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UM, JENNY, DO WE NEED ANY INTERMISSION OR ANYTHING? FIVE MINUTES OR YOU WANNA ROLL RIGHT IN? I THINK WE JUST NEED, WE DON'T NEED, WE DON'T NEED ANYTHING.
WHAT NEEDS TO BE REGISTER, BE FINE.
UM, KEVIN, DO YOU HAVE THE, UH, WHAT'S JULY 22ND.
ALRIGHT EVERYBODY, WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, I'M GONNA CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER FOR OUR REGULAR BUSINESS MEETING.
WELCOME TO THE JULY 22ND REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
BEFORE WE BEGIN THE MEETING, LET ME REVIEW THE PROCEDURES FOR THE MEETING.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK COMPLETE A REQUEST TO SPEAK FORM LOCATED AT THE ENTRANCE TO THE COUNCIL CHAMBER AND SUBMIT THE COMPLETED FORM TO THE SERGEANT IN ARMS. WHEN YOUR NAME HAS BEEN CALLED, USE THE MICROPHONE AT THE LECTERN ON THE AUDIENCE'S RIGHT AND EITHER STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS OR YOUR NAME AND CITY.
SPEAK TO CITY COUNCIL'S A BODY.
DO NOT ADDRESS THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS INDIVIDUALLY.
BE MINDFUL OF THE TIMER ON THE LECTERN AND WRAP UP YOUR COMMENTS BEFORE.
THE TIME LIMITS ARE POSTED ON THE REQUEST TO SPEAK FORM.
AN APPLICANT REPRESENTATIVE OR PERSON WHO HAS LEGAL STANDING TO SUPPORT OR OPPOSE A QUASI-JUDICIAL MATTER WILL BE PERMITTED ENOUGH TIME AS REASONABLY DETERMINED BY THE CITY COUNCIL TO CREATE A RECORD BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL.
ANY PERSON WHO MAKES PERSONAL IMPERTINENT OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS OR BECOMES BOISTEROUS OR DISRESPECTFUL WHILE ADDRESSING THE CITY COUNCIL WILL BE ORDERED TO LEAVE THE COUNCIL CHAMBER.
WE'LL BEGIN WITH THE INVOCATION.
IF YOU WISH TO PARTICIPATE, PLEASE STAND.
THE INVOCATION WILL BE DONE BY PASTOR JONES OF GREATER FAITH HILL TEMPLE CHURCH.
GOOD EVENING, GOOD EVENING ONCE AGAIN.
HEAVEN OF FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS DAY.
WE THANK YOU FOR LIFE, HEALTH AND STRENGTH.
THANK YOU FOR BEING CLOSED IN OUR RIGHT MINDS, THE USE AND ACTIVITY OF OUR LIMBS.
YOU'LL REMIND US IN THE HOLY SCRIPTURE.
PRAISE YOU, THE LORD THE HOLY SCRIPTURE SAID IN ONE TIMOTHY TWO AND FOUR, I RESULT THEREFORE, FIRST OF ALL, SUFFOCATION PRAYERS, INTERCESSION OF GIVING.
A THANKS BE MADE FOR ALL MENS AND FOR KINGS AND FOR ALL THAT ARE IN AUTHORITY.
WE PRAY FOR OUR PRESIDENT AND OUR GOVERNOR.
AND LORD WE PRAY YOUR BLESSING UPON THIS CITY OF MELBOURNE.
AND WE THANK YOU FOR THE LEADERSHIP.
WE PRAY FOR YOUR BLESSING UPON OUR MAYOR AND EVERY CITY COUNCIL, MAN AND WOMAN, WE PRAY FOR THE CITY MANAGER AND WE PRAY FOR THE CITY ETERNITY.
ATTORNEY, WE PRAY FOR ALL THE LEADERSHIP OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE.
FATHER, WE BLESS EVERY EMPLOYMENT, EVERY EMPLOYEES, EVERY LAW ENFORCEMENT, EVERY FIRST RESPONDER.
WE BLESS EVERY BUSINESS IN EVERY RESIDENTIAL IN THE CITY OF MELBOURNE.
THE SCRIPTURE SAID IN PSALM 1 27 AND ONE, EXCEPT THE LORD, KEEP THE CITY THE WATCHMAN.
WATCH IN VAIN, LORD KEEP THE CITY OF MELBOURNE DURING THE HURRICANE SEASON, DURING THE TORNADO SEASON AND DURING FLOODS.
LORD, KEEP US FATHER IN THE NAME OF JESUS.
SO I PRAY YOUR BLESSING WILL CONTINUE UPON THIS CITY.
THAT IT MAY GROW AND IT MAY PROSPER.
AND I ASK ALL THESE BLESSING IN THE NAME OF OUR LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST.
ALRIGHT, I GOING TO PHIL JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
ALRIGHT, ROLL CALL MR. MCEWEN.
COUNCIL MEMBER KENNEDY IS NOT HERE.
COUNCIL MEMBER LARUSSO PRESENT.
AND MAYOR ALFRE IS NOT HERE THIS EVENING.
ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA GO TO PROCLAMATIONS AND PRESENTATIONS.
DO WE HAVE ANYBODY HERE FOR THE FLORIDA WATER PROFESSIONALS MONTH? THEY CAN COME ON UP.
ARE YOU TOM? THANK YOU GUYS FOR COMING.
TOM, YOU'RE THE ONE WITH OFFICIAL NAME ON IT SO YOU'RE HANGING OUT OVER HERE.
PROCLAMATION, CITY OF MELBOURNE, FLORIDA.
WHEREAS THE FLORIDA WATER AND POLLUTION CONTROL OPERATORS ASSOCIATION ORGANIZED
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IN 1940 IS A NONPROFIT TRADE ORGANIZATION THAT PROMOTES THE SUSTAINABILITY OF FLORIDA'S WATER UTILITY INDUSTRY THROUGH WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT TO PROTECT THE HEALTH OF FLORIDA CITIZENS AND TO PRESERVE THE STATE'S WATER RESOURCES.AND WHEREAS THIS ORGANIZATION OFFERS WATER AND WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLAN OPERATORS AND WATER DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM OPERATOR TRAINING COURSES REQUIRED FOR THE STATE OF FLORIDA OPERATOR LICENSES, MULTIPLE VOLUNTARY CERTIFICATION PROGRAMS AND CONTINUING EDUCATION PROGRAMS FOR OPERATOR LICENSE RENEWAL.
AND WHEREAS THIS ORGANIZATION IN RECOGNIZING THE IMPORTANCE OF THE FLORIDA STATUTES AND ADMINISTRATIVE CODE, THAT REGULAR, THAT REGULATE THE WATER INDUSTRY ACTS AS LIAISON BETWEEN THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AND INDUSTRY PERSONNEL.
AND WHEREAS THE WATER, THE FLORIDA WATER AND POLLUTION CONTROL OPERATORS ASSOCIATION RECOGNIZES ALL THOSE WHO HAVE PLAYED A SIGNIFICANT PART IN OPERATING AND MAINTAINING DRINKING WATER, WASTEWATER AND STORM WATER SYSTEMS IN FLORIDA BY CELEBRATING FLORIDA WATER PROFESSIONALS MONTH, WHICH APPLAUDS THEIR CONSTANT EFFORTS TO PROTECT OUR HEALTH AND ENVIRONMENT.
AND WHEREAS WATER PROFESSIONALS ARE OFTEN EMERGENCY RESPONDERS DURING STORMS AND OTHER CATASTROPHIC EVENTS WORKING TO ENSURE SAFE DRINKING WATER AND SAFE DISPOSAL OF WASTEWATER FOR OUR COMMUNITIES.
NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT I, PAUL ALFRE MAYOR, CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM AUGUST, 2025 AS FLORIDA WATER PROFESSIONALS MONTH AND OFFER APPRECIATION TO ALL WATER INDUSTRY EMPLOYEES FOR THEIR SERVICE TO THE CITIZENS OF MELBOURNE AND CUSTOMERS OF MELBOURNE WATER SYSTEM.
WITNESS BY HAND THE SEAL OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE THIS 22ND DAY OF JULY, 2025.
SO, TOMMY, DID YOU HAVE ANY THINGS THAT YOU WANNA SAY ON THIS? UM, YOU KNOW, THANKS VICE MAYOR.
YOU KNOW, WE JUST, WE REALLY APPRECIATE OUR STAFF.
THEY DO A GREAT JOB EVERY DAY.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, OUR STAFF, UH, LOVES THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE OUR CITIZENS.
IF I COULD, I'LL, I'LL JUST INTRODUCE EACH PERSON.
SHANICE ALEXANDER'S OUR LABORATORY SUPERVISOR, AMIR HASSAN, UH, WASTEWATER COLLECTION FOREMAN.
WE'VE GOT TROY PARSONS, WATER DISTRIBUTION FOREMAN, UH, DOUG EFFLER, WATER DISTRIBUTION SUPERVISOR, CHRIS PUSHMAN, UH, UH, UH, WATER DISTRIBUTION FOREMAN, DAVE FERRIS.
HE'S OUR, UH, OUR WATER PRODUCTION SUPERINTENDENT, CHAD LAWSON, UH, IS OUR, UH, WATER, UH, WATER RECLAMATION, UH, FOREMAN.
YOU WANNA HOLD THIS? SO WE'LL GET A PICTURE? SURE.
YOU WANNA BE IN THE PICTURE? YEAH, YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
I SHOULD STOOD UP HERE IN THERE.
AND THEN WE HAVE EMPLOYEE, UH, SERVICE AWARDS CORRECT.
FOR JENNY AND WE ONLY HAVE ONE RIGHT NOW.
SO, UM, I'D LIKE TO CALL UP DEBBIE MCGUIRE.
SO DEBBIE IS CELEBRATING 20 YEARS WITH THE CITY OF MELBOURNE.
SO IF YOU COULD STAND RIGHT HERE, WE'LL SAY A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOU HERE.
SO DEBBIE MCGUIRE, AND I KNOW IT SAYS DEBORAH, BUT I I'VE ALWAYS KNOWN YOU BY DEBBIE, SO THAT'S GOOD.
DEBBIE HAS WORKED FOR THE CITY FOR 20 YEARS, STARTING AS A CLERICAL ASSISTANT, ONE FOR FACILITIES IN JUNE OF 2005.
SO DEBBIE WAS CITED DURING HER TENURE THERE FOR PROVIDING GREAT CUSTOMER SERVICE AND THAT WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN HER SELECTION FOR THE HELP DESK TECHNICIAN IN OUR IT DEPARTMENT, OUR INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY DEPARTMENT.
AND THAT OCCURRED IN JANUARY OF 2008.
SO DEBBIE HAS RECEIVED RECOGNITION FROM THE CITY MANAGER FOR HER ROLE AND ASSISTANCE WITH PREPARATION OF CITY HALL OFFICES AND THE EOC AND THE PREPARATION OF HURRICANE DORIAN IN SEPTEMBER OF 2019.
UM, AN EMPLOYEE EXCELLENCE AWARD IN DECEMBER OF 2018 FOR OUTSTANDING CUSTOMER SERVICE AND A COUPLE OF CUSTOMER SERVICE AWARDS BETWEEN 2008 AND 2018.
MOST RECENTLY, DEBBIE HAS BEEN SERVING IN THE ROLE AS ACTING ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT THREE.
AND WE GREATLY APPRECIATE YOU SERVING IN THAT ROLE AND GETTING THINGS CLEANED UP AND IN ORDER IN THAT, IN THAT AREA.
SO INSTRUMENTAL IN THE INVOICING OF MOST OF OUR IT SERVICES.
UM, AND THIS, THESE ARE THINGS I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT YOU UNTIL I READ THIS.
UM, SO OUTSIDE OF WORK, DEBBIE ENJOYS GOING DANCING WITH HER FRIENDS AND RIDING HER E-BIKE.
AND I SEE YOU HAVE BROUGHT A FAN CLUB WITH YOU TONIGHT.
SO IF YOU'D LIKE TO TELL US WHO'S HERE WITH YOU TONIGHT, THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL.
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I HAVE BOTH OF MY SONS, UM, R'S MY OLDEST, BRUCE IS MY YOUNGEST, AND THEN HIS GIRLFRIEND MALLORY.DO YOU HAVE A MEMBER OF IT WITH YOU TOO? OH, AND HOW COULD I FORGET JOHN
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR 20 YEARS OF SERVICE.
I'LL TURN THE MIC BACK OVER TO YOU 'CAUSE I KNOW THE MAYOR TENDS TO TURN IT BACK OVER TO SEE IF THEY HAVE A FEW WORDS.
IF YOU DON'T MIND ME JUST, JUST CUTTING OUT THE MIDDLE MAN AND HERE IS A GIFT CERTIFICATE AND YOUR 20 YEAR PIN.
AND SO WE GREATLY APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE.
AND DO YOU WANNA SAY A FEW? WELL, THANK YOU.
AND I'M MUCH, I'M NOT MUCH ON WORDS HERE, BUT, UH, I REALLY APPRECIATE WORKING FOR THE CITY.
I'VE ENJOYED EVERY DAY COMING TO THE CITY AND I REALLY WISH I STARTED EARLIER WITH THE CITY
I USUALLY STAND IN THE BACK FOR THIS ONE JUST BECAUSE NO COUNCIL'S HERE, SO WHY YOU AM SO SHE'S IN THE BACK.
ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO A CRAZY ONE OR SO DO YOU GUYS SEE THE BETTER ONE BEFORE WE GO? YOU GUYS GOOD? OKAY.
OH, I DIDN'T GET TO SHAKE YOUR HANDS.
ALL RIGHT, EVERYBODY SETTLED? PERFECT.
ALRIGHT, MOVING ON TO THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES.
UH, DO I HAVE A MOTION? SO MOVED.
ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION BY MR. SMITH, A SECOND BY MS. BASSETT.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED? I HAVE VOTE.
I NUMBER SIX, CITY MANAGER'S REPORT.
JENNY, I HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS, SO PLEASE BEAR WITH ME.
FIRST THING IS, IS QUICK, IT IS THAT THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM FROM FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION WAS NOT AVAILABLE TO MAKE A PRESENTATION ON ADVANCED AIR MOBILITY TONIGHT.
AND SO WE'RE WORKING WITH HIM ON A SCHEDULE FOR A TIME THAT WILL BE CONVENIENT FOR DOC TO COME GIVE US THAT PRESENTATION.
AND THAT IS THE ITEM THAT COUNCIL MEMBER HANLEY ASKED US TO PRESENT.
UM, SECOND OF ALL, THIS AFTERNOON, A PORTION OF THE ROOF AT THE JOSEPH IN DAVIS COMMUNITY CENTER COLLAPSED AND THE CENTER INCURRED SUBSTANTIAL DAMAGE.
UM, FORTUNATELY STAFF WAS ABLE TO GET, THERE WAS APPROXIMATELY 20 PEOPLE IN THE BUILDING.
STAFF WAS ABLE TO GET THE PEOPLE OUT OF THE CENTER UNHARMED.
UM, STAFF IS EVALUATING THE, THE DAMAGE AND WE ARE DETERMINING, UM, REPAIR OPTIONS AT THIS TIME.
THE INSURANCE COMPANY HAS ALREADY BEEN OUT ON SITE.
UM, OUR PARKS AND REC DIRECTOR MET THEM OUT ON SITE LATE THIS AFTERNOON.
UM, SO THE COMMUNITY CENTER WILL REMAIN CLOSED.
I DON'T WANNA SAY INDEFINITELY, BUT IT WILL REMAIN CLOSED UNTIL WE CAN MAKE THE APPROPRIATE REPAIRS.
SO IT IS, UM, SAFE FOR PEOPLE TO BE IN THE BUILDING AGAIN.
SO THAT ONE I WASN'T EXPECTING TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT.
SO THAT, THAT WAS DUE TO THE LARGE AMOUNT OF RAIN IN THE SHORT PERIOD OF TIME THAT WE OCCURRED IN THIS AFTERNOON.
UM, ALSO AT THE LAST MEETING, THE ACTING CITY MANAGER, UM, ROSS MCGINN DISTRIBUTED A MEMO REGARDING PROPERTY ACQUISITION.
I DID NOT, WE DID NOT PLACE AN AGENDA ITEM ON THIS AGENDA TO DISCUSS, AND THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN PUT ON A FUTURE AGENDA.
HOWEVER, ONE OF THE ITEMS WAS REGARDING, UM, PERFORMING A FEASIBILITY AND COST STUDY FOR THE FAIRGROUNDS.
AND THAT HAD A, I DON'T WANNA SAY A SIGNIFICANT COST, BUT IT WAS, YOU KNOW, IT WAS A $45,000 TO BE COMPLETED IN 90 DAYS.
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BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION.ADDITIONALLY, I WANTED TO BRING THAT A PHASE TWO ASSESSMENT IS REQUIRED OF THE PROPERTY IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD.
UM, FORTUNATELY OUR DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, UM, MADE CONTACT WITH EAST COAST FLORIDA REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL, AND WE BELIEVE THAT WE CAN GET A GRANT TO PERFORM OR NOT GET A GRANT.
WE BELIEVE THEY WILL PERFORM THAT PHASE TWO, UM, FOR US AS PART OF A GRANT THAT THEY RECEIVED.
UM, SO I WASN'T SURE IF WE PREFERRED TO WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.
I WASN'T SURE IF COUNCIL WANTED TO HAVE CONSENSUS IN US MOVING FORWARD WITH ANYTHING.
I'M NOT TRYING TO DUCK SOMETHING IN.
I JUST, I, I DIDN'T WANT IT TO HOLD FOR ANOTHER THREE WEEKS.
IF, IF, IF ANY OF COUNCIL THOUGHT THERE WAS AN AGENDA ITEM, SOMETHING WE CAN TALK ABOUT AT THE END OF THE MEETING IF WE CHOOSE TO SPEAK ABOUT.
UM, AND THEN LASTLY, I DID OR NOT.
LASTLY, THERE IS A BLUE MEMO AT, AT YOUR, UM, SEATS THAT'S SOMETHING FOR ITEM, UM, 22 REGARDING THE DISCUSSION ON TEMPORARY USE EXTENSIONS.
THERE WAS A CHANGE TODAY AND, UM, THE RENAISSANCE FAIR, PETER MOHEN HAD SUBMITTED AN EMAIL THAT THAT SORT OF CHANGED WHERE WE THOUGHT THE DIRECTION OF, UM, THAT PROPERTY WAS GOING.
SO I WANTED TO PROVIDE YOU IN THAT, IN THAT MEMO INCLUDES, UM, HIS EMAIL THAT WAS SENT EARLIER TODAY.
AND WE CAN DISCUSS THAT UNDER THAT TOPIC.
UM, AND LASTLY, DO YOU, OKAY, THE VICE MAYOR ASKED, DO YOU WANT ME TO, OKAY.
THE VICE MAYOR ASKED ME IF I COULD BRING UP ABOUT OUR WATER BILLS.
UM, I FIRST NEED TO APOLOGIZE TO OUR COMMUNITY, TO OUR CUSTOMERS, TO OUR RESIDENTS.
UM, THIS WAS NOT INTENDED TO HAPPEN.
THERE'S BEEN, UM, SEVERAL GLITCHES THAT HAVE HAPPENED.
WE APOLOGIZED FOR ALL OF THE DELAYS IN ANY CONFUSION, CONFUSION OR INTERRUPTIONS.
UM, WE HAD A COUPLE GLITCHES, THE FIRST ONE BEING WHEN WE SWITCHED OVER TO THE NEW ONLINE PAYING PAYMENT SYSTEM.
AND THEN THE NEXT ONE WAS, IS THAT NOTICES FOR JUNE WERE NOT SENT FOR ABOUT HALF OF OUR CUSTOMERS, OR A LITTLE LESS THAN HALF OF OUR CUSTOMERS.
THEIR BILLS, THEIR JUNE BILLS WERE NOT SENT UNTIL JULY.
SO WE JUST WANNA MAKE VERY CLEAR TO THE PUBLIC THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO CHARGE LATE FEES OR SHUT OFF WATER FOR THE CUSTOMERS AFFECTED BY THOSE BILLING ISSUES.
UM, WE ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT THE FLOW, THE PHONE LINES WERE INUNDATED WITH PHONE CALLS WHEN THOSE NOTICES WENT OUT.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, MANY PEOPLE HAD TO WAIT VERY LONG TIMES.
WE KNOW WE HAD PEOPLE IN OUR LOBBY FOR VERY LONG TIMES.
AND I, I JUST WANTED TO STATE THAT PART OF THE REASON THAT TOOK SO LONG IS WHEN, WHEN IT WAS THE CUSTOMER'S TURN, WHETHER ON THE PHONE OR AT THE COUNTER, OUR CUSTOMER SERVICE REP REP SPENT A CON, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF TIME WITH OUR CUSTOMERS ONE-ON-ONE, WHETHER ON THE PHONE OR IN PERSON TO RESOLVE THEIR ISSUES AND TO ASSURE THEM THAT THEIR WATER WASN'T GONNA BE CAUGHT CUT OFF OR THERE WEREN'T ADDITIONAL FEES AND TO EXPLAIN THE SITUATION TO THEM.
SO IT, IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT THIS OCCURRED.
UM, I WILL LET YOU KNOW THAT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, WE'LL DO AN AFTER ACTION REPORT AND SORT OF LOOK AT WHERE THINGS WENT WRONG SO THAT IF WE EVER IMPLEMENT A NEW SYSTEM AGAIN, WE EITHER HAVE A, A FASTER RESPONSE, WE KNOW TO, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO INCREASE HOW MUCH PHONE LINES OR HOW MANY, HOW MUCH PHONE SERVICE WE CAN HAVE TO RESPOND TO CALLS, BUT TO GET THE, THE INFORMATION OUT TO THE PUBLIC FASTER AND ON DIFFERENT LEVELS.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE TRY TO DO A GOOD JOB WITH THAT, BUT WE OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T CATCH THAT IN TIME.
SO WE APOLOGIZE TO COUNCIL, APOLOGIZE TO OUR RESIDENTS.
UM, WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE IN YOUR REPORT BEFORE I, NOPE.
UH, BEFORE I GET TO QUESTIONS, JUST MY, MY, UH, QUESTIONS I GUESS FOR YOU.
SO SPECIFICALLY REGARDING I, NOW IT'S RELATED TO THAT ROOF COLLAPSE.
UM, AND THEN WE HAVE THIS, UH, FAIRGROUND FEASIBILITY STUDY FOR THIS AS WELL AS THESE PARKS.
I I HAVE THIS MEMO THAT YOU PUT ON THE DESK FOR EVERYBODY LAST MEETING.
WE WOULD NEED TO DO ONE OF THESE STUDIES FOR THESE, UH, BUILDINGS AS WELL.
IF WE WERE TO LOOK TO UPDATE THEM OR WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE FOR FUTURE USE FOR, FOR THE BUILDING WITH THE ROOF LIKE AUDITORIUM, YOU KNOW, FOR YES.
IF WE WANTED TO UPDATE OR UPDATE IT, THE, THE JOSEPH AND DAVIS BUILDING, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY DESIRE TO NECESSARILY CHANGE THE FUNCTION OF THAT BUILDING.
SO'S SO OUR IMMEDIATE CONCERN WOULD BE REPAIRING THE ROOF.
I, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THE COMMUNITY IS VERY HAPPY OKAY.
WITH THE SERVICES THEY HAVE IN THAT FACILITY.
THERE'S ALSO A MEETING AREA THAT I THINK SOMETIMES THE PCRC SURE.
AND SO IT'S, IT'S A VERSATILE OR VERSATILE SPACE THAT CAN BE USED.
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BECAUSE OF THESE REPLACEMENT COSTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, LET'S SAY EVEN AT THE AUDITORIUM, YOU'RE RIGHT.BUT IF, COULD WE AT LEAST IN, COULD WE INCLUDE THAT AS WELL AS IN THIS FEASIBILITY STUDY? IF WE JUST GET, IF WE GET COUNSEL APPROVAL FOR HER TO DO THAT? WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO THAT? OKAY.
SO YOU'RE ASKING IF WE CAN INCLUDE THAT IN THE FEASIBILITY STUDY FOR THE FAIR GROUND? OR, OR, OR JUST, OR IS IT PART OF THE SAME MOTION? OKAY.
THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING WE PROBABLY WOULD NEED A SEPARATE TASK ORDER FOR SO THAT WE COULD LOOK AT IT AT THE FAIRGROUNDS AND THEN LOOK AT THE, THE AUDITORIUM IS A BIG ONE.
I THINK WE SHOULD UPDATE THAT 2007 PLAN THAT WAS, THAT WAS HANDED TO COUNCIL.
SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA.
IF WE, IF WE MOVED UPON THAT TOO.
AND THAT DOES TIE INTO THE FAIRGROUNDS BECAUSE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT EVENT SPACE.
SO IF YOU SAID YOU'LL EITHER DO IT NOW OR AT THE END OF THE MEETING, WOULD YOU NEED A MOTION FOR THAT OR JUST, UH, DISCUSSION CONSENSUS? WHAT WOULD YOU LOOK FOR, UH, FOR THAT PORTION OF YOUR REPORT? WELL, THE, THE $45,000 TASK ORDER, I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE WHERE THE MONEY IS GOING TO COME FOR FROM AT THIS TIME.
HOWEVER, THE $45,000 IS WITHIN THE CITY MANAGER'S THRESHOLD TO SIGN.
SO I COULD SIGN OFF ON THAT TASK ORDER, BUT I DIDN'T WANNA MOVE FORWARD UNTIL I, I, I KNEW I HAD SUPPORT OF AT LEAST FOUR OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS JUST BECAUSE, SO YOU HAD A DISCUSSION.
OR WE CAN WAIT THE THREE WEEKS AND HAVE A FULL-BLOWN DISCUSSION ITEM.
EITHER WAY I CAN GO, BUT I ALSO WILL TALK TO OUR PLANNING CONSULTANT AND WE'LL SEE ABOUT GETTING A TASK ORDER TO EITHER AT THE SAME TIME REVIEW THE AUDITORIUM ALSO IF THERE'S CONSENSUS FOR THAT.
SO IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT PART OF HER REPORT? MS. HAMLEY? I LIKE THE AUDITORIUM.
'CAUSE THAT AUDITORIUM, I DON'T KNOW IF A LOT OF YOU KNOW THAT THE MELBOURNE AUDITORIUM BACK IN THE DAY, BACK BEFORE MY, THAT THEY USED TO HAVE THE GREG ALLMAN BANDS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
AND AT MELBOURNE AUDITORIUM, THIS IS WHERE THEY WOULD COME AND BEFORE THEY WOULD GO ON THE ROAD, THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD PLAY HERE IN MELBOURNE.
THAT, THAT'S ONE OF THE BIG THINGS THAT THEY DID.
THERE WAS, UM, I KNOW THE BOMB BAND, I CAN'T THINK OF THE OTHER, THERE WAS A LOT OF BIG BANDS THAT CAME IN HERE THAT BECAUSE OF THE AUDITORIUM, THE SIZE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE THOSE KIND OF ACTS THAT COME BACK IN HERE AND BEFORE THEY GO ON THEIR MAIN TOURS, BE ABLE TO COME IN HERE AND DO THEIR SHOWS.
SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE A, A WIN-WIN FOR EVERYBODY HERE IF WE COULD HAVE THAT KIND OF, UM, I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT, BUT I'VE BEEN TOLD BY OTHER PEOPLE THAT CONSTITUENTS IN THE AREA THAT THEY SAID, OH YEAH, THAT'S, WE USED TO GO AND SEE ALL THEM.
UM, I DO KNOW THAT JIMMY BUFFET, WHERE FIT IS, UM, PUT CONSTRUCTION, THEIR NEW, THEIR THING HE PLAYED THERE, UM, CAME HERE BACK.
THEY SAID IT WAS VERY, VERY COLD DAY THOUGH.
UM, SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT, BUT YOU KNOW, TO HAVE IT IN THOSE TYPE OF SITUATIONS WHERE WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO HAVE IT OUTDOORS MM-HMM
WE CAN HAVE AN INDOORS, UM, CONCERTS.
SO FOR THE SAKE, FOR JENNY'S DIRECTION, IS THAT A YES ON AUDITORIUM AND A FOR FAIRGROUNDS? NO.
NO, BECAUSE THAT'S, SO WE DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT WITH IT, BUT WE KNOW WE HAVE, WE HAVE THE AUDITORIUM.
JENNY, DO YOU KNOW WHEN THE LAST TIME IT'S HAD ANY MAJOR RENOVATIONS AT THE AUDITORIUM? I KNOW THE ROOF HAS BEEN ADDRESSED SEVERAL TIMES.
I KNOW THE AIR CONDITIONING HAS BEEN ADDRESSED SEVERAL TIMES.
UM, WE'VE GOT DIFFERENT COMPONENTS IN THE AUDITORIUM.
I, I, I FEEL LIKE WE ARE PIECING THINGS TOGETHER WITH THAT.
AND I THINK IN 2007 THAT WAS THE VISION WAS TO DO A, A STUDY, SEE WHAT WAS NEXT, AND THEN WE, IT DIDN'T MOVE FORWARD ANY FARTHER FROM THAT PART.
'CAUSE WE COULD DO IT OUTDOOR, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE HAVE THE PARKING THERE MM-HMM
RATHER THAN GOING, BUYING ANOTHER FAIRGROUNDS, PUT A BAND SHELTER IN, HAVE THE INSIDE AND THE OUTSIDE WHERE EVERYTHING, WE'RE NOT SPENDING MILLIONS.
WELL, WE WOULD SPEND MILLIONS ANYWAYS FIXING UP THE OTHER AUDITORIUM, BUT WE ALREADY HAVE THE ASSET THERE.
SO THANK YOU, UH, MR. SMITH, UH, AUDITORIUM AND FAIRGROUNDS, FEASIBILITY STUDIES, THOUGHTS? I, I, I THINK, UH, VICE MAYOR, I THINK WE NEED TO DO BOTH.
UM, AND I KNOW THE MAYOR'S NOT HERE TONIGHT, BUT JUST BASED OFF OF SOME OF THE CONVERSATION WE HAD AT THE LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING AS FAR AS FIRE TRAINING, SAFETY, UH, HAVING AN ASSET LIKE THAT, FAIRGROUNDS AND I, AND I, AND I'VE KIND OF, UH, HESITATE TO USE IT JUST TO CALL IT FAIRGROUNDS, BUT IT ALSO COULD BE AN EVENT SPACE BECAUSE I DON'T NECESSARILY SEE US JUST DOING FAIRS THERE, BUT ALSO AS A LARGER EVENT SPACE THAT, UH, FROM IN MY ASSESSMENT, IT'S NOT GONNA REQUIRE MUCH FUNDING IN ORDER TO MAKE IT A USABLE PLACE TO WHERE WE CAN IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF OUR MELBOURNE RESIDENTS.
I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE ABOUT THE, THE ALMOND BAND, BUT I DEFINITELY KNOW THAT MAYBE WE CAN GET NEW ADDITION.
MAYBE WE GET SOME OTHER PEOPLE AND HAVE DIFFERENT TYPES OF VENUES.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THE AUDITORIUM WOULD BE, UH, WHAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT.
I'M ACTUALLY, I MORE WOULD LIKE TO THINK MAYBE A COMPLETE CONVENTION CENTER OR SOMETHING
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IN, IN THE OVERALL USE OF THAT SPACE, MAYBE WORKING WITH THE, THE TDC, THE EDC AND, AND THEN, AND THEN BY THE CITY OF MELBOURNE HAVING BOTH OF THOSE LOCATIONS.ONE THAT IS JUST A, A A, A EMPTY FIELD FOR BIGGER, LARGER EVENTS OF, UH, I WOULD THINK 3000 PLUS PEOPLE.
AND THEN IF YOU HAVE A CONVENTION CENTER TYPE SPACE WHERE THE AUDITORIUM IS A WHOLE RECONFIGURING A VISION OF THAT, AND THEN HAVING THAT SPACE NOW, MELBOURNE TRULY WILL LEAD THE WAY AS FAR AS, UH, EVENTS, CULTURAL EVENTS, ENTERTAINMENT, AND, AND, AND BE A, A PLACE WITH OUR, WITH OUR AIRPORT AND OTHER THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO WHERE, UH, TOURISTS AND A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT EVENTS AND THINGS WILL COME INTO THIS AREA.
SO, SO MY, UH, BASED OFF OF YOUR QUESTION THAT YOU'RE ASKING VICE MAYOR, MY, MY POSITION WOULD BE THAT TO DO A FEASIBILITY STUDY TO INCLUDE BOTH THE AUDITORIUM AND THE EVENT SLASH FAIRGROUNDS.
UM, I JUST HEARD OUR CITY MANAGER SAY WHERE WE'RE GONNA GET THE MONEY.
SO LET ME, LET ME GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY ABOUT THE AUDITORIUM.
THE 2007, UH, ASSESSMENT AND FEASIBILITY STUDY WAS DONE WHILE I WAS ON COUNCIL.
AND THAT WAS THE BEGINNING OF THE GREAT RE RECESSION.
SO MONEY WAS NOT AVAILABLE IN THIS CITY.
UM, SO IT WENT TO THE, UH, WENT TO THE SIDE.
UM, WE'VE BEEN KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD ON THE AUDITORIUM FOR TWO DECADES, I SWEAR TO GOD.
AND THAT FEASIBILITY STUDY ALSO SHOWED THAT, ALTHOUGH YOU'VE GOT A GREAT IDEA ABOUT THE CONVENTION CENTER PART, UM, FEASIBILITY, UH, STUDY SHOWED THAT, AND YOU SAID OVER 3000 PEOPLE THAT CONVENTION CENTERS DON'T SUCCEED UNLESS THERE'S A HOTEL ATTACHED TO IT OR RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO IT.
SO WE CAN READ THAT FEASIBILITY STUDY.
I DON'T THINK IF THAT'S CHANGED OR ANYTHING.
UM, AND I DON'T MEAN TO GO OFF ON A, ON A TANGENT HERE OR ANYTHING, BUT, UH, FOR MY DOLLAR, UNTIL I CAN SEE OTHER DOLLARS THAT YOU SAY YOU MAY BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY, I'M STICKING WITH THE, WITH THE AUDITORIUM FEASIBILITY STUDY.
UM, I PRIORITY OVER THE FAIRGROUNDS OR THE, THE, THE, YOU DON'T WANT TO CALL IT THE FAIRGROUNDS.
YOU, YOU WANT EVENT SPACE OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW.
SO, UH, THAT, THAT'S MY OPINION.
MS. BASSETT? UM, I ACTUALLY, UH, COMPLETELY AGREE WITH, UH, COUNCILMAN LARUSSO.
THAT MONEY IS TIGHT RIGHT NOW.
WE HEARD FROM OUR STUDY MANAGER NOT SURE WHERE THE MONEY'S GONNA COME FROM.
SO UNTIL WE, UNTIL WE KNOW MORE ABOUT THE SITUATION, I THINK WE NEED TO FOCUS ON ASSETS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE.
NOT SAYING NO TO THE EVENT SPACE, NOT THE FAIR EVENT SPACE, BUT HOLD OFF ON IT.
UM, BECAUSE ALL OF THAT MONEY THAT WE SPEND ON THESE FEASIBILITY STUDIES, THAT ADDS UP TO A LOT OF MONEY THAT COULD GO TO HELP OUR PARKS AND REC OR, UH, HELP OUR POLICE OR, OR BUILD A FIRE STATION.
AND VICE MAYOR, ONE LAST THING.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY'S READ THEIR BUDGET BOOK, UM, OR IF THEY'VE HAD THEIR ONE-ON-ONE MEETING.
I HAD MINE TODAY, SO I'M ARMED.
SO WHERE WE HAVE TO COME TOGETHER IS HOW WE'RE GONNA ACTUALLY MOVE THE CITY FORWARD WITH THE SERVICES THAT WE NEED AND THE SERVICES THAT WE ALREADY HAVE AND SUPPORTING THOSE AND NOT TAKING ON MORE THAN WE CAN CHEW.
I MEAN, IT'S, THAT'S JUST MY 10,000 FOOT OPINION.
UH, BUT THAT BUDGET BOOK, AS I GO THROUGH IT, AND I'M THE GUY WHO PUTS ALL THE TABS ON IT, AND I GO TO EVERY, YOU'LL FIND OUT
UM, SO, UM, UH, I'M JUST, I'M HESITANT TO, UH, INCLUDE, UH, THE FAIRGROUNDS RIGHT NOW, BUT AS MS. SLAM SAID, WE CAN BRING THAT BACK IN THREE WEEKS WITH A FULL COUNCIL.
HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE FULL COUNSEL.
UM, AND, UH, THE MAYOR WILL HAVE, UH, UH, UH, RECUPERATED FROM HIS SURGERY.
UM, SO, UM, UH, THAT'S, IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR CONSENSUS, THAT'S MY, SOUNDS LIKE AUDITORIUM CONSENSUS.
DID YOU GET THAT? THAT'S MY ONE FIFTH CONSENSUS TONIGHT.
UH, AND THEN OTHER THAN THAT, UH, JUST, UH, PROFOUND THANK YOU FOR THE UPDATE ON THE WATER INFORMATION.
I KNOW A LOT OF FOLKS ARE ASKING ABOUT THAT.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR THINGS FOR JENNY ON HER REPORT? OH, SIR.
I, I DO WANNA UNDERSTAND WHAT IS THE PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO, IF I CAN GET SORT OF JUST A BIG PICTURE CONTEXT OF WHAT EACH ONE, UH, PHASE ONE.
SO A PHASE ONE AND A PHASE TWO ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT, UM, WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO THOSE FOR ANY PROPERTY.
I SHOULDN'T SAY FOR ANY, FOR PROPERTY PURCHASES THAT MEET CERTAIN CRITERIA AS ESTABLISHED BY POLICY AND CODE.
UM, THE PHASE ONE ASSESSMENT WAS COMPLETE, AND THAT'S SORT OF AS SOME PEOPLE LIKE TO CALL THE 10,000 FOOT VIEW OF THE PROPERTY.
AND, UM, DO, WERE, WERE, WAS, WERE THERE ANY ACTIVITIES OUT THERE THAT COULD CAUSE ALARM? COULD WE HAVE ANY TYPE OF CONTAMINATION OUT THERE? WHAT DO WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF? AND, UM, WHICH PROPERTY COMPLETED FOR, FOR FA WE ALREADY COMPLETED THAT FOR THE 53 ACRES.
