMERS TO ACCESS THEIR BUSINESS. BECAUSE THERE'S NO GUARANTEE IF THEY'RE, WHETHER IT WAS A RAIN OUT OR WHETHER IT'S JUST A LOW TURNOUT EVENT AS OPPOSED TO A LARGER SCALE EVENT WHERE PEOPLE ARE FREQUENTING IT, THEY'RE TREATED THE SAME ON THE ROAD CLOSURE. SO UNFORTUNATELY THEIR THEIR CUSTOMER, WE KNOW, WHICH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PROBLEM IS THOUGH, I'M SURE THAT THERE'S, UH, WE'VE ALL GONE TO THE EVENT WHERE YOU THOUGHT THERE WAS GONNA BE MORE PEOPLE THERE AND THERE WASN'T. AND THEN WE'VE GONE TO SAY, THERE'S, THIS SHOULD BE A SMALL EVENT, AND YOU'RE LIKE, OH MY. YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S KIND OF A HARD THING TO SAY. WHICH, WHO'S GONNA BE THE BIG EVENT? WHO'S GONNA BE THE LITTLE EVENT NOW? WAS IT THE CORVETTE CLUB OR WAS IT THE JEEP CLUB RECENTLY? CORVETTE. CORVETTE. AND HOW DID THAT GO? I MEAN, I DON'T, IT WAS COOL. THEY SEEMED, THEY SEEMED TO BE FINE WITH THAT ONE. IT WAS MORE SO THERE WAS A FEW SCATTERED ONES AROUND IN BETWEEN THAT SEEMED TO HAVE JUST LIKE, ONE WAS, I THINK, COMPETING WITH EVENT IN PALM BAY. IT WAS LIKE THE SAME EVENT, BUT IN PALM BAY. AND I GUESS THEY'RE LIKE, HOW IT, IT MADE NO SENSE FOR MELBOURNE BECAUSE EVERYONE WAS NOT IN MELBOURNE THAT DAY. AND SO IF, YEAH, IT'S LIKE HOW DO WE, YEAH. IT, IT'S LIKE HOW DO WE SAY TO THAT PERSON GOING, OH, I'M SORRY. YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE, NOBODY'S GONNA SHOW UP AT YOUR EVENT 'CAUSE EVERYBODY'S GONNA HAVE IT DOWN IN PALM BAY. THAT'S A HARD, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A HARD ONE. AND IT COULD BE JUST A ROAD CLOSURE THING. 'CAUSE EVEN IF YOU PROVIDE SOME RELIEF OF, HEY, CAN WE PUT THE MAKE THE ROAD CLOSURE IN, INTO THE EVENING INSTEAD OF THE AFTERNOON OR FRIDAY, MAYBE THAT'S EVEN SOME RELIEF THAT WE CAN DO. 'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S HURTING THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE LOSING TWO A DAY AND A HALF, YOU KNOW, OF, OF BUSINESS. USUALLY THEY CLOSE AT WHAT FI WHAT TIME DO YOU USUALLY DO THE CLOSING, KEVIN? FIVE O'CLOCK. THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERING DIVISION TRIES TO FIND THE LEAST IMPACTFUL TIME TO CLOSE THE ROAD IN CONJUNCTION WITH, CONSIDERING HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE TO SET UP THE EVENT. RIGHT. SO WE HAVE SOME APPLICANTS THAT SAY WE'D LIKE TO CLOSE THE ROAD FRIDAY AND NOON. NOT, NOT A, NOT A GOOD IDEA. WE'D, WE'D PROBABLY HAVE THEM CLOSE IT AT FIVE OR 6:00 AM ON FRIDAY BEFORE WE DO THAT. AND THEN OFTENTIMES IT'S THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERING STAFF COMING OUT AT TWO OR THREE IN THE MORNING AFTER THE BAR'S CLOSED TO ALLOW CARS TO LEAVE THE EVENT AREA AND, AND TO THEN CLOSE THE ROAD. SO WE'RE ATTEMPTING TO DO THAT ON A REGULAR BASIS. THERE ARE LARGER EVENTS THAT WE INSTITUTE A DECOMPRESSION AREA SO THAT WE CAN FUNNEL PEOPLE FROM A LARGE EVENT AREA INTO OPEN ROADWAY SO THEY CAN EVENTUALLY MAKE THEIR WAY TO THE SIDEWALK. WE CLOSE THAT LATER THAN WE DO THE MAIN EVENT AREA. SO WE HAVE LESS IMPACT ON THE BUSINESS. UM, BUT OBVIOUSLY ANY SORT OF ROAD CLOSURE IS GONNA, SO WHAT'S THE PROCESS IF SOMEBODY SAYS, I WANNA CLOSE THE ROAD AT 1:00 PM ON FRIDAY, BUT YOU KNOW, THEY REALLY DON'T NEED IT CLOSED UNTIL SATURDAY, WHENEVER IN THE MORNING. HOW DO YOU, CAN ARE, IS YOUR OFFICE ABLE TO DENY THAT REQUEST OR IS IT A STRONG SUGGESTION? PLEASE DON'T DO THAT. I WOULDN'T SAY WE DENY IT. I WOULD SAY YOUR OPTIONS ARE TO CLOSE IT AT 6:00 AM ON FRIDAY. UH, OR 2:00 AM OKAY. SO, YOU KNOW, AND WHICH WOULD ALLOW YOU, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD WORK TO FIGURE OUT A COMPROMISE, I GUESS I WOULD SAY. OKAY. THAT WOULD BE, FROM OUR POINT OF VIEW, THE LEAST IMPACTFUL TO DOWNTOWN AND THE AVAILABILITY OF THE STAFF TO DO THE WORK AND, AND THEN ALLOW THE OP OPPORTUNITY FOR THE EVENT TO ACTUALLY BE SET UP. SO WE WOULDN'T OBVIOUSLY ALLOW SOMEONE TO CLOSE THE ROAD AT 3:00 AM SURE. WITH AN EVENT OPENING AT SIX AND THEY NEED STAGES AND ALL THAT SORT OF STUFF. SURE. SO WE WOULD TAKE ALL THAT. I SORT DUNNO WHAT YOUR CONSTRAINTS ARE IF YOU EVEN CAN. IT'S OUR ROAD. SO IT'S, IT'S OUR ABILITY TO SAY THAT'S A GREAT IDEA, BUT THAT'S NOT GONNA WORK. HOW ABOUT THIS? WELL, AS A SOLUTION THEN, JUST MORE IF THE LIST OF, IF BUSINESSES CAN GIVE CERTAIN EVENTS THAT THIS IS HAPPENING AT THAT WE'RE ABLE TO MONITOR THE CLOSURES YEAH. A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE . YEAH, [03:55:01] ABSOLUTELY. I MEAN, THE PERMIT AGREEMENTS ARE WRITTEN WITH CERTAIN CONDITIONS AND I MET WITH THE BUSINESS OWNER ON MONDAY WHO EXPRESSED CONCERN, UH, FOLLOWING AN EVENT. I TOLD THAT BUSINESS OWNER THE SAME THING I'LL TELL YOU, WHICH IS WE, IF, IF THOSE COMPLAINTS ARE HAPPENING, THEY'RE NOT MAKING IT TO THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE. MM-HMM . I'LL TELL YOU, IF YOU WERE ON THE DAAS A COUPLE YEARS AGO WHEN WE REVAMPED THE PROCESS, THE ASSISTANT CITY CLERK AND I AT THE TIME WALKED DOWNTOWN AND SPOKE TO ABOUT 50 TO 75 BUSINESS OWNERS. HALF HATE THE EVENTS, HALF OF