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BEFORE WE, WE BEGIN THE MEETING, LET ME REVIEW THE PROCEDURES FOR THE MEETING.
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SPEAK TO CITY COUNCIL'S OF BODY.
DO NOT ADDRESS THE MAYOR AND THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS INDIVIDUALLY.
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THE TIME LIMITS ARE POSTED ON THE REQUEST TO SPEAK FORM AN APPLICANT REPRESENTATIVE OR PERSON WHO HAS LEGAL STANDING TO SUPPORT OR OPPOSE A QUASI ISSUE.
MATTER WILL BE PERMIT ADMITTED ENOUGH TIME TO SPEAK AS REASONABLY DETERMINED BY THE CITY COUNCIL TO CREATE A RECORD BEFORE THE CITY.
ANY PERSON WHO MAKES PERSONAL IMPERTINENT OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS OR BECOMES BOISTEROUS OR DISRESPECTFUL WHILE ADDRESSING THE CITY COUNCIL WILL BE ORDERED TO LEAVE THE COUNCIL CHAMBER.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US THIS EVENING.
WE'LL BEGIN WITH AN INVOCATION.
IF YOU WISH TO PARTICIPATE, PLEASE STAND.
FATHER, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING US ALL HERE TODAY.
THANK YOU FOR OUR STAFF WHO HAVE HELPED PUT TOGETHER THIS BUDGET DOCUMENT.
THANK YOU FOR THE CITIZENS AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY AND THE STAFF WHO HAVE COME TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS, UH, WORKSHOP MEETING, AS WELL AS TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR TAKING THEIR TIME TO TODAY TO TAKE CARE OF IT.
PLEASE GUIDE US AND STRENGTHEN US.
ALRIGHT, LET'S DO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, FOR LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
MR. EWEN, THE ROLL CALL COUNCIL.
COUNCIL MEMBER LARUSSO PRESENT.
AND MAYOR ALFRE WILL NOT BE HERE THIS EVENING.
NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS REVIEW OF THE FISCAL YEAR 2026, PROPOSED BUDGET.
ROSS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ROLL US THROUGH IT? WILL DO.
UH, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME OVER THESE PAST FEW WEEKS TO REVIEW THE BUDGET.
THIS SHOULD MIRROR QUITE A LOT OF WHAT WE'VE ALREADY SPOKEN ABOUT, BUT JUST FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I'VE, I'VE SAID MY PIECE HERE AS WELL.
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UH, SO IF ANY OF THIS IS REPETITIVE, I APOLOGIZE, BUT JUST, UH, JUST GOING THROUGH IT A LITTLE BIT.UH, SO THE PURPOSE OF, OF WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE TODAY IS WE'RE MAINLY LOOKING TO SET A TENTATIVE MILLAGE RATE THAT WILL BE INCLUDED ON YOUR AUGUST MAILERS FOR TRIM NOTICES TO GO OUT TO PROPERTY OWNERS OF IMPACTED PROPERTIES.
UH, WHEN WE'RE, UH, GOING THROUGH THIS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO INTERRUPT ME.
IF THERE'S ANY POINTS YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE, ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE OF ME OR STAFF, I'D BE HAPPY TO HELP TRY AND FACILITATE THAT.
UH, THE GOAL HERE IS TO HAVE THAT ENGAGEMENT IN THAT DISCUSSION, UH, HOPEFULLY SETTLING ON A MILLAGE RATE THAT IS IN THE BEST INTEREST FOR, UH, THE CITIZENS AND COUNCIL AND EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM.
UH, THE IMPORTANT THING TO NOTE ABOUT TONIGHT'S, UH, MILLAGE, WHAT YOU ADOPT TONIGHT, OR AT LEAST ADOPT THE PROPOSED MILLAGE TONIGHT CANNOT BE INCREASED FROM THIS POINT.
UM, KEVIN, IS THERE, YOU OUR ON OUR SCREENS HERE? NOT ALREADY ON? NO, NO.
UH, THE MONITORS MAY JUST NOT BE ON.
JUST LIKE, LET THERE BE LIGHT.
UH, SO JUST JUMPING INTO IT A LITTLE BIT IN TERMS OF OUR UNDERLYING ECONOMIC CONDITIONS THAT HELP STAFF INFORM SOME OF THE BUDGETARY, UH, DECISIONS THAT WE'VE MADE AND HAVE DISCUSSED WITH YOU.
UH, WE DO STILL HAVE PERSISTENT INFLATIONARY PRESSURES.
UH, WE'RE STILL AWAITING THE, THE IMPACTS OF TARIFFS AND WHEN, WHEN THEY BECOME KNOWN.
UH, WE HAVE SEEN THE FIRST DATA POINTS HERE IN, UH, BACK IN JUNE TO SEE SLIGHT ELEVATIONS, BUT WE'RE NOT QUITE CERTAIN YET IF THAT, UH, ONE DATA POINT TURNS INTO A TREND.
UH, GOING FORWARD INTO THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE, WE'RE AT 3.7%.
THIS IS NOTABLY HIGHER FROM PREVIOUS YEARS, 2.6 AND 23 AND 3.2 AND 24.
BUT WE'RE STILL IN A VERY TIGHT LABOR MARKET, WHICH MEANS WE'RE STILL COMPETING HEAVILY WITH, UH, OUR COMPETITORS WITH OUR OTHER CITIES, UH, OTHER, OTHER COMPANIES IN THE AREA.
AND IT'S, IT'S JUST GENERALLY VERY DIFFICULT TO HIRE AND RETAIN, UH, GOING FORWARD.
OUR FED FUND RATE, THAT'S WHAT'S INFORMING WHAT YOU ARE RECEIVING AN INTEREST INCOME AND WHAT IT COSTS FOR THE CITY TO BORROW.
UH, THAT'S ELEVATED AT A 4.25% TO 4.5%.
UH, RIGHT NOW, THERE'S SOME, SOME DEBATE AND DISCUSSION ABOUT WHERE THAT AMOUNT SHOULD BE, BUT RIGHT NOW, FOR THE PURPOSES OF OUR BUDGET, WE'RE ASSUMING THAT THAT RATE WILL BE AT LEAST CONSISTENT THROUGH MOST OF THIS YEAR, UH, IN THE EVENT THAT IT'S NOT OUR LONG-TERM PORTFOLIO HAS REINVESTED AT THE HIGHER RATES.
SO WE'RE AT LEAST CONFIDENT IN OUR REVENUE PROJECTIONS FOR 26.
UH, THE LAST BULLET POINT I'VE MENTIONED TO YOU IN THE PAST, THIS IS JUST A, A NOTE FOR ECONOMIC, UH, PREDICTIONS.
UH, HISTORICALLY, AN INVERTED YIELD CURVE WOULD IMPLY THAT WE'RE ENTERING A RECESSION, IT UN INVERTED BACK IN DECEMBER, BUT WE'VE NOT YET SEEN THAT RECESSION.
UH, SO WE MAY HAVE ACHIEVED THAT SOFT LANDING THAT WAS SPOKEN ABOUT SO MUCH LAST YEAR, OR WE'RE JUST KIND OF IN A WAIT AND SEE A LITTLE BIT OF UNCERTAINTY RIGHT NOW.
SO, UH, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE UNDERLYING PRESSURES THAT WE'RE WE'RE FACING IN OUR BUDGET, JUST AS YOU ARE FACING THEM AT HOME.
SO THIS WAS A SLIDE THAT I PRESENTED AT LAST YEAR'S, UH, BUDGET WORKSHOP.
UH, THIS IS JUST KIND OF WHAT WE THOUGHT, UH, GOING INTO 25, OUR CURRENT FISCAL YEAR, WHERE THE REVENUES WERE, WHERE THEY'RE GOING.
UH, THE REVENUES LISTED ON THE SCREEN HERE.
THIS IS 80% OF YOUR GENERAL FUND.
SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING MATERIAL THAT WILL HURT OR HELP YOU IN THE BUDGET PROCESS, IT WILL BE IN THESE REVENUE STREAMS. UH, LOOKING AT IT LAST YEAR, WE THOUGHT PRETTY NEUTRAL ON, UH, MOST OF OUR INCOME, UH, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF PROPERTY TAX AND THE WATER SEWER RATE OF RETURN.
HOWEVER, THOSE ARE THE TWO, UH, RATES WHICH YOU HAVE THE MOST CONTROL OVER.
UH, AND EVEN THOSE CONTROLS ARE LIMITED.
UH, JUMPING FORWARD TO 26, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW, UH, STILL A LITTLE BIT FLAT IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING FOR ELECTRIC REVENUES, AS WELL AS SOME OF OUR, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE SPOKE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE INTEREST INCOME.
I DON'T BELIEVE THERE WILL BE ANY ADDITIONAL INTEREST INCOME ABOVE WHERE WE'RE BUDGETING NOW.
UH, THIS IS PROBABLY OUR HIGH WATERMARK.
UM, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE RED THERE FOR A CHANGE.
UH, THAT'S OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT HALF SENT SALES TAX, OUR STATE SHARED REVENUE, UH, SALES TAX PORTION, AS WELL AS OUR LOCAL OPTION GAS TAX.
THESE ARE THE PROPORTION BASED FORMULAS WE SPOKE ABOUT.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY, WHEN THERE IS GROWTH, UH, IN EXCESS OF OUR GROWTH IN OTHER AREAS OF THE COUNTY, WE SUFFER FROM THAT PROPORTIONALITY OF OUR POPULATION VERSUS THEIRS.
UH, THE OTHER, UH, ONE TO NOTE HERE, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT ON THE 10TH COMMUNICATION SERVICES TAX.
THINK YOUR NETFLIXES, YOUR HULUS SPECTRUMS, UH, WHEN THEY INCREASE THE RATES, WE SEE A, AN INCREASE IN, IN OUR REVENUE STREAM THERE.
AND FRANKLY, IT'S, IT'S BEEN, UH, FORTUNATELY RATHER IT'S BEEN A, A, A VERY BIG, BRIGHT SPOT, BUT IT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT I CAN SEE THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA MOVE THE NEEDLE ANY WHICH WAY.
UH, SO AT THE 10TH, I GAVE YOU THIS SLIDE AS KIND OF A PRECURSOR TO WHAT WE KNEW AND WHAT WE DIDN'T KNOW.
UH, WE FIGURED AT THAT TIME, IN TERMS OF KNOWN COSTS, WE WERE LOOKING AT AROUND 6.6 MILLION IN INCREASED COSTS, 6.7 THERE.
UM, AND ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THAT, OUR REVENUES, WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING THAT WAS GONNA REALLY KIND OF GET US THERE OTHER THAN PROPERTY TAXES.
SO, UH, NOW THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS, UH, YOU KNOW, KICKED THE TIRES, LOOKED INTO ALL THE DATA
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POINTS, WHAT WE, WHATEVER WAS AVAILABLE TO US, UH, THE PROPOSED BUDGET BOOK YOU RECEIVED, THIS IS THE, UH, MORE DETAILED VERSION OF THAT CHART THAT BALANCES HERE AT AN INCREASE OF 7.5 MILLION.SO AGAIN, IF YOU LOOK ON THE EXPENDITURE SIDE, WE KNEW EMPLOYEE COMPENSATION WAS GOING TO BE THE LARGEST FACTOR OF THIS.
UH, WE HAVE AWARDED CONTRACTS THAT HAVE MADE US THE MOST COMPETITIVE, AT LEAST IN TERMS OF POLICE AND FIRE.
UH, AND WE ARE LOOKING TO TRY AND PERFORM A COMP AND CLASS AS WELL AS MAINTAIN, UH, OUR ABILITY TO RECRUIT AND RETAIN OUR NON-UNION POSITIONS AS WELL.
UH, HEALTH INSURANCE, UH, WE SPOKE ABOUT THIS AT THE RENEWAL TIMEFRAME.
UH, WE FACTORED IN ABOUT A 12% COST INCREASE, UH, BASED OFF OF WHERE OUR MEDICAL LOSS RATIO IS AT.
WE'VE SEEN IMPROVEMENT IN THAT REGARD.
UH, BUT THERE'S STILL SOME, SOME, UH, SOME ROADWAY LEFT TO LEFT TO COVER, UH, OPERATING EXPENDITURES.
UH, WE'VE GONE THROUGH ALL OF THE DEPARTMENT ASKS.
WE FUNDED WHAT WE COULD, WHAT WE COULD JUSTIFY WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS BOTH IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THAT DEPARTMENT AND THE CITY.
UH, AND FORTUNATELY ACROSS ALL DEPARTMENTS, WE'RE LOOKING AT A $561,000 INCREASE.
UH, BEYOND THAT POINT, RISK MANAGEMENT, WE SPOKE ABOUT THE INSURANCE PREMIUMS IN TERMS OF OUR RISK, UH, OUR, OUR PROPERTY INSURANCE, OUR CASUALTY INSURANCE, UH, THAT ALSO IS STILL INCREASING, ALTHOUGH WE'RE STARTING TO SEE SOME SIGNS THAT THAT INDUSTRY IS BEGINNING TO PLATEAU.
MY HOPE IS THAT, UH, WE WON'T SEE AS BIG AN INCREASE GOING THE NEXT YEAR.
BUT SO FAR WITH INSURANCE, IT'S KIND OF ANYBODY'S GUESS YEAR TO YEAR.
UH, CRA TAX INCREMENT FUNDING.
AS WE INCREASE OUR PROPERTY TAX RATES, THERE IS ADDITIONAL PROPERTY TAX, UH, TAX INCREMENTAL FUNDING THAT GOES TO YOUR CRA DISTRICTS, THE OLD ALI DISTRICT, AS WELL AS THE DOWNTOWN MELBOURNE.
UM, AND THEN YOUR MACHINERY, EQUIPMENT, AND UTILITIES LINES WERE RATHER FLAT BY COMPARISON TO PREVIOUS YEARS.
HOWEVER, THE MACHINERY EQUIPMENT LINE, EVEN THOUGH IT SHOWS AN INCREASE OF 87,000, WE DID DEFER ABOUT 1.35 MILLION IN MACHINERY EQUIPMENT TO MAKE THE BUDGET BALANCE.
UH, THE LAST, UH, TWO THINGS TO NOTE THERE.
I WAS HOPING THIS WOULD BE A BIGGER NUMBER, BUT IT DOES COST MONEY TO RUN A GOLF COURSE.
AND WE'RE STILL TRYING TO DIAL IN RATES AFTER WE'VE HAD, UH, NOT A SINGLE YEAR OF FULL OPENINGS BETWEEN BOTH COURSES AND AT LEAST A COUPLE YEARS.
SO WE'RE HOPING TO USE THIS YEAR AS A, A JUMPING OFF POINT TO JUSTIFY WHETHER OR NOT RATES ARE SUFFICIENT, WHETHER OR NOT ROUNDS BEING PLAYED ARE BEING IMPACTED BY HIGHER RATES AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY CAN AFFORD ADDITIONAL INCREASES IF NECESSARY.
UM, WE'RE DOING WHAT WE CAN TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF ROUNDS WE PLAYED IN A GIVEN YEAR.
UH, BUT WE, WE ARE CONTINUOUSLY, UH, TRYING TO REEVALUATE AND UNDERSTAND WHAT WE CAN DO TO MAKE THAT BETTER.
UH, SO JUST, JUST FOR, UH, MY OWN UNDERSTANDING, WHAT ARE THE CURRENT RATES FOR THE GOLF COURSES AS FAR AS THE PLAY? OR I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, IF WE HAVE A SLIDE, SOMETHING? YEAH.
I DON'T HAVE IT ON HAND, BUT I CAN BRING UP THE CITY'S WEBSITE, WHICH I WOULD HOPE WOULD HAVE IT DIRECTLY LISTED THERE.
I APOLOGIZE IF YOU'RE, SO YOU HAVE $40 FOR 18 HOLES WITH CART.
NINE HOLES WITH CART IS 24 EIGHTEENS 25, UH, NINE IS 18 FOR WALKING.
AND THESE ARE LIKELY THE SUMMER RATES, AS WE DISCUSSED WITH THE PARKS AND REC AND GOLF DIRECTOR, UH, I BELIEVE TWO MONTHS AGO ABOUT GOING FROM WINTER RATES BACK DOWN TO SUMMER RATES.
THESE ARE STILL ELEVATED FROM WHERE THEY WERE IN PRIOR YEARS.
UH, THIS WAS TO REFLECT THE IMPROVED COURSE CONDITIONS THAT WE HAD REINVESTED INTO THESE COURSES.
SO IT JUSTIFIES, AT LEAST FROM THE PURPOSES OF A GOLFER THAT THIS WAS WORTH THE MONEY TO PAY TO PLAY THAT COURSE.
UM, ANY FOLLOW UP ON THAT ONE? YES.
SO THIS IS, SO THAT THOSE RATES ARE IN REAL TIME AND THEY GET CHANGED DAILY OR, OR WEEKLY, WHENEVER IT'S TYPICALLY SEASONALLY.
SO WHEN IT'S ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYBODY ON THE WEBSITE.
SO THEY'RE NOT GOING INTO WALKING INTO THINKING THEY'RE GONNA PAY $25, BUT THEY KNOW THEY'RE GONNA PAY 40.
UH, SO JUST TO PUT A BOWEN ON IT, THE GOLF COURSE IS SUBSIDY, UH, IT WAS 708,000 IN THE ORIGINAL BUDGET LAST YEAR.
THIS YEAR IT'S IN THAT SIX, 690,000 RANGE.
SO AGAIN, STAFF IS STILL REEVALUATING AND SEEING WHAT WE CAN DO TO IMPROVE THOSE MARGINS.
UH, THAT LAST LINE THERE TRANSFERS TO CIP, THAT NEGATIVE 971,000.
IF YOU NOTICE ON THE OTHER COLUMN, FUND BALANCE IS ALSO DECREASING BY A SIMILAR AMOUNT LAST YEAR AT THIS TIME, WE CHOSE TO FUND SOME CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR AS OPPOSED TO THE SECOND QUARTER, THIRD QUARTER, AS WE TRADITIONALLY DO, UH, JUST BASED ON THE URGENCY OF THOSE PROJECTS THIS YEAR, WE DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING IN THAT SAME CATEGORY.
SO YOU SEE DECREASES ON BOTH SIDES OF THE LEDGER FOR THAT.
UH, ON THE LEFT SIDE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT MOST OF THESE REVENUES, BUT I'LL FOCUS ON AT LEAST THE TOP ONE FOR THE MOST PART.
UH, PROPERTY TAXES BEING AT 4.1 MILLION, AT LEAST IN THIS PROPOSED BUDGET BEFORE YOU, UH, THAT'S OUR LARGEST, UH, REVENUE STREAM.
IT'S THE ONE YOU HAVE THE MOST CONTROL OVER.
AND AS I KNOW THE STATE HAS BEEN, UH, MAKING SOME NOISE ON THIS TOPIC LATELY.
BUT IF YOU WERE TO TAKE THAT OUTTA THE EQUATION AND TRY AND DO WHAT WE'VE DONE ON THE RIGHT SIDE THERE, IT BECOMES NEAR IMPOSSIBLE.
UM, IF WE WERE TO CONSIDER THAT ANY OF THE ALTERNATIVES MIGHT BE A POPULATION BASED FORMULA, AGAIN, YOU'RE IMPOSSIBLE.
SO, UH, JUST SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND AS YOU TALK WITH YOUR, UH, COUNTERPARTS AT THE STATE.
AND, UH, UH, PLEASE LOBBY THEM ON OUR BEHALF.
UH, BEYOND THAT POINT, UH, WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER INCREASES I HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT YET.
DEVELOPMENT FEES, UH, COUNCIL WOULD'VE APPROVED BACK IN JUNE, UH, AN INCREASE OF 25% TO THE DEVELOPMENT FEES RELATED TO, UH, PLANNING REVIEW.
UM, WHERE THAT'S BEING USED TO OFFSET
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PARTIALLY A, UH, A NEW PLANNING DEVELOPMENT REVIEW POSITION, UH, FOR BOTH THE ENGINEERING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENTS.THAT'S ONE POSITION SHARED BY BOTH THAT SHOULD HOPE, UH, HOPEFULLY ADDRESS SOME OF THE, UH, TIMELINESS CONCERNS, ESPECIALLY AS WITH REGARD TO, UH, THE STATE LAW, WHICH IS MANDATING SHORTER AND SHORTER TIMES TO HAVE TURNAROUND ON THOSE, THOSE REVIEWS.
UH, THE GOLF FUND ADVANCED REPAYMENT, UH, THAT $225,000 THERE, THAT'S A, A PARTLY THE REASON WHY THE GOLF COURSE IS SUBSIDY HASN'T DECREASED.
UH, IN ORDER TO SHOW THE TRUE COST TO OPERATE THE GOLF COURSE, WE HAVE TO SHOW WHAT THE COST OF, UH, PURCHASING THOSE NEW CART FLEETS THAT HAVE BEEN AR ARRIVING, I THINK IN THE PAST COUPLE MONTHS THAT YOU'VE SEEN THE NICE BLUE NEW ONES.
UH, SO OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS, THE, UH, GOLF COURSES FUND WILL, UH, PAY BACK THE GENERAL FUND THE MONEY THAT WAS ADVANCED TO THEM FOR THAT PURPOSE.
UH, AND THEN BEYOND THAT POINT, NOT TOO MUCH TO REALLY LOOK AT OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT WE DO HAVE THOSE TWO DECREASES THERE ON LOCAL OPTION GAS TAX AS WELL AS SALES TAXES.
AGAIN, POPULATION BASED FORMULA.
NOT IN OUR FAVOR RIGHT NOW, UNFORTUNATELY.
UH, ROSS, UH, THE, UM, PROPERTY TAXES THAT YOU HAVE UP THERE.
UM, HAVE YOU TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION ANY OF THE NEW PROJECTS THAT WE'VE GOT COMING, LIKE THE LARGE APARTMENT COMPLEX COMING OUT ON, UM, BABCOCK AND, UH, NASA? I THINK IT IS.
SO WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS, DO WE PROJECT THAT INTO THIS BUDGET OR DO WE WAIT UNTIL IT ACTUALLY LANDS AND THEN WE WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT BUDGET TO ACTUALLY APPLY IT? SO IN A LOT OF WAYS, WE'RE DEPENDENT ON THE TIME THAT CO IS ISSUED AND AT WHAT TIME THAT ARRIVES AT THE PROPERTY APPRAISER TO, UH, ADD THEM TO THE TAX ROLLS.
UH, IN TERMS OF WHAT WE LOOK AT FOR FORECASTING OUT FUTURE REVENUES, AND I APOLOGIZE THAT YOU'RE SEEING BEHIND THE CURTAIN A LITTLE BIT HERE.
UH, BUT I WANTED TO POINT YOU BACK TO THE, UH, JUNE 10TH DISCUSSION ITEM.
OH, I, I KNOW COLORS ARE, ARE BETTER IN THIS FORMAT.
UH, SO LEMME PUT THIS UP HERE REAL QUICK.
SO THIS IS OUR BUILDING PERMIT ACTIVITY THROUGH MAY OF EACH YEAR.
THIS IS THE LAST TIME I PULLED THIS DATA.
UH, WHEN WE LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS IN THE BLUE LINE THERE, THE ISSUED PERMITS THROUGH MAY OF EACH OF THOSE YEARS, YOU'VE SEEN THAT NUMBER DECREASE.
UM, BUT YOU HAVE SEEN THE VALUATION INCREASE.
SO WE DO REFLECT THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE, THE NEW CONSTRUCTION VALUES TO GO UP, EVEN THOUGH WE MAY SEE LESS PROJECTS, UH, JUST AT GREATER MAGNITUDE.
SO THE ONE THING TO CONSIDER THOUGH, THAT I THINK HAS BEEN HURTING US, AT LEAST IN REGARDS TO FORECASTING PROPERTY TAXES, ESPECIALLY USING THIS METHODOLOGY INCLUDED IN THAT NUMBER WAS OF COURSE THE NEW POLICE STATION.
UM, THERE'S ALSO THE STUDENT DORMS DOWN AT, UH, FLORIDA TECH.
THAT'S ALSO A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WON'T, WON'T BE PAYING PROPERTY TAXES BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF USE.
UM, AND THEN I BELIEVE THERE WAS ALSO THE, UH, NEW DESO FALCON JET FACILITY, UH, THAT OF COURSE IS UNDER A SPACE FLORIDA LEASE.