UM, WE HAD AUTHORIZATION TO DO THE PHASE
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ONE LAST SUMMER ON THAT, THAT PROJECT, BUT IT DIDN'T COME GET COMPLETED UNTIL NOW BECAUSE WE HAD PUT IT ON HOLD FOR THE, THE TIME OR FOR A WHILE.UM, SO THAT PHASE ONE ASSESSMENT, THE INITIAL, AND IT WAS NO SURPRISE BECAUSE I THINK WE REPORTED THIS BACK LAST SUMMER, IS WE KNEW THAT IT WAS PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A PHASE TWO BECAUSE WE KNOW WHAT THAT SITE'S BEEN USED FOR IN THE PAST.
WE KNOW WHAT SURROUNDS THAT SITE.
SO THERE ARE MON, THERE ARE MON AT LEAST ONE MONITORING, WELL IF NOT TWO MONITORING WELLS ON THAT PROPERTY ALREADY.
SO THERE NEEDS TO BE A FURTHER EVALUATION AND WE NEED TO DIVE IN, UM, TO, TO THE NITTY GRITTY ON THAT, THAT PROPERTY TO SEE WHAT'S OUT THERE.
SO, REVIEWING THE MONITORING WELLS, POSSIBLY DOING MORE TESTING, LOOKING AT THE GEOTECHNICAL REPORTS TO SEE WHAT KIND OF SURFACE, LIKE DO WE HAVE TO DIG OUT A CERTAIN AREA AND PUT MORE STABILIZED, YOU KNOW, TYPE SOIL IN IF WE'RE GONNA BUILD.
AND SO THAT WOULD BE THE PHASE TWO ASSESSMENT.
THE FUNDING ASPECT OF THAT, I THINK THAT WOULD RANGE, DEPENDING ON HOW DETAILED IT GETS, I SUSPECT THIS ONE WOULD BE, I, I I THINK WE PUT IN $25,000.
I THINK THIS ONE WOULD PROBABLY BE CLOSER TO $40,000 TO DO A PHASE TWO ASSESSMENT.
BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WORKING WITH THE REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL, THEY, THEY HAVE RECEIVED GRANT MONEY, IT'S BROWNFIELD GRANT MONEY, AND IT WOULD BE, UM, THIS WOULD BE AN APPLICABLE SITE TO BE USED AND IT WOULDN'T JUST, EVEN IF WE DECIDE NOT TO ACQUIRE IT, THAT'S, THAT'S INFORMATION ON THE LAND THAT SHOULD ANYONE ELSE WANNA USE IT OR SHOULD THE COUNTY NEED DESIRE TO SELL IT, THAT'S INFORMATION THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR, FOR, FOR THE PUBLIC.
SO, SO TO SUMMARIZE, WE LOOK LIKE WE HAVE A PHASE ONE FOR THE, THE AUDITORIUM ALREADY AND A PHASE ONE FOR, OH NO, I'M SORRY.
YEAH, THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
A PHASE ONE ASSESSMENT, WHAT YOU HAVE.
THAT REPORT ON THE AUDITORIUM DID SAY PHASE ONE.
BUT I'M SORRY, I WAS TALKING ABOUT PHASE ONE, PHASE TWO ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENTS.
SO I'M SORRY I WENT ON THAT TANGENT.
YEAH, WE, WE, SO WHAT IS THE PHASE ONE THAT WE HAVE? WE USE THE PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO VERY MUCH AS COLLOQUIAL TERMINOLOGY.
BUT THAT'S SPECIFIC TO ENVIRONMENTAL DUE DILIGENCE.
SO THE, THE PHASE AS WITH REGARD TO THE COUNTY'S 53 ACRE PROPERTY WE'RE, WE'VE COMPLETED A PHASE ONE ENVIRONMENTAL, ENVIRONMENTAL DUE DILIGENCE.
IT'S THAT THAT REPORT IS STRONGLY INDICATING THAT A PHASE TWO ENVIRONMENTAL DUE DILIGENCE IS, IS NECESSARY.
SO D DIFFERENT FROM ECONOMIC AND MARKET FEASIBILITY.
THESE ARE THE PHASE, THESE PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO ARE VERY SPECIFIC AS TO ENVIRONMENTAL SITE CONDITION DUE DILIGENCE.
SO IF I COULD ANSWER HIS ORIGINAL QUESTION SURE.
IF THAT, IF SO, I AM NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT, I DON'T THINK THIS IS STANDARD TERMINOLOGY OF A PHASE ONE MARKET STUDY, A PHASE TWO MARKET STUDY.
I THINK WHAT HAPPENED BACK IN 2000, AND I'LL SAY SEVEN, BUT IT PROBABLY STARTED EARLIER THAN THAT IN 2006 IN ORDER TO START THE STUDY, I DON'T IMAGINE IT GOT DONE IN LESS THAN THREE MONTHS.
UM, BUT THIS MARKET, THEY, IT SEEMS LIKE WE BROKE THE SCOPE OF THE WORKUP AND IT WAS THE, LET'S DO THE INITIAL, LET'S SEE WHAT THE RESULTS ARE.
DO WE WANNA CONTINUE ON? SO THAT IS NOT STANDARD NOMENCLATURE.
THIS WAS JUST THE FIRST STEP IN LOOKING, DOING A MARKET STUDY OF THE CIVIC CENTER.
SO, I'M SORRY I DIDN'T ANSWER THAT CORRECTLY THE FIRST TIME.
SO THERE, SO JUST MAKING SURE THAT THE AUDITORIUM DIDN'T FALL DOWN AROUND US, BASICALLY.
UH, AND, UM, THE ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY, THE PHASE ONE, PHASE TWO, UH, WHO DETERMINES THAT WE HAVE TO GO TO A PHASE TWO? UM, WELL AFTER, AFTER THE PHASE ONE IS DONE? WELL, IT'S ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY.
LET, LET, LET ME GET THE, IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY PHASE OUT OF THIS ENTIRE CONVERSATION.
SO THE FIRST ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY, THE FIRST STEP OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY THAT IS, THAT IS RECOMMENDED BY THE PERSON DOING THE STUDY.
SO YOU COULD SAY IS THAT THE FOX GUARDING THE HIN HOUSE.
HOWEVER, WITH THE DATA THAT IS IN THERE, I, I, BASED ON MY BACKGROUND, CAN TELL YOU, YES, WE NEED THE PHASE TWO.
UM, AND IT, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT IF THIS SITE, YOU KNOW, NOTHING HAD EVER OCCURRED ON IT OR THERE HADN'T BEEN ANY, YOU KNOW, UM, SPOIL SITE, OR IT WASN'T RE, YOU KNOW, IT DIDN'T HAVE THE LANDFILL ON ONE SIDE OR THERE WEREN'T WETLANDS OR THAT TYPE OF THING.
THEN YOU WOULD SAY, WHY ARE WE BOTHERING WITH THE PHASE TWO IN THIS CASE? I DO THINK THAT THE ENGINEERS, EVA OR THE, IT WASN'T, I DON'T THINK IT WASN'T DONE BY AN ENGINEER, BUT IT WOULD, THE, THE SCIENTIST EVALUATION WAS CORRECT AND THAT WE NEEDED A PHASE TWO.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT OUR STAFF LOOKS AT.
SO EVEN IF I DIDN'T HAVE MY ENGINEERING BACKGROUND, I WOULD BE LOOKING AT THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT ON DOES THIS, DOES THIS LOOK RIGHT? SO THEN THIS IS AN INTERNAL DECISION TO GO TO, TO GO TO THE SECOND, NOT AN EPA ISSUE THAT LOOKS AT THIS AND TELLS US WE HAVE TO, NOW I ASKED THIS FOR A QUESTION MM-HMM
SO FOLLOW THE LINE HERE I AM, I'M FOLLOWING YOU THERE.
SO THIS IS SELF INFLICTED WOUNDS WE DECIDE AND TURN WITH NOT NECESSARILY OKAY.
WHEN I, IT, I WOULD NOT SUGGEST GOING
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AGAINST WHAT THE PROFESSIONALS SAY.THE, I'M SAYING, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND THE LINE.
I WOULD, I WOULD NOT GO AGAINST WHAT THE PROFESSIONAL SAID.
IF WE CAME BACK WITH A COMPLETE BILL OF HEALTH, I WOULDN'T SAY GO HAVE EXTRA TESTS.
SO, AND THE REASON I ASK IS, YOU KNOW, AS AIRPORT, UH, AUTHORITY MEMBER LIKE ME, IS THAT, UH, THE LAGUNA BAY? UH, WE OH YEAH.
UH, THE, YEAH, UH, THE WATER PARK PROPOSED OUT OUT THERE IS THAT WE DID A, A COMPREHENSIVE, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY THAT COST, UH, THE AIRPORT ABOUT A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS.
FAA CAME BACK AND SAID MM-HMM DO A MILLION DOLLAR STUDY NOW.
SO THIS IS WHY I'M ASKING THESE QUESTIONS.
WHO MAKES THE DETERMINATION? SO THIS IS WHERE WE GOT STUCK.
NOW BECAUSE THE DEVELOPER, WE KNOW AON, UH, THEY'RE NOT GONNA PICK UP THE MILLION DOLLAR STUDY.
THEY, THEY, THAT WAS NOT IN THE CONTRACT TO SELL IT AND THEN TO HELP BRING THIS OUT OF THE GROUND.
SO THAT'S WHY I ASKED THESE SERIES OF QUESTIONS.
AND LIKE I SAID, THERE'S A REASON FOR IT.
IF I CAN ANSWER, I SUSPECT THAT'S BECAUSE THERE'S FEDERAL FUNDS INVOLVED.
IT'S THE FAAA FEDERAL, YOU KNOW, A FEDERAL AGENCY THAT IS GOVERNING OVER IN, IN THIS CASE, I THINK UNLESS WE WERE ASKING FOR FEDERAL FUNDS, WE WOULDN'T HAVE THOSE TYPE OF RESTRICTIONS ON US.
BUT, BUT I SEE EXACTLY WHY YOU'RE ASKING THAT QUESTION NOW, YOU KNOW, CAUTION, YOU KNOW, UH, MEASURE TWICE, CUT ONCE, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF THING.
SO I, I WANNA MAKE SURE WE CLOSE THE LOOP ON THAT ONE PART BEFORE WE WENT TO FURTHER.
SO, SO NOW THAT WE HAVE A DEFINITION OF ENVIRONMENTAL PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO, WHEN I READ POINT NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS A FEASIBILITY AND COST STUDY, THEN I SEE THAT THERE'S A PHASE ONE MARKET STUDY ALREADY DONE THAT TALKS ABOUT BUILDING A $40,000 SQUARE FOOT ARENA.
SO NOW, NOW I'M JUST KIND OF WONDERING WHAT IS IT THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR RELATED TO YES, UPDATING IT TO CURRENT TIME? 'CAUSE IT'S 18 YEARS OLD.
BUT IT WILL BE THIS, IT WILL BE SORT OF A DUPLICATION OF WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT HERE.
JUST UPDATE THAT, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.
AND THEN I GUESS YOU WOULD BRING BACK DIRECTION AFTER THAT OF WHAT, WHAT WE LEARNED? CORRECT.
I WOULD PROBABLY EXPAND, AND I SAY EXPAND, I WOULD COMPARE THE SCOPE OF WHAT THIS ORIGINAL ASSESSMENT WAS WITH THE AUDITORIUM, WITH THE, LIKE, THE SCOPE THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT FOR THE FAIRGROUNDS TO LOOK AT THE MARKET AND TO SEE IF THE, IF THE MARKET WOULD SUPPORT THE, AND SOME OF THAT'S IN THIS, IN THAT, IN THE 18-YEAR-OLD REPORT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, TAKE REVISE, LOOK AT THAT, SEE WHAT THE MARKET IS FOR US TO HAVE THAT TYPE OF FACILITY.
IS THERE, UM, WILL WE BE, I DON'T WANNA SAY FULL, BUT YOU KNOW, LIKE, WILL WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, EVENTS LINING UP TO COME OR IS IT A, OH, WELL, YOU KNOW, WHAT SIZE MAKES SENSE.
THAT, THAT, THAT ANSWERS, THAT CLARIFIES A LOT.
AND JUST ONE THING ON THERE BEFORE, UH, JUST IN CASE, DOES THAT TAKE, WAS IT 30, 60, 90 DAYS? HOW, HOW LONG DOES THAT USUALLY TAKE FOR US TO GET ONE OF THOSE BACK? GOOD QUESTION.
UM, I KNOW FOR THE FAIRGROUNDS IT WAS 90 DAYS.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL BE DIFFERENT FOR THE AUDITORIUM, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING I WILL REPORT BACK TO COUNSEL, WHETHER IT'S UNDER SEPARATE COVER OR IN THREE WEEKS, LET YOU KNOW HOW LONG THAT'LL TAKE.
OH, OH, DID ANYBODY OVERHEAR OF ANYTHING? NO.
SO JUST TO, UH, WRAP THIS THING UP AND EVERYTHING.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BRINGING THIS BACK FOR A FULL COUNCIL STUDY, UH, UH, CONVERSATION, UH, FOR THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, I MAYBE, MAYBE I'M MISSED GETTING COUNCIL, SO DESIRES TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ITEM ON THE FAIRGROUNDS, BUT IN MY, I WAS MORE LOOKING ON THE, THERE WERE TASKS WE REPORTED BACK ON THEM.
SHOULD I GET STARTED WITH THE TASKS? GOT IT.
SO LET'S, LET'S JUST GO WITH THE AUDITORIUM RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE ALL INTO THE AUDITORIUM.
WE CAN WAIT, WE CAN WAIT THREE WEEKS TO GO FORWARD WITH THE, UH, 53 ACRES BECAUSE I THINK THE AUDITORIUM, WE HAVE THAT ASSET THAT NEEDS TO, AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH MONEY.
LET'S SEE WHAT WE CAN DO WITH WHAT WE HAVE.
LET'S NOT, YOU KNOW, YOU SAVE 40,000, 20,000 OR 40,000, WHAT CAN WE DO? YOU KNOW, WE CAN DO SOME, SOME MAINTENANCE REPAIRS OR MIGHT BE USING FOR JOE DAVIS, UH, PLACE TO UPDATE SOME EQUIPMENT.
SO I RATHER THAN JUST GOING, YOU KNOW, PUSHING MONEY THAT WAY, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT WE HAVE NOW AND USE WHAT WE HAVE NOW RATHER THAN WHAT WE HAVE.
WHAT WE MAYBE MAYBE WANT TO YEAH.
THAT'S WHY MAYBE, MAYBE IN THE FUTURE, THIS, THIS IS ALREADY HERE.
THAT'S, I DON'T SEE ME HAVING THE MONEY.
I HAVEN'T HAD THE ONE-ON-ONE YET, BUT I CAN TELL YOU.
BUT I ALREADY KNOW I, YOU KNOW, I'M THE COUNT AND I LOOK, I KIND OF, UM, BUT I'D RATHER DO THESE ASSETS WE HAVE NOW, WAIT TO THE LAST MINUTE.
LIKE MR. LARUSSA SAID THAT'S 20 YEAR, WE'RE LOOKING AT 20 YEARS FROM WHEN THEY HAD THE STUDY AND NOW, AND IT'S, AND EVEN AT THAT TIME IT NEEDED WORK BACK IN 2007.
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THAT.LIKE, YOU'RE NOT EVEN SAYING ANYTHING ON THAT.
I MEAN, THERE WAS A POINT WHERE WE HAD TO, THERE WAS A POINT, IF I FORCE, THERE WAS A POINT WHERE WE WERE TASKED TO, UH, REPLACE THE, UH, THE ROPES THAT BROUGHT THE, UH, THE CURTAIN UP.
GUESS WHAT GOT CAUGHT OUT OF THE BUDGET? THE ROPE.
I MEAN, BUT THAT'S, YOU REMEMBER THAT, BUT NO, I MEAN, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S A LITTLE HERE, A LITTLE THERE, BUT THEN IT NEEDS A MAJOR OVERHAUL.
LIKE I THINK IT'S BUILT IN THE SIXTIES.
JENNY WOULD THAT IT'S OVER 60 YEARS OLD.
I DON'T HAVE THE PIECE OF PAPER.
I HAVE THAT, IT'S 61 YEARS OLD RIGHT NOW, SO IF WE DO OUR MATH, IT'S, IT'S RIGHT THERE.
SO, UM, YEAH, I I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE NEED TO PUT SOME MONEY INTO IT.
IT'S EASY TO GET TO AND FROM MM-HMM
AND MAYBE WE, IF WE UPDATE IT, WE WON'T HAVE EVERY GUN SHOW EVERY WEEKEND.
WE'LL HAVE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
GUN SHOWS WAS KEEPING US ALIVE.
I KNOW, BUT I MEAN, TALK ABOUT OXYMORON,
WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT WE CAN HAVE DIFFERENT SHOWS ON THE WEEK, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT EVENTS ON THE WEEKENDS, DIFFERENT SHOW LIKE PLAY.
I KNOW WE HAVE THE HEN THE NOT HENNING, I'M SORRY, THE KING CENTER, BUT WE HAVE OTHER THINGS DOWN HERE THAT ARE NOT THAT TYPE OF EVENT.
ANY OTHER THINGS FOR JENNY BEFORE WE CONCLUDE THE MANAGER'S REPORT? NO, I JUST WANNA KEEP IT, LET'S GO WITH THE AUDITORIUM.
AND I THINK YOU'VE GOT THE, THE DIRECTION THERE.
DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENT CARDS? WE HAVE ONE.
I'M GRATEFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO UPDATE YOU.
I'M, I'M JEFF NOOSE WITH DAILY BREAD.
THAT MIGHT BE THE LAST TIME I SAY THAT HERE AT COUNCIL.
UM, BECAUSE, UM, IT IS BECOME TIME FOR US TO HAVE AN UPDATE AND A NAME CHANGE AND A REBRANDING.
AND DAILY BREAD IS BECOMING, PROVIDENCE CONNECTS.
THE CITY OF MELBOURNE HAS BEEN A KEY PARTNER WITH US ON THE, THE PROJECT OF PROVIDENCE PLACE AND THE WINDING DOWN OF OUR FACILITY ON, ON FEE AVENUE.
SO IT WAS JUST FOUR MONTHS AGO THAT WE WERE HERE TO, TO FINALIZE THAT, THAT AGREEMENT.
AND I'M SO GRATEFUL FOR THAT UNANIMOUS SUPPORT THAT WE RECEIVED FROM COUNCIL.
AND I WANT, I WANNA LET YOU KNOW HOW SUCCESSFUL THAT OPERATION HAS BEEN.
WE CLOSED ON FEE AVENUE ON MAY 9TH, THE VERY NEXT WEEK WE WERE UP AND RUNNING WITH FOUR OUTREACH ACCESS POINTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, NORTH, SOUTH, EAST, AND WEST.
AND OUR CLIENTS HAVE, HAVE MOVED WITH US TO THAT, UM, WAY OF INTERACTING WITH PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
IT'S A WAY THAT SERVES OUR HOMELESS POPULATION BETTER AND ALSO, UM, SERVE THE COMMUNITY BETTER.
SO THANK YOU FOR PARTNERING WITH US ON THAT TRANSITION.
SO PROVIDENCE CONNECTS IS, UM, BUILT ON THREE PILLARS, FOOD DISTRIBUTION, WHICH IS HOW WE STARTED AT DAILY BREAD.
NOW WE'RE PARTNERING IN A SPECIAL WAY WITH THE SOUTH BREVARD SHARING CENTER.
WE'VE ENTERED INTO A STRATEGIC ALLIANCE WITH THEM.
WE'RE ENHANCING THEIR FOOD PANTRY IN IN IMPORTANT WAYS.
WE'RE ALSO REACHING OUT IN OUTREACH TO OUR NEIGHBORS IN NEED THROUGH THOSE OUTREACH ACCESS POINTS AND THEN IN, IN OTHER WAYS.
AND THEN OF COURSE, THE EMPHASIS ON HOUSING AND PROVIDENCE PLACE IS ON, ON PACE.
UM, AND I WANT TO GIVE YOU A, A SHORT UPDATE ON THAT.
WE'VE SUBMITTED OUR, OUR, UM, PLANS FOR PERMITTING AND WE'RE HAPPY TO BE WORKING WITH CITY STAFF ON THAT PROCESS.
WORKING TO FINALIZE OUR FINANCING IN OCTOBER KICKOFF WITH OUR CONTRACTOR IN NOVEMBER.
DEDICATE THE LAND ON APOLLO IN NOVEMBER, BREAK GROUND IN LATE 2025 OR 2026 BASED ON PERMITTING AND FINANCING.
AND THEN HAVE THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY IN THE SUMMER OF 2027.
SO DAILY BREAD WAS A GREAT NAME FOR A SOUP KITCHEN AND NOW WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO BE MOVING FORWARD IN THE FUTURE BUILDING ON THAT LEGACY WITH, WITH A NAME THAT DESCRIBES ALL THAT WE DO TO IMPACT THIS COMMUNITY.
PROVIDENCE CONNECTS, PROVIDES CONNECTION TO FOOD, TO HOUSING, AND TO HOPE THROUGH OUTREACH.
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MEMBERS FOR ALL YOUR SUPPORT THROUGHOUT THE YEARS.WE'LL BE CONTINUING TO COME TO YOU WITH UPDATES, BUT I WANTED TO, TO SHARE THAT, THAT MAJOR UPDATE WITH YOU TODAY.
UM, AND THEN JUST REAL QUICK ON MY PART, AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE LEANING OVER, DID YOU, UM, BUT, UH, I DO KNOW THAT, 'CAUSE YOU GUYS ALL, UM, I MAY HAVE MISSED THIS PART EARLY ON THE MOBILE, UH, FOOD OUTREACH, IS THAT CORRECT? UM, JUST ONE THING I'M HEARING FROM RESIDENTS, JUST MAKE SURE YOU'RE, UH, WORKING WITH 'EM TO, TO BUILD THAT COMMUNITY AS WELL.
I KNOW THERE'S SOME CONCERNS ABOUT EITHER LOCATIONS OR ACTIVITIES HAPPENING WITH THEM, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE'S WORKING IN TANDEM TOGETHER AND THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, NOT CAUSING ANY MORE CONCERN ON, YOU KNOW, OUR COMMUNITY AND AS WELL AS YOUR END.
JEFF, UH, I'M JUST WONDERING IF, UH, I KNOW WE HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM TO TALK ABOUT.
ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH, UH, FOOD NOT BOMBS? MM, I, I, I KNOW THEM.
BUT THEN IN YOUR, IN YOUR STATEMENTS, WE HAVEN'T WORKED CLOSELY WITH THEM.
UH, WELL, WELL WITH THAT IN MIND, I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING THIS, THIS UPDATE AND, UH, CONTINUE TO, UH, TO KEEP US AWARE.
I WAS NOT AWARE THAT THE PROPERTY SOLD ALREADY.
IT HAS NOT SOLD OUR PROPERTY ON FEE AVENUE HAS NOT SOLD.
IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, WE CAN TALK LATER.
ANYBODY ELSE SAYING NONE? THANK YOU, JEFF.
ALRIGHT, MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.
AND BEFORE WE GO TO, UM, ITEM EIGHT, I, I DO WANT TO, UM, SAY ONE THING AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, I, UH, HAD SPOKEN ABOUT, UH, ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025 DASH 35, THE COMP PLAN, MAP AMENDMENT FOR, UM, FIRE STATION 72.
AND, AND SUGGESTED THAT IT WASN'T FINAL ACTION.
AND, AND I, I MAY HAVE CAUGHT, CREATED SOME CONFUSION ON THAT POINT.
UM, IT'S NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA THAT, THAT YOU'LL SEE.
UM, AFTER FURTHER DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, UM, DETERMINED THAT THERE, I, I WAS, UM, MISCONSTRUING THE AMOUNT OF NOTICE THAT HAD PREVIOUSLY GONE OUT FOR ADVERTISING AND, AND PUBLICATION FOR THAT PUBLIC HEARING.
SO THAT DENIAL AT, AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING WAS FINAL ACTION.
SO I JUST WANTED TO, TO STATE THAT FOR EVERYBODY, THAT THAT'S WHY YOU'RE NOT SEEING IT ON THE AGENDA.
UM, AND I, I APOLOGIZE FOR ANY CONFUSION ON THAT POINT.
SO THAT, THAT WAS THAT FIRST READING AND, AND THAT DENIAL WAS, WAS FINAL ACTION ON THAT ITEM.
SO WITH THAT, WITH THAT SAID, WE'LL GO TO, WE'LL GO TO ITEM EIGHT.
THIS IS ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025 DASH 30, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AMENDING CHAPTER 52 OF THE CITY CODE ENTITLED STREET SIDEWALKS AND OTHER PUBLIC PLACES BY RENAMING THE PORTION OF ATLANTIC PARK DRIVE BETWEEN SOUTH BABCOCK STREET AND DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR.
BOULEVARD TO JOSEPH PELICANO DRIVE, MAKING FINDINGS, PROVIDING FOR INTERPRETATION, PROVIDING EFFECTIVE DATE, AND PROVIDING FOR ADOPTION.
ALRIGHT, PRESENTING ON THIS IS MR. ENNIS.
MR. ENNIS, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO REPORT? UH, GOOD EVENING VICE MAYOR.
UH, THIS IS SECOND READING OF THIS ITEM.
I DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER, UH, INFORMATION TO ADD TO IT AT THIS POINT.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. ENNIS OR COMMENTS? SEEING NONE.
UH, DO I HAVE ANY SIGN UP SHEETS? WE DO NOT OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
MA'AM, UH, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025 DASH 30.
I HAVE A MOTION BY MS. BASSETT.
MR. SMITH, UH, ROLL CALL PLEASE.
THIS IS ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025 DASH 31.
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, PROVIDING FOR THE ANNEXATION OF 0.92 PLUS OR MINUS ACRES OF PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF WEST DRIVE, WEST OF EAST DRIVE, AND NORTH OF ELLIS ROAD.
PROVIDING FOR THE EXTENSION OF THE CORPORATE LIMITS AND BOUNDARIES THEREOF.
PROVIDING THAT THIS ORDINANCE SHALL BE RECORDED IN THE PUBLIC RECORDS OF BROAD COUNTY FLORIDA, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND PROVIDING AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE TOGETHER WITH ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025 DASH 32.
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, RELATING TO COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING, MAKING FINDINGS AMENDING APPENDIX D CHAPTER FOUR, SECTION 4.04 OF THE CITY CODE.
UH, AMENDING THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BY ESTABLISHING AN INDUSTRIAL FUTURE LAND USE MAP CLASSIFICATION ON 0.92 PLUS OR MINUS ACRES OF PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF WEST DRIVE, WEST OF EAST DRIVE, AND NORTH OF ELLIS ROAD.
3 75 WEST DRIVE, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND PROVIDING AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE TOGETHER WITH ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025 DASH 33.
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY FLORIDA AMENDING THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP AS IT RELATES TO GENERAL ZONING.
ORDINANCE NUMBER 2005 DASH ONE 20 BY ESTABLISHING AN M1 LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING ON 0.92 PLUS AND MINUS ACRES OF PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF WEST DRIVE, WEST OF EAST DRIVE, AND NORTH OF ELLIS ROAD 3 75 WEST DRIVE, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND PROVIDING AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE.
ALRIGHT, PRESENTING ON THIS IS MS. DIMMER.
GOOD EVENING, VICE MAYOR AND COUNSEL.
I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER TO ADD ON SECOND READING FOR THIS ITEM.
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ALRIGHT, I DO I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. DITTMER? SEEING NONE.OKAY, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, I DO HAVE A SIGNUP SHEET FROM KAY ENGINEERING.
UH, THEY ARE HERE FOR QUESTIONS.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR HIM FOR ME TO BRING HIM UP? SEEING NONE.
THIS IS A QUASI-JUDICIAL ITEM.
DO WE HAVE ANY DISCLOSURES? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE.
ALRIGHT, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION VICE MAYOR MA'AM.
APPROVAL ORDINANCE 2025 DASH 31 BASED UPON THE FINES CONTAINED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.
ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION BY MS. HANLEY, A SECOND BY MS. BA BASSETT.
APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE 2025 DASH 32 BASED UPON THE FINDINGS CONTAINED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.
ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION BY MS. HANLEY, SECOND BY MS. BASSETT.
ANOTHER MOTION VICE MAYOR MA'AM.
APPROVAL ORDINANCE 2025 DASH 33 BASED UPON THE FINDINGS CONTAINED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEMORANDUM.
I HAVE A MOTION BY MS. HANLEY, A SECOND BY MS. BASSETT.
THIS IS ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025 DASH 34.
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY FLORIDA.
AMENDING THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP AS IT RELATES TO GENERAL ZONING.
ORDINANCE NUMBER 2005 DASH ONE 20 BY GRANTING A CONDITIONAL USE TO ALLOW THE SALE AND SERVICE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES, BEER AND WINE FOR CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES IN CONJUNCTION WITH A RETAIL FISH MARKET IN A 1400 PLUS OR MINUS SQUARE FOOT UNIT LOCATED ON A 0.47 PLUS OR MINUS ACRE PROPERTY ZONE.
C TWO GENERAL COMMERCIAL LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF CYPRESS AVENUE, SOUTH OF ALI BOULEVARD AND NORTH OF ORANGE STREET, 1295 CYPRESS AVENUE PROVIDING FOR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL PROVIDING THAT THE CONDITIONAL USE GRANTED HEREIN MAY BE REVOKED BY CITY COUNCIL IF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL ARE NOT MET.
PROVIDING THAT THE PROPERTY SHALL BE DESIGNATED ON THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP BY THE SYMBOL C DASH C TWO, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND PROVIDING AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE.
PRESENTING IS MS. DITMER, DO WE HAVE ANY, ANY UPDATES? YEAH, NOTHING FURTHER TO ADD ON SECOND READING FOR COUNSEL.
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. DITMER? SEEING NONE, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
DO WE HAVE ANY SIGNUP SHEET? SEEING NONE, OPEN PUBLIC HEARING.
DO WE HAVE ANY DISCLOSURES? NO.
UH, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION VICE MAYOR SIR.
UH, APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025 DASH 34 BASED UPON DEFIANCE CONDITIONS CONTAINED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.
I HAVE A MOTION BY MS. LARUSSO, A SECOND BY MS. BASSETT.
ALRIGHT, ITEM NUMBER 11, ADAM.
THIS IS ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025 DASH 36.
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY FLORIDA.
AMENDING THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP AS IT RELATES TO GENERAL ZONING.
ORDINANCE NUMBER 2005 DASH ONE 20 BY GRANTING A CONDITIONAL USE TO ALLOW A MINI STORAGE USE ON A 2.08 PLUS OR MINUS ACRE PROPERTY ZONE.
C ONE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF AURORA ROAD, EAST OF GLENWOOD DRIVE AND WEST OF MOSSWOOD DRIVE.
PROVIDING FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL, PROVIDING FOR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, PROVIDING THAT THE CONDITIONAL USE GRANTED HEREIN MAY BE REVOKED BY CITY COUNCIL IF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL ARE NOT MET.
PROVIDING THAT THE PROPERTY SHALL BE DESIGNATED ON THE PR OFFICIAL ZONING MAP BY THE SYMBOLS C DASH C ONE, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND PROVIDING AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE.
PRESENTING ON THIS IS MS. TIPPER ANY UPDATES? UH, YES.
NOTHING FURTHER TO ADD ON SECOND READING FOR COUNSEL.
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. DIMER, SIR? UH, UM, UH, GOOD EVENING.
UH, CINDY, JUST, JUST A GENERAL QUESTION, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE EVER REALLY TALKED ABOUT THIS, BUT FOR ALL OF THE MANY STORAGES AND STORAGES, IS THERE ANY WAY TO ASSESS, UH, OCCUPANCY, HOW MUCH THEY USE OR, I MEAN, BECAUSE, UH, IT JUST REALLY SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF THEM AROUND OUR CITY, SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE EVER LOOKED, LOOKED AT A STUDY TO ANALYZE THAT.
SO THE DISCUSSION HAS COME UP WITH COUNCIL BEFORE, UM, HAS COUNCIL'S SEEN A LOT OF REQUESTS FOR MANY STORAGE COME THROUGH THE LAST, LET'S EVEN SAY FIVE YEARS OR SO? UM, I CAN TELL YOU THAT FIVE YEARS AGO THERE WAS DEFINITELY A NEED FOR ADDITIONAL MINI STORAGE UNITS.
UH, WE'VE HAD A HANDFUL, YOU KNOW, BE BUILT IN THE CITY AND SURROUNDING THE CITY.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE WOULD GO OUT AND, AND LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, FROM A CITY PERSPECTIVE.
UM, IT DOES SEEM LIKE THE REQUESTS HAVE SLOWED DOWN A LITTLE BIT.
THIS IS A SORT OF SMALL, UNIQUE PROPERTY.
UM, NOT ONE OF THE LARGER FACILITIES THAT, THAT WE'D SEEN.
YOU KNOW, WITH SOME OF THOSE, SOME OF THE ONES COUNCILS APPROVED, THEY'VE BEEN CONSTRUCTED IN SOME HABIT.
SO YOU MIGHT THINK IF COUNSEL'S APPROVED THEM, THEY'VE
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HAPPENED, BUT I WOULDN'T SAY THEY'VE ALL ACTUALLY BEEN CONSTRUCTED.IS THAT IT? THAT'S IT FOR NOW, VICE MAYOR.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. DIMER? NOPE.
SEEING NONE, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
DO I HAVE ANY SIGNUP SHEETS? SEEING NONE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THIS IS A QUASI-JUDICIAL ITEM.
DO WE HAVE ANY DISCLOSURES? NO DIS SEEING NONE.
APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025 DASH 36 WITH PLAN 2024 DASH 0 0 4 BASED UPON THE FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS CONTAINED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.
ALRIGHT, I'LL SECOND SOMEBODY SECOND.
ITEM NUMBER 12, ADAM, THIS IS ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025 DASH 37.
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, PROVIDING FOR THE DISSOLUTION OF THE GOLF COURSES ADVISORY BOARD MAKING FINDINGS AMENDING CHAPTER TWO OF THE CITY CODE ENTITLED ADMINISTRATION AMENDING ARTICLE FOUR BOARDS AND COMMITTEES AND AUTHORITIES REPEALING DIVISION NINE ENTITLED GOLF COURSES ADVISORY BOARD, PROVIDING FOR INTERPRETATION, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND PROVIDING FOR ADOPTION.
PRESENTING ON THIS IS MR. MCEWEN.
NOTHING FURTHER TO ADD ON THE SECOND READING OF THIS SIDE.
AND, UM, I'LL, I'LL HAVE A, JUST A QUICK, IF I COULD JUST GET A LITTLE HISTORY ON IT.
I KNOW THAT THEY ALREADY WENT, I WAS JUST ABSENT.
THE LAST MEETING IS, ARE THEY NOT MEETING BECAUSE OF, UM, QUORUM ISSUES OR IS IT BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO WORK TO DO? A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH, SIR.
UM, AS WE REPORT, YES, AS WE REPORTED AT THE LAST MEETING, UM, THE BOARD HAS BEEN SCHEDULED TO MEET, UM, FOUR TIMES PER YEAR, BUT HAS ONLY MET TWICE PER YEAR FOR PROBABLY FIVE YEARS.
AND A NUMBER OF THE DUTIES OF THAT BOARD HAVE JUST SORT OF PHASED OVER THE YEARS WITH A NUMBER OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE AT THE GOLF COURSE.
AND SO IT'S BEEN A LITTLE COMBINATION OF BOTH.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR KEVIN? SEEING NONE, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
DO WE HAVE ANY SIGNUP SHEETS? SEEING NONE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION? MAYOR MAAM, SIR, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL.
ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025 DASH 37 ALL.
AND THEN I HAVE A MOTION BY MR. SMITH.
ALRIGHT, ITEM NUMBER 13, MR. ENNIS.
UH, THIS IS FOR, UH, WORK ORDER NUMBER SIX TO THE STORM DRAIN CLEANING, REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE CONTRACT WITH SHENANDOAH GENERAL CONSTRUCTION AND LLC FOR CURED IN PLACE PIPELINING.
AS PART OF OUR ANNUAL RESURFACING PROGRAM, UH, WE GO THROUGH AND INSPECT THE, UH, STORM SEW SYSTEM THAT IS UNDERNEATH THE ROADWAYS TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY REPAIRS THAT NEED TO OCCUR BEFORE RESURFACING.
UH, THIS IS TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, IF WE RESURFACE THE ROADWAY, WE DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK AND MAKE REPAIRS AT A LATER DATE THAT ARE GOING TO BE EXPONENTIALLY MORE EXPENSIVE IF WE HAVE TO CUT UP THE ROAD.
THE CURED IN PLACE PIPE LINING IS A, UH, METHOD THAT IS, UH, MORE COST EFFECTIVE THAN ACTUALLY PULLING THE PIPE OUTTA THE GROUND THROUGH AN OPEN CUT METHOD AND REPLACING IT.
UH, THIS PARTICULAR REPAIR METHOD IS USUALLY GOOD FOR APPROXIMATELY 50 YEARS OR MORE.
UM, WE HAVE, UH, APPROXIMATELY 2,900 LINEAR FOOT OF VARIOUS PIPE SIZES, UH, RANGING FROM 15 TO 42 INCHES IN DIAMETER, WHICH WE ARE PROPOSING TO MAKE REPAIRS TO, UM, IF WE NEED ADDITIONAL REPAIRS FOR THESE PIPES.
BEYOND WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE NOTED, UH, WE MAY BE COMING BACK TO COUNCIL FOR AN ADDITIONAL WORK ORDER FOR THIS.
FUNDING IS AVAILABLE UNDER THE ANNUAL RESURFACING BUDGET.
UH, PROJECT NUMBER 6 8 0 2 1 APPROVED.
AND WE'RE REQUESTING APPROVAL OF WORK ORDER NUMBER SIX TO THE STORM DRAIN, CLEANING, REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE, UH, NOT TO EXCEED CONTRACT WITH SHENANDOAH GENERAL CONSTRUCTION, LLC OF POMPANO OB IN THE AMOUNT OF $500,000.
ALRIGHT, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. ENNIS? SEEING NONE, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION VICE MAYOR, MA'AM.