THEM. RIGHT. UM, SOME SAY THEY, THEY'RE WALKING THE EVENT AREAS AND PASSING OUT 10% OFF COUPONS FOR COMING BACK NEXT TIME. SOME SAY THEY CLOSE THEIR DOORS BECAUSE THEY CAN'T PARK IN FRONT OF THEIR BUSINESS AND IT'S, IT'S A DIFFICULT NEEDLE TO THREAD. WELL IN THE, IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, I WONDER, SO SAY MELBOURNE MAIN STREET HAS A SURVEY OUT THAT'S NOT COMPLETELY FINISHED THAT THEY WANTED TO PRESENT TO US OR GIVE TO US ANYWAY FOR CONSIDERATION, IF WE COULD HEAR OUT MR. LAR RUSSO'S, UM, AND ALI'S REQUEST AND THEN JUST BRING THAT BACK FOR A FUTURE MEETING. WOULD EVERYONE BE YES. AVAILABLE TO THAT MM-HMM . OKAY. SO ON HIS END, IT'S, SO HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE WANNA WORD THE DIRECTION OF STAFF FOR THE ALI PORTION AND THEN WE'LL PUT THIS ON THE NEXT PAGE. POSTPONE TO OH, YOU WANT, YOU WANNA POSTPONE BOTH? YEAH. OH, OH, DO WE WANNA POSTPONE BOTH OR WE WANNA START ON THE AL BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE COULD AT LEAST GIVE 'EM DIRECTION ON THE ALI PORTION, UM, TODAY SINCE WE SEEM TO KNOW THAT WE JUST WANTED DON'T DON'T, YOU CAN JUST SAY ONE THE ALI PORTION RATHER THAN THE MALWARE PORTION. IT HAS TO BE BE, WELL AGAIN, YOU CAN'T JUST DO ONE. WELL, I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE A MODEL, NOT NECESSARILY SPECI PLACE SPECIFIC, BUT A MODEL THAT MATCHES WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, UH, JOHN IS BRINGING TO THE TABLE HERE. YEAH, BUT I I'M, I'M JUST SAYING YOU CAN'T SAY, OH, IT'S ONLY THE GONNA BE A BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING TO YOU. IT WOULD BE A MODEL THAT COULD BE SPECIFIC TO THE ENTIRE CITY. SO THAT SMALL CHANGE THAT WOULD HAPPEN FOR HIM RIGHT. COULD HAPPEN FOR EVERYBODY. RIGHT. WITHIN THE CITY, NOT JUST ALI. YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. AND THEN IF, IF, IF SCALING IT UP OR DOWN IS, IS A, UM, A FEASIBLE PROCESS FOR US, THEN WE CAN DO THAT STEP BY STEP I THINK. BUT AT LEAST WE CAN GIVE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE SMALLER FOLKS, UH, SOME RELIEF IF I MAY. SO IT, WHAT IT, WHAT I, WHAT I'M TAKING AWAY FROM THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE FREQUENCY OF EVENTS ONSITE AND TIERS OF ACTIVITY, I, I THINK THAT THERE MAY BE AT LEAST TWO OPPORTUNITIES TO, TO REVIEW CODE LANGUAGE. ONE WITH THE DEFINITION OF WHAT A BUSINESS PROMOTION IS. 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW, AND, AND KEVIN CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, RIGHT? THAT'S A VERY, VERY LOW SCALE OF, OF SPECIAL EVENT, A TEMPORARY SIGN, A BANNER. UM, SO, SO THAT IT'S A VERY, THAT THAT BUSINESS PROMOTION CONCEPT IS, IS VERY LOW. AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE BEYOND THAT IS A SPECIAL ACT TO THE EXTENT, TO THE EXTENT THAT CITY SERVICES ARE NECESSARY. UM, THERE'S, UH, SOME AMOUNT OF EXPECTATION OF, UH, UH, CROWD BEYOND WHAT THE, WHAT THE BUSINESS SITE WOULD, WOULD NORMALLY, UM, ENTAIL. OR, YOU KNOW, USUALLY, USUALLY WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT ONSITE THINGS, RIGHT, PEOPLE START USING THEIR REQUIRED PARKING SPACES FOR SOMETHING OTHER THAN PARKING, RIGHT? MM-HMM . AND THAT STARTS TRIGGERING THIS NEED FOR, ALRIGHT, YOU'RE, YOU'RE PUSHING SOME IMPACT OFF OF YOUR SITE BECAUSE YOU WANNA DO SOMETHING ELSE OTHER THAN WHAT'S WHAT'S NORMALLY THERE. RIGHT? AND SO THAT'S WHERE, AGAIN, IT STARTS LOOKING LIKE, AND, AND SO AGAIN, RIGHT. IF, IF WE NEED TO EITHER CHANGE WHAT A BUSINESS PROMOTION IS AND INCREASE THE INTENSITY OF WHAT THAT IS AND, AND PER PERHAPS WHAT'S AVAILABLE IN THE FREQUENCY AND DURATION WITH THAT, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT IF WE START ADDING DIFFERENT TIERS, RIGHT? IF THERE'S BUSINESS PROMOTION ONE, BUSINESS PROMOTION TWO, BUSINESS PROMOTION THREE, UH, SO, SO AGAIN, RIGHT. I THINK IT'S, UH, WHAT I'M HEARING, AND, AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IT'S, IT'S SOUNDING LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO IDENTIFY DIFFERENT INTENSITIES OF SPECIAL EVENT MM-HMM . AND THEN POTENTIALLY ALSO TIERING THE FREQUENCY UPON WHICH THOSE, THOSE TYPES OF EVENTS CAN OCCUR WITHIN PRIVATE PROPERTY SITES. YOU GOT IT. YEP. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE, THE, THE, THE BULLSEYE OF THAT ONE. OKAY. KEVIN, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WITHIN, WITHIN WHAT I JUST SAID THAT, THAT WE NEED TO ASK COUNSEL FOR DIRECTION ON OR, OR, OR WE NEED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION AT THIS TIME? I DON'T THINK SO. I THINK YOU'RE ON TRACK WITH THE BUSINESS PROMOTIONS. I THINK WE PROBABLY HAVE SOMEWHAT OF A TIERED LEVEL ALREADY INPUT. SO THAT SHOULD BE RELATIVELY EASY. AND IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE, IF COUNCIL'S COMFORT IS, WELL, WE DON'T MIND SIGNS BEING UP, UM, FOR LONGER THAN THE, SO THE TH AND LET ME JUST PREFACE THE 30 DAYS IN, IN A CALENDAR YEAR IS THE FREQUENCY AND THE WHERE, WHERE THE SIX EVENTS IS COMING FROM IS THE CODE IS WRITTEN TO SAY THOSE 30 DAYS ARE GIVEN OUT IN FIVE DAY