SO EVEN THOUGH WE'VE HAD SOME EXCELLENT PROJECTS, EXCELLENT GROWTH, UH, IT'S NOT IN A TAXABLE FORMAT THAT WILL REFLECT IN YOUR GENERAL FUND.
AND AGAIN, APOLOGIES AS I SWITCH BACK REAL QUICK.
UH, SO TO DIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE INTO EMPLOYEE COMPENSATION, UH, PBA, UH, 169 POSITIONS, UH, WE'RE IN YEAR THREE OF THE CURRENT CONTRACT.
THIS IS THE LAST YEAR FOR THAT CONTRACT.
THERE'S A 6% COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT BUILT INTO THIS BUDGET.
YOU CAN SEE AS THE 26, UH, STARTING PAGE SHOW THAT WE'RE STILL VERY COMPETITIVE BY COMPARISON TO OUR PEERS.
UH, I DID WANNA NOTE THAT I DID HAPPEN TO SEE ON THE CITY OF TITUS PHIL'S WEBSITE THAT THEY'RE UP NOW AT 53,996.
SO WE'RE, UH, WE'RE VERY WELL POSITIONED WHEN IT COMES TO, UH, OUR PEERS IN THE COUNTY LOOKING AT, UH, FIRE, UH, 142 POSITIONS.
UH, THIS IS A SLIGHTLY MORE EXPENSIVE CONTRACT JUST DUE TO THE NATURE OF THEIR PENSION CONTRIBUTIONS AND THE HIGHER RATE THAT THEY HAVE.
UH, THEY'RE RECEIVING A 9% COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT AS WELL AS AN INCREASE TO THEIR SOLO MEDIC STIPEND PAY.
AND AGAIN, WE ARE WELL POSITIONED AMONGST OUR PEERS FOR, UH, FOR WHAT WE HAVE AWARDED, UH, IN TERMS OF COMPENSATION.
AND THEN FOR EVERYBODY ELSE, THIS IS OUR NON-UNION, UH, POSITIONS NOT COVERED BY EITHER BARGAINING UNIT.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THERE ON THE LEFT, THAT'S A COMPARISON OF WHAT THE OTHER CITIES HAVE BEEN DOING.
I'VE NOT BEEN ABLE TO FIND COCOA BEACHES.
BUT, UH, FROM WHAT WE DO KNOW, UH, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'RE KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PACK THERE TOWARDS THE BACK.
UM, BUT IT'S, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WE ARE DOING THAT COMP AND CLASS STUDY AND WE HAVE PUT A SET ASIDE INTO THIS BUDGET AT THIS CURRENT MILLAGE RATE THAT WE HAVE BEFORE YOU, THAT'S POORLY WORDED ON MY PART IS NOT THE CURRENT MILLAGE RATE, BUT THE, THE MILLAGE RATE THAT WE HAVE BEFORE YOU IN THE BUDGET IS, UH, SUFFICIENT TO COVER THAT COMP AND CLASS.
AND THAT'S 635 FULL-TIME EQUIVALENT POSITIONS ACROSS ALL OF YOUR FUNDS, ROSS? YES, MA'AM.
SO WHAT WE'RE PROJECTING IS THAT, UM, AFTER THE COMPING CLASS, IT'LL BE AT 3% THROUGH, THROUGH THE NON-UNION, OR IT ARE THE NON-UNION EMPLOYEES GETTING AT 3%.
AND THEN WE'VE ALSO BUDGETED FOR ANY INCREASES IN THE COMPING CLASS THAT THAT'S MORE
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LIKELY THE IMPLEMENTATION.UH, THE GOAL WAS, IN TERMS OF DOING THIS IN TANDEM, WAS TO HAVE THE COMPING CLASS READY IN LIEU OF THE BEGINNING OF THE FISCAL YEAR.
OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE A TIGHT CALENDAR TO KIND OF MEET THAT GOAL, UH, BUT WE WILL BE DOING THAT AS BEST WE CAN.
SO WHEN IT COMES TO OCTOBER ONE, WHEN WE IMPLEMENT ALL OF THE CHANGES NECESSARY, AT A MINIMUM, THE INTENT IS FOR AN EMPLOYEE TO RECEIVE A 3% COLA ADJUSTMENT.
UH, BEYOND THAT POINT, THE COMP AND CLASS WILL MAKE FURTHER ADJUSTMENTS BASED OFF OF INEQUITIES OR, UH, MARKET FORCES THAT REQUIRE US TO PAY MORE FOR THE POSITION TO RECRUIT AND RETAIN.
HOW ARE WE PAYING FOR IT? UH, WE TALKED ABOUT PROPERTY TAX A LITTLE BIT.
THIS IS THE MILL RATE THAT WE USE.
AND I APOLOGIZE, I WISH I HAD THIS UP WHEN I WAS STUMBLING OVER.
THE WORD CURRENT, UH, CURRENT RATE RIGHT NOW IS 6.5466.
THAT WAS IN YOUR FISCAL YEAR 25.
UH, THE ROLLBACK MILLAGE, OR THE MILLAGE THAT WOULD GENERATE THE SAME AMOUNT OF REVENUE E EXCEPT FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, UH, IS 6.2927, AND THE PROPOSED MILLAGE RATE IN THE BOOK BEFORE YOU.
UH, THE, THE BUDGET THAT WE HAVE BALANCED BEFORE YOU RIGHT NOW IS 6.6703.
UH, AND WHILE IT DOES REPRESENT A 6% INCREASE IN TERMS OF WHAT TRIM LAW REQUIRES ME TO STATE, UH, IT IS A 1.8900000000000001% INCREASE OVER THE CURRENT MILLAGE RATE OF 6.5466.
UM, AND FROM HERE, UH, I DO WANT TO SHOW YOU WHAT THAT MEANS IN TERMS OF A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
THIS MEANS THE, THE TYPES OF PARCELS THAT ARE MOST PREDOMINANTLY THROUGHOUT CITY OF MELBOURNE.
I APOLOGIZE, THIS IS VERY TINY PRINT.
I WOULD BE HAPPY TO, UH, ASSIST ANYBODY WITH READING THIS.
UM, BUT IN TERMS OF WHAT WE HAVE PROPOSED BEFORE YOU, THIS WILL BE AN ANNUAL INCREASE OF $46 AND 83 CENTS TO A CITY OF MELBOURNE, UH, MEDIAN, UH, SINGLE FAMILY HOME TAX BILL.
UH, IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, AGAINST OUR PEERS, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER HIGHER THAN US AND A NUMBER BELOW US.
WE'RE KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE THERE.
THE ONES HIGHER, OBVIOUSLY, UH, BEING BEACHSIDE COMMUNITIES, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF DIFFERENT DEMOGRAPHICS IN TERMS OF, UH, POPULATION DENSITY AND PROPERTY VALUES THAT KIND OF ALLOW FOR THEM TO, TO HAVE THAT HIGHER INCREASE, UH, BY COMPARISON TO OUR MAINLAND PEERS.
IN TERMS OF PALM BAY, COCO TITUSVILLE AND WEST MELBOURNE, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER, BUT, UH, THEIR PROPERTY VALUES ARE A LITTLE BIT LOWER IN TERMS OF MEDIAN TAXABLE VALUE.
UH, SO BETWEEN THE MILITARY COMPARISON AND THE MILITARY COMPARISON FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES? YES.
SO I DON'T WANT US TO GET LOST IN THE SAUCE LIKE WE USUALLY DO EVERY YEAR.
SO AS WE LOOK AT THIS, COMPARABLY IS AT MELBOURNE, WE'RE AT 46 83, 40 $6 83 CENTS AVERAGE PER HOUSEHOLD INCREASE.
SO THEN WE LOOK AT THE LOW MILLAGE RATE AT CAPE CANAVERAL OF ONLY 3.2474.
UH, BUT HOWEVER, THEIR TAX INCREASE IS 2 0 2 AND THEN THE SAME WITHIN THE ATLANTIC.
SO I DON'T WANT TO GET CAUGHT UP IN THIS, IN THIS CYCLE OF COMPARING OURSELVES TO OTHER CITIES AND THEIR MILITARY BECAUSE IT ALWAYS WORKS IN OUR DISADVANTAGE.
'CAUSE WE HAVE THIS MINDSET THAT, OH, WE CAN'T BE HIGHER THAN THEM.
WE GOTTA BE LOWER THAN THEM, KIND OF THING.
EACH CITY, WHAT WE SEE HERE, WE DON'T HAVE THEIR BUDGET.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR CHALLENGES ARE.
SO JUST THE NUMBERS ACROSS, I JUST WANT TO REMIND THAT OF, OF OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS VERY, IS THAT WE'RE NOT COMPETING WITH OTHER CITIES.
WE ARE ESTABLISHING A TAX RATE THAT IS EQUITABLE AND WILL, UH, PERFORM THE TASK THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
AND MILITARY COMPARISON, I DON'T GIVE A CRAP.
I REALLY DON'T, YOU KNOW, BUT, BUT BECAUSE YOU DO SUCH A GOOD JOB, THIS IS WHERE THE RUBBER MEETS THE ROAD AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.
I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT OUT LOUD.
AND, AND WE DO TRY TO, UH, ADD IN THERE, IF YOU LOOK ON THE PROPOSED TAXES LINE OR COLUMN RATHER, UH, THE SECOND FROM THE RIGHT, UH, THAT WOULD BE THE MEDIAN TAX BILL FOR, UH, THE CITY'S OPERATING FUNDS.
SO, UH, $827, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, IF I'M LOOKING AT THAT CORRECTLY.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THE COMPARISON TO OUR PEERS, UH, PALM BAY AT EIGHT 16.
UM, SOME OF OUR OTHER, AND AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND THE COMPARISONS ARE, UH, WITHOUT CONTEXT.
SO WITHOUT KNOWING THEIR CHALLENGES, UH, I CAN TELL YOU WHEN I LOOKED AT THE MEDIAN TAXABLE VALUES FROM LAST YEAR TO THIS YEAR, I FOUND IT VERY CONCERNING THAT THERE WERE CERTAIN COMMUNITIES WHERE THERE WAS ACTUALLY A DECREASE.
UH, THAT COULD BE ATTRIBUTABLE TO, UH, I KNOW CONDOMINIUMS HAVE SEEN A, A QUITE A HIT IN THE REAL ESTATE MARKET, AND THAT HEAVILY IMPACTS OUR BEACHSIDE COMMUNITIES.
UH, BUT AS WELL AS, UH, JUST EITHER NEW CONSTRUCTION GROWTH, ALLOWING FOR ADDITIONAL TURNOVER OF HOMES, RESETTING THE EXEMPTIONS, UH, IT, ANYTHING CAN PLAY INTO THAT.
SO I DO WHAT I CAN TO BEST RESEARCH, UH, TO UNDERSTAND IF WE'RE DOING SOMETHING OUT OF THE NORM FROM WHAT, UH, A, AN AVERAGE BREVARD COUNTY RESIDENT WOULD EXPECT OF THEIR, THEIR CITY.
AND, AND IT A AND IT IS A FAIR COMPARISON AND IT GIVES US SOME GUIDELINES, BUT I DON'T WANT TO WRAP OUR HEADS AROUND OTHER PEOPLE'S MILIT RATES.
AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING THROUGH.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR CHALLENGES ARE, NOR DO THEY KNOW NO HOURS.
SO HOW DOES THIS PROPOSED BUDGET STACK UP AGAINST YOUR, UH, PREVIOUS DECISIONS? UH, IN TERMS OF PROPERTY TAX, THIS IS, UH, WELL, WELL IN LINE AT 6%
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INCREASE BASED OFF OF THE TRIM, UH, REQUIRED CALCULATION OVER ROLLBACK.UH, WHEN YOU LOOK BACK OVER THE PAST ABOUT SINCE 2019, UH, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF 2021, WE'VE BEEN ROUGHLY IN THAT FIVE TO 6% RANGE.
UH, STAFF FELT THAT THE, AT LEAST IN TERMS OF KEEPING CURRENT LEVELS OF SERVICE, THAT THIS WAS AN APPROPRIATE AMOUNT.
UH, HOWEVER, WE'RE ALWAYS, UH, EAGER TO TRY AND ADDRESS CERTAIN LONG-TERM DEFERRED CAPITAL NEEDS AS WELL.
SO, UH, THIS IS JUST FOR CONTEXT IN TERMS OF A HISTORICAL COMPARISON.
UH, ADDITIONALLY, I LIKE TO SHOW WATER AND SEWER BECAUSE THAT'S THE OTHER REVENUE STREAM THAT YOU HAVE THE MOST CONTROL OVER.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'VE HAD, UH, SIGNIFICANT, UH, DROUGHT OF INCREASES BETWEEN 2016 AND 2023.
UH, THAT HAS REQUIRED US TO DO SOME SIGNIFICANT INCREASES.
AND WHAT I'VE SHOWN YOU THERE IN THE 8.39% IS A BIT OF A PREVIEW.
UH, WE HAVE OUR WATER RATE CONSULTANT WHO SHOULD HOPEFULLY BE ATTENDING ONE OF OUR TWO AUGUST MEETINGS, UH, WITH THE FORMAL REPORT FINDINGS TO SHOW THE, THE SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION BEHIND, UH, INCREASES.
UH, RIGHT NOW, AT LEAST FOR 2026, WE'RE LOOKING AT A 10.5% WATER INCREASE WHILE ALSO HAVING A 7% SEWER INCREASE.
UH, WE'VE ALL SEEN THE OPERATING COSTS AS WE'VE COME BACK AND REQUESTED ADDITIONAL CHEMICAL, UH, BUDGETS, UH, ADDITIONAL, UH, SOLIDS DISPOSAL, UH, BUDGETS.
UM, THINGS HAVE JUST BECOME PROHIBITIVELY COSTLY TO RUN AS WELL AS THE REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE TO DO TO MEET ADVANCED WA WASTEWATER TREATMENT STANDARDS, UH, AS WELL AS, UH, ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE'RE MANDATED TO DO BY THE STATE OR FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS.
SO THAT'S JUST A QUICK PREVIEW INTO THAT, BUT I DON'T WANNA TAKE THE THUNDER AWAY FROM THE GENERAL FUND.
UM, CITYWIDE BUDGET SUMMARY HERE.
UH, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT SO FAR ACROSS ALL OF YOUR FUNDS.
IN 2025, THE ADOPTED BUDGET FOR THE GENERAL FUND WAS 100 HUNDRED $13,101,347.
UH, THE 2026 PROPOSED BUDGET HERE IS $120,669,439.
SO THAT'S AN INCREASE OF ABOUT 6.6899999999999995%.
UH, WHEN YOU LOOK THROUGH THE REST OF YOUR FUNDS, I TOUCHED BRIEFLY ON THIS WITH YOU GUYS AT YOUR INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS, YOUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT, YOUR HOME, UH, PARTNERSHIP FUNDS.
THOSE ARE DEPENDENT HEAVILY ON WHAT THE BUDGET DISCUSSIONS ARE GOING ON AT WASHINGTON RIGHT NOW.
UH, WE'RE HOPEFUL TO SEE THE, THE FUNDING THAT WE'VE ADOPTED HERE OR PROPOSING HERE, UH, WILL BE, UH, AWARDED THROUGH THE FEDERAL BUDGET PROCESS, HOWEVER THAT REMAINS YET TO BE SEEN.
UM, AND OF COURSE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THINGS LIKE THE GOLF COURSES FUND, WHEN YOU SEE A DECREASE OF ABOUT 700,000 LIKE THAT, THAT'S MAINLY BECAUSE WE PURCHASED CARTS THIS YEAR.
WE DON'T HAVE TO PURCHASE CARDS NEXT YEAR.
UM, AND THEN LOOKING THROUGH AGAIN, UH, WATER AND SEWER, YOU SEE THAT 6.43% INCREASE, UH, TO 78,000,900.
UH, SO YOUR TOTAL 2026 PROPOSED BUDGET AS STAFF HAS PRESENTED IT, IS $266,907,000 AND 23.
I SAID THAT WRONG, BUT YES, IT'S POINT STANDS.
UM, IN TERMS OF MILIT RATES, LOOKING BACK OVER THE PAST 10 YEARS, UH, THE 6.6703 THAT YOU SEE THERE IS STILL, UH, HISTORICALLY LOW BY COMPARISON TO PRIOR YEARS.
UM, AND THEN IN TERMS OF WHAT COUNCIL WILL BE DOING IN, UH, ADOPTING A TENTATIVE MILLAGE RATE THAT WILL GO OUT ON THE TRIM NOTICES IN AUGUST.
UH, STAFF DID PREPARE, UH, AS RECOMMENDED BY, UH, A NUMBER OF MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, UM, SOME ALTERNATIVE MILLAGE RATE OPTIONS.
SO, UH, PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY DIFFICULTY READING THIS.
WALK US THROUGH SOME OF THE OPTIONS BEFORE YOU.
UH, OBVIOUSLY THE ROLLBACK RATE WOULD BE AS IF WE WERE TO NOT TO INCREASE ANY TAXES OTHER THAN NEW CONSTRUCTION.
THAT WOULD ONLY GENERATE YOU $899,000.
I WOULD'VE TO CUT 3 MILLION OUT OF THE BUDGET.
UM, I, I WILL TELL YOU, WE'VE GONE THROUGH WITH A FINE TOOTH COMB.
I DON'T BELIEVE THERE IS MUCH FLUFF IN THIS BUDGET, IN, IN ANY SENSE OF THAT WORD.
UM, WE WENT LEAN LAST YEAR AND WE'VE CONTINUED TO STAY LEAN.
UM, AND, AND MARLA, CODY AND LIZ AND THE BUDGET OFFICE HAVE DONE A FABULOUS JOB REVIEWING ALL DEPARTMENT REQUESTS.
AND WE ALWAYS APPRECIATE OUR PARTNERS IN THE DEPARTMENTS WORKING WITH US AS WE VALIDATE THOSE REQUESTS.
UH, SO THE PROPOSED BUDGET AS IS, THAT'S THAT TAN LINE AGAIN, 6.6703.
THAT'S A 6% INCREASE OVER ROLLBACK 1.8900000000000001% INCREASE OVER CURRENT.
UH, WE PROVIDED YOU, UH, SIX OPTIONS AND I KNOW THAT, UH, THIS MAY NOT COVER EXACTLY WHAT EACH COUNCIL MEMBER MAY BE LOOKING FOR OR MAY NOT BE LOOKING FOR, BUT THIS WAS JUST TO KIND OF START OFF THE CONVERSATION.
OPTION ONE THERE SHOWS AN ADDITIONAL MILLION DOLLARS TO ROADS, UH, THAT WILL BRING MILLAGE UP TO 6.7944.
UH, THAT WOULD BE A 7.9% INCREASE OVER ROLLBACK.
UH, THE INTENT OF THAT 1 MILLION IS OBVIOUSLY WE'VE HAD YEARS OF, OF, UH, UH, A LACK OF FUNDING IN THE PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PROGRAM.
YOU MIGHT RECALL FROM THE THE 2015 STUDY, WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN AROUND 6.16 MILLION ISH, UH, EACH YEAR OVER THE PAST DECADE TO MAINTAIN FAIR CONDITION ROADS.
UH, WE'VE, UH, ONLY GOTTEN NOW UP TO 4 MILLION AS OF THIS YEAR.
UH, THAT'S A CONTINUANCE OF THE 2025 BUDGET OF 4 MILLION.
THE LACK OF LGT REVENUES, UH HA HAS KIND OF HAMPERED US IN KIND OF FURTHERING THAT GOAL.
SO, UH, WHERE LGT FAILS PROPERTY TAX HAS TO STEP IN, IT'S THE ONLY OTHER ONE WE CAN CONTROL TO THAT DEGREE.
OPTION TWO, THIS IS THE DEFERRED M AND E.
THIS IS WHAT SHOWS AS RED IN YOUR BUDGET, WHICH IS ABOUT 1.35 MILLION.
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I MENTIONED THAT NUMBER BEFORE.UH, THAT ALONE, UH, WOULD BRING THE ADE UP TO, UH, 6.8378.
UH, AND YOU CAN SEE THE PERCENTAGE INCREASES THERE OVER TO THE RIGHT.
SO I DON'T WANNA GO THROUGH EACH OF THESE NECESSARILY, BUT UH, I'D BE HAPPY TO DO SO IF COUNCIL WOULD LIKE.
UM, I DO WANNA NOTE THAT IF FOR OPTION THREE, IF YOU DID THE ADDITIONAL 2 MILLION ROADS, YOU WOULD ACTUALLY ACHIEVE THE $6 MILLION FUNDING FIGURE, UH, THAT WE'VE BEEN SO DESPERATELY TRYING FOR THE PAST DECADE TO GET TO.
UM, NOW AGAIN, THAT IS A DATED NUMBER 'CAUSE THAT WAS A 2015 STUDY AND ASPHALT PER TON WAS ABOUT HALF THE COST IT IS TODAY, BUT IT AT LEAST, UH, WOULD REPRESENT SOME LEVEL OF VICTORY TO SAY THAT WE'VE ACHIEVED ONE OF THE TARGET LEVELS OF FUNDING FOR ANY OF THESE.
UM, AND I JUST WANNA POINT OUT IN OPTION SIX, THIS IS THE MAXIMUM TWO THIRDS VOTE RATE, UH, MEANING THAT ANYTHING ABOVE THIS WOULD REQUIRE A UNANIMOUS VOTE AND REFERENDUM.
SO IN TERMS OF OPTIONS, THIS IS THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF FLEXIBILITY WITH A SIGNIFICANT, UH, WITHOUT SIGNIFICANT EFFORT, UH, UPON STAFF AND, AND THE PUBLIC TO, UH, GO ANY HIGHER THAN THAT 7.2342.
I DO WANNA POINT OUT, AT LEAST WHEN LOOKING AT THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, UH, NONE OF THOSE, UH, OPTIONS ONE THROUGH FIVE, UH, ARE ANY HIGHER THAN THE NUMBERS, UH, PRIOR TO 2021.
SO HISTORICALLY IT IS IN LINE WITH WHERE WE HAVE SEEN MILLAGE RATES.
UH, IT WOULD STILL BE BELOW THOSE FIRST FOUR YEARS ON THE CHART.
UH, AND THEN THE LAST THING I WANTED TO DO, AND I UNDERSTAND, UH, NOT NECESSARILY COMPARING DO PEERS, BUT IN TERMS OF THE DOLLAR FIGURES, AND AGAIN, IF THIS IS TOO HARD TO READ, I'D BE HAPPY TO IT.
CAN WE GO BACK ONE JUST FOR A SECOND? YES.
THE, THIS ONE VICE MAYOR? SURE.
UM, SO THE, UH, THE NUMBERS THERE, UH, FIVE, UH, OPTIONS.
SO FOUR OUT OF THE FIVE ARE DEDICATED TO, UH, ROADS, UH, OR PART OF IT IS ROADS.
UM, NUMBER TWO IS NOT JUST DEFERRED TO M AND E.
UM, SO ARE, IF WE WERE TO GO ALL HYPOTHETICAL, ALL 10,000 VOTES, ABSOLUTELY.
IF WE WERE TO GO WITH DEFERRED OPTION NUMBER FOUR, ARE WE OBLIGATED TO THE 1 MILLION FOR ROADS OR IS THAT JUST UP THERE TO GIVE US GUIDANCE OR CAN WE MAKE IT 750,000 FOR ROADS AND, YOU KNOW, PICK UP ANOTHER 250 FOR, UM, OTHER M AND E UH, UH, OPPORTUNITIES? IT'S ENTIRELY TO COUNCIL'S DIRECTION.
UH, WHAT I WAS HOPING TO DO WITH THIS BUDGET CYCLE WAS, UH, MOVING FORWARD, UH, TYING THE AMOUNT THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY FUNDING IT TO, TO A PERCENTAGE OF PROPERTY TAX, SO THAT AS PROPERTY VALUES WILL NATURALLY APPRECIATE.
THE FUNDING FOR THESE SOURCES WILL ALSO NATURALLY APPRECIATE.
I JUST WANTED TO FIND OUT IF WE HAD WIGGLE ROOM ON THAT.
UM, I, I DO WANNA POINT OUT THAT, UM, THIS COULD BE ANY OPTION.
AND EVEN THOUGH WE PREVENTED YOU PRESENTED THIS, YOU CAN MIX AND MATCH.
