* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE OCTOBER 14TH, 2025 REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING. BEFORE WE BEGIN THE MEETING, LET ME REVIEW THE PROCEDURES FOR THE MEETING. IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK, COMPLETE A REQUEST TO SPEAK FORM LOCATED AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE COUNCIL CHAMBER, AND SUBMIT THE COMPLETE OF FORM TO SERGEANT AT ARMS. WHEN YOUR NAME HAS BEEN CALLED, USE THE MICROPHONE AT THE ELECTRON ON THE AUDIENCE'S RIGHT AND EITHER STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS OR YOUR NAME AND CITY. SPEAK TO THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE BODY. DO NOT ADDRESS THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS INDIVIDUALLY. BE MINDFUL THE TIMER ON THE ELECTRON, AND WRAP UP YOUR COMMENT BEFORE YOUR SPEAKING TIME ENDS. THE TIME LIMITS OR POSTS ON THE REQUEST TO SPEAK FORM AN APPLICANT REPRESENTATIVE OR PERSON OF THE LEGAL STANDING TO SUPPORT OR OPPOSE A QUASI-JUDICIAL MATTER WILL BE PERMIT PERMITTED ENOUGH TIME AS RUTH BE DETERMINED BY THE CITY COUNCIL TO CREATE A RECORD BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL. ANY PERSON, PERSON WHO MAKES A PERSONAL AND PERTINENT OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS OR BECOME BOISTEROUS AND DISRESPECTFUL WHILE ADDRESSING THE CITY COUNCIL WILL BE ORDERED TO LEAVE THE COUNCIL CHAMBER. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US THIS EVENING. WE'LL BEGIN WITH THE INVOCATION. IF YOU WISH TO PARTICIPATE, PLEASE STAND AND TONIGHT WILL BE PASTOR AARON HENLEY, CHURCH OF ON THE ROCK OF MELBOURNE. HOW YOU DOING, PASTOR? THANK YOU LORD GOD ALMIGHTY. I THANK YOU FOR THE TRUE FREEDOM AND REAL LIFE AND PURPOSE AND IDENTITY AND FORGIVENESS AND HEALING THAT IS AVAILABLE IN JESUS CHRIST. NOT BY ANY MERIT OF OUR OWN BECAUSE WE ARE NOT WORTHY, BUT BY THE MERIT OF JESUS AND THE BLOOD HE SHED ON THE CROSS FOR US. THANK YOU THAT IN YOU THERE IS GOOD NEWS FOR THE POOR, AND THAT THROUGH YOU WE CAN BIND UP BROKEN HEARTS AND PROCLAIM FREEDOM TO THOSE STUCK IN BONDAGE. THANK YOU THAT THERE IS GOOD NEWS FOR THOSE WHO MOURN, THAT A DAY OF THE LORD'S FAVOR IS INDEED UPON US, THAT YOU MOST CERTAINLY GIVE BEAUTY FOR ASHES, GLADNESS INSTEAD OF MOURNING AND A GARMENT OF PRAISE INSTEAD OF HEAVINESS. THANK YOU FOR THE LEADERS OF THIS GREAT CITY OF MELBOURNE. THANK YOU FOR OUR MAYOR AND OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS. I PRAY BLESSINGS UPON EACH OF THEM. I PRAY RELATIONAL BLESSINGS, HEALTH BLESSINGS, MENTAL BLESSINGS, AND SPIRITUAL BLESSINGS. I PRAY THEIR MARRIAGES WOULD BE STRENGTHENED, THEIR FRIENDSHIPS ENRICHED THEIR CHILDREN FULL OF JOY AND THEIR ENDEAVORS PROSPEROUS. I THANK YOU FOR OUR CITIZENS. MAY EACH ONE COME TO KNOW THE LIGHT, LOVE, AND LIGHT THAT IS JESUS CHRIST. LORD. PROVERBS 11, THREE SAYS, HONESTY GUIDES GOOD PEOPLE. ANOTHER TRANSLATION SAYS, THE INTEGRITY OF THE UPRIGHT GUIDES THEM, BUT DISHONESTY DESTROYS TREACHEROUS PEOPLE. I PRAY OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS, OUR MAYOR, OUR CITIZENS, AND MYSELF, WOULD ALLOW HONESTY AND UPRIGHTNESS TO GUIDE US THAT WE WOULD NOT BE SHIPWRECKED BY OUR OWN TENDENCIES TOWARDS DISHONESTY, BUT RATHER THAT WE WOULD BE A BEACON OF TRUTH AS WE MAKE THE CONSCIOUS EFFORT TO TAKE THE HARD BUT HIGH ROAD EVEN TONIGHT AS WE WRESTLE WITH LOCAL ISSUES, MAY HONESTY BE OUR GUIDE AND AS WE MAKE OUR DECISIONS TONIGHT, I PRAY JAMES ONE FIVE, WHICH SAYS, IF ANY OF YOU LACKS WISDOM, LET HIM ASK GOD WHO GIVES GENEROUSLY TO ALL WITHOUT REPROACH AND IT WILL BE GIVEN HIM. SO I'M ASKING ON BEHALF OF EVERYONE HERE FOR WISDOM, TRUSTING THAT YOU GIVE GENEROUSLY. AND FINALLY, I'M ASKING FOR TRUE REVIVAL TO SWEEP THROUGH MELBOURNE. NOT ONE NOTED FOR ALL ITS CHURCH ACTIVITY, BUT ONE NOTED FOR WHAT YOU ARE DOING IN THE LIVES OF INDIVIDUALS BRINGING RECONCILIATION, HEALING, BEAUTY, ORDER, SUCCESS, AND JOY. IN JESUS' NAME. AMEN. AMEN. THANK YOU PASTOR AND LEE. UH, DO YOU WANT PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE? I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE, DELUSIONS TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS FROM ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE PER ALL. MOVING ON TO UH, ITEM NUMBER THREE, ROLL CALL MR. MCEWEN, COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER LARUSSO IS NOT PRESENT YET. COUNCIL MEMBER BASSETT HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER HANLEY HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER KENNEDY. HERE. VICE MAYOR NEWMAN. HERE. MAYOR ALFRE. AND I AM HERE. UH, MOVING ON TO PROCLAMATION, PROCLAMATIONS AND PRESENTATIONS. I HAVE A COUPLE. THANK YOU. UH, KEVIN BURNS, PLEASE AND THE MEMBERS OF THE IT DEPARTMENT. IS ANYBODY HERE? JUST YOU, KEVIN? YEAH, THEY'RE SECURITY TEAM IS HERE. THERE YOU GO. HOW YOU DOING? DOING HOW YOU DOING? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. PROCLAMATION CITY OF MELBOURNE. UH, THIS IS, UH, REGARDING CYBERSECURITY AWARENESS MONTH. UM, WHEREAS THE CITY OF MELBOURNE OBSERVED CYBERSECURITY AWARENESS MONTH DURING THE MONTH OF OCTOBER, JOINING A NATIONAL EFFORT TO PROMOTE CYBERSECURITY [00:05:01] AWARENESS AND ENCOURAGE PROACTIVE DIGITAL SAFETY MEASURES TO HELP PROTECT THE NATION'S CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE, THE SERVICES THAT, UH, PROVIDE POWER, WATER COMMUNICATION, PUBLIC HEALTH, AND SO MUCH MORE. WHEREAS CYBERSECURITY AWARENESS MONTH IS A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT LED BY THE CYBERSECURITY AND INFRASTRUCTURE SECURITY AGENCY, UNITING THE PUBLIC IN PRIVATE SECTORS TO ENCOURAGE BEHAVIORS THAT REDUCE ONLINE RISK. THE CAMPAIGN EMPHASIZES THAT FUNDAMENTAL ACTION CAN MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE IN DEFENDING OUR NATION AGAINST CYBER THREAT AND PROTECTING OUR CRI CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE. WHEREAS MELBOURNE WILL KICK OFF ITS MANDATORY ANNUAL CYBERSECURITY TRAINING CAMPAIGN. I GOT MY PAPER REQUIRED TO BE COMPLETED BY ALL EMPLOYEES ALONG, UH, WITH THE WEEKLY CYBERSECURITY TIPS. AND WHEREAS US BUSINESS AND GOVERNMENT ENTITIES THAT OWN, OPERATE OR SUPPORT CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE ARE THE FRONT LINE AGAINST SUCCESSFUL CYBER INTRUSIONS. AND WHEREAS TO PREPARE FOR CYBERSECURITY ATTACKS, CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE DECISION MAKERS NEED TO ACT BY ESTABLISHED ESTABLISHING PLANS AND POLICIES THAT INCORPORATE BASIC CYBERSECURITY BEST PRACTICES, TALKING TO YOUR VENDORS AND PARTNERS ABOUT THE CYBERSECURITY PRACTICES USING CYBERSECURITY AWARENESS MONTH AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE YOUR ENTIRE ORGANIZATION AND YOUR CUSTOMERS ARE CONSTITUENTS ON THE IMPORTANCE OF CYBERSECURITY. NOW, THEREFORE, IT BE RESOLVED THAT I PAUL AL ALFRED MAYOR, CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA DUE, HEREBY PROCLAIM OCTOBER, 2025 AS CYBERSECURITY AWARENESS MONTH IN THE CITY OF MELBOURNE. UH, IT IT PROUD TO DO ITS PART IN PROTECTING AGAINST ONLINE THREATS AND COMMITS TO IMPLEMENTING, UH, ESSENTIAL CYBERSECURITY PRACTICES. WITNESS MY HAND IS SEAL THE CITY OF MELBOURNE. IT'S 14TH DAY OCTOBER, 2025. PAUL OPRY MAY, I'M GONNA GIVE IT OVER TO YOU MR. BURNS. I DON'T THINK PEOPLE REALIZE WITH ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE WITH ALL THE WATER, UM, AND ALL THE ACCOUNTS, HOW, HOW WE PRETTY MUCH EVERY DAY WE'RE, WE'RE DEALING WITH CYBERSECURITY ISSUES. WELL, THANK YOU MAYOR AND THANK YOU CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. WE APPRECIATE THIS GREATLY. AND, AND I'LL HAND THIS OVER TO HOWARD IN JUST A SECOND. HE'S GOT A LITTLE BIT BETTER PREPARED SPEECH, BUT YES, WE DEAL WITH CYBERSECURITY THREATS ON A DAILY BASIS, UH, MANY AT A TIME. AND, UH, OUR EMPLOYEES ARE DOING A GREAT JOB IN HELPING US PROTECT ALL OF OUR DATA AND ALL OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE AND SERVICES THROUGHOUT THE SOURCE, THE COURSE OF THE CITY. AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO HOWARD. THANK YOU, HOWARD. THANK YOU. UH, JUST FOR, JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST QUICK, UH, CYBERSECURITY AND KNOW, I KNOW IT'S JUST A MONTH, BUT IT WAS PRACTICED THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. UH, YOU KNOW, PROTECT YOUR LOVED ONES, PROTECT YOUR, ESPECIALLY YOUR PARENTS. AND HER PARENTS ARE OLDER. UM, THEY DO GET A LOT OF ATTACKS JUST BECAUSE OF THEIR AGE. UM, EMAIL IS THE WORST AS IT IS. UH, THE, THE, THE ATTACKERS ARE NOW USING AI FOR THEIR EMAILS, SO THEY'RE GETTING A LITTLE BIT HARDER TO, UH, ASCERTAIN WHAT'S BAD, WHAT'S GOOD, WHAT'S IN THE MIDDLE, WHAT JUST PRETTY MUCH JUST, YOU KNOW, WATCH OUT FOR YOUR PARENTS AND YOUR KIDS. THAT'S MY BEST MESSAGE I CAN GIVE YOU. YEAH. PERFECT. ANYTHING ELSE? WE'RE GOOD. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. UH, COURTNEY, TY, ROBIN, UH, BOYKO BOY. IOW AND BEVERLY DIMER. CAN I GET ANY HARDER? LAST NAMES DA BUTCHER FOR THE NATIONAL DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AWARENESS MONTH. DID THEY MAKE IT? DID NOT MAKE IT OUT HERE TONIGHT. OKAY, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND SEND THAT OVER TO 'EM. OKAY. AND THIS IS GONNA BE THE CITY OF MELBOURNE EXCEPTIONAL CITIZENS AWARD FOR VICTOR ROSALES. COME ON UP. COME DOWN. UH, MS. LEY, WILL YOU COME DOWN? YES. AND YOU'RE WITH TOM. YOU WITH TOM MY FRIEND? HE'S A GOOD MAN. GOOD MAN. MAYOR, I'LL GIVE, I'LL GIVE YOU THE MICROPHONE A MINUTE AND YOU CAN TELL ME ALL ABOUT, I KNOW HIM VERY WELL. SO, UH, REAL QUICK, DO YOU WANNA DO THIS ONE? I THINK TOM ARMSTRONG, YOU KNOW WHAT? I AGREE WITH YOU MISS HANLEY. COME ON DOWN. TOM. I AGREE TOO. HOW YOU DOING? TELL HIM WHAT? GOOD TO SEE YOU. YOU BEEN MAN. GO. EG. WHY WE PICKED CLINTON. I DON'T NEED, OKAY, WELL, TOM DOESN'T NEED A MICROPHONE. NO, HE DON'T. WELL, LET ME START, LET ME START THIS WAY. THE CITY OF MELBOURNE EXCEPTIONAL CITIZENS AWARD PRESENTED TO VICTOR ROSA AND RECOGNITION OF THE EXTRAORDINARY, EXTRAORDINARY EFFORTS AND SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTIONS OF THIS OUTSTANDING INDIVIDUAL WHO'VE IMPROVED THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR RESIDENTS OF AND VISITORS TO [00:10:01] THE CITY OF MELBOURNE. WI WITNESS MY SEAL IN THIS, UH, SIGNATURE IN THE SEAL OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, THE 14TH DAY OCTOBER, UH, 2025. PAUL OPRE MAYOR. SO, I'M ACTUALLY GONNA HAND THE MIC TO TOM. I DON'T EVEN NEED IT. OH MAN, YOU GOTTA HAVE, GOTTA HAVE IT. ALRIGHT, WE'RE, THIS IS ABOUT A MAN WHO JUST CAME TO A TENNIS COURT AND WE WERE PLAYING TENNIS AND ONE OF OUR GOOD FRIENDS JUST FELL TO THE GROUND. AND, UH, VICTOR HAS NO IDEA, DOESN'T SPEAK ENGLISH GREATLY, BUT HAS NO IDEA ABOUT CPR OR ANYTHING. BUT HE SAW IT ON TV. HE JUMPED DOWN, HE TOOK THE MAN, HE GAVE HIM CPR UNTIL THE, UH, UNTIL THE MEDICS CAME TO THE AMBULANCE CAME. THIS MAN'S HEART STOPPED FOUR TIMES WHEN THEY GOT THERE. THEY GAVE HIM THE, UH, DEFIBRILLATOR, DEFIBRILLATOR FOUR TIMES. THEY SHOCKED HIM TO BRING HIM BACK. HE'S AC HE JUST CALLED ME ACTUALLY, HE'S TRYING TO GET HERE. BUT HE, UH, ACTUALLY SURVIVED THAT. UM, HE WOULD NOT HAVE SURVIVED THE DOCTORS AND THE, SEE ALL THE, UH, MEDICS ALL SAID THAT THERE WERE NO WAY HE WOULD'VE SURVIVED THAT IF VICTOR HAD NOT RESPONDED THE WAY HE DID. UM, HE SCARED HIM HALF TO DEATH, SCARED EVERYBODY HALF TO DEATH, BUT PERFORMED CPR UNTIL THE MEDICS GOT THERE, SAVED THAT MAN'S LIFE. THE MAN'S ONLY 50 YEARS OLD, HAD NEVER HAD AN ART PROBLEM IN HIS LIFE. UM, HE JUST FELL TO THE GROUND AND VICTOR SAVED HIS LIFE. AND IT, IT TOUCHED ME DURING THAT. I AM GRATEFUL. . THANK YOU. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I, I I COULD DO THOUSANDS AGAINST TIME. YEAH. ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA GET A AND YOU WANT, YOU, ME SAY ANYTHING MS. JONES? NO, I JUST, JUST SO GRATEFUL THAT IT LIVES IN OUR COMMUNITY AND, AND JUMP RIGHT IN TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IF, LET'S GET PICTURE ONE, TWO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK. OH YEAH. . YEAH. DO YOU WANT THIS? WHERE DID YOU THINKS GOING? ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. SEPTEMBER 24TH, 2025. BUDGET, PUBLIC HEARING AND REGULAR MEETING. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? MAYOR MS. HANLEY APPROVAL OF, UM, MINUTES FOR THE 2024 BUDGET AND REGULAR MEETING FOR, UM, SEPTEMBER 24TH, 2025. SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION BY MS. HANLEY, SECOND BY MS. BASSETT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE. AYE. AND THAT MOTION PASSES. MOVING ON TO CITY, CITY MANAGER'S REPORT, MS. LAMB? YES. UM, IT WAS A LENGTHY MANAGER'S REPORT THIS TIME. WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON SOME ITEMS FROM JULY 22ND. I'M NOT GONNA READ THE WHOLE REPORT TO YOU, BUT I DO WANNA POINT OUT THAT, UM, STAFF IS GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITH THE, THE CONSULTING SERVICES FOR LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS IN RELATION TO, UH, ACCOMMODATING LARGE SCALE PUBLIC OR PUBLIC, SEMI-PUBLIC, PUBLIC GATHERING FACILITIES SUCH AS FAIRGROUNDS, MUSIC HALL, EVENT CONVENTION CENTERS, AND SIMILAR USES. UM, THAT'S WITHIN MY THRESHOLD. IT'S, IT'S ONLY, IT'S $26,000 AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ACCOUNTED FOR. SO I'M, WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT SO WE CAN GET THOSE LAND REGULATIONS ON OUR, ON OUR BOOKS. UM, ADDITIONALLY ON THAT WE SPOKE ABOUT ON JULY 22ND WAS TO PROCEED WITH THE FEASIBILITY STUDY FOR THE MELBOURNE AUDITORIUM. AND WE, UM, AFTER REACHING OUT TO SEVERAL COMPANIES, WE HAVE FIG, WE HAVE FIGURED OUT THAT THE SCOPE NEEDS TO BE REFINED. UM, SO STAFF IS PROPOSING TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ITEM ON THE OCTOBER 28TH AGENDA SO THAT WE CAN REVIEW THE 2007 STUDY THAT WAS DONE. AND THEN SO WE CAN HAVE DISCUSSION ON WHERE COUNCIL AS A WHOLE SEES THIS GOING FROM THIS POINT FORWARD SO WE CAN REFINE THAT SCOPE SO THAT WE CAN GET A PRODUCT THAT WE CAN USE AND, AND USE AS A SPRINGBOARD FOR FUTURE ACTION AT THE AUDITORIUM SITE. SO IF I DON'T HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS, I WOULD, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT AS A DISCUSSION ITEM. I'M SEEING SOME HEAD NODDING. SO, UM, AND THEN I HAVE TWO MORE THINGS. I'LL TRY TO BE BRIEF. UM, I PUT IN HERE THAT THERE WAS A DESIGN ALTERNATIVE FOR THE EAST [00:15:01] NEW HAVEN RAILROAD CROSSING THAT WAS PROPOSED TO THE CITY. AND THE ALTERNATIVE, BASICALLY IT WOULD TAKE OUR WESTBOUND TRAFFIC AND IT WOULD NOT ALLOW WESTBOUND TRAFFIC TO TURN ONTO MELBOURNE COURT AND WOULD ONLY ALLOW IT TO STAY ON NEW HAVEN FOR EASTBOUND. IT WOULD REQUIRE EASTBOUND TRAFFIC TO MAKE ALMOST A HAIRPIN TURN TO GO DOWN MELBOURNE COURT DOWN TO MELBOURNE AVENUE. AND IF YOU WANTED TO HAVE TRAVEL EAST, YOU'D GO UNDER US ONE OUT TO TOWARDS THE CAUSEWAY. UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND SUPPORTING. IN FACT, WE'RE, WE'RE RATHER OPPOSED TO THAT. AND I JUST WANTED COUNCIL AWARE THAT WE WERE SENDING A REJECTION LETTER IN THAT WE DID NOT ACCEPT THIS OFFER, SO, OR THIS ALTERNATIVE. SO I JUST WANTED TO GET ONCE AGAIN CONSENSUS BECAUSE I DO NOT THINK THAT IS A GOOD IDEA FOR OUR DOWNTOWN AREA AND OUR TRAVELING PUBLIC. AND THEN LAST BUT NOT LEAST, THIS IS NOT ON THE WRITTEN AGENDA, BUT, UM, LAST FEBRUARY WE APPLIED FOR A FIREHOUSE, UM, SUBS PUBLIC SAFETY FOUNDATION GRANT. AND WE WERE NOT SUCCESSFUL IN THAT GRANT. AND WE WILL BE SUBMITTING THAT SAME GRANT APPLICATION OR, YOU KNOW, WITH MAYBE A FEW MINOR TWEAKS, BUT FOR THE SAME EXACT, IT WAS FOR THE PURCHASE OF EIGHT ELECTRIC VEHICLE BLANKETS AND TWO UNDER CHASSIS NOZZLES TO BE USED FOR EXTINGUISHING EV FIRES. AND, UM, THE ESTIMATED AMOUNT IS ROUGHLY $15,000. SO I JUST WANTED COUNSEL AWARE THAT WE WERE RE WE WERE RESUBMITTING FOR THAT GRANT. OKAY. AND OTHER THAN THAT, I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. UH, ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. LAMB? ARE YOU GONNA SIGN TOMORROW MORNING FOR THE RAILROAD? AS SOON AS I GET A LETTER TO SIGN FROM THIS? THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT? ? TOMORROW MORNING. TOMORROW MORNING, MR. ENNIS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. I GOT, I GOT A QUESTION. GO AHEAD. UH, SO CITY MANAGER. SO SINCE I'M CURIOUS, SINCE YOU MENTIONED THE FIRE HOUSE SUBGRANT AND THE SUBMISSION AND RESUBMITTING, UM, AND I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, BUT DO WE HAVE SORT OF A LIST OF ALL OF THE GRANTS THAT WE SUBMIT FOR AS A CITY? OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE DISCUSS OR THAT WE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT? OR, UM, WE, AS THE GRANTS BECOME AVAILABLE, UHHUH, AND OR AS THE DEADLINES APPROACH BEFORE WE SUBMIT. TYPICALLY IT IS BEFORE WE SUBMIT THAT WE ASK FOR COUNCIL APPROVAL FOR THE SUBMITTAL OF THOSE GRANTS SINCE WE'VE APPLIED FOR THIS GRANT BEFORE WE CONSIDERED A RESUBMITTAL. THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT IT UP UNDER THE CITY MANAGER'S REPORT. UM, BUT YOU KNOW, JUST FOLLOWING ALONG THROUGH THE AGENDA ITEMS, YOU CAN SEE WHAT GRANTS WE'VE APPLIED FOR OR NOT. AND THEN LIKE THE STATE LEGISLATIVE APPROPRIATIONS, WHILE, WELL, THEY'LL BECOME GRANT AND, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE TO FILL OUT CONTRACTS FOR THAT IF WE ARE SO FORTUNATE TO RECEIVE THEM. BUT THOSE WERE, UM, APPROVED DURING THE LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES THAT COUNCIL APPROVED. SO, UM, I DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE A, WE HAVE A LIST OF ONES WE'VE BEEN AWARDED AND WE HAVE A LIST OF ONES WE'VE APPLIED FOR. WE DO HAVE A LIST. THAT'S RIGHT. UM, WELL WE ARE, WE'RE KEEPING, IT'S NOT IN A FORMAT RIGHT NOW. IT'S IN A, IT'S IN A WORKING FORMAT. UM, OUR ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER, REBECCA BERT LOOKS LIKE SHE, SHE DESPERATELY WANTS TO SPEAK. I DON'T DESPERATELY WANNA SPEAK, BUT I THINK WE DID PROVIDE A LIST TO, TO ALL OF COUNCIL PREVIOUSLY OF ALL THE LISTS THAT ARE THE GRANT APPLICATIONS THAT ARE CURRENTLY ACTIVE. BUT OUR POLICY IS FOR ANY GRANT APPLICATION, WE DO COME TO CITY COUNCIL WITH A RESOLUTION FOR APPROVAL. SO YOU GUYS SEE ALL OF THOSE BEFORE WE SUBMIT. FIREHOUSE SUBS IS IN PARTICULAR, UM, IS PRETTY COMPETITIVE. WHAT WE FIND WITH FIREHOUSE SUBS IS THAT THEY TEND TO HAVE MORE MONEY TOWARDS THE END OF THE CALENDAR YEAR. AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HASN'T BEEN AS SUCCESSFUL IN THE PAST. THEY SUBMITTED IN FEBRUARY AND AGAIN IN JULY AND I THINK THEY'RE TRYING TO SUBMIT AGAIN FOR THIS LAST QUARTER. 'CAUSE THAT'S KIND OF WHERE ALL THE MONEY IS LEFT OVER. MM-HMM . SO SINCE IT'S EXACTLY THE SAME APPLICATION, THAT'S WHY WE'RE NOT BRINGING IT THROUGH WITH THE SAME EXACT PROCESS. UM, BUT WE ONLY HAVE, AS FAR AS PENDING APPLICATIONS, I THINK WE ONLY HAVE TWO THAT ARE PENDING RIGHT NOW OF ACTUAL APPLICATIONS ASIDE FROM LEGISLATIVE APPROPRIATIONS. SO, SO IF I MAY MAYOR A COUPLE THINGS. SO I JUST FINISHED THE EMO TRAINING WITH THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITY. SO THEY'RE MAKING A BIG PUSH AT THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES LEVEL FOR MORE GRANTS TO HELP THE CITY MUNICIPALITIES. SO, SO IT'S A COUPLE THINGS. SO I I I THINK IT WOULD BEHOOVE US IF WE COULD SEE SORT OF THE LIST THAT WE MAYBE HAVE APPLIED FOR AND THEN EVEN THE ONES THAT ARE, AND JUST, JUST TO, UH, AT LEAST HAVE SITUATIONAL AWARENESS, BUT WITH THE LEAGUE OF CITIES DOING A BIG PUSH AND I MAYBE I, I WAS GONNA BRING SOME INFORMATION BACK TO YOU ALL TO TALK ABOUT IT, BUT THEY REALLY WANT TO HELP US TO, 'CAUSE THEY'RE SEEING THAT THE FUNDING IS SHIFTING MM-HMM . AND SO THEY'RE MAKING A BIG PUSH TO OPEN UP THE SPIGOT TO GET MORE GRANTS. SO THAT, THAT'S REALLY IT. SO JUST GOOD DISCUSSION, SO, OKAY. ALRIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU MAYOR, UH, UH, FOR, UH, INFORMATION WISE IS THAT GRANTS COME TO US AT 24 HOURS OR 48 HOURS PRIOR TO WHAT THEY'RE BEING, UM, THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR. WE SEE GRANT, WE MAY SEE 20 GRANTS OR WE MAY SEE 10 GRANTS [00:20:01] IN ANY GIVEN TIME. SO IT'S HARD TO PUT THEM ALL ON THE, ON THE TABLE AND UP ON THE BOARD TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S COMING AT US. HOWEVER, I CHALLENGE YOU TO FIND MORE GRANTS FOR US. OKAY? OKAY. ALRIGHT. YEAH. CHALLENGE. NO, JUST CHALLENGE. YOU HAVE SOMETHING MS. HANLEY? NO. OKAY. ALL NOW. JUST MAKING, NOW YOU WANT MAKING CAROL? NO, I'M JUST INCHING. OKAY. SO IF THAT'S, THAT'S IT. SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, PUBLIC COMMENTS. WE HAVE A HANDFUL. OKAY. AND SO WHAT I'M GONNA DO REAL QUICK IS SINCE UM, I'M INVOLVED WITH MULTIPLE LITIGATION ON THE PLAINTIFF AND POSSIBLY THE DEFENDANT, I'M GONNA HAND THE MIC OVER TO THE DEPUTY MAYOR AND LET HIM HANDLE THE S AND BECAUSE OF LITIGATION, I'M GONNA STEP OUTTA THE ROOM AND LET YOU HANDLE IT, OKAY? OKAY. MAKE SURE, MAKE SURE EVERYBODY GETS THEIR THREE MINUTES. OKAY. THANK YOU. I DON'T LIKE THAT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. TAKE A LOOK HERE FIRST. I HAVE LONG ALLEN AUDIT. COME ON, VICE MAYOR. MA'AM, CAN, CAN I JUST ASK? OF COURSE. UM, IS THAT ALLOWED THAT HE STEP OUT? I'M JUST ASKING HAVE RIGHT TO ASK A QUESTION. NTRODUCE HIMSELF. YEAH, I, I CAN'T CONTROL RIGHT. IF HE NEEDED TO GO TO THE RESTROOM OR ANYTHING ELSE, SO, OKAY. I, I'LL LEAVE, I'LL LEAVE THAT TO THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS. AND THEN REAL QUICK, I WANNA MAKE SURE YOU GET YOUR FULL THREE MINUTES ON IT. I REMEMBER, I RECALL YOU MAY HAVE HAD OTHERS WITH YOU. CAN I PUT THEM NEXT TO YOU? DO YOU HAVE ANYBODY ELSE WITH YOU TODAY? UM, NO. YOU, NO. OKAY. JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, UH, WHEN, WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. WHAT? GOOD EVENING. HOLD ON. SHE HAS A QUESTION. MAKE SURE YOU WERE GONNA READ THIS DIRECTION. OH, I'M WHAT THE, UH, STANDARD POLICIES ARE SINCE THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, THERE WAS A DISPUTE ABOUT HOW THINGS WAS BEING HANDLED. I'M JUST GONNA MY THREE MINUTES. WE DO THAT. MINUTES. WE DID THAT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING. HE, HE DID. WE ANNOUNCED THE MEETING, SO, YEP. BUT, UM, ARE WE GOOD? DOES YOU HAVE HIS FULL TIME? YOU'RE GOOD MY FRIEND. TAKE CARE. OKAY, GOOD. UH, GOOD EVENING. UM, JUST WANNA SAY, DIDN'T THINK THE MAYOR WAS GONNA RUN AWAY LIKE A COWARD. UM, THAT WAS VERY INTERESTING. UH, ANYWAY, BY THE WAY, YOU RULE. SO IN, IN OUR STATEMENT, THERE WAS NO PERSONAL ATTACKS. I WILL AT, YOU'RE THE GUY WHO, THAT'S A PERSONAL PICTURES ONLINE VIDEO. NOW, SINCE DO NOT INTERRUPT MY TIME. COUNSEL, I'M SIR, SIR, I'M NOT TAKING TIME AWAY FROM YOU. I CAN CRITICIZE. YOU ARE A PUBLIC SERVANT. YOU NEED TO LEARN YOUR PLACE, PLACE. I CAN CRITICIZE WHOEVER. GO BACK PLEASE. BESO, GO, GO BACK MR. MR. CONLEY JUST WANTS TO MAKE SURE TO MENTION SOMETHING MR. CONLEY, AND WE'LL MAKE SURE YOU GET YOUR TIME BACK, SIR. LEMME JUST TALK TO THE LAWYER. SIR. CRITICISM OF PUBLIC OFFICIALS IS, IS NOT NECESSARILY A, A PERSONAL REMARK. LET'S, LET'S GIVE MR. REYES HIS, HIS TIME TO, TO STATE HIS PEACE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH, WE RESET THE CLOCK. READY? ALRIGHT, MR. REYES. ANYWAY, GOOD EVENING. SO I'LL SPEAK DIRECTLY TO MAYOR EE BECAUSE I JUST WANNA LET THE COUNCIL KNOW THAT YOUR RULES ABOUT NOT SPEAKING DIRECTLY TO COUNCIL MEMBERS. THAT'S CLEARLY UNCONSTITUTIONAL. THAT'S NOT A RULE THAT YOU COULD ENFORCE THAT, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN TO PUBLIC MEETINGS ACROSS THIS COUNTRY AND I'VE NEVER HEARD OF SOMEBODY SAYING, YOU CAN'T SPEAK DIRECTLY TO A COUNCIL MEMBER OR WHATEVER, JUST STUPID AND PETTY. BUT, UH, MAYOR RIA, I HOPE YOU DIDN'T THINK, 'CAUSE I KNOW HE'D BE WATCHING THIS MAYOR. A, YOU HOPE YOU DIDN'T THINK I WOULDN'T FLY BACK DOWN HERE. YOU SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER. I WILL MAKE SURE YOU'RE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR YOUR MISCONDUCT. EVERY BIT OF IT. NOW LET'S REMIND EVERYONE EXACTLY WHAT KIND OF LEADERSHIP WE'RE DEALING WITH. CREDIBLE ALLEGATIONS AGAINST MAYOR. A ALPHA INCLUDE CONSPIRING WITH THE MELBOURNE FI POLICE CHIEF TO OUST OFFICERS. HE PERSONALLY DISLIKED WEAPONIZING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO INTIMIDATE HIS LATE BROTHER'S WIDOW AND DAUGHTER AND EVEN TAMPERING WITH NARCOTICS LOGS WITHOUT WITNESS SIGNATURES 22 TIMES. THEN THERE'S THE FRAUDULENT, YOU LOSE USE OF HIS DECEASED BROTHER'S CREDIT CARD FOR LUXURY CRUISES, CRYOTHERAPY AND BRAZILIAN TV FOR HIS MISTRESS. LOCKING YOUR OWN BROTHER'S WIDOW OUT OF THE FAMILY BUSINESS, LIQUIDATING ASSETS WITHOUT HER CONSENT AND USING A NOTARY STAMP TO FALSIFY DOCUMENTS. THOSE AREN'T JUST ALLEGATIONS, MAYOR. THOSE ARE CRIMES. YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO SERVE THE PEOPLE OF MELBOURNE WITH INTEGRITY. BUT HOW CAN THAT BE POSSIBLE WHEN YOU HAVE NONE? AND ALSO A COWARD. SAY IT AGAIN. AND NOW, INSTEAD OF SHOWING ANY ACCOUNTABILITY, YOU FILED A LAWSUIT AGAINST YOUR OWN BROTHER'S, WIDOW AND DAUGHTER FOR EXPOSING YOUR CORRUPTION, THE AUDACITY. I'VE ALSO BEEN INFORMED THAT YOU PERSONALLY TRIED TO CONTACT YOUTUBE TO HAVE MY INVESTIGATIVE REPORT REMOVED. THAT'S CALLED CENSORSHIP MAYOR, YOU DON'T GET TO SILENCE THE TRUTH OR CRITICISM LIKE [00:25:01] THIS. COUNCILMAN JUST TRIED TO DO. YOU WERE RECENTLY SERVED THE MAYOR. SO EVERYBODY KNOWS THE MAYOR JUST OUTSIDE WAS RECENTLY SERVED WITH A DEFAMATION LAWSUIT THAT I FILED AGAINST HIM FOR FALSELY CLAIMING THAT I SENT HIM DEATH THREATS. I'VE NEVER SENT ANYONE DEATH THREATS. AND THEN HE POSTS ON HIS SOCIAL MEDIA VILE COMMENTS FOR SURE, BUT NOT DEATH THREATS. THAT LIE WAS MALICIOUS AND POLITICALLY MOTIVATED. AND IT'S TIME YOU ANSWER FOR IT IN COURT, THEN HE WILL, I WILL NOT ALLOW YOU OR ANYONE ELSE IN POWER. YOU RIGHT THERE. ME TO WEAPONIZE PUBLIC OFFICE TO LIE TO USE INTIMIDATION AND RETALIATION AGAINST CRITICS OR VICTIMS IS OUR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT TO CRITICIZE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU. IF YOU DIDN'T WANT TO BE A PUBLIC SERVANT, SHOULD HAVE CHOSE ANOTHER CAREER PROFESSION. A BANK TELLER, I DON'T KNOW, HEDGE FUND MANAGER, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOOD AT. I YOUTUBE COULD START A YOUTUBE CHANNEL. UM, ANYWAY, THE PEOPLE OF MELBOURNE DESERVE TRANSPARENCY, NOT TYRANNY. AND MAYOR WORDS, WORD, WORD TRAVELS FAST. I'VE HEARD LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES THAT YOU DON'T CONTROL ARE WATCHING VERY CLOSELY. ACCOUNTABILITY IS COMING. THANK YOU. PUBLIC SERVANT. REMEMBER, YOU'RE A PUBLIC SERVANT. DO NOT ANYBODY CAN CRITICIZE YOU AT ANY TIME. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, NEXT. GOOD JOB. NEXT SPEAKER, KAI HARRELSON, FOLLOWED BY MICHAEL O'HARE. UM, MY PRESENTATION, OH, I SHOULD START IT AT THE, THE FRONT. GOOD EVENING, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. UM, MY NAME'S KAI HARRELSON. I'M FROM ROCKLEDGE. UM, I AM A STUDENT AT EASTERN FLORIDA STATE COLLEGE, AND I ALSO AM ONE OF THE FOUNDERS OF OUR TURNING POINT CHAPTER AT OUR COLLEGE. UM, I WENT TO OUR SPACE COAST PRIDE BEST HERE IN OUR CITY AFTER SPEAKING AND ASKING YOU ALL TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, UM, IN TERMS OF PROTECTING THE CHILDREN. UM, SO BECAUSE NOTHING HAPPENED, I WENT AND RECORDED WHAT THE CHILDREN ARE BEING EXPOSED TO. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SHOW YOU, UM, IF YOU COULD MOVE TO THE NEXT SLIDE. UM, THERE WAS THIS MAN ON STILTS AND, UM, IF YOU KEEP GOING, HIS BULGE WAS VERY, VERY EXPOSED, UM, TO CHILDREN. SO, UH, AND THIS ONE, UH, A DRAG PERFORMER WAS PERFORMING AND, UH, LICKED THEIR FINGERS LIKE A PENIS, UH, VERY SEXUALLY. IT WAS VERY BAD. UM, THEY WERE GRABBING THEIR, UM, IMAGINARY BREASTS. I'M NOT SURE THEIR BUTTOCKS AS WELL. UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF KIDS AT THIS EVENT, AND SHAME ON YOU GUYS FOR NOT DOING SOMETHING TO CANCEL THIS. AND NOT THAT, THAT I THINK THAT THE GAY PRIDE MOVEMENT, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE THEIR FIRST AMENDMENT. THEY'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE THEIR, THEIR SPACE. I THINK THAT THAT IS SO IMPORTANT TO LIKE, PROTECT FOR THEM. BUT WHEN IT COMES TO PROTECTING OUR CHILDREN FROM ANY SORT OF SEXUAL NATURE OF LIKE, YOU CAN'T BRING A KID TO A STRIP CLUB. SO WHY ARE YOU GONNA EXPOSE TO A, A CHILD TO A VERY SIMILAR EXPERIENCE? VERY SIMILAR EXPERIENCE. SO, UM, IF WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE SLIDES, UH, IF YOU CAN, UH, LOOK ON THE ONE ON THE LEFT, ON MY LEFT. UH, THAT'S THE DRAG PERFORMER LICKING THEIR FINGERS IN A SEXUAL LEWD WAY, UH, ALSO GRABBING THEIR BREASTS. YOU CAN CONTINUE. UM, AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER WHERE YOU CAN SEE, UH, JUST HOW MUCH OF THEIR BUTTOCKS IS EXPOSED TO THIS LITTLE GIRL. UM, YOU CAN CONTINUE, UH, I ARE YOU ABLE TO PLAY A VIDEO REAL QUICK? I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF IT PLAYS. OKAY, IF NOT, THERE WAS A LOT OF DIFFERENT MEN, UH, DRESSED UP IN VERY, VERY PRO PROVOCATIVE CLOTHING. SO, UM, AND THE POLICE DIDN'T REALLY DO ANYTHING ABOUT THIS. THEIR INTERACTIONS WITH CHILDREN WERE NOT, I WOULD SAY INAPPROPRIATE, BUT I THINK JUST THEM HAVING INTERACTION WITH CHILDREN DRESSED IN THIS MANNER IS INAPPROPRIATE. UH, YOU CAN CONTINUE, UM, YOU CAN CONTINUE AFTER THIS ONE. SO, UH, THERE SHOULD BE A VIDEO RIGHT THERE. UM, THERE'S A VIDEO OF A CHILD PLAYING WITH THEIR FAMILY RIGHT NEXT TO THIS MAN DRESSED UP IN FULL BDS ATTIRE. SO, UM, YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT THIS IS WHAT'S HAPPENING IN OUR CITY. THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE ALLOWING TO HAPPEN IN OUR CITY, AND PLEASE DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT TO PROTECT THESE CHILDREN. PLEASE, PLEASE DO NOT LET THIS HAPPEN AGAIN. THANK YOU. NEXT IS MICHAEL O'HARE, FOLLOWED BY BRADY FLANDERS. [00:30:07] MY NAME'S MICHAEL O'HARE, 3 1 7 0 CALGARY STREET IN MELBOURNE. UH, I FIRST CAME BEFORE THIS AUGUST BODY IN FEBRUARY, UH, REGARDING THE PAVING OF CALGARY STREET IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. CAME BACK IN, UH, AUGUST. ON AUGUST 12TH, I TALKED TO YOUR CITY ENGINEER. I WAS TOLD THAT, UH, THE FUNDS HAD BEEN ALLOCATED AND WORK ORDERS ISSUED. AND HERE WE ARE, UH, EIGHT MONTHS ON FROM MY FIRST FEBRUARY APPEARANCE, AND OUR STREET CONTINUES TO DETERIORATE. UM, I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION AND JUST LOOKING FOR, UH, SOME KIND OF UPDATE OR SOME KIND OF ANSWER ON WHEN OUR STREET IS GONNA BE PAVED. UM, DO WE, JENNY, I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. I DON'T KNOW IF, UM, THE CITY ENGINEER DOES. UM, BUT I DO KNOW THAT WE DID, UM, WE, WE VIDEO INSPECTED THE PIPING, I BELIEVE CALGARY, CALGARY STREET WAS IN THE LAST ROUND OF, UM, PIPE LINING PROJECTS THAT WE WERE DOING. WHICH THEN THE, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE NEXT STEP IS WE NEED TO LINE THE PIPES AND THEN IT'S ON THE, IT'S ON FOR PAVING. AS SOON AS THOSE PIPES GET LINED, I, OKAY, I GOT A NOD OF APPROVAL. SO YES, I REMEMBER THAT CORRECTLY. SO THEY SHOULD BE OUT THERE LINING THE PIPES, UM, UNDER CALGARY STREET, AND THEN THEY WILL, THE NEXT STEP WILL BE THE ACTUAL RESURFACING OF IT. DO WE KNOW WHEN THAT MIGHT BE? I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I WILL HAVE THE CITY ENGINEER LET YOU KNOW. AND THEN I WILL LET COUNSEL KNOW TOMORROW. UH, AND ARE, CAN I TALK TO MR. S AND YEAH. AND, AND SIR, DO, DO THEY HAVE YOUR INFORMATION WHERE THEY CAN KEEP UP TO DATE WITH YOU, UM, AFTER THIS MEETING? SURE. IF YOU WANNA MAKE SURE, GIVE IT TO THE CLERK'S OFFICE HERE AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THEY NO, NO, I GAVE IT TO OKAY, PERFECT. PREVIOUSLY, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, SO WE CAN GET YOU THOSE UPDATES. OKAY. PERFECT. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL. ALRIGHT, NEXT IS BRADY FLANDERS, FOLLOWED BY RACHEL SIMMONS. WHAT'S UP COUNSEL? UH, I JUST CAME FROM A RA UH, TONIGHT. THERE WAS A CHARLIE KIRK MOTION THAT GOT THROWN UP ON THE COUNTY COMMISSION AND WOULDN'T YOU KNOW IT, UH, ALL FIVE PEOPLE VOTED THROUGH. IT'S A PRETTY WILD CONCEPT, BUT, UH, BECAUSE I DIDN'T EVEN GET A CHANCE TO SPEAK TONIGHT, I'M JUST GONNA READ MY COMMENTS. I WAS GONNA READ TO THEM, TO YOU IN A SENSE. SO, UH, LISTEN, I WAS GONNA COME UP HERE TONIGHT AND BE KIND, GRACEFUL, STOIC, POETIC. THAT'S JUST THE KIND OF FELLOW I AM. I WAS GONNA DEFEND CHARLIE KIRK'S GOOD NAME. I WAS GONNA PROVE THAT SOME OF THE INSANE CLAIMS MADE, UH, ARE JUST CATEGORICALLY FALSE. I WAS GONNA POINT OUT HOW INHUMAN IT IS TO GLORIFY AND OR CELEBRATE THE DEATH OF AN AMERICAN MAN WHO DID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING BUT TRY TO HAVE A POLITE AND GRACEFUL DISCOURSE OF PEOPLE THAT HE DISAGREED WITH. SOMEONE WHO PUSHED CRAZY VALUES, SUCH AS GET MARRIED AND HAVE KIDS. IT'S, I HOPEFULLY YOU BUCKLED UP FOR THAT. IT'S PRETTY RADICAL STUFF. UH, IN SHORT, WHAT I WAS GONNA DO TONIGHT IS I WAS GONNA COME UP AND I WAS GONNA DO WHAT CONSERVATIVES TEND TO DO. I WAS GONNA PLAY ON DEFENSE AND I CHOSE NOT TO DO THAT. UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN OF THE JURY, I, I, I'M NOT HERE TO PROVIDE YOU WITH NEW INFORMATION. UH, I'M HERE TO BE A REMINDER PERSONIFIED. I'M HERE TO STATE A SIMPLE AND OBVIOUS TRUTH. OUR FOUNDERS, THEY MIGHT EVEN CALL THIS AS SELF-EVIDENT TRUTH, POTENTIALLY. WHO'S TO SAY, THOUGH? UH, REPUBLICANS, CONSERVATIVES, THE RIGHT, WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT, WE'RE IN THE MAJORITY. AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, AND FORGET THE THREE MINUTES. REMEMBER THESE THREE SECONDS, THE EXTREMELY VOCAL MINORITY FRINGE IN THE ROOM A FEW WEEKS AGO THAT WERE IN THE ROOM TONIGHT. THEY'RE NOT AN ACCURATE REPRESENTATION OF YOUR CONSTITUENCY. UM, IF ANYONE IN THIS ROOM, BY THE WAY, DOESN'T BELIEVE THAT CLAIM TO BE TRUE, I'LL REMIND YOU, I'LL REFER YOU TO EXHIBIT A. THAT'D BE GEORGIA, NORTH CAROLINA, PENNSYLVANIA, MICHIGAN, WISCONSIN, NEVADA, AND ARIZONA. NOW THAT'S EXHIBIT A. EXHIBIT B IS GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT LARGER. WE OWN THE WHITE HOUSE. WE OWN BOTH HOUSES OF CONGRESS. WE HAVE A LARGE CONSERVATIVE MAJORITY ON THE SUPREME COURT. WE WON THE POPULAR VOTE. AND LET'S TALK ABOUT OUR STATE. OUR STATE IS BLOOD RED. THERE'S 67 COUNTIES IN THE FREE STATE OF FLORIDA, AND 61 OF THEM ARE RED. OUR COUNTIES RED, OUR CONGRESSMAN'S PU REPUBLICAN, OUR STATE REPRESENTATIVES, OUR REPUBLICAN, OUR LOCAL MAYORS ARE REPUBLICAN. OUR CITY COUNCILS AND THE COUNTY COMMISSION, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A NONPARTISAN THING, ARE COMPRISED OF MOSTLY REPUBLICANS. SO I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE SILENT MAJORITY AS OPPOSED TO THE LOUD FRINGE MINORITY IN SAYING THAT WE'RE SICK AND TIRED OF VOTING FOR SO-CALLED REPUBLICAN LEADERS WHO RUN FOR OFFICE AS A REPUBLICAN, GET INTO OFFICE AND THEN KOWTOW TO THE PRESSURE OF LOUD HECKLING, BULLYING, LEFTISTS. IT'S JUST, IT'S, IT'S EMBARRASSING. NOW, I'M A LITTLE NAIVE. I'M KIND OF NEW TO POLITICS, I SUPPOSE. I DIDN'T KNOW POLITICIANS WERE AS COWARDLY AND AS SPINELESS AS PEOPLE CLAIM THEM TO BE. BUT WHAT I'M ASKING FOR TONIGHT IS TO, WELL, I'M REFERRING TO THE MELBOURNE CITY COUNCIL. DON'T BE LIKE THE SO-CALLED REPUBLICANS ON THE MELBOURNE CITY COUNCIL, FIND A SPINE, UH, DO WHAT A REPUBLICAN SHOULD DO. [00:35:01] AND LASTLY, I'D LIKE TO WISH MR. CHARLIE KIRK A HAPPY BIRTHDAY. HE'S NOT HERE, SO THANKS. ALL RIGHT. RACHEL SIMMONS, FOLLOWED BY STEVEN, UH, BANKMAN BOMAN. HELLO COUNCIL. I'M HAPPY TO REPORT THAT PRIDE PARADE AND FESTIVAL WENT VERY WELL. BRIGHT COLORS, MUSIC, AND LOTS OF BUBBLES DESPITE THE PRESENCE OF SOME MISGUIDED AGITATORS WHO DID THINGS LIKE BLOCK GOLF CARTS WHO WERE ON PATROL FOR PUBLIC SAFETY. I'D LIKE TO SPEAK ABOUT TWO MAJOR POINTS ON PRIDE EVENTS, CONCERNS ON SEXUAL EXPRESSION AND REALITIES OF SUICIDE PREVENTION. FIRSTLY, A CHILD WOULD SEE MORE EXPOSED SKIN AND SEXUAL ACTIVITY AT THE BEACH OR A TAILGATE PARTY THAN THEY WOULD AT SPACE COAST. PRIDE. THE ARGUMENT THAT PRIDE IS ABOUT SEXUAL ORIENTATION AND SO MUST BE SEXUAL IN NATURE IS FRANKLY RIDICULOUS. THAT WOULD BE LIKE SAYING CHILDREN CAN'T GO TO WEDDINGS BECAUSE THE PEOPLE THERE ARE ABOUT TO HAVE SEX OR THAT CHILDREN CAN'T BE IN GROCERY STORES BECAUSE CONDOMS ARE SOLD THERE. IT'S A STRAW MAN ARGUMENT THAT INFRINGES ON PARENTS' RIGHTS TO SUPPORT THEIR CHILDREN AS ANY REASONABLE PA REASONABLE PARENT WOULD GIVEN THE LIMITED AVAILABILITY OF PRIDE EVENTS IN THIS COUNTY TO RAISE THE AGE LIMIT OF THE ANNUAL SPACE COAST PRIDE PARADE AND FESTIVAL WOULD EFFECTIVELY DENY THOSE CHILDREN AND TEENS ACCESS TO ANY PRIDE EVENTS ISOLATING THE CHILD WHO IS IN DESPERATE NEED OF COMMUNITY. WHICH LEADS ME TO MY SECOND POINT. ON A DAILY, IF NOT HOURLY BASIS, QUEER KIDS AND ADULTS FACE DEMONIZATION AND HATE FOR WHO THEY ARE, PARTICULARLY TRANSGENDER KIDS. IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT BLACK AND BROWN TRANS PEOPLE TAKE THE LARGEST HIT OF THAT HATE AS BLACK AND BROWN PEOPLE ALWAYS DO. EVIDENCED IN THE INCREASED VIOLENT AND ILLEGAL DETAINMENT OF BLACK AND BROWN US CITIZENS BY ICE. THE SEMI CONSTANT ONSLAUGHT OF HATRED PILES UP STRESS ON QUEER PEOPLE THAT RESULTS IN DECLINING MENTAL AND PHYSICAL HEALTH. THE SOCIAL BACKLASH OF BEING QUEER CAN PUSH KIDS AND ADULTS INTO FURTHER ISOLATION. UNFORTUNATELY, THIS OFTEN LEADS TO A FEELING OF SUCH HOPELESSNESS THAT THEY DECIDE TO TAKE THEIR OWN LIVES TO CREATE A METAPHOR. WHEN YOU WALK AROUND HAVING POISON THROWN ON YOU, IT'S NO SURPRISE WHEN YOU START DYING. AS WE FIGHT FOR A BETTER FUTURE AND WAIT FOR POLITICIANS AND LEGISLATION TO CATCH UP WITH ACCEPTANCE. THESE PRIDE EVENTS HELP FIGHT AGAINST THE HATE, AGAINST THAT HATE, THAT ISOLATION, THAT POISON. ON A PERSONAL NOTE, GROWING UP, I HAD BETTER CIRCUMSTANCES WITH SOCIAL ACCEPTANCE THAN MOST. I HAD PARENTS THAT LOVED ME, FRIENDS THAT SUPPORTED ME, AND TEACHERS I COULD TURN TO, AS WELL AS GROWING UP IN A CITY WITH RESOURCES FOR KIDS LIKE ME. AND YET I STILL FACE BACKLASH, BULLYING AND THREATS FROM NEIGHBORS, CLASSMATES, AND EVEN STRANGERS ON THE INTERNET. I GREW UP KNOWING THAT MANY HATED ME FOR WHO I AM. AND IT TOOK ITS TOLL. IF I HAD HAD TO WAIT UNTIL I WAS 18 OR 21 TO GO TO MY FIRST PRIDE PARADE, MY FIRST PRIDE EVENT, I WOULD NOT STILL BE ALIVE TODAY. THANK YOU. STEVEN BINGMAN IS DOING IT. HOW DO YOU SAY HER LAST NAME, SIR? BOARDMAN BOARDMAN. AH, THAT'S AN R. PERFECT. ALRIGHT. FOLLOWED BY TYLER WHITE. OKAY. I'VE ALSO BEEN SUBJECT TO ABUSE BY THE MELBOURNE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND MAYOR PAUL EY. IN MY FIRST COMPLAINT AGAINST THE MELBOURNE POLICE DEPARTMENT, CHIEF DAVID GILLESPIE TWICE INTERFERED WITH AN INTERNAL AFFAIRS INVESTIGATION. THE FIRST INTERFERENCE WAS WHEN CHIEF GILLESPIE ILLEGALLY MODIFIED MY COMPLAINT FROM VIOLATIONS OF LAW AND POLICY TO CONDUCT UNBECOMING TO PREVENT AN INTERNAL AFFAIRS INVESTIGATION. INTERNAL AFFAIRS REFUSED TO RECEIVE EVIDENCE FOR THE INVESTIGATION AND WAS ALSO AWARE LIEUTENANT GWIS AS INVESTIGATOR PROUDLY PROCLAIMS HIS BIAS AGAINST ME. WHEN I TRIED NINE TIMES TO SPEAK WITH CHIEF GILLESPIE ABOUT THE LACK OF AN INVESTIGATION, I WENT TO CITY MANAGER SHANNON LEWIS. AFTER STRUGGLING FOR TWO WEEKS TO GET A MEETING, I ARRIVED TO FIND SHE HAD INVITED CHIEF GILLESPIE AND MAYOR RE TO SIT IN ON A MEETING WHERE MAYOR EY HARASSED ME AND BERATED ME. AND CHIEF GILLESPIE FALSELY ACCUSED ME OF STALKING HIS SECRETARY, THEREBY MAKING IT IMPOSSIBLE TO PRESENT EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY. I THEN TRIED MULTIPLE TIMES TO GET THE DEPARTMENT VIDEOS TO PROVE MY INNOCENT, BUT CHIEF GILLESPIE REFUSED MY FOIA DEMANDS AND HAD THE VIDEOS DESTROYED. I SPOKE WITH INTERNAL AFFAIRS LIEUTENANT SHORE ABOUT THE IMPROPER INVESTIGATION. HE SAID HE WOULD LOOK INTO IT, BUT AFTER TWO WEEKS WITH NO WORD HE TOLD ME, CHIEF GILLESPIE ORDERED HIM TO STOP THE INVESTIGATION SAYING HE DOES WHATEVER THE CHIEF TELLS HIM TO DO. THIS WAS THE SECOND INTERFERENCE WITH INTERNAL AFFAIRS BY CHIEF GILLESPIE. AND MY SECOND COMPLAINT, I LAID OUT THE FIRST AND FOURTH AMENDMENT RETALIATION BY OFFICER COLVIN, WHERE THERE EXISTS DOCUMENTED FALSE CHARGES AND LACK OF PROBABLE CAUSE. THE DEPARTMENT REFUSED TO PROVIDE PUBLIC RECORDS AND DISCOVERY IN VIOLATION OF FLORIDA PUBLIC RECORDS. LAWS [00:40:01] HEAD ASIDE FROM INTERNAL AFFAIRS SAID I NEEDED TO FILE A COMPLAINT OR GET A LAWYER WHEN I DEMANDED PUBLIC RECORDS. THE DEPARTMENT MODIFIED BODY CAM AND DASH CAM VIDEOS BY ERASING AUDIO AND VIDEO IMPORTANT TO MY DEFENSE. DURING TRIAL, OFFICER CULVER COLVIN PERJURED HIMSELF THREE TIMES IN COURT AND TESTIFIED ON DISCOVERY ITEMS REFUSED BY THE MELBOURNE POLICE DEPARTMENT SHOWING COLLUSION WITH THE COURTS. THE MELBOURNE CITY ATTORNEY KILLED MY RIGHT TO APPEAL AND PROTECTED THE JUDGE OFFICER COLVIN AND THE MELBOURNE POLICE DEPARTMENT FROM ACCOUNTABILITY. KNOWING CHIEF GILLESPIE WOULD MODIFY MY COMPLAINT AND KNOWING INTERNAL AFFAIRS HAS STATED THEY DO WHATEVER THE CHIEF TELLS THEM. I GAVE EACH MEMBER OF THIS COUNCIL MY COMPLAINT. WHEN I RECEIVED NO WORD OF MY COMPLAINT, I CAME TO THIS COUNCIL TO ASK ABOUT THE STATUS. ONE YEAR AGO, ON OCTOBER 22ND, MAYOR PAUL ALRE PUBLICLY PROCLAIMED, HE THREW MY COMPLAINT INTO THE TRASH, A BLATANT VIOLATION OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT AND AN INTERFERENCE OF THE COMPLAINT PROCESS. IN JANUARY, I WAS FALSELY ARRESTED FOR EXERCISING MY RIGHTS. I WAS ARRESTED FOR NOT COMPLYING WITH THE COPS AND I REFUSED TO ID MYSELF. THE DEPARTMENT SUBMITTED MODIFIED VIDEOS OF MY ARREST TO THE STATE ATTORNEY WHERE THE FIRST FOUR MINUTES WERE DELETED. THE MISSING VIDEO SHOWS THAT I DID NOT REFUSE TO COMPLY UNLESS OFFICER DIEHL COULD ARTICULATE A CRIME. I ALSO READ IN THE STATUTE THAT PROVED THERE WAS NO PROBABLE CAUSE. HONKING YOUR HORN AT THE COPS IS NOT A CRIME IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. SO NO PROBABLE CAUSE EXISTED FOR THE ILLEGAL STOP, BUT THE FALSE ARREST AND MODIFIED VIDEOS IS MORE EVIDENCE OF THE CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR OF THE MELBOURNE POLICE DEPARTMENT. UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF CHIEF DAVID GILLESPIE AND MAYOR PAUL RE NEXT IS TYLER WHITE AND THEN SALLY BOW. HELLO, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS TYLER. UM, I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE, UH, PRIDE EVENT AS WELL. 'CAUSE I WAS THERE AS WELL, UH, PROTESTING IT. UM, I JUST DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT CHILDREN SHOULD BE EXPOSED TO THAT KIND OF MANNER AS MY FELLOW MEMBERS SHOULD. UH, KAI SAID IT'S PR PRACTICALLY A STRIP CLUB. IT IT REALLY IS. THERE ARE, THERE ARE PEOPLE WEARING BARELY ANY CLOTHING. THERE'S, I THOUGHT AT LEAST 10 OR 15 CHILDREN TOTALLY UN UM, UNGUARDED. THERE WERE NOBODY, NO PARENTS AROUND, NOTHING. THEY WERE JUST WALKING ON THEIR OWN. UM, WE JUST, CHILDREN ARE THE FUTURE. THEY NEED TO BE PROTECTED. THEY DON'T NEED TO BE, UM, THEY DON'T NEED TO BE EXPOSED TO THIS KIND OF MATERIAL NECESSARILY IN THEIR LIFE WHEN THEIR BRAINS ARE STILL DEVELOPING. AND I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S RIGHT. UM, I MEAN, I WAS THERE. UM, MY, MY MEMBER, UM, KAI GOT, UM, SHE GOT ASSAULTED THERE BY, UH, PEOPLE THAT PREACH PEACE AND, UM, AND UNITY. BUT, BUT THAT'S NOT THE ONLY THING. I MEAN, I WAS ATTACKED ONLINE FOR BEING THERE FOR, UH, SPEAKING MY MIND AND MY FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT. I JUST, THERE'S, THERE'S NO NEED FOR THIS KIND OF MATERIAL FOR CHILDREN. THERE REALLY ISN'T. THERE'S, THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT WAYS THAT THERE, THERE'S PLACES WHERE YOU CAN TAKE YOUR CHILDREN TO, UM, DAYCARE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT YOU CAN STILL GO TO THE EVENT WITHOUT HAVING TO BRING YOUR CHILDREN TO THERE. THAT, I MEAN, AS, AS SHE MENTIONED, THERE ARE, THERE, THERE'S JUST SO MANY, UM, ADULT THINGS THERE THAT IT SHOULD REALLY BE AN, I BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE AN 18 AND ABOVE TYPE OF EVENT THAT DOESN'T NEED TO INVOLVE CHILDREN AT ALL. UH, THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE TO SAY ON THE MATTER. UM, THANK YOU SALLY BOW, FOLLOWED BY JOHN EMERY. THIS THE LAST TWO. HI, MY NAME'S SALLY. UM, I'M A RESIDENT OF BREVARD COUNTY AND, UM, I AM HERE ON BEHALF OF THE MELBOURNE FOOD NOT BOMBS. HOWEVER, I DO HAVE TO MAKE A BRIEF ASIDE FIRST AND SAY THAT THANK GOD I GET TO MAKE MY DECISIONS. MY MA'AM, PLEASE ADDRESS THE COUNCIL. THANK GOODNESS I GET TO MAKE MY DECISIONS FOR MY CHILDREN ON MY BEHALF. UH, 'CAUSE I CAN'T IMAGINE SOMEBODY LIKE CERTAIN PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE MAKING THEM. I HOPE THEY DON'T HAVE ANY KIDS. AT ANY RATE, I'M HERE IN RESPONSE TO LAST MONTH'S DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLY RELOCATING FOOD NOT BOMBS AS SUNDAY SHARINGS. FIRST, I NOTE THAT ONCE AGAIN, WE WERE EXPLICITLY THE TOPIC CONVERSATION. UM, AND WE'RE NOT NOTIFIED. NOBODY HAS BOTHERED TO BRING US INTO THE DISCUSSION AT ALL. AND I DO SAY WE ARE EXPLICITLY THE TOPIC, EVEN IF WE, UH, YOU ALL TRY TO AVOID SAYING US BECAUSE WE ARE THE ONLY ONES APPLYING FOR THE LARGE GROUP SHARING, UH, FEEDING PERMITS. UM, AND IN FACT, I BELIEVE WE WERE NAMED AT LAST MONTH'S [00:45:01] MEETING. UM, BUT AGAIN, SO I ASKED FOR THE COMMON COURTESY OF BEING NOTIFIED AND BROUGHT INTO THE DISCUSSION. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, YOU HAVEN'T, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, BROUGHT ANY OF THE PEOPLE WHO COME TO OUR SHARES TO EAT INTO THIS DISCUSSION. UM, AND THEY'RE THE ONES WHO ARE MOST DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY THE DECISIONS THAT THIS COUNCIL MAKES. UM, AND THEY ARE MEMBERS OF THIS COMMUNITY TOO. YOUR NEIGHBORS ARE NOT JUST THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE INSIDE HOUSES. YOUR NEIGHBORS ARE THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I ASK ALSO, AGAIN, BRING US INTO THE DISCUSSION FOR THOSE WHO MAY HAVE MISSED IT. CITY COUNCIL IS PROPOSING AMENDING THE ORDINANCE TO, UM, MAKE FOOD NOT BOMBS, ROTATE PARKS FOR OUR SHARINGS, WHICH MAY SOUND LIKE A GREAT SOLUTION OR TOTALLY REASONABLE IF YOU ARE COMPLETELY UNFAMILIAR WITH THE REALITIES OF BEING UNHOUSED OR DISADVANTAGED. UM, THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT BARRIERS TO ACCESS, UM, TO ACCESSING THE, UH, SERVICES WE PROVIDE. WHEN WE STARTED AT OUR CURRENT LOCATION, UM, 13, 14 MONTHS AGO, IT TOOK PROBABLY THREE MONTHS FOR WORD TO FILTER OUT TO THE COMMUNITY WHERE WE WERE. AND THAT WAS EVEN AFTER THEY KNEW US BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN WORKING THERE, WORKING WITH THEM FOR THREE AND A HALF OR FOUR YEARS. BY THAT POINT, A LOT OF THEM DON'T HAVE PHONES OR HAVE UNRELIABLE ACCESS TO PHONES. UM, SO THEY MAY NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO FIND OUT WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE ANY GIVEN WEEK. AND NOT ONLY THAT, A LOT OF THEM ARE DEPENDENT ON BUSES, BIKES, OR THEY WALK THERE. UM, SO I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT PARKING SPACES, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY BROUGHT UP HOW CLOSE ANY OF THESE PARKS ARE TO BUS LINES THAT ARE SERVICED AROUND THAT TIME. UM, SOMEONE MENTIONED, I'M CONSCIOUS OF THE TIME, UM, YOU CAN WRAP UP YOUR COMMENT. OKAY. UM, I LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT. NOW THE TRAIN OF THOUGHT DEPARTED THE STATION AND I DIDN'T HAVE A TICKET. I'LL HAVE TO COME BACK TO IT SOME OTHER TIME. THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. AND THE NEXT IS JOHN EMERY, FOLLOWED BY ZACHARY BECKMAN. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'M UP HERE SPEAKING TO THE CITY COUNCIL. I GUESS I SHOULD INTRODUCE MYSELF A LITTLE BIT. UM, I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE 1954. UH, IN 1976, I MOVED IN WITH MY PARTNER JERRY PRESTON, TO FORM PRESTON STUDIOS. SOME OF YOU MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH MY STAINED GLASS. IT'S BEEN AROUND, UM, KNOWN NATIONALLY AND INTERNATIONALLY FOR THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE, ALL THE WORK ACROSS HOLY TRINITY HERE IN MELBOURNE. UH, MY PARTNER CUT ALL THE GLASS OUT FOR THAT. UH, I DO HAVE, UH, THREE KIDS BY THREE DIFFERENT WOMEN AND, AND EIGHT GRANDDAUGHTERS. BUT JERRY PRESTON WAS THE LOVE OF MY LIFE AND THE CENTER OF WHO I HAVE BEEN ALL THESE YEARS. AND SO I WAS VERY GLAD TO BE AT THE PRIDE EVENT THAT THEY WERE SPEAKING ABOUT. AND IT WAS QUITE, UH, A SURPRISE TO ME THAT IT WAS SO THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WERE THERE AND IT WAS JUST A JOY TO KNOW THAT, UH, GAY PEOPLE COULD BE SO WELL ACCEPTED AND ENJOYED IN THE COMMUNITY. AND I'M HOPING THAT IF ANYONE'S CONSIDERING NAMING A STREET AFTER KIRK, THAT THAT IS NOT DONE BECAUSE SOME OF THE STUFF THAT HE SAID WAS VERY OFFENSIVE TO THE GAY COMMUNITY. AND I THINK YOU ALL KNOW SOME OF WHAT HE'S SAID IN TERMS OF, UH, UH, THAT, UH, STONING OF GAY PEOPLE, UH, TO DEATH WAS PERFECTLY ALL RIGHT. SO I I I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF OF DIFFERENT OPINIONS ON THIS AND I UNDERSTAND ALL THE OPINIONS. UM, BUT, UH, THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WHO ARE VERY PLEASED AND, AND GLAD THAT WE HAD THE PRIDE FEST HERE IN MELBOURNE. UH, ZACHARY BECKMAN. AND THEN THAT'S THE LAST PUBLIC COMMENT THAT I HAVE. HELLO COUNSEL. MY NAME IS ZACHARY BECKMAN OUT OF COCOA, FLORIDA. AND I JUST WANNA SAY FIRST AND FOREMOST, I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED THAT WE WERE NOT ABLE TO PASS THE ROAD CHANGE NAME HERE IN MELBOURNE, FLORIDA. UM, I FEEL LIKE THAT WAS VERY DISRESPECTFUL TO CHARLIE, KURT WHO WAS ASSASSINATED IN FRONT OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ON TELEVISION. UM, I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD ACTUALLY HAVE A ROAD NAME IN COMMEMORATION OF HIM. UH, ME AND MY FELLOW MEMBER KAI, WE WENT TO THE BREVARD COUNTY, UH, COUNCIL MEETING EARLIER TODAY. AND KAI, PLEASE STAND UP AND SHOW THE PLAQUE. UH, THEY PASSED THE, UM, RESOLUTION FOR CHARLIE KIRK REMEMBRANCE [00:50:01] DAY ON HIS BIRTHDAY TODAY, UH, FIVE ZERO UNANIMOUS DECISION. UM, SO VERY DISAPPOINTED THAT WE WEREN'T ABLE TO DO ANYTHING DOWN HERE AS A CITY AND IN FACT WE HAD TO GO BIGGER TO THE COUNTY. UM, SO THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE TO SAY. UM, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE GONNA BRING IT UP TO THE BREVARD COUNTY, UH, COUNCIL AND SEE IF THEY ARE ABLE TO GET A ROAD CHANGE NAME SINCE MELBOURNE CLEARLY COULD NOT. THANK Y'ALL AND HAVE A GOOD ONE. ALRIGHT, ANYBODY ELSE? ME SEEING NONE. ALRIGHT, I'M GONNA CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENTS. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. NOW I'M UNDER THE, I'M OF THE UNDERSTANDING, JENNY, THAT ITEM EIGHT IS BEING POSTPONED SO THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. OH, SO UNDER THE PROCESS, ADAM, WOULD YOU ABSOLUTELY CONTINUE? SO THIS IS, UH, ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025 DASH 41, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, PROVIDING FOR THE VACATION OF A 15 FOOT WIDE BIKE PATH EASEMENT THAT RUNS ACROSS THE EAST 15 FEET OF LOT ONE 18 BLOCK A OF THE WICKHAM FOREST, PHASE ONE PLAT BETWEEN 24 65 AND 24 55 WILDWOOD DRIVE, MAKING FINDINGS, PROVIDING FOR A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, PROVIDING THAT THE ORDINANCE SHALL BE RECORDED IN THE PUBLIC RECORDS OF BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND PROVIDING AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE. ALRIGHT. AND, UH, I HAVE MR. ANAS PRESENTING, UH, GOOD EVENING VICE MAYOR COUNSEL. UM, WE'VE HAD A, UM, WE HAVE NOT HAD A RESPONSE YET FROM THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION THAT ORIGINALLY REQUESTED THIS, UH, ITEM. UH, AS SUCH, WE ARE REQUESTING TO, UH, UH, POSTPONE, UH, THE FIRST READING FOR THIS ITEM UNTIL, UH, DECEMBER 9TH, 2025 AT THE REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING. UH, TO GIVE THEM MORE TIME TO ASSESS, UH, WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE WILLING TO PROVIDE THE NECESSARY EASEMENTS, UH, TO ALLOW FOR THE UTILITIES THAT ARE CURRENTLY INSTALLED WITHIN THAT, UH, PARTICULAR, UH, PARCEL. UM, ALLOWING THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT TO MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL AT THAT POINT. ALRIGHT, SOUNDS GOOD. SO COUNSEL MAY RECALL THAT THE PREVIOUS FIRST READING WAS ALSO POSTPONED AT OUR SEPTEMBER 11TH, UH, MEETING. AND SO WE'RE ASKING AGAIN, OR AT LEAST STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO POSTPONE THIS ITEM AGAIN TO THE DECEMBER 9TH REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING, UM, HERE AT, AT CITY HALL AT SIX 30. AND AGAIN, RIGHT, THAT, THAT LEVEL OF SPECIFICITY IN THE, IN THE MOTION THAT UNFORTUNATELY IS REQUIRED, BUT THAT LETS US RELY ON THE, THE PREVIOUS ADVERTISEMENT THAT WE'VE DONE FOR THIS ITEM. OKAY. DO YOU WANT ME TO FINISH THIS AHEAD? FINISH. OKAY. ALRIGHT. DO I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. SEEING NONE, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO POSTPONE? NO, AND I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. ALRIGHT, MOVE BY MI UH, MS. KENNEDY. SECOND BY MAYOR RE ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED I VOTE. AYE. AND THE MOTION PASSES AND MAYOR ARIE IS BACK. ALRIGHT, MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER NINE. THIS IS GONNA BE ORDERED NUMBER 2025 DASH 47. UH, MR. CONLEY. THANK YOU MAYOR. AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA RELATING TO COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING, MAKING FINDINGS AMENDING APPENDIX D CHAPTER FOUR, SECTION 4.04 OF THE CITY CODE AMENDING THE FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT CHAPTER ONE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BY PROVIDING FOR THE EXCLUSION OF A 300 PLUS OR MINUS ACRE PORTION OF THE PLATTE RANCH COMMUNITY ACTIVITY CENTER FROM CONCEPTUAL MASTER PLAN AND UTILITY PROVISION AGREEMENT REQUIREMENTS TO ADD CPA 2028 DASH OH SEVEN, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND PROVIDING AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE. THANK YOU. REPORT ON THIS IS MS. CINDY DITMER. UH, YES, GOOD EVENING. UM, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER TO ADD ON SECOND READING FOR THIS ITEM. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. THIS IS A QUASI-JUDICIAL ITEM AND DISCLOSURES. I NOTE NO DISCLOSURES. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT WE HAVE NO SIGNUP SHEETS. I'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE COUNCIL. MAYOR, GO AHEAD MA'AM. ORDINANCE 2025 DASH 47 BASED UPON THE FINDINGS CONTAINED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEMORANDUM. SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION BY MS. HANLEY, SECOND BY MS. BASSETT. ROLL CALL. VOTE FOR NINE, PLEASE. COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER LARUSSO AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER BASSETT AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER HANLEY AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KENNEDY. AYE. VICE MAYOR NEWMAN IS NOT IN THE CHAMBER AT THE MOMENT. AND MAYOR ALFRE AND I VOTE. AYE. AND THAT MOTION PASSES. MOVING ON TO ITEM, UH, THIS ITEM NUMBER 10, ORDERS NUMBER 2025 DASH 48. THANK YOU, MAYOR. AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA RELATING TO FIRE PREVENTION DIVISION INSPECTION FEES MAKING FINDINGS AMENDING CHAPTER 28 OF THE CITY CODE ENTITLED FIRE PREVENTION AND PROTECTION AMENDING SECTION 28 DASH 46. PLAN REVIEW, FIRE PREVENTION, SAFETY INSPECTION, AND PUBLIC EDUCATION TRAINING FEES AMENDING SECTION 28 DASH 49, ELECTRONIC REPORTING REQUIREMENTS FOR FIRE PROTECTION SYSTEMS AND FEES PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND INTERPRETATION, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND PROVIDING AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE. OKAY. THANK YOU. REPORTING ON THIS IS MR. HARIN CORRECT? I HAVE NOTHING FURTHER FROM THE FIRST READING. OKAY, PERFECT. ALL RIGHT. UM, ANY QUESTIONS? NO. OKAY. UH, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE SIGNUP SHEETS? CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. BRING BACK TO COUNSEL MAYOR, GO AHEAD MA'AM. APPROVAL ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025 DASH 48. [00:55:02] I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. MS. BUFFETT, I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION ON ITEM NUMBER 10. ROLL CALL. VOTE PLEASE. COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER LARUSSO AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER BASSETT. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER HANLEY AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KENNEDY. AYE. VICE MAYOR NEWMAN. AYE. MAYOR FR. CAN I VOTE? AYE. AND THAT MOTION PASS. AND WE, SO, SO THAT WAS ITEM A AND NOW WE, NOW WE STILL HAVE, WE HAVE UH, APPROVAL RESOLUTION. UM, ITEM B, CAN WE GET A MOTION? UH, MAYOR, GO AHEAD MA'AM. I THINK WE, I THINK WE DO HAVE A BIT OF A PRESENTATION FOR THAT P. OKAY. WE JUST WANTED TO REVIEW OVER WHAT THE FEES WERE AND, AND MR. DEAR GONNA DO THAT? YEAH, CURRENTLY WHEN I STARTED HERE IN 16, THE UH, FEES HADN'T BEEN TOUCHED IN OVER 20 YEARS AND I THOUGHT IT WAS UNFAIR THAT THE SMALL BUSINESSES WERE BEING AFFECTED WITH THE $50 PER HOUR FEE. AND I DID A STUDY, THE NEW FEE INCREASES WERE ONLY GONNA AFFECT 13% OF OUR BUSINESSES ARE GOING TO SEE AN INCREASE. SO A LOT OF THE BUSINESSES ARE GONNA SEE AN ACTUAL REDUCTION IN WAS GONNA INCREASE CITY COSTS. OUR PROFITS FOR THIS, IT'S BASED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE, WHICH IS WHAT EVERYONE ELSE GENERALLY ACROSS THE STATE OF FLORIDA DOES. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ANY MAYOR? ANY GO AHEAD MA'AM. APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION 40 43 83. SECOND I HAVE A MOTION BY MS. HANLEY, SECOND BY MRS. BASSETT, UH, FOR 43 83. ITEM B UH, WILL FOLLOW VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER LARUSSO AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER BASSETT AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER HANLEY AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KENNEDY. AYE. VICE MAYOR NEWMAN. AYE. MAYOR OFFER AYE NA. MOTION PASSES. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 11. UM, REPORTING ON THIS IS MS. BAGNOLI. GOOD EVENING MAYOR COUNSEL. UH, THE FIRST ITEM I HAVE IS A CHANGE ORDER NUMBER FOUR TO THE CONTRACT WITH L SEVEN CONSTRUCTION FOR THE BIOSOLIDS IMPROVEMENT PROJECT AT THE DB LEE AND THE GRANT STREET WATER RECLAMATION FACILITIES. I HAD PREVIOUSLY COME, UM, FOR THE CHANGE ORDER NUMBER THREE. UH, AND I WANTED TO MENTION AS NOTED IN THE MEMO THAT CHANGE ORDERS ONE THROUGH THREE WERE ALL FOR ITEMS THAT THE CITY HAD REQUESTED FOR SOME ADDITIONAL SERVICES AND CHANGE ORDER FOUR IS ACTUALLY IN NEED BECAUSE ORIGINALLY WE HAD TWO PROJECTS THAT WERE BEING BID AT THE SAME TIME. IT WAS THE BIOS SOLIDS PROJECT AND THE GRANT STREET IMPROVEMENTS AND THE GRANT STREET IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT HAS BEEN DELAYED FOR SOME REDESIGN. A PORTION OF THE PIPING THAT'S NEEDED TO MAKE THE BIOSOLID PROJECT WORK, UM, WAS IN THAT PROJECT. AND SO THIS IS BASICALLY JUST PULLING OUT THAT YARD PIPING FOR THE DIGESTERS THAT WAS IN THE GRANT STREET PROJECT AND PUTTING IT INTO THIS PROJECT. AND, UM, SINCE OUR, THE LAST TIME THAT I WAS HERE WITH CHANGE ORDER NUMBER THREE, WE HAVE, UM, RECEIVED, UH, CONFIRMATION FROM THE SRF, WHICH IS THE, UM, STATE REVOLVING LOAN FINANCING THAT OUR CHANGE ORDERS NUMBER ONE, TWO, AND THREE HAVE BEEN RECEIVED AND ARE NOTED FOR AN INCREASE IN THE CONTRACT THAT WE HAVE WITH L SEVEN AND THAT'S BEEN, WILL BE APPROVED. AND THE ONLY THING FOR UM, THIS CHANGE ORDER IS THEY NEED COUNCIL APPROVAL BEFORE WE CAN SUBMIT TO SRF IN NOVEMBER FOR THE CONTRACT TO BE UPDATED TO THE CURRENT BIDDING PRICE AND UM, TO INCLUDE THE CHANGE ORDERS ONE THROUGH FOUR. UM, SO, UH, THIS PROJECT IS ADEQUATELY FUNDED AND WE'RE REQUESTING APPROVAL OF CHANGE ORDER NUMBER FOR TO THE CONTRACT WITH L SEVEN CONSTRUCTION. OKAY. THANK YOU MS. PNO. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. PLI? OKAY. AND I SEE NO QUESTIONS. UH, DO WE HAVE A MOTION HERE MAYOR, GO AHEAD MA'AM. APPROVAL OF CHANGE ORDER NUMBER FOUR TO THE CONTRACT WITH L SEVEN CONSTRUCTION INC. LONGWOOD, FLORIDA FOR THE BIOSIL IMPROVEMENTS AT BD LEE AND GRANT STREET WATER REC RECLAMATION FACILITIES FOR DIGESTIVE AREA AREA YARD PIPING PROJECT NUMBER 3 3 5 1 9 AND THE AMOUNT OF $277,207 AND 35 CENTS. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION BY MS. LEY, SECOND BY MS. BASSETT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE. AYE IN THAT MOTION PASSES. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 12, MS. MAGNO. THIS IS AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO TO TASK ORDER. JEG 14 WITH JACOBS ENGINEERING GROUP OUT OF ORLANDO, FLORIDA, UM, FOR THE SURFACE WATER TREATMENT PLANT FILTER EXPANSION IMPROVEMENTS. UM, JACOB'S ENGINEERING DESIGNED AND UM, IS ALSO MANAGING THE CONSTRUCTION FOR THE PROJECT. AND, UH, IT'S BEEN A WHILE, BUT THIS PROJECT WAS TO, UM, WE HAVE FILTERS THAT ARE CURRENTLY [01:00:01] AT THE SURFACE WATER TREATMENT PLANT AND THERE'S ACTUALLY A BASEMENT DOWN BELOW THEM. AND WE HAVE A LOT OF VALVES AND FITTINGS THAT ARE DOWN BELOW THAT NEEDED TO BE REPLACED BECAUSE THEY'RE 30 YEARS OLD. SO WE HAD TO, UM, DESIGN A PROJECT TO TAKE THOSE FILTERS AND TEMPORARILY, TEMPORARILY MOVE THEM USING PRESSURE FILTERS ON ANOTHER LOCATION OF THE SITE THAT DIDN'T ALREADY HAVE, UM, STRUCTURES ON IT. AND THAT WILL BE IN PLACE TO ACTUALLY DO THE FILTERING OF THE WATER, WHICH IS THE FINAL THING BEFORE IT GOES TO THE CHLORINE CONTACT. AND THEN, UM, COMES BACK. WELL, DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE, THE CONTRACTOR NOTICED THAT THERE WERE SOME PULL BOXES IN, IN THE GROUND NEXT TO A, UM, CONTROL. AND IT TURNS OUT THAT WE HAD SOME FIBER THAT, UM, HAS CONTINUED CONTINUITY AROUND THE PLANT SITE. IT HELPS FOR ALL THE BUILDINGS TO BE ABLE TO TALK TO EACH OTHER AND CONTROLS HOW THE PROCESS WORKS. SO, UM, SINCE THIS CAME UP, WE NEEDED TO DO AN AMENDMENT TO THE TASK ORDER, UM, TO REPLACE THE FIBER AND KEEP THAT CONTINUITY RING AROUND THE PROJECT SITE. AND SO THIS IS, UM, REQUESTING APPROVAL OF AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO TO THE TASK ORDER JEG 14. OKAY, PERFECT. UM, ANY QUESTIONS, MS. MCNO? OKAY. UM, DO WE HAVE A MOTION MAYOR? GO AHEAD MA'AM. APPROVAL OF ME AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO TO TASK ORDER NUMBER JEG 0 1 4 TO JACOB'S ENGINEERING GROUP, INC. ORLANDO, FLORIDA FOR WATER PRODUCTION FACILITY IMPROVEMENTS, PROJECT NUMBER 3 1 3 20 IN THE AMOUNT OF $69,016. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION BY MS PASSES, SECOND BY VICE, UH, MAYOR, UH, NEWMAN. UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE. AYE. AND THAT MOTION PASSES. MOVING ON TO MS. MAGNOLIA AGAIN ON 13TH. WE ALMOST DONE? YES. , THIS IS TASK ORDER, UH, CDM ZERO FIVE TO THE CONTRACT WITH CDM SMITH FOR THE WATER PRODUCTION. WELL FIELD IMPROVEMENTS. UH, WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH CDM TO HELP US, UH, WITH EXPANDING OUR WELL FIELD AND ALSO TO HELP US WITH, UM, MANAGING OUR EXISTING WELLS. 'CAUSE SOMETIMES THEY'LL SORT OF STOP UP AND THEY NEED TO BE, UM, REHABBED AND THEY'VE HELPED US DO BOTH OF THOSE THINGS WELL. UM, AS YOU ALSO KNOW, WE'RE EXPANDING THE REVERSE OSMOSIS TREATMENT PLANT THAT'S AT 90% COMPLETION. WITH THAT, UM, WE WILL NEED ADDITIONAL WELLS FOR, UM, FOR THE PRODUCTION BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA BE GOING FROM 5 MILLION TO 10 MILLION, UM, WHICH ACTUALLY USES A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THAT 12 AND A HALF MILLION GALLONS BECAUSE SOME OF THAT, UH, BECOMES CONCENTRATE AND ISN'T, DOESN'T GO OUT TO THE SYSTEM. UM, SO, UH, PREVIOUSLY IN OUR, UM, CONSUMPTIVE USE PERMIT, WE HAD SOME MODELING DONE THAT SUGGESTED THAT WE WOULD NEED, UM, SIX ADDITIONAL WELLS. WE CURRENTLY HAVE FOUR IN SERVICE. WE HAVE TWO THAT WERE DRILLED AND IN THE PROCESS OF CONSTRUCTING THE ABOVE GRADE FACILITIES, AND THEN SIX ADDITIONAL. SO EVENTUALLY WE'LL HAVE 12 WELLS. AND, UM, SO WE ASKED CDM TO DO SOME ADDITIONAL MODELING THAT WILL, THAT'S HELPING WITH THE TREATMENT FACILITY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE MEMBRANES THEY PICK WILL, UM, WORK PROPERLY. AND SO IN THEIR PROCESS OF MODELING, THEY ALSO, UM, DIDN'T JUST LOOK AT CAPACITY OF THE WELLS, BUT THEY WERE LOOKING AT THE POTENTIAL FOR THE WATER TO GRADE OVER TIME AND WELL SPACING AND SO WHERE WE CAN PUT THESE ADDITIONAL WELLS. UM, AND SO IN ACCORDANCE WITH THAT, UM, WE HAVE REALIZED THAT UH, WELL SEVEN IS ACTUALLY CAN BE ON THE SAME CORRIDOR, WHICH IS WELL ROAD, UM, WHERE WE HAVE 1, 2, 3, OR ONE, TWO, AND FOUR CURRENTLY. AND SO, UM, ALTHOUGH THIS PROJECT WAS ORIGINALLY, WE WERE GONNA TRY TO CONSTRUCT SEVEN, EIGHT, AND NINE AT THE SAME TIME, SEVEN WILL BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THE SAME PIPING AS WELLS FOUR, AND ALREADY THAT'S ALL THAT INFRASTRUCTURE'S ALREADY THERE. SO WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH DESIGN OF WELLS SEVEN, UM, WHICH WILL TAKE APPROXIMATELY 335 DAYS. AND, UM, BUT WE'D LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE TASK ORDER . OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. PNO? NO. ALL RIGHT. DO I HAVE A MOTION FOR, FOR THIS ITEM 13, MAYOR, GO AHEAD MA'AM. OF TE OF APPROVAL TASK ORDER NUMBER CDM DASH ZERO FIVE TO CDM SMITH, INC. MAITLAND, FLORIDA FOR THE WATER PRODUCTION WELL, WELL FIELD IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT [01:05:01] NUMBER 3 1 3 2 3 IN THE AMOUNT OF 456,695 SECOND. OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION BY MS. HANLEY AND A SECOND BY MS. BASSETT. UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. A AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE. AYE. AND THAT MOTION PASSES. AND NOW WE'RE MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 14, UH, MR. EN ENGINEERING. HOW YOU DOING, SIR? GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. COUNSEL, UH, THIS IS, UH, ITEM NUMBER 14 FOR WORK ORDER NUMBER NINE TO THE STORM DRAIN CLEANING, REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE CONTRACT WITH SHENANDOAH GENERAL CONSTRUCTION, LLC PROCURED IN PLACE PIPE LINING REHABILITATION, UH, THE FOUNTAIN HEAD SUBDIVISION STORMWATER PIPE PROJECT, UH, 1 4 2, 2, 1. UH, IDENTIFIED THE STORMWATER CONVEYANCE SYSTEM WITHIN THE FOUNTAIN HEAD SUBDIVISION REQUIRED, UH, INSPECTION AND REMEDIATION EFFORTS PRIOR TO RESURFACING. UM, ONCE THESE REPAIRS ARE COMPLETED, RESURFACING WILL BE SCHEDULED. THIS IS PART OF OUR, UH, RESURFACING PROGRAM. UH, WORK ORDER NINE PROVIDES FOR THE REHABILITATION OF APPROXIMATELY 874 LINEAR FEET OF DRAINAGE PIPES RANGING IN SIZE BETWEEN 15 AND 24 INCHES. THE APPROXIMATE LOCATIONS OF THESE PIPES ARE INDICATED IN THE EXHIBIT ON THE OVERHEAD. UM, THESE ARE APPROXIMATELY LOCATED ON, AND FORGIVE ME FOR THE PRONUNCIATION HERE, BUT, UH, DRIVE, UH, CHARRA AVENUE WEST AND DIJON DRIVE, UH, BOTH UNDER THE ROADWAY AND BETWEEN HOMES. UM, THE CURED IN PLACE PIPE LINING, UM, REHABILITATION IS COST-EFFECTIVE AND NON INTRUSIVE METHOD OF PIPE REPAIR. UH, IT BASICALLY GETS US ANOTHER 50 YEARS OF LIFE OUT OF THE STORMWATER PIPES. IT ALSO ALLOWS FOR US TO NOT HAVE TO EXCAVATE THE ROADWAY OR THE AREA BETWEEN THE HOMES, UM, WHICH WOULD POTENTIALLY CAUSE A LOT MORE, UH, DAMAGE AND MORE COSTLY REPAIRS. THIS METHOD HAS BEEN USED FREQUENTLY THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND IT'S BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL. UM, AFTER ISSUANCE OF THIS, UH, TASK ORDER, THE CONTRACTOR WILL HAVE APPROXIMATELY 180 CALENDAR DAYS TO COMPLETE THIS PROJECT. UH, FUNDING IS AVAILABLE IN THE FOUNTAINHEAD SUBDIVISION STORM PIPE BUDGET PROJECT 1, 4, 2, 2, 1. AND WE'RE REQUESTING APPROVAL OF WORK ORDER NUMBER NINE TO THE STORM DRAIN CLEANING, REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE CONTRACT WITH SHENANDOAH GENERAL CONSTRUCTION, LLC OF POMPANO BEACH, FLORIDA. PROCURED IN PLACE PIPELINING AND THE AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $94,772 AND 50 CENTS. THANK YOU. UH, ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. ERNEST? IF ANY QUESTIONS? UH, WE HAVE A MOTION ON ITEM NUMBER 14, MAYOR. GOOD AHEAD, MA'AM. APPROVE OF WORK ORDER NUMBER NINE TO THE STORM DRAIN CLEANING, REPAIR, AND MAINTENANCE CONTRACT WITH SHENANDOAH GENERAL CONSTRUCTION, LLC, POMPANO BEACH, FLORIDA FOR THE CURED IN PLACE. PIPELINING IN THE AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $94,772 AND 50 CENTS. I'LL SECOND THAT SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALTHOUGH THE MEMBERS SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE. AYE. AND THAT MOTION PASSES. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 15. I THINK THIS IS THE BIGGEST, UH, CONSENT AGENDA I'VE EVER SEEN A THROUGH V AND NOTHING WAS PULLED LIKE A CVS RECEIPT. , YOU'VE BEEN WAITING ALL NIGHT TO SAY THAT HAPPENED. YOU SHOULD HAVE, ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU'RE RIGHT FOR ONE, I WENT TO CVS LIKE A WEEK AGO, LIKE 30, BUT WE GOT A THROUGH Z UH, MOTION. MAYOR. GOOD AHEAD MA'AM. APPROVAL OF CONSENT ITEMS A THROUGH V SECOND, A THROUGH Z. WE HAVE MOTION AND SECOND BY MS. BASSETT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? I VOTE. AYE. AND THAT MOTION PASSES. THERE WAS NOTHING PULLED FOR 16TH. SO WE'RE MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 17. GOOD EVENING COUNSEL. REBECCA T BEAR ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER. UM, SO I'M GONNA CALL THIS OUR COUNCIL REMOTE BROADCAST SYSTEM, WHICH IS CODE FOR OUR CITY COUNCIL STREAMING SERVICE. SO, AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE BEEN STREAMING CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS FOR APPROXIMATELY FIVE OR SIX YEARS NOW. UM, WE USE KIND OF A THREE PART SYSTEM FOR THAT RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS THROUGH OUR AGENDA MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, UM, WHICH IS CALLED CIVIC CLERKS. SO THAT'S THE PORTAL THAT THE FOLKS SEE ONLINE. WE ALSO UTILIZE SERVICES FROM AN OUTSIDE VENDOR, WHICH IS, UM, IM SOLUTIONS. THEY'RE IN THE BACK ROOM BACK HERE. AND THEN ADDITIONALLY WE HAVE A STAFF MEMBER THAT SUPPORTS THAT SERVICE, WHICH RIGHT NOW IS ME. UM, SO WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING TONIGHT IS TO GO TO A NEW SYSTEM, WHICH IS OFFERED THROUGH GRANICUS CALLED SWAG. IT, UM, ANYONE THAT HAS WATCHED THE CITY OF PALM BAYS MEETINGS OR A LOT OF OTHER COMMUNITIES, THEY USE THIS SWAG AT SERVICE. UM, OUR CURRENT SERVICE THAT WE HAVE, WE HAVE EXPERIENCED SOME ISSUES AS FAR AS WITH THE CLOSED CAPTIONING OF THE MEETINGS, SOME INTERRUPTIONS TO THE VIDEO. SO WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO THIS NEW SERVICE. UM, SO THIS NEW PACKAGE WILL INCLUDE 25 MEETINGS WITH THE OPTION TO ADD ADDITIONAL MEETINGS IF WE NEED IN THE FUTURE. AND THEN WE ALSO ARE GONNA IMPLEMENT, UM, AN ON DEMAND VIDEO RECORDING SERVICE FOR THE, OUR ADDITIONAL, UM, ADVISORY BOARD SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE VIDEO RECORDINGS BUT NOT STREAMED. UM, SO THIS IS GONNA BE A FULLY DIRECTED REMOTE SERVICE WITH THE INSTALLATION OF FOUR NEW REMOTE HD CAMERAS IN THE ROOM. AND THEN THE WHOLE PRODUCTION WILL BE REMOTELY PRODUCED WITH A LIVE PERSON DIRECTING THAT PRODUCTION OUT OF THE STATE OF TEXAS. UM, A LOT OF OTHER CITIES ARE USING THIS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, HAVE [01:10:01] HAD VERY GOOD EXPERIENCE WITH IT. SO WE THINK THIS WILL BE A MUCH MORE FAVORABLE PRODUCT FOR US. UM, SO TONIGHT WE ARE REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A BUDGET RESOLUTION. THIS WAS ACTUALLY FUNDED IN FISCAL 25 THROUGH, UM, OUR THIRD QUARTER BUDGET ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW. BUT IN ORDER TO GET OUR PROPOSALS AND EVERYTHING IN ON TIME, WE DIDN'T QUITE MAKE THAT SEPTEMBER 30TH DEADLINE. SO IN ORDER TO MOVE THAT FUNDING INTO FISCAL YEAR 26, WE'RE REQUESTING A BUDGET RESOLUTION FOR 3 8 6, AND THEN APPROVAL OF THE PURCHASE OF THE AVI R 25 FULLY MANAGED MEETING AND VIDEO MANAGEMENT STREAMING SERVICES FOR CITY COUNCIL STREAMING AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY. ANY COMMENT QUESTION? GO AHEAD. BY MAYOR, SO ONE THING THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME IS MAINTAINING THE QUALITY OF WHAT WE HAVE MM-HMM . SO THAT TO WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO. IF THERE'S A BUSY MOM WHO IS TAKING THE KID TO SOME ATHLETIC EVENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND THEY ARE UNABLE TO START THE MEETING ON TIME AND BE HERE WITH US, AND THEY'RE WATCHING ON TV, USUALLY WITHIN I'D SAY 15 MINUTES, MAYBE 30, THEY'RE ABLE TO REWATCH THE MOVIE AFTER THEIR CHILD HAS GONE TO BED OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE. UM, MY UNDERSTANDING, BECAUSE I'VE UNFORTUNATELY HAD TO WATCH PALM BAY A LOT LATELY, THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO DO THAT. AND IN PALM BAY IT'S HOURS AND HOURS. I MEAN, TO ME IT'S BASICALLY GOING INTO THE NEXT DAY, USUALLY TO, IF YOU DON'T WATCH IT RIGHT AWAY, TO RECAP WHAT HAD HAPPENED THAT EVENING. MM. ARE WE ABLE TO, UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, THE ALL ALL THE OTHER THINGS, YOU KNOW, STAFF TIME SUCH AS YOURSELF, UM, IMPROVEMENTS, I'M, I'M ABOUT ALL OF THOSE THINGS. MM-HMM . WHAT I'M NOT, WHAT I WANNA MAKE SURE IS THAT WE'RE GETTING THE SAME QUALITIES WHAT WE HAVE. SO IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO, UH, TELL THEM THAT THAT'S AN EXPECTATION THAT WE HAVE HERE IN MELBOURNE? THAT OUR RESIDENTS ARE ABLE TO WATCH OUR MEETINGS VERY SWIFTLY AFTER THEY CONCLUDE THAT EVENING. SO I CAN DEFINITELY PASS THAT ALONG TO THE VENDOR FROM SPEAKING WITH THEM. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE INDEXING PROCESS, WHICH IS WHAT BOOKMARKS THE MEETING. SO THAT'S THE ABILITY TO GO JUST TO THE CONSENT AGENDA AND WATCH THAT PORTION OF THE MEETING. THAT'S THE INDEXING THAT TAKES SOME, SOME TIME AFTER THE CONCLUSION OF THE MEETING. UM, RIGHT NOW, THE REASON WE'RE NOT EXPERIENCING THAT IS BECAUSE I'M ACTUALLY PERFORMING THAT FUNCTION LIVE DURING THE MEETING. UM, BUT THAT'S MY STAFF TIME PLUS THE OTHER THINGS I'M DOING DURING THE MEETING. SO HAVING THIS LIVE REMOTE DIRECTOR, UM, DOING THE DIRECTION OF THE PRODUCTION, THEY'RE GONNA INDEX IT AFTER THE FACT. AND SO THAT'S, THAT DELAY MY UNDERSTANDING FROM SPEAKING TO THEM IS THAT IT IS BASED OFF OF THE LENGTH OF THE MEETING. SO A SHORTER MEETING, OBVIOUSLY THE VIDEO WILL POP UP A LITTLE BIT QUICKER, BUT A LONGER MEETING, THREE TO FOUR, FOUR HOURS, IT'S GONNA TAKE THEM LONGER TO INDEX IT. UM, SO RIGHT NOW I INDEX LIVE DURING THE MEETING, AND THEN I ALSO KIND OF RECAPTURE IT THE NEXT MORNING AND I DO IT AGAIN A SECOND TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE TIMESTAMPS ARE AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME. SO I'M KIND OF DOING IT DOUBLE RIGHT NOW. UM, SO THIS DEFINITELY IS A SAVING ON STAFF TIME, BUT I CAN FOR SURE PASS ON TO THEM THAT, THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME IMPROVEMENT IN THAT AREA AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN DO. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO GO AHEAD AND POST THE MEETING BEFORE IT'S INDEXED, WHICH IS KIND OF WHAT, WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW, BUT I CAN DEFINITELY PASS THAT ALONG TO THEM. OKAY. AND THEN FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THIS WILL TURN INTO AN ANNUAL CONTRACT THAT WOULD COME BEFORE US, OR IS THIS THE ONLY TIME THAT I WOULD SEE THIS? UM, YOU WILL ONLY SEE THIS THIS TIME. SO RIGHT NOW YOU'RE GONNA APPROVE A THREE YEAR SUBSCRIPTION. SO THE COSTS ARE IN THE AGENDA PACKAGE, BUT IT'S FOR THAT TOTAL CONTRACT COST OF 180,000, UM, $4 AND 71 CENTS. THAT'S FOR INSTALLATION PLUS THE THREE YEARS OF SERVICE. SO AFTER THAT THREE YEAR CONTRACT, IT WOULD COME BACK TO THE THAT'S CORRECT, YES. IF AS LONG AS IT'S ABOVE THE CITY MANAGER'S THRESHOLD. OKAY. UM, SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE AN ANNUAL CONTRACT FOR THE CIVIC CLERK SERVICE. OKAY. YOU GUYS APPROVE THAT ONCE, THAT'S A FIVE YEAR AGREEMENT. SO YOU GUYS APPROVED THAT A COUPLE YEARS AGO. SO IT'S KIND OF THE SAME, SAME SETUP. IS THAT CONTRACT? SURE. NO. AND AND THE ONLY REASON I ASK THAT IS THAT IF FOR WHATEVER REASON IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WE HAVE LOST QUALITY OH, YEAH. AND THE ABILITY FOR FOLKS TO VIEW WHAT WE'RE DOING, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY KNOW THAT WE'RE DISPLEASED ABOUT THAT QUALITY. OH YEAH. AND PLEASE TELL ME BEFORE THE THREE YEARS IS UP. YEAH. DON'T WAIT TILL THE END OF THE CONTRACT. YEAH. LY PERFECT. BUT THIS, THIS COMPANY, I HAVE TO SAY I'VE BEEN VERY, VERY IMPRESSED WITH THEIR SERVICE. THEY FLEW THEIR WHOLE TEAM DOWN HERE TO MELBOURNE FROM TEXAS TO COME TO THE ROOM AND LOOK AT OUR EQUIPMENT AND LOOK AT OUR EQUIPMENT IN THE BACK. UM, AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO DO THAT 'CAUSE MOST OF THEIR SERVICES REMOTE, BUT THEY SENT THREE OR FOUR PEOPLE HERE WITH JUSTICE AND I TO GO THROUGH EVERYTHING. THEY TALKED THROUGH, THROUGH WITH US, HOW OUR MEETINGS FUNCTION, WHAT WE'RE DOING, WHAT OUR NEEDS ARE. UM, SO I'VE BEEN VERY IMPRESSED WITH THEM SO FAR. AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE WILLING TO INSTALL THIS PRETTY QUICKLY. I'M HOPING WE HAVE IT INSTALLED BY NOVEMBER. HOPE, HOPEFULLY. UM, SO THEY, THEY'VE BEEN VERY RECEPTIVE TO ALL OF OUR REQUESTS SO FAR. PERFECT. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT, COUNSEL, DO YOU OWE A MOTION ON THIS? MAYOR? MAYOR, GO AHEAD MA'AM. APPROVE APPROVAL RESOLUTION 40 43 86. SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION BY MS. HANLEY, SECOND BY MS. BASSETT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE. AYE. AND THAT MOTION PASSES. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR B MAYOR A GO AHEAD. APPROVAL OF APPROVAL. APPROVAL OF PURCHASE OF AVIOR 25TH, FULLY MANAGED MEETING AND VIDEO MANAGEMENT STREAMING SERVICE FOR THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING. STREAMING PROJECT NUMBER 1 1 5 2 5. [01:15:02] GRANS, LLC WASHINGTON DC FIRST YEAR. FIRST YEAR COSTS $99,969 AND 67 CENTS. AND THE TOTAL CONTRACT COST OF ONE 180,000 $180,004 AND 71 CENTS. SECOND A MOTION AND THEN SECOND BY MS. BASS. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE. AYE. AND THAT MOTION PASSES. NOW, IF IT'S ALL RIGHT WITH YOU, COUNSEL, I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO JUMP OVER AND SLIDE UP TO ITEM NUMBER 21. UH, PRESENTING ON THIS WILL BE MARK LAR RUSO, IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT. SO WE, UH, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH THAT MOVING TO 21 AND THEN WE'LL LET WE OKAY WITH IT. SO HE'S NOT HE'S NOT HERE AT THE MOMENT. YEAH. GOD, I GOT . UM, OKAY THEN WHAT WE'LL DO REAL QUICK, WE'LL, WE'LL, UH, DO NUMBER 18 AND THEN WE'LL JUMP TO 21. OKAY? UH, UM, APOLOGIZE ABOUT THAT, UH, MS. DIMER, IF YOU WOULD, AND, UM, REPORT ON THIS ONE AND THEN WE WILL JUMP ONTO 21. . UH, YES, THANK YOU. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL FOR A TOWN HOME SUBDIVISION ON A 0.54, UH, FIVE ACRE PROPERTY. UM, THE PROPERTY IS LO IS ZONED R TWO AND IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF TORRANCE LANE. TORRANCE LANE IS JUST SOUTH OF SARNO ROAD AND WEST OF US ONE. UM, THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY HAS A MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL FUTURE LAND USE AND IS IN COUNCIL DISTRICT TWO. UM, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY INTO EIGHT TOWN HOME LOTS. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, WE'LL HAVE, UM, EIGHT TOWN HOME LOTS AND A, UM, CO COMMUNITY TRACK FOR, UM, THE HOA PRIMARILY FOR THE STORM WATER, UM, FOR THE PROJECT. UM, THESE TOWN HOME LOTS WILL MEET ALL OF OUR REQUIREMENTS, UM, FOR A, UM, MINIMUM LOT SIZE FOR TOWN HOMES OF 1800 SQUARE FEET. THEY EXCEED THOSE REQUIREMENTS. THE DENSITY PROPOSED WITH THIS PROJECT IS 14.68 UNITS PER ACRE, WHICH IS JUST UNDER THE 15 UNITS PER ACRE THAT IS PERMITTED HERE. UM, THE SURROUNDING AREA IS SORT OF A COMBINATION OF, UH, COMMERCIAL, MULTIFAMILY AND SINGLE FAMILY, UM, IN NATURE. IT'S A BIT OF A MIXED USE AREA. UM, AND, UM, WITH THAT, THE, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD ON SEPTEMBER 18TH CONSIDER THE, UM, PROPOSED REQUEST AND UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL. AND STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PRELIMINARY PLAT 2025 DASH ZERO ONE BASED ON THE FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS CONTAINED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD IN, UM, MEMORANDUM. THANK YOU MS. DIMER. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. DIMMER? NO. NO. NO. OKAY. UH, THIS IS A QUASI-JUDICIAL ITEM AND DISCLOSURES, UH, NOTE NO DISCLOSURES. UM, AND IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING. WE HAVE NO SIGNUP SHEETS. UH, BRING BACK TO COUNSEL. WHAT'S OUR DIRECTION ON 18? MAYOR, GO AHEAD. APPROVAL P PLAT 20 25 0 0 1 BASED UPON THE FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS CONTAINED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD. MEMORANDUM SECOND. OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION BY MS. HANLEY, SECOND BY MS. BASSETT. ALL THOSE IN MEMBERS SAY, AYE. A AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE. AYE. AND THAT MOTION PASSES NOW, MR. LUSO STILL GONE, SO WE'LL GO TO 19. I'M SORRY. I WAS TRYING TO GET, TRY TO SLIDE TO 21, BUT NOPE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER, UH, 19 ORDER 2025 DECK. OH, THERE HE IS. ACTUALLY. THERE HE IS. WE'RE GONNA SLIDE BACK AND GO TO 21. HOW'S THAT? UH, AND THIS IS GONNA BE, SORRY ABOUT THAT MR. LARUSSO. THIS IS GONNA BE ITEM 21. WHAT YOU'RE SORRY ABOUT THAT. ABOUT CITY COUNCIL DISCUSSION, UH, CITY COUNCIL DISCUSSION REGARDING CITY OWNED PROPERTY AT 2, 2 6, 5 OH. ARE WE THERE NOW? YEAH. ARE YOU, WELL, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND PRESENT THAT AND MOVE THAT UP. IS THAT RIGHT WITH YOU? THAT SPEED? YEAH, SURE. FINE. GO AHEAD. WE DID IT BEFORE, BUT YOU WERE IN THE BATHROOM, SO. ALRIGHT. LEMME GET MYSELF PREPARED. THANK YOU. UH, LET'S SEE. UM, I WANNA WELCOME, UH, THE FOLKS FROM DAV AND OUR PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, TIM THOMAS TO BE HERE FOR, IN SUPPORT OF WHAT I'M GONNA BE CHATTING ABOUT THIS EVENING OR MOVING FORWARD WITH IF WE CAN. UM, HOW TO WRITE IT DOWN. THERE'S SO MUCH WITH THIS PROPERTY. SO HERE'S MY THING. UH, YOU KNOW, DAV IS A HUB FOR OUR DISABLED SERVICEMEN AND WOMEN TO SEEK THE BEST ADVICE FOR THEIR MEDICAL CARE. AND THEY HAVE, AND THEY ARE SEPARATED FROM ALL THE, THE ARMED SERVICES AND TO SEEK WHAT THEY CAN BE TRANSPORTED TO FOR THE PROPER FACILITY. WE ALLOWED THE ORGANIZATION TO HOLD ONE MEETING PER MONTH AT NO COST AT THE A GALL CIVIC CENTER. UH, WHY WE ARE COMMITTED TO OUR VETERANS AND THEIR SUCCESS. [01:20:01] I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO MENTION THAT OUR OWN MELBOURNE ORLANDO INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, YOU AND DAVID AND I, UM, AGREED TO BRING IN THE HONOR FLIGHT HERE AND WORKED HARD FOR THAT. WE DID. AND SO THEY'RE NO LONGER FLYING OUT OF CENTRAL FLORIDA. THEY'RE FLYING OUTTA MELBOURNE. UM, SEGWAY UH, LEADS TO ME MENTIONED THAT OUR NEIGHBORS TITUSVILLE AND, AND, UH, THE COUNTY HAVE SUPPORTED THE DONATION OF THEIR PROPERTIES. A SIMPLE TRANSFER OF PROPERTY FOR A $10 PAYMENT FOR THEIR DAV LOCATIONS. ALTHOUGH THERE ARE ALWAYS CONDITIONS TO ANY KIND OF SALE, THESE LOCATIONS WHEN RENTED FROM ANY CITY, PROHIBITS THE ORGANIZATION FROM APPLYING FOR RECEIVING GRANTS AND STATE AND FEDERAL AGENCIES AS THEY ARE NOT AN INDEPENDENT SUSTAINABLE ORGANIZATION. UM, ONE MORE TIME. I MAY NOT HAVE SAID THAT PROPERLY, BUT BECAUSE DAV IS ON OUR PROPERTY, CITY PROPERTY AND THEY RENT IT FROM US FOR A DOLLAR A YEAR, THEY ARE NOT ELIGIBLE TO REACH OUT TO STATE AND FEDERAL ORGANIZATIONS TO RECEIVE GRANTS BECAUSE WE OWN THEM. AND SO THE FEDERAL AND STATE GRANTS CANNOT COME BACK TO THE CITY, TO THE CITY AT ALL. UM, IN YOUR AGENDA PACKAGES, YOU HAVE, UH, RECEIVED, UH, THE OPPORTUNITY OF APPROXIMATELY $1.2 MILLION DRIVEN FROM OUR STATE REPRESENTATIVES. THESE PUBLIC OFFICIALS BOTH UNDERSTAND THE VALUE AND THE CRITICAL NEED THAT IS REQUIRED IN ORDER TO JOIN OUR COLLECTIVE CHALLENGES TOGETHER. AS WE KNOW, SENATE BILL CANNOT EXIST WITHOUT A HOUSE COMPANION. BILL. DEBBIE MAYFIELD AND TYLER SOROS HAVE JOINED TOGETHER TO BRING THIS OPPORTUNITY TOGETHER. AND IT WAS EXCELLENT, NOTHING MORE. AND I WAS THERE. IT WAS NOTHING MORE THAN A PHONE CALL PERIOD. AND SO BOTH, BOTH ARE HEROES IN OUR EYES, IN MY, IN, IN MY DESCRIPTION. UM, NOT GREAT PUBLIC SPEAKER, BUT I WILL SAY THAT ALL BECAUSE I BELIEVE THIS MISSION, IT, IT, IT HITS ME HERE. SO I, NOT NECESSARILY SMOOTH, I APOLOGIZE. OUR MISSION WILL LEAVE OUR CITY BETTER THAN WE'VE FOUND IT. MONEY WILL TAKE CARE OF ITSELF. WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF OUR ENTIRE COMMUNITY. DEBBIE AND TYLER HAS SPEARHEADED AN EXCESS OF $25 MILLION IN OPPORTUNITIES TO OUR CITY, REGARDLESS OF THIS FOR THE PAST SIX YEARS. SO THAT EQUATES TO ABOUT $4 MILLION A YEAR THAT THEY HAVE WORKED FOR US TO BRING THAT MONEY BACK. SO WE HANG OUR BANNERS ALL OVER TOWN, HONORING OUR VETERANS. UM, I'M ASKING THAT WE SELL THE LOCATION PROPERTY FOR THE SAME DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT WE BOUGHT IT FOR IN 1963, AND THAT'S $300. NOW, WITH EVERY SALE IN THIS KIND OF A SITUATION COMES A, UM, UH, THERE'S, UH, UH, THINGS IN THE BACK BACKGROUND THAT HAVE TO BE, UH, TAKEN CARE OF. SO IF THE DAV DECIDED THAT WE GAVE THEM THIS PROPERTY FOR 300 BUCKS, THEY CAN'T TURN AROUND AND SELL IT FOR A MILLION BUCKS WITHOUT REPLICA, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT ARE ALREADY SET IN THE, UM, IN THE CONTRACT. I GUESS LONG STORY SHORT, GUYS, UM, THIS LONG, LONG TIME COMING, UM, I'D REALLY LIKE FOR US TO CONSIDER, IF YOU WANT TO CONSIDER IT TONIGHT, YOU TAKE IT TO THE NEXT MEETING, WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT THEN. I DON'T WANNA TALK ABOUT IT ANYMORE. I WOULD LIKE TO DO WHATEVER WE CAN FOR OUR DAV TO PROPOSE TO ALLOW THESE FOLKS TO CONTINUE THEIR MISSION. IF YOU GO THERE, YOU'LL SEE CARS UPON CARS STACKED UP BECAUSE THE FOLKS OF AT DAV AND RODNEY THE COMMANDER, IS DRIVING THEM TO WHERE THEY NEED TO BE. ALL OVER BREVARD, ALL OVER ORANGE COUNTY. UM, AND IN A TIME WHERE WE'RE QUESTIONING OUR FAITHFULNESS TO OUR NATION, I FIND THIS TO BE ONE OF THE MOST LOGICAL AND HEARTFELT THINGS THAT WE CAN DO. REGARDLESS OF EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR THE PAST THREE, THREE MEETINGS. THIS IS IMPORTANT. [01:25:01] THIS STANDS OUT FOR THOUSANDS OF DAV VETERANS. AND SO IF WE CAN GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THIS PROPERTY, THEY CAN REACH OUT AND RECEIVE POTENTIALLY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, NOT FOR THEMSELVES, BUT FOR ALL DISABLED VETERANS. I GUESS THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT I WANT TO SAY. WELL, UH, I WOULD ASK, UH, MR. LARUSSO, UM, WHY YOU SAID THE AMOUNT OF HOW MUCH, UH, IN 1963, UH, THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE SOLD THAT PROPERTY TO THE CITY OF MELBOURNE FOR $300. UM, I'D LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY, WHAT'S THE LEAST AMOUNT THAT WE CAN TAKE THAT FOR IF WE DECIDED? UH, IT COULD BE FOR NONE, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT COULD BE FOR A DOLLAR. AND, AND IF ANYTHING, I WOULD RECOMMEND IT THAT WAY TO GET IT AS LOW AS POSSIBLE FOR, FOR ANY TAX PURPOSES. OKAY. SO I, I WOULD SUGGEST THIS, UH, I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST, SUGGEST THIS SINCE I HAVE A, UH, AN AMAZING COUNSEL, SUPPORTIVE COUNSEL, UH, I WOULD RECOMMEND, AND I KNOW WE HAVE PUBLIC SPEAKERS, THAT, THAT WE, UH, DON'T, WE, UH, SELL THE PROPERTY FOR $7 $1 PER COUNCIL MEMBER AND I'LL DONATE THE $7. NO, NO. AND MY MY, GO AHEAD MS. GUT. MY PARENTS WERE ONE OF THE ORIGINAL, UM, MEMBERS MM-HMM . OF THE DAV AND BACK IN THE SEVENTIES, JOE MULLINS WAS THE MAYOR OF, OF, UM, OF MELBOURNE. AND THEY WERE THE FIRST ONES TO GET ANYTHING LIKE THIS TO HAPPEN THAT THEY GOT A DOLLAR AND THEY THOUGHT THAT WAS WONDERFUL RIGHT? BACK THEN. THEY TOOK SUCH PRIDE IN THAT BUILDING AND THEY FIXED THAT BUILDING UP, KEPT THAT BUILDING ALL UP TO DATE AT THAT TIME PERIOD. WE HAD CHRISTMAS PARTIES THERE, RIGHT. VALENTINE PARTIES. WE HAD ALL SORTS OF THINGS. BUT, BUT MY QUESTION THE LAST, LET ME FINISH. GO AHEAD. THE LAST TIME I WAS IN THERE, I WAS SO DISAPPOINTED IN THE DAV BECAUSE IT WAS, IT LOOKED LIKE A DUMP INSIDE AND THEY'RE TAKING CARE OF THEIR OWN PEOPLE, AND THEY DID NOT THINK ENOUGH TO TAKE CARE OF THAT BUILDING AT THAT. THEY DIDN'T, THEY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT A MOP WAS. AND IT BOTHERED ME A LOT. OKAY? THEY DID NOT, THEY NOT JUST RECENTLY. AND IT REALLY BOTHERS ME BECAUSE I SAW THE PEOPLE THERE THAT WHEN THEY GOT IT, HOW THEY KEPT IT UP AND HOW THEY AND THESE MEN, THE, LIKE, MY FATHER WAS NOT ABLE TO WORK. THESE WERE THE ONES THAT WERE A HUNDRED PERCENT DISABLED. UM, I DO KNOW A LOT ABOUT THIS. THE DAV, LIKE I SAID, MY PARENTS WERE ONE OF THE, AT THE, UH, PRESENT LOCATION. THEY WERE ONE OF THE ORIGINAL ONES THERE THAT GOT THAT THERE. SO I DO KNOW THAT GIVING IT TO THEM AT $7 KIND OF HURTS ME A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE I FELT LIKE THEY DIDN'T, DOESN'T HURT ME AT ALL. HOLD ON, HOLD ON. SORRY. AND I'M LIKE, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T TAKE CARE OF IT, AND THEY'VE COME BACK TO COUNSEL CRYING AND I DON'T, I DON'T SEE IT. LEMME FINISH. LEMME FINISH. LEMME FINISH. THAT'S SO DISRESPECTFUL. YOU KNOW WHAT'S SO DISRESPECTFUL? HOLD ON, HOLD ON, HOLD ON, MR. LARUSSO. OH, GO AHEAD, MR. I ORDER. HEY, I WILL HAVE ORDER. OKAY. GO AHEAD AND WRAP UP YOUR, I WAS THE ONE WHO TOOK CARE OF MY FATHER AND I TOOK CARE OF MY FATHER WHO WAS IN FIVE, IN FIVE PLANE CRASHES. SO I'M, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE AROUND WITH SOMEBODY THAT HAD, CAN'T TAKE, HAS MAJOR MEDICAL ISSUES ALL THEIR LIFE. CAN WE ASK THE, UH, COMMANDER TO COME ON UP? AND SO A MOMENT, BUT, AND REALLY BOTHERS ME WHEN THEY DIDN'T TAKE CARE OF IT. OKAY. YOU, YOU'VE SAID THAT LIKE EIGHT TIMES AND WELL, THEY DID BECAUSE IF YOU SAW IT AND YOU SAW WHAT WAS BEING DONE AND THEY DIDN'T TAKE IT, DIDN'T DO ANYTHING FOR 25 YEARS UNTIL RECENTLY, AND THEN IT'S LIKE, OH, WELL WE'RE DOING SOMETHING NOW. SO WILL YOU HELP US? WHERE WERE THEY FOR THE LAST 25 YEARS? OKAY, WELL, LET, I'M GONNA MAKE A COMMENT REAL QUICK, MA'AM. UM, I WILL TELL YOU THAT, UM, I HAVE WORKED ALONGSIDE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER THOMAS, UH, FORMER DISTRICT, DISTRICT ONE COUNCIL MEMBER THOMAS. AND I WILL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, HE'S ONE OF THE MOST HONORABLE, HARDWORKING MEN IN HIS COMMUNITY. FORGET THAT HE, YOU KNOW, HIS SERVICE, HIS HIS INCREDIBLE SERVICE RECORD AND WHAT HE'S DONE FOR THIS COUNTRY. BUT, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN OUT NOT, AND I HAVEN'T DONE NEAR WHAT HE'S DONE, BUT TO, TO CUT TREES AND BUSHES AND CLEAN CEMETERIES AND STUFF. SO, UM, I WILL TELL YOU WHEN I SAID $7, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH JUST GIVE IT TO HIM, BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE A TOKEN OF US SHOWING OUR APPRECIATION FOR WHAT THEY'RE DOING, THE DAB, AND I WOULD DONATE THAT DOLLAR BILL TO, TO AS A, AS A TOKEN PER COUNCIL MEMBER FOR $1 SHOWING OUR SUPPORT, UH, FOR THAT. BUT, UH, [01:30:01] I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND CALL UP THE SPEAKERS, UH, AND LET THEM SPEAK. AND THEN I WOULD COME BACK AND, YOU KNOW, IF IT, IF, IF IT, IF IT BOTHERS ANYBODY ELSE, WE, I, I, I'D PREFER THEM TO DONATE IT. BUT IT WAS JUST A, A, A TOKEN OF, OF MY SUPPORT AS A VETERAN. AND I KNOW, UH, UH, MR. SMITH'S A VETERAN AND WE SUPPORT ALL, WE ALL SUPPORT THE DAV REGARDING CLEANLINESS THAT YOU CAN GO OFFLINE AND GET WITH THEM. SO I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND CALL UP THE FIRST SPEAKER, UH, COMMANDER RODNEY, UM, IF YOU'LL COME UP, FOLLOWED BY TIM THOMAS, IF Y'ALL WANT TO COME UP TOGETHER. UH, THAT'S UP TO YOU GENTLEMEN. UH, THANK YOU, UM, MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND ALSO COUNCILMAN, UH, LAR. SO FOR ALLOWING US TO SPEAK TONIGHT. AND THANK YOU ALL FOR WHAT YOU DO FOR OUR VETERANS AND WHAT YOU CONTINUE TO DO. WE'RE RESPECTFUL OF YOUR REQUESTING THE CITY OF MELBOURNE. PLEASE CONSIDER, UM, OUR REQUEST TO DONATE THE PROPERTY. UM, WE, WE BASICALLY HAVE A SPACE ISSUE. UM, I CAN'T SPEAK TO MS. UM, HANLEY'S CONCERNS. UM, I HONESTLY, WHEN I GOT THERE, I WASN'T, I WAS PRETTY ASHAMED MYSELF. I STARTED VOLUNTEERING AS A CSO FROM VERO BEACH. JUST COMING UP TO HELP. I WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE YOU WITH A LIST OF EVERYTHING WE'VE GOT DONE SINCE MY REIGN AS COMMANDER. UH, AND I GIVE YOU MY WORD, I FELT LIKE IT WAS DISRESPECTFUL IF YOU SAW THAT. I FELT LIKE IT WAS A BUILDING THAT VETERANS DID NOT NEED TO COME TO, TO PROCESS CLAIMS SHOULD BE A PLACE THAT RESPECTED. WE GOT PICNIC TABLES. IF YOU EVER SEEN THE 1961 PICTURE OF THE OLD GALA CIVIC CENTER, A WELCOME CENTER, PICNIC CENTER, THAT WAS THE VISION I HAD IN MY MIND. I WANNA BRING IT BACK TO A PLACE THAT YOU COME, YOU BRING YOUR FAMILY AND YOU CAN ALSO PROCESS YOUR CLAIMS. SO I TRULY RESPECT YOUR OPINION, UM, BUT WE'RE COMING BEFORE YOU TONIGHT. UM, IT, BOTTOM LINE, OUR MEMBERSHIP IS GROWING. WE HAVE OVER 2100 MEMBERS IN BREVARD COUNTY. UM, FOR THE TOP TWO YEARS IN A ROW, I'VE BEEN THIS TOP DAV RECRUITER IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. AND IT'S EASY. VETERANS ARE COMING TO US, FLOCKING TO US. UH, WHAT DO WE DO? CLAIMS ASSISTANCE, VA APPEAL SUPPORTS ACCESS TO BENEFITS, PERSONAL ADVOCACY, OUTREACH EVENTS, UH, EMERGENCY FINANCIAL RELIEF FOR VETERANS RESOLUTION. WE ADVOCATE FOR 'EM. WE, WE, THE FIRST LINE OF RESOLUTION THAT BECOMES LAW FOR VETERANS STARTS AT A CHAPTER LEVEL. EMPLOYMENT ASSISTANCE. WE DON'T DO THAT HERE. MY FACILITY WON'T HOLD, BUT ABOUT 25 PEOPLE, UM, SURVIVOR INDEPENDENT ASSISTANCE WITH THE VE VIETNAM VETERANS LEAVING US SOON IN THE NEXT DE NEXT DECADE, WE'RE GONNA BE, WE'RE GONNA BE SWAMPED. WE'RE ALREADY SEEING THE SPOUSAL BENEFITS INCREASE TREMENDOUSLY IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS. IT'S GOING TO TRIPLE BY 2025, I'M SORRY, 20 20, 30 20, 30, 35. IT'S GOING TO TRIPLE. SO I'LL JUST GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF HOW MANY PEOPLE WE HELP AND SEE. NOW, UM, JANUARY THROUGH SEPTEMBER, WE'VE HELPED, HELPED 1,130 VETERANS. 