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PERFECT.GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE MAY 27TH, 2025 REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
BEFORE WE BEGIN THE MEETING, LET ME REVIEW THE PROCEDURES FOR THE MEETING.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK COMPLETE A REQUEST TO SPEAK FORM LOCATED AT THE ENTRANCE TO THE COUNCIL CHAMBER, AND SUBMIT THE COMPLETED FORM TO THE SERGEANT AT ARMS. WHEN YOUR NAME HAS BEEN CALLED, USE THE MICROPHONE AT THE LECTERN ON THE AUDIENCE'S RIGHT AND EITHER STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS OR YOUR NAME AND CITY.
SPEAK TO CITY COUNCILS OF BODY.
DO NOT ADDRESS THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS INDIVIDUALLY.
BE MINDFUL OF THE TIMER ON THE LECTERN AND WRAP UP YOUR COMMENTS BEFORE YOUR SPEAKING TIME ENDS.
THE TIME LIMITS ARE POSTED ON THE REQUEST TO SPEAK FOR AN APPLICANT REPRESENTATIVE OR A PERSON WHO HAS LEGAL STANDING TO SUPPORT OR OPPOSE.
A QUASI-JUDICIAL MATTER WILL BE PERMITTED ENOUGH TIME AS REASONABLY DETERMINED BY THE CITY COUNCIL TO CREATE A RECORD BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL.
ANY PERSON WHO MAKES PERSONAL IMPERTINENT OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS OR BECOMES BOISTEROUS OR DISRESPECTFUL WHILE ADDRESSING THE CITY COUNCIL WILL BE ORDERED TO LEAVE THE COUNCIL CHAMBER.
THANK YOU, UH, FOR JOINING US THIS EVENING.
IF YOU WISH TO PARTICIPATE, PLEASE STAND AL OMAR YOU ETERNAL GOD.
THANK YOU FOR THE BLESSINGS YOU GIVE US IN THE, IN THE CITY OF MELBOURNE.
THANK YOU FOR OUR STAFF WHO DEDICATE THEIR CAREERS TO THE SERVING THE PUBLIC.
THANK YOU TO OUR ELECTED LEADERS WHO TAKE THE TIME FROM THEIR FAMILIES AND PERSONAL PURSUITS TO HELP OUR COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU FOR OUR MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY AND THOSE WHO SHOWED UP TO OUR MEETING TODAY FOR TAKING THE TIME TO BE ENGAGED IN OUR CITY BUSINESS AND HELP MOVE THE CITY FORWARD BASED ON THEIR IDEAS AND EXPERIENCES.
LORD, MAY YOU LOVE, MAY, MAY YOUR LOVE STRENGTHEN US.
MAY WE HAVE YOUR GUIDANCE AND THOUGHTFULNESS AND WE ASK FOR YOUR GRACE AS WE MAKE DECISIONS TODAY.
HERE ARE THE NEEDS OF THE PUBLIC AND SERVE OUR CITY, CITY, YOUR LIGHT GUIDES US AND OUR CITY.
ALL THOSE THINGS WE PRAY IN YOUR NAME.
ALRIGHT, THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WIDGET STANDS.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
COUNCIL KENNEDY IS NOT HERE THIS EVENING.
AND MAYOR ALFRE IS NOT HERE THIS EVENING.
UH, PROCLAMATIONS OF PRESENTATIONS.
WE'RE HAVE THE EMPLOYEE SERVICE AWARDS.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE OUR CITY MANAGER, JENNY, PRESENT.
SO WE ARE HONORED TO CALL UP KEVIN PALMER.
SO SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER KEVIN PAL MARY.
HE BEGAN HIS LAW ENFORCEMENT CAREER IN DECEMBER OF 1994 AS A RESERVE OFFICER WITH THE MELBOURNE POLICE DEPARTMENT ON MAY 1ST, 1995.
HE WAS HIRED AS A FULL-TIME POLICE OFFICER AND ASSIGNED TO THE NIGHT SHIFT PATROL DIVISION UNTIL 2001.
HE WAS THEN ASSIGNED TO THE DAY WORK SHIFT UNTIL 2006.
DURING HIS TIME ON PATROL OFFICER PALMER GAINED VALUABLE EXPERIENCE AS AN AUXILIARY AUXILIARY BOAT OPERATOR AND IS A MEMBER OF THE DIVE RECOVERY TEAM WHERE HE HAS PROUDLY SERVED FOR 25 YEARS.
SO THAT'S PRETTY A PRETTY MAJOR ACCOMPLISHMENT TOO.
UM, IN 2006, HE WAS SELECTED FOR THE MARINE UNIT WHERE HE SERVED FOR 13 YEARS.
DURING HIS TENURE, HE PLAYED A CRITICAL ROLE IN CUSTOMIZING THE DEPARTMENT'S POLICE BOAT AND DIVE RECOVERY TRAILER.
UM, YOU, HE ALSO WORKED DILIGENTLY TO ADDRESS MANY COMPLEX ISSUES WITH THE FLORIDA WILDLIFE COM COMMISSION, COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND THE STATE'S ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
IN JUNE OF 2019, HE WAS SELECTED AS THE COMMUNITY RESOURCE OFFICER.
HE WAS ASSIGNED TO THE BABCOCK STREET CORRIDOR, CRA WHERE YOU, WHERE HE SERVED UNTIL AUGUST OF 2024 TILL LAST YEAR.
HE WAS THEN ASSIGNED TO MELBOURNE HIGH SCHOOL AS A SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER WHERE YOU CONTINUE TO SERVE TODAY AND USED TO SEE YOU A LOT MORE IN CITY HALL.
SO, JOINING OFFICER PALMER THIS EVENING IS HIS WIFE KATE, HIS SON'S CARTER AND CAMERON.
AND HE'S SUPPORTED BY HIS MOTHER AND STEPFATHER, CAROL AND WILLIAM.
WHEN NOT WORKING, KEVIN ENJOYS SPENDING TIME IN THE MOUNTAINS, FISHING, HIKING, KAYAKING, AND THIS ONE KILLS ME, CHEERING FOR HIS BELOVED GEORGIA BULLOCKS.
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THAT WAS ADDED.THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN ADDED FOR MY SINK.
UM, YOUR CAREER IS MARKED IN DEDICATION, COMPASSION, AND A DEEP COMMITMENT TO COMMUNITY SERVICE AND PUBLIC SAFETY.
AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR 30 YEARS OF SERVICE.
AS I WAS SAYING TO YOU BEFORE, WE WERE IN FRONT OF EVERYONE, 30 YEARS IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS HUGE.
I THANK HIS FAMILY FOR SHARING HIM WITH US FOR 30 YEARS.
UM, I KNOW THAT IT'S NOT ALWAYS EASY TO BE, UM, A FAMILY MEMBER OF ONE OF OUR POLICE OFFICERS.
AND WITH THAT WE WILL GIVE YOU YOUR PIN AND YOUR GIFT CARD.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY? OH, THAT'S USUALLY THE MAYOR'S JOB.
DID YOU WANNA ASK THAT INSTEAD YOUR SHOW? NO.
WELL, I DO MISS SEEING YOU AT OUR MEETINGS OR WITH THE COMMUNITY RESOURCE AND I, I'M MISS SEEING YOU WITH THAT, BUT I HEAR YOU DOING GREAT THINGS AT MEL HIGH AND WITH THAT WE'LL INVITE COUNSEL TO COME DOWN AND TAKE A PICTURE.
WHILE LIKE, I'LL STAND ON THIS.
CAN YOU WANT, WE ONLY LOOK THIS GOOD FOR LIKE A SMALL AMOUNT OF TIME.
UM, GOING INTO THAT, DO YOU HAVE UH, SAME MANAGER'S REPORT? OH, JUMP SKIPPING.
UH, OH, I'M SORRY FOR A LITTLE MINUTES.
ALRIGHT, EVERYONE WAS DISTRIBUTED THE MINUTES.
COULD I GET A MOTION FOR APPROVAL? SO MOVE SECOND.
ALRIGHT, GOT A MOTION BY MR. SMITH.
UM, IT IS IN THE WRITTEN REPORT, BUT I DID WANNA BRING UP HERE AT THE MEETING THAT AT THE LAST MEETING, COUNCIL MEMBER LARUSSO, UM, RECEIVED CONSENSUS TO WORK WITH STAFF TO RESOLVE THE, UM, ISSUE WITH THE INFILL SIDEWALK CONSTRUCTION ON CRETON STREET.
AND I JUST WANTED TO LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT WE DID RESOLVE THE ISSUE.
UM, WE, UM, LOOKED INTO IT, WE, YOU KNOW, INTERPRETED CODE AND WE DID FIGURE OUT THAT THEY COULD PAY INTO THE SIDEWALK TRUST FUND.
BUT WITH THAT AND WITH THE DISCUSSION WITH STAFF, UM, WE MADE THAT DECISION BASED ON US BRINGING US BEING STAFF A CODE REVISION FOR COUNCIL CONSIDERATION AT A FUTURE MEETING.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE KNEW WE WERE WORKING ON THAT CODE CHANGE.
IF YOU, YOU, ANY OF YOU OBJECT, PLEASE LET ME KNOW NOW, BUT WE'RE GONNA MAKE IT SO THAT IT'S A LITTLE EASIER TO READ AND SO WE DON'T HAVE CONFUSION IN THE FUTURE.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. ELSO? QUICKLY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR, UH, FOR YOUR, UM, UM, SUPPORT ON THIS.
UM, KEVIN, JUST PULL UP ONE PICTURE.
I I WANT, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE PICTURES WEREN'T ABLE TO COME THROUGH LAST, UH, LAST MEETING, SO THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE VOTING ON.
SO THE SIDEWALK AREA, GOING DOWN TO THE, UM, UH, GOING DOWN TO THE RIVER, IT WAS A LITTLE CONFUSING IN CODE.
UM, IT WORKED WITH THE, UH, DEVELOPER AND WITH STAFF.
I APPRECIATE YOUR HELP ON THIS.
UM, AND SO, UM, I LOOK FORWARD TO, UH, SEEING WHAT THE CHANGE IS IN THE CODE SO THAT WE CAN, UH, UH, MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT CLEARER FOR, YOU KNOW, THOSE WHO ARE COMING ACROSS THIS, THIS TYPE OF, UH, OF A, UH, CHALLENGE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR JENNY COMMENTS? SEEING NONE.
KEVIN, DO WE HAVE ANY CARDS? WE DO.
FIRST UP, WE HAVE MR. BRENT WILLERBERG.
I, UH, IF I MISS, UH, STATED YOUR NAME FOLLOWED BY ED AUBREY.
OKAY, WELL THIS IS ABOUT, UH, SPENDING ALL THE MONEY AND GOING, TRYING TO TURN A HUGE SHIP AROUND AND GOING IN THE
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RIGHT DIRECTION.WE HAD TO MOVE THE PRODUCTIVE OF PLANET RIGHT HERE IN BBAR IS SAME TO HAVE FISH AND WATER.
AND IT ALL HAD TO DO WITH HIGH BEACH SAND THAT WOULD MOVE PEE AND PUT WASH AND CHURN, TORE AND CHURN THEM.
WAVE ACTION AND PH SAND WOULD RELEASED ALL OXYGEN LEADING UP THE CORRECTION AND CREATE CALCIUM CHLORIDE JUST LIKE A ANG DRAIN FIELD.
NOTHING PEOPLE PUT IN MOUTH WHEN THEY EAT TOXIC.
HOW IS IT THAT FOOD IS DIGESTED AND CLOUD OF YOUR BODY? IT'S ALL TOXIC.
SEPTIC TANK PH AMMONIA AND LOW PH GASTRIC ACID ARE ING TOGETHER.
THESE CHEMICALS LEAVE THIS SPEC TANK INTO THE CALCIUM DRAIN FIELD.
THE GASTRIC REACTS WITH A I PH CALCIUM CURRENT RELEASE AND DIS OXYGEN JUST TO THE BEING SPEEDING UP THE ACTION CREATING CALCIUM CHLORIDE.
WE HAVE NOW STATEWIDE FAITH CHEMISTRY, FAITH MEDIA, AND THE GOVERNMENT HELD, BEEN FALSELY ACCUSED PEOPLE FOR FINANCIAL GAIN.
NOW WE'VE GOTTA TURN THIS AROUND 'CAUSE I'M GONNA JUST SAY, JUST LOOK AT THIS.
I PUT OUR LAST FALL, I'M 10 YEARS INTO THIS, I COME TO THE STATE REP, I THINK YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO, AND ONE SPECKLE TROUT IN SEBASTIAN, WHICH WAS THE TROUT CAPITAL OF THE WHOLE DANG WORLD.
AND THAT'S ALMOST, I, THAT'S BEYOND PITIFUL, BUT ON THE BRIGHT SIDE, ONE 20 INCH TROUT CAN HAVE A MILLION BABIES.
AND NOW THAT THEY'RE SEAGRASS THERE FIRM TO CLINGING TO GUESS WHAT,
AND THEY'VE BEEN HOODWINKED, YOU KNOW, BUT I'M GONNA KEEP ON AND HOPEFULLY I'LL GET YOU GUYS ON BOARD HELPING AND I'M GLAD TO SHOW YOU ANYTHING.
EVERYTHING I'VE BEEN WRITING ABOUT, AS IN GRANT VOLGAR TOWN HALL.
SO IT'S JUST BEEN MY PRIVILEGE TO DO THIS.
AND, UH, YOU PROBABLY HAVE ABOUT ONE OR TWO NEW STATE, UH, AND SENATE, UH, PEOPLE RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE GOING THROUGH AN ELECTION ON JUNE, I WANNA SAY SEVENTH.
SO YOU MAY GET A BETTER RESPONSE WITH WHOEVER TAKES OVER THOSE POSITIONS AS WELL.
SO JUST WANNA MAKE SURE CHIP, YOU KNOW, THAT OPTION'S AVAILABLE FOR YOU, UH, DOWN IN GRANT.
WELL, I WANT EVERYONE JUST TO, EVERYONE CAN READ IN GRANT ARY TOWN HALL, BUT, UM, FISHERMEN ARE THE ONES THAT NEED TO BE INVOLVED 'CAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO CHANGE THEIR BEHAVIOR AND TAKE IT, TAKE NOTES ON WHAT'S GOING ON, OR IT'LL JUST CONTINUOUS MM-HMM.
AT NIGHT EVEN GOT TO THE OCEAN.
WELL, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT TO OUR ATTENTION.
ALRIGHT, ED AUBREY, FOLLOWED BY SANDRA PCARD.
I WAS ACTUALLY SUPPOSED TO BE, UH, THOUGHT AT ANOTHER MEETING 'CAUSE I'VE BEEN TO LIKE THREE OR FOUR ZONING MEETINGS, BUT I'M FROM HERE.
I BOUGHT THE FIRST CONDO IN HOBO CREEK SUBDIVISION OVER HERE OFF OF US, ONE AND TWO YEARS AFTER I WAS THERE.
UH, WE HAD A DOCK AND EVERYTHING WAS ALL PUT IN AND I TOLD THE BUILDER I DIDN'T WANT IT UNLESS I GOT A DOCK AND ACCESS TO WATER.
THE SIGNS OUT FRONT, SET IT FOR TWO YEARS, UH, TOWN WATERFRONT TOWN HOMES WITH PRIVATE DOCKS.
AND THEN TWO YEARS LATER, AFTER PAYING TAXES AND EVERYTHING ELSE, I GOT SIGNS PUT OUT SAYING, OKAY, UH, ZONING INFRACTIONS AND WHATEVER, BECAUSE WE DID SOMETHING WRONG.
WELL, IT WAS ACTUALLY BETWEEN THE CITY, THE BUILDER AND THE CITY, WHICH WE WERE NO PART OF, NONE OF THOSE MEETINGS.
SO WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WENT ON.
I MEAN, I GOT THE CEOI THOUGHT EVERYTHING WAS FINE.
GO ENJOY MY HOUSE, I PAID FOR IT.
BUT THEN WE GOT ALL THESE DIFFERENT SIGNS.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE IT AWARE AND MAYBE I'M GONNA NEED SOME HELP IF I CALL SOME REPRESENTATIVES HERE, TRY TO HELP ME.
UM, LIKE I SAID, THERE'S OVER A HUNDRED SLIPS IN THE ELBOW CREEK.
THERE'S A MARINA RIGHT NEXT DOOR.
THERE WERE PE PEOPLE ACROSS THE WATERWAY FROM US.
SO I THOUGHT EVERYTHING WAS OKAY AND I, I PUT IN SOME PAVERS ALSO.
'CAUSE I ASKED THE BUILDER, WHICH WAS THE HOA, CAN I PUT IN PAVERS? AND HE SAYS, SURE, IT'S LANDSCAPE CONCRETE, YOU GOTTA GET A PERMIT.
SO I PUT THAT IN AND THEN I WORKED FOR FPL.
SO I TRAVEL OVER THE COUNTY AND I SEE CHEEKY EVERYWHERE.
AND THEY SAID, OH YEAH, THE INDIANS PUT 'EM IN.
THEY GET A, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A, A PERMIT.
SO I PUT A CHEEKY IN WHATEVER.
I'M TRYING TO IMPROVE THE PLACE.
ANYBODY CAN GO THERE AND LOOK AT IT BECAUSE I'M FROM FLORIDA, BORN AND RAISED.
I LOVE THE MANATEES AND THE DOLPHIN WE HAVE THERE.
WELL, THE WATER WAS SLOPING GOING THROUGH GRASS.
IT'S FULL OF FERTILIZER AND GO CLIPPINGS AND EVERYTHING GOES OUT RIGHT UP INTO THE RIVER.
AND I KNOW WHAT IT DOES, THE NITROGEN.
SO I LEVELED IT UP TO TRY TO MAKE IT LOOK NICE.
I WISH I HAD PICTURES HERE TO IMPROVE THE ENVIRONMENT, BUT THEN I'M GETTING LIKE, I DON'T NOT SAY HARASSED, I'M JUST GETTING, THEY DON'T WANT ME TO DO THAT OR WHATEVER.
THEY'RE TRYING TO TELL ME THAT I GOTTA TEAR THAT OUT.
I GOTTA TEAR THE DOCK OUT, GOTTA TEAR EVERYTHING OUT.
I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE THE COMMUNITY BETTER, YOU KNOW, I LIVE HERE AND LIKE I SAID, I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN FLORIDA, SO I WANNA MAKE IT LOOK GOOD.
I'M NOT HERE TO ARGUE, PUT BLAME ON NOBODY EITHER.
IT'S, IT'S BEEN A BIG THING BETWEEN THE BUILDER AND, AND THE CITY.
THEY, YOU CAN TALK TO BOTH OF THEM AND YOU'LL SEE HOW I LEARNED IT RIGHT OFF THE BAT.
I SEEN IT AND I ASKED BOTH OF 'EM AND I SAID, JUST PLEASE, WE GOT HERE AFTERWARDS.
DON'T, DON'T TAKE IT OUT ON US.
WE, WE WEREN'T HERE FOR Y'ALL'S ALTERCATIONS.
JUST LET'S, LET'S, LET'S FIX IT.
LIKE, AND EVEN I WAS EVEN TOLD AT WON A MEETING, WELL, SOMETIMES YOU'RE ON THE LOSING TEAM.
I GO, WELL, EVERYBODY WHO'S AT THAT MEETING WAS FROM MELBOURNE.
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THE CITY EMPLOYEES, THE CITY RESIDENTS PAYING TAXES, WE'RE ALL FROM MELBOURNE.SO I, WELL, I LOOK AT IT, WE'RE ALL ON ONE TEAM, SO I DON'T SEE IT AS ME FIGHTING SOMEBODY.
I JUST DON'T LOOK AT IT THAT WAY.
UH, ANYHOW, LIKE I SAID, I JUST ASKED WHAT WE COULD DO TO FIX IT.
UM, WE TRIED, THE BUILDER TOLD US AT THE BEGINNING, DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT.
WE'LL TAKE CARE OF WHAT THE CITY, THEY DIDN'T, WE'VE BEEN COMING TO MEETINGS LIKE THREE OR FOUR TIMES AND THEY, THIS KEEPS GETTING POSTPONED.
I'M, I'M NOT SURE WHAT'S EVEN GONNA HAPPEN NOW.
UM, HAVE YOU, HAVE YOU REACHED OUT TO A STAFF MEMBER YET ABOUT IT? OR IS THIS YOUR FIRST TIME? WELL GO TO ADAM, PLEASE GO TO ADAM.
SO, AND MR. AUBREY, YOU MAY BE REFERRING TO, UM, TOMORROW EVENING'S CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD MEETING.
AND I THINK THERE'LL BE, UM, FURTHER DISCUSSION OF, OF THIS PARTICULAR ITEM THERE.
THIS HAS BEEN, UM, AN ONGOING ISSUE BETWEEN THE CITY, THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPER, PROPERTY OWNERS, SINCE ABOUT 2021.
UM, IT IS, IT IS AN ACTIVE CODE ENFORCEMENT CASE RIGHT NOW.
UM, CITY STAFF HAS BEEN VERY CAREFUL NOT TO TRY AND DICTATE EXACTLY WHAT THE SOLUTION IS TO THE PROBLEM.
WE'VE TRIED TO IDENTIFY OPTIONS AND ALTERNATIVES FOR THE DEVELOPER AND THE HOMEOWNERS TO EXPLORE.
