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SO SICK OF IT WHILE I WAS THERE, BUT NOW I KIND OF MISS IT. YEAH. THEN WE WENT. WE STAYED WITH

[1. Invocation - Mayor Paul Alfrey]

THE BABIES. GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO THE JANUARY 13TH, 2026 REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING. BEFORE WE BEGIN THE MEETING, LET ME REVIEW THE PROCEDURES FOR THE MEETING. IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK, COMPLETE A REQUEST TO SPEAK FORM LOCATED AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE COUNCIL CHAMBER AND SUBMIT THE FORM TO THE SERGEANT AT ARMS. WHEN YOUR NAME HAS BEEN CALLED, YOU THE MICROPHONE AT THE LECTERN ON THE AUDIENCE'S RIGHT, AND EITHER STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS OR YOUR NAME AND CITY. SPEAK TO THE CITY COUNCIL. THE BODY. DO NOT ADDRESS THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS INDIVIDUALLY. BE MINDFUL OF THE TIME ON THE LECTERN AND WRAP UP YOUR COMMENTS BEFORE YOUR SPEAKING TIME ENDS. THE TIME LIMIT THEIR POST ON THE REQUEST TO SPEAK. FORM AN APPLICANT REPRESENTATIVE, A PERSON WHO HAS A LEGAL STANDING TO SUPPORT OR OPPOSE A QUASI JUDICIAL MATTER WILL BE PERMITTED ENOUGH TIME, AS WILL BE DETERMINED BY THE CITY COUNCIL, TO CREATE A RECORD BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL. ANY PERSON WHO MAKES A PERSONAL, IMPERTINENT, SLANDEROUS REMARK BECOMES BOISTEROUS AND DISRESPECTFUL. WHILE ADDRESS.

THE CITY COUNCIL WILL BE ORDERED TO LEAVE THE COUNCIL CHAMBER. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US THIS EVENING. WE'LL BEGIN WITH THE INVOCATION. IF YOU WISH TO PARTICIPATE, PLEASE STAND TONIGHT. THE INVOCATION BE GIVEN BY PASTOR TONY HAWK. CHURCH ON THE ROCK. THANK YOU, PASTOR TONY HAWK. ALL RIGHT, LET'S PRAY. LORD JESUS, I WANT TO START OFF BY THANKING YOU.

THANK YOU FOR LIFE, FOR BREATH, FOR THIS BEAUTIFUL CREATION, FOR THE JOYFUL MEMORIES, AND FOR THE COMFORT WE EXPERIENCE IN SORROWFUL TIMES. BUT MOST OF ALL, I THANK YOU FOR THE CROSS.

THANK YOU THAT YOU CARE ENOUGH ABOUT US TO DIE FOR US. TAKING ALL THE CRUD, THE HATE, THE HARM AND THE MALEVOLENCE OF HELLISH HUMANITY UPON YOURSELF AND KILLING IT IN YOUR OWN BODY AS YOU DIED WITH IT FOR COMING BACK TO LIFE AND OFFERING US YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS. NOT THAT WE WOULD TRY TO ACHIEVE IT, BUT WHICH IS IMPOSSIBLE, BUT WHICH WE WOULD SIMPLY STAND IN IT.

THE GIFT YOU OFFERED. AND I ACCEPT THAT GIFT. AND FINALLY, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR EVER PRESENT HELP IN OUR TIME OF NEED. YOU ARE OUR HOPE FOR OUR PAST, FUTURE AND THIS VERY PRESENT MOMENT. AND BOY DO WE NEED YOU. I ADMIT THAT THINGS ARE HARD, CIRCUMSTANCES ARE CONFUSING AND COMPLICATED, WHICH IS PART OF THE REASON WE ARE MEETING HERE TO TALK THINGS OUT IN HOPES OF COMING UP WITH GOOD SOLUTIONS. SO GIVE US WISDOM AS WE DO SO, AND AS WE ARE SURE TO DISAGREE WITH SOME OF THE IDEAS PRESENTED. GIVE US THE GRACE AND HUMILITY AND PATIENCE AND EVEN CONSIDERATION OF THOSE IDEAS. LASTLY, I WANT TO LIFT UP BEFORE YOU ALL THE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM, OUR MAYOR, OUR CITY COUNCIL, AND THE PEOPLE OF MELBOURNE WHO CARE ENOUGH ABOUT THEIR CITY TO COME HERE TONIGHT. I PRAY YOU RESTORE ANY BROKEN RELATIONSHIPS THAT MIGHT EXIST AMONG THESE PEOPLE, THAT YOU WOULD BIND UP THE BROKENHEARTED, THAT YOU WOULD PROVIDE US BREAKTHROUGH IN WHATEVER STICKY SITUATION THEY MIGHT FIND THEMSELVES IN FOR SUCCESS AT WORK, FOR TIMES OF REFRESHING, AND MOST OF ALL, THAT EVERYONE WOULD COME TO KNOW AND ACTUALLY EXPERIENCE YOU. WHICH IS THE GREATEST THING THAT I'VE EVER EXPERIENCED IN YOUR NAME, LORD JESUS, I PRAY THIS. AMEN. AMEN. PLEASE JOIN US FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. ITEM NUMBER THREE. ROLL CALL COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER LARUSSO. PRESENT. COUNCILMEMBER NEWMAN HERE. COUNCILMEMBER. BASSETT. COUNCILMEMBER HANLEY HERE. VICE MAYOR KENNEDY. MAYOR ALFREY AND I AM HERE. PROCLAMATION, PROCLAMATION AND

[5. Approval of Minutes - December 9, 2025 Regular Meeting]

PRESENTATIONS. WE DO NOT HAVE ANY. MOVING ON TO NUMBER FIVE. APPROVAL OF MINUTES DECEMBER 9TH, 2025 REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING. MAYOR. GO AHEAD MA'AM. I APPROVED I, I ASKED FOR APPROVAL FOR THE MINUTES FOR THE DECEMBER 9TH, 2025 REGULAR MEETING MINUTES. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION BY SECOND BY MISS BASSETT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE AYE.

[6. City Manager's Report]

MOTION PASSES. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER SIX. CITY MANAGER'S REPORT, MISS LAMB. YES. IN ADDITION TO THE WRITTEN REPORT, I WANTED TO TOUCH ON JUST A COUPLE ITEMS. ONE IS DISCUSSION ITEMS. WE HAVE SEVERAL DISCUSSION ITEMS THAT HAVE SORT OF BEEN PUSHED BACK SEVERAL TIMES. TENTATIVELY, WE'RE PLANNING A DISCUSSION ITEM, THE SECOND MEETING IN JANUARY FOR CODE OF CONDUCT. AND YOU KNOW, THAT COULD STILL SHIFT, BUT I'M GETTING A NOD OVER HERE THAT WE SHOULD BE READY. THE OTHER TWO, WE HAD ONE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS, AND STAFF WAS READY TO DO THAT OVER THE SUMMER. BUT NOW THAT WE'VE HAD, WE'VE UPDATED OR WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF UPDATING ALL OF OUR NUMBERS SO THAT WHEN WE DO REPORT ON IT, WE CAN REPORT ON THE YEAR OF 2025, NUMBER OF PERMITS, REVIEW TIMES AND SO FORTH, AND GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS. SO WE SHOULD BE READY FOR THAT FOR ONE OF THE FEBRUARY MEETINGS. AND THEN ANOTHER DISCUSSION ITEM THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT WAS THE CODE ENFORCEMENT DISCUSSION ITEM. SO THAT ONE WILL BE AFTER WE DO THE DEVELOPMENT ITEM. AND I'M THINKING MORE END OF MARCH SOMETIME IN APRIL FOR THAT ONE. SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A HEADS UP THAT WE ARE ALSO

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LOOKING AT THE AGENDA. IF IT'S A VERY FULL AGENDA, WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT IT AT THE END OF THE AGENDA. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT AT THE QUANTITY OF ITEMS AND MOVING THOSE AROUND, BUT THOSE HAVE NOT FALLEN OFF OUR RADAR. THE OTHER THING IS, IS THAT WE DO HAVE A SAVE THE DATE, AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL SEND OUT. IT'S NOT REQUIRED OF COUNCIL. IT'S OPTIONAL ON TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 10TH. BUT I JUST WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON THIS ITEM. SO TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 10TH AT 8:30 A.M. HERE IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBER IT IS SMALL BUSINESS COMMUNITY. IT IS FOR THE IT SAYS CITY OF MELBOURNE IS EXPLORING IDEAS FOR NEW SMALL BUSINESS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS, SPECIFICALLY IN THE DOWNTOWN CRA AREA. SO THAT'S AN ITEM THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING UP ON. THAT COUNCIL HAD HAD HAD GIVEN US DIRECTION ON. THERE IS ANOTHER ONE, AND I DON'T HAVE ALL OF THE INFORMATION WITH ME TONIGHT, BUT I DID WANT TO GIVE YOU A HEADS UP THAT STAFF IS TRYING TO PREPARE A PUBLIC MEETING ON THE FIRE STATIONS.

NOT SO MUCH TO GO OVER THE RESULTS, BUT OUR TIMELINE FOR FIGURING OUT WE HAD THE SITES THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT, AND WE THINK WE KNOW WHEN WE'RE GOING TO WRAP UP, PROBABLY IN ABOUT 8 TO 10 WEEKS ON THE ONE SITE. BUT AS PART OF OUR FOLLOW UP, IT WAS TO TO HAVE ANOTHER CONVERSATION WITH THE RESIDENTS TO SEE WHAT THEIR CONCERNS WERE AND SEE IF THERE WAS ANYTHING WE COULD DO. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT POSSIBLY SCHEDULING A MEETING FOR FEBRUARY 16TH ON THAT. THAT WOULD NOT BE A MORNING MEETING. THAT WOULD BE A 530 TO 730 MEETING. AND I WILL TALK TO EACH OF YOU ONE ON ONE ABOUT THAT MEETING. IT'S NOT THIS IS WHAT WE'VE DECIDED.

THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING FORWARD WITH. IT IS WE ARE EXPLORING THE OPTIONS, AND WE WANTED TO SEE IF THIS COULD STILL BE A FEASIBLE OPTION. SO WITH THAT, I WILL, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ANOTHER ONE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT TOWARDS THE BEGINNING WAS DOING A WORKSHOP OR A MEETING ON DOING BUSINESS WITH THE CITY. THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT YOU AND I KIND OF BROUGHT UP. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S ON THE RECORD FOR WHATEVER TIMELINE. WE COULD DO SOMETHING WITH THAT. SO DID WE RECEIVE CONSENSUS THAT WE WERE DOING A SPECIFIC DISCUSSION ITEM ON THAT? WELL, I KNOW WE KIND OF KNOW WE DID NOT GET CONSENSUS ON THAT. THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT YOU AND I. BUT MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WITH THE BUSINESS THAT WE CAN BRING THAT IN TO THAT SAME MEETING, BECAUSE I THINK IT IT KIND OF THAT WAS MORE CRA THAT ONE WE WAS TALKING ABOUT, IT WAS MORE JUST WHAT IS OUR PROCESS? HOW DO WE GET, YOU KNOW, MORE LET YOU KNOW ENTITIES KNOW WHERE TO GO TO FOR THE CONTRACTS. AND I'LL TELL YOU, IT WOULDN'T BE A BAD IDEA THAT THAT IF EVEN IF OUR A COUNCIL MEMBER EVEN TAKES IT UPON THEMSELVES TO EVEN PUT THAT INFORMATION OUT AS WELL. SO I DON'T I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED A FULL MEETING, BUT I MEAN, IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO GET OUT. I HAVE TO AGREE WITH YOU, OKAY. BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING BIG ON THAT, WE ARE LOOKING AT POSSIBLY CHANGING WHERE WE ADVERTISE OUR CONTRACTS. THAT'S SOMETHING STAFF IS LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW.

SO I'D LIKE TO GET THAT RESOLVED BEFORE WE PUT ANY NEW INFORMATION OUT. THE OTHER THING IS THERE'S DIFFERENT IDEAS ON, YOU KNOW, LIKE WITH THE TRAINING, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT THAT WE DID PUT LIKE A TRAINING VIDEO ONLINE FOR THAT. SO THAT'S AN OPTION TOO, RATHER THAN I'M NOT SURE A WORKSHOP IS NECESSARILY APPROPRIATE FOR THAT. DO A WEBINAR ON THE WEBSITE. YOU KNOW, ONLINE. I KNOW THERE'S ALREADY SOMETHING THERE'S A DOING BUSINESS WITH THE CITY, BUT WE CAN ENHANCE THAT, ENHANCE WHAT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE MOST PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GO TO LOOK AT IT. BECAUSE IF YOU JUST HAVE ONE MEETING, MAYBE 3 OR 5 MONTHS DOWN THE LINE, SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO COME IN AND THEY'RE LIKE, WELL, I WASN'T THINKING ABOUT IT. SO WITH YOU, IF YOU HAVE A WEBINAR LIKE A WEBINAR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT ONLINE, I THINK THAT WOULD BE THAT WOULD BE MORE I THINK THAT WOULD BE PRODUCTIVE. I AGREE WITH THAT. AND IT'D BE A LOT FASTER AND IT WOULD STAY THERE.

YEAH, YEAH. AND I AND A TIMING STANDPOINT OF IT, WE TALKED ABOUT DOING IT AS AN ANNUAL THING. IT WASN'T ANYTHING ON A ONGOING BASIS. YEAH. BUT I MEAN I THINK THIS WEBINAR IS A LOT OF, A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT BUSINESSES, DIFFERENT TIMES DEALING WITH WHAT I DO. I HAVE SOME CLIENTS THAT I HAVE TO TALK TO AT 5:00 IN THE MORNING. I HAVE TO OTHER CLIENTS. I'M TALKING TO THEM AT 10:00 AT NIGHT. SO THERE'S NO PERFECT TIMING, AND I'D RATHER DO IT WHEN THEY'RE HAVE THE HAVE THE TIME TO SIT DOWN AND DO THAT. AND IF THEY HAVE QUESTIONS, THEY CAN ALWAYS CALL CALL HERE AT THE CITY. OKAY. PERFECT. GO AHEAD MA'AM. JUST A CLARIFYING CITY MANAGER. THE FEBRUARY 16TH FOR THE FIRE STATION. RIGHT. THAT'S PRESIDENT'S DAY, ISN'T IT? NO. AM I OFF ON DATES? THAT SOUNDS ABOUT RIGHT. CONSIDERED THAT TENTATIVELY THAT DAY. WE WILL NOW TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. YOU'RE SAYING YOU WON'T BE HERE? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? I CAN I JUST THAT THE TEACHER IN YOU. THANK YOU. WE ARE OPEN ON PRESIDENT'S DAY, BUT THAT COULD BE A FACTOR FOR OTHER PEOPLE. SO WE'LL TAKE

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A LOOK AT THAT, OKAY. PERFECT. ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. MOVING ON. ITEM SEVEN. PUBLIC COMMENT. NO PUBLIC COMMENT. WOW. ALL RIGHT THEN WE'LL MOVE TO MAY MOVE ALONG TONIGHT. THEN WE'RE GOING

[8. Ordinance No. 2025-41 (AV2025-0002): (Second Reading/Public Hearing) An ordinance vacating a bike path easement between 2465 Wild Wood Drive and 2455 Wild Wood Drive. (Postponed - 9/11/2025, 10/14/2025) (First Reading - 12/9/2025)]

TO MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER EIGHT INTO UNFINISHED BUSINESS. SO WE'RE GOING TO BE. AUDIT ORDINANCE MR. CONLEY THANK YOU. MAYOR. ORDINANCE NUMBER 20 2541, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, PROVIDING FOR THE VACATION OF A 15 FOOT WIDE BIKE PATH EASEMENT THAT RUNS ACROSS THE EAST 15FT OF LOT 118 BLOCK A OF THE WICKHAM FOREST PHASE ONE PLAT BETWEEN 2465 AND 2455 WILDWOOD DRIVE, MAKING FINDINGS PROVIDING FOR A CONDITION OF APPROVAL. PROVIDING THAT THIS ORDINANCE SHALL BE RECORDED IN THE PUBLIC RECORDS OF BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND PROVIDING AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE. THANK YOU SIR, REPORTING ON THIS ENGINEER. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL, THIS IS THE SECOND READING. I DO NOT HAVE ANY FURTHER INFORMATION TO ADD TO THIS, AND WE HAVE NOT HAD ANYBODY REACH OUT TO OUR OFFICE SINCE THE PREVIOUS MEETING. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. OKAY. THIS IS A QUASI JUDICIAL I MEAN DISCLOSURES. I NOTE NO DISCLOSURES. THE PUBLIC HEARING. OPEN PUBLIC HEARING, NO SIGN UP SHEET. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL. MAYOR. GOOD. MA'AM. REQUEST APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 20 2541. SECOND, HAVE A MOTION BY MISS BASSETT. SECOND BY VICE MAYOR, AND WE'LL DO A ROLL CALL. VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER.