APPROVAL ORDINANCE NUMBER SIX TO THE STORM DRAIN CLEANING, REPAIR, MAINTENANCE, NOT TO EXCEED THE CONTRACT WITH NANDO GENERAL CONSTRUCTION, LLC, POMPANO BEACH, FLORIDA TO 500,000.
ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION BY MS. HANLEY, A SECOND BY MS. BASSETT.
ALRIGHT, ITEM NUMBER 14 IS FOR WORK ORDER NUMBER SEVEN TO THE STORM DRAIN CLEANING, REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE CONTRACT WITH SHENANDOAH GENERAL CONSTRUCTION FOR CLEANING AND VIDEO INSPECTION.
UM, THIS IS BASICALLY THE NEXT BATCH OF, UH, ROADWAYS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
UH, SO OUR FIRST STEP IN THE PROCESS IS WE GO OUT AND WE CLEAN AND WE VIDEO.
UM, AS PART OF THE RESULT OF THAT VIDEO INSPECTION THAT WE'RE PROPOSING UNDER THIS WORK ORDER.
UH, THAT'S HOW WE DETERMINE WHAT REPAIRS NEED TO BE MADE AND WHERE THOSE REPAIRS SHOULD BE MADE.
UH, SO IN THIS CASE, WE ARE REQUESTING, UH, FUNDS FOR
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THE INSPECTION OF APPROXIMATELY THIRTY TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY SIX ARY FOOT OF VARYING PIPE SIZES, UH, AT THE LOCATIONS INDICATED ON THE ABOVE.EXHIBIT, UH, FUNDING IS AVAILABLE IN THE ANNUAL RESURFACING BUDGET, UH, PROJECT 6 8 0 2 1.
WE'RE REQUESTING APPROVAL OF WORK ORDER NUMBER SEVEN TO THE STORM DRAIN CLEANING, REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE CONTRACT WITH SHENANDOAH GENERAL CONSTRUCTION, POMPANO BEACH OF $75,000.
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. ENNIS? SEEING NONE, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION VICE MAYOR MA'AM.
APPROVAL OF WORK ORDER NUMBER SEVEN TO THE STORM DRAIN CLEANING REPAIR AT MAINTENANCE CONTRACT WITH SHENANDOAH GENERAL CON, GENERAL CONSTRUCTION, LLC, POMPANO BEACH, FLORIDA FOR $75,000.
ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION BY MS. HANLEY, A SECOND BY MS. BASSETT.
ITEM NUMBER 15, MR. ENNIS, ALL THIS IS FOR WORK ORDER.
UH, NUMBER 24 DASH ZERO THREE WITH VA PAVING INC.
OF COCOA FLORIDA FOR ASPHALT MILLING FOR THE ANNUAL RESURFACING PROGRAM.
UH, THE 2014 PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PLAN IDENTIFIED METHODOLOGIES, UH, USING A COMBINATION OF STANDARD MILLING AND RESURFACING IN PLACE, COLD PLACE IN CEILING, COLD IN PLACE, RECYCLING RECONSTRUCTION AND BASE REPAIRS TO OPTIMIZE CITY DOLLARS.
UH, THE CITY'S BILLING AND RESURFACING EFFORTS ARE FOCUSED ON STREETS WITH AN AVERAGE PAYMENT CONDITION INDEX OF LESS THAN 60.
UH, THIS IS BASICALLY JUST A WAY TO GRADE THE ROADWAYS.
UM, ANYTHING ABOVE 60 IS CONSIDERED PASSABLE.
ANYTHING BELOW 60 WARRANTS ADDITIONAL ATTENTION.
UH, STAFF HAS IDENTIFIED THE NEXT 16 ROADWAY SECTIONS FOR RESURFACING.
THIS WORK ORDER INCLUDES APPROXIMATELY 4.37 MILES OF ROADWAY RESURFACING.
UM, BASE REPAIRS, WHICH IS THE MATERIAL UNDERNEATH THE TOP RIDING SURFACE, IS REQUIRED ON APPROXIMATELY ONE AND A QUARTER MILES OF THE TOTAL RESURFACING AREA.
UH, THE WAY THIS IS GENERALLY DONE IS WITH AN ASPHALT BASE.
SO WE GO OUT, WE'LL CUT, UM, FOUR TO SIX INCHES OUT OF THE ROADWAY.
WE'LL PUT FOUR INCHES OF WHAT'S CALLED BLACK BASIN, AND THEN WE WILL TOP IT WITH AN ADDITIONAL, UH, TWO INCHES OF STRUCTURAL COURSE, WHICH SERVES AS THE RIDING SERVICE FOR THE ROADWAY FUNDING IF IT'S AVAILABLE WITHIN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT BUDGET.
UH, PROJECT NUMBER 6 8 0 2 2, UH, FOR THE ANNUAL RESURFACING PROGRAM.
TOTAL PROJECT BUDGET FOR THIS, UM, WORK ORDER IS $1.3 MILLION.
WE'RE REQUESTING APPROVAL OF WORK ORDER 24 DASH ZERO THREE TO THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT WITH VA PAVING INC.
OF COCO FLORIDA FOR THE ASPHALT MILLING, OR SORRY, ASPHALT AND MILLING FOR THE ANNUAL RESURFACING PROJECT.
6 8 0 2 2 IN THE AMOUNT OF $1.3 MILLION.
ALRIGHT, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. SIR? THANKS, MAYOR.
UH, MR. EN I THANK YOU FOR PRESENTING THOSE THREE.
UH, MY, MY QUESTION IS, I, I THINK THAT WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF CREATING A, A PAVEMENT IMPROVEMENT PLAN, OR IS THAT, UH, YES SIR.
WE WILL BE UPDATING THE PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PLAN, PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PLAN.
SO THERE'S GONNA BE AN RFQ THAT GOES OUT FOR THAT.
UH, WE WILL, UH, BASICALLY REQUEST THAT, UM, OR SOLICIT FROM THE ENGINEERING FIRMS IN THE AREA.
UH, WE'LL GO OUT, THEY WILL, UM, EFFECTIVELY AS PART OF THAT WORK, ASSESS OUR ROADWAYS.
UH, THEY WILL BE GENERATING THAT PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX GRADE, UH, THAT I HAD DISCUSSED EARLIER.
SO THAT'LL BASICALLY BE A FRESH REGRADING OF ALL OF THE, UH, CITY'S ROADWAYS.
AND FROM THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO DEVELOP A PRIORITY LIST, UH, IN ORDER TO FOCUS OR REFOCUS OUR EFFORTS ON, UM, THE ROADWAYS THAT NEED IT THE MOST WITHIN THE CITY OF MELBOURNE.
IT'LL HELP US WITH OUR PRIORITIZATION AND SPENDING.
AND THEN ALSO, I GUESS, WILL HELP US TO IDENTIFY AREAS THAT MAY HAVE BEEN OVERLOOKED, UH, OVER THE YEARS, AND AS WE DO THAT PRIORITY.
THAT BE TRUE, BECAUSE I, I'VE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH SOMEBODY AND THEY WOULD BE REALLY UPSET IF WE DO ROLES AND THEN WE HAVE TO DIG THEM UP WHEN THEY'RE BRAND NEW.
WE DON'T REALLY, WE REALLY WANT TO AVOID THAT.
YOU REMEMBER WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? WOW.
THEY, THEY, THEY SPENT A MILLION DOLLARS TO PUT THIS CROSSWALK IN.
THEY DIDN'T DO ANY ASSESSMENT OF WHAT WE WERE, WHAT WAS GOING ON IN MELBOURNE.
THINK YOU FOR THE REAL WORLD EXAMPLE, RIGHT? THAT WAS THAT RIGHT? THAT WAS GOVERNMENT AT ITS FINEST.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. ESS? SEEING NONE, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
OH, VICE MAYOR, UH, UH, CREST APPROVAL WORK ORDER NUMBER 24 DASH ZERO THREE FOR ASSET ASPHALT AND MILLING FOR ANNUAL RESURFACING PROGRAM, UH, TO VA PAVING INC IN COCOA FLORIDA NOT TO EXCEED THE AMOUNT OF 1.3 MILLION.
ITEM NUMBER 16, MR. RENI, YOU'RE STILL HERE.
YOU GOT ME FOR THIS ONE AND ANOTHER ONE.
UH, THIS IS FOR THE CONTRACT AWARD FOR STREET SWEEPING TO SWEEP ONE LLC.
THIS IS A PIGGYBACK CONTRACT AWARD FOR STREET SWEEPING SERVICES TO REMOVE, REMOVE DEBRIS FROM THE ROADWAY AS A COMPONENT OF THE CITY'S EFFORTS TO REMOVE NUTRIENTS FROM INDIA ENTERING THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON.
UM, SWEEP ONE WAS AWARDED THE, UH, BREVARD COUNTY CONTRACT FOR SWEET SWEEP STREET SWEEPING,
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UM, GOING FROM MARCH 14TH, 2024 THROUGH APRIL 23RD, 2026.UH, THIS CONTRACTOR HAS A HISTORY OF SATISFACTORILY COMPLETING PROJECTS FOR THE CITY OF MELBOURNE AND BREVARD COUNTY.
UM, OUR PROCUREMENT POLICY ALLOWS FOR US TO PIGGYBACK CONTRACTS, UH, THROUGH THE USE OF COMPETITIVE SOLICITATION, WHICH BREVARD DID GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
UH, THE CONTRACT IS A BASE CONTRACT WITH A UNIT PRICING OF $41 AND 4 CENTS PER CURB MILE.
UH, SWEPT THE CITY MAINTAINS ROUGHLY 600 CURB MILES OF CITY ROADWAY AND APPROXIMATELY 70 CURB MILES FOR THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION THROUGH MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS.
UH, THERE'S A SURCHARGE OF $16 PER CURB MILE FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THE MAINTENANCE OF TRAFFIC ON FEOT ROADWAYS.
SO WE PAY AN EXTRA $16 PER MILE ON THOSE, UH, BECAUSE THE DOT HAS A HIGHER, UH, STANDARD OF, UH, MAINTENANCE OF TRAFFIC REQUIRED, GENERALLY BECAUSE THE ROADWAYS ARE HIGHER SPEED AND, UH, HIGHER VOLUME.
UM, UNDER THIS CONTRACT, ALL THE ROADWAYS MAINTAINED BY THE CITY WILL BE SWEPT SIX TIMES A YEAR.
SWEEPING OCCURS, UH, IN THE FOLLOWING MONTHS OF AUGUST, OCTOBER, DECEMBER, FEBRUARY, APRIL AND JUNE.
UH, THIS CONTRACT COVERS ALL COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH STREET SWEEPING, INCLUDING THE DISPOSAL OF COLLECTED MATERIALS.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, UH, THIS WILL, UM, ALLOW FOR US TO, UM, REQUEST ADDITIONAL STREET SWEEPING, UH, DOWNTOWN, UH, WHEN WE HAVE EQUIPMENT MALFUNCTIONS AND ISSUES WITH OUR OWN STREET SWEEPER, UH, IN CASE WE NEED TO SUPPLEMENT OUR ABILITIES TO DO THE WORK.
UH, FUNDING IS AVAILABLE FROM ACCOUNT 5 8 2 0 0 4 5, SORRY, 5 8 2 0 0 5 4 1 5 3 4 STORMWATER UTILITY OPERATIONS, OTHER CONTRACT SERVICES.
THE ESTIMATED AMOUNT FOR THE REMAINDER OF FISCAL YEAR 25 IS $28,617.
AND, UH, THE ESTIMATED COST FOR FISCAL YEAR 26 IS $143,085.
WE'RE REQUESTING APPROVAL OF THE CONTRACT AWARD FOR STREET SWEEPING TO SWEEP ONE LLC OF SANFORD, FLORIDA IN THE AMOUNT OF $171,702.
ALRIGHT, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. ES, SIR? YES, MA'AM.
UH, FIRST ONE, I'LL START WITH, UH, YOU, YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT FDOT AND THEN I'M ALSO WONDERING ABOUT THE COUNTY.
SO DO THEY SORT OF HELP US TO SUPPLEMENT SOME OF OUR COSTS FOR THE STREET SWEEPING OF THEIR CURBS OR ANYTHING? UH, FOR THE, THE DOT, UH, WE HAVE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS WITH THE DOT.
SO, UH, BASICALLY THE DOT PAYS US A FIXED AMOUNT OF MONEY, UH, TO MAINTAIN, UH, DOT ROADWAYS SUCH AS US ONE MM-HMM
UM, WHAT WILL OCCUR IS WE BASICALLY DO THE STREET SWEEPING OUT THERE AND THERE'S A FIXED COST THAT THEY REIMBURSE US FOR EACH OF THOSE ROADWAYS.
WE HAVE SIMILAR AGREEMENTS FOR, UH, STREET LIGHTING AND OTHER, UH, TYPES OF FEATURES WITHIN THE DOT RIGHT OF WAY.
UH, WE DO NOT DO ANY MAINTENANCE FOR THE COUNTY, UH, THE COUNTY.
THIS IS, WE'RE ACTUALLY PIGGYBACKING OFF THEIR STREET SWEEPING CONTRACTS.
SO THIS IS PURELY, UM, WE'RE DISCUSSING THIS AS AGREEMENTS BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.
UH, SECOND QUESTION IS, CAN YOU TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR, OUR, THE CITY OF MELBOURNE STREET SWEEPER OR OUR STREET SWEEPING RESOURCES? UH, YES, SIR.
UH, WE DO HAVE A, A STREET SWEEPER.
UH, WE GENERALLY, UH, HANDLE STREET SWEEPING, UH, THE DOWNTOWN ENVIRONMENT, UH, MOSTLY BECAUSE IT REQUIRES A LITTLE BIT HIGHER FREQUENCY, UH, THAN THE ONCE EVERY TWO MONTHS, UH, THAT WE'RE DOING ON THE OTHER ROADWAYS.
UM, STREET SWEEPERS ARE, UH, FAIRLY COMPLICATED AND HIGH MAINTENANCE PIECES OF EQUIPMENT, UH, AND THEY TEND TO BREAK DOWN, UM, UNFORTUNATELY AT THE WORST POSSIBLE TIME.
UH, SO, UM, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THIS CONTRACT IS ALLOW FOR A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY IF WE LOSE THE EQUIPMENT.
UH, AND IT TAKES A WHILE TO FIX IT BECAUSE A PARTICULAR COMPONENT IS HARD TO COME BY.
UH, WE CAN STILL DO STREET SWEEPING DOWNTOWN BEFORE AND AFTER EVENTS IF NECESSARY, OR IF WE JUST HAVE, UH, SOME CERTAIN SITUATIONS THAT MAKE THE ROADWAY, UH, PUT IT INTO A CONDITION THAT'S NOT, UM, AS, UH, SUITABLE AS THAT, WE'D LIKE TO MAINTAIN IT, UH, BECAUSE THOSE ARE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE DOWNTOWN, UH, BUSINESS AREAS AND SUCH.
AND THEN MY FINAL THIRD QUESTION IS, UH, HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF STREET SWEEPING AS, AS FAR AS THE REQUIREMENT.
AND THEN IS THAT KIND OF A OVERALL PART OF A LITTER OR KEBAR BEAUTIFUL TYPE INITIATIVE OR A REQUIREMENT FOR US? IT, IT'S THERE, THERE'S MULTIPLE BENEFITS TO IT.
UM, THE PRIMARY REASON THAT WE DO THE STREET SWEEPING CONTRACT, UH, FOR THE CITY HERE, HERE IS WE GET BENEFITS FOR THE, UM, PREVENTION OF, UM, VEGETATIVE DEBRIS AND LITTER GOING INTO THE LAGOON.
UM, A LOT OF OUR INLETS ARE DIRECT TO THE LAGOON CONNECTIONS.
UH, SO ANYTHING THAT GOES INTO THE DRAIN IS EVENTUALLY GONNA GET FLUSHED INTO THE LAGOON.
UM, WE GET A CERTAIN CREDIT, UH, FOR THE DEBRIS REMOVED AS PART OF OUR, UH, BASIN MANAGEMENT ACTION PLAN OR BMAP REQUIREMENTS.
UH, SO BASICALLY EVERY POUND OF DEBRIS, UH, THAT GETS TAKEN OFF THE ROADWAY AND TAKEN TO A, UM, THE DUMP.
UM, WE GET A CREDIT FOR THAT AGAINST OUR, UM, REDUCTION REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE TO MEET FOR BMAP.
UM, IF WE DON'T MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS FURTHER
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ON, UH, THERE ARE POTENTIAL FISCAL CONSEQUENCES FOR US BECAUSE THAT, THAT IS A-D-D-E-P AGREEMENT.UH, SO THIS IS HELPING US MEET THOSE GOALS.
UM, ANOTHER BENEFIT TO THAT IS THAT WE ALSO KEEP THE STREETS, UH, MUCH CLEANER.
UM, IT IS GENERALLY A GOOD IDEA TO REMOVE, UH, THAT DEBRIS WHILE IT'S IN THE STREET.
UM, IF IT GOES INTO THE DRAINS, UM, AND IS NOT FLUSHED OUT, IT WILL TEND TO CLOG THOSE DRAINS.
SO IT'S A LOT CHEAPER TO MAINTAIN THAT AND REMOVE THAT MATERIAL BEFORE IT GOES INTO THE STORM WATER SYSTEM THAN IT IS TO TRY TO PULL THAT OUT OF THE STORM WATER SYSTEM AFTER THE FACT.
UM, AND UH, I JUST WANTED TO SAY, UM, THANK YOU FOR PAYING ATTENTION TO DOWNTOWN MELBOURNE STRAI.
I NOTICED THAT IN YOUR PRESENTATION.
UH, JUST KEEP THOSE IN MIND FOR NOW AND IN THE FUTURE.
I KNOW THE SHOP OWNERS WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IT, UM, FOR BASED ON THEIR CONCERNS.
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. RENIS? NO, SIR.
SEEING NONE, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION VICE MAYOR MA'AM, APPROVAL OF CONTRACT FOR SWEEP STREET SWEEPING, SWEEPING ONE LLC, SANFORD, FLORIDA, AND THE AMOUNT OF $171,702.
ALL I HAVE A MOTION BY MS. HANLEY, A SECOND BY MS. BASSETT.
THIS IS THE LAST ONE, I PROMISE.
UH, THIS IS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT AWARD TO BDI MARINE CONTRACTORS, LLC OF HO SOUND, UH, FLORIDA FOR THE ESPANOLA BAFFLE BOX PROJECT.
UH, THIS PROJECT INCLUDES THE INSTALLATION OF A BAFFLE BOX, UH, WHICH WILL HAVE A SECOND GENERATION, UM, BIO ABSORPTION ACTIVATED MEDIA, UH, COMMONLY CORN AS BOLD AND GOLD.
UM, THIS BAFFLE BOX IS INTENDED TO REDUCE THE TOTAL NITROGEN, UH, GOING INTO THE LAGOON BY APPROXIMATELY 1,119 POUNDS, ALONG WITH REMOVING APPROXIMATELY 148 POUNDS OF PHOSPHORUS, UH, FROM OUR STORM WATER BEFORE IT ENTERS THE LAGOON.
UH, THE PROJECT WAS ORIGINALLY ESTIMATED TO COST APPROXIMATELY 1.5, UM, WELL ALMOST $1.6 MILLION.
UH, THE CITY RECEIVED FIVE BIDS IN RESPONSE TO THE ADVERTISEMENT.
UH, THE APPARENT LOW BIDDER IS BDI MARINE CONTRACTORS IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,624,864 AND 57 CENTS.
UH, WE HAVE REVIEWED THEIR, UM, REFERENCES AND WE RE UH, RECOMMEND AWARDING BDI, UH, THE CONTRACT TO BDI MARINE CONTRACTORS OF HOPE SOUND, FLORIDA, FOR THE AMOUNT OF $1,624,864 AND 57 CENTS.
UM, THIS PROJECT IS FUNDED BY A COMBINATION OF STORMWATER UTILITY FEES, ALLEGED LEGISLATIVE APPROPRIATION IN THE AMOUNT OF $287,500 AND THE SAVE OUR INDIAN RIVER LAGOON HALF CENT SALES TAX, UM, PROGRAM, UH, IN THE AMOUNT OF $150,422.
UM, THIS WAS, UM, 150,422 WAS RECENTLY INCREASED FROM $105,186 BECAUSE THERE WAS ADDITIONAL FUNDS AVAILABLE.
UM, THE PROJECT IS CURRENTLY NOT ADEQUATELY FUNDED.
A BUDGET RESOLUTION IS NECESSARY TO APPROPRIATE THE ADDITIONAL, UM, SAVE OUR INDIAN RIVER LAGOON FUNDING.
IN ADDITION, UH, BUDGET TRANSFERS FROM TWO EXISTING PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN DEFERRED ARE NECESSARY TO PROCEED WITH A PROJECT.
UH, THIS INCLUDES A BUDGET TRANSFER IN THE AMOUNT OF 200 THOUSANDS FROM THE WEST O GALLEY, UH, BASIN, KINGS MILL PHASE ONE, UH, PROJECT, WHICH IS PROJECT NUMBER 2 0 3 1 9 AND 300,000 FROM THE STEWART ROAD, UH, BIOACTIVATED MATERIAL, UM, MEDIA FILTRATION SYSTEM, UH, WHICH IS SIMILAR TO A BAFFLE BOX PROJECT, UH, PROJECT NUMBER 2 0 2 1 9.
UM, THE ALI PROJECT IS BEING ELIMINATED DUE TO THE FACT THAT AFTER MULTIPLE ATTEMPTS TO OBTAIN EASEMENTS FROM THE PROPERTY OWNERS, WE COULD NOT GET THE APPROPRIATE EASEMENTS THAT WE NEEDED TO INSTALL, UH, THE BAFFLE BOX.
UH, BASICALLY WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH REAL ESTATE TO PUT IT IN THE GROUND WITHOUT IMPACTING THE ADJUSTING, UH, NEIGHBORS.
UH, THE STEWART ROAD, UH, FILTRATION SYSTEM PROJECT, UH, WAS PLACED ON HOLD AS OTHER PROJECTS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION, UH, PROVIDE MORE TREATMENT, UH, THAN THIS PROJECT.
SO THIS, UM, BASICALLY IS PART OF OUR BMAP REQUIREMENTS FOR REDUCING NUTRIENT LOADING GOING TO THE LAGOON.
UM, THIS PROJECT HAS A BETTER BANG FOR THE BUCK THAN THE, UH, STEWART ROAD PROJECT.
UH, JUST MOSTLY BECAUSE THE AMOUNT THAT WE'RE GETTING OUT AND THE PARTICULAR LOCATION THAT THESE, UH, NUTRIENTS ARE BEING REMOVED FROM.
UM, THIS AGAIN GOES TO OUR GOALS WITH DEP IN ORDER TO, UH, MEET OUR NUTRIENT REDUCTION GOALS FOR THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON.
UH, WE ARE REQUESTING, UH, THREE DIFFERENT ACTIONS.
UH, FIRST IS THE APPROVAL OF OUR SAVE, OUR INDIAN RIVER LAGOON PROJECT COST SHARE FUNDING AGREEMENT, UH, BETWEEN BREVARD COUNTY AND THE CITY OF MELBOURNE.
UH, SUBSTANTIALLY IN THE FORM OF, AS INCLUDED IN THE AGENDA PACKET AND AUTHORIZATION FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE AGREEMENT IN ALL RELATED DOCUMENTS.
UH, THEN WE ARE REQUESTING APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION NUMBER 4 3 6 2, UH, WHICH APPROPRIATES THE FUNDS.
UH, THE THIRD ACTION IS GOING TO BE, UH, APPROVAL OF THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTS SUBSTANTIALLY IN THE FORM AS PRESENTED TO BDI MARINE CONTRACTORS OF HOPE ZONE FLORIDA, WHERE THE ESPANOLA BAFFLE BOX PROJECT NUMBER 2 0 1 2 0 IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,624,864 AND 57 CENTS.
THE CHERRY STREET BAFFLE BOX, WHICH IS ALSO UNDER CONSTRUCTION,
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WHICH IS NEAR THE, UM, UH, SPACE COAST, UH, AREA TRANSIT HUB, THAT'S RIGHT OFF US ONE AND CHERRY STREET.UH, SO THIS WOULD BE, UH, NUMBER 21.
I KNEW WE WERE IN THE TWENTIES.
I ASKED THAT QUESTION ONE TIME BEFORE AND NOBODY KNEW.
YOU, AND HOW MANY DAMN BACK FILL BOXES DO YOU HAVE? WE'RE STARTING TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE THEY'RE HARD TO KEEP TRACK OF, SO YES, SIR.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. ANNIS? SEEING NONE, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION VICE MAYOR, MA'AM, APPROVALS OF SAVE OUR, SAVE OUR INDIAN LAGOON PROJECT, COST SAVING FUND AGREEMENT BETWEEN BAVAR COUNTY AND THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, SUBSTANTIALLY IN THE FORM OF, SUBSTANTIALLY IN THE FORM AS INCLUDED IN THE AGENDA PACKAGE AND AUTHORIZED FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE, EXECUTE THE AGREEMENT AND ALL RELATED DOCUMENTS.
ALRIGHT, SO I GOT A MOTION BY MS. HANLEY, A SECOND BY MYSELF.
MAY MY MAYOR MA'AM, APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION 43 62.
ALRIGHT, SECOND BY MS. BASSETT.
ALRIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ANOTHER MOTION VICE MAYOR MA'AM, THE CONSTRUCTION, THE APPROVAL OF CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTS SUBSTANTIALLY IN THE FORM AS PRESENTED TO BDI MARINE CONTRACTORS, LLC OF HOPE SOUND, FLORIDA, FOR THE ESPANOLA STREET BAFFLE BOX, PROJECT NUMBER 2 0 1 2 0 IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,624,864 AND 57 CENTS.
DID YOU ALL? AND I'LL SECOND THAT ONE.
SORRY TO DISAPPOINT ALL GOOD EVENING, VICE MAYOR COUNCIL.
UH, WE'D LIKE TO PRESENT TO YOU TONIGHT, UH, TASK ORDER NUMBER JEG 17, UH, TO THE CONTINUING CONTRACT FOR PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING SERVICES WITH JACOBS ENGINEERING GROUP, UH, FOR THE SUPERVISORY CONTROL AND DATA ACQUISITION FOR THE SCADA SECURE MAINTENANCE ACCESS NETWORK EQUIPMENT AT OUR WATER PRODUCTION FACILITY.
BASICALLY, WHAT THE, WHAT THE CADA NETWORK IS THAT ALLOWS US TO MONITOR AND CONTROL, UH, AND BASICALLY OPERATE THE WATER PROTECTION FACILITIES.
UM, AS PART OF THIS WORK, UH, OUR EXISTING NETWORK, UH, SCADA SWITCHES RIGHT NOW ARE RIGHT AROUND EIGHT YEARS OLD.
AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO A POINT WHERE WE'RE, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE REPLACING OUR SWITCHES WITHIN ABOUT A, UH, FIVE YEAR TIME PERIOD, WHICH IS MORE, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR TECHNOLOGY LIKE THAT, UH, THAT'LL GIVE US MUCH MORE DEPENDABILITY, MORE ROBUST SYSTEM.
SO WHAT THIS CONSISTS OF IS REPLACING, UH, THE CA NETWORK CORE SWITCHES, WHICH ARE LOCATED AT THE, UH, REVERSE OSMOSIS PLAYING ON THE NORTH SIDE OF LAKE WASHINGTON ROAD.
THOSE CORE SWITCHES DIRECTLY COMMUNICATE AND CONNECT.
UH, THEY PROVIDE THE CONNECTIVITY TO OUR, OUR SOUTH PLANT, OUR SERVICE WATER FACILITY.
SO, UH, SO THIS, UH, THIS SCOPE OF WORK INCLUDES A REPLACEMENT OF THOSE CORE SWITCHES.
UH, IT ALSO INCLUDES INSTALLATION AND, UH, CONFIGURATION OF FIREWALLS, UH, AT THE PLANT, UH, BOTH PLANT FACILITIES, UH, IN OUR REMOTE BOOSTER PUMP STATION LOCATIONS.
UH, WHAT THAT'S GONNA DO IS THAT'S GONNA GIVE US A HIGHER LEVEL OF, OF, UH, REALLY A, A MORE ROBUST SYSTEM, MORE SECURE.
UM, AND, AND THEN ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT'S, THAT'S HAPPENING HERE WITH THE, THE REPLACEMENT OF THE C OF COURSE, WHICH IS THEY HAVE AN INTEGRATED COMPONENT, WHAT'S WHAT'S BASICALLY CALLED A COPPER TO FIBER MEDIA CONVERTERS.
WHAT WE DO, UH, THESE FIELD DEVICES THAT WE CONTROL AND MONITOR, THEY GENERATE BASICALLY ELECTRICAL SIGNAL THROUGH COPPER AND TO TRANSMIT THAT SIGNAL THROUGH FIBER.
WAS IT, WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING IS THERE'S, THERE'S A, UH, THERE'S A CONVERTER WHICH BASICALLY TRANSMITS, ITS A LIGHT FOR THE MOST PART, SO IT CAN RUN THROUGH FIBER.
BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS IN THE, WITHIN OUR, OUR SCADA SYSTEM RIGHT NOW, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF THESE, UH, THESE, UH, THESE SEPARATE, UH, FIBER TO COPPER, UH, MEDIA CONVERTER ELEMENTS.
AND THE, THE NEAT THING ABOUT THESE, THESE NEW SWITCHES THAT WE'RE REPLACING 'EM WITH IS THEY'RE INTEGRATED WITH THE CONVERTER.
WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA PULL THESE, THESE OLD OLDER TECHNOLOGY, UH, MEDIA CONVERTERS OUT.
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S PRIMARILY SCOPE OF SERVICES, UH, FUNDING'S PROVIDED BY, UH, OUR WATER PRODUCTION, UM, MACHINERY AND EQUIPMENT ACCOUNT.
AND, UH, OUR REQUESTED ACTION COUNCIL IS APPROVAL OF TASK ORDER, UH, NUMBER JEG 17 TO THE PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING SERVICES CONTRACT FOR CDA, UH, FOR THE SECURE MAINTENANCE ACCESS NETWORK EQUIPMENT, UH, TO JACOB'S ENGINEERING GROUP IN THE AMOUNT OF $186,020.
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AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS COUNSEL MAY HAVE.DO I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
APPROVAL OF TASK ORDER JJEG 17 TO THE PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING SERVICE CONTRACT FOR THE, THE ADVISORY CONTROL AND DATA ACQUISITION FOR THE S-C-A-D-A SECURE MAINTENANCE ACCESS NETWORK EQUIPMENT TO JACOB ENGINEERING GROUP, ORLANDO, FLORIDA FOR $186,020.
ALRIGHT, A MOTION BY MS. HANLEY, A SECOND BY MS. BASSETT.
I DON'T SEE ANYTHING PULLED OFF OF IT.
DO I HAVE A MOTION? VICE MAYOR, SIR.
MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF CONSENT AGENDA.
I HAVE A MOTION BY MR. SMITH, A SECOND BY MS. BASSETT.
OH, THAT'S ROOF ITEM NUMBER 21.
ALRIGHT, WE HAVE, SORRY, I'M PLAN CATCH UP ON MY DOCUMENTS HERE, VICE MAYOR.
SIR, I MOVE THAT WE, UH, POSTPONED THIS UNTIL THE MAYOR COMES BECAUSE HE REQUESTED THIS ACTION.
UH, JENNY, I WAS ADAM, IF WE SPEAK ON IT, I WAS GONNA HAVE ADAM DO THE INTRO TO IT, BUT THAT'S UP TO YOU.
I DON'T WANNA INTERRUPT YOUR, AND THE, THE LAST WORD I GOTTEN FROM THE MAYOR WAS HE, HE HAD SUGGESTED MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS ITEM DESPITE, DESPITE HIS ABSENCE.
BUT I WILL TAKE COUNSEL'S DIRECTION AND PLEASURE ON WHETHER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DISCUSSION OR NOT.
WELL, I ASSUME WE HAVE SPEAKERS ON THIS.
DO WE HAVE A GROUP? I'M OKAY WITH MOVING FORWARD IF YOU WANT CONSENSUS.
WELL, THAT'S, NO, THAT'S FINE.
I MEAN, I JUST, I JUST FIGURED THE MAYOR HAD INFORMATION.
NO, NO, YOU'RE, NO, YOU'RE GREAT.
SO I JUST ASSUMED THAT THE MAYOR HAS SOME INFORMATION HE WOULD WANTED TO PRESENT TO COUNCIL AS WELL TOO, YOU KNOW, FROM, FROM HIS PERSPECTIVE.
BUT IF HE CALLED ADAM AND SAID GO FOR IT, THAT'S FINE WITH ME.
I WAS JUST TRYING TO BE RESPECTFUL OF THE MAYOR.
NO, I THINK WE'RE VERY RESPECTFUL BY ASKING THAT.
DO WE WANNA START WITH THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN WE'LL KIND OF GO FROM THERE.
DOES EVERYONE, OR DO WE WANNA TALK TO ADAM? ADAM, ADAM, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING? MAYBE JUST A LITTLE BIT OF A BACKGROUND FOR, FOR COUNSEL TO, TO, TO START.
SO, UM, AGAIN, COUNSEL, COUNSEL MAY RECALL, UM, RECEIVING SORT OF CORRESPONDENCE THIS, THIS PETITION, UH, DURING OUR, OUR JUNE, UH, COUNCIL MEETING.
AND THERE WAS PUBLIC COMMENT ON IT REGARDING, UM, CONCERNS ABOUT LARGE GROUP FEEDINGS, PARTICULARLY IN RIVERVIEW PARK.
UM, AND REQUESTED ACTIONS FROM THAT THE MAYOR HAD ASKED, ASKED FOR THIS DISCUSSION ITEM.
AND SO THE, UM, COUNCIL PACKET INCLUDES, UM, THE EXISTING CODE LANGUAGE IN, IN CHAPTER 42, UH, MEMORANDUM FROM MY OFFICE FROM, UH, DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY RICHARD BROOM AND MYSELF, UM, AS WELL AS SOME, UM, ACTIVITY, UH, INFORMATION, UH, REPORT FROM PARKS AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UH, RELATING TO, UM, ACTIVITIES AND, AND THINGS THAT THEY'VE SEEN SURROUNDING RIVERVIEW PARK, UM, SINCE, UH, LARGE GROUP FEEDINGS HAVE HAVE BEGUN SINCE LAST AUGUST.
UM, IF I, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU, IF YOU'D LIKE A, A BRIEF SUMMARY OF, OF MY MEMO RIGHT.
THE, THE, THE STORY OF THE, OUR LARGE GROUP FEEDING REGULATIONS, UH, IN CITY CODE BEGINS BASICALLY IN 2011 WHEN THERE WAS, UH, COUNCIL DISCUSSION ABOUT, ABOUT THE PARTICULAR TOPIC.
UM, AND, AND A NEED TO ADDRESS, UM, WHAT WE'RE SEEN AS, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL ISSUES WITH, UM, THOSE FEEDINGS OCCURRING.
THERE WASN'T ANY DIRECT ACTION TAKEN IN IN 2011, BUT IT CAME BACK IN 2014.
UH, AND COUNCIL, UM, AND THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, UH, WORKED WITH A, UH, CONSTITUTIONAL LAW SPECIALIST, THE LOCAL ATTORNEY, UM, WHO WE'VE USED IN, IN OTHER ISSUES AS WELL, MICHAEL KAHN.
UM, THOSE DISCUSSIONS AND, AND RECOMMENDATIONS LED TO, UM, THE LANGUAGE THAT'S IN, UM, CHAPTER 42 NOW.
BASICALLY THE, THE LANGUAGE HASN'T BEEN SUBSTANTIALLY CHANGED SINCE IT WAS ADOPTED IN 2014.
UM, THAT LANGUAGE WAS VERY MUCH, UM, CRAFTED AND, AND GENERATED BASED ON, UM, FEDERAL CASE LAW THAT WE WERE SEEING IN OTHER PARTS OF FLORIDA, PARTICULARLY, UM, OUTTA THE CITY OF ORLANDO.
UM, AND, UH, AGAIN, I THINK IS, UH, TRYING TO BALANCE INTERESTS OF COMMUNITY INTERESTS AS WELL AS, UM, OF THOSE OF, UM, WANTING TO CONDUCT THIS EXPRESSIVE CONDUCT.
YOU KNOW, THE, THE FEDERAL COURTS HAVE BASICALLY SAID THAT FOOD DISTRIBUTION IS, UH, AN ACTIVITY THAT'S PROTECTED BY THE FIRST AMENDMENT.
AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE ARE TASKED WITH ENSURING THAT OUR TRADITIONAL PUBLIC FORUMS, SUCH AS PUBLIC PARKS
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ARE, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, OPEN AND, AND ABLE TO BE USED FOR THOSE, THOSE VARIOUS PURPOSES.AND THAT THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES FOR THAT TYPE OF EXPRESSIVE CONDUCT.
AND SO, AGAIN, THAT THE, WHAT, WHAT COUNCIL IN 2014 ADOPTED IS, IS AGAIN, THE, THE EXISTING LANGUAGE.
UM, I, IF YOU KNOW FROM A, FROM A PURELY LEGAL PERSPECTIVE AND NOT, AND NOT TAKING, UM, ANY OF THE PRACTICAL CONSIDERATIONS OR, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL HEAR FROM, FROM COUNSEL AND, AND STAFF ON, YOU KNOW, THE ACTIVITIES GOING ON IN THOSE OTHER THINGS.
I, I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE EXISTING ORDINANCE IS DEFENDABLE FROM A, FROM A CONSTITUTIONAL STANDPOINT.
IF THERE IS A COUNCIL DESIRE OR, YOU KNOW, NEED OR DIRECTION TO ME TO CONSIDER REVISIONS TO THAT, HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
I WILL JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, THE, THE MORE THAT WE SORT OF NARROW THAT SCOPE OR ELIMINATE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THAT EXPRESSIVE CONDUCT TO OCCUR, THE, THE MORE LIKELY WE ARE TO, YOU KNOW, BE OPENING OURSELVES UP FOR CHALLENGE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S NOT ME, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO STEER AWAY FROM THIS.
I'M, I'M HAPPY TO DISCUSS, YOU KNOW, ANY REVISIONS OR SUGGESTIONS THAT COUNCIL HAS, QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
BUT I CAN TELL YOU FROM THE EXISTING CODE LANGUAGE, I THINK PROVIDES THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT EXPRESSIVE CON CONDUCT TO OCCUR AND THE PARTS AND THE DATES AND TIMES THAT WERE CHOSEN BASED ON THE CURRENT LANGUAGE.
