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TURN TO A 20 MINUTE, SO, YEAH.
GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO SEVENTH SEPTEMBER 11TH, UH, 2025 REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
BEFORE WE BEGIN THE MEETING, I'LL REVIEW, REVIEW THE PROCEDURES FOR THE MEETINGS.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK, COMPLETE A REQUEST TO SPEAK FORM LOCATED AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE COUNCIL CHAMBER, AND SUBMIT THE COMPLETED FORM TO THE SERGEANT IN ARMS. WHEN YOUR NAME HAS BEEN CALLED, USE A MICROPHONE AT THE ELECTRON ON THE AUDIENCE'S RIGHT AND EITHER STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, OR YOUR NAME AND CITY.
SPEAK TO THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE BODY.
DO NOT ADDRESS THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS INDIVIDUALLY.
BE MINDFUL THE TIME OR THE ELECTRON, AND WRAP UP YOUR COMMENT BEFORE YOUR SPEAKING TIME ENDS.
THE TIME LIMITS ARE POSTED ON THE REQUEST TO SPEAK FORM.
AN APPLICANT REPRESENTATIVE OR PERSON WHO HAS LEGAL STANDING TO SUPPORT OR OPPOSE A QUASI-JUDICIAL MATTER WILL BE PERMITTED ENOUGH TIME AS RUTH BE DETERMINED BY THE CITY COUNCIL TO CREATE A RECORD BEFORE THE COUNCIL.
ANY PERSON WHO MAKES A PERSONAL AND PARTNER, OR SLANDEROUS OR REMARKS, OR BECOME BOISTEROUS OR DISRESPECTFUL WHILE ADDRESSING THE CITY COUNCIL, WE'LL BE ABLE TO LEAD THE COUNCIL CHAMBER.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US THIS EVENING.
WE'LL BEGIN WITH THE INVOCATION.
IF YOU WISH TO PARTICIPATE, PLEASE STAND AND TONIGHT WILL BE VICE MAYOR DAVE NEWMAN.
ALRIGHT, IF YOU ALL PRAY WITH ME, HEAVENLY FATHER, THANK YOU FOR THE BLESSINGS YOU GIVE US IN THE CITY OF MELBOURNE.
THANK YOU FOR OUR STAFF WHO DEDICATE THEIR CAREERS TO SERVING THE PUBLIC.
THANK YOU FOR OUR ELECTED LEADERS WHO TAKE THE TIME FROM THEIR FAMILIES AND PERSONAL PURSUITS TO HELP OUR COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU TO OUR MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY WHO SHOWED UP TO OUR MEETING TODAY FOR TAKING TIME TO ENGAGE IN OUR CITY'S BUSINESS AND HELP MOVE OUR CITY FORWARD BASED ON THEIR IDEAS AND EXPERIENCES.
TODAY IS A SOMBER DAY FOR MANY REASONS.
FIRST WE ASK FOR YOUR COMFORT FOR THE FAMILIES OF THOSE LOST IN THE NINE 11 ATTACKS 24 YEARS AGO TODAY.
MAY YOUR GRACE PROVIDE HEALING FOR THE FIRST RESPONDERS AND ALL THOSE IMPACTED THAT SAD DAY.
ADDITIONALLY, IN THE AFTERMATH OF THE ASSASSINATION OF CHARLIE KIRK, WE PRAY FOR HIS SOUL, WIFE, CHILDREN, AND FAMILY.
MAY THIS ACT NOT DIVIDE OUR COUNTRY, BUT INSTEAD BRING US CLOSER TOGETHER AND CLOSER TO YOU.
MAY THE HEARTS OF THOSE WHO HAVE ANGER TOWARDS THOSE WHO DIS, WHO THEY DISAGREE WITH, BE CALMED WITH BOTH OF THESE TROUBLING EVENTS AND THE LOSS OF LIFE ON THE PUBLIC TRANSIT NORTH CAROLINA.
WE PRAY FOR YOUR INTERCESSION AND GUARDIANSHIP OF YOUR ANGELS AS CATHOLICS CELEBRATE THE FRANCISCAN TRADITION OF ST.
WE PRAY FOR YOUR AID AND THAT OF ST.
MICHAEL WITH THIS PRAYER, SAINT MICHAEL, THE ARCHANGEL, DEFEND US IN BATTLE.
BE OUR PROTECTION AGAINST THE WICKEDNESS AND THE SNARES OF THE DEVIL.
WE HUMBLY PRAY AND DO THOU WHILE PRINCE OF HEAVENLY HOSTS BY THE POWER OF GOD CAST INTO HELL, SATAN, AND ALL THE EVIL SPIRITS SEEKING THE RUIN OF SOULS.
THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR, PLEASE JOIN US FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALL ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
AND ALSO, UH, BEFORE WE START, I'D LIKE TO DO A, A MOMENT OF SILENCE FOR, FOR THE, UH, ALL THE VICTIMS OF NINE 11 AND FOR, UH, FOR CHARLIE KIRK.
SO PLEASE, A MOMENT OF SILENCE.
UH, MR. MCEWEN, COUNCIL MEMBER BASSETT.
UH, WE HAVE NO PROCLAMATION, PROCLAMATION TO PRESENTATION, BUT WE'LL GO TO THE ITEM NUMBER FIVE, APPROVAL OF THE MINUTE OF THE AUGUST 26TH, 2025.
UM, APPROVAL OF, UH, MINUTES FROM THE AUGUST 26TH, 2025.
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A MOTION BY MS. HANLEY, SECOND BY MS. BASSETT.UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
MOVE ON TO, UH, ITEM SIX, CITY MANAGER'S REPORT.
UM, I HAVE A COUPLE THINGS TO BRING UP.
THE FIRST ONE IS, AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT, WHAT WE WANTED TO DO ABOUT THE NOVEMBER 11TH COUNCIL MEETING.
I KNOW WE SAID WE WEREN'T GOING TO BRING IT BACK UNTIL OCTOBER.
HOWEVER, WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION ABOUT THAT BY THE SECOND MEETING IN SEPTEMBER BECAUSE OF ADVERTISEMENT REQUIREMENTS FOR SOME OF OUR PLANNING AND ZONING ITEMS AND SO FORTH.
SO I AM GONNA BE PUTTING SOMETHING ON THE NEXT AGENDA FOR THAT.
I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS INPUT AGAIN ON THAT OR IF WE'RE GONNA DECIDE THAT ON THE FLY THAT NIGHT, IT WOULD BE EASIER TO TO HAVE A, A BRIEF DISCUSSION.
AND IF WE WANNA HAVE THIS AFTER ALL THE REGULAR BUSINESS, I'M HAPPY WITH DOING THAT AT THE END OF THE MEETING TOO.
HOW ABOUT IF WE JUST GO FOR THE THURSDAY, THE, NOT THE TWO, THE TUESDAY, WELL, I FORGOT WHAT THE TUESDAY WAS, BUT THE THURSDAY OF THAT SAME WEEK BE LIKE THIS AND JUST BE DONE.
IT'S EASIER TO HAVE A SMALLER, UM, AGENDA RATHER THAN ONE OF THE, THE SUPER LONG ONES.
AND WE DON'T, I, I WONDER IF EVERYBODY YEAH.
WOULD YOU PREFER TO HAVE IT ON A THURSDAY? YEAH, THAT WOULD BE NOVEMBER 13TH AND THE COUNCIL CHAMBER IS AVAILABLE.
OH, WHY DON'T WE DO THAT? YOU GOOD WITH THAT? OKAY.
WE'LL PREPARE THE RESOLUTION FOR THE NEXT MEETING THEN IF WE HAVE CONSENSUS.
EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT? AND WE'RE, WAS THAT ALSO YOU, I I RECALL THIS GOING BACK A COUPLE WEEKS NOW, A LITTLE BIT AGO NOW.
WAS THAT PUTTING ALL THE MEETINGS INTO THAT FOR THE 25TH OR ARE WE STILL HAVING THE 25TH? WE WOULD STILL HAVE THE 25TH UNLESS, OKAY.
JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THERE'S OTHER DIRECTION HERE, RIGHT? NO, NO, NO.
I WAS JUST CURIOUS FROM YOUR, FROM YOUR PORTION OF THAT, BECAUSE NORMALLY REMEMBER DECEMBER, WE TAKE ONE OFF IN DECEMBER AT THE END AS WELL.
SO WE ARE PROBABLY BETTER HAVE ONE ON THURSDAY SO WE CAN KEEP IT THE ITEM DOWN, KEEP IT IN THERE SO THAT WE ARE NOT HAVING THESE SUPER, SUPER AGENDAS.
AND THE ONLY OTHER THING I HAD TO BRING UP, I HAVE TWO ITEMS TO TALK ABOUT DISCUSSION ITEMS. AND, UM, I, IF I COULD BRING THAT UP AT THE END WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT PETITIONS FOR MONS, I GREATLY APPRECIATE THAT.
EVERYBODY GOOD? ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. LAMB? NO.
I ONLY SAY IS THAT THE MIND CAN ONLY ABSORB AS MUCH AS THE BUT CAN ENDURE.
ALRIGHT, WE'LL GO IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE.
DO WE HAVE ANY SIGNUP SHEETS? WE DON'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT.
ANYBODY LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME DURING PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY.
WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND CLOSE.
WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO, UH, UNFINISHED BUSINESS ITEM NUMBER EIGHT OR NUMBER 2025 DASH 40.
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, PROVIDING FOR THE VACATION OF A ONE FOOT WIDE BY 14 FOOT LONG PORTION OF THE SEVEN AND A HALF FOOT WIDE PUBLIC UTILITY EASE AND DRAINAGE EASEMENT THAT RUNS ALONG THE WEST SIDE OF LOT 31 OF THE SWEETWOOD ESTATES.
PLAT 1627 SWEETWOOD DRIVE, MAKING FINDINGS PROVIDING THAT THIS ORDINANCE SHALL BE RECORDED IN THE PUBLIC RECORDS OF BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND PROVIDING AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE.
ANY QUESTIONS, UH, FOR MR. CONLEY? ALL RIGHT, MR. TURNER, YOU'LL NEED TO UNLOCK YOUR IPHONE FIRST.
HOW MAYOR? GOOD EVENING COUNSEL.
UM, THIS IS THE, UH, SECOND READING OF THIS ORDINANCE.
I DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER, UH, INFORMATION TO ADD TO THIS.
ANY, ANYBODY QUE HAVE THE QUESTION FOR MR. ERNEST? OKAY.
UH, DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR THIS? MAYOR? GOOD APPROVAL.
UH, THIS IS A QUAS IDEA TO SHOW ITEM.
ANY DISCLOSURES? UH, NO, NO DISCLOSURE IN THIS PUBLIC HEARING, BUT WE HAVE NO SIGNAGE SHEET TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND GO BACK.
GO MS. BASSETT, UH, APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025 DASH 40.
I HAVE A MOTION BY MS. BASSETT, SECOND BY MRS. KENNEDY FOR ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE.
MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER NINE, MR. ENNI.
UH, THIS IS, UH, THIS IS FOR WORK ORDER NUMBER 24 DASH ZERO FIVE TO THE ANNUAL RESURFACING PROGRAM FOR THE MILLING AND RESURFACING OF THE FRONT STREET PARKING LOTS WITH VA PAVING INC.
UH, THE FRONT STREET CIVIC CENTER PARKING LOT WAS PARKING LOT WAS PREVIOUSLY REVIEWED BY PARKS AND ENGINEERING STAFF, AND IT WAS FOUND THAT IT NEEDED RESURFACING.
UH, THE CRITERIA THAT WE ASSESS IT IS THE SAME CRITERIA WE USE TO ASSESS ROADWAYS.
UM, THE FIRST PHASE OF THE RESURFACING WILL ADDRESS THE SOUTHERN PARKING LOTS IN THE CENTRAL PARKING LOT, OR, SORRY, THE SOUTHERN MOST PARKING LOT THAT SERVICES THE PARK FACILITY AND THE SOUTHERN MOST PARKING LOT THAT SERVICES THE CIVIC CENTER FACILITY.
UM, WE ARE INTENDING ON DOING THE REMAINING PORTIONS OF THE PARKING LOTS WHEN WE DO THE WORK TO, UM, UPGRADE THE PIER FACILITIES.
UH, WE DIDN'T WANT TO UPGRADE THE ASPHALT BEFORE WE GO
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IN THERE TO TEAR THE PIERS OUT BECAUSE CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT WOULD LIKELY DAMAGE IT.UH, SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO TIME THIS.
UM, IT IS A FUTURE PROGRAM TO PROJECT, UM, THE FRONT STREET CIVIC CENTER REPAVING PROJECT WAS PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED AND DEFERRED UNDER THE FISCAL YEAR 2024 BUDGET.
UH, THE SCOPE OF WORK CONCLUDES REPAVING THE PARKING AREAS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE CIVIC CENTER AND SOUTH SIDE PARK.
AS SHOWN IN THE ATTACHED EXHIBIT.
UM, WE ARE REQUESTING, UM, THAT THE APPROVED SUBSTANTIALLY IN THE FORM OF AN AUTHORIZATION FOR A CITY MANAGER TO SIGN WORK ORDER NUMBER 24 DASH ZERO FIVE TO THE ASPHALT MILLING ANNUAL RESURFACING PROGRAM FOR THE FRONT STREET CIVIC CENTER, SOUTH PARKING LOTS, REPAVING WITH VA PAVING INC.
OF COCOA FLORIDA PROJECT NUMBER 1 2 4 2 3 IN THE AMOUNT OF $56,000, OR SORRY, $56,333.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. ERNEST? NO.
DO WE HAVE ANY, UH, DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THIS MAYOR? GO AHEAD.
APPROVAL SUBSTANTIALLY IN THE FORM OF AN AUTHORIZATION OF THE CITY, MAN.
OH, WAIT, DID I DO THIS? A WORK ORDER NUMBER 24 DASH ZERO FIVE TO THE ASPHALT MILLING ANNUAL RESURFACING PROGRAM FOR FRONT STREET CIVIC CENTER, SOUTH PARKING LOTS, REPAVING WITH VA PAVING INC.