UM, THAT'S BEEN A SLOW, A SLOW PROCESS.
I, I THINK THEY'RE, UM, THE A IS REPRESENTED BY COUNCIL.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE STILL, THEY'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THAT.
UM, AND AGAIN, RIGHT, UH, UH, MUCH WITH EVERY CODE ENFORCEMENT CASE AND OTHER THINGS, RIGHT.
STAFF WORKS TO ADMINISTER AND SEEK CODE COMPLIANCE, RIGHT? AND THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT SCHEME, THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR THIS PROJECT DID NOT ANTICIPATE WATERFRONT PROPERTIES.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT MR. AUBREY CLAIMS THAT THE, THE ORIGINAL BUILDER AND, AND, UH, DEVELOPER MADE PROMISES TO OR MADE CLAIMS OF.
THOSE ARE PROBABLY PRIVATE CIVIL MATTERS BETWEEN HIM AND AND THE DEVELOPER IN THAT REGARD.
BUT THE SUBDIVISION PLAT THAT WAS APPROVED BY COUNSEL IN 2020 DIDN'T ANTICIPATE WATERFRONT PROPERTIES.
RIGHT? AND SO WITH THESE SUBSEQUENT CHANGES, TRYING TO ADDRESS THAT AND, AND AGAIN, RIGHT, NOT TRYING TO DICTATE THAT IT GO BACK IN THE ORIGINAL CONFIGURATION, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY AN OPTION, RIGHT? BUT THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS THAT, THAT THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE HOA HAVE, AND WE'VE ENCOURAGED THOSE, THOSE PR THOSE PARTIES TO CONTINUE THOSE DISCUSSIONS AND NEGOTIATIONS TO TRY AND FIGURE OUT AN UNDERLYING SOLUTION THAT WILL COMPLY WITH CITY CODE.
MY DISTRICT, I'VE MET WITH THE, UM, UH, THE DEVELOPER A COUPLE OF TIMES.
IT LEGALESE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT HE SPEAKS.
AND I'M GONNA GIVE IT TO YOU A STRAIGHT, I'VE MET WITH THE DEVELOPER ON A NUMBER OF OCCASIONS AND HE IS, UM, UM, UH, HE'S RESISTANT TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS, AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW AS WELL TOO.
UM, THERE WERE THINGS THAT WERE DONE ON THAT PROPERTY THAT WERE, UH, WEREN'T APPROVED, UH, THE SIZE OF THE FENCES IN THE BACK, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, BETWEEN THE, BETWEEN THE UH, UH, UH, UH, THE RESIDENCE, UH, THE WATERFRONT AS WELL, THE DOCKS, YOU KNOW, WHAT WERE I, I'VE WALKED THAT PROPERTY MORE TIMES THAN I CAN PROBABLY, UH, PROBABLY WALK MY OWN PROPERTY.
UH, SO WE ARE WORKING DILIGENTLY ON THIS, AND I, AND I GET IT.
AND, AND SO IF YOU EVER WANNA CALL ANYBODY, YOU CAN CALL ME BECAUSE I'VE BEEN, UH, ON THIS FOR, FOR PROBABLY SINCE 2022 NOW, YOU KNOW, AND IT STARTED IN 2020.
SO, UM, UH, MY NAME, UH, MY NUMBER IS ON, UH, ON THE WEBSITE.
UH, IT'S MY PERSONAL CELL PHONE CALL AT ANY TIME.
I'LL MEET YOU ANYTIME, UH, THAT IS CONVENIENT FOR YOU GIVEN THAT YOU'RE OUT, YOU KNOW, DOING YOUR THING WITH FP AND L AND I'M DOING MY THING WITH THE GRANDKIDS, YOU KNOW, SO
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'LL WE, WE, WE'LL COME TO RESOLUTION ON THIS BECAUSE IT'S JUST DRAGGING OUT TOO, TOO LONG.
AND I'M SORRY THAT YOU'RE HAVING THIS, THIS EXPERIENCE BECAUSE YOU SHOULDN'T BE, YOU KNOW? SO THAT'S THE BEST I CAN OFFER YOU TONIGHT.
WE'VE GOT A LOT OF THINGS IN, IN, IN, YOU KNOW, IN THE MIX RIGHT NOW.
THE, THE, UH, BOARD MEETING TOMORROW NIGHT, YOU'LL FIND OUT MORE.
BUT, UM, WE HAVE, WE, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS BEHIND THE SCENES ON, ON A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT LEVELS.
SORRY, I HAD TO COME HERE TONIGHT.
I JUST, YOU WANNA LIVE YOUR LIFE, YOU WANT TO BUY YOUR RESIDENCE, YOU WANT TO DO YOUR THING, YOU JUST WANT TO CHILL OUT, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I GET IT.
SO WE'RE GONNA WORK HARD FOR YOU.
WE REALLY ARE ON FOR ALL PARTIES THAT, THAT LIVE THERE, OKAY? OKAY.
I APPRECIATE ALL Y'ALL'S TIME AND, AND ALL THE CITY EMPLOYEES HAVE BEEN SUPER NICE AND SUPER PROFESSIONAL, SO I DON'T HAVE NO COMPLAINT.
OF COURSE THEY ARE, I UNDERSTAND THEIR FRUSTRATION TOO.
BUT NO, THEY'VE BEEN REALLY, REALLY GREAT.
THANK, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
UM, I'M SANDRA P CAR AND I LIVE IN MELBOURNE AND I REALLY, I'M NOT SURE THAT MY QUESTIONS ARE FOR YOUR BAILEY WICK.
IT MIGHT BE FOR, UH, MORE FOR THE
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DEVELOPMENT GROUP AND ENGINEERING, BUT, UM, UH, MY INTEREST RELATES TO THE SIZE OF THE MAYFAIR PROJECT IN SOUTH MELBOURNE, UH, ALONG WITH ITS PARTNER, THE PULTE PROJECT.UM, THE, UM, THE MAYFAIR PROJECT I GATHER IS ABOUT 318,000, EXCUSE ME, 318 ACRES.
UM, AND THEN OF COURSE THE PULE ONE IS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 50 AND A HUNDRED ADDED TO THAT.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO INQUIRE, UM, IS THE COUNCIL CONSIDERING WHAT I THINK I SAW IN A HEADLINE PUTTING IN A, UH, SOME KIND OF BIG ARENA HERE IN MELBOURNE? NO.
QUIZZICAL LOOKS ARE THE RIGHT ANSWER.
UM, HOWEVER, UH, AT ONE POINT I WAS AWARE THAT THERE WAS, UH, THE POSSIBILITY OF A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE IN THE FIVE YEAR PLAN OVER CRANE CREEK.
UM, AND UM, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT IF, IF WE'RE APPROACHING A POINT WHERE TWO PROJECTS, UH, TOGETHER MIGHT BE APPROACHING 500 ACRES AND, UM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE ACREAGE IS OF INCORPORATED MELBOURNE, BUT CERTAINLY WE'RE AT THE POINT MAYBE THAT WE COULD ACTIVATE THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE PROJECT, UH, AND, AND NOT CONSIDER IT A BRIDGE TO NOWHERE, WHICH IS WHAT WAS SAID TO MY FACE AT ONE POINT.
DO YOU HAVE ANY INSIGHT INTO THAT? WELL, WE'RE GONNA BE APPROVING SOME OF THOSE PRIORITIES FOR THE CRA, LIKE THE BRIDGE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AT A LATER DATE.
UM, SO I THINK THAT THAT'LL COME UP AT A LATER DISCUSSION.
SO THAT'S CRA, THAT'S THAT, THAT THE BRIDGE CURRENTLY IS, UH, CRA PROJECT? YES.
AND THE PEOPLE THAT WILL KNOW ABOUT THE ACREAGE ON THE PULTE ARE, UM, IS THAT PLANNING? UM, WE COULD, JENNY, DO YOU WANNA, UM, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SHOULD BE ABLE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ACREAGE OF THE, UM, MAYFAIR PROJECT AND ALSO THAT THEY COULD HELP YOU WITH THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE TOO, SINCE OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT OVERSEES, UM, OR WORKS WITH OUR CRAS.
UM, I DID SPEAK WITH A, A VERY PERSONABLE PERSON, UM, AND I DID JUST WANT TO GIVE A LITTLE FEEDBACK WHERE I WAS TOLD, AND I KNOW I'VE ONLY GOT 22 SECONDS, SO I'LL SPEAK FASTER, UM, THAT APPARENTLY THE, THE COST FOR, UH, CUTTING DOWN TREES HAD BEEN INCREASED TO DEVELOPERS AS A WAY OF ENCOURAGING THEM TO KEEP TREES.
SO IF YOU HAPPEN TO PASS BY THE MAYFAIR PROJECT, YOU'LL SEE THAT THEY'VE CLEAR CUT, THEY'VE ABSOLUTELY CLEAR CUT, AND, UM, SO YOU NEED TO CHARGE MORE.
ALRIGHT, MOVING ON TO THE NEXT ITEM.
SO ITEM NUMBER 20 IS ABOUT MR. PAUL GOMAN.
IT'S A RESOLUTION OF RENAMED TRIANGLE PARK TO PAUL GOMAN PARK.
WE HAVE SOME FAMILY MEMBERS HERE IN THE AUDIENCE.
UM, IF YOU ARE ALL OBLIGED, WOULD I'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR US TO MOVE UP ITEM 20 TO OUR NEXT ITEM? PLEASE DO.
SO THAT'S, UH, I NEED A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR THAT, I BELIEVE.
ALRIGHT, RACHEL, THEN SECOND BY MS. HANLEY, OR ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED I WOULD AN AYE.
MS. LARUSSO, THIS WAS YOUR, UM, REQUEST AND I THINK IT WAS A VERY, UH, NOBLE ONE.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO KIND OF LEAD THE CHARGE OF DISCUSSION ON IT? I WOULD, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
THANK, THANK YOU, UH, FOR ALL MY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
UM, AS WE SAID, THIS IS A RESOLUTION TO RENAME TRIANGLE PARK TO PAUL GOMAN PARK.
AND I'M GONNA TAKE A, LEMME GET UP THERE.
GONNA TAKE A POINT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE RIGHT NOW, AND THANK YOU, ALL OF YOU.
UM, PAM, YOU KNOW WHY WE'RE HERE.
LOVED YOUR HUSBAND SO MANY YEARS.
WHEN YOU GET OLDER, YOU START TO REMINISCE ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE INFLUENCED YOUR LIFE.
AND PAUL INFLUENCED MINE IN SO MANY DIFFERENT WAYS.
I APOLOGIZE, YOU'D THINK OF THE WORD MENTORING.
THE DEFINITION IS VAST AND BROAD.
MY DEFINITION OF MENTORING FROM PAUL WAS ABSOLUTELY TRANSFER OF EMOTION AND CONSEQUENCES AND CONSERVATISM.
AND THAT'S WHAT HE INSTILLED IN ME EVERY STEP OF THE WAY FROM 2004 UNTIL WHERE I STAND HERE RIGHT NOW.
UM, BRIEFLY, UH, THERE'S SO MANY WORDS I WANT TO SAY, BUT SO I NARROWED IT DOWN, HOPEFULLY, UH, THAT,
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UH, ON FEBRUARY 11TH, THANK YOU, COUNSEL, WE, UH, VOTED, UH, TO RENAME TRAN PARK, PAUL OKLAHOMA PARK, AND IT'S RIGHT IN THE CENTER OF OUR ALLEY.AND THE BEAUTIFUL THING ABOUT THAT IS THAT PAUL WAS ALWAYS SO AMAZED BY THE MERGER OF ALI AND MELBOURNE IN 1969.
AND SO AT THE SERVICES, OF COURSE YOU SAW THE FLAG, YOU DESCRIBED THAT YOU SAW THE PLAQUE COMING IN.
UM, AND SO THIS PARK WITH THE RESOLUTION THAT HOPEFULLY MY, MY COUNCIL WILL APPROVE, UH, WE'LL DO A PRIVATE CEREMONY WITH FRIENDS AND FAMILY AND ANY COUNCIL MEMBER, OF COURSE THAT WANTS TO COME ANY STAFF, OF COURSE, AT A LATER DATE.
BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY A FEW WORDS ABOUT PAUL.
YOU KNOW, HE WAS, HE'S GOT A LITANY OF, UH, OF ACCOMPLISHMENTS.
HE WAS ADJUNCT PROFESSOR, UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA LAND USE WHAT? A PROFESSIONAL ADJUNCT PROFESSOR AT FIT AND WEBSTER UNIVERSITY.
HIS YEARS HERE ON COUNCIL, OUR CITY ATTORNEY WHERE ADAM SITS RIGHT NOW, 1969 UNTIL 2014, WAS JUST AMAZING FOR ME.
HE HELPED ME ALONG EVERY PART OF THE WAY.
AND WHEN YOU GUYS WERE GETTING MARRIED, AND I SAID THIS AT THE SERVICE WHO'S GIVING THE, THE, THE, UM, THE BACHELOR PARTY, PAUL? AND HE SAID, WELL, NOBODY, YOU KNOW, I, I SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST GONNA GO THROUGH IT.
WE'RE WE WILL MEET IN FORT LAUDER, WE'LL HAVE THE WEDDING AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO THEN WE PLANNED THE BACHELOR PARTY, GET ALL, YOU KNOW THIS GROUP OF FRIENDS HERE, AND I GET A CALL FROM YOU.
MARK, THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT.
PAUL WAS SUCH AN INFLUENCE ON THIS CITY AND ON ME AS WELL TOO.
SO I AM GOING TO ASK WHO WAS I? I WILL, BUT I GOTTA GET THIS RESOLUTION PASSED FIRST.
SO VICE MAYOR, UH, PAUL GILMAN WAS A, WAS A PROFESSIONAL WHEN IT CAME TO PARLIAMENTARY.
SO I'M ASKING YOU PERMISSION TO, UH, MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 43 55.
ALL RIGHT? AND I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.
DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION FROM THE COUNCIL? FULLY SUPPORTED, SEEING NONE.
IT'S OFFICIALLY PAUL GOLEMAN PARK.
PAM, YOU WANNA COME UP AND SAY A FEW WORDS? WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO BRING IT TO YOU? I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT HE NO, HE DID.
MY WIFE IS SITTING NEXT TO HER, SO IF I DON'T DO IT RIGHT, SHE'LL KICK MY BUTT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO FROM HERE.
PAM, DO YOU WANT TO, YOU WANT TO COME UP FOR A PICTURE? DO YOU JUST WANT TO SIT AND, AND CHILL? I JUST WANNA THANK, OKAY, SO WE'RE GO.
SO WE'RE GONNA FIGURE OUT THE DEDICATION DATE.
UM, AGAIN, I THANK EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU.
HOW MANY HAVE DIDN'T MEET PAUL? BE HONEST, TELL ME HOW MANY DIDN'T MEET PAUL.
HE'S AT LEAGUE OF CITIES, SO WE ALL GOT HIM.
I APPRECIATE YOUR TOLERANCE WITH ME TONIGHT.
PAUL, THE REASON WHY GOING OVER THE MELBOURNE CAUSEWAY, I AM ON THE TPO AND IT WAS ONLY GOING ONE LANE STRAIGHT FORWARD.
AND EVERY MEETING BEFORE A MEETING, PAUL WOULD COME OVER TO ME AND SAY, YOU ARE GOING TO BRING IT UP, AREN'T YOU? SO THAT THE REASON, THE REAL REASON WHY THERE'S TWO LANES GOING STRAIGHT IS BECAUSE OF PAUL GMAN GOING EVERY MEETING.
MIMI, ARE YOU GOING TO BRING IT UP AGAIN? AND IF I FORGOT, I GOT, I GOT A LITTLE NOTE.
SO FOR EVERYBODY THAT WILL ENJOYS COMING OVER THE OGA.
I'M SORRY, THE MELBOURNE CAUSEWAY WITH THE TWO LANES GOING STRAIGHT.
SEEING ON LET'S GO INTO UNFINISHED BUSINESS.
ALL WE'RE LOOKING AT ITEM NUMBER TWO.
WE HAVE REBECCA THIBERT PRESENTING ADAM'S FIRST.
THIS IS, UH, ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025 DASH 22.
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY FLORIDA, RELATING TO NATURAL GAS APPROVING AND AUTHORIZING EXECUTION OF THE NON-EXCLUSIVE FRANCHISE AGREEMENT FOR NATURAL GAS GRANTING A NON-EXCLUSIVE FRANCHISE
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FOR NATURAL GAS TO PIVOTAL UTILITY HOLDINGS, INC.OPERATING AS FLORIDA CITY GAS, PROVIDING FOR EXPIRATION OF NON-EXCLUSIVE FRANCHISE AGREEMENT SET FORTH IN ORDINANCE 93 DASH 24 AS AMENDED, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND PROVIDING FOR ADOPTION.
REBECCA T BEAR ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER.
I HAVE NOTHING TO ADD ON SECOND READING, BUT AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR REBECCA? SEEING NONE, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
DO WE HAVE ANY SIGNUP SHEETS? WE DO NOT.
I GONNA BRING IT BACK TO COUNSEL.
I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION OR DISCUSSION.
APPROVAL ORDINANCE 2025 DASH 2022.
I HAVE A MOTION BY MS. HANLEY, A SECOND BY MS. BASSETT.
ALRIGHT, ITEM NUMBER NINE, THINKING VICE MAYOR.
THIS IS ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025 DASH 23 IN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, PROVIDING FOR THE PROVISIONAL VACATION OF A TWO FOOT WIDE BY 80 FOOT LONG PORTION OF THE CANAL THAT RUNS ALONG THE REAR LOT LINES OF LOTS 58 AND 59 OF THE RIO LINDA THIRD EDITION PLAT 8 33 BROOKSIDE DRIVE AND 24 0 5 BROOKSIDE WAY, MAKING FINDINGS, PROVIDING FOR A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, PROVIDING THAT THE ORDINANCE SHALL BE RECORDED IN THE PUBLIC RECORDS OF BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND PROVIDING AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE.
WE HAVE TAMMY GILLEN PRESENTING.
GOOD EVENING VICE MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.
TAMMY GILLIN, ASSISTANT SITTING ENGINEER.
NOTHING FURTHER TO ADD THIS ITEM.
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR TAMMY? SEEING NONE, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
DID I OPEN UP A PUBLIC HEARING? DO WE HAVE ANY ASYLUM SEATS? NOPE.
THIS IS A QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING.
DO WE HAVE ANY DISCLOSURES? SEEING NONE.
ALRIGHT, I'LL BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL VICE MAYOR SIR.
WORKED ON THIS FOR A LOT OF YEARS.
APPROVAL OF, UH, APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025 DASH 23.
ALRIGHT, I GOT AN ORDINANCE BY MR. LARUSSO, A SECOND BY MS. BASSETT.
SO THIS WAS A DISCUSSION THAT WAS MOVED UP FROM LAST MEETING.
WE ALSO DON'T HAVE MS. KENNEDY.
UM, IF Y'ALL ARE INTERESTED, I'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO PUNT THIS TO THE NEXT MEETING, IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT, MARCUS? YES.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE THAT MOTION? YEAH.
UH, VICE MAYOR I, I MOTION THAT WE MOVE DISCUSSION ITEM ON THE CITY'S LAND DEVELOPMENT PERMITTING PROCESS TO THE NEXT, UH, MEETING IN JUNE 2ND.
ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION BY MR. UH, MR. SMITH, A SECOND BY MS. BASSETT.
ALRIGHT, ITEM NUMBER 11, WAIT.
OH, JENNIFER SPAGNOLI, UM, PUBLIC WORKS AND UTILITIES DIRECTOR.
AND THIS TASK ORDER IS, UM, RIVER, UM, HYDRAULIC MODELING AND PERMITTING FOR LIFT STATION 63.
FORCE MAIN, THE CONSTRUCTION ADMINISTRATION SERVICES.
UH, WE'VE PREVIOUSLY HIRED, WE HAVE A CONTINUING CONTRACT WITH CHA CONSULTING AND WE HAVE ALREADY PREVIOUS TASK ORDERS TO COMPLETE THE DESIGN OF THE FORCE MAIN REPLACEMENT AND WE'RE CURRENTLY OBTAINING PERMITS.
UM, THE PROJECT WILL BE BID ONCE THE PERMITS HAVE BEEN OBTAINED AND UM, THIS IS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION ADMINISTRATION SERVICES TO THE CONTRACTS.
SO THE CONTRACT WITH CHA EXPIRES IN JUNE AND BIDDING PROBABLY WON'T START TILL JULY.
SO THAT'S WHY THIS IS COMING BEFORE YOU.
TYPICALLY WE BRING IT, UM, WHEN WE ARE AWARDING THE PROJECT, BUT WE WANT TO KEEP THE SAME CONSULTANT.
WE DON'T KNOW WHO THE NEXT CONTINUING CONSULTANT WILL BE.
SO, UM, THIS IS JUST, UM, FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO STAY ON BOARD AND GO THROUGH THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS WITH US.
AND, UH, FUNDING IS AVAILABLE IN THE IMPROVEMENT BUDGET FOR THE PROJECT AND JUST REQUESTING APPROVAL OF TASK ORDER CHA 0 3 0, UH, FOR LIFT STATION 63 SEWER FORCE MAIN CONSTRUCTION ADMINISTRATION SERVICES PROJECT 3 2, 3 2 1 IN THE AMOUNT OF A LUMP SUM FEE OF $69,256.