SMITH. COUNCILMEMBER LARUSSO. COUNCILMEMBER. NEWMAN. COUNCILMEMBER. COUNCILMEMBER.

HANLEY. VICE MAYOR. KENNEDY. MAYOR ALFREY AND I VOTE AYE. THAT MOTION PASSES. MOVING ON

[9. Ordinance No. 2025-53 and Ordinance No. 2025-54, Lansing RV Storage: (Second Reading/Public Hearing) Ordinances providing for a Comprehensive Plan amendment and zoning designation, with site plan approval for an outdoor RV storage area on 6.25± acres, located on the north side of Lansing Street, east of North Wickham Road, and south of Lake Washington Road. (Owner - LAWS HALL PARTNERSHIP LLP) (Applicant/Representative - Justin Archey) (P&Z Board - 11/6/2025) (First Reading - 12/9/2025)]

TO ITEM NUMBER NINE. IT'S GOING TO BE ORDINANCE 2025 5354. THANK YOU. MAYOR, THIS IS ORDINANCE NUMBER 20 2553. AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, RELATING TO COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING, MAKING FINDINGS, AMENDING APPENDIX D, CHAPTER FOUR, SECTION 4.04 OF THE CITY CODE. AMENDING THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BY CHANGING THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION FROM GENERAL COMMERCIAL TO HEAVY COMMERCIAL ON A 1.83 PLUS OR MINUS ACRE PORTION. LOT FOUR OF AN OVERALL 6.25 PLUS OR MINUS ACRE PROPERTY. LOTS THREE AND FOUR OF THE LANSING SQUARE COMMERCIAL SUBDIVISION, LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF LANSING STREET, EAST OF NORTH WICKHAM ROAD AND SOUTH OF LAKE WASHINGTON ROAD, PROVIDING FOR A CONDITION OF APPROVAL.

PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE, AND PROVIDING AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE TOGETHER WITH ORDINANCE NUMBER 20 2554. AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP AS IT RELATES TO GENERAL ZONING ORDINANCE NUMBER 2005. DASH 120 BY CHANGING THE EXISTING ZONING FROM C-2 GENERAL COMMERCIAL TO M-1 LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ON A 1.83 PLUS OR MINUS ACRE PORTION, LOT FOUR OF AN OVERALL 6.25 PLUS OR MINUS ACRE PROPERTY. LOTS THREE AND FOUR OF THE LANSING SQUARE COMMERCIAL SUBDIVISION, LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF LANSING STREET, EAST OF NORTH WICKHAM ROAD AND SOUTH OF LAKE WASHINGTON ROAD. PROVIDING FOR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, PROVIDING EFFECTIVE DATE, AND PROVIDING AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE. THANK YOU SIR. REPORTING ON THIS. YES. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THE ONLY THING I'LL MENTION ON THIS ITEM, SECOND READING, YOU ARE GOING TO BE TAKING ACTION ON THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL THIS EVENING. YES.

OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS DITTMAR? I NOTE NO QUESTIONS. THIS IS A QUASI JUDICIAL ITEM.

ANY DISCLOSURES? I KNOW NO DISCLOSURES. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT THERE'S NO SIGN UP SHEET. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING BACK TO COUNCIL. MAYOR. GO AHEAD, VICE MAYOR. I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 20 2553. BASED UPON THE FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS CONTAINED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEMORANDUM. SECOND, HAVE A MOTION BY VICE MAYOR, SECOND BY MRS. BASSETT ON A ROLL CALL VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER. SMITH. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER LARUSSO. COUNCIL MEMBER. NEWMAN. COUNCILMEMBER. BASSETT. COUNCIL MEMBER. HANLEY. VICE MAYOR.

KENNEDY. MAYOR. ALFRED. HEMODYNAMICS AND PASSES. MB. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? MAYOR. VICE MAYOR. I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 20 2554. BASED UPON THE FINDINGS IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEMORANDUM AND THE CONDITIONS CONTAINED IN THE STAFF MEMORANDUM. SECOND OF A MOTION BY VICE MAYOR AND A SECOND BY MISS BASSETT. ROLL CALL VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH.

AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER LARUSSO. COUNCIL MEMBER. NEWMAN. COUNCIL MEMBER. BASSETT. COUNCILMEMBER.

HANLEY. VICE MAYOR. KENNEDY. MAYOR. ALFREY. I VOTE AYE AND MOTION PASSES AND SEE. MAYOR.

VICE MAYOR. I MOVE FOR THE APPROVAL OF PLAN 2024 DASH 19 BASED UPON THE FINDINGS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEMORANDUM AND THE CONDITIONS CONTAINED IN THE STAFF MEMORANDUM. SECOND, HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND BY MISS BASSETT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE AYE, AND THAT MOTION PASSES. ALRIGHT. MOVING ON TO ITEM

[10. Ordinance No. 2025-60 (AV2025-0004): (Second Reading/Public Hearing) An ordinance vacating a three-foot-wide by 40-foot-long portion of the 10-foot-wide public utility and drainage easement that runs along the east lot line of Lot 68 of the Rio Villa Unit III plat (3093 Rio Bonita Street). (First Reading - 12/9/2025)]

NUMBER TEN. THIS IS GOING TO BE ORDINANCE 20 2560, MR. CONNELLY. THANK YOU MAYOR. AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, PROVIDING FOR THE VACATION OF A THREE FOOT WIDE BY 40 FOOT LONG PORTION OF A TEN FOOT WIDE PUBLIC UTILITY AND DRAINAGE EASEMENT THAT RUNS ALONG THE EAST LOT LINE OF LOT 68 OF THE RIO VILLA UNIT THREE PLAT 3093, RIO BONITA STREET MAKING FINDINGS PROVIDING THAT THIS ORDINANCE SHALL BE RECORDED IN THE PUBLIC RECORDS OF BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND PROVIDING AN

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ADOPTION SCHEDULE. THANK YOU SIR. REPORT ON THIS IS MR. ERNEST. OKAY. THANK YOU AGAIN.

MAYOR. THIS IS THE SECOND READING OF THIS ORDINANCE FOR VACATING A THREE FOOT WIDE EASEMENT. THIS IS TO THE RESIDENTS HAVE REQUESTED IT TO BRING THE POOL ENCLOSURE BACK INTO COMPLIANCE SO THAT THEY CAN DO RESCREEN AND REPAIRS. PREVIOUSLY, COUNCIL HAD INQUIRED WHAT THE COST WAS FOR DOING ONE OF THESE ABANDONED AND VACATE REQUESTS FOR EASEMENTS. THAT'S APPROXIMATELY $780 FOR THE PROCESS, AND THEN WE CHARGE A DIRECT FEE BASED ON THE ADVERTISING COST ON TOP OF THAT. SO 780 FOR THE CITY COST. AND THEN WE PASS ALONG THE ADVERTISEMENT COST FOR THE ABANDONED AND VACATE. SO THAT'S USUALLY AROUND 3 TO $400. OKAY.

THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS MAYOR REAL QUICK I'M NOT GOING TO REHASH OLD BUSINESS. YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT THIS. NOW WE'VE GOT THE NUMBERS $780 PLUS THREE, $400 ON A MISTAKE THAT A CONTRACTOR, A BUILDER MADE. AND SO THIS IS YEARS LATER. SO I STILL WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME PATHWAY AND HOW WE CAN REMEDY THIS FOR THE CITIZEN, FOR THE FOR THE HOMEOWNER, THE RESIDENT, SO THAT THEY'RE NOT BURDENED WITH THIS COST AND THIS WHOLE OPERATION OF SORTS. THAT'S ALL.

I'M STILL LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING THAT CONVERSATION WITH YOU ALL. MISS LAMBE, THERE'S A COUPLE OPTIONS HERE. CITY ATTORNEY JUST BROUGHT ONE OF THEM UP. WE COULD ADD THIS AS AN ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW INSTEAD OF IT COMING TO COUNCIL. AND THEN THAT WOULD ELIMINATE SOME OF THOSE COSTS. BUT THE OTHER THING THAT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE IS THAT POOL WAS PROBABLY PUT IN 20 PLUS YEARS AGO, AND WHO KNOWS WHEN THE CAGE THE SCREEN WAS PUT IN AROUND IT. AND THESE ARE NEWER OWNERS. FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THAT'S MOSTLY USUALLY THE CASE.

AND WHEN YOU BUY A HOME, WHAT DO YOU GET? YOU GET A SURVEY. AND THAT SURVEY PROBABLY SHOWED THAT POOL AND THAT ENCLOSURE AND THAT EASEMENT. SO THEY MAY JUST BE DOING CLEANUP FOR THAT.

IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE. IT'S NOT. IT'S THAT THEY GO TO REDO THEIR SCREEN AND IT'S LIKE, OH, WE NEED TO FOLLOW THE RULES THIS TIME. BUT THAT IS SOMETHING FOR US TO CONSIDER AS AN ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW. AND THAT WOULD HELP REDUCE THE COSTS. OKAY. PERFECT. ANY QUESTIONS? DO YOU WANT TO GO. SHOULD WE GO IN SAY CAN WE GO FORWARD WITH THE ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW. THAT WOULD BE A CODE CHANGE, AN ORDINANCE CHANGE. SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'D HAVE TO BRING BACK. BUT IF THERE'S COUNCIL CONSENSUS WE CAN START WORKING ON THAT. AND MAYOR 20 YEAR OLD HOUSE. IT'S PRETTY NEW HOUSE IN THIS COMMUNITY ESPECIALLY OVER. AND IT'S BEACHSIDE. SO IT'S IN RIO VILLA. YOU KNOW I KNOW THE DISTRICT. IT'S FINE. YEAH I LIVE DOWN THE STREET. SO IT'S IT'S A LITTLE DISHEARTENING, ESPECIALLY IN THAT WHOLE AREA THAT SEEMS TO HAVE HAPPENED. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT CONVERSATION. OKAY. THIS IS A QUASI ITEM. DISCLOSURES I NOTE NO DISCLOSURES. THE PUBLIC HEARING BUT WE HAVE NO SIGN UP SHEET. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL. MAYOR. SIR, APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 20 2560. OKAY. AND I'LL SECOND THAT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY MR. LARUSSO. I'LL SECOND THAT ONE FOR ITEM NUMBER TEN. ROLL CALL. VOTE, PLEASE. COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH. AYE.

COUNCILMEMBER LARUSSO. COUNCILMEMBER. NEWMAN. COUNCILMEMBER. BASSETT.

COUNCILMEMBER. HANLEY. VICE MAYOR. KENNEDY. MAYOR ALFREY I VOTE AYE, AND THAT MOTION

[11. Ordinance No. 2025-61, Ordinance No. 2025-62, and Ordinance No. 2025-63, The Preserve Multi-Family Residential: (Second Reading/Public Hearing) Ordinances providing for an annexation, comprehensive plan amendment, zoning amendment, with site plan approval on an overall 17.65±-acre property, located on the west side of North Wickham Road, north of Post Road, at Preserve Drive/Pebble Creek Street. (Owner – Shannash Properties, Inc. Stephen Novacki) (Applicant- Kimley Horn; Tyler Enright, P.E.) (Representative - Land Development Strategies, LLC; Kelly Delmonico) (P&Z Board – 11/20/2025) (First Reading - 12/9/2025)]

PASSES. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 11. MR. CONNELLY, THIS IS A PART OF A LONG ONE. THANK YOU, MAYOR, AND YEAH, PLEASE BEAR WITH ME. FIRST IS ORDINANCE NUMBER 20 2561, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, PROVIDING FOR THE ANNEXATION OF 17.65 PLUS OR MINUS ACRES OF LAND LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF NORTH WICKHAM ROAD, NORTH OF POST ROAD AT PRESERVE DRIVE, SLASH PEBBLE CREEK STREET, PROVIDING FOR THE EXTENSION OF THE CORPORATE LIMITS AND BOUNDARIES THEREOF, PROVIDING THAT THIS ORDINANCE SHALL BE RECORDED IN THE PUBLIC RECORDS OF BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND PROVIDING AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE TOGETHER WITH ORDINANCE NUMBER 20 2562. AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, RELATING TO COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING, MAKING FINDINGS, AMENDING APPENDIX D, CHAPTER FOUR, SECTION 4.04 OF THE CITY CODE. AMENDING THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BY ESTABLISHING A MIXED USE FUTURE LAND USE MAP CLASSIFICATION ON 17.65 PLUS OR MINUS ACRES OF LAND LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF NORTH WICKHAM ROAD AND NORTH OF POST ROAD AT PRESERVE DRIVE, SLASH PEBBLE CREEK STREET, PROVIDING EFFECTIVE DATE AND PROVIDING AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE TOGETHER WITH ORDINANCE NUMBER 20 2563. AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP AS IT RELATES TO THE GENERAL ZONING ORDINANCE NUMBER 2005 120 BY ESTABLISHING R2 ONE TWO AND MULTI-FAMILY DWELLING MEDIUM DENSITY DISTRICT ZONING ON 17.65 PLUS OR MINUS ACRES OF LAND LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF NORTH WICKHAM ROAD AND NORTH OF POST ROAD AT PRESERVE DRIVE. SLASH PEBBLE CREEK STREET, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND PROVIDING ADOPTION SCHEDULE. OKAY. THANK YOU. SIR. REPORTING ON THIS IS MISS DITTMER. HI. YES, JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS. ON SECOND READING FOR THIS ITEM, I DID JUST WANT TO CLOSE THE LOOP. I DID MENTION VERBALLY DURING THE FIRST READING THAT WE CALCULATED THE PETITION. JUST WANTED TO REMIND COUNCIL THAT'S IN YOUR PACKAGE. THE MAP

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HERE ON THE MONITORS DO SHOW THE PROPERTIES THAT WERE IN OPPOSITION THAT EQUALED 0.03% OF THE PROPERTY WITHIN THE 500 FOOT RADIUS, AND WANTED TO ALSO MENTION THAT YOU'LL BE DOING SITE PLAN APPROVAL ITEM D WITH THIS. AND THEN ALSO WANTED TO MENTION THERE WAS ONE ERROR ON YOUR ITEM SUMMARY REPORT THAT REFERENCED A WRONG MAP APPLICATION NUMBER. IT SAID 2025 WHEN IT SHOULD. THEY'RE ALL 2024 APPLICATIONS. ALL OF THE THE BACKUP MATERIAL, THE ORDINANCES. THOSE ARE ALL CORRECT, BUT JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT FOR THE RECORD SAKE OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU MA'AM. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS DITTMER? NO. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. WE HAVE ONE SIGN UP SHEET. JUST. BUT IT'S FOR THE APPLICANT. IF ANYBODY HAS A QUESTION FOR HIM. IF NOT, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL.

OKAY. ANY DOES ANY DISCLOSURES YOU PUT NO ONE THERE. THERE'S NO NONE ON THERE I DID I DID ON THE FIRST READING. YEAH BUT BUT NO ON THE REPORT OF. NO BUT THAT'S FINE. ANY ANY QUASI JUDICIAL ITEM DISCLOSURES FROM THE FIRST JUST FROM THE FIRST ORIGINAL. OKAY, OKAY. AND OKAY.

WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL. I KNOW IT'S PROBABLY I KNOW IT'S GOING TO PASS, BUT WE GOT TO BE CAREFUL. WE KEEP PUTTING ALL THESE APARTMENTS HERE OFF OF WICKHAM ROAD. BEING THAT I'M ON THERE EVERY DAY. BUT THERE'S A IF WE'RE PUTTING ALL THESE APARTMENTS, BUT WE'RE NOT HAVING THE SERVICES, THE DOCTORS, THE DENTISTS, ALL THESE OTHER THINGS THAT PEOPLE NEED IN THE PEOPLE WANT AND THEY'RE THEY DON'T WANT TO BE GOING TEN MILES TO THE GO TO THE DOCTORS TO GO TO THEIR PRIMARY DOCTOR OR GO TO THE DENTIST. THEY USUALLY WANT THEM IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. SO WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT RATHER THAN, I KNOW THIS IS PROBABLY GOING TO PASS, BUT GOING FORWARD, LET'S LOOK AT NOT JUST SAY, YES, WE'RE GOING TO PUT ALL THESE APARTMENTS TO PEOPLE, BUT IF WE DON'T HAVE THE SERVICES, DON'T HAVE THE GROCERY STORES, THE LITTLE STORES THAT PEOPLE NEED IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS BEHIND IT, THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT GOING FORWARD. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THIS? VICE MAYOR, I MOVE THE APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 20 2561 BASED UPON THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEMORANDUM. SECOND, A MOTION BY VICE MAYOR SECONDED BY. COUNCIL MEMBER NEWMAN. ALL RIGHT. TO. YOU. GONE FOR A WHILE. ARE YOU STILL HERE? HAPPY NEW YEAR. OH, WAIT. SO ROLL CALL. VOTE ON THIS. COUNCILMEMBER SMITH. COUNCILMEMBER LARUSSO.