I THINK WERE BASED ON THAT, THAT BALANCE OF INTEREST.
UM, AND THEN JUST MY KIND OF THOUGHTS ON IT.
I, IT'S KIND OF PIGGYBACKING ON THE LAST PART THAT YOU HAD.
SO WE, MY, SOMETHING THAT CAME TO MY ATTENTION THIS WEEK NOT RELATED, IS THAT APPARENTLY WE HAVE MORE PARKLAND IN THE CITY OF MELBOURNE THAN SANTA MONICA, CALIFORNIA, OF ALL PLACES.
SO WE HAVE A LOT OF GREEN SPACE AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR FOLKS TO ENGAGE IN THESE SORT OF ACTIVITIES.
BUT WE HAVE CERTAIN ONES THAT ARE APPROVED AND CERTAIN DATES AND TIMES THAT ARE APPROVED.
WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO A STAFF LOOKING AT JUST MIXING UP, YOU KNOW, LOOK, LOOKING AT DIFFERENT LOCATIONS, NOT KEEPING THE, I FOUND THIS ON THE WEB, SORRY, SIRI
SO WE NOW HAVE PROBABLY A DIFFERENT NEED IN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY.
UH, HAPPY TO, HAPPY TO DO THAT.
I, I THINK AGAIN, RIGHT, OF THE 30 PLUS PARKS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED IN CITY CODE, RIGHT? THERE WAS A DIS THERE WAS A DISTINGUISHING CHARACTERISTIC FOR LARGE GROUP FEEDINGS.
AND, AND THE SEVEN PARKS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED ARE, I THINK THE LARGER ONES.
AND, AND NOT ONES THAT ARE IDENTIFIED AS NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS.
AND SO AGAIN, RIGHT, THERE WAS A, THERE WAS AN ATTEMPT TO SAY THESE, THESE SEVEN PARTICULAR PARKS ARE, UH, ARE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS PARTICULAR ACTIVITY THAN OTHER ONES THAT MAY BE MORE EMBEDDED, YOU KNOW, DIRECTLY IN, IN LARGER NEIGHBORHOODS.
IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S DIRECTION TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE 30 PLUS PARKS HOLISTICALLY AND, AND WHICH, WHICH SITES ARE MOST APPROPRIATE.
I I'M, WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO TAKE THAT DIRECTION.
RIGHT? AND, AND WE CAN BRING YOU BACK.
YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I THINK, UM, PARKS DIRECTOR AND INTERNAL MEETINGS THAT WE'VE HAD, RIGHT? PART OF, PART OF WHERE RIVERVIEW PARK AND WELLS PARK, UM, I THINK MEET, MEET SOME OF THE CRITERIA VERSUS OTHER PARKS THAT ARE ON THE LIST THAT MAY BE MORE, YOU KNOW, LISTED ON WEEKDAYS IS AGAIN, THE THE OTHER ACTIVITIES THAT GO ON ON IT, RIGHT? A PLACE LIKE EDDIE LEE TAYLOR, OR, UM, CRANE OR, UM, SOUTHWEST PARK, RIGHT.
LOTS OF ORGANIZED ACTIVITIES, RIGHT.
ESPECIALLY ON, ON THE WEEKENDS, RIGHT? AND SO IT'S AGAIN, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL IN 2014, YOU KNOW, DID THAT BALANCING OF, OF INTEREST.
IF IT'S TIME 11 YEARS LATER TO DO AGAIN, THAT, THAT'S FINE.
BUT I, I WILL STRONGLY RECOMMEND AGAINST SOMETHING THAT RESTRICTS OR FURTHER LIMITS THE OVERALL OPPORTUNITIES THAT, THAT LARGE GROUP FEEDING APPLICANTS HAVE.
WELL, WELL THAT'S MY, THE, THE PURPOSE OF ME SAYING IN MORE OF, IN A STAFF REVIEW FASHION IS TO MAKE YOU GUYS HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY WHERE WE'RE NOT MICROMANAGING AND PUTTING IN A BOX.
SO THAT'S AT LEAST MY, MY INITIAL THOUGHTS ON IT.
BUT DO WE HAVE ANY, MR. SMITH, AND THEN IF YOU WANNA GO YEAH.
UH, SO JUST, JUST READING THIS AND, UH, I, I, I, AND WHAT THE CITY ATTORNEY JUST STATED THAT THE SEVEN PARKS THAT WAS SELECTED OUT OF THE 30, YOU KNOW, WAS KIND OF BASED ON THE, THE SIZE AND THE, UH, LOGISTICS AND OPERATIONS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UH, I'M, I'M OKAY WITH THAT, BUT I'M ALSO AGREE WITH YOU JUST PROVIDING GUIDANCE TO SAY, HEY, LET'S DO ANOTHER, UH, ASSESSMENT, BIG PICTURE ASSESSMENT, AND THEN MAYBE COME DOWN TO, MAYBE THE NUMBER IS, IS MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN SEVEN.
BUT I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO ASK THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE, YOU, AND YOU JUST ALLUDED TO IT, THE CITY ATTORNEY LOOK AT SOME OF THE ACTIVITIES.
SO MAYBE, UH, A SUNDAY AT RIVERVIEW
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PARK IS NOT AMENABLE NOW.OR MAYBE WE, WE COULD LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, BEFORE I GO TO THAT POINT, LEMME ASK THIS QUESTION.
DOES UH, FOOD NOT BOMBS, DO THEY, DO THEY PROJECT, THEY, DO THEY PREDICT WHERE THEY'RE GONNA BE? DO THEY PROVIDE A FLYER OR ANNOUNCEMENT? AND THEN I'LL MAKE MY FINAL, MY POINT ABOUT THAT.
UH, I'M NOT AWARE OF WHAT ING THEY DO.
I THINK WE'LL GET TO PUBLIC COMMENT THAT, SO I'M NOT AWARE OF IT THAT FROM THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE, THEY DO FOOD NOT BOMBS APPLIES FOR THEIR PERMIT WITH US.
AND I, I DON'T THINK THAT WE HAVE THEM APPLY MORE THAN 90 DAYS, 90 DAYS OUT.
AND SO, UM, SO THEY KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GONNA BE FOR THE NEXT 90 DAYS.
LIKE IF A LARGE SCALE EVENT WANTED TO COME UP AT, UM, ONE OF THE PARKS WHERE THEY HAD WANTED TO GO, WE, YOU KNOW, WE LET THEM KNOW.
WE TRY TO ACCOMMODATE AROUND THAT AND NOT FOR, YOU KNOW, TO LET THAT LARGE SCALE EVENT GO ON.
UM, WE, YOU KNOW, WE EVALUATE EVERY 90 DAYS.
WE LOOK AT THE, THE TRASH CONCERNS AND SO FORTH.
SO, SO TO FINISH OUT MY, MY MY STATEMENT, SO, UH, IS THAT IN ADDITION TO MAYBE RE-LOOKING AT THE BIGGER PICTURE, UH, MAYBE SOME DI SOME DEMOGRAPHICS OR THINGS HAVE CHANGED, WE KIND OF RE-LOOK AT THE ACTIVITIES AND THAT WILL BE SORT OF A CLOSER SUBSET LOOK OF THE SEVEN THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED.
BUT THEN WE ALSO SAY THAT MAYBE, UH, CERTAIN, UH, LOCATIONS, UH, UH, FOR THE WEEKENDS BASED OFF OF FAMILY ACTIVITIES, BASED OFF OF OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE CHANGED OVER THE YEARS, UH, WOULD, WOULD ALSO BE LOOKED AT AND CONSIDERED, UH, AS WE MAKE OUR, UH, OPINIONS.
MS. BASSETT AND THEN MS. HANLEY, UH, SO I'M, I'M NOTICING THAT RIVERVIEW PARK HAS, UH, SATURDAY AND SUNDAYS FROM 10 TILL TWO, AND THEN ALSO FOUR UNTIL FIVE.
BUT THE RIVERVIEW PARK ALSO HOSTS THE, UM, MELBOURNE FARMERS MARKET THAT SAME DAY.
EV I THINK IT'S EVERY OTHER WEEKEND.
WE REALLY WANNA, CAN WE BREAK THAT UP A BIT SO THAT THE FARMER'S MARKET CAN HAVE THEIR SPACE? THEY, THEY DO HAVE THAT, THAT COMES DOWN TO THE, TO THE ACTIVITY.
I HATE TO SAY RENTAL OR THEIR PERMIT THAT THEY GET WITH US.
AND IF, BECAUSE THE FARMER'S MARKET TAKES UP THAT SATURDAY MORNING, UM, THAT ACT, THE OTHER ACTIVITY, THE FEEDING ACTIVITY COULD NOT TAKE PLACE DURING THE SAME TIME IF THEY WANT THE PAVILION SPACE.
AND SO WE LOOK AT WHAT ELSE HAS BEEN PROGRAMMED IN.
SO THE DE BASED OFF OF SCHEDULING, YOU KNOW, REQUEST, BE CAREFUL HOW WE HANDLE THIS.
'CAUSE I'VE SPOKEN TO MR. CONNELLEY EARLIER BECAUSE IF WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, WE RESTRICT, WE DO THINGS, WE CAN BE IN A LAWSUIT WITH THE, UM, SURE.
FEED, WHAT IS IT? FEED NOT BO, UM, FOOD NOT BOMBS.
AND YOU KNOW, I DON'T, HERE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MONEY AND HOW MUCH MONEY DO WE WANNA BE ON A, TO A LAWSUIT WITH THEM? SO WE REALLY CAN'T JUST, YOU KNOW, CLAMP DOWN AND DO THAT.
'CAUSE THEN WE'RE OPENING OURSELVES UP TO A LAWSUIT.
I'M, I, WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFULLY HOW WE TREAD THIS SINCE WE'VE BEEN ON A EVEN KEEL.
WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY PROBLEMS. SO THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO USE THE PARK.
YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOMEBODY DOESN'T LIKE THE WAY THEY, PEOPLE LOOK.
BUT WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL HOW WE TREAD FORWARD.
SO WHEN WE GIVE, UM, MR. CONLEY, MR. CON, ADAM
HOW WE MOVE FORWARD, IF WE WANNA DO, TO LOOK AT THINGS SO THAT WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THINGS AND THEN TURN AROUND AND WE WASTING HIS TIME AND EVERYBODY ELSE'S TIME, THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK.
THAT WE'RE GONNA OPEN OURSELVES UP TO A LAWSUIT.
THAT'S, WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO THAT STAFF REVIEW THAT HIM AND I WERE DISCUSSING WHERE IT'S JUST A BROAD, JUST TAKE A LOOK AT THE PARKS, TAKE A LOOK AT THE TIMES, AND HE HAS A HEAVY HAND IN IT TO MAKE SURE IT'S, WELL HOW DO YOU, LET'S SEE.
I, I DON'T HAVE, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT, RIGHT? I, I'M HAPPY TO COORDINATE WITH STAFF AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, MAYBE THE ROSTER OF PARKS, YOU KNOW, NEED, NEEDS TO BE UPDATED, RIGHT? AND THAT MAY BE AN EXPANSION, RIGHT? OR IT'S, OR IT'S SIMPLY A REPORT ON HERE'S, HERE'S SORT OF THE ACTIVITIES AND, AND WHAT WE SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT EACH PARK HAS TO OFFER FROM A LOGISTICS AND, AND, YOU KNOW, PAVILION AND OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE STANDPOINT.
UM, AND AGAIN, RIGHT? THAT, THAT REVIEW AND REPORT MAY STILL NOT LEAD TO ANY RECOMMENDED CHANGES BY, BY ME.
BUT WE CAN AT LEAST WE CAN AT LEAST EVALUATE IT.
THAT'S NOT, SO YOU'D BE OPEN TO THAT.
YEAH, I JUST DON'T WANNA DO BUSY WORK.
UM, THIS ACTION WAS TAKEN 11 YEARS AGO, I THINK IT WAS.
AND I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANYBODY ON THIS COUNCIL THAT, I MEAN TODAY THAT WAS THERE THEN.
AND TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THAT THE DAILY BREAD WAS STILL OPEN, AND SO MAYBE THE GROUP FEEDINGS WEREN'T AS LARGE AND AS INTRUSIVE AS TO, TO
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THE NEIGHBORS.UM, SO I, I, I'D LIKE TO, UM, EXPLORE THIS TO THE, THE, THE ENTIRE LIMITS THAT WE HAVE TO EXPLORE IT WITH AND COME BACK WITH, WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS IF WE CAN.
CERTAINLY DON'T WANNA GET SUED BY THE, UH, ACL U, BUT, UM, DO YOU KNOW WHERE I'M GOING WITH IT? YEAH.
UH, SO ALONG WITH YOU AS WELL.
I THINK THAT IT REQUIRES US TO TAKE A SECOND LOOK AT THIS.
WELL, IT LOOKS LIKE EVERYBODY'S KIND OF GIVEN SOME THOUGHT INTO IT.
DO WE WANNA GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN MOVE TO, UH, TO A MOTION? YEP.
I HAVE KATHY MEHAN FOLLOWED BY RENA FOLEY.
I ALSO MANAGE A MEEHAN'S OFFICE AND ART PRODUCTS CELEBRATING 104 YEARS THIS YEAR.
BUT I HAVE LIVED IN THE NORTH END OF THIS PARK, RIVERVIEW PARK FOR OVER 40 YEARS.
AND I CAN TELL YOU STORIES ON WHAT GOES ON IN THIS PARK, BUT IT WOULD TAKE ALL NIGHT.
BUT THIS PARK IS DESIGNED FOR FAMILIES AND FOR KIDS.
THIS IS NOT DESIGNED FOR FEEDING LARGE GROUPS.
AND I FEEL THAT OUR SAFETY IS AT STAKE HERE.
UM, I, ON FATHER'S DAY, I CALLED MR. FRED SUTTON TO TELL 'EM THERE WERE AT LEAST 20 PEOPLE IN FRONT OF HIS BUILDING THAT NEED TO BE TRESPASSED BECAUSE AFTER THE FEEDING, THEY GO OUT IN THE COMMUNITY, THEY GO IN OUR HOUSES, UM, THEY GO ON PROPERTY.
AND SO MR. SUTTON CALLED THE POLICE TO HAVE 'EM TRESPASSED.
BY THE TIME THE POLICE GOT THERE, THEY WERE GONE.
SO WHAT I'M SAYING TO YOU IS THIS IS A SAFETY ISSUE AND ESPECIALLY OUR NEIGHBORHOOD DOES NOT NEED THIS LARGE SCALE.
AND IT'S GONNA GET WORSE AND IT'S GONNA GET BIGGER BECAUSE WHEN THE WORD GETS OUT, UM, IT WILL, IT WILL BE BIGGER.
SO I'M ASKING YOU TO PLEASE TAKE MELBOURNE RIVERVIEW PARK OFF THE LIST.
IN FACT, IF YOU GO TO THE PARK, THEY TAKE OVER ALL THE PAVILIONS.
NOT JUST ONE, BUT ALL OF THEM.
SO IF YOU AS A MOTHER, UM, YOU'RE GONNA BE VERY CONCERNED 'CAUSE YOU CAN'T EVEN GET YOUR KIDS ON THE PLAYGROUND.
SO I'M ASKING YOU TO PLEASE TAKE RIVERVIEW PARK OFF THE LIST.
ALL RIGHT, NEXT IS MS. FOLEY, AND THEN FOLLOWED BY MS. MARGO PIERCE.
UH, RENA FOLEY, 27 0 4 MELWOOD DRIVE.
AGAIN, I LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ABUTTING THE PARK.
AND, UM, MY FAMILY'S BEEN IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD SINCE 1925.
UM, THE PARK HAS EXPERIENCED A LOT OF THINGS OVER MY LIFETIME AND, UM, WE WERE MAKING GREAT HEADWAYS WITH IT.
IT'S BECOMING LIKE A LITTLE GYM FOR THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, AND IT'S PART OF THE, THE WHOLE DOWNTOWN THING WHERE THE LITTLE RAILROAD BRIDGE HOPEFULLY WILL BE BUILT.
THERE WAS ONE THERE WHEN I WAS A KID.
UM, AND WE CROSS OVER THE BRIDGE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
NOW, HOPEFULLY THERE WILL BE PEOPLE COMING FROM DOWNTOWN TO ACTIVITIES THAT WE PLAN IN THE PARK.
AND RIGHT NOW THE CITY HAS SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT IN THERE AND JUST RECENTLY FINISHED ONE FOR THE LITTLEST TYKES.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE WAY THE PAVILIONS ARE SCHEDULED, I MEAN, ARE PLACED AROUND THE PARK, THEY'RE ALL UP NEAR THE PLAYGROUND.
AND WHERE THE NEWEST PLAYGROUND IS, THERE'S A PAVILION RIGHT THERE.
SO IF I WAS A MOM COMING IN WITH MY KIDS ON SUNDAY, AND ALL THE PAVILIONS WERE TAKEN, NO PLACE FOR ME TO PARK MY CAR, I WOULDN'T BE FEE COMFORTABLE COMING THERE ON A SUNDAY.
SO I'M WONDERING WHY DID THE CITY OF MELBOURNE SPEND ALL THE MONEY FOR THIS EQUIPMENT, WHICH WE ARE NOW GONNA LET BE TRASHED.
ANOTHER THING WHICH DOESN'T DIRECTLY RELATE TO THE FEEDING ISSUE, BUT THERE'S A SMALL PARKING LOT THERE FOR THE PLAYGROUND.
AND, AND IT'S BEING OCCUPIED DAILY BY PEOPLE THAT WORK IN THE BUILDINGS ALONG US.
ONE, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S A LITTLE SIGN THERE THAT SAYS PARKING FOR PLAYGROUND ONLY, THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ENFORCED.
BUT MY MAIN ISSUE IS THE MESS THAT THE PEOPLE LEAVE BEHIND.
THE FACT THAT FAMILIES WILL NOT COME TO THE PARK BECAUSE OF THIS OVERWHELMING GROUP OF PEOPLE AROUND.
I'M NOT OPPOSED TO FEEDING THE HOMELESS, BUT THE FACT THAT THEY ARE THE ONLY PAVILIONS WE HAVE ARE RIGHT DOWN THERE MAKES A BIG PROBLEM.
AND I'M JUST WONDERING IF WHEN THEY'RE PERMITTED, THE THIS HOMELESS FEEDING GROUP IS PERMITTED, UM, TO FEED IN THE PARK, ARE THEY LIKE GIVEN ONE PAVILION OR ARE THEY, UM, LIKE FREE RANGE? IS THERE ANY WAY THAT IT COULD BE LIMITED THAT THEY'RE FEEDING
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OCCURS FROM ONE PAVILION FURTHEST AWAY FROM THE PLAYGROUNDS? IS IT POSSIBLE TO HAVE THE CITY MONITOR AFTER THE TIME SPAN IS UP, THAT PEOPLE VACATE THE PARK BY SEVEN O'CLOCK BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY DOING THAT? WE HAVE A LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT TEND TO WANNA SPEND THE NIGHT THERE DOWN ON THE RIVERBANK.NOW THEY'RE KNOCKING ON OUR DOORS, WHICH IS A, A PROBLEM WE HAD 20 YEARS AGO.
AND IT SEEMS TO HAVE DISSIPATED, BUT NOW IT'S COMING BACK WITH FULL FORCE.
AND I, I REALLY THINK THERE HAS TO BE SOME SORT OF WAY TO SPREAD OUT THE USE OF THIS FEEDING AMONG THE OTHER PARKS, NOT JUST RIVERVIEW PARK, AND TO MAKE IT SO THAT IT'S NOT INTERFERING WITH THE PLANS THAT THE PARK ALREADY HAS.
NEXT IS MARGOT PIERCE, FOLLOWED BY JOANNE DINKO.
I LIVE AT, UH, 25 0 6 RIVERVIEW DRIVE, UH, OWNED PROPERTY ON RIVERVIEW DRIVE SINCE 1986.
UM, I HAVE A A A COMMENT ABOUT THE, UH, FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
EVEN THE SUPREME COURT SAID, YOU CAN'T YELL FIRE IN A MOVIE THEATER.
THERE ARE LIMITATIONS TO FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
AND I BELIEVE THAT OF A CHILDREN'S PLAYGROUND.
I I'M HOPING THAT ALL OF YOU HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO GO DOWN TO RIVERVIEW PARK.
IT'S ONLY RIGHT DOWN THE STREET.
AND YOU'VE HAD A LOOK AT THE PLAYGROUND AND THE PAVILIONS AND WHERE THEY'RE HOLDING THESE FEEDINGS.
THEY'RE RIGHT WITHIN, OH, I DON'T KNOW, 10 FEET OF A PLAYGROUND.
SO MY NEXT STATEMENT IS, I CONSIDER A PLAYGROUND THAT'S OPEN FROM SEVEN O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING TILL SEVEN O'CLOCK AT NIGHT TO BE AN ORGANIZED ACTIVITY.
IT'S CONFINED WITHIN A GEOGRAPHICAL BOUNDARY.
YOU KNOW THAT THE CLIENTELE ARE CHILDREN AGE TWO UP TO, I DON'T KNOW, WHATEVER AGE YOU STOP PLAYING IN A PLAYGROUND.
BUT THAT'S YOUR DEMOGRAPHICS FOR THAT PLAYGROUND.
AND IT'S ORGANIZED, IT'S OPEN SUBJECT TO THE CHILDREN COMING IN ANYTIME THEY WANT WITH PARENTS AND USING IT.
GRANTED, IT'S NOT A TENNIS MATCH, IT'S NOT A REGATTA, BUT IT'S AN, IT IS A DEFINED ACTIVITY FOR THE CHILDREN AND IT DOESN'T REQUIRE A PERMIT FOR THE CHILDREN TO GO THERE.
MY LAST STATEMENT IS, I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF THERE'S A POINT OF CONTACT FOR SOMEBODY THAT'S HANDLING THIS RIVERVIEW UH, PROJECT ALONG WITH CLEARING OUT THE BRUSH.
I'VE NOTICED SINCE I WALKED THAT PARK, UH, SEVEN O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, THAT THERE'S BEEN A GOOD INCREASED POLICE PRESENCE.
WHEN I WALK AT 7, 7 0 5, I DON'T SEE THE, THE, THE PEOPLE COMING OUT OF THE BRUSH.
I DON'T SEE 'EM SLEEPING ON THE BENCHES.
I'VE SEEN A GOOD IMPACT WITH THE, THE CITY PAYING ATTENTION TO THAT PARK.
SO MY FEELING IS YOU'RE DOING, YOU'RE DOING A GOOD JOB, YOU'RE MAKING PROGRESS, BUT PLEASE DON'T CONSIDER A CHILDREN'S PLAYGROUND TO BE NON, IT'S NOT, IT'S IMPORTANT TO US.
NOW I UNDERSTAND THE FREEDOM OF SPEECH, BUT I'M SAYING YOU DON'T YELL FIRE IN A THEATER.
YOU DON'T PUT 80 PEOPLE, WHICH IS WHAT THEY'RE BRAGGING THE FEEDING THEY'RE DOING ON SUNDAY.
YOU DON'T DO THAT ADJACENT TO A PLAYGROUND.
SO WHO'S IMPORTANT? THE CHILDREN OR THE FEEDING, WHICH CAN GO ANYWHERE? SURE.
ALRIGHT, NEXT UP IS JOANNE DKO, AND THAT'LL BE OUR FINAL, OH, WE HAVE ONE MORE COMING UP.
OH, WELL, OR IT DOESN'T HI HERE.
I LIVE AT 1306 JERNIGAN AVENUE.
UM, I WAS HERE, UH, EIGHT WEEKS AGO WHEN WE PRESENTED THE PETITION TO COUNSEL ABOUT THE PARK.
UM, I WANNA PIGGYBACK OFF OF MARGO FOR A MINUTE TO SAY, UH, THE PARK IS BETTER.
THERE AREN'T PEOPLE SLEEPING ON THE
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BENCHES EVERY NIGHT.UM, IT HAS CLEARED OUT A BIT, ESPECIALLY TUESDAY THROUGH SATURDAY.
THEN COME SUNDAY WHEN THE FEEDING BEGINS, IT STARTS AT NOON.
SO IT'S NOT JUST FROM THREE TO FIVE O'CLOCK WHEN THE FEEDING HAPPENS, IT'S FROM NOON TILL AFTER SEVEN.
I CALL THE POLICE EVERY SUNDAY AFTER SEVEN O'CLOCK WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE STILL HANGING IN THE PARK DOWN AT THE RIVER, KNOCKING ON DOORS, TALKING TO THE SKY, ASKING FOR MONEY.
SO SUNDAY AND MONDAY SUCK FOR THE RESIDENTS IN RIVERVIEW HEIGHTS,
UM, BUT WE ARE THANKFUL THAT THE REST OF THE WEEK, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S GREAT AND, AND I DON'T THINK, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S THE SAME PEOPLE ALL THE TIME BECAUSE NEW PEOPLE HEAR ABOUT IT.
NEW PEOPLE COME AND, OH, THIS IS A GREAT PLACE TO HANG OUT.
UM, I WANNA GO BACK TO SOMETHING THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY SAID.
UM, BASED OFF OF VERY OLD INFORMATION THAT YOU, YOU, YOU GUYS ACTUALLY DECIDED WHICH PARKS IN 2014 WOULD BE THE PARKS ON THE AGENDA, BUT YOU ALSO MENTIONED THAT YOU WENT OFF OF SOMETHING THAT THE CITY OF ORLANDO FOLLOWS.
IF YOU RESEARCH THAT THE CITY OF ORLANDO DOESN'T USE THE SAME PARK EVERY WEEK, THIS IS THE SAME PARK EVERY WEEK.
ALSO, I DID A FOLLOW UP EMAIL TO YOU, DAVID, UM, RIGHT AFTER THE MEETING LAST EIGHT WEEKS AGO AND ASKED IF YOU COULD CONFIRM A COUPLE OF THINGS FOR ME BECAUSE THIS ORGANIZATION WAS NOT FEEDING THESE PEOPLE AT THE PARK SINCE 2020.
THEY'VE BEEN DOING THIS SINCE FEBRUARY.
SO REGARDLESS OF WHETHER RIVERVIEW PARK WAS ON THE AGENDA SINCE 2014, I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE 2014 AND THEY HAVEN'T BEEN DOING IT THIS WHOLE TIME.
MY QUESTION TO YOU IN THE EMAIL WAS, CAN YOU CONFIRM WERE THEY DOING IT AT WELLS PARK BEATING THE HOMELESS EVERY WEEK IN WELLS PARK? AND WHY AREN'T THEY DOING IT AT WELLS PARK ANYMORE? WHY IS IT RIVERVIEW NOW? SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU EVER GOT AN ANSWER ON THAT AND I I'M NOT A MEMBER OF THAT ORGANIZATION WHO DOES THAT? UH, THEY PULL PERMITS ON IT.
BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER, YOU ALSO ASKED IF WE HAD WAIVED FEES.
AND I'M STILL WORKING WITH, I'VE TALKED TO STAFF ABOUT IT.
I'M STILL TRYING TO GET INFORMATION, SO I'M NOT, I'M NOT FINISHED WITH THAT YET.
AND IF I CAN HAVE ANOTHER MINUTE, UM, SHE HAD MENTIONED ON THE END, I'M SORRY, I DON'T KNOW HER NAME.
WELL, I MEAN WHAT, WELL, YOU, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE PICKING PEOPLE OUT.
UH, THAT'S PART OF OUR, I'M JUST SAYING SOME, I WAS JUST GONNA STATE SOMETHING THAT SHE HAD MENTIONED A QUESTION ABOUT IT.
THAT'S ALL
THEY REVIEW THIS PERMIT THAT THEY SUPPOSEDLY HAVE EVERY 90 DAYS.
SO CAN WE GET AN ANSWER ON WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME IT WAS REVIEWED AND WHY DOES IT KEEP GETTING APPROVED BEFORE
I THE, I DON'T IF IF YOU'RE FEEDING AT THE PARK, YOU'RE FEEDING AT THE PARK, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
WE CAN ONLY BRING TO YOU THE NEGATIVE ASPECTS OF WHAT HAPPENS AT THAT PARK.
CAN YOU RECONSIDER WHICH PARK YOU'RE DOING IT AT IN 2011, 2014, RIVERVIEW WAS A DIFFERENT PARK.
NOW IT'S RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE PLAYGROUND AND PLEASE RECONSIDER THAT AND TAKE IT OFF THE LIST OR SPREAD THIS OUT A LITTLE BIT.
SPREAD THE WEALTH, LET 'EM GO TO ANOTHER PARK.
WHY AREN'T THEY BACK AT WELLS? I'D LIKE AN ANSWER TO THAT AND I'M NOT GONNA GIVE UP UNTIL I GET ONE.
I'M JOSEPH MCNEIL AND I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF SOUTH BREVARD.
AND I COME TO EXPRESS A SOMEWHAT OF A SLIGHT DIFFERENT PICTURE TO THE PARK AND THAT BEING THAT AS YOU KNOW, YOU APPROVED FOR THE FOUNDER'S MONUMENT TO GO INTO THE PARK.
AND MY CONCERN IS WITH THE FOUNDER'S MONUMENT BEING PLACED IN THE PARK AND THOSE, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT BEING POLICED IN THE AREA, WHAT EFFECT ONCE THE
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MONUMENT IS BUILT, AND I'M OPTIMISTIC THAT IT WILL BE IN THE NEAR FUTURE, OKAY.THAT, WHAT EFFECTS WILL THAT THOSE PEOPLE HAVE ON THE MONUMENT? SO I JUST WANTED TO, WHILE YOU ARE DISCUSSING THIS MATTER AND BEING IN THE PARK, I JUST WANTED TO BRING THIS TO YOUR ATTENTION THAT WE ARE GONNA PUT A MAJOR INVESTMENT IN THAT PARK AND WE WERE THEN BY THE CONTRACT THAT WE HAVE WITH THE CITY AND THE FOUNDERS, UH, AMERICAN FOUNDERS, UM, BRUNS, WE, WE HAVE TO DONATE THAT MONUMENT TO THE CITY.
SO IT'S A MAJOR INVESTMENT THAT WE ARE DOING AT THIS POINT IN TIME AND I JUST THINK THAT AT THIS TIME THAT YOU ARE CONSIDERING A DIFFERENCE IN THE PARK THAT YOU CONSIDER THE INVESTMENT THAT WE HAVE AND BE, BE PUTTING IN THE PARK.
ANY OTHER COMMENT CARDS? SEEING NONE.
SO, UM, DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY PARKS, UH, THAT ARE ON THAT LIST HAVE PLAYGROUNDS? ALRIGHT, SO THAT'S A QUESTION THAT WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE GET ANSWERED.
UM, SO HAVE WE RECEIVED ADDITIONAL COMPLAINTS FROM THE APPROVED PARKS OTHER THAN, UM, OTHER THAN RIVERVIEW? OKAY.
WE'LL HAVE TO FIND OUT ABOUT THAT AS WELL.
UM, THE 90 DAY PROCESSES, UM, IS IT JUST, I'D JUST LIKE TO KNOW IF IT'S JUST AN AUTOMATIC AND IT JUST KIND OF REGURGITATES EVERY, EVERY 90 DAYS OR, OR THAT'S NOT, MY UNDERSTANDING IS OKAY.
THEY, THEY'RE GIVEN A 90 DAY WINDOW TO SUBMIT PERMIT APPLICATIONS, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE'S STILL, THERE'S STILL A INDIVIDUALIZED REVIEW FOR EACH ONE OF THOSE PERMIT APPLICATIONS.
BUT IT'S A 90 DAY WINDOW UPON WHICH THERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE THE NEXT, WHAT, WHAT DOES THE CALENDAR LOOK LIKE FOR THE NEXT 90 DAYS? AND DO YOU WANT SUBMIT PERMIT APPLICATIONS WITHIN THAT 90 DAY PERIOD? SO THEN THERE WOULD BE NOTES, UH, UH, INVOLVED WITH THE, UH, PERMITTING PROCESS, UM, UH, TO LOOK AT AND TO DISCUSS AND CONDITIONS ON THOSE PERMITS, CONDITIONS ON THE, IF YOU COULD SUPPLY THE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THOSE COMMENTS AND YOU KNOW, ABOUT THE PERMITTING, UH, TO ME, MAYBE COUNCIL AS WELL TOO, AS TO GET A BETTER IDEA OF HOW THAT PROCESSING IS, IS WORKING AND HOW IT'S BEING APPROVED.
UM, I, MY LAST QUESTION IS, UH, BASED ON, UM, EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE, YOU'VE SCHOOLED US ON THIS EVENING FOR THIS ISSUE, UH, ARE WE ABLE TO ADD OR REMOVE ANY PARKS THAT ARE ON THAT LIST? I, I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO CHANGE THE LIST.
THE, THE OVERALL SCOPE, THOUGH WILL BE TO MAINTAIN THE LEVEL OF OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE IN THAT EXPRESSIVE CONDUCT WITHIN CITY PARKS, RIGHT? AND SO THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT DIFFERENCES BETWEEN CITY OF ORLANDO'S AND, AND OURS, RIGHT? MM-HMM
CITY OF ORLANDO DOES HAVE, UH, WITHIN ITS PERMITTING SCHEME, A LIMITATION ON HOW MANY PERMITS CAN BE ISSUED TO A PARTICULAR ENTITY WITHIN WHAT CITY OF ORLANDO KIND OF IDENTIFIED AS THEIR DOWNTOWN CORE.
IT WAS LIKE TWO, TWO PER ENTITY PER PARK WITH 42 DOWNTOWN PARKS, CITY OF ORLANDO HAD, RIGHT? THAT WAS 84 OPPORTUNITIES A YEAR WITHIN THAT DOWNTOWN CORE PER ENTITY.
AND THEN OUTSIDE OF THAT CORE AREA WHERE WHATEVER OTHER PARKS THE CITY HAD OUTSIDE OF THAT DOWNTOWN CORE, THAT LIMIT, THAT TIME LIMITATION DIDN'T EXIST, RIGHT.
WITH SEVEN PARKS IDENTIFIED RIGHT NOW, AND SOME OF THOSE ONLY BEING WEEKDAYS, SOME OF THOSE ONLY BEING WEEKENDS, I, IT WOULD, IT WOULD LOOK SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT ON WHAT THAT LEVEL OF OPPORTUNITY WOULD BE IF ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE WAS A LIMITATION ON THE NUMBER OF PERMITS THAT COULD BE ISSUED TO A PARTICULAR ENTITY WITHIN A TIMEFRAME.
IS THAT AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WE CAN PURSUE? I, SO, SO MY, MY, SO I'VE, AGAIN, MY REQUESTED ACTION IS CAN WE REMOVE A PARK FROM THE LIST? CAN WE LIMIT THE PERMITTING TIME IF WE CANNOT? AND HOW DO WE REMOVE PARKS AND OR HOW DO WE ROTATE THEM? YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, I WASN'T HERE IN 2014.
NONE OF US WERE, EXCEPT FOR JENNY, YOU KNOW, AND SHE WASN'T CITY MANAGER THEN.
SO, UM, UH, I THINK IT'S FAIR TO TRY AND FIND A PATHWAY TO, UM, UH, TO RESOLVE THIS ISSUE.
AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF THERE ARE OTHER COMPLAINTS IN OTHER PARKS.
UM, THESE FOLKS ARE, ARE FAR MORE VOCAL AND FAR MORE ENGAGED
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IN THEIR COMMUNITY THAN PROBABLY MOST PEOPLE AT THE OTHER PARKS.UH, THEY'VE GOT LONGEVITY, UH, JUST A, JUST A LOT INVESTED DOWN THERE.
UM, SO, UH, THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS.
UH, SO AS I, AS I WAS LISTENING, AND I'M THINKING ABOUT, THESE ARE PARKED OWNED BY THE CITY.
ARE, ARE THE COUNTY PARTS COMPLETELY NOT USABLE FOR US AT ALL? OR WE CAN'T DICTATE TO THE COUNTY WHAT THEY CAN DO AT THEIR PARK? YEAH.
THAT, THAT PERMITTING PROCESS WOULD GO THROUGH THE COUNTY.
SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS EVEN A COORDINATION OR ASK TYPE THING.
AND QUESTIONNAIRE, SIR, DIDN'T WE, KATHY WOULD KNOW, DIDN'T WE PURCHASE THIS PARK FROM THE, FROM THE COUNTY? YES.
LONG AGO AND FAR, FAR AWAY? I DON'T KNOW.
THE OWNERSHIP WAS TRANSFERRED FROM THE COUNTY TO US FOR THIS PARK.
ABOUT WHAT YEAR WAS THAT? DO WE REMEMBER? DO YOU REMEMBER KATHY? I, I, I, I, I'M SORRY.
HOW ABOUT, HOW ABOUT IF WE GET THAT PIECE OF INFORMATION AS WELL? OKAY.
AND THEN I GUESS MY FINAL THOUGHT ON IT, AND I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY THAT CAMP AND SPOKE ABOUT IT, I REALLY DO.
UM, SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, I'M, SO, MY NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS OVER, WOULD BE AT WELLS PARK WHERE YOU'RE ASKING IF THEY WERE AT, UM, THAT WE, WE WEAR WHITE, UH, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT HOMELESSNESS BECAUSE IT'S A SIGN OF HOPE SO THAT WE'RE ABLE TO HELP FIND A SOLUTION OVERALL.
AND WE'RE ABLE TO FIND WAYS THAT WORKS WITH THE COMMUNITY AS WELL AS WHAT WILL WORK WITH THOSE IN NEED.
THERE HAS TO BE A BALANCE ON ALL OF THAT FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE AND A HUMANITARIAN AND A CITY PERSPECTIVE.
SO I KNOW THAT IF THEY HEARD, BRING IT OVER TO WELLS PARK, THEY'D SAY, HOW COME WE'RE NOT SOLVING THE PROBLEM? WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO SHIFT IT TO NEIGHBORHOODS? SO, SOMETHING THAT I THINK THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER, AND I THINK A REVIEW IS PROBABLY THE BEST ROUTE, IS ALLOWING US TO TAKE A LOOK AT OVER, YOU KNOW, GLOBALLY, WHAT ARE WE DOING? AND THAT WAY WE CAN HELP SOLVE PROBLEMS, UM, ONE, TO FIND SOLUTIONS.