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. OLI? SEEING NONE.
ALRIGHT, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, UH, VICE MAYOR.
UM, COMMEND APPROVAL OF TASK ORDER NUMBER, UH, CHA, UH, 0 3 0 TO CHA CONSULTANT INC.
WHICH IS SPRINGS, FLORIDA FOR LS 63 SEWER FORCE MAIN REPLACEMENT CONSTRUCTION AND ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES.
MOUTHFUL, PROJECT NUMBER 3, 2 3 2 1 IN THE AMOUNT OF A LUMP SUM FEE OF $69,256.
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OKAY, I HAVE A MOTION.DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, SECOND BY MR. SMITH.
ALRIGHT, ITEM NUMBER 12, TAMMY.
GOOD EVENING, VICE MAYOR AGAIN.
UM, THIS ITEM IS BROUGHT BEFORE YOU FOR APPROVAL OF AN ESSAY NUMBER ONE TO THE LAP AGREEMENT FOR THE STONE MAGNET MIDDLE SCHOOL SAFE REST SCHOOL.
UM, ON NOVEMBER 26TH, THE CITY ADOPTED RESOLUTION 43 11 WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE, UH, LAP AGREEMENT FOR 1,000,020 3,610 OF FEDERAL FUNDS TO THE PROJECT.
ON APRIL 22ND OF THIS YEAR, COUNCIL APPROVED A CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT TO WT COMP OF CASTLEBERRY FOR THE, FOR EIGHT 57,861 AND 69.
AT THAT MEETING, STAFF NOTED, UH, THAT A MODIFICATION TO LAP AGREEMENT WOULD BE FORTHCOMING TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF THE FEDERAL FUNDING TO EQUAL THE CONTRACT AMOUNT.
AND THAT'S THE LAP, UH, ESSAY NUMBER ONE BEFORE YOU.
UH, THE FIRST RESOLUTION AUTHORIZES THE APPROVAL OF THE ESSAY NUMBER ONE TO THE LAP AGREEMENT AND PROVIDES AUTHORIZATION FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE AGREEMENT.
AND THE SECOND RESOLUTION IS FOR THE, UH, IMPLEMENTATION OF A, OF A BUDGET ADJUSTMENT TO THE CITY'S BUDGET, UM, FOR THE STONE MAGNET MIDDLE SRTS PROJECT.
WITH THAT, I'M OPEN TO QUESTIONS.
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. GALEN? SEEING NONE, JUST, I'M JUST VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT IN GENERAL.
UM, I, UH, ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, UH, DOES ANYBODY WANNA MAKE A MOTION? UH, GO AHEAD.
APPROVAL OF MAYOR, VICE MAYOR APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION 43 51 SECOND.
ALRIGHT, I'VE GOT A MOTION BY MS. HANLEY, A SECOND BY MS. BASSETT.
UH, ANOTHER, UH, MOTION VICE MAYOR APPROVAL, SIR.
APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION NUMBER 43 52.
ALL WE HAVE A MOTION BY MR. LARUSSO, A SECOND BY MR. SMITH.
I HAVE NUMBER 13, MS. GALEN'S, BACK UP.
SO THIS ITEM IS A PROFESSIONAL SERVICES CONTRACT AWARD FOR SCALOR CONSULTING GROUP AT WEST PALM BEACH, FLORIDA FOR AN ALTERNATIVE CORRIDOR EVALUATION OF THE NORFOLK PARKWAY WESTERN EXTENSION AND ASSOCIATED RESOLUTIONS.
SO, PURPOSE IN THE OBJECTIVE OF THE ALTERNATIVE CORRIDOR EVALUATION, ALSO KNOWN AS AN ACE, UH, IS TO IDENTIFY THE PURPOSE AND NEED OF A NEW ROADWAY ALIGNMENT THAT WILL EXTEND FROM THE CURRENT TERMINUS OF THE NORTHFOLK, UH, PARKWAY TO SOME UNDER LOCATION ALONG THE ST.
YOU SEE THE MAP UP ON YOUR SCREEN.
UH, THIS IS A HIGH LEVEL STUDY, UH, THAT WILL PROVIDE A PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE THAT CAN BE USED FOR THE NEXT PHASE OF THE PROJECT, WHICH IS THE PD AND E, OR ALSO KNOWN AS THE PROJECT DEVELOPMENT ENVIRONMENTAL PHASE.
THE ACE WILL DOCUMENT THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINTS.
THE PUL, UH, PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC OUTREACH AND COORDINATION, UH, WITH THE VARIOUS AGENCIES AND STAKEHOLDERS.
AND, UM, UH, AND THE, THE, UH, PD AND E THE RIGHT OF WAY PHASE.
THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION PHASES, UH, ARE UNFUNDED AT THIS TIME.
HOWEVER, UH, THE ACE STUDY WILL, UH, ALLOW US TO PURSUE THOSE FUNDS IN THE FUTURE.
UH, SHOULD, SHOULD THE PROJECT MOVE FORWARD INTO PD AND E SO THAT, THAT'S THE REAL BENEFIT OF THIS IN, IN, UM, GETTING A LOT OF THOSE, UH, CHECK MARKS IF, IF YOU WILL, UM, ON THAT, UH, FEDERAL GRANT PROCESS.
SO ON NOVEMBER 12TH, 2024, CITY COUNCIL AUTHORIZED STAFF TO NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT WITH THE SCALER CONSULTING GROUP, UH, FOR THE PROJECT.
AND THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION HAS REVIEWED THE CITY'S PROCESS AND NEGOTIATIONS PROCESS, AND THEY SUPPORT THE CITY'S RECOMMENDATION TO AWARD THE CONTRACT TO SCALER CONSULTING GROUP.
AND THE CONSULTANT IS HERE, UM, TO, UH, TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE THEM.
UM, THE CITY NEGOTIATED FINAL CONTRACT AMOUNT OF 7 48, 2 46 AND 75 WITH THE SCALER CONSULTING GROUP.
SINCE THE CONTRACT VALUE IS LOWER THAN THE BUDGETED AMOUNT, ONCE AGAIN, AN ESSAY OR SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENT NUMBER ONE IS NECESSARY TO REFLECT THAT CONTRACT AMOUNT ATTACHED BEFORE YOU IS SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENT NUMBER ONE, AND A
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RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE AGREEMENT SUBSTANTIALLY IN THE FORM AS PRESENTED.IN ADDITION TO THE 750,000 THAT WAS ESTIMATED AND AND APPROPRIATED IN THE CITY'S FISCAL YEAR 2025 ADOPTED BUDGET, A RESOLUTION TO REDUCE THAT AMOUNT TO THE APPROPRIATED, UH, CONTRACT VALUE IS NECESSARY.
SO WITH THAT WOULD ASK COUNSEL FOR APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION 43 53, A LOCAL, UH, AGENCY PROGRAM, SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENT NUMBER ONE WITH FDOT FOR AN ACE STUDY OF THE NORFOLK PARKWAY EXTENSION, SUBSTANTIALLY IN THE FORM AS PRESENTED AND AUTHORIZATION FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE AGREEMENT.
UH, ALSO REQUESTING APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION NUMBER 43 54, IMPLEMENTING A BUDGET ADJUSTMENT AND, UM, FOR THE ALTERNATIVE CORRIDOR EVALUATION OF THE NORTHROP PARKWAY PARKWAY EXTENSION, PROJECT NUMBER 1 4 0 2 0.
AND LASTLY, RECOMMEND A WORD OF CONTRACT TO THE S SCALER CONSULTING GROUP, WEST PALM BEACH, FLORIDA FOR PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING SERVICES.
FOR THE ALTERNATIVE COURT ORDER EVALUATION OF THE NORTHFOLK PARKWAY WESTERN EXTENSION PROJECT NUMBER 1 4 0 2 OH IN THE AMOUNT OF 748,246 AND 75.
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. GILL, SIR? YES, VICE MAYOR.
UH, THANK YOU TAMMY, FOR PRESENTING THAT.
UH, WHAT IS THE BIG PICTURE PERCEIVED BENEFIT OF THE EXTENSION OF THE NORFOLK PARKWAY? SO THE BENEFIT OF THAT IS THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF GROWTH IN THIS AREA.
AS YOU KNOW, ALL MAY BE AWARE PALM BAY IS GROWING SIGNIFICANTLY.
UM, THIS IS THE WESTERN PART OF THE CITY, IF YOU WILL.
THERE'S A LOT OF UNDEVELOPED LAND IN THIS AREA, A LOT OF FARMLAND.
UH, THERE ARE A LOT OF, UM, INTERESTED STAKEHOLDERS THAT ARE, UM, DEVELOPING IN THIS AREA.
SO WE WANNA BE PREPARED FOR THE FUTURE AND HAVE, UH, BE READY TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS AREA IN TERMS OF WHERE WOULD AN ALIGNMENT BE THE MOST BENEFICIAL TO HAVE THE LEAST IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT AND THE MOST BENEFIT FOR FROM A TRAFFIC CAPACITY STANDPOINT.
SO DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? IT DOES.
AND THEN MY SECOND QUESTION IS, WHAT, HOW LONG DOES A A ACE STUDY TYPICALLY TAKE, OR WHAT'S THE TIMEFRAME? SO AN ACE STUDY WILL TYPICALLY TAKE ANYWHERE FROM 12 TO 18 MONTHS.
IT SEEMS LIKE A LONG TIME, BUT WE REALLY DO HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
IT'S A VERY ARDUOUS PROCESS THAT THE DOT HAS THAT WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH.
UM, BUT, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH IT AND WE'RE GONNA FOLLOW THE PROCESS AND, BUT THAT'S TYPICALLY HOW LONG IT TAKES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MS. GILLEN? YES, MA'AM, SIR? UH, NOT A QUESTION, BUT I JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW THAT THOSE IDENTIFIED PROPERTIES OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, THE RANCHES THAT WE FOUGHT, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR ANNEXATION AND FOR THE, FOR THE, UH, EXTENSION OF, YOU KNOW, THE GROWTH OF MELBOURNE, RIGHT? UM, IT A GREAT JOB.
I, I REALLY, UH, SO HARD TO ACCOMPLISH, SO HARD TO GET THROUGH THIS STUFF.
AND THEN THE RANCH OWNERS, OF COURSE, AND THE, AND THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT ARE OUT THERE, AND THE ANNEXATION PROCESS FOR OUT THERE WAS, WAS HARD.
SO, UH, THANK YOU FOR THIS HARD WORK ON THIS.
I, YOU KNOW, SOUTH OF NEW HAVEN AND THEN NORTH OF NEW HAVEN.
I WON'T NAME THE RANCHES BECAUSE THEY ALREADY KNOW WHO THEY ARE, BUT, UH, UH, THIS IS A LEGACY FOR, FOR SOME WHO CAME BEFORE ME.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEE DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION 43 53 SECOND.
ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION BY MS. HANLEY, A SECOND BY MS. BASSETT.
I HAVE A MOTION BY MS. HANLEY, A SECOND BY MS. BASSETT.
YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO SAY AFTER YOU SECOND SOMETHING.
CAN WE, CAN WE QUICKLY JUST CLARIFY THAT WAS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THAT RESOLUTION? YEAH.
DO YOU WANT, WOULD YOU LIKE US TO IT'S ALL RIGHT.
JUST WANT IS ALL I HEARD WAS THE RESOLUTION NUMBER RIGHT? DIDN'T HERE.
I, YOU KNOW, THOSE, THOSE AREN'T, THOSE AREN'T LEGAL REQUIREMENTS.
APPROVAL OF, OF A CONTRACT AWARD TO THIS SCHOLAR, SCHOLAR CON CONSULTING GROUP, LLC, UH, WEST PALM BEACH, FLORIDA FOR THE PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING SERVICES FOR THE ALTERNATIVE CORRIDOR EVACUATION OF THE NORTH EVALUATION OF THE NOR FORK PARKWAY
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WESTERN EXTENSION PROJECT NUMBER 1 4 0 2 0 AND THE AMOUNT OF $748,246 AND 75 CENTS.SECOND
GOOD JOB, MS. I WENT A LITTLE SMOOTHER.
ITEM NUMBER 14, WE HAVE MS. DANNY RAUB.
MY NAME'S DANNY RAUB AND I AM THE OTHER ASSISTANT CITY ENGINEER.
UM, THIS ITEM IS FOR THE UTILITY UPGRADE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE WEST DRIVE AUTO LLC.
THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DEVELOPING A PIECE OF PROPERTY OUT OFF OF WEST DRIVE.
THE CITY HAS HAD A HISTORICAL, UM, UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT AS OCCURS OUT THERE TO EXTEND THE SEWER AT A GREATER DEPTH THAN WHAT EACH INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY WOULD NEED, THEREFORE ALLOWING US TO EXTEND THAT SEWER AND THAT IN ONE DISTRICT TO, UH, HOPEFULLY GET THOSE PROPERTIES OFF OF SEPTIC TANKS OR PREVENT THEM FROM GOING ON SEPTIC TANKS AS THEY MOVE FORWARD.
SO, UM, THIS AGREEMENT IS THE COST DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT IT'D COST FOR THEM TO JUST TO BUILD IT JUST TO THEIR PROPERTY VERSUS, UM, GOING SLIGHTLY DEEPER TO AT ABOUT A 12 FOOT DEPTH TO ALLOW FOR US TO BE ABLE TO EXTEND THAT SEWER TO THE NEXT PARCEL AS IT CONTINUES DOWN THE ROAD.
UM, SO, UM, WE ARE ASKING FOR APPROVAL OF THE CREATION OF A NEW PROJECT, THE WEST DRIVE INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE SEWER MAIN UPGRADES, PROJECT NUMBER 3 2 5 2 5, AND A BUDGET TRANSFER OF $101,465 AND 60 CENTS FROM THE WATER SEWER PROJECTS.
UNAPPROPRIATED BUDGET SAVINGS PROJECT NUMBER 3 0 0 9 9 TO THE PROJECT.
AND THEN RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE UTILITY UPGRADE AGREEMENT WITH THE WEST DRIVE AUTO LLC AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGERS TO EXECUTE THE AGREEMENT AS SUBSTANTIALLY IN THE FORM AS ATTACHED AND REIMBURSE THE WEST DRIVE L AUTO LLC, IN THE AMOUNT OF $101,465 AND 60 CENTS.
ALRIGHT, ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. STRO? SEEING NONE DISCUSSION, SEEING NONE, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
VICE MAYOR MA'AM, THE CREATION OF WEST DRIVE INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE SERVICE, MAIN UPGRADES PROJECT, UM, AND THE BUDGET TRANSFER OF $101,465 AND 60 CENTS FROM THE WATER AND SEWER PROJECT'S.
UNAPPROPRIATED BUDGET SAVING PROJECT.
ALRIGHT, WE GOT A MOTION BY MS. HANLEY, SECOND BY MR. LARUSSO.
APPROVAL OF UTILITY UPGRADE AGREEMENT WITH WEST DRIVE AUTO LLC AND THE AUTHORIZATION FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE AGREEMENT AS SUBSTANTIALLY IN THE, IN THE FORM AS IN THE AGENDA PACKAGE.
MOTION BY MS. HANLEY, SECOND BY MS. BASSETT.
AND THE MOTION PACK PASSES GOING ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.
DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE.
UM, UH, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF CONSENTS AGENDA A THROUGH C.
ALRIGHT, I GOT A MOTION BY MR. RUSSO, SECOND BY MS. BASSETT.
AND THE MOTION PASSES NUMBER 17, ADAM.
THIS IS, UH, ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025 DASH 24 IN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, PROVIDING FOR THE ANNEXATION OF 0.50 PLUS OR MINUS ACRES OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF MILLER LANE IN TRIMBLE ROAD INTERSECTION WEST OF, UH, LITTON ROAD AND EAST OF TROLLEY AVENUE 9 53 MILLER LANE, PROVIDING FOR THE EXTENSION OF THE CORPORATE LIMITS AND BOUNDARIES THEREOF, PROVIDING THAT THIS ORDINANCE SHALL BE RECORDED IN THE PUBLIC RECORDS OF BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND PROVIDING AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE.
IT'S TOGETHER WITH ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025 DASH 25 IN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, RELATING TO COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING, MAKING FINDINGS AMENDING APPENDIX D CHAPTER FOUR, SECTION 4.04 OF THE CITY CODE AMENDING THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BY ESTABLISHING A LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL FUTURE LAND USE MAP CLASSIFICATION ON 0.50 PLUS OR MINUS ACRES OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE MILLER LANE, TRIMBLE ROAD INTERSECTION WEST OF LINTON ROAD AND EAST OF CHARLIE AVENUE.
9 53 MILLER LANE, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND PROVIDING AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE.
TOGETHER WITH ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025 DASH 26, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP AS IT RELATES TO GENERAL ZONING.
ORDINANCE NUMBER 2005 DASH ONE 20 BY ESTABLISHING R ONE A SINGLE FAMILY LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL ZONING ON A 0.50 PLUS OR MINUS ACRE PROPERTY LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF MILLER LANE AND TRIMBLE ROAD INTERSECTION WEST OF LINTON ROAD AND EAST OF CHARLIE AVENUE 9 53 MILLER LANE, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND PROVIDING AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE.
ALRIGHT, PRESENTING ON THIS IS MRS. DIMMER.
SO THIS IS THE FIRST READ OF THREE READINGS OF ORDINANCES THIS
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EVENING.UM, ONE ANNEXING THE HALF ACRE PARCEL.
UM, SECOND ONE ESTABLISHING A LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL FUTURE LAND USE.
AND THIRD, AN R ONE, A ZONING DISTRICT FOR THE PROPERTY.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF, UH, MILLER LANE IN TRIMBLE ROAD, UM, WEST OF LIGHTEN IN EAST OF TULLEY AVENUE.
UPON ANNEXATION, THE PROPERTY, UM, WILL BE LOCATED WITHIN COUNCIL DISTRICT FIVE.
UH, THE PROPERTY OWNERS REQUESTED, UM, ANNEXATION, UM, INTO THE CITY SUBMITTED THE REQUIRED VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION PETITION IN ORDER TO CONNECT TO THE CITY'S WATER SYSTEM.
UH, CITY DOES REQUIRE THAT PROPERTY OWNERS THAT ARE CONTIGUOUS TO OUR BOUNDARIES, UM, APPLY FOR ANNEXATION PRIOR TO RECEIVING CITY SERVICES.
UM, THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY HAS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON THE, THE ONE HALF ACRE.
THE PROPOSED LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL FUTURE LAND USE THAT ALLOWS UP TO SIX UNITS PER ACRE IS EQUIPPED IDENTICALLY TO THE COUNTY'S RESIDENTIAL SIX UNITS PER ACRE THAT'S CURRENTLY ALLOWED.
ADDITIONALLY, THE LOT SIZE IS SIMILAR AND IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY'S R ONE A ZONING DISTRICT, UH, SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY, UM, TO THE NORTH, SOUTH AND TO THE EAST, UM, ARE UH, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
AND TO THE WEST OF THE PROPERTY IS A CHURCH.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD DID VOTE UNANIMOUSLY TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUESTS AND STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025 DASH 24, ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025 DASH 25 IN ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025 DASH 26, ALL BASED UPON THE FINDINGS IN, UM, CONTAINED WITHIN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEMORANDUM.
BEFORE MOVING FORWARD, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MRS. DEMER? I DO, MA'AM.
I, THE OWNER, IT WAS, UH, VOL.
UM, OWNER VAL TER TRINA TDA D LACOSTA SLASH DUMP CLEAN LC YOUR NOT YOUR NAME ISN'T WEIRD, DON'T WORRY.
WELL, I ARE, YOU ARE, ARE YOU CARLOS REESE? WELL, HE, HE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK UNDER, UM, THE PUBLIC COMMENT BOARD BECAUSE I, THAT'S WHAT I WAS KIND OF A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT.
IT WAS THE DUMP CLEAN LLC THERE, I MEAN, ARE WE PUTTING A DUMP HERE? CAN'T HAVE A DUMP SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT'S, IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW THAT I DO READ THESE THINGS AND IT WAS KIND OF LIKE DUMP CLEAN.
I WAS KIND OF LIKE, WHAT ARE WE DUMP IN THERE, YOU KNOW, TO PUT THAT ON THERE AS JUST THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER NAME INFORMATION THAT'S INCLUDED.
AND JUST FOR, JUST FOR CLARITY ZONE ZONING, WHAT R ONE A THAT'S FOR RESIDENTIAL PURPOSES ONLY, NOT COMMERCIAL THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
ANY OTHER, SIR? UH, REAL QUICK, CINDY, UH, I MAY HAVE MISSED PART OF, UH, YOUR CONVERSATION, BUT, UH, SEWER AND WATER OR WE'RE OUT THERE, WATER IS AVAILABLE, UM, TO THE PROPERTY.
SEWER IS NOT, UM, THE PROPERTIES IN THIS AREA, UM, ARE SEPTIC HAS HAVE BEEN ON SEPTIC FOR, FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
IS THERE ANY, IS THERE ANY PLANS FOR SEWER GOING OUT AS WE GROW WESTWARD, WESTWARD, HO, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, BACK IN THE DAY, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL TIMES ABOUT SEWER.