INCREMENTS. RIGHT? WE, WE WOULDN'T POSSIBLY BE ABLE TO TRACK THE HUNDREDS OF PERMITS. WE ISSUE WITH SOMEONE COMING IN AND SAYING, I'M GONNA HAVE A PERMIT ONE DAY AND [04:00:01] THEN TWO DAYS HERE AND THREE DAYS HERE. THEY'RE GIVEN OUT IN, IN FIVE DAY INCREMENTS. SO WHEN INTRACOASTAL BREWERY DOES ONE PARKING LOT PARTY MM-HMM . THEIR FIVE DAYS IS EXPENDED IN THAT ONE EVENT BECAUSE WE, IT'S JUST, IT'S THE WAY IT'S BEEN WRITTEN. EASE OF TRACKING AND ALL THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. SO IF THE FREQUENCY WAS 60 DAYS, WE WOULD ALSO WANT CLARIFICATION ON, ARE YOU STILL LOOKING FOR US TO DO THOSE FIVE DAY INCREMENTS? WOULD IT BE JUST WHATEVER THE BUSINESS WANTS, THAT SORT OF DIRECTION. BUT THAT, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S NEEDED TODAY. OKAY. IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GOOD THERE AND THEN WE COULD PUSH THE MELBOURNE PORTION TO A FUTURE MEETING. WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON THAT AS WELL WHEN WE GET THE INFORMATION FROM ME. PERFECT. ALRIGHT. I WOULD SAY, I WOULD SAY THAT SECOND PART IS MORE JUST ROAD CLOSURES GENERALLY, RIGHT? YES. ROAD. I THINK FOR, WELL, ESPECIALLY FOR BOTH DOWNTOWN AREAS, RIGHT? CORRECT. AND I THINK MUCH LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, TIME PLACE AND MANNER RESTRICTIONS ON CITY PARKS FOR LARGE GROUP FEEDINGS, THAT SAME CONCEPT'S GONNA APPLY TO THIS, TO THIS ROAD CLOSURE CONCEPT. RIGHT? WE'RE, WE'RE IN IT THERE. THE, THE WAY THAT THE CODE IS WRITTEN NOW IS VERY MUCH BASED ON SPECIAL ACTIVITY CODE AND, AND FIRST AMENDMENT CONSIDERATIONS NOW. SO AS, AS THERE IS ADDITIONAL COUNSEL DIRECTION OR QUESTIONS ON THAT, THERE WILL DEFINITELY BE SOME LEGAL RESEARCH NECESSARY TO, TO BRING BACK OPTIONS ON THAT, ON THAT PORTION. GREAT. DO YOU GUYS HAVE WHAT YOU NEED TO MOVE TO, FOR US TO GO TO 22? YEAH, I THINK SO. OKAY. PERFECT. ALRIGHT. GOING ON TO ITEM 22. UH, SO GIVE THE MAN SOME DIRECTION. VICE MAYOR, TELL HIM WHAT HE IS DOING. WHAT, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? WHAT IS HE DOING? HE, HE'S GONNA HAVE A GOOD NIGHT, LIKE YEAH, HE'S GOOD TO GO. COOL. THANK YOU. JUST IN CASE HE HAD ANY QUESTIONS HE DIDN'T. THANK YOU FOR STAYING. THANK YOU GUYS. YEP. GREAT. I DON'T, I REMEMBER 22 VICE. MA'AM, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT WE COULD, UM, MOVE THESE A COUPLE? 'CAUSE WE HAVE TWO MORE DISCUSSIONS. IT IS TO M 35, UM, RESCHEDULE THEM AT ALL? WELL, WE'VE GOT FOUR ITEMS TOTAL LEFT. SO MY, I'M, I'M GONNA ASK MINE TO BE RESCHEDULED. OKAY. DO WE, SO I ALREADY HAVE ONE THAT'S PUSHED AND JEN, JENNY, WHAT ABOUT THE TWO? THAT TWO GUYS SAID THAT WE, ONE WAS HEARD FOR OR LISTED AS BEING A PUBLIC MEETING TONIGHT. OKAY. THAT WOULD BE ITEM 24. SO WE, WE ARE RECOMMENDING POSTPONING THAT. SO THAT WILL TAKE SECONDS. WE WON'T GO THROUGH THE WHOLE STAFF REPORT THEN WE'LL JUST RECOMMEND TO POSTPONE TO DECEMBER 9TH. BUT THE OTHER ONE, THE BLUE MEMO, WE DO NEED A FEW MINUTES ON SAY THE, THE BLUE MEMO FOR ITEM 20 SIX'S. THE 1 26 THAT ADD ON SIX. YEAH. WE DON'T NEED TO GO OVER EVERY SINGLE WORD. IT, WE JUST NEED DIRECTION ON. DOES COUNCIL WANT TO CONSIDER THAT? AND IF WE DON'T DECIDE TONIGHT, WE HAVE MISSED THE WINDOW TO DO IT. SURE. AT ALL. CAN WE GO TO 26? CAN WE DO 26 RIGHT NOW? SO WE CAN, AND THAT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT YOU NEED. THAT'D BE GREAT IF I COULD FIND IT. WELL, WELL LET'S, LET'S, LET'S, THE, THAT'S WHAT I WANNA MAKE SURE. LET'S FIRST MOVE, WE COULD GO THROUGH ORDERS. SO WHAT I'LL DO IS I'LL POSTPONE THE CODE OF CONDUCT UNTIL A FUTURE MEETING. YES, MR. SMITH, PLEASE, PLEASE POSTPONE 23 TO FUTURE MEETING. DO I HAVE CONSENSUS TO POSTPONE THOSE? OKAY. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 24. 24. THANK YOU GUYS. WELL, I MIGHT NOT BE HERE FOR OKAY THAT, SO IF I COULD DO ANY OF MINE ON THE 20 DECEMBER SURE. OR THE SECOND MEETING. DECEMBER, EITHER SECOND MEETING. NOVEMBER, DECEMBER. OKAY. YOU, I'LL LET YOUR DISCRETION. OKAY, YOU'RE GONE. AND THEN WHAT ABOUT JUST IN HAWAII? SAME, I MEAN, BE IN HAWAII. WE, WE COULD, WE COULD TALK ABOUT IT COULD BE A T-SHIRT. YEAH. LEMME GET ANOTHER TIME. SO, UM, I'M GONNA GET, SEE IF I CAN PEOPLE HERE. GREAT. AND THEN, ALRIGHT, SO MOVING TO ITEM 24. YES. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE MR. ES PRESENTING 26 YOU. 24. WE GOTTA DO 24. OH MY BAD. I'M LOSING MY VOICE ENTIRELY. NOW, VICE MAYOR COUNCIL MR. ES AS, UH, PART OF THE CITY'S MANAGER REPORT TO CITY COUNCIL. ON AUGUST 12TH, 2025, STAFF RECEIVED CONSENSUS FROM COUNSEL TO PROCEED WITH THE DISPOSAL OF A CITY OWNED PARCEL AT 10 15 WH JACKSON. IT'S ACTUALLY A SMALL PARCEL THAT, UH, FRONTS OR SIT IN THE, UH, 10 15 WH JACKSON PROPERTY AND, UH, THE ROADWAY. IT IS A REMNANT OF, UH, A LAND SWAP PROCESS THAT THE CITY DID, UH, MANY, MANY YEARS AGO WITH, UH, HABITAT FOR HUMANITY THAT, UH, CONSTRUCTED THAT, UH, PARTICULAR HOME. THE NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE CITY OWNED PARCEL WAS ADVERTISED ON AUGUST 24TH, 2025 WITH 30 DAYS SUBMITTAL DEADLINE OF SEPTEMBER 22ND. UH, ADDITIONALLY, THE