COUNCILMEMBER. NEWMAN. COUNCILMEMBER. BASSETT. COUNCILMEMBER. HANLEY. VICE MAYOR. KENNEDY. MAYOR ALFRED I. MOTION PASSES. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 13. REPORTING ON THIS IS MR. ERNEST. NO, SORRY, MAYOR. THERE'S ITEMS B THROUGH. B. D I APOLOGIZE. OKAY, I'M LOOKING I'M LOOKING AT AUDIT NUMBER 20 2560. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR B I APOLOGIZE, MAYOR MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 20 2562. BASED ON THE FINDINGS AND CONSIDERATIONS OF THE PLANNING ZONING BOARD, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. IT'S THE NEW YEAR. YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S HUNG OVER. WE'RE DOING SO GOOD, SO GOOD. MAYOR. THAT WAS A STAFF MEMORANDUM.

YEAH, I THINK I THINK IT'S THE THE THE FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS IN THE STAFF MEMO. OKAY. SECOND, BASED UPON BASED UPON THE FINDINGS CONTAINED IN THE STAFF MEMORANDUM, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ROLL CALL VOTE. AND THERE THERE WERE CONDITIONS AS WELL. SO I DON'T WANT TO JUST ADOPT THE FINDINGS. IT WAS I THINK IT'S FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS. YEAH. OKAY. RESTATE.

SORRY. MY APOLOGIES. I'M I'M DOESN'T HAVE THAT. THAT'S OKAY. SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND RESTATE THE MOTION APPROVAL NUMBER 20 2562. BASED UPON THE FINDINGS CONTAINED IN THE STAFF MEMORANDUM, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND AND ROLL CALL. VOTE, PLEASE. COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER LARUSSO. COUNCILMEMBER. NEWMAN. COUNCILMEMBER. BASSETT.

COUNCILMEMBER. HANLEY. NAY. VICE MAYOR. KENNEDY. MAYOR. ALFREY I. MOTION PASSES AND WE DO HAVE A MOTION. MAYOR. GO AHEAD. MA'AM, I MOVE THE APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 20 2563 BASED UPON THE FINDINGS CONTAINED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEMORANDUM. SECOND, HAVE A MOTION BY VICE MAYOR, SECOND BY MR. NEWMAN. ROLL CALL. VOTE. COUNCILMEMBER. SMITH.

COUNCILMEMBER LARUSSO. COUNCILMEMBER. COUNCILMEMBER. BASSETT. AYE. COUNCILMEMBER.

HANLEY. VICE MAYOR. KENNEDY. MAYOR ALFREY. AND THAT MOTION PASSES AND WE HAVE A MOTION FOR THIS. MAYOR. VICE MAYOR, I MOVE FOR THE APPROVAL OF PLAN 20 2426, BASED UPON THE FINDINGS

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AND CONDITIONS CONTAINED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEMORANDUM. SECOND OF A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE, AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NAY, AND I VOTE AYE.

SO IT'S IT'S SIX ONE. OKAY. THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 12. NUMBER 20 2564.

[12. Ordinance No. 2025-64, Reasonable Accommodation – Certified Recovery Residences: (Second Reading/Public Hearing) An ordinance amending City Code Appendix D, Chapter 1, Article I, by creating Section 1.02, entitled “Reasonable Accommodation - Certified Recovery Residences,” as it relates to new Florida Statute requirements. (Applicant - City of Melbourne) (P&Z Board - 11/20/2025) (First Reading - 12/9/2025)]

THANK YOU MAYOR. AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, RELATING TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, MAKING FINDINGS, AMENDING APPENDIX D OF THE CITY CODE ENTITLED LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDING CHAPTER ONE LAND DEVELOPMENT. GENERAL PROVISIONS AMENDING ARTICLE ONE. IN GENERAL CREATING A NEW SECTION 1.02 REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION.

CERTIFIED RECOVERY RESIDENCES, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND INTERPRETATION, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND PROVIDING AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE. OKAY. THANK YOU. REPORT ON THIS IS MR. ERNEST. ACTUALLY IT'S NOT. IT'S MISS DITTMER, ITEM NUMBER 12. I'M LOOKING AT I'M LOOKING AT 13, BUT 12. YES. AND YOU DON'T LOOK LIKE MR. THANK YOU. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER TO ADD ON THIS ITEM. NOTHING TO ADD. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS DITTMER? NO. ALL RIGHT.

THE PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE ANY SIGN UP SHEETS? CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL. MAYOR. GO AHEAD. MA'AM, APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE 20 2025 DASH 64. BASED UPON THE FINDINGS CONTAINED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEMORANDUM. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION BY MISS HANLEY. SECOND, BY MR. NEWMAN. ROLL CALL. VOTE, PLEASE. COUNCILMEMBER SMITH.

COUNCILMEMBER LARUSSO. COUNCILMEMBER. NEWMAN. COUNCILMEMBER. BASSETT.

COUNCILMEMBER. HANLEY. VICE MAYOR. KENNEDY. MAYOR ALFREY I VOTE AYE, AND THAT MOTION PASSES. HELLO, MR. ELLIS. ALL RIGHT, NOT MISS DITTMER, ITEM NUMBER 13. THIS IS A RESOLUTION

[13. Resolution No. 4394: A resolution authorizing the approval of a Locally Funded Agreement between the Florida Department of Transportation and the City of Melbourne for the Ellis Road Widening Project and authorization for the City Manager to execute the agreement.]

FOR APPROVAL OF A LOCALLY FUNDED AGREEMENT WITH THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION FOR THE ELLIS ROAD WIDENING PROJECT. THE ELLIS ROAD WIDENING PROJECT IS COUNCIL IS FAMILIAR WITH AS A PRIORITY PROJECT TO WITH SPACE COAST TRANSPORTATION PLANNING ORGANIZATION TO PROVIDE A ENLARGED CONNECTION BETWEEN I-95 AND THE MELBOURNE ORLANDO INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT. JULY 2023 COUNCIL COMMITTED $1.1 MILLION TO TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEES FOR COUNTY ROADWAYS AND SUPPORT OF THIS REGIONALLY SIGNIFICANT ROADWAY. IN DECEMBER 2024, THE SPACE COAST TPO, DOT AND BREVARD COUNTY ANNOUNCED IT HAD OBTAINED ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR THE PROJECT. IN 2020 5TH FEBRUARY, CITY COUNCIL APPROVED AN OFF SYSTEM CONSTRUCTION MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT AND THEN THE FINAL PHASE OF DESIGN FOR THIS PROJECT IS EXPECTED TO BE ADVERTISED FOR CONSTRUCTION IN JUNE OF 2026. AT THIS TIME, DOT IS REQUESTING THE CITY ENTER INTO THE LOCALLY FUNDED AGREEMENT PROVIDING FOR THE CITY'S FUNDING COMMITMENT IN ANTICIPATION OF THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT. REGIONAL FUNDING COMMITMENT OF THE PROJECT IS $1.1 MILLION WAS TO BE DERIVED FROM ZONE ONE TWO OF THE TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEES FOR COUNTY ROADWAYS. HOWEVER, DUE TO RECENT SHIFTS IN DEVELOPMENT REDEVELOPMENT PATTERNS, THE PRIMARY SOURCE OF FUNDING FOR THIS PROJECT WILL BE ZONE TWO TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEES FOR COUNTY ROADWAYS. FUNDING IS AVAILABLE IN THE PROJECT BUDGET PROJECT NUMBER 64126 AND WE'RE REQUESTING APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION NUMBER 4394 OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. ERNEST? YES. GOOD. MISS HANLEY, I THINK THE QUESTION HOW ARE WE HAVE OTHER COMMUNITIES. WE THIS IS NOT A MELBOURNE ROAD AND ELLIS ROAD IS NOT A MELBOURNE ROAD. WHERE WHERE THE WIDENING IS IT IS A COUNTY ROAD AND IS WEST MELBOURNE ROAD. SINCE I'M ON THE TPO, I LIKE TO TELL EVERYBODY HOW MUCH DID WEST MELBOURNE PUT INTO THIS ROAD? WEST MELBOURNE ALLOCATED $500,000 FOR THEIR ROAD FOR THEIR PORTION OF THE ROADWAY. BREVARD COUNTY ALLOCATED APPROXIMATELY 7.4 MILLION. AS WE DISCUSSED, WE'VE ALLOCATED 1.1 MILLION. AND THEN THE DOT HAS MADE UP THE BALANCE OF THE PROJECT BETWEEN CONSTRUCTION FUNDS, TPO FUNDS, TRIP AND FUNDS, WHICH GRANT FUNDING AND A STATE INFRASTRUCTURE BANK LOAN. SO THOSE ARE THE FOUR MAIN SOURCES OF FUNDING. THAT IS, THEY HAD TO PULL PULL IT OUT OF WEST MELBOURNE AND IT'S NOT OUR ROAD, BUT WE'RE DOING IT. I'M DOING IT. PARDON ME. I'M SORRY, MISS HANLEY, BUT I DON'T. THIS IS MONEY THAT WE COULD HAVE FOR OUR CITY ROADS, BUT WE'RE WE'RE PICKING UP THE TAB FOR WEST MELBOURNE AND WEST MELBOURNE. I BELIEVE THIS IS MAY OR MAY. THE ONLY TIME WE GET TO TALK REALLY ABOUT THIS KIND OF STUFF. THIS COLLABORATION BETWEEN MANY AGENCIES AND MANY TOWNS. WELL, I UNDERSTAND, BUT IT STARTED WITH THE THE INTERCHANGE ON 95. I MEAN, ON, ON THE 95 PARKWAY.

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AND SO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INTO THE AIRPORT ALONE IS WORTH THE INVESTMENT FROM ALL THESE AGENCIES GOING INTO IT'S NOT JUST OUR THEIR ROAD, HIS ROAD, THEIR ROAD WORK, BANKING ON FDOT, FAA, WITH THEIR GRANTS. THEY LOOK AT THIS TO SEE IF WE QUALIFY FOR MANY OTHER GRANTS FOR THE AIRPORT. SO THIS IS A BROADER BRUSH. IT REALLY IS I UNDERSTAND. BUT THEY'RE WEST MELBOURNE HAD A THING OF WELL, IT'S NOT FOR THE BENEFIT OF US BUT IT'S THE ROAD. WHAT DO YOU MEAN? THEY THEY HAVE SPOKEN AND SAID, WHY ARE WE PUTTING THIS MONEY UP? BECAUSE IT'S BENEFITING MELBOURNE. IT'S NOT BENEFITING OUR CITY. OKAY. THAT'S FINE OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD. I JUST DON'T WANT TO BE SAYING THAT HERE. WE PUT 1.1 AND IT'S THERE. WE'RE IT'S THEIR ROAD. BUT YET MELBOURNE IS PAYING FOR IT. THAT'S PAYING ALL OF IT.

WE'RE PAYING A PORTION. BUT THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE MAKING IT SOUND LIKE. BUT WE'RE PAYING.

WE'RE PAYING MORE THAN WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO. HOLD ON. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD.

WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD. WE'RE DOING SO WELL TONIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE GOING DOWN THAT PATH. ALL RIGHT. NO, KEEP IT MOVING I UNDERSTAND I UNDERSTAND IT'S A REAL PET PEEVE BECAUSE I GET THE WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT WELL IT'S BENEFITING YOU. WE DON'T HAVE ANY BENEFIT. THEY DON'T BELIEVE THEY HAVE ANY BENEFIT. WELL, THEY ALSO GOT SEVEN MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL WITH 14 PEOPLE LIVING IN THE CITY. SO IT DOESN'T MATTER OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. YEAH. GO AHEAD. SIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE A RESOLUTION. NUMBER 43, 94. SECOND. SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION BY MR. NEWMAN. SECOND, BY MR. SMITH. THERE YOU GO. YES.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. I NEVER LIKED YOU. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE AYE, AND THAT MOTION

[14. Resolution No. 4395: A resolution authorizing a Contract for Sale and Purchase between the City of Melbourne and L3 Harris Technologies, Inc., for property located at 1025 W. Hibiscus Boulevard, Melbourne, FL for the Hibiscus Boulevard Booster Pump Station, Project No. 31319 - $376,000 plus closing costs.]

PASSES. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, LET'S SEE HERE. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 14. REPORTING ON THIS IS MISS MAGNOLIA. LOOKS LIKE MISS MAGNOLIA. ARE YOU DOING GOOD? HOW ARE YOU? HAPPY NEW YEAR. HAPPY NEW YEAR. DID YOU GROW AN INCH? I WISH IT'S JUST THE SHOES. OKAY. GOTCHA.

THE SHOES. GOOD EVENING. MAYOR COUNCIL, THIS ITEM IS A FOR A RESOLUTION TO AUTHORIZE A CONTRACT FOR SALE AND PURCHASE BETWEEN THE CITY OF MELBOURNE AND L3 HARRIS FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1025 WEST HIBISCUS BOULEVARD IN MELBOURNE. AND UP ON YOUR SCREEN, YOU SEE THAT IS THE L3 HARRIS, THE FULL PROPERTY. AND AT THE VERY SOUTH END YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE RED GOES INTO THE PROPERTY AND GOES RIGHT AROUND OUR EXISTING BOOSTER STATION. WE HAVE AN EXISTING 1 MILLION GALLON TANK AND A BOOSTER STATION THERE. AND WHEN WE PREVIOUSLY HAD DONE SOME WATER MODELING, WE WERE LOOKING FOR A LOCATION TO PUT A NEW STORAGE TANK, AND IT'S BEEN IN THE BUDGET FOR QUITE SOME TIME, AT LEAST FOR THE DESIGN PORTION. AND PREVIOUSLY THE WATER MODELING SHOWED THAT THE HIBISCUS LOCATION IS ACTUALLY THE MOST EFFICIENT AND BEST LOCATION. IT HELPS TO MOVE THE WATER TO THE DOWNTOWN AND THEN WON 92 OUT TO THE BEACHES. NONE OF THE OTHER LOCATIONS THAT WE LOOKED AT WHERE THERE WAS VACANT LAND PROVIDED THE SAME BENEFIT AS FAR AS WATER AGE AND WATER QUALITY. SO IN THE FACT THAT SINCE WE PUT THAT PROJECT IN THE BUDGET, IT HADN'T REALLY MOVED, WE DECIDED THAT THIS YEAR WE THOUGHT WE WOULD AT LEAST ASK L3 HARRIS IF THEY WOULD BE INTERESTED INTERESTED IN SELLING A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS ON THE NEXT SLIDE. AND BASICALLY WE JUST SQUARED IT UP SO THAT IT'S AN ADDITIONAL, I THINK, 1.7 ACRES. IT'S CURRENTLY A 1.71. WE CURRENTLY HAVE 0.59. SO ON THE EXISTING SITE IT'S VERY TIGHT. NO, NO WAY TO MAKE ANY ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS. SO BY GAINING THE ADDITIONAL PROPERTY WE CAN BUILD A 2 MILLION GALLON TANK WHICH WILL DOUBLE THE SIZE AND HAVE ROOM FOR THE GENERATOR, ELECTRICAL BUILDING AND ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS WE NEED THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY. PROPERTY CURRENTLY JUST HAS SOME OVERFLOW PARKING FOR L3 HARRIS, AND WHEN WE MADE CONTACT WITH L3 HARRIS, THEY WERE VERY INTERESTED IN MAKING A DEAL WITH US AND WE'VE HAD THE PROPERTY APPRAISED. WE WENT THROUGH THE THE FEDERAL UNIFORM RELOCATION AND REAL PROPERTY ACQUISITION POLICY. SO WE FOLLOWED THAT. GETTING THE APPRAISAL, HAVING TO GET A

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SURVEY CURRENTLY AND A PHASE ONE ASSESSMENT. AND THE APPRAISAL WAS FOR THE $376,000.