UM, IT'S A, IT'S PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT, UM, DIFFICULT FROM A CONFINEMENT STANDPOINT AND THE, THE RIGHT OF WAY AND THE CANALS THAT ARE OUT THERE.
AND WE WOULD WANT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BUY-IN OF THE RESIDENTS OUT THERE TO SOME EXTENT.
UH, 'CAUSE THAT'LL BE A LARGE COST, UM, YOU KNOW, ON THE, THE RESIDENTS TO BRING SEWER OUT THERE.
WELL I ASK AND BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WE, WE IDENTIFY A LOT OF DIFFERENT SEPTIC TO SEWER, UH, PROJECTS WITHIN OUR CITY AND I JUST WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, REESTABLISH, YOU KNOW, FROM MY OWN MIND, YOU KNOW WHAT WE HAVE OUT THERE.
WE ANALYZE THIS AREA PER THE NEW STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS AND IT DIDN'T MEET THE REQUIREMENT.
UM, THAT THIS IS AN AREA THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO, TO SURE.
SO EVENTUALLY I WON'T BE ALIVE, BUT EVENTUALLY, YEAH, BECAUSE THERE'S STILL A LOT OF UNINCORPORATED OUT HERE AS WELL.
SO SOME IS WITHIN THE CITY, BUT THERE'S STILL A GOOD PART THAT'S UNINCORPORATED.
I, UH, HOPEFULLY WELCOME TO THE CITY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MRS. DITMER? SEEING NONE, I'M GONNA OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE HAVE MR. CARLOS REESE OF DUMP CLEAN.
DO YOU WANNA SPEAK ON ANYTHING? NO.
YOU'RE JUST HERE IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. CARLOS REESE WHILE HE HAS OFFERED TO SPEAK? SEEING NONE, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I'M GONNA DO A QUASI-JUDICIAL DISCLOSURE.
ANYTHING THAT WE HAVE TO DISCLOSE, GUYS? SEEING NONE.
ALRIGHT, I'M GONNA BRING IT BACK TO COUNSEL.
ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
MAYOR, VICE MAYOR APPROVAL ORDINANCE 2025 DASH 24 BASED UPON THE FINDINGS CONTAINED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.
ALL RIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION BY MS. HANLEY, A SECOND BY MS. BASSETT.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED A VOTE? AYE.
AND THE MOTION PASSES ANOTHER MOTION.
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APPROVAL ORDINANCE 2025 DASH 25 BASED UPON THE FINDINGS CONTAINED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION BY MS. HANLEY, A SECOND BY MS. BASSETT.
AND THE MOTION PASSES ANOTHER MOTION APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE 2025 DASH 26 BASED UPON THE FINES CONTAINED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.
ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION BY MS. HANLEY, A SECOND BY MS. BASSETT.
THIS IS ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025 DASH 27.
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY FLORIDA.
AMENDING REGULATIONS AND USE STANDARDS RELATED TO ACCESSORY DWELLINGS IN THE RURAL ESTATE.
UH, REU ZONING, DISTRICT MAKING FINDINGS AMENDING APPENDIX B OF THE CITY CODE ENTITLED ZONING AMENDING ARTICLE FIVE, DISTRICT REGULATIONS AMENDING ARTICLE SIX, USE STANDARDS PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND INTERPRETATION, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND PROVIDING AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE.
UH, PRESENTING IS MRS. DIMMER, CINDY? YES.
UH, SO THIS IS THE FIRST STREAM IN ORDINANCE, UM, AMENDING CITY CO APPENDIX D, ARTICLE FIVE AND ARTICLE SIX AS IT RELATES TO ACCESSORY DWELLINGS WITHIN THE REU ZONING DISTRICT.
SO EARLIER THIS YEAR, UM, CITY COUNCIL DID ADOPT AN ORDINANCE THAT ALLOWED A MOBILE HOME AS A PERMITTED ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT IN THE A EU DISTRICT.
AND THEN IN APRIL, UM, COUNCIL GAVE STAFF DIRECTION AFTER SOME CONCERNS FROM THE RURAL RESIDENTIAL AREA, UM, ABOUT THE A EU UM, REZONING ALLOWANCE.
UM, COUNCIL PROVIDED DIRECTION TO MAKE THE SAME ALLOWANCE WITHIN THE REU ZONING DISTRICT TO ALLOW THIS, UM, ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT THAT COULD BE A MOBILE HOME UNIT.
SO THAT'S THE ORDINANCE, UM, THAT IS BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING.
UM, WE, WE DID, UM, USE THE SAME USE STANDARDS THAT WE, UH, PROPOSED FOR THE A EU ZONING.
UM, IT REQUIRES A TWO AND A HALF ACRE MINIMUM, UH, SITE, SO IT WON'T BE A SMALL, OUR REU COULD BE A ONE ACRE SITE OR LARGER.
UM, SO YOU'LL HAVE TO HAVE TWO AND A HALF ACRES.
UH, WE DID UTILIZE, UM, USE STANDARDS AND SETBACKS SIMILAR TO THE A EU, UM, DISTRICT AS WELL.
SO ESSENTIALLY A EU AND REU WILL BOTH HAVE AN ALLOWANCE FOR A, AN EXCEPT DWELLING UNIT.
THAT COULD BE THE TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION THAT WOULD BE A MOBILE HOME UNIT.
UM, THE, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD DID REVIEW AND VOTED UNANIMOUSLY, UM, TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
THE ORDINANCE AND STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025 DASH 27 BASED UPON THE FINDINGS CONTAINED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEMORANDUM.
UM, ONE QUICK QUESTION, MR. DIMMER.
I REMEMBER THIS WAS, UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF NEIGHBORS SURROUNDING IT.
DID ANY OF THEM COME AND SPEAK TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD WHILE WE WERE GOING THROUGH THIS OR DID THEY, DID YOU GET ANY UP, DOWN LEFT? RIGHT.
A FEW OF THEM HAVE PAID A LITTLE BIT OF A ATTENTION.
BUT, UM, THEY DID NOT, THEY DID NOT SPEAK AT P AND Z BOARD.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW, ADAM, IF ANY ANYBODY SHOOT SHOWED UP.
I DON'T RECALL THERE BEING A SUBSTANTIAL NUMBER OR, OR ANY REALLY, TO MY RECOLLECTION.
TO BE FAIR, PLEASE, PLEASE REMEMBER AND NOTE THAT THE NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS FOR A TEXT AMENDMENT SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT FROM SURE.
A PROPERTY SPECIFIC REZONING APPLICATION.
SO, UM, MUCH AS IT WAS A PART OF THE DISCUSSION AT COUNCIL AND, AND HEARD COUNCIL'S DIRECTION TO, UM, TAKE THIS ACTION TO, TO PROPOSE A TEXT AMENDMENT, UM, THOSE, THOSE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES MAY NOT, UM, BE, AS YOU KNOW, MAY HAVE RECEIVED THE SAME TYPE OF NOTIFICATION ABOUT COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION OF, OF THIS ITEM.
AND WE HAD A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING, AND I SAY WE, COUNCIL MEMBER KENNEDY HAD A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING, AND BOTH CINDY AND I ATTENDED THAT MEETING.
AND THE RESIDENTS THAT WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE A U ZONING SAID WHOLEHEARTEDLY, IF YOU PUT THIS, IF YOU KEEP THE ZONING AS REU AND ALLOW THE, THE MOBILE HOME AND THE RU, WE WILL SUPPORT THAT ALL DAY.
AND THEY, AND SO IN FACT, MULTIPLE PEOPLE SAID THAT AT THAT MEETING.
AND I THINK THEY MAYBE EVEN SAID THAT AT COUNCIL.
THEY, I'M NOT SURE IF THEY EXPRESSED IT THAT CLEARLY AT THE, AT THE APRIL COUNCIL MEETING.
SO THEY, THEY DID LET US KNOW BACK THEN THAT THEY WERE NOT OPPOSED TO ALLOWING IT IN OUR EU.
THEY WERE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT IT STAYING, YEAH.
AND JUST IN THE ABSENCE OF, UH, COUNCILWOMAN KENNEDY TODAY, I FIGURED I'D JUST MAKE SURE THAT YEAH.
UM, MR. SMITH, DID YOU HAVE A HAND UP? YOU WANT OH, DID YOU WANT, OH, REAL QUICK.
DID, DID, UM, I DO ADVISE, UH, CHANGING THE SETBACKS, UH, FOR THIS, UH, PROCESS.
DID, DID THAT CHANGE THE MINDS OF THE NEIGHBORS THAT WERE OUT WEST? NO, BECAUSE THAT, THAT WAS SOMETHING WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE, AT THE, UM, YOU KNOW, SORT OF NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING THAT THEY, THEY ARE LARGER SETBACKS, THE SAME AS IN AAU, AND I CAN TELL YOU THE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT IN, I'M SORRY, IT WAS AN INFLUENCER FOR THEM TO, TO, UH, SUPPORT THE AUXILIARY, UM, BUILDING BY, BY INCREASING
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THE SETBACKS.WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S MY QUESTION.
THE NIG, THE, THE NEIGHBORS I THINK WERE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THE ACCESSORY, UM, DWELLING UNIT, IF IT'S A MOBILE HOME, UM, WOULD BE A 50 FOOT FRONT SETBACK, UM, SIDE CORNER 50 AS WELL IN SIDE INTERIOR LOT 30 FEET AND REAR 40 FEET.
SO, YOU KNOW, A SUBSTANTIAL, IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S A FIVE OR 10 FOOT SETBACK, UM, RIGHT.
SO THEN MY LAST QUESTION THEN, IF I MAY SURE, OF COURSE.
IF I MAY, THEN, UH, DOES THE POTENTIAL A, DID THE, DOES THE APPLICANT AND THE POTENTIAL COME BEFORE BE COMING BEFORE US IF THIS PASSES, WILL THAT PROPERTY OWNER HAVE TO MOVE THAT AUXILIARY BUILDING? NO.
NO, IT'S LOCATED IN A, IN A LOCATION THAT WOULD MEET ALL THESE PARAMETERS.
WE, WE HAD LOOKED AT THAT PREVIOUSLY WHEN IT HAD HAD COME IN.
SO, BUT ANY NEW BUILDINGS GOING UP WOULD HAVE TO MEET THE, THE NEW SETBACK REGULATIONS.
AND, AND SO IN, IN THIS THAT SPECIFIC SITE CASE, THEY WILL BUILD THEIR NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOME, AND THEN THIS WILL BE ALLOWED TO REMAIN AS THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT.
AND IT WILL MEET THESE STANDARDS THAT YOU HAVE IN THIS ORDINANCE.
SO MY TWO QUESTIONS REAL QUICK.
THERE WAS A LOT SAID ABOUT THE ANIMALS AT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
SO HOW WAS THAT RECTIFIED AND HOW WAS THAT CLEARED UP BETWEEN THE TWO ZONING? SO, REU AND A EU ARE VERY DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS THAN YOUR R ONE A, YOU KNOW, ZONING.
THEY ALREADY HAVE ALLOWANCES, UM, WITHIN CITY CODE ABOUT THE TYPES OF ANIMALS.
AND WHAT WE DID FIND OUT IN THAT WHOLE PROCESS IS WE DO NEED TO GO BACK AND REFINE THAT A LITTLE BIT.
UM, THERE WERE SOME THINGS DESCRIBED IN A LOT OF DETAIL ABOUT THE TYPES OF ANIMALS AND THE AMOUNT OF LAND, AND THEN OTHER THINGS THAT REALLY WEREN'T DESCRIBED SUCH AS CHICKENS.
UM, AND SO WE HAVE DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, PERMITTING REQUIREMENTS THAT WE ALREADY WERE UNDERGOING, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THE CITY FOR CHICKENS.
SO WE ARE WORKING ON AN ORDINANCE TO BRING BACK TO COUNCIL THAT WILL VERY MUCH, UM, HELP EU AND A EU STANDALONE AND DESCRIBE, UM, MORE THOROUGHLY THE TYPES OF ANIMALS.
UM, WHICH, WHICH BRINGS TO MY SECOND QUESTION NOW, WITH THIS CHANGE, WHAT WOULD BE SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHT DIFFERENCES BETWEEN A EU AND REU? WHAT ARE SOME OF THE, WHAT ARE THE DISTINCT DIFFERENCES? THE, THE DIFFERENCES? THERE'S, YOU KNOW, REU IS A ONE ACRE MINIMUM LOT SIZE.
SO YOU HAVE A DIFFERENCE IN LOT SIZE.
UM, THERE ARE DIFFERENCE ALLOWANCES IN THE AGRICULTURAL A EU ZONING THAT YOU DO NOT GET IN THE REU, HOWEVER I SAY THAT.
AND, AND I DON'T HAVE ALL THAT IN, IN FRONT OF ME THIS EVENING.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY MENTIONED LIKE A HOG FARM THAT'S ALLOWED IN A EU, UM, BUT IT REQUIRES AT LEAST 10 ACRES IN SIZE.
SO NONE OF THOSE THINGS ARE ALLOWED IN THE REU DISTRICT.
THE REU DISTRICT, YOU CAN THINK OF AS, UM, THE PROPERTY OWNERS, YOU KNOW, HAVING THEIR OWN ANIMALS FOR THEIR OWN PRIVATE USE.
IT'S NOT COMMERCIAL IN ANY WAY, WHERE A EU, IF YOU HAD ENOUGH ACREAGE, YOU COULD GO INTO A MORE COMMERCIAL TYPE OF AGRICULTURAL OPERATION.
AND THERE, THERE'S NOT THAT MANY AU PARCELS OUT THERE.
I THINK THAT COULD EVEN GO DOWN THAT COMMERCIAL AGRICULTURAL ROUTE.
JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT LARGE ENOUGH.
BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT LARGE ENOUGH.
'CAUSE THEY'RE, THEY REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF AGRICULTURAL, UM, I BELIEVE, AND THERE'S SOME OTHER LANGUAGE IN THE A U AS WELL, AND A LOT OF 'EM REQUIRES AT LEAST 40 ACRES.
AND, UM, THERE, THERE ARE DEFINITELY NOT ANY 40 ACRE EU, UM, ZONED PARCELS OUT THERE.
I'M NOT SEEING ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS.
UH, I'LL MOVE INTO PUBLIC HEARING.
DO WE HAVE ANY SIGNUP SHEETS? WE DON'T.
I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, BRING IT BACK TO COUNSEL.
IS THERE, I MA'AM, UM, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025 DASH 27 BASED ON THE FINDINGS CONTAINING THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.
I HAVE A MOTION BY MS. BASSETT.
WAY TO GO, JULIE, FOR WORKING SO HARD ON THIS.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED AND AYE VOTE AYE.
ALRIGHT, WE GOT ITEM NUMBER 19.
THIS IS ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025 DASH 28 IN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA.
REVOKING THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AT VALOREM TAX EXEMPTION GRANTED TO L THREE HARRIS TECHNOLOGIES, INC.
ADOPTED BY ORDINANCE NUMBER 2015 DASH 44, MAKING FINDINGS THAT THE BUSINESS HAS INDICATED THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECT IS COMPLETE AND THE NEW CAPITAL INVESTMENT IS NOT ELIGIBLE FOR ASSESSMENT AND EXEMPTION, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND PROVIDING FOR ADOPTION.
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ON, THIS IS MRS. DIMMER.SO THIS IS THE FIRST REGIME IN ORDINANCE, UM, THAT WILL REVOKE AN AVALOR TAX EXEMPTION FOR THE L THREE HARRIS TECHNOLOGY PROPERTY THAT'S LOCATED AT, UM, 10 25 WEST NASSAU BOULEVARD.
UH, SO JUST BRIEFLY, UH, WE HAVE AN AVALOR TAX ABATEMENT PROGRAM AT THE CITY.
WE'VE HAD FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, A NUMBER OF COMPANIES HAVE USED THIS A VT PROGRAM.
UM, AND WE DO REQUIRE ANYBODY, UM, THAT IS, UM, UTILIZING THE PROGRAM TO DO AN ANNUAL REPORT TO THE CITY.
AND WE THEN, UH, LOOK AT THAT INFORMATION TO ASSURE THAT THE COMPANY CONTINUES TO MEET THE STATUTORY DEFINITIONS AS A NEW OR, UM, EXPANDING, UM, BUSINESS AS DEFINED BY FLORIDA STATUTE.
SO THAT'S AN ANNUAL PROCESS, UM, THAT WE'VE DONE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
UM, THE STAFF MEMO INCLUDES BASICALLY THAT ANNUAL REPORT.
WE WERE, WE'RE DOWN TO TWO COMPANIES RIGHT NOW.
THERE'S BEEN YEARS WHERE WE HAD A LOT MORE THAT WERE BEING TRACKED.
UM, BUT BASICALLY WE LOOK AT, UM, WHEN THE COMPANY CAME IN AND SAID, WE'RE GONNA BUILD X AMOUNT OF BUILDING, HAVE X NUMBER OF JOBS THAT PAY X WAGES.
UM, WE REVIEW THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY DOING WHAT THEY SAID THEY WOULD DO.
AND, UM, THAT'S A, IT'S A FAIRLY INTENSIVE REVIEW TOO.
IT, IT, IT, IT'S NOT JUST SOMEBODY WRITING NUMBERS ON A PIECE OF PAPER.
THERE'S VERIFICATION THAT'S DONE, UM, BY MR. DOMBROSKI IN, IN THE OFFICE.
UM, SO L THREE HARRIS, UM, CAME THROUGH BACK IN 2015, AND THEY HAVE, UH, THEY HAVE DONE ALL THE, THEY TOLD US THEY WOULD DO, UM, THIS IS THE HEADQUARTERS BUILDING THERE ON NASA BOULEVARD.
AND IT WAS NEVER A NEW BUILDING.
UM, IT WAS GONNA BE REMODELING AND ENHANCING THE BUILDING THAT WAS THERE.
UM, THERE WAS THE PROMISE OF AT LEAST, UM, 10 NEW JOBS, UM, THAT WOULD BE COMING IN.
THEY HAVE ACTUALLY FAR EXCEEDED THAT.
UM, SO THEY'VE HAD THEIR JOB CREATION, THEY'VE MET THEIR WAGE COMMITMENT, THEY'VE MET THEIR CAPITAL.
UM, HOWEVER, IN THIS CASE, AN AVALOR AND TAX EXEMPTION ONLY APPLIES TO THAT NEW VALUATION.
SO THE EXISTING BUILDING THAT WAS THERE PRIOR TO 2015, THAT VALUE CAN'T BE EXEMPTED.
BUT THE NEW VALUE FROM THE REMODELING, UM, COULD HAVE BEEN, HOWEVER, THE PROPERTY APPRAISER NEVER SHOWED AN INCREASE, UM, IN THE PROPERTY VALUATION, UM, FROM THAT REMODELING.
UM, NOR THE TANGIBLE PROPERTY, UM, EQUIPMENT AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT THEY HAD BROUGHT INTO SITE.
SO ESSENTIALLY THERE'S BEEN NO BENEFIT TO L THREE HARRIS TO CONTINUE THROUGH THE PROGRAM.
UM, THERE'S BEEN, THERE'S BEEN THE BENEFIT TO THE CITY OF NEW EMPLOYEES.
HOWEVER, OUR, YOU KNOW, PROPERTY VALUATION DID NOT INCREASE, UM, BECAUSE IT'S NOT REALLY RECOGNIZED ON THE, THE PROPERTY VALUATION.
SO THEY'VE ASKED THIS YEAR TO NO LONGER BE PART OF THE PROGRAM.
THE PROJECT'S COMPLETE, THEY'VE DONE WHAT THEY'VE DONE, NOTHING'S GONNA CHANGE.
AND SO THE ORDINANCE BEFORE THIS EVENING IS BASICALLY TO, UM, REVOKE THAT, UM, ADD ALARM TAX ABATEMENT FOR THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND WITH THAT, STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025 DASH 28.
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MRS. DIPMAR? SIR? YES.
UH, SO CINDY, MY QUESTION IS, SO ONCE WE DO THIS, WILL L THREE HARRIS BE ABLE TO COME BACK AGAIN FOR A FUTURE PROPERTY OR A FUTURE DEVELOPMENT? IF THEY MET THE CRITERIA? UM, LET'S SAY THEY WERE GONNA BUILD A NEW BUILDING ON THEIR, YOU KNOW, PROPERTY THERE ALONG NASA AND WOODY BURKE, THEY DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, COULD BE ELIGIBLE, UM, TO COME BACK IN AND, YOU KNOW, SAY THEY'RE GONNA BUILD A NEW BUILDING WITH X AMOUNT OF NEW EMPLOYEES.
UM, SO YES, THIS, THIS WON'T HURT THEM IN ANY WAY, YOU KNOW, UM, FOR A FUTURE APPLICATION FOR AN ADOR TAX STATEMENT.
IS, IS THIS THE APPLICATION THAT'S ABOUT THREE INCHES THICK, UH, PAPER? UH, AND I ASKED BECAUSE I WAS, UH, I, I WAS, UH, UM, WORKING WITH A, UH, COMPANY, INCUBATOR COMPANY AT ONE HARBOR THAT HAD, UH, X EXCEL TECH GROUP.
THEY HAD, UH, SEVEN, UH, UH, INDUSTRIES IN THE PIPELINE TO, TO BRING PUBLIC, AND THEY WERE LOOKING TO PO POTENTIALLY DO THE SAME THING.