NOTICE TO PUBLIC HEARING ESTABLISHED THAT THE DISPOSITION OF THE PROPERTY WILL BE BACK, BROUGHT BACK BEFORE CITY COUNCIL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. AT THE REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING SCHEDULED FOR OCTOBER 28TH, 2025, UH, STAFF RECEIVED ONE PROPOSAL WITH AN OFFER FOR $1,000 FOR THE CITY OWNED PARCEL. HOWEVER, THE CITY HAS, WE HAVE EXPRESSED ADDITIONAL INTEREST IN THE PRIVATELY OWNED PARCEL LOCATED TO 10 15 WH JACKSON, WHICH NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED PRIOR TO THE DISPOSITION OF THE CITY OWNED PARCEL. UH, CURRENTLY THE, UH, 10 15 WH JACKSON IS THE PARCEL [04:05:01] REPRESENTED IN RED. UH, THE PARCEL THAT WAS, UH, PUT FORTH FOR DISPOSAL IS THAT SMALL, UH, RECTANGULAR BLUE SLIVER THAT'S ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. THE CITY OF MELBOURNE OWNS A, UM, A LARGER, UH, PROPERTY THAN BLUE, UH, TO THE SOUTH SIDE. UH, WE HAVE AN EXISTING DRAINAGE DITCH THAT GOES THROUGH THERE. UH, THIS IS ALSO A LOW SPOT IN THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD THAT, UM, BASICALLY ACTS AS A SUMP FOR THE DRAINAGE. UH, SO ONE OF THE ASPECTS THAT WE WERE LOOKING TO RESOLVE HERE IS TO FORMALLY SECURE DRAINAGE RIGHTS, UH, THROUGH THERE TO FORMALLY DOCUMENT WHAT WE HAVE. THESE IS A, A DITCH THAT'S EXISTED FOR SOME TIME, UH, THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY FORMAL, UH, EASEMENT RECORDED REPORT. UM, SPECIFICALLY STATS LOOKING TO NEGOTIATE WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER OF 10 15 WH JACKSON FOR A DRAINAGE EASEMENT TO PRESERVE HISTOR EXISTING HISTORICAL DRAINAGE ALONG THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY OF THE PRIVATELY OWNED PARCEL, AS WELL AS MODIFYING OR RESERVING EASEMENTS WITHIN THE PRIVATELY OWNED PARCEL TO ACCOMMODATE EXISTING PUBLIC SIDEWALK ALONG WH JACKSON. A TASK ORDER'S BEEN GIVEN TO THE CITY'S, UH, SURVEY CONSULTANT, UM, WITH THEIR CONTRACT THAT WAS ISSUED ON OCTOBER 15TH, 2025 TO PERFORM A TOPOGRAPHIC SURVEY THAT WILL POSITIVELY LOCATE BOTH THE DRAINAGE DITCH AND THE SIDEWALK, UH, WITHIN THE, UM, RESPECTIVE EASEMENTS AND PARCELS SO THAT WE CAN IDENTIFY THE APPROPRIATE LEGAL DESCRIPTIONS NECESSARY TO, UM, NEGOTIATE THE EASEMENTS WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER. UM, AT THIS POINT WE ARE, UM, LOOKING TO HAVE THE SURVEY AND LEGAL DESCRIPTIONS, UH, ANTICIPATED TO BE COMPLETE SOMETIME AROUND NOVEMBER 21ST, 2025 WEATHER PENDING. UM, AND WE'RE REQUESTING TO POST POSTPONE THE FINAL DISPOSITION OF THIS ITEM UNTIL DECEMBER 9TH, 2025 AT THE REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING TO ALLOW US ADDITIONAL TIME FOR NEW NEGOTIATIONS. UM, FUTURE OF DISPOSITION OF THE PROPERTY MAY PROVIDE ADDITIONAL TAX REVENUE. AND, UH, AS I STATED, WE'RE REQUESTING, UH, COUNSEL TO POSTPONE COUNSEL THE PROPOSAL FOR DISPOSITION AT 10 15 WH JACKSON TO DECEMBER 9TH, 2025, UH, FOR CITY STAFF TO CONTINUE NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE INTERESTED PARTY. GREAT. ALRIGHT. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. ENNIS? SIR? JUST VERY QUICKLY, RIGHT? UH, I THINK JAMES WAS POINTING OUT RIGHT, THIS WAS AN ADVERTISED PUBLIC HEARING, SO I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT FOR THE RECORD. I I DON'T THINK THERE ARE ANY, I MEAN, I'LL GAMBLE IN AN OUT RIGHT, AND THEN AGAIN, RIGHT. THE, THE, THE REQUEST RIGHT NOW IS TO EFFECTIVELY POSTPONE, POSTPONE CONSIDERATION OF THIS TO DECEMBER 9TH BECAUSE IT WAS, BECAUSE IT WAS AN ADVERTISED ITEM. IT NEEDS THAT VERY SPECIFIC DATE, TIME, PLACE, UM, TO BE ABLE TO PRESERVE AND, AND RELY UPON THAT, THAT PREVIOUS, UH, ADVERTISEMENT. GREAT. ALL RIGHT. WITH NO QUESTIONS FOR MR. RENI, DO WE HAVE ANY CARDS? NO. OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. BRING IT BACK. THE COUNCIL. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO POSTPONE? MAYOR? YES, VICE MAYOR, MA'AM. UM, I MOVE TO POSTPONE COUNCIL CONSIDERATION OF THE PROPOSAL FOR DISPOSITION OF 10 15 WH JACKSON TO DECEMBER 9TH, 2025 FOR STAFF TO CONTINUE NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE INTERESTED PARTY. SECOND. ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION BY MS. KENNEDY, A SECOND BY MS. BASSETT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, VICE MAYOR. UH, JUST TO, TO SUPPLEMENT THE, THE MOTION A LITTLE BIT. RIGHT. WE'RE, WE'RE DOING DECEMBER 9TH CITY COUNCIL MEETING HERE AT COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT, AT SIX 30. SO MOVED. , WILL YOU AMEND YOUR SECOND? YES. WILL YOU AMEND YOUR SECOND? ALRIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED AYE. VOTE AYE. AND THE MOTION PASSES. ALRIGHT. FOR THE CITIZENS ADVISORY BOARD? YEAH. CAN WE DO THAT ONE REAL QUICK? I'LL TAKE SECONDS. SO, UH, THE THREE MEMBERS WHOSE TERMS ARE EXPIRING ON NOVEMBER 11TH WOULD LIKE TO BE REAPPOINTED. THAT'S STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO REAPPOINT. DALE HAYNES, BRODY HUMBER AND TYRONE BRYANT. ALRIGHT, DO I HAVE A MOTION? SO MOVED. SO MOVED. SO MOVED A SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION BY MS. KENNEDY, A SECOND BY MS. BASSETT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED I VOTE. AYE. AND THE MOTION PASSES. ITEM 26 A. OKAY, ROSS, LET'S, YOU'RE ON. ALL RIGHT. UH, GOOD EVENING, VICE MAYOR. GOOD EVENING COUNCIL. UH, FORGIVE ME. MY LAPTOP DID NOT LAST AS LONG AS THIS MEETING DID. UHHUH . UM, BUT, UH, IN ESSENCE WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR FROM COUNCIL IS DIRECTION ON HOW TO GO ABOUT IMPLEMENTING THE, UH, IMPACT FEE INCREASES THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH OUR CONSULTANT REP TELLIS OVER THE PAST FEW MONTHS. YOU SAW THE WATER RATE INCREASE GO INTO EFFECT, UH, THIS IS FOR IMPACT FEES. WHAT CAPTURES THE DEVELOPMENTS COST OF, UH, IMPACTING THE, UH, CAPACITY AND EFFICIENCY OF THE SYSTEM? SO, UH, WHEN WE GOT OUR FIRST DRAFT REPORT BACK, UH, WE HAD SOME QUESTIONS. WE RAN THROUGH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. WE WERE REVIEWING SOME OF THE FINANCIALS, AND IT BECAME APPARENT TO US THAT THERE IS A, UH, LEGISLATIVE CHANGE THAT CAME INTO EFFECT THIS YEAR THAT WILL GO, UH, EFFECTIVE AS OF JANUARY 1ST, 2026, WHICH WILL TAKE AWAY WHAT'S A PROVISION THAT'S, UH, USING THE EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES [04:10:01] TO JUSTIFY A RATE THAT INCREASE OF OVER 50%. UM, IF, IF I'VE NOT GIVEN AWAY THE GAME, UH, THE PROPOSED RATES ARE WELL OVER 50%, UH, WHAT THEY WOULD RECOMMEND INCREASING FOR THE COST OF DEVELOPMENT FOR ONE ERC OR EQUIVALENT EQUIVALENT RESIDENTIAL CONNECTION. UM, SO IN, IN OTHER WORDS, UH, WE CAN EITHER TRY AND, UH, JUSTIFY OUR EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES, WHICH IS GENERALLY GOING TO BE OUTLINED AS IT'S IN THE DRAFT, BUT FOR OUR PURPOSES, UH, IT IS RELATED TO, UH, THE POTENTIAL OF DEVELOPMENT GROWTH EXCEEDING THE AVERAGE, UH, IN FLORIDA, WHICH WE HAVE SOME VERY LARGE PROJECTS IN THE PIPELINE, AS WELL AS THE, UH, VERY JUSTIFIABLE, UH, INCREASE IN CAPITAL COSTS, WHICH I THINK WE'VE SEEN, UH, QUITE READILY OVER THE PAST COUPLE YEARS. SO, UH, THE OTHER OPTION THAT WE WOULD HAVE IS, UH, BASICALLY IMPLEMENTING WITHIN THE STATUTE. UH, THERE'S A PHASE IN APPROACH THAT CAPS AT 50%. UH, SINCE OUR, OUR RATES ARE 1,540 FOR A WATER IMPACT FEE AND 2000 2, 2 10 FOR WASTEWATER IMPACT FEE, WE WON'T REALLY COME CLOSE TO GENERATING THE KIND OF REVENUE THAT WOULD, UH, APPROPRIATELY OFFSET THE, UH, ADDITIONAL IMPACTS THAT DEVELOPMENT HAS ON THE SYSTEM. SO, UH, MY, MY ASK OF COUNSEL IS WE CAN EITHER PURSUE OPTION ONE. THIS ALLOWS US TO WORK WITH OUR CONSULTANT TO GO THROUGH THE ADDITIONAL JUSTIFICATION STEPS OF PROVIDING THOSE EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES AS PART OF THE ITEM, UH, THE IMPACT FEE REPORT THAT WILL COME BEFORE YOU, UH, THAT WILL REQUIRE US TO HAVE TWO ADDITIONAL PUBLIC WORKSHOPS THAT'S PER THE LAW. THAT'S, UH, SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO, UM, PROBABLY BEFORE, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, WORKING WITH THE CITY MANAGER. UH, THIS, THESE WOULD BE TWO WORKSHOPS THAT WOULD PRE, UH, UH, PROCEED YOUR, UH, REGULARLY SCHEDULED COUNCIL MEETINGS FOR THE, UH, NOVEMBER, UH, MONTH OF NOVEMBER, THE FIRST AND SECOND MEETINGS, UH, AS WELL AS HAVING AN ORDINANCE FIRST READ IN THE SECOND OR SECOND NOVEMBER MEETING IS, AND THEN THE DECEMBER 9TH FIRST, UH, UH, ULTIMATE PASSING. SO, UM, IF THAT'S NOT TO COUNCIL'S LIKING, IF, IF WE DO NOT WANNA PURSUE THE OPPORTUNITY OF GOING THE EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES ROUTE, UH, THIS WILL BE THE TIME TO CHIME IN. UM, I DO WANT TO GIVE YOU SOME SENSE OF THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. UH, IN WORKING WITH THE CONSULTANT. THESE ARE VERY PRELIMINARY NUMBERS. I'VE NOTICED A FEW THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, CORRECTING AND, AND COMING BACK TO YOU WITH, UH, HERE WITH THE FINAL REPORT. UH, IN OTHER WORDS, WE WOULD BE, UH, LEAVING ROUGHLY 10 TO 12 MILLION, UH, DOLLARS IN IMPACT FEES OF THE COURSE OF FIVE YEARS ON THE TABLE. UM, THAT ALSO WOULD REPRESENT 3% OR THEREABOUT OF, UH, PROJECTED RATES DURING THAT TIME. SO IF YOU WERE LOOKING BACK TO THE DISCUSSION ON THE WATER RATES FOR MR. LEWIS'S COMMENTS, UH, REGARDING, WELL, WHY DIDN'T YOU ADD IN SOME FACTOR FOUR, THE IMPACT FEES, UH, WHEN WE LOOK OVER THIS FIVE YEAR PERIOD, WERE ALL DEVELOPMENT IN THE PIPELINE TO COME TO FRUITION. WE WOULD HAVE A LOSS OF ABOUT 10 TO $12 MILLION FROM WHAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO CAPTURE USING THE EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES AS OPPOSED TO, UH, WHAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO GET THROUGH THE BANDED PHASED IN, MAXED OUT A 50% APPROACH. I WOULD LIKE TO JUMP IN THAT JUST THAT, YOU KNOW, KEEP IN MIND THAT IMPACT FEES ARE CHARGED WHEN NEW DEVELOPMENT COMES ON BOARD. IT IS TO PAY FOR THE IMPACT THEY HAVE ON OUR SYSTEM. IT'S TO PAY FOR US TO EXPAND, IT'S TO PAY FOR US TO ACCOMMODATE THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT COMING IN THE SYSTEM. PART OF THE REASON WE WANNA