COCOA FLORIDA PROJECT NUMBER 1 2 4 2 3 IN THE AMOUNT OF $56,333.
I HAVE A MOTION BY MS. TANLEY, AND WE HAVE A SECOND BY MS. BASSETT.
IN THAT MOTION PASSES, WE'RE MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 10.
THIS IS THE CONSENT AGENDAS, ITEMS A THROUGH D.
MAYOR MS. HANLEY APPROVAL OF, UH, CONSENT ITEMS A THROUGH D.
SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION BY MS. HANLEY, SECOND BY MRS. KENNEDY.
UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
SO WE'RE MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 12.
THIS IS GONNA BE ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025 DASH 41.
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, PROVIDING FOR THE VACATION OF A 15 FOOT WIDE BIKE PATH EASEMENT THAT RUNS ACROSS THE EAST 15 FEET OF LOT.
ONE 18 BLOCK A OF THE WICKHAM FOREST, PHASE ONE PLAT BETWEEN 24 65 AND 24 55 WILDWOOD DRIVE, MAKING FINDINGS, PROVIDING FOR A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, PROVIDING THAT THIS ORDINANCE SHALL BE RECORDED IN THE PUBLIC RECORDS, TOVAR COUNTY, FLORIDA, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND PROVIDING AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE.
ARE YOU GONNA DO IT OR AM I DOING I, GO AHEAD, SIR.
SO BEFORE, BEFORE WE GET INTO THIS, SUBSTANTIVELY, UM, THE CITY ENGINEER IN OUR OFFICE OF RECEIVED CORRESPONDENCE FROM THE APPLICANT REQUESTING POSTPONEMENT OF THIS ITEM.
UM, AND SO BEFORE, BEFORE WE GET INTO THIS SUBSTANTIVELY THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING FOR COUNSEL TO CONSIDER.
IF, IF YOU'RE WILLING TO, UM, POSTPONE THIS ITEM FOR THE APPLICANT.
I, I WILL RECOMMEND IF YOU'RE CONSIDERING POSTPONEMENT TO DO SO TO A SPECIFIC DATE, TIME, AND PLACE CERTAIN, UM, THE EMAIL THAT I SAW, I, I WOULDN'T EVEN SAY THAT THEY'RE NECESSARILY READY TO MOVE FORWARD IN THE SECOND SEPTEMBER MEETING.
SO I'D SAY AT EARLY, AT EARLIEST, WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT THE OCTOBER 14TH, UM, COUNCIL MEETING FOR, UH, BRINGING THIS ITEM BACK.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE APPLICANT WISHES TO BRING THIS BACK IN OCTOBER? THAT'S YES.
AND WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT CORRESPONDENCE TO THAT EFFECT.
W WOULD, CAN I, WOULD WE, UH, CAN WE HAVE A MOTION, UH, TO BRING IT BACK, UH, OCTOBER 14TH.
MAYOR PAM, I, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO BRING IT BACK OCTOBER 14TH AND I'LL SECOND THAT SO WE HAVE A MOTION.
IT REQUIRES THIS LEVEL OF SPECIFICITY.
OCTOBER 14TH, CITY COUNCIL MEETING AT SIX 30 HERE IN COUNCIL CHAMBER.
YEAH, THAT, THAT MOTION WILL BE SIX 30 AT THE COUNCIL, UH, FOR THAT, FOR THAT MEETING, YEAH.
6:30 PM ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 13, UM, GONNA BE, OR, UH, ORDINANCE, UH, 42, 43 AND 44.
UH, ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025 DASH 42, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, PROVIDING FOR THE ANNEXATION OF 1.0 PLUS OR MINUS SEVEN, I'M SORRY, 1.07 PLUS OR MINUS ACRES OF DEVELOPED PROPERTY AND 0.36 PLUS OR MINUS ACRES OF ADJACENT ROAD AND CANAL RIGHT OF WAY LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF EAST DRIVE, SOUTH OF DOW ROAD, AND NORTH OF ELLIS ROAD, 3 25 EAST DRIVE, PROVIDING FOR THE EXTENSION OF THE CORPORATE LIMITS AND BOUNDARIES THEREOF, PROVIDING THAT THIS ORDINANCE SHALL BE RECORDED IN THE PUBLIC RECORDS OF BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND PROVIDING AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE.
TOGETHER WITH ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025 DASH 43, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, RELATING TO COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING, MAKING FINDINGS AMENDING APPENDIX D CHAPTER FOUR, SECTION 4.04 OF THE CITY CODE AMENDING THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BY ESTABLISHING AN INDUSTRIAL FUTURE LAND USE MAP CLASSIFICATION ON 1.07, PLUS OR MINUS ACRES OF DEVELOPED PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF EAST DRIVE, SOUTH OF DOW ROAD AND NORTH OF ELLIS ROAD 3 25 EAST DRIVE, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND PROVIDING AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE.
TOGETHER WITH ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025 DASH 44, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY
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OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP AS IT RELATES TO GENERAL ZONING.ORDINANCE NUMBER 2005 DASH ONE 20 BY ESTABLISHING M1 LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING ON 1.07, PLUS OR MINUS ACRES OF DEVELOPED PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF EAST DRIVE, SOUTH OF DOW ROAD AND NORTH OF ELLIS ROAD, 3 25 EAST DRIVE, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND PROVIDING AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE.
REPORT ON THIS AS MISS CINDY DIPMAR.
YES, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
UH, THIS IS THE FIRST OF THREE ORDINANCES, ANNEXING, 1.43 ACRES OF LAND AND ESTABLISHING AN INDUSTRIAL FUTURE LAND USE IN M1 ZONING ON A 1.07 ACRE PORTION OF A PROPERTY.
ALL LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF EAST DRIVE, SOUTH OF DOW ROAD AND NORTH OF ELLIS ROAD.
UPON ANNEXATION, UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WILL BE LOCATED IN COUNCIL DISTRICT FIVE.
UM, SO THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS REQUESTED, UM, THAT THE 1.07 ACRES OF PROPERTY BE ANNEXED INTO THE CITY OF MELBOURNE.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, THERE'S 0.36 ACRES OF RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, THAT IS BOTH THE, BOTH THE ADJACENT, UM, UH, ROADWAY FRONTAGE AS WELL AS THE CANAL FRONTAGE TO THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY THAT ARE BEING INCLUDED IN THE ANNEXATION PORTION.
UM, THE PROPERTY ALREADY CURRENTLY HAS, UM, EXISTING CITY WATER SERVICE AND, UM, OPERATES ON A EXISTING SEPTIC TANK, UM, FOR THE PROPERTY, AND THAT WILL CONTINUE.
UM, THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED A, UM, SMALL ADDITION TO THE EXISTING WAREHOUSE ON THE PROPERTY, AND, UM, STAFF HAS REVIEWED THAT, UM, FOR THE, THE BASICS OF OUR CITY CODE REQUIREMENTS AND DO BELIEVE THAT THAT WILL MEET OUR CODE REQUIREMENTS.
UM, AFTER ANNEXATION, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO SUBMIT THOSE PLANS TO THE ENGINEERING, UM, UH, DEPARTMENT AND OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT FOR REVIEW.
UM, THE PROPOSED M1 ZONING IS SIMILAR TO THE EXISTING, UM, IU ZONING IN THAT IT ALLOWS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES IS, WHICH IS PREDOMINANTLY WHAT YOU SEE OUT IN THIS AREA ALONG EAST AND WEST DRIVE.
UM, THE UNINCORPORATED ENCLAVE AREA, UM, THIS IS A SMALL PORTION OF IT, UM, THAT IS ALONG EAST DRIVE.
UM, THIS WILL ASSIST IN REDUCING THAT ENCLAVE.
UH, THE ANNEXATION, UH, DOESN'T PROPOSE ANY, UM, PROBLEMS WITH PROVISION OF MUNICIPAL SERVICES FROM THE CITY AND THE LAND USE AND ZONING ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE INDUSTRIAL AREA.
UH, THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD DID VOTE UNANIMOUSLY TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THESE PROPOSED THREE REQUESTS AND STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025 DASH 42 APPROVAL, ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025 DASH 43 AND APPROVAL ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025 DASH 44, ALL BASED UPON THE FINDINGS CONTAINED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEMORANDUM.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. SKIPPER? ALRIGHT.
IS THE QUASI-JUDICIAL ITEM ANY DISCLOSURES ON THIS ITEM? A NOTE, NO DISCLOSURE THAT THE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT THERE ARE NO SIGNUPS SHEETS.
BRING IT BACK TO COUNSEL MAYOR.
APPROVAL ORDINANCE 2025 DASH 42 BASED UPON THE FINES CONTAINED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEMORANDUM.
I HAVE A MOTION BY MS. HANLEY, SECOND BY MS. BASSETT.
ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE A AND A PASSES B MAYOR APPROVAL ORDINANCE 2025 DASH 43 BASED UPON THE FINDINGS CONTAINED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING.
I'M A MOTION AND THEN A SECOND BY MSS, UH, KENNEDY, UH, ALL THOSE THEM EVER SAY AYE.
AND THAT MOTION PASSES AND IT'S COMING UP NOW, UH, C MAYOR APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE 2025 DASH 44 BASED UPON THE FINDINGS CONTAINED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEMORANDUM, I I'LL SECOND THAT ONE.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION, ONE CLARIFICATION FOR THAT, FOR THAT LAST MOTION THERE.
THERE IS A CONDITION ON THE, UM, ZONING ORDINANCE.
SO IF WE CAN, IF WE CAN ADOPT, IF WE CAN ADOPT 2025 DASH 44 BASED ON THE FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS CONTAINED IN THE PLANNING ZONING BOARD MEMBER.
SO WE'RE GONNA AMEND THAT TO FINDING AND CONDITION AND CONDITIONS.
I DIDN'T HAVE THAT ONE ON MY, ME NEITHER.
FINDING THE CONDITION THEN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEMBER IN SECOND.
MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER, ORDINANCE NUMBER 20 25 45.
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA.
PROVIDING FURTHER REPEAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 2012 DASH 39, AMENDING THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP AS IT RELATES TO GENERAL ZONING.
ORDINANCE NUMBER 2005 DASH ONE 20 BY GRANTING A CONDITIONAL USE TO ALLOW FOR THE SALE OF SALE AND SERVICE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES, BEER AND WINE FOR CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES IN A 1,957 PLUS OR MINUS SQUARE FOOT UNIT LOCATED ON A 0.26 PLUS OR MINUS, UH, ACRE, DEVELOPED ACRE ZONE C3 CENTRAL BUSINESS LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF NEW HAVEN AVENUE, WEST OF GRANT PLACE, AND EAST OF LIVINGSTON STREET, 7 0 1 EAST NEW HAVEN AVENUE.
PROVIDING FOR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL PROVIDING THAT THIS CONDITIONAL USE GRANTED HEREIN MAY BE REVOKED BY CITY COUNCIL IF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL ARE NOT MET, PROVIDING THAT THE PROPERTY SHALL BE DESIGNATED ON THE
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OFFICIAL ZONING MAP BY THE SYMBOL C DASH C3, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND PROVIDING AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE.UH, REPORTING ON THIS IS MS. CINDY DIMMER.
THIS IS THE FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE GRANTING A CONDITIONAL USE TO ALLOW THE SALE AND CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES, BEER AND WINE ONLY IN THIS CASE FOR ON-PREMISES, UM, FOR A 0.26 ACRE PROPERTY THAT IS ZONE C3.
IT'S LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF EAST NEW HAVEN AVENUE, WEST OF GRANT PLACE AND EAST OF LIVINGSTON STREET.
UH, THE PROPERTY'S CURRENTLY LOCATED IN COUNCIL DISTRICT THREE.
IT'S LOCATED IN OUR DOWNTOWN MELBOURNE CRA, OUR DOWNTOWN ACTIVITY CENTER IN OUR CENTRAL BUSINESS OVERLAY ZONE AS WELL.
UH, THE REQUEST IS, UM, LOCATED IN A 1,957 SQUARE FOOT EXISTING BUILDING.
UH, THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO SERVE BEER AND WINE AS A BAR TAVERN USE.
UM, THAT REQUIRES AN, UH, UM, A CONDITIONAL USE SINCE IT WILL NOT BE OPERATING AS A RESTAURANT USE.
UM, THE APPLICANT'S BUSINESS PLAN IS INDICATED, UM, EARLIER CLOSING HOURS, UM, THAN SOME OF OUR BARS DOWNTOWN.
THEIR PROPOSAL IS TO CLOSE THE ESTABLISHMENT AT, UM, 10:00 PM TUESDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, 11:00 PM ON FRIDAY AND SATURDAY AND 8:00 PM ON SUNDAY EVENINGS.
THE, UH, PROPOSED FLOOR PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED WITH THE REQUEST, UM, SHOWS A TAP ROOM, A KITCHEN AREA, A BOTTLE SHOP AREA, A BEER GARDEN, AND, UM, THREE BATHROOMS ON SITE.
THE, UM, TAP ROOM IN THE BEER GARDEN AREA CONTAIN MULTIPLE SEATING AREAS WITH A TOTAL OF 76 PROPOSED SEATS, UM, WITHIN THE ESTABLISHMENT.
UM, IN THE SUBJECT AREA, UH, THE AREA IS, UM, THE DOWNTOWN URBAN AREA.
THERE'S A MIXTURE OF, UM, USES SUCH AS RETAIL OFFICE.
UM, THERE IS SOME RESIDENTIAL USES.
UM, THE CLOSEST RESIDENTIAL USES.
THERE ARE APARTMENTS LOCATED, UM, ACTUALLY ADJACENT ON THIS BUILDING TO THE SOUTH, UM, AS WELL AS THE HIGHLINE, UM, APARTMENTS LOCATED, UM, JUST TO THE SOUTHWEST.