YOU COULD HAVE A PROJECT IN THE BOOK THAT YOU'RE LIKE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE NOT ACCELERATING.
I WANT THAT TO BE PART OF THE ADDITIONAL FUNDING.
SHOULD YOU GO ABOVE THE PROPOSED MILLAGE RATE? UM, I DO BELIEVE, DO YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THAT? YEAH.
I DO BELIEVE THAT IF YOU DECIDE ON A SET DOLLAR VALUE, THAT UM, ROSS WILL BE ABLE TO TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT THAT EQUATE THAT DOLLAR VALUE TO A MILLAGE RATE TONIGHT.
NOW, SO WHAT I HAVE UP ON THE SCREEN HERE IS A CALCULATOR THAT MARLO WAS SO KIND TO PREPARE FOR ME BEFORE THIS MEETING.
UM, SO IN THE EVENT THAT THERE IS ANOTHER OPTION YOU'D LIKE ME TO PURSUE, WE CAN GET SOMETHING TANGIBLE BEFORE YOU PRETTY QUICKLY.
MAR'S THE COOLEST PERSON IN THAT DEPARTMENT THOUGHT,
SO WITH THAT, UM, AT LEAST FOR RIGHT NOW, UM, THE ONLY OTHER SLIDE I HAD TO PRESENT TO YOU WAS INCLUDING THOSE OPTIONS THAT WE WERE PREVIOUSLY LOOKING AT.
UH, IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A DOLLAR FIGURE PER HOME, UH, THESE ARE THE DOLLAR FIGURES THERE ON THE FURTHEST RIGHT AS COMPARED TO BOTH THE PROPOSED BUDGET, CURRENT RATE ROLLED BACK IN OTHER COMMUNITIES.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE OTHER COMMUNITIES MAY NOT BE THE BENCHMARK YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IN THIS, THIS INSTANCE.
SO AT LEAST IN TERMS OF THE MAXIMUM TWO THIRD VOTE RATE, UH, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BRING IN, UH, $116 PER, UH, SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN TERMS OF MEDIAN, UH, SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
UH, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE IT GOES DOWN THERE SUCCESSIVELY BY, UH, BY DOLLAR FIGURE.
SO, UH, WITH THAT, I, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO COUNSEL FOR DISCUSSION AT LEAST IN TERMS OF, UH, DIRECTION AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING I MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO TO HELP FACILITATE THAT DISCUSSION.
UH, BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO REVIEW BUDGET, UH, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ROSS ON THIS PRESENTATION THAT WE DIDN'T GET OUT ALREADY? SEEING NONE.
SO THE NEXT ITEM IS REVIEW BUDGET, WHICH IS THE ITEM IN FRONT OF US.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY ITEMS THAT THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT FROM THE DOCUMENT? THE, THE ITEM AFTER THAT WILL BE SETTING THE MILLAGE.
WHAT, WHAT'S AN, WHAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF CONVERSATION VICE MAYOR? SURE.
UH, SO FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE A LINE ITEM IN THE ON PAGE 165 FOR THE COUNCIL, MAYOR AND COUNCIL FUND.
THAT WAS INCREASED, I BELIEVE, LAST, UH, BUDGET.
NO, UH, IT WAS INCREASED A COUPLE AGO, BUT NOW IT'S AT $15,000
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WHERE WE SPEND ABOUT 8,000 ON TRAINING AND EDUCATION WHERE WE COULD CUT 5,000 OF THAT AND BRING IT BACK AND GIVE IT BACK TO THE, UH, TO THE STAFF.SO, AND THEN THERE'S OTHER, I'LL GIVE, I'LL GIVE YOU ANOTHER EXAMPLE.
IT'S NOT A LINE ITEM, BUT LIKE, I HAD A COUPLE THINGS IN THERE.
WOULD COUNSEL BE OPEN TO GIVING STAFF $5,000 BACK OUT OF OUR BUDGET? WELL, YEP.
WELL, NO, BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA, IF YOU'RE DOING THAT, THE BUDGET IS, UM, YOU KNOW, DOING THE LINE ITEM, THEN YOU WERE LOOKING AT HAVING TO INCREASE OUR PAYS.
THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE GONNA SAY, THEN WE'RE NOT GONNA BE LOOKING AT IN DOING AN INCREASE, YOU'RE GONNA SAY WHAT MS. JENNY, THE PAY WILL NOT HIT THIS FISCAL YEAR BECAUSE IT IS, IT IS AFTER THE NEXT ELECTION.
SO THAT WILL BE THE FOLLOWING YEAR.
SO, BUT I'M SORRY, CHRISTINA, WE'VE HAD, WE'VE HAD IT AT THAT RATE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS AND A LOT OF TIMES WE DON'T USE IT.
WE DON'T RING, SO WE CAN JUST LEAVE IT THERE AND IF IT'S SITTING THERE, IF WE NEED IT FOR ANYTHING, IT'S THERE FOR US TO USE.
BUT IF IT'S NEEDED FOR SOMETHING ELSE IN THE CITY, I JUST THINK IT'D BE PROFOUND GESTURE.
I MEAN, TALKING TO STAFF, IT'S A EASY POCKET OF MONEY THAT WE COULD GIVE BACK TO THEM AND IT'S SUCH A MINIMAL AMOUNT OF THE WHOLE THING.
IT'S SEEM MEANINGFUL AND WE BROUGHT IT UP TOGETHER.
BUT IF IT, IF YOU DON'T THINK IT'S MEANINGFUL TO THEM, NO, JUST LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS.
UM, SO TO THAT POINT, UM, WHEN IS IT THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS BUDGET FOR OUR BUDGET, DO WE THEN SEE, OH, WE ARE NOT GONNA HIT THAT AT ALL.
WE'RE GONNA PUT THAT BACK INTO THE FALL OUT.
YEAH, SO, UH, I MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP WITH THAT.
SO ANYTHING THAT'S NOT SPENT WITHIN ANY DEPARTMENT'S BUDGET, WHICH WE CONSIDER, UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL TO BE A DIVISION RATHER, NOT DEPARTMENT, BUT DEPARTMENT OR DIVISION OF THE CITY, UH, IN THAT CASE, ANYTHING THAT'S UNSPENT THAT WAS IN THE BUDGET, WE WILL ROLL INTO, UH, FUND BALANCE.
AND THEN ACCORDING TO OUR, UH, FUND BALANCE RATE AND RATE AND RETURN POLICY, WE WILL ACTUALLY, UH, SCHEDULE THAT FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN PROJECTS.
AND, AND VICE MAYOR, LEMME MAKE THIS POINT EVEN ON A LINE ITEM LIKE THAT, JUST ONE MORE THING.
SO IT GOES INTO FUND BALANCE, WHICH THEN GOES INTO CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.
IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE YOU HAD IN MIND VICE MAYOR OTHER THAN CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE MIGHT USE THAT 5,004 OR JUST IN GENERAL? NO, I WASN'T GONNA EARMARK IT.
I, I OFFERED IT TO GIVE THAT BACK TO THEM AS A, AS ADJUSTER.
I THINK, I THINK THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE.
IN THAT IF WE PUT IT INTO THE FUND BALANCE, THEN IT'S CATEGORICAL, SO YOU CAN'T SPEND IT ANYWHERE ELSE IF THE CITY MIGHT NEED IT.
MS. BASSETT, I WOULD SUPPORT IT.
OH, WHAT? YEAH, YOU'RE AN NEXT AND NONE.
UH, MY ONLY QUESTION IS OF COURSE, UM, AS WITH THE ONE-ON-ONES, AND EVEN LOOKING AT THIS LINE ITEM BEFORE WE KIND OF MAKE THIS DECISION, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS WHAT ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT WE'VE SPENT THIS TYPE OF FUND, THIS LINE ITEM ON AS FAR AS TRAINING AND EDUCATION? AND IS THERE ANYTHING THAT MAYBE HAS, WAS DONE IN THE PAST THAT MAYBE NEED TO BE RELOOKED AS FAR AS TRAINING AND EDUCATION? SO THIS IS TRADITIONALLY WHERE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, UH, CERTAIN, UM, EVENTS THAT COUNCIL ATTENDS THAT, UH, WE DEEM TRAINING AND EDUCATION LIKE EVENTS.
SO IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, IF YOU'RE ATTENDING SOMETHING LIKE A FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES DINNER SURE.
UH, AND, AND KIND OF ALONG THAT SAME KIND OF PATH, UH, ANY OF THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE, UH, TRAVEL TO AND, UH, YOU KNOW, PARTICIPATE IN THEIR PROGRAMS. ALRIGHT.
SO, SO SECOND POINT, I I ALSO PUT A PROPOSAL THAT WE EXPAND THAT WE INCLUDE ADDITIONAL ORGANIZATIONS.
SO WE'RE, SO I THINK IT, WE MAY BE LOOKING COUNTER AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT'S WHERE THAT'S ALLOCATED FROM, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BUT THAT HASN'T BEEN APPROVED YET.
I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA MAKE AN ASSUMPTION THAT WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE IT.
I, AND AGAIN, WE'RE STILL USING, HISTORICALLY RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT 3,915 FOR YEAR TO DATE.
NOW OUR FISCAL YEAR ENDS SHORTLY.
SO THIS IS FALLOUT FROM THIS CURRENT YEAR IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? WE HAVE, WE HAVE A HUGE, YEAH.
MA I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THE, THE MORE FINITE DETAIL THAT THAT ISN'T IN THE BOOK, THIS IS THE EXPLANATION FOR TRAINING AND EDUCATION IS ATTENDANCE AT VARIOUS TRAININGS AND EDUCATIONAL CONFERENCES PER COUNCIL POLICY.
16 MEMBERS MAY ATTEND FLORIDA LEAGUE CITY EVENTS WITHOUT FURTHER APPROVAL EVENTS IN COUNCIL MEMBERSHIP ATTENDANCE FLUCTUATE EACH YEAR.
COUNCIL MEMBERS ATTENDING TRAINING SESSION AND CONFERENCES TO FURTHER THEIR EDUCATION ON TOPICS RELEVANT TO ELECTED OFFICIALS.
HISTORICALLY, EVENTS INCLUDE FLORIDA LEAGUE CITY ANNUAL CONFERENCE, FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITY LEGISLATIVE CONFERENCE, INSTITUTE FOR ELECTED MUNICIPAL OFFICERS FOR FLORIDA LEGAL CITY LEADERSHIP ACADEMY, MRC, LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT CONFERENCE.
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NOW AND AGAIN, LIKE I, I DO THINK THAT THOSE ARE VALUABLE.I JUST, AGAIN, IT'S JUST, WE'RE NOT USING IT, SIR.
UH, MR. LARISSA, UM, GOING LINE ITEM, MY LINE ITEM IS, IS OH NO, THAT'S ONLY ONE IS AR NO.
YOU KNOW, SO WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND FIRST IS THAT JUST TO GET THE MILL TRADE GOING INTO THE NEXT BUDGET, THAT'S NOT THE ORDER OF THE BUSINESS THAT ORDER THE BUSINESSES TO GO TO THE BUDGET.
YOU KNOW, GOING INTO THE NEXT, UH, BUDGET HEARING OR WORKSHOP IS THAT WE IDENTIFY THE ONES THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED LINE ITEM BY RATHER THAN TO DO THIS, YOU KNOW, INDIVIDUALLY, UM, OUT HERE.
THEN WE HAVE A, UH, A A LIST THAT YOUR LIST YOUR LIST, YOUR LIST OF WHAT YOU WANT TO YEAH.
YOU KNOW, HIT LINE ITEM WISE, UH, BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAD THE CONVERSATION IS THAT HOW MANY POSITIONS HAVE BEEN FROZEN FOR THREE YEARS AND ARE NOT FILLABLE? AND WHAT DOES THAT REPRESENT IN TURN, IN REGARD TO, UH, DOLLARS IN SALARIES THAT WE'RE STILL FREEZING, WE'RE STILL BUDGETING.
HOWEVER, THAT, THAT POSITION ISN'T GONNA GET, ISN'T GONNA GET FILLED.
NOT FOR SOME TIME NOT TO TAKE IT OFF THE, NOT TO TAKE THE POSITION OFF THE BOOKS, BUT TO TAKE THAT MONEY OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE PROCESS.
SO IF I'VE GOT $300,000 IN SALARY OUT THERE THAT'S NOT BEING FILLED BY OTHER DEPARTMENTS BECAUSE WE CAN'T OR UNABLE TO OR WHATEVER THE CIRCUMSTANCES MAY BE, GIVEN A THREE YEAR OR FOUR YEAR PERIOD BASED ON YOUR RECOMMENDATION, UH, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE, UM, UH, SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE OF HOW THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED.
SO THAT, THAT'S MY LINE ITEM KIND OF STUFF.
SO I SAY, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GO THROUGH THIS TILL 10 O'CLOCK TONIGHT.
I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO, BUT I MEAN, JUST IDENTIFYING EVERYTHING THAT'S REALLY GIVEN AS HEARTBURN IN HERE, LINE BY LINE, ITEM BY LINE ITEM, AND COME BACK WITH THE NEXT ONE.
AND THEN THEY HAVE THEIR, THEIR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR AND THEN THEIR RESPONSE TO IT AS WELL TOO, RATHER THAN JUST KNEE JERK.
I THINK WE NEED LEAST CONSENSUS TO BRING IT TO THE NEXT MEETING THOUGH, SO THAT THEY COULD PREPARE FOR THAT, THAT I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE.
FOR, FOR, FOR THE PURPOSES OF DISCUSSION, THIS MIGHT HELP WITH A, A LITTLE BIT OF FACILITATING WHAT COUNCIL'S LOOKING FOR.
UH, IF WE'RE MAKING CHANGES AT THIS KIND OF, UH, TIMEFRAME YEAH.
RIGHT NOW GOING INTO TO EVENTUALLY THE SEPTEMBER HEARINGS, THOSE ARE VERY SPECIFIC HEARINGS THAT HAVE TO BE DONE IN A VERY, VERY PARTICULAR MATTER.
UM, SO WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND DOING IS IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING OF THIS MAGNITUDE, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY INTERCHANGE WITH CONTINGENCY.
MEANING THAT IF THERE'S ANYTHING IN THE OPERATING BUDGET THAT WE NOT FIRST QUARTER, SECOND QUARTER, THIRD, AND WE WOULD'VE REALLOCATE AT THAT POINT.
AS LONG AS IT'S ON THE RADAR, YOU KNOW? YES.
I MEAN, I MEAN, BECAUSE IT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION AND, AND TO YOUR POINT, MR. LU, SO IN TERMS OF SALARIES, UH, IN THE EVENT THAT WE HAVE A POSITION THAT'S UNFILLED, JUST LIKE WE MENTIONED WITH, UH, NOT USING ALL OF THE TRAINING, EDUCATION, BUDGET MM-HMM
UH, RIGHT NOW, YOU'LL NOTICE IN YOUR, UH, PROPOSED BUDGET, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE SAFER GRANT FUNDED POSITIONS, THE ROUGHLY 1.2 MILLION, 1.3 MILLION, UH, DOLLARS, THAT'S THE ONLY CONTRIBUTION YOU'RE MAKING TO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN THAT IS NOT RELATED TO ROADS AND NOT RELATED TO THE EQUIPMENT THAT HAVE NOT BEEN DEFERRED.
SO WE TYPICALLY USE THOSE FUNDS TO FILL IN THE HOLES THE BUDGET HAS HAS CREATED.
SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE ONLY THING WE WE DO WITH THOSE FUNDS.
UH, IF WE WERE TO EVER GO LEANER, UM, AND SAY BALANCE THE BUDGET AT A, AT A LOWER AMOUNT AND NOT HAVE THOSE SAVINGS UN FUND THOSE POSITIONS, UH, YOU RUN INTO THE, THE SITUATION WHERE WE'RE GONNA WIND UP USING FUND BALANCE A LITTLE BIT MORE OFTEN AND POTENTIALLY IN WAYS THAT ARE STRUCTURALLY DEFICIENT.
AND I WOULD RECOMMEND AGAINST DOING SO.
IT'S LIKE DIP INTO THE RESERVE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN YES, SIR.
AND THAT JUST GOES AGAINST THE GRAIN OF COURSE.
SO I, I, I AGREE WITH HIS APPROACH, WHICH IS SORT OF THE BIG PICTURE ANALYSIS OF MM-HMM
AREAS WHERE WE ARE NOT USING FUNDING AND, AND THEN AS OPPOSED TO DOING A LINE ITEM, UH, LEVEL DETAIL TONIGHT.
BUT MY, MY QUESTION RELATED TO THAT ALSO WOULD BE, WHAT HAS THE CITY BEEN DOING TRADITIONALLY IF THERE HAS BEEN FUNDS? 'CAUSE FROM A MILITARY STANDPOINT, YOU KNOW, WE CALL IT THE FALLOUT FUNDS.
AND THEN THOSE, YOU KNOW, AND THAT WAS A GOOD QUESTION.
I SAID, AT WHAT POINT DO YOU DECIDE, WELL, WE'RE GONNA REALLOCATE THE BUDGET, SO CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND THAT PROCESS? SO, UH, BUDGET STAFF, UH, COMES QUARTERLY TO COUNCIL.
UH, IF YOU RECALL BACK ON THE MAY 13TH MEETING, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THE SECOND QUARTER BUDGET RESOLUTION WAS APPROVED THAT TOOK A LOT OF OUR TRANSITORY REVENUES THAT FAILED THE FUND BALANCE DURING THE TIME OF HIGH INFLATION AND HIGH ELECTRIC CRISIS.
UH, THAT ALLOWED US TO FUND SOME LONG-TERM UNFUNDED CAPITAL PROJECTS LIKE THE FIRE STATION, UH, AS WELL AS A NUMBER OF OTHER ITEMS THAT TYPICALLY WOULD FALL OUT OF THIS PROCESS BECAUSE OF A LACK OF DEDICATED FUNDING.
SO NOW GETTING BACK TO THE SPECIFIC PART OF THIS TO, FOR YOUR HELP TO END WITH THIS IS KIND OF IN TANDEM WITH, UH, COUNCILMAN LARS'S QUESTION.
SO YOU, WHEN YOU'RE SAYING CONTINGENT, DO YOU WANT US TO LIKE JUST GET A CONSENSUS THAT WE WOULD MOVE IT DOWN TO 10 AND THEN IT WOULD CHANGE LATER? OR WHAT? I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU WERE TRYING TO OH, SO, SO FOR INSTANCE, IF YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE A VERY SPECIFIC LINE ITEM TYPE RECOMMENDATION.
LET'S SAY IF YOU REMOVED 5,000 AS
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YOU RECOMMENDED SURE.WE WOULD DECREASE IT OUT OF THAT BUDGET INCREASE CONTINGENCY BY 5,000.
SO THAT WAY WE'RE NOT ADJUSTING THE PROPERTY TAX RATE.
OH, YOU WOULD SEND IT TO CONTINGENCY TO, TO BALANCE OH.
THEY'RE SAYING OUR VOTE WAS CONTINGENT ON, OH NO, I APOLOGIZE.
IT'S, IT'S A TERM IN, IN, UM, GOT IT.
FOR, FOR US IN TERMS OF, UH, UNPLANNED EVENTS THAT WE HAVE TO COVER.
UH, IF YOU TAKE FOR INSTANCE, IF THE CHILLER WERE TO FAIL TOMORROW SURE.
YOU KNOW, WE WOULD GO THROUGH AND WE'D HAVE TO USE, UH, CONTINGENCY FUNDS BEFORE WE WOULD TOUCH FUND BALANCE.
YEAH, I KNOW
I, I MEAN, SO I'VE GOT THREE SO FAR.
MR. SMITH, HOW DO YOU FEEL? I, I I, I AGREE WITH HIS APPROACH.
I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T AGREE WITH THAT, UH, MOVEMENT TONIGHT.
I WAS MUCH BIG PICTURE APPROACH.
I I, I HAVE A LITTLE CONCERN HERE.
I JUST WANNA CLARIFY WITH ROSS AND ALSO WITH COUNSEL, IF, IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO DO IS TO REDUCE DIFFERENT LINE ITEMS, YOU FOUND AREAS IN THE BUDGET THAT, THAT, THAT'S INFORMATION THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL FOR STAFF NOW, VERY MUCH FOR US TO KNOW.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, MORE, MORE HELPFUL AT THIS MEETING.
BECAUSE THIS IS THE WORKSHOP AND THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE PLACE TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THAT STUFF.
SOME OF THE STUFF WE MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO ADDRESS TONIGHT, BUT SOME OF, YOU KNOW, LIKE SOMETHING ABOUT REDUCING A LINE ITEM BY 5,000 OR MOVING MONEY FROM ONE PROJECT TO ANOTHER PROJECT.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS DEFINITELY TO BE DISCUSSED TONIGHT.
SO DOES THAT CHANGE YOUR OPINION, MR. SMITH? AND THEN WE'LL GO TO MR. LARUSSO? MY OPINION STILL WOULD BE, I WOULD RATHER SEE THE LIST AS OPPOSED TO GOING LINE BY LINE.
WELL, OH, WELL I'M NOT GOING LINE, BUT I JUST HAD ONE YES.
THAT WAS A, THAT WAS A LITTLE, UM, AND THEN MR. LARUSSO, WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHT? UM, I, AGAIN, I, I THINK THAT EACH ONE OF US HAVE, UH, EACH ONE OF US HAVE LOOKED AT THIS BUDGET OVER MANY TIMES AND WE HAVE LINE ITEMS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, RED LINE OR, OR UH, ADD OR SUBTRACT.
UH, AND THOSE LINE ITEMS. I MEAN, I HATE TO ASK YOU HOW MANY LINE ITEMS ARE IN OUR CITY? 1 MILLION.
344,000? IT DEPENDS ON IF I, IF I RUN IT OPEN, IT'S PROBABLY OVER 15,000.
SO 15,000 LINE ITEMS THAT EACH ONE OF US ARE PICKING.
I MEAN, WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE.
SO IF THE COURSE OF ACTION IS GOING TO BE THE WAY THAT, UH, CITY MANAGER SAYS DO IT TONIGHT, ALL 15 ON MY SIDE, ALL 10 ON HIS SIDE, ALL 20 ON HIS SIDE, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE PREFERRING THAT WE DO TONIGHT? EACH LINE ITEM THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED AND ALREADY TALKED ABOUT IN OUR BUDGET IN GENERAL.
ONE OH ONES IN A GENERAL SENSE, YES.
I MEAN, MAYBE NOT TO THE LEVEL OF, UH, YOU KNOW, TAKING A THOUSAND FROM HERE AND PUTTING IT THERE, BUT IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT DO NOT MATERIALLY AGREE WITH WHAT YOU HAVE SEEN IN THE BUDGET, WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THAT INPUT SO THAT WE COULD KIND OF ADJUST IT TO MEET WHAT COUNCIL WILL HAVE A CONSENSUS ON.
SO AS AN EXAMPLE, IF THERE WERE, UH, YOU KNOW, IN THE MILIT RATES, THIS IS THE EASIEST OPTION.
SO IF YOU DECIDED THAT 4 MILLION FOR ROADS WAS INSUFFICIENT IN YOUR OPINION AND YOU WANTED TO BUMP IT TO FIVE, YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO STAFF AND YOUR CONSENSUS, YOU WOULD HOPEFULLY RECEIVE FROM THE REST OF, UH, OF, OF, UH, THE BODY WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE ON ROADS, I'D LIKE TO SEE STAFF PREPARE THIS WITH MORE ON ROADS, SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.
AND, AND I THINK THAT MIGHT BE THE EASIEST WAY TO FACILITATE THIS DISCUSSION IN THIS KIND OF FORUM.
ALRIGHT, SO, SO MS. LARISSA WITH THAT, WITH THAT, I'M GONNA RE, RE UH, RETRACT MY, MY, UH, UM, SUGGESTION BECAUSE APPARENTLY IT DOESN'T GO WITH THE, WITH THE PROCESS OF WHAT OUR STAFF NEEDS.
SO I MEAN, I WAS LOOKING FORWARD THE GRAND PICTURE SO THAT EACH ONE OF US COME TO THE TABLE WITH IT SO IT WOULD BE MORE EFFICIENT AND MORE, UM, UH, MORE EFFICIENT, UH, MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS.