DO THIS, AND MAYBE I'M GETTING TOO FAR INTO WHAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT AT THE WORKSHOP, BUT PART OF THE REASON THAT, THAT I FELT STRONGLY ENOUGH THAT THIS NEEDED TO BE A BLUE MEMO AND WE REALLY NEED TO GIVE IT CONSIDERATION ON DO WE WANNA TRY TO GO THIS ROUTE, IS BECAUSE IF WE DON'T INCREASE OUR IMPACT FEES AND TO THE AMOUNTS THAT, THAT, LIKE ROSS IS TALKING ABOUT HERE, WHERE ELSE IS THAT GOING TO GET PAID FOR? AND WE ARE JUST CONSIDERED, AND WE JUST PASSED PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL UTILITY RATE INCREASES, NOT, NOT IMPACT FEE, BUT THE RATE INCREASES THAT IMPACT ALL OF OUR USERS AND WHEN TO PUT THIS OFF OF WHAT THE DEVELOPERS AND WHAT THE NEW DEVELOPMENT IS CAUSING US TO HAVE TO DO. I, THAT'S WHY I FEEL STRONGLY THAT WE, IT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED FOR US TO DO THESE TWO WORKSHOPS FOR US TO CONSIDER EXTRA ORDINARY MEASURES. MM-HMM . EXTRA ORDINARY MEASURES. OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTION, MA'AM? I THINK YOU, I ASKED, AND I CAN'T REMEMBER, WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME WE'VE LOOKED AT THE IMPACT FEES? WAS IT 2008? SO THE, UH, IMPACT FEE ACTS WAS, UH, I BELIEVE PUT INTO PLACE IN 2006, WHICH IS WHY THERE WAS A LOT OF DEFINITIONS THAT WERE PUT INTO AT THAT TIME. UH, WE HAD A, AN INITIAL RATE BACK THEN THAT WAS IMPROVED ON A HANDFUL OF OCCASIONS, THE LAST BEING 2012. OKAY. THAT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE. WHAT THE COSTS ARE. I MOVE THAT WE, UM, UH, GO WITH OPTION ONE. THAT'S WHAT STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED. I DO, I DO WISH TO POINT OUT, AND THE, UH, ADAM, PLEASE STOP ME IF I'M GOING OVER, UH, THE EDGE HERE. BUT, UM, WE DO WANNA POINT OUT THAT BECAUSE IMPACT FEES ARE, UH, [04:15:01] VERY MUCH TIED TO THE DEVELOPER COMMUNITY, UH, YOU CAN SEE INSTANCES WHERE DEVELOPERS, UH, MAY CHOOSE TO SUE THE CITY FOR NOT APPROPRIATELY RAISING THE IMPACT FEES IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LAW. UH, THE PALM CITY OF PALM COAST IS CURRENTLY GOING THROUGH THAT. IT'S NOT NECESSARILY INDICATIVE OF, UH, ANYTHING WRONGDOING. THE CITY HAS. IT HAS A LOT TO DO WITH THE AMBIGUITY IN THE LAW AS IT STANDS TODAY. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF CASE LAW ON IT. SO WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING IS STILL THE PATH. IT IT'S STILL USING OPTION ONE, BUT IT'S NOT WITHOUT THE POTENTIAL RISK OF LITIGATION IN THE FUTURE. UH, JUST BASED OFF OF WHAT WE'VE SEEN ELSEWHERE IN THE STATE, IT, IT WILL BE THE CHOOSING OPTION ONE IS ONLY PUTTING US ON A PATH WHERE CITY STAFF AND OUR AND REF TELLIS ARE OUR CONSULTANTS WILL HAVE TO CREATE A RECORD BEFORE YOU FOR THE WORKSHOPS AND FOR, AND THE ORDINANCE OF IMPACT FEE INCREASES TO ESTABLISH A RECORD OF THAT. THERE ARE EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES, RIGHT? THE, THE LITIGATION THAT ROSS IS REFERRING TO FROM PALM COAST, THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY BASICALLY SAID THE CITY OF PALM, PALM COAST DIDN'T ESTABLISH THAT RECORD APPROPRIATELY OR IS RELYING ON BAD INFORMATION OR EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES ARE JUST VAGUE. SO I, I CONCUR WITH HIM. THERE, THERE IS CERTAINLY RISK ASSOCIATED WITH, WITH THIS ACTION, RIGHT? THERE IS ALSO RISK ASSOCIATED WITH NOT TAKING ACTION. SO, UH, AGAIN, RIGHT? IF, IF YOU GIVE DIRECTION FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH OPTION ONE, THERE WILL STILL BE PLENTY OF LEGWORK THAT WE HAVE TO DO FOR NOVEMBER INTO DECEMBER TO, TO TRY AND PROVE UP THE CASE AND ESTABLISH APPROPRIATE FACTUAL RECORD THAT CAN SUPPORT THAT UNDERLYING FINDING. AND COUNSEL CAN STILL VOTE THAT DOWN, RIGHT? IT'S, IT'S JUST FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, RIGHT? AGAIN, WE'RE RIGHT, THIS, THIS DOESN'T, THIS DOESN'T PUT US ON A PATH FOR ONLY ONE OUTCOME. THIS IS ONLY DO WE WANT TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS TO EVEN CONSIDER IT. SURE. AND, UH, AND NOW I DO ALREADY HEAR A MOTION FOR, I DO WANNA HAVE DISCUSSION AND ASK YOU A QUESTION, BUT FOR PROCESSES, I NEED A SECOND SO WE CAN GO INTO DISCUSSION ON IT. THANK YOU. DO YOU HAVE A SECOND? OKAY. UH, ROSS, UM, DO, UH, HOW, HOW WILL WE COMPARE TO OUR NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES WHEN WE DO THIS? HAVE THEY GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS OVER TIME? OR ARE, ARE, ARE WE GONNA BE THE, HAVE THE MOST EXPENSIVE IMPACT FEES IN OUR LOCAL AREA? SO IN LOOKING AT THE DRAFT REPORT, WE ARE ON THE HIGHER END ONCE WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, THAT'S LARGELY A RESULT OF OTHER COMMUNITIES BEING IN THE SAME SPOT WE ARE. MM-HMM . UH, REF TELLIS IS BEING, UH, BEING VERY MUCH WORKED, UH, OVER BY THE CITIES TRYING TO, UH, FIND THE TIME TO GO OUT THIS PROCESS AND ENSURE THAT WE DO IT WITH THE, THE ADEQUATE AMOUNT OF INFORMATION. SO I WOULDN'T BE SHOCKED IF BY THE TIME THAT WE ADOPT WHATEVER THAT INCREASED AMOUNT IS, WHETHER THAT'S THE BANDAGE 50% OR WHATEVER ELSE MAY COME OF THE COUNCIL'S DISCUSSION ON IT. UH, IT, IT WOULD LIKELY BE FOLLOWED SHORTLY THEREAFTER BY OTHER COMMUNITIES FACING THE EXACT SAME ISSUES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW. OKAY. ALRIGHT. I'LL, I'LL BE LOOKING FORWARD TO LOOKING AT THAT AT THE, AT THE WORKSHOPS . OKAY. YEAH. YEP. BUT, UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ROSS? ALRIGHT, HERE. MOTION BY MS. HANLEY, A SECOND BY MR. SMITH. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED I VOTE. AYE. AND THE MOTION PASSES PETITIONS OR MONS MS. BASSETT. UM, SO I JUST HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT, UM, THERE WERE SOME, UH, REALLY OUTSTANDING ALLEGATIONS LIKE, LIKE SCARY ALLEGATIONS THAT WERE MADE, UH, TONIGHT DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT. MM-HMM. UM, WHAT IS THE CITY'S PLAN ON HOW TO GET AHEAD OF THIS AND POSSIBLY VINDICATE THE MAYOR? OR DO WE DO NOTHING OR LIKE, UM, HAVE WE BEEN PRESENTED WITH ANYTHING? UH, I MEAN, HARD, HARD COPY FOR YOU TO HAVE TO, WE, WE, WE ARE TO RESPOND TO, WE ARE AWARE THAT AS A PART OF THE HABITAT FREE HUMANITY, UM, AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT THAT ALFRE ROOFING WAS A SUBCONTRACT. RIGHT. WHAT, WHAT WE, AND, AND WE ONLY LEARNED, WE ONLY LEARNED THAT AS HABITAT FREE HUMANITY. MACEDONIA, CDC SUBMITTED THOSE, UM, THOSE INVOICES WHEN THEY WERE REQUESTING FOR DISBURSEMENT THEMSELVES. SO I, I'M NOT, I'M NOT IN A POSITION RIGHT NOW THIS EVENING TO SAY THERE'S ABSOLUTELY, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING, SOMETHING WRONG GOING ON HERE. RIGHT. AND AND REALLY TO, TO A CERTAIN EXTENT THAT'S ANY, IF, IF THERE'S WRONGDOING THAT'S SOMEWHAT, UM, THE MAYOR'S INDIVID INDIVIDUALLY ISSUE RIGHT. VERSUS OURS. NOW WE HAVE, WE MAY HAVE OUR OWN PART TO PLAY TO REVIEW IN THE CONTRACT WITH, WITH HABITAT. SO, YOU KNOW, LET US, LET US DO SOME REVIEW ON, ON THAT. BUT I, I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T WANNA NECESSARILY JUMP TO THE SAME CONCLUSIONS THAT MR. COLOMBO WAS NEITHER ALLEGING. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. [04:20:01] UM, AND, AND ANOTHER THING, IT'S, UM, WHAT DOES NATIONAL FIRST RESPONDERS SAY? UH, HAPPY NATIONAL FIRST RESPONDERS DAY, EVERYBODY. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE. OKAY. MS. HANLEY. OKAY. UM, I HAD EVERYBODY, I'VE GOT THIS FROM THE LEAGUE OF CITIES. WE, THERE WAS EIGHT, THE LA I WENT TWO WEEKS AGO AFTER COUNCIL, I READ UP TO EVERYTHING THAT I HAD GOTTEN AND ON THE WAY TO THE, UH, WAY TO THE HOTELS, EIGHT BILLS WERE PUT IN THERE. NOW EVERYBODY, WHEN I WENT TO THE CONFERENCE THERE, NOBODY, THERE WAS NOTHING, UM, NO STUDIES ABOUT WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IF THEY TAKE AWAY PROPERTY TAXES. EVERYBODY HAS DIFFERENT THING, DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN. WHAT WAS BROUGHT UP IS WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO? EVERYBODY'S WORRIED ABOUT FIRE, POLICE, AND FIRE WAS BROUGHT UP. WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO ABOUT PUBLIC WORKS? WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO ABOUT, UM, I DID HAVE ONE, ONE WOMAN, ONE, ONE PERSON TURNED AROUND AND GOES, WELL, I CAN GIVE UP, UM, FIVE THINGS IN MY BUDGET. AND WE ALL LOOKED, IT WAS MOST EVERYBODY ELSE LOOKED AROUND AND GOES, WE'RE BARE BONES AT OUR BUDGETS. WE, WE DON'T HAVE PROJECTS THAT WE CAN JUST GIVE UP THEIR OUR SITUATIONS. SO EVERYBODY'S A LITTLE BIT FRIGHTENED OF THIS, BUT THERE'S NO, WHEN THEY SAY THEY'RE GONNA DO TAKE AWAY THE PROPERTY TAXES, THERE'S NO STUDY, THERE'S NO SITUATION WHERE THEY'RE GOING AND SAYING, WELL, WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU THIS MONEY, WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU THAT MONEY. AND IT'S VERY SCARY FOR, IT'S STILL GONNA BE SCARY FOR US. BUT LIKE WITH PALM BAY, WE'RE, THEY DO NOT HAVE A COMMERCIAL, UM, A LARGE COMMERCIAL, UH, VENUE THERE. THEY'RE GONNA BE REALLY HURTING. WHERE ARE THEY GONNA GET THEIR MONEY FROM? ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT HOME TAKEN AWAY, TAKEN AWAY PROPERTY TAXES FROM ANY HOMESTEAD PROPERTY THAT'S GOING TO HOW, WHAT ARE THEY GONNA DO? SO THERE'S STILL GONNA BE A LOT MORE THINGS. I'LL PROBABLY BE OUT TALKING TO OTHER CITY COUNCILS AS THIS GETS, COMES IN A LITTLE CLOSER RIGHT NOW. IT'S LIKE THERE'S ALL THESE BILLS AND THEIR ATTITUDE IS, WELL WE'RE GONNA PUT IT ON THE BALLOT FOR 2028. YES. 20 NO, 2026. 