Dec 09, 2025 City Council

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TOO MANY BLUE MEMORIES. NO. GO AHEAD. GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO THE DECEMBER 9TH, 2025 REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING. BEFORE WE BEGIN THE MEETING, LET ME REVIEW THE PROCEDURES FOR THE MEETING. IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK, COMPLETE A REQUEST TO SPEAK FORM LOCATED AT THE ENTRANCE TO THE COUNCIL CHAMBER AND SUBMIT THE FORM TO THE SERGEANT AT ARMS. WHEN YOUR NAME HAS BEEN CALLED, USE THE MICROPHONE AT THE LECTERN ON THE AUDIENCE'S RIGHT AND EITHER STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, OR YOUR NAME AND CITY. SPEAK TO THE CITY COUNCIL. THE BODY. DO NOT ADDRESS THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS INDIVIDUALLY. BE MINDFUL THAT TIME AROUND THE LECTERN AND WRAP UP YOUR COMMENTS BEFORE YOUR SPEAKING TIME ENDS. THE TIME LIMITS ARE POSTED ON THE REQUEST TO SPEAK FORMS AND APPLICANT, REPRESENTATIVE OR PERSON WHO HAS LEGAL STANDING TO SUPPORT OR OPPOSE A QUASI JUDICIAL MATTER WILL BE PERMITTED ENOUGH TIME, AS WILL BE DETERMINED BY THE CITY COUNCIL, TO CREATE A RECORD FOR THE CITY COUNCIL.

ANY PERSON PERSON WHO MAKES A PERSONAL, IMPERTINENT, SLANDEROUS REMARKS OR BECOMES BOISTEROUS OR DISRESPECTFUL WHILE ADDRESSING THE CITY COUNCIL WILL BE ORDERED TO

[A.1. Invocation - Pastor Lucas Almeida, Central Baptist Church]

I THANK YOU FOR THEIR WILLINGNESS TO SERVE AND FOR THE SACRIFICES THEIR OFFICE REQUIRES. I ASK THAT YOU WOULD GRANT THEM DISCERNMENT AS THEY WADE COMPLEX MATTERS, HUMILITY AS THEY LISTEN TO ONE ANOTHER, AND COURAGE TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT AND JUST. MAY THEIR DECISIONS PROMOTE THE WELL-BEING OF EVERY RESIDENT OF THIS CITY, LORD, WHETHER THEY ACKNOWLEDGE THE LORDSHIP OF CHRIST OR NOT. YOUR WORD DECLARES THAT NO AUTHORITY EXISTS APART FROM WHAT YOU HAVE GRANTED. I PRAY THAT THEY WOULD BE MINDFUL OF THIS REALITY THAT ALL POWER IS ENTRUSTED, NEVER OWNED, AND ALL OF US, FROM THE GREATEST TO THE LEAST. IF WE EXERCISE ANY AUTHORITY ON EARTH, OUR MERE STEWARDS OF AN AUTHORITY THAT IS NATIVE TO YOU AND NOT OURSELVES. FATHER, WE ARE THANKFUL THAT WE DON'T JUST LEARN ABOUT AUTHORITY IN YOUR WORD, BUT PERFECT AUTHORITY IS DEMONSTRATED TO US IN THE PERSON OF YOUR SON. IN CHRIST WE SEE THE PERFECT MODEL OF LEADERSHIP, NOT SELF-SEEKING BUT SELF-GIVING, NOT DOMINEERING, BUT SERVING.

THROUGH HIS DEATH, HE BROUGHT LIFE THROUGH HIS SACRIFICE. HE BORE THE PUNISHMENT NOT OF HIS OWN SIN, BUT OF ALL WHO WOULD TRUST IN HIM. AND THROUGH HIS RESURRECTION, DEATH ITSELF WAS DEFEATED, SO THAT ALL WHO COME TO HIM MIGHT LIVE. FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR A FAITH THAT LEADS TO HUMAN FLOURISHING. I PRAY THAT THIS COMMISSION WOULD REFLECT THE SAME CONCERN, THAT THEY WOULD UPHOLD THE DIGNITY OF EVERY PERSON, THE DIGNITY OR SANCTITY OF LIFE, FROM WOMB TO TOMB, PRESERVE THE FREEDOM OF CONSCIENCE AND WORSHIP, AND SEEK THE WELFARE OF THE POOR, THE WIDOWS AND THE ORPHANS IN OUR MIDST. AND LORD, I PRAY NOT ONLY FOR THIS CITY, BUT ALSO FOR OUR NATION. AT TIMES WE, THE UNITED ASPECT OF THE UNITED STATES, SEEM SO FRAIL. WE GRIEVE THIS. WE LONG TO SEE OUR NATION UNDER GOD. WE BELIEVE THIS IS POSSIBLE. FATHER, IT IS UNDENIABLE THAT THIS NATION WAS FOUNDED UNDER PRINCIPLES DRAWN FROM YOUR WORD. BUT WE HAVE REMOVED OURSELVES FROM CHRISTIAN MORALITY TO A DEGREE THAT OUR ORIGINS ARE OFTEN UNRECOGNIZABLE. FATHER, WE KNOW THAT WE WILL NOT TRULY PROSPER UNTIL WE TURN AGAIN TO CHRIST.

WE ASK THAT THROUGH CHRIST YOU WOULD HEAR OUR WILL, HEAL OUR DIVISIONS, RESTORE CIVILITY AMONG OUR PEOPLE, AND GRANT THAT RIGHT, AND GRANT THAT RIGHTEOUSNESS, RATHER THAN PRIDE OR POWER, WOULD EXALT THIS NATION. FATHER, MAY THE CITY OF MELBOURNE BE KNOWN AS A PLACE WHERE THE RIGHTS FIRST ENDOWED TO US BY OUR CREATOR ARE HONORED, PROTECTED AND PROMOTED? LET IT BE A PLACE WHERE JUSTICE IS DONE, MERCY IS SHOWN, AND YOUR TRUTH IS NOT SILENCED. AND MAY EVERY PERSON HERE COME TO KNOW THAT THERE IS A GOD IN HEAVEN WHO LOVES HIS CREATION AND IS WILLING TO SAVE AND REDEEM ALL WHO WILL COME TO HIM THROUGH JESUS CHRIST. I PRAY THESE THINGS IN THE NAME OF YOUR SON. AMEN. AMEN. THANK YOU. PASTOR. PLEASE JOIN US FOR

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[A.4. Proclamations and Presentations]

ANYBODY ELSE YOU WANT TO BRING UP? ABSOLUTELY. EVERY PERSON. THAT'S PART OF THE CONTINUUM OF CARE. YEAH, YEAH, QUITE A FEW FOR SURE. YOU WERE GOING TO HUG YOU. ARE YOU SURE? I MIGHT, I MIGHT. HALF THE ROOM. OKAY. QUITE A FEW. WELL YES THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S AMAZING GROUP WE HAVE HERE. OKAY. BETTER CALL YOU UP. OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO START OUT AT THE PROCLAMATION CITY OF MELBOURNE REGARDING NATIONAL HOMELESS PERSONS MEMORIAL DAY PROCLAMATION, CITY OF MELBOURNE. WHEREAS HOMELESSNESS HAS CAUSED OR HASTENED THE DEATHS OF INADEQUATELY HOUSED LOW INCOME PERSONS IN BREVARD COUNTY. AND WHEREAS THE SPIRIT OF THE HOLIDAY SEASON OF GIVING PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR AFFIRMATION AND RENEWAL REGARDING THE COMMITMENT TO END HOMELESSNESS. AND WHEREAS, DECEMBER 21ST, THE FIRST DAY OF WINTER AND THE LONGEST NIGHT OF THE YEAR, HAS BEEN DESIGNATED NATIONAL HOMELESS PERSONS MEMORIAL DAY BY THE NATIONAL COALITION FOR THE HOMELESS, AND WHEREAS, BREVARD CONTINUUM OF CARE COALITION HAS A WIDE RANGING REGIONAL BODY OF ORGANIZATIONS FROM ALL SECTORS AND COMMUNITY ADVOCATES AND WORKS EVERY DAY TO HELP PEOPLE SURVIVE, REBUILD THEIR LIVES AND IN HOMELESSNESS. AND WHEREAS IN THIS SEASON OF GENEROSITY AND SHARING, CITIZENS OF BREVARD COUNTY ARE ENCOURAGED TO COMMIT THEMSELVES TO PROMOTE COMPASSION AND CONCERN FOR OUR UNSHELTERED OR INADEQUATELY HOUSED NEIGHBORS, ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO ARE POOR AND HOMELESS. AND WHEREAS IN REMEMBERING THOSE WHO HAVE DIED ON OUR STREETS AND EMERGENCY SHELTERS AND IN CONDEMNED OR ABANDONED PROPERTIES FROM AILMENTS OR CONDITIONS DIRECTLY RELATING TO HOMELESSNESS, THE CAUSE OF ENDING HOMELESSNESS IS KEPT URGENT, AS IS THE COLLECTIVE COMMITMENT TO PREVENTING SUCH DEATHS IN THE FUTURE. NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT I, MAYOR, CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM THE 21ST DAY OF DECEMBER 2025 AS NATIONAL HOMELESS PERSONS MEMORIAL DAY AND THE CITY OF MELBOURNE EXPRESS OUR GRATITUDE TO THE STAFF AND ADMINISTRATORS OF THE CONTINUUM OF CARE COALITION FOR THEIR DEDICATED SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY. WITNESS MY HAND THE SEAL OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE THIS NINTH DAY OF DECEMBER 2025. SO IF YOU WOULD SAY A FEW WORDS, SIR. YES.

GOOD EVENING. MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, MY NAME IS JAMES SMITH, AND I'M THE COORDINATED ENTRY MANAGER FOR THE BREVARD HOMELESS COALITION. JOINING ME TODAY ARE SEVERAL MEMBERS FROM THE BREVARD HOMELESS COALITION, UNDER THE DIRECTION AND LEADERSHIP OF OUR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AND ALSO OTHER MEMBERS OF THE CONTINUUM OF CARE. THANK YOU AGAIN, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL, FOR RECOGNIZING DECEMBER 21ST AS NATIONAL HOMELESS PERSONS MEMORIAL DAY. WE ARE HERE TODAY WITH A SHARED PURPOSE TO REMEMBER THE LIVES LOST, ACKNOWLEDGE THE PROCESS, PROGRESS WE ARE MAKING AND BRING SOLUTIONS TO. WE CAN PURSUE TOGETHER BECAUSE THE TRUTH IS SIMPLE. NO ONE IN BREVARD COUNTY SHOULD DIE BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOWHERE SAFE TO SLEEP. THIS YEAR WE LOST 78 OF OUR NEIGHBORS, 78 MEN AND WOMEN WHO DIED WITHOUT A SAFE PLACE TO SLEEP. THAT'S 78 INDIVIDUALS ON THE STREETS IN MELBOURNE. NOT, I'M SORRY, IN BREVARD COUNTY, NOT STATISTICS, BUT ALSO MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY. OUR 2025 POINT TIME COUNT TELLS THE STORY OF BOTH CHALLENGE AND MEANINGFUL PROGRESS. PROGRESS THAT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN POSSIBLE WITHOUT YOUR LEADERSHIP AND YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT. THE 2025 DATA SHOWED UNSHELTERED HOMELESSNESS FELL BY 5% AND CHRONIC HOMELESS DECLINED BY 11%. EVEN WITH THESE DECREASES, WE STILL HAVE OVER 1000 HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS IN OUR COUNTY, AND BREVARD COUNTY STILL REMAINS IN THE TOP TEN COUNTIES IN FLORIDA FOR HOMELESS RESIDENTS. WE CANNOT ACCEPT THIS AS NORMAL, NOT WHEN WE HAVE COMPASSION, LEADERSHIP, AND TALENT TO CHANGE THIS STORY. WE ARE SEEING PROGRESS IN

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THESE SUCCESSES SHOW WHAT IS POSSIBLE WHEN NONPROFITS AND GOVERNMENT WORK SIDE BY SIDE.

THANK YOU AGAIN FOR MAKING THIS POSSIBLE. THROUGH OUR COLLABORATIVE WORK WITH BREVARD COUNTY JAIL, WE CONDUCTED OVER 300 SURVEYS AND FOUND THAT 57% OF INDIVIDUALS ENTERING THE BREVARD COUNTY JAIL REPORTED THEY WERE HOMELESS AT THE TIME OF BOOKING. THIS SHOWS SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT. OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT AND FIRST RESPONDERS ARE CARRYING AN INCREASINGLY HEAVY BURDEN AS THEY RESPOND TO THE RIPPLING EFFECTS OF HOMELESSNESS. AND HOUSE BILL 1365. MANY INDIVIDUALS ARE CYCLING BETWEEN THE STREETS AND THE JUSTICE SYSTEM BECAUSE THEY LACK A SAFE PLACE TO GO. WE ALL WANT THE SAME THING SAFER NEIGHBORHOODS, HEALTHIER RESIDENTS, AND BETTER OUTCOMES FOR EVERY PART OF THE CITY. WE KNOW THE LONG TERM SOLUTION IS SAFE, AFFORDABLE AND PERMANENT HOUSING, BUT WE ALSO NEED IMMEDIATE, PRACTICAL TOOLS TO PREVENT DEATHS FROM LIKE THIS YEAR. WITH THAT, OUR VISION IS CLEAR TO HAVE A HOUSED AND HEALTHY BREVARD BY MAKING HOMELESSNESS RARE, BRIEF AND NON-RECURRING. IN DECEMBER, WE WILL HOLD FOUR HOMELESS MEMORIAL SERVICES ACROSS THE COUNTY TO HONOR THE LIVES OF THOSE THAT WERE LOST. MANY OF THOSE. THIS WILL BE THE ONLY CEREMONY THEY HAVE IN THEIR NAME. SO FOR THAT, WE DO OFFER THAT YOU JOIN US FOR ONE OF THOSE CEREMONIES IN JANUARY.

WE'LL ALSO HOLD OUR 2026 POINT IN TIME COUNT. AS ALWAYS, YOUR PARTICIPATION AND YOUR VOICE TRULY MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THOSE EFFORTS. SO AGAIN, MAYOR, MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL, WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP. WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT THAT YOU'VE SHOWN OVER THE YEARS, AND WE THANK YOU FOR STANDING WITH US AS PARTNERS TO BUILD A HOUSE AND HEALTHY.

BREVARD, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ONE, TWO THREE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, JEFF. I LEARNED FROM YOU. ISN'T THAT TRUE? YES, SIR. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. MR. HUMBERT. COME ON UP. HOW YOU DOING? 30 YEARS. YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY 30. HAD A CRAZY 50. ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE 50? I THINK SO. OH, ALL RIGHT, REAL QUICK. WE WANT TO. WE WANT TO REAL QUICK. OUR BOARDS ARE UNDER OUR BOARDS. THEY THEY SERVE AS ADVISORY BOARDS FOR THE CITY COUNCIL. AND EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM IS VERY IMPORTANT. SO WE LIKE TO SHOW SOME RECOGNITION. AND TONIGHT WE HAVE TWO LONG ONES. AND I WAS JUST SAYING TO HIM, THIS IS A SHORT ONE, THIS IS 30 YEARS.

SO THIS IS NOT THE SHORT ONE. SO PRESENTATION OF THE VOLUNTEER MILESTONE OF SERVICE AWARD FOR ROADIE HUMBER FOR 30 YEARS OF SERVICE ON THE CITIZENS ADVISORY BOARD. MR. HUMBERT BEGAN HIS VOLUNTEER SERVICE IN OCTOBER 1995. HE ALWAYS HAS A WAY OF GENTLY GUIDING THE BOARD THROUGH CHALLENGING DELIBERATIONS AND GENEROUSLY SHARES HIS PERSPECTIVE, HIS MANY YEARS OF SERVICE TO THE GREATER COMMUNITY ARE APPRECIATED. AND WHAT YOU JUST SAID TO ME, NO ONE REALLY HEARD YOU SAID THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HIT 50 YEARS. I WISH YOU THE BEST OF LUCK AND HOPEFULLY YOU CAN. AND THAT IS WHAT YOU GET FOR AMAZING 30 YEARS OF SERVICE WITH THE CITY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU SIR, THANK YOU SIR, I'M VERY HUMBLED. A LOT OF CHANGES IN 30 YEARS WITH THE COUNCIL, WITH THE CAB, BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT DRIVE THE CAB IS THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND HOUSING BOARD, WHICH IS THE REAL CORE OF REACHING OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND MAKING THINGS HAPPEN. AND WITH THAT, THEY DESERVE AS MUCH RECOGNITION AS I DO TONIGHT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU A QUICK PICTURE. IS. YEAH, COME ON, COME ON, COME ON UP. OKAY. ONE, TWO THREE. YEAH. TAKE CARE. NOW, THIS NEXT

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NOW, MAYOR, ONE THING I MUST TELL YOU. EVERYBODY THINKS THAT STREET NAMED AFTER ME. BUT THAT STREET NAMED AFTER MY GRANDFATHER CAME IN 1896. BUT EVERYBODY CLAIMS IT'S ME, SO I DON'T TELL THEM ANY DIFFERENT. I JUST SAY YES, CHARLES JACKSON STREET. BUT ANYWAY, I'VE ENJOYED WORKING AND SERVING ON THE BOARD. I'VE SEEN SO MANY CHANGES, AND I'M GLAD TO SEE THE CHANGE COMING OUT ABOUT THE BREWERY AND THE DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT COMING OUT IN MY AREA, AND ALSO WHAT'S COMING IN ON ON HARBOR CITY BOULEVARD. BUT I'VE SEEN A LOT OF CHANGES, MADE ALL POSITIVE CHANGES. SO I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE ON THE BOARD AND BE A PART OF IT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THE BOARD, WILL YOU ALL COME DOWN? YEP.

HOLD YOUR WRISTWATCH. ALL RIGHT. SAME THING, YOU KNOW. ALL RIGHT, GUYS. LEVELED OUT. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. ONE, TWO. THREE. YES. RIGHT HERE. WE'LL PUT IN THE BOX. YOU SAY, WHERE DID IT GO? THANK YOU. APPRECIATE YOU. ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE, NOVEMBER 25TH, 2025.

[A.5. Approval of Minutes - November 25, 2025 Workshop Meeting and Regular Meeting]

[A.6. City Manager's Report]

YES. I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT I DID BRING UP THAT WE USE A FUEL CARD PROGRAM AND THAT THE CURRENT CONTRACT THAT WE PIGGYBACK FROM THE STATE OF FLORIDA EXPIRES AT THE END OF THE MONTH. SO THE END OF THE YEAR AND THEY'RE CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS OF RENEWING, BUT IT HASN'T BEEN RENEWED TO THIS DATE. SO I AM REQUESTING AUTHORIZATION FROM COUNCIL TO

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[A.7. Public Comments]

AVENUE IS A DIRT ROAD. IT'S ONE OF FOUR DIRT ROADS IN THE CITY. AND WE WOULD REALLY LIKE TO GET THAT PAID. WE'VE ALREADY PUT THE PETITION IN. WE HAVE 70% OF THE PEOPLE OVER THERE, AND I'M JUST HERE TO ASK YOU TO PLEASE CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, PAVING THAT ROAD OVER THERE BECAUSE IT'S A SAFETY HAZARD. I DON'T THINK THE CITY HAS TOUCHED IT IN 2 OR 3 YEARS NOW. THEY DON'T EVEN THEY DON'T THEY DON'T DO ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, AND I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT HASN'T BEEN PAID. EVERYTHING ELSE OVER THAT'S BEEN PAID IF I'M, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M CORRECT OR NOT, BUT I THINK THAT ROAD WAS APPROVED TO BE PAID BACK WHEN THE REST OF THE ROADS WERE PAVED. I DON'T KNOW WHY HOAG WASN'T PAID, SO I'M JUST HERE TO ASK YOU, YOU KNOW, TO HELP US OUT, TO GET THIS ROAD PAVED OVER THERE, BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF ELDERLY PEOPLE IN OUR CHURCH, AND WE'VE HAD PEOPLE FALL. WE'VE HAD CARS STUCK IN THE MUD. I PULLED A TRUCK OUT OF THE OTHER DAY TO SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS OUT OVER THERE. YOU NEED TO GO BACK OVER THERE WHEN IT'S RAINING AND JUST SEE WHAT'S GOING ON. AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU. GOOD SIR. I BELIEVE THAT I KNOW THAT YOU POTENTIALLY HAVE TALKED TO THE CLERK'S OFFICE OR THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK JENNY IF SHE KNEW WHERE WE WERE AT WITH THAT, BECAUSE I THINK BECAUSE WE THIS WAS A WHILE AGO THAT THIS HAD ALL COME UP. LIKE HE STATED, THEY DID DO A PETITION. AND THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT IS EVALUATING THAT RIGHT NOW. I THINK IT'S VERY CLOSE TO THE 70% APPROVAL. AND IF THEY DO RECEIVE 70%, THAT'S PER OUR COUNCIL POLICY. IF THEY DO RECEIVE THE 70%, WE'LL PROCEED WITH DESIGN. AND SO TO GET US SOME SIGNATURES STILL, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? WELL, I'M NOT SURE THAT'S SOMETHING THEY'RE VERIFYING. WE HAVE 70%. I'M SURE OF THAT. OKAY, OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. PERFECT. OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU MAYOR. GOOD. SIR SIR SIR, SIR. SO SO I SO THIS IS A NEW, NEW PROCESS FOR ME, MAYOR. SO THIS IS A ROAD THAT HAS NOT BEEN PAVED AS OPPOSED TO RESURFACING. RIGHT. SO I GUESS I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT IS THE PROCESS FOR PAVING OF A OF A NEW ROAD. AND I KNOW WE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT THIS AS IT RELATES TO THE THE ROAD BEHIND THE AMERICAN LEGION ALSO. SO THERE IS A COUNCIL POLICY ON PAVING UNPAVED ROADS AND THAT POLICY, AND I MAY NEED SOME NODS FROM THE CITY ENGINEER HERE, BUT I BELIEVE THE POLICY IS THAT 70% OF THE FRONTAGE OF THE ROAD. SO WE HAVE TO HAVE VOTES FROM 70% OF THE FRONTAGE OF THE ROADS TO PETITION TO HAVE THE STREET PAVED. ONCE WE RECEIVE THE 70%, THEN THERE IS A PERCENTAGE. AND THAT'S WHERE I'M NOT SURE IS THAT THEY HAVE TO PAY 40, 30%. I THINK THEN THE CITY PAYS 70%. THE THE BASED ON FRONT FOOTAGE, THE PROPERTY OWNERS PAY 30% OF THE COST TO PAVE THE ROAD AND THOSE COSTS WERE WORKED UP, I BELIEVE WHEN THEY WHEN THEY DID THE PETITION. ENGINEERING HAS WORKED THOSE UP FOR THEM. BUT THAT'S A CURRENT COUNCIL POLICY. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE AMENDED BY COUNCIL WHENEVER YOU SEE FIT. OKAY. SO SO THERE'S A COST THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY. ALSO. CORRECT. AND AND WE THINK THAT THAT ALREADY HAS BEEN THAT ALREADY HAS BEEN BECAUSE I THINK THIS WAS STARTED BEFORE THIS CURRENT COUNCIL. WELL HOW LONG HAS THIS BEEN IN THE WORKS. WE DON'T WE DON'T HAVE A BUDGET. WE DON'T HAVE A PROJECT FOR IT YET BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE HAD A PETITION FOR AND THAT WE HAD A PROJECT MOVING. AND SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IF THEY HAVE THE 70% AND WE FIGURE OUT THE ACTUAL COST, WE WILL BE BRINGING, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT HERE, WE WILL BE BRINGING BACK TO COUNCIL FOR COUNCIL'S APPROVAL FOR US TO CREATE A PROJECT FOR OUR PORT OR TO PAVE THE UNPAVED STREET. OKAY. AND

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THANK YOU. AND THEN THE LINEAR FOOTAGE HELP ME UNDERSTAND THAT. THAT'S SO SOME YOU MIGHT HAVE ONE PROPERTY. IT DOESN'T LIKE ME IN SHOCK. YOU DID IT. TURN IT OFF AND TURN IT ON AGAIN.

TRY WHO NEEDS COFFEE WHEN YOU HAVE THAT. OKAY. IS IT. YEAH. SOMETHING. PUSH THAT AWAY FROM ME. IT DOESN'T LIKE TO SUBJECT. I TURN IT OFF AND TURN IT BACK ON. WHEN IT'S OFF IT. IT'S BASED OFF OF THE FOOTAGE THAT YOU HAVE. OH, IT SAID WAIT. JOAN IS INDICATING ITS PROPERTY OWNERS, PROPERTY OWNERS, 70% OF PROPERTY OWNERS. SO THERE YOU GO, 70% OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS.

BUT I THINK THE COST MIGHT BE BASED ON THE LINEAR FOOTAGE. I HAD THOSE BACKWARDS. OKAY, OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU MARY NANCE FOLLOWED BY DREW WARREN. DID YOU GET YOUR ANSWER TONIGHT? DID YOU GET A SATISFACTORY ANSWER THIS EVENING? I THINK SO YOU THINK SO OKAY OKAY. I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT HOG STREET PROJECT AS WELL. I'M FROM CHRISTIAN FELLOWSHIP CHURCH OF GOD IN CHRIST, BUT I LIVE IN PALM BAY. BUT I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE MEMBERS AND OUR CHURCH AND THE AFFORDABILITY. AND I'M HERE TO ASK THE COUNCIL IF IT COULD CONSIDER PAYING MORE THAN THE 70%, IF THERE IS A GRANT OR ANYTHING THAT COULD HELP US OUT ON THAT COST ABOUT 50% OF THE PROPERTY ON HOG AVENUE IS OWNED BY A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION, CHRISTIAN FELLOWSHIP CHURCH OF GOD IN CHRIST. WE ARE NONPROFIT. THE COMMUNITY OF HOPE. THEY HAVE A TEMPORARY HOUSING OVER THERE, AND THEY ARE ALSO NONPROFIT. AND WE PROVIDE A SERVICE TO THE MEDIUM TO LOWER INCOME PEOPLE OF THE COMMUNITY. AND SO I'M ASKING FOR THAT CONSIDERATION. WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 60 TO 65 MEMBERS, AND 60% OF THOSE MEMBERS ARE OVER 60. HALF OF OUR CONGREGATION PRETTY MUCH IS ON SOCIAL SECURITY. A LOT OF THE PEOPLE ARE. SEVERAL OF THE PEOPLE ON THE STREET IS ON SOCIAL SECURITY, EVEN THOUGH THEY SIGNED, BECAUSE WE DO WANT THE ROAD PAVED. THEY SIGNED THE PETITION. BUT IT WOULD BE REALLY A HARDSHIP FOR THEM TO TRY TO PAY A PORTION OF THE COST. SO WE ARE ASKING THE CITY IF YOU COULD HELP US OUT. IS THERE A GRANT OR ANYTHING AVAILABLE THAT COULD HELP WITH THAT 30%, IF NOT ALL OF IT, PART OF IT, BECAUSE IT IS REALLY A HARDSHIP. BUT OUR IT'S HARD TO MAINTAIN OUR PROPERTY WITH THE ROAD BEING LIKE IT IS. IT HAVE BEEN SCRAPED OR DRAGGED.

WHEN IT RAINS, THERE ARE POTHOLES AND WE REALLY NEED THAT STREET PAVED. WE HAVE BEEN TRYING GOING THROUGH THIS FOR OVER 25 YEARS NOW. WE'VE BEEN HERE 2 OR 3 TIMES AND NOTHING HAS HAPPENED AND IS GETTING WORSE AND WORSE. THE ELDERLY PEOPLE IN OUR CHURCH HAVE TO COME OUT, YOU KNOW, INTO THE PARKING LOT AND EVERYTHING, AND IT'S A DANGER TO THEM BECAUSE WE HAVE PEOPLE IN WHEELCHAIRS, ON WALKERS, CANES AND EVERYTHING. SO IF THE CITY COULD REALLY CONSIDER HELPING US OUT WITH THAT 30% BECAUSE IT IS A HARDSHIP, AND I DON'T THINK THAT BY US NOT BEING ABLE TO AFFORD TO PAY, THE 30% SHOULD STOP THE CITIZENS FROM HAVING THAT STREET PAVED. SO WE ARE ASKING IF THERE IS A GRANT OR ANYTHING THAT CAN HELP US.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU. DREW WARREN, FOLLOWED BY STEVEN BORGMAN. HELLO, I'M DREW WARREN, CEO OF COMMUNITY OF HOPE. I THINK THE NANCY, THE NANCY'S SAID EVERYTHING I NEED TO SAY, BUT I'LL JUST ADD TO THAT A LITTLE BIT. COMMUNITY OF HOPE HAS OVER 30 PROPERTIES IN THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, ALL OF THEM SERVING FAMILIES, COMING OUT OF HOMELESSNESS, ALL OF THEM

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MAYOR, CAN WE CAN WE HAVE IT REGRADED? IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN HAVE IT REGRADED TEMPORARILY? THAT'S ACTUALLY I WAS SENDING AN EMAIL RIGHT NOW TO SEE IF WE COULD HAVE THAT GRADED AND MAINTAINED. OKAY. THANK YOU. DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING, MR. MAYOR? I MEAN, I KNOW, I MEAN, I THIS HAS COME UP FOR A WHILE. I MEAN, HISTORY WISE AND I, I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT WE COULD FIGURE OUT WAYS TO, TO GET THIS TAKEN CARE OF. LET'S LOOK AT THE COST AND SEE WHERE IT IS. YEAH. I MEAN, YEAH, THE LAST TIME I CAME BEFORE COUNCIL FOR THAT POLICY WAS A WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER NOVEMBER 2020. I SPECIFICALLY WAS TRYING TO GET ROADS PAVED OFF OF COUNTRY CLUB AND SOME SUMMERSIDE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO MORNINGSIDE. THANK YOU.

MORNINGSIDE. SO IF THERE'S I MEAN I'D BE INTERESTED IN LOOKING AT THAT AGAIN. I KNOW THERE'S A QUITE A FEW NEW FACES ON COUNCIL SINCE THEN. RIGHT. AND I GUESS THE QUESTION WOULD ALSO BE MAYBE JENNY, HOW ARE THERE OTHER ROADS? I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S UP TO THEM AND THEY COULD DO THE PETITION, BUT MAYBE WE LOOK AND SEE ACROSS THE CITY. I THINK I WAS HAVING A CONVERSATION EARLIER, MAYBE THERE'S SIX UNPAVED OR THERE MIGHT BE MORE THAN THAT. BUT I'M HAPPY TO FORWARD THE INFORMATION WE'VE PROVIDED TO COUNCIL IN THE PAST. I KNOW I GET THAT, BUT I MEAN, THIS WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO SORT OF ASK THAT QUESTION AGAIN, TAKE A LOOK. AND THEN IF THERE ARE OTHERS IN A SIMILAR SITUATION, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AND SEE IF WE CAN ADDRESS THAT AS OPPOSED TO KEEP HAVING THIS ONGOING ONGOING FOR YEARS UPON YEARS. WELL, THE CITY CITY MANAGER CAN EMAIL US THE ROADS THAT ARE PAVED AND THE INFORMATION. OKAY. THAT'LL WORK. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. STEVEN BORGMAN. STEVEN BORGMAN, IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR, I WAS FALSELY ARRESTED FOR THE HEINOUS CRIME OF EXCESSIVE USE OF HORN WITHOUT PROBABLE CAUSE. I WAS STOPPED BY OFFICER DEAL AND REFUSED TO IDENTIFY ON THE GROUNDS THAT OFFICER DEAL COULD NOT ARTICULATE THAT A CRIME HAD OCCURRED. I ALSO READ TO HIM FLORIDA STATUTE 316 .271 THAT HE HAD ACCUSED ME OF VIOLATING. IT IS NOT A STATUTE THAT DEFINES HOW A HORN IS USED. IN FACT, NOWHERE IN FLORIDA LAW DOES IT SAY A PERSON CANNOT USE THEIR HORN. FLORIDA STATUTE 901.151 AND THE SUPREME COURT CASE OF TERRY V OHIO REQUIRES COPS TO HAVE SPECIFIC AND ARTICULABLE FACTS OF A CRIME BEFORE STOPPING AND IDING, BECAUSE THERE IS NO LAW THAT MAKES USING A HORN ILLEGAL, NOR DICTATES ITS USE. OFFICER DEAL COULD NOT ARTICULATE ANY LAW THAT WAS VIOLATED. THEREFORE, WITHOUT ARTICULATING ANY FACTS NOR PROBABLE CAUSE OF A CRIME, I COULD NOT BE STOPPED OR ARRESTED, NOR SEARCHED, NOR BE REQUIRED TO ID MYSELF OR PRESENT ANY DOCUMENTS DEMANDED OF ME. ARRESTING AND SEARCHING A PERSON WITHOUT A CRIME IS A BLATANT VIOLATION OF FLORIDA STATUTE 901.151, AND THE FIRST AND FOURTH AMENDMENTS TO THE CONSTITUTION. OFFICERS DEAL, COLVIN AND EVERY MEMBER OF THE MELBOURNE POLICE DEPARTMENT SWORE A PROMISE TO THE PEOPLE TO UPHOLD FLORIDA STATE LAW AND UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION WITH RETALIATION. I WAS ILLEGALLY STOPPED FOR USING MY HORN, ILLEGALLY SEARCHED AND TOSSED INTO THE BACK OF A POLICE CAR, AND ENDURED 24 HOURS OF RETALIATORY ABUSE AND HUMILIATION AT THE HANDS OF THE MELBOURNE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE BREVARD COUNTY SHERIFF. THE CONDITIONS OF THIS ARREST ARE THE SAME AS WHEN I WAS RETALIATED AGAINST AND FALSELY CHARGED BY OFFICER COLVIN WHEN I EXERCISED MY RIGHT OF EXPRESSION THE PREVIOUS YEAR, WHEN I HONKED AT HIM AND GAVE HIM THE FINGER AS HE WAS TRESPASSING AND LOITERING. YOU WILL REMEMBER THAT COLVIN PERJURED HIMSELF THREE TIMES

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[B.8. Ordinance No. 2025-41 (AV2025-0002): (First Reading/Public Hearing) An ordinance vacating a bike path easement between 2465 Wild Wood Drive and 2455 Wild Wood Drive. (Postponed - 9/11/2025, 10/14/2025)]

IN PLACE OF THE BIKE PATH. EASEMENT STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND ACCORDING TO THE REVIEW CRITERIA CONTAINED IN SECTION 5299 OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE CODE OF ORDINANCES AND RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE VACATION OF THE BIKE PATH EASEMENT FOR PURSUANT TO SECTION 50 2-1 HUNDRED B, IT HAS BEEN DETERMINED WITH THE THAT WITH FOR THE REQUIRED PUBLIC UTILITY EASEMENT FROM THE HOA. THE VACATION ACTION WILL NOT COMPROMISE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, WELFARE AND ESTHETICS AND ECONOMIC ORDER. THE AGENDA PROVIDES A SKETCH OF WHERE THE EASEMENT FALLS BETWEEN THE TWO HOMES. THERE IS NO APPARENT FISCAL IMPACT AS A RESULT OF THIS VACATE REQUEST, AND WE'RE REQUESTING APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 202541.

OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTION FOR MR. ENNIS? OKAY. THIS IS A QUASI JUDICIAL ITEM. ME DISCLOSURES, I NOTE NO DISCLOSURES. THE PUBLIC HEARING THERE IS NO THERE'S NO SPEAKERS.

I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL. MAYOR. MA'AM. GO AHEAD. APPROVAL ORDINANCE 20 2541 SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION BY MISS HANLEY. SECOND BY MR. NEWMAN. ROLL CALL.