NOW, I REMEMBER THE STACK OF PAPER ON THE CHAIRMAN'S DESK.
UH, IS THAT THE SAME ONE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? THIS IS WHY THEY'RE TRYING TO LIKE, PUSH BACK AND SAY, THIS IS LIKE THREE MONTHS WORTH OF WORK, YOU KNOW? WELL, I WILL SAY THEIR ANNUAL REPORT, YOU KNOW, UM, IS VERY DETAILED AND THEY HAVE TO, THEY HAVE TO SHOW DOCUMENTA FEDERAL DOCUMENTATION OF NUMBER OF WORKERS AND, AND SALARIES AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
SO IT IS AN EXTENSIVE AMOUNT OF WORK.
STAFF HAD ACTUALLY MENTIONED TO THEM PROBABLY THE LAST YEAR OR TWO, LIKE, HEY, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE YOU'RE GONNA GET THAT NEW VALUATION.
IT'S REALLY NO POINT IN YOU HAVING TO CONTINUE GO THROUGH THIS.
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JUST REMEMBER BEING PART OF THAT PROCESS WITH ONE, UH, COMPANY IN THIS, IN THE CITY.SO I WAS JUST, IT WAS AMAZING TO SEE, YOU KNOW, IT DROPPED, YOU KNOW.
OUR APPLICATION IS NOT IN ANY WAY THAT, THAT CONVERSATION, I GUESS, I GUESS THE BACKGROUND, THE BACKUP, UH, DOCUMENTATION WAS, WAS MORE OF THE, UH, CHALLENGE MM-HMM
I APPRECIATE IT BRINGS BACK GREAT MEMORIES.
CLOSING, I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU ADAM AND JENNY ON, I KNOW IT WAS AN AWKWARD, YOU KNOW, ONE, IT'S AN AWKWARD ITEM, BUT THEN TWO A SITUATION FOR THEM.
SO I'M GLAD IT WORKED OUT WHERE EVERYBODY'S HAPPY AND IT'S OH YEAH.
A GREAT OUTCOME FOR EVERYBODY HERE.
SO THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR WORK ON THAT.
SO WITHOUT ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR MRS. DITTMER, UH, I'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION.
UH, I'LL, I'LL CALL FOR MOTION VICE SM MAYOR.
WELL, MR. LARISSA HAD TO BEAT TO IT.
HE WAS TRYING TO, HE WAS TRYING TO DO IT PUBLIC CONDUCT.
I'M NOT GONNA BEAT YOU OUT A SECOND, BUT THEY BEAT YOU OUT OF FIRST
CRUEL ORDINANCE NUMBER 20, 25, 28.
GET A COIN TOSS ALL WE HAVE, UH, APPROVAL BY, OR I'M SORRY, MOTION BY MR. LARUSSO, SECOND BY MS. BASSETT.
LOOKING AT, ALRIGHT, WE'RE LOOKING AT ITEM NUMBER 21, MRS. DIFFERENT.
SO THIS ITEM, UM, IS A JOINT EFFORT BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, ENGINEERING, AND CODE COMPLIANCE.
AND MY COLLEAGUES ARE HERE, UM, WITH ME AS WELL THIS EVENING.
IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT MAY BE RELATED MORE TO, TO THEIR AREAS, UM, THE, UM, RESOLUTION DEALING WITH DEVELOPMENT USER FEES, IMPACTS ALL THREE OF OUR DEPARTMENTS.
UM, I GUESS I GOT SHORT STRAW, THAT'S WHY YOU GUYS HAVE TO LISTEN TO ME FOR THE FOURTH ITEM IN A ROW.
UM, ANYWAY, CITY CODE, UM, CHAPTER TWO DOES AUTHORIZE, UM, THE THREE OF OUR DEPARTMENTS AND DIVISIONS TO CHARGE FEES FOR DEVELOPMENT RELATED ACTIVITIES.
SO I'M TALKING ABOUT, UM, DEVELOPMENT PLAN REVIEWS, DEVELOPMENT, UM, BUILDING PERMITS, UM, APPLICATIONS TO DO ANNEXATION, LAND USE, AND ZONING.
A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT YOU SAW EARLIER ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING, UM, ESSENTIALLY THE PEOPLE PAYING THOSE FEES, WE CALL, THEY'RE THE USER, IT'S A USER FEE BECAUSE, UM, THEY'RE COMING IN AND ASKING FOR AN ADDITIONAL, UM, YOU KNOW, REQUIREMENTS OF STAFF.
AND THOSE FEES ARE PAID BY, YOU KNOW, ENGINEERS, ARCHITECTS, DEVELOPERS, PEOPLE THAT ARE USUALLY TRYING TO BUILD SOMETHING, UM, PROPERTY OWNERS, UM, AS WELL.
UM, SO WE LOOK AT THIS AS A USER FEE AND THAT, THAT THEN THE GENERAL TAXPAYER OF THE CITY, YOU KNOW, SHOULDN'T HAVE TO BE FULLY, YOU KNOW, PAYING IN, IN THE COST, YOU KNOW, OF STAFF TIME TO, TO DO THAT.
UM, SO, UM, WE'VE, UM, IN 2019, UM, WE CAME TO CITY COUNCIL.
IT WAS WHEN WE WERE IMPLEMENTING OUR INTER GOV DEVELOPMENT, UM, PERMITTING SYSTEM.
AND WE PROPOSED ADDITIONAL, UM, FEES AT THAT TIME TO COVER OUR OPERATIONAL AND STAFF COSTS.
THERE WAS A VERY IN-DEPTH STUDY DONE IN 2019 THAT LOOKED AT THOSE COSTS.
UM, DURING THAT TIME WE ALSO INSTITUTED A $10, UM, UH, TECHNOLOGY FEE ON EACH BUILDING PERMIT THAT WAS, UM, INTENDED TO HELP OFFSET, UM, THE COST OF THE, UM, INTER GOV SOFTWARE AND IT STAFF SUPPORT, UM, FOR THE, UM, DEVELOPMENT PERMIT REVIEW PROCESS WE DID HAVE IN THAT RESOLUTION THAT WE'D COME BACK IN FIVE YEARS AND RE-LOOK AT THE FEES.
SO IN 2024, WE DID START LOOKING AT THAT AT THE FIVE YEAR, UM, TIMEFRAME.
AND, UM, WE REVIEWED, UM, BASICALLY THE TIME SPENT, UM, BETWEEN ALL THREE DEPARTMENTS ON DEVELOPMENT REVIEW.
THE INTER GOV SYSTEM IS DEFINITELY A HELP, BUT IT, UM, DOES REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, MORE TIME AND, UM, AND MORE PEOPLE REVIEWING THINGS THAN PREVIOUSLY.
UH, SINCE, UM, WE LOOKED AT THE FIRST FIVE YEARS THERE WAS A, UM, CPI INCREASE OF 21% AND WE'RE REALLY NOW INTO THE SIXTH YEAR.
UM, SO WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED IN THE THIS RESOLUTION IS, IS REALLY ACROSS THE BOARD A 25% INCREASE IN THE DEVELOPMENT FEES.
UM, SO BUILDING PERMITS, PLAN REVIEWS, A ZONING APPLICATION, ALL OF THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, UM, WOULD HAVE THAT INCREASE, UM, OF 25%.
ADDITIONALLY, WE'VE REALLY BEEN TRYING TO LOOK HARDER AT WHERE A LOT OF OUR STAFF TIME IS GETTING CAUGHT UP IN DEALING WITH, UM, DEVELOPMENT.
AND SO WE'VE PROPOSED, UM, SEVERAL NEW FEES, UM, THAT'S TRYING TO CAPTURE SOME OF THAT TIME THAT IS SPENT PURELY ON THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE.
AGAIN, THAT USER FEE TIME, UM, THAT ISN'T JUST YOUR AVERAGE TAXPAYER, IT'S SOMEBODY THAT IS TRYING TO DO, UM, DEVELOPMENT WITHIN
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OUR CITY.SO WE'RE PROPOSING, UM, A PRE-APPLICATION FEE AND THAT'S PRIMARILY, UM, UH, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND ENGINEERING.
AND THEN BUILDING IS ALSO SOMETIMES A PART OF THOSE PRE-APPLICATION MEETINGS.
UM, SOMETHING THAT DOES HAPPEN OFTEN IS AN ENGINEER, UM, MAY NOT BE UNDERSTANDING COMMENTS AND WANTS TO TAKE ADDITIONAL TIME AND SIT DOWN FACE TO FACE WITH STAFF TO GO THROUGH THEIR COMMENTS.
IT'S ANOTHER, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, AMOUNT OF TIME THAT THAT TAKES OUTTA THE STAFF'S TIME.
UM, AND THEN, UM, A FOURTH PLAN REVIEW FEE.
SO, UM, THAT ALREADY, UM, EXISTS IN OUR ENGINEERING PLAN SCHEDULING, BUT NOT IN COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE SEEING, UM, OVER AND OVER AGAIN IS IT USED TO BE IN THE OLD DAYS, PLANES GOT THROUGH ON TWO OR THREE ROUNDS OF REVIEWS AND NOW, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN THE FIFTH, SIXTH, SEVENTH, EIGHTH REVIEWS ON MANY, MANY PROJECTS.
AND SO RIGHT NOW IN COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, THAT PROJECT'S PAID ONE FEE UP FRONT AND IF THEY DON'T MAKE IT THROUGH IN EIGHT REVIEWS, IT, IT'S STILL THAT ONE PRICE.
SO THIS WILL BE A FEE THAT OCCURS, UM, AT AFTER THE FOURTH REVIEW OR AT THE FOURTH REVIEW.
UM, AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, ONE OF THE OTHER CHANGES THAT HAPPENED SINCE THE INTER GOV IMPLEMENTATION IS THAT, UM, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND ENGINEERING, UM, WE ALREADY REVIEWED BUILDING PERMITS TO SOME EXTENT, BUT WE WERE REVIEWING, UH, A LOT, MUCH LARGER AMOUNT OF, UM, BUILDING PERMITS NOW AND THE DEVELOPER USERS NOT PAYING FOR THAT TIME.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS CAPTURE SOME REVENUE BACK IN FROM THOSE BUILDING PERMITS THAT WILL PAY FOR A NEW POSITION THAT IS PROPOSED IN YOUR UPCOMING BUDGET.
UM, BUT WITH A REVENUE SOURCE, UM, OF EIGHT $25.
UM, PER DEPARTMENT COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND ENGINEERING, WE, FOR THE MOST PART REVIEW THE SAME ONES.
ENGINEERING PROBABLY HAS A FEW MORE THAT GETS REVIEWED.
SO THAT'LL BE PAID FOR EACH BUILDING PERMIT FOR OUR REVIEW.
UM, CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW, UM, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND ENGINEERING, WE BOTH SPEND ABOUT A FULL-TIME EQUIVALENT OF ONE PERSON IN OUR DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE JUST DOING BUILDING PERMIT REVIEWS.
AND WHEN WE STARTED TRACKING THAT AND ADDING THAT UP, IT'S A SIGNIFICANT, UM, AMOUNT OF TIME.
UM, THE IDEA IS THAT WE WOULD SHARE, UM, ONE PERSON THAT WOULD BE THE PERMIT REVIEW.
UM, LAND DEVELOPMENT RE REGULATIONS IS A NOT FLORIDA BUILDING CODE, WHICH BUILDINGS REVIEWING FOR THIS'LL BE THE REVIEW THAT'S DONE BY BOTH OF OUR DEPARTMENTS, UM, FOR THAT.
SO THAT'S THE IDEA, UM, BEHIND THAT.
AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING A $5 INCREASE IN THE TECHNOLOGY FEE FROM WHAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY TO $10 TO A $15, UM, TO GAIN ADDITIONAL IT SUPPORT, UM, TO SUPPORT THE INTER GOV SYSTEM.
UM, WE HAVE PROPOSED IN THIS RESOLUTION, AGAIN, TO COME BACK IN FIVE YEARS AND REVIEW THE FEES AGAIN, NOT SAYING THAT WE COULDN'T COME BACK EARLIER.
UM, AND, UM, WITH THAT ALSO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE DID HAVE TO REVIEW THIS BECAUSE THERE IS AN IMPACT TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING BY RAISING THESE FEES.
UM, I REVIEWED THAT WITH THE COMMITTEE.
THEY, UM, VERY MUCH UNDERSTOOD THE REASONING AND THE NEED TO COVER THESE STAFF COSTS.
SO THEY DID UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMEND, UM, APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED, UM, NEW FEE RESOLUTION.
AND WITH THAT, UM, STAFF FROM ALL THREE OF OUR, UM, DEPARTMENTS WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION NUMBER 43 56.
UH, SO SIN, I KNOW WE, WE MOVED THE DISCUSSION ITEM WHERE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT PERMITING PROCESS, BUT I KNOW THIS IS, IS, IS RELATED TO THAT.
UM, SO IS THIS AN OVERALL INCREASE ON THE AMOUNT OF FEES, THE AMOUNT CHARGED, OR MORE FEES OR THE AMOUNT? RIGHT.
SO, UM, THE, LET'S JUST SAY SOMEBODY DOES A FORMAL SITE PLAN THAT COMES TO CITY COUNCIL, UM, THAT FEES, UH, $2,000 OR SO, UM, THAT WILL GO UP 25%.
UM, IF THEY ARE THEN GOING THROUGH AN ENGINEERING CONSTRUCTION PLAN REVIEW, UM, THAT REVIEW WILL GO UP 25%, THE PLAN REVIEW FEE, AND THEN THEIR BUILDING PERMITS, UM, WHEN THEY GET TO THE BUILDING PERMIT LEVEL WILL ALSO INCREASE 25%.
UM, WE DID LOOK AT OTHER CITIES, UM, AND YOU KNOW, WE ARE, WE'RE BY FAR VERY MUCH IN THE MIDDLE, UM, OF MANY OF THOSE.
UM, WE'RE DEFINITELY NOT ON THE HIGH END.
WE DON'T WANT TO PRICE OURSELF OUT IN THAT WAY.
UM, SO YEAH, WE, WE DID, WE DID DO SOME INITIAL REVIEW
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ON THAT.I, I ALSO WANTED TO ADD WITH THAT IS THAT IN LOOKING, AND CINDY BROUGHT THIS UP BEFORE, BUT I DID WANNA STRESS THE POINT IS, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT WHO'S SUBMITTING THOSE, IT IS A USER FEE.
AND YOU KNOW, WE LOOK AT SHOULD THE TAXPAYER ABSORB THOSE, THOSE THE, THE COST TO DO THAT BUSINESS OR SHOULD, SHOULD THE USER ABSORB THAT COST? AND THAT, THAT WAS UNDER GREAT CONSIDERATION BOTH WHEN WE DID THAT IN 2019 AND WHEN STAFF JUST COMPLETED THAT NOW.
AND SO I'M ALSO HEARING A PROPOSAL FOR AN ADDITIONAL FTE OR, UH, A WAY OF, AND I KNOW WE'RE NOT TOUCHING ON IT NOW, BUT OF ALSO TRYING TO INCREASE THE EFFICIENCY AND, AND MAKE, FIND WAYS TO MAKE THE PROCESS MORE FASTER.
THE, THE CITY ENGINE ENGINEER AND I LOOKED AT THE, UM, HAVING ONE PERSON THAT'S REVIEWING, YOU KNOW, OUR SETBACK REQUIREMENTS ALONG WITH LOT DRAINAGE AND ENGINEERING WOULD DO, HAVING THEM IN, IN ONE, YOU KNOW, SESSION, SITTING DOWN DOING THAT REVIEW, NOT BEING CALLED THE EIGHT DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT MEETINGS AND, AND HAVING, YOU KNOW, 20 OTHER PHONE CALLS OF THE DAY OF THE QUESTIONS, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT OUR OFFICES GET ON ANY GIVEN DAY.
SO THAT PERSON'S GONNA BE ABLE TO BE FOCUSED, UM, ON THAT.
THEY WILL OBVIOUSLY BE WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, UM, ON BUILDING PERMIT QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, BUT THEY'LL BE ABLE TO BE JUST SOLELY FOCUSED ON THAT.
UH, SO THE, THESE, UM, INCREASE IN FEES ARE GONNA GO TO THE GENERAL FUND OR WHERE DO THEY GO? SO THE BUILDING DIVISION FEES GO INTO THE BUILDING FUND AS THEY'RE REQUIRED TO.
UM, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND ENGINEERING FEES ALREADY GO INTO THE GENERAL FUND, AND SO THAT INCREASE WILL GO INTO THE GENERAL FUND.
AND DO YOU SEE THIS AS LIKE A SUBSTANTIAL GAIN FOR THE BUDGETS OR IS IT JUST MINIMAL? IT'S, I'M NOT SURE THAT WE, IT'S GONNA GO UP AND DOWN.
IS IT LITTLE JUST LIKE VARY YEAR, RIGHT.
BECAUSE IT'S RELATED TO, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER OF PLAN APPLICATIONS AND NUMBER OF BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATIONS, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S OBVIOUSLY GONNA INCREASE THOSE REVENUES.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND I WANNA ALMOST DON'T WANNA SAY IT OUT LOUD, BUT IF, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A REAL DECLINE AND THE NUMBER OF THOSE WENT DOWN, YOU KNOW, THEN THAT REVENUE IS, IS GONNA GO DOWN AND, YOU KNOW, THOSE THINGS HAVE HAPPENED OVER THE YEARS.
WELL, MS. HANLEY'S NEXT, AND THEN MR. LARUSSO.
'CAUSE, UH, THIS CAME UP EARLIER ABOUT ONE CONTRACTOR HE PUT IN, UM, IT WAS SIX TIMES HE HAD CHANGED FROM TWO BUILDINGS TO ONE BUILDING.
UM, SO THEY PUT COMETS IN THERE THAT HE HAD TO, THAT HAD TO BE CHANGED AND THEY DIDN'T CHANGE IT OVER THREE MM-HMM
THREE INITIALS AND IT, IT WAS UP TO THE LAST TIME I HEARD IT WAS UP TO SIX TIMES.
SO FIRST FOUR THEY GET THE ONE FEE, AND THEN AFTER THAT THEY GET CHARGED CONTINUOUSLY.
SO IT'S AFTER THE FIRST THREE.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT AS IF ON THAT THIRD REVIEW THERE'S A COUPLE OF VERY MINOR COMMENTS, YOU KNOW, EASY THINGS THAT NEED TO BE CLEANED UP THAT CAN BE NOTED.
UM, WE'RE NOT GONNA CHARGE THAT FOURTH REVIEW FEE FOR THAT.
UM, BUT IN THE CASE, WHICH WE HAVE MANY OF NOW WHERE THERE ARE COMMENTS THAT STILL HAVEN'T BEEN ADDRESSED, UM, THEY'LL GET CHARGED AT THE FOURTH REVIEW.
AND WHEN THEY DON'T COMPLETE IT IN THE FOURTH REVIEW, THEY'LL BE CHARGED AT THE FIFTH REVIEW.
AND WHEN THEY DON'T COMPLETE THE FIFTH REVIEW, THEY'LL BE CHARGED AT THE SIXTH AND, AND THEY'RE ON OUT.
AND THAT FEE IS 50% OF THE ORIGINAL PLAN REVIEW FEE.
AND WHAT WE'RE, WELL, WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS THAT SOME OF THESE PLANS ARE BEING SUBMITTED WITH THE SOLE INTENT OF HAVING CITY STAFF BE THEIR QA, QC TO, SO QUALITY CONTROL, THEY'RE LOOKING AT IT, IT'S THE, SOMETIMES WE EVEN GET OTHER AGENCIES SPECIFICATIONS ON THE PLANS.
SOMETIMES IT'S THE, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T USE IT.
YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THEY, THE MINOR THINGS, SOMETIMES THEY'RE HUGE THINGS.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, LIKE I KNOW WHEN I WAS IN ENGINEERING, WE'D GET PLANS WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE SEWER PIPES ARE GOING RIGHT THROUGH THE WATER PIPES OR THE STORM PIPES WERE GOING THROUGH.
I MEAN, THEY REALLY SHOULD BE CHECKING THOSE THINGS AND STAFF SHOULDN'T BE CHECKING THOSE.
SO THAT IS WHERE WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF THE PROBLEMS IN THESE MULTIPLE REVIEWS.
OR THEY GET THE COMMENTS FROM THE FIRST ROUND AND THEY ONLY ANSWER A HANDFUL OF THEM AND THEY'RE REPEAT QUESTIONS THE SECOND ROUND.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PREVENT.
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TO HAVE EV EVERYONE DONE BY THE THIRD REVIEW, AND WE THINK IF WE START CHARGING FOR THE FOURTH OR SUBSEQUENT ONES THAT MAYBE WE WILL MAKE THEM CHECK THEIR WORK BEFORE THEY SUBMIT IT THE FIRST TIME.AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S DEFINITELY CHANGED OVER THE YEARS.
THE QUALITY, UH, OF THE PLANS, YOU KNOW, BOTH SITE PLANS AND BUILDING PERMITS THAT ARE COMING IN, UM, ARE JUST, YOU KNOW, MUCH LOWER QUALITY.