2026. AND SEE WHERE THE VOTER IS GONNA DO. AND, BUT THERE ARE EIGHT DIFFERENT, SO MANY SO FAR DIFFERENT IDEAS THAT NOBODY KNOWS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN HERE. I'M GONNA ASK COUNSEL IF THEY WOULD LET ME GO TO THE NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES THAT'S NEXT MONTH. IF I, IF YOU WOULD ALLOW ME TO GO THERE. AND EARLIER THIS MONTH, I AM CHAIRMAN ELECT FOR THE ORLANDO METROPOLITAN TPO. AND I WENT TO THE, THE HINDU TEMPLES NEW YEAR'S EARLIER LAST WEEK. AND THEY'RE THE, IT'S, THE YEAR OF UNITY WAS VERY INTERESTING. FOOD WAS ABSOLUTELY DELICIOUS. THEY HAVE THE BEST SOUP. UM, I WILL SAY THAT IT WAS VERY GOOD. UM, TRYING TO BE REALLY QUICK IN HERE, BUT I'M ASKING IF YOU GUYS WOULD LET, ALLOW ME TO GO TO THE NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES NEXT MONTH. WHERE IS IT? WHERE'S THAT AT SALT LAKE, WHERE CAN SALT TO GO TO? SALT LAKE CITY. SALT LAKE CITY. MM-HMM . IT'S THE NATIONAL, IT'S NOT THE FLORIDA, IT'S NATIONAL. YEAH. WHAT, WHAT DO YOU PROPOSE TO GET OUT OF IT? WELL, I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT OTHER CITIES, OTHER THAN WHAT'S GOING ON IN FLORIDA, WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE OTHER, OTHER STATES. WHAT PROJECTS ARE DOING, WHERE THEY'RE, WHAT, WHAT ELSE, WHAT OTHER THINGS ARE GOING ON OTHER THAN JUST IN FLORIDA, YOU KNOW, MS. MS. HALEY. SURE. I I, I ENCOURAGE THAT, BUT I ENCOURAGE IT NEXT YEAR BECAUSE WE'RE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE BILLS ARE DOING OR WHAT, OR WHAT'S GONNA LAND ON THE, UH, WHAT'S GONNA BE A REFERENDUM. SO WHAT YOU MAY LEARN OR MAY NOT LEARN IN SALT LAKE CITY, UH, MAY NOT EVEN BE APPLICABLE IN EIGHT MONTHS FROM NOW OR 10 MONTHS FROM NOW. THAT, THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. SO, I MEAN, I MEAN WE, YEAH. IF WE THINK, YOU KNOW, COLLECTIVELY THAT THAT'S A VALUE TO GO THERE. PERSONALLY RIGHT NOW, I DON'T THINK SO. I THINK WE'RE AHEAD OF THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE CART AHEAD OF THE HORSE. UH, BUT THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. BUT I'LL, I'LL, WE'VE, WE'VE GOT FIVE OTHER REALLY SMART PEOPLE UP HERE, SO I, I'LL, I'LL LISTEN TO ALL THE CONVERSATION. I JUST THINK, YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK THAT WE HAVE NOT JUST, WE, WE, WE HERE ARE ONLY WORRIED ABOUT THE PROPERTY TAXES. THAT'S, WELL, IT'S A BIG DEAL, BUT THERE IS OTHER THINGS GOING ON. HOPEFULLY, HOPEFULLY COOLER HEADS WILL PREVAIL ABOUT THIS PROPERTY TAX SITUATION. HOPEFULLY, WELL, COOLER HEADS WILL PREVAIL WHEN WHEN IT HITS THE BALLOT. YEAH. AND, AND THE EDUCATION IS DONE TO IT. THAT'S WHEN IT'LL HAPPEN. AND THAT'S WHEN THE SPECIAL INTEREST WILL COME OUT. AND THEY'LL LET YOU KNOW, AND THEY'LL LET EVERYBODY, [04:25:01] ALL THE VOTERS KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S BAD ABOUT THIS? WHAT'S GOOD ABOUT THAT? SO, WELL, THE, THE ONLY THING IS THAT WHEN I'VE SAID THIS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTY TAX, OH, WELL YOU WON'T HAVE TO PAY PROPERTY. OH, YAY. YEAH. YAY. YEAH. AND I'M LIKE'S THAT'S, THAT'S THEIR, THAT'S THEIR BIG THING. AND I GO, OKAY, SO, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE TO PAY SCHOOL TAXES THAT PART. AND THEN I GO, IT'S 16 CENTS. I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT I'VE HEARD IS THAT THEY'RE ESTIMATING 16 CENTS ON THE DOLLAR AND THEY GO, OOH, THAT HURTS. AND I'M LIKE, OKAY, WHICH ONE DO YOU, YOU'VE BEEN IN THAT HOUSE NOW FOR 10 YEARS. YOU WERE, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THE ECONOMY TO, YOU KNOW, THE HOUSE VALUES WENT UP. THAT'S WHERE THE PEOPLE TAKE REAL INTEREST IN THIS. WELL, RELATED TO IT. UM, JENNY, DIDN'T YOU MEET WITH MONIQUE THIS WEEK? HOW DID, DID SHE TALK ABOUT ANY OF THIS TO YOU? SHE HAS A BILL UP THERE. UM, REPRESENTATIVE MONK MILLER DID BRING UP THE FACT THAT SHE HAD FILED AT LEAST ONE OF THESE BILLS AND IT JUST WAS, YOU KNOW, I JUST, FAIR POINT. IT WAS JUST A GENERAL OKAY. SHE, SHE DID PUT ME ON NOTICE THAT SHE HAD DONE IT BECAUSE SHE DIDN'T WANT ME SURPRISED OR DIDN'T WANT THE CITY SURPRISED THAT SHE HAD FILED THAT BILL, BUT OKAY. THAT WAS THE EXTENT OF, I WAS, WASN'T SURE THE E SHE, IF SHE WAS LIKE BRIEFING OR ANYTHING. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HER OKAY. VICE MAYOR MA'AM. AT THE STATE OF THE STATE, I HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHICH ONES. YEAH. UM, THEY ARE, UH, THEY ALL DID TALK ABOUT EXTENSIVELY THE, UM, PROPERTY TAX BILLS. UM, AND THINGS THAT CAME UP WAS THEY WERE TRYING TO ELIMINATE, UM, UNINTENTIONAL CONSEQUENCES. I'M NOT SURE YOU CAN ELIMINATE ALL OF THEM, BUT THAT IS ON THEIR FOREFRONT AT LEAST. BUT THEY DID SAY THERE'S SO MANY, I MEAN, LOOK HOW MANY THERE ARE. HOW DO YOU CONDENSE THIS BY NO, THEY'RE GONNA PUT 'EM ALL ON THERE. RIGHT. THAT'S THEIR IDEA. THAT WAS THE IDEA. SO WE DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING, WHAT WE'RE DOING, AND WE'RE IN SUCH A STATE OF FLUX RIGHT NOW IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. I THINK WE NEED TO JUST HONE OUR THOUGHTS IN OUR DIRECTION HERE. OKAY. SO VICE MAYOR, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT. WE NEED A MOTION TO EXTEND THE MEETING PAST 11. ALRIGHT. DO, DOES EVERYONE WANNA GIVE AN UPDATE OR DO WE JUST WANNA END THE MEETING AS IT IS? IT'S UP TO Y'ALL. I ESPECIALLY WANTED TO TALK TO YOU THREE BECAUSE YOU GUYS HAVE, I'M NO WRAP. I'M GOOD. YOU'RE GOOD. DO YOU, DO YOU GUYS WANNA DO AN UPDATE OR DO YOU WANT US TO CLOSE, CLOSE IT OUT? NO, FINE. CLOSE IT. CLOSE IT OUT. ALL RIGHT. I'M A FOLLOWER TO ALL RIGHT, EVERYBODY BY THE RULES. WE'RE CLOSING THE MEETING HERE AT 11 O'CLOCK. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.