VOTE ON THIS ITEM. ACTUALLY, WE'LL GO AHEAD. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I

[B.9. Consideration of proposals for disposition of 0.08 acres of City property abutting 1015 W.H. Jackson Street. (Public Hearing) (Postponed - 10/28/2025)]

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SO IS THERE ANY PROCEDURAL? SO SO AGAIN. RIGHT. BECAUSE IT'S A PUBLIC BECAUSE IT'S PUBLIC HEARING AND ADVERTISED ITEM. WE'RE LOOKING FOR A POSTPONEMENT TO THE JANUARY 20TH 7TH OR JANUARY 27TH. YES, SIR. JANUARY 27TH, 2026 COUNCIL MEETING HERE IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT 630. THAT'S WHAT I SAID. WELL, MISS HANLEY SENT YOU SAID RECOMMEND YOU RECOMMEND A POSTPONEMENT. POSTPONEMENT TO THE 27TH JANUARY 2026 MEETING 6:30 P.M.

YOU MOTION. I'LL SECOND THAT. HOW'S THAT? OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED?

[B.10. Ordinance No. 2025-52, El Car Wash: (Second Reading/Public Hearing) An ordinance granting a conditional use (CU2025-0002) to allow a car wash establishment in a C-2 (General Commercial) zoning district with site plan approval (PLAN2025-0006) on an overall 2.54±-acre property located on the east side of North Wickham Road, north of Sarno Road, and south of West Eau Gallie Boulevard. (Owner - 925 WICKHAM LLC) (Applicant/Representative - Jordan Draper, P.E.) (First Reading - 11/25/2025)]

THERE'S GOING TO BE ORDINANCE NUMBER 20 2552, MR. CONNELLY. THANK YOU. MAYOR. AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP AS IT RELATES TO GENERAL ZONING ORDINANCE NUMBER 2005. DASH 120, BY GRANTING A CONDITIONAL USE TO ALLOW FOR A FREESTANDING CARWASH ESTABLISHMENT ON 2.54 PLUS OR MINUS ACRES OF PROPERTY. ZONED C-2 GENERAL COMMERCIAL. LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF WICKHAM ROAD, NORTH OF SARNO ROAD AND SOUTH OF EAU GALLIE BOULEVARD. 925 NORTH WICKHAM ROAD, PROVIDING FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL. PROVIDING FOR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.

PROVIDING THAT THE CONDITIONAL USE GRANTED HEREIN MAY BE REVOKED BY CITY COUNCIL IF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL ARE NOT MET, PROVIDING THAT THE PROPERTY SHALL BE DESIGNATED ON THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP BY THE SYMBOL C C-2, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND PROVIDING AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE. THANK YOU. REPORT ON THIS IS MISS CINDY DITTMER. YES. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER TO ADD ON SECOND READING FOR THIS ITEM.

THANK YOU. MISS. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS DITTMER? OKAY. THIS IS QUASI JUDICIAL ITEM. ANY DISCLOSURES? NOPE I NO NO DISCLOSURES. THE PUBLIC HEARING WE HAVE ONE SIGN UP SHEET. IT DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK? ALI. ALEJANDRO. YEAH. JUST FOR ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. OKAY. BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL. MAYOR. GOOD. MA'AM. APPROVAL ORDINANCE 20 2552 WITH PLANNING 2020 5-006. BASED UPON THE FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS CONTAINED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEMORANDUM. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION BY MISS HANLEY, SECOND BY MISS BASSETT, AND THEN I'LL GO FOR ROLL CALL. VOTE ON THIS COUNCILMEMBER HANLEY, COUNCILMEMBER. COUNCILMEMBER LARUSSO. COUNCILMEMBER. NEWMAN. COUNCILMEMBER. BASSETT. VICE MAYOR. KENNEDY. MAYOR ALFRED, I VOTE AYE. MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. MOVING

[B.11. Ordinance No. 2025-53 and Ordinance No. 2025-54, Lansing RV Storage: (First Reading/Public Hearing) Ordinances providing for a Comprehensive Plan amendment and zoning designation, with site plan approval for an outdoor RV storage area on 6.25± acres, located on the north side of Lansing Street, east of North Wickham Road, and south of Lake Washington Road. (Owner - LAWS HALL PARTNERSHIP LLP) (Applicant/Representative: Justin Archey) (P&Z Board - 11/6/2025) (Postponed - 11/25/2025)]

AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, RELATING TO COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING, MAKING FINDINGS, AMENDING APPENDIX D, CHAPTER FOUR, SECTION 4.04 OF THE CITY CODE. AMENDING THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BY CHANGING THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION FROM GENERAL COMMERCIAL TO HEAVY COMMERCIAL ON A 1.83 PLUS OR MINUS ACRE PORTION. LOT FOUR OF AN OVERALL 6.25 PLUS OR MINUS ACRE PROPERTY. LOTS THREE AND FOUR OF THE LANSING SQUARE COMMERCIAL SUBDIVISION, LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF LANSING STREET, EAST OF NORTH WICKHAM ROAD AND SOUTH OF LAKE WASHINGTON ROAD, PROVIDING FOR A CONDITION OF APPROVAL. PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE, AND PROVIDING AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE TOGETHER WITH ORDINANCE NUMBER 20 2554. AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP AS IT RELATES TO THE GENERAL ZONING ORDINANCE NUMBER, 2005. DASH 120 BY CHANGING THE EXISTING ZONING FROM C TWO GENERAL COMMERCIAL TO M-1 LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ON A 1.83 PLUS OR MINUS ACRE PORTION, LOT FOUR OF AN OVERALL 6.25 PLUS OR MINUS ACRE PROPERTY. LOTS THREE AND FOUR OF THE LANSING SQUARE COMMERCIAL SUBDIVISION, LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF LANSING STREET, EAST OF NORTH WICKHAM ROAD AND SOUTH OF LAKE WASHINGTON ROAD. PROVIDING FOR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, PROVIDING EFFECTIVE DATE, AND PROVIDING AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE. THANK YOU. REPORT ON THIS IS MISS DITTMER. YES. SO THIS IS THE FIRST READING OF TWO ORDINANCES CHANGING THE EXISTING GENERAL COMMERCIAL FUTURE LAND USE TO A HEAVY COMMERCIAL LAND USE, AND CHANGING THE EXISTING ZONING

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ADDITIONALLY, THE M-1 ZONING DOES REQUIRE THE CHANGE TO THE HEAVY COMMERCIAL FUTURE LAND USE. SO THAT IS THE REASONS FOR THE TWO REQUESTS FOR LAND USE AND ZONING CHANGE. THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO SUBMITTED A FORMAL SITE PLAN DEPICTING THE RV STORAGE AREA AND THE MODIFICATIONS THAT WILL BE MADE ON THIS LOT, FOR THIS WILL BE CONNECTED TO THE CURRENT MINI STORAGE THAT'S LOCATED TO THE NORTH THROUGH THE DRIVEWAYS. AFTER APPROVAL OF THIS FORMAL SITE PLAN, THEY WILL SUBMIT ENGINEERING CONSTRUCTION PLANS AND GO THROUGH THE REQUIRED PERMITTING FOR THE SITE IMPROVEMENTS. SINCE THE AREA TO BE REZONED IS ACCESSORY TO THE MINI STORAGE TO THE NORTH, WE ARE REQUESTING THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDE A UNITY OF TITLE, TYING BOTH OF THESE LOTS TOGETHER AS ONE. THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD DID VOTE UNANIMOUSLY TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUESTS. AFTER THE REQUEST, THE APPLICANT DID CONTACT STAFF ABOUT A REQUESTED CHANGE TO CONDITION B OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE. THE CONDITION IT WAS AS IT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED BY STAFF AND HEARD BY THE BOARD, HAD A ONE YEAR TIME FRAME FOR THE APPLICANT TO ESTABLISH THE RV OPERATION. THE APPLICANT IDENTIFIED THAT THEY'D NEED MORE TIME THAN THE ONE YEAR TIME FRAME, AND REQUESTED THAT TO TO GO TO A THREE YEAR TIME FRAME, THREE YEARS IS TYPICALLY WHAT WE GIVE FOR A FORMAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL TIME FRAME, SO STAFF AGREED TO THAT CONDITION. CHANGE. THAT CHANGE HAS BEEN MADE IN THE ORDINANCE THAT COUNCIL HAS IN THE PACKAGE THIS EVENING. SO WITH THAT, STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL ORDINANCE NUMBER 20 2553 BASED UPON THE FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS CONTAINED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEMORANDUM AND ADDITIONALLY, APPROVAL ORDINANCE NUMBER 20 2554. BASED UPON THE FINDINGS CONTAINED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEMORANDUM AND THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE CONTAINED WITHIN THE ORDINANCE, WITHIN THE COUNCIL PACKAGE AND CITY MAYOR, IF I MAY, CINDY, WILL YOU GO THROUGH WITH COUNCIL QUICKLY THE FACT THAT THE ZONING HAS A CONDITION THAT IT'S TIED TO THIS PARTICULAR USE AND SITE PLAN AND AND IF THAT USE AND SITE PLAN WENT AWAY, THAT THAT THE ZONING WOULD REVERT. SURE. SO STAFF AS THEY REVIEWED THIS REQUEST FOR M-1 ZONING HAD A LITTLE BIT OF CONCERN TO JUST ALLOWING ANY AND ONE ZONING DUE TO THE PROXIMITY OF COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL LOCATED TO THE EAST. SO WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED IS THAT THERE ARE CONDITIONS ON THE FUTURE LAND USE AND THE ZONING THAT WILL LIMIT THE USE WITHIN THAT M-1 CATEGORY TO ONLY THIS OUTDOOR RV STORAGE USE. AND SO BOTH OF THOSE ORDINANCES HAVE THOSE LIMITATIONS ON THAT. WE TALKED WITH THE APPLICANT ABOUT THAT. IF FOR SOME REASON SOMETHING DIFFERENT IS PROPOSED, WE COULD STILL COME BACK AND, YOU KNOW, CHANGE BACK TO THE ZONING. THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER OPTIONS.

BUT WHAT WE DIDN'T WANT TO ALLOW IS SOME TYPE OF TRUE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USE TO OCCUR IN THIS LOCATION. SO THAT'S THE REASONING, MAYOR. OKAY. GOOD. SIR. SO JUST I'M TRACKING ON THAT PARTICULAR PIECE. SO IF AT A FUTURE TIME THIS IS SOLD, IT WOULD BE COME BACK TO US TO BE REVERTED BACK TO SOMETHING TO BACK TO THIS BASICALLY. SO IF IT'S CONSTRUCTED, IF THE RV IS CONSTRUCTED AND IT'LL HAVE A UNITY OF TITLE, IT'LL BE TIED IN WITH THE MINI STORAGE. SO IF IT SELLS IN THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW, TO A NEW OWNER WHO OWNS THE MINI STORAGE IN THE RV, OUTDOOR STORAGE, NOTHING WILL CHANGE FOR THAT OWNER. IT WOULD BE THAT IF A NEW OWNER OR SOMEBODY WANTED TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, SPECIFICALLY ON THIS LOT FOR PERFECT. THANK YOU.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MAYOR? MAYOR? VICE MAYOR. GO AHEAD. MA'AM, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP BECAUSE THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY QUESTION. CAN THEY CHANGE FROM THE RV AND

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THE ANSWER'S NO. WITH THE CONDITIONS STAFF'S PROPOSED. OKAY. BUT REAL QUICK. HEY, CINDY, HOW ARE YOU TONIGHT? GOOD. HOW ARE YOU? GOOD. LAST MEETING OF THE YEAR. YOU HAPPY? YAY I AM, IT'S GOING TO BE A SHORT ONE, RIGHT? YEAH. HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THE AGENDA LATELY? YES I HAVE, I HAVE A FEW ITEMS ON HERE REAL QUICK. THE OUTDOOR STORAGE HAS ANY OF THE RESIDENTS? I'M LOOKING AT THE ALL THE INFORMATION ON THE AGENDA ITEM. IT APPEARS THAT SOME RESIDENTS IN THE AREA HAVE HAVE VOICED THEIR THEIR OPINION, BUT HAVE NOT MET THE 20% TO SAY ANYTHING. SO THERE WERE TWO RESIDENTS DIRECTLY, SORT OF TO THE EAST. IF YOU CAN SEE THE YELLOW ON THE MAP TO THE EAST, THERE'S SOME SINGLE FAMILY LOTS THERE. THEY SPOKE AT THE MEETING WITH CONCERNS ABOUT LIGHTING FROM THE EXISTING PROJECT. I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY SPOKE WITH THE APPLICANT AFTER THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEETING. WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING FURTHER FROM THEM, FROM THEM ON THAT. SO IT WAS MORE SPECIFIC, EVEN MORE SO TO, TO SORT OF THE THE CURRENT USE. THERE WAS NOT ANY PETITION PROPOSED OR LETTER OF INTENT FILED ON THIS REQUEST. WELL, ARE THEY ARE THESE RESIDENTS WITHIN THE 500FT? YES, SIR.

THEY ARE. OKAY. AND SO THERE ARE OTHER RESIDENTS THAT ARE WITHIN THE 500FT, BUT WE ONLY HAVE TWO THAT HAD VOICED THEIR THEIR OPINIONS ABOUT THE LIGHTING AND THE NOISE AND THAT SORT OF THING. I KNOW WE RAN ACROSS THIS MANY TIMES IN MANY DIFFERENT AREAS IN THE CITY OVER THE YEARS. SO THE APPLICANT HAS LISTENED TO THE RESIDENTS, BUT HAS NOT RESPONDED TO THE RESIDENTS ABOUT THAT OR TO US, OR ARE THEY JUST FALLING UNDER WHAT WE SAY IS GOING TO HAPPEN? PIGGYBACKING ON THAT LOT THREE AND LOT FOUR BEING COMBINED, UNITY OF TITLE. CAN LOT THREE ALSO BE USED AS AN OUTDOOR STORAGE, AS WE'RE PROPOSING FOR LOT FOUR? OKAY, SO TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. FIRST, I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING. SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO INQUIRE FURTHER WHAT THEIR DISCUSSIONS, I'M ASKING YOU CAN THEY TAKE LOT FOUR. OKAY. SO TO THE SECOND TO THE SECOND PART PUT IT INTO LOT THREE AS WELL TO TO OPEN THAT UP AS OUTDOOR STORAGE FOR RVS AND OTHER ADDITIONAL ITEMS. NO.

SO THE EXISTING MINI STORAGE THAT'S ALREADY CONSTRUCTED TO THE NORTH WOULD REMAIN MINI STORAGE. THEY ARE PROPOSING TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHEN WE'RE SAYING OUTDOOR STORAGE. IT IS OUTDOOR VEHICLE RV STORAGE. SO A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT SOMETIMES THAN WE THINK ABOUT OUTDOOR CONTRACTOR YARD STORAGE. IT IS THE VEHICLES BUT THAT IT DOES REQUIRE IT BEING IN THE M ONE ZONING. BUT NO THEY WILL NOT HAVE THE ABILITY. WE ARE NOT REZONING THE PORTION FOR LOT THREE. IT'S ONLY THE PORTION FOR THE RV PARKING AREA. OKAY.

SO SO THE THE UNITY OF TITLE SCARED ME. YOU KNOW, FOR A MOMENT THAT IT COULD, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE, YOU KNOW, THE ALREADY STRUCTURE THAT WAS THERE. SO SO THE ONE MORE TIME, EXPLAIN TO ME ONE MORE TIME. AND I APOLOGIZE FOR FOR NOT FOLLOWING COMPLETELY. THE RESIDENTS WERE CONCERNED ABOUT HEAVY EQUIPMENT AND LIGHTING. NO, JUST JUST LIGHTING. LIGHTING IS WHAT THEY.

YES. AND AND WE WE WE CAME TOGETHER ON THAT. I MEAN THE APPLICANT AND EVERYTHING. I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT WAS KIND OF LIKE THE APPLICANT HEARD WHAT THE RESIDENTS SAID, BUT WE DIDN'T REALLY KNOW. WE DIDN'T REALLY DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. RIGHT. THEIR CONCERN WAS TREAT ME LIKE A SIX YEAR OLD. THEIR CONCERN WAS RELATED TO SOMETHING EXISTING, NOT THIS PROPOSAL. OKAY. SO AND WE HAD NOT HEARD ANYTHING FURTHER FROM THE RESIDENTS OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

THANKS I APPRECIATE IT. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. QUASI JUDICIAL DISCLOSURES, NO CLOSURES. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER, ANDREW EVANS. DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK OR JUST HERE FOR QUESTION? I'M JUST HERE FOR QUESTION OKAY. ANY HAVE ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. SURE YOU DO MAYOR. SURE. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. IF YOU COME ON UP SIR. YEAH. THANK YOU. BE ON THIS SIDE OVER HERE. YES, SIR. ANDREW EVANS THANK YOU SIR.

THANK YOU. GOOD. THANK YOU, THANK YOU MAYOR. HEY, ANDREW. HOW ARE YOU TONIGHT? GOOD SIR.

HOW ARE YOU? ALL RIGHT. LAST MEETING. LIKE I SAID, I'M EXCITED. YOU'RE EXCITED I AM EXCITED. WE'RE ALL EXCITED. YEAH. MERRY CHRISTMAS. THANK YOU. SIR. YOU HEARD SOME OF MY

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AND WE ALWAYS WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS, AND WE ALWAYS WANT TO DO THE BEST THING THAT WE CAN FOR OUR RESIDENTS. SO PLEASE HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT WITH CINDY EARLIER. ABSOLUTELY. WELL, THANKS TO THE DIRECTION OF STAFF EARLIER, WE IN ADDITION TO THE 500 FOOT LETTER THAT GOES OUT, WE SENT OUR OWN COMMUNICATION TO THOSE RESIDENTS KNOWING THAT SOME OF THEM ARE VERY CLOSE, SOME ARE ALREADY NEIGHBORS WITH THEM. WE RECEIVED THREE PHONE CALLS, SO I'D ALREADY BEFORE PNC ADDRESSED THOSE ISSUES WITH THEM. THE LIGHTING ISSUE. WE BUILT THIS ORIGINAL PROJECT IN TWO PHASES. AND THE FIRST PHASE, THOSE LIGHTS ON OUR PHOTOMETRIC PLAN ALL STAYED ON OUR PROPERTY, BUT UNTIL THAT SECOND PHASE WENT IN TO BLOCK OUT SOME OF THE LIGHT, IT WAS SPILLING ACROSS THE RETENTION POND AND INTO THEIR BACKYARD. SO THEY HADN'T CONTACTED US AND ASKED US TO TO REPAIR THAT. AS FAR AS BEFORE THAT, UNTIL WE GOT THAT LETTER OUT TO THEM. SO THAT WAS ONE ITEM, THE OTHER ITEM THAT WASN'T MENTIONED. THEY ASKED US TO TRIM SOME TREES ALONG THE LAKE BANK. THE TREES HAVE BEEN TRIMMED, AND AS FAR AS THE LIGHTS WE'VE ORDERED, THERE'S SOME THREE WAY SHADES THAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT UP. IT'S NOT VERY MANY LIGHTS. WE WENT OUT THERE AND STOOD IN THE IN THE DARK FROM HIS YARD AND LOOKED OVER THERE. SO I THINK THAT THEY'RE COMFORTABLE AND THEY NOW HAVE MY CELL PHONE. I'VE GOT THEIRS AND I'M CONFIDENT WE CAN ADDRESS ANY ANY FURTHER ISSUES THAT MIGHT POP UP. SURE. SO IS THERE A LIMITATION ON TIMELINE WHEN YOUR CLIENTS CAN COME IN AND GET THEIR RVS OR THEIR BOATS OR WHATEVER THEY'RE STORING THERE? I MEAN, IS IT CLOSE FROM LIKE MIDNIGHT TO 7 A.M. SO AS NOT TO BECAUSE ALL OF THIS CREATES NOISE AND CREATES ACTIVITY, CREATES, YOU KNOW, DUST. YOU'RE NOT PAVING THAT, ARE YOU? IS IT JUST A LOT? IT CALLS FOR IT TO BE PAVED. I'M SORRY IT WILL BE PAVED, BUT THAT'LL BE FIGURED OUT IN SITE PLAN. OKAY, I MISSED THAT. AND IT'S IT'S CURRENTLY THERE'S A IT'S PAVED ALREADY I'M SORRY.

AND THEN THERE'S A, AN EMPTY 20,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING PAD IN THE MIDDLE. SO WE REALLY JUST NEED TO PAVE THE MIDDLE OF IT AND CLEAN UP A FEW THINGS. SURE. SO EXCUSE ME FOR ALL THESE QUESTIONS, BUT I GO I LOOK OVER MY SHOULDER FROM HOME DEPOT UP ON WICKHAM ROAD A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, WE WE MET THESE. WE WERE FACED WITH THESE SAME CHALLENGES AND NEIGHBORS AROUND AND EVERYTHING ELSE. NOT NOT AS CLOSE, BUT I CERTAINLY WANT TO JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, GOOD NEIGHBORS, GOOD PROCESS. AND THE THREE YEARS BOTHERED ME FOR A MOMENT, BUT I FOUND OUT FROM STAFF THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S STANDARD, YOU KNOW, FROM ONE YEAR TO THREE YEARS, OUR CONCERN WAS, WELL, ONE IT WAS ONE YEAR TO BE OPEN AND I JUST I CALLED CHERYL DEAN AND JUST SAID, WE CAN'T DO THAT. SO I HATE TO AGREE TO SOMETHING. I KNOW I'M GOING TO HAVE TO ASK YOU FOR MORE TIME FOR. AND THEN THEY RESEARCHED IT, AND WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE THREE YEARS. SO WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR STAFF HAS BEEN GREAT TO WORK WITH ON THAT ITEM. WHAT TIME WILL THEY BE OPEN? WHAT TIME ARE YOU GOING TO BE OPEN, MA'AM? OH, SO CURRENTLY I'M NOT SURE, MA'AM, BUT CURRENTLY WE'RE OPEN TILL 10:00 AT NIGHT. THE LIGHTS THAT ARE THERE ON THAT PROPERTY STAY ON ALL NIGHT. THAT WAS SOMETHING WE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE RESIDENTS. I DON'T KNOW WITH THE RV WHETHER THAT WILL BE 24 HOURS OR NOT. SO. SO THE PEOPLE WHO RENT FROM YOU ARE ABLE TO ACCESS THE THEIR PROPERTY, THEIR RVS AND THEIR BOATS, ETC. RANDOMLY BECAUSE THEY'LL HAVE THE ACCESS TO THE GATE. SO THE GATE CODES JUST STOP WORKING AFTER AFTER 10:00.

SO LIKE FOR THE CURRENT, THE CURRENT RV STORAGE, THE GATE ENTERS OFF OF WICKHAM ROAD ON THE NORTH TO GET INTO THIS RV. SO THAT'S THAT'S UP THERE. BUT RIGHT CURRENTLY OUR CURRENT TENANTS, THEIR CODE STOPS WORKING AT 10:00. I'M NOT AWARE OF WHAT THE HOURS WILL BE FOR THE RV, BUT I'M HAPPY TO LISTEN TO ANY. IF YOU FILL OUT, A REASONABLE RESTRICTION NEEDS TO BE IMPOSED. I'M HAPPY TO DISCUSS THAT AGAIN. YOU KNOW, NOT PUTTING STIPULATIONS ON ON YOU TO BE A BUSINESSMAN OR TO BE AN ENTREPRENEUR. I APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, YOU STANDING UP HERE AND FACING COUNCIL AS WELL TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT ALWAYS AN EASY THING TO DO. YEAH. SO, YOU KNOW, JUST AGAIN, JUST GOOD NEIGHBORS AND MAKING SURE THAT NOBODY'S GETTING YOU KNOW, IT'S ALSO 50 PARKING SPACES. SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A LOT OF TRAFFIC OKAY. SO ALL RIGHT. IF I DON'T ASK A QUESTION I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER. I'M GRATEFUL FOR YOUR QUESTIONS. IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO HAVE CLARITY. I APPRECIATE YOU COMING TO THE CITY OF MELBOURNE AND MAKING BUSINESS HERE. WE LIVE HERE. SO THAT'S THE REASON WE HAVE TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS.

THAT'S WHAT I TELL THEM. HERE'S MY CELL PHONE. I LIVE, YOU KNOW, A MILE FROM THIS PROPERTY. IF YOU NEED SOMETHING, I'LL MEET YOU THERE. IF I EVER BUY AN RV, I'LL CALL YOU. ALL RIGHT.

SOUNDS GOOD. GOOD. SIR. SIR, IS IT A DIFFERENT PRICE? WHETHER IT'S AN RV OR BOAT OR. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE PRICING STRUCTURE WILL BE. THEY'RE GOING TO BE STANDARDIZED SIZES, SO THEY'LL BE SOLD BY THE SIZE OF THE SPACE. YEAH. SO WHATEVER YOU CAN FIT IN THAT SPACE IF YOU WANT TO PUT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU CAN FIT TWO SMALL BOATS OR ONE BIG ONE. YEAH. THE SAME PRICE.

ALL RIGHT. WELL THANK YOU, THANK YOU. SORRY COUNCIL TO TAKE SO MUCH. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. GETTING BACK HERE. THAT WAS THE PUBLIC HEARING. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND COUNCIL

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WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE AYE, AND MOTION PASSES. DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR BE MAYOR? GOOD. VICE MAYOR, I MOVE THE APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 20 2554. BASED UPON THE FINDINGS IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEMORANDUM AND THE CONDITIONS CONTAINED IN THE ORDINANCE. SECOND OF A MOTION BY THE VICE MAYOR, SECOND BY MRS. BASSETT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES AND SEE. MAYOR. GOOD. SEE? SEE, SYLVIA, OUR JANUARY 2ND MEETING. SO WE ARE GOOD ON THAT. SO WE

[B.12. Ordinance No. 2025-55, Redtail Four Brewery: (Second Reading/Public Hearing) An ordinance granting a conditional use (CU2025-0007) to allow a microbrewery use in conjunction with a second conditional use to allow for the consumption of alcohol (beer and wine) on premises in conjunction with a proposed microbrewery and pizzeria on a 1±-acre developed property zoned C-2 (General Commercial District) located on the west side of South Harbor City Boulevard, the east side of Irwin Street and south of Powell Avenue. (Owner - Wid T. Bell) (Applicant/Representative - Chelsea Woodard) (First Reading - 11/25/2025)]

I THINK MAYBE WE ALL DID. OKAY. I THINK WE ALL DID. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THE PUBLIC HEARING WE HAVE REAL QUICK TIM FOWLER. FOR QUESTION. THEN WE ALSO HAVE MARK HARRADINE FOR QUESTIONS.

ANY QUESTIONS? I DON'T THINK WE DO. ALL RIGHT. BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL WITH THE DIRECTION ON THIS MAYOR. GOOD SIR. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 20 2555. BASED ON THE FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS CONTAINED IN THE STAFF MEMORANDUM. AND I'LL SECOND THAT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION SECOND, AND WE'LL CALL FOR A ROLL CALL. VOTE ON THAT.

COUNCILMEMBER HANLEY. COUNCILMEMBER SMITH. COUNCILMEMBER LARUSSO. AYE.

COUNCILMEMBER. NEWMAN. AYE. COUNCILMEMBER. BASSETT. VICE MAYOR KENNEDY. AYE. MAYOR ALFRED, I VOTE ON MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER

[B.13. Ordinance No. 2025-56, The Office Cigar Lounge: (Second Reading/Public Hearing) An ordinance granting a conditional use (CU2025-0008) to allow the sale and consumption of alcoholic beverages on-premises, accessory to cigar sales, in a unit located on 0.20±-acre developed acres, zoned C-3 (Central Business District), located on the south side of West Eau Gallie Boulevard, east of Guava Avenue, and west of Highland Avenue (587 West Eau Gallie, Unit 103). (Owner - LJ Real Estate Holdings, LLC) (Applicant/Representative - Micah Rose) (First Reading - 11/25/2025)]

BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL. MAYOR. GO AHEAD. APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 20 2556. BASED ON THE FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS CONTAINED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEMORANDUM. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND, AND WE'LL GO WITH A ROLL CALL VOTE. COUNCILMEMBER. HANLEY.

COUNCILMEMBER. COUNCILMEMBER LARUSSO. COUNCILMEMBER. NEWMAN. COUNCILMEMBER. BASSETT, VICE MAYOR KENNEDY, MAYOR ALFREY AND I VOTE AYE. AND THAT MOTION PASSES. MOVING ON TO ITEM

[B.14. Ordinance No. 2025-57, The Collection: (Second Reading/Public Hearing) An ordinance granting a conditional use (CU2025-0009) to allow the sale and consumption of alcoholic beverages (beer and wine) on-premises, accessory to a retail food and wine market, in a multi-tenant building zoned C-3 (Central Business District), located on the east side of Cypress Avenue, west of North Harbor City Boulevard and north of West Eau Gallie Boulevard (1385 Cypress Ave, units 101 and 103). (Owner - Michael Spetko) (Applicant/Representative - Michael Hernandez) (First Reading - 11/25/2025)]

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MICHAEL, YOU'RE HERE FOR FOR COMMENTS OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.

NOPE. OKAY I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL. MAYOR GO AHEAD SIR.

APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 20 2557. BASED UPON THE FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS CONTAINED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEMORANDUM. SECOND OF A MOTION BY. ACTUALLY. MOTION BY MR. LARUSSO. LIKE FAST AND SECOND. YOU WANT THAT ONE SECOND BY MISS MR. NEWMAN. OKAY. THANK YOU. ROLL CALL, ROLL CALL. VOTE ON THIS ONE. COUNCILMEMBER. HANLEY. COUNCILMEMBER. SMITH.

COUNCILMEMBER LARUSSO. COUNCILMEMBER. NEWMAN. COUNCILMEMBER. BASSETT. VICE MAYOR. KENNEDY. MAYOR ALFREY. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. AND A PASSES

[B.15. Ordinance No. 2025-58, Affordable Housing Updates: (Second Reading/Public Hearing) An ordinance amending City Code, Appendix B, Article 5, Section 4, Affordable Housing Development, for compliance with recent Florida Statute changes. (Applicant - City of Melbourne) (First Reading - 11/25/2025)]

BASED UPON THE FINDINGS CONTAINED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEMORANDUM. I'LL SECOND THAT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND GO AHEAD WITH THE ROLL CALL VOTE.

COUNCILMEMBER. COUNCILMEMBER SMITH. ALL RIGHT. COUNCILMEMBER LARUSSO. COUNCILMEMBER NEWMAN.

COUNCILMEMBER BASSETT. VICE MAYOR KENNEDY, MAYOR ALFREY AND I VOTE AYE. AND THAT MOTION

[B.16. Ordinance No. 2025-59, Water and Sewer Impact Fees: (Second Reading/Public Hearing) An ordinance amending water and sewer impact fees; amending City Code, Chapter 58, Utilities; amending Section 58-131, Water Impact Fees; and amending Section 58-242, Sewer Impact Fees; Cost of Extension. (First Reading - 11/25/2025)]

THIS IS THE PUBLIC HEARING. NO SIGN UP SHEETS. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL. MAYOR GO AHEAD. APPROVAL ORDINANCE 20 2559. SECOND, HAVE A MOTION. AND SECOND WITH THE ROLL CALL VOTE. COUNCILMEMBER. HANLEY. COUNCILMEMBER. SMITH.

COUNCILMEMBER LARUSSO. COUNCILMEMBER. NEWMAN. COUNCILMEMBER. BASSETT. VICE

[C.17. Utilization of the City's Horizontal Directional Drilling Services Contract to construct a sewer force main from Lift Station No. 11 to Manhole 153, Project No. 32019, Concurrent Environmental Services LLC, Rockledge, FL - $212,157.51]

GOING TO BE INTO NEW BUSINESS. BORN ON. THIS IS JENNIFER SPAGNOLI. HELLO, JENNIFER. GOOD EVENING. MAYOR COUNCIL. THIS ITEM IS A REQUEST TO UTILIZE THE CITY'S HORIZONTAL DIRECTIONAL DRILLING CONTRACT WITH CONCURRENT ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES TO CONSTRUCT A REPLACEMENT FORCE MAIN THAT IS PUMPED FROM LIFT STATION 11. CURRENTLY DUMPS OR PUMPS TO A

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AND I HOPE THE COUNCIL WILL AGREE WITH YOUR YOUR REQUESTED ACTION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR THIS. ITEM NUMBER 17. MAYOR. GOOD SIR.

I'LL GO FOR APPROVAL OF UTILIZATION OF THE CITY'S HORIZONTAL DIRECTIONAL DRILLING SERVICES CONTRACT TO CONSTRUCT A SEWER FORCE MAIN FROM LIFT STATION NUMBER 11, MANHOLE 153 INSTEAD OF 152. OKAY. PROJECT NUMBER 32019. CONCURRENT ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES, LLC, ROCKLEDGE, IN THE FLORIDA, IN THE AMOUNT OF $212,157.51. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE AYE, AND THAT MOTION PASSES.

[C.18. CONSENT AGENDA]

DID YOU SAY G? YEAH, D D AND THEN H IS IN HOTEL. OKAY. YOU PULLED H. OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR 18 MINUS D AND H. I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION. I'LL SECOND THAT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR

[C.19. ITEMS REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA]

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YEAH, AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU SAID, BUT HOWEVER, MY ISSUE IS THAT HAS THIS CONTRACT EVER BEEN BID THROUGH DEMAND STAR PREVIOUSLY TO THIS THE LAST FOUR TIMES I WOULD IMAGINE. YES.

OKAY. SO THERE'S A PATTERN. THERE'S SO WHAT I READ IS IT SEEMS THAT JACK, THE NEW OWNERS OF JACK'S ARE WERE HAVING A CHALLENGE TECHNICALLY WEREN'T ABLE TO REALLY MANEUVER OR DIRECT THEMSELVES THROUGH THE PROCESS, BUT THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO KNOW. THE COUPLE OF QUESTIONS I JUST COULDN'T ASK ON EMAIL OR OR, YOU KNOW, GET THE INFORMATION ABOUT. SO I'M NOT CHALLENGING. I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE CAUTIONING ME, BUT I'M NOT CHALLENGING THE BID. I AM JUST CONCERNED THAT WE HAVE A TEN YEAR LOCAL CONTRACTOR THAT DIDN'T SEEM TO UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS, AND NOW IT'S A NEW CONTRACTOR AFTER TEN YEARS. SO BECAUSE OF AN OWNERSHIP CHANGE.