AND SO WE REQUEST THE APPROVAL OF THE RESOLUTION FOR THE PROPERTY PURCHASE AND CLOSING COSTS. ONE OF THE REASONS TO BRING IT UP IS BECAUSE WE WILL BE HAVING TO COME BACK TO YOU WHEN WE DO THE DESIGN. SO WE IT WASN'T NECESSARILY REQUIRED TO BRING THIS TONIGHT FOR A PROPERTY PURCHASE, BUT SINCE WE'LL BE BACK, WE CERTAINLY WANT TO MAKE SURE BEFORE WE PURCHASE THE PROPERTY THAT COUNCIL WAS. NOT OPPOSED TO IT. OKAY. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS? QUESTION. YES, SIR. I SOUND LIKE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY AS WE CONTINUE TO EXPAND AND GROW FOR SERVICE FOR THE RESIDENTS. SO JUST BIG PICTURE QUESTIONS RELATED TO THIS. SO WITH THE PURCHASE OF THIS PROPERTY APPROVAL, ANY IDEA TIMELINE WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO KIND OF GET IT READY AND MAYBE START TO BUILD THAT. YES. WELL I MEAN, SO I THINK IT'S LIKE ANOTHER 60 DAYS TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS TO CLOSE. AND THEN WE'D LIKE TO GET IT A TASK ORDER IF WE CAN, AND GET STARTED WITH THE DESIGN. THIS YEAR WE'RE ALREADY FUNDED FOR DESIGN, AND WE MAY BE USING A COMBINATION OF EITHER SOME FEDERAL LOANS OR SRF, OR THE BOND FUNDING IS WHAT WILL BE USED FOR THE CONSTRUCTION. OKAY, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. IF WE HAVE DO WE HAVE A MOTION I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION 4395. SECOND I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE.

[15. CONSENT AGENDA:]

ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE AYE, AND THAT MOTION PASSES. ITEM NUMBER 15. THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS A THROUGH P WITH NOTHING PULLED. DO WE HAVE A MOTION, MAYOR? GO AHEAD. MA'AM, REQUEST APPROVAL OF CONSENT ITEMS FROM A THROUGH P, AND I'LL SECOND THAT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES 16. NOTHING WAS PULLED. SO WE'RE MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 17.

[17. Contract Award for Group Medical and Ancillary Coverage to United Healthcare Insurance Company, Inc.]

THIS IS THE RUTH. LOVEJOY. HOW ARE YOU DOING? GOOD. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, CITY STAFF, MELBOURNE RESIDENTS AND OTHER GUESTS. GOOD EVENING. I'M RUTH LOVEJOY, HUMAN RESOURCES MANAGER. ALSO IN ATTENDANCE THIS EVENING ARE REPRESENTATIVES FROM BROWN AND BROWN AND UNITED HEALTHCARE. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THE 2627 PLAN YEAR COMPREHENSIVE BENEFIT PACKAGE AT THE DECEMBER 9TH, 2025 COUNCIL MEETING. APPROVAL WAS GRANTED FOR STAFF TO BEGIN NEGOTIATIONS WITH UNITED HEALTHCARE FOR THE MEDICAL INSURANCE, AS WELL AS THE ANCILLARY BENEFITS THOSE NEGOTIATIONS HAVE CONCLUDED.

AND BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING IS THE REQUEST TO APPROVE THE CONTRACT, AND I WILL DEFER TO DANIELLE BOYLE, SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT OF EMPLOYEE BENEFITS, BROWN AND BROWN, TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE CONTRACT AND PLAN OPTIONS. AND SHE DOES HAVE A SMALL PRESENTATION. WOULD ANYONE LIKE A PAPER COPY OF THIS? DO YOU WANT YOU WANT A PAPER COPY? COPY. SURE SURE, SURE. I THINK $300,000 FOR THE PAPER. I KNOW, I JUST LIKE THE BIG PAPER. IT'S DEDUCTIBLE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ARE WE SURE THERE IS A COPY FOR EVERYONE TONIGHT? SO GOOD EVENING. NICE TO SEE YOU ALL AGAIN. TO REFRESH YOUR MEMORY, I AM DANIELLE BOYLE, SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT WITH BROWN AND BROWN INSURANCE, AND WE HAVE HAD THE PLEASURE OF WORKING WITH THE CITY THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS. AS THE NEXT PHASE, WE BROUGHT FORTH THE OPTIONS THAT WERE RECOMMENDED AND ARE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ALONG THE WAY. THE PLANS FOR 2026. WE DID KEEP THE RECOMMENDATION THAT I PRESENTED AT THE LAST MEETING, WITH ALL FIVE OPTIONS TO PROVIDE YOUR EMPLOYEES WITH A MENU OF PLANS TO PICK THE ONE THAT BEST MEETS THEIR FAMILY NEEDS. WE HAVE THE CHOICE PLAN THAT WE REVIEWED THAT'S THE MOST LIKE YOUR CURRENT PLANS TODAY. IT'S THE FULL NATIONAL NETWORK. SIMILAR OR IT MATCHES YOUR PLAN DESIGN THAT YOU HAVE WITH THE HMO, WHERE THE BULK OF YOUR EMPLOYEES ARE ENROLLED.

RIGHT NOW, THE SUREST PLAN, WHICH IS THE TECH ENABLED ZERO DEDUCTIBLE PLAN, THAT MAY BE A GREAT FIT FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE LOOKING FOR ALL IN PRICING, AND LIKE THAT AIRBNB FEEL OF BEING ABLE TO LOOK AT A PHONE AND SEE THE PRICE FOR SERVICES. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BASED ON

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LAST MONTH'S MEETING, THEN I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THAT. ON THE SUREST PLAN. THE HMO PLAN HAS THE LOWER DEDUCTIBLE THAN WHAT YOU HAVE TODAY, AND IT IS PRICED SIGNIFICANTLY BELOW. AND IT CAN BE A GREAT OPTION FOR FAMILIES THAT ARE LOOKING FOR THAT EXTRA PER PAYCHECK, SAVINGS IN THEIR PREMIUM AND THE LOWER COPAYS THAT THAT PLAN AFFORDS. IT DOES COME WITH A NARROWER NETWORK, WHICH WOULD BE EXPLAINED DURING OPEN ENROLLMENT. THE CHOICE HSA PLAN.

THIS IS FOR SOMEONE WHO IS LOOKING FOR A HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNT. I'VE OUTLINED AT THE TOP OF THE SCREEN AND AT THE TOP OF YOUR PAGE WHAT AN HSA IS. IT'S AN EMPLOYEE OWNED SAVINGS ACCOUNT. THE CITY DOES NOT CURRENTLY OFFER A HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNT. IT HAS TO BE PAIRED WITH A HIGH DEDUCTIBLE HEALTH PLAN UNDER IRS REGULATIONS. AND THERE ARE SOME TAX ADVANTAGES THAT GO ALONG WITH THAT. AND SO IF IT MAKES SENSE FOR THE EMPLOYEE, THEY WILL SEE PRETAX CONTRIBUTIONS, TAX FREE GROWTH. SO ONCE YOU HAVE $1,000 IN YOUR HSA YOU CAN INVEST IT IN THOSE INVESTMENT. EARNINGS ARE NOT TAXED. TAX FREE WITHDRAWALS FOR ANY QUALIFIED MEDICAL, DENTAL OR VISION EXPENSES FOR THE EMPLOYEE OR ANY OF THEIR TAX DEPENDENTS, WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE ENROLLED ON ANY OF THE PLANS. SO THAT CAN MAKE SENSE FOR SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT HIGH. UTILIZERS OF THE HEALTH PLAN. THE HSA PLAN, SAME PLAN DESIGN AS THE CHOICE, BUT IT COMES WITH A LOWER PRICE POINT. IT CAN BE A GREAT OPTION FOR A LOW UTILIZER OF THE HEALTH PLAN THAT DOESN'T MIND THE NARROW NETWORK AND IS REALLY LOOKING FOR THAT PRETAX VEHICLE, BUT ALSO THE LOWER PREMIUM. ALL PLANS, AS YOU'LL SEE, WILL HAVE $0 EMPLOYEE ONLY COVERAGE, AND THE DEPENDENT COVERAGE WILL PAY LESS. TODAY, AMONGST ALL THE PLANS AND ALL THE TIERS, MY QUESTION FOR YOU. YES, SIR. YES, SIR. YOU REALLY? YOU POINTED OUT THAT THE SUREST PLAN HAS AN APP. SO I GUESS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS, WHAT ARE THE OTHER PLANS SHOW UP AS FAR AS THE TECHNOLOGY, THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO SEE ALL OF THEM HAVE APPS. SO THE SUREST PLAN IS APP DRIVEN. SO THERE IS AN APP THAT EMPLOYEES WOULD HAVE THAT THEY PUT IN THE NAME OF THE PROCEDURE THAT THEY'RE HAVING. THE AN EXAMPLE THAT I WOULD SAY IS HAVING A BABY, AND IT WILL PULL UP THE COST OF THAT FULL CONTINUUM OF CARE OF HAVING A BABY AT ALL OF THE FACILITIES IN YOUR AREA SO IT CAN RANGE AND YOU'LL SEE IN A MOMENT WHAT THAT RANGE IS. AND IT REALLY DRIVES EMPLOYEES TO PROVIDERS AND FACILITIES WITH BETTER OUTCOMES AND MORE EFFICIENT CARE. AND SO BEHIND THE SCENES, THERE'S AN ALGORITHM THAT SAYS, IS THIS PROVIDER OR FACILITY HAVE MORE READMISSIONS, MORE COMPLICATIONS? ARE THEY MORE EFFICIENT WITH THEIR CARE DELIVERY? IT'S NOT LOWEST COST NECESSARILY. IT'S JUST BETTER OUTCOMES AND LOWEST COST COMBINED. AND THE OTHER PLANS TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YOU HAVE AN APP JUST LIKE YOU HAVE TODAY WITH AETNA WHERE YOU CAN SEARCH FOR PROVIDER. YOU CAN PULL YOUR EXPLANATION OF BENEFITS. YOU CAN LOOK AT THE NETWORK DIRECTORY, THE BASIC THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TODAY. THE SUREST PLAN JUST TAKES THAT AS MORE OF A SHOPPING EXPERIENCE, WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE TRUE PRICE. AND UNLIKE PLANS, EVERY OTHER PLAN ON THE MARKET WHERE YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW THE PRICE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO PAY FOR THAT FULL CONTINUUM OF CARE, THERE'S NO SURPRISE IT'LL SHOW YOU ALL IN $600 FOR THAT BABY. OKAY? HAVE THAT BABY OKAY. A LOT ON THIS PAGE, BUT IT'S RECAP FROM THE LAST MEETING. AND WHAT WE'RE SHOWING HERE ARE YOUR TWO PLANS THAT YOU HAVE TODAY WITH AETNA ON THE LEFT. THE DEDUCTIBLES, THE CO-PAYS, THE OUT OF POCKET MAXIMUMS AT THE VERY BOTTOM, THE TOTAL PREMIUM THAT AETNA CHARGES PER MONTH ON THE RIGHT. WE HAVE THE PLANS THAT I JUST DESCRIBED TO YOU BUT WITH THE DETAILS. SO FOR THE SUREST PLAN IT'S THE SECOND ONE FROM THE LEFT UNDER SUREST YOU'LL SEE THAT IT HAS NO DEDUCTIBLE. IT DOES HAVE A $6,000 OUT OF POCKET MAXIMUM. BUT THAT IS DIFFICULT TO GET TO BECAUSE EVERYTHING ON A PLAN HAS A COPAY. SO THERE'S NO DEDUCTIBLE AND COINSURANCE.

THERE'S NO SURPRISE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT MY CHARGE IS GOING TO BE. AN EXAMPLE THAT I'VE LEARNED IS YOU GO TO THE DERMATOLOGIST, NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS AT THE DERMATOLOGIST, WHETHER THEY DO A BIOPSY OR NOT. IT IS THAT COPAY FOR THE DERMATOLOGIST. YOU'LL SEE THE TOTAL PREMIUMS AT THE BOTTOM. AND THEN I'VE ALSO CALCULATED THE ANNUAL SAVINGS. AND THIS IS THE TOTAL PREMIUM SAVINGS, NOT THE CITY VERSUS EMPLOYEE YET. SO YOU'LL SEE FOR THE MOST EXPENSIVE PLAN, WHICH IS THE CHOICE PLAN, EMPLOYEE ONLY IS ABOUT $283 IN SAVINGS PER MONTH.

THAT'S THE PREMIUM THAT UNITEDHEALTHCARE CHARGES. AND THEN ALL THE WAY OVER TO THE RIGHT, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE HSA PLAN OR SORRY, THAT IS ANNUAL. AND ON THE FAR RIGHT, YOU CAN SEE THE HSA PLAN, WHICH IS THE LOWEST COST. IT SAVES A TOTAL OF $4,829 PER YEAR IN PREMIUM, AND FOR A FAMILY, OVER 16,000. SO THERE'S PREMIUM. THAT IS, THERE'S A VERY THERE'S A VARIETY OF PREMIUMS THAT ARE CHARGED AND BASED ON WHAT WILL MAKE SENSE FOR THE EMPLOYEE, THEY WILL CHOOSE WHAT WHAT THEY DO. THAT WILL MAKE MORE SENSE IN A MOMENT WHEN I SHOW YOU THE EMPLOYEE CONTRIBUTIONS. SO THE EMPLOYEE CONTRIBUTIONS IN GRAY, YOU'LL SEE WHAT THEY'RE PAYING

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TODAY. THIS IS PER MONTH. SO PER MONTH EMPLOYEE ONLY THEY HAVE FREE. SO THE VAST MAJORITY OF YOUR EMPLOYEE ONLY ARE ENROLLED ON YOUR HMO PLAN. BUT MOST OF THE DEPENDENT TIERS ARE AS WELL. FOR EXAMPLE, A FAMILY ON YOUR CURRENT HMO IS PAYING $389 PER MONTH OUT OF THEIR PAYCHECK. AS YOU GO ACROSS THE SPECTRUM, YOU CAN SEE THAT FOR FAMILY COVERAGE, THE UHC CHOICE PLAN IS PRICED BELOW THAT AT $380, BUT THE SUREST IS 320, THE HMO, 270, THE CHOICE HSA AT 220, AND THE HSA AT 150. SO THERE COULD BE REAL PREMIUM DOLLARS THAT ARE SAVED. AND I HAVE A FURTHER EXHIBIT THAT'LL SHOW WHAT THAT IS PER PAY FOR AN EMPLOYEE. AND THESE I RECOMMENDED THESE CONTRIBUTIONS, AND THEY WERE REVIEWED BY YOUR FINANCE TEAM AND LEADERSHIP.

AND THEY ONCE I EXPLAINED WHY THEY WERE SET UP THAT WAY, IT MADE SENSE. YOU WANT TO HAVE AN ELEMENT OF CHOICE WHEN EMPLOYEES ARE GOING THROUGH THEIR OPTIONS. RIGHT NOW, YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS ARE ALMOST IDENTICAL. AND SO WHEN AN EMPLOYEE IS GOING THROUGH OPEN ENROLLMENT, THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE, THEY DON'T STOP AND THINK. THEY JUST SAY, KEEP ME IN WHAT I HAVE TODAY. NOW WE'RE GIVING THEM THE EDUCATION AND PLAN DESIGN DIFFERENTIATORS, BUT ALSO CHARGING THE APPROPRIATE AMOUNT BECAUSE OF A NARROW NETWORK OR A HIGHER DEDUCTIBLE OR A THE SUREST PLAN IS JUST PRICED BELOW THE CHOICE PLAN. THAT'S WHAT UNITEDHEALTHCARE CHARGES. SO WE'RE PRICING IT A LITTLE AS WELL. NO ONE IN THE AUDIENCE CAN SEE THIS, BUT THERE IS A LOT ON THIS PAGE REALLY. THE POINT OF IT IS ON THE FAR RIGHT, THE PER PAY CHANGE FROM THE HMO PLAN TODAY IS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO CALL OUT FOR THE CHOICE PLAN.