BUT APPARENTLY THAT'S NOT THE WAY TO GO.
SO LINE BY LINE ITEM BY LINE ITEM.
WELL, NO, ARE YOU REFER THAT PARTICULAR LINE ITEM REDUCING FOR ABOUT YOUR LINE ON IT.
BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE THREE.
WE'RE GOING LINE BY LINE ON IT.
WELL, OH NO, THAT, CAN WE, NO, I DON'T THINK I'M GETTING CONFUSED ON THIS.
I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA BE REAL WITH YOU.
I DON'T THINK YOU GUYS HAVE LINE BY LINE ON ANYTHING RIGHT HERE.
I, I THINK THAT I WAS GIVING AN EXAMPLE OF ONE AND THEN WE'RE GONNA GO INTO THE CRA THAT I WANTED TO SUGGEST NEXT.
I WAS BRINGING MY HOMEWORK OF WHAT I THOUGHT MIGHT BE GOOD FOR THE STUDY MOVING FORWARD.
IF WE DON'T BRING IT UP TONIGHT, WHEN WOULD WE BRING IT UP? THAT'S MY, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE WOULD'VE TO BRING IT UP TO THEM SO THEY COULD MOVE FORWARD FOR, UH, THE NEXT WORKSHOP, UM, AND PREPARE WITH THIS CORPORATE IDENTIFYING IT FOR THE FIRST, SECOND, THIRD QUARTER BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO THAT WE, SO, SO, SO VICE MAYOR, JUST HELP ME UNDERSTAND.
SO TONIGHT IT WOULD BE, THIS IS THE COURSE OF ACTION, THIS IS NOT THE ANALYSIS.
AND THEY WOULD GIVE YOU WHAT IT, THEY WOULD GIVE YOU A FEEDBACK ON THAT OF WHAT THE DIFFERENT, IF THERE IS A CHANGE IN THE BUDGET, WHAT THAT IS AT THE NEXT MEETING FOR US TO DISCUSS ON OUR CONTINUAL APPROVAL PROCESS.
BUT RIGHT NOW WE WOULD BE MOTIONING TO ADJUST, UH, PORTIONS OF THE BUDGET OR MOVE.
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YES.UH, ADAM, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? JUST NOT, NOT A MOTION.
'CAUSE THIS PORTION, OH, NOT A MOTION.
WE'D BE, WE'D BE HAVING CONSENSUS TO, TO GIVE STAFF CITY MANAGER AND THE FINANCE DIRECTOR LOOKING FOR CONSENSUS IN GENERAL DIRECTION ON.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT SHOULD THIS PROPOSED BUDGET LOOK LIKE? IS IT IS BROUGHT BACK TO YOU IN SEPTEMBER? SO, AND AGAIN, I, THE ONLY LINE IN MY HEAD WAS AGAINST OUR BUDGET.
I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD MICROMANAGE THESE GUYS, BUT I DO THINK THAT WE CAN MICROMANAGE OURSELVES.
I I WOULD SAY JUST LEAVE IT THERE BECAUSE IT WILL BE PUSHED OUT TO, YOU KNOW, JUST IF WE NEED IT FOR SOMETHING, SOMETHING COMES UP, THINGS CHANGE.
WELL, APPARENTLY IT DOESN'T GO TO CONTINGENCY.
IT GOES TO, IT GOES TO CAPITAL.
AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HAVING IT GO TO CONTINGENCY IN CASE THE CHILLER GOES OUT OR SOMETHING.
SO, SO YOUR, YOUR FUND, IF, IF YOU WENT TO THE, YOUR, YOUR FUND BALANCE POLICY BASICALLY STATES THAT ANYTHING THAT'S IN FUND BALANCE THAT'S ABOVE YOUR RESERVE REQUIREMENTS, THE PRUDENT USE IS ONE TIME CAPITAL.
UH, MEANING THAT WE'RE NOT COMMITTING OURSELVES TO A RECURRING COST WITH ONE-TIME FUNDS.
UM, UH, IN THIS, IN THIS SITUATION WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AT THIS LEVEL, UH, IN TERMS OF, IF, IF YOU WERE TO MAKE THE MOTION TO REMOVE 5,000 FROM YOUR TRAINING AND EDUCATION BUDGET, MY RESPONSE TO YOU WOULD BE, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, GIVEN UH, THE DEADLINES THAT WE LOOK AT AS STAFF MM-HMM.
I WOULD JUST DECREASE THAT LINE IN YOUR BUDGET.
INCREASE CONTINGENCY, WHICH IS THE OPERATING CONTINGENCY, UH, WHICH WE USE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR TO MAKE SURE THAT DEPARTMENTS DON'T GO OVER BUDGET WITHOUT PROPER JUSTIFICATION.
I DON'T HAVE MY BOOK IN FRONT OF ME 'CAUSE I LEFT IT IN THE CAR, BUT, UM, I'M JUST, WHERE'S THE, WHERE'S OUR, OH, YOU WANT 1 65 AND IT'S THE, IT'S THE LAST ITEM ON 1 65 TRAINING AND EDUCATION.
AND WE CURRENTLY HAVE SPENT 3,915 AND THERE'S 15,000 IN THE BUDGET.
IT WON'T EVEN BE A HUGE HIT IF YOU ONLY SEE FIVE FROM IT.
WE'RE STILL PUTTING IN 10,000.
IT'S NOT TO ME THAT WE'RE, YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, 300 OR HOW MANY MILLIONS OF IT WAS ALMOST THREE.
THIS IS JUST GIVING, THIS WAS A LITTLE EXAMPLE.
BUT IT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN MICROMANAGE.
TO ME THAT'S MICRO IS AN ACCOUNTANT.
THAT'S IT'S US, I MEAN, IS ON THE WHOLE PICTURE OF THINGS.
THAT'S JUST NOT ENOUGH TO WORRY ABOUT.
BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION AS WE, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE SAY $10,000 OR $5,000.
WE, YOU'RE GONNA GO THROUGH THAT.
SO WHAT WE DON'T USE IT, IT GOES OVER TO THE, YOU SAID CAPITAL PROJECT.
IF WE DON'T USE IT TO CAPITAL PROJECT, JUST LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS.
'CAUSE WE NEED IT IN CAPITAL PROJECT.
IF WE DON'T USE IT, LET'S LEAVE.
'CAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS SOMETHING.
THERE'S UM, WELL, AND WE WERE SAYING IF THERE'S AN EMERGENCY, YOU COULD USE THIS MONEY IN EMERGENCY.
THEY CAN'T USE AN EMERGENCY CURRENTLY THIS 5,000 IT WOULD GO TO CAPITAL PROJECTS.
BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE DON'T HAVE OTHER FUNDS THAT CAN GO INTO EMERGENCY.
OH NO, BUT THAT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST OUR, BUT YOU'RE MA YOU'RE MICROMANAGING SOMETHING AS SOMEBODY THAT'S DONE A BUDGET BEFORE PERSONALLY DON'T, VEN AND ROSS'S POSITION, I THINK YOU'RE MICROMANAGING THESE THINGS OVER, OVER A WHOLE LOT OF NOTHING.
AND IT'S A LOT OF, FOR $10,000, SAY 5,000, $10,000.
I'D RATHER BE ABLE TO, THERE'S OTHER FUNDS THAT CAN BE MOVED AROUND IF IT WAS A CONTINGENCY FUND.
NOW, IF IT WAS REALLY AN EMERGENCY EMERGENCY, WE, HE CAN COME TO US AND SAY, YES, WE ALLOW THAT.
WE, ANYTIME THAT WE ARE REQUIRING TO FIND FUNDING FOR A SPECIFIC THINK HAS TO CUT OUR BUDGET.
DO YOU, WHAT IS THE GOAL THAT THEY'RE GONNA FEEL TO SAY, HEY, CAN YOU GUYS TAKE $5,000 OUT OF YOUR CITY COUNCIL BUDGET TO DO THIS? THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT.
YEAH, SOMETIMES THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT.
I'M SORRY THAT, THAT IS AN UNFORTUNATE POSITION FOR THEM, THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT.
THAT'S NOT, BUT IF WE DON'T USE IT, IF WE USE, IF WE DON'T USE IT ROLLS OVER.
WELL, IT ROLLS OVER TO CAPITAL INSTEAD OF CONTINGENCY.
SO LET ME SAY THIS VICE MAYOR.
THAT'S, I MEAN I'M, I'M, I'M LISTENING TO YOU.
DO YOU WANNA GO? YEAH, YOU BEFORE YOU WELL AHEAD.
BECAUSE I, AS SOON AS HE WAS ABOUT TO FINALIZE IT.
SO I GO BEFORE WHAT? SO AS I VICE MAYOR, SO AS I LOOK AT 2023 AND 2024, I SEE THE AMOUNTS WERE WHAT, 8,474.
AND THEN THEY DID A, ADOPTED A BUDGET AMOUNT.
SO I'M, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I WOULD HAVE IS WHY WE ONLY AT 3,915 VERSUS 8,474? WE'RE NOT USING IT PREVIOUS YEARS.
BUT I, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TALKING.
THAT'S, I'M, SO I THINK IT'S A VALID POINT.
I THINK, AGAIN, UH, LEADING BY EXAMPLE, IF HISTORICALLY WE'VE USED ONLY, I'M GONNA ROUND IT OUT FOUR GRAND EVERY YEAR FOR TRAINING AND EDUCATION.
THEN IF THAT'S A CONSISTENT NUMBER, UH, WHICH I'M SURE KEVIN WILL CHIME
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IN ANY MOMENT NOW.WELL, IT'S SEVEN, 7,000 TO 8,000 IS ABOUT IT.
BUT JENNY'S GOT A, AND TO FINISH OFF JUST FOR A SECOND FINISH OFF, IS THAT IF WE FALL SHORT, THERE'S ALWAYS AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO BACK AND BRING THE MONEY BACK IN.
SO IT'S SIX OR ONE AND HALF DOZEN.
ANYWAY, OTHER YOU CAN SAY A CITIES CONFERENCE HAS NOT HIT THIS WELL, WHAT IS IN THIS BUDGET BOOK.
AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S QUITE A FEW OF YOU THAT ARE LOOKING TO GO TO THAT AND ALSO TO GO TO THE CHAMBER.
AND SO I THINK THAT PROBABLY SHOWS UP IN THAT TRAINING AND EDUCATION NUMBER TO GET US UP A LITTLE HIGHER.
SO WE DO HAVE SOME LATER IN THE YEAR EXPENDITURES.
KEVIN CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M OKAY.
UM, JUST SOME HISTORICAL DATA.
I SEE WHAT WE'VE BUDGETED IN THE PAST.
HAVE WE EVER GONE OVER WHAT WE'VE BUDGETED IN THIS LINE ITEM THAT WE KNOW OF? OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD FROM THE, UM, TRAVEL THAT YOU ALL GO TO, IT'S, IT, IT, AS THE CITY MANAGER SAID, IT FLUCTUATES, RIGHT.
BECAUSE SOME COUNCILS TRAVEL, OTHERS DON'T.
UM, IF WE HAVE GONE OVER, WE'VE DONE SLIGHT BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS, BUT IT'S NOT BEEN ANY NUMBER THAT'S BEEN SIGNIFICANTLY OVER WHAT'S, THAT'S WHY THAT 15,000 SORT OF IS WHAT'S SUGGESTED EVERY YEAR BECAUSE WE'VE HIT THAT SOME YEARS, GONE OVER A LITTLE BIT, SOME YEARS GONE WAY UNDER OTHER YEARS.
AND THAT'S KIND OF THE AVERAGE DEPENDS ON THE TRAVEL NEEDS OF THE COUNCIL AT THE TIME.
WELL, I GUESS THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING.
IS THIS AN INFLATION IN, IN THIS LINE ITEM? UM, JUST IN CASE OR, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY FOR LIKE THE HISTORICAL, UM, TRAVEL FOR THIS COUNCIL HERE.
IT DOESN'T, IT SEEMS LIKE THIS IS A LITTLE EXCESSIVE.
THE MAIN THING THAT WE BUDGET FOR IN THAT LINE ITEM IS THE FLORIDA LEGAL CITY'S ANNUAL CONFERENCE.
AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, THE COST OF THAT GOES UP EVERY YEAR.
IT'S NEARLY $1,800 FOR A PERSON TO GO.
SO IF FIVE OR SIX OF YOU GO, WE'RE AT $10,000.
AND NOW THE UM, CHAMBER LEADERSHIP RETREAT IS A NEWER EVENT THAT'S BEEN GOING AND TWO OR THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE GOING EACH YEAR.
AND THOSE ARE BASICALLY THE TWO ITEMS THAT TYPICALLY COME FROM THIS LINE ITEM.
ANOTHER 25 3000, ANOTHER 3,500, 3000, YOU KNOW, ON, ON THE LEADERSHIP GROUP.
BUT AGAIN, WE GOING HISTORICAL, I WENT BACK TO 2022.
UH, 'CAUSE I HAD THAT BUDGET BOOK AND WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T GONE OVER 10.
BUT 2022 NOBODY TRAVELED BECAUSE NOBODY REALLY TRAVELED BECAUSE OF COVID.
SO YOU CAN'T USE THAT, THAT THOSE NUMBERS.
WE GOT 23 AND 24, WHICH WE ALSO CAN SAY WE DID NOT COVER 10.
BUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE, BUT YOU HAVE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS, NEW THINGS GOING ON, THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN HERE, UM, THERE'S DIFFERENT LEADERSHIP THINGS.
SO I, I SAY JUST LEAVE IT THERE.
WELL, WE'RE, WELL I'M ALMOST READY TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE.
'CAUSE THAT DOES SOUNDS LIKE, YEAH.
THAT WAS MY, MY FINAL POINT OF ANALYSIS.
BUT I SO YOU'RE STILL A NO OR YOU'RE A YES.
NO, I'M, I'M STILL A NO, BECAUSE I MUCH RATHER MR. RISSO, YOU HAD ASSESS, YOU KNOW, UH, WITH THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO, UH, SHIFT MIDSTREAM WITH THE BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS AND NOT KNOWING WHAT'S COMING DOWN THE PIKE AND KNOWING THAT EVERYTHING IS INCREASED.
IF WE LOOK AT THE ONE THING THAT ROSS HAS SAID OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE LOOKS LIKE FOR US, BOTH TARIFFS AND EVERYTHING ELSE IN INVOLVED.
NOW, DO I WANNA PUT THAT 5,000 BACK INTO WHERE HE CAN GRAB IT, YOU KNOW? OF COURSE.
BUT IF I GIVE IT TO 'EM MM-HMM
CAN WE GRAB IT BACK BECAUSE ALL OF A SUDDEN EVERYTHING IS ESCALATED.
I GUESS, YOU KNOW, ON THIS ONE PARTICULAR LINE ITEM ONE EXAMPLE ONE YOU GUESS, I MEAN, IF WE HAD TO DO AN ADJUSTMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? NO, NO.
I MEAN, TO ACCOMMODATE, TO ACCOMMODATE OTHER, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS TO, TO TRAVEL OR TO TRAIN OR BE EDUCATED IN, IN WHATEVER SHAPE OR FORM, UH, WE HAVE THAT ABILITY TO BRING IT BACK.
UM, BUT I WANNA KEEP A, A REAL TIGHT REIN ON THAT.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T BELIEVE IN THE LEADERSHIP CONFERENCE.
AND THAT'S 900 BUCKS A PIECE, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY.
YOU KNOW, AND SO THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES, SOMETIMES IT GOES, SOMETIMES I DON'T, DEPENDS UPON WHETHER I GOTTA GO TO ETHICS TRAINING, WHICH IS EVERY YEAR, OF COURSE.
AND IT LOOKS AT, AND THEN LOOK AT THE, THE, THE WORKSHOPS.
DO I WANT TO GO TO ORLANDO? DO I WANT TO GO TO MIAMI AND GO TO A WORKSHOP FOR TWO HOURS AND HANG OUT FOR A DAY AND THEN COME BACK AND GO TO ANOTHER WORKSHOP IN THE AFTERNOON FOR TWO HOURS? SO IT'S ALL, YOU KNOW, CONTINGENT ON WHAT YOU FEEL THAT YOU SHOULD DO FOR THE CITY TO PROPERLY PERFORM YOUR JOB.
SO WE GOT 4, 4, 4, 4 IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
DO YOU GUYS DO, HOW DO I, ADAM OR ROSS, HOW DO I SEND ALL THIS OVER TO YOU? THAT'S FINE.
OR DID YOU GUYS, THE DIRECTION THAT'S CONSENSUS IS FINE.
I JUST DUNNO IF WE NEED ANYTHING.
I'M JUST SAYING NO, IF IT, UH, WHAT YOU DID SHOULD WORK JUST FINE.
AS LONG AS ADAM HAS NO LEGAL REASONS TO DO IT OTHERWISE.
SO NOW THE, THE ONLY OTHER PAGE I HAVE IS ON PAGE 1 53.
WE HAVE, SO THIS WOULD BE THE DOWNTOWN REDEVELOPMENT.
SO PAGE 1 53 IS THE DOWNTOWN CRA.
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WE ARE FUNDING, UH, A BRIDGE.IT'S ITEM NUMBER SIX ON PRIORITIES.
IT'S BEEN PUNTED TO FIVE YEARS OUT, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, FOR QUITE SOME TIME FOR A BRIDGE THAT CROSSES CRANE CREEK MORE THAN THAT.
AND FOR, AND SO WE HAVE $440,000 IN A FUND FOR THAT.
AND WE HAVE PROJECTED OUT, WHICH WILL PROBABLY, IF THIS PASSES, IT WOULD, UH, IF IF THIS BUDGET AS IS PASSES, IT'LL PROBABLY END UP ON THE FISCAL YEAR 31 AND FISCAL YEAR 32 AND FISCAL 33.
IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S BEING PUNTED AND WE COULD USE THIS MONEY, UH, TO GO TOWARDS OUR HOLMES PARK PROJECT OR DOWNTOWN STREETSCAPE IF WE CUT IT.
SO THIS HAVE BEEN PROJECTED FROM FOLKS IN THE DEVELOPMENT WORLD, UM, AND NO DOWNTOWN THAT IT'S PROBABLY OVER $7 MILLION IF WE ACTUALLY TRY TO FUND THIS PROJECT RIGHT NOW, OR DOWN THE ROAD, 5, 10, 15, WHATEVER THAT'S GONNA TAKE.
I JUST THINK IT'S A CAN THAT'S BEING KICKED AND THAT WE COULD REMOVE THAT AND USE THOSE FUNDS TO HELP REALLY GET OUR DOWNTOWN MOVING WITH THE CRA FUNDS.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHEN, UM, IT WAS JUST BEFORE YOUR TIME.
CINDY WOULD KNOW BETTER WHEN DR. HINES BUILT THE BACK CENTER.
AND THEN, SO THAT WAS THE ARGUMENT.
DO WE HAVE THE, UH, PATINE BRIDGE DOWN THERE AND THEN THE BOARDWALK HAD TO BE BUILT, UH, YOU KNOW, DOWN AND AROUND AND COMING ACROSS THERE AND THEN COMING DOWN ACROSS CRANE CREEK BRIDGE.
SO IT WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, CONTIGUOUS ALL THE WAY AROUND TO, TO THE BRIDGE.
SO AT THE BEGINNING WE STARTED WITH A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS.
JOHN'S WATER MANAGEMENT AND ALL THE FEES AND ALL THE DIFFERENT AGENCIES THAT WE GOTTA GO THROUGH.
NOTHING HAS HAPPENED SINCE I, I'M GONNA GUESS 2006.
CINDY, I MEAN, I, I'M JUST KNEE JERKING.
THAT'S WHEN HE CAME TO, FOR, FOR, FOR REFERENCE.
THAT PROJECT NUMBER THERE IS TEN FIVE TWELVE.
THE LAST TWO DIGITS WOULD INDICATE WE PUT THIS INTO THE CIP IN 2012.
WELL, I REMEMBER TALKING ABOUT IT 2006 AND I REMEMBER HARRY GOOD SAYING I WANT THAT MONEY IN THERE.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKED.
WHAT HAPPENS IN YOUR CIP OR, YOU KNOW, YOU ARE THE MASTER OF THIS.
I'M JUST GIVING YOU INFORMATION THAT I'VE LIVED WITH FOR THE PAST HOWEVER MANY YEARS.
SO TO YOUR POINT, I STILL HAVE NOT SEEN ANYTHING JUST LIKE LINEAR PARK.
HOW MANY, HOW MUCH DO WE HAVE IN LINEAR PARK RIGHT NOW? I THINK WE TOOK THE TWO, UH, THE QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS AND, AND PLANTED IT SOMEPLACE ELSE.
I THINK WE, UH, JUST PUT IT ON THE SHELF AND KEPT IT AVAILABLE IF WE WANTED TO FUND IT.
IS THAT HOW THAT WORKED? LINEAR PARK IS CURRENTLY FUNDED OUT OF YOUR REC, UH, RECREATION IMPACT FEES.
SO IT IS AN EXISTING PROJECT THAT HAS A COMMITMENT WITHIN THAT FUND, BUT WE HAVE NOT ACTIVELY SPENT ON IT SINCE, UH, I BELIEVE I SAW AN EMAIL AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT JENNY, YOU WERE GONNA CHIME IN ON WITH.
I WAS, I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT DATE.
BUT IT'S THE, AS WE CAN OBTAIN PARCELS MM-HMM
WE WILL SPEND MONEY OUT OF THAT.
OH, I KNOW IT'S TO PURCHASE IT, BUT IT'S, IT'S A SLOW PROCESS.
HIRES WON'T GIVE UP AS LAND FOR LESS THAN A MILLION DOLLARS.
I MEAN, WE KNOW THE GAME THAT, THAT, THAT ALL THE LANDOWNERS ARE PLAYING THERE ACROSS THE STREET.
WE, WHEN IT'S, AND NOT IN OUR GENERATION ANYWAY.
I DON'T THINK SO ANYWAY, TO YOUR POINT, AND AGAIN, I'M GOING SIDEWAYS.
SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT, UH, ISSUES LIKE THAT.
THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE, LINEAR PARK THAT, YOU KNOW, SUCKS UP, YOU KNOW, OUR ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO MANEUVER AND, UH, CORRECT OURSELVES AS WE GO FORWARD.
SO I'M FOR OKAY, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE, LET'S PUT IT ON THE BACK SHELF AND LET'S TAKE THE MONEY OUT OF THERE AND LET'S SEND IT SOMEPLACE ELSE.
AND IT'S YOUR DISTRICT, RIGHT? IT'S YOUR PEOPLE.
YOU UNDERSTAND THEM BETTER THAN ANYBODY.
I I, I THOUGHT THAT IF ANYONE COULD CUT THIS PARTICULARLY, I I SHOULD BE THE ONE TO DO IT.
SO, ALRIGHT, MR. SMITH, AND THEN WE'LL GO OVER THIS WAY.
SO, SO VICE MAYOR, AS YOU, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT BRIDGE IS, UH, A VERY, UH, EMOTIONAL, UH, HOT POINT.
AND, UH, SO I'M NOT GONNA, I'M NOT GONNA SUPPORT CUTTING THE FUNDS OUT IF THERE ARE OTHER PROJECTS.
DO YOU PARTIC DO YOU, DO YOU BELIEVE IN THE NEXT FOUR TO EIGHT YEARS WE'LL HAVE THAT BRIDGE DONE DURING YOUR TIME ON HERE? MY, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT THE QUESTION.
NO, I'M JUST ASKING YOU PERSONALLY.
SO THE, A DIFFERENT QUESTION WOULD BE WHY HAS IT NOT BEEN MOVED SINCE 2012? THAT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT QUESTION BECAUSE, UH, I WOULD NOT, I MEAN, I, I ATTEND DOWNTOWN CRA MEETINGS.
UM, I DO A LOT OF COMMUNITY EVENTS TO YOUR, I I DON'T KNOW IF THE TIMEFRAME WILL BE DONE IN THE NEXT FOUR OR FIVE YEARS, BUT I WOULD NOT WANT TO REMOVE THIS AND I WOULD WANT TO ACTUALLY TRY TO FIGURE OUT WAYS TO, TO MAKE IT HAPPEN IN CONJUNCTION WITH HOLMES PARK.
SO I WOULD, I MEAN, I HAVE NOT STUDIED THE BUDGET TO SEE WHAT OTHER AREAS, I'M JUST A LINEAR PART.