20 23, 1205, 20 24, 1372. THEN I JUST WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, WE HAVE BEEN IN EXISTENCE HERE SINCE 1947 IN MELBOURNE. OKAY? OUR CHAPTER HAS BEEN HELPING OUR CHARTER ESTABLISHED IN 1947, THAT'S 78 YEARS. SIX PLACE IN, OUT OF 67 COUNTIES IN BREVARD, 65,000, I'M SORRY, 65,900 VETERANS. IF YOU INCLUDE THEIR SPOUSES AND INDEPENDENTS, THE VETERAN CONNECTION POPULATION EXCEEDS 150,000. I DON'T OFF BUT THAT, THAT THREE MINUTE. ARE YOU NEARLY DONE OR WE CAN MOVE TO MR. TIME. LET, LEMME GIVE YOU ONE MORE THING. I'M DONE. GO AHEAD. ALRIGHT. I'M TRY TO KEEP EVERYBODY'S TIME. I THOUGHT WAS FIVE MINUTES FOR THAT. I AGREE. UM, I JUST WANNA GO OVER 2019, 2020, 21, 22 AND 23, 24. DATA IS NOT AVAILABLE, BUT I'LL KEEP IT SHORT FOR YOU. MAYOR. OVER $1 BILLION IS WHAT? JUST COMPENSATION CLAIMS AND BENEFITS. JUST COMPENSATION CLAIMS DIRECTLY RELATED FROM VETERANS HAS BROUGHT TO BREVARD COUNTY. MM-HMM . SO THAT INCLUDES WEST MELBOURNE, MELBOURNE, UM, RIGHT. THAT, THAT'S HUGE. SO I DON'T THINK WE'RE ASKING FOR A BIG ASK. I DO RESPECT COUNCIL LADIES' COMMENTS. UH, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE, AS I TOO WAS, UH, AS I TOO WAS UPSET THE FIRST VISIT AT THE PROPERTY, AND I'VE WORKED VERY HARD TO FIX THAT SITUATION. THANK YOU, SIR. UH, MR. THOMAS, [01:35:01] LIEUTENANT COLONEL THOMAS. I'M SORRY, I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. THAT'S OKAY. UH, TIM THOMAS, UH, CITY OF MELBOURNE, UH, 26 0 2 ENGLEWOOD DRIVE. AND, UH, I THINK RODNEY HIT THE HIGH POINTS, BUT THERE'S 70,000 VETERANS THERE ARE HERE IN, IN BREVARD COUNTY. AND, UH, AND THERE'S FOUR, I THINK THERE'S FOUR OR FIVE DAVS ACROSS THE COUNTY TO SERVICE THOSE 70,000. AND I'LL TELL YOU, IT IS SO HARD, UH, FOR A VETERAN, UH, TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS. AND I'LL JUST GIVE YOU A, A A CASE IN POINT. SO WHEN I RETIRED FROM THE MILITARY, I GOT 60% DISABILITY BECAUSE OF SOME INJURIES THAT I SUFFERED OVER TIME, WHAT HAPPENS, AND THIS HAPPENS WITH TENS OF THOUSANDS OF VETERANS HERE IN BAVAR COUNTY, WHAT HAPPENS OVER TIME IS THOSE INJURIES GET WORSE OVER TIME. AND SO IT GETS TO THE POINT WHERE YOU'RE INCREASING YOUR, YOUR, YOUR MEDICAL VISITS TO THE DOCTOR. YOU'RE INCREASING YOUR MEDS. AND SO THERE COMES A POINT IN TIME WHERE YOU HAVE TO GO BACK AND YOU NEED TO BE REEVALUATED WHERE YOU CAN'T GO BACK TO YOUR SERVICE AND GET REEVALUATED. YOU HAVE TO LOOK FOR A DAV PERSON. AND THESE PEOPLE ARE ALL VOLUNTEERS. THEY DON'T GET PAID FOR THIS. THEY'RE DOING THAT OUT OF THEIR OWN GOODNESS OF THEIR HEART AND WHAT GOD HAS LAID UPON 'EM. AND SO, AND THAT BUREAU BUREAUCRATIC PROCESS THAT YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH TO GET YOUR DISABILITY RE-LOOKED AT AND GET REEVALUATED, IT, IT, IT'S NOT EASY AND IT'S VERY TIME CONSUMING. AND WHAT HAPPENS IS VETERANS, IF THEY TRY TO DO IT THEMSELVES, WHAT DO YOU THINK HAPPENS? THEY GIVE UP BECAUSE THEY FILE THE FIRST TIME ON THEIR OWN AND THEN THEY GET DENIED. AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE VOLUNTEERS THAT KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING THAT KNOW THE INS AND OUTS OF THE SYSTEM THAT ARE VETERANS THEMSELVES TO BE ABLE TO HELP 'EM THROUGH THAT PROCESS. AND BECAUSE OF WHAT DAV 32 DOES TO SERVICE THE VETERANS HERE, UH, THIS IS, THIS IS SUCH A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU GUYS TO GIVE THIS PROPERTY TO THEM SO THAT THEY CAN POSSIBLY NOW GET GRANTS FROM THE LEGISLATURE, UH, TO IMPROVE THE FACILITIES. AND THAT MEANS IF WE'RE IMPROVING THE FACILITIES, WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WE'LL GET MORE PEOPLE IN, RIGHT? THERE'S MORE PEOPLE WE CAN HELP, WE CAN HELP GET THE WORD OUT. AND SO I, I WANT TO THANK YOU GUYS UP FRONT BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, ABOUT A YEAR AGO, UH, Y'ALL ALLOWED THE DAD CHAPTER 32 TO START USING THE GALLERY CIVIC CENTER FOR THEIR MONTHLY MEETINGS BECAUSE THEY'VE OUTGROWN, THEY'VE OUTGROWN THE FACILITY THAT THEY'RE IN. THEY CAN ONLY FIT MAYBE 35 PEOPLE IN THERE, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE AVERAGING OVER 300 PEOPLE AT THEIR, AT THEIR MONTHLY MEETINGS. AND SO I THANK YOU GUYS FOR THAT AND, UH, I HOPE YOU GUYS WILL PASS THIS TONIGHT. AND I THINK THIS IS, UH, ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF WHAT VETERAN OF MELBOURNE DOES FOR VETERANS. YOU, I KNOW COUNCILMAN LARUSSO HAS ALREADY TALKED ABOUT WHAT Y'ALL DO FOR THE HONOR FLIGHT MAN, THAT IS SO AWESOME. AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE THAT WE PUT UP, YOU KNOW, DURING THE, UH, 4TH OF JULY MEMORIAL DAY HOLIDAYS, THAT, AND SO THIS CITY HAS A REPUTATION OF BEING VETERAN FRIENDLY, AND I HOPE WE'LL MAINTAIN THAT AND EVEN GROW UPON THAT TONIGHT WITH THE ACTION THAT Y'ALL TAKE. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. THANK, THANK YOU MR. THOMAS. THANK, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THAT'S THE LAST SPEAKER. I'LL BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL, UH, DISCUSSION ON THIS. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I A QUICK QUESTION, UH, REAL QUICK, I'M SORRY. FOR OUR CITY ATTORNEY, ARE WE ALLOWED TO DONATE THIS LAND OR DO WE HAVE TO CHARGE SOMETHING? SO, SO, UM, A A A DONATION FOR A VERY NOMINAL AMOUNT, I THINK IS, IS WHAT THE CLERK OF COURT'S GONNA LOOK AT. IF WE TURN OVER A DEED RIGHT? IT, THE A $0 AMOUNT THERE, THERE'S BASICALLY A MINIMUM AMOUNT. OKAY? SO IT WOULD BASICALLY BE A NOMINAL AMOUNT AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, IF I MAY FOR A MOMENT, AND I'LL LET JENNY JUMP IN WHERE, WHERE SHE SEES FIT. BUT AS, AS WE TALK ABOUT WHAT THE MOTION FOR THIS EVENING WILL BE, RIGHT? IT'S NOT GOING TO BE JUST A, WE APPROVE THE DONATION, GO, GO FORTH, RIGHT? OUR CITY CODE AND OUR PURCHASING MANUAL REQUIREMENTS WILL SAY THAT TO DISPOSE OF THIS PROPERTY, WE NEED TO EITHER, WE NEED TO DO IT BY RESOLUTION. AND SO FOR THE ACTION ITEM FOR THIS EVENING, IF IT'S COUNSEL'S, UH, DIRECTION WOULD BE TO HAVE JENNY AND I BRING YOU BACK A RESOLUTION AND A PROPOSED DEED FOR THE DISPOSITION OF, OF THIS PROPERTY, THE DISPOSAL OF IT TO, TO THE DAV OR ORGANIZATION. UM, IT WOULD ALSO REQUIRE, UM, MUCH LIKE YOU SAW AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, UH, A WAIVER OF THE, OF THE, UM, FORMAL BID REQUIREMENTS. UM, AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, THE CODE LANGUAGE, IT'S, UM, TWO DASH 6 45 TALKS ABOUT, UM, DISPOSAL OF CITY PROPERTY. EITHER BEING FOR, UH, UH, AN ESTIMATE OF FAIR MARKET VALUE, OR IF IT'S GONNA BE LESS THAN THAT FOR GOOD CAUSE SHOWN. AND I, I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL WILL BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY AND WILL AND WILL PUT LANGUAGE IN THE RESOLUTION. WHAT THAT GOOD CAUSE IS IN SUPPORT OF THE DAV MISSION MM-HMM . THAT HAVING BEEN SAID, I THINK THE MATERIALS AND, AND WHAT JENNY HAS SHOWS THAT THE PROPERTY DOES HAVE A SIGNIFICANT VALUE. AND IF WE'RE GONNA TREAT THIS AS AN INVESTMENT IN SUPPORTING THE DAV MISSION, UM, VERY MUCH LIKE DAV MENTIONED IN THEIR MATERIALS THAT THEY SUBMITTED TO YOU. UM, THE COUNTY RECENTLY DONATED PROPERTY TO THE, TO A LOCAL DAV CHAPTER IN TITUSVILLE, BUT IT HAD WHAT WE CALL A REVERTER IN THE, IN THE DEED LANGUAGE. IT BASICALLY SAID THIS PROPERTY GOES TO DAV. IF IN ANY EVENT, [01:40:01] THE SUPPORT OF VETERANS IS NOT OCCURRING ON THIS LAND, IT WILL REVERT BACK TO BREVARD COUNTY. AND SO AGAIN, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE EMBED AND INCLUDE SIMILAR CONDITIONS OR RESTRICTIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT CITY COUNCIL'S, UH, INVESTMENT AND SUPPORT OF THE DAV MISSION IS INDEED GOING TO THAT PURPOSE. MAYOR. OKAY. UH, GO AHEAD, MA'AM. UM, I AM IN 100% SUPPORT OF THIS AND, AND THE DONATION AND, UM, EVERYTHING THAT THE DAV DOES, I KNOW FIRSTHAND HOW HARD IT IS TO APPLY FOR THOSE BENEFITS, ESPECIALLY YEARS AFTER, UM, YOU SEPARATE FROM SERVICE. UH, BUT ONE QUESTION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY, UM, CAN WE PUT LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT IF THEY SELL IT FOR ANY REASON, FOR BE THE REVERTER REVERT GOES BACK TO TER STIPULATIONS, RIGHT? YEAH. END. IT'S TOO LATE IF THEY REVERTED ON THE SALE, RIGHT? 'CAUSE I, I HEARD, UM, NOT A REVERSE WHAT YOU JUST SAID IN THAT IF THEY DON'T SUPPORT THE VETERANS ON THE PROPERTY, THEN WE GET IT BACK, RIGHT? THAT'S ONE THING. BUT WHAT IF THEY SELL IT TO A DIFFERENT ENTITY, THEN THAT'S THE SAME THING WHAT HAPPENS ON THE SALE? NO, IT WOULD BE FINE. RIGHT? WE, WE WOULD, WE WOULD SAY BASICALLY WHETHER IT'S THE DAV ORGANIZATION OR SOME SUCCESSOR, SO LONG AS THAT, SO LONG AS THAT USE AND THAT MISSION IS STILL BEING FULFILLED, I, I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT'S THE UNDERLYING INTENT, AND THAT'S VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT THE LANGUAGE IN THE COUNTY'S DEED SAYS. OKAY. SOUND GOOD? YEP. I'M STILL, I WAS ABOUT SALE THOUGH, MAYOR. HOLD ON ONE SEC. GOOD SIR. GO AHEAD, MAYOR. I'M SORRY. AHEAD, JENNY. NO, NO. I'LL LET YOU GO CITY. WELL, I, I THINK I MIGHT BE, I, I DON'T KNOW. SO, UM, LOOKING AT SECTION TWO DASH 6 45 OF CODE, AND THAT'S INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET, AND ADAM TOUCHED ON MOST OF THIS CITY ATTORNEY AND TOUCHED ON MOST OF THIS. UM, SO IT WOULD, DOES HAVE TO BE ADOPTED BY RESOLUTION. AS HE SAID, WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE, UM, COUNSEL WOULD HAVE TO DECIDE IF THEY ARE GOING TO WAIVE THE COMPETITIVE BID. AND THEN IT ALSO SAYS, FOR CONVEYANCE, REFLECTING AN ESTIMATED FAIR MARKET VALUE ON, UM, OF CITY PROPERTY IN EXCESS OF A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, AND THEN WE NEED TO ADDRESS, NOT, WE HAVE TO HAVE A APPRAISAL FOR THAT. AND THAT WE ALSO, UM, THE CONVEYANCE MUST BE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY. SO THAT ALL OF THAT NEEDS TO BE SPELLED OUT IN THE, IN THE RESOLUTION. IN REGARDS TO THE APPRAISAL, I, I ORDERED AN APPRAISAL TO GET DONE. I JUST RECEIVED IT AT 4 0 5 TODAY. UM, AND IT, IT, THE APPRAISED VALUE IS VERY CLOSE TO WHAT THE, UM, THE DAV HAS ALREADY INCLUDED IN, UM, THEIR POSSIBLE LEGISLATIVE APPROPRIATION REQUESTS. AND THEY, UM, I THINK OUR APPRAISALS ARE WITHIN A COUPLE, WITHIN A COUPLE THOUSAND DOLLARS. AND SO OUR APPRAISED VALUE IS $600,000 FOR THE PROPERTY. AND THEY HAD ESTIMATED, I THINK, 5 92, 900, 5 96 SOMETHING 200. YEAH. SO WE'RE VERY CLOSE IN WHAT THAT IS. SO WE DO HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, DETERMIN IT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY AND JUST FOLLOW WHAT THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE CODE SAYS AND THAT'LL BE INCLUDED IN THE RESOLUTION. OKAY. AND MS. HALEY? I HAVE QUESTION. YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION. RODNEY. AS YOU KNOW, HAVING MY FATHER BEING A HUNDRED PERCENT, PLEASE COME UP FOR, I'VE GOT A QUESTION. I'VE GOT A DIFFERENT . WHEN MY, WHEN MY PARENTS WERE VERY ACTIVE, AND AS YOU KNOW, AS THEY GET OLDER, THEIR INJURIES, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR INJURIES ARE, BUT YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY, YEAH, THEY GET WORSE. THEY GET, YOU KNOW, WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN THE HOSPITAL. I, WE HAD OUR OWN ROOM NUMBER. YES, MA'AM. ARE YOU REQUIRING THE MEMBERS IF WE GIVE, IF WE HAVE THIS NEW BUILDING TO MAINTAIN IT? BECAUSE THERE FOR A WHILE, LIKE I SAID, THERE WAS 20 YEARS THERE THAT THAT BUILDING WAS NOT MAINTAINED AT ALL. AND I KNOW THAT YOU WON'T BE HERE FOREVER. PLEASE DON'T, YOU KNOW, BUT WHAT HAVE YOU PUT IN THERE SO IT DOESN'T GO DOWN. IF WE GIVE YOU THE MONEY, GIVE YOU THE PROPERTY, AND YOU GET THE, THE MILLION DOLLARS TO PUT THE PROPERTY UP THERE, WHAT DO YOU HAVE IN THERE TO KEEP THE PROPERTY UP? WELL, I WAS THE SENIOR VICE COMMANDER FOR THE DAV IN CHAPTER ONE 13. AND WHAT WE DID THERE IS WE PUT ABOUT $70,000 THROUGH DIFFERENT COMMUNITY FUNDING, JUST LIKE I I HANDED YOU OFF PAPER GETTING COMMUNITY PARTNERS INVOLVED WITH THE FACILITY. AND WHEN WE DID THAT IN PORT ST. LUCY, PEOPLE STARTED RENTING THE FACILITY FOR EVERYTHING. I MEAN, PARTIES, WEDDINGS, NEW YEAR'S, ITALIAN AMERICAN CLUBS, SPANISH AMERICAN CLUB, THEY USED TO DO, THEY USED TO DO THAT FOR THAT BUILDING. THEY USED TO RENT THAT ALSO. ALL THE VF WS, AMERICAN LEGIONS, ANYBODY THAT HAD A RUNDOWN FACILITY OR NEEDED MORE SPACE LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE, WE WOULD LET THEM HAVE THEIR MEETINGS AND RENT IT FOR THEM. SO OUT OF THAT INCOME THAT WE'RE BRINGING IN FOR THAT FACILITY, WE NOW WOULD HAVE THE MONEY TO PAY TO KEEP UP WITH THE [01:45:01] MAINTENANCE. AND THAT'S THE LAST THING I SAID TO THEM AS I WALKED OUT THE DOOR, I SAID, NOW YOU HAVE IT HERE. THE MONEY'S COMING IN. DO NOT EVER LET THIS BUILDING GET THE, LIKE I LISTEN, I HEAR YOU. I HEAR YOU. I, BECAUSE I KNEW WHAT IT WAS LIKE, IT WAS VERY DEPRESSING. RIGHT. IT IT WAS VERY, BUT YES, MY, THIS OTHER QUESTION, 'CAUSE MY FAMILY MEMBERS WAS A SERVICE OFFICER. ARE THE VIETNAM VETERANS COMING IN YET FOR THEIR, FOR THEIR, BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT THE, THE WORLD WAR II, THE KOREANS, OTHER ONES, BUT NOT THE, UM, VIETNAM VETERANS WERE COMING IN FOR THEIR YEAH, THE, THE PACT ACT WAS ENACTED IN LAW AUGUST 1ST, 2022. AND WE STARTED ACCEPTING CLAIMS JANUARY 1ST, 2023. AND WE DID 600,000 IN 600 MILLION IN CHANGE. JUST IN THAT SPIKE ALONE IN BREVARD COUNTY WAS MAINLY FROM ASIAN ORANGE CLAIMS AND VETERANS. RIGHT. I MEAN, 'CAUSE THEY WERE THE WORD THEY, THEY SAID THEY, THEY HAD OTHER WORDS FOR IT. WE, WE WON'T DISCUSS THOSE WORDS RIGHT NOW, BUT THEY WERE THE HARDEST ONES TO COME IN FOR THEIR BENEFITS. NO, THEY'RE COMING IN A LOT NOW AND THANK GOD THEY ARE, BECAUSE THEY'RE, AS I SPOKE A LITTLE BIT EARLIER, THEIR SPOUSES, UH, IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS, UNFORTUNATELY, THEY'RE GONNA BE THE KOREAN WAR VETERANS. THEY'RE GONNA BE THE WORLD WAR II VETERANS THAT ARE GONE AND ALL THIS, ALL THAT'S LEFT IS THE SPOUSES. AND IT'S REALLY, REALLY SAD. I MEAN, WE ALL HAVE CHOICES IN LIFE. SOME OF US MAKE GOOD CHOICES TO PUT MONEY BEHIND AND TAKE CARE OF OUR LOVED ONES WHEN WE PASS AWAY. BUT YOU WOULD NOT BELIEVE THE PEOPLE THAT I SEE WALK INTO MY FACILITY, A LOT OF TIMES THESE CAREGIVERS FOR THE VETERANS, THE DISABLED VETERANS, THEY QUIT THEIR JOBS. THEY ARE THE CAREGIVERS FOR THOSE VETERANS. SO THEY DON'T MAKE A LIVING TO PLAN FOR THESE SPOUSES AND TO PLAN TO TAKE CARE OF THEM. SO THE VIETNAM VETERANS, THE THE AGENT ORANGE PRESUMPTIVE CLAIMS, UH, PACT ACT LAW THAT WENT INTO EFFECT, THAT'S GONNA HELP A LOT OF SPOUSES COMING IN. AND THAT'S GONNA, LIKE I SAID, IT'S GONNA TRIPLE IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS. OKAY. WELL, I HOPE I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION. YEAH. I THINK DON'T, DON'T THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE UNDERSTAND. OKAY, THANK YOU. I'M GONNA GO AHEAD. I WANNA MOVE ON. GO AHEAD. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MAYOR. AND, UH, SO MAYOR, I, I, UH, AS YOU KNOW, I'M A RETIRED, RETIRED MILITARY VETERAN, UM, 30 YEARS OF SERVICE. AND I'M ALSO SURPRISINGLY A LIFETIME MEMBER OF DAV, BUT I DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS. I KNOW, I'M, I'M AT THE DAV UP IN MERRITT ISLAND, BUT I DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS CHAPTER. BUT, BUT THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. 'CAUSE I, I FOUND OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT YOU ALL ARE DOING HERE. AND I, MY GOOD FRIEND HERE, TIM THOMAS, I DEFINITELY APPRECIATE SEEING YOU OUT, UH, ALWAYS SUPPORTING VETERANS SUPPORTING MILITARY INITIATIVES. SO, UM, I MEAN I REALLY, I REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT, WHAT WE'RE HEARING TONIGHT. AND I, AND THANK YOU ALSO CITY MANAGER FOR KIND OF TALKING ABOUT THE VALUE BECAUSE I, I JUST WANT MAKE SURE THAT AS A CITY, EVEN THOUGH WE WANNA BE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF VETERANS, THAT WE ALSO SORT OF MAKE, ENSURE THE PRECEDENTS THAT WE'RE SETTING THE VALUE AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS. BUT, UH, BUT THIS IS DEFINITELY A, A GOOD CAUSE. BUT, UH, AS WE, AS WE GO THROUGH WHATEVER THE ADMINISTRATOR THAT'S REQUIRED, YOU KNOW, UH, I, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF, OF DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND THEN WE WOULD SPOKE LIKE THAT A ROBERTA CLAUSE, WE MAKE SURE THERE'S A ROBERT ROBERTA CLAUSE. BUT SHE DID ASK A GOOD QUESTION AND I STILL DIDN'T, I WANT, I'M NOT CLEAR, I I'M GOOD ABOUT THE PURPOSE NOT BEING THAT, BUT ON A SALE, THEY'VE ALREADY GONNA A CONTRACT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENS ON THE SALE. I WOULD, I THINK, I THINK, I THINK ACCORDING TO THE CITY ATTORNEY WOULD BE A REVERTED CLAUSE STATING REVERTED BACK TO TO WHO? TO CITY OF MELBOURNE. THAT WOULD BE IN THE LANGUAGE. IT'D BE IN THE LANGUAGE. IN THE LANGUAGE. OKAY. THE FACT IS THE LAW, WE HAVE TO APPROVE THAT LANGUAGE. YOU KNOW, I WANNA MAKE SURE, AS LONG AS IT'S STAYING FOR VETERANS BENEFIT OR FOR WHAT, WHAT THEY DO FOR DAV OR THE VETERANS, THEY CAN THE PROPERTY THERE. BUT IF IT GOES TO GET SOLD APARTMENT CONFLICT, BUT IT COMES BACK. BUT, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA BE THE CASE, TODD AND I, AND I AGREE WITH YOU, BUT, BUT THAT WOULD BE REVERT BACK TO THE CITY. YEAH. SO WE IN AGREEMENT ON THAT, ON DONATING THE PROPERTY FOR THAT TOTAL COMPLETE SUPPORT. GO AHEAD, SIR. MAKE MOTION, UH, UH, JUST GET A CONSENSUS SURE. THAT THE, WE DIRECT THE CITY ATTORNEY AND CITY MANAGER DO THEIR PART AND THEN WE'LL TO DO THEIR PART ON WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT. I'M NOT GONNA GET INTO THE, YOU KNOW, THE YEAH. NITTY GRITTY OF IT. 'CAUSE YOU KNOW THAT OKAY. AND UNDERSTAND THAT AGAIN, THAT THIS OPPORTUNITY BRINGS GREATER VALUE. OH YEAH. TO ME, YOU TO THE, YOU'VE ALREADY, HONESTLY, MR, YOU'VE ALREADY, YOU'VE ALREADY SAID IT, YOU SAID IT ALL AT THE BEGINNING. WE DON'T TAX. I MEAN, IF YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT WE DON'T TAX THE DARN PROPERTY. YEAH. WE BOUGHT A 300 FOR 300 BUCKS IN 1963. SO WHAT I'M ASKING FOR YES SIR. I'M ASKING FOR A CONSENSUS. I THINK WE ALREADY HAVE IT. IF WE CAN TAKE THIS TO THE ATTORNEY TO CITY. OKAY. SO LET ME ASK REAL QUICK, HOLD ON. UH, UH, SO THE CITY ATTORNEY, IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE FULL CONSENSUS, CORRECT? MM-HMM . MM-HMM . WE HAVE FULL CONSENSUS. UH, WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM US? WHAT ELSE DO YOU NEED TO KNOW? I, I HAVE, I HAVE A RECOMMENDED TWO PART MOTION. OKAY. THE F THE FIRST PART WILL BE TO WAIVE THE, THE COMPETITIVE BID REQUIREMENTS WITHIN THE PURCHASING MANUAL. THAT, THAT PORTION WILL LET US, UM, COMMUNICATE WITH DAV AND WORK OUT THE FINAL LANGUAGE OF, OF THE DEED FOR THE DONATION. AND THEN THE SECOND PART WILL BE, [01:50:01] AGAIN, GIVING US DIRECTION TO BRING BACK A RELU, A RESOLUTION, UM, PROPOSING THE DONATION OF, OF THAT PROPERTY WITH THAT, WITH THAT FINALIZED, UH, DEED. SO, OKAY. SO THEN IF THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO WAIVE THE, UH, ONE FINAL POINT, MAYOR, BEFORE YOU GO TO RESOLUTION, UH, PLEASE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, UH, I DON'T WANNA PROLONG IT, BUT, BUT I ALSO, AS A FIRST VICE COMMANDER OF THE, UH, AMERICAN UNION POST 1 91, IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT THAT WE CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THESE KIND OF ORGANIZATIONS. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE THAT POINT SO THERE'S ON RECORD, UH, BECAUSE, UH, YOU GOT THE VFWS, THE AMERICAN LEGIONS, AND DAB. SO, UH, SO THANK YOU FOR OKAY, SO THEN, THEN I'LL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO WAIVE THE COMPETITIVE BID PROCESS, UH, REQUIREMENTS. I WILL SECOND THAT, SIR. UH, WE'VE GOT, AND, AND, AND I THINK YOU CAN WRAP IT IN WITH THE, WITH THE COUNCIL DIRECTION TO BRING BACK THE RE AND THERE'S ALSO A DIRECTED, UH, BRING BACK, UH, REGARDING THE DONATION OF THE PROPERTY. SO I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION. I SECOND THAT. UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVORS SAY AYE. A AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE. AYE. IN THAT MOTION PASSAGE UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON, UH, TO THE 19. YEAH, IT WAS 1919. LEMME FIND MY PAPERWORK. 19 WORD OF NUMBER 20 25 49. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THIS IS AN, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, PROVIDING FOR EXTENDED HOURS FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES ON NEW YEAR'S DAY MAKING FINDINGS AMENDING CHAPTER SIX OF THE CITY CODE ENTITLED ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES AMENDING SECTION SIX DASH TWO HOURS OF SALE, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND INTERPRETATION, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE, AND PROVIDING AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE. UH, THANK YOU REPORT ON, THIS IS MR. SIMMONS. GOOD EVENING, UH, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. KELLEN SIMMONS, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY. I DO HAVE THAT. I THINK THIS IS MY FIRST TIME APPEARING IN FRONT OF THE COUNCIL, SO JUST WANTED TO INTRODUCE MYSELF. THE ORDINANCE BEFORE THE COUNCIL THIS EVENING IS FOR THE AMENDMENT OF CITY CODE TO ALLOW FOR EXTENDED HOURS, UH, ON THE EVENING OF NEW YEAR'S EVE GOING INTO THE MORNING OF NEW YEAR'S DAY. THIS COMES FROM A DIRECTOR FROM CITY COUNCIL ON THE FEBRUARY 25TH MEETING, UH, TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, WHERE WE WOULD BASICALLY CREATE A, UH, A MODIFICATION OR AN AMENDMENT TO THE CITY CODE ALLOWING FOR EXTENDED HOURS. THE HOURS WILL BE EXTENDED FROM 2:00 AM UNTIL 3:00 AM AND THERE'S TWO POINTS THAT I WANNA CLARIFY. IT WOULD ONLY APPLY TO, UM, ESTABLISHMENTS THAT SELL ALCOHOL FOR CONSUMPTION ON, UH, ON SITE. AND IN ADDITION, IT ONLY APPLIES TO, UM, ESTABLISHMENTS THAT DO NOT HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. IF THEY HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, THE TERMS OF THEIR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WOULD SUPERSEDE THE ORDINANCE THAT CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COUNSEL HAS. OKAY, THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. SIMMONS? NOPE. OKAY. NO QUESTIONS. BRING IT BACK TO COUNSEL. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? MAYOR? GOOD AHEAD, MA'AM. APPROVAL ORDINANCE 2025 DASH 49. SECOND SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION BY MS. HANLEY, SECOND BY, UH, VICE MAYOR NEWMAN. HOW'S THAT? UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVORS? AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE. AYE. AND THAT MOTION PASSES. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 20, UH, DISCUSSION OF THE SITE ASSESSMENT REPORT FOR STATION 72. REPLACEMENT. THE DEPUTY CITY MANAGER IS SPEAKING ON THIS. YEAH, YEAH, SHE'S, I APOLOGIZE. I APOLOGIZE. YEAH, THE DEPUTY MANAGER. GOOD EVENING. I TO AM PRESENTING TO YOU ALL FOR THE FIRST TIME. SO, JOAN NUALA BROWN, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, I HAVE THE PLEASURE OF PRESENTING THIS ITEM ON BEHALF OF A TEAM OF INDIVIDUALS FROM THREE DI DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS WHO HAVE COLLABORATED TOGETHER TO BRING FORTH A PRESENTATION AND A DISCUSSION ITEM ON THE REPLACEMENT OF FIRE STATION 72. AND THAT IS LOCATED IN DISTRICT FIVE, UM, ON BEHALF OF THE DEPARTMENTS, THIS IS ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, AND OF COURSE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IN FRONT OF YOU, YOU SHOULD HAVE A COPY OF THE SITE ASSESSMENT REPORT AS WELL AS A COPY OF THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION. SO BEFORE I GET INTO THE POWERPOINT, I JUST WANTED TO NOTE A COUPLE OF THINGS. SO ON JULY 8TH, COUNSEL, UH, DISCUSSED THE FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENT FOR THE RELOCATION, I'M SORRY, THE REPLACEMENT OF FIRE STATION 72 AT JIMMY MOORE PARK. THAT, OF COURSE, WAS DENIED AND THAT CAME OUT OF A LOT OF DISCUSSION BETWEEN COUNSEL AND THE PUBLIC AS TO PERCEIVED DETRIMENTS TO LOCATING THE FIRE STATION IN ANOTHER AREA OF JIMMY MOORE PARK, UH, JIMMY MOORE PARK. SO WITH THAT STAFF CAME BACK TO THE TABLE AND TRIED TO IDENTIFY ALTERNATIVE SITES AND CAME UP WITH FIVE. AND AS WE GO THROUGH THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION, JUST KEEP IN MIND SOME OF THE CRITERIA FOR THE LOCATION AND HOW THOSE LOCATIONS WERE IDENTIFIED INCLUDE SITES THAT HAVE FRONTAGE AND ACCESS ON SARNO ROAD SITES THAT ARE GENERALLY AVAILABLE, AND SITES THAT ARE WITHIN A REASONABLE DISTANCE IN KEEPING OUR AVERAGE RESPONSE TIMES FOR, UH, FIRE STATION 72. SO WITH THAT, WE'LL GO OVER THE FIVE DIFFERENT SITES, [01:55:03] BUT FIRST, LET'S START WITH THE Y AND I APOLOGIZE, I CAN'T READ THAT. SO LET ME BRING UP MY OWN POWERPOINT HERE. OKAY. SO FIRE STATION 72, BUILT IN 1966, SERVING A MUCH SMALLER POPULATION THAN WE PREVIOUSLY HAVE, OR THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE TODAY. THE FIRE STATION 72 DOES NOT MEET THE MINIMUM REQUIRED REQUIREMENTS OF THE NATIONAL FIRE PROTECTION UH, ASSOCIATION. UM, THE STRUCTURE, AS YOU PROBABLY HEARD FROM THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATION, IS AGING. UH, THE STRUCTURE HAD BEEN REMODELED MANY TIMES OVER THE YEARS OR DECADES RATHER, BUT THE FOOTPRINT ITSELF HAS REMAINED THE SAME. CURRENT CALL VOLUMES AND PROJECTED DEVELOPMENT, UM, HAVE PROVEN THAT THE CURRENT SITE AND CONFIGURATION ARE NO LONGER SUITABLE FOR THE FUTURE GROWTH. AND TODAY'S STANDARDS, UM, FOR THE FIRE STATION INCLUDE MORE PERSONNEL, MORE FIRE APPARATUS, AND THEREFORE A FACILITY SUITABLE FOR SUCH INCREASES IN POPULATION AND GROWTH. SO, SITE CONSIDERATIONS, THE, THIS IS THE THEME THAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE ON EACH OF THE SLIDES AS WE GO OVER EACH OF THE FIVE SITES. AND SOME OF THE SITE CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE LOOK AT ARE THE NFA RESPONSE TIMES TRAFFIC PATTERNS, AND BEING ABLE TO MAINTAIN OUR ISO RATING AND OUR ISO RATING HAS A LOT TO DO WITH THE SPEEDINESS IN WHICH WE RESPOND TO THOSE CALLS. IT ALSO TAKES INTO ACCOUNT THE NFPAS MINIMUM SITE STANDARDS, AVAILABLE PROPERTIES, FRONTAGE OR ACCESS ON SARNO ROAD, ENVIRONMENTAL SITE CONDITIONS, AND OTHER SITE SPECIFIC CRITERIA. SO, IN KEEPING WITH THE THEME OF MEETING NFPAS MINIMUM SITE STANDARDS, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE SITES, WE'RE KEEPING THE, WE'RE IN KEEPING WITH THE 2021 F NFPAS 1500 STANDARDS FOR FIRE STATIONS. AND I WON'T PRETEND TO UNDERSTAND ALL OF THE TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS OF THAT. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THAT, WE WILL, OF COURSE BRING UP CHIEF LEACH, UM, DESIGNED TO WITHSTAND 170 MILE PER HOUR WIND SPEED REQUIREMENTS, PROVIDE FOUR ENGINE BAYS TO ACCOMMODATE FUTURE, AND, UH, CURRENT AND FUTURE FIRE APPARATUS SIZED TO ACCOMMODATE A 50 YEAR EXPECTED LIFESPAN AND SIZE TO ACCOMMODATE STAFF PRIVACY, CONSISTENT WITH THE CHANGES IN THE STAFFING. AND AS YOU PROBABLY HEARD DURING THE LAST PRESENTATION, EVERYBODY'S KINDA LIVING ON TOP OF ONE ANOTHER IN THAT LOCATION. SO IN EMERGENCY RESPONSE TIMES, I'LL COVER AN OVERVIEW OF THIS, BUT CERTAINLY CHIEF LEACH AND OUR ENGINEER, UH, CAN SPEAK TO HOW WE COME UP WITH THE, UM, AVERAGE RESPONSE TIMES, AS YOU'LL SEE IN SOME OF THIS, THE NEXT SLIDES. BUT THE AVERAGE RESPONSE TIME IS SIX MINUTES, AND THAT IS THE NFPA STANDARD CURRENTLY THE STATION, MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE'RE RESPONDING IN FIVE MINUTES, WHICH IS FANTASTIC, AND WE'D LIKE TO KEEP WITHIN THAT AVERAGE RESPONSE TIME. THE MORE THAN 70% OF THE CALLS TO FIRE STATION 72 OCCUR TO LOCATIONS EAST OF WICKHAM ROAD. SO AS YOU SEE, SOME OF THE SITE LOCATIONS THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT, MAJORITY OF THEM ARE EAST OF WICKHAM. THE AVERAGE, UH, FIRE APPARATUS SPEED IS APPROXIMATELY 30 TO 35 MILES PER HOUR, AND THAT, UH, IS EQUATES TO 44, UH, FEET PER SECOND. AND THEN LASTLY, SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, AND WE'RE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF IMPLEMENTING, IS THE EMERGENCY VEHICLE PREEMPTION. AND WHAT THAT DOES IS ESSENTIALLY IT'S A MECHANISM THAT ALLOWS, UH, TRAFFIC SIGNALS TO TRIGGER GREEN FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES TO, UM, ULTIMATELY RESPOND. SO WE COULD SAVE SECONDS, RIGHT? SO IN THE CONSIDERATION FOUR LOCATIONS, WE ALSO DON'T WANNA LOSE SIGHT OF THE FACT THAT THERE IS GROWTH WEST OF WICKHAM ROAD. AND SO THIS IS A SUMMARY HERE OF ALL THE DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN ENTITLED, EVERYTHING FROM AN APPROVED SITE PLAN TO CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION. AND THAT'S A QUICK SNAPSHOT OF WHAT THOSE NUMBERS LOOK LIKE. SO WE, WE DID ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHILE A LOT OF THE RESPONSE TIMES CURRENTLY ARE COMING FROM THE EAST OF WICKHAM, WE DO NEED TO MAINTAIN, YOU KNOW, THE OUTLOOK OF HOW WE SERVE THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE COMING TO, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE GOING TO THE POPULATION THAT WE'LL START TO SEE WEST OF WICKHAM. SO FIVE LOCATIONS, AND HOPEFULLY YOU CAN SEE IT, BUT IF NOT, PLEASE LOOK AT YOUR SLIDE. PAGE SEVEN, UH, UH, THE, THE PROPERTY IDENTIFIED AS NUMBER ONE, THAT'S THE CITY'S SITE ON SARNO ROAD. SO THAT IS WEST OF WICKHAM PROPERTY TWO IS IDENTIFIED AS THE BOOZER SITE. IT IS BETWEEN CLUB 52 AND WALMART ON THE NORTH SIDE OF SARNO. SITE NUMBER THREE IS THE CURRENT SITE OF FIRE STATION 72. NOT THAT WE WOULD KEEP THE EXACT SAME FOOTPRINT, BUT STAFF'S MINDSETS, STAFF'S THOUGHT WAS, WELL, WHAT IF, WHAT [02:00:01] IF WE WERE ABLE TO EXPAND THE FOOTPRINT AND WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? SITE NUMBER FOUR ARE THE TWO DAWN BELL PROPERTIES AND SITE NUMBER FIVE IS THE PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED LOCATION OF FIRE STATION 72. SO JUST GOING THROUGH EACH OF THE SLIDES, UH, WE'LL HAVE ONE SLIDE FOR EACH SITE. THIS IS A SUMMARY OF WHAT'S IN THE ASSESSMENT. SO IT IDENTIFIES THE LOCATION, THE ACREAGE, THE ZONING, AND WHETHER OR NOT IT'S PERMITTED AT THIS SITE. THIS IS THE CITY PARCEL ON SARNO. IT IS PERMITTED FOR A FIRE STATION. A PHASE ONE ENVIRONMENTAL SITE ASSESSMENT WAS DONE IN 2023 ALONG WITH THE GEOTECHNICAL REPORT. THE PHASE ONE ESA WAS PREVIOUSLY IDENTIFIED. THERE WERE NO CONTAMINANTS ON SITE. WE HAVE UTILIZED A BROWNFIELDS GRANT THROUGH THE EAST CENTRAL FLORIDA REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL TO CONDUCT AN UPDATED PHASE ONE. THAT'S NOT UNCOMMON. AND THAT ENVIRONMENTAL SITE ASSESSMENT DOES SHOW THAT THERE ARE WHAT THEY CALL RES RECOGNIZED ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS. THE REASON FOR THAT IS THE J THE PROXIMITY TO THE LANDFILL. SO THE CONSULTANT THAT WE HAVE USED THROUGH THE BROWNFIELD GRANT WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE ENTER INTO A PHASE TWO TO IDENTIFY WHERE ANY CONTAMINANTS MIGHT BE AND ANY REMEDIAL EFFORTS AND THE COST OF THOSE EFFORTS. ALSO ON THE MAP YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE ARE WETLANDS IDENTIFIED. SOME OF THAT CAME UP IN THE GEOTECHNICAL REPORT. THE GEOTECHNICAL REPORT ALSO TALKS ABOUT SOIL CONDITIONS AND WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO DO TO BRING THE CONDITIONS OF THE SOIL UP IN ORDER TO WITHSTAND A BUILDING AND A DRIVEWAY FOR FIRE APPARATUS. THE LAST TWO POINTS, UH, THIS SITE LOCATION WILL ADD AN ADDITIONAL 32 SECONDS ESTIMATED ONTO THE RESPONSE TIME. AND LASTLY, WITH THE SITE CONDITIONS AND THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY BEING COMMERCIAL, IF WE WERE TO PUT A FIRE STATION AND INSTITUTIONAL USE ON THIS SITE, WE WOULD, WE COULD POTENTIALLY LOSE, UH, COMMERCIAL AVAL ALARM TAX REVENUE IF IT WERE TO BE SOLD OR DEVELOPED FOR INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIAL PURPOSES. AND ALSO IT HAS AN ADDED COST TO BRING THE SITE UP TO STANDARD. ALRIGHT, SITE NUMBER TWO IS REFERRED TO AS THE BOOZER SITE. THIS IS OWNED BY, UH, BOOZER REVOCABLE TRUST, 2.6 ACRES ZONED IN ACCORDANCE, UH, ZONED AND PERMITTED FOR A FIRE STATION. A PHASE ONE ENVIRONMENTAL SITE ASSESSMENT, ALSO FUNDED THROUGH A GRANT SHOWS PERCEIVED R RECS. SO IN THIS CASE THERE IS, I'M SORRY, SHOWS POTENTIALLY RACS. I HAVEN'T GOTTEN THE FINAL REPORT, BUT WHEN I DO GET THAT, MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT WILL SHOW SOME RACS. AND THE REASON FOR THIS IS THERE IS A SPOIL SITE FROM A, A PREVIOUS DREDGE SITE, ABOUT 700 FEET, UM, FROM THE BOOZER SITE. THAT ALSO POINTS TO WE SHOULD BE CONDUCTING A PHASE TWO ENVIRONMENTAL SITE ASSESSMENT, IDENTIFY WHERE THOSE, UM, POTENTIAL CONTAMINANTS ARE REMEDIAL EFFORTS AND THE COST OF THOSE EFFORTS. IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS SITE, WE WOULD ALSO NEED TO LOOK AT A GEOTECHNICAL HAVING A GEOTECHNICAL DONE. THE RESPONSE TIME FROM THIS SITE WOULD INCREASE BY 23 SECONDS. THE FISCAL IMPACT COULD CON, COULD INCLUDE ANYTHING THAT WE NEED TO DO TO BRING THE SITE CONDITIONS UP TO STANDARD AND A LOSS IN PROPERTY AT VALOR. TAX VALUE, BECAUSE IT IS CURRENTLY COMMERCIAL AND PRIVATELY OWNED, THIS PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY LISTED FOR A LITTLE OVER 1 MILLION, NO LITTLE OVER 1 MILLION. HOWEVER, THERE'S NO APPRAISAL, NO BROKER'S, BRO, BROKER'S PRICE OPINION. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO GO OUT AND CONDUCT A, AN APPRAISAL SITE. NUMBER THREE IS THE EXISTING, UH, LOCATION OF FIRE STATION 72. AGAIN, STAFF LOOKED AT THIS TO, TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT WE COULD ACTUALLY EXPAND THE FOOTPRINT, WHETHER THE POND WAS DECORATIVE OR WHETHER IT'S AN ACTUAL POND THAT IS AT CAPACITY TAKING, UH, TAKING STORMWATER FROM ADJACENT ROADWAYS. IT IS IN FACT AN ACTIVE, UH, STORMWATER POND. IT DOES TAKE STORMWATER FROM ADJACENT ROADWAYS. SO THIS, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE SITE WAS, IS NOT ONE THAT IS GOING TO BE RECOMMENDED. UM, YOU REALLY CAN'T TOUCH THE FOOTPRINT WITHOUT MAKING OTHER STORMWATER MODIFICATIONS OR TREATMENTS EL ELSEWHERE IN THE COMPLEX. UM, THIS SITE HAS NO WETLANDS. THERE IS NO PHASE ONE ESA NEEDED GIVEN ITS CURRENT USE. WOULD NOT ADD ANY ADDITIONAL RESPONSE TIME. AND THE PHYSICAL IMPACT WOULD HAVE TO DO SOMETHING WITH SITE CONDITIONS IF WE WERE TO EVER MITIGATE OR, OR, UM, NOT, I'M SORRY, NOT MITIGATE, BUT MOVE THE STORMWATER POND. UH, RECONFIGURE THAT SITE. NUMBER FOUR IS THE DAWN BELL PROPERTIES. THE TWO PARCELS THAT ARE IMMEDIATELY NORTH OF JIMMY MOORE PARK. COLLECTIVELY, THEY'RE A LITTLE, UH, THEY'RE ABOUT FOUR ACRES, [02:05:01] SO 1.8 AND 2.6 CURRENTLY ZONED AND PERMITTED FOR A FIRE STATION. THERE IS NO CURRENT PHASE ONE ENVIRONMENTAL SITE ASSESSMENT ON THE SITE. WE DID IN FACT, REACH OUT TO OUR CONSULTANT TO SEE ABOUT DOING A PHASE ONE ON THIS SITE. THEIR RECOMMENDATION WAS, IT'S LIKELY GONNA COME BACK CONTAMINATED. WE DON'T RECOMMEND YOU DO A PHASE ONE THAT'S GONNA HURT THEIR PROPERTY VALUES AND THEIR POTENTIAL SALE. SO WE DID NOT ENGAGE THIS SITE. LOCATION WOULD DECREASE THE RESPONSE TIME BY SEVEN SECONDS. BUT THERE ARE, AGAIN, SITE CONDITIONS, LOSS IN PROPERTY TAX REVENUE, AND PERCEIVED CONTAMINATION. SITE FIVE. AND I JUST WANNA CAVEAT THAT THIS DID END UP BACK ON THE LIST. UM, IT IS AN IDEAL LOCATION FOR A VARIETY OF FACTORS. UM, WE DON'T WANT TO DISCOUNT THE PUBLIC COMMENTS FROM THE NEAR NEIGHBORING RESIDENTS, NOR THE COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL. JUST WANNA BRING IT BACK AND SAY, IF COUNCIL IS WILLING TO AUTHORIZE STAFF TO GO FORTH, WE WOULD ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY, TAKE INTO ACCOUNT SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WERE SHARED AND MAYBE LOOK AT A SMALLER FOOTPRINT OR SOME OTHER CONCESSIONS THAT WE COULD MAKE. BUT LOOKING AT THIS SITE, COMPARING IT AGAINST ALL THE OTHER STANDARDS THAT WE DID FOR THE OTHER SITES, IT'S TWO ACRES IN SIZE. IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED REC, UH, FUTURE LAND, SORRY, HAS A FUTURE LAND USE OF RECREATION. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO DO A FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENT. THERE IS CURRENTLY NO PHASE ONE, PERCEIVED NOT TO HAVE NEED ONE. UM, NO WETLANDS WOULD REDUCE THIS RESPONSE TIME BY, BY 10 SECONDS. AND LITTLE TO NO FISCAL IMPACT. SO THIS IS THE OVERALL STAFF RECOMMENDATION. AND WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS A CHART OF EACH OF THE SITES, THE AVERAGE RESPONSE TIMES, AND HOW THOSE STACK THE COST TO DEVELOP, WHETHER THAT COST IS HIGH OR LOW PERMITTING. SO WHETHER IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO PERMIT BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER OUTSIDE AGENCIES OR OTHER FACTORS. TAX IMPACTS, MEANING IT'S CURRENTLY COMMERCIAL, YOU MIGHT TAKE IT OUT THE TAX ROLL AND YOU LO LOSE YOUR ADOR TAX REVENUE AND THE SITE AVAILABILITY. SO WITH ALL OF THOSE FACTORS, STAFF LOOKED AT AND PRIORITIZED THE SITES THAT THEY BELIEVE WE SHOULD PROCEED WITH, AT LEAST FOR DISCUSSION NUMBER FIVE TO COME UP AS SITE NUMBER ONE AS TOP PRIORITY NUMBER TWO WAS THE BOOZER SITE, AND THE THIRD WAS SITE NUMBER ONE, WHICH IS THE CITY'S PARCEL ON SARNO ROAD. AND WITH THAT, I'LL TAKE QUESTIONS AND ANYTHING TECHNICAL, I'LL TURN TO OUR TEAM. OKAY, MIKE, MAYOR. GOOD. UH, SO FULL CAVEAT, I WAS NOT HERE FOR THAT MEETING WHERE EVERYBODY HAD COME OUT. SO SOME OF THIS MIGHT BE REPETITIVE, BUT TAKING A LOOK AT YOUR PRESENTATION AND AT FROM REWATCHING THAT MEETING, WHICH I DID, UM, IF WE WERE TO GO WITH SITE FIVE, WHICH TO ME ON PAPER SEEMS LIKE IT MAKES THE MOST SENSE, WOULD WE BE ABLE TO GET SEVERAL OPTIONS? BECAUSE I THINK THE ISSUE, AS YOU HAD ALLUDED TO PRIOR, WAS, UM, THE, I THINK THE RESIDENTS WEREN'T LOOKING FOR THE CERTAIN IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE PROPOSED AND THEY WANTED A LITTLE BIT OF DIFFERENT CHANGES. SO WOULD WE BE ABLE TO GET MAYBE A COUPLE OPTIONS OF WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE? I THINK, LIKE I'M RECALLING THERE WAS LIKE A PLAYGROUND AREA THAT THEY REALLY LIKED THE OPEN AIR PARK INSTEAD OF THAT AND MAYBE SOME, UH, HIGHER WALLS TO PREVENT NOISE AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SO COULD WE, IF WE WERE TO GO WITH SITE FIVE OR IS THERE THE ABILITY FOR OPTIONS AND THAT KIND OF ABILITY FOR US TO HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THAT ENTIRE SPACE AS A WHOLE TO MAKE IT A BENEFIT OF EVERYBODY? YES. AND THAT DID COME UP IN OUR CONVERSATIONS INTERNALLY AS WE SPOKE ABOUT THIS SITE, KNOWING THAT THIS ALREADY CAME UP AND THERE WAS SOME CONCERNS EXPRESSED BY THE PUBLIC AND BY COUNCIL. SO OUR ASK WOULD BE, IF WE CAN LOOK AT THIS SITE, LET US GO BACK TO THE COMMUNITY, LET US WORK WITH, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT YOU GUYS GIVE US AND SEE HOW WE CAN MAYBE RECONFIGURE THIS SITE. UH, MS. HANLEY, GO AHEAD MA'AM. OKAY. AND AFTER I'VE TALKED TO JENNY, IF WE WENT TO JIMMY MOORE, KEEP IT AT JIMMY MOORE, BUT I'M TRYING TO GO BACK WHERE WE HAD THE, UM, IF WE GO BACK TO THE PICTURE WHERE WE HAD THE, WHERE'S THE PICTURE FOR THE UNDERLINE? IT'S NOT WITH YOU, IT'S WITH JAMES. WHAT NUMBER WAS YOURS, JAMES, FOR THE DISTRICT FIVE? WAS IT KEVIN? I THINK SHE'S LOOKING FOR THE PIPELINING ONE THAT WAS FOR FOUNTAIN. IF WE LOOK AT THAT ONE, THE PIPELINING PICTURE, IF WE GO BACK IN THERE, I DON'T KNOW WHO OWNS THAT ONE PIECE OF PROP. IF WE CAN GO BACK INTO THIS PICTURE AND HAVE ANOTHER GREEN SPACE, USE THAT. PUT IT AS A PARK. OKAY, COME BACK IN. OKAY, GO BACK. OKAY, GO. YEAH, KEEP GOING UP. KEEP GOING UP. OKAY. CH BS. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU SAY THAT ROAD. THAT'S A LITTLE, THERE'S A LITTLE INDENT IN THERE. I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. WHICH ROAD? WHERE ARE WE LOOKING AT IT? IT'S OKAY. YOU SEE RIGHT AVE? YEAH, RIGHT AVE GO TO RIGHT AVE KEEP GOING TO [02:10:01] I SEE IT'S BOY COURT, BOY BOY COURT. MM-HMM . OH YEAH. OKAY. GO DOWN THERE. THERE'S A PAT. IF WE PUT LIKE A SOCCER TEAM IN THERE, TAKE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S PEOPLE SAYING THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE NOT GIVING THEM ENOUGH GREEN SPACE AND WE USED, I DON'T KNOW WHO OWN, WHETHER WE OWN THAT OR THE AIRPORT OWNS THAT, THAT WE COULD, I'M BEING TOLD IT'S THE AIRPORT. I THINK IT'S THE AIRPORT AT THAT. IT MAY BE WETLANDS, BUT WE CAN, THAT'LL BE PART OF, IF WE LOOKED AT THAT AND PUTTING THAT AS LIKE A SIDE, YOU KNOW, GOING, OKAY, WE'RE GIVING, TAKING UP THIS, BUT IF WE COULD GO AND PUT LIKE A SOCCER FIELD THERE WHERE THERE'S NOT TOO MANY, THERE'S NOTHING OVER IN THAT AREA FOR KIDS TO DO. AND IF YOU, IF YOU GO UPWARD TO ST. MIKE PAST NORTH OF ST. MICHAEL, THAT'S, UM, ROY ALLEN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. SO WE'RE KEEPING IT IN PAR. THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD BE ALMOST ENCOMPASSED, SORRY, BY PARKS, WHICH WOULD BE A OKAY, RIGHT OVER HERE. RIGHT OVER HERE IS ROYAL ALLEN. HERE'S THIS GOES, IT ALREADY OPENS UP. THERE'S THE ROYAL ALLEN IS WAY NORTH OF JIMMY MOORE PARK, ISN'T IT? NO, NO. ROYAL ISLAND ISN'T WAY NORTH. RO NO, NO. ROYAL ISLAND IS MORE SOUTH. IT'S SOUTHEAST SOUTH. SOUTHEAST, YEAH. IT'S SOUTHEAST. YEAH. ROYAL ISLAND SOUTHEAST. BUT IF WE COULD DO THAT WHERE THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE OF THE BIG THING. THEY DIDN'T WANNA GIVE UP THEIR GREEN SPACE, BUT IF WE CAN GIVE THEM THAT AN ADDITIONAL, A LARGER GREEN SPACE WHERE KIDS CAN PLAY. SO SOCCER FIELDS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WORK WITH THE AIRPORT. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'LL WORK WITH THAT. YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S FEASIBLE. I MEAN, IT'S SOMETHING, BUT I KNOW, BUT I I, I DO LIKE YOUR IDEA. UM, IF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD BE TOTALLY ENCOMPASSED. WHAT ABOUT, WHAT ABOUT THE PROPERTY WE ALREADY OWN? UH, THAT THE THREE, THE THREE OVER THERE. WE'LL TALK ABOUT . WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT LATER. OKAY. I KNOW, I KNOW. THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S, I THERE'S TO PIGGYBACK ON STANLEY. GO AHEAD, SIR. UH, ANY, ANY, UH, PROPOSAL ONTO AIRPORT PROPERTY IS GONNA TAKE 4, 5, 10 YEARS FOR APPROVAL FROM FAA? YEAH, IT'S GONNA BE A, GONNA BE A, SO I, I, I'M JUST CAUTION. THAT'S ALL. I'M EVEN, I MEAN, WE'VE WAITED. WE'RE HAVING, AND I'LL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, IT'S NOT EVEN IF THEY WILL EVEN CONSIDER IT, CONSIDER IT. YEAH. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT IT'S JUST, THAT WAS AN IDEA, IS TO GIVE THEM A GREEN SPACE THERE. THAT WAS THE LARGEST SPOT WE HAD WITH A GREEN SPACE THAT WOULD KEEP THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD, WOULD REALLY DO A GREAT JOB FOR. OKAY. 'CAUSE THERE'S NOTHING NEW BEEN DONE THERE IN 50 YEARS IN THAT WHOLE AREA IN DISTRICT FIVE. WELL, WHAT ABOUT, DO WE HAVE KIND OF, UM, IF KENNEDY, UM, DO YOU, WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHT ON, ON THIS? MY THOUGHT IS NUMBER FIVE IS COMPLETELY OUT OF THE QUESTION FOR ME. WITH, UM, BEING, I KNOW YOU WEREN'T HERE, UM, MR. NEWMAN, BUT THAT SPOT HAD SOME TREES AS WELL THAT HAD DEDICATIONS TO OKAY. UM, YEAH. DECEASED FAMILY MEMBERS OKAY. AND THINGS THAT, THAT WERE IN THAT PARK. OKAY. UM, SO I, I, AND THE MONSTROSITY THAT WAS BEING BUILT, THAT DON'T GET ME WRONG, I THINK WE NEED IT BECAUSE WE NEED THAT, UM, TRAINING FACILITY AS WELL, BUT NOT HERE. LIKE, I DON'T THINK IT FITS HERE. OKAY. UM, I'M NOT SURE IF ANY OF THESE ARE A GOOD OPTION, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO COST TAX REVENUES IN INCREASED TIME. SO I'M NOT SURE IF ANY OF THESE PROPERTIES ARE REALLY RIGHT. UH, OPTIONS. IS IS, IS CHIEF LEACH STILL HERE? YES, I'M OVER HERE. OH, I COULDN'T SEE BEHIND. IF YOU DON'T MIND, CAN I BRING HIM UP? SURE, ABSOLUTELY. UH, 'CAUSE HE AND I, HE AND I DID HAVE A DISCUSSION, UH, BRIEFLY, AND HE, UH, WE JUST, YOU KNOW, DO WHAT YOU, LISTEN, YOU GREW UP HERE, ALI. YOU KNOW THE AREA, YOU KNOW EVERYTHING. WHAT'S YOUR, YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CHALLENGES ARE ON THE PARK? UH, I DO THE, THE TIMING. WHAT DO YOU RECOMMEND? IF IT'S NOT GONNA BE ON JIMMY MOORE, I WOULD RECOMMEND BOOZER. YOU RECOMMEND BOO. AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THE, 'CAUSE WE HAD MR. THE VICE MAYOR SAID HE WASN'T AT THE LAST MEETING, RIGHT? THERE WASN'T A TRAINING FACILITY THAT WAS PROPOSED. IT WAS A, IT WAS A STAIR TOWER. THAT'S ALL THAT WAS. I KNOW IT, IT GOT CALLED A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT EVENING AND THERE WAS A LOT OF, UH, SOME CI CITIZENS ARE A LITTLE EXCITED. I UNDERSTAND IT. THEIR BACKYARD. IT WASN'T A TRAINING FACILITY THOUGH, IT WAS JUST A TOWER, RIGHT? IT'S AN CLOSED STAWELL. WAS THAT TALL? IT WAS TALL. IT WAS, IT WAS TALL. SO, UM, BUT I JUST WANTED YOU TO MAKE SURE IT WASN'T LIKE A TRAINING FACILITY, LIKE WHERE WE DO OUR TRAINING. TRAINING. IT WAS JUST FOR THE, THAT CREW THERE TO, TO BASICALLY DO STAIRWELL DRILLS. UM, BUT BACK TO YOUR QUESTION, MR. MAYOR. UM, I DON'T TAKE INTO ALL THE ACCOUNTING AS THE ENGINEERING AND THE ECONOMICS OF IT, BUT WITH THE PREEMPTION DEVICES COMING IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE, THE, THE BOOZER PROPERTY WOULD WORK. I, I WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE. CAN YOU PUT THAT ONE BACK UP PLEASE? THE BOOZER PROPERTY? [02:15:02] I'M A FOUR. OH, YOU I WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ME. THAT'S NUMBER, IT'S NUMBER TWO. SORRY. SO, AND, AND PER DISCUSSION TOO, AGAIN, JUST BEING TRANSPARENT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE GROWING, UH, TO THE WEST. SO AS YOU WERE SAYING, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO LOOK IN THE FUTURE, UH, THAT WOULD BE A, A, AN OPTION FOR US. UH, LISTING PRICE ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS. YOU SAID 23 SECOND ON A RESPONSE TIME ADDED, YOU SAID THAT THAT WAS I THINK ESTIMATED. ESTIMATED. ESTIMATED, YEAH. UM, SO THAT'S CURRENT, CURRENT WITHOUT PREEMPTION DEVICE. RIGHT. ONCE WE GET THOSE PREEMPTION DEVICES, HOPEFULLY THAT WOULD REDUCE CORRECT. FOR THE, FOR THE, UH, TRAFFIC. SO, UH, THAT'S SOMETHING AGAIN, I, I WOULD, YOU KNOW, I I I TRUST, I TRUST CHIEF BLEACH. UH, AND, AND YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT SITE TOO. UM, AND IT WAS BROUGHT UP A COMMUNITY ROOM. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COMMUNITY ROOM COULD FIT THERE. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS NEEDED. UM, AND REALLY YOU CAN PUT REALLY WHATEVER YOU NEEDED THERE. THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE, WHAT ELSE? MAYOR, MY FELLOW COUNCIL. GO AHEAD, MAYOR. AND THAT TOWER WOULD FIT THERE TOO. AB WELL, WHATEVER THEY NEED. YEAH. YEAH. AND I AGREE WITH THE CI CAN SUPPORT THAT AND, AND I DO COMMUTE WITH THE COMMUNITY ROOM. WE, WE NEED THAT FOR, FOR WHAT'S GOING ON. AND, AND, UH, I WOULD EVEN SUGGEST THAT IF IT'S GONNA BE AN ADDITIONAL LISTING, YOU KNOW, AROUND $1 MILLION, EVEN IF WE THINK ABOUT SELLING THE PROPERTY, THE THREE ACRES WE HAVE, SELL IT TO RECOUP THE FUNDS AND REMEMBER, UH, WHERE IT IS NOW, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA RECOUP THAT INTO A PARKING LOT AND WE'RE GONNA INVEST IN THAT PARK. SO IT'S GONNA REALLY BE A WIN FOR THE PARK. IT'S SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE ARE, ARE, ARE, UH HUH YOU'LL JUST JENNY DOWN THE ISSUES. JENNY. UH, YOU HAD SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE SCHEDULED AS A CIP PROJECT TO INVEST IN, TO, TO INVEST IN THE PARK AND INVEST IN THE PARKING LOT. IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD, UH, UH, INITIALLY OR DOWN THE ROAD LOOK AT. SO, SO GO AHEAD, SIR. UH, MAYOR. SO FROM MY INITIAL, UH, UH, EXPOSURE TO THE PRESENTATION, I WAS ALSO THINKING THE, UH, THE, THE SAME SITE THAT CHIEF WAS SAYING THAT WAS, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN MY NO MORE PRIORITY. BUT THEN I ALSO CAN AGREE WITH WHAT THE DEPUTY MAYOR IS. UH, I MEAN, NOT DEPUTY MAYOR, CITY MANAGER, WRONG CITY. YEAH, I KNOW, RIGHT? , IT, IT IS SAYING ABOUT, UH, NUMBER SITE NUMBER FIVE WOULD PROBABLY BE THE SECOND OPTION JUST BECAUSE THERE'S SOME COST SAVINGS. BUT THEY WOULD HAVE TO DEFINITELY BE, UH, ALL OF THE CONSIDERATIONS FROM THE PUBLIC AND WHAT THEY WERE SAYING WOULD HAVE TO BE ACCOUNTED FOR AND ADDRESSED. THAT'S THE NUMBER TWO, I THINK. I THINK, AND I THINK ME AND MS. HANLEY WILL AGREE WITH BE ON THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT DISTRICT, I, I I REPRESENT THAT DISTRICT PART OF MS. HANLEY. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY LOVE THAT PART. I MEAN, THEY, THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING OUT THERE LIKE THEY USED TO. I'LL BE, I'LL DO THAT A CHANGE UNTIL DO SOMETHING. I'LL BE HONEST. 