SO THAT'S ALL I WANT. YEAH. YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE UMBRELLA I'M LOOKING AT. YOU KNOW I'M NOT GOING TO CHANGE. EVERYTHING IS FAIR AND SQUARE. BUT I DON'T WANT TO SEE THIS AGAIN SOMEHOW.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YOU KNOW, ANYBODY THAT'S BEEN IN UNDER OUR PURVIEW FOR TEN, 20 YEARS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND THEY SEEM TO NOT UNDERSTAND THE BIDDING PROCESS BECAUSE TECHNOLOGY, WHATEVER. YOU KNOW, IF I BUY A BUSINESS AT THE AGE OF 70 AND SOMEBODY AT THE AGE OF 40 WAS RUNNING IT, I DON'T KNOW, IT KIND OF CHALLENGING, THAT'S ALL. SO I GUESS I JUST WANTED TO BRING IT OUT LOUD. I WANTED TO SAY IT OUT LOUD THAT I'M NOT HAPPY THAT IT HAPPENED THIS WAY. BUT, YOU KNOW, AND FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, WE NEVER WANT TO APPEAR THAT WE ARE FAVORING A VENDOR OVER ANOTHER BY GIVING THEM A LEG UP IN TERMS OF NOTIFICATION OR ANYTHING TO THAT EFFECT. SO WE DO GENERALLY HAVE A HANDS OFF APPROACH TO THE NOTIFICATION PROCESS. THEY HAD THE SAME CONTRACT TERMS THAT THEY'VE HAD FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS THAT STATED THE END DATE OF THE CONTRACT. WE NEVER RECEIVED ANY CORRESPONDENCE TO INDICATE THEY WERE HAVING DIFFICULTIES OR ANYTHING OF THE SORT. I WISH WE DID. WE COULD HAVE HELPED THEM OUT WITH THAT IF THERE WAS. THAT'S FAIR, THAT'S FAIR. BUT BUT WE WE WERE ALWAYS WILLING AND ABLE TO TO HELP ANY VENDOR WHO'S EITHER STRUGGLING WITH DEMAND STORE OR ANY OF OUR OTHER. AND I HAVE NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT. AND YOU GUYS ARE PROFESSIONAL FROM DAY ONE TO THE DAY I LEAVE. AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS NOT A REPETITIVE ISSUE FOR OUR CITY WITH CONTRACTORS WHO HAVE BEEN HERE THEIR ENTIRE LIFE, THEIR ENTIRE BUSINESS ENTITIES, AND THAT THEY GET. THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS AS WILLINGLY AS WE WOULD THINK

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WE ALSO PAY THEM THE 33,000. SO THIS IS AN AS NEEDED CONTRACT. WHEN WE WERE PROVIDING THIS INFORMATION TO COUNCIL, WE TRY TO GIVE YOU A BEST GUESS ESTIMATE ON HOW OUR ANNUAL USE OF IT WILL BE. THE 33,000 WOULD BE THE ANNUAL COST, THE 198 WOULD BE THE ENTIRETY OF THE CONTRACT IF IT'S FULLY EXERCISED. SO EACH EACH YEAR WOULD COST 198,000 OVER THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THE CONTRACT PERIOD. OKAY, THAT MAKES ME FEEL BETTER BECAUSE THEN I WAS SAYING, WELL, CAN'T WE DO THIS IN-HOUSE FOR A LITTLE BIT CHEAPER? BUT I FEEL BETTER.

THANK YOU. NO PROBLEM. CALL IT COUNCIL TOWING, RIGHT? SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT. NO. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN WE ALSO PULLED EIGHT. YOU PULLED EIGHT RIGHT BEFORE MOVING ON. IT'S APPROPRIATE TO NOW CONSIDER A MOTION AND VOTE ON ITEM D. I THOUGHT WE DID THAT AT THE END. DIDN'T WE DO THAT. NO NO NO. LET ME ASK YOU THOUGH ON PROCEDURAL JUST FOR FOR MY KNOWLEDGE, COULD YOU NOT DO WHAT YOU DO? H DO THEM BOTH AT THE SAME TIME OR SEPARATE? DO YOU RECOMMEND I RECOMMEND SEPARATE. UNDERSTOOD. SO DO WE HAVE A DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR THAT ITEM? ITEM D I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM D AND I'LL MAKE A MOTION. SECOND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE AYE AND D PASSES. THANK YOU, MR. CONNELLY. H AND I PULLED H JUST BECAUSE. IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T AGREE WITH THIS. AND I THINK THIS IS GREAT THAT WE'RE GETTING SCANS FOR OUR POLICE OFFICERS. AND I JUST WANT TO SAY OUT LOUD THAT THE REASON WE'RE DOING THIS FOR THE POLICE OFFICERS AND NOT THE FIREFIGHTERS AND EVERYBODY ELSE THAT WORKS FOR THE CITY OF MELBOURNE IS BECAUSE IT'S CONTRACTUALLY AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE DOING IT FOR THEM AND NOT OTHERS. CORRECT. THE FIREFIGHTERS HAVE USED USE THIS SAME PROVIDER AND HAVE FOR SEVERAL YEARS. OKAY. BUT THEY'RE NOT PART OF THIS, ARE THEY? NO, NO. THEY HAVE AN EXISTING AGREEMENT THAT COUNCIL'S ALREADY APPROVED. THIS IS THIS IS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TRYING TO USE THE SAME PROVIDER. OKAY. PERFECT. THANK YOU. OKAY. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE CHIEF ON THAT? MAY I HAVE A. I WOULD LIKE TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHAT WHAT WHAT THIS PROVIDES THE LIFE THE LIFE SCAN WELLNESS CHIEF. WOULD YOU MIND. CERTAINLY. YEAH. GOOD EVENING DAVE GILLESPIE CHIEF OF POLICE, CITY OF MELBOURNE. SO THE LIFE SCAN PHYSICAL IS AN UPGRADED PHYSICAL FOR THE POLICE OFFICERS. AND WE ARE TAKING A PAGE OUT OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S BOOK FOR THESE PHYSICALS. IT'S MORE COMPREHENSIVE PHYSICAL. THE LIVE SCAN ITSELF IS LIKE A FULL BODY SCAN THAT WITH INTENT TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY EARLY ONSET OF WHETHER IT'S A HEART ISSUE OR A CANCER ISSUE, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE. SO IN IN RELATION TO WHAT WE CURRENTLY RECEIVE, THESE PHYSICALS WILL BE A MUCH MORE COMPREHENSIVE PROFESSIONAL ASSESSMENT OF THE HEALTH AND WELL-BEING OF EACH INDIVIDUAL THAT WILL BE TAKING THESE PHYSICALS. AND SO IT'S KIND OF A THREE PART THAT HAS BLOOD WORK. IT HAS THE LIVE SCAN, THERE'S AN ACTUAL PHYSICAL, AND THEN THERE'S A FOLLOW UP THAT WE WILL HAVE WITH THE THE MEDICAL PERSONNEL TO BE ABLE TO GO OVER THE RESULTS. YEAH. THANKS, CHIEF. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO. OKAY. THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE YOU. SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR H. I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND BY MR. NEWMAN. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE AYE,

[C.20. Ordinance No. 2025-60 (AV2025-0004): (First Reading/Public Hearing) An ordinance vacating a three-foot-wide by 40-foot-long portion of the 10- foot-wide public utility and drainage easement that runs along the east lot line of Lot 68 of the Rio Villa Unit III plat (3093 Rio Bonita Street)]

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THERE ARE NO EASEMENT CONDITIONS FROM THE CITY THAT ARE REQUIRED AS A CONDITION OF THE REQUEST. THERE'S NO FISCAL OR BUDGET IMPACT THAT WE'RE AWARE OF, AND WE'RE REQUESTING APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025, DASH 60. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. MAYOR GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. I'M SORRY JAMES. OKAY. SO WE THIS IS PRETTY CONSISTENT OVER IN THIS AREA. WE'VE SEEN THESE COME BEFORE US IN OCEANSIDE SANCTUARY DEVELOPMENTS, THE OCEANSIDE DEVELOPMENT, THE SANCTUARY DEVELOPMENT AND ALL BEACHSIDE AND RIO VILLA NOW. SO IT SEEMS TO BE A PATTERN THAT'S GOING ON THAT THE. SO I GUESS MY FIRST QUESTION IS THAT THE ORIGINAL BUILD OF THIS HOME, DID IT INCLUDE THE POOL? CORRECT. IT DID. NO, I DO NOT BELIEVE IT DID INCLUDE THE POOL WHEN THEY DID THE ORIGINAL BUILD. ALL RIGHT. DO YOU DO YOU DO YOU HAVE A YEAR OF WHEN THAT HOUSE WAS BUILT? NO. AROUND 83, 86. SOMETHING LIKE THAT. NOT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, SIR. NO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THE ADD ON THE POOL. YES, SIR. WHICH IS ENCROACHING ON THE EASEMENT. DO WE HAVE THE CONTRACTOR'S NAME ON THAT? AND AND WHEN IT WAS BUILT, I ASKED THESE QUESTIONS. I DON'T WANT TO LEAVE YOU IN LIMBO IS BECAUSE THIS IS HAPPENING MORE AND MORE. AND I FIND THAT THAT THE BURDEN ON THE RESIDENT IS, IS UNWARRANTED, THAT THESE SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE EARLY ON THESE AND HAVE THESE ALWAYS BEEN IN THE CITY OF MELBOURNE. AND IF THESE PERMITS WERE APPROVED, HOW DID THEY GET APPROVED? WITH THE ENCROACHMENT INTO THE EASEMENTS? SO, SO I SO I FOLLOW THAT UP WITH THAT. I DON'T THINK THE RESIDENTS, IF THEY'RE HERE OR ANY APPLICANT THAT FOLLOWS THAT HAS TO GO THROUGH THIS SHOULD PAY FOR THIS. AND WHAT'S THE COST FOR THEM TO DO THIS? A COUPLE HUNDRED BUCKS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, COUPLE HUNDRED BUCKS PLUS THEIR ADDITIONAL TIME AND EFFORTS THAT ARE MADE ON UNFAIR ON THEIR PART. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE. YOU KNOW, TEN YEARS AGO, 12 YEARS AGO OR WHATEVER.

SO YOU WE'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION BEFORE AND I DON'T WANT TO ELONGATE IT. AND I DON'T REALLY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE YEAR OR ANYTHING ELSE. I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHO THE CONTRACTORS WERE. I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF THERE IS ANYTHING THAT THE OWNERS OF THE HOME AND THE HOMES THAT KEEP COMING BEFORE US HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO BACK AND SEEK RESTITUTION FROM THESE CONTRACTORS WHO ENCROACHED. AND THEN I'D LIKE TO REALLY DO A DEEP DIVE AS TO HOW IT GOT PAST US. HOW IS THIS KEEP COMING BEFORE US? AND ONLY, IT SEEMS, IN THE BEACHSIDE AREA?

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THESE KEEP COMING UP TO US. IT'S STILL IT UPSETS ME. IT REALLY DOES. SO I COULD WE CONSIDER THAT AS A SO SO WE'LL WORK ON THAT. AND I DON'T WANT TO ELONGATE YOU KNOW I WAS GOING TO ASK IF WE COULD CONSIDER THIS. WE WILL REQUEST FOR GUIDANCE. WE'LL WORK ON IT OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. THIS IS A ANY QUASI JUDICIAL ITEM. ANY DISCLOSURES ON THIS.

ALL RIGHT. THIS IS THE PUBLIC HEARING. WE HAVE NO SIGN UP SHEET. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025. DASH 60. AND I'LL SECOND THAT. WE HAVE MOTION SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE AYE. AND

[C.21. Selection of health care services provider and authorization to negotiate a contract with United Healthcare Insurance Company, Inc., Hartford, CT.]

GOOD EVENING. MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, CITY STAFF, MELBOURNE CITIZENS AND OTHER GUESTS. THE PROCESS TO SELECT AN EMPLOYEE HEALTH CARE SERVICE PROVIDER BEGAN IN JULY 2025, WITH THE CITY HIRING BROWN AND BROWN AS THE BROKER TO MANAGE THE REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL RFP PROCESS. FOLLOWING STAFF'S REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF THE RFP CONTENT, BROWN AND BROWN RELEASED THE RFP TO THE MARKET ON SEPTEMBER 3RD, 2025. DANIELLE BOYLE, SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT OF EMPLOYEE BENEFITS AT BROWN AND BROWN, HAD SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS WITH THE ORGANIZATIONS PRIOR TO THEIR SUBMITTALS, IN WHICH SHE PROVIDED BACKGROUND ON THE CITY GOALS OF THE RFP AND TO CLARIFY PROPOSAL ELEMENTS AND QUESTIONS. THE MOST IMPORTANT POINT DELIVERED BY BROWN AND BROWN TO PROVIDERS ON BEHALF OF THE CITY WAS THAT THEY MUST MATCH OUR CURRENT PLAN OFFERINGS OR OFFER RICHER PLAN BENEFITS BY THE SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2025 DEADLINE.

WITH NO EXTENSIONS GIVEN. BROWN AND BROWN RECEIVED FOUR PROPOSALS UNITEDHEALTHCARE INSURANCE COMPANY OR UNITEDHEALTHCARE, AETNA LIFE INSURANCE COMPANY, AETNA, CIGNA HEALTH AND LIFE INSURANCE COMPANY, CIGNA, AND BLUE CROSS AND BLUE SHIELD OF FLORIDA INC.

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BROWN AND BROWN REVIEWED ALL OF THE SUBMITTED PROPOSALS. A MEDICAL BENEFITS RFP EXECUTIVE SUMMARY MEETING WAS CONDUCTED BY BROWN AND BROWN ON MONDAY, NOVEMBER 3RD, 2025 AT 10 A.M.

IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBER. THIS MEETING WAS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. BROWN AND BROWN PRESENTED THE THREE MOST COMPETITIVE PROPOSALS TO THE CITY. THE MEDICAL PROVIDER FINALISTS INCLUDED UNITEDHEALTHCARE, AETNA AND CIGNA. THESE THREE ORGANIZATIONS WERE INVITED TO PRESENT THEIR PROPOSALS IN CLOSED MEETINGS BEFORE THE EVALUATION TEAM, BROWN AND BROWN DISTRIBUTED QUESTIONS TO EACH ORGANIZATION THAT WERE PREPARED BY CITY AND AIRPORT EMPLOYEES. A TOTAL OF 63 QUESTIONS, 40 FROM THE CITY AND 23 FROM THE AIRPORT. THE RESPONSES WERE REQUIRED TO BE TO BE RETURNED TO BROWN AND BROWN IN ADVANCE OF PRESENTING THEIR PROPOSALS TO THE EVALUATION TEAM FOR OUR REVIEW, THE EVALUATION TEAM WAS RECONVENED ON NOVEMBER 13TH, 2025. DURING THIS MEETING, BROWN AND BROWN FACILITATED A SUMMARY PRESENTATION OF THE PROVIDER'S BEST AND FINAL OFFERS. THE BEST AND FINAL OFFERS WERE INCLUDED WITH THIS AGENDA ITEM. THE TEAM EVALUATED EACH ORGANIZATION BASED ON THE INFORMATION PROVIDED IN THEIR PROPOSAL. QUESTIONS ANSWERED IN THE NOVEMBER 4TH AND FIFTH.

INDIVIDUAL PRESENTATIONS, RESPONSES TO EMPLOYEE QUESTIONS, AND BROWN AND BROWN'S PRESENTATION OF BEST AND FINAL OFFERS. THE EVALUATION TEAM THEN RANKED EACH COMPANY IN ORDER OF FIRST, SECOND, AND THIRD PLACE. ALTHOUGH THE CITY CURRENTLY OFFERS AN HMO AND PPO PLAN, THERE ARE VERY SIMILAR IN PLAN DESIGN AND THE DESIGN PREMIUMS ARE NOT PRODUCT DIFFERENTIATORS. SINCE EMPLOYEES VARY IN SOCIAL AND OTHER DETERMINANTS, INCLUDING GENETICS, SOME GENETIC FACTORS CONTRIBUTE TO HIGHER PREVALENCE OF HEART DISEASE IN SOME GROUPS.

LIFESTYLE AND ENVIRONMENT. DIET, EXERCISE, SOCIOECONOMIC STATUS, AND LIFESTYLE FACTORS, BEHAVIORAL FACTORS. SMOKING AND OBESITY, AGE, FAMILY AND OR MEDICAL NEEDS, AND HEALTH INSURANCE UTILIZATION. STAFF CONSIDERED THE IMPORTANCE OF REVIEWING MULTIPLE PLAN OFFERINGS FOR OUR EMPLOYEE POPULATION. LIKE MANY OTHER EMPLOYERS NAVIGATING THE HEALTH INSURANCE LANDSCAPE, IT IS IMPORTANT TO TAKE DECISIVE ACTION TO MANAGE RISING HEALTH CARE COSTS. FROM RETHINKING PLAN DESIGNS TO ADOPTING DIGITAL CARE SOLUTIONS AND MORE RIGOROUS PHARMACY MANAGEMENT STRATEGIES AMID ESCALATING MEDICAL AND PHARMACY COST TRENDS. OUR GOAL IS TO SEEK AND PRIORITIZE COST CONTAINMENT STRATEGIES. THIS INCLUDES CONTROLLING HEALTH BENEFIT COSTS FOR EMPLOYEES, CONTROLLING HEALTH BENEFIT COSTS FOR THE CITY, AND RECRUITING AND RETAINING A COMPETITIVE WORKFORCE. OFFERING DIVERSE PLANS ALLOWS EMPLOYEES TO SELECT THE PLAN THAT SUITS THEIR LIMITED OR MAXIMUM HEALTH PLAN UTILIZATION THEY FEEL BEST FITS THEIR HEALTH CARE NEEDS. UPON APPROVAL, BROWN AND BROWN AND STAFF WILL ENTER INTO DISCUSSIONS WITH UNITED HEALTH CARE ABOUT DIVERSE PLANS THAT MATCH OUR CURRENT PLAN THAT KEEP OUR SAME LEVEL OF BENEFIT OFFERINGS, WHILE ALSO OFFERING COST SAVINGS TO EMPLOYEES AND TO THE CITY. DANIELLE BOYLE, SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT, EMPLOYEE BENEFITS, IS IN THE CHAMBER TONIGHT AND WILL PRESENT THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE UNITED HEALTH CARE PROPOSAL AND PLAN DESIGNS THAT ARE BEING DISCUSSED. OKAY, ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. OKAY, I'LL ASK MISS BOYLE TO HAVE YOU GOT A QUESTION? I DO, GO AHEAD, MR. RUSSO. THANK YOU. BEFORE THE QUESTIONS TONIGHT. BEFORE THE BEFORE MISS BOYLE'S PRESENTATION. WELL, MAYBE YOU CAN ANSWER THESE AND MAYBE WE CAN GET PAST THEM REALLY QUICK. DOCTOR. OKAY. COULD YOU EXPLAIN PAGE NUMBER 449 FOR ME, WHICH IS PROVIDER MATCH AND NETWORK ACCESS OVERVIEW? I'M NOT QUITE UNDERSTANDING THAT I DON'T. WHAT ARE YOU WHICH WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT IN THE AGENDA PACKAGE IS NUMBER 449. MAYBE IT'S IN IN I DID REVIEW THE AGENDA PACKAGE. SO YOU'RE YOU'RE THE PERSON. YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. SORRY, DOCTOR. SURE. EXCUSE ME. SURE. WELCOME. THANK YOU. MAYOR. ALL RIGHT. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. WOULD ANYONE LIKE A PRINTED COPY? I HAVE LARGE PAPER. OH, GOODNESS. NO, I GOT IT IN FRONT OF ME. YEAH. WE'RE GOOD. NOT FOR ME. THANK YOU.

I'VE BEEN ACCUSED OF GIVING EYE EXAMS WITH OUR MATERIALS, SO THANK YOU, BUT GOOD EVENING.

I'M DANIELLE BOYLE. NICE TO SEE ALL OF YOU. I AM A SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT WITH BROWN AND BROWN

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HOW ABOUT UF HEALTH? I CAN PULL THAT. I DON'T HAVE THAT WITH ME BECAUSE THAT WAS PART OF YOUR THE BACKUP FROM SEVERAL MEETINGS AGO. BUT I CAN LOOK AT THAT. I DIDN'T SEE UF HEALTH OR HALIFAX ON THERE. HALIFAX IS IN NETWORK UF HEALTH. AMBER. YES, WE DO HAVE OUR. I'D LIKE TO STAY ON POINT FOR JUST A MOMENT. I'M SORRY, MISS HANLEY, TO GET, YOU KNOW, MY QUESTION AND THEN ABSOLUTELY SURE THAT THE MAYOR WILL LET YOU FOLLOW UP ON THAT. SO PLEASE CONTINUE ON WHAT YOU WERE SAYING. YES. SO WHAT WE WANTED TO DO IS MAKE SURE THAT IF YOU WERE ENTERTAINING ANY OPTIONS, YOU HAD ALL THE INFORMATION IN FRONT OF YOU. AND SO WHAT WE FOUND IS THAT YOUR AETNA BROAD NATIONAL NETWORK IS ALMOST AN IDENTICAL MATCH WITH CIGNA AND UNITEDHEALTHCARE. BROAD NATIONAL NETWORK, WHICH IS UNITEDHEALTHCARE IS CALLED THE CHOICE OR CHOICE PLUS NETWORK. WITH THE HMO, IT COMES WITH A LOWER PRICE POINT BECAUSE THERE'S MORE GUARDRAILS, OF COURSE. AND SO THAT ONE HAD A LITTLE MORE DISRUPTION, BUT NOT NOT AS MUCH AS YOU WOULD SEE WITH HEALTH FIRST YEARS AGO. ALL RIGHT. AND SO THE DISRUPTION, THE WELL THE PROVIDER MATCH NETWORK ACCESS IS IS ANOTHER QUESTION. BUT I'M GETTING AHEAD OF MYSELF AND I'D LIKE YOU TO GO THROUGH YOUR PROCESS OF COURSE. BUT THE DISTRIBUTION DETAIL AGAIN THAT SO THAT INCLUDES THE. NON ACCESS. I'M SORRY I CAN'T FORMULATE MY MY THOUGHTS APPROPRIATELY FOR THIS. THIS IS VERY VERY ENDEARING. SO I MEAN THE THOSE THAT ARE NOT IN NETWORK, LACK OF ACCESS TO CERTAIN HOSPITALS AND CERTAIN NETWORKS ARE MY CONCERN WITH UNITEDHEALTHCARE. OKAY. SO YOU'VE MENTIONED MAYO, AND I KNOW THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THIS CITY EMPLOYED THAT HAVE GONE TO MAYO AND HAVE BEEN CURED, CERTAINLY, OR GOTTEN THROUGH MY MOM TO EXCESSES. THAT'S THAT'S HUGE. I MEAN, THAT THOSE ARE WORLD CLASS PHYSICIANS AND MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS, AND WE'RE EXCLUDING THAT NOW. THAT WAS ALREADY IN AETNA. NO. NO, SIR. SO THE OPTION THAT WE HAVE, YOU'LL SEE IN A MOMENT THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL PLAN OPTIONS THAT WILL BE ON THERE 100%. YOU WILL HAVE THE PLAN THAT IS MATCHING YOUR CURRENT AETNA PLAN OKAY. AND THAT COMES WITH THE CHOICE PLUS NETWORK WHICH IS A BROAD NATIONAL NETWORK. IT INCLUDES MAYO CLINIC. IT'S ACTUALLY THE LARGEST NETWORK IN THE COUNTRY OKAY I MISS THAT. AND OKAY SO I'M GOING TO LET MY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS SPEAK BECAUSE I KNOW I'M GOING TO GET SPARKED ON SOME OTHER QUESTIONS AS WELL. MISS HANLEY. MA'AM, YOU HAD SOMETHING. NO, I WANT TO HEAR MORE OF HER, WHAT SHE HAD. I JUST WANT TO KNOW, BECAUSE YOU PUT THE ORLANDO HEALTH, YOU UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA. A LOT OF PEOPLE GO UP THERE BECAUSE OF CERTAINLY FOR SPECIALTY CARE. YES. BUT, YOU KNOW, I'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME THERE AND THEN HALIFAX. I DID NOT SEE THE HALIFAX IN THERE AT ALL. OKAY. YES. SO WHAT THAT THE PAGES THAT YOU SAW IN THERE WERE THE TOP HOSPITALS THAT HAVE BEEN UTILIZED. SO WE ALSO PROVIDED THE COMMITTEE WITH THE FULL EXCEL FILE, WHICH HAS EVERY CLAIM THAT ANYONE HAS GONE TO. SO YOU MAY NOT HAVE HAD MANY PEOPLE GOING TO HALIFAX DURING THAT 12 MONTH PERIOD, BUT HALIFAX IS IN NETWORK WITH BOTH NETWORKS.

OKAY. GO AHEAD, VICE MAYOR. I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, BUT I THINK I WANT TO HEAR THE PRESENTATION FIRST BECAUSE MY QUESTION MAY BE ANSWERED. THEN WE COULD JUMP ON THAT. BUT THE RIGHT CERTAINLY. AND YOU MAY WANT THE PAPER BECAUSE THAT IS NOT SOMETHING YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU. THAT IS THE POWERPOINT, CORRECT? GIVE THAT OUT IF YOU WOULD. THE PAPER. ABSOLUTELY. I

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SURE. AND I WILL ADDRESS THAT POINT BECAUSE THAT IS PART OF MY MY PRESENTATION. ALL RIGHT.

SO NOW I NEED A PRINTED VERSION BECAUSE MY EYES ARE GOING. SO WE DID A COMPREHENSIVE RFP AND THE REASONS THAT UNITEDHEALTHCARE WAS SELECTED. AND I JUST HAD BULLET POINTED FOR YOU. SO I WILL NOT THANK YOU. I WON'T READ THEM ALL TO YOU. BUT HONESTLY, WE HAD SOME REALLY GREAT OPTIONS FOR YOU. EVEN YOUR AETNA RENEWAL PROPOSAL WAS COMPETITIVE. IT'S A REALLY TOUGH MARKET OUT THERE RIGHT NOW. I'M SEEING A LOT OF MY CLIENTS ARE SEEING 15, 20% PLUS INSURANCE RENEWALS. AND I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE COMBATED THOSE IN THE PAST. SO UNITED DID HAVE A VERY COMPETITIVE FINANCIAL PROPOSAL, BUT THERE WERE SOME OTHER NUANCES WHICH WENT INTO THE SELECTION. THEY ARE GOING TO DO A DEDUCTIBLE AND OUT-OF-POCKET MAXIMUM CARRYOVER FOR YOUR EMPLOYEES. AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS RIGHT NOW, YOU ALL RENEW YOUR INSURANCE ON APRIL 1ST, BUT YOUR DEDUCTIBLES AND OUT-OF-POCKET MAXIMUMS RESET ON A CALENDAR YEAR, WHICH CAN BE VERY CONFUSING FOR AN EMPLOYEE, ESPECIALLY IF THEY CHANGE PLANS.

AND LET'S SAY THOSE TWO PLANS HAVE DIFFERENT DEDUCTIBLES AND OUT OF POCKET MAXIMUMS AT SOME POINT. SO WHAT UNITED IS DOING IS PART OF THE COMMITTEE'S REQUEST WAS, CAN WE PLEASE JUST HAVE EVERYTHING RESET WHEN WE RENEW EVERY YEAR MOVING FORWARD, WHICH WOULD BE APRIL 1ST. BUT IN ORDER TO NOT HAVE ANY DISRUPTION FOR YOUR EMPLOYEES AND SO THAT THEY'RE NOT HAVING TO HAVE THINGS RESET IN JANUARY 2026 AND THEN AGAIN IN APRIL, UNITED IS GOING TO TAKE THE CLAIMS THAT WERE INCURRED UNDER THE AETNA PLAN DURING THE FIRST THREE MONTHS OF 2026, AND EMPLOYEES WILL START OUT ON APRIL 1ST, WITH THAT AMOUNT ALREADY ADDED INTO THEIR DEDUCTIBLES AND OUT-OF-POCKET MAXIMUM. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF I WENT INTO THE HOSPITAL AND I HIT MY OUT OF POCKET IN FEBRUARY AT $3,000, ONCE I START WITH UNITED, THAT WILL BE LOADED INTO THEIR SYSTEM SO I DON'T HAVE TO MEET MORE OF THAT OUT OF POCKET. AND THEN IN APRIL OF 2027, THAT'S WHEN THINGS WILL RESET AGAIN. SO IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT WILL MAKE LIFE A LITTLE EASIER FOR EMPLOYEES WITHOUT TAKING ANYTHING AWAY DURING THAT TRANSITION YEAR. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S GOOD. THERE ARE A MENU OF PLAN OPTIONS WHICH I WILL SPEND A FEW MINUTES ON IN A MOMENT. WELLNESS PROGRAMS. A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS AND REQUESTS THAT THE EMPLOYEES HAD SUBMITTED DURING THE EVALUATION PROCESS, AND JUST GENERALLY OVER THE YEARS, IS THAT THEY WANT THE FREE GYM MEMBERSHIP BACK. THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ACCESS TO MORE WELLNESS AND GYM RELATED PROGRAMS. AND SO I'LL SHOW YOU SOME OF THAT IN A MOMENT. UNITED PROVIDED THE BROADEST PROGRAMS THERE. THE SEAMLESS INTEGRATION WITH OTHER UNITED HEALTH CARE BENEFITS. THAT IS NOT PART OF REALLY TODAY'S CONVERSATION. BUT WHAT WE DO HAVE IS IF YOU CHOOSE UNITED HEALTH CARE, THEY ALSO PROVIDED SAVINGS ACROSS THE BOARD FOR ALL OF YOUR OTHER YOUR VISION LIFE, SHORT TERM, LONG TERM DISABILITY AND AFLAC TYPE COVERAGES WHICH EMPLOYEES HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR SINCE I BEGAN WORKING WITH YOU IN 2021.

SO ALL OF THOSE TOGETHER INTEGRATE. SO IF SOMEBODY HAS AN ACCIDENT AND THEY CAN FILE AN ACCIDENT CLAIM UNDER AN AFLAC TYPE POLICY WHERE THEY PAY YOU AND NOT THE DOCTORS, UNITEDHEALTHCARE IS MEDICAL CLAIMS TRIGGER AN AUTOMATIC PAYMENT FOR MANY OF THOSE CLAIMS. SO THERE ARE SOME SOME THINGS THAT WE'RE JUST APPEALING TO THE COMMITTEE WHEN IT COMES TO TO THAT COORDINATION. THE DEDICATED ON SITE SUPPORT, THAT WAS SOMETHING UNITED BROUGHT TO THE FINALIST PRESENTATION AND IS STILL SOMETHING THAT THE CITY CAN CONSIDER. AND TAKE IT OR NOT, IT WAS THE IDEA WAS IF BIG CITY LIKE MELBOURNE WITH 900 EMPLOYEES RETIREES IS MAKING A CAREER CHANGE, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT HR IS NOT FLOODED AND THAT IT GOES SMOOTHLY. SO WE WANT TO HAVE A PERSON THERE THAT IS THE UNITED HEALTH CARE PERSON THAT PEOPLE CAN COME TO IF THEY HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PLANS, IF THEY HAVE A PRIOR AUTHORIZATION ISSUE, IF THEY HAVE A CLAIM ISSUE, THAT CAN BE THE FIRST LINE OF SIGHT OR FIRST LINE FOR EMPLOYEES TO CONTACT IF THEY HAVE ANY, ANY QUESTIONS ON THEIR HEALTH

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WE JUST NEED TO HAVE THE RATES AND PLANS FINALIZED IN ORDER TO GET THERE. YOUR BENEFITS RENEW ON APRIL 1ST, AND THERE ARE ALWAYS PEOPLE THAT NEED TO USE THEIR BENEFITS ON APRIL 1ST OR APRIL 2ND OR APRIL 3RD. AND I DON'T WANT THEM TO NOT HAVE AN ID CARD. SO I'M DOING EVERYTHING I CAN TO TO GET US THERE, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AT THE END OF OF TODAY. THIS IS THE PROPOSAL HIGHLIGHTS. IT WAS ALSO IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET, THE FINANCIAL PROPOSAL FROM UNITEDHEALTHCARE WAS MATCHING CURRENT PLAN DESIGNS. IT WAS 2% WHAT YOU'RE PAYING TODAY WITH AETNA. THAT WAS ABOUT A $331,000 SAVINGS. THE PLAN DESIGNS THAT I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU IN A MOMENT ARE ABOUT AN 18% SAVINGS WITH IF EMPLOYEES MOVE WHERE I THINK THAT THEY WILL BASED ON YOUR DEMOGRAPHICS, FAMILY STATUS, HOW MUCH THEY COULD SAVE OUT OF THEIR PAYCHECKS, IF THAT MAKES SENSE FOR THEM. OR THEY SAY WHERE THEY'RE AT AND THEY STILL PAY NO MORE. ACTUALLY, THEY PAY LESS THAN THEY WOULD TODAY. THAT WOULD BE AN 18% SAVINGS COMBINED WITH OVER 2.5 MILLION TO BE SHARED BETWEEN CITY AND EMPLOYEES. SOME OF THE

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I HAVE A PROGRAM THAT I'VE ALREADY TALKED TO, YOUR BENEFITS TEAM, HR TEAM ABOUT THAT IS DIRECT TO CONSUMER THAT YOU COULD HELP SUBSIDIZE PART OF THAT COST FOR GLP ONE FOR WEIGHT LOSS. BUT WHAT UNITED HAS IS THE REAL APPEAL WEIGHT LOSS PROGRAM, WHICH FOCUSES ON SMALL, SUSTAINABLE STEPS, WHICH IS A LIFESTYLE IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT COMPLIMENT TO, IF YOU WERE TO OFFER THOSE GLP ONE AT A SUBSIDIZED RATE, THIS WOULD BE THE GATEKEEPER FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS THAT, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT DIET AND LIFESTYLE CAN REALLY IMPACT YOU FOR THE LONG TERM. THERE'S A DIGITAL WELLNESS PLATFORM CALLED WELLNESS, AND THAT INCLUDES YOUR MEAL PLANS, DIGITAL COACHING. FOR THOSE THAT ARE LIKE A MORE OF A DIGITAL FRONT DOOR. ALL RIGHT. CURRENT AETNA PLANS. THIS IS REALLY JUST TO SHOW YOU ALL THAT YOUR PLANS CURRENTLY WITH AETNA ARE VERY VERY SIMILAR. THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT DEDUCTIBLE. YOUR HMO HAS A 1500 IN YOUR POS HAS A 2000 BUT THEY'RE OUT OF POCKET.

MAXIMUMS ARE THE SAME. THE COPAYS ARE THE SAME. THEY ARE ALMOST IDENTICAL. AND THEY ALSO USE THE SAME NETWORK, WHICH WHEN I FIRST LOOKED AT THIS, I DIDN'T REMEMBER YEARS AGO WHAT WAS SELECTED. AND I THOUGHT MAYBE ONE OF THEM HAS A BROADER NETWORK, OR MAYBE THERE IS SOME OTHER DISTINGUISHING FACTOR, BUT IT'S NOT. THEY'RE THE SAME EXACT NETWORK. ONE OF THEM HAS

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SO INSTEAD OF HAVING TO WORRY DEDUCTIBLE COINSURANCE WHAT IS THAT COST ME? MY BABY COULD COST ME WHAT, $4,000? OR DOES THAT MEAN $3,200? YOU HAVE NO IDEA. UNTIL YOU GET THE BILL UNDER THE SUREST MODEL. IT'S APP BASED AND IT'S LIKE AIRBNB OR ZILLOW. IF YOU'VE USED ANY OF THOSE WHERE YOU GO ON THE MAP AND IT SHOWS YOU THE PRICE AT ALL OF THE AREAS IN YOUR.

IT'S LIKE THE LITTLE STICKER $25 FOR THIS SO EMPLOYEES CAN SHOP AROUND, BUT IT'S AN ALL INCLUSIVE PRICE. SO IF I SAY I'M HAVING A BABY, SHOW ME THE PRICE THAT ALL OF THE HOSPITALS IN MY GEOGRAPHIC AREA WHERE I BROUGHT IN IT, IT COULD COST ME $300 AT ONE HOSPITAL. IT COULD COST ME $600 AT ANOTHER, IT COST ME 3000 AT ANOTHER. AND THAT IS BASED ON OUTCOMES LIKE FEWER INCIDENCES OF COMPLICATIONS, HIGHER QUALITY, AND ALSO THE COSTS. SO IF IT IS THE MOST EXPENSIVE PLACE IN TOWN, THEY DO A GREAT JOB. IT IS THE MOST EXPENSIVE. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE CHEAPEST ON ON THE SLIDING SCALE. THAT PRICE IS ALL INCLUSIVE. MEANING IF I HAVE A BABY, I DON'T GET A SURPRISE ANESTHESIA BILL FOR MONTHS LATER FOR TWO MORE THOUSAND DOLLARS, WHICH HAPPENED TO ME. AND I'M IN THIS BUSINESS. IT'S ALL INCLUSIVE, IT'S PATHOLOGY PROVIDER FEES, EVERYTHING THAT GOES ALONG WITH THAT EPISODE OF CARE, WHICH CAN BE ATTRACTIVE. I KNOW I'VE BEEN SURPRISED MANY TIMES GOING TO THE DERMATOLOGIST AND THEY CUT SOMETHING OFF AND MY COPAY GOES AWAY, AND NOW I HAVE DEDUCTIBLE COINSURANCE FOR THAT BIOPSY.