UM, STAFF HAS ADDED MULTIPLE CONDITIONS ON THE ORDINANCE TO ENSURE, UM, THAT THE ON-PREMISES CONSUMPTION OF BEER WILL NOT AFFECT ANY OF THE SURROUNDING AREAS.
ARE THE CONDITIONS SIMILAR TO ANY OF THE CONDITIONAL USES COUNSEL SEEN OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS? UM, SEVERAL OF THEM, UM, JUST, UH, IT RESTATES THE MAXIMUM SEATING ALLOWANCE OF 76 PERSONS, UH, REQUIRES ALL CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOL TO BE WITHIN THE INTERIOR OR THE BEER GARDEN AREA.
UM, THAT IS THE, UM, IF ANYBODY'S THINKING ABOUT WHICH PROPERTY THIS IS, THERE IS AN OUTDOOR SEATING AREA THAT'S WITHIN THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT.
SO ALCOHOL CONSUMPTION WILL BE ALLOWED IN THAT AREA AS WELL.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, UM, ADOPTION OF THIS CONDITIONAL USE WILL REPEAL A PREVIOUS CONDITIONAL USE ON THE PROPERTY, UH, THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2012.
UM, THAT OUT LOUD, FULL ALCOHOL.
IT'LL BE REPLACED WITH THIS NEW CONDITIONAL USE FOR BEER AND WINE AND WITH THE UPDATED CONDITIONS.
UM, AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD DID VOTE UNANIMOUSLY TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST, AND STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025 DASH 45 BASED UPON THE FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS CONTAINED WITHIN THE ORDINANCE.
UH, ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. DIMER? UH, QUICK QUESTION, MAAM.
WHAT, WHAT WAS THE NAME OF THIS ESTABLISHMENT PRIOR TO WHAT IS BECOMING NOW? I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER.
VAPOR ROOM, VIPER ROOM MOST RECENTLY WAS A VAPOR'S.
IT'S BEEN CLOSED FOR SOME TIME.
I REMEMBER WHEN IT'S A HOOKAH BAR.
THIS IS A QUASI-JUDICIAL ITEM IN DISCLOSURES ON THIS ITEM.
IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT WE HAVE NO SIGN ISSUE.
APPROVAL ORDINANCE 2025 DASH 45 BASED UPON THE FINDINGS, CONDITIONAL CONDITIONS CONTAINED WITHIN THE ORDINANCE.
I HAVE A MOTION, I'LL SECOND THAT.
WE'RE MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 15.
YEAH, NO, YOU'RE NOT GOING THAT FAR, ARE YOU, MS. DIMMER? I'M NOT GOING FAR.
SO THIS IS A REQUEST FOR THREE SUBDIVISION, UM, VARIANCES FROM APPENDIX D, CHAPTER EIGHT, SECTION 8.5 THAT ARE FOR OUR, UM, 192.96 ACRE PROPERTY THAT'S CURRENTLY ZONED P-U-D-P-U-D AND C ONE.
THE PROPERTY'S LOCATED ON THE SOUTH, UM, SOUTH OF FLORIDA AVENUE, NORTH OF EBER PIRATE LANE AND, UM, WEST OF LIPSCOMB STREET.
THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY HAS A MIXED USE FUTURE LAND USE, AND IS LOCATED WITHIN COUNCIL DISTRICT THREE.
UM, PREVIOUSLY IN 2024, CITY COUNCIL APPROVED
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A PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR, UM, THIS PORTION OF PROPERTY FOR THE MAYFAIR EAST DEVELOPMENT.UM, THE DEVELOPER IS, UM, ANXIOUS TO GET BEGIN BUILDING HOMES, AND SO THEY'VE REQUESTED THESE THREE VARIANCES.
UM, THE FIRST ONE IS, UM, A VARIANCE TO ALLOW THE ISSUANCE OF ONLY, UM, LET ME START OVER.
OUR CODE ALLOW ONLY ALLOWS TWO, UM, MODEL HOME BUILDING PERMITS TO BE ISSUED PRIOR TO FINAL PLAT APPROVAL.
THE APPLICANT IS ASKING FOR THE ALLOWANCE OF UP TO 50% OF THE RESIDENTIAL PERMITS, UM, FOR EACH PHASE BEFORE THEIR FINAL PLAT IS RECORDED.
UM, THE SECOND, UM, UH, SUBDIVISION VARIANCE IS ALSO RELATED TO BUILDING PERMITS.
OUR BUILDING PERMITS ARE SPECIFIC TO THE MODEL HOMES.
THEY'RE REQUESTING THE ALLOWANCE TO GO AHEAD AND CONSTRUCT THE, UM, RECREATION, UM, BUILDING AND OR THE CLUBHOUSE AND THE GUARDHOUSE.
UM, THOSE WOULD BE OUTSIDE WHAT WOULD BE NORMALLY ALLOWED BY CODE.
AND THEN THE THIRD, UH, SUBDIVISION REQUEST IS TO PERMIT THE DEVELOPER TO TEMPORARILY RETAIN SEVERAL OF THE TRACKS, UM, UH, UNTIL COMPLETION OF FINAL CONSTRUCTION AND EVENTUAL CONVEYANCE TO, UM, EITHER THE MAYFAIR CDD OR ANOTHER RESPONSIBLE MAINTENANCE PARTY, UM, THAT WOULD BE IN PLAY AT THAT TIME.
I'M GONNA GO THROUGH THESE ALL JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, EXPLICITLY.
SO I WANT COUNSEL TO MAKE SURE, UM, THAT YOU'RE UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE REQUESTS ARE FOR.
SO THIS IS THE PRELIMINARY PLAT THAT THAT CITY COUNCIL APPROVED AND, UM, STARTING WITH THE FIRST SUBDIVISION REQUEST.
SO, UM, THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED, UM, THAT THEY BE ALLOWED TO BUILD UP TO 50% OF THE BUILDINGS, THE HOMES, UM, PRIOR TO THE FINAL PLAT RECORDATION.
UM, THE ENGINEERING CONSTRUCTION PLANS HAVE BEEN APPROVED FOR PHASE ONE, SO THAT'S ALREADY IN PLAY.
THERE IS ALSO A FINAL PLAT THAT'S BEEN UNDER REVIEW, BUT THEY WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND PROCEED WITH OBTAINING BUILDING PERMITS.
UM, BEGINNING IN THIS PHASE ONE AREA, WHAT'S SHOWN IN PINK HERE IS A TOTAL OF THE REQUESTED, UM, 50% OF THE OVERALL 536 LOTS, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 266 BUILDING PERMITS THAT COULD BE ALLOWED PRIOR TO FINAL PLAT APPROVAL.
UH, THE, UM, THIS CAME UP DURING PRE-CONSTRUCTION MEETING WITH, WITH THE DEVELOPER THAT THEY ARE DESIRE TO DO THIS.
THIS SORT OF, UM, FOLLOWS ALONG IN THE CODE CHANGE THAT WE MADE EARLIER THIS YEAR THAT ALLOWS SOME EXPEDITED PERMITTING.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY THIS PROJECT HAD ALREADY RECEIVED APPROVAL WHEN THAT NEW ORDINANCE CAME INTO PLAY.
SO ESSENTIALLY THE, UM, APPLICANT'S COMING BACK THROUGH TO ASK FOR US TO APPLY THE SAME STANDARDS ESSENTIALLY OF THAT EXPEDITED PERMITTING.
BUT WE'VE GOTTA DO IT THROUGH THE SUBDIVISION VARIANCE PROCESS, UM, BECAUSE THE, THE PRELIMINARY PLAT WOULD'VE HAD TO HAVE STARTED DAY ONE, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT APPLICATION.
UM, SO WE'RE ESSENTIALLY APPLYING THE SAME, ESSENTIALLY THE SAME STANDARDS OF WHAT MUST OCCUR FIRST BEFORE BUILDING PERMITS CAN BE ISSUED.
UM, UH, THOSE, UM, THOSE ARE OUTLINED.
THERE'S A VERY LONG, UM, LIST OF CONDITIONS.
I WON'T READ THROUGH ALL OF THOSE FOR COUNSEL TONIGHT.
UM, THAT DEFINE HOW THAT NEEDS TO HAVE CERTAIN MINIMUM IMPROVEMENTS INSTALLED AHEAD OF TIME, UM, RELATED TO ACCESS TO WATER, UM, FIRE ACCESS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT WILL HAVE TO BE IN PLACE PRIOR TO ANY CONSTRUCTION OF ANY STRUCTURES OCCURRING IN THE AREA.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT'S SHOWN IN THE, THE PINK.
AND THEN THE PURPLE ALSO SHOWS THEN THE RECREATION TRACK AND THE GUARDHOUSE, UM, THAT ARE CONTAINED THEN IN THE SECOND SUBDIVISION REQUESTS.
SO THOSE ARE ALL RELATED TO GETTING BUILDING PERMITS ISSUED QUICKER.
AND THEN THE, UM, THIRD REQUEST, UM, RELATES TO THE TRACKS.
UM, THOSE ARE A LITTLE BIT HARDER TO SEE 'CAUSE SOME OF THEM ARE PRETTY SMALL, BUT IT'S, UM, BOTH OF YOUR BLUE AREAS THERE AS WELL AS SOME SOME SMALL LANDSCAPE, UM, TRACKS IN OTHER AREAS, UM, THAT ARE IN SORT OF THAT ENTRANCE SECTION THERE.
UM, THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING TO NOT DEDICATE THOSE TRACKS UNTIL A LATER TIME, UNTIL ALL THE CONSTRUCTION IS FINISHED IN THOSE PHASES.
AND, UM, THE, THAT WILL ALLOW EITHER LENNAR, WHO IS THE, THE HOME DEVELOPER OR SOUTHERN HOMES COMMUNITY, WHO ALSO HAS OWNERSHIP OF PORTION TO THESE TO RETAIN THOSE TRACKS UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE, UM, ENTITY IS, IS PUT INTO PLAY.
SO STAFF SPENT SOME TIME REVIEWING THESE REQUESTS AND CAN SUPPORT THE SUBDIVISION VARIANCE REQUESTS,
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UM, BECAUSE THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, AS I MENTIONED, UM, ESSENTIALLY MIRROR OUR CODE MINIMUM NECESSARY REQUIREMENTS THAT WE ALREADY PUT IN PLACE AND ANTICIPATED FOR THIS TYPE OF, UM, EXPEDITED PERMITTING.UM, AS I STARTED TO MENTION, THOSE MINIMUM NECESSARY IMPROVEMENTS ARE FIRE AND EMERGENCY SERVICE ACCESS, WATER SUPPLY FOR FIRE SUPPRESSION, MASQUERADING AND STORMWATER EXCAVATING, INSTALLING STORMWATER FACILITIES TO SUPPORT THE MASQUERADED AREAS IN ANY OTHER SAFETY RELATED IMPROVEMENTS THAT THE, UM, CITY MIGHT DEEM NECESSARY.
SO THESE ARE VERY SIMILAR, ALMOST IDENTICAL TO WHAT WE PUT INTO CITY CODE.
UM, THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD DID REVIEW THIS AND RECOMMEND RECOMMENDED UNANIMOUSLY, UM, TO APPROVE THESE THREE SUBDIVISION VARIANCES.
AND STAFF WILL ALSO, UM, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF SDV 2025 DASH 0 0 0 1 BASED UPON THE FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS CONTAINED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEMORANDUM.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. DITMER? MAYOR, HOLD ON.
UH, UH, CINDY, WHEN, WHEN THIS WAS PRESENTED AT THE P AND Z MEETING, WAS THERE ANYBODY FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT WAS THERE ANY CONCERNS OR ANY THAT YOU RECALL? NO, SIR.
LIKE THERE IS A COMMUNITY THERE.
UM, AND SO JUST, JUST MAKING SURE I'VE GOT THIS MAP RIGHT, I'M SEEING ALL THE OTHER STREETS, THE ONE ON THE BOTTOM HERE, THAT'S PIRATE LANE.
AND SO, AND WE HAVEN'T, THAT'S NOT GONNA, YOU KNOW, THE, THIS IS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT, 536 RESIDENTS? YEAH.
THEY COULD GO EITHER WAY, OBVIOUSLY, BUT IS THAT GONNA IMPACT THE SCHOOL IN ANY PARTICULAR WAY? CAN YOU IMAGINE ON TRAFFIC FLOW, UM, DURING A SCHOOL DAY WHEN FOLKS ARE GETTING OUT? SO I'M JUST CURIOUS IF, IF THAT'S, IF THERE'S ANY SORT OF TRAFFIC STUDIES OR THINGS LIKE THAT REGARD.
THEIR ENTRANCE IS GONNA BE, UM, EAST MM-HMM
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT WON'T BE A CONFLICT.
UM, WE REVIEWED TRAFFIC ANALYSES IN, IN 2024 WHEN THE PRELIMINARY PLAT CAME IN.
UM, AND SO, UM, WE'RE, WE'LL CONTINUE TO COORDINATE WITH THEM FUTURE PHASES, UM, FURTHER WEST.
UM, THEY, YOU KNOW, WE WILL HAVE TO WORK AND MAKE SURE THAT ANY ACCESS ROADWAYS ARE ALIGNING WITH WHAT THE SCHOOL HAS IN PLACE.
'CAUSE I BELIEVE THEY WERE WORKING ON, UM, SOME IMPROVEMENTS ON THE SCHOOL DRIVEWAY SIDE TOO.
AND THEN FROM A PERSPECTIVE, THE, UM, TRACKS, UM, THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO HAND OVER RIGHT AWAY.
DOES THAT, DOES THAT HAVE A MATERIAL DIFFERENCE TO YOUR WORK OR THE WORK OF OUR STAFF? UH, IS THAT, IS IT OKAY AT THIS TIME? NO.
AND IT'S, IT'S ALMOST AS MUCH OF A LEGAL QUESTION WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH.
WITH WHAT'S, UM, AND ONE OF THE OTHER, UM, SLIDES MAY ACTUALLY SHOW IT BETTER THE, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PUD AREA AND OTHER AREAS OF, OF THIS PLAT.