IT'S NOT SIGNIFICANT. IT'S ABOUT 3 TO $5 PER PAY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO SAVE IF THEY STAY IN THE PLAN. THAT IS WHAT THEY HAVE TODAY. AS YOU GO DOWN THE PAGE, YOU CAN SEE FOR THE SUREST PLAN AN EMPLOYEE WITH FAMILY COVERAGE WOULD SAVE $35 PER PAY. THOSE THAT ARE ON THE HSA PLAN ALL THE WAY AT THE BOTTOM WOULD SEE THE MOST SAVINGS AT 100, AND JUST UNDER $120 PER PAY. IF THEY TAKE THAT PLAN VERSUS STAYING WHERE THEY'RE AT TODAY. SO BECAUSE THE PREMIUMS ARE DIFFERENT AND THE PLAN DESIGNS ARE DIFFERENT, THERE ARE SOME ASSUMPTIONS THAT IT'S OUR JOB TO MAKE AND HELP YOU FIGURE OUT WHERE WE THINK PEOPLE WILL LAND. THIS IS AN ESTIMATE, BUT WE HAVE ASSUMED THAT 60% OF THOSE WITH EMPLOYEE ONLY COVERAGE UNDER THIS MODEL WILL STAY WHERE THEY'RE AT TODAY. THEY'LL SAY, I DON'T. ALL THE REST OF IT MAKES NO SENSE TO ME. I DON'T WANT TO LEARN ABOUT IT. I'M GOING TO STAY WHERE I'M AT. 20% WOULD TAKE THE SUREST PLAN. IT HAS NO DEDUCTIBLE. IT'S ALL IN PRICING. THE COMMITTEE REALLY FOUND THAT THAT WAS ATTRACTIVE WHENEVER THEY HEARD THE NUANCES OF IT, THAT IF I GO FOR MY DERMATOLOGIST, IT GETS TRULY $10. IF I GO TO THE RIGHT DERMATOLOGIST AND IT INCLUDES MY BIOPSY, HAVING A BABY, I KNOW MY BABY'S COST ME BETWEEN 4 AND $6000, DEPENDING ON WHICH YEAR IT WAS, AND YOU CAN HAVE A LABOR AND DELIVERY FOR A SIGNIFICANTLY LESS. BUT SO 20% OF EMPLOYEE ONLY WOULD TAKE THE SUREST PLAN 20% ON THE HSA PLAN, BECAUSE THE RECOMMENDATION IS FOR THE CITY TO FUND $1,500 FOR EMPLOYEE ONLY AND 3000 FOR FAMILY COVERAGE INTO THE HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNT. THAT IS, A SAVINGS ACCOUNT THAT IS OWNED BY THE EMPLOYEE. AND SO FOR AN EMPLOYEE, THAT'S NOT A HIGH UTILIZER OF THE HEALTH PLAN. IF ALL THE PLANS ARE FREE, THAT MIGHT MAKE THE MOST SENSE FOR THEM, RIGHT? THEY THEY ARE GETTING A BONUS OF $1,500 INTO A HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNT TO USE IF THEY NEED TO. THEY CAN ALSO SUPPLEMENT THAT WITH THEIR OWN PER PAY DEDUCTIONS THAT ARE PRETAX. FOR THE FAMILY TIERS. SO ANYTHING OTHER THAN EMPLOYEE ONLY COVERAGE, WE'VE ASSUMED 20% STAY IN THE CHOICE PLAN, BUT BECAUSE THE PREMIUMS ARE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS, I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE MORE MIGRATION IN THE FAMILY TIERS.

SO THEY'RE NOT ALL FREE. WE'VE ASSUMED 20% ENROLL IN THE CHOICE PLAN, 20% SURESTE, 30% IN THE HMO. IT'S GOING TO HAVE RICHER BENEFITS AND LOWER PREMIUMS. SO FOR A FAMILY THAT DOES NOT TRAVEL OUTSIDE OF BREVARD FOR MEDICAL CARE, DOESN'T HAVE NEEDS WHERE THEY NEED TO GO UP TO MAYO THAT THEY KNOW OF, THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THAT AND SAY, WOULD I RATHER HAVE A LOWER DEDUCTIBLE, RICHER COPAYS IF MY KID GETS SICK AND SAVE UP TO, LET'S SAY, WHAT IS THE NP $75 PER OR, SORRY, $120 PER PAY? I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SOME PEOPLE THAT MAKE THAT CHOICE. THE 30% HSA. OH, THAT'S THE ONE. THAT'S $120 LESS. SO THAT ONE IS FOR THE FAMILY. THAT IS NOT A HIGH UTILIZER YOU STILL GET FREE PREVENTIVE CARE. SO ALL THOSE

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WELL-CHILD AND IMMUNIZATIONS AND THINGS THAT POP UP, YOU HAVE COVERAGE FOR THAT AT 100%.

IF A KID GET SICK, YOU'RE JUST PAYING WHATEVER THE SICK VISIT IS. YOU ALSO HAVE TELEMEDICINE ON ALL OF THESE PLANS. THAT IS SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER PRICE THAN GOING TO A BRICK AND MORTAR. IF THE MIGRATION ASSUMPTION LANDS, WHICH IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THIS. BUT THIS IS A PRETTY GOOD ASSUMPTION. THEN AT THE VERY BOTTOM, WE'VE CALLED OUT THE PREMIUM SAVINGS. SO THE TOTAL PREMIUM SAVINGS IS NOT ONE OF MY BOXES, BUT IT'S 18%, ABOUT TWO POINT JUST UNDER $3 MILLION VERSUS WHAT THE TOTAL PREMIUM BEING PAID TODAY. BUT THE CITY'S PREMIUM SAVINGS IS 2.4 MILLION. AND WITH THAT HSA SEED. SO YOU'RE GIVING EVERYONE A HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNT. ONCE THAT MONEY IS FUNDED, IT'S OUT THE DOOR. YOU DON'T GET IT BACK. IT'S NOT LIKE A HEALTH REIMBURSEMENT ACCOUNT WHERE IT'S BASED ON WHAT THE CLAIMS. SO YOU'RE GIVING EVERYONE A SAVINGS ACCOUNT THAT TAKES THOSE PLANS, AND THAT WOULD GET YOUR NET TO ABOUT $2 MILLION IN SAVINGS VERSUS WHAT THE CITY IS PAYING TODAY. EMPLOYEES WOULD SAVE 34% UNDER THIS SCENARIO, BUT IT WILL DEPEND ON THE PLAN AND TIER THAT THEY CHOOSE. NOW IN ANTICIPATION OF QUESTIONS.

WHAT IF EVERYONE STAYS WHERE THEY'RE AT TODAY AND THE CHOICE PLAN? IT WOULD SAVE YOU ABOUT $300,000, SO THAT'S HOW MUCH IT CAN VARY $300,000 IF EVERYONE STAYS IN THE EXACT SAME PLAN THAT THEY HAVE TODAY. BUT HUMAN BEHAVIOR IS A LITTLE BIT PREDICTABLE. I DON'T THINK THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE EVERYONE STAY WHERE THEY ARE TODAY BASED ON THE PREMIUMS THAT THEY'RE CHARGED IN THE PLAN. DESIGN DIFFERENTIATORS. THE UHC AGREEMENT. TO RECAP, IT HAS THE FOURTH QUARTER CARRYOVER. THE GOAL OF THIS PROCESS WAS TO REMOVE SOME OF THE CONFUSION AROUND OUR BENEFITS FOR NEW ON APRIL 1ST, BUT OUR DEDUCTIBLES RESET ON JANUARY 1ST. SO WHAT UNITEDHEALTHCARE HAS AGREED TO DO IS THE CITY WILL HAVE A PLAN YEAR DEDUCTIBLE AND OUT OF POCKET MAX BEGINNING IN APRIL. SO THAT'S WHEN THE DEDUCTIBLE AND OUT-OF-POCKET MAX WILL START. BUT THEY ARE GOING TO GRANDFATHER EVERY CLAIM THAT HAPPENS BETWEEN JANUARY 1ST AND THE END OF MARCH. UNDER AETNA. THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE A REPORT AND POPULATE THEIR SYSTEM TO GET THAT OUT-OF-POCKET MAXIMUM AND DEDUCTIBLES CREDIT. SO WHAT IF IT'S THE PLAN THAT HAS A ZERO DEDUCTIBLE. WELL IT GOES TOWARDS THE OUT-OF-POCKET MAXIMUM. THE THEN BEGINNING IN APRIL OF NEXT YEAR YOU'LL JUST RENEW AND IT'LL MATCH. SO DEDUCTIBLES AND OUT OF POCKET MATCH YOUR RENEWAL DATE. THE UHC REWARDS WELLNESS PROGRAM IS A $300 PER YEAR, AND INCENTIVE PROGRAM FOR EMPLOYEES AND SPOUSES, IS FUNDED BY UNITEDHEALTHCARE. IT'S A YOU EARN POINTS BY DOING VARIOUS WELLNESS INITIATIVES. THE THE SUREST PLAN IS IT'S FILED DIFFERENTLY. SO UNITEDHEALTHCARE REQUIRED TOURISTS BECAUSE THEY REALLY LIKE THE VALUE OF IT WHEN THEY DID THAT. SURE. IT IS NOT FILED YET TO HAVE THAT UHC REWARDS PROGRAM. SO THAT WILL BE COMMUNICATED DURING OPEN ENROLLMENT. THEY ARE WORKING TO GET THAT APPROVED WITH THE OFFICE OF INSURANCE REGULATION GOAL OF 2027. BUT THAT'S TO BE DETERMINED $125,000 ADMIN CREDIT FOR THREE YEARS IF YOU ARE WITH UNITEDHEALTHCARE. SO JUNE OF 2026, 2027 AND 2028, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU HAVE TO STAY WITH THEM. AS I TOLD THE COUNCIL, IT'S MY BEST PRACTICE TO DO A MARKET CHECK AT LEAST EVERY TWO YEARS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE GETTING A FAIR PRICE. CITY PLANS TO USE THE 125,000 FOR WELLNESS PROGRAM INITIATIVES, SO PART OF THAT COULD BE USED TO INCENTIVIZE THOSE THAT ARE ON THE SUREST PLAN TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE A WELLNESS PROGRAM, AND THEN OTHER VARIOUS INITIATIVES THAT WE CAN DETERMINE. THERE'S A RATE CAP FOR THE 2027 RENEWAL OF 14.9.

BUT TO REMIND YOU ALL, THAT IS THE WORST CASE SCENARIO. IF YOUR CLAIMS ARE PERFORMING BETTER THAN THAT, THEN YOU WILL NOT SEE THE 14.9. THAT'S NOT SAYING WHAT IT WILL BE. IT'S SAYING WORST CASE. TO ADD SOME CONTEXT AROUND THAT. WITH AETNA, YOU'VE HAD SEVERAL THAT WERE OVER 15%, A COUPLE THAT WERE CLOSE TO 20. SO THIS IS BELOW WHERE YOU HAVE BEEN IN THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS. DEDICATED ON SITE RESOURCE PROVIDED AT NO COST TO THE CITY. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT UNITEDHEALTHCARE CAME TO THE TABLE WITH DURING THEIR FINAL PRESENTATION. AND IT WAS INTERESTING TO ME BECAUSE ANYTIME A CITY SPECIFICALLY CHANGES INSURANCE CARRIERS, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS AND NEED HELP. AND THIS WOULD BE SOMEONE NOT ONLY FOR THE TRANSITION BUT ONGOING. THAT WOULD COULD IF THE CITY WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THEM UP ON THIS. AND I BELIEVE THAT THAT IS THE INTEREST. HAVE SOMEBODY ON SITE FROM CITY HALL, THE AIRPORT, VARIOUS LOCATIONS TO BE THERE TO FEEL THOSE QUESTIONS, HELP WITH CLAIMS AND AUTHORIZATION ISSUES AND BE THE FACE OF UNITEDHEALTHCARE. WE WOULD ALSO LEAN ON THAT RESOURCE FOR WELLNESS PROGRAM MANAGEMENT. SO THEY WOULD WORK WITH MY TEAM, WORK WITH CITY STAFF TO ROLL OUT AND KEEP THE STEAM GOING FOR WELLNESS INITIATIVES, BECAUSE SOMETIMES YOU HAVE ALL OF THESE TOOLS, AND THEN IT'S HOW DO WE CONTINUALLY THINK ABOUT THAT ON

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TOP OF EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR? THE ANCILLARY LINES WERE INCLUDED AS PART OF THE AGREEMENT. UNITEDHEALTHCARE WOULD BE THE CARRIER FOR LIFE VISION, SHORT AND LONG TERM DISABILITY, AND THE NEW SUPPLEMENTAL BENEFITS THAT ARE SIMILAR TO THE AFLAC THEY PAY YOU AND NOT THE DOCTOR. ACCIDENT, CRITICAL ILLNESS AND HOSPITAL INDEMNITY PLANS.

SAVINGS ON THE PLANS ARE MATCHING CURRENT BENEFITS OR ENHANCING COVERAGE. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF INSURABILITY THAT IS REQUIRED FOR THE DISABILITY. FOR EXAMPLE, IF SOMEBODY DOES NOT CURRENTLY HAVE SHORT OR LONG TERM DISABILITY AND THEY WANT TO TAKE UNITEDHEALTHCARE, THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO EOI, WHICH IS A ONE TIME THING. THAT'S TYPICAL WHEN YOU CHANGE THESE TYPES OF PRODUCTS OVER TO ANOTHER CARRIER, THERE'S NO EVIDENCE OF INSURABILITY UP TO THE GUARANTEE ISSUE ON THE VOLUNTARY LIFE INSURANCE EITHER. NO PREEXISTING CONDITION LIMITATIONS AND HIGHER VOLUNTARY LIFE MAXIMUM FOR THE SPOUSE FOR THE EOI APPROVAL CLAIMS INTEGRATION. SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS UNIQUE TO UNITED MEDICAL CLAIMS. IF SOMEBODY IS ENROLLED IN MEDICAL AND LET'S SAY HOSPITAL INDEMNITY, IT WILL AUTO GENERATE A PAYMENT IN MANY CASES TO THAT EMPLOYEE. SO WE KNOW THAT YOU WERE IN THE HOSPITAL, YOU HAVE HOSPITAL INDEMNITY AND YOU WILL GET A CHECK FOR THAT, THAT PAYMENT.

OR IF YOU ARE IN THE HOSPITAL FOR SEVERAL DAYS, WE KNOW YOU WERE THERE FOR SEVERAL DAYS. WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION. IT WILL PAY OUT ACCORDING TO THAT SCHEDULE OF BENEFITS. IT DOESN'T PAY ALL OF THEM CRITICAL ILLNESS. THEY NEED A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION SOMETIMES, BUT IT IS. MORE THAN 50% OF THOSE CLAIMS ARE AUTO PAID. THE REST ARE EMAIL REMINDERS. THREE YEAR RATE GUARANTEE FOR LIFE, SHORT TERM AND LONG TERM DISABILITY, AND THE VOLUNTARY BENEFITS. WITH THE EXCEPTION OF CRITICAL ILLNESS, WHICH THE STATE DOESN'T ALLOW THEM TO DO MORE THAN TWO YEARS AT A TIME. THE NEXT PAGE IS JUST A RECAP ON THE WELLNESS WEIGHT LOSS FITNESS PROGRAMS, THE ONE GYM MEMBERSHIP WHERE THEY CAN GO TO THE BOUTIQUE FITNESS CENTERS, AND A WHOLE NETWORK OF GYMS FOR A LOWER PRICE. THE REAL APPEAL WEIGHT LOSS PROGRAM, WHICH FOCUSES ON SMALL, SUSTAINABLE, SUSTAINABLE STEPS TO HELP PEOPLE STAY HEALTHY. THE WELLNESS DIGITAL WELLNESS PLATFORM THAT'S FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE MORE APP AND TECH SAVVY WITH DIGITAL COACHING. AND I HAVE SOME BRIEF INFORMATION ABOUT OPEN ENROLLMENT, BECAUSE SOME OF THE CONCERN AT THE LAST MEETING WAS THIS A LOT OF CHANGE, HOW OUR EMPLOYEES GOING TO NAVIGATE THE CHANGE, AND HOW ARE THEY GOING TO UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCES IN ALL OF THESE BENEFITS? YOU'VE GOT FIVE MEDICAL PLANS, CHANGES IN ALL OF THESE CARRIERS. SO I, PENDING COUNCIL APPROVAL TODAY, WILL BE PRESENTING AT TWO SESSIONS PER DAY, THREE DAYS NEXT WEEK AS EDUCATIONAL SESSIONS. THIS IS BEFORE OPEN ENROLLMENT. THIS IS TO EXPLAIN THE BENEFITS AND LET PEOPLE START CONTEMPLATING THAT AND FORMULATE QUESTIONS. THE DETAILED REVIEW OF THE OPTIONS WILL BE WHO WILL THESE BE A GOOD FIT FOR, WITH EXAMPLES SO THAT AN EMPLOYEE CAN REALLY UNDERSTAND WHICH 1ST MAY MAKE THE MOST SENSE FOR THEM. MY GOAL IS NEVER TO DRIVE PEOPLE INTO THE LOWEST COST PLAN. I WILL STAND UP AND TELL YOU THAT THE HSA OPTION IS NOT THE RIGHT CHOICE FOR MANY OF YOUR EMPLOYEES. IT MEANS THAT THEY HAVE TO MEET A LARGE DEDUCTIBLE BEFORE THEY HAVE COVERAGE OUTSIDE OF PREVENTIVE CARE THAT'S NEW FOR THEM. THAT INCLUDES PHARMACY BENEFITS. SO MANY PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THAT A BRAND NEW MEDICATION IS NOT 30 OR 50 OR $70. IT'S IN THE THOUSANDS IN MANY CIRCUMSTANCES. SO ALL OF THAT INFORMATION WILL BE CLEAR. THAT INFORMATION WITH THE EXAMPLES WILL ALSO BE IN BENEFIT GUIDES. SO SOME EXAMPLES OF A TYPE OF EMPLOYEE AND WHAT PLAN MAY MAKE THE MOST SENSE FOR THEM. TENTATIVE OPEN ENROLLMENT DATES ARE FEBRUARY 16TH THROUGH THE 27TH, WHICH LEADS US INTO BEING ABLE TO HAVE TIME TO PROCESS THOSE ENROLLMENTS, GET THEM OVER TO UNITED, AND HAVE ID CARDS IN HAND BY APRIL 4TH OR APRIL 1ST.