I THINK THAT'S THE ONE RELATED TO, UH, MARGARITAVILLE, IS THAT NO, WELL, THIS SAME AREA, BUT DIFFERENT IS, THIS IS CRANE CREEK FROM FRONT STREET PARK ACROSS TO THE BACK CENTER.
THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
NO, I KNOW THE BRIDGE, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT THE LINEAR PARK.
LINEAR PARK IS FROM A GALL TO, TO 1 92.
I MEAN, IT'S A A HUNDRED MILE, YOU KNOW, BOARDWALK.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO, SO I KNOW.
NO, I KNOW THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE.
I KNOW WHAT PROSPECT, I KNOW WHERE, WHERE IT'S GONNA GO IN THE BIN.
AND WHERE IT'S SUPPOSED TO COME ACROSS.
AND I, AND I SAW THE DIVISION WHERE IT WOULD COME ACROSS TWO HOMES PARK, UH, TO COME ACROSS
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CRAN CREEK.SO I WOULD LIKE TO, I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND CUTTING THE FUNDS HERE.
I WOULD WANT TO SEE HOW THIS COULD BE DONE IN CONJUNCTION WITH HOLMES PARK.
BECAUSE IF, IF THIS ITEM, UH, YOU KNOW, AND, AND IT'S NOT, YOU SAY KNOWING THE PEOPLE IN DISTRICT THREE, UH, THIS ITEM WOULD, IF IT'S CUT HERE, THERE WOULD BE DEFINITELY SOME, SOME CLAMORING IN THE, IN THE COMMUNITY FOR, AND I JUST, GIVEN THE PHYSICAL CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE, I JUST DON'T SEE, WE'RE GONNA FIND 7 MILLION TO DO IT, UH, GOING DOWN THIS WAY.
ANY THOUGHTS ON THE BRIDGE, JULIE? SO CAN YOU JUST RESTATE? YEAH.
DO YOU WANT TO TAKE THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE OUT? TAKE IT OUT OF THE BUDGET? IT'S BEEN PUNTED SINCE 2012.
SO RIGHT NOW IT'S BEING, UM, FUNDED FOR FISCAL YEAR 2029, IF I'M LOOKING AT THIS CORRECTLY, RIGHT.
AND LAST YEAR IT WAS FOR, FOR, IT WAS, IT KEEPS, THEY JUST KEEP MOVING.
THEN THEY JUST KEEP PUSHING THAT ALONG.
SO NEXT YEAR WHEN WE GET OUR BOOK, MOST LIKELY THAT 500,000 WILL SAY FISCAL YEAR 30, AND THEN 31 WILL SAY 2 MILLION.
SO YOU WANNA TAKE THAT OUT, JUST TAKE THE LINE ITEM OUT AND THEN WE GET $440,000 TO GO BACK IN THE C RCRA TOWARDS HOME PARKING.
WHERE ARE WE GETTING 440,000? THAT, THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE FUND CURRENTLY.
IT'S NOT, THAT'S THE PIECE I WAS MISSING.
MIMI, I DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WE, WHEN WE HAD THE OTHER PEOPLE THAT WERE HERE JUST LAST WEEK, AND THEY WERE LIKE LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT BRIDGE, AND THEN YOU'RE HAVING THE NEW APARTMENTS GOING UP THERE AND GOING BACK AND FORTH, NOT ONLY HELPING US HERE ON THIS SIDE OF THE BRIDGE OF THE CREAM CREEK, BUT WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN? WHAT'S THE DEVELOPMENT OVER ON THE OTHER SIDE THAT WE COULD HAVE? WELL, WELL, THAT WOULD GO RIGHT INTO, UM, ST.
OH, NO, NO, I'M, NO, I'M JUST, I'M PUTTING A LINE FOR EVERYBODY, BUT, BUT I MEAN, IT'S NOT GONNA BE RIGHT THERE.
THAT'S A, IT'S A LITTLE HOUSING.
IT'S WELL TAKEN CARE OF EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO, I MEAN, THERE'S NOTHING WITH THE AREA.
NO, I JUST THINK THAT WE'RE NOT FUNDING IT, I THINK, BUT I JUST THINK THAT YES, IT'S BEEN KICKED DOWN AND WE'VE HAD OTHER THINGS KICKED DOWN.
I MEAN, I LOOK AT, THERE'S A ROAD, UM, APOLLO ROAD GOING PAST SARNO GOING TO OGA BOULEVARD.
GOD, THAT HAD TO BE 20 YEARS IF NOT MORE, IF NOT MORE.
AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT HAD TO BE DONE.
SO, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE SAYING, WELL, IT'S NOT GONNA BE DONE RIGHT THIS SECOND.
AND THEN, I MEAN, THE, THE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT ROAD RIGHT THERE, PEOPLE LOOK AT IT GOING, I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT WASN'T DONE YEARS AGO.
I LOOK AT, UM, OGA BOULEVARD STOPPED AT CROTON ROAD, I THINK, YEAH, CROTON ROAD.
IT STOPPED AT CROTON ROAD FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS.
SO YOU'RE LIKE, WELL, IT'S NOT GONNA BE DONE THIS YEAR AND NOT GONNA BE DONE THAT YEAR.
CROTON ROAD STOPPED THERE FOR PROBABLY 40, 50 YEARS AND THEN GOT THE FUND, YOU KNOW, BUT YOU KEEP GOT TO PUT A LITTLE PIECE HERE AND A LITTLE PIECE THERE.
SO, I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT, THAT WAS THE LONG TERM PROJECT THERE.
JENNY, WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT? WELL, OH WAIT, WAS IT, UH, JULIE, DID YOU, WHAT WERE YOU POINTING AT JENNY? JUST JENNY, GO AHEAD.
I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THE ACTUAL TRANSFER OF THE EXISTING FUNDS INTO ANOTHER PROJECT WILL NOT, DOES NOT NECESSARILY OCCUR AS PART OF THE BUDGET HERE.
THAT WOULD BE A BUDGET TRANSFER, A BUDGET ADJUSTMENT.
AND I'M JUST THINKING AS WE'RE TALKING THAT THIS, PUT MY GLASSES ON TO SEE THIS 500,000 THAT'S SLATED FOR FISCAL YEAR 29, IT'S GONNA TAKE 750 TO A MILLION DOLLARS BY THE TIME WE GET TO IT AS WE'RE KICKING IT DOWN THE LINE.
AND THAT FOUR HUNDRED AND FOUR FOUR FOUR FORTY, YEP.
A THOUSAND DOLLARS IS JUST BURNING A HOLE IN THE BUDGET RIGHT NOW DOING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
BUT ARE WE PUTTING THAT MONEY AWAY AND GETTING FOUR OR 5%? NO, APPARENTLY WE ONLY PUT A HALF MILLION IN SOURCE.
WHAT I'M SAYING, SO IT'S BETTER SAYING IT'S NOT, WE DON'T ALLOCATE TO A PROJECT ON OUR, ON, ON THAT TYPE OF BASIS, TYPICALLY.
I THOUGHT MAYBE YOU SIT IT OVER THERE AND LET IT, YOU KNOW, EARN IT LINE.
WE TYPICALLY ADD THROUGH THE CIP PROCESS EACH YEAR WHEN IT'S, WHEN IT'S AVAILABLE.
BUT JUST AS AN EXAMPLE FOR THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT, IF WE FOUND THAT THE DOWNTOWN CORE STREET STREET SCAPE WAS PROHIBITIVELY EXPENSIVE AND THAT 440,000 MIGHT MAKE A DENT IN MAKING IT MORE PALATABLE IN TERMS OF EITHER THE DEBT THAT WE ISSUE TO ACCOMPANY IT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, UH, I WOULD REMOVE THE FUNDS OUT OF THAT PROJECT, REPLACE WITH A, LIKE, FUTURE BOND PROCEED TYPE REVENUE TO KEEP THE PROJECT OPEN, BUT NOT NECESSARILY ACTIVELY MOVING FORWARD.
SO VICE MAYOR, THAT, THAT'S MY POINT.
WE, BECAUSE WHAT I'M HEARING FROM YOU IS WE'RE CLOSING THE PROJECT, UH, THE POINT THAT HE JUST MADE, BECAUSE WE DO NOT WANT TO, I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND THAT WE CLOSE THIS PROJECT.
I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT IS, IS HOMES PART MORE A HIGHER PRIORITY THAN, THAN, WELL, WE'RE NOT PICKING A WHERE IT'S GOING.
BUT WE, BUT YOU JUST, 'CAUSE IT GOES BACK TO THE CRA AND STAFF FIGURES THAT OUT.
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FAR AS IF WE REMOVE THE FUNDS ARE REMOVED, IS THAT CLOSING THE PROJECT? IS IT COME OFF OF THE RADAR COMPLETELY? THAT WOULD BE, SO TYPICALLY WHAT WE DO WITH CLOSING PROJECTS IS WE GET COUNCIL, WE'LL BRING IT, UH, I THINK WE DO IT OUTSIDE OF RESOLUTION, BUT USUALLY WE'LL HAVE A RESOLUTION AT A, AT A COUNCIL MEETING THAT SAYS IN ADMINISTRATIVE BUDGET ADJUSTMENT.OR FORGIVE ME, IF, IF IT'S ALTERING THE OVERALL FUND, UH, REVENUE AND EXPENDITURES, WE DO BRING A RESOLUTION.
IF IT DOESN'T, WE COULD ADMINISTRATIVELY CANCEL THAT PROJECT.
BUT WE DO NOTIFY COUNSEL OF THE CANCELLATION OF THAT PROJECT.
BUT, BUT THEN WE ALSO REGARD, IF YOU DO KEEP IT THAT WAY, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE $250,000, OR SORRY, $2,500,000 LOCKED UP FOR FISCAL YEAR 29, FISCAL YEAR 30, NOT LOCKED UP, BUT BUDGETED OUT, SO TO SPEAK, BUDGETED OUT.
SO, AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA PROBABLY DO THAT NEXT YEAR, NOT BECAUSE OF YOU OR US OR ANY, IT JUST, IT'S JUST THE WAY THAT PROCEDURAL THE WAY IT'S BEEN HAPPENING.
THAT'S THE WAY IT'S BEEN HAPPENING.
SO, BUT, UM, I JUST, I JUST WANT, MY, MY THOUGHT IS THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THESE PROJECTS, THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE, THE LINEAR PARK, THESE ALL CAME OUT OF, UM, THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS AND GOING INTO THE GREAT RECESSION.
AND WE HAD, IF WE HAD FOLLOWED UP, IF, IF EVERYTHING HAD FALLEN INTO PLACE IN THAT TIMEFRAME, IN THOSE FOUR YEARS, UH, THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT WERE CAME BEFORE COUNCIL WERE PROBABLY EIGHT TO 10 HUGE PROJECTS DOWNTOWN, EVERYWHERE ACROSS THE BOARD.
AND IF EVERYTHING WENT THE WAY IT WENT, WE'D BE FUNDED JUST FINE.
IF ALL THOSE PROJECTS CAME OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE DIRT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ONE ACROSS FROM HELEN BLAS, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE TALKED ABOUT THAT ONE? YOU KNOW, I CAN TELL YOU FROM PAST YEARS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT A LOT.
UM, SO, UH, I THINK THOSE FUNDS AREN'T AVAILABLE.
AND IF WE HAD FOLLOWED THROUGH, WE WOULD LOOK LIKE A MINI ORLANDO.
I MEAN, WE WOULD HAVE THAT MUCH, UM, UM, CONGESTION AND, AND THAT MUCH, UM, UH, UH, BUILDING IN DOWNTOWN.
WE WERE EVEN DISCUSSING, DISCUSSING AIR FEES, YOU KNOW, ABOVE, ABOVE EIGHT STORIES.
WHAT WAS IT ABOVE EIGHT STORIES.
IT COST YOU A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR STORY.
WASN'T, WASN'T THAT PART OF THE CONVERSATION AT ONE POINT WE DIDN'T HAVE FOR THE HEIGHT.
I MEAN, IF YOU GO EIGHT STORIES NOW, IF YOU GO 10, 200,000, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, TO CAPTURE THOSE DOLLARS, WE DON'T HAVE THOSE DOLLARS.
SO, UM, IS THERE A WAY TO NOT CLOSE OUT THE PROJECT YET, MOVE THE MONEY? YOU, YOU COULD IN THEORY, UH, TAKE NO REAL ACTION ON THIS.
UM, AND WHEN WE COME TO THE POINT OF ACTUALLY DOING A HOLMES PARK, UM, STAFF WOULD ABSOLUTELY BE ABLE TO REPRIORITIZE THE FUNDING WITHOUT CLOSING THE PROJECT.
UM, I THINK WHAT, WHAT, UH, STAFF WAS HOPING TO DO, AND I, AND PLEASE, I DO REALLY DO APPRECIATE THIS ENGAGEMENT ON THIS.
I THINK STAFF WAS NOT HOPING TO BE IN A SITUATION LIKE WE HAVE BEEN.
IF WE COME FORWARD WITH A SOUTHWEST TRAILS PROJECT OR SOMETHING THAT HAS, UH, BEEN ON THE BOOKS FOR YEARS APPROVED BY, UH, UH, COUNCIL IN THIS METHODOLOGY, WE ACT ON IT AND THEN WE COME BACK AND SAY, HERE'S YOUR PROJECT THAT YOU ORDERED AND THEN YOU DON'T LIKE IT.
WE DON'T WANT TO KEEP DOING THAT.
UM, SO THERE ARE A HANDFUL OF NUMBER OF OLD PROJECTS LIKE THIS THAT HAVE BEEN LINGERING, WHETHER IT'S DUE TO A LACK OF FUNDING FOR THE ENTIRETY OF THE PROJECT OR THE LIKE, UM, BUT THIS IS A DISCUSSION THAT STAFF HASN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY PREVIOUSLY TO HAVE IN THIS TYPE OF FORUM.
JUST LIKE WE DO BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS DURING THE COURSE OF THE YEAR, 1, 2, 3, 4 MM-HMM
DURING THOSE BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN MOVE THE MONEY AROUND THAT WAY.
IF WE NEEDED TO MOVE MONEY BACK INTO SOMETHING, WE'RE ABLE TO DO THAT AS WELL TOO.
SO THERE'S NO DEFINITIVE ANSWER TO THIS.
WHY IF ALL OF A SUDDEN ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE AND WE'RE ABLE TO BUILD THAT PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE OR A LINEAR PARK, SOMETHING BECOMES AVAILABLE.
GRANTS STATE, FEDERAL, I'M JUST MAKING IT UP AS I GO.
BUT WE CAN ALWAYS TAKE THE ADDITIONAL MONIES AND, AND PUT IT IN THERE.
IT'S NOT CLOSED, BUT THERE'S NO MONEY IN IT.
BUT WE CAN FUND IT AT A PARTICULAR TIME.
I THINK THAT ACCOMPLISHES YOUR GOAL.
SO TO DO THAT, ROSS, I'M LOOKING AT 500,000 FOR FISCAL YEAR 29 AND 2 MILLION FOR FISCAL YEAR 30.
WOULD WE MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT AS THIS BODY TO A CERTAIN NUMBER FOR FISCAL YEAR 30 FOR YOU? LIKE A DOLLAR THAT'S, THAT'S NOT AS, UH, RELEVANT TO TODAY'S DISCUSSION, JUST GIVEN HOW FAR OUT IT IS ON THE CIP PLAN.
IT'S, IT'S MORE OF A, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE PRIORITIES, STAFF IS ALSO LOOKING AT THESE PRIORITIES WITH THE INTENT ON COMPLETING THESE PROJECTS.
UH, YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S NUMBER ONE.
AND, AND YOU KNOW, NIKKI'S BEENING TO BUILD THAT PLAYGROUND THERE, SHE'S STARTING THERE AND WORKING HER WAY DOWN HER LIST.
SO IT'S, THEN IT'S JUST PROJECT FEASIBILITY AT THAT POINT.
SO, WELL 'CAUSE WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT ISN'T NECESSARILY THIS RELATED THOUGH.
THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT NO, I JUST NEED DIRECTION, JUST GENERAL DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL.
I CAN DO THAT ADMINISTRATIVELY SO WE CAN, SO I THINK THE CONVERSATION WAS MORE CLOSING THE PROJECT OR KEEPING IT ALIVE IN A PARTICULAR, YOU KNOW, SUSPENDED STATE OF ANIMATION OF SORTS.
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YES.AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW SOME OF THESE OTHER LINGERING PROJECTS BECAUSE, UH, I, I, I FEEL AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS, AS OPPOSED TO JUST LOOKING AT THIS ONE, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE, THESE OTHER LINGERING PROJECTS AND HOW LONG THEY'VE BEEN AROUND? IS THERE A LIST OF THEM? WE, WE DID, YES.
UH, I KNOW THEY'RE IN THE BOOK.
I GET THEY'RE IN THE BOOK, BUT THE WAY THAT THIS IS COMING UP, I MEAN, IT IS ALMOST LIKE THAT SHOULD BE, WHAT, WHAT PAGE IS THAT ON 1 53? THE LIST OF LINGER ROOM PROJECTS? OH, NO, NO, NO.
EACH ONE IS CONTINGENT INTO EACH DEPARTMENT.
AND THAT'S WHY IT'S THAT THICK.
AND THAT'S WHY WE SPEND TWO MONTHS GOING THROUGH THIS AS COUNCIL MEMBERS AND WORKING WITH STAFF TO FIND EACH AND EVERY ONE.
SO I CHALLENGE YOU TO GO BACK INTO THE BOOK 'CAUSE I'M CHALLENGED RIGHT NOW TO GO BACK INTO THE BOOK AS WELL TOO.
BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THESE ARE OPPORTUNITIES IN THE SAME WAY THAT IT'S COMING UP RIGHT NOW.
SO WHY NOT HAVE THOSE AS A SET ASIDE TO SAY THAT THESE ARE, THESE ARE THESE LONG, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE CALL IT PIE AND SKY.
THESE ARE THESE VISIONARY PROJECTS THAT WERE BACK THEN, AND THEN THERE WOULD BE A WAY OF ANALYZING THEM.
BUT THEN AGAIN, WE'D HAVE TO, I DON'T THINK WE CAN PUT IT INTO ONE BUCKET.
WE HAVE TO IDENTIFY EVERYONE, YOU KNOW.
UM, MR. SMITH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE MS. YES.
WE'RE HERE TO DO THE MILLAGE RATE.
THAT'S THE ITEM I'M ALLOWED TO DO.
OH NO, I'M JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, DON'T LET ME, I UNDERSTAND.
I'M A CPA, I DO UNDERSTAND A BUDGET.
CI HAVE DONE A BUDGET MISREPRESENTING.
WHAT DID YOU SAY THAT WAS MISREPRESENTED? WE ARE HERE TO LOOK AT THIS.
OKAY? WE'RE LOOKING AT THE BUDGET.
WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT, WE CAN SIT DOWN.
AND WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT 500,000 AND ALL THAT, WE'RE LOOKING AT MINUTIAE MONEY.
WE'RE LOOKING AT THE BIG NUMBERS.
WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO, TWO, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE MIL, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE MILLAGE RATE.
WE CAME IN HERE TO DO THE MILLAGE RATE.
LOOK, THIS, WE CAME IN TO DO THE MILLAGE RATE.
WE'RE NOT GONNA DO EVERY GO LINE ITEM AND LINE ITEM.
WE'LL BE HERE TO KINGDOM COME.
WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THE BIG PICTURE.
NOW WE CAME SAY WE CAN MOVE THE 500 HERE, WE CAN MOVE THE 500 THERE.
WE CAN HAVE THAT, THAT, THAT'S A MINOR THING IN THE WHOLE WHOLE LIST.
ARE WE GOING TO DO IS TAKE THE BUDGET WHERE IT IS, LEAVE IT THERE, ARE WE GONNA TALK ABOUT DOING THE ROADS? ARE WE GONNA DO THE, UM, TAKE THE ADDITIONAL $1 MILLION? AND I, THIS IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
WHAT I WANT IS LIKE, IF WE TAKE THE CURRENT RATE, ADD THEM, ADD THE DIFFERENT THINGS, BECAUSE WE NEED CERTAIN MACHINERY EQUIPMENT.
CIPS, I LIKE KNOW, LIKE ON SARNO ROAD, AND I'VE TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE.
WE'VE HAD EQUIPMENT UNDERNEATH THE GROUND, ESPECIALLY UNDERNEATH THE GROUND THAT ARE 35, 40, 50 YEARS.
WE NEED THAT TO BE TAKEN CARE OF.
WE DON'T NEED TO DO THE PRETTY, PRETTY ALL THE, PRETTY, PRETTY, BUT WE GOT TO HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO MOVE FORWARD.
ARE WE GONNA LOOK AT, DO WE WANT TO ADD, WE HAVE THE BUDGET AT THE PROPOSED AMOUNT AT 6.7.
DO WE WANT TO TAKE THE ROADS? DO WE WANNA ADD ONE MORE MILLION TO THE ROADS OR DO WE WANNA ADD ONE MORE MILLION TO CIP OR THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT.
WELL, OR YOU'RE OUTTA, YOU'RE ON, YOU'RE ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR AND WE'RE ON ITEM NUMBER THREE.
UH, YOU, I, I UNDER, I'M, YOU ARE ON ON THE WRONG ITEM.
WE'RE CURRENTLY ON ITEM THREE, WHICH IS TO REVIEW THE BUDGET BOOK THAT'S IN YOUR CAR.
BUT WE CAN SIT HERE AND GO MY, I MEAN, WHEN I'M GOING THROUGH THIS, THEY KNOW MORE ABOUT IT THAN WE DO.
RIGHT? THAT'S WHY WE DID OUR MEETING AND THEN WE WENT THROUGH IT.
AND I TALKED TO 'EM ABOUT THESE THINGS.
YOU THINK I JUST BROUGHT THIS UP ON THEM? I WOULD NEVER DO THAT TO THEM.
I'VE TALKED TO 'EM ABOUT THIS AND HOW THIS WAS, BUT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT FIVE, $5,000 IN A $300 MILLION, UM, BUDGET, IT'S MINOR THINGS.
WE CAN SIT HERE AND MINE THAT IS A VERY MINOR, WE'RE ABOUT 2.5 MILLION RIGHT NOW.
THERE'S 2.5 MILLION ON ITEM NUMBER SIX IN THE DOWNTOWN CR I'M OKAY WITH THE DISCUSSION.
2.5 MILLION FOR FISCAL YEAR 29 AND FISCAL YEAR 30.
BUT THAT'S, BUT THAT'S 20 AND YOU'RE GONNA KICK IT OUT NEXT YEAR.
AND I'M SAYING WE KEEP KICKING IT.
WHY ARE WE DOING IT? DON'T LOOKING AT IT THIS YEAR, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT 29.
'CAUSE YOU SET BUDGETS IN FIVE YEARS.
MIMI, YOU'VE DONE THIS FOR FOUR YEARS AND WE'RE NOT DOING BUDGET THIS, THEY'RE DOING THIS SHOWING THE FIVE YEARS OUT.
AND WE'RE PROVING THAT WE'RE BUDGET RIGHT NOW AND WE'RE APPROVING THAT.
WHAT WE'RE APPROVING WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IN THIRD FISCAL 30.
MI MS. BASSETT, YOU'RE, YOU'RE NEXT ON THE, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT ITEM NUMBER SIX? I, I KINDA WANNA HEAR FROM JENNY.
OH, JENNY, I, I WAS GONNA ANSWER ABOUT THE LINGERING PROJECTS.
THE BRIDGE DOES KEEP GETTING PUSHBACK.
THAT IS, THAT IS HIGHLY, I MEAN, WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR CRA ADVISORY BOARD, YOU AS COUNCIL ARE THE, YOU KNOW, ARE THE CRA.
AND SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE TAKE OUR CUES FROM THAT.
BUT THAT IS, THERE IS NOT ADEQUATE FUNDING, WHICH IS WHY YOU SEE A PUSHBACK.
THE LINEAR PARK PROJECT IS ONE THAT HAS BEEN ON THE BOOKS FOR YEARS.
AS I SAID BEFORE, WE'RE, WE'RE SLOWLY GAINING,
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YOU KNOW, TRYING TO ACQUIRE PROPERTY.I'M NOT SURE IF I'M, YOU KNOW, IF, IF I'M GONNA SEE THAT DURING MY CAREER HERE.