SO, UM, MUCH AS THE PROJECT IS BEING PRESENTED TO, UM, THE CITY SORT OF IN A, IN A UNIFIED FORMAT, IT'S REALLY TWO SEPARATE PROPERTY OWNERS AND ALMOST TWO DIFFERENT DEVELOPERS.
UM, THE, THE ONE ENTITY IS, IS DOING THESE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES SORT OF ON THE, ON THE EAST SIDE.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, MOST, MOST OF THE TRACKS ARE EITHER INTEGRATED VERY, UM, AT THE SOUTHERN END, KIND OF NEAR THE ENTRANCE OR ARE FURTHER TO THE WEST.
AND BECAUSE THAT PROPERTY'S OWNED BY A DIFFERENT DEVELOPER, THEY'RE NOT QUITE READY.
THEY DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE DOING WITH THOSE, WITH THOSE AREAS.
THE, THE LARGE TRACT ST NINE THAT THIS LARGE AREA TO THE, TO THE WEST, WHILE WHILE THE PRELIMINARY PLAT IDENTIFIES IT AS, AND THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS IDENTIFIED AS A FUTURE STORMWATER AREA, IT'S NOT BEING DEVELOPED FOR THAT PURPOSE WITH THESE PHASES OF CONSTRUCTION.
IT'S MORE INTENDED FOR FUTURE PHASES OF CONSTRUCTION.
AND, AND SO AGAIN, RIGHT, IT JUST, THE, THE UNDERLYING INTENT WITHIN THE CITY CODE PROVISIONS IS WHEN YOU HAVE A COMMON AREA TRACK THAT'S INTEGRATED AND A PART OF A SUBDIVISION NEEDS TO BE TURNED OVER TO A RESPONSIBLE MAINTENANCE ENTITY, PARTICULARLY WITH TRACKED SST NINE, IT'S JUST NOT, IT'S JUST NOT RELEVANT YET.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE CITY STAFF HAS A COMFORT LEVEL SAYING, OKAY, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT NECESSARY FOR YOU TO, TO TURN THAT, THAT TRACK OVER TO THE CDD OR ANOTHER MAINTENANCE ENTITY YET.
AND SO, AND SO THAT'S WHERE THE, THE LANGUAGE OF THE, THE, UM, PROVISIONS OF THE SUBDIVISION VARIANCE APPROVAL AND THOSE CONDITIONS SORT OF IDENTIFY THE HERE'S WHAT HAPPENED WHEN, WHEN THAT YET BECOMES NOW.
AND, AND YEAH, THE PURPOSE OF MY QUESTION MORE SO WAS I WANNA MAKE SURE Y'ALL ARE OKAY WITH THAT.
IT SOUNDS LIKE IT WAS SOMETHING THEY WERE REQUESTING, BUT IF IT, IF IT WAS SOME SORT OF THING THAT WOULD HELP YOU ALL OUT, THEY'RE, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE CONSIDERING THAT'RE THE DEVELOPERS ARE LOOKING FOR THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF FLEXIS FLEXIBILITY POSSIBLE.
AND WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED AND WHAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS, AND THE P AND Z RECOMMENDATION, I THINK REPRESENTS THE CITY'S HIGHEST LEVEL OF COMFORT WITH WHAT THAT FLEXIBILITY IS.
AND THEN LASTLY, UM, I'M JUST GETTING, UH, I'M GETTING QUESTIONS FROM RESIDENTS ABOUT THE PARTICULAR AREA.
OBVIOUSLY WHEN THE TREES WERE CLEARED OUT, IT CREATED A LARGE BASIC,
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EVERYONE SAW SOMETHING'S GOING ON, OBVIOUSLY.AND SO IT, AS FAR AS THE TIME DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE PERMITTING, I KNOW YOU SAID THEY'RE IN THE, I DON'T WANNA CALL IT THE OLDER MODEL, THE, THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE TWO THAT YOU WERE REFERRING TO EARLIER.
UM, IS THAT, DO YOU HAVE LIKE A TIMELINE OF WHEN WE'RE GONNA SEE MOVEMENT ON THAT, UH, ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF IT OR THINGS OF THAT NATURE JUST BASED ON AT LEAST PERMITTING PORTIONS? RIGHT.
SO, UM, THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVES ARE HERE THIS EVENING.
AND I KNOW THAT THEY ARE GOING TO, UM, SPEAK AND I'M SURE THAT THEY CAN SPEAK TO THAT TIMEFRAME OF WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING TOWARDS.
MAYOR, I, I, I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION IN PART TWO.
SO VICE MAYOR, IN TERMS OF E EVEN THOUGH THERE'S 200 UP TO 266 UNITS IDENTIFIED ON, ON THIS PLAN MM-HMM
FOR, FOR WHAT'S APPROVED IN CONSTRUCTION PLANS RIGHT NOW, THERE'S ONLY 109 UNITS, I BELIEVE THAT ARE SHOWN THE, UM, WITHIN CONSTRUCTION PLAN AREAS FOR APPROVAL.
SO THAT 50%, AT LEAST ON A MORE IMMEDIATE BASIS, IS MORE IN THAT 55, 56 RIGHT.
AND THOSE ARE LOCATED, IF THE ENTRANCE IS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE, THE PLAT THERE WHERE YOU SEE THE BLUE AND THE PURPLE.
AND SO THAT, THAT TO THE NORTH OF THERE IS THEIR PHASE ONE THAT HAS RECEIVED A CONSTRUCTION PLAN APPROVAL.
UM, SO THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST AREA YOU WOULD START TO SEE, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTION AND MORE DEVELOPMENT OCCUR.
AND, AND, AND ALSO TO CLARIFY, THE COMMENCEMENT OF CONSTRUCTION, NOT THE SAME AS SELLING PROPERTIES, PEOPLE OCCUPYING THEM.
THEY'LL, THEY'LL STILL HAVE TO RIGHT.
FINALIZE THE, THEIR FINAL PLAT, GET, GET ALL THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IN, YOU KNOW, GET ALL THEIR CERTIFICATES OF COMPLETION, CERTIFICATES OF OCCUPANCY.
SO THIS IS, THIS IS NOT AN APPROVAL TO, YOU KNOW, EXPEDITE PEOPLE OCCUPYING THESE PROPERTIES ONLY, ONLY TO EXPEDITE THE CONSTRUCTION OF OH, NO, ABSOLUTELY.
I'M, I'M JUST, I'M GETTING QUESTIONS FROM INDIVIDUALS SAYING, WHEN IS, WHEN IS SOMETHING MOVING? I'M JUST SEEING STUFF HAPPENING.
BECAUSE IT, THE RESIDENTS, THEY'RE, THEY'RE CURIOUS WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE COMMUNITY.
UM, I'M GONNA ASK A QUESTION, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S IT'S FOR YOU OR FOR THE DEVELOPERS, BUT I KNOW I'VE WORKED AT PALM BAY HIGH SCHOOL FOR A FEW YEARS, MANY, MANY YEARS AGO, AND I REMEMBER EVEN THOUGH THEIR EXITS AND ENTRANCES ARE MORE TO THE WEST SIDE OF PIRATE LANE, THAT ROAD GETS BLAT BACKED UP ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE OTHER INTERSECTION.
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, HAS THERE BEEN A TRAFFIC STUDY ON THIS? I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN COMING FOR A REALLY LONG TIME MM-HMM
AND WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT AND TALKING ABOUT IT, BUT HAS THERE BEEN A TRAFFIC STUDY? YES.
THERE, THERE HAS BEEN A TRAFFIC STUDY.
ALL THAT WAS COMPLETED PRIOR TO THE, UM, PRELIMINARY PLAT.
AND, AND SO THERE, THERE ARE NO, THERE ARE NO DEFICIENCIES BEING CREATED IN THE ROADWAY SYSTEM WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH THE PROPOSAL.
AND I CAN SEE THAT OUTSIDE THE START OF THE SCHOOL DAY AND THE END OF THE SCHOOL DAY, BUT START AND END OF THE SCHOOL DAY, I, I HAVE TO GO DOWN TO FLORIDA, I CAN'T.
SO THAT GIVES YOU A LITTLE MORE CONTEXT OF, UM, AND WHAT'S A LITTLE DECEIVING THERE IS THAT THE ENTRANCE TO THE SINGLE FAMILY THAT WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT WITH THE VARIANCES THIS EVENING, IF YOU CAN SEE THE SKINNY BLACK LINE AND ABOUT MM-HMM
ONE THIRD OF THE EASTERN PORTION, THEIR ENTRANCE IS OVER IN THAT AREA.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE CONSIDERABLY A GOOD DISTANCE FROM THE DRIVEWAYS.
YOU KNOW, SO LIPSCOMB STREET IS WHERE THAT TRAFFIC SOMETIMES BACKS UP TO.
DROP OFF AND, AND PICK UP TIME.
SO THAT'S WHY I WAS JUST ASKING YOU ABOUT THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
AND THERE IS THE FUTURE, IF YOU CAN SEE THE LITTLE LOOP IN THE ROAD, UM, THIS IS A PROJECT WE'VE WORKED ON IS CITY STAFF FOR 20 YEARS.
UM, AND SO, UM, WE OWN THE RIGHT OF WAY TO ACTUALLY REALIGN, UM, PIRATE LANE, UM, TO THAT CONNECTION.
AND IT, UM, IT CONNECTS TO BUSINESS CENTER PARKWAY, I DON'T KNOW, IT'S A PALM BAY ROAD, UM, THAT, UM, WILL HELP TRAFFIC FLOW.
AND THAT IS A PROJECT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WE FORESEE IN THE FUTURE, NOT SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THAT'S COMING UP IN THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO.
UM, BUT AS TRAFFIC DOES INCREASE IN THAT AREA, UM, WE DO HAVE SOME, YOU KNOW, PROPOSALS FOR HOW TO ADDRESS THOSE TRAFFIC IMPACTS.
AND I'M ALSO SEEING CINDY, UH, THAT BLACK LINE THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO WITH THIS THEN INTERCEPTED BY THE STAR, AND THEN IT GOES OUT FLORIDA AVENUE.
IS THERE GONNA BE ANOTHER EXIT ENTRANCE ON FLORIDA AVENUE? YES.
SO, UM, THAT MAKES ME FEEL BETTER.
THERE'S A NORTHERN, UM, SO IF YOU SEE HERE ON THE TOP OF THE PAGE, THE LITTLE CIRCULAR LOOP AREA.
THAT IS THE ENTRANCE AND EXIT ON THE NORTH SIDE ON FLORIDA AVENUE.
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ADDITIONALLY, IN THE GRAND PLAN, IF YOU LOOK TO THE WEST, WHERE YOU SEE THE, THE PURPLE LINE COMING THROUGH, THAT'S A ROADWAY THAT COMES BACK, COMES BACK INTO WHERE THE MORE OF THE MIXED USE AREA WILL BE.AND THAT IS PROPOSED TO ALSO COME BACK TO PIRATE LANE.
SO THERE'LL BE, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE ACCESS POINTS IN AND AROUND, UM, THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT IN THE END.
UM, I'M NOT, THERE'S CLAUSE I DID SHOW ITEM ANY DISCLOSURES ON THIS, AND I KNOW WE HAVE, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING.
DO WE HAVE A SIGNUP SHEET? DID THEY WANT TO BUT THE, THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT.
SO IF THEY WANT, IF ANYBODY HAD A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT YEAH.
CAN I ASK HIM THAT QUESTION ABOUT YEAH.
CAN THE APPLICANT COME ON UP? HOW YOU DOING SIR? GOOD EVENING.
I'M AN ATTORNEY WITH THE GUNSLER LAW FIRM, REPRESENT, UH, LENNAR, UM, TALLAHASSEE, FLORIDA.
I JUST WANT TO THANK, UH, YOU ALL FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF THESE VARIANCES.
I WANNA THANK STAFF AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, UH, FOR THEIR TIME AND EFFORT, UH, IN WORKING THROUGH THESE.
UM, WE SUPPORT THE PLANNING AND ZONING RECOMMENDATION AND, AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
UH, WE DID HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT TIMING OF CONSTRUCTION.
WE DO HAVE MR. JAKE WISE, UH, THE PROJECT ENGINEER.
HE CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION IF YOU WILL ALLOW HIM TO COME TO THE PODIUM.
UH, CIVIL ENGINEER FOR THE PROJECT, JAKE WISE WITH CEG.
UM, I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT FOR 23 YEARS,
UH, JENNY AND CINDY WERE PUPPIES BACK THEN, AND MR. LUSO WAS JUST COMING ON COUNCIL, SO IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME COMING.
WE'VE BEEN THROUGH A LOT OF CRAZY MARKET CHANGES.
WE'VE BEEN THROUGH, UM, UH, A WHOLE LOT OF, UH, DIFFERENT VARIATIONS ON THE SITE PLAN.
WE'VE HAD ENTIRE MASTER PLANS ALREADY APPROVED FOR THIS SITE.
MARKET CHANGES, UH, COVID HITS, UH, THE RECESSION HITS, THINGS JUST STARTED OVER AND CHANGED.
SO WE'RE EXTREMELY EXCITED TO FINALLY BE HERE.
UH, LENNAR HAS PURCHASED THE MAJORITY OF THE EASTERN THIRD OF THE SITE.
UH, SOUTHERN HOMES HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE, UH, OWNER FOR THE REST OF IT, AND THEY HAVE THE, UH, REST OF IT.
SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE TWO ENTITIES AND OF COURSE WITH THE CITY ALL THESE YEARS.
UM, SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YES, WE DO HAVE A TRAFFIC SITE THAT WAS DONE, UH, EARLY ON AS PART OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAT PROCESS.
WE DO HAVE TWO ACCESS POINTS PROPOSED ON BOTH E PIRATE LANE TO THE SOUTH AND TO FLORIDA OUT TO THE NORTH.