THAT PLAN IS GOING TO BE THE NEXT MOST EXPENSIVE PLAN. SO YOUR CHOICE PLAN IS THE MOST EXPENSIVE, BUT IT'S STILL LOWER COST THAN WHAT YOU'RE PAYING TODAY. SUREST IS BELOW THAT.

AND THEN THE HMO PLAN. THIS IS A LOWER DEDUCTIBLE, LOWER CO-PAYS AND LOWER COST. IT'S PRICED ABOUT 20% BELOW YOUR CURRENT PLAN. COULD BE A GOOD OPTION FOR FAMILIES BECAUSE RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE FREE EMPLOYEE ONLY COVERAGE ON YOUR HMO. WE WOULD MAINTAIN FREE EMPLOYEE ONLY COVERAGE FOR REGARDLESS OF WHICH PLAN ANYONE CHOSE. THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS VERY IMPORTANT WHEN TALKING TO STAFF AND TALKING TO THE CITY MANAGER. TO HAVE NOT TO FORCE ANYONE TO TAKE THAT LOW COST PLAN SO EMPLOYEES CAN CHOOSE WHATEVER MAKES SENSE FOR THEM. IF THEY HAVE FAMILY COVERAGE, THEY ARE PAYING PART OF THAT PREMIUM, AND SO CAN WE GIVE THEM A LOWER COST ALTERNATIVE IF IT MAKES SENSE FOR THEM. AND THEY LEARN THIS DURING THE EMPLOYEE EDUCATION THAT I WOULD BE HOSTING, IF IT MAKES SENSE FOR THEM, THEN THEY COULD TAKE A PLAN WITH LOWER DEDUCTIBLE, LOWER COPAYS, BUT THEY CAN'T GO TO MAYO CLINIC AND THEY CAN'T GO TO ORLANDO HEALTH. THE SAVINGS THERE IS BETWEEN 2300 AND 8000, DEPENDING IF THEIR EMPLOYEE, SPOUSE, CHILD, FAMILY PER YEAR. THE CHOICE HSA PLAN IS THE BROAD NATIONAL NETWORK, BUT WITH A HIGH DEDUCTIBLE HEALTH PLAN. WE HAD QUITE A FEW EMPLOYEES WHO WERE SUBMITTING QUESTIONS ABOUT HIGH DEDUCTIBLE HEALTH PLANS, AND WHAT I SUSPECT IS THAT THEY CAME FROM ANOTHER PLACE THAT HAD AN HSA TYPE PLAN, OR THEIR SPOUSE HAS ONE. THESE ARE PLANS THAT ARE IRS QUALIFIED. THEY CAN BE PAIRED WITH A HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNT THAT ROLLS OVER FROM YEAR TO YEAR. THEY PUT MONEY ASIDE PRETAX INTO IT. THE CITY COULD FUND PART OF THAT PLAN FOR THEM, AND THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION. IF YOU WERE ABLE TO USE PART OF THE PREMIUM SAVINGS AND FUND THE HSA FOR EACH EMPLOYEE THAT CHOOSES THAT PLAN, 1500 FOR SINGLE AND 3000 FOR ANYONE WITH DEPENDENT COVERAGE, THAT MIGHT BE A GREAT

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I PICKED THIS PLAN OUT OF ALL THE PLANS, BECAUSE THE HIGHEST CO-PAY IS $3,000. THAT IS YOUR OUT OF POCKET MAXIMUM TODAY. SO HAVING A BABY IN THIS EXAMPLE WOULD COST YOU THE SAME UNDER THE PLAN IF YOU WENT TO THE MOST EXPENSIVE OPTION AS IT DOES TODAY UNDER YOUR AETNA PLAN. THE OTHER COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I WOULD CALL OUT HERE IS OUTPATIENT HOSPITAL WOULD BE ANYWHERE FROM $35 TO 3000. EMERGENCY ROOM IS HIGHER ON THIS PLAN AT $600. AND THAT'S INTENTIONAL. WE WANT EMPLOYEES TO GO ON TO THE APP IF THEY'RE NOT HAVING AN EMERGENCY AND REALIZE THAT TELEMEDICINE IS FREE, THEIR WALK IN CLINICS IS $20. THERE'S OTHER OPTIONS THAT THEY CAN DO, BUT IF IT'S AN EMERGENCY AND THEY NEED TO GO TO EMERGENCY ROOM, THEY HAVE THE COVERAGE. THE HMO $500 DEDUCTIBLE VERSUS YOUR TODAY IS 1500 ON THAT HMO.

THE OUT OF POCKET MAXIMUM IS 3500. YOU CAN SEE YOUR OFFICE VISITS GET LOWER COST HERE AT $20 FOR PRIMARY CARE VERSUS WHAT YOU'RE PAYING TODAY IS 25. SPECIALIST GOES TO 30 VERSUS 50 AS IT IS TODAY. AND THEN WE'VE APPLIED MORE CO-PAYS UNDER THIS PLAN, INCLUDING OUTPATIENT SURGERY AT A SURGERY CENTER. THAT'S THE AMBULATORY LINE WOULD BE $300 ON THIS PLAN VERSUS SOMEBODY TODAY. GOING THERE WOULD PAY DEDUCTIBLE COINSURANCE ON YOUR PLAN. THE INTENT IS TO MAKE THAT PLAN RICHER AND COST LESS. SO IF AN EMPLOYEE DOESN'T WANT THE BROAD NATIONAL NETWORK, THEY CAN SEE SAVINGS ON BOTH SIDES. AND THEN THE HSA PLANS ARE IDENTICAL.

THEY HAVE A $2,500 DEDUCTIBLE. ANYONE THAT HAS DEPENDENTS, THEIR DEDUCTIBLE BECOMES 5000, CAN BE MET BY ONE PERSON OR A COMBINATION OF FAMILY MEMBERS. THIS IS IRS RULES. AND THEN YOUR OUT YOUR OUT OF POCKET MAXIMUM IS THE HIGHEST ON THOSE PLANS AS WELL. SO THAT'S WHY THE PRICE POINT IS SO MUCH LOWER. RECOMMEND THAT YOU FUND AN HSA ACCOUNT FOR EMPLOYEES THEY CAN ALSO FUND, IN CASE THEY HAVE MEDICAL CLAIMS THAT POP UP. SO ALL THE PLANS WORK DIFFERENTLY. THEY ARE ALL PRICED VERY DIFFERENTLY. AND THAT'S WHY THERE ARE FIVE IN FRONT OF YOU INSTEAD OF THE NORMAL 2 OR 3 THAT I WOULD SEE. WE DID LOOK AT SOME BENCHMARKING OF YOUR LOCAL PEERS, AND I KNOW TWO OF THE LOCAL ONES OFFER A HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNT TYPE PLANS. PRIVATE SECTOR, THEY'RE VERY COMMON. SO THE EMPLOYEE QUESTIONS THAT WE GOT WERE PROBABLY RELATED TO SOMEBODY THAT'S HAD EXPERIENCE WITH THEM.

BUT WE ARE NOT DRIVING ANYONE INTO THOSE PLANS. THE FIRST THING THAT I TELL EMPLOYEES IS THIS IS WHO THIS PLAN IS A GOOD FIT FOR, AND THIS IS WHO IT IS NOT. SO WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE ANYONE SURPRISED WHEN THEY GO TO UTILIZE THE PLAN AND DON'T KNOW HOW IT WORKS. ALL RIGHT.

JUST WANTED TO RECAP WHAT WE DID IN NOVEMBER. I WON'T READ THAT TO YOU, BUT THERE WAS

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AND I TRUST ROSS WITH MY LIFE ON THIS. AND SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS I TOOK A LOOK AT THE BENEFITS. YOU KNOW, THE I'LL GIVE YOU THE GYMS. THE GYMS LOOK GREAT. IT'S FANTASTIC THING THERE. WOULD WE BE ABLE TO OFFSET THAT POSSIBLY IF WE JUST DID OUR OWN THING. BUT WHY.

WHY SPECIFICALLY UNITED OVER CIGNA THERE. BECAUSE I WANT TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT BY OUR CITY BUDGET. AND I REALLY DIDN'T GET TO HEAR YOUR PERSPECTIVE TOO MUCH ON THAT OR WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE ON CIGNA. I WISH I HAD THE CONTRIBUTIONS TODAY BECAUSE THAT WOULD REALLY HELP.

SO THAT'LL BE THE NEXT MEETING. BUT I'LL SHOW YOU THE RATES IN THE PLANS AND WHY THE IF YOU WERE TO GO WITH CIGNA, YOU WOULD HAVE THE PLAN THAT YOU HAVE TODAY AND MAYBE AN HSA PLAN, BUT YOU WOULD NOT HAVE. THE TWO OF THE THREE PLANS ARE NOT AVAILABLE WITH CIGNA. WE DID ASK ALL CARRIERS TO PROVIDE A NARROW NETWORK OPTION, BECAUSE YOUR COSTS WENT UP BY

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BUT HOWEVER, I CAN CHOOSE A HOSPITAL THAT IS LESS COSTLY, BUT I HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DOCTOR I'VE BEEN SEEING FOR NINE MONTHS IS ACCEPTED TO THAT HOSPITAL. SO THE APP REALLY

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THEY WANT YOUR PRIMARY TO REFER YOU, BUT YOU DON'T NEED A REFERRAL UNDER ANY OF THESE PLANS. THE SUREST PLAN IS THE ONLY ONE THAT IS APP DRIVEN. SO MEANING ALL THE OTHER PLANS ARE JUST LIKE WHAT YOU HAVE TODAY WITH AETNA, YOU CAN DO A PROVIDER SEARCH. YOU CAN CALL AND SAY ARE YOU A NETWORK? THE SUREST PLAN IS APP DRIVEN, LIKE AN AIRBNB EXPERIENCE IS THE WAY THAT I WOULD EXPLAIN IT. AND I HAVE THE UNITEDHEALTHCARE TEAM HERE. I NEED TO ASK ONE QUESTION. PROVIDERS. IF I WERE TO SAY I'M HAVING A BABY, I GO TO DOCTOR DESILVA. THE PROVIDER FEE IS SHOWN WITHIN THE FACILITY FEE, BUT I JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE DOCTOR DESILVA HAS ADMITTING PRIVILEGES TO HOSPITAL A CORRECT AND WITHIN THE SAY I'M HAVING A BABY $600.

THAT INCLUDES EVERYTHING WITHIN THAT DELIVERY. HOWEVER, I HAVE MY DOCTOR FOR NINE MONTHS AND I WANT THAT DOCTOR TO DELIVER MY BABY. BUT HE'S NOT ACCEPTED AT WUSTHOF OR HEALTHFIRST OR WHEREVER. YOU KNOW, THE CHEAPEST IS THAT WE FOLLOW THE APP. AND SO NOW, BECAUSE WE CAN ONLY AFFORD $5 AND SO THE THE HOSPITAL THAT ACCEPTS MY, MY DOCTOR IS $10, WHAT DO I DO I SO THERE'S NO. SO I THINK THE APP IS A LITTLE DECEIVING IN THE CHOICE THEN BECOMES DURING OPEN ENROLLMENT YOU CAN SEE IF YOUR DOCTOR IS ACCEPTING OR GOES TO ORLANDO HEALTH. AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING 60 HOURS A WEEK ON THE STREET. OKAY. SO AND I'M NOT TRYING TO BE RUDE OR INCONVENIENCE YOU IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. NOT AT ALL. BUT I'M THINKING ABOUT THOSE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT ARE SITTING ON THE PHONE FOR THREE HOURS TO AETNA, WHICH WE DID ONE TIME. MY WIFE DID AND THEY SAID THEY COULD NOT TALK TO HER BECAUSE IT WASN'T ME, RIGHT. REFERENCING MY HEALTH CARE. SO ARE WE GOING TO BE ARE WE GOING TO BE CHALLENGED BY THOSE SAME ISSUES OR, YOU KNOW, THE APP DRIVEN AIRBNB EXPERIENCE? AS YOU LIKE TO SAY? I THINK IT'S I JUST DON'T LIKE THE PERCEPTION OF IT BECAUSE IT'S MISCONCEIVING IN MY MIND. I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT BUT THAT'S JUST ME, I WILL SAY. I WILL SAY IRONICALLY ON THE AETNA APP, WHEN I USED IT TO CALL AETNA, THE PHONE WAS DISCONNECTED. I WANT TO SAY JUST FOR PUBLIC RECORD, THAT MY OFFICE IS NOT HERE JUST TO NEGOTIATE YOUR RENEWALS. AND I WANT TO KNOW WHEN PEOPLE ARE HAVING CHALLENGES THAT ARE THAT YOU NEED HELP WITH THE THE HIPAA ISSUE THAT YOU MENTIONED, COUNCILMAN, THAT DOES EXIST WHEN YOU CALL AN INSURANCE CARRIER. IT'S HAPPENED WITH MY HUSBAND AND MYSELF. THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN WITH ME BECAUSE I HAVE A HIPAA BUSINESS ASSOCIATE AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY. AND I CAN SPEAK TO YOUR DOCTORS, TO YOUR INSURANCE CARRIERS ON YOUR BEHALF IN FOR YOU. SO JUST PUTTING THAT OUT THERE THAT I WANT TO HELP YOU SOLVE THE PROBLEM. SURE. AND I GET THAT, I REALLY DO. AND I'M JUST TRYING TO LOOK AT THE, YOU KNOW, THE KNEE JERK, YOU KNOW, OF SOME OF OUR EMPLOYEES. AND I KNOW YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD. YEAH, I KNOW, I KNOW, MISS HANLEY. HOWEVER, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS. AND THEN THE FIVE PLANS, WHETHER WE APPROVE ALL FIVE OR WHETHER WE APPROVE ONE OR. I SAY THAT WITH THE FIVE PLANS, IF THEY RECOMMEND THE FIVE PLANS, WE STAY WITH THE FIVE PLANS. YEAH. YOU THE COMPANY WILL APPROVE THE COMPANY. I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. BUT I'M GOING TO ASK ROSS WHY HE VOTED NUMBER ONE FOR CIGNA AND NUMBER THE FINANCE GUY. WHAT DO YOU THINK? YEAH. WELL YOU KNOW I MEAN WELL HE'S OUR FINANCE GUY. AND WE HADN'T GOTTEN TO THIS POINT YET TO US BECAUSE HE GOT US THROUGH BUDGET. HE GOT US THROUGH EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE DONE TO GET HERE TODAY. I THINK SHE ANSWERED THAT ONE. NO, I THINK SHE ANSWERED THAT, WHICH WAS HE DIDN'T HAVE THE SCENARIO OF THE PROJECTION OF THE COST SAVING. HOW CAN WE MAKE A DECISION IF WE IF WE DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT NUMBER HERE? BUT HE'S HERE. OKAY. WAIT. CAN I SAY REAL QUICK, MISS HANLEY? GO AHEAD. OKAY. SORRY. I'VE TALKED TO SOME OF A A A DOCTOR, HIS OFFICE AND EVERYTHING ELSE AT UF. YOU HAD A AS LAST YEAR OR THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR. THERE WAS A PROBLEM WITH AT UF BECAUSE YOU HAD A NINE, 20, 2008 PLAN, MAYBE 2009 PLAN WHEN THEY WENT TO GO RENEGOTIATE.

YOU GUYS WANTED A LOWER I SHOULDN'T SAY YOU THE THE NEGOTIATIONS BETWEEN UNITED AND

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I'M WORRIED ABOUT THAT. IF WE HAVE THAT SITUATION BECAUSE I'VE ASKED, I ASKED MY, MY DOCTORS AND ALL THAT BECAUSE I KNEW THIS WAS COMING UP. WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS ONE AND ALL THAT? AND THAT WAS SOME OF THE THAT WAS A BIG ISSUE. BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IF WE HAVE ORLANDO HEALTH OR THE, THE ONE I'M IS THAT ORLANDO HEALTH. YOU KNOW EVAN ADVENT ADVENT I GOTTA REMEMBER ADVENT OKAY. ADVENT. AND WE DON'T YOU KNOW THERE'S DISPUTE. AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE NOT ABLE TO GO TO ADVENT. YEP. BUT YOU KNOW THAT'S THAT'S A BIG ISSUE WITH US. NOT ONLY THE COST IS WHERE PEOPLE ACCESS ACCESS TO IT, BUT THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE, I'M GOING TO SAY SOMETHING GOOD. VERY GOOD ABOUT IT IS THAT WITH UNITED HEALTH THEY ARE VERY THEY THEY SAID THEY'RE ALMOST THE EASIEST TO GET. LIKE IF YOU NEED A PROCEDURE TO GET AUTHORIZATION OR PRE-CERTIFICATION. YES. THEY SAID THEY ALMOST SOME OF THEM WERE THE OTHER ONES REQUIRE IT. UNITED HEALTH DOESN'T REQUIRE IT. SO I MEAN I'M SAYING THE GOOD AND THE BAD BECAUSE I'VE ASKED THEM WHICH WHICH WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE DIFFERENT HEALTH INSURANCE PLANS? BUT THEN I'M GOING TO TELL YOU THAT I'VE GONE TO DIFFERENT DOCTORS MYSELF PERSONALLY. AND I WAS LIKE, OH MY GOD, THIS IS HELL GOING THROUGH AETNA. BUT THEN WHEN I WENT TO THE TO A DIFFERENT PERSON, EVERYTHING FLEW RIGHT THROUGH. AND LIKE I WAS LIKE, IT CAN BE A HIGHLY DEPENDENT ON THE PROVIDER'S OFFICE TOO. THAT'S A BIG THING THAT THAT BECAUSE SOMETIMES THAT'S WHAT I'VE LEARNED. IF THEY HOW DO THEY PUT THE PAPERWORK IN? BECAUSE THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS GOING TO TAKE SIX WEEKS SOMEWHERE ELSE.

I GOT IT IN TEN LESS THAN TEN DAYS. AND THAT'S WITH THAT'S WITH THE WEEKENDS. SO THOSE ARE ALL VERY GOOD POINTS. I WANT TO TAKE THE LAST ONE FIRST BEFORE I FORGET, BECAUSE AUTHORIZATIONS ARE PART OF JUST HAVING ANYTHING. THEY NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S MEDICALLY NECESSARY AND SAFE AND ALL OF THAT. IF THERE IS AN AUTHORIZATION AND A DOCTOR DOESN'T INCLUDE A CRITICAL PIECE OF INFORMATION, IT'S JUST GOING TO BE DENIED OR HELD UP.

IF THEY DON'T PUT STAT AND THEY NEED YOU TO HAVE AN MRI TOMORROW, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THAT MRI AUTHORIZED UNTIL PROBABLY A WEEK FROM NOW. THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT MY OFFICE CAN HELP YOU ALL WITH IS WHAT I'M SAYING. UNITED WAS I'M JUST GOING TO SAY THAT IN CASE SOME SOME OF OUR EMPLOYEES, NOT ONLY THE COST, IT'S THE FRUSTRATION. IF SOMEBODY NEEDS A PROCEDURE OR SOME SOMETHING NEEDS SOMEBODY NEEDS A KNEE, YOU KNOW, DID SOMETHING TO THE KNEE AND THEY GOT TO GET IT THROUGH QUICKLY. THEY SAID UNITED WAS EASIEST TO WORK WITH.

SO THAT'S OTHER YOU KNOW OKAY, WE MIGHT BE SAVING A FEW DOLLARS, BUT THE ACCESS FOR OUR EMPLOYEES TO GET TO THE HEALTH CARE THAT THEY NEED. AND CAN I TAKE THAT ONE TOO, AS FAR AS THE NETWORK NEGOTIATIONS, BECAUSE THAT'S ANOTHER BIG PART OF MY JOB IS KEEPING AN EYE OUT FOR THAT. AND WHAT IS CAUSING THE ISSUES AND KIND OF GETTING THE INSIDE SCOOP FROM BOTH SIDES. AS FAR AS WHAT THE NEGOTIATIONS ARE ALL ABOUT. THERE WAS NOT ONE WITH UNITED THAT I'M GOING TO BRING UP, BUT THERE WAS ONE WITH ANOTHER CARRIER THAT RECENTLY THEY WERE THEY WENT OUT OF NETWORK. CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS FAILED FOR ABOUT 15 DAYS WITH A HOSPITAL, AND IT WAS BECAUSE THE HOSPITAL WAS ASKING FOR 20% INCREASES TO RATES PER YEAR FOR A THREE YEAR CONTRACT. AND SO IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S COSTING $1,000 TODAY AND IT GOES UP BY 20% THE FOLLOWING YEAR AND THEN 20% THE FOLLOWING YEAR, AND THEN 20% THE FOLLOWING YEAR, NONE OF US WANT THAT BECAUSE THAT MEANS OUR PREMIUMS ARE GOING TO SKYROCKETED, RIGHT? SO HAVING A HEALTHY BALANCE AND GOOD NEGOTIATORS THAT ARE BOTH TRYING TO WORK OUT AN OPTIMAL DEAL IS REALLY IMPORTANT. AND IT'S NOT OFTEN THAT THOSE DEALS FALL THROUGH, BUT I'VE SEEN IT MORE IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS, AND I'VE EVER SEEN IN MY ALMOST 20 YEARS OF DOING THIS. AND THE REASON IS JUST IT'S GOTTEN UNSUSTAINABLE. AND AFTER COVID, HOSPITALS ARE TRYING TO RECOUP A LOT OF THE STAFFING COSTS THAT THEY HAD UNEXPECTEDLY. I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WE'RE ALL GOING TO PAY HIGHER PREMIUMS IF THINGS ARE NOT WORKED OUT AT A MORE REASONABLE LEVEL. AND SO I KNOW THAT UNITED AND UF HAD THEIR ISSUE FOR A PERIOD OF TIME. THEY'VE GOTTEN THEM BACK IN NETWORK. THANK GOD HALIFAX HOSPITAL IS

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SO IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS SOMETHING, I'LL DEFER UNTIL NOW. GO AHEAD AND JUMP IN. AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET THESE DONE OKAY. SO NUMBER ONE I APPRECIATE THE COST OF EMPLOYEES GOES DOWN DEPENDING ON WHERE THEY GO. AND I'M GOING TO BE COMPLETELY HONEST AND TRANSPARENT. I DON'T LIKE ANY OF THESE. I DON'T LIKE ANY OF THE COMPANIES. I DON'T LIKE THE HEALTHCARE SYSTEM TO BEGIN WITH. SO IT'S IT'S THE HEALTHCARE SYSTEM, NOT A CITY LIKE CITY OF MELBOURNE PROBLEM.

IT'S A HEALTHCARE PROBLEM. SO IF I GET A LITTLE SOUND, A LITTLE FRUSTRATED, PLEASE DON'T TAKE OFFENSE. NO, I UNDERSTAND THE SENTIMENT BECAUSE I KNOW AND I'VE HEARD THE HORROR STORIES FROM OUR EMPLOYEES. I DON'T TAKE PART IN THIS HEALTHCARE SYSTEM, THANK GOODNESS. I'M VERY BLESSED. BUT I HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS THAT DO AND THEY'VE BEEN DENIED, DENIED, DENIED. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THIS COMPANY. WHAT I'M HEARING A LITTLE BIT HERE AND THERE IS THAT IF WE COME TO AN ISSUE, WE DO HAVE OUR HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT, BUT WE ALSO HAVE YOU THAT WE CAN YOU HAVE ME TO CORRECT. I THINK THAT WAS A PIECE THAT I WAS MISSING, THAT I DID NOT REALIZE THAT THAT WE HAVE YOU TO GO TO.

SO I WANT TO POINT THAT OUT. COMPANY NUMBER TWO, RETIREES, WHERE ARE WE AT WITH RETIREES ON HERE AND THE HEALTHCARE? SO RETIREES WOULD STILL HAVE ACCESS TO THE PLANS THAT THE ACTIVE EMPLOYEES DO. AND THEN YOU STILL HAVE YOUR MEDICARE PLAN, OF COURSE, THAT THOSE THAT ARE MEDICARE ELIGIBLE CAN BE ON, I BELIEVE. DOES THE CITY PAY A PORTION OF THE PREMIUM FOR RETIREES? SO THAT'S STILL TO BE DETERMINED HOW IT WOULD BE SPLIT OUT. IS THAT RIGHT? YES. SO IS THERE PRICE PER MONTH GOING TO GO DOWN AS WELL? YES. IT WOULD BE PROPORTIONATE.

RIGHT. SO IF THEY ARE ON LET'S SAY THAT THE NP HMO WORKS JUST FINE FOR THEM. THEY LIVE IN FLORIDA. THEY'RE NOT OUT OF STATE OTHER THAN FOR AN EMERGENCY. THEY WOULD HAVE COVERAGE NO MATTER WHAT. PERHAPS THEY WOULD SAVE THEIR MONTHLY PREMIUM UNDER ONE OF THESE OTHER OPTIONS. RIGHT. THE I THINK THE LAST THING THAT I HAVE, BECAUSE SOME OF THIS STUFF GOES INTO EACH OTHER, I'M NOT SURE I AGREE WITH MAYBE THE BREAKDOWN OF WHERE WE THINK THAT THE EMPLOYEES ARE GOING TO CHOOSE. HOW DID YOU COME UP WITH THAT EXPERIENCE? THE TEAM HAS ASKED ME THE SAME THING. THERE'S NOT A MODEL. I CAN'T ASK AI LIKE WHERE EVERYONE'S GOING TO LAND. IT IS TRULY A FUNCTION OF WHAT IS GOING TO MAKE SOMEONE MAKE A DECISION.

THEY'RE EITHER VERY SENSITIVE TO WHAT'S COMING OUT OF THEIR PAYCHECK OR WHAT THEY'RE PAYING WHEN THEY USE THE HEALTHCARE SYSTEM, OR A COMBINATION OF BOTH, OR THEY'RE A HIGHER INCOME EARNER OR JUST FINANCIALLY SAVVY AND SEE THE VALUE OF A HEALTH SAVINGS

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I'D BE CURIOUS TO SEE THE REAL NUMBERS OF HOW WHAT YOUR PREDICTION IS AND HOW MUCH.

YEAH, THEY'RE TYPICALLY PRETTY CLOSE. AND LASTLY, TRULY LASTLY, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM ROSS TO SEE WHAT HIS THOUGHTS ARE, IF HE WOULD NOW AFTER THAT ANALYSIS, IF HE WOULD NOW PICK UNITEDHEALTHCARE AS NUMBER ONE OR NOT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND WE'LL HAVE ROTH COVERED. YOU SAID YOU HAD ONE QUESTION FOR ONE LAST QUESTION. ONE QUESTION, I PROMISE. YES, SIR. YOU HAVE ONE MORE UNTIL I ASK FOR ANOTHER ONE. YEAH. ONE MORE. WE GOTTA MOVE FORWARD. ALL RIGHT, WELL, WE'LL MOVE FORWARD AND WE'LL DO IT IN A PRODUCTIVE AND INFORMED WAY. AND SO ONE OF THE CHALLENGES I HAVE THAT I DIDN'T TOUCH ON EARLIER HAVE ALWAYS BEEN PRESCRIPTIONS AND WHERE THEY COME FROM AND HOW THEY'RE FILLED AND WHEN THEY'RE FILLED. SO AETNA WAS COOL IN THE FIRST COUPLE OF MONTHS. WHATEVER. EVERYTHING WAS FINE. THAT UNFORTUNATELY AT MY AGE I HAVE TO RELY ON CERTAIN THINGS, CERTAIN MEDICATIONS. NOW, AETNA DECIDED THAT THOSE MEDICATIONS I DIDN'T NEED ANY LONGER, OR I DECIDED OR THEY DECIDED THAT I ONLY NEEDED A HALF OF OF A PRESCRIPTION DOSE FOR ONLY 195 DAYS RATHER THAN 300. AND SO I CAN SHOW YOU THE PAPERWORK. I'M HAPPY TO DO IT. I BELIEVE YOU MAKING THAT FACE BECAUSE IT'S JUST ABSURD RIGHT FROM MY SIDE.

AND I'VE ARGUED THIS TIME AND TIME AND TIME AGAIN, AND YOU KNOW THAT. I MEAN, THIS THIS COUNCIL KNOWS THAT. SO I WAS TOLD WITH AETNA THAT MY PRESCRIPTIONS COULD STILL GO THROUGH WALGREENS. NO PROBLEM. NONE WHATSOEVER. NOW WE GET INTO THE SYSTEM. AND SO AETNA IS OWNED BY CVS OR CVS OWNS AETNA WHICHEVER WAY IT IS. AND SO 90 DAY SUPPLY ONLY THROUGH CVS PRESCRIPTION FILLED WAS THROUGH THEIR MAIL IN. AND SO IT WAS DENIED THROUGH WALGREENS.

AND NOW AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS NOW THOSE SAME PRESCRIPTIONS ARE NOW BEING NOT ONLY DENIED BUT REDUCED BASED ON THREE DIFFERENT. FOLKS. YOU KNOW, THE FRONT END DENIAL, THE END DENIAL AND THEN THE DENIAL AND THEN THE FINAL END DENIAL. SO WE'VE ALL EXPERIENCED THAT.

SO SO WHERE IS MY GUARANTEE? WHERE IS MY EMPLOYEES GUARANTEES THAT THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN TO THEM AS WELL TOO, THAT THEY'RE ON A LIFE SAVING MEDICATION FOR THEIR LIFE ALL THE WAY THROUGH. AND THE DOCTOR HAS PRESCRIBED IT. BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU CALL IN, YOU GOT TO WAIT THREE HOURS. SORRY. WE'LL TAKE IT UNDER ADVISEMENT. AND THEN YOU DON'T HEAR ANYTHING FOR THREE MONTHS, AND THEN YOU COME BACK AGAIN AND YOU COME BACK AGAIN AND YOU COME BACK AGAIN. I DON'T KNOW WHAT GUARANTEES YOU CAN GIVE ME. I DON'T KNOW WHAT GUARANTEES UNITEDHEALTHCARE CAN GIVE ME. I AND WE'VE HEARD ALL THE GUARANTEES ON THE FRONT END. I PULLED UP MEETING NOTES FROM TWO YEARS AGO WHEN AETNA STOOD RIGHT THERE WHERE YOU ARE AND SAID, WE'RE GOING TO DO EVERYTHING THAT WE PROMISED. WE DID, BUT YOU DIDN'T DO THAT AND THEY COULDN'T ANSWER IT. ALL RIGHT. SO I'M NOT TRYING TO I'M GOING TO TAKE A COUPLE OF STABS.

INCREDIBLY FRUSTRATED WITH THIS WHOLE SYSTEM, LIKE MR. SANDERS SAYS AND CAN'T. KENNEDY, I AM SO, SO SORRY I SAID THAT ON ME. I AM SO SORRY. VICE MAYOR. PLEASE ACCEPT MY APOLOGY. BUT THAT BUT THAT IS TRULY A MAJOR CONCERN FOR, IF NOT JUST ME, MAYBE A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE IN THE EMPLOY, YOU KNOW? SO THAT IS MY LAST QUESTION, BECAUSE THAT'S THE MOST THAT'S ACTUALLY A GOOD QUESTION, SEARING QUESTION. CAN I JUST TWO THINGS TO TO RESPOND ON THAT. OF COURSE. OF COURSE. EVERY PHARMACY PLAN IS GOING TO COME WITH PRIOR AUTHORIZATION REQUIREMENTS. WE ARE GRANDFATHERING IN THE EXISTING PRIOR AUTHORIZATION. SO TAKING IN THE FILE FROM AETNA AND BRINGING THAT OVER TO UNITED WILL HELP SMOOTHEN SOME OF THAT.

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THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. IF SO, WE KIND OF HAVE THIS BEFORE US. WHAT WE HAVE, WE HAVE A DIRECTION ON THIS. I JUST HAVE A COMMENT ON IT BECAUSE I IF I, WE DO NOT HAVE ALL, IN MY OPINION, THE MOST UP TO DATE OR RELEVANT INFORMATION. AND THAT REALLY BOTHERS ME. IF YOU IF YOU WENT TO AN HOA AND SAID, HEY MR. PRESIDENT, HERE'S A PREMIUM FOR YOUR PROPERTY POLICY. AND THEN HE HAD TO HAVE HIS BOARD VOTE ON THAT. AND YOU SAID, OH, BY THE WAY, THAT THAT NUMBER IN THESE COMPARABLES ARE NOT ACTUALLY WHAT I GAVE YOU BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT'S HERE.

APPARENTLY CIGNA IS NOT RIGHT, BUT THE OTHER TWO ARE. SOMEHOW I WOULD NEED TO KNOW WHAT ALL THREE ACTUALLY ARE. AND THAT'S MY REAL BIG CONCERN RIGHT NOW, IS THAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT CIGNA IS ACTUALLY IS IT'S A IT MIGHT BE THIS IT MIGHT BE WORSE I DON'T KNOW. AND SO I CAN'T MAKE A DECISION ON THAT. WE DO KNOW CIGNA'S. NO WE DON'T. SO WE WE DO KNOW. AND LIKE ROSS JUST SPOKE ABOUT WHEN WE PUT THE RFP OUT, WE ASKED FOR AN APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON. THAT IS WHAT THE TABLE THAT IS IN YOUR ITEM REPORT. THAT'S WHERE AETNA PROPOSED A 6.1 INCREASE. CIGNA PROPOSED A 4.9 DECREASE, AND UNITEDHEALTHCARE AS AN APPLES TO APPLES. NOT LOOKING AT ANY OTHER PLANS WAS A 2% DECREASE. SO THAT THAT IS WHAT THE COMMITTEE VOTED ON. AND REALLY SOME OF THIS OTHER STUFF, WE'VE SORT OF GOTTEN AHEAD OF OURSELVES BECAUSE SOME OF THIS SOUNDS LIKE NEGOTIATIONS. AND SO THAT THAT THEN IS AT THIS POINT, ARE WE AUTHORIZED TO NEGOTIATE AND DO WE GO WITH UNITED? BUT I DO UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT, COUNCIL MEMBER NEUMANN, ON IF WE'RE PICKING UNITED NOW, ALSO, LISTENING TO WHAT BROWN AND BROWN SAID, THE OTHERS, AETNA AND CIGNA, WERE INVITED TO SHOW DIFFERENT PROPOSALS AND THEY DIDN'T. AND SO THAT I, I DON'T REALLY HAVE A HARD FEELING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. WHICH WAY YOU GO. I JUST KNOW THAT THE APPLES TO APPLES CIGNA WOULD SAVE US MORE MONEY. I TEND TO BE MORE OF THAT FINANCIAL MIND LIKE ROSS WAS, BUT WE HAD THE POTENTIAL TO SAVE MORE DEPENDING ON HOW PEOPLE PICK. SHE'S MAKING A PROJECTION BASED ON ENROLLMENT IDEAS. IF EVERYONE IF EVERYONE CHOSE THE SAME PLAN, THE NUMBERS WOULD WORK OUT ONE WAY. THAT'S NOT THE SAME FOR THE OTHER TWO, THE PROJECTIONS WOULDN'T CHANGE. BUT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU DON'T.

ALLEGEDLY. MY QUESTION, THOUGH, TO YOUR POINT IS, DOES CIGNA EVEN HAVE THOSE OTHER PLANS AT ALL? I KNOW THEY DIDN'T SHOW IT, BUT DO THEY EVEN HAVE THOSE PLANS AT ALL? THEY HAVE THEM OR NOT. THEY DON'T WANT THEM, I KNOW. WELL AND ACTUALLY THAT'S SOMETHING MAYBE YOU CAN ANSWER.

SIR, CIGNA DOES NOT OFFER SPECIFICALLY IN THE RFP. WE ASKED FOR A NARROW NETWORK AND IT DOES NOT OFFER ONE IN BREVARD COUNTY. CURRENTLY THEY'RE WORKING TO BRING THEIR SURE FIT INTO BREVARD, BUT IT IS NOT HERE. AND THEY DO NOT OFFER THE THE SUREST MODEL.