BUT WE ARE ACQUIRING, WE HAD SOMEONE JUST RECENTLY IN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS REACH OUT TO US THAT WAS INTERESTED IN SMELL SELLING A VERY SMALL PIECE.
YOU ASKED FOR OTHER LINGERING PROJECTS.
WE CAN, YOU KNOW, I WON'T GO THROUGH EVERY ONE, I'M JUST GOING OFF MEMORY, BUT PIRATE LANE WIDENING, WE KEEP PUSHING THAT OUT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ADEQUATE, UM, TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEES OR MOBILITY FEES IN THAT ZONE.
ANOTHER PROJECT THAT WE CONSISTENTLY SEE BEING PUSHED IS THE EAST WEST CORRIDOR EXPANSION.
BUT THAT IS ONE THAT IS ALSO TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEE MOBILITY FEE IMPACTED.
SO THERE ARE, AS YOU GO THROUGH THE BUDGET BOOK, AND THERE WILL BE ANOTHER PROJECT, AND IT'S NOT LINGERING YET, BUT THIS WILL BE A LINGERING PROJECT POSSIBLY IS THE NORFOLK PARKWAY WESTERN EXTENSION.
HOWEVER, IF WE'RE FOLLOWING THE PROTOCOL THAT IS, WE'RE IN OUR FEASIBILITY AND I CALL IT FEASIBILITY.
I KNOW THERE'S ANOTHER NAME FOR THAT.
IT'S NOT PD AND E IT'S BEFORE THAT.
BUT THERE, IF WE'RE GOING TO GET, UM, DOT OR FEDERAL FUNDING FOR THAT, WE HAVE TO FOLLOW A PROTOCOL FOR THAT.
AND WE ARE IN THAT FIRST PHASE RIGHT NOW.
WE JUST RECENTLY APPROVED THOSE CONTRACTS, YOU KNOW, SO, BUT JUST FLIPPING THROUGH THE BOOK, YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THESE GET THAT GET PUSHED OUT A LITTLE.
I KNOW LIKE OUR CITY FIBER OPTIC NETWORK, WE'VE PUSHED THAT A LITTLE.
BUT SOME OF THAT IS WE'RE GONNA WORK ON A PLAN FOR THAT.
UM, YOU START LOOKING AT ONE OF THE BIG ONES THAT I THINK YOU'LL SEE THAT GETS PUSHED OUT EVERY YEAR, WHICH NOW I'VE LOST IT, THE FOUNTAIN HEAD AND THE DUBBER BRIDGES, THOSE HAVE BEEN IN THE BUDGET BOOK FOR MORE THAN FIVE YEARS.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE MEETING THE END OF THEIR LIFE CYCLE.
UM, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO PUSH THOSE MUCH LONGER.
BUT THOSE DON'T HAVE ANY FUNDING IN THEM RIGHT NOW.
WE FOUND IT, WE FUNDED ENGINEERING FOR FOUNTAIN HEAD DURING THE SECOND QUARTER BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS.
SO THAT ONE WE HAVE TO GET MOVING WITH.
SO SOME OF THIS YOU CAN FIND IN THE BUDGET BOOK.
SOME OF THESE WITH THE, YOU'VE HIT ON THE TWO BIG LINK LINGERING PROJECTS IN THAT WE'VE DONE SOME DESIGN WORK WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON AND THEY JUST, WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING FOR.
WELL, AND AND TO YOUR, AND TO YOUR POINT, UM, THE, ALSO THE ONES THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, PIRATE LANE WIDENING, NORFOLK, THOSE, THOSE SEEM VERY STRONG INFRASTRUCTURE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT VEHICLES AND ROADS AND ALL THAT STUFF AS OPPOSED TO MORE SO LIKE PARK PROJECTS OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO JUST OR SOMETHING NEW OR, WELL, NO, BOTH THESE ARE KIND OF NEW.
WELL THE BRIDGE IS TECHNICALLY NOT NEW, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S IF WE GO DOWN THE HISTORY LESSON.
BUT, UM, BUT THAT BEING SAID, SO YEAH, SO THAT'S THERE.
NOW BACK TO MS. VA, SO FAR WE GOT THREE, FOUR, THIS, UH, CRANE CREEK BRIDGE AND TWO AGAINST ARE, WHERE ARE YOU AT SO WE CAN GIVE THEM SOME DIRECTION.
I'M KIND OF SPLIT AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.
I UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S NECESSARY TO POSSIBLY USE THAT MONEY FOR SOMETHING ELSE.
THE OTHER PART OF ME THINKS BACK TO LIKE HOW I DO THINGS AT HOME OF WHEN, IF I TAKE THE MONEY FROM THAT, WHEN AM I EVER GONNA GET PUT THE MONEY BACK INTO IT? SURE.
THAT'S WHERE I GET LIKE, OOH, ARE WE EVER GONNA GET TO IT? RIGHT.
WELL, I DON'T, I MEAN, I I I GUARANTEE YOU THAT WE'LL BE PUSHING THIS IN FISCAL YEAR 30 AND 31 NEXT TIME.
LIKE I JUST THINK WE'RE MAKING A PRUDENT DECISION ON SOME BIG DOWNTOWN PROJECTS RIGHT NOW THAT ARE REALLY GONNA CHA THAT OH YEAH.
BECAUSE IF WE CAN, YOU CAN MOVE STUFF UP AT THIS POINT.
SO LIKE, I'M, I'M, I'M, YES, BUT JUST, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T FORGET ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
WELL, I MEAN, IT'LL STILL BE IN HERE IF WE DO IT THAT WAY.
IF WE'RE DOING IT THIS WAY, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IT, YOU'LL STILL SEE THESE, THESE NUMBERS BEING PUSHED DOWN YEAR, YEAR OVER YEAR.
WOULD THAT BE, I JUST DON'T WANNA FORGET ABOUT IT.
IF WE STILL BRING IT UP EVERY YEAR.
AND THEN SO THAT'S, UM, A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
IT'S, THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO GO BACK TO YOU WE'RE LEAVING IT IN THERE, BUT WE'RE TAKING THE FUNDS THAT HAVE BEEN EARMARKED AND WE'RE MOVING IT GIVING DIRECTION TO THE CORRECT.
ALRIGHT, SO IT'LL STILL SHOW UP IN HERE SO THAT WE CAN KEEP KICKING IT, BUT NOT WASTE OUR MONEY ON IT.
I THINK IT'S THE, IT'S THE COMPROMISE ARE ARE YOU OPEN TO THAT? YEAH.
UM, DOES THAT HELP YOU GIVE DIRECTION FOR FUTURE STUFF, I GUESS? PERFECT.
UH, NOW SIR, LEMME JUST CONFIRM BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WAS THE QUESTION THAT, UH, COUNCILMAN LARUSSO ASKED.
SO EXPLAIN TO US AGAIN HOW THAT WILL WORK AS FAR AS IT STAYS OPEN, BUT YET THE FUNDING GETS MOVED FROM THE WAY THAT WE SEE IT NOW.
SO YOU'VE SEEN IT PROBABLY ON A COUPLE OF THESE BUDGET RESOLUTIONS THAT WE'VE TAKEN TO YOU IN THE QUARTERLY, UH, RESOLUTIONS.
UH, PARTICULARLY IN THE WATER SEWER FUND.
UH, WE'VE BOND FUNDING IN THAT, THAT FUND RIGHT NOW IN THE CAPITAL PROJECTS TO TRY AND PRIORITIZE, UM, YOU KNOW, VERY LARGE, UM, EFFORTS IN TERMS OF WATER IMPROVEMENTS, UH, CAPACITY IMPROVEMENTS AND THE LIKE.
SO STAFF GENERALLY WILL RE REEVALUATE WHAT FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE FOR A SPECIFIC PROJECT.
AND IN THE EVENT THAT, LIKE IN THIS CASE, WHAT I WOULD DO, UH, BEHIND THE CURTAIN AGAIN, UH, I WOULD REMOVE THE 400,000 AND CHANGE THAT IS IN THERE FROM THE DOWNTOWN CRA'S FUNDS.
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BOND PROCEEDS, AND THEN REPURPOSE THAT 440,000 INTO AN EXISTING PROJECT ELSEWHERE.SO IT, IT WOULD STILL SHOW AS PART OF YOUR CAPITAL PLAN, IT WOULD JUST SHOW WITH A DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCE FOR THE TIME BEING.
SO THE PROJECT IS ACTIVE, IT JUST HAS NO CURRENT FUNDING TIED TO IT, AND IT FREES THAT CURRENT FUNDING UP FOR OTHER PURPOSES.
SIR, TO BE CLEAR, THEN THAT FUNDING WOULD BE CLEARED UP ON EITHER FIRST QUARTER, SECOND QUARTER, THIRD QUARTER, CORRECT.
FOURTH QUARTER COMING INTO THE, THE NEXT YEAR'S, UH, BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS.
BECAUSE I WOULD BE ALTERING THE OVERALL REVENUE AND EXPENDITURES OF THAT FUND.
I WOULD BRING A, I WOULD BRING A RESOLUTION BACK TO YOU TO DO THAT.
AND SO THAT STILL GIVES ANYBODY HERE IF, IF THEY HAVE HEARTBURN ABOUT IT TO VOTE AGAINST IT? CORRECT.
YOU'D YOU'D STILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THAT ONE IN THAT SPECIFIC INSTANCE? YES.
SO THE MONEY ISN'T GOING AWAY TODAY.
IT, IT WILL BE, UH, IT WILL BE ADJUSTED OVER THE COURSE OF 2026 IN THE BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS, RIGHT? YES.
SECOND, SECOND PART TO THE QUESTION, VICE MAYOR.
AND AS YOU'RE HEARING US TALK ABOUT, UH, IS THERE A WAY TO SAY THAT FUNDING NOW GETS REALLOCATED TOWARDS THE HOLMES PARK AS A PRIORITY? WE JUST LEAVE THAT UP TO YOU ALL.
UM, SO IN OTHER WORDS, IF LET'S JUST SAY I DO THAT, I TAKE THIS DIRECTION FROM THIS MEETING, I'M GONNA COME BACK TO YOU AT SOME POINT IN THE NEAR FUTURE, WHETHER THAT'S IN THE FISCAL YEAR 25 BUDGET OR 26 BUDGET.
UM, BUT, UH, LET'S JUST SAY FOR INSTANCE, IT'S THIS YEAR I'M GONNA COME BACK WITH A BUDGET RESOLUTION ON THE THIRD QUARTER BUDGET RESOLUTION.
IF YOU READ THROUGH IT LINE BY LINE, THERE WILL BE A, A REPURPOSING OF THOSE FUNDS TO SAY THE HOLMES PARK OR THE DOWNTOWNS CORE STREETSCAPE.
AND AT THE SAME TIME YOU'LL SEE IT BEING REPLACED WITH FUTURE BOND PROCEEDS.
SO IT'LL, IT WILL OFFSET, UM, UH, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
IT'LL, IT'LL OUTLINE EXACTLY AS WE'VE DESCRIBED IT.
JENNY, ANOTHER WAY TO DO THAT, AND WE JUST DID THIS ON A, ON UM, A STORMWATER UTILITY PROJECT AT THE VERY LAST MEETING IS FOR THE ESPANOLA BAFFLE BOX.
WE CLOSED TWO PROJECTS THAT WERE LINGERING STORMWATER PROJECTS THAT WE REALIZED WERE NOT GOOD PROJECTS TO DO FOR THE NUTRIENT REMOVAL.
AND WE MOVED, WE TOOK THE FUNDING OUT OF THOSE PROJECTS PUT IN.
WE, WE REFERENCED THAT IN OUR AGENDA ITEM.
SO, ANOTHER WAY TO DO IT, NOT THAT, I MEAN IF WE DON'T HAVE SOMETHING IMMEDIATELY, BUT WHEN WE GO TO DO, SAY A DESIGN CONTRACT FOR, FOR HOMES PARK, IF THAT'S WHERE COUNCIL DECIDES THEY WANT IT, WE COULD DO THAT AS PART OF THEIRS.
SO THERE'S TWO OR THREE DIFFERENT WAYS WE COULD DO IT.
ALL OF WHICH WOULD WOULD COME BACK FOR COUNCIL.
AND IT'S, YOU, YOU, YOU GOT AHEAD OF MY, MY NEXT PIECE HERE, WHICH IS MY FINAL PORTION OF, OF ALL THIS.
IF YOU, AND WE COULD CONTINUE ON IF ANYBODY ELSE'S BUDGET ITEMS, UM, ESTI.
SO ROSS, WHEN WE HAD TALKED YOU, MARLA, JENNY AND I, SHOULD, WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO FREE THAT UP, WHICH WE'VE GOTTEN THE GENERAL DIRECTION TO.
SO YOU HAD SUGGESTED, OR THERE WAS, I HAVE A LINE ARROW DOWN HERE THAT WE DO DESIGN PREP FOR HOLMES PARK FOR FISCAL YEAR 26, BECAUSE THAT FREES UP ABOUT YOU.
YOU HAD, WHEN WE DISCUSSED IT LOOKED LIKE THE 516 WAS GOING DOWN.
IT MAY HAVE BEEN THAT 400 OR SO, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS FUNDED FOR FISCAL YEAR 26.
DO YOU RECALL WHERE I'M GOING? THAT THAT PROJECT ALREADY HAS SOME LEVEL OF FUNDING IN IT? YEAH, THE STATE REQUIRES EVERY CRA TO CLOSE ANY FUND BALANCE TO AN EXISTING PROJECT.
IT'S ONE OF THE, THE, THE POSSIBLE USES YOU CAN DO AT THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR.
UH, SO WHETHER OR NOT IT'S COMING FROM THIS PARTICULAR 440,000 OR WHATEVER THE AMOUNT IS THAT'S CURRENTLY SITTING IN THAT EX THAT EXISTING, UM, I, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S LABELED AS HOLMES PARK PROJECT, BUT IT'S, IT'S WHICHEVER ONE, OR I'M SORRY IT IS THERE.
HOLMES PARK PLAZA PUBLIC SPACE.
WE COULD IN THEORY JUST MOVE IT INTO THAT ONCE IT'S ESTABLISHED, AFTER THIS FISCAL YEAR GOES INTO EFFECT, JENNY, OR YOU COULD MOVE THE FUND BALANCE THAT YOU'RE PUTTING INTO THE STREETSCAPE AND YOU COULD ACCELERATE AND, AND SAY YOU WANNA MOVE THE FUND BALANCE INTO HOLMES PARK NOW.
WAS THERE, IT'LL EITHER HAPPEN IN 25 OR 26.
UH, IT'S, BUT IF, IF YOU WANT ME TO REPRIORITIZE THAT FUNDING FOR THE PURPOSES OF HOLMES PARK WHILE STILL LEAVING CRANE CREEK OPEN THE, THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE THAT IS RIGHT.
UH, THAT'S THE DIRECTION I'M LOOKING FOR.
'CAUSE THAT 440 COULD FILL IN THAT GAP.
SO, SO JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE CLEAR, SO IF WE MOVE THAT FUND BALANCE FROM DOWNTOWN STREETS STREETSCAPE TO HOMES PARK, THAT WON'T AFFECT THE STREETSCAPE AND IT'LL HELP US START DESIGN ON HOMES PARK.
ON HOMES PARK, I THOUGHT THE DOWNTOWN, UM, UM, NO MA'AM.
I THOUGHT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING SOME OF THIS.
THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING THIS DESIGN AND FUNDING JENNY OF THAT ONE.
'CAUSE THEY CAME IN WITH THEIR DESIGN ABOUT THE, WHAT'S THAT? THAT WAS MELBOURNE MAIN STREET'S CONCEPT PLAN.
THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN A CITY OF MELBOURNE PROJECT.
'CAUSE THEY WERE LOOKING, 'CAUSE NOW I'M, NOW I'M CONFUSED BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING WITH THE WAY THEY CAME IN, THEY WERE FUNDING THAT WHOLE, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE DOING THE DESIGN, THE FUNDING AND EVERYTHING ELSE WITH THAT, THEY DID MENTION THAT THEY WOULD LOOK FOR POSSIBLE, UM, DO SOME FUNDRAISING IF WE NEEDED FUNDRAISING TO GET IT MOVING FORWARD.
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MM-HMMI KNOW THEY HAVE OFFERED THAT TO THE CITY AND DONATIONS AND SO FORTH ALONG THOSE LINES.
BUT, UM, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT NITTY GRITTY YET.
'CAUSE I MEAN, THAT'S WHY I'M GETTING CONFUSED HERE ABOUT DOING HOMELESS PARK BECAUSE THEY BROUGHT THE PLAN SAYING IT WAS MELBOURNE MAIN STREET, AND NOW WE'RE DOING, WE'RE DOING THE PROJECT, I GUESS.
SO THEY'RE OUT OF THE PICTURE.
IS THAT A GOOD WAY OF SAYING IT? THEY'RE KIND OF OUT OF THE PICTURE.
THEY'RE NOT OUT OF THE PICTURE.
THEY'RE STILL PROVIDING GUIDANCE AS MELBOURNE MAIN STREET IN THE CRA ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
UM, IT JUST, IT IS, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S CITY INFRASTRUCTURE.
IT'S VERY STRANGE WITH THE MELBOURNE MAIN STREET AND CRAI KNOW IT'S A VERY STRANGE ANIMAL RIGHT THERE.
BUT I GUESS, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE COMING IN HERE LIKE IT WAS NOT GONNA BE OUR, THEY WERE GONNA TAKE CARE OF IT AND WITH THEIR FUNDING RATHER THAN US HAVING TO COME IN WITH ADDITIONAL FUNDING.
SO ON THAT DISCUSSION POINT, UM, I GUESS WE'LL GO DOWN THE LINE.
JULIE, I KNOW THAT YOU'VE BEEN KIND OF GIVEN SOME INITIAL THOUGHTS.
HOW ARE YOU FEELING ABOUT THIS ONE? I'D SUPPORT IT.
I WE, WE'VE TALKED IT TO DEATH.
IT'S GONNA STAY IN THE PROCESS.
WE'RE GONNA TAKE THE MONEY AWAY.
BUT IT'S STILL GONNA BE A VIABLE PROCESS.
THIS IS MOVING FROM, THIS IS MOVING THE ESTIMATED FUND BALANCE TO HOMES PARK.
NO, I, I, I, UH, I I UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING.
SO, UH, BUT AGAIN, AS FAR JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE, BUT IT, IT IS GONNA STAY IN, IN A WAY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
BUT, BUT I HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT LINGERING PROJECTS AND I KNOW WE'RE NOT GONNA DEAL WITH THAT TONIGHT.
BUT WE JUST NEED, I WOULD LIKE TO FIND OUT, WELL, THINGS THAT WE CAN DO SO WELL.
BUT NOW, BUT, BUT AGAIN, WE'RE JUST GIVING THEM DIRECTION HERE.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE FOR MOVING THIS FUND BALANCE TO HOMES PARK FROM STREETSCAPE HOME.
HOMES PARK IS GONNA REALLY DO SOME REALLY GREAT ISN'T COOL THINGS FOR DOWNTOWN MEL.
SO, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WE COULD DO TO, TO UH, AUGMENT AND GET THAT GOING.
THAT'S FOUR OF THEM MR. SO I KNOW WE'RE THINKING ON IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE NO, I'M YOU'RE FOUR.
NO, IT'S, IT IS ALL VERY REASONABLE AND VERY THOUGHT OUT.
ARE WE GOOD WITH MOVING THAT FUND BALANCE, ROSS? THAT WORKS FINE.
SO THAT'S ALL I HAD BY THE WAY.
I DID THINK OF YOU, I PUT A NOTE ABOUT ALI IN HERE, SO I ALWAYS THINKING ABOUT YOU, MARK.
BUT, UM, I'VE GOT NO, BUT, UM, THAT ANY OTHER PORTIONS OF THIS BOOK THAT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE MILLAGE RATES? WHEN IS PUBLIC COMMENT? I'M JUST WONDER AFTER DISCUSSION BEFORE WE MOVE ON.
SO BEFORE WE MOVE ON, SOMEBODY HAS A PUBLIC COMMENT.
SO RIGHT NOW, BEFORE WE MAKE DECISION, I KNOW.
SO ARE YOU, SO EVERYONE'S GONNA MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
I I WOULD JUST SAY MAKE SURE TO DO PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE YOU TAKE FINAL ACTION ON ANYTHING ON ADOPTING THE PROPOSED MILLAGE JURY.
OH, I THOUGHT WE WERE DOING THAT RIGHT NOW.
OH, WE'RE DOING THAT BEFORE THE MILL.
OH, WHAT'S THE NEXT ITEM? YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT.
WHETHER, WHETHER YOU WANT TO, WHETHER YOU KIND OF WANT TO HAVE TWO SEPARATE PUBLIC COMMENT PORTIONS FOR THE DISCUSSION OF THE, OF THE BUDGET AND THEN DISCUSSION OF THE ADOPTION OF THE MILLAGE RATE.
DID ANYONE SIGN UP FOR THE, FOR WHICH ONE? THEY DID.
SO, SO, SO AGAIN, WE'LL TAKE IT NOW.
THAT'S WHAT HE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT.
FIRST UP WE HAVE JEREMY HANCOCK FOLLOWED BY MARK HARING.
UH, FIRST OFF, THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME GET SOME TIME HERE WITH YOU GUYS TODAY.
UM, I DID SEND A LETTER OUT BACK IN JUNE 5TH TO ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS.
UH, I'M NOT SURE IF IT WAS RECEIVED 'CAUSE I ALSO DID A SIMILAR LETTER TO THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.
SOME OF THEM DID NOT RECEIVE IT.
UH, BUT WHAT I'M GONNA ACTUALLY UP, UP HERE FOR TODAY IS JUST TO FOCUS ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
I KNOW THAT'S A MASSIVE THING, BUT I'M GONNA REDUCE MINE DOWN.
UM, BASICALLY INFRASTRUCTURE THAT I'M LOOKING AT IS MOSTLY GONNA BE ROADS.
TRAFFIC LIGHTS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GETTING QUITE LARGE HERE.
UM, JUST TO GIVE YOU GUYS AN IDEA, BREVARD COUNTY HAS JUST POSTED THEIR FISCAL BUDGET YEAR AND RIGHT NOW THEY WENT FROM 66.5 MILLION DOWN TO 59.02 MILLION FOR NEXT, OR FOR THIS COMING FISCAL YEAR FOR THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN DO SOMETHING TO IMPOSE A NEW TAX, WHETHER IT BE ON FUEL, UH, PROPERTY TAX.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE THAT OPTION HERE WITHIN THE CITY, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING.
AND THE REASON WHY I SAY THAT TOO IS, UH, I, I'M SORRY I DIDN'T WRITE THE DATE, BUT, UH, MAJOR GENERAL JAMES SMITH, UH, JUST WAS ON THE NEWS THE OTHER DAY AND HE QUOTED THAT THEY'RE MOVING A NEW SPACE HEADQUARTERS FOR THE TRAINING AND READINESS COMMAND HERE TO PATRICK SPACE FORCE BASE.
THAT'S GONNA PUT ANOTHER LOAD ON OUR ROADS, ON OUR INFRASTRUCTURE HERE, JUST WITH THE FOUR 50 CIVILIAN AND MILITARY FAMILIES OR THE MEMBERS PLUS
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THEIR FAMILIES COMING HERE.NOT JUST BREVARD COUNTY, BUT ALSO INTO THE CITY.
UM, I DO KNOW BY LOOKING AT THE BUDGET, WHICH THIS IS ALL BREVARD COUNTY BUDGET FOR JUST THE INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, THEY DO HAVE AN OPTION THAT'S IN LINE THAT'S FOR, UM, IT WAS LIKE A HALF CENT TAX AND IT WAS A SURTAX THAT THEY WERE LOOKING AT DOING.
AND, AND IF THEY CALCULATED CORRECTLY, IT'D BE ABOUT 68.1 MILLION THAT THEY WOULD GARNER FROM THAT.
THEY WOULD TAKE 38.1 AND THE REMAINING WOULD BE, UM, DOLED OUT BASICALLY AMONGST THE, UH, MUNICIPALITIES.
SO I'M THROWING THAT OUT THERE AS AN OPTION.
OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, WE'D HAVE TO SPEAK WITH HIM OR CITY WOULD TO SEE IF WE COULD GET SOME OF THAT.