AND I, I WILL TELL YOU, I'VE BEEN TALKING TO OTHER, UM, ENTITIES, GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES AND CONSULTING FIRMS, AND IT'S NOT JUST US THAT'S SEEING THAT MR. UH, PERSONALLY, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE THIS A REVENUE GENERATOR.
I SEE THIS AS REVENUE NEUTRAL.
UM, AND I, I RECALL MAYBE A FEW MONTHS AGO, AND THE DEVELOPER WILL RE WILL, UH, REMAIN UNNAMED, BUT THERE WAS A BACK AND FORTH, THERE WAS A NASTY EMAIL THAT WAS SENT THAT YOU, WITH YOUR PROFESSIONALISM AND YOUR, AND YOUR EXPERIENCE AND YOUR EDUCATION, YOU WERE ABLE TO STOP IT RIGHT.
'CAUSE THEY DIDN'T DO WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO.
SO NOW WE GOT TO A POINT WHERE THE CITY MANAGER HAD TO GET, UH, INVOLVED IN THE DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS BECAUSE THIS DEVELOPER PUSHED IT OVER THE EDGE.
SO, UH, NO, I, I AGREE THAT IT SHOULDN'T, THE TAXPAYER SHOULD NOT BE BURDENED, UH, WITH DEVELOPERS AND, UH, AND THE SUCH THAT THEY'RE GONNA MAKE A PROFIT ON WHAT THEY BUILD AND WHETHER IT BE RENT, WHETHER IT BE, UH, UH, STRIP MALLS, WHATEVER, WHATEVER.
SO THEY SHOULD BEAR THE COSTS OF PUTTING THE PROFIT BACK IN THEIR POCKET.
AS I, WE'LL SUPPLY ALL, ALL OF THE INFORMATION.
THIS STARTED IN 2019 JUST TO COVER THE, JUST TO COVER SOME OF THE IT AND SOME OF THE OTHER STUFF THAT WENT ALONG, NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT THE, THE, UH, STAFF INVOLVEMENT.
AND WE KNOW THAT WE ARE CHALLENGED WITH SHORT STAFF ACROSS THE BOARD.
EVERYBODY IS EVERY DEPARTMENT.
SO I WHOLEHEARTEDLY, UH, SUPPORT THIS.
AND I THINK YOU SHOULD GO ANOTHER 5% HIGHER, ACTUALLY IF YOU ASK ME.
UM, IT'S AT COUNCIL'S DISCRETION THERE.
UM, SO MRS. DIMMER, JUST TO MAKE SURE I WAS, UH, CLARIFYING, IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY KIND OF, UM, RELATED TO HIS POINT WITH, WITH THE INCREASE, YOU SAID WE WERE THE MEDIAN PRIOR.
ARE WE STILL IN THE MEDIAN NOW? OR DOES THAT BRING US TO THE MEDIAN OR MIDDLE SPOT WHERE EVERYBODY'S AT? YOU KNOW, AND I WANT, I WANNA SAY THAT, UM, I DON'T WANNA SAY WE DID A REALLY DETAILED STUDY, YOU KNOW, OF THE OTHER CITIES AND IT, YEAH, IT'S REALLY HARD TO, WITHOUT A PHONE CALL TO EVERY CITY AND FINDING THE PERSON THAT HANDLES THIS PLAN REVIEW AND THIS ZONING APPLICATION, IT'S VERY HARD TO GET THAT DATA MM-HMM
UM, BUT ALL OF THE DATA THAT WE COULD GET, PARTICULARLY WITHIN THIS COUNTY, UM, YOU KNOW, SHOWED US ON AVERAGE, YOU KNOW, IN THE, IN THE MIDDLE GROUND, UM, EVERY CITY HAS A LITTLE BIT OF SOMETHING DIFFERENT WHERE THEY MAY BE CHARGING MORE ON THIS, BUT LESS ON THIS.
SO IT'S REALLY HARD TO, YOU KNOW, TO, TO SAY, YOU KNOW, ACROSS THE BOARD MM-HMM
UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT WOULD TAKE A LOT OF STAFF TIME SURE.
TO DO A REALLY DETAILED ANALYSIS BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE TO BE, UM, SURE.
PHONE CALLS TO SEVERAL DEPARTMENTS OF EVERY GOVERNMENT ENTITY, UM, TO GET, YOU KNOW, THE ACTUAL CURRENT NUMBERS, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT ARE BEING CHARGED FOR THOSE FEES.
NOW IT, AND NOW PIGGYBACKING OFF OF YOUR PIECE ON THE STAFF TIME PART, SOMETHING THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS WHAT'S GOING ON IN TALLAHASSEE RIGHT NOW.
UM, THEY'RE LOOKING AT OUR
NOW, AGAIN, LIKE MR. LARUSSO, THIS ISN'T A FUNDING SOURCE, MORE SO A NEUTRAL PIECE THAT ALLOWS US TO KIND OF FUND OUR DEPARTMENTS OR ADD INTO IT.
WHAT, IF YOU WERE, YOU WERE REFERENCING SECTION THREE, WHICH WAS THE, EVERY FIVE YEARS WE TAKE A LOOK AT THIS JUST IN AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE STAFF TIME WOULD BE IF WE MADE THAT A NEXT YEAR OR TWO YEARS FROM NOW TO LOOK INTO IT JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE STILL ON PACE TO AFFORD WHAT WE DO 'CAUSE THEY TOOK AWAY OUR PROPERTY TAX OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
WOULD THAT BE A DISRUPTION TO THE WORK THAT YOU GUYS DO TO JUST TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT YOU GUYS ARE JUST DID HERE TODAY? NOT THE GLOBAL BREVARD COUNTY TAX, UH, OR, UH, FEE SITUATION? NO, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD, WOULD BE A BURDEN.
I, I WILL SAY WHAT WE DID IN 2019 WHEN WE HAD AN OUTSIDE CONSULTANT THAT WAS ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, TO REALLY DIG IN AND LOOK AT THE OPERATIONAL COSTS AND REVIEW TIMES.
UM, WE HAVE LOOKED AT INTER GOV TO DETERMINE A WAY TO TRACK, UM, REVIEW TIMES, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE SYSTEM.
AND IF WE CAN, UM, MANAGE THE IT SIDE OF, UM, BEING ABLE TO PULL THAT KIND OF DATA OUT, IT WOULD MAKE IT EASIER.
BUT WE MAY ALSO, YOU KNOW, WANNA LOOK AT GOING OUTSIDE AGAIN, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH SOME, YOU KNOW, ASSISTANCE, UM, FROM A,
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A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT TO LOOK AT WHAT THOSE COSTS REALLY ARE.UM, UH, JENNY, IT WOULD, UH, SHE, SHE WAS MENTIONING THIS OUTSIDE CONSULTANT PIECE ON THERE.
WOULD, IF WE ADDED THAT INTO A MOTION ON THIS, WOULD THAT BE NECESSARY OR WOULD THAT JUST BE SOMETHING THAT WE WANT YOU TO DO? JUST A, JUST A THOUGHT TO TAKE A LOOK AT GOING FORWARD.
NOT FOR A A JUST FOR LIKE A ONE TIME THING TO SEE WHERE WE'RE AT.
I, I WOULD THINK THAT WE, WE WOULD TAKE A LOOK AT THAT TIME TO SEE, BECAUSE IF THE, IF THE INTERV SYSTEM CAN GENERATE THOSE NUMBERS EASILY.
THEN WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T NEED THE OUTSIDE CONSULTANT.
BUT IF IT'S SOMETHING WE HAD TO DO A REAL DEEP DIVE ON, I THINK THE USE OF A CONSULTANT'S A POSSIBILITY.
BUT SO YOU WOULDN'T WANT US TO, IF IF COUNSEL DURING DISCUSSION IS LOOKING TOWARDS THAT, YOU WOULDN'T NEED THAT IN THIS MOTION.
NEXT TIME WE TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
I, I'D RECOMMEND IT BE SEPARATE.
'CAUSE ONE, TWO YEARS FROM NOW WE'LL HAVE A BETTER SENSE OF WHAT THE CIRCUMSTANCES ARE AND, AND STAFF CAN GIVE A RECOMMENDATION ON, ON WHAT ACTION TO TAKE TO DO FURTHER, YOU KNOW, STUDIES ON, ON THE FEE STRUCTURE.
AND THEN, I KNOW I ASKED CINDY HER OPINION ON IT, YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE TO AMEND SECTION THREE FOR IT TO BE ONE OR TWO YEARS, JUST TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT AGAIN WITH THAT SITUATION, WOULD YOU SAY ANY DISRUPTION ON THE STAFF SIDE OR ANY CONCERN ON THAT? JUST BASED ON THE TALLAHASSEE STUFF? I'M REALLY WORRIED ABOUT IT.
IT, IT WOULD TAKE A LITTLE TIME, BUT I DON'T THINK, I THINK BECAUSE IT, IT HASN'T BEEN OVER FIVE YEARS, I THINK IT WOULD BE EASIER TO DO.
AND LIKE I SAID WITH THE SOFTWARE, IT MIGHT BE MUCH EASIER.
SO I WILL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
SO WILL YOU BE OPEN TO THAT'S, YOU WANT, WE'D BE OPEN TO IT.
'CAUSE I'M CONSIDERING ASKING, AMENDING IT JUST TO OKAY.
THAT'S WHY I WANNA MAKE SURE I GET IT RIGHT FOR YOU GUYS.
I WANNA STICK YOU WITH SOMETHING I GOT A QUESTION ASKED, SIR.
UH, SO CINDY, WE, WE'VE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE AS FAR AS PRICING, BUT I'M, I'M ALSO KIND OF CURIOUS WHERE WERE WE AS FAR AS REVIEW TIMES? I MEAN, IS THERE A WAY TO EVALUATE HOW WE, UH, MEASURE OUT IN COMPARISON? AND I KNOW WE, WE STILL HAVE IT FOR THE NEXT, NEXT MEETING, BUT THAT IS, THAT IS DEFINITELY A PART OF THE CON QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS I HAVE IN MY MIND.
HOW DO WE MEASURE OUT AS FAR AS REVIEW TIME AND THEN WHAT HAS THE TREND BEEN FROM MAYBE 10 COUPLE YEARS BACK TO KIND OF WHERE WE ARE NOW? YEAH.
ARE YOU SAYING HOW DO WE MEASURE AGAINST OTHER CITIES IN THE AMOUNT OF REVIEW TIME? YES.
I'M NOT SURE HOW, UM, WE WOULD ATTAIN THAT INFORMATION FROM OTHER CITIES TO MAKE THAT COMPARISON.
I MEAN, WE, THEY MAY BE BE ABLE TO GENERICALLY SAY, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE HAVE A REVIEW GOAL, YOU KNOW, FOR OUR PLANS AND PERMITS.
UM, OTHER CITIES, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY READILY KNOW, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A GOAL PROBABLY, UM, AND WHAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY MEETING.
YEAH, IT CAME UP QUITE A BIT AT THE MAYOR'S BREAKFAST.
SEVERAL CITIES WAS TOUTING THE FACT OF THEIR REDUCTION IN TIMES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
I KNOW THAT THE BUILDING PERMIT REVIEW TIME, I KNOW THEY HAVE A PRETTY GOOD, UM, PULL OR, YOU KNOW, PRETTY GOOD IDEA OF, OF WHERE THEY ARE WITH THEIR REVIEW TIMES.
WE'VE HAD SOME TROUBLE GETTING THE SOFTWARE TO GENERATE THAT AS FAR AS THE REVIEW TIMES.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE LOOKING INTO.
I DO KNOW THAT SOME OF THE COMPLAINTS ON HOW LONG IT'S TAKEN, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HOPING WITH THE ADDITIONAL STAFF PART OF DOING THIS, THIS WHOLE PROCESS AND LOOKING AT THE FEES HELPED IDENTIFY WHERE WE HAD SOME OF THE, THE PROBLEM AREAS.
I'LL, I'LL SAY, AND WHAT WAS TAKING LONGER THAN MAY AND WHERE WE WERE REVIEWING THAT WE WEREN'T NECESSARILY REVIEWING BEFORE.
AND THAT YOU'LL SEE IN THE, IN THE MEMOS FOR THE DISCUSSION ITEM.
UM, WHERE, WHERE WE DID DISCUSS THOSE THINGS AND THAT CINDY JUST BROUGHT UP TONIGHT.
AS FAR AS LOOKING BACK TO WHAT REVIEW TIMES WERE 10 YEARS AGO, IT WAS ALL IT, WE, I DON'T, WE COULD GO BACK AND MAYBE PULL SOME FILES, BUT I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF WE COULD TELL LIKE, WHEN THEY SUBMITTED AND WHEN THEY WERE DUE.
I'M SORRY MS. LAR, I DIDN'T MEAN TO TALK OVER YOU.
UM, UH, SO MY, UH, MY OBSERVATION, UH, RIGHT NOW IS THAT, UH, WE DO A FIRST QUARTER REVIEW, SECOND QUARTER REVIEW, THIRD QUARTER REVIEW, FOURTH QUARTER REVIEW IN OUR AGENDAS, YOU KNOW, REGULARLY.
AND SOMETIMES THERE'S, THERE'S THINGS THAT COME UP UNEXPECTEDLY.
SO I'VE, I'VE YET TO SEE A LICENSE DECREASE, UH, SOFTWARE LICENSE DECREASE EVER COME ACROSS MY DESK, EVER.
AND SO NOW WE'RE, WE EXPERIENCE, ALL OF A SUDDEN THE LICENSING INCREASES BY, YOU KNOW, 15, 20% IF NOT MORE.
SO I THINK I, I LIKE THE TWO YEAR IDEA.
I KNOW ADAM WANTS TO KEEP IT SEPARATE.
UM, BUT AGAIN, AS I SAID, I'M, I'M, I'M ALL FOR, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT WE COVER OUR BUTTS ON, ON COSTS AND BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S COMING OUT OF TALLAHASSEE, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN NEXT YEAR, 2026, 2027.
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I MEAN, WE'VE GOTTA BE AHEAD OF THE CURVE.UM, GOVERNMENT USUALLY IS ONE YEAR BEHIND THE CURVE AND, YOU KNOW, AND JUST COCKTAIL CONVERSATION KIND OF STUFF, YOU KNOW.
BUT, UH, I, I'D LIKE TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, PROACTIVE ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.
'CAUSE I KNOW WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN CHALLENGED ON, ON A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT PROJECTS AND, AND CONCERNS.
UM, AND I READ THE ENTIRE PROCESS.
I MEAN, EVERY PAGE OF, OF DISCUSSION NUMBER 10.
SO I WAS, I WAS PREPARED TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION TONIGHT, BUT I'M GLAD I'M NOT BECAUSE I'M ALREADY TIRED.
SO,
THE VICE MAYOR'S QUESTION WAS WHETHER OR NOT TO ADD LANGUAGE ON THE NATURE OF THAT RE-REVIEW.
AND, AND THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST BE, BE A SEPARATE ITEM.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MRS. DIMMER BEFORE WE GET TO DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE BRINGING TO DISCUSSION.
UH, ANY THOUGHTS GUYS? I KNOW THAT WE'VE KIND OF HAD SOME STUFF IN HERE.
WELL, I KNOW, WELL I WOULD, I MEAN, IF YOU GUYS WOULD INDULGE ME, I'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THIS APPROVAL.
BUT IF YOU COULD AMEND SECTION THREE THAT, UM, STAFF SHALL REVIEW THE FEES AT LEAST EVERY TWO YEARS.
UM, YEAH, THAT SEPARATELY THE CONSULTANT.
SO THE, WOULD ANYBODY INTERESTED IN MAKING THAT MOTION? SO VICE MAYOR, I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION.
APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION NUMBER 43 56 WITH THE, UH, WITH THE ADDEND TO, UH, SECTION THREE.
UH, DID IT GET WHAT YOU NEED, ADAM, TO UNDERSTAND THE, OKAY.
SORRY, I WASN'T CLEAR ON THAT.
ALRIGHT, SO I HAVE A MOTION BY MR. RUSO, A SECOND BY MRS. BASSETT.
ALRIGHT, MOVING ON TO ITEM 22.
THE FIFTH MEMBER SEAT ON THIS BOARD IS HELD BY MR. TIM OLSON AND AT THE BOARD'S MAY 14TH MEETING THE BOARD REAPPOINTED MR. OLSON AS ITS FIFTH MEMBER AND COUNSEL'S DUTY IS TO JUST CONFIRM THE BOARD'S REAPPOINTMENT.
AND THAT'S OUR REQUESTED ACTION THIS EVENING.
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR KEVIN? ALL SAYING, NONE.
ALRIGHT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
APPROVAL OF, UM, OH GOSH, I GET BACK TO THAT ONE.
APPROVE A CONFIRMATION OF TIM OLSON, SENIOR AS A FIFTH MEMBER MEMBER TO THE FIREFIGHTERS PENSION PLAN BOARD OF TRUSTEES.
ALRIGHT, WE GOT A MOTION BY MS. HANLEY, A SECOND BY ME.
ITEM D, PETITIONS OR MONSTERS AND COMMUNICATIONS STARTING WITH MRS. BASSETT.
UM, I WOULD ACTUALLY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PROPOSAL SURE.
TO RENAME ATLANTIC PARK BOULEVARD TO JOSEPH PELICANO BOULEVARD AS THE CITY INITIATED STREET RENAMING.
UM, IT REQUIRES A VOTE BY CITY COUNCIL, WHICH WILL SERVE AS DIRECTION TO STAFF TO PREPARE THE ORDINANCE.
BUT I THOUGHT IT'D BE A NICE NOD TO THE FAMILY AND A GOOD, UH, GOOD THING FOR THE DEPARTMENT.
WHERE'S ATLANTIC PARK BOULEVARD? SPECIFICALLY? THAT JENNY? YEAH.
ATLANTIC PARK BOULEVARD IS THE STREET TO THE NORTH OF THE BUILDING AND IT RUNS IN BETWEEN MARTIN LUTHER KING AND BABCOCK STREET.
OH, IS IT THE IT'S A, IT'S A CUT THROUGH THAT PEOPLE USE MM-HMM
UM, NOW AS FAR, JENNY, ISN'T THERE A PROCESS WHERE LIKE, SO THE, SO THE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THE, THE REQUEST, THE REQUEST THAT MS. BASSETT HAS DESCRIBED WOULD BE THE BEGINNING OF THAT PROCESS CODE.
THE CODE ANTICIPATES, UM, WHEN, WHEN AN APPLICATION FOR STREET RENAMING IS INITIATED BY THE CITY, THIS, UM, OKAY.
MOTION AND VOTE, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING.
IT'LL GO TO CITY STAFF, THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT TO GO THROUGH THOSE OTHER, UM, PROCEDURES FOR REVIEW AND COME BACK TO YOU, UH, IN ORDINANCE FORM WITH, WITH A, WITH A RECOMMENDATION.
BUT AT LEAST THIS, THIS MOTION AND VOTE WOULD BE THAT INITIAL DIRECTION AND ACTION BY CITY COUNCIL TO SAY, OKAY, STAFF GO INITIATE THE REST OF THAT PROCESS.
UM, ANY DISCUSSIONS SIR? YEAH, UH, I, I REALLY DON'T, I REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH IT.
BUT I KNOW WE HAVE THE BUILDING IN JOSEPH, UH, PELLICANO NAME AND I'M JUST WONDERING, ARE THERE POTENTIALLY ANY OTHER POLICE OFFICERS OR PEOPLE, FIRST RESPONDERS WHO MAYBE WE COULD SORT OF HAVE THAT STREET NAME IN ADDITION TO THE BUILDING ALREADY BEING NAMED? SO, I MEAN, I'M NEW HERE, BUT I, I'M JUST WONDERING IS THAT, WOULD THAT BE A POSSIBLE CONSIDERATION IN ADDITION TO, I MEAN, WHAT'S BEEN PROPOSED POSSIBLE, BUT I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY OTHER OFFICERS WHO ARE KILLED IN LINE OF DUTY.
WELL, NOT NOW THAT, UM, YEAH, I'M NOT, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY EITHER.
BUT NOW THAT I'M THINKING ON IT, IT'S, IT KIND OF PIGGYBACKS OFF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, JENNY.
I WANNA SAY DECEMBER OR JANUARY, UM, I ASKED LIKE ABOUT LIKE HONORARY STREET NAMING.
SO YOU COULD HAVE LIKE A LITTLE, INSTEAD OF CHANGING THE WHOLE NAME, LIKE YOU JUST ADD A LITTLE THING AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU'D
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BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.MARCUS, IF THERE'S SOMETHING ON THERE WITH THAT NAME.
DID IS THAT STILL, ARE WE STILL IN THE WORKS ON THAT PIECE OF IT? SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT STREETS AND SUCH, WE ARE STILL LOOKING AT THE HONORARY NAMING.
SO, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE NAMING OF EITHER HONORARY NAMING OF LIKE SIDEWALKS AND CROSSWALKS.
SO THAT WAS ALL BEING WRAPPED UP.
I NEED TO CHECK ON THE STATUS SO THAT OKAY, GREAT.
UH, SO IF WHEN THAT PROCESS GOES THROUGH, MAYBE WE CAN START WITH THAT ON THAT.
'CAUSE IT'S GOOD IDEA, MARCUS.
THEN WE COULD JUST ADD THAT IN THERE SOMEWHERE.