WHAT ROSS WAS MENTIONING IS THAT EVERY CARRIER CAN MODIFY DEDUCTIBLES AND COINSURANCE, AND CIGNA'S WOULD HAVE BEEN PROPORTIONATELY PRICED TO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING TODAY ON THAT CHOICE HSA PLAN. CIGNA WOULD HAVE BEEN A FEW POINTS LOWER THAN UNITED'S IS ON THIS PAGE.

SO IT'S NOT THAT THE NUMBERS ARE CHANGING. THE NUMBERS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT THERE ARE STAYING THE SAME. WHAT WE WERE NOT AT THE POINT OF YET IS TO SHOW YOU THE TOTAL ANNUAL

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OH, I CAN OKAY. YOU CAN OKAY. BECAUSE I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION WHEN SHE SAID I WOULD SAVE AN ADDITIONAL 500,000, SHE SAID, NO, I'M CIGNA BECAUSE SHE PREDICTS BECAUSE SHE'S AN EXPERT AND YOU ARE AN EXPERT, THAT THEY WOULD BE THEY WOULD. FOLKS WOULD CHOOSE A DIFFERENT PLAN WITH CIGNA. THEREFORE THE ANNUAL PREMIUM WOULD NOT. NO, SIR. ON UNITED HEALTHCARE, CIGNA NO SIR. CIGNA WASN'T RECOMMENDED. AND SO AT THE POINT THAT WE WERE AT AS OF TODAY, IS THAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE UNITED HEALTHCARE AND WHY THE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED THEM. SURE. IF YOU DO NOT GO IN THIS DIRECTION AND YOU WANT TO CALL CIGNA BACK IN, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT PROCESS WOULD BE. I THINK RIGHT NOW YOU'RE LOOKING AT AETNA VERSUS UNITED. YOU'RE RENEWING AS IS OR YOU'RE OR YOU'RE GOING IN THIS DIRECTION. I I'M NOT SAYING THAT EMPLOYEES WILL ALL OF THEM ARE GOING TO TAKE THE CHEAPEST PLAN. BUT I WOULD BET MY CAREER THAT ALL OF THEM ARE NOT GOING TO CHOOSE THE CHOICE PLAN. NO, SIR. NO, NO, I GET THAT. WELL, THEN MY FINAL THOUGHT IS I HAVE TO GO WITH CIGNA BECAUSE MY WE'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH WHATEVER THAT PROCESS IS. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY TAKE THEM ABOUT A WEEK OR SO AFTER THAT TO GET EVERYTHING IN LINE. SO WE MAY BE ABLE TO STILL HAVE TIME, BUT I'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH CIGNA TO GET THE BEST DEAL. NO, SIR. WELL, NO NO, NO, I WOULD HAVE TO CHOOSE THAT. NO, IT SAYS ONE WEEK. NO. AFTER YOU GO, AFTER YOU GO THROUGH. WE ASKED FOR BEST AND FINALS FROM ALL CARRIERS AND PRESENTED THOSE. IT'S NOT THAT YOU WOULD NEED TO GO INDEPENDENTLY AND ASK FOR ANOTHER PROPOSAL. NO, I'M NOT ASKING THEM ANYTHING.

NO, I'M SAYING YOU GUYS WOULD HAVE A WEEK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, BRING SOMETHING BACK FOR JANUARY BECAUSE WE'RE GOING INTO CHRISTMAS. I DON'T WANT TO GIVE YOU GUYS. I'M JUST BEING REALISTIC ON THE TIME FRAME. AND THEN YOU WOULD BRING SOMETHING BACK TO THAT NEXT MEETING FOR US TO APPROVE. FOR CIGNA, YOU HAVE IT BEFORE YOU.

IT'S THE 4.9% BELOW CURRENT THAT WAS IN THEIR BEST AND FINAL OFFER. I'D BE VOTING FOR THAT RIGHT. CIGNA IS FIXED. BUT WHAT SHE BUT WHAT SHE SAID IS UNITEDHEALTHCARE HAS THE HAS THE IS A SLIDING SCALE. IT'S FIXED RIGHT NOW WITH THE AMOUNT THAT SHE HAS. BUT IT ALSO HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BE EVEN LOWER THAN THE SIGNAL. IF THE PEOPLE CHOOSE ON THE UNITED TO THE TUNE OF 18%. SO SURE. AND OUR BUDGET AND OUR BUDGET GURU SAYS YOU HAVE BIRD IN THE HAND OR ONE IN THE BUSH. CORRECT? I'M GOING TO. I'M SORRY, I HAVE TO GO. IT SOUNDS LIKE THE FINANCIALLY SAVVY DECISION IS WHAT ROSS WOULD SAY. AND I'M NOT GOING TO GO, BUT BUT HOLD ON, HOLD ON. BUT ROSS ALSO SAID THAT THOSE NUMBERS WERE THE INITIAL NUMBERS THAT WHEN THEY WENT OUT TO RFP, ALSO GIVING PEOPLE A BETTER IT WAS APPLES TO APPLES. AND AS SHE SAYS, WHEN UNITED COMES BACK, THE SLIDE, THE PLAN ALLOWS FOR A VARIATION WHICH WHICH IT APPEARS TO THE MODEL THAT PEOPLE WOULD CHOOSE, AND WE WOULD HAVE A BIGGER SAVING. AND WE'RE ALSO GIVING PEOPLE A BETTER PLAN. WOULD YOU? I MEAN, WE HAVE MORE OPTIONS. MORE OPTIONS. WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS THAT CIGNA IS GOING TO BE THIS, THAT, OR THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE THIS IS THE DIE HARD, THIS UNITED WE'RE GIVING. THEY'RE USING THE CHOICE PLAN. THE ONE THAT'S APPLES TO APPLES IS GOING TO BE THE THE MOST EXPENSIVE OF THE THAN WHAT WE'RE PAYING NOW. BUT AND THAT'S WHAT THEY GAVE US THE LOWER GOING AT 3.3 I THINK I DON'T KNOW THE NUMBER. BUT AS SHE'S SAYING THAT IF SOMEBODY THESE LOWER OTHER OPTION PLANS, THE LOWER LIKE THE 26 YEAR OLD IS NOT GOING TO GO FOR THE CHOICE PLAN. IF THEY'RE HEALTHY OUT THERE, THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO GO TO THAT. THEY'RE GOING TO GO TO THE PLAN AND THEY'RE GOING TO CASH. YEAH, THEY'RE GOING TO GET THE THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT. SO SHE'S SAYING AT AT THE WORST SCENARIO, WE'RE GOING TO SAVE 3.3%. THAT'S THE WORST WE'RE GOING TO SAVE OKAY. BUT IF LET'S SAY HALF THE HALF THE POPULATION OF OUR EMPLOYEES GO TO THE THE STATE ONE, EVERYBODY GO TO ANY OF THEM. BESIDES THE CHOICE, YOU'RE GOING TO SAVE MORE THAN THE CIGNA. THERE COULD BE BRING IT DOWN TO 10%. 10%. IT'S. BUT IT DEPENDS ON WHAT IT'S. WE CAN'T GIVE YOU THE NUMBER BECAUSE. NO, NO, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO KNOW WHAT EMPLOYEES ARE GOING TO PICK. SO WE WE ALL THE SEVEN OF US DIFFERENT ONES. AND LISTEN GO AHEAD. VICE MAYOR AND WE'RE GOING TO I'M GOING TO CALL THE QUESTION OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO

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CORRECT. RIGHT. BUT DO WE KNOW WHAT THE COMPARISON IS FOR SAY CIGNA AND UNITEDHEALTHCARE FOR THE HMO PLAN? IS IT THE SAME DEDUCTIBLES AND SAME CIGNA DOES NOT OFFER THE HMO IN BREVARD COUNTY. SO IF IT WAS THE SAME EXACT PLAN DESIGN, IT WOULD COST 15% MORE THAN THE RATES THAT ARE SITTING HERE. OKAY. LET ME CLARIFY. CAN I CLARIFY? I THINK THE VICE MAYOR IS ASKING ABOUT COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON. THE CURRENT PLAN WE HAVE WITH AETNA, WITH THE DEDUCTIBLES AND CO-PAYS AND EVERYTHING CIGNA'S PLAN IS 4.9% LESS THAN OUR CURRENT PLAN, WITH THE SAME EXACT CO-PAYS, DEDUCTIBLES, EVERYTHING. NOW AS WE'RE PAYING NOW, IT MIGHT NOT BE AN HMO, THEY MIGHT CALL IT A PPO, BUT IT'S THE SAME COVERAGE. IF WE GO TO THEY DO AN HSA WITH SOME OTHER THING THAT MAY HAVE DIFFERENT DEDUCTIBLES AND CO-PAYS, AND THAT COULD COST DIFFERENTLY. BUT IF WE GO WITH THE SAME PLAN WE HAVE NOW, BUT INSTEAD OF AETNA IT'S CIGNA. WE SEE $831,000 WORTH OF SAVINGS. THAT IS A KNOWN. BUT THAT'S BECAUSE THEY JUST HAVE ONE CHOICE RIGHT NOW IF WE GO WITH UNITED, WE'RE GUARANTEED, I'LL SAY GUARANTEED AT LEAST $331,000 IN SAVINGS, BUT IT COULD BE INCREASED DEPENDING ON WHAT PEOPLE PICK. BUT REGARDLESS, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I'VE SAID TO MY DIRECTORS, I'VE SAID TO MY EMPLOYEES, THE CITY STILL PLANS ON ON PAYING THE EMPLOYEE ONLY RATE. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE DO. AND SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS THAT ARE ON YOUR SCREEN RIGHT NOW, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE ALMOST 500 EMPLOYEES THAT ARE AT EMPLOYEE ONLY. YOU KNOW, THAT'S THEIR CHOICE, WHAT THEY PICK. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY'D PICK SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

BUT THAT'S JUST ME. WELL OKAY, SO VICE MAYOR, ANYTHING ELSE? GOOD. OKAY. SO CAN WE. SO CAN WE. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? MOTION, MAYOR, A MOTION THAT WE DO NEGOTIATION WITH UNITED HEALTH CARE, LIKE UNITED HEALTH CARE COMPANY, INC. HARPER CONNECTED THE HEALTH CARE SERVICE PROVIDER AND AUTHORIZATION TO NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT. THAT'S A SECOND AND A MOTION FIRST AND SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NAY AND I VOTE I SO IT WE'LL DO A ROLL CALL. VOTE PLEASE. COUNCIL MEMBER. HANLEY. AYE. COUNCILMEMBER SMITH. AYE.

COUNCILMEMBER LARUSSO. AYE. COUNCILMEMBER. NEWMAN. COUNCILMEMBER. BASSETT. AYE.

VICE MAYOR. KENNEDY. NAY. MAYOR. ALFREY I VOTE AYE, AND THAT MOTION PASSES. FIVE TWO. OKAY.

[C.22. Ordinance No. 2025-61, Ordinance No. 2025-62, and Ordinance No. 2025-63, The Preserve Multi-Family Residential: (First Reading/Public Hearing) Ordinances providing for an annexation, comprehensive plan amendment, zoning amendment, with site plan approval on an overall 17.65±-acre property, located on the west side of North Wickham Road, north of Post Road, at Preserve Drive/Pebble Creek Street. (Owner – Shannash Properties, Inc. Stephen Novacki) (Applicant- Kimley Horn; Tyler Enright, P.E.) (Representative - Land Development Strategies, LLC; Kelly Delmonico) (P&Z Board – 11/20/2025) a. Ordinance No. 2025-61/ANNX2024-0009: (First Reading/Public Hearing) Annexation of 17.65± acres of undeveloped property into the City of Melbourne Corporate City limits. b. Ordinance No. 2025-62/MAP2024-0030: (First Reading/Public Hearing) An ordinance establishing Mixed Use Future Land Use on a 17.65±-acre undeveloped property. c. Ordinance No. 2025-63/MAP2024-0031: (First Reading/Public Hearing) An ordinance establishing R-2 (One-, Two-, and Multiple-Family Dwelling Medium Density District) zoning on a 17.65±-acre undeveloped property. d. Site Plan Approval (PLAN2024-0026): A request for site plan approval on 17.65± acres. (To be considered by City Council during the second reading of the ordinance.)]

THANK YOU. MAYOR. THIS ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025, 61, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, PROVIDING FOR THE ANNEXATION OF 17.65 PLUS OR MINUS ACRES OF LAND LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF NORTH WICKHAM ROAD, NORTH OF POST ROAD AT PRESERVE DRIVE, SLASH PEBBLE CREEK STREET, PROVIDING FOR THE EXTENSION OF THE CORPORATE LIMITS AND BOUNDARIES THEREOF, PROVIDING THAT THIS ORDINANCE SHALL BE RECORDED IN THE PUBLIC RECORDS OF BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND PROVIDING AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE TOGETHER WITH ORDINANCE NUMBER 20 2562. AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, RELATING TO COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING, MAKING FINDINGS, AMENDING APPENDIX D, CHAPTER FOUR, SECTION 4.04 OF THE CITY CODE. AMENDING THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BY ESTABLISHING A MIXED USE FUTURE LAND USE MAP CLASSIFICATION ON 17.65 PLUS OR MINUS ACRES OF LAND LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF NORTH WICKHAM ROAD AND NORTH OF POST ROAD AT PRESERVE DRIVE, PEBBLE CREEK STREET, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND PROVIDING AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE TOGETHER WITH ORDINANCE NUMBER 20 2563.

AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP AS IT RELATES TO GENERAL ZONING ORDINANCE NUMBER 2005, 120. BY ESTABLISHING R2 ONE TWO AND MULTIPLE MULTIPLE FAMILY DWELLING UNIT MEDIUM DENSITY DISTRICT ZONING ON 17.65 PLUS OR MINUS ACRES OF LAND LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF NORTH WICKHAM ROAD AND NORTH OF POST ROAD AT PRESERVE DRIVE. PUBLIC CREEK STREET, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND PROVIDING AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE. THANK YOU SIR. REPORT. REPORT ON THIS IS MISS CINDY DITTMER. YES. SO THIS IS THE FIRST READING OF THREE ORDINANCES ANNEXING 17.65 ACRES OF PROPERTY, ESTABLISHING A MIXED USE FUTURE LAND USE AND R-2 ZONING ON THE SAME 17.65 ACRES, ALONG WITH SITE PLAN APPROVAL AT SECOND READING FOR AN APARTMENT COMPLEX. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF NORTH WICKHAM ROAD, NORTH OF POST ROAD, AND AT PRESERVE DRIVE ACROSS FROM PEBBLE CREEK STREET ON THE EAST SIDE. THE PROPERTY IS IN COUNCIL DISTRICT ONE. THE

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OKAY, GO AHEAD, MR. HANLEY. I HAD ON DECEMBER 1ST AT 1030 AT MY OFFICE WITH THE DEVELOPER.

OKAY. AND MY DISCLOSURES, I DID HAVE THE EMAIL AS WELL AS YOU VICE MAYOR. AND THEN ALSO I MET WITH THE DEVELOPERS AT WHITE BIRD LAW ON DECEMBER 2ND, 11 A.M. AND THEN I, I ALSO HAD A MEETING WITH THE DEVELOPERS ON DECEMBER 9TH AT 9 A.M. OKAY, WHERE WAS THAT? AT THE WHITE BIRD LAW. OKAY, I GOT THE EMAILS, BUT I CHOSE NOT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DEVELOPERS AND DECIDED TO WAIT UNTIL THIS EVENING. OKAY. I MET ALSO WITH THE DEVELOPERS AT WHITE BIRD LAW. OKAY. WHEN I WENT IN, I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT DATE I HAD TO COME OUT. OKAY. THAT'S FINE. IF NEEDED, YOU CAN PROVIDE THAT. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. DO YOU HAVE. OKAY. ALL RIGHTY THEN. THAT HANDLED THE DISCLOSURE. AND WE'LL GO AHEAD AND WE'LL START WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING. WE HAVE APPLICANT PRESENTATION. WE'LL START OUT WITH WE HAVE KELLY DOMENICO.

THEN WE HAVE R.P. PHILBIN I BELIEVE AFTERWARDS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE TONIGHT KELLY.

I AM CHIPPER AND READY TO GO. YOU HEARD MORE ABOUT HEALTH INSURANCE THAN YOU WANT TO DEAL WITH, RIGHT? I DID, AND I HAVE TO GO THROUGH I HAVE TO GO THROUGH MY OWN SELECTIONS. AND SO THAT WAS KIND OF HELPFUL FOR MYSELF, TOO. KELLY DELMONICO, PLANNING CONSULTANT. OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO I AM JOINED TODAY BY THE REST OF OUR DEVELOPMENT TEAM, WHICH INCLUDES STEVEN AND ROBERT FROM EASTWIND DEVELOPMENT, AS WELL AS TYLER AND JAMES FROM KIMLEY-HORN. THEY ARE OUR PROJECT ENGINEER AND TRAFFIC ENGINEER. CLIFF RIPPERGER, OUR ATTORNEY, AND JOHN SHEPHERD, WHO IS OUR ECOLOGIST, OUR ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENTIST. SO ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE FOR ME AT THE END OF MY PRESENTATION THAT I CAN'T ANSWER, WE HAVE OUR FULL TEAM HERE TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER ANY OF THOSE CONCERNS. SO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY THAT YOU CAN SEE IN FRONT OF YOU IS OUTLINED IN RED. AND AS CINDY SAID, IT WAS ABOUT 17.65 ACRES.

THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT I WANT TO POINT OUT HERE. SO THE PRESERVE DRIVE, WHICH BISECTS THAT PROPERTY FROM WICKHAM ROAD OVER TOWARDS THE ARBORS TOWNHOME COMMUNITY AND THE PRESERVE AT LONGLEAF MULTIFAMILY COMMUNITY, THAT ROADWAY IS PRIVATELY OWNED. IT HAS AN ACCESS EASEMENT ON IT, AND WHEN IT WAS CONSTRUCTED, IT WAS INTENDED TO SERVE ALL THREE PROPERTIES TOGETHER. SO THE ARBORS, THE PRESERVE, AS WELL AS THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY WAS ALL INTENDED TO HAVE ALL OF THEIR TRAFFIC GO TO PRESERVE DRIVE TOWARDS THAT SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION THAT'S AT WICKHAM ROAD. THE PROPERTY OWNER THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH FOR THIS TODAY, HIS NAME IS RON MARTIN, AND RON MARTIN HAS OWNED A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF PROPERTIES IN THIS AREA. AND OVER TIME THEY HAVE BEEN SOLD OFF AND THEY HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEKING TO DO TODAY. AND THIS IS ACTUALLY HIS LAST PIECE IN THIS AREA THAT HAS YET TO BE DEVELOPED. SO THIS IS ALL PART OF A LONG TERM VISION. AND WE'RE HOPING THAT BY COMING INTO THE CITY OF MELBOURNE AND HOPING TO OBTAIN THE MIXED USE FUTURE LAND USE, THAT WE ARE ABLE TO DEVELOP A MULTIFAMILY APARTMENT HERE IN ORDER TO PROVIDE FOR FUTURE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE. REAL QUICK. THIS IS WHAT EXISTS TODAY. THE PROPERTY IS IN BREVARD COUNTY, UNINCORPORATED. IT HAS A COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY ON IT, WHICH ALLOWS UP TO 15 DWELLING UNITS AN ACRE, AND IT HAS A BU1 COMMERCIAL ZONING. SO THE DIFFERENCE IS WE'RE LOOKING FOR WHEN WE HOPE TO COME INTO THE CITY OF MELBOURNE IS TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION TO MIXED USE, WHICH AGAIN ALLOWS UP TO 15 DWELLING UNITS AN ACRE. IT ALSO ALLOWS A MIX OF RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL.

BUT THEN IN THIS SITUATION, FOR OUR NEEDS, WE'RE LOOKING FOR R-2 ZONING, WHICH IS A ONE, TWO AND MULTIPLE FAMILY ZONING THAT'S ALSO LIMITED TO 15 DWELLING UNITS AN ACRE. SO FROM A FUTURE LAND USE STANDPOINT, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY MORE DENSITY OR ANY MORE INTENSITY.

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SO HERE'S A SIMILAR SITE PLAN TO WHAT CINDY HAD PULLED UP. AND THE GREEN AREAS IS OUR GREEN SPACE OR OUR PRESERVED WETLAND ON THE NORTH HAND SIDE. WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT DESIGNING THIS SITE, PLAN KIMLEY-HORN WAS VERY GOOD WORKING WITH US ON OUR MAIN CONCERN, WHICH IS THE SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD ON THAT NORTHWEST SIDE. SO WE UNDERSTOOD WE WERE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO SINGLE FAMILY, AND WE WANTED TO DO WHATEVER WE COULD IN OUR POWER TO GIVE THEM PRIVACY AND MOVE AWAY OUR BUILDINGS AS FAR AS WE COULD. AM I GOOD? YOU'RE FINE. CONTINUING. OKAY, SO WHAT WE DID IS I'M GOING TO ZOOM IN HERE. THIS IS THE NORTH HALF OF THE PROPERTIES, AND I'VE LABELED THE BUILDINGS A AND B, SO BUILDING A, WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE A 50 FOOT SETBACK FROM THAT WEST PROPERTY LINE. SO WE'RE AT ABOUT 196FT. SO WE'VE MOVED THAT BUILDING A AS FAR BACK FROM THAT PROPERTY AS POSSIBLE TO PROVIDE FOR ADDITIONAL BUFFERING. SO MOVING DOWN HERE YOU CAN SEE THAT WE HAVE AN ACCESS POINT ON THE NORTH SIDE OF PRESERVE DRIVE AND ALSO AN ACCESS POINT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF PRESERVE DRIVE. THE CLUBHOUSE IS TO THE NORTH. YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S AN EXISTING SIDEWALK ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF PRESERVE DRIVE THAT WILL TAKE YOU TO A BRAND NEW SIDEWALK THAT WILL RUN THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF WICKHAM ROAD TO CONNECT BACK INTO THE PEDESTRIAN NETWORK THAT EXISTS ON THAT WEST SIDE. BUILDINGS C AND D ARE ALSO DOWN THERE, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THROUGHOUT THE SITE THERE ARE INDIVIDUAL GARAGES THAT PEOPLE CAN INCLUDE AS PART OF THEIR RENT. ALL OF THE STORMWATER ON THIS SITE. IF I GO BACK TO HERE, ALL THE STORMWATER FROM THIS SITE IS GOING TO BE RETAINED ON THE NORTH PORTION OF THE SITE. IT WILL INCLUDE VALET TRASH SERVICE. SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS PEOPLE SET THEIR TRASH OUT ON A GIVEN DAY AND TIME, AND THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY WILL COME PICK IT ALL UP AND TAKE IT TO THE COMPACTOR. SO THERE'LL BE NO ONE DRIVING AROUND THE COMMUNITY WITH GARBAGE BAGS ON TOP OF THEIR CARS TO GET IT THERE. IT'S PROFESSIONALLY MANAGED SEVEN DAYS A WEEK WITH ON SITE LEASING, PROPERTY MANAGEMENT AND A SECURITY OFFICER, AND WE HAVE DETERMINED THAT SCHOOL CAPACITY IS AVAILABLE IN THIS SECTION. STAFF DID BRIEFLY MENTION THE WAIVER OF VISUAL SCREEN THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD. IT'S THIS AREA IN RED HERE ON THE LEFT, AND I'M GOING TO MOVE OVER TO A LANDSCAPE PLAN JUST TO SHOW YOU.

SO THE RED AREA IS WHERE IT WOULD BE A SIX FOOT TALL PVC ALMOND COLORED FENCE TO MATCH WHAT THE NEIGHBORS TO THE WEST HAVE ALREADY IN THEIR BACKYARDS. AND THEN WE WOULD ALSO BE PUTTING IN BALD CYPRESS TREES INSTEAD OF ONE EVERY 50FT. IT WOULD BE ONE EVERY 25FT. AND THOSE TREES GET VERY TALL AND VERY WIDE AND ACT AS GREAT BUFFERS. SO IT'S NOT JUST THE TREES ON THE PROPERTY LINE, IT'S THE MAGNOLIAS IN THE PARKING LOT. AND THEN THE DISTANCE FROM THE COMMON PROPERTY LINE TO THE BUILDING THAT WILL KIND OF OFFER LAYERS OF BUFFERING. SO WE SEEK TO CONSTRUCT CLASS A MARKET RATE MULTIFAMILY HOUSING. AND THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER TRANSITIONAL ARCHITECTURE. SO IT'S A BLEND OF TRADITIONAL AND MODERN DESIGN TO MEET THE DEMANDS OF TODAY'S RESIDENTS. THE EXTERIOR FINISHES INCLUDE

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ALL THE STORMWATER WILL BE TREATED AND STORED ON SITE THROUGH OUR DESIGN STORMWATER CONVEYANCE SYSTEM, AND THEN OUR POST DISCHARGE WILL BE LESS THAN THE PRE DISCHARGE. EVEN WITH PRESERVED DRIVE HAVING SOME OF THE ISSUES WHERE WATER STANDS THERE NOW, WE HOPE TO FIX ALL THOSE ISSUES ONCE THE PROPERTY DEVELOPS. THERE WAS ANOTHER CONCERN SHARED BY MANY OF THE RESIDENTS, WHICH IS PRIVACY, AND WE SHARE THAT CONCERN TOO. SO I WENT OVER HOW WE MOVED THE BUILDING BACK. WE HAVE ADDED EXTRA SCREENING WITH OUR VEGETATION AND THE DISTANCE.

THERE'S A CONCERN ABOUT CONSTRUCTION NOISE AND MASS, SO DURING CONSTRUCTION, WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORS TO PROVIDE ENHANCED TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION SCREENING IF THEY DESIRE SOMETHING THAT CAN BETTER HELP BLOCK THE VIEW AND BLOCK THE NOISE DURING THE CONSTRUCTION. AND WE WOULD INSTALL THE REQUIRED TURBIDITY BARRIERS AND COMPLY WITH THE POLLUTANT DISCHARGE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE NEED TO DO DURING CONSTRUCTION.

THE NEXT CONCERN FROM THE NEIGHBORS WERE TRAFFIC, BOTH CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC AND THE USE OF THE PROPERTIES TRAFFIC AS WELL. SO THE INGRESS AND EGRESS FOR OUR CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC IS TO BE DETERMINED, BUT WE'D WANT TO PLACE THAT AS FAR EAST ON PRESERVE DRIVE AS POSSIBLE. WE ALSO DON'T WANT CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC DRIVING BACK TOWARDS THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS OR FURTHER DAMAGING PRESERVE DRIVE. AND THEN WITH THE USE ITSELF, YES, WE WILL GENERATE NEW TRAFFIC. HOWEVER, IT'S A REDUCTION OF THE POTENTIAL AVERAGE DAILY TRAFFIC IN THOSE PEAK AM AND PM THAN A COMMERCIAL USE WOULD CREATE. AND WE'RE ALSO HOPING TO WORK ON THE SIGNAL TIMING AT WICKHAM ROAD TO HELP OPEN UP THAT INTERSECTION. THAT WOULD BE TRIGGERED BY NEW DEVELOPMENT HERE. THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT DEVELOPMENT IN GENERAL, SO SOME PEOPLE WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THE LAND WAS A PRESERVE OR CONSERVATION LAND.

SOME WERE CONCERNED WITH ANY TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, SOME PREFERRED COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT RATHER THAN RESIDENTIAL. THE LAST THING THEY TALKED ABOUT WAS SOME ITEMS ON PRESERVE DRIVE I WANTED TO BRING UP. SO AS YOU CAN SEE, PRESERVE DRIVE IS A CURVED ROADWAY WHICH ALSO CAN ACT AS A TRAFFIC CALMING DEVICE. BUT IN THIS CASE, WHAT HAS HAPPENED OVER TIME IS EVERYTHING ON THAT NORTH SIDE, ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THAT PICTURE IS NATURAL NATIVE VEGETATION MIXED IN WITH SOME INVASIVE SPECIES. SO IT REALLY DOES BLOCK THE VIEW HEADING AROUND THE CORNER UPON DEVELOPMENT, THAT WOULD ALL BE TAKEN BACK TO INTENTIONAL MAINTAINED LANDSCAPING TO BETTER SEE AROUND THOSE CORNERS.

WE'RE ALSO ADDING A CROSSWALK TO ATTACH THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SOUTH TO THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE SOUTH. ANOTHER CONCERN THAT THE NEIGHBORS BROUGHT UP THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT SHOCKING TO US THAT WE WERE WE DID FIND A WAY TO TRY TO ACCOMMODATE IT IS I DON'T HAVE A POINTER, BUT APPARENTLY SCHOOL BUSSES THAT COME IN OFF OF WICKHAM ROAD HEADED WEST ON PRESERVE DRIVE.

THEY ENTER IN AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE THE MEDIAN ENDS ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN. THE BUS WILL COME IN, PICK UP OR DROP OFF KIDS AND THEN DO A THREE POINT TURN TO EXIT BACK ONTO WICKHAM ROAD. SO WE WERE TRYING TO THINK OF HOW WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT A LITTLE BIT SAFER. SO WE TOOK OUR ENTRANCE AND WE WERE ABLE TO SHOW THAT BY WIDENING THE MEDIAN IN OUR ENTRANCE WAY ON THE NORTH SIDE OF PRESERVE DRIVE, WE DID AN AUTO TURN MOVEMENT AND SHOWED THAT THE BUS CAN PULL IN AND TURN AROUND, AND THEN HEAD BACK OUT ONTO WICKHAM ROAD WITHOUT DOING A THREE POINT TURN AND RUNNING OVER THEIR THEIR ROAD SIGNS ANYMORE. AND WITH THAT, TRY TO KEEP THAT SHORT AND SWEET. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR DIRECT THE QUESTIONS TO ANYONE ON OUR TEAM. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS? I ACTUALLY I HAVE

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THAT'S WHERE I HAVE MY HARD PART IS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU SAYING, OH, IT WOULDN'T DO AS MUCH AS A STARBUCKS DOES. WELL, YOU KNOW, STARBUCKS MIGHT BE IN THE MORNING, BUT WE DON'T HAVE YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T YOU DON'T SEE THEM THAT BUSY IN THE EVENING. SO I'M LOOKING AT IT TRAFFIC WISE BECAUSE THAT AREA JUST SOUTH OF THAT, I CAN'T THINK OF THE ROAD JUST SOUTH OF IT. NOT THAT IT'S NOT A, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT DOING A NICE DEVELOPMENT. I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE TRAFFIC WISE THAT PEOPLE ARE TELLING ME THEY'RE STUCK IN THOSE CORNERS FOR HALF AN HOUR OR MORE WHERE THEY USED TO BE ABLE TO ZIP OUT. NOW THEY'RE THEY'RE GOING, OH MY GOD, WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER APARTMENT BUILDING THERE. THEY'RE GOING BECAUSE IT'S SO MANY PEOPLE IN THAT SMALL AREA, THAT CORRIDOR. NOW THAT'S WHERE I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS. WOULD THAT BE OKAY WITH YOU IF I BROUGHT JAMES UP? SURE. HE'S DONE THE WHOLE STUDY, AND SO HE KNOWS.

BUT HE HASN'T DONE THE REPORT YET. YEAH. WHICH ONE WOULD YOU LIKE? HIT THIS BACK BUTTON IF YOU WANT TO GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN. OH, NO, SORRY I LIED, I LIED. PERFECT. OH, THERE YOU GO.

THANK YOU. HI. GOOD EVENING. FOR THE RECORD, JAMES TAYLOR KIMLEY-HORN ASSOCIATES. I'M A REGISTERED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. HAVE BEEN SINCE 2009.

WE DID CONDUCT TWO STUDIES FOR THE CITY. THE FIRST ONE WAS, AS MISS DEMONACO TALKED ABOUT, WAS THAT REZONING STUDY, WHICH COMPARED THE TRIP. GINN POTENTIAL OF THE EXISTING ZONING TO THE POTENTIAL OF THE FUTURE ZONING. AND IT IS A REDUCTION IN WHAT THE SITE COULD DEVELOP AS A MAXIMUM TRIP GENERATION. SHE GAVE THE EXAMPLE OF THE STARBUCKS. I HAVE A COUPLE OTHER EXAMPLES IN HERE. AND THEN WE DID ACTUALLY DO A TIA FOR THE CITY THAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED. I THINK THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A MISUNDERSTANDING IN HER PRESENTATION THAT IS INTO THE CITY. WE'LL ALSO NEED TO PROVIDE THAT TO THE COUNTY AND THE FUTURE FOR ACCESS, BUT I'LL GO THROUGH KIND OF SOME OF THE HIGH LEVEL POINTS. I JUST HAVE A COUPLE SLIDES HERE, AND MAYBE THAT WILL ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT THE BOARD HAS BEFORE THEY ASK THEM. SO IT WAS THE THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS. I'LL REFER TO IT AS A TIA BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF ACRONYMS IN OUR FIELD WAS PERFORMED PER THE CITY'S CODE REQUIREMENTS. AND WE ALSO MET BREVARD COUNTY'S GUIDELINES. WE DID TWO EVALUATIONS THAT REZONING ANNEXATION IMPACT AND ALSO THE CAPACITY AND OPERATIONAL ANALYSIS, SO THAT WE COULD GET TO THE ROOT OF SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS THAT YOU HAVE OPERATIONALLY BEFORE WE DO THOSE STUDIES, WE ALWAYS GET WITH THE STAFF AHEAD OF TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR ASSUMPTIONS AND OUR CONCERNS MATCH WHAT THEIR CONCERNS ARE. BEFORE WE DIVE IN AND AND DO A DEEP DIVE ON THOSE THOSE CONCERNS, IT'S BEEN REVIEWED BY THE CITY AND ALL THE COMMENTS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED TO DATE. SO THE THE REZONING AND ANNEXATION REPORT, AGAIN, THAT'S A STATE REQUIREMENT. WHENEVER THERE IS A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT, WE HAVE TO EVALUATE THE MAXIMUM

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SO FOR FOR THIS ONE, THE ONE BENEFIT IS THERE IS ACCESS TO A SIGNAL AT WICKHAM ROAD SO VEHICLES CAN QUEUE UP AT THE LIGHT. THEY GET A STOP TIME SO THAT THEY CAN MOVE INTO WICKHAM ROAD PRETTY EASILY. AGAIN, THERE'S NOT A TURN THERE. THE TODAY WHAT YOU GET IS A GREEN BALL, WHICH MEANS YOU CAN TURN RIGHT, STRAIGHT OR LEFT ALL AT ONCE, AND YOU SHARE THE GREEN TIME WITH THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD, THE MINOR APPROACH. SO FOR A SITE A CYCLE LENGTH OF 2.5 MINUTES. SO EVERY TIME EVERYBODY GETS GREEN TIME GOING AROUND THE INTERSECTION TODAY, THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE ON THIS ROAD ONLY SEE 19 SECONDS OF GREEN OUT OF 2.5 MINUTES. WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO IS INCREASE THAT BY A FEW SECONDS. IT WILL TAKE CARE OF THE DELAY ISSUES TODAY. IT WILL ALSO TAKE CARE OF DELAY ISSUES IN THE FUTURE WITH THE PROJECT BUILD OUT ON HERE. AND THAT'S ANALYZED IN SOME GREAT DETAIL IN THE TIA TO SHOW THAT THAT DELAY IS IMPROVED. SO WE WERE TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE TRIP GEN EXAMPLES AND GOING BACK TO THE REZONE COMPARISON. SO THE COFFEE AND DONUT SHOP IS THE EXTREME. IF THAT WAS THE ONLY THING TO BE DEVELOPED ON THESE 17 ACRES, EVEN THAT AT 1800 DAILY TRIPS, 260 4 A.M. TRIPS PER HOUR AND 117 TRIPS PER HOUR IS STILL MORE TRAFFIC THAN IS GENERATED BY THIS 264 UNITS.