BUT I'M AFRAID THAT IF WE DON'T START ADDRESSING HIS ISSUES, IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING WITH THE ROADS, THE TRAFFIC'S GONNA BE BAD.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT MORE DEATHS ON THE ROAD.
UH, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO KEEP UP WITH THE RESURFACING THAT YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT.
NOW I HAVE TALKED WITH MS. KENNEDY AND EXCUSE ME, MR. SMITH.
WHAT'S UP JEREMY? HEY, HOW YOU DOING? UM, SO, BUT I DIDN'T GET TO GO INTO DETAIL WITH HIM ON IT.
AND AGAIN, I'M GONNA TRY TO KEEP THIS EASY AND AND SIMPLE WITH YOU GUYS, BUT, UH, I THINK THAT WAS THE OTHER, THE ONLY OTHER NUMBER I HAD THERE.
BUT I, I, I KNOW IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE DEFINITELY HAVE TO ADDRESS.
I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT BRIDGES THAT YOU'RE SIDELINING, BUT MAYBE SOME OF THOSE FUNDS FROM THAT CAN GO INTO THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS.
LIKE MS. HANLEY SAID, WE'VE GOT EQUIPMENT THAT'S 50 YEARS OLD, WE GOTTA FIX IT.
SO THAT, THAT'S ALL I REALLY HAD FOR TODAY.
ALRIGHT, NEXT UP IS MARK INE ALL.
DO I HAVE TO LEAVE MY ADDRESS? CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME BY THE WAY, THE MICROPHONES DIDN'T SOUND LIKE THE BUT WE CAN HEAR.
UM, I'LL STICK TO THE SCRIPT SO THAT WAY AND, AND I'M OPEN FOR QUESTIONS.
UM, JUST WANNA REMIND FOLKS THAT THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE OVER CRANE CREEK IS VIEWED AS A CRITICAL NECESSITY BY LOCAL RESIDENTS WITHIN ONE TO TWO MILES.
AND WE'LL INCREASE THE LONG-TERM CONNECTIVITY OF DOWNTOWN, ESPECIALLY TO ITS HAR TO, ITS TO CRANE CREEK AND TO THE HARBOR CITY, OR TO THE HARBOR FOR WHICH ITS BYLINE IS NAMED FROM.
UM, IT'S GONNA BE IMPROVING THE DYNAMICS OF ITS SAFE WALKABILITY, UH, QUALITY OF LIFE, WALKABILITY, AS WELL AS THE INTRINSIC VALUE OF DOWNTOWN AND ITS ATTRACTIVENESS TO NEW AND MORE FAMILIES AND KIDS, WHICH GOES DIRECTLY TO SAFETY.
AS FOR BRIGHT LINE BEING A SAFETY ISSUE, THIS IS A WORKAROUND I WOULD ASK STAFF TO, I WOULD ASK TO FUND STAFF TO EXPEDITE PROJECTS AND SEARCH FOR GRANTS.
AND THEN TO PIGGYBACK
IT WAS A PRO PROJECT THAT HOWARD ROLLS DID.
AND WHEN I SERVED ON THE MELBOURNE MAIN STREET BOARD UNDER THE DESIGN COMMITTEE, I WENT TO PROBABLY 15 DIFFERENT RESIDENCES.
UH, SOME OF THEM WANTED TO SELL, SOME OF THEM WERE OPEN TO CONVEYING THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND THAT PROJECT DIED ON THE SHELF, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD.
I DON'T MEAN TO BEGRUDGE STAFF.
STAFF HAVE HAD SOME REALLY GREAT IDEAS IN 25 YEARS, AND IF THOSE PROJECTS HAD BEEN GENERATED, THE DYNAMIC AND THE MAKEUP OF WHAT YOUR DOWNTOWN, OF WHAT WE LOOK LIKE BETWEEN DOWNTOWN AND EGA WOULD'VE CHANGED REMARKABLY.
I DON'T ENVY YOUR POSITIONS AT ALL OF HAVING TO GO BACK AND FORTH, BUT THE, BUT THE BANTER IS GOOD.
I KNOW IT ISN'T, DOESN'T ALWAYS FEEL GOOD, BUT IT IS GOOD.
UM, AND THE PROJECT WOULD'VE CONNECTED TOO.
TWO GREAT PLACES,
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COST WOULD'VE BEEN FOR THE LINEAR PARK PROJECT, BUT I ASSURE YOU IT'S DOUBLED NOW.
SO YES, IT'S GETTING KICKED DOWN THE ROAD AND THAT COMES AT A COST.
AND WHAT THE CITY WOULD'VE LOOKED LIKE WOULD'VE BEEN HUGELY DIFFERENT.
UM, THAT WALKABILITY, WHETHER IT'S NOT JUST THE PED WAY, PRO PED WAY BRIDGE OR THE, OR THE LINEAR PARK PROJECT, BUT IT'S, IT'S WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT SAYS TO THE SAFE WALKABILITY OF THE CITY.
AND, AND WE UNFORTUNATELY DON'T FEEL LIKE SOMETIMES WE HAVE THAT SAFE WALKABILITY RIGHT NOW, MUCH BETTER THAN IT'S EVER BEEN BEFORE.
BUT THAT'S, UH, THAT'S, THOSE ARE THE COMMENTS I WANTED TO MAKE.
SIR, UH, MR. HERITAGE, THANK YOU FOR YOUR, UH, YOUR COMMENTS.
AND AS YOU TALK ABOUT THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE, UH, YOU SAID THAT IT WOULD, THAT THE RESIDENTS IN THE AREA FEEL THAT IT'S, UH, IT'S CRITICAL.
WHAT WERE THE WORDS THAT YOU USE TO RELATE TO THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE? AND CAN YOU EXPOUND ON THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE? YEAH.
UM, RIGHT NOW, IT'S NOT VERY ATTRACTIVE.
WE HAVE A US ONE BRIDGE, US ONE, UH, SOUTH HARBOR CITY BOULEVARD GOES OVER CRANE CREEK, AND IT IS TECHNICALLY A BRIDGE, BUT IT'S NOT THAT PRETTY.
BUT WHEN YOU GO TO OTHER MUNICIPALITIES THAT ARE MELBOURNE'S BARELY A SMALL BY, UH, MACROECONOMIC STANDARDS, IT'S BARELY A SMALL MARKET
WE HAVE A LOT OF ATTRACTIVENESS.
I DON'T REMEMBER IF I'M ALLOWED OF REFER TO A PARTICULAR COUNCIL PERSON, BUT SOMEBODY SAID, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO JUST, OTHER OUT OF THE MUNICIPALITIES ARE COMPETING WITH US.
OTHER CITIES ARE COMPETING WITH US.
ORLANDO HAS TO COMPETE WITH US.
WE DON'T HAVE THE SAME DENSITY, BUT LOTS
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OF PEOPLE COME OVER TO MELBOURNE AND BOULEVARD COUNTY FOR SOME OF THIS SAFE WALKABILITY.THEY MAY NOT KNOW WHAT HAS GONE ON IN THE DOWNTOWN SOUTH EXPANSION 20 YEARS AGO.
AND GOOD WELCOME TO THE FREE MARKET OPERATING THE WAY THAT IT SHOULD.
UM, THERE ARE PEOPLE DOWN THERE THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE LIVED IN THE COMMUNITY FOR GENERATIONS LONG BEFORE WE GOT THERE IN 2005, WHO GO, THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT.
THEY DON'T CARE, OR IT'S NOT THAT IMPORTANT, OR, WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO COME DOWN HERE? PEOPLE, THESE ARE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SAYING THAT I AM GOING TO HAVE A BEER ALL THE TIME, OR, BUT WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED BEFORE AND, AND WE DON'T HAVE TO TALK ALL THE TIME TO KNOW THAT WE'VE BEEN IN, IN THE COMMUNITY LONG ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT WE'RE PART OF THE COMMUNITY AND NOT ASKING FOR, YOU KNOW, HANDOUTS OR GRANTS OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THE FREIGHT MARKET WANTS TO KNOW THAT THERE'S, THERE'S A RISK WORTH TAKING IN THE SOIL THAT'S IN THAT GROUND.
AND THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE AND THE, THE, UM, NOT SWITCHBACK, BUT THERE WAS GONNA BE A SWITCHBACK NEAR US ONE, AND IT WAS GONNA BE, IMAGINE IF THAT WAS THERE NOW.
UM, I THINK A LOT OF OTHER THINGS.
AND HAD WE NOT HAD THAT CORRECTION THEN YEAH, I MEAN, THAT CORRECTION IN 2007 WHEN THE MARKET CORRECT.
I MEAN, IT WOULD'VE BEEN A WHOLE HOST OF STUFF TO GET BACK MORE TO THE GERMAN MAIN ANSWER THE QUESTION, SORRY, COUNCILMAN, IS THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE BACK THERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME OVER THE BRIDGE THAT REMEMBER WHEN COMING OVER THAT BRIDGE IN THE FORTIES AND FIFTIES WHEN, WHEN THERE WAS A WOODEN BRIDGE AND YOU COULD WALK ACROSS THAT.
UM, AND, AND THAT'S NOT THERE ANYMORE.
I MEAN, THERE AREN'T REALLY LIGHTS ON THAT BRIDGE.
UH, YOU CAN, YOU CAN'T REALLY, UH, YOU CAN BARELY GET A WHEELCHAIR AND A PERSON BY THE EXISTING US ONE BRIDGE THAT'S THERE.
NOW, AGAIN, IT'S FUNCTIONAL, BUT EVEN THE US 1 92, THE BRIDGE GOING OVER TO TO, TO CAUSEWAYS, AND I'LL BRING IT TO A CLOSE, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I KNOW ALL THIS IS EXPENSIVE.
I IMAGINE IF THERE WERE LED LIGHTS AND THERE WERE BANNERS, HALF OF IT SAID, UH, IN, IN THE ATLANTIC, AND HALF OF IT SAID MELBOURNE.
BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S, IT'S JUST A BRIDGE.
BUT THERE ARE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES THAT HAVE DONE THAT.
SO THAT SAFE WALKABILITY, I, THERE'S SO MANY UNTAPPED, UH, BUSINESSES THAT, THAT WOULD LIKE TO, THAT WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT RESIDENTS THAT WOULD LIKE TO WALK ACROSS THAT.
AND RIGHT NOW THAT US ONE, UH, BRIDGE OVER CRANE CREEK AND MELBOURNE, MELBOURNE AVENUE IS, IS FUNCTIONAL, BUT I WOULDN'T CALL HER PRETTY.
SHE NEEDS A NEW VNET AND A NEW DRESS AND A NEW PAIR OF SHOES.
UM, MARK, HOW ARE YOU? HI, HOW ARE YOU? GOOD TO SEE YOU.
UM, SO A COUPLE THINGS I JUST WANT TO, YOU KNOW, BRING DOWN A LITTLE BIT LOWER YEP.
IS THAT US ONE IS NOT ON OUR PURVIEW, IS IT? IT'S UNDER THE STATE.
BOTH THE USN ONE BRIDGE AND THE MELBOURNE CAUSEWAY ARE DOT.
I, I PRESENTED DELIGHT STRUCTURE, HELL, A COUPLE YEARS BACK, YOU KNOW, WE WERE TRYING TO FIND, TRYING TO FIND THAT THEY EVEN CAPTURED SOME MORE PICTURES THAT I HAD SEEN FROM SOME OTHER COMMUNITY AND WAS GONNA PUT IT UP ON THE SCREEN.
BUT FOR WHAT REASON? YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT, BECAUSE IT'S A WANT.
UM, WE WANT THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE, WE WANT LINEAR PARK.
WE WANT ALL THE WALKABILITY AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
I GOT A, A DIRECTOR OUT HERE RIGHT.
TO SAY THAT IT WAS A $10 MILLION PROJECT FOR A WATER PROJECT.
SO WHEN, WHEN WE BALANCE OUR NEEDS AND WANTS MM-HMM
FOR THE, FOR THE SAFETY OF THE COMMUNITY, WE TAKE ALL OF IT INTO, DO I WANT TO BUILD THE BRIDGE? DO I WANT TO BUILD THE PARK? ABSOLUTELY.
I I, ANOTHER ONE, MAKE ME HAPPIER.
WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY, JUST PLAIN DON'T HAVE THE MONEY.
SO WHERE DO WE PUT THE MONIES THAT WE DO HAVE RIGHT NOW? RIGHT.
WE PUT IT INTO THE SAFETY AND SECURITY FIRE POLICE LARGEST CONTRACT THEY'VE EVER RECEIVED.
WE'RE GONNA, WE HAVE TO FUND THAT.
SO ALL THESE THINGS COME IN LINE.
I WANT YOU, WHEN I LEAVE NEXT YEAR, I WANT YOU TO RUN FOR MY SEAT.
OKAY? AND I WANT YOU TO BE THE GUY.
BUT, BUT MARK, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
WE'VE HAD THESE CONVERSATIONS YEP.
AT YOUR PROPERTY DOWNTOWN, YOU KNOW, IN, IN SOUTH MELBOURNE.
WE'VE HAD THESE CONVERSATIONS IN THE, IN, IN THE FOYER.
UM, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE, AT THIS MOMENT RIGHT NOW, ACCORDING TO THAT YOUNG MAN AND THAT YOUNG LADY OVER THERE, WE'RE FACING A TREMENDOUS BURDEN YEP.
ON SO MANY DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF OUR CITY.
AND HOW DO WE GET THERE? WE'RE GONNA STRUGGLE WITH THE, WITH THE, WITH THE MILIT TRADE.
PEOPLE DON'T WANNA RAISE TAXES.
I, I DON'T WANT TO RAISE TAXES EITHER, BUT WE HAVE TO CON HAVE TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION AS TO WHAT'S NOT GONNA GET FUNDED.
AND WHO'S GONNA GET, YOU KNOW, LESS OPPORTUNITY IN THE CITY.
I'D LOVE TO SAY I DON'T, I DON'T, I WANT THE, I DON'T WANNA PAY MORE THAN PAY MORE, BUT I, I THINK THAT RIGHT NOW, THE PRODUCT THAT IS MELBOURNE IS, IT'S NICE, IT'S NICE TO SAY WE HAVEN'T RAISED IT HERE AND WE HAVEN'T RAISED IT THERE, AND WE'RE GONNA CUT IT, WE'RE GONNA CUT IT, BUT WE'RE AT A POINT NOW WHERE WE NEED TO INVEST OR OTHERWISE WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA GET PASSED BY EVEN MORE THAN WE ALREADY ARE BY OTHER PLACES LIKE CENTURY VIE DIFFERENT PRODUCTS.
I'M NOT COMPARING APPLES TO, UM, IT'S LIKE COMPARING APPLES TO ORANGES.
BUT WE'RE ALL IN THE SAME VERY QUALITY BASKET.
BUT, AND THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT UP THE CONVERSATION IN THE BEGINNING OF THIS, WAS
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TO START TO CHUM THE WATERS THAT WE'RE NOT IN COMPETITION WITH ANY OTHER CITY.WE HAVE TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT FOR US.
IF THAT MEANS A A, A MILLAGE DECREASE.
IF THAT MEANS A MILLAGE INCREASE, OKAY.
IF THAT MEANS THAT WE STAY THE SAME, OKAY.
I'M GOING TO WORK MY TEAM UP HERE AND FIGURE OUT WHAT THE BEST PROCESS AND THE BEST AVENUE TO FOLLOW FOR THE PEOPLE THAT I SERVE.
NOT IN THE ATLANTIC, NOT ROCKLEDGE, NOT WEST MELBOURNE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY CHALLENGE, MARK.
BUT I HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR.
I'VE, I'VE HEARD YOU LOUD AND CLEAR FOR YEARS, AND WE HAVE A GREAT RELATIONSHIP ON THAT.
AND I'M JUST GRATEFUL FOR YOU AND LISA FOR BEING ENGAGED CITIZENS ON THIS AND OTHER ISSUES.
WELL, WE TRY, I GOTTA REMEMBER TO WEAR LONG PANTS WHEN I KNOW IT'S GONNA GO THIS LONG.
WELL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
BECAUSE THE CHILLER COULD GO OUT AT ANY TIME.
ALL RIGHT, MO, MOVING ON TO ITEM, I BELIEVE IT'S NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS ADOPTION OF PROPOSED MILLAGE RATES.
SO ROSS, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO PRESENT OTHER THAN WHAT YOU DID? UH, I SAW YOU WALK BACK UP, SO THAT'S WHAT I WANNA MAKE SURE YOU'RE
WHAT WAS THAT? GET THE WHOLE REST OF THIS STUFF TO GO THROUGH.
RIGHT? WELL, JUST THE, JUST THIS WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN HERE.
SO TO KICK IT OFF, DO WE HAVE ANY INITIAL MIMI, YOU I GO OPTION SIX BECAUSE WE CAN ALWAYS COME DOWN.
THAT, THAT WE COME DOWN, GO FOR IT.
YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE KNOW WE CAN'T.
GO FOR THE GOLD AND YEAH, I MEAN, WE GO FOR THAT.
WE CAN'T, IF WE GO TO, JUST AS A PROPOSED BUDGET, WE'RE STUCK THERE.
WE ALWAYS CAN COME BACK DOWN AND WE DID IT BEFORE.
WE'VE COME UP THERE AND SAID THE MAX AND THEN COME ON DOWN AND WE LOOK AT IT.
WE'VE GOT A LITTLE MORE TIME YET, SO, SO WE CAN GIVE THEM OUT TO THE PEOPLE.
THE WORST SCENARIO AS CI DON'T RECALL THE WEEK OUT FOR THAT.
I GIVE MY PEOPLE THE WORST SCENARIOS OF WHAT THEY MIGHT OWE AND THEN I WORK IT DOWN.
SO NOW ROSS, JUST FOR THE SAKE OF DISCUSSION, THAT'S A LOOK.
IS IT A, A 1.2 MILLION INCREASE OVER OPTION FIVE? CORRECT.
WHAT DOES THAT, DID YOU HAVE A THOUGHT OR DID YOU AND JENNY THINK ABOUT WHAT THAT MIGHT GO TO IF IT WENT ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE FINISH LINE? SO WE'VE, WE'VE HAD VERY PRELIMINARY DISCUSSIONS AND I, AND FORGIVE ME, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK OVER FOR JENNY, BUT, UM, SO WHEN WE THINK ABOUT WHAT'S PRESENTED TO YOU RIGHT NOW AND THE OPTIONS THAT ARE OUT THERE, UH, IF YOU WERE TO THINK ABOUT WHAT THE 2015 PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PROGRAM WAS TARGETING MM-HMM
IS ROUGHLY THAT 6 MILLION, 6.1 MILLION, UH, TO KEEP ROADS IN FAIR CONDITION, RIGHT? MM-HMM
SO YOU CAN ACHIEVE THAT BY GOING ON OPTION THREE.
IF YOU WANNA ALSO ACHIEVE THE ABILITY FOR US TO FUND OUR MACHINE AND EQUIPMENT AT A LEVEL WHERE WE'RE NOT DEFERRING.
AND THEN I CAN BUDGET A LITTLE BIT MORE LEANLY SO THAT WE'RE NOT HAVING TO RELY ON CONTINGENCIES TO KIND OF FILL THE GAPS WHERE THINGS HAVE GONE CATASTROPHICALLY WRONG.
LIKE, GOD FORBID A CHILLER GOING OUT AT, AT CITY HALL.
AND I'M GONNA KEEP SAYING IT THREE TIMES DO BECOMES A TRIGGER.
I'M JUST SAYING I'M GONNA PROVE A POINT.
UM, BUT WELL, HOPEFULLY NOT IN SUMMER, BUT, UM, TOMORROW.
BUT IF YOU WERE TO DO ANYTHING BEYOND THAT POINT, UH, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT ELSE IS IN THIS BOOK, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT SOME OF THE PROJECTS IN HERE THAT ARE, THAT ARE CONSIDERED CIP, THAT ARE GENERAL FUND, CIP, THESE ARE THINGS THAT ARE, UH, LIKE THE DOUBLE ROAD PROJECT, LIKE THE FOUNTAIN, UH, HEAD BRIDGE PROJECT, UM, THINGS LIKE THE, UH, REPLACEMENT FIRE STATIONS, UH, THE TEMPORARY FIRE STATION, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
WE'RE RELYING ON SAVINGS IN OTHER AREAS OF THE BUDGET TO, TO BASICALLY FUND THAT.
IF THERE'S A DEDICATED SOURCE OF FUNDING FOR IT, I DON'T HAVE TO BUDGET WITH CONTINGENCIES MM-HMM
OR AT LEAST AS MUCH OF A CONTINGENCY.
SO IT'S EITHER THE, THE, THE KNOWLEDGE OF HAVING SOMETHING DEDICATED TO IT OR I HAVE TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE CONSERVATIVE THAN MAYBE IS NECESSARY.
OTHERWISE WE'LL JUST NEVER GET TO THOSE PROJECTS.
CHATTING, I'M GONNA GIVE A MUCH SHORTER ANSWER, SORRY.
AND THAT'S, I MEAN, ROSS SAID THAT, BUT WE, THERE ARE ITEMS IN THE CIP PROJECTS THAT WERE PUSHED TO RED AND THAT IS DEFINITELY, THOSE ARE THE FIRST ONES.
AND WE WOULD, WE WOULD COME BACK TO YOU IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANTED ON.
HERE ARE THE THINGS WE WOULD BE ADDING TO THE LIST.
MY OTHER, MY, IF, IF WE GO TO OPTION SIX OR EVEN OPTION FIVE, WE STAY AT, WHAT I'M PROPOSING IS STAY AT THE, AS THE,
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KEEP THE BUDGETED RATE WHERE IT IS.BUT ANYTHING OVER IT HAS TO GO TO CIP CIPS.
THAT'S WHAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S MY BIGGEST DIRECTION BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE THEN, THEN YOU HAVE, UM, TO GET THINGS DONE THAT HAS TO GET DONE.
I, I'M, LIKE I SAID, I'M BACK TO THAT WALL.
WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M LOOKING AT GOING DOWN THE STREET, AND I SEEN THIS ROAD DIG DUG UP ON SARNO ROAD EVERY YEAR FOR SOMETHING GOING OUT IN LIKE AT CHRISTMAS TIME IN THE MIDDLE OF CROTON AND SARNO AND SEEING MEN DOWN THERE, GROWN MEN DOWN THERE IN THE HEAT.
THIS IS GONNA KEEP HAPPENING, YOU KNOW, LIKE, AND AS MR. LARUSSA SAYS, THEY'RE NEWER DEVELOPMENT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT SOME OF THE VIRA AND ALL THAT.
BUT THEY'RE GONNA START COMING, THEY'RE STARTING TO BE THERE 20 YEARS, 40 YEARS.
THEY'RE GONNA START HAVING ISSUES UP THERE THAT WE'RE HAVING TOO.
BUT THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY STILL HAVE A LOT OF BUILD OUT.
SO THEY HAVE THAT EXTRA MONEY, BUT THEY'RE GONNA BE COMING UP WITH US IF THEY DON'T DO, OF COURSE THEY'RE ALL, THEY'RE ALL COUNTY, BUT YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME UP WITH SOME OF THESE AREAS.
UM, LIKE THAT, THAT'S A COUNTY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA BE COMING UP WITH EQUIPMENT, EQUIPMENT BEING, HAVING TO BE REVITALIZED.
SO I'M JUST SAYING IF WE GO WITH OPTION FIVE, THE NUCLEAR, UH, SIX, BUT WE, OR SIX, I'M SORRY.
WE DID SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND I, BECAUSE I, I HAVE PROPERTY THAT IS NOT, UH, HOMESTEADED.
BACK IN, I THINK IT WAS 2016 WHEN YOU DID THE ROAD, WAS THAT WHEN THE ROAD WAS TWO 16 OR TWO 15, IN 2014, THERE WAS A 10% TAX INCREASE INCREASE, UH, THAT WAS PRIMARILY TO FUND THE PAVEMENT RENT MANAGEMENT PROGRAM AT THAT DIMINISHED RATE THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING.
UH, THAT AMOUNT THERE IN 2016, THAT'S 10%.