WE DO HAVE A NEW COMMUNICATIONS AND SUPPORT PARTNER THROUGH BROWN AND BROWN OWENS WINSTON BENEFITS. THIS IS FULLY FUNDED FOR THE CITY. YOU'RE NOT PAYING ANYTHING FOR THIS, BUT PROFESSIONAL BENEFIT COMMUNICATION PIECES ARE BEING DEVELOPED. THIS IS JUST A SAMPLE. WE HAVE THE PHOTOS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE CONTENT YET. PENDING COUNCIL APPROVAL, THAT WILL ALL BE ADDED QUICKLY. THEY HAVE OVER 30 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE. THEIR FIRST CLIENT WAS ACTUALLY THE POLICE OFFICERS IN NEW YORK CITY. WE'RE ALSO PROVIDING A CALL CENTER AND ON SITE ENROLLMENT, SO EMPLOYEES DURING OPEN ENROLLMENT WILL BE ABLE TO MEET FACE TO FACE WITH AN ENROLLMENT COUNSELOR. MY TEAM WILL BE ON SITE. ALSO, IN ADDITION TO THE CITY'S HR TEAM, MAKE SURE EMPLOYEES HAVE THE SUPPORT THAT THEY NEED TO MAKE A DECISION AND TO GET THROUGH THE ENROLLMENT PROCESS. IT IS AN ACTIVE ENROLLMENT. OBVIOUSLY, THAT MEANS EMPLOYEES HAVE TO TAKE ACTION. THERE'S NOTHING CAN ROLL OVER WHEN EVERYTHING IS CHANGING, SO THEY DO NEED TO TO GO IN AND MAKE THAT CHANGE OR MAKE THAT ELECTION. THE CALL

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CENTER IS LICENSED ENROLLMENT COUNSELORS THAT CAN GUIDE THEM THROUGH THEIR OPTIONS AND ALSO ENROLL THEM IN THEIR BENEFITS. SO WE HAVE A NEW PLATFORM THAT IS THAT EMPLOYEES WILL BE ENROLLING IN. IT'S IT WILL FEED WITH MUNIS, YOUR CURRENT SYSTEM, BUT IT IS MORE USER FRIENDLY FOR OPEN ENROLLMENT AND BENEFITS ADMINISTRATION. SO HR WILL HAVE A BETTER EXPERIENCE PULLING REPORTS AND GETTING THE INFORMATION THEY NEED, AND EMPLOYEES WILL HAVE A SMOOTH EXPERIENCE DURING THE OPEN ENROLLMENT PROCESS. BUT WHAT IF THEY'RE NOT TECH SAVVY? WHAT IF THEY DON'T LIKE GOING INTO A SYSTEM AND CLICKING THROUGH AND CHOOSING THEIR ENROLLMENTS? THAT'S WHERE THE CALL CENTER COMES IN. THEY CAN DO ZOOM MEETINGS WITH AN EMPLOYEE AND THEIR SPOUSE TO MAKE IT A FAMILY DECISION. GO THROUGH ALL THE OPTIONS, ANSWER QUESTIONS THEY CAN CALL IN ON THE PHONE. THEY CAN JUST SAY, I THINK I WANT THESE THREE BENEFITS, BUT I DON'T HAVE A COMPUTER AND THE PERSON ON THE OTHER END WILL ENROLL THEM FOR THEM. I DO HAVE ANCILLARY INFORMATION AS AN APPENDIX. IF YOU WANTED TO SEE THAT, I'M HAPPY TO SHOW IT TO YOU. THERE WAS ALL OF THE RATES WERE AT CURRENT EXCEPT FOR SHORT TERM. DISABILITY IS BELOW CURRENT AND SO IS THE VISION. THESE ARE MATCHING YOUR CURRENT BENEFIT PLAN DESIGNS. THE VISION IS LIKE AN EYE EXAM, BUT THEY'VE MATCHED YOUR CURRENT BENEFITS. THE THINGS THAT ARE SHADED IN GRAY ARE JUST THE OUT OF NETWORK REIMBURSEMENT LEVELS, WHICH ARE RICHER THAN WHAT YOU HAVE TODAY. EMPLOYEES WILL SAVE OUT OF THEIR PAYCHECK TO ON THE VISION PLAN. THEY HAVE A BROAD NATIONAL NETWORK. THEY PARTNER WITH WARBY PARKER. THERE'S A LOT OF BELLS AND WHISTLES ON THE VISION, THE ACCIDENT PLAN I SHOWED YOU LAST TIME. SO THESE ARE BENEFITS THAT STACK ON TOP OF ONE ANOTHER. IF SOMEBODY HAS AN ACCIDENTAL INJURY AND IT PAYS OUT ACCORDING TO WHAT HAPPENED ASSOCIATED WITH THAT ACCIDENT. EACH OF THE VOLUNTARY SUPPLEMENTAL BENEFITS COME WITH A WELLNESS BENEFIT OF $50. SO THAT MEANS IF SOMEBODY HAS A PREVENTIVE EXAM, THEY GET A $50 CHECK. SO IT'S A GREAT BENEFIT FOR THEM. AND I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL HAVE. OKAY. I'LL START OUT, MISS HANLEY, SINCE WE SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE WE'VE HAD HEALTH FIRST. THEN WE ROLLED OVER TO AETNA. NOW WHAT HAPPENS TO THE SOME OF OUR EMPLOYEES THAT DON'T. SIGN UP BUT THEY'RE THEY'RE ELIGIBLE FOR WE PAY THEIR HEALTH INSURANCE. WHAT PLAN ARE WE GOING TO BE PUTTING THEM IN? I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE A STAFF QUESTION. MY MY HEART WOULD SAY IF THEY DO NOTHING, THEN YOU WOULD JUST PUT THEM IN THE CHOICE PLAN OR YOU WOULD NOT PUT THEM IN ANYTHING. OUR PRACTICE HAS BEEN THERE ARE DEADLINES. YOU HAVE TO MEET, THOSE DEADLINES. THERE ARE. WE'RE HAVING SENDING POSTCARDS OUT THIS YEAR. WE'RE HAVING TRAINING, WE'RE HAVING TELEPHONE. THERE'S ALL DIFFERENT TYPES OF PLATFORMS. IF THE EMPLOYEE DOES NOT WANT TO SIGN UP FOR HEALTH INSURANCE, THEY WILL NOT BE RECEIVING HEALTH INSURANCE. AND WE HAVE HAD THAT IN THE PAST. AND THAT TO ME, OTHERWISE WE ARE TRACKING PEOPLE DOWN. AND, YOU KNOW, SIX MONTHS LATER WHEN SOMETHING FINALLY HAPPENS TO THEM, THEY ARE WANTING TO TO GET BACK ON AND IT'S A NIGHTMARE. WELL, AND I'LL MAKE A COMMENT THAT I KNOW RUTH AND AND OUR STAFF, THEY DO A GREAT JOB WITH, WITH, YOU KNOW, REMINDING AND REMINDER. REMINDER. SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE CAN ALL OUR DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS ARE TASKED WITH REMINDING THEIR EMPLOYEES. WE GET REPORTS ON THAT. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SET UP FRONT. I DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER WE WERE GOING TO JUST AUTOMATICALLY PUT THEM INTO THE CHOICE PLAN OR IN AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, MISS LAMB, THEY'RE THE EMPLOYEES BECAUSE EVERY YEAR THEY NORMALLY ARE THERE AT O'GALLEY CIVIC CENTER, AND THEY CAN GO WHILE ON DUTY AND WHILE THEY'RE WORKING. CORRECT? YES.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE HAVING IT O'GALLEY CIVIC CENTER, BUT ALL OF THIS TRAINING, ANY ANY OF THIS CAN BE DONE DURING WORK HOURS OR WORK HOURS. OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT GREAT. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THAT. YOU HAD A QUESTION, SIR? YES. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND GOING THROUGH THIS AGAIN. PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE. MY WIFE AND I HAVE PORED OVER IT AND WE AND WE REACHED OUT TO ONE OF YOUR STAFF MEMBERS AND ASKED A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. SHE GOT RIGHT BACK TO US AS WELL. ONE QUESTION I HAVE IS THAT HEALTHCARE PROFESSIONALS, THEY'RE BECOMING FEWER AND FEWER IN OUR SOCIETY. DOCTORS, NURSES, HEALTH TECHS, ETC. SO THIS OF COURSE JUMPS UP OUR COSTS. WE WERE CONFRONTED BY FROM AETNA WITH A THIRD PARTY SOURCE IN IN THE FRONT END. I FORGET WHAT THEIR NAME WAS. YOU RECALL SOMEWHERE. THERE YOU GO. AND SO THEY WOULD DENY BEFORE AETNA DENIED. AND THEN OH THE

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AUTHORIZATION COMPANY AND THEN YOU COULD ALWAYS COME BACK AND AND GO TO AETNA SPECIFICALLY AND JUMP OVER THEM. BUT THE DENIAL IS ALREADY IN YOUR FILE AND IS ALREADY FLASHING ON THE SCREEN. AND SO I GUESS MY FEAR IS AND WE FOUND MORE AND MORE DENIALS WITH THIS THIRD PARTY UP FRONT THAT WE ALL EXPERIENCED IT. SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, DO WE HAVE ANY I DON'T KNOW IF GUARANTEE IS THE RIGHT WORD, BUT IS THERE ANY SPECULATION AS TO THIS BEING PART OF THEIR UNITED FIRST BUSINESS MODEL BY ADDING ANOTHER PARTY IN THE FRONT TO TO KIND OF LIKE DO TRIAGE OF SORTS? IT IS LACK OF A BETTER WORD. IT IS VERY COMMON. AND I HAVE TO DEFER TO AMBER REAL QUICK BECAUSE I CANNOT REMEMBER BETWEEN THE FIVE CARRIERS I WORK WITH. DO YOU OUTSOURCE? NO, WE DO NOT. THEY THEY HANDLE UTILIZATION MANAGEMENT AUTHORIZATIONS IN-HOUSE. THEY ARE THE ONLY ONE I THINK THAT DOES THAT. SO CIGNA ALSO USES EVICORE. BLUE CROSS USES A DIFFERENT ONE OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT WAS MY ONLY CONCERN GOING INTO THIS. NOW THERE ARE STILL AUTHORIZATIONS THAT ARE REQUIRED UNDER ANY INSURANCE PLAN. SO I DON'T WANT TO SAY THERE'S NO AUTHORIZATIONS. BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE AN ARBITRARY THIRD PARTY LOOKING AT IT AND MAKING THAT CALL. AGAIN, THAT WAS MY QUESTION AND THAT WAS OUR CONCERN, AND THAT WAS OUR DEFEAT IN SO MANY. AND THAT WAS AETNA'S DEFEAT ACTUALLY, AS WELL TO THEIR OWN MAKING. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING DIDN'T JUST DROP IN LIKE A TORNADO WITHOUT ANY WARNING AND AFFECT ALL OF THE EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY WITH AN ADDITIONAL BURDEN OF TRYING TO GET THEIR HEALTH CARE ACCEPTED AND APPROVED. RIGHT. SO THAT'S THE ONLY THING I WAS WORRIED ABOUT. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU'RE WELCOME. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. MISS HANLEY TO YOU, MR. LARUSSO. I SPOKE TO DOCTOR'S OFFICES ABOUT WHICH PLAN. YOU KNOW WHICH. WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS CIGNA, AETNA AND ALL THIS OTHER STUFF. AND I WAS TOLD THAT A LOT OF THE PROCEDURES WITH UNITED, THEY DON'T HAVE TO HAVE PRE-AUTHORIZATION. THEY DON'T THEY DON'T REQUIRE PRE-AUTHORIZATION MORE THAN ANY OTHER INSURANCE AGENCY, INSURANCE COMPANY. SO I UNDERSTAND BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS. YOU KNOW, THAT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS WHEN I ASKED THEM, HOW DO THEY DO? HOW DO THEY HANDLE? AND THEY SAID, NO, THEY'RE VERY QUICK ABOUT IT, TOO. THEY'RE THEY'RE ONE OF THEIR FASTEST TURNAROUND TIMES. MR. MAYOR, MAY I RESPOND, PLEASE? OKAY. YES I AGREE. AND SO MY PRIMARY CARE PHYSICIAN PASSED AWAY. AND SO GOOD LUCK.

WELL, WELL, HE YOU KNOW, HE LIVED A GOOD LIFE AND HE WAS AND HE WAS A DARN GOOD DOCTOR.

YOU KNOW, HIS SON TOOK OVER THE PRACTICE AND HIS SON IS NOT A VERY GOOD DOCTOR. SO WE WERE WE WERE ON THE HUNT FOR A NEW PRIMARY. AND SO EVERY ONE THAT WE TALKED TO, YOU KNOW, THE ONES THAT I INTERVIEWED BEFORE, I WOULD COMMIT TO ANYTHING AND I DID COMMIT. THAT WAS THE FIRST QUESTION. YOU KNOW, AT FIRST, WHAT DO YOU THINK? WELL, THIS PHYSICIAN AND THEIR GROUP RAVED. THEY ABSOLUTELY RAVED. SO I FEEL EVEN BETTER, MORE CONFIDENT THAN THE LAST TIME WE SPOKE. YOU KNOW ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I'M, I'M BEFORE I CAME, YOU KNOW, COMING THIS BEFORE COUNCIL. I EVEN CALLED UP THE OFFICE AND ASKED, YOU KNOW, DOCTOR'S OFFICES AND I GO THE STAFF, THE ONE THAT HAS TO DEAL WITH THE INSURANCES. AND THEY SAID NO, THEY, THEY WERE VERY HAPPY WITH THEY SAID NO, YOU'LL GET GOOD RESPONSES THROUGH THEM. PERFECT. ALL RIGHT. GO AHEAD.

MR. GREAT. GREAT PRESENTATION. I DO HAVE A GENERAL QUESTION. YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT THE UHC REWARD WELLNESS PROGRAM AND THE ONE PASS FITNESS PROGRAM. SO DOES THE CITY, THE CURRENT HEALTH PROGRAM OFFER THAT ALSO THAT TYPE OF BENEFIT. WHAT YOU HAVE TODAY WITH AETNA IS A WELLNESS INCENTIVE PROGRAM, BUT THEY GIVE YOU A WELLNESS FUND. I BELIEVE IT'S $125,000 TO SPEND TOWARDS THAT. THOSE WELLNESS INCENTIVES. SO UNITEDHEALTHCARE IS GIVING A FUNDED AMOUNT OF $300 PER EMPLOYEE AND PER SPOUSE THAT THEY ARE PAYING FOR, IN ADDITION TO THE 125,000, THE ONE PASS FITNESS IS UNIQUE TO UNITED. AETNA HAS A FITNESS NETWORK. I THINK THEY TAP INTO ACTIVE AND FIT, WHICH IS A GYM NETWORK. THE DIFFERENCE HERE IS THAT THE ONE PASS ALLOWS YOU TO GO TO PILATES AND THE THINGS THAT ARE NOT THE NORMAL GYM NETWORKS THAT MANY OF US PREFER. AND THEN MY FOLLOW UP QUESTION TO THAT IS WHAT? WHAT WOULD YOU SAY THE CURRENT UTILIZATION IS OF THE OF PEOPLE USING IT? AND THEN DO YOU FORESEE IT BEING USED UNDER THIS? UNITEDHEALTHCARE? I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE GOTTEN ANY REPORTING ON GYM UTILIZATION, BUT I WOULD DEFER TO STAFF WELLNESS GYM, ALL OF IT, THE TOTALITY OF IT.