THE ULTIMATE MASTER PLAN HAS A LOT OF INTERCONNECTIVITY WITH SOME COMMERCIAL, WITH SOME MIXED USE, AND THIS SINGLE FAMILY IS KICKING OFF THE OVERALL PROJECT.
UM, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, THIS PROJECT IS ACTUALLY 315 ACRES IN TOTAL.
THERE'S 47 ADDITIONAL ACRES NORTH OF FLORIDA AVE, AND ABOUT 270 ACRES ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
UH, SO THERE'S A LOT MORE TO COME AND, UH, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, PRETTY EXCITED TO, UH, BE ABLE TO KICK THAT OFF.
UH, THE LARGE LAKE, WHICH YOU SEE TOWARDS THE WEST, THERE IS INTENDED TO BE A PUBLIC PARK.
WE WANTED TO MAKE A BIG LARGE LAKE WITH PUBLIC AMENITIES AND A LINEAR TRAIL ALL THE WAY AROUND THAT.
SO, UM, WE'RE LOOKING FOR IT TO BE A COMMUNITY TYPE PROJECT.
THIS SITE ACTUALLY WAS THE ORIGINAL MELBOURNE SQUARE MALL SITE.
UH, THAT'S WHY IT'S STILL VACANT TODAY.
THIS IS WHERE THE MALL WAS GONNA GO.
CAN YOU IMAGINE HOW DIFFERENT MELBOURNE WOULD BE IF THAT HAPPENED? AND THE LAST MINUTE SOMEBODY MOVED IT OVER TO, UH, OVER TO WHERE IT IS TODAY.
SO IT IS SAT VACANT ALL THESE YEARS AND WE'RE PRETTY EXCITED TO SEE, UH, BEING ABLE TO MOVE, UH, FORWARD NOW AT THIS TIME.
UM, AND, UH, I THINK I ANSWERED ALL YOUR QUESTIONS.
IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHERS, PLEASE LET ME KNOW ON SCHEDULE.
SO, SO JUST TO, JUST TO CIRCLE BACK ON THAT, UH, STARTING DISCUSSION, I HAVE RESIDENTS ASKING ME, WHEN DO YOU GUYS PROJECT, YOU KNOW, I, I'M ASSUMING EVERYTHING'S RIGHT IN THE WORLD THAT YOU WOULD BE STARTING CONSTRUCTION.
YEAH, SO WE HAD BROKEN GROUND.
UH, WE HAD DONE, STARTED CLEARING OR STARTING THE EARTH WORK.
UM, AND UH, WE ARE DOING THE MAJORITY OF THE SOUTHERN 270 ACRES OF THE SITE.
WE HAVE LEFT A WOODED BUFFER AROUND THE PERIMETER.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY NOWADAYS WITH THE STORMWATER REQUIREMENTS, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO PRESERVE TREES INTERNALLY BECAUSE WE HAVE TO RAISE THE SITES TOO MUCH.
SO WHAT WE DID WAS WE TOOK A, UH, THE PERIMETER AND, UH, SAVED, UH, THOSE TREES.
NOW THERE WILL BE A HEAVY LANDSCAPING PLAN.
UH, LENNAR, UH, GOES WAY ABOVE AND BEYOND, UH, WHEN IT COMES TO THE LANDSCAPING.
UH, AND WE ALSO ARE EXTENDING THE CITY, UH, WATER CITY SEWER.
WE'RE EXTENDING THE CITY REUSE SYSTEM.
YOU GUYS SPEND A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY TO RUN REUSE DOWN HERE.
SO WE'RE, UH, EXTENDING IT THROUGH OUR ENTIRE PROJECT AS WELL.
UM, AS FAR AS SCHEDULE GOES, IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT A 14 MONTH OR SO CONSTRUCTION PERIOD.
IF THE RAIN KEEPS COMING THE WAY IT IS,
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MM-HMMUM, AND, UH, UH, AND WE'RE PROBABLY ABOUT, I'D SAY ABOUT 80 TO 90% DONE WITH THE CLEARING FOR THE SITE, UH, RIGHT NOW AS WELL.
AND THEN ON THE PIRATE LANE SCHOOL QUESTION, WHEN WAS THAT PARKING STU OR NOT PARKING, THAT TRAFFIC STUDY DONE? UH, IT WAS DONE LAST YEAR.
AND SO IT'S FAIRLY RECENT AND THE STUDY WAS DONE DURING THE SCHOOL YEAR, WHICH IS IMPORTANT.
WE DON'T DO ANY STUDIES OVER THE SUMMER WHERE WE DON'T HAVE THE SCHOOL TRAFFIC.
WE ARE SET QUITE A DISTANCE AWAY FROM PALM BAY HIGH SCHOOL.
AND WHEN WE WERE WORKING ON OUR MASTER PLAN, WE ACTUALLY MET WITH THE SCHOOL A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT TIMES AND THE SCHOOL BOARD, THE CITY HAS A PROJECT THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR YEARS TO POTENTIALLY FOUR LANE THIS AND TO REROUTE THE, UH, EASTERN END OF IT WHERE IT TIES IN THE LIPSCOMB.
SO WE'VE BEEN COORDINATING WITH THAT.
WE PROVIDE A 25 FOOT CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT EVEN ON THE PORTION OF THE PROPERTY TO HELP THE CITY BE ABLE TO BUILD THE ROAD.
'CAUSE A LITTLE BIT NARROW OF A RIGHT OF WAY FOR THAT.
UH, SO WE COORDINATED DRIVEWAY LOCATIONS.
UH, ONE OF THE INTERSECTIONS WITH THE SCHOOL MIGHT BE SIGNALIZE IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
SO WE ARE WORKING WITH THEM ON ALL OF THAT AS WELL.
SO WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT BIG PICTURE AND NOW YOU'RE SEEING THAT FIRST PHASE FINALLY KICK IT OFF.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, MR. WHITE.
IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE'LL BRING IT TO COUNSEL.
APPROVAL OF SSDV 2025 DASH 0 0 1 BASED UPON THE FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS CONTAINED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEMORANDUM.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND BY THE VICE MAYOR.
AND NOW WE'RE MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 16.
UH, THIS IS GONNA BE REGARDING ORDER 2025 DASH 46.
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, RELATING TO WATER AND SEWER RATES AMENDING PREVIOUSLY SCHEDULED INCREASES IN SUCH RATES AMENDING CHAPTER 58 OF THE CITY CODE ENTITLED UTILITIES AMENDING SECTION 58 DASH 1 33, WATER SERVICE RATES AMENDING SECTION 58 DASH 2 43, SEWER SERVICE RATES, PROVIDING FOR INTERPRETATION, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE, AND PROVIDING AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE.
UH, GOOD EVENING AGAIN, MAYOR AND COUNSEL.
UM, AS WE DISCUSSED BACK AT OUR AUGUST 26TH MEETING WHEN WE WERE, WERE REVIEWING THE WATER AND WASTEWATER RATE STUDY PLAN, UH, THIS IS THE, UH, DIRECTION COUNCIL PROVIDED ME TO BRING BACK THE FIVE, UH, NEXT YEARS OF FORECASTED REVENUES, UH, INCREASES AS REQUIRED BY THE STUDY.
UM, I DO REALLY APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK WE DID GET FROM THAT.
UM, FROM, UH, MR. LEWIS IN PARTICULAR.
I, I, I ENJOYED THE, THE BACK AND FORTH ON CHALLENGING THE ASSUMPTIONS.
IT, IT REMINDED ME A LOT OF TREVOR AND MY, UH, MY CONVERSATIONS ON THAT.
UM, DEFINITELY TRIED TO PUSH EVERYTHING I CAN WHERE I COULD.
UH, AND, AND I DO REALLY WANT COUNCIL TO UNDERSTAND THAT I, I GET THIS IS SUBSTANTIAL.
UH, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT THE INDUSTRY, UH, WE'RE NOT, IT'S NOT JUST US.
UM, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, UH, IN OUR CAPITAL PLAN, WHAT WE'RE REGULATORILY REQUIRED TO DO, UH, JUST IT IS, IT IS OTHERWORLDLY RIGHT NOW.
UM, WHAT I'M HOPING TO DO, AND AS I MENTIONED IN THE ITEM REPORT HERE, IS THAT WHILE WE ARE ADOPTING THE FIVE YEARS, UH, JUST AS WE DID WITH THE LAST, UH, SET OF, UH, RATE STUDIES, WE WILL DO ANOTHER ONE DURING THIS PERIOD, UH, TO ENSURE THAT WHAT WE'VE DONE IS NOT TOO MUCH.
WHAT WE'VE DONE IS NOT TOO LITTLE.
AND THAT, UH, WE'RE CHALLENGING THE ASSUMPTIONS JUST AS WE DID THIS TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT THE NEXT GO AROUND WE'RE STILL BEING AS, AS ACCURATE AS WE CAN BE WITH THE KNOWLEDGE WE HAVE AT HAND.
SO, UH, WITH THAT, UM, UNLESS THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025 DASH 46.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. MCGINN? I JUST DON'T WANT TO DO IT, BUT I HAVE, WE HAVE NO CHOICE, DO WE? I GOTTA PAY IT TOO,
WANT TO EITHER, THAT'S THE THING.
THAT'S WHAT WE ALL HAVE TO, I MEAN, ARE, LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION.
ARE WE GONNA GET ANY MORE RATE INCREASES OF ANYTHING ELSE? BECAUSE I MEAN, WE, WE'VE HAD TO RAISE THE MILL RATE HERE.
ARE WE DONE SEEING YOU? I, I WISH I COULD SAY YES DEFINITIVELY.
WE, WE MAY BE, I MEAN WE, AS WE SPOKE AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT UTILITY RATES, WE WILL BE BACK FOR OUR IMPACT FEES HERE BEFORE TOO LONG.
SO IT'S NOT REALLY A RATE INCREASE, BUT IT IMPACTS, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH DEVELOPMENT YOU DO, HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH YOU, YOU CONTRIBUTE.
I MEAN, JUST FOR THE AVERAGE, THE US AS HOMEOWNERS AND, AND, UH, WE ARE NOT GONNA SEE YOUR HAPPY FACE THERE AT THE PODIUM.
WELL, THE, THE, THE HOPE IS THOUGH, AS, AS MS. LAMB REFERENCES IS, UH, WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE IMPACT FEE STUDY, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT HAVING THE EXISTING RATE PAYERS PAY FOR SOME OF THE CAPACITY IMPROVEMENTS.
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AS THAT, THAT TYPE OF REVENUE COMES IN AND TO MR. LEWIS'S POINT MORE DIRECTLY FROM LAST MEETING, IF THOSE COME IN, UH, AT A GREATER CLIP THAN WHAT WE HAD ANTICIPATED IN THIS PROJECT, THEN THERE IS AVENUES HOPEFULLY, UH, THAT MAYBE WE WILL BE ABLE TO REVISIT, UH, FUTURE RATE INCREASES.SO IT'S, IT'S NOT A GUARANTEE AND I, I, I KNOW YOU LOVE SEEING ME AND, AND HEARING MY VOICE, BUT, UM, UH, I, I, TRUST ME, IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY, I'LL BE COMING BACK BEFORE COUNCIL TO, TO RIGHT SIZE THESE INCREASES.
I I LOVE THE BANTER BETWEEN US.
UH, YOU, I'M FROM JERSEY, SO I LIVE IN NOTHING BUT BANTER, YOU KNOW,
UM, HAVING SAID THAT, MY QUESTION THOUGH IS, UM, DISTRICT TWO PART OF, UH, A LOT OF DISTRICT TWO IS OVER ON, ON BEACHSIDE.
AND WE DON'T PROVIDE SEWER ON BEACHSIDE.
DO YOU HAVE, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE RATE, UH, UH, INCREASE IS GONNA BE FROM THE COUNTY? SO I ACTUALLY HAD THIS QUESTION NOT TOO LONG AGO.
UH, THE COUNTY'S LAST RATE INCREASE WE SAW ON THEIR APPROVED FIVE YEAR SCHEDULE WAS, I BELIEVE THIS LAST FEBRUARY.
SO FROM THIS POINT ON, I'M ASSUMING THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THEIR OWN EFFORT RIGHT NOW TO GO THROUGH YET ANOTHER RATE STUDY TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT WHAT THEY'VE DONE SUFFICIENT FOR THEIR NEEDS FOR THE MOMENT.
UM, BUT I'LL SHARE THAT WITH COUNSEL AS SOON AS I BECOME AWARE OF IT BECAUSE I HAVE TO BILL IT.
SO, UM, HAPPY TO PASS ALONG THAT INFORMATION ONCE IT BECOMES KNOWN TO ME.
WE PLAN, I DID THINK OF ONE RATE THAT WE MAY BE COMING BACK AND LOOKING TO INCREASE, BUT IT'S NOT AN OVERALL INCREASE.
SOME PEOPLE WILL SEE A DECREASE.
IT'S THE FIRE INSPECTION FEES AND THAT WILL BE COMING FORWARD HERE IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO.
AND, BUT IT'S, IT'S MORE TO EQUATE HOW MUCH INSPECTION TIME IS SPENT PER THE FEE.
SO FOR LIKE A SMALL BUILDING, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO BE CHARGING AS MUCH AS LIKE A, A, A WALMART SIZE BUILDING.
WE GOOD? THE RIGHT SIZE OF IT.
ALRIGHT, SO THE PUBLIC HEARING, DO WE HAVE ANY SIGNUP SHEET FOR THIS? NO SIGNUP SHEET FOR ITEM NUMBER 16TH.
I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025 DASH 46 AND I'LL, I HAVE A MOTION BY MR. RUSO, SECOND BY MR. SPIT.
REBECCA T BEAR ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER.
SO THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A WAIVER OF THE CITY'S COMPETITIVE BID PROCESS FOR THE DISPOSITION OF CITY OWNED PROPERTY.
UM, AS YOU ALL KNOW, THE CITY OWNS PROPERTY AT 6 95 EAST UNIVERSITY BOULEVARD.