THAT WAS TO FUND THE REPLACEMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY VEHICLES BECAUSE WE HAD, UH, BEGUN EXPERIENCING FAILURES IN THOSE FLEETS AT A RATHER ALARMING RATE, UM, BY REFERENCE IN THIS INSTANCE, BY USING THE SAME METRIC, UH, THAT, UH, PERCENTAGE INCREASE WOULD BE 14.96, LIKE YOU'VE SAID, YOU CAN PUT THAT OUT THERE ON THE TRIM NOTICE THAT JUST SAYS THAT'S THE HIGHEST WE CAN GO.
UH, ANYTHING BELOW THAT YOU CAN ABSOLUTELY COME DOWN TO AT EITHER, UH, I BELIEVE AT THE SEPTEMBER HEARINGS AT ANY POINT.
SO LEWIS, I DON'T WANNA GET THE CART IN FRONT OF THE HORSE.
UM, BASICALLY TONIGHT, IF I'M CORRECT, IS THAT OUR JOB TONIGHT IS TO PICK THE HIGHEST RATE THAT WE'RE WILLING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR NEGOTIATIONS WITH.
WE'RE NOT, IF, IF WE GOT SOMETHING TO SELL AND I'VE GOT A LOT TO SELL MM-HMM
I MEAN, WHEN WE GO BACK INTO THE SEP WHEN WE START THE SEPTEMBER BUDGET, UH, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC, UH, UH, COMMENT, BUDGET, PUBLIC, UH, PUBLIC, THAT'S OUR TIME TO COME TOGETHER AND THAT'S OUR TIME TO MAKE OUR CASE AS TO WHY IT SHOULD BE 1, 2, 3, OR FOUR TONIGHT.
YOU KNOW, OUR JOB IS JUST TO GET THIS DONE AND THEN MOVE FORWARD SO THAT YOU HAVE A PARAMETER IN WHICH TO THINK THAT MAYBE THEN YOU COME BACK TO US AND TELL US THAT.
WELL, IF YOU GO TO NUMBER THREE INSTEAD OF NUMBER ONE, SO NUMBER TWO, YOU GIVE US OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO THINK ABOUT.
'CAUSE WE CAN'T THINK ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITIES RIGHT NOW 'CAUSE YOU HAVEN'T PRESENTED 'EM TO IT EXCEPT FOR A DEFERRED M AND E 1.35 AND 2 MILLION FROM ROWS.
AND SO I DON'T, LIKE I SAID, DO WE HAVE TO SPEND IT ON THE ROWS? NO.
SO ALL OF THIS IS, IS AWESOME CONVERSATION.
UM, I'M NOT GONNA THROUGH GO THROUGH MY, MY INDIVIDUAL LINE ITEM BUDGET.
I DID THAT WITH YOU AND MARLA AND JENNY AT OUR ONE-ON-ONE.
SO I'M PRETTY COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT I UNDERSTAND ABOUT THAT RIGHT NOW.
UM, SO, AND ALWAYS KEEPING IN MIND ALSO, WE, UH, MESSED OURSELVES UP OVER THE YEARS BY NOT INCREASING THE WATER IN THE SEWER.
SO NOW WHERE ARE WE NOW YOU, YOU'RE PROJECTING 10.5% CORRECT.
AND THEN NEXT YEAR YOU'RE PROJECTING 14%.
IT'S GONNA BE SIMILAR FOR ABOUT A FIVE YEAR PERIOD.
SO KEEPING ALL THAT IN MIND AS WELL TOO, YOU KNOW, SO ALL THESE MOVING PARTS.
SO I JUST THINK THAT WE'VE GOTTA FIGURE OUT, IF YOU WANT TO GO NUMBER SIX, WE'LL, WE'LL GO TO NUMBER SIX.
I MEAN, BUT BECAUSE WE HAVE THAT WHOLE RANGE, IT'S NOT A SELL TONIGHT.
IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR STAFF TO BE ABLE TO COME BACK.
AND IF WE'RE ADAMANT AND WE'RE, WE'RE THE MOST CONSERVATIVE CITY IN THIS COUNTY AND WE'RE NEVER GONNA RAISE TAXES, WE'RE GONNA, THEN THAT'S A FOUR OR FIVE VOTE, THEN THAT'S A FOUR THREE VOTE.
SO DO YOU HAVE, WHERE'S YOUR OPTION? WELL, I WANNA GET HIS OPTION THEN WE COULD GO BACK TO YOU JUST WHERE THAT CIRCUIT FINISH THOUGHT.
ARE YOU, WHICH OPTION ARE YOU AT THAT YOU WOULD SAY THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO COMING AT OR AS YOU HAVE A PRIORITY THAT'S IMPORTANT TO YOU? I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION AND I UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGES THAT, UH, THE DYS VIDEO CITY IS FACING FOR MANY YEARS, AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE UNDER AND WHAT WE'RE ABOUT TO GO UNDER IN REGARD TO MOVING MONEY AND OR NOT HAVING THE MONEY TO MOVE.
UM, NOT FOR, NOT, NOT, I'M NOT GONNA SAY NO OR YES, BUT I'LL SUPPORT, UH, THE MS. HANLEY'S, UH, OPTION SIX SO
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THAT WE HAVE ROOM, ROOM FOR CONVERSATION.THIS IS NOT ENGRAVED IN STONE.
THIS IS NOT THE DEAD, THE DROP DEAD NUMBER.
IT GIVES US A BROAD BRUSH AND IT GIVES YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO SELL US AS WELL AS TO ME TO SELL THEM.
IS THAT, WOULD THAT BE A FAIR AS ASCENSION? YES.
SO I, I, SO I WOULD SAY THAT I, I SUPPORT, UH, THE, THE NUMBER SIX.
IF MS. HANLEY WANTS TO MAKE THAT MOTION, I WILL SECOND, WELL, IT'S ON MOTION, IT'S CONSENSUS.
BUT MS. HANLEY, MY, MY THING IS THOUGH, I, OH, NOW WE'RE DOING MOTIONS.
HE'S GIVEN ME A, A LOGISTICAL ISSUE.
THAT'S WHY YOU'RE THE VICE MAYOR.
SO I, SO ITEM, ITEM, HE TOLD ME NO EARLIER, I
ITEM FOUR IS NOW WHERE THERE'S MORE OFFICIAL ACTION.
AND SO TO THE EXTENT THERE'S ANY MORE PUBLIC COMMENT, I WOULD ALSO RECOMMEND MAKING SURE YOU HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE TAKING ACTION ON ITEM FOUR.
YOU KNOW, YOU TALK ABOUT WATER RATES.
I HAVE DOING WHAT, WHAT I DO, I GET TO SEE DIFFERENT PEOPLE'S WATER RATES.
AND THE SAME PERSON IN WEST MELBOURNE THAT DOESN'T, ONE PERSON JUST LIKE ME, UM, THEIR WATER, THEIR WATER BILL IS DOUBLE THAN WHAT WE PAY AT THIS TIME IN MELBOURNE.
SO, AND THEY DON'T COMPLAIN, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, EVEN GO OUT.
'CAUSE I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, GOING UP, USED TO BE MY BILL WAS $36, NOW IT'S 40, 40 SOME DOLLARS.
THAT ONE PERSON IN WEST MELBOURNE IS 90 SOME $94 I THINK I GAVE IT.
SO WE'RE STILL UNDER, IF YOU'RE IN THE CITY OF MELBOURNE.
'CAUSE THE CITY OF WEST MELBOURNE GIVES THEM A SURCHARGE TO, UH, AN ADDITIONAL SURCHARGE.
IT, IT, I'LL BRING THE BILL IN.
I'LL TAKE THE PERSON'S STUFF OUT SO YOU GUYS CAN SEE IT.
SO YOU CAN REALLY SEE THE WHOLE BILL.
I, I'LL HAVE JENNY AND SO THAT YOU GUYS CAN SEE WHAT AT THIS TIME.
AND, AND THE PERSON THAT I'M GONNA SHOW THE BILL OF IS A ONE, UM, ONE PERSON HOUSEHOLD.
SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT THEY'RE PAYING.
IT'S A RETIRED PERSON SO THEY'RE NOT GOING OUT AND, YOU KNOW, WASHING EVERY DAY AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO YOU GUYS CAN GET AN IDEA OF WHAT THE OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE PAYING, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE SUPPLYING THE WATER.
SO WE'RE JUST LIKE, SO I JUST WANNA GIVE YOU AN IDEA SO THAT WE'RE NOT OUT OF THE REINS WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE PRICES INCREASES.
WE WILL HAVE A, A COMPARISON TO OTHER, UH, LIKES SIZE UTILITIES AND, AND IN THAT REGARD TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT IN, IN AN UN UNCOMPETITIVE POSITION.
WE REALLY WAS SHOCKED ME BECAUSE, I MEAN, 'CAUSE I SAW THE BILL AND I WAS LIKE, OH MY GOSH.
YOU KNOW, THAT IT, IT IT, ONE PERSON NOT TAKING A SHOT, YOU KNOW, NOT DOUBLE THREE OR FOUR SHOWERS A DAY AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND THEIR BILL WAS 90 SOME ODD DOLLARS A MONTH AND VICE MAYOR.
WHAT I'M GONNA SAY TONIGHT IS THAT, TO YOUR POINT, MS. HANLEY, WE MAKE THE WATER OR WE PRODUCE IT, RIGHT? SO AS A PRODUCER, WE GET BENEFITS OF DISCOUNTS SOMEHOW OR OTHER BY BEING HERE.
WE SELL THE WATER FOR A PROFIT.
NOW, IF THEY'RE WILLING TO PAY $91, THAT'S GREAT AND I'M WILLING TO PAY $46.
LIKE YOURSELF, THAT'S EVEN GREAT.
SO, SO, AND BECAUSE JENNIFER OUT THERE IS LOOKING FOR MORE MONEY, PERIOD, END OF PARAGRAPH, YOU KNOW, SO I'M JUST SAYING, I GET THAT THEY'RE PAYING 91 AND WE'RE PAYING 46.
SO IF WE GOTTA GO UP 10%, SO I'M PAYING $4 AND 60 CENTS MORE, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY IS WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO.
BUT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS, WHERE WE'RE AT, WHAT, WHAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE PAYING JUST FOR THE SAME SERVICE, LIKE I SAID, AND I WAS REALLY SURPRISED THAT THEY PUT A SURCHARGE, AN ADDITIONAL SUR NOT JUST ON WATER, BUT THEN THEY HAD A SURCHARGE ON TOP OF IT.
LIKE I SAID, WITH THE, WITH THE, UH, WITH THE MILIT RATES, IT'S NOT MY CITY, IT'S THEIR CITY.
I KNOW WHAT I GOTTA DO HERE FOR US NOW.
AND GOING INTO THE YEAR, THEY WANT TO PAY THE $91.
YOU DON'T LIKE IT MOVE SOUTH FAR.
WAIT UNTIL THEY GET THEIR NEW WA THEIR WATER SYSTEM, WHAT THEY'RE GONNA BE PAYING THEN.
I'M, I I'M, I'M SORRY IF I, I'VE GONE OVER MY MR. SMITH, YOU GOT THOUGHTS? UH, UH, THANK YOU VICE MAYOR.
UH, MY THOUGHTS WOULD BE I, UH, BEFORE, BEFORE, UH, THE DISCUSSION THAT WE JUST HAD, UH, I WAS LEANING MORE TOWARDS, UH, MORE REALISTIC, UH, EITHER OPTION THREE OR OPTION FOUR, BUT I CAN AGREE WITH THE DISCUSSION AND THE WAY THAT IT WAS PRESENTED TONIGHT TO, UH, CONSIDER OPTION SIX AND THEN, UH, AND THEN THAT ALLOWS, UH, UH, ROSS AND STAFF TO, TO SORT OF, UM, PLAN FOR THAT.
AND THEN IF, AND THEN IF WITH OUR DISCOURSE WE DECIDE THAT, YOU KNOW, WELL WITH THAT, YOU KNOW,
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WE'LL HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME AND THEN MAYBE WE COME BACK DOWN TO A MORE REALISTIC CHANGE.OR MAYBE THAT IS CHANGE, OR MAYBE THAT IS THE NUMBER THAT WE STAY AT AND WE MAY STAY WITH THE, YOU KNOW, BUT IT GIVES US OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE IT GIVES US, BECAUSE IT'S A COUPLE THINGS THAT'S BEEN STATED TONIGHT.
UM, LINGERING PROJECTS, UH, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT AESTHETICS OF OUR CITY, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THESE ARE THINGS THAT I THINK WE COULD, UH, WITH ENOUGH FUNDING, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT TO TO COMPLETELY FUND A HUNDRED PERCENT OF EVERYTHING, BUT WITH ENOUGH FUNDING WE COULD REALLY START TO IMPROVE, YOU KNOW, THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF OUR RESIDENTS ACROSS THE TOTAL CITY.
IN PARTICULAR OUR AREAS WHERE, WHERE SOCIAL LIFE AND, YOU KNOW, WHERE PEOPLE ARE LOOKING TO, TO HAVE LEISURE ACTIVITY AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
YOU KNOW, SO, SO TONIGHT HAS BEEN VERY EYE-OPENING FOR ME.
UH, BUT, UH, UH, SO VICE MAYOR, I, I WOULD ALSO AGREE WITH, UH, OPS AND, UH, SIX FROM TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION.
NOW, WELCOME TO THE BIG SHOW,
NOW, JUST TO MY CLARIFICATION ON THIS, TO MAKE SURE I GOT THIS RIGHT, ROSS.
SO WHEN SOMETHING IS PICKED HERE, 'CAUSE WE ALREADY GOT THREE FOR SIX, UH, THAT'S GONNA GO OUT IN A MAILER TO FOLKS AND BE PUBLISHED AND IT GOES DOWN.
SO JUST BE AWARE THAT YOU MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE MORE THAN MR. INE
'CAUSE I WAS COMING IN LOOKING AT, I AT LEAST WANTED 2 MILLION FOR ROADS.
SO I'M LIKE, OH MAN, I'M, EVERYONE'S GONNA BE LIKE, YOU KNOW, OPTION THREE.
DAVE'S GOING A LITTLE BIT WILD HERE, BUT CLEARLY WE ARE GOING ABOVE THAT.
SO I'M JUST GONNA GO WITH THE REST OF THE CONSENSUS WITH MS. SANDERS OVER HERE.
YOU'RE KIND, KIND, SO I FEEL FOR YOU.
UM, I FEEL FOR YOU VICE FAIR BECAUSE I WAS COMING IN AT THE 1 MILLION THAT'S COMING IN, COMING TO 1 MILLION, THEN I'M LIKE, OH, THE ROADS AND GETTING TO THAT 6 MILLION.
UM, SO THEN AS I'M SITTING HERE, I'M THINKING OPTION THREE, BUT THEN I'M LOOKING IN HERE AND ALL THAT M AND E THAT HAS BEEN PUSHED OUT AND IT'S ALL RED, MEANING IT'S IMPERATIVE.
SO I'M GOOD WITH GOING WITH THE OPTION SIX, JUST SO WE CAN SEE ALL THE OPTIONS AND WHAT WE CAN BRING BACK INTO THE BUDGET FROM HERE FOR THOSE IMPERATIVE PROJECTS AND THE ROADS AND THE M AND EM AND E.
THE OTHER THING IS THOSE TARIFFS, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN? I MEAN, WE HAVE WITHIN THE TIME THAT WE HAVE TO PUT THE BUDGET, WE'VE GOT IT HERE.
SO WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH TARIFFS? I MEAN, WE KNOW SOME THINGS HAVE GONNA STABILIZE, BUT THEN OTHER THINGS WE DON'T KNOW.
SO THIS GIVES US WIGGLE ROOM SURE.
I'M, I'M MORE SO CONCERNED ABOUT HOW IT GO.
LIKE YOU CAN MAYBE GET ME UP TO FIVE SOMEDAY AND I GET WHERE YOU GUYS ARE GOING WITH IT AND THAT MIGHT BE AT THE NEXT ONE, BUT I'M CURRENTLY HAVING A HARD TIME THERE.
MS. BASSETT, WHERE ARE YOU AT? THEY, THEY ALREADY GOT THERE, THERE TOTAL, BUT THERE JUST, IT'S JUST FOR YOUR DISCUSSION POINT HERE.
I I THINK YOU ALREADY POSTED IT, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER.
UH, WHAT WOULD, IF WE, IF WE DID SETTLE ON AND ADOPT OPTION SIX AND WHEN WENT FOR, WHAT WOULD THAT INCREASE BE TO A SINGLE HOUSEHOLD? YOU, SO THAT ONE PAGE, RIGHT? $114 THAT HERE IS $116 AND 77 CENTS.
BY COMPARISON, WHAT WE'VE PRESENTED TO YOU TONIGHT IN THE BUDGET WITHOUT ANY OF THOSE ADDITIONAL REVENUES IS $46 AND 83 CENTS.
UH, ONE OTHER CONSIDERATION YOU CAN HAVE THERE, AND I, AND AGAIN, TO MR. LU'S POINT, I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE'RE DOING, TRYING TO DO APPLES TO APPLES, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE AVERAGE TAX BILL OR MEDIAN TAX BILL FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOME ACROSS THE OTHER CITIES, UH, THAT WOULD PUT US AT 8 97, 22 AT OPTION SIX.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THAT SOME OF THE BEACHSIDE COMMUNITIES ARE A BIT HIGHER BECAUSE OF THE HIGHER MEDIAN TAXABLE VALUE.
SOME OF THE CITIES ARE LOWER BECAUSE THEY HAVE A LOWER MEDIAN TAXABLE VALUE AND A LOWER MILLAGE OR A HIGHER MILLAGE.
IT ALL DEPENDS ON THOSE COUPLE FACTORS.
BUT YEAH, I'M A, I'M A FAN OF, UM, DOING OPTION SIX BECAUSE WE CAN AL IT GIVES US THAT WIGGLE ROOM AS EVERYONE SAYS, WE CAN ALWAYS GO DOWN, BUT THIS AT LEAST GIVES US THE OPTION.
UH, SO THEN I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO BELABOR THIS MR. LUSO.
NO, I DON'T WANNA BELABOR EITHER, BUT I, I JUST ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO IN, NOT IN THAT GRAPH THERE, THE PROPOSED MILLAGE, TAKE YOUR EYE OFF AT THE PROPOSED MILLAGE AND PUT IT ON THE FURTHEST RIGHT HAND COLUMN AS TO WHAT EACH HOUSEHOLD IS PAYING ON A REGULAR BASIS.
AGAIN, I DO NOT WANT TO COMPARE OURSELVES TO THAT.
AND ONE MORE TIME THOUGH, DAVID, I KNOW THAT I, I KNOW THE CONSERVATIVE NATURE OF WHO, WHO YOU ARE AND WHERE YOU COME FROM AND WHAT YOU BELIEVE.
I BELIEVE THE, I HAVE THE SAME VALUES MM-HMM
BUT THIS GIVES US CHOICES SURE.
TO PERFORM THE SERVICES FOR THE CITY.
I'M NOT SAYING I'M GONNA GO WITH THE, WITH NUMBER SIX SURE.
BUT I'M NOT SAYING, I'M NOT SURE, BUT I GOT, BUT I'VE GOT AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE UP MY MIND BASED ON MORE INFORMATION.
'CAUSE I DON'T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION RIGHT NOW.
EXCEPT FOR WHAT'S IN HERE, RIGHT? NO, NO, I GET IT.
I, I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE MY MIND.
LIKE TODAY, I'M NOT SURE I COULD GO THERE, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
WE CAN, THAT'S, THAT'S UP TO YOU.
BUT THAT'S, IT'S NOT PERSONAL.
ANYBODY HERE BUT ALRIGHT THEN.
IS THAT WHEN YOU WORRY ABOUT THE PEOPLE COMING IN THROUGH THE FRONT DOOR ABOUT THE BUDGET MEETING, I THINK THE MOST
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WE'VE EVER HAD HERE IS FIVE.THIS HAS BEEN THE MOST IN MY TENURE.
HUH? THIS HAS BEEN THE MOST IN MY TENURE.
YOU KNOW, THEY ALL WANNA WATCH ON TV.
NOBODY REALLY WANTS SEND, THEY'LL SEND A BUNCH OF EMAILS, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE, YOU KNOW, PITCHFORKS AND, AND TORCHES OUT AT THE FRONT, YOU KNOW.
2010 WAS A SPECIAL YEAR WHEN IT CAME TO TAXING AND GOVERNMENTS AND IT'S, IT'S SCARRED ME FOR LIFE.
UM, MR. SMITH, I I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE AS WE, AS WE START TO CLOSE THIS UP, THE PROPOSED TAX AMOUNT IS THE 8 97 22 AT OPTION SIX.
RIGHT? SO EVEN AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE ANNUAL TAX INCREASE, THE, THE FINAL AVERAGE AMOUNT IS THE 8 97 22.
BASED ON A, A TAXABLE VALUE OF 124,000.
THAT IS FOR MEDIAN SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
UM, BEFORE I, I'M GONNA CALL FOR, OH, SO VICE MAYOR, A COUPLE PROCEDURAL THINGS, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
ONE, ONE I'M GONNA RECOMMEND, OH, YOU WANNA DO PUBLIC COMMENT? I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA RECOMMEND ASKING FOR ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE ADOPTION OF THE PROPOSED, UM, MILLAGE RATES.
AND THEN YOU'LL SEE IN YOUR AGENDA PACKETS, THERE'S TWO PROPOSED ITEMS FOR, FOR ADOPTION OF THE MILLAGE RATES.
THE FIRST ONE IS FOR THE OPERATING MILLAGE RATE.
THAT'S THE NUMBERS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW.
UM, OBVIOUSLY WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE AGENDA PACK, THE, UM, THE ORIGINAL PROPOSED, UM, BUDGET AS IS MILLAGE RATE IS IN THERE.
AND SO IF COUNCIL IS LOOKING TO DO OPTION SIX, I WILL RECOMMEND, UM, SUBSTITUTING THE 7.2342 NUMBER, UM, FOR THAT WITHIN THE AGENDA PACK.
AND THEN SEPARATELY THERE'LL BE A SEPARATE, UM, MOTION AND VOTE ON THE ADOPTION OF THE PROPOSED DEBT SERVICE MILLAGE RATE, WHICH ROSS WENT THROUGH KIND OF QUICKLY.
SO IF, IF THERE'S FURTHER DISCUSSIONS OR QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT SEPARATE MILLAGE, I'M SURE HE'S HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.
BUT PER, PER, THE ONLY THING PER THIS DISCUSSION, THEY'RE, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT OPTION SIX.
THEY'RE ONLY GONNA MAKE THAT MOTION, UM, BASED ON NUMBER ONE, WHICH IS THE TOP ITEM, NOT THE DEATH SERVICE.
THEY WON'T EVEN TOUCH THAT NUMBER, THEY JUST REPEAT WHAT'S ON THE PAPER FOR YOU FOR THAT.
SO THE FIRST MOTION WILL BE EXACTLY AS ADAM DESCRIBED.
IT WOULD BE IN REPLACING THE 7.2 3 2 3 4 2 IN LIEU OF THE 6.6703.
AND THEN YOU'D MAKE A SECOND MOTION TO ACCEPT THE DEBT SERVICE MILLAGE RATE AS IT'S SHOWN THERE AT 0.2977.
JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT LOOPED IN HERE IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR I KNOW.
NO, WE'VE TRADITIONALLY DONE THEM SEPARATELY JUST BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE OPERATING MILLAGE BEING A LITTLE BIT MORE VARIABLE.
AND THEN, UH, SO LET'S PUBLIC COMMENT.
DOES ANYBODY WANNA MAKE A MOTION? I MAKE A MOTION.
ALRIGHT, MS. HANLEY, UH, FOR THE ADOPTION PROPOSED OPERATING MILL RATE OF 7.234 FOR THE FISCAL YEAR.
UM, FOR THE, UH, FISCAL YEAR 2026.
ALRIGHT, I GOT A MOTION BY MS. HANLEY, A SECOND BY MS. PASSA.
IS THIS ROLL CALL ADAM OR WOULD YOU LIKE GET VOICE MOTION? A VOICE MOTION.
AND THEN, UH, ANOTHER OPTION, ANOTHER MOTION ADOPTION OF THE PROPOSED DEBT SERVICE MILLAGE RATE OF 0.2977 FOR THE FISCAL YEAR.
I WON'T GET SCARED ON THE DEBT.
UH, THAT ADJOURNS OUR MEETING.