THE REPORTING HAS BEEN A LITTLE LIMITED ON THE WELLNESS FRONT, WHERE YOU'RE AT TODAY ON THE GYMS, YOU WON'T GET UTILIZATION REPORTING THERE BECAUSE IT'S BASICALLY A PARTNERSHIP THAT UNITED HAS WITH ONE PASS AS THE VENDOR. AND THEN EMPLOYEES GET DISCOUNTED PRICING TO GO WITHIN

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THAT NETWORK, WITHIN THE WELLNESS INCENTIVE PROGRAM THAT WILL BE TRACKED ON A QUARTERLY BASIS BY MYSELF, THE UNITED HEALTH CARE TEAM AND STAFF. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? GO AHEAD. VICE MAYOR, PLEASE. SO I'M JUST GOING TO SAY THIS. I THINK THIS STINKS. HOWEVER, I THINK THIS IS A HEALTH CARE PROBLEM, NOT A CITY OF MELBOURNE PROBLEM OR UNITED HEALTH CARE PROBLEM. MY FEAR FOR THE CITY IS THIS. I LIKE THE CHOICES. HOWEVER, THE CHOICES. IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE PAYING THE PREMIUMS, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO BE PAYING OUT OF POCKET. IF, GOD FORBID, KNOCK ON WOOD, SOMETHING HAPPENS OR YOU'RE PAYING REALLY HIGH DEDUCTIBLES OR YOU'RE IT'S COMING SOMEWHERE. SO KNOWING SOME OF THE EMPLOYEES THAT WE HAVE, MY SON BEING ONE OF THEM, WHO THIS IS GOING TO BE EXTREMELY CONFUSING FOR SOME OF OUR EMPLOYEES. SO I KNOW YOU'RE HAVING THE MEETINGS, BUT I CAN SEE SOMEONE COMING BACK AT US A YEAR FROM NOW AND SAYING, I DIDN'T REALIZE, I DIDN'T KNOW. SO I DON'T ENVY YOUR JOB RIGHT NOW TO EDUCATE THE MASSES IN THIS, BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO ATTEND ONE OF YOUR MEETINGS, EVEN THOUGH I DON'T TAKE THE HEALTH INSURANCE, JUST SO THAT I CAN HELP HIM THROUGH THE PROCESS AND HELP SOME OF HIS OTHER EMPLOYEES THROUGH THIS PROCESS. BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO BE AN EXTREMELY HARD PROCESS AND EXTREMELY HARD DECISION TO MAKE. I SYMPATHIZE WITH THAT.

AND I SPENT THE LAST 16 YEARS IN PUBLIC SECTOR. I'M AWARE OF THE THE CHALLENGES WITH THE VARYING WORKFORCE, AND PEOPLE ARE NOT USED TO A LOT OF CHANGE. USUALLY THERE'S NOT A LOT OF FLUCTUATION LIKE THERE IS IN PRIVATE SECTOR WHERE THEY'LL BOUNCE AROUND A LOT MORE. MANY OF MY FRIENDS HAVE CHILDREN THAT ARE IN THE YOUNG ADULT PHASE LOOKING AT THEIR INSURANCE FOR THE FIRST TIME, AND THEY ARE SENDING IT TO THEIR PARENTS TO REVIEW AND HELP. SO I GET THAT. I WOULD INVITE YOU TO COME TO ANY OF THE SESSIONS. THE REASON THAT I WAS ADAMANT THAT WE GOT THE CALL CENTER AND THE BOOTS ON THE GROUND, ONE ON ONE ENROLLMENT COUNSELORS WAS ALSO FOR THAT REASON. YOUR STAFF IS GREAT, BUT I WANT AS MANY PEOPLE AS WE CAN HAVING ONE ON ONE CONVERSATIONS AND BEING CONSULTATIVE THROUGH THIS PROCESS AS WE CAN DO, UNDERSTANDING THAT PEOPLE MAY NOT RECALL OR REMEMBER ALL THE NUANCES, BUT WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THEM THE BEST INFORMATION THAT THEY CAN TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION. FOR THOSE THAT ARE EMPLOYEE ONLY, THEY HAVE FIVE FREE PLANS TO CHOOSE FROM. THAT'S GOT TO BE TOUGH. I WOULD ASK THEM QUESTIONS WHEN GUIDING THEM THROUGH THAT PROCESS. ARE YOU ON MEDICATIONS? HOW MANY DOCTORS VISITS DO YOU GO TO A YEAR? MANY OF THOSE YOUNG ADULTS AREN'T DOING ANYTHING. THEY'RE NEVER GOING TO THE DOCTOR AND JUST PRAYING THAT NOTHING HAPPENS. WHAT'S YOUR ER VISIT COPAY LOOK LIKE? WHAT WILL IT COST YOU TO GO TO URGENT CARE? WHAT'S THE WHAT'S YOUR MEDICATION LOOK LIKE IF YOU GET SICK? THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT CAN HELP THEM GUIDE A LITTLE BIT. THOSE THAT ARE ON A MORE INTENSE HEALTH JOURNEY AND NEED TO HAVE A BROAD NETWORK, WE'RE CERTAINLY GOING TO STEER THEM AWAY FROM THE NP PLANS. IF YOU'RE GOING TO MAYO CLINIC, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT IN-NETWORK UNDER NP. BUT I GET IT. IT'S IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION FOR THEM TO DIGEST.

AND WE'RE GOING TO GET A SCHEDULE OF WHEN THOSE MEETINGS ARE. YES IT'S PENDING COUNCIL APPROVAL. I THINK HR STAFF HAS IT READY TO GO OKAY OKAY. ANY ANYBODY ELSE. THANK YOU. AND THE TEAM HAS DONE VERY WELL THIS YEAR. THANK YOU MAYOR. WITH ALL THE INFORMATION AND LOOKING FORWARD TO THE CHANGE. AND ANYBODY IF NOBODY HAS ANYTHING, DO WE HAVE A MOTION, MAYOR MA'AM. APPROVAL OF CONTRACT. AWARD FOR THE GROUP. MEDICAL AND AUXILIARY COVERAGE TO UNITEDHEALTHCARE INSURANCE COMPANY AND AUTHORIZATION THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF MELBOURNE AND UNITEDHEALTHCARE INSURANCE COMPANY. AND I'LL SECOND. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? AND SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE AYE. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. NOW THE REAL WORK BEGINS. MOVING ON TO ITEM

[18. Ordinance No. 2026-01, Administrative Final Plat Approval: (First Reading/Public Hearing) An ordinance amending the City Code of Melbourne, Chapter 2, Administration; Appendix B, Section 4, Planned Unit Development (PUD); and Appendix D, Chapter 8, Subdivision Code, to address recent State of Florida legislative changes (F.S.177.073) to provide administrative approval of final plats. (Applicant - City of Melbourne)]

NUMBER 18, ORDINANCE NUMBER 2026. IT'S THE FIRST ORDINANCE OF THE YEAR, MR. CONLEY. THANK YOU. MAYOR. THIS ORDINANCE NUMBER 2020 601, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, RELATING TO ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL OF FINAL PLATS MAKING FINDINGS, AMENDING CHAPTER TWO OF THE CITY CODE ENTITLED ADMINISTRATION AMENDING SECTION 2-3 29 AUTHORITY AND DUTIES OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD. AMENDING APPENDIX B OF THE CITY CODE ENTITLED ZONING AMENDING ARTICLE NINE ZONING APPLICATIONS AND PROCEDURES.

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AMENDING APPENDIX D OF THE CITY CODE ENTITLED LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. AMENDING CHAPTER EIGHT, SUBDIVISION CODE PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND INTERPRETATION, PROVIDING EFFECTIVE DATE, AND PROVIDING AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE. THANK YOU. REPORT ON THIS IS MISS DEAN. HEY, CHERYL DEAN, CITY OF MELBOURNE PLANNING MANAGER. IT'S A PLEASURE TO SEE YOU TONIGHT. I WANTED TO TALK TO YOU TONIGHT ABOUT THE FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE ON ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS OF FINAL PLATS. THIS IS A REQUIREMENT THAT'S COME THROUGH FROM THE LEGISLATION. AND THE STATE LEGISLATION IS NOW REMOVING THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS FOR FINAL PLAT REVIEW.

LOOKED THROUGH THE CODES, FOUND FOUR PLACES. WHY IS IT 50 PAGES? RIGHT. SO LET ME JUST SUMMARIZE THAT FOR YOU. MOSTLY IT KIND OF FALLS BACK TO LAST YEAR. STAFF BROUGHT A ORDINANCE LEGISLATIVELY REQUIRED FOR EXPEDITED REVIEWS FOR PERMITS. AND AT THAT POINT IN TIME, STAFF MADE A SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO THE FINAL PLATS. WELL, CITY COUNCIL IS NOT GOING TO SEE FINAL PLATS ANYMORE. SO WE STAFF LOOKED AT TAKING THOSE REQUIREMENTS, MAKING THEM CONSISTENT AND PRELIMINARY PLATS SO THAT THERE IS A MORE ROBUST AREA OF OPPORTUNITY FOR PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD, CITY COUNCIL TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT, PUBLIC HEARING ON THE THINGS THAT ARE NECESSARY FOR THE PLANNING PROCESS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS CRITICAL IS THE SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE SECTION. IN THE PAST, YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN A FINAL PLAT COME THROUGH, AND AS PART OF THAT, THERE'S A SUBDIVISION VARIANCE. OH, WE DIDN'T WANT TO DO THIS CUL DE SAC. OH, WE DIDN'T WANT TO PUT THIS STORMWATER POND IN A TRACT. RIGHT. SO THEY COME TO YOU AT THE LAST MINUTE ALONG WITH THE FINAL PLAT TO DO SOME OF THESE THINGS? WELL, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE THE FINAL PLAT NOW. SO WHAT WHAT WE'VE PROVIDED IN THIS ORDINANCE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO GO BACK TO PUBLIC HEARING, GO BACK THROUGH THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD AND CITY COUNCIL SO THAT YOU, AS CITY COUNCIL, HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY DURING PUBLIC HEARING TO HEAR THAT INFORMATION. YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE YOUR REVISIONS AND COMMENTS ON WHETHER OR NOT A SUBDIVISION VARIANCE IS A REQUIREMENT. SO WITH THAT, THERE ARE FINDINGS. THE ORDINANCE IS 2020 6-01, AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THAT BASED UPON THE FINDINGS CONTAINED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEMORANDUM. OKAY.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS DEAN THIS PUBLIC HEARING? DO WE HAVE ANY SIGN UP SHEET? CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING. BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL. MAYOR. I'M SORRY, BEFORE WE GO TO VOTE, THERE WAS THERE WAS ONE THING WE WANTED TO ADD ON PAGES 42 AND 43 OF THE ORDINANCE. THERE ARE SECTIONS ABOUT WHAT WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS EFFECTIVELY, THE STATUTE TALKS ABOUT AN ADMINISTRATIVE AGENCY AND AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL TO BOTH TO REVIEW AND APPROVE THESE FINAL PLATS ADMINISTRATIVELY. NOW, WE'RE PROPOSING CITY MANAGER, OF COURSE, TO BE THAT ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL THAT WILL EXECUTE THE PLATS ON BEHALF OF THE CITY. THE LANGUAGE AND CODE SPEAKS TO THE CITY MANAGER'S AUTHORITY TO APPROVE AND EXECUTE THE PLATS.

OFTENTIMES, THERE ARE ANCILLARY SUBDIVISION DOCUMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE FINAL PLAT.

STORMWATER MAINS AGREEMENT, A RIGHT OF WAY USE AGREEMENT, OTHER THINGS. AND SO WE WANT TO WORK WITH STAFF TO EXPAND THE AUTHORITIES OF COUNCIL FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THOSE DOCUMENTS WHEN APPROVING A FINAL PLAT ADMINISTRATIVELY. SO FOR WITH YOUR APPROVAL, WE'LL WE'RE GOING TO BE AMENDING SOME LANGUAGE ON PAGE 42 AND 43 FOR, FOR SECOND READING. AND THAT IS PAGE 874 AND PAGE 875 IN YOUR AGENDA PACKAGE. AND WE'LL POINT OUT THAT LANGUAGE FOR YOU ON SECOND READING. I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THAT INTENDED REVISION FOR SECOND READING.

PERFECT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, MAYOR, GO AHEAD SIR. MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 2020 601. BASED ON THE FINDINGS CONTAINED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEMORANDUM, SECOND MOTION BY MR. SMITH, SECONDED BY MR. NEWMAN. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE AYE, AND THAT MOTION PASSES. MOVING ON TO ITEM

[19. Ordinance No. 2026-02: (First Reading) An ordinance amending Chapter 2, Article II, Melbourne Code of Ordinances regarding public participation and standards of decorum at City Council meetings.]

NUMBER 2020 602. THANK YOU. MAYOR. THIS IS AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, RELATING TO PUBLIC PARTICIPATION AND STANDARDS OF DECORUM DURING CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS. MAKING FINDINGS, AMENDING CHAPTER TWO OF THE CITY CODE ENTITLED ADMINISTRATION AMENDING SECTION TWO DASH 29. ORDER OF BUSINESS. AMENDING SECTION TWO. DASH 32.

ADDRESSING THE CITY COUNCIL TIME LIMIT. AMENDING SECTION TWO DASH 36 STANDARDS OF DECORUM. PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND INTERPRETATION. PROVIDING EFFECTIVE DATE AND PROVIDING AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE. AND I WILL BE REPORTING ON THIS. AS COUNCIL MAY RECALL, THERE

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WERE SOME DISCUSSIONS ON THIS FROM LATE LAST YEAR, OCTOBER AND NOVEMBER. I PROVIDED COUNCIL WITH SOME GUIDANCE ON STANDARDS OF DECORUM AND PUBLIC PARTICIPATION WITHIN CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS, AND BASED ON THAT, COUNCIL GAVE ME DIRECTION TO DRAFT THIS PROPOSED ORDINANCE. I CAN QUICKLY GO THROUGH THE PROPOSED CHANGES FIRST WITHIN SECTION TWO DASH 29, IN THE ORDER OF BUSINESS, I THINK THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF AN ARTIFACT IN THIS SECTION.

THERE WAS A PARENTHETICAL THAT DESCRIBED HOW THE PUBLIC THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION WITHIN OUR COUNCIL AGENDA, THE TIME LIMITS DESCRIBED IN CODE DIDN'T APPLY TO THAT SECTION.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT WAS THE INTENT THAT LANGUAGE EXISTED PRIOR TO 2013, WHEN WE ADDED TIME LIMITS FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. AND SO IT JUST IT DIDN'T GET CAUGHT IN THE CLEANUP OF THAT. AND SO I'M SUGGESTING TO DELETE THAT PARENTHETICAL, BECAUSE I THINK THE INTENT IS TO HAVE THE THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT BE APPLICABLE TO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS.

NEXT, WITHIN SECTION TWO DASH 32, THIS WAS A DISCUSSION BETWEEN THE CLERK'S OFFICE AND OUR OFFICE. LAST YEAR. WE ADOPTED NEW LANGUAGE REGARDING THE REQUEST TO SPEAK FORM TO MAKE IT A MANDATORY REQUIREMENT. PRIOR TO MAKING PUBLIC COMMENTS. IN PRACTICE, I THINK THAT'S BECOME FAIRLY DIFFICULT AND UNWIELDY. AND SO THE LANGUAGE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING WITH THIS ORDINANCE IS TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY JUST TO ENSURE THAT PEOPLE ARE FILLING OUT THE REQUEST TO SPEAK FORM, WHETHER THAT BE BEFORE THEY MAKE COMMENTS OR AFTERWARDS. RIGHT. CLEARLY THE THE PREFERRED PROCEDURE IS TO HAVE THEM DO IT BEFOREHAND. IN THOSE ONE OFF SITUATIONS WHERE THEY DON'T. WE'RE STILL TRYING TO CAPTURE THAT THE THAT THE PUBLIC FILL OUT THOSE REQUESTS TO SPEAK FORMS SO THAT WE HAVE THEIR INFORMATION FOR THE RECORD. ALSO IN SECTION TWO, DASH 32. THERE WAS DISCUSSION LAST YEAR ABOUT WHAT IT MEANS TO DIRECT COMMENTS TO COUNCIL AS A BODY VERSUS INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS FROM THE BREVARD SCHOOLS CASE LAST YEAR IN FEDERAL COURT, THE COURT'S OPINION DISCUSSED HOW A RESTRICTION ON ADDRESSING AN INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBER MAY ONLY BE CONSTITUTIONAL IF IT'S APPLIED VERY SPECIFICALLY AND AND UNIFORMLY ACROSS THE BOARD. AS THAT MAY NOT BE THE CASE.