'CAUSE IF YOU'RE HAVING AN UPTICK IN ONE PARK, MAYBE THERE'S AN ISSUE THERE.
OR IF THERE'S OTHER THINGS GOING ON, WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN SOLVE THOSE ISSUES AS WELL.
SO I'M AT LEAST I DIDN'T SEE ANY OTHER COMMENTS HERE.
UM, ADAM, DID YOU NEED A MOTION OR DO YOU WANT CONSENSUS ON A REVIEW? DO YOU HAVE WHAT YOU NEED? JUST CON JUST CONSENSUS THAT, THAT WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA REVIEW, WE'RE REVIEW THE LIST OF PARKS AND THEN BRING BACK THESE ANSWERS TO SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT WOULD BE THE PRO, WHAT WOULD BE THE PROCESS AND RECOMMENDATION FOR REMOVING A PARK, OR SHIFTING DATES AND TIMES THAT, THAT'S HOW I'M UNDERSTANDING THE, THE DIRECTION.
AND I TOOK NOTES ON WHAT SOME OF THOSE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS WERE TOO.
SO WE'LL MAKE SURE ALL THAT GETS INCLUDED IN THE REPORT.
AND I DID RECEIVE CONFIRMATION IT WAS 2012 THAT WE RECEIVED RIVERVIEW.
IS THERE A WAY WE CAN LOOK INTO, UM, SINCE THE CITY IS BEHIND THIS STUFF, UM, THE MAKING SURE EVERYBODY'S OUT OF THE PARKS BY A CERTAIN TIME, LIKE REALLY CLAMPING DOWN ON IT? LIKE WHEN THE PARK CLOSED AT DUSK TYPE OF THING, OR WHAT? YEAH, LIKE ESPECIALLY AFTER THESE FEEDINGS, SO PEOPLE ARE LINGERING.
WELL, I DON'T THINK IT COULD LOOK LIKE YOU'RE ALLOWED TO STAY AT THE PARK ALL YOU WANT.
I, I THINK THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
I THINK PARK JUST PARK JUST PARK HOURS.
WELL, I'M SAYING, YOU'RE SAYING AFTER AN EVENT, AFTER I'M SAYING AFTER DARK.
I DON'T, YOU CAN'T, AFTER DARK YOU CAN, BUT AT AN EVENT YOU CAN'T.
I, I WILL TELL YOU, WE HAVE, UM, SOME OF THE CALLS, IF YOU LOOK AT THE POLICE REPORT THAT'S IN THERE, MANY OF THEM ARE SELF-INITIATED CALLS.
WE WILL DO IN NOT JUST RIVERVIEW PARK, WHEN WE DO THIS AT MANY, MANY PARKS WHERE WE WILL DRIVE BY THERE, THE AREA, WE WILL PATROL THE AREA TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE OUT OF THE PARKS AT, AT DUSK OR WHATEVER TIME THE PARK ACTUALLY ACTUALLY CLOSES.
'CAUSE THERE'S VARYING TIMES WE CAN'T BE AT ALL OF THEM AT ONCE.
BUT WE DO TRY TO, UM, TO DO A PATROL MAY NOT BE EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK, MAY NOT BE ABLE TO BE EVERY, EVERY WEEKEND DAY.
BUT WE DO TRY TO MAKE OUR WAY AROUND THE CITY AND ENFORCE THE, THE PARK CLOSING TIMES.
SO, AND, AND LASTLY ON MY THOUGHTS, IF ANY, YOU KNOW, I'VE FOUND TWO ACRES OF LAND THAT I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN USE TOWARDS SOLVING THIS ISSUE AS A COUNCIL.
UM, I'M TRYING TO FIND A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION THAT'LL HELP, UH, PROVIDE HOMELESS SERVICES MORE SO LIKE A HUB OR THINGS OF THAT NATURE TO HELP, YOU KNOW, OWN THE LAND AS WELL AS KNOW, UH, SERVICES AS WELL.
SO IF ANYBODY HAS IDEAS IN THE COMMUNITY OR IF ANYBODY HAS FOLKS HERE ON COUNCIL, UM, LET'S, LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT.
BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS IS AN ISSUE.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT GONNA GO AWAY UNLESS WE CONTINUE TO DO MORE TO HELP SOLVE THIS PROBLEM.
AND THAT'S USUALLY GONNA BE EMBRACING THE NON-PROFIT COMMUNITY IN THAT MATTER.
SO I WAS GONNA ASK ABOUT THAT VICE MAYOR, SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT OUT.
BUT AS WE ASSET MAPPING, AND I THINK YOU HEARD A FEW, UH, COMMENTS FROM SOME OF THE ORGANIZATIONS EARLIER.
SO I MEAN, I THINK THAT THAT'S A GREAT POINT TO BRING OUT AND, AND WHAT IS POSSIBLE, SO, RIGHT.
SO YEAH, IT WOULDN'T BE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'D BE OVER ACTUALLY BY THE SHERIFF'S.
UM, UM, THEY HAVE A, AN ANIMAL, UM,
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FACILITY OVER THERE.BUT I, I JUST THINK IT'S, IT, I THINK WE NEED TO REALLY START LOOKING IN THOSE DIRECTIONS.
IT'S JUST RIGHT DOWN THE STREET.
CAN YOU TYPE UP A, A SORT OF A PAPER OR, WELL, I MEAN, I'LL LET YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOING.
I COULD, I COULD BRING SOMETHING TO THE NEXT MEETING THAT HAS WHAT'S GOING ON THERE.
BUT RIGHT NOW, THE HOMELESS COALITION SAID THEY CAN'T FIND A SOMEONE TO TAKE IT AND THEY DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING TO, TO, TO PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER.
I JUST GOT THAT EMAIL ABOUT TWO DAYS AGO.
SO THAT SAID, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A COMMUNITY EFFORT FOR US TO DO THAT.
'CAUSE I DO, I PERSONALLY BELIEVE IF WE'RE ABLE TO FIND A SPACE LIKE THIS AND A NONPROFIT, TAKE IT OVER MM-HMM
THAT'LL HELP RELIEVE OUR COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE AND PROVIDE MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR FOLKS, EVEN LIKE FOOD NOT BOMBS, WHO MIGHT FIND A, AN OPPORTUNITY THERE AS WELL.
UM, ANY WHO, UM, ADAM, DO YOU HAVE CONSENSUS THAT YOU NEED FOR US TO MOVE ON? I, I BELIEVE SO.
ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM? SEEING NONE.
ITEM NUMBER 22, THE DISCUSSION OF A TEMPORARY USE EXTENSION.
I KNOW MR. SMITH, YOU HAD BROUGHT THIS UP TO STAFF.
DO YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION BEFORE THAT OR IS IT, YOU WANT ME TO GO STRAIGHT TO MR. SMITH? OKAY.
I SEE YOU WANT, IT'S YOUR, IT'S YOUR ITEM.
I THOUGHT YOU WAS TRYING TO LIKE, CHIME IN AND SAY NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
I WAS JUST GIVING THEM THE OPPORTUNITY.
'CAUSE I, I DIDN'T REALIZE THE ADAM ONE AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, AND THEN WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE DONE WITH YOUR, I JUST, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT, THE NEW DE DEVELOPMENT TODAY WOULD BE THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE.
WHAT? WELL, WELL PLEASE SORT OF LEAD IN WITH THAT.
UM, AND THEN, UH, I WILL, WELL, NO, NO.
SO, UH, SO COUNSEL, UH, FELLOW COUNCIL, UH, MEN AND WOMEN WITHIN YOUR PACKAGE, YOU HAVE, UH, A SOMETHING I PUT TOGETHER, WHICH WAS A PROPOSAL AT THAT TIME.
THIS WAS IN THE MONTH OF JUNE FOR A TEMPORARY USE, EXTENSION AND INCLUSION OF DATA IN A FEASIBILITY STUDY.
WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE, THE FEASIBILITY STUDY.
UM, I'M STILL NOT, BUT THERE'S STILL THINGS THAT ARE A LITTLE AMBIGUOUS.
AND SO WHAT I HAVE IN HERE IS, UH, A, A PROPOSAL AND I HAVE SEVERAL THINGS THAT'S OUTLINED.
UH, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE, I DON'T WANNA GO THROUGH POINT FOR POINT, BUT I THINK THERE'S SOME KEY POINTS.
AND I KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CHANGES.
UH, THERE'S BEEN, UH, FACEBOOK COMMENTS.
UH, THE MAYOR'S NOT HERE TO TALK ABOUT, UH, HIS HIS PERSPECTIVE ON THINGS.
AND WE'VE ALSO HEARD ABOUT SOME OF THE, UH, UH, UH, OUTSTANDING, UH, AMOUNTS OF THINGS THAT ARE OLD.
UH, BUT WITH THAT IN MIND, I STILL THINK THAT THE AGREEMENT THAT WE'LL, THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO HAVE IS, IS IMPORTANT FOR, UH, TO US.
UH, AND HOPEFULLY, UH, THE POINTS THAT ARE MADE WITHIN THE PROPOSAL THAT I HAVE HERE WILL HELP US TO RESOLVE.
BUT, BUT I, BUT ONE THING THAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE GOOD BUSINESS IS STILL GOOD BUSINESS.
AND, AND, AND EVEN, AND EVEN WITH SOME OF THE POINTS THAT ARE MADE HERE, THERE'S STILL SOME THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE TAKEN CARE OF, UH, AND, AND RESOLVED BEFORE ANYTHING COULD, COULD REALLY MOVE FORWARD, OR AT LEAST THERE HAS TO BE A PATHWAY TO HOW THOSE THINGS ARE GONNA BE RESOLVED.
AND, AND THAT, AND THAT'S JUST THE BOTTOM LINE.
SO, SO EVEN THAT, DURING OUR DISCUSSION AND WHATEVER WE, WE COME UP WITH, AND I, AND I'LL STAND BY, UH, IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS OF ME LOOKING AT THE PROPOSAL, SOME OF THE POINTS THAT I HAVE WITHIN THIS PROPOSAL.
UH, BUT I, I DO BELIEVE THAT IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD AND IT WAS, UH, JUST A ONE YEAR, UH, TEMPORARY STAY SO THAT EVENTS COULD HAPPEN, AND I'LL SAY THIS, THAT WITH REVENUE COMING IN, MONEY COMING IN, THAT THAT COULD ALSO BE A PART OF THE RESOLUTION, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL PARTIES AND STAKEHOLDERS ARE, ARE, UM, MADE WHOLE.
AND, UM, AND WITH THAT, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL STAND THERE, SIR.
UH, WOULD YOU MIND, UH, READING OFF THE, YOUR RESPECTFUL REQUEST OF THE COUNCIL TO TAKE THE FOLLOWING STEPS? YES.
UNDER THE PROPOSAL SUMM, IS THAT WHAT YOU MM-HMM
I'M FORMALLY REQUESTING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL PROVIDE DIRECTION TO CITY STAFF TO EXPLORE, INITIATE COLD AMENDMENTS OF OTHER REGULATORY MODIFICATIONS NECESSARY TO AUTHORIZE A ONE YEAR EXTENSION OF TEMPORARY USE OF THE SARNO ROAD PROPERTY UNDER THE CITY OF MELBOURNE SPECIAL EVENT PERMITTING PROCESS.
THIS EXTENSION WOULD ENABLE THE CITY TO GATHER REAL WORLD DATA FOR INCLUSION IN A COMPREHENSIVE FEASIBILITY STUDY, ALLOW BOVARD RENAISSANCE FESTIVAL, INC, WITH CONTINUED COORDINATION AND APPROVAL FROM BOULEVARD COUNTY TO HOST ADDITIONAL PERMITTED EVENTS BEYOND WHAT HAS BEEN ALLOWED, ALLOW, UH, IMMEDIATE REZONING, UNCONDITIONAL USE APPROVALS, UH, BY SEEKING A MIDDLE GROUND REGULATORY SOLUTION THAT IS TEMPORARY, LIMITED IN SCOPE AND ALIGNED WITH PUBLIC INTEREST.
AND THEN I HAVE KEY CONSIDERATIONS AFTER THAT.
SO I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE, THE, THE, UH, EDITED VERSION DOWN AT THE BOTTOM.
1, 2, 3, 4, UM, DIRECT CITY STAFF TO IDENTIFY AND DRAFT NECESSARY CODED AMENDMENTS OR RESOLUTIONS.
THAT WILL ALLOW POWER, THAT LIST 'CAUSE THAT'S SIMPLER AND, AND EASIER TO, OKAY.
I THINK FROM MYSELF, YOU KNOW, SIR, TO RESPOND TO, YES, SIR.
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I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THE CITY COUNCIL TAKE THE FOLLOWING STEPS, DIRECT CITY STAFF TO IDENTIFY AND DRAFT NECESSARY CODE AMENDMENTS OR RESOLUTIONS THAT WOULD ALLOW THE PROPERTY TO BE USED FOR PERMANENT SPECIAL EVENTS DURING A ONE YEAR PALLET PERIOD WITHOUT REQUIRING REZONING OR CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL.NUMBER TWO, COORDINATE WITH BREVARD COUNTY AND BREVARD RENAISSANCE FESTIVAL TO ENSURE MUTUAL UNDERSTANDING OF USAGE TERMS AND INTERGOVERNMENTAL RESPONSIBILITIES.
NUMBER THREE, DEVELOP, IMPLEMENT DATA COLLECTION FRAMEWORK THROUGHOUT, THROUGHOUT THE YEAR TO ASSESS FEASIBILITY FACTORS INCLUDING COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, TRAFFIC IMPACT, ENVIRONMENTAL CONSIDERATIONS, AND INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS.
AND FINALLY, NUMBER FOUR, REPORT BACK TO COUNCIL AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE PILOT PERIOD WITH FINDINGS, DATA ANALYSIS, AND RECOMMENDATIONS FOR NEXT STEPS, INCLUDING ANY PERMITTING, ZONING, OR LAND ACQUISITION CONSIDERATIONS.
AND IN CONCLUSION, THIS PROPOSAL OFFERS A BALANCE AND PROACTIVE WAY FOR THE CITY OF MELBOURNE TO SUPPORT IN INNOVATION AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT WHILE MAINTAINING REGULATORY INTEGRITY BY EMBRACING A STRUCTURED TEMPORARY SOLUTION THAT ENABLES ROBUST DATA COLLECTION AND COLLABORATION WITH OUR COUNTY.
WE POSITION OURSELVES TO MAKE MORE INFORMED STRATEGIC DECISIONS ABOUT THE LONG TERM POTENTIAL OF THIS PROPERTY.
THANK YOU, MS. THANK YOU, SIR.
UM, MAY I ASK, UH, THAT WE CAN CALL UP CINDY DIMMER? UM, FOR A MOMENT.
CINDY, I NEED YOUR EXPERTISE, YOUNG LADY.
THE FIRST, AND, AND A LOT OF THOUGHT WENT INTO THIS.
I, UH, I RECOGNIZE THAT AND A LOT OF EFFORT AND A LOT OF, UH, UH, REAL, UH, I THINK A LOT OF, UH, RESEARCH THAT YOU'VE DONE AS WELL TOO.
AND THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS.
ALTHOUGH THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT HAVE CHANGED.
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT I TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH YOU ON.
SO CINDY, NUMBER ONE IS, UH, DIRECT CITY STAFF TO IDENTIFY AND DRAFT CODE AMENDMENTS OR RESOLUTIONS THAT WILL ALLOW THE PROPERTY TO BE USED FOR PER PERMITTED SPECIAL EVENTS DURING ONE YEAR PILOT PROGRAM WITHOUT REQUIRING REZONING OR CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL.
I JUST WAS TELLING THE, I DON'T HAVE WHAT YOU GUYS ARE READING UP THERE.
I CAN GIVE YOU THE CLIFF NOTES.
I THINK THEY'RE BASICALLY LOOKING FOR WHAT CODE AMENDMENTS ARE, WHAT, WHAT REGULATIONS WE WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE TO ALLOW A FAIRGROUNDS TYPE FACILITY THAT THAT'S CLOSE.
BUT MY OTHER QUESTION IS, UM, HAVE WE EVER DONE ANYTHING LIKE THIS? HAVE WE EVER DONE, UH, CODE AMENDMENTS OR RESOLUTIONS TO UH, JUST GIVE A FREE FOR ALL OF SORTS? 'CAUSE THAT'S HOW I VIEW THIS, IS THAT NO, NO STAFF OVERSIGHT, NO NOTHING.
JUST GO AHEAD AND GO DO WHAT YOU WANT WITHOUT REZONING OR CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS.
SO, HAVE WE EVER DONE THAT? DO WE HAVE THAT ON THE BOOKS? WE'RE STILL SPECIAL PERMIT MEETING.
I JUST WAS READING THE, THE END OF THAT.
SO WITHOUT REQUIRING ANY REZONING OR CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL TO JUST, SO YOU, WE WOULD HAVE TO AMEND CODE TO CREATE WHATEVER WE WANNA CALL THIS USE FAIR GROUND EVENT CENTER, WHATEVER THAT USE MAY BE.
A B YOU, YOU WOULD HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT ZONING DISTRICTS YOU WANTED TO ALLOW IT AS A PERMITTED USE SO THAT IT OUTRIGHT WOULD BE ALLOWED WITHOUT REQUIRING A CONDITIONAL USE.
SO IN THE CASE OF THE 53 ACRES, YOU'D ALLOW IT IN AN IN ONE ZONING.
I KNOW I GOT, I PUT YOU ON THE SPOT.
I'M JUST LOOKING FOR, YOU KNOW, IT'S YOUR, YOUR YOUR KNEE JERK OPINION ON THIS.
AND IT'S ENTIRELY POSSIBLE JUST BASED ON PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD, BOTH AT COUNCIL MEETINGS AND DISCUSSIONS THAT I'VE HAD WITH, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH, WHERE EVEN THINGS LIKE FORMAL SITE PLAN PROCESS AND OTHER THINGS, RIGHT.
IT, IT'S, HE'S, AS I'M UNDERSTANDING, IT'S TRULY LIKE CREATING A TEMPORARY USE OR, OR SOME TYPE OF INTERPRETATION OF CODE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEREAS, WHEREAS OUR SPECIAL ACTIVITY PERMIT ANTICIPATES NO MORE THAN ABOUT 30 DAYS OF SPECIAL ACTIVITY OF EVENTS OCCURRING ON PRIVATE PROPERTY WITHIN A YEAR WITHOUT IT THEN FALLING OUTSIDE OF THAT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF TEMPORARY USE STANDPOINT.
COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH IS SUGGESTING THAT, THAT THAT USE THAT IS ESSENTIALLY ALLOWED BY SPECIAL ACTIVITY CODE RATHER THAN AS A REGULAR USE UNDER THE ZONING CODE.
BE EXTENDED FOR BASICALLY TO, TO SAY YOU CAN DO A TEMPORARY USE WITHOUT ALL OF THESE FORMAL APPROVAL PROCESSES FOR UP, FOR UP TO A YEAR.
THAT'S, THAT'S HOW, THAT'S HOW, THAT'S HOW I, THAT'S HOW I WOULD, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.
SO IS, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN, UH, IDENTIFY TO JUST ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY OR WOULD THIS HAVE TO GO ACROSS THE ENTIRE BOARD? I MEAN, CAN WE BE SO SELECTIVE THAT WE CAN IDENTIFY ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY AND SAY NO REZONING, NO CONDITIONAL USE THE SPECIAL EVENTS AND SPECIAL, SPECIAL ZONING, SPECIAL ZONING CATEGORIES ON INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES IS GENERALLY FROWNED UPON.
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THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.NOW, THE, UH, SPECIAL ACTIVITY PERMITS THAT, UH, EXIST IN OUR CITY, UM, WE'VE EXPERIENCED THEM IN DOWNTOWN, UH, BOTH DOWNTOWNS, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, OUTDOOR EVENTS AND THAT SORT OF THING.
AND THOSE ARE ONLY GOOD FOR 30 DAYS, OR COLLECTIVELY 30 DAYS FOR, FOR, FOR AN ENTITY TO USE IT MAYBE EVERY OTHER WEEKEND OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR PRIVATE PROPERTY.
THERE'S, THERE'S EXEMPTIONS FOR CITY, CITY, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC PLACES.
UM, WELL, I'M TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE RESTAURANTS OR THE BARS, THEY HAVE BIG, THEY, YOU KNOW, UH, MEGA MALLEY IS, IS PERFECT EXAMPLE FOR THE DOWNTOWN TAKEOVER FOR ST.
I MEAN, THAT, THAT SPECIAL ACTIVITY PERMIT, YOU KNOW, ENCOMPASSES PUBLIC AND PRIVATE PROPERTY.
SO, WHICH GETS INTO A LITTLE BIT YEAH.
AND I, ALRIGHT, LET MR. MCEWEN DELVE INTO YES, PLEASE.
BECAUSE OUR SPECIAL ACTIVITY PERMITS REALLY ARE ASIDE FROM ZONING MM-HMM
SO WE LET THINGS HAPPEN THROUGH OUR SPECIAL ACTIVITY PROCESS FOR A VERY SMALL AMOUNT OF TIME THAT DON'T NECESSARILY COMPLY WITH THE ZONING CODE OR THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
AND I, I FORGOT TO MENTION THAT GOES THROUGH KEVIN.
YOU KNOW, I JUST, YOU KNOW, UH, I'M JUST, AGAIN, JUST LOOKING OVER MY SHOULDER, WHICH IS, UM, I I WOULD WANT A, I'M SORRY.
UH, I WOULD, I WOULD WANT A, A FULL ANALYSIS OF WHAT THAT MEANS TO US AS A CITY AND LIABILITY AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT GOES ALONG WITH RELINQUISHING OUR CONTROL OVER WHAT WE NEED TO CONTROL.
I DON'T WANT TO RELINQUISH, UH, STAFF'S OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE YOU'RE THE PROFESSIONALS NOW.
SOMEONE COMING IN AND, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I HAVE A SPECIAL ACTIVITY PERMIT THAT CAN JUST DO THIS, THIS, THIS FOR A YEAR'S TIME.
UM, THE COORDINATE WITH BREVARD COUNTY, THE SECOND ONE, AND BREVARD RENAISSANCE FESTIVAL TO ENSURE MUTUAL UNDERSTANDING OF USAGE TERMS AND INTERGOVERNMENTAL RESPONSIBILITIES.
SO INTERGOVERNMENT OF INTERGOVERNMENTAL RESPONSIBILITIES, UH, THERE WAS AN EMAIL THAT WE ALL RECEIVED, UH, THAT, UH, FROM THE APPLICANT.
AND, UH, UH, IN THE BEGINNING OF IT, HE SAYS, TONIGHT WE'RE GONNA VOTE ON THE TEMPORARY USE EXEMPTION.
THIS IS NOT A VOTE ON TEMPORARY USE EXEMPTION.
THIS, THIS WOULD BE A CONSENSUS TO MOVE STAFF FORWARD TO SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE IN OUR WORLD.
SO I'M SORRY TO, YOU KNOW, UH, LET YOU LET YOU KNOW THAT, PETER, BUT, BUT THAT IS THE FACT.
I MEAN, WE CAN'T JUST, YOU KNOW, LIKE, YOU KNOW, BLESSING OVER THE HOLLY KIND OF THING.
WE GOTTA GO THROUGH THE STEPS.
UM, AND I'M, AND RIGHT NOW I'M GOING TO PROBABLY NOT BE YOUR BEST FRIEND RIGHT NOW,
SO IN YOUR EMAIL, YOU POINT OUT TO PAY ALL OUT FINANCIAL COMMITMENTS, YOU'LL PAY ALL OUTSTANDING CITY MELBOURNE FEES WITHIN 14 DAYS OF APPROVAL.
I, IF, IF I GIVE YOU THIS, THEN YOU'RE GONNA PAY ME THE MONEY THAT YOU OWE ME.
PAY ME THE MONEY THAT YOU OWE ME.
IT IS KIND OF LIKE, IF I HAVE A CLIENT AND I HAVE 80 OF THEM, IF THEY DON'T PAY, THEY DON'T GET DELIVERED, YOU KNOW, ONCE THEY PAY, THEN I'M HAPPY TO PUT YOU BACK IN ROTATION AGAIN.
BUT THAT'S HOW I FEEL ABOUT THAT.
UM, AND I'M, AND I'M NOT GONNA MENTION THE MONIES THAT YOU OWE, UH, TO ANYBODY.
UH, DEVELOP AND IMPLEMENT A DATA COLLECTION FRAMEWORK THROUGHOUT THE YEAR TO ASSESS FEASIBILITY FACTORS.
DIDN'T WE TALK ABOUT THAT EARLIER? I MEAN, WASN'T THAT THE FEASIBILITY THING THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT? YOU KNOW, THE ONE OR THE AUDITORIUM OVER THE, OVER THE, UH, OVER THIS? I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THOUGH, IF I MAY COMMENT ON THAT.
BECAUSE THIS IS MORE OF USING ACTIVITY AND, AND, AND YOU'RE MAKING SOME GOOD POINTS.
SO JUST TO SUM, SUMMARIZE, THIS WOULD BE SORT OF A REQUEST OF A SPECIAL ACTIVITY VERSUS IT BEING 30 DAYS, EXTENDING IT FOR MM-HMM
AND THEN SUMMARIZE, REPORT BACK TO COUNSELING AND CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, I THINK WE'LL HAVE THOSE CONCLUSIONS.
UH, I WOULDN'T WANT TO TASK STAFF TO DO ANALYSIS THAT, AND ABOUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE FEES.
WE KNOW ABOUT FEASIBILITY FACTORS.
WE KNOW IN, UH, UM, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, TRAFFIC IMPACT.
WE ALREADY KNOW WE'RE ALREADY TALKING ABOUT.
GOTTA FIGURE OUT SOMETHING ELSE.
UM, ENVIRONMENTAL CONSIDERATIONS.
WE TALKED ABOUT THAT JUST, JUST EARLIER.
I, I GOTTA TELL YOU A STORY ABOUT THE AIRPORT AFTERWARDS.
THIS IS ALL DONE ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS.
SO I, I, I STAND BACK FROM THIS, MR. SMITH.
I STAND BACK FROM IT AND I LOOK AT THE WHOLE THING AS AN ENTITY.
I'M HERE TO PROTECT CITIZENS, THE STAFF AND THOSE WHO COME TO US WITH OPPORTUNITIES AS WELL.
I DON'T SEE THIS AS BEING ABLE TO PROTECT THE CITIZENS OR THE STAFF.
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YOU OWE ME.PAY ME, UH, THE, THE CONCLUSION FROM THE COUNTY TODAY, UH, AND MS. LAMB, YOU WANTED TO, WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
SO I WON'T TAKE AWAY YOUR THUNDER.
UM, ABOUT, UM, THEM NOT, UH, I MEAN STILL, IT STILL NOT STILL HAS NOT OBTAINED A LEASE EXTENSION FROM BREVARD COUNTY TO USE THEIR PARCEL.
SO I KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING PAST, I KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING PAST BREVARD RENAISSANCE AND, AND I GET THAT, THAT THAT WAS THE, THE CORE OF THE ORIGINAL PART OF THIS.
UM, BUT I THINK THERE ARE GREAT POINTS IN HERE THAT WE SHOULD EXPLORE FOR OTHER POTENTIALS.
AND THEN TO BE ABLE TO DRAW, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY DRAW YEAH.
BUT I CAN'T AGREE WITH THIS MR. SMITH.
NOT WITHOUT FULL STAFF IMPLEMENT, YOU KNOW, UH, ACKNOWLEDGEMENT AND, UH, UNDERSTANDING AND EVERYTHING THAT GOES ALONG.
EVEN WITH, WITH THE FEEDING THE, THE, THE GROUP FEEDINGS.
WE GOTTA GO THROUGH CERTAIN PROCESS TO UNDERSTAND IT.
I KNOW WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT FOR A WHILE AND I, I COMPLIMENT YOU ON THIS, BUT BECAUSE YOU'VE PUT A LOT OF EFFORT INTO THIS AND I WANT TO SEE YOU SUCCEED WITH IT.
BUT I WANT TO SUCCEED WITH IT IN THE MOST APPLICABLE WAY THAT PROTECTS OUR CITY.
DID YOU, JEN, YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THE FAMILY? WE WANNA HEAR YOUR, WE WANNA HEAR YOU.
SO I DID WANNA JUST POINT OUT THAT AFTER THIS AGENDA ITEM WAS ON, WE RECEIVED THE, THE EMAIL FROM, UM, FROM PETER THIS MORNING.
AND, YOU KNOW, HE IS TALKING ABOUT HAVING ANOTHER REN FAIR JANUARY FEB, FEBRUARY OF 2026.
WELL, HE DOES NOT HAVE A LEASE WITH THE COUNTY FOR JANUARY, FEBRUARY OF 2026.
I CONTACTED THE COUNTY BECAUSE I'M LIKE, WHOA, WHAT HAS CHANGED? YOU KNOW, THAT'S VERY DIFFERENT THAN YOUR, UM, YOUR THE LAST LETTER THAT I SAW ON JULY 17TH, WHICH WAS A NOTICE OF BREACH OF, OF, OF, UM, LEASE.
AND SO I I, I RECEIVED CONFIRMATION FROM THE COUNTY THAT THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE THAT.
THE LONGEST THAT THIS LEASE WOULD GO WOULD BE THE END OF SEPTEMBER.
THAT TECHNICALLY THE LEASE WILL EXPIRE ON, I BELIEVE AUGUST 6TH IF THE, IF IT'S NOT CURED FROM, FROM THEIR LETTER THAT THEY SENT ON JULY 7TH, AND THAT IF THEY WERE TO LEASE THIS TO ANYONE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO OUT FOR COMPETITIVE PROPOSALS AT THAT POINT.
I DO ALSO WANNA POINT OUT, AND I'M NOT GONNA READ EVERYTHING THAT THAT'S IN HERE, BUT A TEMPORARY USE.
AND IF THAT, THAT'S WHAT COUNCIL WANTS US TO PURSUE, I UNDERSTAND WE WILL PURSUE THAT.
HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT ARE OF TEMPORARY NATURE THAT THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE CONTROL OVER.
AND SO, FOR INSTANCE, THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE, I A CITY MANAGER CAN'T OVERRIDE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE.
YOU AS COUNSEL CANNOT OVERRIDE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE.
AND SO WHEN FLORIDA BUILDING CODE SAYS A TEMPORARY STRUCTURE IS 180 DAYS, IT'S 180 DAYS.
THERE MIGHT BE A LITTLE WIGGLE ROOM IF YOU DO SUBMIT SOME ADDITIONAL PAPERWORK ON, ON IF IT MEETS, YOU KNOW, IF, AND YOU END UP GETTING IT PERMITTED, IT MAYBE COULD LAST LONGER.
HOWEVER, WE DO NOT HAVE THAT DOCUMENTATION AT THIS POINT.
SOMETIME, I THINK EARLY JUNE, WE DID RECEIVE A LETTER FROM A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER THAT SAID THEY WERE EVALUATING THE CASTLE TO SEE IF THEY COULD, THEY COULD BRING THAT UP TO, TO NOT EITHER TO BRING IT UP TO CODE OR IF IT WAS UP TO CODE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE.
THAT IS, WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED A RESUBMITTAL ON THAT, THAT APPLICATION.
SO THE STAFF'S CONCERN, MY CONCERN IS WE ARE IN HURRICANE SEASON.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT WIND LOADS THAT CASTLE IS RATED FOR.
AND TO ME, I SEE THAT AS A SAFETY CONCERN.
AND THAT, THAT I CAN'T, REGARDLESS OF WHAT TYPE OF TEMPORARY USE THAT WE ALLOW, I CAN'T OVERRULE THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE.
AND THEN, UM, I'LL GIVE MY THOUGHTS AND WE'LL GO DOWN THIS WAY.
BUT, UM, I, I APPRECIATE THAT JENNY.
'CAUSE THAT HIT TWO OF THE MAIN PIECES THAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT, WHICH IS ONE, IT NEEDS TO BE IN COMPLIANT.
EVERYTHING IS TO BE IN COMPLIANT WITH THE CITY AS WELL AS THE STATE.
UH, UH, I AM NOT AN EXPERT ON THIS.
I DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE IN A POSITION TO DO ANYTHING AT THIS, AT THIS JUNCTURE UNTIL ANY OF THAT IS MET.
AND THEN SECONDLY, THE MOST IMPORTANTLY, UH, PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, COUNTY OWNS THIS PROPERTY.
WE UNTIL AUGUST 6TH, WHICH I APPRECIATE THAT DATE.
I, WE CAN'T, WE, WE'D BE NOT, WE WOULDN'T BE DOING ANYTHING.
WE COULDN'T KNOW UNTIL THE COUNTY, UH, TELLS US THAT YES, THEY'RE THE ONES WHO HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO SOMETHING ON THIS PIECE OF LAND.
NOW, IF SOMEBODY ELSE WANTED TO COME IN AND THEY TALK TO THE COUNTY, YOU COULD PROBABLY, YOU DON'T EVEN NEED TO DO, I DON'T THINK ALL OF THESE FOUR POINTS.
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WHAT DO THEY CALL THAT? THE, UM, STATE CARE FOLKS, IF THEY GET A A, A SOMETHING WITH THE COUNTY AND THEY GET A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME, WE'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS WITH EVERYBODY.SO I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO GO AND CHANGE OUR CODE AND DO EVERYTHING.
IT'S MORE SO COMPLYING WITH OUR CURRENT CONCURRENT LAWS.
AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT.
BUT THAT'S MY, UH, PERSONAL TAKE AT THE MOMENT GOING JENNY'S BACK.
UM, IF, IF THE RENAISSANCE FAIR HAD JUST DONE THE RENAISSANCE FAIR AND THEY STILL HAD THEIR LEASE WITH THE COUNTY, THEY COULD DO THEIR RENAISSANCE FAIR AGAIN IN JANUARY, FEBRUARY, AS LONG AS THAT CASTLE WAS PERMITTED AND OR IT WAS TEMPORARY AND IT WENT DOWN AND IT CAME BACK UP BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE A TEMPORARY USE.
THE ONE TIME IT MEETS THE NUMBER OF DAYS AS OUR, AS OUR SPECIAL ACTIVITY AND AS OUR TEMPORARY USE IS SPELLED OUT SAYING THAT.
DOWN HERE, ANYBODY? I DO, YES.
MY BIG THING IS LIKE MR. LARUSSO SAYS WE ARE A SMALL BUSINESS AS THEY HAD IT BEFORE.
AND THIS IS HOW, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS NOT, IT WAS A FEE TO, FOR AN APPLICATION FEE THAT MAYBE THAT WASN'T GONNA GO.
WE DIDN'T GET, BUT THESE PEOPLE GOT, WE HAD PEOPLE OUT THERE DOING THE TRAFFIC AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE'VE PUT HARD DOLLARS OUT THERE.
WE SHOULD BE GETTING OUR MONEY BACK PERIOD.
ANYBODY ELSE WE ARE NOT GONNA DO BUSINESS WITH.
I MEAN, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT.
I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD GO FORWARD WITH THIS WITH ANYTHING ON THIS, ABOUT THIS PROPERTY.
WE HAVE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.
WE HAVE THE BUDGET RIGHT NOW THAT WE'RE DOING.
I'D RATHER HAVE THEM BE LOOKING AT THE BUDGET AND HELPING US WITH THAT THEN DEALING WITH THIS BECAUSE THE COUNTY HAS, IS NOT GOTTEN PAID.
SO I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GONNA GO MOVING FORWARD.
SO THERE'S TOO MANY PEOPLE THAT HAVEN'T BEEN PAID.
AND THEN I'M NOT QUITE, I'M, THERE'S SOMEBODY ELSE THAT MAYBE NOT GOT PAID THAT WILL BE COMING BACK TO ON THIS SITUATION THAT WAS BEEN PUT IN DIFFERENT THINGS.
SO I'M NOT COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD AND WE'RE ALMOST PUTTING GOOD MONEY AFTER BAD MONEY.
WE'RE, WE'RE JUST KEEP GOING IN THERE.
I WOULD RATHER JUST, JUST DROP THIS SUBJECT FOR THIS MOMENT IN TIME, SEE WHAT THE COUNTY DOES, AND THEN MOVE FORWARD IN THAT TIME PERIOD.
'CAUSE WE MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE SAYING THE FORER GROUND, WE ALL LOOK AT THE MONEY, WHERE THE MONEY IS.
WE MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD THAT RIGHT NOW.
IT MIGHT BE 10 YEARS FROM NOW AND MOST OF US WILL BE OFF THE COUNCIL BY THAT TIME.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE, YOU CAN ALWAYS COME BACK.
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS THAT WE'RE JUST, AND, AND THINGS WILL BE DIFFERENT NOW AS SOMEBODY THAT IS RIGHT BEHIND MY OFFICE AND THAT STRUCTURE IS NOT THERE.
AND IF WE HAVE A GOOD STORM THAT'S GOING TO MY ROOF, I'M NOT GONNA BE THRILLED ABOUT THAT.
THAT I GOTTA DEAL WITH THAT IS ISSUE.
SO I WANT THAT, I WANT THE STRUCTURE DOWN.
IF THAT'S NOT MEETING CODE BECAUSE IT'S, THERE'S TOO MANY IN MY OFFICE BUILDING, I WOULD BE COMING BACK AT THE CITY.
WHY DIDN'T YOU PUT, WHY DIDN'T WE PRESSURE HIM AND TA HAVE IT TAKEN DOWN AT THAT TIME PERIOD? YES MA'AM.
UM, I WANT TO TAKE THE RENAISSANCE FAIR OUT OF THE EQUATION FOR THE MOMENT AND I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE PROPOSAL THAT YOU'VE MADE AND LOOK AT BECAUSE IT'S VALID AND IT'S A FRAMEWORK TO FOLLOW MM-HMM
BUT LIKE WE SAID, OTHERS MAY HAPPEN AND THIS IS A GOOD PATHWAY FOR US TO UNDERSTAND THAT.
NOT NECESSARILY, YOU KNOW, JUMP INTO IT ALL, BOTH FEET.
UM, LET'S, AND BEING PROACTIVE, I BELIEVE THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO STILL FOLLOW THE MAYOR'S, UH, REQUESTS AND, AND PURCHASE THAT PROPERTY.