THIS USED TO BE THE LOCATION OF THE HOUSING STAFF OFFICES AND THEY HAVE SINCE BEEN RELOCATED TO THE PREVIOUS, UM, POLICE COMMUNICATION CENTER ON BABCOCK STREET.
SO THAT PARCEL OF PROPERTY HAS NOW BEEN DECLARED SURPLUS.
OUR PROCUREMENT POLICY DOES REQUIRE, UM, TO DISPOSE OF SURPLUS PROPERTY THAT WE SHOULD BE DOING A COMPETITIVE, UM, BID PROCESS.
SO WE WOULD DO A SOLICITATION.
WE HAVE RECEIVED AN UNSOLICITED PROPOSAL FROM THE ISLAMIC SOCIETY OF BREVARD COUNTY TO PURCHASE THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY.
UM, THEY ACTUALLY OWN THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY AROUND OUR PIECE OF LAND AND HAVE REQUESTED TO PURCHASE THE CITY OWNED PROPERTY.
SO WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING TONIGHT IS TO WAIVE THAT PROVISION IN THE PROCUREMENT MANUAL FOR US TO PROCEED WITH NEGOTIATIONS, UM, WITH THE ISLAMIC SOCIETY OF BREVARD COUNTY FOR THEIR, UM, PURCHASE OF THAT PROPERTY.
SO WE WOULD STILL DO EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S IN THE PROCUREMENT MANUAL, INCLUDING THE SURVEY AND TITLE WORK, UM, AND THEN NEGOTIATE THE PURCHASE PRICE WITH THEM AND THEN COME BACK TO COUNCIL WITH A RESOLUTION WHEN WITH A CONTRACT FOR SALE AND PURCHASE.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UM, I HAVE A QUESTION REAL QUICK.
SO OUR, OUR LAST APPRAISAL THAT WE GOT WAS INDICATE THE VALUE OF THREE 50.
WE DID APPRAISAL IN 2022, WHICH CAME BACK AT 250,000 MM-HMM
AND AN APPRAISAL IN 2025, UM, AT 350,000.
BUT OF COURSE WE, WE CAN STILL NEGOTIATE THAT WITH THEM.
'CAUSE TO ME THAT SOUNDS KIND OF LOW.
I I I'M NOT CO I'M NOT, I SAID WE GO OUT FOR BID.
'CAUSE I, I I, I WOULD DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT, WE'RE LIKE, WE'RE, WE'D BE SELLING IT TO 'EM FOR, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, OH MY GOD, PROBABLY 60%, 65% OF WHAT THE APPRAISAL CAME IN, IN 2025 AND WE'D SINGLE, SINGLE BID IT, MA'AM.
OR ACTUALLY THERE'D BE NO BIDS.
IT'D BE SO SOLE SOURCE, UH, PURCHASE.
I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT EVERYBODY ELSE.
ANYBODY COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? NO, NO.
I, I WILL SAY THAT, UM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE, I'M SURE WHAT THE LEGALITIES ARE OF NOT GOING OUT FOR BID.
I'M SURE OUR CITY ATTORNEY CAN SPEAK TO THAT.
UM, HOWEVER, UH, I THINK THEY SHOULD BE OFFERING AT LEAST WHAT THE PROPERTY'S WORTH.
ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE GONNA CLOSE IT OFF FROM EVERYBODY ELSE.
LIKE, UM, MAYOR, GO AHEAD SIR.
IF IF WE DO GO OUT TO COMPETITIVE BID, DOES EVERYTHING COME BACK TO US? THIS WOULD BE MY FIRST SINGLE PROPERTY.
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OF COURSE.ANY, ANY DISPOSITION OF CITY PROPERTIES HAS TO BE APPROVED BY COUNCIL.
SO WE WOULD PUT A SOLICITATION OUT.
UM, BUT ANYBODY ELSE COULD BID ON THE PROPERTY AS WELL, SO IT MAYBE IT'LL END UP BEING LESS.
WE DON'T NEED TO TAKE IT EITHER, SO.
WELL, SO DO, DO WE NEED, UH, CITY ATTORNEY? DO WE NEED A JUST DIRECTION ON THAT IS FINE.
UM, BECAUSE, BECAUSE BASICALLY WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE PROVING PROVE OF A WAIVER.
IT'S JUST BASICALLY, UH, UH, JUST A DIRECTION ON ONTO QUAD BID.
I THINK THAT'S, I THINK RIGHT.
WE'RE BASICALLY SAYING NO, DON'T, DON'T WAIVE THE COMPETITIVE BID REQUIREMENTS.
SO THE DIRECTION THEN WOULD BE FOR STAFF TO PREPARE A COMPETITIVE SOLICITATION THEN, IS WHAT I'M HEARING.
WE CAN, AND WE DO HAVE A CONTENT ON THAT.
ALRIGHT, MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 18.
IT'S A STATE LEGISLATIVE PRIORITY 2026.
UM, SO EVERY YEAR WE SET OUR STATE LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES.
UM, THIS YEAR, UM, THE BREVARD DELEGATION MEETING IS GOING TO BE ON SEPTEMBER 30TH, THE BREVARD LEGISLATIVE DELEGATION MEETING.
UM, HISTORICALLY, THE MAYOR HAS SPOKEN ON BEHALF OF THE CITY AT THAT DELEGATION MEETING.
AND, UM, SO THIS IS THE, LIKE THE FIRST COUNCIL'S FIRST LOOK AT OUR STATE LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES.
I DO WANNA POINT OUT, THIS IS A, UH, UM, A CHANGING DOCUMENT AS WE SEE DIFFERENT THINGS COMING UP.
IF YOU RECALL LAST YEAR, I BELIEVE I BROUGHT SOME, SOME ITEMS FORWARD TO YOU, OR AS WE, WE, I THINK WE THOUGHT OF A DIFFERENT PROJECT TO ADD TO OUR FUNDING REQUESTS.
AND SO THIS IS OUR INITIAL ATTEMPTED IT.
UM, I KNOW THAT THE SPACE COAST LEAGUE OF CITIES AND THE STATE, UM, THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES ARE ALL HAVING, UM, COMMITTEES WORK ON THEIR PRIORITIES AND, AND AND FORTH.
AND SO I, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS STAFFS.
IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU'D LIKE US TO ADD TO THAT, WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ADD.
WE CAN TAKE AWAY IF YOU DON'T, LIKE, IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH SOME OF THESE ITEMS, AND THIS IS WHAT WE WERE GOING TO SUBMIT TO, UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, IN ADVANCE OF THE DELEGATION MEETING.
BUT IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT IT HAS TO STAY AS THIS.
NOW, THE ONE THING IS, IS THE CITY FUNDING REQUESTS.
OUR DEADLINE FOR THOSE FUNDING REQUESTS, I BELIEVE IS OCTOBER 15TH.
AND THAT IS THE ABSOLUTE DEADLINE.
AND BEFORE WE MAKE THOSE, THOSE FUNDING REQUESTS, WE REALLY SHOULD BE MEETING WITH OUR, UM, WITH OUR LOCAL REPRESENTATION HERE.
SO IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER IDEAS, ALL EARS, AND, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE THE SEPTEMBER 24TH AGENDA, AND IN ADDITION IT WOULD JUST BE THE NIGHT BEFORE.
SO THAT'S REALLY SQUEAKING IT IN THE OCTOBER 14TH, AT LEAST FOR THE, THE FUNDING REQUESTS.
UM, SO OPEN FOR ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS.
WHAT WE DID IS WE USED LAST YEAR'S AS OUR BASELINE.
WE DID ADD SOME NEW INFORMATION.
UM, I ALSO AT THIS POINT WANT TO AT LEAST MENTION, I DID MENTION THE LEAGUE OF CITIES, UM, WHEN WE GET THEIRS, UM, THE SPACE COAST LEAGUE OF CITIES, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING I WOULD FORWARD TO COUNCIL WHEN WE GET THE FLORIDA LEAGUE.
UM, I DO KNOW THAT THE, UM, FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES, THEY HAVE THEIR COMMITTEE MEETINGS, UM, THE END OF SEPTEMBER, MID-OCTOBER, AND THEN THEY WILL HAVE THEIR LEGISLATIVE CONFERENCE THE, UM, DECEMBER 4TH AND FIFTH.
AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE, UM, I BELIEVE COUNCIL MEMBER HANLEY IS ON THE FINANCE COMMITTEE.
UM, AND I, I KNOW IT'S LIKE FINANCE.
I SHOULD HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME.
UM, I KNOW THAT, UM, OUR DEPUTY BUILDING OFFICIAL IS ON THE DEVELOPMENT, CO COMPLIANCE AND REDEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE, AND IT'S PART OF HER PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATION.
AND I HAVE BEEN FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO, UM, GET SELECTED TO BE ON THE UTILITIES, NATURAL RESOURCES AND PUBLIC WORKS COMMITTEE.
SO WE WILL HAVE REPRESENTATION AT THE FLORIDA LEAGUE, UM, AT THE, AT THEIR LEGISLATIVE COMMITTEES.
AND AS WE GET INFORMATION FROM THOSE MEETINGS, WE'LL BE BRINGING THOSE BACK TOO.
UM, AS, UH, MS. LAMB HAD ALLUDED TO THE SPACE COAST LEAGUE OF CITIES IS A LITTLE BIT BEHIND BECAUSE THIS CAME UP REALLY QUICK.
IT'S NORMALLY A LITTLE BIT FURTHER OUT.
UM, SO WE ARE WORKING ON OUR LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES.
WE WILL SOLIDIFY THEM AT THE NEXT MEETING.
UNFORTUNATELY, IT'LL BE AFTER THE DELEGATION MEETING.
UM, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT HOME RULE ONE THAT'S ON HERE IS 100%.
STOKE, UM, FROM TITUSVILLE, SHE'S HEAVILY INVOLVED IN THE FLORIDA LEAGUER CITY.
SHE'S NOW, UM, SECOND VICE PRESIDENT.
UM, AND SHE'S GONNA SPEAK ON BEHALF OF FLORIDA LEADERS LEAGUE OF CITIES AT THE DELEGATION.
UM, AND THAT'S ONE OF, UM, HER PRIORITIES.
SHE'S ALSO GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT, UM, AND
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HELP ME WITH THIS, UH, MS. LAMB, THAT'S THE SB 180, SB 180, UM, IN JUST HELPING US OUT WITH, WITH ALL OF THAT AND, AND GETTING THAT, UM, SOLIDIFIED AS WELL.I BELIEVE THEY'RE LOOKING FOR CHANGES, UM, FROM WHAT WAS PASSED LAST YEAR.
'CAUSE IT REALLY HAS BEEN HURTING THE CITIES.
SO IT'S ABOUT CHANGING THE VERBIAGE OR GETTING RID OF THAT COMPLETELY FOR COUNCIL'S BENEFIT.
THAT IS, UM, THE, THE, THE, THE LEGISLATION THAT PASSED THAT HAD TO, IF THERE WAS, UM, A DECLARED EMERGENCY OR IF, OR IF THERE WAS LANDFALL, AND ADAM MAY HAVE TO HELP ME OUT HERE.
IF THERE'S LANDFALL OF A HURRICANE, THEN 12 'EM FOR 12 MONTHS.
WE CAN'T IMPLEMENT ANY TYPE OF NEW DEVELOPMENT CHANGES OR CODE CHANGES, BUT I'LL TURN IT OVER TO ADAM.
SO THE, THE STATUTE DEFINES IMPACTED GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES, COUNT COUNTIES AND MUNICIPALITIES WITHIN A, UM, WITHIN A HUNDRED MILES OF A, OF A HURRICANE LANDFALL.
AND SAYS IF, IF THAT OCCURS, THEN WITHIN A ONE YEAR PERIOD, YOU, UM, THOSE COUNTIES AND MUNICIPALITIES CAN'T ADOPT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS OR LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS THAT ARE MORE RESTRICTIVE, MORE OWNER, THAT THE, THE, THE TERM I BELIEVE THAT THE STATUTE ACTUALLY USES IS, UH, ONEROUS, MORE ONEROUS, UM, FOR THAT ONE YEAR PERIOD.
NOW, OF COURSE, UH, A HUNDRED MILES OF PRETTY WIDE RADIUS AND WE HAVE A HURRICANE, ANNUAL HURRICANE SEASON.
AND SO THERE'S THIS CONCERN THAT THAT RESTRICTION WILL BECOME PERPETUAL.
UM, AND SO, UH, THERE'S, THERE'VE BEEN BOTH LITIGATION AND I THINK LOBBYING AND LEGISLATIVE EFFORTS TO, TO SEEK REVISIONS TO THAT.
RIGHT? SO THE SB 180 AND THE HOME RULE OF THE TWO THINGS THAT THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES IS GOING TO BE REPRESENTED AT THE DELEGATION.
SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE, I CAN ADD THAT TO OUR LIST.
IF I HAVE CONSENSUS OF ADDING THAT CHANGE IN LEGISLATION THAT WAS A RESULT OF LAST YEAR'S SB 180, I THINK WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT ON THAT.
UM, I'M LOOKING ON HERE, AND MAYBE I'M MISSING IT.
DO WE HAVE ANY LANGUAGE ABOUT SUPPORTING CRASS? I KNOW THEY WERE TRYING TO ELIMINATE THOSE LAST SESSION AND I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF THAT CAME UP AGAIN.
IF NOT, COULD WE PUT SOMETHING IN HERE TO SUPPORT OUR CRASS? I DO.
AND THEN WHEN, UM, I HAVE CONSENSUS FOR THAT.
MR. I HAD A QUESTION ON THE HOA ONE, UH, JUST BECAUSE I'M LESS FAMILIAR WITH, I, I'VE HEARD THAT IT'S GOING ON, BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS HOW THAT IMPACT US.
WE WOULDN'T, IF, FOR WHATEVER REASON, NOT, IT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE OUR PRIORITIES HERE, BUT IF FOR WHATEVER REASON THEY DID ELIMINATE OR TRY TO GIVE US ROADS IN HOA, WE WOULD BE RECEIVING THE SAME AMOUNT OF MILLAGE AND TAXABLE VALUE ON THOSE PROPERTIES, WE WOULD BASICALLY BE INCURRING AN EXTRA COST.