AND THERE'S SEVERAL OTHER EXAMPLES THAT WE LIST THERE IN RED OF THINGS THAT CAN BE DEVELOPED WITH THAT BOO ONE REZONE TODAY. THESE TRIPS ARE GENERATED. THIS IS A VERY STANDARD PROCESS WHEN WE DO TRIP GENERATION FOR THE CITY AND THROUGHOUT THE STATE. IN THE COUNTRY, WE USE THE THE INSTITUTE OF TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS GREAT DATABASE THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY. WE HAVE ACCESS TO THAT DATA. WE USE THAT AVERAGE RATE. WE APPLY IT TO THE NUMBER OF UNITS HERE. AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THESE SCREENS. THESE NUMBERS ARE PART OF A REALLY BIG DATABASE. THIS ISN'T SOMETHING WE'RE GUESSING AT. OKAY. I HOPE THAT HELPS. ANSWER I'M JUST LOOKING AT IT WHEN YOU DON'T WHERE MY OFFICE IS. LIKE I SAID, I'VE BEEN THERE FOREVER AND EVER. I HAVE A TURNING LANE TO GET INTO WHERE MY OFFICE IS. AND I'M LOOKING AT YOUR FAST FOOD. I HAVE FAST FOOD RIGHT NEXT TO, I GUESS YOU WOULD CALL IT A FAST FOOD. WHAT IS IT? JERSEY, NOT JERSEY. JOE. JOHN.

JIMMY. YEAH. JIMMY. JOHN'S. IF THEY GOT THE 2241, IT'S LOOKING OUT THE WINDOW. AND I CAN'T EVEN BECAUSE I SEE IT EVERY DAY THAT. THEY WOULD LOVE THAT TO HAVE THAT KIND OF YOU KNOW I THINK THAT'S NOT REALISTIC. TRIPS PER DAY IN THERE. I DON'T SEE THEM HAVING THAT KIND OF TRAFFIC IN AS A FAST FOOD. I, I KNOW THAT THERE WAS MARYLAND FRIED CHICKEN, WHICH PROBABLY EVEN HAD MORE TRAFFIC IN THERE AT WHAT YOU SORRY, YOU DON'T KNOW MARYLAND FRIED CHICKEN. A LOT OF US, A LOT OF US HERE. I KNOW THE MAYOR KNOWS MARYLAND FRIED CHICKEN. THAT THAT WAS A WELL ESTABLISHED BUSINESS THERE. YEAH, THEY WOULD HAVE LIKED THAT 2241. THEY WOULD PROBABLY STILL BE THERE TODAY. I DON'T THINK THAT'S REALISTIC. WHAT YOU'RE YOU'RE GIVING YOU'RE

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THAT'S WHERE I HAVE A PROBLEM IS THE TRAFFIC. AND YOU DON'T HAVE THE TURNING LANES. THAT'S THAT'S A BIG PROBLEM. YOU'RE LOOKING AT ANOTHER 300 UNITS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S 300 GOING IN AND 300 GOING OUT. THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, MORNING AND NOON. THAT'S NOT THE REGULAR, YOU KNOW. OH, I FORGOT SOMETHING GOING RUNNING AROUND. THAT'S WHERE I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS. THAT'S A BIG ISSUE WITH ME IS THE TRAFFIC THERE. MY MY QUESTION FOR YOU, MISS HALEY.

JUST A THOUGHT FROM YOU. IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT THAT PROPERTY IN IT FOR SALE, WHAT WOULD YOU SUGGEST TO GO ON THAT PROPERTY? MAYBE NOT SO MANY HOMES GOING ON THERE. YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S YOU'RE LOOKING AT. THIS IS A LARGE PROJECT. I'M NOT SAYING THERE'S NOTHING, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT LARGE OF A PROJECT BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC THERE IS. SO CAN, YOU KNOW, CONDENSED IN THAT QUARTER, EVERYTHING GOES RIGHT INTO THAT WICKHAM WICKHAM ROAD IS OUR THING. YOU GOT TO THE WEST AND THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE GROWTH OVER THERE NO MATTER WHAT. TO THE WEST OF WICKHAM ROAD, THERE'S OTHER GROWTH TO THE EAST SIDE A LITTLE BIT. I'M NOT NOT AS MUCH AS THE WESTERN SIDE OF IT. THAT'S WHERE I'M LOOKING AT. I'M NOT LOOKING AT YOUR YOUR DESIGNS, YOUR LAYOUT. I'M LOOKING AT THE TRAFFIC LAYOUTS THERE. AND I DON'T THINK YOU'RE USING THE FAST FOODS AND ALL THAT. I DON'T SEE IT. AND I'VE BEEN THERE. LIKE I SAID, I LIVE ON THAT ROAD. THAT'S WHERE I'M HAVING AN ISSUE WITH. IS YOUR TRAFFIC REPORTS HERE? I THINK THEY'RE A LITTLE SKEWED. DOING THE TRIPS AND ALL THAT. LIKE THE FAST FOOD RESTAURANT. GOD, THEY WOULD LOVE THAT MANY TRIPS, I'M TELLING YOU. OKAY, SO SO ANY ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE THE APP? IF I COULD REPLY. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. SO I GUESS JUST GETTING BACK TO THE FACT THAT THESE NUMBERS ARE NOT ANYTHING THAT IS ESTIMATED IN A BUBBLE. THESE ARE NUMBERS THAT COME FROM EMPIRICAL DATA, FROM OTHER FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS, FROM OTHER COFFEE SHOPS, FROM OTHER MULTIFAMILIES. THESE ARE NUMBERS THAT ARE USED THROUGHOUT OUR INDUSTRY.

THEY'RE APPROVED BY YOUR STAFF FOR USES IN THE STUDIES BY DOT, BY THE COUNTY. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT OTHER ASSURANCES I CAN PROVIDE, BUT WE WE NEED TO BE TALKING TO STAFF. AND I AND I THINK WE HAVE A GREAT STAFF HERE. THOSE NUMBERS JUST DON'T SEEM REALISTIC. WELL I DEAL WITH THE BUSINESSES SO. WELL OKAY. WELL I, YOU KNOW, OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE TRAFFIC REGARDING THE TRAFFIC OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. AND I'D LIKE TO RESERVE SOME TIME TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AFTER. WELL YEAH. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS PLEASE. I APPRECIATE ALL OF Y'ALL BEING HERE AND STAYING HERE SO LATE AND AND AGAIN. SURE. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. WE HAVE ALSO OUR PAUL HILBORN. HILBURN. HILBURN. YES, SIR. HI. UN. MY PRINTING IS HORRIBLE. COULD BE MY GLASSES I DON'T THAT'S FINE I SAID MY PRINTING IS TERRIBLE. COULD BE MY GLASSES THOUGH TOO. OKAY. THANK YOU. I LIVE AT 3285 ARDEN CIRCLE. IF WE COULD LEAVE THIS UP HERE FOR A MOMENT. I'VE LIVED THERE 12 YEARS. IT'S THAT COMMUNITY THAT'S JUST TO THE WEST OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD, THE HOA BOARD, SEVERAL TIMES. I'M ON THE FINANCE COMMITTEE. WE HAD SEVERAL ATTENDEES AT THE DEVELOPMENT MEETING. WE HAD 4 OR 5 AT THE CITY COUNCIL PLANNING MEETING. I'M SORRY. I'LL SPEAK YOUR MIND.

YOU CAN PULL UP. YOU CAN JUST PULL THE MIC, PULL ON THE MIC. YOU CAN PULL IT UP. OKAY. THERE

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SO I COULD DO THE MATH ON ARBY'S, AND I COULD THINK ABOUT A DONUT SHOP GETTING 1800 PEOPLE. I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT. I JUST THE MATH DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME AT ALL. AND WHEN YOU ASK THE QUESTION, WHAT DID THE COMMUNITY THINK WOULD GO IN THERE? MOST OF THE COMMUNITY REALIZED THAT WAS COMMERCIAL SPACE AND IT WAS ZONED FOR COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. WE EXPECTED SHOPS OR OFFICE COMPLEXES FOR SERVICES THAT THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY COULD ENJOY. AND ACTUALLY BY PUTTING SERVICES OR OFFICES THERE, THAT'S GOING TO PULL TRAFFIC OFF OF WICKHAM ROAD. THE COMMUNITY IS GOING TO USE THOSE SPACES. IT'S NOT GOING TO PUT 400 MORE CARS IN A PARKING LOT TO GO OUT, PRESERVE, DRIVE AND THEN GO ON TO WICKHAM ROAD. I'M ON THE ROAD EVERY DAY. FROM POST ROAD TO PINEDA IS A PARKING LOT. PINEDA IS CURRENTLY SPENDING, I THINK, $900,000 TO EXTEND THE TURN LANES, TO GO ON TO THE CAUSEWAY AND THE TURN LANES TO GET TO 95. THAT'S GOING TO HELP A LITTLE BIT. BUT AS SOON AS THAT CONSTRUCTION IS COMPLETED, I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE WHAT THESE 400 CARS ARE GOING TO DO TO WHAT WE'VE ALREADY GOT, WHICH IS A PARKING LOT AT 8:00, A PARKING LOT AT NOON, AND A PARKING LOT AT PROBABLY 430 TO 630 AT NIGHT. LONGLEAF ELEMENTARY IS VERY CLOSE.

PINEAPPLE ACADEMY IS ACROSS THE STREET. FIRST BAPTIST SCHOOL IS ALSO RIGHT THERE, JUST WITH THE NUMBER OF PARENTS GETTING KIDS TO SCHOOL, THE BUS COMING THROUGH, PEOPLE TRYING TO GET TO WORK, IT'S GOING TO BE A NIGHTMARE. COULD WE GET THE PICTURE OF THE DIAGRAM THAT HAS PRESERVED DRIVE ON IT FROM EITHER THE FIRST PRESENTATION OR THIS PRESENTATION, BUT THAT ONE, THAT ONE? GOOD, SIR, IT IS GOOD, EXCEPT IT REALLY MISREPRESENTS THE NARROWNESS AND THE CURVINESS OF THAT ROAD. I WISH SOME OF THE COUNCIL COULD DRIVE THAT ROAD. THEY DID MENTION THERE IS A WILDLIFE OR WILD PRESERVE ON ONE SIDE OF IT. THEY TALKED ABOUT A BLIND CORNER. THE BLIND CORNER ISN'T AFFECTED. IT'S THE FACT THAT THERE IS CURBING THE ENTIRE STRETCH. SO IF YOU SAW THESE CURBS ARE ABOUT THIS BIG, THEY'RE GOOD AT KEEPING THE TORTOISES FROM GOING IN THE ROAD, BUT YOU'LL SEE BLACK MARKS ALL THE WAY ON ALL THE CURBS SO PEOPLE CAN SEE ENOUGH OF THE CURVE TO GET AROUND IT. BUT THEY'RE TRYING TO NEGOTIATE THESE CURVES. THE OTHER THING IS IT LOOKS MUCH WIDER IN THIS PICTURE. IT'S A VERY NARROW PRIVATE ROAD. WHEN THEY ORIGINALLY CAME AND TALKED TO THE COMMUNITY, THEY SAID, OH, BUT WE PULLED POLICE RECORDS. THERE'S NO ACCIDENTS. WELL, IT'S A PRIVATE ROAD. AND USUALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS SOMEBODY RUNS OFF THE ROAD, TAKES OUT A LIGHT POST, GOES OFF, OR IF IT'S A FENDER BENDER, THEY SETTLE UP INSURANCE AND THEY LEAVE. IT'S A PRIVATE ROAD.

MELBOURNE PD REALLY DOESN'T PATROL THE ROAD. A LOT OF THE ACCIDENTS DON'T GET REPORTED, BUT THERE ARE ACCIDENTS ON THAT ROAD EVEN NOW, BEFORE 400 ADDITIONAL CARS. WE DID FILE A PETITION AND I'M VERY CURIOUS. THE PERSON THAT PRESENTED THE INFORMATION. WE HAVE 110 TOWNHOMES IN THAT COMMUNITY. WE STARTED OFF THE PETITION THINKING WE WERE GOING TO EACH TOWNHOME AND GET A SIGNATURE. SO WE'RE HOPING TO GET 80 TO 90 NAMES ON IT. BUT WITH THE 500 FOOT RESTRICTION, I THINK THAT MEANT ONLY 39 OF OUR TOWNHOMES WERE WITHIN THE 500FT. I THINK WE GOT ABOUT 36 OR 37 SIGNATURES ON THE PETITION, SO I'M NOT SURE HOW IT COULD BE 0.03% OF THE POPULATION WITHIN 500FT. CAN I HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME SINCE THEY HAD A LOT OF TIME? ABSOLUTELY, SIR. SO OUR PRIMARY CONCERNS ARE NUMBER ONE, SAFETY ON PRESERVE DRIVE.

NUMBER TWO, THE FACT THAT WICKHAM ROAD IS ALREADY OVERCAPACITY IN THE CURRENT STATE, ADDING 400 MORE CARS ONTO THAT OVERCROWDED WICKHAM ROAD. WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE

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THERE'S BEEN SO MUCH GROWTH IN THAT AREA IN THE LAST 20 YEARS. WHEN WE HAVE BAD STORMS, OUR RETENTION POND FILLS UP, THE WEIR IS FULL, WE CAN'T GET ANY MORE WATER OUT. SO DRAINAGE IS A CONCERN OF THE COMMUNITY AND QUALITY OF LIFE. SO UNLIKE THE OTHER APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT WAS JUST BUILT ACROSS FROM WICKHAM PARK, IT'S SET WELL BACK AWAY FROM THE ROAD. THIS IS RIGHT ON THE ROAD, AND IT LOOKS BACK AT OUR COMMUNITY AT 45 OR 50FT. THEY'VE OFFERED TO PUT IN A BALD CYPRESS TREES. YOU KNOW HOW LONG IT TAKES A BALD CYPRESS TREE TO REACH MATURITY AND GROW THAT HIGH 20 YEARS? SO FOR THE NEXT 10 TO 15 YEARS, WE'VE GOT APARTMENT PEOPLE LOOKING DOWN IN OUR BACKYARDS. I COULD SAY MORE, BUT BASICALLY WE DON'T BELIEVE THEIR TRAFFIC NUMBERS. EVEN IF YOU CAN'T GET IN THE MATH THAT'S IN THE SPREADSHEET, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST MORE CARS GOING ON WICKHAM ROAD BETWEEN POST AND PINEDA, WHERE THERE'S SCHOOLS AND THERE'S ALREADY OVER CAPACITY. I COULD SAY MORE, BUT I THINK WE'VE COVERED THE HIGHLIGHTS AND HOW HOW CAN I GET ANY MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE PETITION? BECAUSE I BELIEVE WE FOLLOWED THE CORRECT PROCESS FOR THE PETITION. I BELIEVE THE 500FT CONSUMES OUR COMMUNITY AND ONLY A FEW COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD. I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO GET AN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION. THANK YOU. SO THE CALCULATION ON THE PETITION IS AN ACREAGE PROPERTY BASED CALCULATION. SO JUST BECAUSE THERE ARE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF TOWNHOMES THAT DOESN'T REALLY PLAY INTO IT, IT'S THE ACREAGE OF THE THE TOWNHOMES, THAT CUMULATIVE AMOUNT OF ACREAGE VERSUS THE OTHER ACREAGE OF THE LARGER PARCELS THAT ARE IN THAT 500 FOOT AREA. SO THAT'S THE ONLY APPLICABILITY. SO IF I THINK ABOUT LIKE JENNA'S PIZZA AND THERE'S AN ICE CREAM SHOP ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD, ARE YOU INCLUDING THAT IN THE CALCULATION? IF IT'S WITHIN THE 500 FOOT RADIUS, YES. SO ARE WE ALLOWED TO REVISE OUR PETITION? NO. YOU'RE NOT NOBODY AT THE COUNTY OR THE CITY RATHER TOLD US ANYTHING ABOUT HOW THIS CALCULATION WAS DONE. OUR STAFF DID EXPLAIN IT TO THE PERSON THAT CAME IN TO MAKE SURE THEY UNDERSTOOD IT WAS AN ACREAGE BASE. HOW MANY HOW MANY RESIDENTS SIGNED THE PETITION? I DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME TONIGHT BECAUSE IT'S NOT YET APPLICABLE. IT'S A SECOND READING THAT IT BECOMES APPLICABLE. BUT IF YOU WANT TO REACH OUT TO OUR OFFICE TOMORROW, WE CAN PROVIDE YOU WITH THAT INFORMATION. I WOULD LIKE TO. IS THERE ANY WAY THAT THE COUNCIL COULD SEE CLEAR TO LETTING US REVISE OUR PETITION? NOW THAT WE UNDERSTAND IT'S WRITTEN ACREAGE BASED THING IN THAT LANGUAGE IN CITY CODE, AND IT WOULD COME BACK TO SECOND READING. SO BUT THE BUT THE DEADLINES FOR SUBMISSION ARE IN ARE IN CITY CODE. YEAH, YEAH.

HOW LONG DO WE HAVE TO SUBMIT THE PETITION. THE PETITION WAS ALREADY SUBMITTED. SO THAT TIME WE STILL. BUT I THINK THERE'S STILL A WINDOW. NO, THE WINDOW, THE WINDOW CLOSED AND THE WINDOW CLOSES WHEN YOU SUBMIT THE PETITION ANYWAY. SO EVEN IF YOU HAD 15 DAYS AND YOU SUBMITTED IT ON DAY TWO, YOU CLOSED THE WINDOW. OKAY, OKAY. THERE ARE PROCESSES FOR REMOVING NAMES, BUT THERE'S NO PROCESS FOR ADDING NAMES. OKAY. WELL. BASED ON ACREAGE VERSUS NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY, THAT JUST SOUNDS ODD. YEAH. WE HAVE MORE PEOPLE IN OUR SMALL AREA THAN THE REST OF THE ACREAGE THAT'S IN THE 500FT. THE FINAL THING, BUT UNDERSTAND, IF YOU IF YOU HAD A IF YOU HAD FIVE PEOPLE IN LIKE AN EIGHTH OF AN ACRE AND SOMEBODY ACROSS THE STREET OWNED TEN ACRES, YOU WOULDN'T OUTNUMBER THEM BECAUSE IT'S ALL ABOUT ACREAGE. DOES

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THEN YOU GO IN THE APARTMENTS, IT KEEPS GOING AND IT ENDS UP AT THE BACK END OF LONGLEAF ELEMENTARY. WHEN THEY SAID THAT, THE BUILDER ALWAYS ENVISIONED THAT THIS PROPERTY, THIS ROAD, COULD HANDLE THAT MUCH TRAFFIC, I THINK WHAT THE BUILDER THOUGHT ORIGINALLY WAS WICKHAM ROAD'S NOT THAT CROWDED, AND THERE WOULD BE A BACK WAY TO GET OUT OF THE OF THE PROPERTY.

THAT'S NOT THE CASE BECAUSE LONGLEAF IS THERE, AND EVEN THOUGH LONGLEAF HAS A ROAD THAT GOES OUT TO WICKHAM, THERE'S A GATE THERE YOU COULD WALK THROUGH AS A PEDESTRIAN, BUT YOU CANNOT USE A CAR TO NAVIGATE THROUGH. RIGHT. SO OUR KIND OF OUR BIGGEST OVERARCHING CONCERN AFTER TRAFFIC IS SAFETY, EMERGENCY RESPONDERS, IF THERE'S SOME SORT OF TRAFFIC SNARL, OR I CAN TELL YOU THAT OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT IS AN ISO ONE, WHICH IS IN IT'S THE THE FASTEST IN THE IN THE UNITED STATES, THEY WERE FAST. THERE WAS LAST 3 OR 4. JIMMY JOHN.

BUT MY POINT IS THERE'S ONE WAY AND ONE WAY OUT ON A VERY NARROW STREET. IF THERE'S A TRAFFIC ACCIDENT BECAUSE OF 400 MORE CARS AND OH MY GOD, WE HAVE AN EMERGENCY SITUATION.

NOBODY'S GETTING IN. YEAH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, SO THAT'S THE END OF PUBLIC COMMENTS. I'M GOING TO BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL FOR IF WE HAVE A DIRECTION ON THIS THEY'RE GOOD. SIR, I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT WICKHAM ROAD IN THAT AREA AND THE I-95 PROPOSAL AND THE THE CONSTRUCTION IS GOING ON UP THERE. THAT'S A NUMBER OF MILES UP, AND IT'S A NUMBER MILES WEST FROM WICKHAM ROAD ITSELF. AND I GET IT. I WAS THE YOUNG MAN. THERE HE IS. ALL RIGHT. AND I GET I'M ON THE ROAD ALL DAY, ALL DAY. AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT JENNA WOULD NEVER SIGN IT BECAUSE THEY'RE A HUGE CUSTOMER OF OURS. AND THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO GET 200 PLUS MORE CUSTOMERS, I DON'T SEE THEM SIGNING THAT. SO. BUT THAT AREA IS CONTINUING TO GROW. WE JUST APPROVED HUGE BIG BOX STORE. BOJANGLES IS GOING UP SPROUTS AND ALL THE THINGS AROUND THAT AREA AS WELL TOO, THERE'S NO DOUBT. I MEAN, THIS IS WHERE THE GROWTH IS GOING. WE'VE APPROVED MORE CAR WASHES AND MINI STORAGES ON THIS ROAD THAN I CAN ACTUALLY COUNT. SO, YOU KNOW, THE COMMERCIAL PART OF IT, THE THE PROCESS OF THE TRAFFIC GOING UP AND DOWN THERE. I MAKE MY WAY ON TWO OF MY DAYS DURING THE WEEK IS FROM VIERA DOWN WICKHAM ROAD, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO LYNN TOWER AS ONE OF MY CUSTOMERS AND RIGHT RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM YOU MISS HIM. SO I DON'T SEE THIS IS THE INEVITABLE WE WICKHAM ROAD BELONGS TO THE COUNTY WE'VE WORKED WITH THE COUNTY. THERE IS NO MORE RIGHT OF WAYS THAT THEY CAN BUY THAT THEY CAN EXPAND THIS ROAD ANYMORE. SO IS IT UP TO US TO DELEGATE WHAT GOES DOWN THAT ROAD? IS IT UP TO US TO DETERMINE WHAT GROWTH HAPPENS? WHAT DOESN'T, I GUESS YES AND NO. BUT WE GOT TO WORK IN CONJUNCTION WITH WITH THE COUNTY AS WELL TOO, I THINK.

BUT AT THIS MOMENT THEY MEET ALL THE CRITERIA IN MY MIND THAT I SEE, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT HAS TO BE PRESENTED. IF WE MAKE A DENIAL, WE HAVE TO Y YOU KNOW, AND I MEAN, AND THAT'S A VERY HARD HURDLE TO, TO OVERCOME. SO I'M JUST SAYING MY PIECE, THAT'S ALL I GET IT WICKHAM ROAD, MY KIDS LIVE UP IN VIERA. I LIVE BEACHSIDE AND GETTING FROM THERE TO THERE IS ANYWHERE BETWEEN 45 MINUTES TO AN HOUR NOW, GUARANTEED, YOU KNOW, EVEN GOING UP. SO. BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S MY MY MY $0.02. GOOD COMMENT AND A MOTION. MY COMMENT IS I JUST WITH 17 PLUS ACRES. I HONESTLY THINK THAT THIS WILL BE THE LEAST TRAFFIC IMPACT OPTION WHEN YOU REALLY TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT IT WOULD BE. SO WE'RE DOING THE RESIDENTS A FAVOR, AND HONESTLY, I THINK

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ANY OPPOSED? NAY AND I VOTE AYE. AND THAT MOTION PASSES AND APPROVAL. THE OTHER ONES WILL BE SECOND READING. SO WE'RE GOOD THAT THAT ONE. OKAY. AND THEN THANK YOU SIR. AND MOVING

[C.23. Subdivision Variance Request (SDV2025-0002) Babcock Townhomes: (Public Hearing) Request for a subdivision variance on a 0.17±-acre portion of an overall 1.88± acre property, zoned C-1 (Neighborhood Commercial District) and R-1AA (Single-Family Low Density Residential District) located on the southeast corner of South Babcock Street and Avenue D, west of Grove Lane. (Owner - Grove Lane, LLC) (Applicant - Doug Engle) (Representative - Robert Robb, Robb & Taylor Engineering) (P&Z Board - 11/20/2025)]

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[C.24. Interlocal Agreement with Brevard County to extend the termination date of the Olde Eau Gallie Riverfront Community Redevelopment Agency for construction of a public parking garage. Council will convene as the Olde Eau Gallie Riverfront Community Redevelopment Agency for the following item: a. Consideration and approval of the Revised and Restated Interlocal Agreement between the City of Melbourne, Olde Eau Gallie Riverfront Community Redevelopment Agency, and Brevard County. Council will reconvene for the remaining items. b. Consideration and approval of the Revised and Restated Interlocal Agreement between the City of Melbourne, Olde Eau Gallie Riverfront Community Redevelopment Agency, and Brevard County.]

AND SO WE'RE WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE THERE. SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IN ON PAGE FIVE AND SECTION EIGHT WE'VE RE-ADDED THAT $6.835 MILLION INDEBTEDNESS CAP INTO THE AGREEMENT. AND THEN MORE SUBSTANTIVELY ON PAGE SIX AND SECTION NINE, THE COUNTY HAD SUGGESTED LANGUAGE FOR BOTH PARKING RATE UNIFORMITY AS WELL AS PARKING TIME FRAME UNIFORMITY FOR ALL OF THE

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THAT IS THE SAME EXACT AMOUNT THAT WAS IN THE AGREEMENT. FIVE 2021 IN 2021. SO WE'RE NOT CHANGING HOW MUCH WE WANT TO GO OUT AND GET A LOAN FOR A BOND FOR. AND WE'RE STILL AND WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT A SUNSET. NO LATER, NO LATER THAN SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2033. AND IF AND IF WE'RE ABLE TO DO IT EARLIER, THE AGREEMENT SAYS THAT THAT WE'LL MAKE EFFORTS TO DO THAT AS WELL. AND THEN STILL FIVE YEARS, YES, FIVE YEARS SOONER THAN ORIGINALLY.

PIGGYBACK OFF WHAT YOU SAID THAT WILL ACTUALLY THE COUNTY WILL BE ABLE TO REALIZE ABOUT $1.8 MILLION AND FROM CRA MONIES THAT THE BENEFIT TO THE COUNTY. IT'S REALLY IN MY OPINION, EVERYBODY WINS. I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, AT THE LAST MEETING, I KNOW VICE MAYOR WAS THERE. I KNOW THAT MR. LARUSSO, HE SPOKE. MR. SMITH WAS THERE. AND I WILL TELL YOU, IT'S BEEN A CHALLENGE BACK AND FORTH WITH THIS TIMELINE. AND I JUST WANT TO SAY OUR STAFF VERY, VERY HAPPY WITH WITH REALLY YOU GUYS, ALL OF YOU WORKING BACK AND FORTH. I MEAN, YOU GOT YOU YOU'VE HAD LIKE TEN TIMELINES AND REALLY THE CITY MANAGER, CITY ATTORNEY DID A GREAT JOB UP THERE WORKING WITH THE COUNTY. AND AGAIN, I THINK THAT NOW IT'S ON THERE AND THE BALL'S IN THEIR COURT AFTER THIS. AND I HOPE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GET THIS PUSHED THROUGH THE OVER THE GOAL LINE. SO SO MAY I I HEARD THAT THE VOTE WAS 5 TO 1. SO WHAT'S THE OVERALL TONE OR WHAT DO YOU THINK IS 4 TO 1 OR 4 TO 1. THERE'S ONLY FIVE COMMISSIONERS OKAY OKAY.

SO WHAT DO YOU THINK. WELL NO I THINK I THINK THE ONE COMMISSIONER, SHE, SHE

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AND THIS IS MY OPINION, EVERYTHING THAT WAS BROUGHT, OUR STAFF ADDRESSED. A COUPLE OF THE QUESTIONS THEY ASKED TO ME IS LIKE, WELL, 90% UNDERSTAND WE'RE GOING TO BUILD A 300 SPACE PARKING GARAGE. YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE FIVE SOMETHING. AND NOW IN THEIR MIND, IT NEEDS TO BE 90% OF THAT. THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKED. GO AHEAD MAN. COCOA BEACH, DO THEY HAVE DO THEY DO IT ALL I MEAN THEIR THEIR PARKING GARAGE BECAUSE THAT WAS IN A CRA TOO. AND I THINK ABOUT IT. SO THEY DO SO SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE GETTING THESE RESTRICTIONS PLACED ON US. AND SO, SO LET ME BACK UP A LITTLE BIT. ONE OF THE REASONS AND SHE MAKES A GREAT MISS LAND MAKES A GREAT POINT. THAT'S ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT THEY SEE COCOA BEACH AND THEY THINK WHAT WE'RE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. WELL, AS OUR STAFF SAID, LOOK WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW WITH MELBOURNE. WE DON'T YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO CHARGE PEOPLE. SO I THINK THAT THAT WAS THE BIGGEST ISSUE. I THINK OUR STAFF ADDRESSED EVERYTHING.

IT'S JUST TO ME IT WAS VERY ODD. EVEN ON THE ORIGINAL DAY, IT WAS JUST EVERYTHING WAS ADDRESSED AND THEY DIDN'T EVEN TAKE A VOTE. THEY TABLED IT AND IT'S LIKE JUST IT WAS JUST VERY ODD. SO GO AHEAD, SIR. I'LL JUST SAY THAT BEING THERE IN FULL FORCE OR TO SENIOR EMPLOYEES FROM THE CITY MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, MYSELF, DISTRICT REPRESENTATIVE, I THINK WE DID A VERY GOOD JOB COLLECTIVELY IN SHOWING THAT WE'RE SERIOUS ABOUT WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH DOWNTOWN O'GALLEY. AND I THINK WE HAVE SOME SOLID VOTES ON THAT BOARD. I HAD MET WITH THE CHAIRMAN, ALTMAN, THAT DAY AND DISCUSSED ALL OF THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT HE WAS UNAWARE OF.

SO IT WAS IT WAS A GOOD MEETING. AND SO I GO BACK AND I GOT TO COMPLIMENT YOU, ADAM, I DO I GOT TO SAY THAT OUR LAST MEETING BEFORE WE WENT TO THIS, WHEN WE STARTED TO TALK ABOUT WHO SHOULD TALK TO WHO, AND YOU SAID ELECTEDS GET BETTER RESULTS WHEN ELECTEDS TALK TOGETHER. AND WE DID AND WE ALL BRANCHED OUT. WE DID THAT AND WE WENT FROM A TABLE TO FOUR VOTES. YOU KNOW, THAT'S PRETTY COOL. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE, WE STATED OUR OUR INTENT. WE STOOD BEHIND IT. WE GAVE MORE THAN WHAT WE I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE. BUT HOWEVER WE ARE GOING TO GET THERE, I REALLY BELIEVE THAT. AND I DON'T WANT TO JINX IT BUT AND AND I'LL BRING UP AND I'LL BRING UP THE POINT. ALSO, BACK IN 2021, WHEN I WORKED WITH COMMISSIONER TOBIAS ON THIS, HE MADE IT PERFECTLY CLEAR THAT HE WANTED EVERY DIME OF THAT CRA TO GO TOWARD THIS PROJECT. THE COUNCIL AGREED EVERY DIME FOR YEARS HAVE BEEN GOING IN, AND THAT'S WHY WE GOT RIGHT NOW $5.8 MILLION SITTING THERE, AND IT'S INCREASING. SO WE'VE BEEN ON A PATH TO GET THIS DONE. SO AGAIN, WE WE'VE SHOWN IN, IN MY OPINION, THAT WE'VE SHOWN THE COUNTY THAT THIS IS WE'RE DOING EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT US TO DO. AND THIS IS FOR INFRASTRUCTURE. SO AGAIN, EVERYBODY THAT SHOWED UP OR MADE THEIR CALLS OR TALKED TO THEM, I THINK I REALLY APPRECIATE IT BECAUSE IT REALLY HELPED. AND I'LL SAY ONE LAST THING, MAYOR, IS THAT THERE ARE ELECTIONS AND DIFFERENT MINDSETS COME TO THE BOARD. AND SO WE DIDN'T HAVE THE SAME BOARD IN 2021 THAT WE HAD TODAY. YEAH. SO THAT WAS A WHOLE NOTHER SET OF CHALLENGES FOR US TO CONVINCE, CONVEY AND DO WHAT WE DO BEST, YOU KNOW, AND MOVE FORWARD FOR THE BEST OF THE CITY. SO AGAIN, I WANT TO COMPLIMENT YOU BOTH FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK AND EVERYBODY WHO'S BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS AND THE ENTIRE COUNCIL. I APPRECIATE ALL OF IT FROM EVERYBODY. MAYOR. OKAY, GOOD.

MA'AM, I JUST WANT TO AGAIN THANK OUR STAFF AS WELL. YOU GUYS DID A GREAT JOB UP THERE AND ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU WERE GETTING FIRED, THE QUESTIONS BECAUSE LIKE JOHNNY ON THE SPOT.

SO I APPRECIATE IT. WHEN IS THE NEXT COMMISSIONER MEETING. NEXT TUESDAY. NEXT TUESDAY, DECEMBER 16TH. AND IT'S A MORNING MEETING. SO I THINK THAT'S IT'S EITHER 9 OR 930. I WILL CONFIRM THAT. I WANT TO SAY IT'S NINE, NINE NINE NOW AND NOT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, MISS LAMB, AND EVERYTHING'S BEEN SUBMITTED TO THEM ACCORDING TO THEIR AGENDA PACKAGE. YES. DOES IT APPEAR THAT WE'RE WHEN I TALKED TO THE COUNTY MANAGER AND IT WAS AFTER 4:00 TODAY, THAT'S WHY THE BLUE MEMO CAME OUT SO LATE. HE SAID HE'S PUTTING ON WHAT HE'S CALLING A PLACEHOLDER RIGHT NOW.

HE WAS WANTED TO SEE WHAT THE RESULTS WERE TONIGHT FROM OUR COUNCIL TO SEE IF WE VOTED FOR IT. AND THEN HE'S GOING TO SEND SOMETHING TOMORROW. SO I IMAGINE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID

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CORRECT? YES. ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE OR CAN WE GO AHEAD AND FOLLOW THE REQUEST ACTION. MAYOR, WE NEED A MOTION. GO AHEAD. REQUESTED ACTION. APPROVAL OF THE REVISED RESTATED INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF MELBOURNE AND THE OLD O'GALLEY RIVERFRONT COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AGENCY AND BREVARD COUNTY, AS ENDORSED BY THE BREVARD COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. I HAVE A MOTION, AND I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE AYE, AND THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. COUNCIL WILL RECONVENE FOR THE FOLLOWING ITEM B MAYOR GO AHEAD IF I MAY. COUNCIL APPROVAL OF THE REVISED AND RESTATED INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF MELBOURNE AND O'GALLEY RIVERFRONT COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY AND BREVARD COUNTY IS ENDORSED BY THE BREVARD COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. AND I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. WE HAVE FIRST. SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE AYE. MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. GOOD, MR. CONLEY. JUST JUST ONE THING AND THINK. THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF THIS THIS EVENING. TO PIGGYBACK ON SOMETHING, COUNCIL MEMBER LARUSSO SAID, EVEN EVEN WITH THIS VOTE THIS EVENING AND THE SCHEDULED ITEM ON DECEMBER 16TH, YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE ADDITIONAL LOBBYING EFFORTS OR OUTREACH TO TO BE DONE. AGREED. OKAY. DON'T DON'T LET UP.