BUT IF WE DO WE GET THE FIRE FACILITY, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TRAINING AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
UH, IF IT ALL COMES TO FRUITION, UM, I'D LIKE TO HAVE WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU'RE COMING HERE AND I NEED GROUND LEVEL, YOU KNOW, SO I DON'T WANT TO THROW, I DON'T WANNA THROW THE BABY OUT THE BACKWATER YOU A BAD ORDER.
THAT'S, I, THAT'S WHAT I'M FEARFUL OF.
UH, BEFORE I GIVE IT BACK TO MARCUS, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING OR YOU GOOD? UH, I, I, I, I PERSONALLY LOVE RUN FEST.
I'VE BEEN GOING TO HIM SINCE I WAS A KID.
UM, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS WORK, BUT I, I KNOW THAT, UM, TO SQUARE UP WITH THE COUNTY, SQUARE UP WITH US, MAKE EVERYTHING LEGAL AND SET, AND MAYBE WE CAN, WE CAN DO BUSINESS.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN.
THAT'S ALL I'M GONNA SAY ABOUT IT.
AND THEN, SO, AND THEN MARCUS, UM, YOU CAN EITHER GO OR PETER SAT HELD OUT TO REQUEST TO SPEAK FOR HIM.
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UH, IT'S YOUR, YOUR PLEASURE RIGHT NOW.I I I MEAN, LET'S, LET'S GO AHEAD AND HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
I I'LL SAVE MY COMMENTS FOR AFTER WE HEAR FROM.
PETER, YOU WANT TO COME UP AND SPEAK? LET ME PUT MY THOUGHTS TOGETHER HERE.
'CAUSE THAT'S NOT QUITE WHAT I EXPECTED TONIGHT.
SO I REPRESENTED BREVARD RENAISSANCE FAIR.
WHEN WE GOT INTO THIS DEAL, I DON'T KNOW, WITH BREVARD COUNTY AND THE CITY A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO.
WE HAD A DIFFERENT VISION, I THINK, THAN WHAT'S COME TOGETHER.
WHAT WE WATCHED DEVELOP OVER THIS LAST YEAR, WHEN WE SIGNED THE CONTRACTS WITH THE COUNTY, WE KNEW UPFRONT IT WAS FOR A YEAR AND TWO SIX MONTH INCREMENTS, AND THAT WE WERE ALLOWED TO HOLD WHATEVER EVENTS WE COULD HOLD THERE ON THAT SITE.
THAT WAS OUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE WHOLE ENTIRE CONTRACT.
WE NEVER KNEW ABOUT THE 180 DAYS UNTIL LATER ON, WHICH THREW US FOR A SURPRISE.
WE BUILT THAT CASTLE BECAUSE WE WANTED IT TO BE A CENTER POINT.
IT'S GOT 30 TELEPHONE POLES HOLDING IT IN THE GROUND, SIX FEET DOWN.
THAT CASTLE'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE.
I WILL GET YOU THE LETTER FROM THE ENGINEERS FROM TWO DIFFERENT ENGINEERING COMPANIES THAT'LL SHOW THAT IT'S AT LEAST A HUNDRED TO 130 MILE AN HOUR WIND PROOF.
UH, I TOLD 'EM TO STOP THE PROJECT A COUPLE OF WEEKS BACK WHEN I JUST FELT LIKE THERE WAS GONNA BE NO CONCLUSION TO THIS FOR US.
I COME TO A LOT OF YOUR MEETINGS, I GO TO A LOT, ALMOST ALL OF THE COUNTY MEETINGS, AND I LISTENED.
AND I'VE NEVER HEARD SARNO PROPERTY MENTIONED SO MUCH IN THIS LAST YEAR.
I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IT EXISTED UNTIL A YEAR AGO.
I THINK IT'S GOT GREAT POTENTIAL, BUT I THINK THE CITY HAS A DIFFERENT VISION THAN WHAT WE HAVE.
THAT WAS PART OF THE REASON I MADE THE ANNOUNCEMENT A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO THAT WE WERE MOVING TO OSCEOLA COUNTY.
AND AS FAR AS THE FUNDS THAT I OWE THE CITY, I HELD THEM BACK.
YOU CAN CALL IT BLACKMAIL, BUT THE CITY INFORMED ME AT THE END OF JANUARY THAT WE WEREN'T ALLOWED TO HOLD MORE EVENTS THERE.
WHEN WE LAID OUT THE PLANS FOR THAT EVENT SITE, WE FIGURED OUR CASH FLOW, THIS IS WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO EVERY MONTH TO PAY OUR BILLS.
WHEN THE CITY SAID, YOU CAN NO LONGER HOLD EVENTS THERE, YOU CUT OFF ALL OUR CASH FLOW AND THAT CUTS.
AND A LOT OF THINGS START TO HAPPEN.
YOU START TO DEFAULT ON LOANS, YOU START TO DEFAULT ON PAYMENTS, ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'RE DONE, YOU'RE DONE.
AND BRADSTREET SCORE GOES DOWN AND THEN THIS HAPPENS.
AND I TRIED TO WARN THE CITY THAT BY NOT ALLOWING US TO HOLD OUR EVENTS, TO CONTINUE OUR CASH FLOW, YOU'RE GONNA IMPACT US.
NOW, I SENT THIS LETTER TO YOU GUYS TODAY BECAUSE I WAS TOLD BY SOMEBODY A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, WOULD YOU BE INTERESTED IN STAYING IN BREVARD, AT LEAST FOR ANOTHER YEAR? AND WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO DO THE RENAISSANCE FAIR THERE ONE MORE TIME? I SAID, SURE.
WE WOULD, WE'D SPEND 11 YEARS HERE.
WE'RE ALMOST 13 YEARS PUTTING ON SHOWS.
AND THAT WAS THE REASON I SENT THE EMAIL TO SAY WE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN DOING THAT.
THESE ARE THE STEPS WE'LL TAKE.
IF THAT SATISFIES EVERYBODY, WE'LL DO OUR LAST RENAISSANCE FAIR THERE NO OTHER EVENTS.
JANUARY AND FEBRUARY, WE'LL MOVE ON.
AND IT'S REALLY WHAT ALL WE WERE AFTER IS THAT WE'D LEAVE ON A GOOD NOTE.
YOU GUYS ARE ABLE TO ALLOW US TO LEAVE ON A GOOD NOTE.
SO I WASN'T TRYING TO BLACKMAIL YOU ABOUT THE MONEY.
THAT'S JUST THE WAY THINGS HAPPENED.
ALL RIGHT, SIR, YOU CAN ASK QUESTIONS.
UH, THIS HAS NEVER HAPPENED WHEN YOU WERE AT WICKHAM PARK, ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW WE'RE FOLDING INTO ALL THESE CHALLENGES AND ALL THIS MONEY OWED.
AND I KNOW THAT THE COUNTY TOOK THAT AWAY FROM YOU, BUT WE STILL PERMITTED, WE STILL OVERSAW ALL THE PERMITTING, UH, EVERYTHING WITHIN THAT PARK FOR YOU TO OPERATE.
SO WHY ALL OF A SUDDEN, AFTER 12 YEARS, OR 11, 12 YEARS THAT YOU WERE SUCCESSFUL IN WICKHAM PARK? AND NOW I KNOW THE COUNTY COMMISSION TOOK THAT TIME AWAY FROM YOU, RIGHT? BUT NOW YOU TRANSITION OVER HERE.
NOW WE'VE GOT A BUCKET LOAD OF, OF, OF CHALLENGES.
RIGHT? HOW DOES THAT WELL, IT WAS A WHOLE DIFFERENT, HOW DOES THAT CORRESPOND WITH, WITH WHERE YOU WERE? BECAUSE WE WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION, OF COURSE, I WAS THAT, OKAY, EVERYTHING IS WORKING OVER HERE FOR THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, SO SURE, LET'S, LET'S JUST DO WHAT WE CAN TO GET HIM OVER THERE.
BUT ALL OF A SUDDEN EVERYTHING STARTED TO CASCADE.
IT STARTED TO BUILD AND BUILD LIKE THE SNOWBALL GOING DOWN THE, UH, THE HILL.
WELL, LET ME EXPLAIN THAT TO YOU.
WE WENT ONTO THE SITE, WE WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THIS WAS GONNA BE A LONG TERM DEAL.
REMEMBER YOU WERE NEGOTIATING WITH THE COUNTY.
WHEN WE MET WITH THE COUNTY, THEY WERE ALL EXCITED.
THEY WERE GONNA SELL IT TO THE CITY OF MELBOURNE.
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WHOOPS.WHEN WE MET WITH MELBOURNE, THEY WERE ALL EXCITED.
THEY WERE GONNA GET THE LAND FROM THE COUNTY AND THAT FELL APART.
BUT WE'D ALREADY MADE THE INVESTMENT, WE'D ALREADY MADE THE COMMITMENT TO THAT SITE.
WE HAD ALREADY STARTED TO PUT UP THE CASTLE AND BUILD THE BUILDINGS.
WE HAD ALREADY MADE THAT COMMITMENT AND THAT FINANCIAL INVESTMENT.
DO WE JUST STOP THERE AND LEAVE HALF A CASTLE THERE AND A HALF A STAGE, HALF A STABLE? NO, WE'RE GONNA FINISH 'EM.
WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO OUR CUSTOMERS TO PUT ON THE BEST SHOW THAT WE CAN PUT ON.
EVEN THOUGH THERE'S OTHER THINGS GOING ON.
WE'D NEVER RUN INTO THAT AT WICKHAM PARK.
WE HAD OUR CHALLENGES AT WICKHAM PARK THE LAST YEAR.
WE WERE THERE IN THE MUD SHOW.
REMEMBER OUR T-SHIRT SAID, UH, LIVE LAUGH IN MUD, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS OUR T-SHIRT FOR THAT YEAR.
WE PUT A QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS ON THE GROUND IS WHAT WE STUCK INTO THAT ONLY TO FIND OUT WE COULD NO LONGER HAVE EVENTS THERE.
PETER, THE CHALLENGE THAT I HAVE REALLY, YEAH, IT'S NOT JUST MONEY ASPECT, BUT IT'S THE, IT'S THE, IS THE FACT THAT YOU DIDN'T GO THROUGH OUR, OUR STAFF WITH THE PERMITTING, PROCESSING AND JUST BUILDING, YOU KNOW, DARN WELL YOU CAN'T BUILD A CASTLE WITHOUT A PERMIT.
AND NOW THAT WE DON'T NEED THE ENGINEERING PART OF IT, WE NEED THE ARCHITECTURAL, UH, PRINT ON IT.
DID YOU BRING, AND YOU PROMISED THAT A COUPLE OF MONTHS BACK, SO I ASKED, DID YOU BRING THAT WITH YOU TONIGHT? SO MAYBE WE CAN TAKE A STEP FORWARD.
NO, BUT I TOLD STAFF UP FRONT A LONG TIME AGO, AND IT'S PROBABLY IN AN EMAIL SOMEWHERE, THAT THESE BUILDINGS ARE BEING BUILT AS TEMPORARY, BUT SOLID BUILDINGS.
AND IF AND WHEN THE SITE BECOMES A PERMANENT SITE, WE ARE MORE THAN WILLING TO MAKE THEM PERMANENT STRUCTURES AND DO WHATEVER IT NEEDS TO.
WELL, APPARENTLY STAFF DISAGREES WITH YOU STAFF.
WHAT, UH, STAFF HAS DISAGREED WITH YOU, UH, ON, ON YOUR CONCLUSION OF WHAT THE MEETING WAS BETWEEN THEM AND YOU, THE PERMITTING, THE STRUCTURAL, UH, INTEGRITY OF THE PRO OF THE PROJECT.
I, I DON'T WANT TO BE, I DON'T WANT TO BELAY THIS, PETER.
BUT I ALSO WANT MY, MY CITY TO SUCCEED AND I WANT TO MOVE FORWARD IN THE MOST POSITIVE AND PROACTIVE WAY.
AND THAT'S WHAT I TRIED TO OFFER YOU.
I WAS YOU TODAY, UH, AGGRESSIVE WITH YOU THIS EVENING.
YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN WE, WHEN PEOPLE DON'T FOLLOW THE RULES, IT'S SO SIMPLE.
JUST WALK INTO THE OFFICE, ASK QUESTIONS, GET STAFF ON THE PHONE.
AND I'M PROUD OF MY STAFF AND I'M NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING THAT'S GONNA THROW THEM UNDER THE BUS.
YOU KNOW, WE HAD 75 DAYS TO BUILD THAT SITE FROM CLEARING IT TO BUILDING TO BUILDINGS.
AND IT WAS A RUSH, 24 HOURS A DAY.
HOPEFULLY YOU CAN MAKE THE JANUARY AND FEBRUARY SHOW AT A DIFFERENT LOCATION.
IF I MAY, UH, WHY DIDN'T YOU KNOW ABOUT THE 180 DAYS? I DIDN'T KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THAT.
THAT THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PART OF DUE DILIGENCE WITH SIGNING CONTRACTS.
WELL, WE TH WE THOUGHT IT WAS A TEMPORARY SITE WAS GONNA BECOME A PERMANENT SITE.
AND THAT'S WHY WE, WE NEVER KNEW THAT THERE WAS 180 DAY LIMIT ON THOSE.
SO WAKE NEVER HAD THE SAME STIPULATION? NO, BECAUSE IT WAS TEMPORARY PARKING, BECAUSE IT WAS, WE WERE ONLY THERE FOR 30 DAYS OR 60 DAYS AT COMB PARK.
AND THAT CASTLE WE HAD AT WICKHAM PARK, WE HAD IT UP OVER HERE.
IT WAS SO SMALL IN THAT BIG LOT.
THAT WAS THE REASON WE BUILT THE BIG CASTLE QUESTION.
SO TO ME, I, I HEAR THE BIGGEST STICKING POINT, AND, AND I DON'T KNOW, AND I KNOW THE COUNTY'S NOT HERE TO DEFEND THEMSELVES, AND THIS IS THE PART THAT WE'RE NOT ABLE TO OVERCOME, IS THAT BASED OFF OF THE AGREEMENTS AND EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAD, YOU WERE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE MORE THAN THE TWO EVENTS THAT WAS THERE.
THAT THAT RIGHT THERE WAS WELL, NO, WE WERE ALLOWED TO HAVE A LOT MORE.
ALL WE HAD TO DO WAS PRESENT 'EM TO THE COMMISSIONERS FOR THEIR APPROVAL.
AND ONCE THEY APPROVE THEM, THEN, THEN WE COULD PULL THE PERMIT.
SO DID YOU GET ADDITIONAL APPROVAL FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? WE DIDN'T GO ANYMORE WHEN THEY TOLD US WE COULDN'T HAVE ANYMORE.
WELL IT WAS BASED ON THE COMMISSIONERS'.
I BELIEVE IT WAS STAFF THAT TOLD US WE COULDN'T HAVE ANYMORE.
UH, MY MY BEST UNDERSTANDING THOUGH WOULD BE THAT STAFF IS TELLING YOU THAT YOU NEED THE COMMISSIONERS TO APPROVE SOMETHING BEFORE WE CAN DO ANYTHING.
THAT'S IT, IT'S NOT OUR PROPERTY.
WE CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT TO DO WITH THAT.
SO, AND, AND IT, IT'S, IT'S IN THE PACKET A LITTLE.
IT'S, IT'S, I THINK IN THESE MATERIALS, RIGHT? AND AGAIN, RIGHT.
THE THE LEASE, I, I WILL RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE WITH MR. MOHEN ON THE INTENT OF THE LEASE, RIGHT? IT'S, IT'S SEEMINGLY VERY CLEAR.
THE ORIGINAL LEASE SAID THIS LEASE IS FOR SIX MONTHS WITH AN OPTION FOR SIX MONTHS TO HOST BREVARD RENAISSANCE FESTIVAL.
THERE WAS AN AMENDMENT DONE TO THAT LEASE, UH, AT SOME POINT LATER AF AFTER OCTOBER, PROBABLY IN THE JANUARY TIMEFRAME, DECEMBER TO JANUARY TIMEFRAME,
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THAT ADDED STRAWBERRY FEST AS AN ADDITIONAL EVENT.THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO EVENTS THAT THE LEASE SPOKE TO AS THE CITY WAS ISSUING ITS ORIGINAL, UM, SPECIAL ACTIVITY PERMIT.
I THINK THAT WAS JANUARY 13TH.
THE PERMIT AGREEMENT HAD LANGUAGE IN THERE TALKING ABOUT THE TEMPORARY STRUCTURES, TALKING ABOUT THE FACT THAT THEY'D HAVE TO BE REMOVED.
THE VERY NEXT DAY ON JANUARY 14TH IS WHEN CITY MANAGER SENT CORRESPONDENCE TO THE COUNTY AND MR. MOHEN EXPRESSING CONCERN WITH OUR ORIGINAL UNDERSTANDING THAT THE SITE WAS BEING LEASED AND ISSUED A SPECIAL ACTIVITY PERMIT FOR THAT ONE.
AND THEN TWO PARTICULAR EVENTS.
BUT THAT MR. MULHOUSE KEPT TALKING ABOUT ALL OF THESE OTHER EVENTS THAT WERE OCCURRING.
AND THAT'S WHEN THAT CORRESPONDENCE TO THE COUNTY CAME IN OF WOE, HANG ON A SECOND.
WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING BEYOND SPECIAL ACTIVITY PERMITTING.
WE'RE NOW TALKING ABOUT MORE REGULAR AND CONSISTENT USE.
THAT'S WHEN ALL OF THE ZONING ISSUES COME IN.
THAT'S WHEN ALL OF THE SITE DEVELOPMENT ISSUES COME IN.
THAT'S WHEN ALL OF THE BUILDING CODE, YOU KNOW, MORE PERMANENT BUILDING CODE ISSUES COME IN.
SO THE, THE CITY WAS NOT SAYING YOU CAN'T HOST ADDITIONAL EVENTS.
WE WERE TELLING THE COUNTY, HOW IS IT YOU ARE TRYING AND ATTEMPTING TO USE THE PROPERTY THAT, THAT YOU OWN? AND IS THIS YOUR REALLY UNDERLYING INTENT? BECAUSE IT'S GONNA REQUIRE CERTAIN ADDITIONAL THINGS.
AND THE, THE COUNTY'S RESPONSE, AT LEAST COUNTY STAFF'S RESPONSE, HAS BEEN A VERY CONSISTENT, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DO ANYTHING MORE THAT.
AND THAT RIGHT THERE IS, IS THE MAIN STICKING POINT.
SO IF YOU WERE PAYING A MONTHLY LEASE, BUT YOU WERE NOT ALLOWED FROM BY THE COUNTY TO DO MORE EVENTS, THE CITY ARMS WERE, WERE HANDCUFFED AND TIED FROM THAT POINT.
I MEAN, SO NO MATTER, EVEN, EVEN WITH THE THINGS THAT WERE KIND OF PUT TOGETHER, YOU WERE GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE OUT THAT CONDO WITH THE COUNTY.
I I, I DON'T HAVE THE LEASE WITH ME, BUT THE LEASE CLEARLY STATES AND IF, IF YOU'VE GOT IT, IT CLEARLY STATES, AND I WANT TO SAY IT'S IN SECTION 21 OR SOMETHING, IT STATES THAT WE ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE OTHER EVENTS THERE.
AND I'VE MET WITH THE COMMISSIONERS ABOUT THAT A COUPLE OF TIMES ALREADY.
ALL WE HAD TO DO WAS SUBMIT 'EM TO THE COMMISSIONERS FOR THEIR APPROVAL.
BUT I MEAN, WE CAN STAND HERE AND ARGUE ABOUT THAT ALL NIGHT.
ALL I KNOW IS THE BREVARD RENAISSANCE FAIR FELL, FEELS LIKE IT GOT CAUGHT IN THE MIDDLE BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND THE CITY.
WE DIDN'T, THE CITY, THE COUNTY HAD ONE VISION.
I THINK THE CITY HAS ANOTHER SET OF THINGS.
WE INTERPRETED THAT SOMETHING WAS GONNA HAPPEN THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
OBVIOUSLY YOU GUYS ARE WORKING ON THAT NOW.
WE MADE DECISIONS THAT WE THOUGHT WERE SOLID DECISIONS AND THEY, THEY DIDN'T TURN OUT TO BE SOLID DECISIONS.
IF WE'D HAVE KNOWN IT WAS 180 DAY LIMIT, WE'D HAVE NEVER BUILT THE CASTLE.
I DONE NEVER DUMPED THAT MONEY INTO IT.
I COULD HAVE FOUND OTHER RESOURCES OR OTHER THINGS TO DO, BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS.
ALRIGHT, WELL THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
AND WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL HERE.
SO MARCUS, THIS IS YOUR, THIS IS YOUR ITEM.
UH, WHAT DO YOU, AFTER THIS DISCUSSION, WHAT ARE YOU THINKING? WELL, WELL FIRST OFF, UH, LEMME SAY THANK YOU TO ALL OF YOU.
'CAUSE THIS WAS PROBABLY THE, THE BEST, UH, DUE DILIGENCE DISCUSSION THAT WE FINALLY HAD.
AND I THINK THAT THIS CLARIFIED A LOT OF THINGS.
EVEN I KNOW THERE WAS TIME LAPSE AND THINGS THAT HAPPENED, AND I THINK THAT THAT LAST POINT THAT, UH, CITY ATTORNEY MADE AND THAT, THAT I RECOGNIZED THAT THAT WAS THE MAJOR STICKING POINT, WHICH WAS, YOU KNOW, THE CITY WAS NOT GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT REAL, IF THERE WAS NO PATHWAY FROM THE COUNTY TO SAY YOU COULD DO MORE EVENTS.
SO, SO, AND THAT, WITH THAT BEING CAUGHT IN THE MIDDLE THAT HE MENTIONS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.
BUT I, BUT WITH THAT SAID, UH, MY, UH, COUNCILMAN RUSSO MADE SOME POINTS, UH, THAT I DO THINK THAT WE STILL SHOULD BE PROACTIVE, UH, AND, AND STILL LOOK AT, UH, ZONING CONSIDERATION, OTHER CONSIDERATIONS.
WE'RE CALLING THIS THE FEASIBILITY STUDY.
YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT THE PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO I GUESS, OR, YOU KNOW, BUT, UH, I, I DO THINK THAT WE SHOULD STILL PROVIDE GUIDANCE TO, TO STAFF TO TAKE A LOOK AT BECAUSE WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE ANYTHING ON THE BOOKS.
AND THAT'S, AND THAT, AND THAT IS AN ISSUE THAT WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT.
THERE'S NOTHING REALLY THAT, UH, DEALS WITH A SITUATION LIKE THIS BECAUSE A, A, A GOOD POINT WAS MADE.
WHAT IF THE STATE FAIR WANTED TO COME IN AFTER WHATEVER THIS IS RESOLVED AND THEY SAY, HEY, YOU, YOU GOT THIS LAND, WHAT IF WE WANT? SO I STILL THINK WE NEED TO BE PROACTIVE.
UH, AND IN LIGHT OF WHAT THE MAYOR HAS STATED, UH, AT, UH, AT PREVIOUS, UH, COUNCIL MEETINGS, UH, I THINK THAT IT BEHOOVES US TO STILL BE PRUDENT, UH, STILL TAKE A LOOK.
AND MAYBE IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, IF IT IS THIS POTENTIAL PROPERTY, I THINK A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FROM MY STANDPOINT, BUT MAYBE THERE'S ANOTHER PROPERTY THAT STILL, WE STILL HAVE THE SAME SITUATION, WHICH IS WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ON THE BOOKS THAT DEAL WITH A A, A LAND OR USE LIKE THIS OR EVENTS, UH, POTENTIALLY LIKE THIS.
WELL, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE, OUR SPECIAL EVENT PERMITTING PROCESS CURRENTLY WOULD ALLOW THE SPACE COAST STATE FAIR AND THE OTHER OTHER ORGANIZATION, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT, TO DO IT IF THE COUNTY DID.
THAT'S WHY I'M HAVING A, I'M HAVING A HARD TIME GETTING TO WHERE YOU'RE AT BY HAVING THEM LOOK AT CODE AND ZONING AND CREATING THIS, THIS, UH, THIS THING WHERE IT'S GONNA BE A YEAR LONG KIND OF
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VERY LIMITED OVERSIGHT IDEA BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE THE TOOLS TO DO THAT, I GUESS IS MY, THAT'S MY VIEWPOINT, UM, OF WHERE WE'RE AT BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY DONE IT.THIS IS WHAT WE JUST DID IT THAT WAS USING OUR CURRENT TOOLS.
LIKE THEY WERE ABLE TO DO EVERYTHING EXCEPT FOR KEEP A PERMANENT STRUCTURE ON THE SITE.
UM, IS MY UNDERSTANDING, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF JENNY, YOU HAVE YOUR FINGER ON, I DUNNO IF YOU HAD THOUGHTS ON THAT OR, OR ADAM, BUT THAT'S, I I FEEL LIKE WE CAN CURRENTLY DO WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT, ESPECIALLY ABOUT TEMPORARY.
A A I THINK IF I'M, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY, IT'S STILL COUNCILMAN SMITH SAYING THAT THE TIMEFRAME THAT OUR CODE CURRENTLY CONTEMPLATES FOR A SPECIAL EVENT AND A TEMPORARY USE THAT DOESN'T START IMPACTING OUR ZONING AND LAND DEVELOPMENT, UH, APPROVAL PROCESSES.
IS IT TOO LIMITED IN ITS SCOPE FOR, UM, OTHER GOVERNMENTALLY OWNED PROPERTIES,
WHEREAS WICKHAM PARK, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, KEVIN WICKHAM PARK WOULDN'T HAVE THAT SAME TIME, TIME LIMIT ASSOCIATED WITH IT, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT'S A, IT'S A PUBLIC PROPERTY, IT'S A, IT'S A PARK PROPERTY.
AND SO THE, THE FREQUENCY AND DURATION OF EVENTS ISN'T, ISN'T SUBJECT TO THE SAME, UM, RESTRICTIONS.
THAT SAID, PLACES LIKE WICKHAM PARK HAVE GENERAL FACILITIES AND, YOU KNOW, INFRASTRUCTURE THAT CAN SUPPORT THOSE TYPES OF EVENTS, RIGHT? IT'S GOT PARKING, IT'S GOT, UM, BATHROOMS, IT'S GOT, YOU KNOW, OTHER, OTHER THINGS ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
AND SO AGAIN, RIGHT, IF, IF, IF THERE IS DIRECTION FROM COUNSEL ON REVIEW CODE TO SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AND WHAT MODIFICATIONS MIGHT BE NECESSARY TO, AGAIN, ON THE PRESUMPTION THAT THE COUNTY ENTERTAINS THE CONCEPT OF HAVING MORE REGULAR USE OF THE SITE FOR EVENTS, IS THERE A MIDDLE GROUND WHERE, UM, EVENTS CAN OCCUR ON THE SITE FOR A YEAR BASIS, WHATEVER THAT TIMEFRAME IS ON A, ON A MORE REGULAR BASIS? 'CAUSE I, I WANT TO, THE, THE REASON THE SPECIAL ACTIVITY CODE EXISTS, RIGHT? AND IT'S SET FORTH IN CODE, RIGHT? SPECIAL, SPECIAL EVENTS NEED A PERMIT WHEN A PARTICULAR EVENT IS EXCEEDING OR NEEDING ADDITIONAL, UM, CITY SERVICES OR THE FOOTPRINT OF THE, OF THE EVENT IS SORT OF EXCEEDING THE BOUNDS OF THAT SITE, RIGHT? SO IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT LIKE AN APPROVAL OF LIKE, YEAH, GO, GO DO THIS, RIGHT? YOU NEED A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT BECAUSE YOU NEED POLICE SERVICES BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE ANTICIPATING, OR YOU NEED MAINTENANCE OF TRAFFIC BECAUSE OF THE, THE LAYOUT OF THE SITE.
OR YOU NEED BUILDING, YOU NEED BUILDING PERMIT, UM, REVIEWS FOR TEMPORARY STRUCTURES THAT YOU'RE CREATING, RIGHT? IF THE SITE ITSELF WAS SELF-CONTAINED, THAT COULD JUST DO THE THING, THERE WOULDN'T BE A NEED FOR A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT, RIGHT? BUT THEN YOU GET INTO THE, WHAT'S THE BASIC ZONING AND USE CATEGORIES FOR THE USE FOR THE USE ITSELF, THE SITES RIGHT NOW, M1, RIGHT? SO A CHANGED OUTDOOR RECREATION IS EITHER REZONING OR CONDITIONAL USE FOR, FOR THAT, FOR THAT, FOR THAT TYPE OF USE, RIGHT? AGAIN, TO BE USED ON A REGULAR BASIS, RIGHT? WE'VE, WE'VE ALREADY, AND AND YOU'VE SEEN IT FROM, FROM THIS PAST JANUARY, UH, THE COUNTY SAID, YEAH, WE WANT TO HAVE A TEMPORARY AND SPECIAL EVENT HERE.
THE EVENT PROMOTER CAME IN, GOT THEIR SPECIAL ACTIVITY PERMIT.
IT WAS FOR THAT TIMEFRAME THAT WAS CONTEMPLATED BY CODE AND THROUGH, YOU KNOW, IT, IT WASN'T THE EASIEST PROCESS, RIGHT? 'CAUSE THE ENGINEERING AND THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, EVERYONE WAS TRYING TO GET THINGS TOGETHER TO GET THAT SITE READY FOR THAT EVENT.
BUT IT GOT PERMITTED AND IT, AND IT OCCURRED AND, YOU KNOW, YEAH, WE HAVE OUTSTANDING BALANCES.
BUT, BUT THAT EVENT OCCURRED WHERE CITY STAFF CONCERN COMES IN IS WHERE IT'S NOT A ONETIME, YOU KNOW, EVEN REFA, YOU KNOW, SIX WEEKENDS IN A ROW, RIGHT? BUT IT'S A DISTINCT PERIOD OF TIME AND, AND TEMPORARY IN NATURE.
AS I UNDERSTAND IT FROM COUNCILMAN SMITH, HE'S TALKING ABOUT, LET'S GET THIS SITE READY TO HOST OUTDOOR RECREATION EVENTS AS OFTEN AS POSSIBLE AND TO DO SO WITHOUT GOING THROUGH A NORMAL ZONING AND LAND DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL PROCESS THAT, THAT YOU NORMALLY WOULD IF YOU WERE CREATING AN OUTDOOR RECREATION SITE.
RIGHT? I I USED THE ANALOGY OF TANK AMERICA, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN MAY, RIGHT? IMAGINE IF TANK AMERICA AS AN OUTDOOR RECREATION USE CAME IN AND SAID, I'M LEASING THIS PROPERTY.
I WANT DO A FEASIBILITY STUDY FOR A YEAR TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT MY USE IS GONNA WORK.
AND I DON'T WANT TO DO A CONDITIONAL USE FOR MY OUTDOOR RECREATION ACTIVITY UNTIL I'VE DONE MY ONE YEAR FEASIBILITY STUDY.
IF THAT'S COUNCIL DIRECTION, WE'LL WE'LL, YOU KNOW, REVIEW IT AND TRY AND COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS TO THAT.
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BUT THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S AS I'M UNDERSTANDING IT, RIGHT? WE'RE, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT SPECIAL EVENT PERMITTING.WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE WE GONNA LET THE COUNTY SAY YES, SOME PROMOTER, SOMEBODY CAN COME IN AND DO EVENTS AT THIS SITE, OUTDOOR RECREATION EVENTS, WHATEVER THAT MAY BE.
AND IT'S NOT GONNA GO THROUGH, YOU KNOW, SITE PLAN APPROVAL, UH, PUBLIC HEARING.
YOU KNOW, THE, THE THINGS THAT OUR CODE CURRENTLY ANTICIPATES FOR THAT TYPE OF USE NOW IS, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY POTENTIALLY TO SAY MAYBE THE 30 DAY TIME PERIOD ISN'T, ISN'T APPROPRIATE? RIGHT.
IS THERE A LONGER TIME PERIOD? I THINK THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S THE FIRST STARTING POINT, RIGHT? IS WITHIN THE SPECIAL ACTIVITY CODE, IS THERE, YOU KNOW, IS, IS THE 30 DAYS APPROPRIATE, IS THAT APPROPRIATELY APPLIED TO THIS PARTICULAR COUNTY ON SITE? UH, OKAY.
THAT THAT'S A WORTH, THAT'S A WORTHWHILE QUESTION.
BUT AT, BUT AT SOME POINT, THAT TIME PERIOD AND THE FREQUENCY OF USE STOPS LOOKING LIKE TEMPORARY SPECIAL ACTIVITY PERMITS AND STARTS LOOKING LIKE A MORE PERMANENT, YOU KNOW, USE OF, OF THE SITE, WHICH WE MAKE EVERY OTHER PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER GO THROUGH OUR ZONING AND LAND DEVELOPMENT PROCESS TO ENSURE THAT THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE IS BEING ACCOUNTED FOR THROUGH THOSE REVIEW PROCESSES.
MY MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WOULD START WITH YOUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COUNTY THAT YOU'RE ALREADY HAVING.
ARE THEY ANTICIPATING THAT IF RENAISSANCE FAIR ISN'T THERE, THEY'RE GONNA CONTINUE THIS USE BASED ON THOSE OR, 'CAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE'D HAVE TO GET A SIGNAL FROM THEM BEFORE WE'RE GONNA GO AND UPEND OUR, OUR PROCESSES.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE MAYOR'S BEEN.
WELL, I'M SAYING THEY COMMUNICATE THAT TO STAFF.
I GUESS WHEN I SPOKE TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY, I MEAN, SORRY, THE COUNTY MANAGER AND COUNTY ATTORNEY TODAY, UM, THEY, THEY DIDN'T SAY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER IF THEY WERE PURSUING IT.
THEY JUST SAID THAT IF THEY WERE TO HAVE OTHER EVENTS OUT THERE, IF THEY WERE TO LEASE IT TO SOMEONE ELSE, IT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE COMPETITIVE PROCESS.
SO I'M NOT EVEN SURE THEY'VE GOTTEN TO THAT STEP YET BECAUSE THEY CURRENTLY HAVE A LEASE AND SO THEY WOULDN'T BE MAKING ANY DECISIONS UNTIL AFTER THAT LEASE, EITHER THE AUGUST 6TH DATE OR THE SEPTEMBER 30TH DATE.
SO WITH THAT IN MIND, UH, VICE MAYOR, WE KIND OF RUN INTO THAT CONUNDRUM AGAIN BECAUSE IF THE COUNTY DOES A 12 MONTH OR A SIX MONTH LEASE, BUT YET WE'RE SAYING SPECIAL EVENT FOR 30 DAYS RIGHT THERE, THAT, THAT CREATES THAT, THAT DILEMMA AGAIN.
SO, AND I, AND I KIND OF MADE A NOTE, UH, WHICH IS THIS SITE IS TREATED AS A NON-CITY OWNED PROPERTY, WHICH LIMITS ITS ELIGIBLE USES UNDER EXISTING RECREATIONAL ZONING CLASSIFICATIONS, AND THE CITY DOES NOT CURRENTLY HAVE ZONING REQUIREMENTS OF DEFINITIONS THAT ACCOMMODATE FAIRGROUNDS OR SIMILAR LARGE SEASONAL EVENT SPACES.
NOW, BUT JUST TO GET OFF THAT FIRST POINT THOUGH, KEVIN, IF, IF SOMEBODY RUNS THAT SPACE AND THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THE SPACE COAST STATE FAIR, AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THE STRAWBERRY FESTIVAL AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA HAVE ANOTHER EVENT, COULD THEY, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE RENTING IT, THEY CAN JUST APPLY FOR THAT PERMIT THREE TIMES AND THAT'LL SUFFICE WHAT OUR GENERAL NEED IS.
WELL, AS, AS IT RELATES TO THIS SITE, I THINK WHAT THE CITY ATTORNEY WAS SAYING IS THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS WHETHER THE FREQUENCY PROVISION IN CODE THAT IS APPLIED TO EL CHICO'S OR THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES PUTTING A BANNER UP.
IS THAT, UH, FREQUENCY RELEVANT TO THIS PARTICULAR SITE? AND IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY WE WON'T APPLY IT LIKE WE DO SIMILAR TO WICKHAM PARK.
YOU KNOW, WICKHAM PARK HAS THE ABILITY TO HAVE MULTIPLE EVENTS OUT THERE BECAUSE AS THE CITY ATTORNEY SAID, YOU HAVE THAT INFRASTRUCTURE AND IT'S DESIGNATED AS A PARK.
THIS SITE IS JUST A GRASSY FIELD, SO IT'S NOT WICKHAM PARK AS, AS YOU ALL KNOW.
AND SO WE'VE APPLIED THAT INTERPRETATION TO SAY, YOU KNOW, UM, AND, AND ONE, ONE THING I JUST WANT TO ADD, I I THINK IT'S BEEN STATED ALREADY, IS THE, THE SPECIAL ACTIVITY CODE SPECIFICALLY SAYS WHAT WAIVERS TO THE CODE, THE SPECIAL ACTIVITY CODE CAN GRANT.
BLOCKING A ROADWAY, PLACING A TEMPORARY STRUCTURE, THINGS LIKE THAT.
IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT UP TO THE LINE WHERE IT WOULD REQUIRE SOME OTHER REGULATORY PROCESS.
LIKE, UM, A BUILDING PERMIT, A SPECIAL ACTIVITY CODE IS NOT THE VEHICLE TO SURPASS THAT.
WE, WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, I, I'VE TRIED TO USE THE ANALOGY OF A PRIVATE PROPERTY.
UM, YOU'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH, UH, THE CHRISTMAS TREE LOTS THAT COME IN FROM OUT OF TOWN AND THEY USE VACANT PARCELS.
IT'S, IT'S LIKE AS IF SOMEONE CAME IN AND SAID, I'M GONNA BUILD A CHRISTMAS TREE BUSINESS, A BRICK AND MORTAR BUSINESS TEMPORARILY JUST FOR THE NEXT YEAR.
THERE'S CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT.
THERE'S BATHROOMS, THERE'S PARKING LOTS, RIGHT? THE SPECIAL ACTIVITY CODE IS THERE FOR THEM TO COME FROM NORTH CAROLINA, SET UP A TENT, PUT THEIR CHRISTMAS TREES OUT, SELL 'EM AND LEAVE, AND THEN THE SITE IS RETURNED TO THE EXACT CONDITION THEY FOUND AT THE DAY THEY PERMITTED.
THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE WITH THIS EVENT IN THAT IT WAS A TEMPORARILY PERMANENT EVENT WHERE THE SITE WAS INTENDED TO STAY THAT WAY FOR THE LENGTH OF THE LEASE.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE GET INTO THE BUILDING PERMITS.
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OKAY.IF I CAN GO BACK TO, UM, THE NOTES THAT COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH WAS REFERRING TO, RIGHT? I STILL, I STILL THINK WE'RE CONFLATING, UH, DISCUSSION OF THE SPECIAL ACTIVITY PERMITTING VERSUS ZONING APPROVALS.
IF, IF THERE IS A NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT INTERPRETATIONS OR WHAT CODE LANGUAGE WE NEED TO ADD TO EXPAND ON OUTDOOR RECREATION AND, UH, FAIRGROUNDS AND, AND, AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS AS A PERMANENT USE, RIGHT? THAT'S A VERY DIFFERENT CONVERSATION THAN, THAN THIS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO ZONING CA CATEGORY HERE.
AND SO THERE'S NO APPROVAL PROCESS FOR, FOR A YEAR, RIGHT.
IF, IF, IF, AGAIN, THE GOAL IS ALLOW, ALLOW A MORE REGULAR USE FOR A YEAR WITHOUT GOING THROUGH ZONING APPROVALS OR, OR CHANGING THE WAY THAT THOSE ZONING APP, THOSE APPROVALS OCCUR, THAT'S A, THAT'S A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION THAN MODIFY THE ZONING CODE TO MORE SPECIFICALLY DESCRIBE A, A PERMANENT AND REGULAR USE.
AND AS PART OF THE LAND ACQUISITION, THAT IS ONE OF THE BULLET POINTS THAT STAFF WAS TASKED WITH WAS STUDYING THE PROPER ZONING POSSIBILITIES FOR THE PROPERTY AND LOOKING AT DO COULD, SHOULD WE MAKE A FAIRGROUND USE, WHAT WOULD THE CRITERIA FOR A FAIRGROUND BE? MEANING THAT IN THE LAST DISCUSSION AT COUNCIL, WHEN I SAY THE LAST, THE, THE MAIN DISCUSSION AT COUNCIL, IT WAS THE, WE JUST WANNA GRASP FIELD, THEY CAN BRING THE PORTLETS IN FOR IT.
WELL, WE DON'T HAVE THAT ABILITY IN CODE RIGHT NOW IF IT WERE TO BECOME A PERMANENT.
SO WE WOULD NEED TO AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE LOOKING FOR DIRECTION AND WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT A TEMPORARY, ARE WE LOOKING AT THE TEMPORARY EXTENSION FOR THE SPECIAL ACTIVITY PERMIT OR LIKE LOOKING AT MAYBE COUNTY OWNED PROPERTIES OR CERTAIN PROPERTIES, OR ARE WE LOOKING AT CITY CODE AND WHAT WOULD HAVE TO BE CHANGED TO HAVE A FAIRGROUND TYPE FACILITY LAND USE? AND SO RIGHT NOW, LIKE STAFF JUST ISN'T SURE WHAT DIRECTION YOU WANT US TO GO.
AND, AND I JUST THINK IT'S EARLY 'CAUSE THERE'S ONLY ONE PROPERTY I COULD THINK OF.
I THINK ONCE WE SOLVE THE PROPERTY ISSUE IS WHEN I WOULD BE GOING FORWARD TOWARDS THAT.
'CAUSE IF THERE'S ONLY ONE, THEN YOU'RE MAKING A, A SPECIFIC USE FOR ONE PROPERTY IS HOW I'M SEEING IT.
AS OPPOSED TO IF WE'RE LIKE, OH, THERE'S A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT PROPERTIES FOR THIS MAYBE, BUT I FEEL LIKE I'VE MONOPOLIZED, I DON'T KNOW IF DELAYS OVER HERE.
I JUST THINK THAT WE NEED TO WAIT TO SEE WHAT WITH THE COUNTY WE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO, TO AUGUST 6TH TILL THIS CONTRACT RUNS OUT THE OPPORTUNITY AT THAT TIME.
SO I THINK WE WERE JUMPING THE GUN HERE AT THIS POINT IN TIME COUNTY MIGHT TURN AROUND AND SAY, WE'RE NOT SELLING, OR THE, YOU KNOW, AT ALL, WE'RE NOT, WE NEED TO USE THIS PROPERTY FOR SOMETHING ELSE.
SO WE'VE WASTED, UM, I SHOULDN'T SAY WASTED.
WE USED, WE, UH, USED A LOT OF STAFF TIME THAT COULD BE USED IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION AND MONEY.
SO THAT'S MY, MY THING IS THAT, LET'S HOLD OFF, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HOLD OFF THIS LONG, A COUPLE MORE WEEKS WON'T HURT US.
AND YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE NOT GONNA JUMP IN THERE, WE DON'T HAVE, THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ANYBODY ELSE SEEMING TO JUMP IN THERE THAT WANT TO USE THIS PROPERTY ANY, ANYTIME SOON.
ESPECIALLY IN THIS HEAT OUT THERE.
NOBODY WANTS TO GO OUT THERE AND LET YOU KNOW.
I, I FELT SORRY FOR THOSE LITTLE BOYS OUT THERE PLAYING BASEBALL THIS PA I'M LIKE, OH, GOOD LUCK, BABY.
UM, SO I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S GONNA JUMP IN THERE AND USE IT ANYTIME IN THE NEXT TWO OR THREE MONTHS WITH THE HEAT THAT WE AT A HUNDRED DEGREE TEMPERATURE.
ON THAT, RACHEL, ANYTHING BEFORE WE YES, I JUST WANT, IT'S NOT OUR LAND DELEGATE.
I AGREE WITH THAT, BUT ROLL BACK.
YEAH, NO, AND THIS IS MY FINAL POINT.
SO LOOKING AT THAT, THAT MEMO FROM THE JULY 8TH MEETING, WHICH WAS UPDATE ON ACQUISITION OF THE COUNTY PARCEL SALE FOR FAIRGROUNDS AND FIRE TRAINING FACILITY.
I ALSO THINK THAT BEING IN THAT POINT, UH, WAS POINT NUMBER FIVE, WHICH IS STUDY PROPER ZONING POSSIBILITIES FOR THE PROPERTY.
I THINK THAT, UH, FOR, FOR STAFF OF BEING, BEING PROACTIVE, I THINK THIS HELPS US TO GO FORWARD TO THE COUNTY TO, TO SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY ARE, WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER HAVING A FIRE TRAINING FA UH, FIRE TRAINING FACILITY AND OTHER USES.
BECAUSE CURRENTLY WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT CAN HELP US TO MEET THE, UM, YOU KNOW, A USE LIKE THIS OR TO FIT THAT PUZZLE PIECE THAT THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, YOU KNOW, COULD USE AND THE COUNTY COULD USE.
UH, IT SEEMS THAT AT LEAST JUST FROM MOVING THE DISCUSSION ALONG, EVEN, EVEN IF YOU FLIPPED ME ON IT, YOU STILL, YOU STILL GOT TWO THAT ARE NOT, WE'RE NOT READY TO GO RIGHT NOW MM-HMM
SO MAYBE SOMETIME IN AUGUST OR SEPTEMBER IF YOU WANNA REVISIT DEPENDING ON WHAT WE HEAR.
IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE IT'S A, JUST
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LIKE A NOT NOW.THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT IT SEEMS LIKE THE ANSWER IS NOT RIGHT NOW.
I THINK EVERYONE'S, I WAS JUST AGREEING.
UH, WE'VE GOT MOST OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED FOR TONIGHT AND GO TO THE NEXT ITEM.
ALRIGHT, MOVING TO ITEM NUMBER 23.
VICE MAYOR, I JUST WANT TO ASK IF IT'S COUNCIL'S DESIRE TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION SINCE YOU HAVE TWO MISSING COUNCIL MEMBERS, OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO POSTPONE THIS OR, I'M HAPPY TO REPORT ON IT IF YOU'D LIKE.
HOW, IS IT, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, WE WOULD'VE TO GO TO ANOTHER MEETING FOR APPROVAL ANYWAY.
OR WOULD HAPPEN TODAY? 'CAUSE IF THERE, IF THERE'S A FINAL ACTION TODAY, THEN MAYBE WE'D WAIT.
BUT IF IT'S JUST DISCUSSION, THEN YEAH.
NOT NECESSARILY THE, SO I'LL, I'LL GO AHEAD AND GIVE THE BRIEF REPORT OF IT.
SO SECTION TWO DASH, UH, 23 OF CITY CODE, UM, INSTRUCTS US THAT THE SALARY OF THE MARIN CITY COUNCIL IS DETERMINED BY A COMPUTATION OF AN AVERAGE OF 10 LIKE CITIES.
UH, WHICH, UH, THE HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT, UM, PUT TOGETHER FOR YOU IN THE AGENDA PACKAGE.
WE'RE TOLD TO REVIEW THAT EVERY FIVE YEARS.
AND SO THE LAST TIME THAT WAS DONE WAS 2020.
SO THIS IS THE FIVE YEAR TIME PERIOD.
AND SO THAT INFORMATION IS AT YOUR FINGERTIPS AND SHOULD YOU CHOOSE TO MAKE ANY, UM, ADJUSTMENTS, THE ACTUAL SALARY OF MAYOR AND COUNCIL IS NOT LISTED IN CODE.
SO IT WOULDN'T REQUIRE AN ORDINANCE.
BUT IF YOU DID AMEND ANY PORTION OF THE, WHAT WE CALL THE TRAVEL ALLOWANCE, THAT IS ACTUALLY IN THE CODE.
SO WE WOULD, WE WOULD COME BACK WITH AN ORDINANCE FOR THAT.
BUT, UM, IT'S ULTIMATELY UP TO YOU ALL IN 2020.
UM, THIS SAME INFORMATION WAS PROVIDED TO COUNCIL AND THE DECISION WAS MADE, UH, TO JUST MAKE NO CHANGES AND SEE YOU AGAIN IN FIVE YEARS.
SO IT'S ENTIRELY UP TO YOU HOW YOU WANT TO INTERPRET THE DATA THAT'S BEFORE YOU AND HOW YOU CHOOSE TO SET THE SALARY OF THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL, WHICH I'LL JUST POINT OUT IF WAS, IF IT WERE CHANGED TONIGHT WOULD BE EFFECTIVE AT THE NEXT REGULAR ELECTION.
SO WHILE LOOKING AT THE CITY CHARTER, UM, WHICH WAS VOTED ON BY THE RESIDENTS, OUR, OUR SALARY IS DETERMINED BY THE AVERAGE SALARY OF THE POSITIONS DERIVED FROM AT LEAST 10 CITIES WITH THE POPULATION SIMILAR.
SO I'M ASSUMING THE POPULATION SIMILAR IS WHAT YOU GAVE US.
DO YOU HAVE WHAT THE AVERAGE MAYOR AND COUNCIL AVERAGE WOULD BE IF THAT WAS DONE? BECAUSE WE, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO REALLY GO OFF OF FROM THE SIDE REPORT JUST OTHER THAN HERE'S SOME INFORMATION BECAUSE I DON'T THINK I'M A LOT, LET'S JUST SAY SOMEONE SAID, LET'S RAISE IT BY A HUNDRED DOLLARS.
BASED ON WHAT THE THING IS, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S EITHER AVERAGE OR NOT, RIGHT? YEAH, NO.
SO, UH, THERE'S NOT A COMPUTATION IN THERE OF HERE'S THE ANNUAL SALARY AVERAGE PLUS THE CERTAIN BENEFITS THAT CERTAIN CITIES GIVE TO THEIR MARYLAND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S A $600 TRAVEL ALLOWANCE FOR THIS PERSON OR, UM, UH, UH, AN EXPENSE ACCOUNT FOR THIS MAYOR.
SO THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY PROVIDED IN THE PACKAGE.
WHAT'S PROVIDED IS JUST THE REACHING OUT TO THE 10 OTHER CITIES OF SIMILAR POPULATION TO SAY, WHAT IS YOUR SALARY? WHAT BENEFITS DO YOU GIVE THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS? AND THEN TO, UH, HISTORICALLY GIVE THAT INFORMATION TO YOU ALL TO SAY, WHERE DOES MELBOURNE FIT INTO THAT? OKAY.
BUT WE COULD CERTAINLY COME BACK WITH SOME COMPUTATION OF ALL OF THOSE NUMBERS FROM AN ANNUAL SALARY PERSPECTIVE PLUS, YOU KNOW, THE EXPENSE ACCOUNTS AND THE TRAVEL ALLOWANCES AND THINGS, AND GIVE YOU A ROUGH IDEA OF WHAT THAT AVERAGE LOOKS LIKE TO US.
AND I ALSO ONLY LOOK AT THE SALARY JUST 'CAUSE I'M, I'M BEING VERY RIGID ON JUST THE CODE PIECE.
I GUESS THERE'S EXPENSE ALLOWANCE AT THE FEE PORTION, BUT WHEN I LOOKED AT, WHEN I PUT EVERYTHING INTO EXCEL, IT LOOKED LIKE WE'RE RANKED 12 OUT OF 13 CITIES OF SIMILAR SIZE IN WHAT THE SALARY IS.
AND WHEN I AVERAGED IT OUT, IT WOULD BRING US UP TO SEVEN, WHICH I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH BEING AVERAGE.
UH, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S THE AVERAGE, WHAT'S THE DOLLAR AMOUNT FOR THAT AVERAGE? IS THAT OKAY? BEING AVERAGE
SO LISTEN, I KNOW IT'S LATE, BUT WE'RE NOT PUNCH DRUNK YET.
UM, BUT THAT BEING SAID, THAT'S AT LEAST WHERE I DON'T SEE AN ISSUE WITH IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF COUNCIL WANTS US TO BRING IT.
SO VICEMAN, WHAT'S THE DOLLAR AMOUNT FOR? DID I MISS THAT SOMEWHERE? WHAT'S THE DOLLAR AMOUNT FOR AVERAGE? YOU KNOW? BUT I'M LOOKING AT, 'CAUSE I'M LOOKING AT SOME OF THESE CITIES AND I FLY, AND THAT'S WHY I'M LOOKING AT LAKELAND.
LAKELAND WOULD BE PROBABLY A PRO, I CAN'T BELIEVE HOW MUCH LAKELAND THE MAYOR MAKES AND THE CITY COUNCIL MAKES.
AND I WOULD SAY THEY WERE PROBABLY PRETTY CLOSE TO OUR CITY BECAUSE THEY HAVE A, A MAJOR AIR LAKELAND IS A MAJOR AIRPORT.
THEY'VE HAD A MAJOR GROWTH AREAS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO I'M LOOKING AT LAKELAND NUMBERS
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AND I'M LIKE, WOW.I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY COUNCIL MEMBERS THEY HAVE, BECAUSE SOME OF THEM ONLY HAVE FIVE.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT DOES MAKE SOMEWHAT OF A DIFFERENCE.
YEAH, DO, BUT THAT ONE WAS, THERE'S CERTAIN ONES THAT JUST KIND OF, WHOA.
YEAH, 53 FOR SUNRISE, 50 FOR DAYTONA BEACH.
I MEAN, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT I'M LOOKING AT.
SINCE WE HAVE, I MEAN, PALM BAY IS A DIFFERENT, TO ME, THAT'S A BEDROOM COMMUNITY.
THEY DON'T, THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE THE WATER SYSTEM LIKE WE DO.
THEY DON'T HAVE THE SEWER SYSTEM LIKE WE DO.
THEY DON'T HAVE THE AIRPORT OR THE MAJOR, MAJOR, UM, INDUSTRIES.
PALM BAY IS A BEDROOM COMMUNITY.
AND LOOK AT WHAT THEY'RE MAKING.
UM, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY JUST, THEY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF MONEY.
I KNOW, BUT THEY'RE MAKING PRETTY GOOD MONEY.
AND I'M JUST THE AVERAGE AND I'M LOOKING AT POMPANO BEACH.
THEY DON'T, THEY'RE NOT THAT BIG AND I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE MAKING THOSE KIND OF, OF COURSE IT'S A HIGHER INCOME AREA.
BUT YEAH, I MEAN, AND THE AVERAGE THAT I FOUND, IT WAS ROUGHLY 35 FOR MAYOR, 25 FOR COUNCIL.
BUT MR. LUSO, YOU HAD THE NEXT COMMENT.
UM, WHATEVER Y'ALL DO, I'LL NEVER SEE A DIME OF IT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T GO INTO EFFECT UNTIL, UH, NOVEMBER, 2026.
YOU CAN ALWAYS RUN AGAIN, MIKE.
SO, NO, I CAN'T
BUT THANK YOU FOR, FOR YOUR, BUT I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE NO, I'M JUST LOOKING AT WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT BEDROOM COMMUNITIES.
AND, AND I'VE BEEN THROUGH, GEEZ, SAME, YOU'VE HAD SAME CASE, FIVE OR SIX OF THESE CONVERSATIONS OVER THE YEARS.
AND IT ALWAYS COMES BACK TO ONE PERSON SAYS THERE'S TOO MUCH MONEY.
ANOTHER PERSON SAYS, NO, WE DON'T DO IT FOR A SALARY.
AND THEN KEEPING IN MIND, AIRPORT AUTHORITY GETS NOTHING.
SO, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AIRPORT IN LAKELAND.
WELL, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S, AND IT'S A GOOD POINT.
YOU KNOW, WE STILL HAVE TO DO DEAL WITH THIS.
WE DECIDE TO DO AT THE AIRPORT, WE DECIDE TO, UH, TO VOLUNTEER OUR TIME AND OUR EFFORTS.
BUT NOW THE CITY IS AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT ISSUE NOW, BUT IT'S ALL WOUND UP.
AND I WISH I WAS MAKING MORE MONEY 10 YEARS AGO ON, OR WHATEVER IT WAS.
UM, BECAUSE THEN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE I'D BE ABLE TO GO OUT TO DINNER MORE OFTEN, WHO KNOWS.
BUT HOWEVER, THAT BEING SAID, WHATEVER YOU GUYS DO, BUT I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, THE CONSENSUS IS I WILL, UH, UH, I'LL, I'LL GO ALONG WITH WHATEVER YOU GUYS DECIDE.
I MEAN, I, I'M JUST LOOKING AT IT IS THE CITY, LIKE SOME OF THESE CITIES, THEY DON'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE DO.
I SWEAR TO GOD, THERE'S NOT, I, THE BIG THING THAT I ALWAYS SAY, THERE'S NOT ONE TIME I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE WATER ISSUE, WATER COMING IN, WATER GOING OUT, WATER BEING DISPLACED SOMEWHERE.
SO IN SOME OF THESE OTHER AREAS, THEY DON'T HAVE ALL THAT WATER SYSTEMS. LIKE I'M GONNA USE LIKE TITUSVILLE, THEY DON'T OWN THEIR OWN WATER SYSTEM.
THEY, THEY CONTRACT OUT FROM, UM, COCO, COCO, I KNOW THAT WEST MELBOURNE, THEY GETS ABOUT THE SAME PAY AS WE DO THAT.
I WAS REALLY SHOCKED ABOUT THAT.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M LOOKING AT SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE HAVE A LOT MORE INFRASTRUCTURE THINGS THAT WE TAKE CARE OF, AND WE DON'T, WE TAKE CARE OF NOT ONLY OUR CITY, BUT OTHER CITIES, RIGHT? MM-HMM
SO THAT, THAT WAS A REAL SHOCK WHEN I'M LOOKING AT SOME OF THESE OTHER CITIES THAT DON'T HAVE THAT AND THEY HAVE SUCH A HIGH PAY, IT WAS LIKE, WOW, I DO WISH THAT WE HAVE A, LIKE ANY OTHER EMPLOYEE, WE HAVE A COST OF LIVING.
IF WE PUT IT IN HERE, IF IT'S 3%, 1%, WE GET THAT.
AND I, I DON'T KNOW, AND I'M LOOKING BACK AT READING IT, WHETHER WE HA THAT HAS TO BE A VOTED ON BY THE, THE CITIZENS OR WHETHER WE CAN HAVE A PUT THAT WITH US.
I MEAN, UP HERE ON THE DIETS, THAT'S THE ONE, YOU KNOW, THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO COME BACK LIKE THIS ALL THE TIME.
BECAUSE I, LOOKING BACK, I THINK IT WAS IN 2020 10, IF I'M LOOKING AT IT, IT WENT FRONT OF THE, UH, NO, IT'S LIKE 2005 OR 2001, SOMEWHERE IN THERE.
IT WAS SOMEWHERE IN THERE THAT I, I MIGHT HAVE MY DATE, BUT IT WENT UP.
THEY WENT UP TO GO IN FRONT OF THE CITIZENS AND THEY DID VOTE IT DOWN.
BUT DO WE HAVE TO DO THAT SAYING THAT, UM, WE WE'RE LIKE ANY OTHER EMPLOYEE, WE WOULD GET 2% OR 3% RAISE LIKE THE OTHER, THE OTHER EMPLOYEES? OR DO WE HAVE TO GO, UM, BE VOTED ON? UM, DOES ANYBODY KNOW THAT QUESTION, ADAM? WOULD YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE CHARTER? UH, I WOULD JUST, I WOULD REFER TO THE CHARTER LANGUAGE, RIGHT? CHARTER LANGUAGE IS REFERRING TO THAT FIVE YEAR REVIEW PROCESS AND, AND TRYING TO SEEK THE AVERAGE.
IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL'S PLEASURE.
NO, I'M JUST, I'M JUST SAYING THAT RATHER, YOU KNOW, TO KEEP UP WITH, RATHER THAN HAVING TO GO THROUGH AFTER FIVE YEARS THAT WE KEEP UP WITH.
AND, AND I THINK THE COST OF LIVING WOULD BE GREAT.
I, I, THE WAY I'M LOOKING AT THE CHARTER, IT SHALL BE AN, UH, SHALL BE DETERMINED BY A COMPUTATION OF THE AVERAGE.
UH, MY UNDERSTANDING LEGALESE IS THAT SHALL MEANS MUST.
UH, AND SO BECAUSE OF THAT, WE, WE HAVE TO BE, YOU'VE
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ONLY GOT THE AVERAGE.AND THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF IT.
AND I THINK THE ASSUMPTION WAS THAT IT WOULD JUST CONTINUE ON WITH THAT OVER TIME.
BUT MS. BASSETT, I KNOW THAT YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP.
UM, I, I, FOR THE COST OF LIVING, LIKE, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING'S GONE UP.
SO MORE MONEY WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.
BUT MY CONCERN IS, UM, CAN WE AFFORD THIS
BUT WHATEVER AMOUNT YOU INCREASE, WE WILL HAVE TO FACTOR INTO THE 27 BUDGET.
OKAY? BUT WE CAN GO BACK FOR ANY REASON AND SAY WE DON'T WANNA GO THAT WE WANNA LOWER OUR, OUR PAY ANYTIME AND THAT OR NOT.
WELL, THAT'S WHERE I HAVE AN ISSUE KIND OF WITH THE TIMELINE.
'CAUSE MY UNDERS LIKE, THEY, THEY ADJUSTED IT BY A THOUSAND DOLLARS AT ONE POINT.
AND TO ME, WHEN YOU READ THE CODE, OR I'M SORRY, THE CHARTER WHICH WAS VOTED ON BY THE PEOPLE WAS IT'S THE AVERAGE.
IT JUST, I THINK THAT, I THINK THE IDEA WAS YOU, YOU JUST GET THE AVERAGE AND IT'S ALL THESE CITIES AND WE DON'T HAVE A CHOICE ON IT.
IT'S JUST KEEPING EVERYTHING OUT OF OUR HANDS.
AND OBVIOUSLY THAT DIDN'T OCCUR
I MEAN, I'M JUST, I DON'T WANNA GO IN THERE WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME OF THESE THINGS AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT 56.
IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE $56,000.
I MEAN, ALL OF US WOULD BE LIKE, WOO-HOO.
BUT I DON'T THINK WE'RE THAT KIND OF A CITY THAT WE'RE A LITTLE MORE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE THAN.
AND IF, AND IF YOU DO IT, IT'S 35, 25, UH, 35 FOR MAYOR, 25 FOR COUNCIL.
'CAUSE THIS IS SIMILAR TO SOME OTHER, UH, TOPICS IN, IN THE CITY WHERE THERE'S A CHARTER PROVISION AND THEN CODE LANGUAGE THAT SUPPLEMENTS IT.
SO THE CHARTER SPECIFICALLY SAYS THAT THE SALARY SHALL BE ESTABLISHED BY ORDINANCE AND BE COM COMPATIBLE WITH SALARIES PORTRAYED BY THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES.
NOW, OF CITIES OF COMPARABLE SIZE AND FORM OF GOVERNMENT.
THE CITY CODE LANGUAGE THAT SUPPLEMENTS THAT IS WHERE YOU GET THE COMPUTATION OF AN AVERAGE OF THESE NUMBERS.
SO JUST WANT TO DIFFERENTIATE WHAT THE CHARTER ACTUALLY SAYS VERSUS WHAT THE CODE SAYS TO SUPPLEMENT THE LANGUAGE IN THE CHARTER.
BUT TO MS. HANLEY'S POINT, THE INTERPRETATION IN, UM, 2010 WAS IF WE WANT TO DO THIS COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT, UM, I ASSUME THERE MUST HAVE BEEN MAYBE A, A CITY ATTORNEY MEMO OR SOMETHING GUIDING US ON THAT AT THE TIME.
UH, THAT, THAT WOULD NEED TO BE A REFERENDUM, WHICH NEEDS TO BE VOTED ON FIRST BY THE COUNCIL.
AND THAT ORDINANCE TO DO SO WAS DENIED BY THE COUNCIL AT THE TIME, SO IT NEVER WENT TO THE BALLOT.
WHICH YOU WOULD'VE REMEMBERED.
SO, SO THANK YOU, UH, KEVIN FOR THAT.
SO, UH, VICE MAYOR, I, I LIKE THE WAY THAT YOU STATED SO RIGHT NOW, BUT CURRENTLY SAYS EVERY FIVE YEARS, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO GO REFERENDUM AND ALL THAT.
I, I THINK THAT IS FINE FOR THE, FOR WHAT'S EXPECTED OF US SURE.
AS ELECTED, UH, OFFICIALS FOR THE CITY OF MELBOURNE.
THE COMPUTATION SAYS AVERAGE, UH, AND IT'S DONE AT EVERY FIVE YEARS.
AND RIGHT NOW WE ARE NOT ON THAT, ON THAT LINE.
SO, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE HAVE TO SAY TONIGHT OR WHAT'S NEEDED FROM US TONIGHT.
BUT THAT WOULD BE MY, UH, SIR, JUST REAL BRIEFLY, I SAID I'LL GO ALONG WITH ANYTHING THAT YOU GUYS WANNA DO BECAUSE OF, UH, 'CAUSE OF IT'LL BE AFTER MY TIME.
UH, BUT I WILL TELL YOU, I'M NOT UP HERE FOR THE MONEY.
NEVER HAVE BEEN, NEVER WILL BE.
NOBODY WAS EVER UP HERE FOR THE MONEY.
WE'VE MADE A COUPLE OF SUGGESTIONS.
COUPLE GRAND HERE, YOU KNOW, COST OF LIVING THERE.
BUT TO JUMP FROM 7,000 OR 7,500 TO 25,000 A YEAR WOULD BE, THAT'S EXTREME FOR ME.
THIS IS A, A REALLY, TRULY, IT'S MORE OF A, OF A, OF A VOLUNTEER POSITION.
THE, THE GIVING BACK OF OUR CITY.
I MEAN, PARTICIPATING IN IT, I DON'T KNOW, YOU COULD PUT A DOLLAR VALUE ON IT, BUT I MEAN, IN MY HEART I CAN'T.
BUT YOU CAN ON PAPER AND YOU GUYS ARE GONNA HAVE TO LIVE WITH IT, NOT ME.
SO, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE RUNNING FOR REELECTION.
YOU'RE GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA GET HI, OH, YOU'RE GIVING YOURSELF A SALARY RAISE UP TO 25,000.
TALK YOUR WAY OUT OF THAT ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL.
I'M TRYING TO, IF YOU GET IN LINE WITH THESE OTHER CITIES, IT BASICALLY PROFESSIONALIZES US TO WHERE ALL THE OTHER CITIES ARE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY GOT TO 50,000 FOR LAKELAND OR 53 FOR THESE OTHER PLACES.
AND SO I KNOW THERE'S THE INTENT ON RIGHT.
I JUST, UH, THE REASON WHY I'M GOING WITH AVERAGE IS BECAUSE IT'S NON-BIASED.
VOTED ON BY THE PEOPLE IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
THAT'S AT LEAST HOW I READ THE 2000 PART OF THE TIMELINE MM-HMM
AND SO I THOUGHT THAT THAT'S, IT KEEPS US OUT OF IT.
YOU'LL BE INTUIT UP YOUR HIPS.
I MEAN, YOU, YOU, YOU START GOING DOWN THIS PATH.
I, I, I PROMISE YOU BEEN THERE, DONE THAT KIND OF STUFF.
BUT I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOU SHOULDN'T BE PAID 25,000, BUT I WOULD NEVER,
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I I DON'T THINK I COULD AGREE WITH THAT ONE.I MEAN, I COULD GO ALONG WITH THAT.
WELL, BUT THEN WE, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF WE COULD DO THIS COST OF, I MEAN, I THINK MS. HANLEY IS HITTING THE BULLSEYE WITH THE COST OF LIVING PIECE.
'CAUSE THEN AGAIN, IT, IT KEEPS IT IN A TANDEM, WHICH I THINK IS THE IDEA HERE.
BUT I DON'T THINK WE COULD DO THAT WITHOUT THE VOTERS AT WHAT POINT.
SO, BUT WE CAN'T, WE, LIKE, WE HAVEN'T HAD A, THEY HAVEN'T HAD A RAISE IN 20 YEARS.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT, I'M GOING TO, I THINK WEST MELBOURNE, 'CAUSE I'VE TALKED TO SOME OF THEM OVER THERE THAT THEY'RE MAKING THE SAME AS WHAT WE ARE MAKING AND THEY DON'T HAVE NEAR THE RESPONSIBILITY THAT WE HAVE.
SO WE'RE REALLY NOT EVEN IN LINE I AND OCALA, THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT BALL.
I I'M SURPRISED THAT THEY HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT OCALA HAS.
UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF IN A, I KNOW THAT PALM BAY DID, UM, A COUPLE YEARS AGO, THEY, THEY INCREASED THEIR PAY, BUT THEY CAME UP WITH A FORMULA HOW THEY CAME.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT? WELL, I'M ASKING, UM, JOAN.
JOAN, DO YOU REMEMBER HOW THEY CAME UP WITH THEIR, THEIR, THEY CAME UP WITH A OVER BASED ON THE CITIZENS.
THEY DID, UM, IN, THEY DID INCREASE THE COUNCIL SALARIES AND THEY ALSO INCLUDED A PROVISION, AND IT WAS BASED ON CPI, BUT THEY ALSO INCLUDED A PROVISION THAT IF STAFF GOT A COST OF LIVING INCREASE, THE COUNCIL WOULD AS WELL.
BUT DIDN'T THEY BASE IT ON THE POPULA? THEY BASED IT ON SOMETHING WHAT THE POPULATION THAT I'D RATHER SEE, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW THEY DID IT, BUT I HEARD THAT THEY BASED IT ON THE POPULATION.
AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE A, A BETTER, UM, BAROMETER IF WE'RE SITTING AT 80, 84, 80 9,000 PEOPLE AND LET'S SAY WE, IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS, WE GO UP TO 20,000.
WE'VE GOT DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT THINGS GOING ON.
AND IT WOULD BE BASED ON, BASED ON THAT'S HOW THEY DID THEIR POPULATION.
THEY USE THE, THAT BENCHMARK AND THAT'S HOW THEY FIGURED IT UP.
I THINK THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD THING TO USE IS BASED ON WHATEVER.
I DON'T, I KNOW THEY USED A, UM, FIGURE BASED ON THE POPULATION AT, AT THAT TIME.
UM, UH, SIR, ONE LAST THING FOR ME IS THAT, UM, I JUST WANNA REMIND EVERYBODY THAT WE ARE THE EPICENTER OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OF MELBOURNE.
THE EPICENTER OF CULTURE AND ARTS.
UH, THE EPICENTER WE'RE THE, WE'RE THE SECOND SPACE CENTER BASICALLY.
DEFENSE, AEROSPACE, EVERYTHING.
AND WE DID ALL THIS OVER THESE YEARS FOR ONLY $7,400 A YEAR.
SO IT DOESN'T MAKE ME LESS, THE LIVING WAS LEASE LESS.
IT DOESN'T MAKE ME ANY LESS OR MORE, UM, UH, RESOURCEFUL OR, OR, OR PRODUCTIVE.
IT JUST MEANS ANOTHER COUPLE OF BUCKS IN MY POCKET.
AND DOES THAT REALLY MEAN ANYTHING TO ME? I MEAN, YEAH, IT DOES.
I I I, I ASK MYSELF, DOES IT MEAN ANYTHING TO ME? AND SO I THINK YOU'VE GOT THAT ANSWER RIGHT NOW.
WE SUCCEEDED MY WIFE AND I BOTH, AND I DON'T SEE ME HAVING, ASKING FOR $25,000 ANY OF US ARE ASKING FOR.
SHE'S NOT ASKING THAT ONE'S ASKING FOR THAT.
I'M NOT ASKING FOR THE 25,000 I'M, I WANT TO USE, THERE WAS SOME OTHER BASIS BASED ON THE POPULATION THAT WE HAVE.
SO IT'S NOT, IT'S AN EQUATION, BASICALLY.
SO CAN WE GIVE ADAM DIRECTION, HELP US FIND WHAT WE ARE ALLOWED TO DO AND NOT ALLOWED TO DO? 'CAUSE IT SEEMS YOU SAID BASED ON HOW THINK KEVIN JUST TOLD US IT'S WELL, WELL NO.
'CAUSE IT SEEMS THAT MY, I IT SEEMS THERE'S CONFUSION ON WHETHER OR NOT THE AVERAGE IS WHAT WE'RE STUCK WITH OR IF YOU CAN MOVE AROUND WITH IT.
AND THAT'S WHAT SEEMS TO BE THE CHANGE.
WHAT WOULD REQUIRE REFERENDUM CHANGE.
SO AGAIN, THE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD REQUIRE A REFERENDUM CHANGE.
THE, THE CODE, THE CHARTER LANGUAGE IN 2.05 OF THE CHARTER, AND I THINK KEVIN, KEVIN READ IT TO YOU.
BUT WE CAN, WE CAN, WE CAN READ IT AGAIN.
GENERALLY SAYS, THE SALARY OF COUNCIL MEMBERS SHALL BE ESTABLISHED BY ORDINANCE AND BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE SALARIES AS PORTRAYED BY THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF MUNICIPALITIES.
FOR CITIES OF COMPARABLE SIZE AND FORM OF GOVERNMENT.
NO INCREASE IN SHALL BECOME EFFECTIVE UNTIL THE COMMENCEMENT OF TERMS OF THE MEMBERS ELECTED AT THE NEXT REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING.
THE COUNCIL MAY PROVIDE, UM, THAT MEMBERS SHALL RECEIVE THEIR, UM, ACTUAL AND NECESSARY EXPENSES INCURRED IN PERFORMANCE OF THEIR DUTIES.
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SALARY OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THE EXPENSE THINGS HAVE TO BE ESTABLISHED BY ORDINANCE.AND, UH, MOST RECENTLY IN 2005, THAT ORDINANCE EXISTS, RIGHT? IT'S SECTION TWO DASH 23 AND IT SAYS SUBSECTION A, THE ANNUAL SALARY OF, OF THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS SHALL BE DETERMINED BY COMPUTATION OF THE AVERAGE SALARY OF LIKE, POSITIONS DERIVED FROM AT LEAST 10 CITIES WITHIN THE STATE THAT HAVE A SIMILAR, SIMILAR POPULATION AND FORM OF GOVERNMENT.
THE SALARY SHALL BE FIXED BY VOTE OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND SHALL BE REVIEWED, UM, UH, THROUGH UPDATED SURVEY INFORMATION EVERY FIVE YEARS.
SO AGAIN, THE CHARTER SAYS, USE SIMILAR POPULATION AND FORM OF GOVERNMENT AND IT, AND THEN ESTABLISH BASED ON THAT DATA, ESTABLISH A A METHODOLOGY OF SALARY BY ORDINANCE.
AND THE ORDINANCES TAKE THE AVERAGE.
SO IF, IF THERE'S A NEW METHODOLOGY OF HOW WE USE THE DATA OF THE COMPARABLE SIZE AND, AND A FORM OF, OF GOVERNMENT, THAT WOULD VERY LIKELY BE A MODIFICATION TO SECTION TWO DASH 23 OF CITY CODE.
AND TO CHANGE THAT NATURE OF ANNUAL, UH, COMPENSATION THROUGH, THROUGH THAT ORDINANCE.
WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE COUNCIL COUNCIL DIRECTION ON THAT.
BUT IF IT'S, IF IT'S ALL OF A SUDDEN CHANGING, UH, I, CHANGING THE CHARTER LANGUAGE IS GONNA BE BY REFERENDUM AND, AND A MUCH HARD AND A MUCH HARDER PROCESS.
CHANGING SECTION TWO DASH 23, WHICH IS, WHICH IS ADOPTED PURSUANT TO THAT CHARTER LANGUAGE.
MIGHT, MIGHT BE AN EASIER PATH IF, IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE TO CONSIDER FLORIDA LEAGUE CITIES.
IS, IS THIS THE AVERAGE FROM THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES? KEVIN, MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE HR DIRECTOR IS THAT THIS IS A LIST OF 10 CITIES IN THE STATE OF LIKE, POPULATION WITH SIMILAR FORM OF COUNCIL MANAGER FORM OF GOVERNMENT.
SO THEN YOU HAVE A POINT THAT WELL, SO WE CAN GET THE LIST.
THIS IS, THIS IS GREAT GUIDANCE.
UH, WE COULD, IF I THINK COST OF LIVING INCREASE IS A GREAT, UH, GREAT IDEA FOR, WE GET THE LIST FROM THE LEAGUE OF CITIES AND THEN BRING IT BACK.
DOES EVERYBODY, IS EVERYONE, WAIT, WAIT A MINUTE.