IS THAT, DO I HAVE THAT UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY? THAT IS CORRECT.
THAT'S, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, AND NOT JUST ROADS, BUT ALSO THEN YOU START THINKING ABOUT STORM WATER TRACKS AND ALL THAT GOES ALONG WITH TREE TRIMMING AND SO FORTH.
I HEARD THIS ONE IN, IN THERE.
SO IF THEY LOSE, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO GET RID OF THEIR HOME HOA, THEN WE'RE TAKING OVER.
BUT DO WE GET, AND DO WE DON'T GET ANY EXTRA? NO, BUT I DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING.
AND I WAS LIKE, WAIT A MINUTE.
I DON'T, I DON'T SEE, I DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING THOUGH.
AND, AND AT LEAST, AT LEAST THE, THE ONE NEWS AND, AND I BROUGHT THIS UP WITH, TO, TO JENNY, I SAW A NEWS ARTICLE 'CAUSE I HADN'T HEARD OF IT BEFORE.
ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE STATE LEGISLATORS WAS PROPOSING, UH, PROHI, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY TERMINATING ALL SINGLE FAMILY HOME HOAS AND HAVING THE RELEVANT GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY TAKE OVER THEIR, THEIR COMMON AREA IN INFRASTRUCTURE.
YOU KNOW, WHEREAS RIGHT NOW, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE IN HOAS ARE PAYING THEIR TAXES PLUS THEIR HOA ASSESSMENTS, RIGHT? AND SO YOU ELIMINATE THE HOA AND ALL OF A SUDDEN HOA ASSESSMENT GOES AWAY.
AND SO THE EXPECTATION, THEORETICALLY, THE CITY TAKING OVER THAT INFRASTRUCTURE AS AN UNFUNDED MANDATE.
WHICH I DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING.
IT WAS JUST, IT SEEMED LIKE A LONG SHOT.
IT WAS JUST ONE OF THOSE, YEAH.
THERE, THERE'S A LOT OF HOAS AGAIN AT THAT, THAT THEY'RE THEIR OWN BOARDS AND, AND TO ELIMINATE EVERY HOA BOARD, YOU KNOW, I DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING.
SOME PEOPLE WANNA LIVE IN AN HOA.
AND THEN MY LAST THING IS, UM, WITH THEIR, FROM A STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, BASED ON TIMELINES, UH, WE WERE VERY SUCCESSFUL AND I WAS GRATEFUL THAT WE GOT A MILLION DOLLARS FOR THE STREETSCAPE.
WOULD THERE BE ANY, UH, WOULD IT, WOULD IT BE FEASIBLE AT THIS TIME TO ASK THEM FOR ANY AMOUNT FOR HOLMES PARK AS THAT
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MIGHT BE COMING UP? UH, VERY QUICKLY.WE COULDN'T PUT THAT ON THERE.
STAFF'S THOUGHT WAS, WE WEREN'T SURE WE WERE GONNA GET TWO LOCATIONS, SO CLOSE TO ONE ANOTHER.
BUT AT THIS POINT, IT, I MEAN, WE CAN ADD THAT IT DOESN'T HURT.
WE HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT AND WE CAN FILL OUT THESE FORMS. YOU, YOU KNOW WHAT? I I, WE HAVE A GREAT RELATIONSHIP MM-HMM
UH, WITH, WITH OUR DELEGATION.
I'D LIKE TO ADD 'EM BOTH AND, AND MAYBE WE WILL.
SO BOTH STREETSCAPE AND HUNT PARK.
WELL, THE STREETS SCAPE ALREADY WAS FUNDED, ALREADY FUNDED CURRENT.
BUT WHAT'S THE SECOND? THE SECOND AND HORN SPARK.
BUT WAS THERE SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE ALREADY GOT IT.
HER, HER, HER COMMENT WAS SINCE IT'S SO CLOSE, BUT I, I THINK OH, I GOTCHA.
I BEING ANOTHER YEAR, YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S A DIFFERENT PROGRAM.
UM, I, I GUESS I ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I JUST WANNA BRING IT UP THAT I'M NOT SURE WHERE WE'RE GONNA GO, WHERE THE STATE'S GONNA GO WITH THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SOLUTION OF PROPERTY TAXES.
I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE THINKING, IF THEY'RE GONNA, THAT'S WHAT I'M ON.
THEY HAVE, I DON'T KNOW IF, UM, I BELIEVE KEVIN SENT OUT, 'CAUSE I'M ON THE, UH, TAXATION AND ALL THAT ONE.
THE LEAGUE OF CITIES PUT OUT A, UM, A LITTLE VIDEO.
I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY GOT IT.
DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE IT? WANNA PUT IT UP THAT WE CAN DOWNLOAD? EVERYBODY CAN DOWNLOAD.
IF YOU AS I GO TO THESE MEETINGS OR GETTING DIFFERENT STUFF, I'M GOING TO, UM, PUT FORWARD TO YOU GUYS.
SO ABOUT THE, UM, YEAH, I DIDN'T, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS GOT THIS.
THINGS JUST WORK AS THEY SHOULD.
AND ACROSS FLORIDA CITY BY CITY, THEY DO POLICE, FIREFIGHTERS, FIRST RESPONDERS, CLEAN WATER, SAFE STREETS, NEW ROADS FROM PUBLIC PARKS TO PUBLIC SAFETY.
MOST OF THE TIME, MOST OF OUR LOCAL SERVICES JUST WORK RELIABLY AND VISIBLY.
AND OF COURSE, LOCALLY, NO ONE LIKES TAXES.
BUT IN FLORIDA, YEAR-ROUND, RESIDENTS PAY LESS AND GET MORE THAN JUST ABOUT ANYWHERE ELSE.
PROPERTY TAXES, ABOUT HALF OUT OF TEXAS AND TAX RATES, MORE THAN 70% OF FLORIDA CITIES CUT THEM OR HELD THEM STEADY SINCE 2020.
THAT'S PART OF THE FLORIDA FORMULA.
LOW TAXES, HIGH VALUE WITH MOST DECISIONS MADE, AND MOST DOLLARS SPENT CLOSE TO HOME.
BUT SOME WANT TO UPEND THAT FORMULA.
SHIFTING DOLLARS AND DECISIONS TO DISTANT POLITICIANS.
THAT MEANS LESS ACCOUNTABILITY, LESS VALUE, LET'S KEEP TAXES, LOW DECISIONS, LOCAL AND SERVICES RELIABLE.
AND, AND IF YOU COULD JUST SEND THAT LINK OUT TO EVERYBODY WHEN YOU GET A CHANCE.
IF, IF THE LEAGUE OF CITIES HAS DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT, I'LL, I'LL TRY TO BE BRINGING THAT FOR YOU.
PUT IT TO KEVIN SO HE CAN BLAST IT OUT TO THE REST OF THE COUNCIL.
MAYOR, TO YOUR POINT, IS THAT ON THERE THOUGH? UM, OPPOSITION TO THE REMOVING PROPERTY TAXES? IS IT IT'S, IT IS UNDER, YES.
UM, IT'S OPPOSED LEGISLATION ELIMINATING OUR SIGNIFICANTLY LIMITING LOCAL GOVERNMENTS FROM COLLECTING OUT THE WARRANT PACKET.
JUST, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT WAS, IT WAS VERBALLY STATED THAT IT'S IN ONE POINT THAT I WANNA MAKE IS THAT THERE'S BEEN SO MUCH STATED ABOUT WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT, WHETHER THAT'S THE EDC, THE DIFFERENT, UH, CHAMBERS.
I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT, UH, WHAT, WHAT WE AS A CITY, WHAT, WHAT STATED ABOUT THAT.
BUT IT'S A LOT THAT HAS STATED ABOUT WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT AND, AND HOW IT'S IMPORTANT.
I MEAN, UH, THE LAST CHAMBER MEETING THAT I WAS AT MEETING THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE EVEN TALKING ABOUT THAT EVEN MORE THAN SAYING, LET'S NOT TALK ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, IF ANYTHING, LET'S CALL IT WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT HOUSING.
BUT THEN WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT IS JUST, IS ALWAYS STATED.
SO I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR POSITION WOULD BE, BUT I THINK THAT IT, IT WOULD BEHOOVE US TO KIND OF MENTION SOMETHING ABOUT WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT.
WELL, I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING, UM, EXACTLY.
DO WE KNOW WE WANNA PUT ON THERE, IF IT'S JUST A, A MATTER WE CAN SAY SUPPORT LEGISLATION THAT, UM, ADDRESSES WORKFORCE, ADDRESSES, WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT, JUST SOMETHING YOU GO WITH.
YEAH, I'M GOOD WITH THAT CHAIR.
EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT? OKAY.
AND SO THE DISCUSSION, APPROVAL OF 2026, STATE LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES.
SO WE'RE GOOD, RIGHT? CONSENSUS IS GOOD.
'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO PETITIONS, RAMONS, AND COMMUNICATIONS.
AND WE'LL START OUT WITH, UH, YOU MS. BASSETT.
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ANYTHING REALLY TO UPDATE ON JUST A REALLY SAD COUPLE OF DAYS.UM, SO HOPEFULLY THIS, UM, LIKE, UH, DAVE PIERCE SAID
IT'S, UH, IT LOOKS TUMULTUOUS OUT THERE RIGHT NOW, AND HOPEFULLY IT WORKS ITSELF OUT IN A POSITIVE WAY.
MS. FAN, I JUST, THAT I, I SAID I'M GONNA BE IN LEAGUE OF CITIES.
I'M FIGHTING FOR THE, UM, 'CAUSE THAT'S TAXATION, IT'S KIND OF IN MY WHEELHOUSE.
I THINK, I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE THAT I'M IN THAT ONE AND UNDERSTAND THAT.
UM, BUT WHAT THEY HAVE OTHER ONES, THESE LITTLE VIDEOS, I ASK THAT YOU GUYS PUT 'EM IN IF YOU HAVE FACEBOOKS OR INSTAGRAM OR ANY OF THOSE THINGS TO PUT THE YEAH.
SO I'LL PUT IT TO KEVIN WHEN I GET THESE.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS GOT THAT.
DID YOU GET THAT FROM LEAGUE OF CITIES? I DIDN'T KNOW IF I JUST GOT IT SINCE I'M ON THEIR COMMITTEE OR NOT, SO THAT'S WHY I'M BRINGING IT UP THIS TIME.
UM, MY BIG EXCITEMENT FOR, UH, THIS MONTH IS I'LL BE GOING UP TO DC ON MONDAY MORNING AND I'LL BE SPENDING TIME AND I KNOW RIGHT.
UM, MONDAY, TUESDAY, AND WEDNESDAY, UM, FOR FLOOD THE HILL, IT IS ADVOCACY FOR, UM, ADULT EDUCATION AND WORKFORCE TRAINING.
UM, SO I'M EXCITED TO BRING THAT, BUT AS ALWAYS, I WEAR TWO HATS EVERYWHERE I GO.
SO, UM, I'LL BE BRINGING ALSO WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT UP THERE AS WELL.
I MEAN, I THINK Y'ALL HEARD, BUT, UH, DR.
I WENT TO THE JOLIE SMITH CENTER.
HIS BODY'S LAYING IN STATE TODAY.
RAN INTO, UH, THE GUYS, UH, TOLD YOU, UH, STEVE AND UH, AND VILLE, THEY WERE OUT AND, UH, LEARNED A LOT ABOUT HIS, HIS LEGACY.
UM, AND I THINK HIS, HE HAS TO WAIT TOMORROW.
AND THEN THE FUNERAL WAS ON SATURDAY.
SO, UH, DEFINITELY A, A LEGEND AND I DIDN'T, SOME THINGS I DIDN'T KNOW BEING, BEING FAIRLY NEW TO THE AREA.
AND ALSO, I'LL PUT THIS BOOKLET ON YOUR TABLE, UH, UH, MEETING, HANDLING OUT, WE WERE AT THE TPO MEETING TODAY, AND SO I ASKED FOR EXTRA COPIES.
I THINK IT'S A LOT OF INFORMA GOOD INFORMATION TO BE AWARE OF.
AND ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT, THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT, UH, IS THIS FUTURE KIND OF, UH, UBER LIKE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, UH, CONCEPT THAT, UH, THAT I KNOW THAT IT'S A MINI, IT'S A MINI, IT'S, IT'S JUST WITHIN THE SMALL AREA LIKE WEST.
THEY WANNA DO LIKE WEST MELBOURNE, MELBOURNE AREA IN THIS.
AND IT'S LIKE, IT'S AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES LIKE THEY HAVE OUT IN THE SAN FRANCISCO AREA.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE, I MEAN, YOU THINK ABOUT IT, THE BIG ONE I THINK THEY'RE GOING FOR IS THE SENIOR CITIZENS AREA.
THAT WAS THE ONE THAT THEY'RE GOING FOR BECAUSE, UM, A LOT OF, YOU'D BE SURPRISED THAT SOME OF THESE SHOPPING AREAS, EVEN THOUGH IT'S OUT OF THE AREA, WON'T LET THEM GO ON A PAR WON'T USE THE POWER BUS.
THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED BECAUSE IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY, SO THEY WON'T ALLOW IT, BUT THEY, BUT BECAUSE THESE ARE SMALLER, THEY'LL, THEY'LL PROBABLY ALLOW THESE THINGS.
AND, AND I'LL TELL YOU THIS, I WAS TALKING WITH, UH, VICE MAYOR BECAUSE MY TIME AT THE PENTAGON, I SLUGGED TO WORK EVERY DAY AS A PROFESSIONAL, AS A, AS AN OFFICER.
UH, AND SO I EVEN THINK ABOUT WORKING PROFESSIONALS.
THIS COULD BE A WAY OF REDUCING TRAFFIC LONG RANGE.