ANOTHER ANOTHER WORD. HINT. YEAH. I 60 GO 80 I ENCOURAGE IT OKAY. SO WE'RE MOVING ON. ITEM

[C.25. Public-Private Partnership (P3) Unsolicited Detailed Proposal (Revised) for Eau Gallie Joint-Use Parking Garage and Hotel Project at 1551 Highland Avenue. (First Public Hearing)]

COUNCIL MEMBERS. MAYOR. THANK YOU. TONIGHT, WE'RE HERE JUST TO DISCUSS SOME MATERIAL CHANGES TO OUR P3 PROPOSAL. WE RECENTLY BROUGHT ON BOARD OUR CIVIL ENGINEER KIMLEY-HORN FOR THIS PROJECT. AND AFTER LOTS OF DISCUSSION AND ANALYSIS, WE'RE GOING TO PRESENT A WE'RE PRESENTING A FINANCIAL FEASIBLE BUILDABLE SOLUTION FOR THIS JOINT PROJECT. SO I JUST WANT TO GO THROUGH THESE SMALL CHANGES. OKAY. SO THIS HERE IS THE SITE PLAN THAT THAT WE ARE PROPOSING. THIS IS SPECIFICALLY I WANT TO DISCUSS BECAUSE IT WAS A BIG TOPIC OF I WANT TO SAY CONCERN, BUT IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP BY THE COUNCIL MEMBERS SPECIFIC TO THE CIVIC CENTER LOADING AREA. SO WHAT WE'VE PRESENTED HERE IS MULTIPLE ACCESS OPTIONS INTO THE CIVIC CENTER. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT LOADING ON HIGHLAND AVE, WHICH IS YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IN THE RED EXCUSE ME RECTANGLE THERE ACCESS FROM THE STREET THERE. THAT WOULD BE ONE WHERE I SAY LIKE A BIG BOX WOULD COME IN BIG BOX TRUCK. ANOTHER ACCESS POINT OF A BIG BOX TRUCK WOULD BE WITHIN THE GARAGE. YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE LOADING, WHICH WOULD BE ON THE

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SO WE WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE THREE POINTS OF ACCESS INTO THE LOADING AREA. WE WOULD BE PUTTING A LIKE SEVEN FOOT, EXCUSE ME, SEVEN FOOT WIDE SIDEWALK ACROSS THE ENTIRE FROM FROM EAST TO WEST AROUND THE CIVIC CENTER SO THAT EVERYBODY COULD ACCESS IT. AND THEN WHAT WE WERE LOOKING TO DO IN ORDER TO KEEP EVERYONE DRY, AND PARTICULARLY THE EMPLOYEES. OR FOR EXAMPLE, IF BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS USED A LOT FOR LIKE PARTIES AND MAYBE WEDDINGS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, IS MY UNDERSTANDING BASED ON WHAT YOU WAS TOLD, THAT WE WOULD PUT A ROOF LIKE A, LIKE A COVERED TYPE OF STRUCTURE THAT IS IN THE YELLOW, THAT WOULD GO OUT TO HIGHLAND AND ALL THE WAY INTO WHERE THE ENTRY DOOR WOULD BE FOR THE LOADING ACCESS TO THE CIVIC CENTER. SO THAT WOULD BE OUR PROPOSAL FOR THE CIVIC CENTER ACCESS. THIS WOULD GIVE THREE LAYERS OF ACCESS INTO THE CIVIC CENTER, TWO LOCATIONS FOR BOX TRUCKS TO COME IN. AND THEN IF YOU HAD JUST REGULAR CARS OR A VAN, THEY COULD COME UP EVEN CLOSER INTO THE GARAGE AND USE THAT COVERED ACCESS INTO THE INTO THE CIVIC CENTER. OKAY.

AND THEN THIS IS THE HOTEL AND PARKING GARAGE, SHARED DRAINAGE SYSTEM. AT THE TOP RIGHT CORNER YOU CAN SEE THE THE DRY RETENTION POND. AND THEN ALONG THE EAST SIDE WE HAVE WHAT IS CALLED A CHAMBER SYSTEM. NOW WHAT'S GOOD ABOUT THIS CHAMBER SYSTEM IS IT IS CONSIDERED THE LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT THAT THE COUNTY IS LOOKING FOR, OR THEY HAVE MENTIONED IN THEIR THING.

THIS IS A GREEN DEVELOPMENT WAY OF DEVELOPMENT. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE WE'RE PROPOSING AS WELL. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THIS FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE ON ON WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, THESE ARE THE CHANGES THAT WE MADE TO THE PROPOSAL. ANY ANY QUESTIONS MISS MISS LAMB YES, I AM HOPING THAT STAFF RELAYED TO YOU I STILL HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE DUMPSTER AREA, BUT I THINK THERE ARE TWO SOLUTIONS TO THAT THAT WE CAN WORK OUT DURING CONSTRUCTION PLAN REVIEW. YES, 100%. AND I'VE ACTUALLY ALREADY SPOKEN SPOKE WITH CHRIS AND TRYING TO GET THE WASTE MANAGEMENT CONTACT THAT HE KNOWS SO WE CAN START COMMUNICATING WITH THEM SO WE CAN, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH WITH WHAT'S NEEDED. OKAY. HELLO. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR HAVING US TODAY. AND I'M GLAD TO BE HERE. A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I WANTED TO MENTION, ON TOP OF KIND OF WHAT LANCE WAS TALKING ABOUT, A LITTLE BIT MORE TECHNICAL ON HIS SIDE, BUT ME FOR ME MORE SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT WE'VE HAD REALLY IN THE STAFF MEMO COMPARED TO WHAT WE SHOWED YOU GUYS LAST TIME. SO THESE ARE MORE KIND OF BUSINESS POINTS. BUT THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS THAT I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT. NUMBER ONE, I THINK, YOU KNOW, FROM THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE, OBVIOUSLY YOU GUYS HAD TO GO AND TRY AND GET THE COUNTY TO AGREE WITH NOT REALLY NOT HAVING ANYBODY PAY FOR PARKING FOR QUITE A WHILE, MORE THAN YOU GUYS WOULD HAVE HOPED, I'M SURE. AND SO BEING CONSISTENT WITH THAT, I THINK ONE OF THE CHANGES WAS THAT WE WOULD BE TAKING CARE OF THE MAINTENANCE FOR THE GARAGE AND FOR THE HOTEL FOR FOR THE GARAGE, I MEAN, AND I THINK WE ARE DEFINITELY IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT. AND THAT POINT BEING IS THAT BASICALLY IN THE PREVIOUS NOTE, WE WERE BASICALLY GOING TO SHARE THE COSTS. I THINK BASED ON WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE GONE TO DO AND, YOU KNOW, NOT HAVING TO PAY FOR PARKING, WE'LL TAKE THAT AND WE'LL DEFINITELY TAKE CARE OF THE MAINTENANCE AND THE SECURITY OF THE GARAGE. SO THAT'S NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, ONE OF THE CHANGES THAT YOU GUYS PROPOSED WAS ANYTHING THAT'S LONG TERM MAINTENANCE. SO ANYTHING THAT'S CAPEX FOR THE GARAGE. ANYTHING MORE THAN $10,000 WOULD BE YOU GUYS WOULD SHARE IN THE COSTS I THINK PREVIOUSLY WAS 5000. I THINK WE CAN AGREE WITH 10,000. 10,000, I THINK IS PRETTY FAIR. AGAIN, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO BE FAIR WITH YOU GUYS. AND I THINK THIS BEING A NEW GARAGE, WE'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO HAVE TOO

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I MEAN, I, I'D LIKE TO KNOW THE COUNCIL'S THOUGHT ON THAT. WHERE IS YOUR STORMWATER FLOWING FROM THE HOTEL. IT'S IT'S SHARED THAT THAT OKAY. SO IF WE WEREN'T PUTTING THE PARKING GARAGE THERE, YOU WOULD STILL HAVE TO HAVE THE STORMWATER FOR FOR THE HOTEL PARCEL. YES. FOR THE HOTEL, OF COURSE. OKAY. SO OKAY, YOU HAVE THAT AND THEN YOU HAVE THE PARKING GARAGE TO BE USED. CORRECT. YOU'RE USING PART OF THE PARKING GARAGE AND YOU STILL WE ALL HAVE TO HAVE THE STORMWATER. SO NO MATTER WHAT YOU STILL HAVE TO USE THE STORMWATER. WELL WE WOULD NEED STORMWATER NO MATTER WHAT BECAUSE THIS IS A SHARED PROJECT. YEAH. WE WOULD BE PUSHING IT THROUGH THE IT'S THE MOST ECONOMICAL BECAUSE THE LAND IS SO TIGHT. YOU KNOW, THERE'S THERE'S NOT A LOT OF SPACE. I UNDERSTAND. BUT I THINK THAT THE SHARED COST OF KEEPING THAT UP, I MEAN THAT'S IT'S PART OF BUSINESS. WELL, WELL WE'RE GOING TO TAKE WE'RE TAKING CARE OF THAT. WE'RE SAYING WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR ALL THE MAINTENANCE. YEAH, INCLUDING THE STORMWATER. AND THEN WE WANT TO BUILD THEM 25 GRAND A YEAR FOR THEM. IF I MAY GO AHEAD. SO IN PRIOR NEGOTIATIONS WITH, WITH THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM AND AND INTO THE THE PREVIOUS FIRST PUBLIC HEARING THAT WE HAD IN LATE OCTOBER, THERE'S THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN AN UNDERSTANDING OF IN LIEU. SO SO THE ORIGINAL BALANCE WAS FROM THE GROW AMERICA ANALYSIS OF THE THE PROJECT, THE ANNUAL MAINTENANCE EXPECTED MAINTENANCE COSTS AND SORT OF A A VERY TERTIARY OR CURSORY ANALYSIS OF THE LAND VALUE ITSELF. WE LOOKED AT IT AND SAID, IS IT IS IT BETTER TO CHARGE AN ANNUAL LEASE FOR THE USE OF THE 242 PARKING SPACES ON CITY PROPERTY OVER TIME, OR ARE THE. IS THE COST OF THE ANNUAL MAINTENANCE COMPARABLE ENOUGH TO SAY, IN LIEU OF A LEASE, COVER THE MAINTENANCE COSTS, AND THAT'S THAT'LL BE THE DEVELOPER'S CONTRIBUTION TO THE TO THOSE ONGOING COSTS. AND THEN THE GROW AMERICA ANALYSIS AND WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY PRESENTED AS THE CITY'S STAFF'S REQUEST OF THE DEVELOPER. AND IN THE FIRST HEARING, IT WAS, LET'S JUST CALL IT A WASH.

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IS THAT BALANCE NOW SHIFTING TO WHERE IT'S NOT A WASH AND NOW AND SO AND SO I JUST WANT TO SORT OF REPHRASE IT CONCEPTUALLY. RIGHT. I DON'T THINK CITY STAFF IS SUGGESTING IT'S A $25,000 LEASE SPECIFICALLY FOR THE STORMWATER. RIGHT. IT'S AN IT'S AN OVERALL ANALYSIS OF HOW IS THE HOW IS THE SHARED P3 DEVELOPMENT SITE EFFECTIVELY USING CITY PROPERTY FOR IT FOR ITS NEEDS AND PURPOSES? AND WHAT IS THAT BALANCE LOOK LIKE NOW? AND IN THAT RECALCULATION, THAT'S WHERE WE CAME TO. THE CURRENT BALANCE IS LOOKING MORE LIKE THERE'S NOW A DEFICIT TO WHERE THERE'S A MONETARY ANNUAL MONETARY CONTRIBUTION THAT MAY BE APPROPRIATE. NOW WE WILL TAKE COUNCIL. WE WILL TAKE COUNCIL DIRECTION ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, WHAT THAT NUMBER LOOKS LIKE. RIGHT. WE'VE GOT LOTS OF NEGOTIATIONS STILL TO DO. RIGHT. BUT THIS WAS THIS WAS OUR ANALYSIS BASED ON THIS CHANGE TO THE TO THE CONCEPTUAL DESIGN. AND IN MY OPINION, YOU AND YOUR YOUR MIND IS DOING WHAT IS BEST FOR THE CITY, NOT HANDS DOWN. MY QUESTION IS THOUGH, TAKE THE HOTEL PROJECT OUT. LET'S SAY IT DID NOT EXIST.

OKAY. WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO BUILD A PARKING GARAGE HERE. WE HAVE TO HAVE STORMWATER THERE.

WHERE DO WE PUT OUR STORMWATER? WE WOULDN'T WE WOULDN'T NOT NECESSARILY. WE COULD EITHER PUT IT THERE OR WE COULD USE A CHAMBER SYSTEM JUST IN FRONT OF THE PARKING GARAGE, BECAUSE WE ONLY NEED ABOUT HALF OF WHAT THAT STORMWATER IS BEING PROVIDED, BECAUSE OUR BUILDING IS LESS THAN HALF THE PARKING GARAGE IS LESS THAN HALF. IF YOU DON'T COUNT THE HOTEL, AND THAT STAYS AS IS WHERE WHERE A SMALLER AREA, SMALLER PONDS, SMALLER CHAMBERS. OKAY, OKAY.

SO GO AHEAD. SIR, I WANTED TO CLARIFY ON THE MAINTENANCE THING, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M, I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT I MEAN, IT'S PAGE 562 IF YOU WANT TO READ IT FROM. BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE MINOR REPAIRS AND UTILITIES THAT ARE APPROXIMATELY 105,000, YOU'RE THE FEES THAT WERE ADDED IN ON THAT LAST AGREEMENT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT'S STILL GOING TOWARDS MAJOR TYPES OF REPAIRS AND BUILDING AND THINGS LIKE THAT OR BOTH. SO SO THE WAY THE WAY WE STRUCTURE IT IN THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT, IT FIRST HAS TO GO TO THE CAPITAL RESERVES ONCE, ONCE, WHATEVER THAT ESTIMATE IS. AND I DEFER TO ROSS ON, YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS. THEN IT THEN IT POURS OVER INTO WHATEVER OTHER ANNUAL MAINTENANCE COSTS THAT, THAT WE MAY, WE MAY HAVE AS WELL. RIGHT. BUT BUT YES. RIGHT. SO AND I THINK GENERALLY, GENERALLY WHAT'S ANTICIPATED IN THAT 105 IS THOSE ANNUAL MAINTENANCE COSTS. WE, YOU KNOW, OUT OUTSIDE OF THAT $10,000 THRESHOLD, WE'LL STILL HAVE CAPITAL MAINTENANCE EXPENDITURES ASSOCIATED WITH THE. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WITH THE WITH THE DISCUSSION AND EVERYTHING GOING ON, THAT IT'S NOT THAT ESPECIALLY THE PUBLIC DOESN'T HAVE THE PERCEPTION THAT WE'RE OFF THE HOOK ON ANY AND ALL REPAIRS, NO ANNUAL MAINTENANCE, YOUR CLEANINGS. YOU'RE RIGHT. THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. I NEED TO HALT EVERYBODY REAL QUICK. WE NEED A MOTION TO. SO MOVED TO GO PAST 11. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION. AND MISS HANLEY'S SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NOBODY OPPOSED. WE'LL KEEP GOING. I VOTE AYE, AND THE MOTION PASSES. SORRY. WE HAVE TO DO THAT BY CODE. YEAH. SO, SO AND SO MY, MY QUESTION IS THIS. SO THE 25,000 I, I JUST I SEE THE BENEFIT OF THE THIS AGREEMENT WHAT THIS IS GOING TO DO TO O'GALLEY THE PARKING THE HOTEL, THE BUSINESSES, THE FACT THAT YOU KNOW, YOU SEE A LOT OF THEM DOWN THERE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE I THINK THIS IS SUCH A GREAT BENEFIT. I WOULD JUST KNOW THAT IF I WAS DOING THIS PROJECT AND I HAVE NO, NO STAKE IN IT, I'M NOT AN INVESTOR. I'M NOTHING LIKE THAT. I JUST WOULD LOOK AT IT AND SAY, I GOT IT.

THIS IS A STORMWATER. I GOT TO PAY. ALSO 25,000 A YEAR FOR, YOU KNOW, A LEASE FOR STORMWATER THAT WE'RE ALL SHARING THAT EVEN IN FOR THE CIVIC CENTER. SO MAYBE WE CAN NEGOTIATE THAT DOWN TO ME HOPEFULLY A LOT OR SOMETHING. IT'S JUST I JUST TO ME THAT'S A HIGH, HIGH NUMBER. GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD. SIR. MY MY QUESTION IS I'M LISTENING TO WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO COVER. ON THE OTHER SIDE IS WHAT IS IS THERE ANY WAY TO PROJECT WHAT THE COST WOULD BE AS FAR AS THE MAINTENANCE AND SOME OF THE OTHER STUFF THAT THEY'RE NOW WILLING TO COVER MOVING FORWARD? BECAUSE THAT SOUNDS LIKE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE VALUE WOULD

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NOW THE PROJECT IS INCLUDING ANOTHER 0.2 ACRES, SO IT'S ABOUT 20% MORE PROPERTY. AND SO THAT'S WHERE WE CAME UP WITH, YOU KNOW, 20, 25,000, GIVE OR TAKE. AND THAT'S WHAT WE CAN REFINE. SO THAT'S WHERE THE METHODOLOGY CAME FROM. SO SO THAT'S THAT'S THANKS. SO SO THEN THAT ANALYSIS IS BASED ON PAST EXPERIENCE AND PAST PROJECTS THAT THAT WE'VE ENCOUNTERED. AND OVER OUR SHOULDER OR THAT IS BASED IS THAT BASED ON BRAND NEW STUFF THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AFTER THE FIRST OF THE YEAR, BASED ON LEGISLATION BASED ON ALL THE OTHER MOVING PARTS THAT WE'VE GOT GOING ON HERE. THAT WAS BASED ON THE GROW AMERICA EVALUATION OF THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL. OKAY. SO SO THEN THIS. ALL RIGHT. I'VE GOT I WANT TO LISTEN. WELL, QUESTION QUESTION IS WHO WHO IS MAINTAINING THIS. NO THIS THIS WATER RETENTION AREA. WE WE WE WE HAD PREVIOUSLY SUGGESTED AND IT'S BEEN OUR REQUEST THAT FOR ANY SHARED STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE BETWEEN THE HOTEL AND THE GARAGE, THAT THE HOTEL DEVELOPER MAINTAIN THAT THAT INFRASTRUCTURE. AND YOU GUYS ARE OKAY WITH THAT. YES.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY DOESN'T EVEN HAVE TO BOTHER WITH MOWING, CUTTING, MAINTAINING, CLEANING, CLEANING, REPAIRING, CLEANING ALL THE CHAMBERS. AND I PERSONALLY FEEL THAT I MEAN, THAT'S A THAT'S GREAT. THAT'S LESS THAN OUR I'M SURE OUR, OUR OUR BUILDING. AND I'M SURE OUR PARK PEOPLE WOULD BE LIKE EVEN BETTER. I OUR MAINTENANCE IN PERPETUITY. LOOK NEGOTIATIONS ARE ONGOING. WELL YEAH. BUT THAT I THINK TO ME THAT'S SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, IT'S OURS. THEY CAN USE IT. WE'RE USING IT. BUT YOU GUYS MAINTAIN IT AND, YOU KNOW, MAINTAIN BUILDING AND MAINTAIN. RIGHT. AND YOU'RE BUILDING IT WELL AND MAINTAINING IT, JUST LIKE I SAID BEFORE, JUST LIKE ADAM SAID BEFORE, IS THAT WE DON'T WANT TO TRY TO OFF BALANCE, YOU KNOW, GIVE OR TAKE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE MAINTENANCE COSTS ARE VERSUS THE STORMWATER DRAINAGE SYSTEM IS. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S NEITHER IT'S NEITHER PETER NOR PAUL. SO WHAT WE HAVE TO COME TO IS A RESOLUTION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE CHARGE THEM ANOTHER $25,000 AND WHAT IT REALLY. YEAH. AND YEAH, LETTING ME FINISH THAT, NEGOTIATING THAT DOWN TO. AND WHAT DOES THAT LOOK DOWN TO. AND ARE THEY EVEN WILLING TO NEGOTIATE THAT NUMBER BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE OUTSIDE STUFF THAT THEY'RE ALREADY DOING. SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS A PATHWAY THAT WE CAN ALL BE HAPPY WITH. OF COURSE, NOW, I'M NOT SAYING I'M NICKEL AND DIMING YOU. I DON'T FEEL SORRY FOR YOU AT ALL BUILDING THIS PROJECT. I HOPE YOU'RE SUCCESSFUL. I HOPE YOU MAKE MULTI MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, I REALLY DO. THAT'S CAPITALISM.

GO TO NEW YORK AND TRY TO DO THAT. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO IT AFTER JANUARY 16TH. SO THAT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY ABOUT THAT. BUT I THINK THAT THERE'S ROOM. CAN WE ALLOW STAFF TO NEGOTIATE THIS OR SHOULD WE PUT A HARD NUMBER TO IT TONIGHT. WELL I MEAN AT THE OR EVEN JUST BLANK IT OUT NEGOTIATE. YOU KNOW WE CAN WE CAN DO ONE OF THREE THINGS. WE CAN LET IT GO. WE CAN NEGOTIATE OR MAKE IT 25,000. SO WHICH ONE OF THE THREE YOU WANT TO DO? I'M PERSONALLY A BOTTOM LINER. I LIKE THE WAY THE MATH WORKS OUT WITH HOW OUR CITY MANAGER AND CITY ATTORNEY WORKED IT OUT. IF THAT'S THE COST OF IT, THAT'S THE COST OF IT. WHERE DOES THE MONEY COME FROM, MAYOR? VICE MAYOR, I'M JUST GOING TO PUT MY $0.02 IN THIS GREAT PROJECT. WE'VE WORKED ON IT FOR A VERY, VERY LONG TIME. WE DO A LOT OF LEASING LAND FOR A DOLLAR. THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING. SMALLER THINGS THAN THIS. AND THE FACT THAT THEY'RE

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THEY'RE TALKING TWO DIFFERENT ANIMALS, BUT THEY'RE BRINGING IN SO MUCH MORE. NONPROFIT DIDN'T BUILD IT. YEAH. YEAH, EXACTLY. NONPROFITS NOT BUILDING IT. AND REALLY, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF NONPROFITS WHERE WE'RE STILL REPAIRING A LOT OF THE STUFF BECAUSE THE NONPROFIT CAN'T AFFORD IT. THEY THEY THEY BASICALLY SAID, YOU KNOW, ROOF'S FALLING IN OR WHATEVER. WE WE CAN'T WE WE NEED THE CITY TO, TO, TO HELP US WITH THIS.

THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR THE HELP. AGAIN, THIS IS AN ANNUAL COST TO THEM 25 GRAND. AND THAT'S SOMETHING WHERE IN MY MIND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO THEY'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING MONEY INTO THE REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE AND CLEANING. AND I MEAN, YOU CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG ON 100% OF THE PARKING GARAGE. YOU GUYS ARE CLEANING IT, CORRECT? WE'RE CLEANING IT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE GARAGE IS ALREADY ON THE TABLE. WELL, NO, NO, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS THE COMMITMENT. THE COMMITMENT TO THIS PROJECT, THIS COMMITMENT TO THIS PROJECT AND WHAT? THEY'RE TWO DIFFERENT ANIMALS. I'M CURIOUS, SO WHAT'S THE ANNUAL MAINTENANCE COST FOR THE PARKING GARAGE OUTSIDE? JUST CURIOUS. $100,000 HUNDRED THOUSAND. SO THEN YOU ADD 20% MORE ON TO THAT. AND THAT WORKS OUT TO THE MATH THAT ADAM AND JENNY WORKED OUT. NO, THAT'S 100,000. SO THAT'S THE COST RIGHT THERE. THAT'S THE WASH PART. BUT THEN THEY ADDED MORE ON TOP OF IT. THEY NEEDED MORE. WHAT WAS IT THE IT HAD TO DO. IT HAD TO DO THE ACREAGE OF THE SITE. RIGHT. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN OPPORTUNITY COST FROM CITY USES FOR, FOR WHATEVER WHATEVER THAT MAY BE. RIGHT. AND SO IT WAS IT HAD TO DO WITH THE ACREAGE, IT HAD TO DO WITH THE OVERALL SITE. IT HAD TO DO WITH HOW MUCH THE THE P3 PROJECT WAS NOW UTILIZING OF, OF CITY PROPERTY. SO THAT THAT WAS SORT OF WHERE THAT THAT METHODOLOGY CAME FROM IT. TO GO BACK TO WHAT COUNCILMEMBER LEWIS WAS SAYING IS SORT OF THREE PATHS, I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND THE MIDDLE PATH OF JUST GIVE US DIRECTION TO NEGOTIATE, TO NEGOTIATE IT.

WE'VE HEARD ALL OF THESE COMMENTS. WE UNDERSTAND KIND OF WHERE COUNCIL'S TEMPERATURE IS AT. RIGHT? AND JENNY AND I AND THE REST OF STAFF WILL TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. YOU DON'T NEED TO MAKE A FINAL DECISION TONIGHT. JUST, YOU KNOW, WE UNDERSTAND KIND OF WHERE WHERE EVERYONE'S HEAD IS AT. AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO NEGOTIATE THAT POINT ALONG WITH MANY OTHERS. RIGHT. WE'VE GOT MANY THINGS TO DO LEFT WITH WITH THIS PROJECT ON, YOU KNOW, FINER DETAILS OF ALL OF THE IT AND, YOU KNOW, ELECTRICAL AND OTHER COMPONENTS THAT THAT NEED TO BE IN THE GARAGE, SO ON AND SO FORTH. RIGHT. SO WE WILL WE WILL TAKE ALL OF THIS INTO CONSIDERATION. RIGHT. AND SO THIS THIS EVENING WAS MORE ABOUT HEARING, AGAIN, THIS REVISION TO THE PROPOSAL, FROM WHAT YOU HEARD IN OCTOBER, STAFF'S ANALYSIS OF IT AND CINDY, STAFF MEMO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF POINTS OUT THOSE THOSE ITEMS WHERE WE WERE IDENTIFYING THERE'S A CHANGE HERE AND AND IT MAY LEAD TO CHANGE IN NEGOTIATIONS, BUT WE DON'T NEED TO MAKE A FINAL DECISION ON WHETHER IT'S GOING TO BE 25,000 OR 0 OR WHATEVER. JUST GIVE JUST GIVE US DIRECTION TO TO NEGOTIATE IT. AND WE'LL TAKE THAT UNDER CONSIDERATION AND MOVE FORWARD. GOOD. I'M SO ALL I'M SAYING. SO AND JUST TO MAKE SURE, ADAM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IF YOU GUYS GO NEGOTIATE IT, LET'S SAY THAT WE COME BACK TO THIS POINT AND WE'RE LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT, 5000 MORE, 5000 LESS. WE COULD OBVIOUSLY CHANGE THAT. AND IT COULD VERY WELL IT COULD VERY WELL BE THAT THAT STAFF DOES THAT NEGOTIATION AND HAS A RECOMMENDATION FOR COUNCIL. AND IT'S NOT ONE THAT THE DEVELOPER AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT FINAL DECISION THEN. RIGHT.

EXACTLY RIGHT. BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE TONIGHT. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SO I SAID DO NOTHING.

NEGOTIATE OR CHARGE THE FULL 25 GRAND. SO THERE'S A FOURTH OPTION IS TO. IS TO TEAR THIS GIVE YOU TEN YEARS TO GET ESTABLISHED AND THEN START A 5000, 10,000 UNTIL WE GET TO 25,000 OVER FIVE YEARS. IN 15 YEARS FROM NOW, IS THAT SOMETHING? THAT IS BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE STAFF AND JUST LOOKING FOR, YOU KNOW, SOME PATHWAY. AND YOU'LL SEE IN THE STAFF MEMO WE EVEN RECOMMENDED THAT AS WELL. RIGHT. WE HAD WE HAD TALKED ABOUT A FIVE YEAR STABILIZATION PERIOD AFTER CEO TO TO NOT CHARGE WHATEVER THAT AMOUNT ENDS UP ENDS UP BEING UNDERSTANDING THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES AND OTHER THINGS.

RIGHT. THERE'S A STABILIZATION PERIOD. WE RECOGNIZE THAT. SO THEY'LL THEY'LL SO YOU GUYS ARE WE GOOD. WE KIND OF WE GOOD THAT THE AND I THINK WE I THINK WE ALL THAT IN THE NEGOTIATIONS.

YOU KNOW I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE CAN DO. REQUESTED ACTION IS DIRECTIONS TO PROCEED WITH FURTHER NEGOTIATION OF THE PROPOSED TERMS AND PREPARATION OF THE P3 COMPREHENSIVE AGREEMENT IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 255.065 OF THE FLORIDA STATUTES, WITH MELBOURNE HOSPITALITY HOLDINGS, LLC. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION. SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I IN THAT MOTION. ARE YOU HUNG AROUND FOR ALL THAT? THAT'S ALL GOOD AND WE APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH GUYS I APPRECIATE IT. LISTEN AGAIN

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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. THANK YOU. YOU TOO. ALL RIGHT.

DRIVE SAFE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO MOVING ON. TO BAD YOU DON'T HAVE ONE OF THOSE TESLAS THAT'LL DRIVE YOU HOME ALL BY YOURSELF. NO DRIVERS. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WANT TO DO THAT.

[C.26. Ordinance No. 2025-64, Reasonable Accommodation – Certified Recovery Residences: (First Reading/Public Hearing) An ordinance amending City Code Appendix D, Chapter 1, Article I, by creating Section 1.02, entitled “Reasonable Accommodation - Certified Recovery Residences,” as it relates to new Florida Statute requirements. (Applicant - City of Melbourne) (P&Z Board - 11/20/2025)]

CERTIFIED RECOVERY RESIDENCES, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND INTERPRETATION, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND PROVIDING AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE. A REPORT ON THIS IS MISS DITTMER. YES. SO THIS IS THE FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING APPENDIX D, CHAPTER ONE, ARTICLE ONE, BY CREATING A NEW SECTION 1.02 ENTITLED REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION FOR CERTIFIED RECOVERY RESIDENCES. THIS NEW ORDINANCE IS PROPOSED RESULTING FROM THE RECENTLY PASSED SENATE BILL 954 THAT REQUIRES THE CITY TO ADOPT THIS PROCESS. SO, JUST BRIEFLY, A REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION IS THE PROCESS BY WHICH AN INDIVIDUAL WITH A DISABILITY MAY REQUEST AN ADJUSTMENT TO A SPECIFIC LAND DEVELOPMENT, ZONING OR BUILDING CODE PROVISION. SENATE BILL 954 REQUIRED THAT THE CITY PROVIDE THE ABILITY TO WAIVE OR MAKE CHANGES TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT RULES FOR CERTIFIED RECOVERY RESIDENCES. WE ALREADY CURRENTLY HAVE A REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION PROCESS WITHIN CHAPTER ONE, SO WE'RE JUST ACTUALLY ADDING ON TO THAT SECTION. AND THIS WILL SPECIFICALLY CALL OUT THE NEW REQUIREMENT REGARDING THE CERTIFIED RECOVERY RESIDENCES. A CERTIFIED RECOVERY RESIDENCE IS DEFINED AS A SOBER LIVING ENVIRONMENT THAT PROVIDES INDIVIDUALS RECOVERING FROM SUBSTANCE ABUSE DISORDERS WITH A SAFE AND SUPPORTIVE COMMUNITY. THEY DO NOT PERFORM TREATMENT ON SITE, SO THESE ARE PURELY A RESIDENCE WHERE SEVERAL PEOPLE ARE LIVING AS THEY'RE RECOVERING IN THAT MANNER, THERE IS A CERTIFICATION AND REQUIREMENT BY THE FLORIDA ASSOCIATION OF RECOVERY RESIDENCES THAT OVERSEE ALL OF THE REGISTRATION AND OVERSIGHT OF THESE THESE RESIDENCES. THE PROPOSED REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION PROCESS WILL BE IN PLACE TO TO ALLOW THEM THE ABILITY TO REQUEST ADJUSTMENTS IN OUR LAND USE REGULATIONS FOR THINGS SUCH AS ZONING, SETBACKS, PARKING, THINGS LIKE THAT OF THAT NATURE. I WANT TO DO POINT OUT WE DO HAVE IN OUR ZONING CODE A DEFINITION OF WHAT WE CALL A RECOVERY HOME, HALFWAY HOUSE THAT DOESN'T APPLY TO THAT CATEGORY OF ZONING. SO I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT IT'S ONLY APPLYING TO THESE STRICTLY RESIDENTIAL TYPE FACILITIES THAT DON'T OFFER TREATMENT WITHIN THE FACILITY. THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE ESTABLISHES A PROCEDURE FOR THE CITY TO ACCEPT THOSE REQUESTS AND GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. SEVERAL REQUIREMENTS IN THE BILL THAT REQUIRED US, YOU KNOW, TO MEET AND THOSE HAVE ALL BEEN INCORPORATED INTO THE ORDINANCE. AND WITH THAT, THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD DID VOTE UNANIMOUSLY TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS ORDINANCE, AND STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL. ORDINANCE NUMBER 20 2564, BASED UPON THE FINDINGS CONTAINED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEMORANDUM. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS DITTMER? ALL RIGHT. NO QUESTIONS. THE PUBLIC HEARING, NO. SIGN UP TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, BRING BACK TO COUNCIL MAYOR. GOOD SIR. MOTION FOR THE APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 20 2564. BASED UPON THE FINDINGS CONTAINED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEMORANDUM. SECOND. SECOND, WE HAVE FOR SECOND JUST AFTER THIS ONE. YEAH. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? THAT YOU OKAY FOR A

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[C.27. Appointment of two members to the Planning and Zoning Board.]

MAYOR. HOLD ON. WE HAVE A CHRIS CHRIS ADAMS. HE'S BEEN A ALTERNATE. I'VE PUT HIM AS THE CURRENT MEMBER. THE PUT HIM ON TAKE OUT MR. WATERS BECAUSE MR. WATERS HAS MISSED SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF. AND IT'S A BIG YOU KNOW IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT BOARD BUT HE'S MADE ALMOST EVERYONE FOR THE WHOLE, FOR THE WHOLE YEAR. I MOVE THAT, TAKE HIM OUT OF ALTERNATE. PUT HIM INTO MR. WATERS. MR. WATERS HAS BEEN ABSENT MORE THAN HE'S BEEN AVAILABLE. SO I ASK THAT WE PUT MR. CHRIS ADAMS AS THE REGULAR MEMBER, NOT AN ALTERNATE. MOVE HIM UP. I BELIEVE KEEPING MISS SHANNON BAILEY. BUT I HAVE QUESTIONS WHEN YOU GO THROUGH AND I LIKE WE HAVE MR. ZONKA.