YOU LOST COST OF, COST OF, OKAY.
THE AVERAGE SALARIES FROM THE LEAGUE OF CITIES.
WITH A COST OF LIVING INCREASE ADDED INTO CODE.
WE COULD DO THAT HERE TO DO YOUR COST OF INCREASE.
WE DON'T HAVE TO GO TO THE VOTERS.
DO WE HAVE WAIT A WAIT, ADAM, I'M LOOKING AT ADAM GOING, IS THAT CORRECT? WE CAN DO THAT DURING THE COST OF LIVING INCREASE.
I, I WOULD, I WOULD WANNA REVIEW THE DISCUSSION IN ANY MEMOS THAT OUR OFFICE ISSUED IN 2010 ON, ON THAT.
I'M, I'M NOT AS, NOT AS CONFIDENT ON THE ANNUAL, ON ANNUAL REVISIONS FOR CO AGAIN, RIGHT.
UM, IT'S A, I I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S A, IT'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION ON IS THE, IS THE LANGUAGE IN TWO DASH 23 TALKING ABOUT SETTING ANNUAL, UM, ANNUAL SALARIES ONLY REVISABLE BASED ON THE NEW DATA EVERY, EVERY FIVE YEARS? OR IS IT, CAN IT BE REVIEWED MORE, MORE FREQUENTLY, MORE FREQUENTLY THAN, THAN THAT BASED ON POPULATION? AND, AND I, I, I'M HAPPY TO, I'M HAPPY TO LOOK, I'M HAPPY TO LOOK AT THAT.
I, I THINK IF HISTORIC, IF THIS IS HOW IT'S BEEN DONE HISTORICALLY, I WOULD SAY THERE'S PROBABLY A REASON THAT IT'S BEEN DONE THAT WAY HISTORICALLY.
UM, AND, AND SO AGAIN, RIGHT, BUT IT, IT GOES BACK TO THE CHARTER.
THE CHARTER LANGUAGE IS, IS TELLING, IS DIRECTING COUNSEL, ADOPT AN ORDINANCE THAT, THAT GOES, THAT, UM, IMPLEMENTS THIS, THIS SALARY PROCESS, RIGHT? THIS, THIS ORDINANCE HAS EXISTED SINCE, SINCE 2005 AND SET FORTH.
HERE'S, HERE'S THE PROCESS THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING.
AND SO 2005, 20 10, 20 15, 20 20, 20, 25, WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS.
HERE'S NEW, HERE'S NEW SURVEY DATA.
DO YOU, DO YOU WANT TO REVISE, YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR SALARY, THE, THE ORDINANCE IS AUTHORIZING YOU TO DO THE, THE AVERAGE OF THIS SURVEY, THIS SURVEY DATA CO.
AND COUNCIL HASN'T, HASN'T TAKEN THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR, FOR WHATEVER REASON THEY'VE, THEY'VE DECIDED.
SO I STILL THINK IT SHOULD BE BASED ON OUR POPULA SOMEHOW IF SOMEBODY, BUT WE CAN'T DO THAT.
THAT'S NOT WHAT WE, WE'D HAVE TO CHANGE IT.
THAT'S, WE'RE BACK TO CHANGING IT.
UM, I MEAN THAT, THAT'S WHAT MY
THAT'S KIND OF THE NATURE OF IT.
SO WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT OUR AVERAGE, WHAT WOULD BE OUR SALARY IF WE'RE MIDDLE? WE'RE AT THE LOW END RIGHT NOW.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT 12 OUT OF 13.
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LOOKING AT LIKE 35,000 FOR MAYOR, 25 FOR COUNCIL.THAT'S IF YOU WANT, WE'RE NOT GONNA SAY THAT'S, THAT'S A, I'M TRYING TO KEEP IT WHERE IT'S NOT SOME SORT OF CRAZY DECISION.
IF YOU WENT WITH THE CITY OF ST.
CLOUD, WHICH WOULD BE PROBABLY THE NEXT ONE UP FROM PALM BAY, THEY'RE AT 18, 500 HUNDRED 15 AND 31,000 FOR MAYOR.
SO 18,000 AND A HALF FOR COUNCIL, 31,000.
CLOUD AND HOW THEY DO IT, DON, AND I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY, AGAIN, WHY, WHAT'S THEIR, THEIR REASONING VERSUS THAT'S SUCH A BIG, BIG, THAT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE.
I THINK THEY'RE VERY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT SO MUCH WE DO IN MELBOURNE, BUT THEN AT THE SAME TIME, YEAH, I JUST WANNA MAKE IT LESS.
I THINK EVERYONE GETS THAT THE STARTS JUST MORE YEAH.
BUT THEN SOME KIND, SOME KIND OF METHODOLOGY I THINK, WHICH, WHICH WE CURRENTLY HAVE IS, IS DEFINITELY THE WAY TO GO.
BUT, UH, I LIKE WHAT THE CITY ATTORNEY, YOU KNOW, IS SO, SO VICE MAYOR, AND I THINK YOU'RE TRYING TO GET US TO THIS POINT.
DO, DO, SHOULD THERE BE A POTENTIAL CONSIDERATION OF A NEW METHODOLOGY, AT LEAST FOR THE CODE SECTION 2.23, COULD THAT ALSO INCLUDE A CO COLA COST OF LIVING NEW METHODOLOGY AND WELL, IT WOULD BE PRE, THE ONLY WAY YOU WOULD HAVE THAT IS IT WOULD LITERALLY SAY EVERY FIVE YEARS WHEN IT'S PRESENTED TO YOU, HERE'S WHAT THE NUMBER WOULD BE WITH A COST OF LIVING INCREASE ON IT.
AND THEN WE'D HAVE TO STILL VOTE UP OR DOWN.
BUT WHY, BUT WHY EVERY FIVE? WHAT ABOUT EVERY TWO? I I, YOU KNOW, SO THERE ARE THINGS THAT WITHIN THAT 2.23 THAT I'M LISTENING THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED.
SO, BUT I, BUT I, I THINK I'M FINE.
I LIKE, I, I LIKE THE DIRECTION THAT YOU START US DOWN, WHICH IS, HEY, THIS IS WHAT IT STATES.
AND I KNOW THAT PREVIOUS COUNCILS FOR WHATEVER REASON, BUT I THINK EVERY FIVE, THAT'S A FINE TIMELINE.
UH, SO I, I, I WOULDN'T HAVE TO SAY ANYTHING NECESSARILY HAS TO CHANGE, BUT I WOULD BE OKAY WITH REVIEWING NEW METHODOLOGY AND ALSO WITH CONSIDERATION OF A COST OF LIVING IN, UH, AND I'M GONNA TRY TO MOVE US ON.
JUST, WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP OUR BUSINESS GOING HERE.
SO ARE YOU, ARE YOU DECIDE, IS THERE A NUMBER THAT YOU LIKE OR DO YOU WANNA MOVE THIS TOWARD THE NEXT MEETING WHEN THE OTHER TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE HERE? YES.
YOU SAID, IS THERE A NUMBER THAT WE LIKED? IS THERE A NUMBER THAT HE LIKES? OH.
I, I, I LIKE, I LIKE THE NUMBER AS PROPOSED, WHICH WOULD BE, UH, USING THE AVERAGES OF THE CITIES AS PRESENTED.
SO YOU, UH, THAT WOULD BE MAKING US NUMBER SEVEN, MIDDLE OF THE PACK AVERAGE.
UH, WHICH IS COUNCIL 25 AND MAYOR 35, IF THAT'S WHAT THE MATH, I HAVE NOT SEEN THE MATH, BUT IF THAT'S WHAT THE MATH COMES OUT TO.
AND I'M GONNA LET YOU GO LAST 'CAUSE YOU DON'T THINK BE NICE, ANY OF IT.
UNLESS YOU WANT TO GO NEXT, I'LL YOU.
I DON'T WANNA PUT YOU IN A BOX.
NO, IT'S, I, I'VE FOUGHT MY WAY OUTTA MORE BOXES THAN YOU
UM, IF YOU GUYS GO TO 25 AND 35 FOR MAYOR, UM, I MAY JUST GO AGAINST MY WILL AND COME BACK OUT 2028 AND RUN FOR MAYOR.
I MEAN, WOULD YOU HAVE A SUBSTITUTE NUMBER THAT YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH? I, I DO NOT.
I WANT, LOOK, YOU GUYS ARE THE, ARE THE NEW GUYS.
I MEAN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE THE, YOU'RE THE, I LOOKED AT BUREAU BEACH, YOU'RE THE NEW PEOPLE.
SO I WANT TO FOLLOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU GUYS, THE IDEAS THAT YOU BRING.
'CAUSE I'M BELIEVING I'M, I'M THE OLDEST ONE UP HERE, SO SURE.
SORRY, YOU DON'T GET THAT DISTINCTION.
I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET US IN COMPLIANCE ABOUT, I MEAN, I'VE LOOKED AT, AND ONE TIME I LOOKED IN THERE BY ACCIDENT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE LOOKING AT SOMETHING ELSE AND I'M JUST REALLY SURPRISED IF VERO BEACH, WHICH YES, THEY DO HAVE AN AIRPORT AND THEY HAVE A WORKING AIRPORT AND ALL THAT.
AND THEY WERE A COUPLE THOUSAND DOLLARS MORE.
AND THAT WAS ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO.
AND I WAS VERY SURPRISED AT THAT TIME.
THEY HAVE MORE MONEY DOWN THERE.
WELL, COUNCILMAN DINGLE HAS A OFFICE THAT HE SHOWED OFF ON A VIDEO ONCE WEEK.
LIKE, I'M NOT ASKING FOR AN OFFICE
THE DIFFERENT STUFF SHARE WITH US.
OH NO, HE HAS LIKE HIS OWN PERSONAL, I'M LIKE, WHAT THE HECK? HOT.
I KNOW, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO BE IN THERE.
I MEAN, BUT IT WAS, BUT IT WAS, DON'T LET IT GO TO, IT WAS SUBSTANTIAL, YOU KNOW? IT WAS, IT WAS SOME WHAT OF A SUBSTANTIAL, AND I WAS KIND OF LIKE, HUH.
THAT'S, THAT'S INTER YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE OF THOSE MOMENTS WHERE YOU LOOK AT IT AND YOU JUST GO, WELL THAT'S INTERESTING, YOU KNOW, TO LOOK DOWN THERE.
AND I'M THINKING THEY DID NOT HAVE, I THINK THEY HAD 30,000 PEOPLE IN THEIR CITY.
I COULD BE WRONG IN THE CITY OF VERO ITSELF.
SO, I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE WAY LOW, BUT WE, OTHER THAN OCALA.
BUT, UM, SO, BUT WE'VE GOTTA BRING IT UP WITHIN A LIVING, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHAT.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, WELL, WELL, I'M JUST TRYING TO DRAW EVERYBODY TO A NUMBER.
IS THERE A CITY ON HERE THAT YOU THINK IS COMPARABLE THAT YOU WOULD MODEL IT AFTER? SO IT'S IMPARTIAL? OR DO YOU WANT THE AVERAGE THAT MR. UM, SMITH SAID, WHICH IS
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35 25 BELTON? MAYBE VICE MAYOR.SIR, I THOUGHT THAT WE, DURING THE, UH, CON CONVERSATION, WE WERE GOING, UH, ASK KEVIN TO GET THE, UH, THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES AVERAGES VERSUS JUST WHAT WE, WE HAVE ON THE PAPER THERE.
WELL, I THINK HIS UNDERSTANDING WAS THIS WAS THE SAME.
AND JUST TO YOUR POINT, VICE MAYOR TO, TO MOVE THIS ALONG IF YOU'D LIKE, WE'RE HAPPY TO BRING THIS BACK TO THE NEXT MEETING WITH SOME BETTER NUMBERS.
UM, LET'S DO IT A BETTER, WHAT'S BETTER NUMBERS MEAN? JUST SO WE HAVE AN IDEA OF
UM, WELL, YOU HAD ASKED FOR A COMPUTATION OF THE AVERAGE.
BUT THAT DOESN'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT NUMBER FACTORS IN.
SO A MONTHLY CAR ALLOWANCE, YOUR MONTHLY CAR ALLOWANCE IS PART OF YOUR SALARY.
SO IF YOU'RE JUST TAKING THE AVERAGE IN THOSE COLUMNS, MAYOR ANNUAL SALARY COUNCIL, ANNUAL SALARY, WE'RE MISSING THE CAR ALLOWANCES FOR THOSE OTHER CITIES.
SO THAT NUMBER ISN'T NECESSARILY CORRECT.
SO WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE RECEIVING YOUR INFORMATION FROM US FOR TAX PURPOSES, RIGHT, YOU'RE, IT'S YOUR SALARY PLUS YOUR MONTHLY CAR ALLOWANCE TIMES 12.
AND THAT'S TECHNICALLY WHAT YOUR INCOME IS.
SO THAT NUMBER, IF YOU'RE JUST TAKING THAT COLUMN AVERAGE IS GONNA MISS THOSE CITIES THAT HAVE THAT CAR ALLOWANCE IN THERE, WHICH WILL SKEW THE NUMBER A LITTLE BIT.
SO WE GO TO LIKE TALLAHASSEE, WHAT'S THAT? THE MONTHLY CAR ALLOWANCE, THE PURPOSE OF THAT IS LIKE TO GO TO TALLAHASSEE OR SOMETHING.
THE MONTHLY CAR ALLOWANCE IS TYPICALLY FOR IN COUNTY TRAVEL.
IT'S IN, OR YOU KNOW YOUR MAYOR FOR THAT.
I HAVE YOUR MERIT COUNCIL TRAVEL AND PER DIEM BUDGET SPEAKS TO LEAGUE OF CITIES EVENTS, EDC EVENTS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T HAVE TO SUBMIT FOR IT.
WE USED TO HAVE TO, IT'S SO WHEN I GET MY DIRECT DEPOSIT, THIS IS ALREADY IN THERE.
YOU KNOW, FOR THE REIMBURSEMENT IF YOU GO OUT OF COUNTY.
AND WELL, YEAH, BUT I MEAN, WITHIN THE COUNTY, IF I WENT TO, UH, RIBBON CUTTING HERE AND, AND UH, SOMETHING ELSE OVER THERE, SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE WEEK, I'D HAVE TO WRITE DOWN ALL THE MILEAGE.
THEN YOU, THEN, YOU KNOW, IF THAT MADE IT FOR ME, PAIN IN THE, YOU KNOW WHAT? CORRECT.
AND SO INSTEAD THERE WAS A DECISION.
COUNCIL MEMBERS GET THIS AND YOU'RE GOOD TO GO.
THE ASSUMPTION MAYOR GOES MORE PLACES CORRECT THAN WE DO.
AND THEN THE CODE SPEAKS TO YOUR TRAVEL OUTSIDE OF THAT.
YOU WOULD GET THE REIMBURSEMENT PER THE TRAVEL POLICY AND THE ADMINISTRATIVE POLICY MANUAL.
SO THEN, SO YOU WOULD COME BACK WITH SOME NEW INFORMATION BASED ON WHAT AN AVERAGE WOULD LOOK LIKE BASED ON THE, EITHER THOSE, YES, WE CAN BIGGEST STUDIES DATA AND THE, WE CAN COME BACK WITH A BETTER CHART, MAYBE REVIEW THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS ABOUT, UM, THE PER CAPITA AND WHAT PALM BAY DOES AND THAT SORT OF THING.
AND MAYBE PRESENT YOU WITH SOME BETTER OPTIONS JUST TO, I TO THINK WE'RE JUST ARBITRARILY GOING OFF OF SOME INFORMATION.
HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT? I FEEL LIKE I, I'M, I'M GOOD WITH THAT.
SO IS THAT BREAK ANOTHER COKE? IS THAT CONSENSUS FOR Y'ALL? WE GOOD? I'M TIRED.
NUMBER 24, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRAVEL AGAIN.
IS IT GONNA BE JUST AS LONG? SORRY.
YOU ALL KNOW THAT, UH, OCCURS IN JUPITER EACH YEAR.
AND SO IN ACCORDANCE WITH YOUR TRAVEL POLICY, WHICH SPEAKS TO TRAVEL WITHIN BREVARD COUNTY WHERE YOU DON'T NEED APPROVAL, SINCE THIS IS OUTSIDE OF BREVARD COUNTY, THIS ITEM HAS TO COME TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL OF THE EXPENDITURE FROM THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL BUDGET.
THE ALL-INCLUSIVE COST PER ATTENDEE IS 6 25 FOR ONE NIGHT, OR 8 75 FOR A TWO NIGHT STAY.
SLIGHTLY HIGHER THAN LAST YEAR, BUT COMPARABLE.
AND, UM, IN ADDITION TO, UH, IF YOU DO APPROVE THE TRAVEL FOR COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH AND COUNCIL MEMBER HANLEY AND ANY OTHER INTERESTED COUNCIL MEMBER, WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU MAKE A FINDING THAT THE, UM, TRAVEL SERVES A VALID PUBLIC PURPOSE AS DESCRIBED IN THE AGENDA REPORT.
UM, SO SIR, UH, ALONG WITH THIS, THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITY'S ANNUAL CONFERENCE, IS THAT, SO YOUR, UH, YOUR, WE HAVE A COUNCIL POLICY THAT SPEAKS TO, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE PRE-APPROVED TO ATTEND ANY FLORIDA LEGAL CITIES EVENT.
SO THAT'S WHY WHEN WE GET THAT ANNUAL CONFERENCE, WE'RE IMMEDIATELY EMAILING YOU AND THEN STARTING THE RESERVATION PROCESS.
WE DON'T NEED COUNCIL APPROVAL FOR THAT.
AND YOU DO A GREAT JOB WITH THAT.
THE, THE ONLY THING I HAVE, UM, I HAVE NO, I'VE SEEN ALSO MS. KENNEDY THERE BEFORE.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANTED TO, SHE HAS A SCHOOL BOARD.
SHE HAS A SCHOOL BOARD THAT WEEK.
OH, SHE GOES THROUGH THE SCHOOL.
OH, SHE DOESN'T GO THROUGH US.
I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF WE WANTED TO INCLUDE HER ON THERE OR NOT.
I'M I'M JUST ASSUMING IF SHE'S GONNA GO, IT'S GONNA GO THROUGH THE SCHOOL BOARD.
BUT I THE RENEGADE TONIGHT AND HAVE BEEN ON THIS ISSUE FOR MANY YEARS, UM, I WILL NOT APPROVE THIS.
NOT BECAUSE OF ANYTHING FOR YOU OR ANYTHING FOR YOU.
I JUST WILL NOT APPROVE IT BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE THE CHAMBER, UH, HAS THE SAME LEADERSHIP VISION THAT WE HAVE OR THAT I HAVE.
I DROPPED OUT OF THE CHAMBER FIVE YEARS AGO 'CAUSE WE COULDN'T, I WAS PROMISED ONE THING BY THE CHAMBER AND NOTHING BECAME DELIVERED.
BUSINESS OWNER AND EVERYTHING ELSE, I DON'T BELIEVE IN THEIR MISSION BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT EXISTS.
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YOU WANNA GO TO THE LEADERSHIP CONFERENCE, WRITE OUT YOUR, YOU KNOW, THE ONLY THING WE ASK IS THAT YOU, YOU'RE RIGHT OUT TO, YOU KNOW, THE PAPERS TO TELL ME WHAT YOU'RE BRINGING BACK TO THE CITY SOMETIMES AND HOW YOU'RE GONNA IMPLEMENT IT.WAIT A SECOND, MS. HALEY AND HOW YOU'RE GONNA IMPLEMENT IT AND WHERE WE'RE GONNA IMPLEMENT IT BECAUSE IT'S A LOT OF MONEY FOR THIS.
AND I, AND WE GO EVERY YEAR AND I NEVER SEE ANYTHING COME BACK.
I DON'T SEE ANY PUBLIC VALUE FROM ANYBODY THAT'S GONE WITH ANYTHING THAT'S GONE DOWN, DOWN THERE.
SO I'M JUST BEING THE, THE RENEGADE, LIKE I SAID, I WILL NOT APPROVE THIS.
I WILL NOT VOTE TO APPROVE IT AND IT IS NOT PERSONAL.
I WANT YOU, I WANT YOU ALL TO UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S BY PERSONAL, UM, EXPERIENCE WITH THE, WITH THE MELBOURNE CHAMBER.
I WON'T BE GOING THAT WEEKEND, BUT
IT'S BEEN WITH FIT I'VE MET PEOPLE WITH FIT THAT WERE WORKING TO GET, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY GOT THEIR STUFF TOGETHER FOR THE HOMECOMING AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WE'VE GOT.
IT WASN'T LIKE HAVING FIT COME BACK TO BE HAVING THEIR HOMECOMING DOWNTOWN.
I HOPEFULLY THEY'VE GOT, HAVEN'T GOTTEN BACK WITH, THEY SHOULD BE GETTING THEIR STUFF IN THERE.
THEY HAVEN'T DONE THAT OR, OR NOT.
IT'S TIME TO GET THEIR PAPERWORK IN THERE TO GET SO THAT WE HAVE THE HOME COMING BACK IN HERE IN THE CITY.
THAT TO ME IS IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE, THEY WERE OVER ON THE BEACH SIDE DURING THEIR CONCERT, WHICH I, I'M LIKE, YOU'RE IN MELBOURNE.
YOU'RE NOT OVER IN INDIAN ATLANTIC OVER AT NANCE PARK.
THEY SAID IT DID NOT TURN OUT AS WELL AS THEY LIKED IT TO AND THEY WANTED TO COME BACK INTO THE CITY HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM.
IT MIGHT NOT BE, WE'RE GONNA GET IT RIGHT THEN, RIGHT THERE AT CONTRACT, BUT IT'S A LONG, IT'S A, IT'S WORKING WITH THEM OVER THE TIME PERIOD.
ALRIGHT, SO WITHOUT NOT SEEING ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, DO I HAVE A MOTION FOR THIS APPROVAL OF, OF EXPENDITURE FOR THE, UM, CHAMBER COMMERCE, UH, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? THE CHAIR LEADERSHIP? SAY AGAIN.
READ THE MOTION IN THE AGENDA REPORT.
I'M SORRY IF, IF YOU CAN READ THE, UH, MOTION IN THE AGENDA REPORT.
'CAUSE THAT INCLUDES THE FINDING THAT THERE'S A VALID PUBLIC PURPOSE FOR THE TRAVEL AUTHORIZATION FOR THE C UM, AUTHORIZATION FOR COUNCIL MEMBER MARCUS SMITH AND ME TO ATTEND THE MELBOURNE REGIONAL CHAMBER COMMERCE 2025 COMMUNITY LEADERSHIP RETREAT SCHEDULED FOR SEPTEMBER 18TH THROUGH THE 20TH 2025, ALONG WITH THE FINDINGS THAT THE TRAVEL SERVICE A VALID PUBLIC PER PURPOSE AS DESCRIBED IN THE AGENDA REPORT.
ALRIGHT, IS THERE A SECOND? OKAY.
I HAVE A MOTION BY MS. HANLEY, A SECOND BY MR. SMITH.
DO WE HAVE TO DETERMINE WHETHER IT'S THE ONE NIGHT OR THE TWO KNIGHTS OR THAT CAN BE DETERMINED ONCE THEY DECIDE? I THINK YOUR APPROVAL OF THE EXPENDITURE GIVES LEEWAY TO LEEWAY TO, TO EITHER, IN MY OPINION.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE A AYE.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED NAY AND I VOTE.
AND NEXT IS THE APPOINTMENTS TO THE BEAUTIFICATION ENERGY BOARD.
KEVIN, I'M GONNA TAKE THIS ONE.
JUSTICE STEVENS, ASSISTANT CITY CLERK.
UH, THIS ITEM IS FOR THE APPOINTMENT OF ONE ALTERNATE MEMBER TO THE BEAUTIFICATION AND EN ENERGY EFFICIENCY BOARD.
THERE'S CURRENTLY ONE ALTERNATE MEMBER POSITION THAT IS VACANT AND WE CURRENTLY HAVE THREE APPLICATIONS.
ONE OF THOSE BEING NOW A FORMER MEMBER OF THE GOLF GOLF COURSE ADVISORY BOARD.
UM, ALL APPLICANTS ARE MELBOURNE RESIDENTS, WHICH IS, UM, ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THESE POSITIONS.
UM, THE REQUESTED ACTION IS TO APPOINT ONE OUTSIDE MEMBER AS AN ALTERNATE MEMBER USING THE NOMINATION PROCESS.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, LET ME KNOW.
I I NOMINATE NICHOLAS SANZONE SANZONE.
DO WE SECOND? SO, SO YOU WANT NEXT HAND ZONE? UH, SO ONE, WE GOT A MOTION BY MS. HANLEY, A SECOND BY MR. VICE MAYOR.
SO JUST FOR NOMINATIONS, IF THERE ARE NO OTHER NOMINATIONS, OH, THEN WE WOULD CLOSE A NOMINATION AND THEN MAKE A MOTION TO APPOINT MR. SANZONE.
ARE ARE THERE, ARE THERE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? SEEING NONE OR CLOSE NOMINATIONS? ALRIGHT.
AND THEN YOU SAID WE NEED TO VOTE ANYWAY EVEN THOUGH IT'S YES AT THIS POINT TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPOINT MR. SANZONE AS AN ALTER MEMBER.
SO THAT, SO MR. IS THE ONLY ONE.
MS. HANLEY, DID YOU MAKE YOUR MOTION? YEAH, HE'S MAKING ME REDO IT.
HOWEVER, MR. MR. SMITH, YOU SECOND I MAKE, UH, THE APPOINT NO NOMINATION VERSUS A MOTION TO APPOINT.
RIGHT? BECAUSE THERE WERE, IF THERE WERE MULTIPLE PEOPLE, THEN IT WAS WHO, WHO'S THE NOMINEE? WHO'S THE NOMINEE.
SO IDENTIFIED THE NOMINEE, CLOSE THE NOMINATIONS.
SO NOW MR. SANSO, SO YOU'D LIKE TO, YOU MAKE A MOTION.
NOMIN APPOINT MR. SANSO TO APPOINT MR. SAN.
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MOTION TO APPOINT.I HAVE A MOTION BY MS. HANLEY, A SECOND BY MR. SMITH.
PETITIONS ARE MONSTERS AND COMMUNICATIONS.
UH, SO ON THE NINTH I WENT TO, UH, THE MELBOURNE POLICE DEPARTMENT SWEARING IN CEREMONY.
THAT WAS, UH, IT WAS VERY NICE TO SEE SO MANY NEW OFFICERS.
I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE HOW THE GOOD THEY'RE GONNA DO FOR THE CITY.
AND ON THE 18TH I WENT TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT PINNING IN PROMOTION CEREMONY.
UM, SO IT WAS NICE TO SEE ALL THOSE, UH, NEW FIREFIGHTERS GET OFFICIALLY SWORN IN AND RECEIVE THEIR PROMOTIONS AND EVERYBODY WAS REALLY HAPPY.
SO IT WAS, IT'S NICE TO SEE, UH, BOTH OF THE DEPARTMENTS GROWING, WHICH THEY NEEDED TO BE DONE.
MS. LEY, I HAVE A, UM, JENNY, I'M SORRY I DIDN'T BRING THIS UP EARLIER, BUT SOMEBODY HAD BROUGHT UP, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE CROSSING LIGHT RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF OUR, UM, CITY HALL HERE.
AND IT'S JUST A SMALL, SOMEBODY SAYS WHEN YOU'RE GOING WEST AT A CERTAIN TIME AT NIGHT, IT'S SUCH A SMALL BAR THERE THAT THEY WERE ASKING, IF YOU LOOK OVER ON THE BEACH SIDE, THEY HAVE BIGGER LIGHTS.
THEY SAID IT'S VERY HARD TO SEE THAT SOMETIMES WHEN THE LIGHTS GOING IN THERE WITH THE, THE SMALL BAR.
AND THEY WOULD ASK IF WE COULD JUST HAVE A BIGGER, BIGGER LIGHTS SO THAT THEY COULD SEE IT BEFORE, YOU KNOW, THEY JUST WOULD, THEY FELT LIKE THEY WENT ONTO A SAFETY ISSUE THERE THAT HAS BEEN STALLED, INSTALLED FOR A WHILE.
SO I WONDER IF THE, THE STANDARD WAS DIFFERENT THEN.
AND THERE'S A NEWER STANDARD STANDARD NOW.
SO I WILL HAVE STAFF TAKE A LOOK IN THAT AND WE'LL GET A REPORT BACK TO COUNSEL.
ANOTHER THING IS, I, I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT, IS, UM, A BENCH IN FRONT OF THE MELBOURNE.
WHAT'S THE, THE ONE ON WICKHAM ROAD? THE MELBOURNE ORLANDO HOSPITAL.
OH, OH, ORLANDO HEALTH OR THE OLD GUSTOF? YEAH, THE OLD GUSTOF.
UM, BUT I'D LIKE DO WE KNOW WHO HAS THE AUTHORITY THERE FOR THE BENCH OR DO WE HAVE TO GET WITH THE HOSPITAL OR NOT? BECAUSE IT'S THE, ON THE RIGHT, YOU KNOW, THE, IS IT IN WICKHAM RIGHT OF WAY? I THINK IT'S IN WICKHAM RIGHT OF WAY.
WE WOULD HAVE TO GET WITH THE COUNTY ON THAT.
I THINK THE LAST TIME YOU ASKED, WE REACHED OUT, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF WE FOLLOWED UP.
SO WE'LL MAKE SURE WE FOLLOW UP.
I JUST, UH, IT JUST SITTING OUT THERE AND, AND SEEING PEOPLE, I'M SURE THERE'S GONNA BE MORE AND MORE USE.
AND SO JUST SEEING PEOPLE STANDING THERE AND, AND THAT IS NOT A GREAT THING.
UH, FIRST OFF, I WANT TO, UH, THANK YOU ALL FOR, UH, THE WORKSHOP THAT WAS DONE EARLIER.
LOTS OF INFORMATION WAS PRESENTED.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT ANY OF THE TAKEAWAYS WERE.
START OFF WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE FROM LITTLE GROWERS, UH, THE ASSET MAPPING, UH, FROM LOVE INC.
AND ALSO FROM, UH, FAMILY PROMISE OF BREVARD.
AND THEN WE FINISHED WITH, UH, THE WE VENTURE AND THE SMALL BUSINESS.
I DON'T REALLY NEED TO, I DON'T WANNA SUM UP ANYTHING TONIGHT, BUT I JUST, I THANK YOU, UH, VICE MAYOR.
'CAUSE YOU, YOU ASKED, UH, ALL OF THEM ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE CALL TO WHAT END, RIGHT? WHAT'S THE CALL TO ACTION? UH, SO, UH, BUT I THINK THERE WAS A LOT, AND I'VE ALREADY, I RECEIVED A FEW TEXT MESSAGES LIKE, OH WOW, WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT ALL THESE THINGS WERE HAPPENING.
UH, AND THEY WERE ALL, UH, VERY WELL DONE, VERY WELL.
UH, LOTS OF INFORMATION PRESENTED.
UH, SO WITH THAT, THAT'S ALL I PRETTY MUCH HAVE.
UM, MY APOLOGIES FOR BEING LATE.
WHAT HAPPENED TO JOE DAVIS, UH, ROOF TODAY? UM, NOT TO THE BIGGEST EXTENT, BUT HAPPENED AT MY WAREHOUSE AS WELL TOO.
SO WE WERE, SO WE'RE ALL HANDS ON DECK TODAY WITH, WITH FLOODING AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
I GOT OUT, WE GOT OUT THERE AS FAST AS WE COULD.
MOVED PROBABLY ABOUT $10,000 WORTH OF INVENTORY OVER AND LOST ABOUT ANOTHER $20,000 WORTH OF INVENTORY.
SO MY APOLOGIES FOR, FOR DO, ARE WE ON, CAN WE GET COPIES OF THE SLIDES FOR EVERYONE? WOULD THAT HELP YOU TO COUNTER REVIEW? GO AHEAD.
I SAW ONE OR SO COME COMMAND ANYWAY.
SO THAT WAY WE'RE ALL FOUR AND IF I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL JUST CALL YOU.
RIGHT, ALL FOUR, INCLUDING, UH, PROVIDENCE.
UM, I ATTENDED THE, THE FIREFIGHTERS, UH, SWEARING IN AND, AND THE PINNING AND EVERYTHING ELSE SOUNDED SO FAR AWAY EVERY TIME.
WELL, I SNUCK IN THE BACK AND TRIED TO GET OUT, AND THEN
I I JUST WANTED TO BE THERE AND, YOU KNOW, BUT, UH, NO, NO, SHE HAD TO COME OUT AFTER ME
UM, SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS, UH, TO YOUR POINT, IT IT WAS A REALLY COOL EVENT, YOU KNOW, AND I TRY TO ATTEND THEM EACH YEAR, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S, IT, IT DOES A LOT FOR THE, FOR THE FOLKS AND THE FIREFIGHTERS AND THE STAFF TO SEE COUNCIL MEMBERS IN THE, IN THE AUDIENCE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU CAN MAKE IT.
OF COURSE, IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY.
UM, I ATTENDED THE, UM, ALL THE, UH, BEACH BEACHSIDE RIBBON CUTTING.
UM, I FOUND OUT ABOUT THE DATE BY, UM, UH, EMAILING CORPORATE BECAUSE THERE HAD BEEN A CHANGE IN THE DATE BECAUSE
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OF THE ARSONIST AND THE, AND EVERYTHING THAT WAS GOING ON THERE.UM, AND, UH, SO, UH, UH, I FOUND OUT THE DATE, UH, AND UH, THEY EXTENDED AN INVITATION TO ME.
UM, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY INVITATION I GOT.
UM, BUT I WAS THERE AND THE CHAMBER WAS THERE.
SO PART OF MY ISSUE WITH, WITH MOVING FORWARD AND TALKING ABOUT THE CHAMBER IS THAT WE PAID THEM $4,000 A YEAR TO BE A SILVER MEMBER.
I THINK SOME SORT, SOME SORT OF THING.
I THINK THAT GIVES US, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT OF WIGGLE ROOM THAT YOU GIVE US A CALL IF THERE'S A RIBBON CUTTING IN OUR DISTRICT.
YEAH, WE DON'T GET ANY HEADS UP.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THESE TELL ME.
SO WHEN I SHOWED UP, THE, THE MEMBERS THERE WERE, WERE QUITE SURPRISED, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, BUT THE, UH, NEW DISTRICT MANAGER AND THE VICE PRESIDENT AND EVERYBODY ELSE INVITED ME TO STAND IN FRONT AND I JUST HAPPENED TO HAVE MY GRANDSON WITH ME.
AND SO HE WAS STANDING THERE IN AWE, YOU KNOW, JUST LOOKING AROUND.
SO, UM, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE AND I JUST WANTED TO CAP IT OFF WITH ONE OF THE REASONS THAT I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE CHAMBER.
UM, SO ONE, WE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT IT EARLIER.
I'M WORKING WITH THE VAR HOMELESS COALITION ON THAT SITE STILL.
UM, AS MR. SMITH REQUESTED, I'LL BRING SOMETHING TO PETITIONS OR MONSTERS NEXT TIME.
SO IF YOU GUYS WANNA PUT IT ON THE AGENDA TO TALK ABOUT OR NOT, WE CAN AT LEAST KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
SECONDLY, MARK, I WANTED TO CONGRATULATE YOU AND THE AIRPORT BOARD FOR, UH, THAT PURCHASE.
I KNOW I'M ON IT, BUT THE FACT IS YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN GOING FOR THIS FOR DECADES ON IT, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS THE, THE GRAVITY OF THAT AND THE RECOGNITION THAT YOU DESERVE FOR THAT.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT.
I, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE TO US MOVING FORWARD.
IT WON'T HAPPEN IN MY TIMELINE, BUT IT'S GOING TO COME ABOUT AND THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY THERE, AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PART BECAUSE THE PROPERTY IS BEING DEEDED TO MELBOURNE.
AND, AND WITH THAT IN MIND, I JUST GIVE, RIGHT? LIKE THAT CONTRACT AND, AND THAT TRANSACTION'S STILL GONNA COME BEFORE YOU HERE AS COUNCIL.
SO PLEASE, PLEASE KEEP THAT IN MIND FOR SUNSHINE PURPOSES, RIGHT? LIKE, I, I KNOW YOU'VE, YOU'VE TAKEN YOUR ACTION LAST WEEK FOR, FOR MELBOURNE AIRPORT AUTHORITY, RIGHT? BUT IT'S STILL PENDING ACTION FROM A CITY STANDPOINT, RIGHT? SO PLEASE, PLEASE KEEP THE DISCUSSIONS TO, TO HERE AT THE, AT THE COUNCIL MEETING.
BUT IT, IT, WE, WE, WE DID THE BLESSING, UH, AT THE AIRPORT BOARD MEETING YEAH.
AND, UH, BECAME PRETTY PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, IT WAS ON ALL SOCIAL MEDIA AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
UM, AND I REPLIED A FEW TIMES TO SOME PEOPLE WHO WERE NEGATIVE ABOUT THE, ABOUT THE PURCHASE.
AND I REPLIED TO SOME PEOPLE WHO WERE POSITIVE ABOUT THE PURCHASE AS WELL TOO.
SO I'LL TRY AND DIG THAT OUTTA MY SOCIAL MEDIA AND MAKE SURE THAT I HAVE IT AS A DISCLOSURE AND EVERYTHING.
I WAS TO SAY THAT ON ELLIS ROAD, THEY STARTED THE ROB MM-HMM
SO IT SHOULD BE DONE BY, THEY STARTED MONDAY, IT SHOULD BE DONE BY DECEMBER, I BELIEVE.
DON'T GET EXCITED, YOU KNOW, BUT WE'VE GOT FUNDING, SO THAT'S A BIG THING.
THAT'S, THAT'S A BIG, BIG THING.
SO DID YOU WANT THAT AS A DISCUSSION ITEM, OR DO YOU WANT THAT TO, ABOUT THE BREVARD HOMELESS COALITION OR THAT PROPERTY? DO YOU WANT THAT AS A, AS AN ITEM OR JUST TO TALK ABOUT AT THE END? DO YOU GUYS WANT IT AS AN ITEM? DO YOU WANT ME TO BRING YOU A REPORT ON DECIDE? JUST BRING IT AT THE END.
I'LL BRING IT AT THE END, THEN YOU GUYS CAN DECIDE WE WANT IT A OKAY.