I MEAN NOT, NO, NO ISSUES, BUT IT'S JUST THE FACT OF, YOU KNOW, THAT IS A VERY, I WAS AT THE BUILDING, TODAY'S LOVELY BUILDING AS WE ALL KNOW, BUT I'M, I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE ARE OTHERS, YOU KNOW, WANNA CONSIDER.
LIKE I SAY, IF WE GET, IF
SO ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE STREET NAMING? I HAVE A REQUEST BY MS. BA.
THIS HAS TO BE, UH, FULL VOTE.
CAN I HAVE A SECOND? YEAH, SURE.
AYE, UM, JENNY, I DON'T KNOW IF WE, I'VE NEVER GOTTEN BACK ANYTHING BACK FROM STAFF ABOUT THE RETAIL STRATEGIES.
IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE, UM, I NEVER GOT ANY, WE'VE NEVER GOTTEN ANYTHING.
WHETHER STAFF HAS REACHED OUT TO THEM OR ANYTHING BACK FROM THAT.
I THOUGHT, WELL, I WON'T LOOK UP WHY I'M HERE, BUT I THOUGHT I HAD SENT OUT AN EMAIL.
BUT I WILL VERIFY THAT ABOUT THE RETAIL STRATEGY.
I KNOW WE UPDATED THE MEMO AND LET, LET ME CHECK.
IF IT, IF IT DIDN'T GO OUT, IT SHOULD HAVE GONE OUT.
AND THAT WAS JUST IN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS.
AND THEN, UM, I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT KIND OF TALK ABOUT FPL, ABOUT DOING UNDERGROUND AND FPL WANTS, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T WANNA SPEND ANY MONEY UNTIL IT'S ABSOLUTE.
BUT WE ALL SPEND A BIG BUCKS COMING THE SUMMER SINCE HOW HOT IT IS.
CAN WE STILL LOOK AT THE UNDERGROUND UTILITIES? YES.
THEY HAVE SAID NO MULTIPLE TIMES, BUT WE WILL ASK AGAIN.
KEEP GOING, KEEP GOING, KEEP ASKING, I MEAN, KEEP GOING.
AND THEN THE LIGHTS ON THE OGA, UM, CAUSEWAY, THAT'S A, THAT'S AN ISSUE.
THEY KIND OF COME, THEY KIND OF GO, THEY, I MEAN I GET, I'M SURE MR. LARUSSO GETS THE SAME THING.
LIKE HOW COME THERE'S NO LIGHTS ON THAT? I'LL LOOK INTO THAT.
AND, UM, MINUTE THE CVS STILL HAS NOT GOT BACK TO US ABOUT, I MEAN THAT WAS BACK IN FEBRUARY THAT I ASKED THEM TO COME BACK ABOUT.
THE MINUTE CLINIC STILL HAVEN'T GOTTEN BACK.
I DON'T KNOW IF STAFF CAN REACH OUT TO THEM, WHY THEY, THEY WERE GOING TO BRING ABOUT MINUTE CLINIC HERE.
'CAUSE I THINK IT WOULD SAVE US MONEY, SUBSTANTIAL MONEY FOR, UM, LIKE WE HAVE, SINCE WE HAVE FAMILIES, THEY HAVE TO GO TO URGENT CARE AND IF YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, THREE OR FOUR KIDS, THAT CAN BE A, A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT MM-HMM
AND, UM, I STILL LIKE TO HAVE ENGINEER DO A FIELD TRIP TO BABCOCK RANCH.
AND I, IF YOU GUYS DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, IT'S OVER IN THE SARASOTA, I BELIEVE IT'S SARASOTA COUNTY.
AND DURING THE H LAST HURRICANE, WHICH WAS, WHAT NAME WAS THAT ONE? OH GOD.
I KNOW WE USED TO KNOW 'EM ALL, BUT THEY ONLY LOST LIKE TWO SHINGLES AND SOME PALM FRONTS.
'CAUSE THE, AND THE DEVELOPMENT WAS BROUGHT UP TO THE CODES FOR HURRICANES.
I KNOW THAT WE CAN'T RETROACTIVELY, BUT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD TO WHAT THEY HAVE.
SO THAT WILL SAVE PEOPLE MONEY DOWN THE ROAD.
AND I'M SURE THEIR INSURANCE IS A LOT CHEAPER THAN IF WE CAN KEEP MOVING FORWARD INTO THOSE SITUATIONS.
MOST PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT IF WE CAN MOVE FORWARD THOSE, WHATEVER THEY'VE DONE, WHAT IF THEY'RE DOING.
AND UM, IF WE COULD HAVE LIKE A FIELD TRIP WITH SOME, SOME OF THE, UM, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT GOING OVER THERE AND SEEING, I MEAN YOU CAN LOOK ONLINE, BUT THERE'S NOTHING LIKE GOING OVER THERE AND TOUCHING FEELING AND THEN COME BACK AND SAY WHAT THEY'VE SEEN AND WHAT, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT.
VICE MAYOR, UH, I ATTENDED THE STONE MAGNET MIDDLE SCHOOL.
UH, SOME REALLY POSITIVE THINGS ARE HAPPENING OVER AT STONE MIDDLE SCHOOL.
SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER JOHN THOMAS INVITED TO THAT.
UH, ALSO THE HISTORIC AMERICAN LEGION POST 1 91 AND I'M THE FIRST VICE, UH, UH, PRESIDENT THERE.
UH, IT WAS A REALLY GOOD TURNOUT.
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT NEXT YEAR THAT WE COVER DOWN WITH MELBOURNE
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LEADERSHIP MM-HMMUH, BUT IT, IT WAS REALLY GOOD.
WE HAD A REALLY GOOD SHOWING ON THAT.
AND THEN I, I HAVE TWO POINTS, UH, TO SORT OUT WITH PROPOSALS.
I WANT, I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST, UH, FOR THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING AS A DISCUSSION ITEM THAT, UH, I PUT TOGETHER A PROPOSAL FOR A 10 POINT, UH, I WOULD SAY SAFETY ENHANCEMENT PLAN FOR DOWNTOWN MELBOURNE AND ALSO ALITY ARTS DISTRICT.
I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION POINT ABOUT THAT THE NEXT MEETING.
AND I'VE, UH, I, I WAS ABLE TO TALK WITH CHIEF GILLESPIE AND ALSO, UH, CITY, UH, CITY MANAGER ABOUT SOME THINGS.
NOW CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE STAFF ON A COUPLE OF THOSE POINTS.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT, WELL, LET'S, LET'S DISCUSS MA'AM.
ISN'T IT THOUGH YOU'RE KINDA STEPPING INTO THE CITY MANAGER'S POSITION WHEN WE'RE, WHAT YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHAT, WHAT THE CITY MANAGER WOULD PROPOSE FOR THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE'VE GOTTA BE VERY CAREFUL WHERE WE STAND ON THIS.
LET HER DO HER JOB RATHER THAN US DO HER JOB.
THAT'S MY, MY, THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL.
WE ARE NOT THE DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS.
SHE'S THE DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS PERSON.
UM, MS. HANLEY, I DO WANNA SAY WHAT, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH HAS BROUGHT UP TO, TO ME JUST TODAY.
I, I DON'T THINK IT IS A STEPPING ON THE ADMINISTRATIVE DUTIES.
IT'S MORE SOME INITIATIVES TO BRING TO THE BUSINESS OWNERS AND TO, UM, I DON'T KNOW THE RIGHT WORD FOR IT, BUT IT, IT'S MORE TO BRING GROUPS COMMUNITY BASED, THE COMMUNITY BASED TOGETHER.
AND SO IT IS SORT OF SEPARATE US, SEPARATE THEM WHAT, WHAT ADMINISTRATION WOULD BE DOING.
SO I, I THINK THAT IT, IT COULD BE INTERESTING TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.
JUST WANNA MAKE SURE BEFORE, I APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE THERE'S, WE'VE HAD TIMES WHEN THING PEOPLE WANTED TO DO THE DATA, TELL US, TELL YOU WHAT TO DO ON THE DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS.
AND THAT'S, WE ARE, THAT'S NOT OUR JOB.
NO, AND THANK YOU, UH, JENNY FOR, FOR THOSE COMMENTS.
UH, SO, UH, DO WE NEED CONCURRENT? WELL, WELL I'VE GOT A QUESTION.
ARE, ARE YOU PROPOSING TO, TO JUMP OVER THE CRA BOARDS? NO.
ARE YOU PROPOSING TO INCORPORATE THEM AND GET THEIR, THEIR ENCOURAGEMENT AND THEIR PROCESSES AND THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS PRIOR TO BRINGING ANYTHING BACK TO STAFF? YI WOULD SAY YES.
THE ANSWER, YES, THEY'RE INCLUDED.
SO BEFORE, BEFORE WE START TALKING ABOUT THIS UHHUH
BECAUSE I HAVE YOU ATTENDED ANY OF THE ALI UH, C RCRA MEETINGS? NOT THE ALI.
I'VE BEEN TO A LOT OF THE MELBOURNE DOWNTOWN.
WELL, WELL I ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO TO THE CRA MEETING AND IF YOU'RE GONNA PROPOSE THESE THINGS FROM BOTH OF OUR DOWNTOWNS YEP.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF HISTORY THERE.
THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ENGAGED US AND THE COMMUNITY MM-HMM
IN SO MANY DIFFERENT PROCESSES THAT I DON'T WANT TO REINVENT THE WHEEL.
I I, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT TRYING TO GO OFF THE DEEP END.
BUT, BUT I DON'T WANT TO TAKE THE STAKEHOLDERS OUT OF THE PROCESS.
SO IF YOU WANNA HAVE THAT DISCUSSION, I WOULD RECOMMEND AFTER YOU HAVE THESE MEETINGS WITH THE CCRA BOARDS OKAY.
AND, AND DISCUSS YOUR 10 POINT PROGRAM.
LET THEM HAVE THE BUY-IN AND THEN WE HAVE THE DISCUSSION.
I MEAN, IT'S YOUR PROPOSAL, YOUR THING, BUT, UH, THAT'S JUST, I YOU SAID YOU'RE NEW HERE.
YOU'RE GOOD AT WHAT YOU DO AND, BUT I'M OLD HERE,
SO I, I ENCOURAGE THAT OF YOU.
SO CAN WE WORK TOGETHER? ABSOLUTELY.
WHEN CAN WE NOT? I'M FROM THE D
BUT, UM, IF, UH, WELL, WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M SENSING MARCUS, IS THAT, LET'S SAY THAT THERE'S AT LEAST TWO, LIKE ON THE EDGE, DID YOU ALREADY HAVE THIS? YOU SAID IT'S ALREADY WRITTEN UP.
THIS 10 POINT PROPOSAL IS, THIS IS A PROPOSAL.
JUST, WELL, BIG PICTURE CONCEPT.
MAYBE IF, IF YOU'RE TAKING MR. LARUSSO FEEDBACK OF TALKING TO THE CRAS YEAH.
COULD WE ALSO GET THAT EMAIL TO US IN THE MEANTIME? AND THEN YOU BRING THIS BACK UP AGAIN AFTER WE ALL GET TO DIGEST IT AND THINK ABOUT IT THERE.
WOULD THAT BE, UH, AMENABLE IF HE SENT THAT AN EMAIL OVER YEAH.
BUT LIKE THAT WAY WE'RE JUST, WE GOT SOME EYES ON IT AND ALL THAT STUFF TOO.
WOULD THAT BE OKAY WITH YOU? YEAH.
SO, SO THINK WE GOT SOME THERE.
THERE'S NO, YOU KNOW, COOKIE CUTTER TO IT.
IT IS JUST THINGS FOR US TO CONSIDER AND MASSAGE AND, YOU KNOW, BUT, BUT FROM THE LAST MEETING, YOU KNOW, IT IS JUST SURE.
COME TOGETHER AND FIGURE SOME THINGS OUT AND SEE WHAT'S POSSIBLE.
I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S AWESOME.
SO I THINK YOU GOT SOME DIRECTION THERE.
WHAT'S, WHAT'S YOUR NEXT POINT? OKAY.
AND MY FINAL POINT WAS Y'ALL HAVE A, A PROPOSAL THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU IS, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT FOR THE LAST THREE CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS, IS A PROPOSAL FOR TEMPORARY USE EXTENSION AND A FEASIBILITY STUDY, UH, AUTHORIZATION.
UH, SO JUST, UH, WAS TALKING WITH, UH, WITH KEVIN ABOUT THE SPECIAL PERMITTING PROCESS,
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UH, AND JUST, AND JUST REALLY SORT OF TALKING IT OVER AND IT'S JUST A WAY TO SORT OF CLEAR UP WHERE WE ARE AS FAR AS THE, THE BREVARD COUNTY LAND THAT'S THERE AND THE EVENTS THAT HAVE BEEN THERE, THE INTERIM LONG TERM, UH, PROPOSAL FOR, FOR PURCHASE.SO IT'S REALLY JUST, UH, LOOKING FOR, AND I, AND I SEE MY BOTTOM LINE POINT IS TO PROVIDE, AND I WOULD DEFINITELY WANNA TAKE FEEDBACK FROM, FROM STAFF, BUT TO PROVIDE THE STAFF WITH, YOU KNOW, THE APPROVAL TO GO FORWARD AND, AND, UH, PROVIDE CLARITY AS TO WHAT'S POSSIBLE FOR A TEMPORARY USE IN THE MIDST OF SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING FOR THE FUTURE.
CAN'T WAIT TILL, WAIT TILL THE COUNTY, THE STAFF ALREADY HAS A MEETING SET UP.
YOU'RE PUTTING THE, THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE.
THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT WE HAVE TO FIND OUT SINCE IT'S OWNED BY THE COUNTY.
SO LET'S NOT SPIN OUR WHEELS AND THEN WE GO THROUGH ALL THIS STUFF AND IT'S, OH, THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA LEASE IT FOR WHATEVER, FOR WHATEVER REASON.
I SAY POSTPONE THINGS UNTIL THE COUNTY HAS GIVEN US DIRECTION OF WHAT THEY'RE GONNA GO AND DO THIS, THIS ACCOUNTS FOR THAT.
I MEAN, THIS IS JUST REALLY FOR US, BUT I KNOW, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS TO HAVE CLARITY.
I DON'T WANNA SPEND THE TIME A COUNCIL MEETING, TWO HOURS, THREE HOURS DISCUSSING THIS.
AND IT DOESN'T COME TO FRUITION AT ALL.
THE STAFF HAS GOT A MEETING ON THURSDAY, LET'S SEE WHAT GOES ON WITH IT.
RATHER THAN WE CAN SIT HERE TONIGHT AND, AND IT'S ALL, YOU KNOW, UP IN THE SKY, TRULY UP IN THE SKY.
IT'S 10,000 FEET LIKE MR. LARUSSO LIKES TO SAY.
SO I LIKE, I DON'T LIKE TO SIT THERE, WASTE MY TIME WITH IT.
I WANT TO HAVE CONCRETE INFORMATION WHERE THEY'RE GOING IN THE DIRECTION BEFORE WE MAKE ANY DECISIONS, ANYTHING GOING FORWARD.
'CAUSE WE'RE JUST WASTING OUR TIME, SPINNING OUR WHEELS.
I WANT WHAT THEY'RE GONNA PROPOSE AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK AND LOOK AT IT.
NOT JUST, HEY, THEY MIGHT DO THIS OR THEY MIGHT DO THAT, AND OH WELL THEN WE CAN DO THIS UHUH.
I WANT, I WANNA KNOW WHAT THEY WANT BEFORE WE MAKE ANY TYPE OF DECISIONS OR ANYTHING.
BUT WE'RE ALREADY DEALING WITH THE SITUATION.
SO THIS IS DEALING WITH THE REALITY.
WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY'RE AT, OF WHERE WE ARE, WHERE ARE THEY AT? WHERE'S THE COUNTY? WE KNOW WHERE WE ARE.
WE KNOW WHAT THE SITUATION IS.
THE SITUATION IS THE LAND HAS ALREADY BEEN GIVEN TO BREVARD RENAISSANCE SPECIAL FOR YOUTH.
AND SO THIS IS THE CURRENT SITUATION AND THIS IS NOT US DECIDING ANYTHING THIS IS THE PROPOSAL FOR STAFF TO GO FORWARD IT, BUT YOU DON KNOW IF THEY'RE GONNA GO FORWARD WITH IT.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING WITH IT.
THEY SAY, WELL, I KNOW IT WAS A ONE EVENT LEASE, WASN'T IT? IT WAS A ONE WASN'T A ONE EVENT LEASE TOO, AND THEN THEY GOT IN THE DRIVER, WHATEVER.
BUT THAT'S, LET'S NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH, IT'S JUST, I, I'M NOT GONNA WASTE SOME, I DON'T LIKE TO SIT THERE AND LOOK, OH, THIS IS GONNA HAPPEN.
THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE'VE HAD THAT, THAT, UM, PEOPLE PROPOSE AND, AND EVERYTHING.
AND THEN IT TURNS OUT WE'RE NOT GONNA DO IT.
I DON'T WANNA SPEND MY TIME SITTING HERE FOR TWO HOURS ON A MAYBE COULD, MAYBE SHOULD.
I WANT CONCRETE INFORMATION WHAT THEIR PLAN IS.
UH, WELL, AND I THINK ALSO THAT, UM, AND JENNY, CORRECT ME IF I'M MISSPEAKING, I THINK LOOKING AT JUNE OR JULY IS WHEN WE'LL PROBABLY AT LEAST KNOW SOME INITIAL STUFF BASED ON STAFF DISCUSSION.
SO EVEN IF, SO YOU DIDN'T WASTE YOUR TIME, WE, YOU CAN USE THIS DOCUMENT FOR THOSE FUTURE DISCUSSIONS.
THEN THAT WAY IT'S MORE OF EVERYTHING'S KIND OF WRAPPED TOGETHER.
WE HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHERE WE'RE GOING ON THAT DISCUSSION.
DOES THAT, DOES THAT TIMEFRAME SOUND ABOUT RIGHT? NOT, NOT FOR EVERYTHING TO BE DONE, JUST WE KIND OF ARE SEEING WHAT'S GOING ON.
WELL, WE ARE MEETING WITH THE COUNTY ON MAY 29TH, SO ON THURSDAY.
UM, THAT'S OUR INITIAL MEETING TO SEE WHAT, WHAT POSSIBLE TERMS ARE.
WE ALSO HAVE, UM, THE SIX BULLET POINTS, SO THE FIVE OTHER BULLET POINTS THAT WE ARE WORKING ON GETTING THOSE PROPOSALS FOR, AND SOME OF THAT WE'RE DOING IN HOUSE.
UM, BUT THAT IS FOR THE PURCHASE OF THE PROPERTY.
AND SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, I THINK THAT COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH IS ASKING FOR JUST WHAT IT WOULD TAKE FOR THE REN FAIR TO HAVE ADDITIONAL EVENTS.
I'M, I'M MISUNDERSTANDING THAT THEN.
WELL, WELL, WELL, WE, WE SAY THE REN FAIR, BUT SO WHATEVER THE AGREEMENT THAT THE COUNTY HAD WITH THE RENT FAIR AND WITH, WITH PETER, SO NOW, UH, AND AGAIN, THE CLARITY IS, WAS IT ONE YEAR OF USE, BUT STILL PER EVENT AGREEMENT? I MEAN THE, THE LEASES I'VE READ IT AND UNDERSTAND IT INCLUDED BOTH ELEMENTS.
ONE YEAR, A ONE YEAR GROUND LEASE FOR AUTHORIZATION TO ORIGINALLY DO RENAISSANCE FESTIVAL AS SCHEDULED.
RIGHT? THEY DID A FIRST AMENDMENT TO THAT LEASE TO THEN ALLOW STRAWBERRY FESTIVAL IN
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FURTHER COMMUNICATION WITH BETWEEN CITY MANAGER AND COUNTY STAFF.WE ASKED FOR CLARIFICATION ON ARE THERE ANY OTHER EVENTS CURRENTLY AUTHORIZED BY THE COUNTY FOR THAT? AND THE COUNTY ATTORNEY SAID NO.
SO AS WE UNDERSTAND IT RIGHT NOW, THE COUNTY IS NOT AUTHORIZING FUTURE EVENTS ON THE SITE.
UM, AND I CAN TELL YOU FOR PURPOSES OF, OF OURS, RIGHT? THERE'S, THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT ARE GONNA COME TO A HEAD HERE ON, ON JUNE 1ST, RIGHT? THE, UH, PERMIT AGREEMENT FOR RENAISSANCE FESTIVAL AND STRAWBERRY FESTIVAL ANTICIPATED CERTAIN THINGS HAPPENING ON JUNE 1ST, INCLUDING REMOVAL OF SOME OF THOSE TEMPORARY STRUCTURES, RIGHT? SO THEY'RE EVEN, EVEN BY JUNE 10TH, YOU KNOW, THIS MEETING WITH THE COUNTY WILL GET MORE INFORMATION, RIGHT? BUT, YOU KNOW, JUNE, JULY, RIGHT THERE, UNLESS WE GET COUNCIL DIRECTION, OTHERWISE, RIGHT THERE, THERE ARE SOME THINGS OF REGULAR CODE ADMINISTRATION, THE WAY THAT SPECIAL EVENT CODE AND THESE OTHER THINGS ARE ANTICIPATING.
LIKE, OKAY, THAT'S, THAT'S ABOUT, THAT'S ABOUT THE END OF IT FOR, FOR, FOR WHAT'S GOING ON.