MILO. MILO IS A NICE PERSON BUT HE'S ONLY HE'S ONLY BEEN AT TWO MEETINGS THE WHOLE YEAR. HE'S A REGULAR MEMBER. HE'S NOT AN ALTERNATE. I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT BECAUSE IT'S SUCH AN THEY THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE HAVING A HARD TIME MAKING QUORUM. YOU'VE GOT TO LOOK AT ARE THEY MAKING THE MEETINGS OR NOT MAKING THE MEETINGS. OKAY. SO YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS MOVE CHRIS ADAMS TO A CURRENT MEMBER. RIGHT. AND THEN TAKE OUT THE LAST GENTLEMAN. SPAN MR. ENNIS SPAN. YEAH. HE'S BEEN ABSENT. HE MOVED AWAY. SO LET'S TAKE HIM RIGHT OFF. MR. MR. SPAN IS THE SCHOOL BOARD'S REPRESENTATIVE ON THE BOARD, SO NOT NOT SOMETHING WE HAVE TO TAKE ACTION ON. BUT I'M UNAWARE THAT HE WAS NOT IN THE AREA ANYMORE, SO I'LL MAKE THAT CHANGE TO THE ROSTER, OKAY. BECAUSE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT CHANGES THINGS TOO. BUT LIKE, MR. MILO IS NOT. HE'S NOT. HE'S ONLY SHOWED UP TWICE OUT OF, YOU KNOW, 12 MONTHS NOT TO SAY ANYTHING BAD, BUT IT'S AN IMPORTANT BOARD. AND IF YOU'RE NOT SHOWING UP, WHY ARE WE KEEPING YOU ON? I MEAN, THERE'S OTHER BOARDS YOU CAN BE ON. THAT IS NOT AS IMPORTANT. I THINK PLANNING AND ZONING IS A VERY IMPORTANT BOARD. YOU'RE ASKING THAT WE REMOVE MR. ZONKA UNDER. WHAT ARE THE GROUNDS TO ALTERNATE? DO YOU WANT TO MOVE THEM TO THE ALTERNATE? WELL, WE JUST FOUND THAT OUT, THAT WE CAN'T REMOVE PEOPLE FROM BOARD. SO, MR. ADAMS. ABSOLUTELY. BUT LIKE, IF SOMEBODY'S NOT BEING, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT SHOWING UP A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF TIME, THEN WE REMOVE THEM FROM THE BOARD. IT WOULD BE THE SAME. IT WOULD BE BASED ON THE SAME BASES THAT MY MEMO DISCUSSED WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING MISS MISS MINA'S STATUS. RIGHT. SO YOU'D BE LOOKING AT ARE WE ARE WE CLAIMING THAT MR. JUNCKER'S ATTENDANCE RECORD REPRESENTS SOME TYPE OF NEGLECT OF DUTY OR OR OTHER. OTHER FAILURE? RIGHT. THAT. RIGHT. SO. SO THEN BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO DO IT, BUT I JUST MAYBE WE NEED TO SPEAK TO HIM ABOUT IT AND ASK HIM IF HE WOULD STEP DOWN. SO YEAH. SO THAT'S ALWAYS AN OPTION. SO I THINK THIS KIND OF LEADS US I KNOW WE'VE KIND OF HAD A DISCUSSION. I KNOW COUNCILMAN NEWMAN, WE TALKED ABOUT A BOARD CODE OF CONDUCT KIND OF THING. AND I THINK IT KIND OF LEADS US INTO THREE AREAS ATTENDANCE, PERFORMANCE AND THEN KIND OF A CONDUCT OF DECORUM PROTOCOL KIND OF THING.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT. I ASK THEM TO TO BRING IN AT THE END OF JANUARY, BUT IS IT GOING TO COVER THOSE AREAS AND MORE? YEAH, BUT I ACTUALLY WANT TO I SEE WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH IT. BUT THAT WOULD NEED TO BE IN MISS HANLEY'S POINT. I DO THINK THAT WE MAY WANT TO CONSIDER. I THINK WE'VE JUST BY LOOKING AT MR. WELL, NO, NO BUT NO, BUT LOOKING AT MR. ZONKERS POSITION OR NOT MR. SPAN DOESN'T COUNT IN THAT PARTICULAR REGARD. BUT BRUCE WATERS I THINK IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF IT. WE'RE ONLY ABLE TO REMOVE MR. WATERS BECAUSE IT'S A REAPPOINTMENT AFTER FOUR YEARS. IF HE JUST DECIDED, NOT IF WE APPOINTED HIM AND HE JUST DIDN'T SHOW UP FOR FOUR YEARS, THAT'S VERY POSSIBLE. SO I DO THINK THAT WE OUGHT TO THINK ABOUT GIVING THIS BOARD OPTIONS, WHICH WE CAN DO THROUGH A CHARTER AMENDMENT TO DECIDE ADDING AND MOVING FOLKS IN GENERAL. AND FOR A REASON. WE COULD PUT TOGETHER THOSE GUARDRAILS ON WHAT THAT IS. BUT I DO THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR US AS A BOARD TO BE

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THERE'S OTHER BOARDS THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL THE ATTENDANCE RECORDS LOOK LIKE YET. RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT'S OTHER BOARDS THAT PEOPLE MAY ATTEND, BUT THEY'RE NOT EVEN REALLY ADDING ANYTHING. I MEAN, IF IT'S IF IT'S SPECIFIC TO ATTENDANCE, I WOULD SAY THAT THE CURRENT CODE LANGUAGE IN STATE LAW PROVIDES AN OPTION OF JUST SAYING NEGLECT OF DUTY, RIGHT? PEOPLE HAVE IF PEOPLE HAVE UNEXCUSED, WELL, IT'D BE THE SAME HEARING. IT'D BE THE SAME HEARING PROCESS. RIGHT? WE WOULD HAVE TO SAY WE'RE HOLDING A HEARING ON WHETHER OR NOT TO REMOVE YOU, TO SUSPEND OR REMOVE FROM THIS BOARD. WE'RE ALLEGING NEGLECT OF DUTY. LOOK AT THIS. LOOK AT THIS ATTENDANCE RECORD. RIGHT. YOU'VE MISSED 13 OUT OF 15 MEETINGS. RIGHT. AND THAT WOULD BE A BASIS TO MR. NEWMAN'S POINT, RIGHT? IF IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ATTENDANCE AND DECORUM STANDARDS AND OTHER FACTORS THAT THAT COUNCIL WANTS TO NOW SAY THESE ARE THESE ARE CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR YOU AS A BOARD, AS A VOLUNTEER BOARD MEMBER TO FOLLOW, OR GENERALLY WE'RE JUST GOING TO MAKE ALL OF THESE APPOINTED BOARD MEMBERS SERVE AT OUR PLEASURE AND CAN BE REMOVED WITHOUT ANY CAUSE. THE STATE LAW SAYS THAT THAT THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE A CHARTER AMENDMENT TO, TO OUR CHARTER TO TO MOVE AWAY FROM WHAT THE STATE LAW ANTICIPATES AS SORT OF THAT REMOVAL FOR CAUSE PROCESS. BUT WE CAN HAVE A CHARTER AMENDMENT WHERE WE'RE REMOVING THEM, AND IT'S NOT CREATING A SPECTACLE OF A HEARING, I DON'T THINK I THINK WE CAN CURRENTLY MOVE THEM WITH A HEARING. I JUST THINK THAT CREATES THIS WHOLE BIG THING WHERE AND THAT'S I THINK WE SHOULD PALM BAY PEOPLE. BREVARD HAD SOME PEOPLE, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY IN GENERAL, AND WE COULD PUT GUARDRAILS ON IT. SO IT'S NOT AT A WHIM. BUT I THINK THAT THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR US BECAUSE WE JUST CAN'T DO IT. OKAY. DO SO. SO A PROPOSED CHARTER AMENDMENT WOULD BE BY APPROVED BY ORDINANCE TO THEN SUBMIT TO SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS. RIGHT. AND WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT IN A WHILE, BUT SO I'LL I'LL TAP THE CITY CLERK FOR ASSISTANCE IN THAT PROCESS. BUT IF THAT IF THAT'S COUNCIL'S DIRECTION, WE CAN WORK ON A DRAFT ORDINANCE RIGHT NOW. HE ONLY MADE TWO OF THE MEETINGS THE WHOLE YEAR. IF WE WENT THE WAY THAT THROUGH THE CHARTER AND ALL THAT, WE COULD REMOVE HIM WITHOUT ANY ISSUES. CORRECT. IT WOULD DEPEND IT WOULD DEPEND ON WHAT COUNCIL'S DIRECTION WAS. OF WHAT, OF WHAT THAT CHARTER AMENDMENT WOULD LOOK LIKE. ARE YOU OKAY? I MEAN, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH A HEARING AND ALL THAT.

THAT'S JUST WAY TOO MUCH. TAKE HIM OUT BACK AND BEAT THE HELL OUT OF IT. NO. WHAT DID YOU SAY? IT'S LATE. ALL RIGHT. SO. SO TONIGHT THOUGH. SO TONIGHT WE'RE AT. WE'RE MISS HANLEY.

WE'LL MOVE CHRIS ADAMS UP. SHANNON BAILEY SHANNON HASN'T BEEN TO A MEETING SINCE SEPTEMBER. SHE GOT RAN OVER. NEVER MIND. SHE WAS COMING HERE. YEAH. OKAY. GOT HIT RIGHT IN FRONT. YEAH. OKAY. WOW. MISS KENNEDY. WOW. I WAS JUST POINTING OUT FROM THE STATISTIC, I SAID THE SAME THING. YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS AND. YEAH, YOU WERE HIT. GO TO THE DATA. YOU SAID YOU WERE HIT COMING TO A MEETING, AND THEREFORE WE'RE WE'RE MOVING YOU. YEAH, WELL, I ALREADY SAID THAT ONE. SO THAT'S WHY I ALREADY SAID ALL RIGHT. SO THAT'S WHY I KNEW THAT WOULD BE REMOVED. NO. CAN'T BE REMOVED. NO. HE'S APPOINTED BY THE BY THE SCHOOL BOARD. DID ANYTHING HAPPEN TO MILO? CAN WE JUST. OKAY, OKAY. SO WE'RE KEEPING SHANNON AND THEN WHO DO WE WANT TO MOVE UP AS ALTERNATE? DO WE WANT TO MOVE, CAROL, OR DO WE WANT TO MOVE DIANE? AND THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER APPLICANT. SO CAN THAT PERSON HAVE THE TWO? I MEAN, WE HAVE ANOTHER APPLICANT. THERE'S FOUR. BRUCE. WE'RE TAKING OUT THE TOP LINE. WE'RE TAKING HIM OUT. WE'RE MOVING. THERE'S ANOTHER APPLICANT. OKAY. THERE'S ANOTHER APPLICANT. I'M TRYING TO THINK FROM ANOTHER BOARD. I'M TRYING TO DO DIANE MAYNARD. SHE'S. YEAH. WOULD LIKE TO SWITCH. HE'S TALKING ABOUT MAYNARD DIANE. IF SHE'S GOT A BOARD THOUGH, I THINK WE JUST MOVE CAROL UP. GIVE HER SOMETHING. YEAH. DIANE MAYNARD OKAY, WELL, THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING, DIANE. THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING BEFORE. DO WE WANT TO PUT CAROL OR DO WE WANT TO PUT DIANE IN? WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO? WELL, I MEAN, IF MR. WATERS IS IS NOT. WE HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER KEVIN. DO WE HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER THING FOR THAT? BECAUSE THE THE THING IS FOR TWO MEMBER APPOINTMENT, CAN WE START CAN WE ADD THAT IN THERE. SO IF MY IF MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT COUNCIL DOES NOT WANT TO REAPPOINT MR. WATERS, THEN WE WOULD NEED TO MOVE SOMEONE INTO THAT SEAT. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THE CONSENSUS IS TO MOVE MR. ADAMS, NOT MISS GARNER, WHO'S THE FIRST ALTERNATE INTO MR. WATERS SEAT, IF THAT'S THE CASE. AND AND THAT AND COUNCIL REAPPOINTS. MISS BAILEY, YOU HAVE A SECOND ALTERNATE POSITION THAT'S VACANT, WHICH

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I HATE TO DO THAT, BUT NO, YOU'VE ALREADY MADE A MOTION. AND I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A PRETTY WHO MADE THE SECOND MR. NEWMAN. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE AYE, AND THAT MOTION PASSES. THERE YOU GO, MR. HANLEY. YOU HAD A UNANIMOUS. SO

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SORRY, PRESTRESSED STEEL TO CORROSION. THOSE TWO TENDONS THAT YOU SEE IN THAT PARTICULAR PICTURE IS WHAT CARRIES THE LOAD OF THE GIRDERS FOR THE BRIDGE. THE CONCRETE IN THIS SITUATION ACTUALLY JUST PROVIDES COVER FOR IT TO PREVENT CORROSION TO THAT STEEL.

WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BASICALLY BE REQUIRED TO DO IS ENCASE THIS GIRDER, TO RESTORE THAT COVER THAT ALLOWS US TO PREVENT THE CORROSION TO THE STEEL, WHICH ALLOWS THE BRIDGE TO CONTINUE TO FUNCTION AS INTENDED. THE SCOPE OF SERVICES INCLUDES PERFORMING A FULL FIELD INSPECTION OF THE BRIDGE BEYOND WHAT DOT DID. THIS REQUIRES A VERY SPECIFIC INSPECTION, ALONG WITH DESTRUCTIVE AND NONDESTRUCTIVE TESTING. THE CONSULTANT WILL HAVE TO GO OUT THERE AND BASICALLY DRILL CORES IN SOME PORTIONS OF THE BRIDGE AFTER THEY'VE CLEANED IT, TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY OTHER POTENTIAL CRACKING OR DAMAGE THAT MAY LEAD TO A REDUCTION IN THE CLASSIFICATION OF THE LOADING OF THE BRIDGE. BASICALLY, HOW MUCH WEIGHT IT CAN CARRY. THE FIELD OF. INSPECTION AND REPAIR TO FIRE DAMAGED PRECAST CONCRETE STRUCTURES IS A VERY, VERY NARROW FIELD. SO OUR CONSULTANTS ARE HAVING TO BRING IN ENGINEERS FROM AS FAR AWAY FROM SEATTLE, BECAUSE IT'S A SPECIALTY ENGINEERING THAT HAS TO OCCUR HERE. THEIR TEAMS WILL BASICALLY COME OUT HERE. THEY'LL LOOK AT THE TWO SPANS THAT HAVE BEEN DAMAGED. THEY'RE GOING TO PROVIDE A FURTHER, MORE IN-DEPTH ASSESSMENT, PROVIDE THE RECOMMENDED REPAIRS, AND THEN SPEC OUT THE REPAIRS FOR THE BRIDGE ITSELF. AGAIN,

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WHAT TASK? WHAT? MAYOR? GO AHEAD. OKAY. MOTION TO APPROVE. SUBSTANTIAL IN THE FORM OF AN AUTHORIZATION FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE TASK ORDER NUMBER 81 2025 001 WITH ATKINS

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[D. PETITIONS, REMONSTRANCES, AND COMMUNICATIONS]

MISS HANLEY, WHERE ARE YOU. YES. ON THAT OR. NO. NO, I GOT ALL RIGHT. TWO, THREE. YES. LET ME.

I'M. YES, BUT MR. WATERS HAS BEEN ON THAT BOARD FOR A WHILE. DO WE KNOW HOW LONG HE'S BEEN ON THAT PLANNING AND ZONING? HE'LL FIND OUT THIS 18 YEARS. IS IT 18 YEARS? YEAH. OKAY, SO.

SO YOU GOT THAT. THE CHARTER AMENDMENT AND ATTENDANCE RECORDS. AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER THING, JENNY, WAS, I KNOW THAT A WHILE BACK WE DID IT WAS BEFORE MY TIME, BUT THERE WAS THIS STAFF ANALYSIS SURVEY THING AND THERE WAS SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT JUST SOME THINGS THAT WAS FROM THE COUNCIL. AND IS THERE AN UPDATE ON LIKE THE. WHAT DO YOU CALL IT, THE PERFORMANCE REVIEWS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. CAN WE GET AN UPDATE ON THAT? I'LL GET YOU AN UPDATE ON THAT. JUST ON WHAT NOW THERE WAS SOME RECOMMENDATIONS THAT CLASS AND COST AT THIS TIME. ATTENDANCE REVIEWS IT MASTER PLAN. AND SO I CAN I CAN DO AN UPDATE ON HOW THAT ALL WENT. YEAH GREAT. GREAT. THAT'S ALL I GOT OKAY. THANK YOU, MISS BASSETT.

GOODNESS. SORRY. I WENT TO THE O'GALLEY TREE LIGHTING FESTIVAL. THAT WAS REALLY NICE. MY KIDS HAD A GREAT TIME, SO IT WAS VERY WELL PUT TOGETHER. AND I SAW THE GRINCH AT THE MALL AND ALSO PUT ON BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. KIDS HAD A GREAT TIME. AGAIN, THE BABY, THANK GOODNESS, FELL ASLEEP BECAUSE SANTA'S SCARED HIM. I DON'T I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT THE GRINCH WOULD HAVE DONE TO HIM. SO AND THEN THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, I MENTIONED HOW I WAS TRYING TO ORGANIZE A FARMSHARE EVENT, BUT THE GOVERNMENT SHUT DOWN. I HAD TO DEFER IT. I FINALLY WAS ABLE TO SET IT ON A DATE WITH THEM FOR FEBRUARY 6TH. I WAS HOPING TO DO IT AT THE EDDIE TAYLOR PARK AND MAKE IT A CITY EVENT TO SO I COULD USE LIKE THE TABLES AND POSSIBLY IF WE NEED TRAFFIC CONTROL. AND HAVE WE DONE THIS EVENT BEFORE? I'VE NOT DONE ONE OF THOSE. THIS WOULD BE NEW TO ME KNOW IF I'VE EVER DONE IT AS A CITY OF I HAVEN'T, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF SOMEBODY ELSE HAS. THE LAST TIME YOU DID IT AS A IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE MISS DOT'S THANKSGIVING, AND SO THE MAINTENANCE OF TRAFFIC AND EVERYTHING WAS ALREADY SET UP FOR THAT, BECAUSE THAT IS PARTIALLY WE PROVIDE POLICE COMMUNITY RELATIONS FOR THAT.

SO IF IS THAT OKAY WITH YOU GUYS TO MAKE IT A CITY EVENT? OKAY. JUST WANT TO FEED PEOPLE, MAKE THEM HAPPY. YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S IT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. AND THEN MISS HANLEY OKAY I'M GOING TO GO QUICK. PICKLEBALL. PICKLEBALL AT THE JIMMY MOORE PARK. I WANT TO MAKE A RESOLUTION THAT WE HAVE EXTENDED HOURS, THAT WE MOVE. I'VE TALKED TO ROSS AND I'VE TALKED TO NICKY. THEY JUST NEED THE MONEY BEING MOVED IN. THE ACCOUNTS FOR PICKLEBALL TO BE EXTENDED ON SATURDAYS. THE THE PEOPLE THERE ONLY UNTIL APRIL. ONLY. WHILE IT'S COOL, THEY DON'T WANT IT. THEY KNOW THAT NOBODY'S GOING TO USE IT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SUMMER. IF WE CAN EXTEND IT ON SATURDAYS TO 5:00. I'M ASKING COUNCIL IF WE COULD GET A RESOLUTION, IF IT'S OKAY TO HAVE THE EXTENDED HOURS FOR PICKLEBALL AT THE JIMMY MOORE PARK, SHOULD WE HAVE THE PUBLIC HAVE A SAY IN THAT? BECAUSE WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT PICKLEBALL BEFORE. NO THEY DON'T. NO NOT THERE. IT'S IT'S IT'S NOT THERE IS THAT REQUIRE MORE FUNDING.

IF WE HAVE TO MOVE FUNDING FROM JENNY I'VE WE CAN BRING THIS BACK AS A COUNCIL ITEM. AND I THINK WE MOVE THIS WE I THINK IT'S ABOUT 5000 TO $7500 TOTAL. OKAY. SO DO YOU, IF YOU DON'T MIND. I'M SURE. CAN WE? WELL, I WAS GOING TO ASK SO THAT THEY CAN DO IT. SO AT THE START, AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR. THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING IF WE COULD SAY YES, IF IT'S ALL

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YEAH. OKAY. AND CAN I, I'D LIKE TO GO. YEAH I, I WAS AT THE LEAGUE OF CITIES AT THE FINANCE TAX AND FINANCE AND THERE WAS EIGHT BILLS. RIGHT NOW IT'S DOWN TO ONE. AND IT'S EVEN THE CRAZIEST ONE OF THEM ALL IS THAT IF IT IS A HOMESTEADED PROPERTY AND YOU HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE INSURANCE POLICY, HOMEOWNER'S INSURANCE POLICY, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO PAY PROPERTY TAXES. NOBODY KNOWS WHAT A COMPREHENSIVE INSURANCE POLICY THERE. THERE'S NO DEFINITION IF THAT PASSES. YES, YOU HEARD ME RIGHT. NOBODY KNOWS, BUT NOBODY KNOWS IF YOU HAVE AN INSURANCE, COMPREHENSIVE INSURANCE POLICY AND A HOMESTEADED PROPERTY, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO PAY PROPERTY TAXES. THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S GOING FORWARD AT THIS MOMENT. IF THIS PASSES THAT. BECAUSE I WENT TO ROSS'S OFFICE AND WE SPOKE, THAT IS ONE THIRD OF OUR BUDGET. SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW. EVERYBODY DOESN'T KNOW WHERE THIS IS TODAY. THERE WAS THE I ALWAYS WANT TO SAY OCCUPATIONAL TAX, A BUSINESS TAX RECEIPTS. THAT'S ABOUT $1 MILLION. AND THEY WANT TO DO AWAY WITH THAT, THAT NOW WE AS A CITY, THE STATE MANDATES THAT WE CHECK LIKE YOU HAVE YOUR I YOU KNOW I DON'T KNOW AS A CPA I HAVE TO HAVE MY INDIVIDUAL LICENSE AND THEN I HAVE TO HAVE A COMPANY LICENSE. THEY HAVE TO VERIFY THE STATE THE CITY HAS TO VERIFY. SO I PAID $200 EVERY YEAR FOR THIS SO THAT THEY VERIFY AND SEND IT TO THE STATE. IF THEY DO AWAY WITH THAT, WE WE GET 908, $980,000 TO DO THIS. THAT GOES INTO THE GENERAL FUNDS. AND IT DOES. IT GOES TO THE GENERAL FUND, AND IT WORKS FOR PAYS FOR THE EMPLOYEES THAT WE HAVE TO DO TO DO THE WORK TO DO THAT. SO THEY WANT TO DO AWAY WITH THAT ONE TO ANOTHER ONE THAT WAS THERE WAS SB 180, AND SB 180 IS THE ONE THAT IF THERE'S A HURRICANE JENNY, AM I I'M GOING TO LET YOU SAY THIS ONE. YOU SAY IT BETTER THAN I DO BECAUSE YOU KNOW THIS ONE PRETTY MUCH. YOU CAN'T DO ANY LAND USE CHANGES, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CHANGES. IF THERE HAS BEEN A HURRICANE LANDFALL OR OR WITHIN A YEAR, AND I, I PROBABLY GROSSLY SUMMARIZE THAT. BUT THAT IS CAUSING TROUBLE THROUGHOUT THE STATE. I THINK THAT THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE I THINK IT WAS CREATED BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE WORRIED THAT IF SOMETHING WAS DESTROYED BY THE HURRICANE, THEY WOULD TRY TO BE MORE STRINGENT GUIDELINES. BUT THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES ARE IT'S STOPPING A LOT OF LAND USE CHANGES AND CHANGES CITIES ARE WANTING TO MAKE THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH HURRICANES.

SO IS THAT STATEWIDE TO STATEWIDE? THAT WAS SENATE BILL 180. LET'S SAY THEY HIT THE CORNER OF LET'S SAY THEY GO THROUGH MARATHON. JUST GO THROUGH MARATHON AFFECTS THE WHOLE STATE. YEAH. SO WE NEED TO QUESTION. YEAH I MEAN THAT'S A GOOD WAY OF PUTTING IT BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A SMALL AREA THAT IT AFFECTS, IT STOPS THE WHOLE STATE FROM DOING ANY CHANGES OVER THERE. THEY HAD THE PEOPLE FROM TREASURE. TREASURE ISLAND, I BELIEVE THE MAYOR. AND SHE'S LIKE IT IS CAUSING SUCH HAVOC. AND THEY WANT TO MAKE SOME CHANGES BECAUSE THEY SAID RIGHT NOW THEY'RE REBUILDING. AND SHE SAYS IT'S GOING TO FLOOD AGAIN.

SO IT'S LIKE A RINSE AND REPEAT RATHER THAN MAKING THE CODE SO THAT THEY'RE BUILT UP. THEY CAN'T DO THAT. SO IT'S REALLY CAUSING A HABIT. SO WE REALLY NEED TO WORK ON. THAT'S ONE THING I'M GOING TO ASK COUNCIL IF IT'S OKAY FOR ME TO GO FOR THE WITH THE LEAGUE OF CITIES IN JANUARY, IF I CAN HAVE THE GO WITH THEM UP THERE IF IT'S OKAY. LEGISLATIVE DAYS. IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN? YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. THE LEGISLATION PUBLISHED BECAUSE I THINK A BUNCH OF US LIKE TO GO TO THAT. OH NO, THAT IS THE 26 DON'T COUNT. I KNOW IT'S LIKE THE 26TH TO THE 28TH

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I'M TRYING TO BE REALLY FAST SALES TAX. THE OTHER THING IS IF THEY DO THE SALES TAX THINGS, WE MIGHT BE 16% TO TO BOOST US UP. BUT OTHER WE'RE NOT BAD BECAUSE WE'RE MORE INDUSTRIAL.

MELBOURNE IS INDUSTRIAL, BUT YOU HAVE SOME OF THESE OTHER AREAS MORE IN THAT DON'T HAVE THE INDUSTRY THAT WE HAVE. NO, NO, WE'RE TALKING THE COUNTY AREA, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY, SOME OF THE OTHER COUNTIES, THEY WILL BE 48% TO ONLY PAUL. BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE LOOKING AT LIBERTY COUNTIES AND SOME OF THESE OTHER I'LL SAY THEY'RE SURE I'M SURE SHE'S DONE ACTUALLY BEEN THERE DONE PALM. SO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT. AND SO THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE I DON'T THINK THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT WE DO KNOW. THERE WILL BE NO STREETS WORK DONE. WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH YOUR EMPLOYEES? OKAY. NEXT. OH, NOPE. SHE'S SECOND TO LAST. SORRY.

GOOD, GOOD. MR. SMITH. SORRY. THESE ARE ANSWERS FOR 2026. YEAH, I DID ATTEND MRS. DOT THANKSGIVING EVENT AGAIN. IT WAS WONDERFUL. GREAT TURNOUT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED.

AND WE MAY WANT TO TRY TO BRING IT UP. I THINK WE MAY WANT TO LOOK AT MAYBE NAMING THE KITCHEN. THIS IS LIKE THE 27TH YEAR. AND THEY DID SOMETHING INFORMAL FOR HER. THEY NAMED THE KITCHEN. BUT I THINK WE MAY WANT TO FORMALIZE THAT. MR. ART. WHAT WOULD THAT TAKE? LIKE WHAT WHAT TO DO TO GET THAT? I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I KNOW ART. WHAT'S HIS NAME? ART, WHO RUNS THE REC CENTER THERE? WE JUST PUT A PLAQUE IN ONE OF OUR KITCHENS. I'M SURE THAT'S EASY.

I THINK IT'S PRETTY EASY. WHAT'S THE DIRECTOR OF THE EDDIE TAYLOR CENTER? ARCH BROWN.

YEAH, THEY DID INFORM, BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA. I MEAN, I DIDN'T GIVE HER MORE IF WE COULD, LIKE. SHE DOES A LOT. I DON'T KNOW, MAN. SOMETHING ABOUT IT. WE HAVE AN ITEM ABOUT IT SOMEWHERE TO HONOR HER. TALK ABOUT IF YOU WANT MORE THAN A KITCHEN. I MEAN, I THINK I DID IT INFORMALLY, BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS A REALLY COOL IDEA, SOMETHING WE COULD REALLY DO.

THIS FAMILY. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO. YOU WANT SOMETHING BIGGER THAN A KITCHEN IDEA? WHAT'S AVAILABLE TO GIVE? YEAH. I MEAN, I THINK I THINK THAT BECAUSE SHE USES THE KITCHEN, SHE USES THAT KITCHEN EVERY YEAR. SHE USED TO RUN THAT CENTER WHEN IT HAD, YOU KNOW, SHE RAN IT. SO I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE A NICE FORMAL WAY. JUST. JENNY, WHAT ARE YOU. LOOK, YOU GOT YOUR MOUTH THERE, RIGHT? AND JUST SAY, ALL RIGHT, EVERYBODY, COME ON. RIGHT IN THE POCKET ALREADY. YES, SIR. YEAH. SO JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT AND ASK FOR FORGIVENESS. YEAH, WELL, ASK FOR FORGIVENESS, NOT PERMISSION. YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT'S THAT PART HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE. BUT I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT US FORMALLY I GOT YOU.

YEAH, I DID ATTEND THE THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES LEGISLATIVE CONFERENCE. THAT WAS MY FIRST ONE. I HAD A GREAT TIME WITH MISS HOLLY SMITH, PRESIDENT, SOME INTERVIEWS AND OTHER THINGS. ALSO WENT TO THE SPACE COAST LEAGUE OF CITIES DINNER HOSTED BY COCO. AND I TELL YOU THAT WE VENTURE PRESENTATION THAT THEY DID ABOUT THE SMALL BUSINESS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ALL THOUGHT ABOUT THAT, BUT THE YOUNG LADY WHO STOOD UP AND SPOKE ABOUT HER BUSINESS AND JUST HOW IT REALLY IMPACTED HER BUSINESS, I'M GOING TO ACTUALLY SEND SOME OF THE SLIDES IN THE VIDEO. I CAPTURED THE VIDEO. THE ONE THING, MR. SMITH THAT RESONATED WITH ME DURING THAT PRESENTATION WAS THIS. THEY COMPARED IT TO WE GIVE TAX ABATEMENTS TO THE BIG COMPANIES, THE BIG BUSINESSES. SO WE GIVE MONEY TO THOSE COMPANIES TO COME INTO OUR AREA. SO WHY WOULDN'T WE GIVE A LITTLE BIT TO SMALL BUSINESS, SMALL BUSINESSES TO COME AND THEN REVITALIZE IT, JUST LIKE THAT ONE WE'RE DOING IN THE CRA EXPANSION? YOU KNOW, THAT'S GOING TO BRING MORE THINGS TO THE I JUST KEPT SAYING IT. SHE SAID IT AND SHE SHE WAS SAYING IT FROM THE HEART, YOU KNOW. SO, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO LOOK AT, TO MAYBE DO BECAUSE I THINK COCO, WHAT THEY HAD SAID THAT THEY STARTED WITH

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SO BUT I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS VERY WELL, IT WAS VERY WELL RECEIVED FROM THE OTHER CITIES THAT WAS THERE. SO AND THEN FINALLY, I THINK YOU ALL HAVE FLIERS. DEFINITELY WANT TO PERSONALLY INVITE YOU ALL TO MY BIRTHDAY PARTY FUNDRAISER JANUARY 24TH, 2026. DOING IT AT CLUB 52. IT'S GOING TO BE A WONDERFUL TIME. CLUB 52 IS REINVENTING THEMSELVES. YOU'VE NEVER BEEN THERE. IT'S GOING TO BE A GREAT THING THAT THEY'RE DOING. IT'S ALSO IN SUPPORT OF BREVARD. AND WE VENTURE AGAIN, YOU'RE HEARING THAT. SO LET ME KNOW IF YOU GOT ANY QUESTIONS.

WE'D LOVE YOUR SUPPORT. LOVE TO HAVE YOUR PRESENCE THERE. AND YOU KNOW THAT'S IT. GOING TO BE THE PIT BOSS. HEY IT IS A HARLEM NIGHTS THEME. THERE WE GO. YEP. SO, YOU KNOW, BRING OUT YOUR OLD SCHOOL AND I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO HAVE A WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A MOVIE NIGHT, A MOVIE WATCH NIGHT PRIOR TO THE EVENT. SO WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT THE AMERICAN LEGION MID JANUARY. SO THAT WAY YOU CAN PULL OUT YOUR EDDIE MURPHY AND YOU KNOW, HARLEM NIGHTS. THAT'S WHY YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME WATCH THE MOVIE NETFLIX. THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE TO COME WATCH THE MOVIE. SO THAT WAY YOU CAN REALLY SEE. RIGHT PINKY? YOU SHOT MY PINKY TOE, YOU KNOW? YEAH. OH, YEAH. SO THAT MOVIE FEATURES EDDIE MURPHY AND RICHARD PRYOR. THAT WAS THE FIRST MOVIE TOGETHER, RIGHT? YEAH. POW, POW. YOU KNOW, IT'S A CLASSIC MOVIE. YEAH. SO. ALL RIGHT. COOL. HOW ABOUT YOU, MR. I ABSOLUTELY BEG YOUR FORGIVENESS, MISS KENNEDY, FOR MISPRONOUNCING YOUR NAME EARLIER. BUT IF YOU IF YOU IF YOU IF YOU SPELLED OUT SIDEWAYS, IT SPELLS KENNEDY. OKAY. SO JUST SO YOU KNOW THAT. OKAY. OF COURSE WE ALL KNOW THAT THAT WE WERE. PLEASE, I DO DEEPLY APOLOGIZE. I WAS THAT FOR A VERY LONG TIME, SO I UNDERSTAND OKAY. IT HAS BEEN TWO AND A HALF YEARS THOUGH OF COURSE THE THE COUNTY COMMISSION LOOKING FORWARD TO GOING TO THE NEXT ONE AS WELL TOO. ALL HANDS ON DECK, YOU KNOW, THANKS FOR ALL YOUR SUPPORT ON THAT. THE TREE LIGHTING DOWNTOWN. THANK YOU FOR BEING THERE. THANK YOU FOR BEING THERE YOURSELF AS WELL. TO JENNY AND WHOEVER ELSE WAS THERE THAT I DIDN'T SEE, WE HAD SNOW MACHINES. THAT WAS FUN, THAT, I MEAN, THE KIDS WENT CRAZY. WE HAD THREE OF THEM. WE HAD ONE THIS WAY AND TWO THIS WAY. AND AS SOON AS WE ANNOUNCED IT ON STAGE SAID, ONE, TWO, THREE, MAKE A SNOW. AND I'M GOING TO TELL YOU, IT WAS ONE OF THE COOLEST THINGS I'VE SEEN IN A LONG, LONG TIME IN THAT SQUARE. SO I HOPE THAT, WELL, SOMEONE ELSE WILL BE IN CHARGE OF IT NEXT YEAR, YOU KNOW? SO, BUT I'LL BE THERE, YOU KNOW FOR SURE. AND I THINK THAT'S IT FOR ME BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU EVERYBODY. AND I WANT TO WISH EVERYBODY A MERRY CHRISTMAS. AND I WANT TO WISH EVERYBODY A HAPPY NEW YEAR. AND OF COURSE, A HAPPY HANUKKAH AS WELL TOO. AND ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU MAY, YOU KNOW, YOUR RELIGIOUS CONSENTS, WHATEVER, YOU KNOW. SO HAVE FUN, BE SAFE. YOU KNOW, WE GOT A LOT GOING ON ON THE CITY, AND I'M VERY PROUD TO BE HERE FOR ANOTHER YEAR, I REALLY AM. THANK YOU, MR. KENNEDY. SO I'M GOING TO KEEP IT QUICK AS IT'S GETTING CLOSE TO MIDNIGHT. TREE LIGHTING, MELBOURNE AND O'GALLEY GREAT, GREAT EXPERIENCE. THE LEAGUE OF CITIES WAS GREAT AS WELL. IT WAS A FUN TIME AND THE JEWEL ACADEMY PERFORMED. THEIR STEP TEAM PERFORMED AGAIN AND THEY WERE GREAT. THE LEGISLATIVE DAYS IS THE 26TH THROUGH THE 28TH. I WILL NOT BE THERE BECAUSE I WILL BE TEACHING OUR YOUNGINS, BUT I DO ENCOURAGE ANYBODY THAT CAN GO TO GO. I WILL BE CONTACTING OUR STATE LEGISLATORS BEHIND THE SCENES, BUT ANY ALL OF OUR VOICES, YOU KNOW, AS MR. CONNELLY HAS SAID, ELECTED OFFICIALS LISTEN TO ELECTED OFFICIALS. SO IT WILL BE GOOD FOR US TO GET OUR OPINION OUT THERE. I'M GOING TO TRY MY HARDEST TO GET THERE ON TUESDAY, SINCE IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY. I AM GOING TO TRY MY HARDEST TO GET THERE AND FLEX MY TIME A LITTLE BIT IF I CAN. SO THAT'S IT. ALMOST 12:00. OKAY. AND LAST, JUST WANT TO WISH EVERYBODY A HAPPY HOLIDAY AND BE SAFE

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