'CAUSE I'VE BEEN REALLY, MY OFFICE IS SO CLOSE THERE AND I DON'T, PEOPLE SAY THEY GO OUT THERE, BUT YET WE HAVEN'T HAD, WELL, I DO SEE PEOPLE WHEN I GO BY, GO BY ABOUT EVERY DAY. WELL, I'LL TELL YOU ONE WHERE THE BIG ONE IS, IS THEY'RE ALL IN THE PICKLEBALL COURT. YEAH. THAT, THAT'S WHERE, I MEAN, THAT THING IS JUST, UM, SO, SO WHAT CAN, TO MOVE FORWARD, TO MOVE FORWARD? WHAT ARE WE THINKING HERE? YEAH. WHAT, WHAT DO YOU NEED TO MOVE FORWARD? FIVE AND TWO. FIVE AND TWO. MAYOR, CAN I JUST SAY SOMETHING? UM, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE CHIEF TWO AND FIVE. THIS, UM, WHAT THREW ME OFF ON THIS SITE TOO WAS THAT PLUS 23 SECONDS. SO YOU'RE, ARE WE SAYING THAT WHEN WE START TO GROW, UM, THAT WAS, WE HAVE SOME MEETING THAT WAS AN ANALYSIS DONE BY US FOR RIGHT NOW WE CURRENTLY, 70% OF OUR CALLS ARE EAST OF WCU. SO WHEN WE WERE TRYING TO GIVE YOU THESE, THESE, THESE SITES, WE WERE TRYING TO, WE EXPLAINED TO THE COUNCIL THAT MOST OF THEIR CALLS ARE GONNA BE GOING BACK TO THAT CORRIDOR. SO ANYTHING WEST OF WCA COULD EXTEND OUR RESPONSE TIME. AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF NFPA STANDARDS AND TALKING ABOUT RESPONSE TIMES. THE BIGGEST ONE YOU GUYS, I WOULD LIKE YOU TO REMEMBER IS SHE IS RIGHT. THE DEPUTY CITY MANAGER'S, RIGHT. IT IS SIX MINUTES, BUT WITHIN THAT SIX MINUTES IS A FOUR MINUTE TRAVEL TIME. THE DISPATCH HAS A MINUTE TO TONE US OUT. WE GET A MINUTE TO GET TO THE TRUCKS, GET ALL OUR STUFF ON. THE TRAVEL TIME IS ONLY FOUR MINUTES. SO ANY REALLY VARIATION FROM THE CURRENT STATION TWO, WE WOULD TRY TO CONSIDER WHAT THAT WOULD DO FOR OUR RESPONSE TIMES AND LET YOU LET Y'ALL KNOW IS ALL WE WERE TRYING TO TELL YOU. OKAY. THERE OBVIOUSLY IS GONNA BE A LITTLE, A GREATER RESPONSE TIME GOING WEST OF WCA, BUT WITH PREEMPTION, I THINK IT WILL BE, WOULD BE NEGLIGIBLE MOVING FORWARD. OKAY, MAYOR. THANK YOU MA'AM. UH, MAYOR, NOT, NOT THAT I'M ASKING RIGHT NOW, BUT IT WOULD BE VERY INTERESTING TO SEE THE DIFFERENT FIRE STATIONS AND WHERE THEIR RESPONSE SORT OF CIRCUMFERENCE REALLY IS. AND YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOUR POINT IS VALID BECAUSE AS MORE THINGS START TO HAPPEN ON THAT SIDE OF SAR NO, THE RESPONSE TIME IS ACTUALLY LOWER FOR THAT SIDE. BUT, BUT CURRENTLY, BASED OFF OF WHAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH NOW, IT IS INCREASED. BUT YOU KNOW, IF STUFF LIKE, IF CLUB 52 STARTS TO BUILD MORE THINGS THERE YES. OR WHATEVER, THEN YOUR RESPONSE TIME CHANGES. CORRECT. MS. LAMB, [02:20:01] THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GONNA STATE IS AS SOME OF THESE PROJECTS THAT ARE WEST OF WCA GET DEVELOPED, RIGHT, THE, THE RESPONSE TIME'S GOING TO SHIFT BECAUSE MORE OF MORE RESPONSE COULD BE OCCURRING TO THE WEST. TO THE WEST. AND SO THAT'S THE TIME RIGHT NOW. BUT THAT'S WHY WE INCLUDED THAT FUTURE AND THE FUTURE GROWTH IN THE STUDY. CAN I, CAN I, UH, GO AHEAD MS. LEY THE, BECAUSE I SIT THERE, BECAUSE I SIT IN MY OFFICE. I HEAR YOU GUYS, AND I WILL, I CAN'T WAIT TILL YOU MOVE AWAY FROM THE CORNER OF SARNO AND WICKHAM. 'CAUSE I HOLD MY BREATH WHEN I HEAR THE SIREN START THAT I'M ALWAYS OH, THE WRECKS. NO, I, YES, I'M ALWAYS WORRIED ABOUT A WRECK. I YOU HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT THAT. BUT I DON'T THINK THEY REALIZE EVERYBODY'S LOOKING AT THE EAST AND WEST. YOU DO GO SOUTH ALL THE WAY TO OH YES MA'AM. UM, UH, ALICE ALMOST. YEAH. YES MA'AM. YOU GO SPACE COAST. DON'T EVERYBODY REALIZES HOW MANY TIMES YOU'RE UP AND DOWN THAT SOME DAYS A LOT MORE THAN OTHERS. BUT, UM, YES, I DO HEAR YOUR SIRENS ALL THE TIME AND YES, I DO. THE BIGGEST THING I IS MY FEAR OF HEARING THAT WRECK OF SOMEBODY HITTING YOU AS YOU'RE PULLING OUT INTO THE, UM, BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE WHEN THAT FIRE STATION WAS BUILT, WICKHAM ROAD WASN'T EVEN A GLIMPSE IN ANYBODY'S EYES. SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS WAY OUT THERE. THAT WAS BUILT WAY BEFORE MY H MY HOUSE WAS BUILT. MM-HMM . RIGHT? SO, OKAY. OKAY. SO, AND REAL QUICK, THE , YOU GOT THAT. SO A OH GOSH, I'M BACK GONNA MY OWN DRINK. OKAY, SO PUT THE HANDS, UM, QUICK QUESTIONS. A COUPLE OF THEM, YOU GUYS HAD SPENT A, A LOT OF MONEY TO GET THE DESIGN FOR THE SARNO UH, PROPOSAL. CORRECT? THE, THE, THIS ARCHITECT OF THE, OF THE BUILDING, THE PROPOSAL, THAT WAS A FEW MONTHS AGO THAT, THAT TURNED OUT JIMMY MOORE. THAT WAS, HOW MUCH DID THAT COST FOR THE ACTUAL DESIGNER TO, I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT DOLLAR VALUE ON THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT IT WAS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE DESIGN PROCESS. WOULD WE BE ABLE TO USE THAT SAME DESIGN AT THE SITE TOO? LIKE JUST PLUG IT INTO I CAN'T, I CAN'T ANSWER THAT. NO, HONESTLY, I KNOW IT WOULD HAVE TO BE ALTERED. I THINK THE STORMWATER WOULD HAVE TO BE LOOKED AT SEPARATELY. I MEAN, JUST, IT, IT MAYBE COULD HAVE A VERY SIMILAR CONFIGURATION. WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO KEEP THE BUILDING IN A VERY SIMILAR CONFIGURATION, BUT WE WOULD STILL NEED DESIGN MODIFICATIONS. OKAY. BUT WE TRY TO LIMIT THOSE JUST DEPENDING ON WHERE OUR ACCESS POINTS ARE AND SO FORTH. OKAY. 'CAUSE I WAS LIKE LOOKING AT IT LIKE THE, THE ESAS, THE WETLANDS TRYING TO OFFSET THE COST OF MAYBE WE COULD SAVE MONEY ON THE DESIGN, UM, TO PUT TOWARDS, UH, REMEDIATING THIS TO PROPER SOIL . I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE TO SAY THAT. OKAY. SO, SO, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT EITHER WHAT SITE TWO OR THE ORIGINAL SITE FIVE AND SITE TWO. THOSE ARE, IS THAT KIND OF OUR OPTIONS? COUNCIL? SAY TWO AND FIVE. TWO AND FIVE FIVE. SO, SO WHY DON'T WE DO THAT AND LOOK AT TWO AND FIVE, BRING IT BACK. ME, I PREFER TWO, UH, OUTTA TWO AND FIVE, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'M GONNA ASK EACH COUNCIL MEMBER. BUT YOUR NUMBER ONE PREFERENCE NUMBER TWO, JUST FOR YOUR, YOUR TWO TWO MS. HANLEY, WHAT DO YOU PREFERENCE? TWO OR FIVE? I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT, HERE WE ARE, WE JUST WENT TO THROUGH BUDGET AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE HAD TO RAISE THE TAXES FOR DIFFERENT THINGS AND WE'RE GONNA SPEND ANOTHER MILLION, ANOTHER ANOTHER MILLION DOLLARS JUST ON THE PROPERTY. AND THEN WE DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE WE'RE GOING TO DO HAVE TO DO TO GET THAT PROPERTY UP TO, UP TO THE STANDARD. BUT, BUT THAT'S GREEN SPACE ACCORDING TO OUR RESIDENCE. PARDON ME. OUR GREEN SPACE. AND MAYBE WE CAN COUNTER THAT WITH SELLING THE OTHER PROPERTY ACROSS. WE'VE GOT THREE ACRES. WE'VE GOT THAT UP FOR SALE, BUT I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WANTS, NOBODY WANTS IT. YEAH. BUT, UM, HOW ABOUT YOU MS. BETH? YOU TWO, FIVE, I MEAN I A FIVE AND TWO. I KNOW THAT THEY WANT, I KNOW THE FIREFIGHTERS WANT TWO, SO I'LL MAKE THEM HAPPY AND, UH, LOOK TO, LOOK, LET'S LOOK AT ALL EVERYTHING THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT TO. OKAY. SPECS. AND YOU , UH, FIVE, BUT I WANT TO BE CLEAR, I WANT TO PRESERVE THOSE TREES IF POSSIBLE. IF THERE'S A WAY FOR US TO AMEND THAT IN SOME WAY. SO I, I I THINK THAT'S A VERY WONDERFUL POINT. THINK NO. 'CAUSE I THINK WE ASKED THAT AT THE LAST THERE, THERE WAS A NO GO. WELL, JUST MY, AT LEAST MY THOUGHTS ON IF THEY ARE ABLE TO, WHEN IF THEY BRING SOMETHING BACK BEFORE WE'RE DOING THAT FIVE WOULD BE MINE. WITH THAT, WITH THAT CAVEAT. HOW ABOUT YOU SIR? TWO. TWO. HOW ABOUT YOU SIR? TWO, TWO AND FIVE. SO WE KIND OF HAVE A CONSENSUS. TWO AND THEN FIVE IF WE CAN BRING SOMETHING BACK, MAYBE THAT'LL HELP YOU AND AT LEAST THAT ELIMINATE ALL THE OTHER NEW CAN FOCUS AND COME BACK. AND I THINK WE WERE LOOKING, I MEAN JUST AS LONG AS THAT INCLUDES AUTHORIZATION FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH LIKE AN APPRAISAL AND POSSIBLE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE YEAH. THE BOOZER TRUST SO THAT WE CAN, WE CAN START THAT CONVERSATION AND WHEN WE COME BACK WE HAVE MORE INFORMATION. I THINK WE HAVE A CONSENSUS ON THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AND BRING SOMETHING BACK BETWEEN TWO AND FIVE. AND I THINK WE CHOOSE OVERALL. YEP. AT LEAST IF WE DECIDE TO GO TO FIVE, WE CAN HAVE OUR FIREFIGHTERS GET WITH A RESIDENT AND SAY, LISTEN, WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN. MAYBE WE'LL SCALE THAT DOWN, GET RID OF THAT TALL, UH, TRAINING AREA OR SOMETHING. OR, OR FIGURE SOMETHING OUT. BUT, UH, [02:25:01] I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS. IF YOU GO OVER TO SATELLITE BEACH, I CAN'T, I KNOW HOW TO GET THERE, BUT I THE ROAD SOME OF THE NEWER ONES. DESOTO? YEAH. DESOTO. NO, NO, NOT ON DESOTO. RUDOLPH PINEDO, THE NEXT ROAD. EASTERN WEST, ONE OF, I CAN'T THINK OF THE ROAD. I KNOW HOW TO GET THERE, BUT, UM, THEY JUST BUILT SATELLITE BEACH. JUST BUILT A BIG FIREHOUSE THERE, RIGHT? I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT WAS GONNA BE ABOUT THE SAME SIZE AS WHAT WE WERE GONNA PUT THERE. SO, I MEAN THIS IS WHERE EVERYBODY'S GOING. I THINK THERE JUST, WE'VE HAD SUCH A SMALL FIREHOUSE THERE THAT, THAT WAS BUILT. THERE WAS NOT EVEN 15,000 PEOPLE IN THAT AREA WHERE, WHEN THE FIREHOUSE WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT. AND I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE AFRAID OF, THEY'RE AFRAID OF CHANGE. AND, UH, DID IN THAT FIREHOUSE, IN SATELLITE BEACH IS ALSO INCORPORATED. THERE'S THEIR WATER, THEIR WATER, UH, PROJECTS, THE, THEIR WATER DEPARTMENT. SO IF YOU GO DOWN THERE AND YOU GO DOWN, UM, I, I BELIEVE THE STACK. SO THAT WOULD BE BIGGER THAN, BIGGER THAN OURS, JACKSON. SO YOU, YOU'VE GOT THREE BAYS OR, OR TWO BAYS THERE. AND THEN ANOTHER ONE IN AN ESCALATION OF, OF HEIGHT. UM, IT'S ALL INCLUSIVE OF TWO DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS. SO COMPARING ONE TO THE OTHER IS LIKE HOW DIFFICULT APPLES TO ORANGES FOR ME RIGHT NOW. LOOKING AT THAT. THERE'S, BUT I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING I DO. UH, BUT JUST MAKING SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, ON THE RECORD THAT EVERYTHING IS FAIR AND BALANCED, FAIR BALANCED AND UNAFRAID. THINK HOW MAY JUST, HOW MAY JUST PUT NEW FIREHOUSE THAT WERE GONNA BE ABOUT THE SAME SIZE. RIGHT. JAMES, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SAY? JAMES, COME ON UP. WE MAKE EVERYBODY ELSE DO IT. YOU GOTTA DO IT. UH, SORRY, I JUST WANTED TO ADD IN, IF WE ARE TO, UH, BE GIVEN DIRECTION TO PROCEED WITH LOOKING AT SITE TWO, I'D LIKE TO REQUEST THAT GEOTECHNICAL INVESTIGATION ALSO BE AUTHORIZED. YEAH, THAT'S GONNA, WE, WE COME BACK COST DRIVERS, YOU, WHATEVER YOU GOTTA DO TO BRING THAT BACK TO US AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE. I THINK THAT WE, THAT WAS OUR CONSENSUS. SORRY. YEP. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO I THINK WE'RE GOOD ON THAT ONE, RIGHT? MM-HMM . SO I THINK WE'RE MOVING ON. MOVING ON. UM, 22, 22. YEAH, WE ARE BOARD APPOINTMENTS, UH, CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD. UM, SIR. THANK YOU MAYOR. THE TERM OF JOHN GREAVES WILL EXPIRE ON OCTOBER 14TH AND HE HAS EXPRESSED INTEREST IN BEING REAPPOINTED. SO THE FIRST ACTION ON THIS ITEM WOULD BE TO, UH, REAPPOINT JOHN GREAVES AS A REGULAR MEMBER IF THAT'S YOUR WISH. THEN THE NEXT ACTION WOULD BE TO USE THE NOMINATION PROCESS TO SELECT TWO OF THE OUTSIDE APPLICANTS TO FILL THE TWO ALTERNATE MEMBER VACANCIES. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH, I DO THE, WE KEEP MR. GRES GO. MAYOR, I'LL SECOND THAT. YEAH, I'LL NOMINATE MR. GRES. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR MR. GRIEVE? WHO THE MOTION YOU FIRST YOU KEEP MS. HANLEY WITH THE MOTION. SECOND, UH, FOR ALL OF THE FAVOR, SAY AYE A ANY OPPOSED? HOW ABOUT A MOTION? PASS A SECOND. ALRIGHT. UH, I'D LIKE TO, I LOOKED AT THE REST OF THE APPLICANTS THAT ARE LEFT AND YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE'S KIND OF VARIOUS REASONS. I BELIEVE THERE'S FOUR OF 'EM. ONE OF THEMS A, AN ANNOUNCED CANDIDATE. I THINK WE'VE MADE A PRECEDENT THAT WE JUST DON'T, UH, DO ANNOUNCED CANDIDATES FOR THOSE POSITIONS. UM, BETWEEN THE REST OF THE THREE OF 'EM, UH, BY RESUME AND WHAT HAVE YOU. I THOUGHT THAT, UH, HUNTER BENINGER AND TERRY FULTON WERE BE THE ONES I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE FOR. AND I'LL SECOND THAT NOT TO NOT HUNTER, BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENED EARLIER THIS YEAR, WHAT HE CALLED ONE OF OUR POLICE OFFICERS A NAME. I, I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT ONE. OKAY. WELL, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK, I THINK IF ANYTHING, AND I KNOW HUNTER, YOU KNOW, HE, HE LEARNING THE PROCESS AND HOW THINGS REALLY WORK. MM-HMM . YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE PERCEIVE HOW GOVERNMENT WORKS. THEY DON'T KNOW UNTIL THEY GET IN AND UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT ALL TYRANTS. THAT THE FACT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ALL HAVE STAFF AND WE'RE ALL, WE'RE ALL JUST A NUMBER AND WE ALL HAVE OUR INFLUENCE AND WE ALL, WE WIN SOME AND WE LOSE SOME. SORRY. THANKS. AND THAT'S FOR EVERY BOARD TOO. SO I THINK, I THINK IF ANYTHING IT'D BE A GOOD, UH, LEARNING EXPERIENCE FOR HUNTER. I DO KNOW THEY INVEST A LOT IN DOWNTOWN MELBOURNE IN THE SMALL BUSINESSES. SO, UH, I KNOW WE HAVE A FIRST AND WE HAVE, UH, UNLESS WE CAN GO DOWN, WE CAN GO DOWN THE, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, LET'S GO DOWN THE LIST AND YOU CAN GIVE YOU TWO AND WE'LL DO A, A NOMINATION THAT WAY. IS THAT, IS THAT OKAY? UP, UP TO COUNSEL, THERE'S TWO NAMES THAT HAVE BEEN NOMINATED. IF THERE ARE NO MORE NAMES THROWN OUT, THEN I WOULD RECOMMEND A MOTION TO APPOINT THOSE TWO INDIVIDUALS. I'D MAKE A MOTION TO, WELL, HOLD ON. DO, DO YOU HAVE SOMEONE OUT? I'D RATHER HAVE, UM, TERRY FULTON AND CHRISTOPHER TEN'S SEAT, WHATEVER. OKAY. WHATEVER IT IS. CHRISTOPHER, WE'LL GO DOWN, WE'LL GO DOWN THE LIFT AND THEN YOU CAN PICK, WE'LL PICK TWO AND THEN WE'LL FIGURE THAT OUT. IS THAT ALL RIGHT? AWESOME. OKAY, GO AHEAD. ALRIGHT, SO WHEN, UM, THE NOMINATIONS ARE BENINGER, FULTON AND TI OR HOWEVER IT'S SPELLED, AND SO WHEN I SAY YOUR NAME, IF YOU'LL JUST GIMME THE TWO NAMES. SO WHO DID SO, SO [02:30:01] THE NOMINATE THE INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE BEEN NOMINATED TO FILL THE TWO OPEN SPOTS ARE HUNTER BENINGER, TERRY FULTON, AND CHRISTOPHER TI. ARE THERE ANY MORE NOMINATIONS? IF NOT, THEN I WILL CALL YOUR NAME AND YOU'LL JUST GIVE ME TWO OF THOSE THREE NAMES THAT YOU'D LIKE TO PICK. SO YOU'RE VOTING ON TWO OUT OF THE THREE? YEAH. VOTE ON TWO OUT. THREE. TWO OUTTA THREE. YEP. GO. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH. UH, GO MOVE FORWARD. I'LL COME, COME BACK TO ME. . OKAY. YOU CAN'T DO THAT. YEAH. ROBERT, ROBERT PAROLES. YOU CAN'T DO THAT, SIR. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I'M, I GUESS I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON WITH MR. GREAVES. 'CAUSE HE'S, HE'S, YOU'VE MADE A MOTION TO REPOINT HIM. HE'S GOOD TO RE APPOINTED. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S WHAT I MISSED. YOU'VE ALREADY REPOINTED. OKAY. FILLING TWO ALTERNATE MEMBER POSITIONS. GOT IT. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I MISSED. THANK YOU. THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA TRY TO FIGURE OUT. SO MY MINE WOULD BE, UH, UH, FULTON AND, UH, TI. OKAY. MR. LARUSSO. SAME. FULTON AND WHO? I DIDN'T CATCH LAST NAME. CHRISTOPHER. OKAY. I CAN'T SAY LAST NAME. COUNCIL MEMBER BASSETT, UH, THE, UH, FULTON AND TI COUNCIL MEMBER HANLEY FULTON. AND 10 MR. CHRISTOPHER TI. GOT IT. COUNCIL MEMBER KENNEDY. I'LL GO WITH THOSE TWO 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW ANY OF 'EM. SO I'M GOING TO DIVERT COUNSEL, UH, VICE MAYOR NEWMAN, UH, BENINGER AND FULTON AND MAYOR ALFRE, BENNINGER, AND FULTON. SO THEREFORE, TI AND FULTON GET IT CORRECT? YES, SIR. OKAY. UH, AND DO YOU WANT THE, UH, MOTION ON THAT? DO WE MAY MAKE THAT MOTION? NO, THAT WAS THE ROLL CALL VOTE. I THINK WE GOOD. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE. ALRIGHT, SO WE ARE MOVING ON. UH, JUST ITEM B ON THIS ONE. MAYOR. THIS, THIS IS JUST THE REAPPOINTMENT OF TWO MEMBERS TO THE GENERAL EMPLOYEES PENSION PAN PLAN BOARD OF TRUSTEES. AND THE RECOMMENDED ACTION IS TO REAPPOINT THE CURRENT MEMBERS, ROBERT JOHNSON AND LISA SEL. OKAY. I NOMINATE THE TWO OF THE, SO MOVE. I'LL SECOND THAT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY MS. HANLEY. I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. A. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE. AYE. THAT MOTION PASSES. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON. I GUESS PETITION OR MONSTERS AND COMMUNICATIONS. WE'LL GO DOWN THE LIST. UH, MS. BASSETT A I'M ALWAYS FIRST. OKAY. UH, SO I HAD A, A BUSY FEW WEEKS OFF. I DON'T, I GOT TO ATTEND A LOT OF EVENTS. UM, I, ON OCTOBER 3RD, UM, I ATTENDED THE NATIONAL VETERANS HOMELESS, UH, SUPPORT EVENT. AND THAT WAS A VERY REWARDING EXPERIENCE, KNOWING ALL THE MONEY RAISED TO, UM, GET THE, UH, DISABLED VETERANS OR VETERANS THAT ARE ON THE STREETS, IN HOMES, CARS, GROCERIES, EVERYTHING THEY NEED TO GET THEIR FEET ON THE GROUND. UM, IT'S BEEN ESPECIALLY VERY MOVING EVERY YEAR. THEY DO IT, IT STILL ALWAYS MAKES ME CRY EVERY TIME THEY DO IT. UM, THEY ALWAYS RESERVE A TABLE FOR THE, UH, VETERANS THAT ARE, UH, POWS LIKE LOST TO NEVER FOUND. AND THEY DO A LITTLE CEREMONY TIP THE HAT AND RESERVE SPACES. IT'S, IT ALWAYS GETS ME VERY SAD, BUT IT WAS NICE KNOWING THAT A LOT OF MONEY WAS RAISED, UH, TO GO TO HELP THEM. UM, ON OCTOBER 7TH, I WENT TO NATIONAL NIGHT OUT. THAT WAS A LOT OF FUN. UH, IT WAS GREAT TO SEE, UM, THE, THE POLICE AND THE COMMUNITY COME TOGETHER AND, YOU KNOW, BREAKING BREAD AND ENJOYING FESTIVITIES AND CELEBRATING TOGETHER. MY KIDS HAD A BLAST. UM, AND OCTOBER 9TH I ATTENDED THE ANNUAL COMMUNITY FORUM. UM, IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE, UH, CITIZENS OF MELBOURNE, UM, AND ALL OVER TO COME AND MEET WITH AND ASK QUESTIONS OF EVERY LAW ENFORCEMENT GROUP, UH, JUDGES, UM, UH, PARKS AND LIKE THEY JUST, EVERY DIVISION OF GOVERNMENT IS THERE, UH, THAT YOU COULD ASK QUESTIONS OF AND THEY'LL GIVE YOU HONEST ANSWERS. AND IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT WHAT GOES ON, UM, IN THE COUNTY. UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU, MS. HANLEY. UM, I WANT TO THANK THE INDIAN, THE HINDU COMMUNITY FOR INVITING US ALL TO HOPE I SAY THIS RIGHT? DAL INDIAN. OH, DUW. DWA. I'M SAYING, I'M SAYING EVERYTHING WRONG TONIGHT, BUT I REALLY APPRECIATE IT THE LAST TIME YOU INVITED US TO THAT EVENT. THE FOOD WAS EXCELLENT AND ESPECIALLY I, WITH WHAT HAS GONE ON IN OUR COMMUNITY, I REALLY DO APPRECIATE IT. I WILL BE THERE. UM, TODAY I WENT TO GOD MIGHTY TO SEE THE FALCON AND YES, I DID NOT HUG THAT PLANE, BUT IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL PLANE. IT WAS BEAUTIFUL TO SEE YOU WANTED TO HUG IT? YEAH, I WANTED TO HUG IT. UM, I AM GOING THIS WEEK TO, FOR THE LEAGUE OF CITIES, FOR THE, UM, FINANCIAL AND ALL THAT. THAT'S WHAT I'M GONNA BE STUDYING TOMORROW NIGHT. GUESS WHAT I'M GONNA BE STUDYING TOMORROW NIGHT? IT'S JUST LIKE READING AN ACCOUNTING BOOK. UM, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY, ANY IDEAS WHAT I COULD BRING BACK OR BRING TO THE THING? BECAUSE THIS IS THE, THE COUNCIL THAT I'M ON IS ON THE TAXATION AND [02:35:01] FINANCE. FINANCE AND I MEAN, I WAS THERE YEARS AGO, BUT THIS, TELL ME WHAT'S ON YOUR AGENDA THEN I CAN GIVE YOU SOME INFORMATION. WELL, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, DOING AWAY WITH PROPERTY TAXES. OKAY. THIS IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT, THIS IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT BALL GAME. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, AND, AND WITH WHAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT, WHAT WE CAN SAY, BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW THAT IF AS AN ACCOUNTANT WE GOTTA COME UP WITH IT SOMEHOW, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY SAY, WELL, YOU NEVER OWN YOUR PIECE OF PRO, YOU NEVER OWN YOUR LAND, BUT IT'S OKAY TO MAKE PAY. WELL, I DON'T, I'M KIND OF HAVING A HARD TIME. MAYBE YOU GUYS CAN EXPLAIN THIS, BUT IF YOU LIVE IN AN HOA, IT'S OKAY TO PAY THE HOA FEE. GOOD POINT. TO MAINTAIN IT. BUT YOU'RE NOT, BUT IT'S NOT OKAY TO PAY PROPERTY TAXES TO MAINTAIN YOUR ROADS TO THE POLICE AND FIRE. MAYBE YOU GUYS CAN EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE, BUT I'M HAVING A HARD TIME AS AN ACCOUNTANT TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT. THAT, YOU KNOW WHAT, THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE BEST ANALOGIES. I THINK I'VE HEARD HONESTLY, ON YOUR HOA UM, I THINK IT'S MORE POLITICAL. UH, I DO LIKE WHAT I'VE HEARD LATELY ABOUT JUST LIKE A THOUSAND DOLLARS GOING TOWARD, YOU KNOW, UH, HOMESTEADED. HOMESTEADED. SO THEY WOULD, THE STATE WOULD SEND YOU A THOUSAND DOLLARS TO APPLY THAT, AND THAT WOULD REALLY BENEFIT, YOU KNOW, YOUR LOW, YOUR VETERANS, YOUR LOW INCOME. ANYBODY, VETERANS DON'T THE VETERANS, I'M SORRY, AS A DAV SECURE CHILD THAT BROUGHT UP IN DAV, THEY PAY $96. AM I 96 OR 101? I CAN'T REMEMBER IF THEY'RE A HUNDRED PERCENT DISABLED. WELL, YEAH, IT, THEY GET A A NO, YOU PAY, IT'S NOT A ZERO. YOU GOTTA PAY A LITTLE BIT FOR SOME. RIGHT. WELL, SOME, SOME THINGS, I'M SORRY I MISSED THE CONVERSATION. NO, IT'S GOOD. WE'RE MOVING OFF. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE'RE GOOD. MEAN, BUT THOSE ARE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT, SO YOU GOTTA BE CAREFUL WHEN YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE GONNA DO THIS AND DO THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY GETTING THOSE BENEFITS. RIGHT, RIGHT. AND I AGREE WITH YOU. WHAT I, WHAT I MEANT BY THAT, AND I HOPE IT I WASN'T OUT OF CONTEXT, IS THAT AT LEAST THE STATE MAYBE THINKING OF DOING SOMETHING ELSE BESIDES, I DON'T KNOW. BUT THOSE, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY WITH AN HOA AND THEN WHAT YOU'RE PAYING PROPERTY TAXES AND THEY SAY, WELL, IT'S SO EXPENSIVE, BUT LOOK AT OUR, THE BIG THING IS, I DON'T THINK IT'S THE PRO, IT'S THE PROPERTY TAXES, IT'S THE INSURANCE. THE HOMEOWNER'S INSURANCE IS SOMETIMES MORE WITH SOME OF OUR PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN HERE 10, LET'S SAY 15 YEARS NOW. UM, THERE'S THIS DOUBLE THEIR, WHAT THEIR PROPERTY TAXES ARE. YEAH. WELL, WELL THE THEORY IS THAT THEY WANNA BE ABLE TO OWN THE PROPERTY THAT THEY PURCHASED PERMANENTLY. BUT ONE THING THAT I'VE TALKED TO LEGISLATORS ABOUT THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR YOUR CONVERSATION IS THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE WANTED TO HAVE AN EXTRA SALES TAX FOR POLICE AND FIRE, WE ARE PROHIBITED FROM DOING THAT. CITY COUNTIES CAN DO THAT. CITIES CANNOT DO ANYTHING TO SUPPORT OUR POLICE AND FIRE THROUGH ANY SORT OF, AND SO IF WE WERE GIVEN THE ABILITY TO FIND WAYS WITHIN OUR OWN POWERS TO HELP FUND CERTAIN THINGS, I THINK THAT'D BE HELPFUL AS AN, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF THEY KEEP THE PROPERTY TAX, I THINK THAT'S HELPFUL FOR US TO DO OUR JOBS. I UNDERSTAND. BUT, BUT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT, WHEN YOU'VE DONE SALES TAX BEING THAT I, MY BACKGROUND, IT USED TO BE THAT THEY WOULD DO UP TO THE FIRST 5,000 FOR A CAR. SURE. YOU, YOU HAD TO PAY THEN AFTER THE 5,000, YOU DIDN'T PAY THAT EXTRA PENNY ON THE SALES TAX. I, YOU KNOW, I COULD GO WITH SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YEAH. OKAY. BUT I MEAN, SO YOU HAVE TO BE, BUT IF YOU WENT LIKE, HERE, LET'S SAY YOU'RE HERE AND IF YOU WENT OVER AND BOUGHT IN, IN INDIAN RIVER COUNTY, LET'S SAY THEY DIDN'T HAVE THAT EXTRA SALES TAX. SURE. THEN DO WE, HOW DO WE PUT, YOU KNOW, IS IT GONNA WORK WITH US? RIGHT. OH, I MEAN THAT'S A, THAT'S A STRATEGIES VERSUS TACTICS THING, BUT HAVING THE HOME RULE POWERS TO DO SO, I THINK GIVES US THAT ABILITY TO HELP OURSELVES WHEN THERE'S THESE THREATS TO OUR REVENUE FOR POLICE AND FIRE. BUT WE'RE GOING BACK TO SALES TAX AND WHO ARE WE? WHO DO WE BOTHER? I MEAN, GOING TO THE CHAIN. WELL, I DON'T THINK ANY TAX, I DON'T THINK WE CAN LE ANY TAX, BUT FOR ANY REASON, WELL, YOU HAVE TO. THAT'S NOT REALLY RIGHT. . BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT REALLY WE'RE HAVING IN THE CHAMBER EVENT, THAT WAS, THAT WAS JUST A MONTH OR TWO AGO, A MONTH AGO. THE GENTLEMAN THAT SPOKE WAS THE PRESIDENT OF THE FLORIDA CHAMBER, AND HE SAYS, WE'RE LOSING ALL 20 YEAR OLDS. 20 YEAR OLDS ARE THE LARGEST AMOUNT OF GROUP PEOPLE LEAVING AND THEY'RE LEAVING WITH THEIR CHILDREN. IF YOU LOOK AT IT, WE HAVE NOT BUILT, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF GROWTH, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE SCHOOL BUILT SCHOOLS BEING BUILT LIKE WE USED TO. RIGHT. SO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT. SO WHO ARE WE? WHO ARE WE PENALIZING? WE PENALIZE THE YOUNG FAMILIES THAT THAT'S WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU HAVE YOUNG FAMILIES, THAT'S WHEN YOU BUY IN CLOTHES, SHOES, NEW FURNITURE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO, AND OUR ENROLLMENT IN THE SCHOOL BOARD IS GOING DOWN. I THINK SOME OF THAT, UM, IS DUE TO THE PRIVATE SCHOOLS AND THE MONEY THAT'S COMING [02:40:01] IN FOR THOSE PRIVATE SCHOOLS. THEY, THEY ARE GOING WAY I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT, BUT I AGREE WITH YOU THAT THE, BUT EVEN WITH THE, EVEN WITH THE OTHER SCHOOLS, THE CHARTER SCHOOLS, WE'RE NOT HAVING AS MANY CHARTER SCHOOLS AS WE DID 10 YEARS AGO. YEAH. RIGHT. WELL, I MEAN, MAYBE AT THE DIP, I DON'T KNOW. YOU'RE, YOU WOULD KNOW MAYBE AT THE DIP OR WHATEVER. WE, WE WILL SEE THERE ARE DIFFERENT KINDS OF SCHOOLS POPPING UP. YEAH. UM, BUT I, I THINK THAT A BIG THING FOR YOU TO BRING TO THAT MEETING IS NOT JUST IDEAS FOR HOW TO FIX IT OR ALTERNATIVES, BUT WHAT THE ACTUAL IMPACT IS. OH. SO WITH HARD NUMBERS, LIKE IN OUR BUDGET, THIS IS HOW MUCH WE GET FOR TAXES. THIS IS HOW, WHAT WE DO WITH THAT MONEY. IF WE DON'T DO THE TAXES, THIS IS HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COME DOWN. NOW WHERE ARE WE GONNA GET THE MONEY? BECAUSE WE'RE LIKE 55. I THINK WE'VE LOOKED AT IT, IT'S 55% OF OUR BUDGET GOES FOR POLICE AND FIRE. YEAH. THAT'S, THAT'S 50, I WANNA SAY 50 CLOSE IN THAT BALLPARK. GIVE, GIVE OR TAKE. SO WHERE WE, SO WE GOT 45%. OKAY. WHERE WE GONNA COME UP WITH THAT? RIGHT. UH, IF, IF THAT'S NOT YOU GO AHEAD MA'AM. DONE ME NOW. OKAY. UM, SO I WAS AT THE, UH, POLICE COMMUNITY RELATIONS COUNCIL. I THINK THAT'S HOW, WHAT IT'S CALLED AS WELL. UM, AND IT IS, I TRY TO GET THERE EVERY SINGLE YEAR. IT IS A TIME WHERE OUR RESIDENTS CAN COME KIND OF LIKE A TOWN HALL. ALL OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICER THERE, FDLE IS THERE. UM, A LOT OF, UH, LEADERS IN OUR COMMUNITY ARE THERE. SO IT'S THE TIME TO ASK YOUR QUESTIONS. UM, SO I THINK THEY DO THAT ONCE A YEAR, LIKE EVERY YEAR. UH, SO IF ANYBODY HAS THE OPPORTUNITY IN THE FUTURE TO DO THAT, UM, THAT'S GREAT. UH, I ALSO WENT TO THE NATIONAL VETERANS, UM, YEARLY EVENT, THE DINNER. UM, AND THAT'S GREAT. I LOVE THAT MISSING SOLDIER, UM, ROUTINE. IT IS JUST GREAT. UM, AND THEY DID, THEY DO A LOT OF GOOD FOR THE VETERANS IN THIS COUNTY. UM, SO I ALWAYS TRY TO SUPPORT THEM. UH, I ALSO WENT TO THE STATE OF THE CITIES, UM, WHICH, UH, MARCUS SMITH WAS THERE AS WELL. UM, WE WERE NOT REPRESENTED IN THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BUT MANY OF THE OTHER CITIES. IT WAS INTERESTING TO HEAR WHAT THEY WERE BRINGING TO THE TABLE AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE DOING. UM, SO I THOUGHT THAT WAS A GREAT EVENT AND THANK YOU FOR STAFF AND, UH, FELLOW COUNSEL FOR, UH, ATTENDING THAT LEAGUE OF CITIES MEETING LAST NIGHT. UM, WE DID HOST THE LEAGUE OF CITIES AND EVERY OCTOBER WE HOST IT. AND I KNOW A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT GOES INTO THAT, UM, ON BEHALF OF THE STAFF. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AWESOME. FOOD WAS GOOD, RIGHT? GOOD. MR. MAKE FOR FORGETTING TO COME TO THAT OTHER ONE? NO. UH, GREAT, GREAT LIST. UH, ALSO ATTENDED, UH, QUITE A FEW EVENTS. UH, I WAS GONNA SAY THE SAME THING. SPACE COAST LEAGUE OF CITIES LAST NIGHT WAS REALLY AWESOME. NATIONAL NIGHT OUT. UH, I REMEMBER MAYOR, I MET YOU A FEW YEARS BACK AT THE NATIONAL NIGHT OUT PLAYING BASKETBALL. YOU WASN'T THERE THIS TIME, BUT I KNOW YOU WILL MAYBE GET YOU NEXT YEAR. YOU GET BACK OUT THERE ON THE COURT AFTER NEXT YEAR. SO YOU KICKED YOUR EYES AGAIN. HEY, I'M SORRY THAT'S ON PUBLIC RECORD, MAN. I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT. IS VICTORIA, YOU AND I ARE UNDEFEATED TOGETHER. THAT'S RIGHT. WE ARE. HEY, THAT'S ALL WANNA HEAR. THAT'S RIGHT. HEY, THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT. UM, I ALSO ATTENDED THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES, UH, EMO, UH, NUMBER ONE OVER IN TAMPA. UH, I DID NOT CHEER FOR THE BUCKS, BUT THE FALCONS DID WIN LAST NIGHT TOO. I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S WATCHING THAT DAY. , YEAH. YEAH. AND THE BIRDS AND THE BEARS AND THE BEARS. UM, BUT I, I DO HAVE TWO, TWO OTHER THINGS, UH, THAT I WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP IF I HAVE A QUICK MOMENT. MAYOR, UH, BACK IN FEBRUARY OF 2025, I BROUGHT UP UNDER CITY COUNCIL POLICY NUMBER 36. I ASKED, AND I I FORGOT TO BRING IT UP DURING THE BUDGET ABOUT ADDING ADDITIONAL ORGANIZATIONS, UH, TO BE PART OF OUR, UH, PUBLIC GOOD, PUBLIC PURPOSE OR PUBLIC GOOD FOR, FOR FUNDING. UM, AND I DON'T KNOW, I, I GUESS I WOULD LIKE TO ASK FOR, UH, EITHER APPROVAL OR CONSENSUS, UH, WHATEVER THE TERM MAY BE, TO SEE WHAT IT WOULD TAKE FOR US TO LOOK AT ADDING THOSE ADDITIONAL ORGANIZATIONS. UH, I DID NOT BRING IT UP DURING THE BUDGET DISCUSSION AS ORIGINALLY, UH, TALKED ABOUT AT THE NEXT FEBRUARY 25TH MEETING. UH, BUT, UH, THE, THE CITY CLERK, HE DID SEND ME AN EMAIL AND AT THAT TIME, THE PROPOSED AMOUNT, UH, WOULD'VE BEEN ABOUT, I THINK ABOUT $15,000. UH, BUT I THINK THAT LISTENING TO THE NUMBER OF DIFFERENT EVENTS THAT WE ATTEND, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF PUBLIC GOOD AND GOODWILL THAT COMES OUT, UH, FROM ATTENDING THESE EVENTS AND THOSE FOUR ORGANIZATIONS. AGAIN, MAYOR, IF I PLEASE, UH, UM, AT THE TIME, I, I DID NOT HAVE, BUT SIV MILL IS ANOTHER ONE, UH, THAT I THINK WE CAN GET A LOT OF GOOD OUT OF ATTENDING THAT. THE PALM BAY CHAMBER, THEY JUST BROUGHT IN A NEW, UH, PRESIDENT NOW THAT NANCY, UH, SHE'S TRANSITIONED OFF AND SHE WAS AT THE, UH, LEAGUE OF CITIES LAST NIGHT. SO WE SEE THERE'S A LOT OF OVERLAP WITH, UH, PALM BAY AND MELBOURNE. UH, WE VENTURE, UH, FLORIDA TECH. THEY'VE HAD SOME MEETINGS WITH OUR STAFF AND THERE'S SOME THINGS IN IT RIGHT HERE IN OUR BACKYARD. AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COLLEGE TOWN. SO I THINK THAT HAVING THAT, WORKING ON THAT RELATIONSHIP, AND THEN I JUST RECEIVED THE EMAIL FROM LEE BBAR TODAY, UH, AND I'M GONNA SEND IT OVER TO [02:45:01] THE, TO CITY STAFF WHERE THEY WANT TO SORT OF PARTNERSHIP WITH US FOR ONE OF THEIR WORKSHOPS TO DO SORT OF A CITY PLANNING SCENARIO WITH THE LEAD OF OUR STUDENTS THAT ARE IN THERE. SO, SO I BRING THAT UP BECAUSE THESE ARE ALL ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE REALLY COULD HAVE GOOD WORKING RELATIONSHIPS WITH. AND, UH, AS MELBOURNE, UH, WE CONTINUE, UH, MELBOURNE LEADING THE WAY, UH, AND, AND BEING THAT BEACON AMONGST OTHER CITIES. YEAH, YOU COULD BE PALM BAY PROUD AND ALL THAT, BUT MELBOURNE, WE NEED, WE, WE WANT TO LEAD THE WAY. I I, MY PROPOSAL, UH, AGAIN, I'M, I'M BRINGING IT UP. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS PROPER, WHAT THE PROPER FORMAT IS. RIGHT. BUT, UH, UH, I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT AND, AND WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION. OKAY, MA'AM. THAT, SIR, I WOULD DEFINITELY VOTE AGAINST PALM BAY BECAUSE THEY ARE COMMITTED TO PALM BAY AND THEY'RE NOT COMMITTED TO MELBOURNE. BUT A LOT OF THE BUSINESSES ARE MELBOURNE. I GET IT, MARCUS. I REALLY DO. BUT THEY'RE NOT COMMITTED TO MELBOURNE. THEY ARE COMMITTED TO, UH, PALM BAY AS IS MELBOURNE. UH, UH, REGIONAL CHAMBER IS COMMITTED TO US AND THEY'RE ON OUR AIRPORT PROPERTY AND THEY, AND THEY FIGHT AND, AND, AND CHALLENGE US ALL THE TIME. I THINK THAT PALM BAY IS JUST TOO FAR DOWN. UM, I DON'T THINK WE GET A LOT OF VALUE OUTTA THAT. AND THIS IS JUST MY OPINION. YOU COULD HAVE SIX OTHERS TO SAY. ABSOLUTELY. LET'S GO FOR IT. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS AGAIN, IF YOU'RE QUESTIONING THE OTHER, ALL THESE FOUR ORGANIZATIONS YEAH, BRING IT BACK SO I CAN SEE. SO ANOTHER PERSON, JUST WRITE IT OUT AGAIN IN BLACK AND WHITE. YEAH, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW MY KNEE JERK IS NOW PALM BAY. SO, SO, SO A POINT FOR PALM BAY, THEY'RE HAVING THEIR MONTHLY LUNCHEONS AT THE ZY SHRINE ON THE CORNER OF OGA AND APOLLO GOOD FOR THEM. I MEAN, AND, AND IF I GET A LIST OF PERCENTAGES OF THE BUSINESS, I THINK YOU'LL PROBABLY BE SURPRISED THE AMOUNT OF A PERCENTAGE THAT IS, I MEAN, IT'S IN THEIR NAME FOR NOW. NO, THERE IS A, JUST LIKE ACCELERATE, USED TO BE COCOA BEACH CHAMBER. I'M GONNA SAY SOMETHING. OKAY, MAYOR, I'LL BRING IT BACK. HOLD UP, HOLD UP. IT WAS MELBOURNE. HOLD UP. HOLD ON, HOLD ON, HOLD ON, HOLD ON. YOU WRAP UP AND THEN NO, I'M, I'M, I'M, I'M DONE. I'LL BRING IT BACK. HE, HE MAKES A POINT. SO I'LL BRING IT BACK AND, AND THAT WAY WE CAN ACTUALLY READ IT, UH, MAYBE AS AN AGENDA ITEM AGAIN, AND I COULD DO A PRESENTATION ON IT AND MAYBE HAVE THEM, MAYOR. IT'S, IT'S ADDED VALUE TO US. OF COURSE. AND SO LET'S HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AGAIN JUST IN YOUR, WHEN YOU BRING IT BACK TO US, MAYBE SOME BULLET POINTS ON WHAT GOOD THEY DO FOR MELBOURNE. LIKE WHAT IS THEIR SIGNIFICANCE IN THIS CITY? YEAH. WHAT'S THE ACTUAL, BEFORE WE DO FOR THEM, MEASUREMENT OF RESULTS AS OPPOSED TO JUST GOODWILL IN A SENSE THAT, THAT'S FINE. THAT'S FAIR. THAT'S FINE. UH, THANK, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT, UH, COUNCIL, UH, FOLKS, AND I'LL, I'LL BRING IT BACK. UH, THE ANOTHER POINT, UH, AND ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT WITH DAV, UH, ONE OF THE, UH, ORGANIZATIONS I DID ATTEND WAS THE BREVARD FEDERATED REPUBLICAN WOMEN HAD A GOOD CONVERSATION WITH THEM, UH, AND TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THEY DO WITH THE LIBERTY, UH, MUSEUM. SO, UH, AGAIN, UH, JUST ASKING COUNCIL, IN MY MIND, I'M, I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS SINCE OUR LAST MEETING WITH HICKORY AND WITH THE, UH, UH, THE VETERANS MEMORIAL PARK BEING RIGHT THERE, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK, UH, POTENTIAL PROPOSAL TO RENAME HICKORY INTO PATRIOT WAY AND LOOK AT MAYBE DOING SOME THINGS RIGHT THERE WITH OUR VETERANS MEMORIAL. MY, MY TROOP WHO WAS HERE, UH, SHE TALKED ABOUT THE, WHEN I WAS THE MISSION SUPPORT GROUP COMMANDER, AND I LOST THOSE GUYS. UH, SIX GUYS WENT DOWN IN A HELICOPTER WHILE I WAS, UH, JUST RETURNED BACK FROM, UH, IRAQ FOR MY SECOND DEPLOYMENT. YOU KNOW, UH, IT'S A PART OF THE RESCUE WING. THERE'S A LOT OF GUYS, COBAR TOWERS. I USED TO DO A COBAR TOWERS MEMORIAL EVERY YEAR. GOOD FRIEND OF MINE, DARRYL HANK IS A THREE F RESCUE SQUADRON. SO, UH, AND I'VE JUST BEEN DRIVING AROUND THE VETERANS MEMORIAL AND THE LIBERTY, UH, UH, BELL MUSEUM THERE. AND I REALLY THINK THAT, UH, WE COULD DO SOME THINGS WITH THE VETERANS PARK. AND I THINK THAT LITTLE STRIP RIGHT THERE WITH HICKORY, UH, POTENTIALLY RENAMING THAT PATRIOT WAY WOULD JUST GO A LONG WAY OF DOING SOME THINGS. SO MAYOR, BACK, MAYOR, LOOK BACK FOR DISCUSSION. OKAY, MAYOR. WELL, BUT ON THAT SPECIFIC POINT THOUGH, SO, I MEAN, FIRST OF ALL, UH, ALL SIX OF THOSE FOLKS WOULD REALLY LOVE A NAME FIRST STREET TOO. BUT THAT BEING SAID, I RECALL, I THINK JENNY WAS JANUARY OR FEBRUARY, I HAD ASKED IF STAFF COULD HELP US DO HONORARY STREET NAMES TO HELP GET US OUT OF THIS QUAGMIRE WITH A LOT OF THESE STREETS, BECAUSE WE'RE STARTING TO RENAME STUFF THAT IMPACTS BUSINESSES. AND INSTEAD YOU COULD PUT LIKE A LITTLE, UH, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BRONZE ONE ABOVE THE STREET. IT'S HONORARY PATRIOT WAY, HONORARY WHATEVER WAY. AND IT DOESN'T DO THOSE BIG IMPACTS THAT IT WOULD AND WOULD ALLOW US TO HELP RECOGNIZE FOLKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IT, IT, IT STREAMLINED THE PROCESS. AND I THINK THAT WE'VE LEARNED FROM OUR LAST MEETING THAT OBVIOUSLY THAT THERE BECOMES ISSUES WHEN IT'S NOT AS STREAMLINED OR IT BECOMES MORE CUMBERSOME. UH, IS THERE STILL MOVEMENT ON THAT? YES, THERE IS MOVEMENT. YEAH. I WANT TO SAY IT IS ON THE OCTOBER 28TH MEETING, BUT I, I, LET'S JUST SAY IT WILL BE ON, BUT EITHER THE OCTOBER 28TH OR THE NOVEMBER 13TH. OKAY. SO, SO MARCUS, WOULD YOU BE OKAY IF IT WAS HONORLY NAME INSTEAD OF FULL? OKAY. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. OKAY, SO WE'RE, LET'S TALK ABOUT IT ON THE 28TH. YEAH. . YEAH. AND, UH, AND, AND MAYOR, THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S IT. THOSE ARE MY FINAL POINTS. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. UH, AND YOU'RE DONE, UH, WENT TO THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES, UH, MEETING LAST NIGHT. THANK YOU FOR EVERYBODY WHO'S [02:50:01] ON THAT BOARD AND THE PRESIDENT OF THAT BOARD, UH, FOR PULLING WELL, WHATEVER. YOU'RE ALWAYS THE PRESIDENT, YOU'RE ALWAYS PRESIDENT TO ME, BUT DON'T WE? YEAH. UM, GREAT JOB. UH, GOOD FOOD AND, UM, GOOD CONVERSATION. YEAH. AND I APPRECIATE IT. I DID THAT COLLECTIVE THIS OF CITY MINES COMING TOGETHER OR NOT, YOU KNOW, AND, AND DEBATING OR NOT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF STUFF. IT WAS, IT WAS FUN. I HAD A GOOD TIME LAST NIGHT. OKAY. SO OTHER THAN THAT, I'VE BEEN ON FAMILY DUTY ALL PAST TWO WEEKS, SO. RIGHT. ALRIGHT, YOU, YEP. I GOT, UH, JUST TWO THINGS. I'M HOPE, UH, HOPING TO GET ACTION ON ONE. I'D LIKE TO. SO SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES HAVE CODE OF CONDUCTS FOR THEIR VOLUNTEER BOARDS, UH, FOR THE MEMBERS THAT ARE ON THEM. WE DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I WAS HOPING THAT I COULD BRING BACK SOME, UH, A SAMPLE CODE OF CONDUCT THAT I WRITE WITH, I'LL BRING, YOU KNOW, TO STAFF TO LOOK AT. AND IF YOU GUYS APPROVE, WE COULD ADOPT THAT SO THAT OUR BOARD MEMBERS HAVE SOMETHING TO FOLLOW. LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH SLANDEROUS THINGS ONLINE OR HATEFUL THINGS ONLINE OR CAUGHT WITH A DUI OR THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SO WE HAVE MORE OF A CODE OF CONDUCT OF HOW FOLKS THAT ARE REPRESENTING THE CITY OF MELBOURNE ARE, YOU KNOW, REPRESENTING THE CITY OF MELBOURNE. WOULD I BE ABLE TO BRING SOMETHING LIKE THAT BACK FOR DISCUSSION? I MEAN, I MEAN, YOU CAN. I I WOULD SAY REMEMBER THEY ARE VOLUNTEERS. OH, SURE. AND, AND, AND NUMBER TWO, THEY, UH, I THINK WE'RE SOMETIMES HARD GETTING THEM, BUT I, I THINK THERE SHOULD BE SOME KIND OF CODE. I I, YEAH. I MEAN, OKAY. SO I I I'M, I MEAN I THINK A MINIMUM THRESHOLD OF A DUI NOT GETTING ONE WHILE YOU'RE SERVING IT, DO WE HAVE A CODE OF CONTACT? WE DO NOT ABOUT, NO. I I MEAN I DIDN'T. IF YOU GUYS, I DON'T WANT TO, WE CAN. I'M HAPPY TO BRING US ONE. I'M ASKING QUESTION. I DON'T WANT TO FORCE, DO YOU WANT ME TO BRING BOTH? YOU WANT, YOU WANT START, YOU WANNA START FROM THE BOTTOM UP OR FURTHER TOP DOWN? WE'LL DO BOTH AT THE SAME TIME. YEAH. WHAT'S GOOD FOR THE GOOSE IS GOOD FOR THE GA NOT GONNA WORK. NAH, I DON'T DO YOU WANT ONE FOR THE TOP? I'LL GO FOR IT THOUGH. I BRING IT BACK. BRING IT BACK IT. WELL, NO, I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE YOU WANT. . I'M CONFUSED NOW. WHATEVER YOU WANT, BRING IT BACK. OKAY. TALK ABOUT IT. I, I THINK THE BEST THING DIE IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING, BRING IT. IS EVERYONE ELSE FEEL OKAY WITH SOMETHING LIKE THAT BEFORE I EVEN GO FORWARD WITH THE EFFORT? WHAT, WHAT DO THEY CURRENTLY HAVE WRITTEN UP? I MEAN, I'M JUST THINKING LIKE WE, WE JUST, WE HAD SOMETHING AT THE TPO MEETING AND, AND THERE WAS SOMEBODY BEING NOMINATED FOR SOMETHING AND THEY'VE HAD SOME DUIS AND YES, IT IS A AND I BROUGHT IT UP AND EVERYBODY GOES, WELL EVERYBODY GETS A SECOND CHANCE. SO, YOU KNOW, WHERE DO YOU WANT TO GO WITH THAT? WELL, I MEAN, SOMEONE DIDN'T GET ONE TODAY JUST 'CAUSE OF THAT. SO I THINK THAT HELPS US. WE ALREADY HAVE APPARENTLY AN INFORMAL ONE. I THINK IT ACTUALLY MAKES IT MORE FORMAL. I HAD THIS BEFORE YOU EVEN BROUGHT THAT UP WITH MR. BENNINGER, BUT IN GENERAL, WE APPARENTLY ALREADY HAVE AN, AN UNDERSTANDING OF A CODE OF CONDUCT THAT THIS BOARD HAS DECIDED ON, WHICH IS YOU SHOULDN'T THREATEN PEOPLE LIKE POLICE OFFICERS OR WHATEVER. THAT WAS . SO. FAIR ENOUGH. YEAH. UM, BUT, UM, OKAY. SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE ALL GENERALLY THAT'S OKAY. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE BEFORE I GO THROUGH THE EFFORTS, I DON'T WANNA BRING UP SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE SHUT DOWN. UM, SECONDLY, I DON'T KNOW, UM, THIS ONE, PARTICULARLY THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS COMMUNITY IS A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT YOU. SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF I WANTED TO GO AND SHUT DOWN THE MAIN STREET FOR AN EVENT OF A HUNDRED OR SOMETHING ODD PEOPLE, THERE'S NO ACTUAL MINIMUM THRESHOLD ON IT. AND THERE'S BEEN RECENT EVENTS LATELY WHERE THEY'RE LOSING BUSINESS BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN'T PARK AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. I WAS WONDERING OBVIOUSLY WITH THE, YOU KNOW, CARVING OUT A PARADE AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, WHICH ARE TEMPORARILY FOR 30 MINUTES ON THAT STREET, IF WE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT, I DON'T KNOW, THE PROCESS ON IT. THAT'S KIND OF WHY I'M BRINGING THIS UP. IF WE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT MAKING FOR IT'S MORE LARGER SCALE EVENTS TO SHUT DOWN THAT STREET SO THAT IT DOESN'T IMPACT SOME OF THE BUSINESSES ON THEIR FRIDAY, SATURDAY, SUNDAYS. UM, YEAH. AND YEAH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT A BAD IDEA 'CAUSE YOU HAVE SOME EVENTS COMING IN. THERE'S VER AND I'M SURPRISED HOW THEY COULD EVEN PAY THE BILLS. RIGHT? YEAH, NO, THERE'S SOME OF THE, ONE OF 'EM THAT WAS VERY STRUGGLING WAS VERY UPSET WITH ME AND I KNOW THE, THE EVENT WAS TAKING PLACE. UM, AND WE'RE, WE'RE, I'M GETTING MORE AWARE OF SOME OF THEM THAT ARE HAPPENING, BUT I DO THINK THAT IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR US TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT AT LEAST DOESN'T IMPACT THOSE BUSINESSES. AND I THINK THAT IS GONNA REALLY, UH, PIGGYBACK ON SOME OF THE STUFF THAT I'M GONNA BRING TO JENNY OVER THE NEXT WEEK OR SO. OH, GREAT. SPECIAL ACTIVITY PERMITS. OH GREAT. YEAH. AND HOW THEY'RE, UH, THEY'RE SET UP AND HOW THEY CAN BE USED AND WHAT THEY'RE, UM, UH, ESTABLISHED FOR. SO I'M GETTING A LOT OF PUSHBACK FROM NOW DOWNTOWN ALI. SURE. OH. BECAUSE OF THE DIFFERENT CHALLENGES THAT THEY HAVE DOWN THERE. SURE. DO WE HAVE TO DO THIS BECAUSE WE'RE ONLY SHUTTING OFF THE PARKING LOT FOR SIX HOURS. RIGHT, RIGHT. THAT KIND OF THING. RIGHT. SO, AND WE ONLY GET EIGHT OF THOSE A YEAR OR WHATEVER. I'M, I'M JUST, YOU KNOW MM-HMM . SO I THINK IT'D BE GOOD. SO JENNY OR ADAM, WHAT WOULD BE THE PROCESS FOR THAT? 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS HAVE GONE THROUGH THIS A COUPLE YEARS AGO AND I'M NOT TRYING TO REINVENT THE WHEEL. I WAS HOPING TO MAKE THAT LITTLE ADDITION IN THERE FOR CERTAIN SPECIFICALLY DOWNTOWN AND MAYBE ALI I WON'T MR. LARUSSO WOULD LIKE YEAH, I MEAN CITYWIDE THOUGH. OH, WELL, CITY. WELL, YEAH. UM, WE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN POSSIBLY, I MEAN I JUST WANNA GIVE HER THE BLOCK PARTY, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE, BUT UM, ANYWAY, SIR, I GUESS IT WOULD BE A, A DISCUSSION ITEM TO, TO BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT COUNCIL'S LOOKING FOR. I, I WILL, I WILL CAUTION THAT THERE ARE FIRST AMENDMENT CONSIDERATIONS WITHIN OUR SPECIAL ACTIVITY CODE. AND SO CERTAIN ITEMS LIKE [02:55:01] LIMITING THE OVERALL NUMBER OF STREET CLOSURES PER YEAR OR SO ON AND SO FORTH ARE, ARE GONNA BE THINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUT SOME MORE RESEARCH AND, AND LEGWORK INTO 'CAUSE. BUT SO SIZE FOR CLOSING DOWN A MAIN THOROUGHFARE ISN'T, IS THAT'S A FIRST AMENDMENT PROTECTION. WELL, AND, AND THAT I THINK GOES TO SOMETHING THAT THE CLERK'S OFFICE HAS TRIED TO WORK ON PREVIOUSLY OF HAVING A VERY CLEAR LIKE, TEMPLATE. THIS IS, THIS IS THE, THE FOOTPRINT THAT YOU CAN UTILIZE SO THAT NOT EVERY EVENT IS A ONE OFF OF REVIEW FOR TRAFFIC ENGINEERING. UM, SO, SO ON AND SO FORTH. UM, AND SO AGAIN, IT, IT'S NOT A NO, IT'S JUST A, I CAN'T, I CAN'T IMMEDIATELY SAY YES TO EVERYTHING 'CAUSE I'LL WANT TO BE ABLE TO RESEARCH, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE NOT RUNNING A FOUL OF, OF CONSTITUTIONAL CONSIDERATIONS. JENNY. OKAY. YEAH. WHAT I'LL DO IS IN THE NEXT DAY OR SO I WILL, UH, BECAUSE I, I THINK THE SPECIAL ACTIVITY PERMITS THAT WAS WHAT, OVER A YEAR AGO, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, KEVIN, DO YOU KNOW WHEN THAT WAS? TWO YEARS AGO. SO WHAT I'LL DO IS I'LL SEND OUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE LAST AGENDA PACKAGE WITH THE MINUTES AND SO FORTH SO THAT COUNCIL CAN SEE THAT PRIOR TO A DISCUSSION ITEM, IF THAT'S WHERE WE WANNA HEAD IS A DISCUSSION ITEM. JUST SO WE CAN GET A CONSENSUS OF WHERE WE ARE ON WHAT, WHAT COUNCIL'S SEEING THEY WANT THE CHANGES TO BE. AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN SCHEDULE HERE FOR, UM, THE NEXT COUPLE MEETINGS. SO, SO LIKE THERE'LL BE A DISCUSSION ITEM THEN FOR CERTAIN, IN THE MEANTIME THOUGH, I'M GONNA BRING IN A COUPLE OF PRINCIPALS FROM OH YEAH, LET'S DO THE WHOLE YEAH. FOLKS IN DOWNTOWN ALI THAT ARE, THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, AND THEIR IDEA YEAH. OF THEIR THOUGHTS. MM-HMM. SO THAT WE GET A COLLECTIVE OH YEAH. OF THE COMMUNITY. I THINK THAT'S GREAT. JUST THAT NOT JUST SITTING UP HERE ON THE BOARD AND YEAH. MAKING THE DECISIONS. ABSOLUTELY. NO, I'M ALL ABOUT IT. LET'S DO IT. ALRIGHT, SOUNDS GOOD TO ME. THEN LAST ME REAL QUICK, I'D MAKE A VERY, VERY QUICK, I JUST, UH, GOT THIS REALLY VERY HONORED TO GO TO A BIRTHDAY, 101 YEAR OLD, OLD SON BIRTHDAY OF A, HAVE A MARINE CORPS VETERAN THAT'S HERE IN MELBOURNE. AND, AND, UH, HE'S VERY UPBEAT. I TELL YOU, AND I, I WILL TELL YOU WHAT WAS VERY HONORING AND AND HUMBLE FOR ME WAS, AND I'VE BEEN TO QUITE A FEW OF 'EM, WAS NOT ONLY, YOU KNOW, BEING A PRIOR, WELL NEVER A PRIOR MARINE, BUT HE'S A MARINE, BUT HAVING, YOU KNOW, THE MARINE, UH, HIS FRIENDS COME, HIS FAMILY, THERE MUST HAVE BEEN 20 FAMILY MEMBERS AND A GENTLEMAN'S 101 YEARS OLD LAUGHING WITH HIS, WITH HIS GREAT GRANDCHILDREN EATING CAKE. AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS SO, SO AMAZING TO SEE THIS. AND, YOU KNOW, HE WAS UPBEAT AND, AND IT WAS INCREDIBLE. AND JUST WE, WE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF BRING BACK TO UNDERSTAND, LISTEN LIFE SHORT, AND WE HAVE TO REALLY FOCUS ON WHAT REALLY IS IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, ABOUT SERVICE IN THE COMMUNITY AND, AND LOVING ONE ANOTHER. AND, AND, UH, SO I, I, I THINK IT WAS, TO ME IT'S VERY HUMBLING AND, YOU KNOW, NOT, I, I, I HOPE THAT IT, I LIVE TO 1 0 1 AND YOU KNOW, AND THE FAMILIES BY MY SIDE SIDE AND YOU'RE STILL HERE AND, AND BUY MY SIDE. WELL, YOU'LL STILL BE ON HERE. IT DOESN'T MATTER, . AND, UH, BUT THAT, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. AND I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND ADJOURN THE MEETING AT NINE 30. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT EVERYONE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.