SO I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S MULTIPLE FACETS GOING ON HERE, RIGHT? AND SO I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, UH, MR. SMITH AND I SPOKE, SPOKE ABOUT THIS, RIGHT? HE'S LOOKING FOR AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT CODE CURRENTLY ALLOWS AND DOESN'T ALLOW, RIGHT? AND SO WE'VE, WE'VE PREVIOUSLY TALKED ABOUT SPECIAL ACTIVITY CODE ANTICIPATING A CERTAIN NUMBER OF EVENTS.
IT ALSO ANTICIPATES EVENTS OCCURRING ON PROPERTY THAT'S ZONED FOR THAT UNDERLYING, THAT UNDERLYING USE, RIGHT? MM-HMM
I I'VE ALSO TALKED TO THE, THE SEVEN OF YOU PREVIOUSLY ABOUT NOT HAVING THE SPECIAL EVENT CODE BE THE PROCESS FOR LAND DEVELOPMENT AND, AND REGULAR USE, RIGHT? AND SO THAT'S WHERE YOU START GETTING INTO REZONING OR CONDITIONAL USE FOR OUTDOOR OUTDOOR RECREATION ACTIVITIES AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
I THINK TO MS. HANLEY'S POINT, UN UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE COUNTY'S APPETITE IS TO CONTINUE TO ALLOW EVENTS OUT THERE AND CONTINUE THIS USE, RIGHT? THE LEASE, I THINK GOES TO THE END OF SEPTEMBER, RIGHT? IT'S, IT WAS SORT OF A, A FISCAL YEAR.
BUT AGAIN, IT WOULD, IT WOULD, AS, AS I UNDERSTAND IT IN THE WAY THAT THE COUNTY IS INTERPRETING AND APPLYING, IT WOULD, EVEN, EVEN ALLOWANCES FOR FUTURE EVENTS WOULD REQUIRE FUTURE FURTHER AMENDMENTS OF THAT AGREEMENT.
AND THEN THAT WOULD STILL BE PART AND PARCEL TO THE, THE THINGS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED IN OUR SPECIAL EVENT CODE AND ZONING CODE THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY ANTICIPATING THESE TEMPORARY USES OR A MORE REGULAR USE AND MM-HMM
AND DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE FOR OUTDOOR RECREATION THAT'S NOT OCCURRING PURSUANT TO OUR STANDARD ZONING ZONING, UH, APPLICATION AND, AND APPROVAL PROCESS.
SO, AND THE WAY I'M LOOKING AT IT TOO, HERE, THERE, THERE'S TWO PIECES OF YOUR DISCUSSION, ONE OF WHICH IS THE FEASIBILITY STUDY.
THEY'RE ALREADY, WE, WE APPROVED THAT LAST MEETING.
SO YOU ALREADY HAVE, THEY'RE ALREADY WORKING ON, I DON'T THINK IT WAS CALLED FEASIBILITY STUDY, BUT IT'S A STUDY STUDY.
YOU JUST SET TIME, RIGHT? RIGHT.
SO THAT'S A, SO THAT'S ALREADY TAKEN CARE OF, SO YOU ALREADY GOT THAT THERE.
AS FAR AS THE TEMPORARY USE EXTENSION, IT'S AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S MORE SO CONTINGENT ON HOW THIS STUFF GOES.
SO I THINK THAT, AGAIN, I THINK YOU PUT SOME THOUGHT INTO THIS AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S GREAT.
SO, SO WHAT THIS DOES AS FAR AS FEASIBILITY STUDY IS, BECAUSE IT'S ONE THING TO KIND OF GO CONCEPTUALLY FOR A FEASIBILITY STUDY, BUT IT'S ANOTHER THING TO ACTUALLY HAVE REAL WORLD DATA OR REAL WORLD EVENTS, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY USE AND SEE WHAT THE PAIN POINTS ARE, SEE WHAT THE ECONOMIC, YOU KNOW, BENEFITS ARE, YOU KNOW, AS OPPOSED TO WE'RE JUST SORT OF, YOU KNOW, USING, YOU KNOW, DO YOU DON'T THINK WE'RE GETTING THAT TO FIGURE OUT IF WE'RE GONNA BUY IT? BECAUSE I, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING IS WHAT I THOUGHT WE WERE GETTING SO THAT IF WE DECIDE IF WE'RE GONNA BUY THE PROPERTY, CORRECT OR NOT.
SO WE'RE ALREADY GETTING THAT FROM MY UNDERSTANDING.
SO WE'RE, I DON'T SEE, I, I DON'T SEE AN ADDITIONAL ONE DOING US ANY GOOD, BUT EITHER TYING UP STAFF OR TYING UP FUNDS THAT, THAT'S AT LEAST HOW I'M LOOKING AT THAT.
'CAUSE IT'S ALREADY HAPPENING.
SO THEN THAT'S WHY I'M MORE SO LOOKING AT THAT TEMPORARY USE PORTION, WHICH NO MATTER WHAT WE SAY OR DO ONE, THERE HAS TO BE AN AMENDMENT TO THE COUNTY CONTRACT.
AND TWO, WE'RE KIND OF IN, WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE DOING AT THE PROPERTY.
SO I'M JUST NOT SURE, LIKE I SAID, I THINK, I THINK YOU'RE LOOKING IN A WAY OF USING THAT PROPERTY.
I JUST THINK WE'RE WE'RE TOO EARLY IN THAT IN THE INTERIM.
IN INTERIM BEFORE, YOU KNOW, AS WE GET OFF TO THE, THE LONG-TERM PURCHASE USE.
WELL, AND WE COULDN'T EVEN, BUT WE COULDN'T, I DON'T, THE COUNTY COMMISSION WOULD HAVE TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT.
SO IT HAS TO GO BEFORE THAT AND WE'LL GET NOTIFIED AT THAT POINT WHETHER OR NOT TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
SO IF PETER WANTS TO HAVE ANOTHER EVENT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE'S SAYING TO YOU, BUT THAT WOULD BE WHERE HE'D HAVE TO GO.
AND BEFORE WE'D EVEN DISCUSS THAT, 'CAUSE WHY WOULD WE PUT TOGETHER AN EXTENSION OR ALL OF THIS STUFF IF THERE'S NOTHING GOING ON BETWEEN NOW AND SPRING, AND THAT'S IF THEY EVEN ALLOW HIM TO USE THE PROPERTY AGAIN.
LIKE THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT, THERE'S A LOT OF BALLS IN THE AIR, RIGHT? SO YEAH.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S ALWAYS MY 2 CENTS.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS? NO, THAT'S FINE.
SEEING NONE, WE'LL TAKE COUNCIL DIRECTION, RIGHT? I I, I, I JUST DUNNO IF YOU HAVE THE APPETITE FOR RIGHT NOW, I WOULD SUGGESTING YOU SWING BACK AROUND AFTER THE JUNE 1ST MEETING.
I'M HERE AND THEN IT'LL BE A LITTLE BIT MORE DEFINED.
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WE'RE PUTTING THE ICING ON THE CAKE BEFORE THE CAKE IS EVEN BAKED YET.IT'S, IT'S NOT BECAUSE, BECAUSE EACH, EACH TIME WE SORT OF HAVE A DISCUSSION, WE GET A, WE GET A LITTLE BIT CLOSER, GET A LITTLE BIT CLEAR, BECAUSE WE'RE STILL IN THIS, IN THIS SORT OF QUAGMIRE STATE OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT'S GOING ON, WHAT'S HAPPENING.
AND, AND AS WE, WE'VE NOTICED, UH, WE WERE AT THE MERCY OF THE COUNTY RIGHT NOW MM-HMM
AND SO ONCE WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THEIR UH, POINTS ARE, THEN WE CAN COME BACK WITH OUR POINTS.
AND SO AS A MATTER OF STRATEGY THEN, YOU KNOW, THE, THE STAFFS GET TOGETHER.
THEY, THEY, THEY, WE GIVE THEM OURS, THEY GIVE US THEIRS, AND THEN WE CAN, UH, UH, WE CAN BEGIN TO STRATEGIZE ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO POSSIBLY IMPLEMENT SOME OF THESE.
SO, SO AT THE VERY LEAST, THIS COULD BE USED POTENTIALLY AS A DATA POINT WITH THE DISCUSSION.
'CAUSE I KNOW THAT WAS FOR THE PURCHASE.
SO NOW IT'S LIKE, OKAY, WELL IN THE, IN THE, IN THE MIDDLE, IN THE INTERIM, WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS POSSIBLE.
I DON'T THINK IT'S A BAD THING.
I, I JUST THINK IT'S AHEAD OF ITS TIME.
ANYTHING ELSE, MR. SMITH? NOPE, THAT'S IT.
ALRIGHT, MR. LUSO, UM, THANK YOU FOR THE REPORT THAT YOU, UH, SUBMITTED FROM THE TALLAHASSEE TRIP.
UM, UH, UH, MISS, UH, HANLEY, I, I USED THE URGENT CARE, UNFORTUNATELY ON SATURDAY I HAD TO USE IT, THE ONE ON, ON GALLEY BOULEVARD, BUT IT IS IN MELBOURNE THOUGH, YOU KNOW, SO, SO THAT WAS OKAY.
AND IT, AND IT COST ME 50 BUCKS TO WALK IN, YOU KNOW, BUT YOU OKAY.
BUT IF YOU HAD THREE KIDS AND YOU, IT'S, I DO, I HAVE ONE KID AND THREE GRAND AND, AND TWO GRANDCHILDREN,
BUT I'M, WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN.
AND LIKE, UM, SOME OF THE OTHER COUNSEL MEMBERS HERE THAT HAS CHILDREN WHO, AND YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GOING TO THE DOCTORS A LITTLE MORE FREQUENTLY.
WHERE THE MINUTECLINIC DOESN'T CHARGE IF THEY HAVE A MINUTECLINIC, THEY DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A COPAY.
WELL, I, I, I ENCOURAGE YOUR CONVERSATION TO FOLLOW UP ON IT, YOU KNOW, TO SEE WHERE WE ARE AT IT.
YOU KNOW, I'VE HAD SOME CONVERSATION WITH AETNA AND SOME, UH, PERSONAL MATTERS.
SO, BUT I MEAN, MY OTHER THING IS, LIKE, I KNOW COCO AND SATELLITE BEACH USES, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN PRIMARY PERSON MM-HMM
AND THEY, PEOPLE DON'T HAVE A COPAY, WHICH DOES MAKE A, YOU KNOW, IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE.
AND YOU COULD HAVE A LOW, YOU KNOW, A YOUNGER, A YOUNGER, UM, EMPLOYEE GROUP A LOT OF TIMES BECAUSE OF THOSE SITUATIONS.
SO, YOU KNOW, I I WAS, I ALWAYS WANT TO LOOK AT KEEP, THEY KEEP SAYING, WELL, HOW MUCH WE'RE USING WHAT WE'RE USING, BUT IF WE HAD THE MINUTECLINIC, COULD IT BRING IT DOWN? WHAT OUR WHAT OUR RATES WOULD BE? IT, I MEAN, IT'S A GOOD POINT.
I JUST WANTED TO PIGGYBACK ON WHAT, WHAT YOU SAID, BUT DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING IS TOTALLY OH, COMPLETELY, TOTALLY.
I'M THE, YOU KNOW, I'M THE MONEY GIRL, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, I'M A GRANDPARENT NOW.
I USED TO BE A YOUNG PARENT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, USED TO BE LONG TIME AGO IN A DISTANCE FAR, FAR AWAY, YOU KNOW? BUT, BUT, BUT THOSE, BUT I GET IT.
AND I, AND I ENCOURAGE, UH, JENNY TO, UH, TO, UM, ASK, YOU KNOW, YOUR APPROPRIATE STAFF TO, TO PLEASE ASK THAT QUESTION AGAIN.
UM, THE OTHER THING I WANT TO SAY, SO URGENT CARE, UH, I WANT TO COMMEND, UH, THE, UM, UH, CHIEF, THANKS FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT.
CHIEF, UM, HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH DETECTIVE SEDAN TODAY, UM, REVIEWING SOME OF THE TAPES, UH, OVER AT COASTERS, UH, UH, PUB AND BEER GARDEN.
UH, THEY HAVE A STATE-OF-THE-ART SECURITY SYSTEM OVER THERE.
AND SO, UH, AND REFERENCING THE ALDI'S FIRE AND THE ENCOUNTER ON TOP OF THE ROOF OF A TEXAS ROADHOUSE AS WELL TOO.
AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT OUT LOUD TO YOU.
IT WAS, IT, IT WAS, IT, IT WAS GOOD GETTING TO KNOW HER OVER THIS PROCESS.
AND, UH, I ENCOURAGE, UH, ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN SAY TO HER IN ANY WAY.
SO, I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S, AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SOME OF THE OTHER RESULTS.
I, I, I TOOK THE OFFICIAL PRESS RELEASE AND, AND POSTED IT ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
UH, WE'RE STARTING TO GET SOME, POSSIBLY SOMEBODY SAW SOMETHING SOMEBODY DIDN'T SEE.
AND SO, UH, BUT THANK YOU FOR THE QUICK RESPONSE.
UH, I HAD ARGUMENTS ON SOCIAL MEDIA THAT IT IS THE CITY OF MELBOURNE.
IT IS NOT INDIAN HARBOR BEACH.
SO, AND I HAD TO ACTUALLY PULL DOWN THE, THE DISTRICT MAP AND PUT IT ON, ON, UH, SOCIAL MEDIA AND SO THAT PEOPLE WOULD SEE THAT I'VE BEEN HERE FOR 15 YEARS, I KNOW WHERE MY DISTRICT IS, YOU KNOW, SO
THANK YOU FOR HER PROFESSIONALISM AND YOURS AS WELL TOO.
UM, I'VE BEEN, UM, REACHING OUT TO SOME OF THE HOAS AND SOME OF THE BUSINESS, UH, UH, OWNERS IN MY DISTRICT, UM, LAST BUDGET SEAT.
WE'RE COMING UP TO BUDGET CONVERSATIONS, AND I KNOW THE PROCESS PRETTY WELL.
AND SO WE'VE HOAS AND I'M GETTING FEEDBACK FROM THEM AND BUSINESS OWNERS AS TO WHAT DID YOU THINK ABOUT THE PARADISE, UH, BOULEVARD, UM, THE REPAVING? WHAT DID YOU THINK ABOUT CYPRUS AVENUE? WELL, WE GOT, IT WAS A HECK OF A STORM, AND I SHARED WITH IT
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WITH YOU.UH, ONE OF THE, UH, BUSINESSES OVER THERE SAID, THANK YOU SO MUCH, BECAUSE IT WENT FROM THIS DEEP TO BONE DRY IN NO TIME AT ALL.
SO, AND, AND THAT MEANT A LOT TO HIM.
SO, I'M, I'M, UM, ENGAGING WITH, UH, A LOT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE AND A LOT OF DIFFERENT BUSINESSES, AND LIKE I SAID, HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION AND MINE AS WELL, TOO, TO GET FEEDBACK AS TO WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE MOVING TO THE NEXT BUDGET.
UM, AND, UH, GETTING READY TO HAVE MY CONVERSATIONS WITH ROSS AND WITH, UH, JENNY AND, AND ALL THE OTHER, UH, UH, FANTASTIC PROFESSIONALS THAT WE HAVE ON THIS, IN THIS ORGANIZATION.
UM, SO, UH, UH, I ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO DO THE SAME, UH, BECAUSE IT'S GONNA COME UP FAST AND FURIOUS, AND THE MORE YOU KNOW, UH, THE BETTER WE CAN SERVE, UM, UH, OUR CONSTITUENTS.
SO, I, I, I THINK THAT'S ALL FOR ME.
UM, THANK YOU FOR INDULGING ME.
I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH, UH, FOR SUPPORTING THE PARK, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE IT.
WELL, MR. GOLEMAN WAS VERY MUCH WORTH IT, AND THANK YOU FOR YEAH, FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
ONE, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU FOR EVERYBODY WATCHING AND ON TV.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE GRATEFUL THAT YOU MADE IT THROUGH THIS MEETING.
AND I WANT TO THANK THE CHIEF AS WELL FOR HIS WORK DOWNTOWN THE PAST COUPLE WEEKENDS.
UM, SINCE THAT INCIDENT, HIM AND THE TEAM, UH, OF OFFICERS DOWN THERE HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB, YOU KNOW, SHOWING PRESENCE AND BEING OUT THERE FOR OUR RESIDENTS.
IT'S, IT'S DULY NOTED AND APPRECIATED.
UM, MEMORIAL DAY, I HOPE EVERYONE HAD A WONDERFUL MEMORIAL DAY.
I, UM, HAPPENED TO GO BY THE LIBERTY BELL MUSEUM.
UM, THEY HAD AN EVENT, BUT NEXT TO THE LIBERTY BELL MUSEUM IS A PARK.
UM, IT'S A VETERAN'S PARK THAT HAS A BUNCH OF STATUES AND PLAQUES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
UM, I, I DROVE BY IT EVEN TODAY, AND THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF GRAFFITI ON THE BACK, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
THERE'S A PLAQUE THAT HAS ALL OF THE, YOU KNOW, WONDERFUL, UH, ORGANIZATIONS THAT WILL PUT THAT TOGETHER AND MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
I'M GONNA REACH OUT TO THEM AND TRY TO DO MORE OF A GRASSROOTS TYPE OF MOVEMENT TO SEE IF THEY WANNA HELP KIND OF BRING NEW LIFE TO THAT PARK.
NOW THAT, ESPECIALLY NOW ON FEE AVENUE, WE'RE SEEING A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A RENAISSANCE.
WE'RE SEEING THE PARK IS A LOT MORE USED OVER IN WELLS PARK RIGHT BY THE AUDITORIUM.
SO IF ANYBODY HAS ANY THOUGHTS OR THINGS LIKE THAT AS FAR AS COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT TO HELP REALLY KIND OF BEAUTIFY THAT PARK AND BRING IT BACK UP, UM, I'M ALL EARS.
UH, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING I'M DOING, AND WE'D LOVE Y'ALL SUPPORT ON IT.
SO, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THAT'S ALL I GOT.
SO, VICE MAYOR, SIR, BEFORE YOU, BEFORE YOU ADJOURN, IF YOU CAN INDULGE ME FOR A MOMENT.
UM, I, I DO HAVE AN ANNOUNCEMENT TO MAKE.
UM, THE CITY MANAGER AT THEIR LAST MEETING, UM, HAD THE PLEASURE OF, UH, ANNOUNCING A, A HIRE FOR A DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, UH, STARTING EARLY NEXT MONTH.
I, UH, HAVE AN ANNOUNCEMENT OF OF MY OWN.
UM, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE MY NEW DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY, UM, TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, UH, MR. MR. RICHARD BROOM.
UM, UH, RICHARD IS A LIFELONG RESIDENT OF BREVARD COUNTY AND JUST COMPLETED 20 YEARS OF SERVICE IN THE CITY OF TITUSVILLE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
UM, AND WAS LOOKING FOR A, A NEW, UH, ADVENTURE AND, UH, SAW, UH, AN OPPORTUNITY SAW, SAW AN OPPORTUNITY HERE IN, IN, UH, OUR OFFICE.
AND SO, UH, TODAY, TODAY WAS HIS VERY FIRST DAY, UM, HERE WITH THE, UH, CITY OF MELBOURNE.
AND WE ARE, UM, VERY LUCKY AND EXCITED TO HAVE HIM HERE WITH HIS VAST EXPERIENCE AND INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE OF ALL THINGS FLORIDA MUNICIPAL LAW.
UM, I TURN IT OVER TO HIM FOR A MOMENT TO, TO SAY A FEW WORDS.
I WAS MOM TOWN AND I SPENT 20 YEARS THERE, AND I LOVED IT.
GREAT CITY, BUT, UH, MELBOURNE'S A GREAT TOWN AND I'VE ENJOYED, I'VE KNOWN ADAM FOR YEARS, AND WHEN I SAW THAT HE WAS THE CITY ATTORNEY, I SAW AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME HERE AND DO GOOD THINGS AND TALKED IT OVER.
MY WIFE PRAYED ABOUT IT, AND WE THOUGHT THIS WAS THE RIGHT MOVE AT THE RIGHT TIME.
UH, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
YOU MAY HAVE ALSO WANT TO THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DID FOR MR. GOLEMAN.
PAUL WAS A GOOD MENTOR OF MINE.
I'VE KNEW PAUL FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.
CAN'T SAY ENOUGH, BUT I REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DID FOR HIM.
CONGRATULATIONS, UH, RELISH THIS MOMENT, BECAUSE THESE MEETINGS DON'T END THIS EARLY
WE DON'T GO WITH LONGEST TIMES.
OH, WE AVERAGE PROBABLY 10, 10 30 IN TI LONGEST WAS FOUR 30 IN THE MORNING, BUT OH IDEA REALLY DID.
BUT NOTHING GOOD HAPPENS AFTER MIDNIGHT.
SO CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR NEW POSITION.
AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THROUGH ADAM OR ANYTHING, I'M, UH, I'LL MAKE MYSELF AVAILABLE FOR, FOR ANY CHALLENGES OR ANY OPPORTUNITIES TO, UH, FURTHER THE, UH, INTEREST OF THE CITY.
WE'RE GONNA ADJOURN THIS MEETING AT 8 44.