SO IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THE ASK IS RIGHT NOW, BUT IT'S, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING ON THE, ON THE RADAR FOR US TO, UH, TAKE A LOOK AT.
AND MAYBE A STAFF, UH, IS HAVING THEIR CONVERSATIONS.
IT MAY COME UP AGAIN FOR, UH, AN ASK.
ANYTHING ELSE, SIR? UH, I, I'M GOING TO I-M-I-I-E-M-O THE EMO CLASS OVER IN TAMPA.
UM, SO I'M EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
UNDER THE FLORIDA LEGAL CITY AND THE SPACE COAST LEGAL CITIES HAS NOMINATED ME TO BE PART OF THE ADVOCACY COMMITTEE, UH, FOR THE LOCAL, UH, BRANCH.
AND, AND ALSO, WHERE'S THIS AT AGAIN? THE, UH, IMO? YEAH.
YOU KNOW, SO YOU BETTER GET A ER SHIRT, CORRECT.
OH MAN, DON'T TALK ABOUT THAT GAME GIRL FAN.
HEY, I KNEW YOU KNEW WHAT I WAS GOING, I KNOW.
I THOUGHT WE PLAYED TWICE A YEAR.
HEY, I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, WHEN THAT FIELD GO WENT OFF, I GO, YOU KNOW WHAT? I BET YOU THAT WAY.
NO, MARK MARCUS SMITH TAKING THAT.
NO, I, I, I HAD SAID EARLIER, BUT I'LL LET COUNCIL FINISH.
YOU'RE RECORDING GATOR, SO I DON'T WANNA HEAR NEAR YOU RIGHT NOW.
HEY, FLORIDA STATE ONLY WON TWO GAMES LAST YEAR.
DID YOU SEE THEM PLAY THIS PAST WEEKEND THOUGH? BUT I DO HAVE SOME WORK.
WHEN YOU'RE DONE WITH YOUR GOING
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THROUGH EVERYONE I HAVE SOME WORK FOR.ANYTHING ELSE? I DIDN'T WANNA INTERRUPT YOU.
SO YOU GO THAT HER, UM, I CAN'T TOP THAT, BUT I'LL TELL YOU
UH, ON THE SECOND OF, UH, SEPTEMBER, UM, UH, THE AIRPORT DIRECTOR AND MYSELF AND A FEW OTHER, UH, FOLKS YEAH.
IN OUR, UH, INDUSTRY, UH, HOSTED THE, UH, UH, SECRETARY OF FDOT, UM, SECRETARY PURDUE TOOK HIM FOR A THREE HOUR TOUR AROUND THE, AROUND THE AIRPORT.
UH, WE'RE FINDING THAT FAA IS GOING, IS NOT GONNA BE FUNDING A WHOLE LOT OF GRANTS THIS YEAR.
THEY'RE GONNA BE PULLING BACK ON THAT.
SO WE'RE, WE HOSTED, UH, THE SECRETARY AND, UH, SHOWED HIM SOME OF THE FRUITS OF HIS LABORS FROM OVER THE YEARS, EMBR AIR, UH, SO, UH, AND STS AND WE'RE GONNA BE MAKING A PUSH FOR SOME ADDITIONAL DOLLARS TO EXPAND STS OUT FURTHER IN, UH, TOWARDS NASA.
AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO.
UM, ON THE THIRD, THE NEXT DAY, UM, I HAD THE PLEASURE OF MODERATING A LUNCHEON BETWEEN SUPPOSED TO BE FOUR LADIES, BUT WE HAD ONE LOU, UH, UH, LOSE OUT.
UH, THREE DIFFERENT, UH, COUNCIL LADIES, UM, FROM TITUSVILLE, CAPE CANAVERAL AND, UH, WEST MELBOURNE.
UH, TALKING ABOUT TO THE, UH, VIVAR FEDERATED, UH, UH, WOMEN'S CLUB ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LOCAL POLITICS, DC POLITICS, AND TALLAHASSEE POLITICS AND HOW IT ALL COMES TOGETHER.
IT WAS HAD ABOUT MAYBE A HUNDRED PEOPLE THERE, SOMETHING OF THAT SORT.
AND IT, UH, PULLED OFF REALLY, REALLY COOL.
AND THE, AND I ASKED MS. LAMB TO GO WITH ME BECAUSE MRS. KENNEDY WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THERE.
SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I DIDN'T GET MY TAIL IN TROUBLE WITH ANY SUNSHINE LAW QUESTIONS SO THAT SHE COULD HIT ME OVER THE HEAD.
UM, ON SATURDAY MORNING, UM, WENT TO THE HONOR FLIGHT, UM, UH, TO KICK OFF.
UM, I WAS THERE AT FOUR, YEAH, 10 TO FOUR.
UH, IT WAS MY GRANDSON'S BIRTHDAY, UH, FIFTH BIRTHDAY.
SO I KNEW I COULDN'T GET THERE THAT NIGHT.
UH, AND IT WAS INSPIRING AND IT WAS, UH, DYNAMIC, UH, AND IT WAS EMOTIONAL.
SO THAT'S WHAT I'VE DONE FOR THE CITY SO FAR.
ANYTHING ELSE? GOOD RESPECT, MAYOR.
UH, ONE, I WANTED TO CIRCLE BACK ON THAT DISCUSSION FOR THE MEETING ON NOVEMBER 13TH.
I DID LOOK AT MY CALENDAR AFTER THAT, BUT DID YOU GET DIRECTION ON THAT, JENNY, OR DID YOU SAY YOU WERE BRINGING THAT BACK? I, I WAS, WE HAVE TO BRING A RESOLUTION BACK FOR THE ACTUAL DATE.
SO THERE CAN BE MORE DISCUSSION THEN, BECAUSE I WON'T BE THERE THAT I'LL BE GONE THAT WEEK.
OH, JUDGE, WE'RE HAVING A MEETING.
I WAS GONNA SAY, I DON'T KNOW IF, IF, IF IT'S A QUORUM THING, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THAT, BUT IF NOT, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT WAS AT LEAST AWARE THAT I WOULDN'T BE THERE, UM, IF THAT'S THE CASE.
UH, SECONDLY, THE, UH, SO I KNOW THAT NEXT YEAR, OBVIOUSLY THE AMERICAN 250TH IS GONNA BE HUGE.
NIKKI, IF THERE'S ANYTHING I CAN PERSONALLY DO IN MY CAPACITY TO HELP Y'ALL OUT, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
I'D LOVE THIS TO, TO REALLY BE GOOD FOR MELBOURNE.
BUT ALSO, UM, IF YOU NOTICED, UH, FROM THE PRAYER AND THE REMARKS, THAT WILL ALSO BE THE 25TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE NINE 11.
AND I WAS WONDERING IF THERE'S ANY WAY AND I, THAT WE CAN, WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A MEMORIAL PARK.
IT'S NEXT TO, UM, UH, THE LIBERTY BALL MUSEUM.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY THAT WE CAN REACH OUT TO TRY TO GET AN ARTIFACT OR IF WE COULD DO SOMETHING ON OUR OWN THAT'S, YOU KNOW, MEMORABLE, BUT, BUT SMALL.
I WANNA KNOW IF THERE'S ANY TEMPERATURE FROM COUNCIL, WHETHER WE DO IT FROM THIS CAPACITY OR IF YOU GUYS HAVE OTHER IDEAS OR AS YOU KNOW, STAFF TO BRING SOMETHING BACK FOR US OF OPTIONS, WHAT THAT WOULD BE.
MA'AM, I WOULD THINK THAT WHATEVER YOU'RE THINKING IN YOUR MIND, ALL THE DIFFERENT VARIABLES, BRING 'EM BACK FOR US TO TALK IT THROUGH.
WELL, IF I NEED, LET'S MAKE IT A DISCUSSION ITEM.
IF I NEED TO GET A LETTER TO GO TO LIKE THE, THERE'S A FOUNDATION UP IN NEW YORK TO GET TO SEE IF THEY WOULD DO AN ARTIFACT.
DO I HAVE APPROVAL AT LEAST GET A LETTER FROM STAFF THAT WE'RE OPEN TO THAT DISCUSSION? OR I ASKING FOR IT FROM OFFICIAL LETTERHEAD? IF YOU'RE, WELL, I WANNA MAKE SURE YOU'RE OFFICIAL LETTERHEAD FOR THAT REQUEST IF YOU'RE WANTING, YOU KNOW, A CONSENSUS.
I, I WOULD SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, RUN WITH IT.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S AN ISSUE.
IS THAT OKAY? IT'S GONNA BE, YEAH, DEFINITELY.
UH, MEMORIAL'S GONNA BE NEXT YEAR GONNA BE, HAVE A MORAL YEAR.
NO, AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT OVER THE YEARS SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THIS COUNCIL IS THAT, UH, NINE 11 WAS A, WAS A HUGE EVENT FOR US TO, UM, TO MOURN THOSE FAMILIES.
UM, AND IT, AND OFTENTIMES THE CITIES CAME TOGETHER AND WE DO IT AT CALVARY, UH, UH, CAVALRY CHURCH BECAUSE IT HELD 500 PEOPLE.
UM, BUT I'VE SEEN THAT GO OFF DURING THE YEARS AND TEND TO GO BACK.
THE ONLY ONE I REALLY SAW WAS, UH, PALM BAY TODAY.
UH, BIG FLAG, YOU KNOW, AND THAT KIND OF THING.
SO MAYBE WE CAN RAMP OURSELVES UP A LITTLE BIT BETTER FOR NEXT YEAR.
AND LISTEN, IF WE GET SOMETHING TILL WE GIVE A NICE CELEBRATION, YOU KNOW, YOU AS THE LOCAL COULD, UH, COULD SHOW US HOW TO DO IT.
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SPEAKING ON THE, SINCE YOU'RE FROM THE AREA.
BUT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT NEXT YEAR SAYS 250TH YEAR BEING ON THE DIOCESE.
AND MS. LAMB, YOU HAD, YOU SAID YOU WANTED TO, YOU HAD SOMETHING FOR THE END OF THE MEETING.
UM, I, I SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT THIS UP EARLIER, BUT I HAVE VERY SAD NEWS THAT WE LOST ONE OF OUR EMPLOYEES TODAY.
UM, ROY BRO WAS, UM, ON, IN A MOTORCYCLE ACCIDENT ON THE WAY TO WORK THIS MORNING, AND HE WILL BE GREATLY MISSED.
I KNOW THAT HIS, UM, IMMEDIATE COWORKERS AND HIS DIVISION AND HIS DEPARTMENT ARE, UM, WERE GREATLY, THEY'RE VERY IMPACTED BY THIS.
AND MANY OF US HERE AT THE CITY, CITY ARE DEEPLY SADDENED BY IT.
SO JUST, THAT'S ALI ON ALI AT STEWART THIS MORNING, SO VERY SAD WAS, UM, I THINK SIX 20 OR SOMETHING.
WHICH DEPARTMENT? UM, HE'S WITH OUR PUBLIC WORKS AND UTILITIES DEPARTMENT.
UM, THE OTHER TWO, UM, ARE MORE, I WANTED TO BRING UP, WE HAD, UH, AN ONGOING DISCUSSION ITEM THAT WE KEPT MOVING FORWARD.
I DIDN'T KNOW, I DIDN'T WANT NECESSARILY WANT IT FORGOTTEN ABOUT, ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW.
THANK YOU MS. MRS. KENNEDY FOR BRINGING THAT UP AND ASKING ME THE STATUS OF THAT.
SO I DIDN'T KNOW, UM, IF COUNSEL WANTED ME TO TRY TO FIND ONE OF THE AGENDAS TO PLACE THAT ON, MAYBE ONE THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE AS FULL THAT WE COULD, YOU KNOW YES.
SORT OF WORK AND, AND, AND TRY TO PLACE THAT ON ONE OF THOSE.
SO I'LL JUST SAY SOMETIME, HOPEFULLY BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR, I'LL FIND ONE THAT, THAT HAS LIKE THE LEAST AMOUNT OF ITEMS ON IT.
IF THAT, IF THAT WORKS FOR YOU.
THE OTHER ITEM IS, IS THAT, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH, UM, ASKED ABOUT, UM, ADDING A DISCUSSION ITEM FOR A SMALL AND DEVELOPING, DEVELOPING BUSINESS PROGRAM.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I CAN ADD TO AN AGENDA ITEM ALSO THAT, THAT WAS RELATED TO WE VENTURE.
AND I THINK YOU ASKED HER A QUESTION.
SHE WOULD, SHE DIDN'T REALLY GET A CHANCE TO FINISH.
SO WAIT, ARE YOU ASKING THAT SHE PRESENTS OR ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU'RE GONNA BRING IT UP? SHE WOULD PRESENT, YEAH.
SO I THOUGHT YOU WERE PRESENTING YOUR PROPOSAL.
UM, I THINK THAT IT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH.
'CAUSE I WANT HER TO BE ABLE TO FINISH SOME OF THE POINTS THAT SHE WAS MAKING BECAUSE WE, I MEAN WE VENTURE, HOW MANY OF YOU KNOW ABOUT WE VENTURE? MOST, UH, WE DO.
SO I MEAN, SHE DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO, TO MAKE POINTS AND THEN I COULD MAKE A PRESENTATION THAT, UH, ALSO AT THE SAME TIME, DOES SHE WANT MONEY? NOT YET.
I'D BE MORE COMFORTABLE IF YOU WERE PRESENTING PER SE.
I JUST THINK IT'D BE A LITTLE BIT MORE PREFERRED ON THAT.
'CAUSE UNFORTUNATELY, WHILE THERE WAS THE TIME CONSTRAINT, ALL THAT STUFF, WE, THE OTHER FOLKS, THE REASON ON THAT.
BUT THAT, THAT'S AT LEAST WHERE MY MIND'S GOING ON IT.
I MEAN, YEAH, I, I CAN DO THAT TOO.
I CAN PRESENT ANYTHING ELSE MS. LAMB? YEAH, NO WE GOOD? ALRIGHT, UH, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND I'M DURING THE MEETING TONIGHT 'CAUSE I'M 56.