I'VE PROPOSED ALTERNATIVE LANGUAGE TO TO EXPAND THAT SCOPE A LITTLE BIT, TO ALLOW PUBLIC SPEAKERS TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL AS A BODY OR INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS. RIGHT. YOU KNOW IT. IT HAS THE POTENTIAL, YOU KNOW, WHEN WHEN YOU'RE HEARING POSITIVE FEEDBACK TO A SPECIFIC COUNCIL MEMBER, IT'S, OH, THAT'S FINE. AND THEN THE MOMENT BECOMES CRITICISM. THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S, OH NO, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T HAVE THAT. RIGHT. AND THAT'S THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE A PROCEDURE THAT THAT IS GOING TO BE LOOKED ON FONDLY. SO I AM SUGGESTING THAT WE EXPAND THAT AUTHORITY TO ALLOW PUBLIC COMMENTERS TO EITHER ADDRESS COUNCIL AS A BODY OR WHEN IT'S RELEVANT, YOU KNOW, ADDRESS AN INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBER. SO THAT LANGUAGE IS PROPOSED. AND LASTLY, WITHIN THE STANDARDS OF DECORUM, A COUPLE COUPLE OF PROPOSED REVISIONS HERE. ONE LAST YEAR BASED ON, YOU KNOW, SOME TOUGH PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT THAT WERE PRESENTED IN JULY OF LAST YEAR. THERE WAS LANGUAGE ADDED TO THE STANDARDS OF DECORUM SECTION TO PROHIBIT PEOPLE BEING DISRESPECTFUL. UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE CONSTITUTIONALLY APPLIED IN A LOT OF SITUATIONS. AND THE BREVARD SCHOOLS CASE, IN THE OPINION THERE, SORT OF REFLECTS THAT. AND SO I'M RECOMMENDING THAT WE REMOVE THAT LANGUAGE AS AS A MEANS OF MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE REMAINING CONTENT NEUTRAL IN THESE REGULATIONS. ADDITIONALLY, I'M RECOMMENDING THAT WE ADD DEFINITIONS TO PARTICULAR PROVISIONS WITHIN THIS, INCLUDING DEFINING WHAT IT MEANS TO BECOME BOISTEROUS, DEFINING WHAT AN IMPERTINENT REMARK MEANS, DEFINING WHAT A PERSONAL REMARK MEANS. AND AGAIN, RIGHT. THAT'S THAT'S NOT A PERSONAL REMARK, ISN'T NECESSARILY ONE ABOUT A PARTICULAR COUNCIL MEMBER, ABOUT A PARTICULAR PERSON. THE INTENT HERE IS WHEN PEOPLE ARE COMING AND MAKING PUBLIC COMMENT, THEY'RE SPEAKING TO YOU AS AS THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY.

IT WOULDN'T BE APPROPRIATE FOR THEM TO TURN AWAY FROM THE LECTERN, START TALKING TO SOMEONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE. RIGHT. THAT'S A THAT'S A PERSONAL REMARK, RIGHT? THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE HERE TO THE FOR CITY BUSINESS. SO AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S A GENERAL SUMMARY

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OF THE OF THE PROPOSED REVISIONS. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.

OTHERWISE I RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE ORDINANCE. ANY QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. GOOD WORK. SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON IF IF WE HAVE A MOTION DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.

ORDINANCE NUMBER 2020 602 I'LL SECOND THAT ONE. SO WE HAVE MOTION. AND SECOND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE AYE IN THAT MOTION PASSES. MOVING ON TO ITEM

[20. Discussion regarding parking management and enforcement in Downtown Melbourne.]

NUMBER 20. REPORTING ON THIS IS ACTUALLY MISS DITTMAR. GOOD EVENING AGAIN. SO. SO STAFF'S JUST LOOKING FOR ADDITIONAL DIRECTION FROM CITY COUNCIL THIS EVENING REGARDING PARKING MANAGEMENT IN DOWNTOWN MELBOURNE. AS COUNCIL RECALLS BACK IN AUGUST, WE BROUGHT YOU THE PARKING MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT WAS PRESENTED BY TH CONSULTANTS. COUNCIL ACCEPTED THAT PLAN AND GAVE DIRECTIONS TO PROCEED WITH IMPLEMENTATION OF PHASE ONE. I WANTED TO FIRST JUST STEP BACK A LITTLE BIT ON THE HISTORY OF PARKING ENFORCEMENT FOR THE CITY TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL SOME OF US HAVE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME, AND NOT NOT ALL OF US HAVE JUST WANTED TO TO SORT OF GO BACK THROUGH. THE CITY'S HAD THREE HOUR PARKING LIMITATIONS IN DOWNTOWN MELBOURNE FOR AT LEAST 30 YEARS. I THINK IT'S PROBABLY CLOSER TO 40 YEARS. SO THOSE LIMITATIONS HAVE BEEN IN PLACE. HOWEVER, THE LAST 7 TO 8 YEARS WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY ENFORCEMENT, AND THAT'S BEEN DUE TO SOME OF THE CASE LAW THAT CAME DOWN AT THAT TIME THAT NO LONGER ALLOWED US TO CHALK TIRES. AND SO THE MECHANISM MECHANISM FOR ENFORCEMENT, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY WAY TO TO CONTINUE PARKING ENFORCEMENT. AND SO THERE WAS NO PARKING ENFORCEMENT. AND WHAT THAT RESULTED IN IS OVER THE YEARS IS THAT THE PARKING ALONG NEW HAVEN AVENUE, PARTICULARLY IN SOME OF THE PRIME SIDE STREETS, HAD VERY LITTLE TURNOVER, LOW TURNOVER RATE. PEOPLE COME IN THE MORNING, THEY'RE PARKED THERE ALL DAY. THOSE THOSE SPOTS NO LONGER BECOME AVAILABLE DURING THE DAY. AND YOUR CUSTOMERS THAT ARE COMING DOWN DURING THE DAY OR EVENING, THEY DRIVE DOWN NEW HAVEN AVENUE AND THERE'S NO PARKING BECAUSE THOSE LONG TERM PARKERS HAVE BEEN THERE THE WHOLE TIME. AND SO THAT'S REALLY THE PROBLEM WE HAVE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE WITH PARKING MANAGEMENT. AND I JUST WANTED TO WALK BACK THROUGH THAT WITH CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL UNDERSTANDING. WE'RE NOT DOING SOMETHING NEW.

WE'RE REALLY JUST GETTING BACK TO AN ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM TO ACTUALLY ENFORCE THE THREE HOUR LIMIT THAT WE'VE WE'VE HAD FOR THESE YEARS. WE DID DO SOME WORKSHOPS IN 2022 AND THEN THIS LAST YEAR, 2025, THE PARKING MANAGEMENT PLAN, THEY BOTH VERY CLEARLY SAW THAT WE HAD ADEQUATE SUPPLY OF PARKING. THEY BOTH ALSO DETERMINED THAT THERE WAS JUST A LOW TURNOVER RATE OF THE CONVENIENT PARKING ON NEW HAVEN AVENUE. AND AGAIN, JUST WANT TO REITERATE WHAT OUR GOAL IS TO JUST CREATE MORE TURNOVER IN THIS CONVENIENT CUSTOMER PARKING ON NEW HAVEN AVENUE. AND SO PHASE ONE OF THE PARKING MANAGEMENT PLAN RECOMMENDED IMPLEMENTATION OF THE THREE HOUR PARKING LIMIT WITH SORT OF THE CORE AREA OF DOWNTOWN AND THIS MAPS IN YOUR PACKAGE. AND I JUST WANTED TO TO BRING THIS UP AND MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL UNDERSTANDING WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PARKING ENFORCEMENT FOR OUR ON STREET PARKING. SO IF YOU CAN SEE THE PINK LINES ON THE MAP VERSUS THE GREEN LINES, THE PINK LINES ARE THE AREAS OF ON STREET PARKING THAT WE WOULD GO TO ENFORCING A THREE HOUR PARKING. THERE'S ACTUALLY SIGNAGE ON MANY OTHER STREETS THAT WE WILL BE WORKING WITH ENGINEERING TO, TO REMOVE, BUT THE ONLY ON STREET PARKING IS GOING TO BE ENFORCED IN THAT PINK AREA. AS YOU SEE ON THE MAP.

ADDITIONALLY, WE'LL HAVE TO ENFORCE PARKING WHERE WE HAVE SIGNAGE IN THE CITY HALL SURFACE PARKING LOT AND THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE GARAGE. OTHERWISE, SOME OF THOSE LONGER TERM PARKERS WILL JUST ALL BE IMMEDIATELY IN OUR FRONT SURFACE LOT. AND THEN OUR CUSTOMERS COMING INTO THE BUILDING WON'T HAVE ANY PARKING. SO WITH ALL ALL THAT SAID, SINCE AUGUST, WE SPENT SOME TIME LOOKING AT GOING FORWARD THROUGH A THIRD PARTY VENDOR.

THAT WAS WHAT OUR CONSULTANT HAD TALKED WITH US AND WITH COUNCIL ABOUT THROUGH THE PROCESS. AS WE WENT TO GET INTO SOME OF THE DETAILS IN CITY CODE CHANGES, WE DETERMINED THAT FLORIDA STATUTE ACTUALLY HAS VERY CLEAR LANGUAGE AND LIMITS THE ISSUANCE OF PARKING

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CITATIONS WHEN YOU'RE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. SO OUR ON STREET PARKING LIMITS THAT TO INDIVIDUALS DIRECTLY EMPLOYED BY THE CITY. THEREFORE, A THIRD PARTY VENDOR WILL NOT WORK FOR US WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ON STREET PARKING. AND THAT'S THE PHASE ONE OF WHAT WE WERE MOVING FORWARD WITH, YOU KNOW, TO TO BEGIN. SO STAFF STARTED THEN EXPLORING AS WE I THINK REPORTED LAST MONTH, LOOKING AT BEING ABLE TO DO THE PARKING MANAGEMENT WITHIN HOUSE STAFF.

AND SO WE'VE PUT TOGETHER A ROUGH BUDGET OF WHAT WE BELIEVE THAT WILL WOULD ENTAIL. THAT'S ALSO IN YOUR PACKAGE, BUT I'LL JUST SHOW YOU UP HERE TONIGHT. TRIED TO JUST LOOK AT THE FIRST TWO YEARS LOOKING AT THE ABILITY TO HIRE THREE PART TIME EMPLOYEES. WE WOULD HAVE COVERAGE FIVE DAYS A WEEK, 12 HOURS A DAY. SO THE COST FOR PERSONNEL, TRAINING, UNIFORMS, ALL THAT TYPICAL STUFF, TECHNOLOGY AND EQUIPMENT. THAT FIRST YEAR, WE WERE LOOKING AT THE ABILITY TO UTILIZE THOSE OF YOU WHO'VE SEEN THE CITY OF INDIALANTIC, A LITTLE BITTY SORT OF ELECTRIC, SORT OF LOOKS LIKE A LITTLE SMART CAR. IT'S ENCLOSED A VEHICLE LIKE THAT THAT WE WOULD THEN EQUIP WITH A LICENSE PLATE READER CAMERA. THE PARKING ENFORCEMENT SPECIALIST WOULD DRIVE UP AND DOWN THE ROADS. THEY'LL PICK UP ALL THE LICENSE PLATES, GOES INTO A COMPUTERIZED SOFTWARE SYSTEM, TELLS THEM THEN WHEN THEY DRIVE DOWN THAT STREET NEXT TIME, OH, YOU'VE GOT SOMEBODY HERE THAT'S BEEN HERE FOR HOURS. THEY GET OUT OF THEIR CAR, THEY HAVE AN AUTOMATED TICKET WRITER, HANDHELD TICKET RIDER. THEY PUT THE CITATION ON THE THE VEHICLE. AND SO THAT'S SORT OF WHAT STAFF IN OUR RESEARCH WE'VE DETERMINED IS THE, THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY TO DO IT. WE BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT WITH HIRING CITY EMPLOYEES TO DO THAT. SO THE REAL QUESTION HERE IS, YOU KNOW, THE THE BUDGET FOR THAT FIRST YEAR, A LITTLE OVER 160,002ND YEAR COMES DOWN A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE YOU'VE PURCHASED EQUIPMENT IN THE FIRST YEAR. THE GUESSING GAME IS, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH TICKET REVENUE DO YOU REALLY EXPECT TO HAVE? THE NUMBERS THAT CAME OUT OF OUR PARKING MANAGEMENT PLAN NOW, THEY HAD PROPOSED, I THINK, AN EXTRA DAY AND SOME ADDITIONAL HOURS OF PARKING. SO WE SORT OF EXTRAPOLATED THOSE NUMBERS BASED ON US PROPOSING FIVE DAYS A WEEK AND 12 HOUR DAYS. THAT WOULD THAT WOULD MAKE YOU THINK THAT WE'D GAIN ABOUT $170,000 IN TICKET REVENUE. THAT REALLY SOUNDS LIKE A HIGH NUMBER TO STAFF. I THINK THAT WE'RE PROBABLY SOMEWHERE 100,000, MAYBE EVEN SLIGHTLY BELOW THAT.

I ALSO BELIEVE THAT THAT NUMBER IS PEOPLE START TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A TIME LIMIT, AND IT'S ENFORCED. THAT TICKET REVENUE WILL LESSEN. SO, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY WANTING TO TO SHOW YOU THESE NUMBERS THAT WE'RE SEEING ANY SHORTFALL IN REVENUE WILL HAVE TO BE COVERED THROUGH THE CRA, TIF DOLLARS. WE DO BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A ELIGIBLE COST THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY POLICING INITIATIVES THAT WE ALREADY HAVE IN OUR REDEVELOPMENT PLAN. AND SO REALLY JUST LOOKING FOR GUIDANCE FROM COUNCIL TONIGHT, WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS IS THE DIRECTION THAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE US TO GO TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT GOING ANY FURTHER IN THE PARKING MANAGEMENT PLAN IS IS IN THE TO THE PHASE TWO. AND IF COUNCIL GIVES US THAT DIRECTION, THERE'LL BE MULTIPLE THINGS THAT COME BACK TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL. SO YOU'RE NOT APPROVING ANYTHING TONIGHT. WE'LL HAVE TO BRING BACK THE STAFF AND ANY AGREEMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BACK TO COUNCIL. SO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. MR. WHERE DO WE START. I MR. NEWMAN AND OKAY SO A COUPLE QUESTIONS. ONE, I KNOW ONE OF THE DISCUSSIONS WE HAD PRIOR WAS ABOUT ENGAGING THE COMMUNITY. THERE'S YOU HAD THE PINK PURPLE SECTION THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY THE TICKETED SPOTS AND NOT TICKETED SPOTS.

IT'S THE WAY TO NOT PUT IT. BUT BASICALLY THE WHERE WHERE PAID PARKING IS. AND THEN YOU HAVE THOSE GREEN SPOTS AND THEN THERE'S EVEN A COUPLE STREETS PAST THERE THAT ARE NEIGHBORHOODS WITHIN DOWNTOWN. ARE WE STILL GOING TO BE HAVING THOSE MEETINGS WITH RESIDENTS OR HAVING LIKE, I THINK WE'RE ORIGINALLY TALKING ABOUT HAVING LIKE THE CRA MEET WITH THEM OR SOMETHING. THIS IS WAY BACK WHEN WE ORIGINALLY STARTED IT, SO THAT THERE ARE AT LEAST BROUGHT UP, BECAUSE I JUST THINK THAT A FEW OF THE RESIDENTS MIGHT BE CONCERNED THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GET A MUCH HIGHER TRAFFIC ON THEIR STREETS. THEY MAY OR MAY NOT.

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THAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAPPEN, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE ENGAGING THEM STILL OR IF THAT'S DIFFERENT. NOW THAT WE'VE MOVED IN THIS DIRECTION, WE HAVEN'T HAD THEM ENGAGE THE LAST FEW MONTHS. WE DID HAVE SOME, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THERE'S A COUPLE OF RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES ON SOUTHERN WAVERLY THAT MAYBE HAVE LIMITED ON SITE PARKING, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD POSSIBLY HAVE A PROBLEM, SOMETHING THAT WE THOUGHT WE WOULD SEE HOW THAT WORKS. MOST OF WAVERLY WILL NOT HAVE TIME LIMITATIONS, SO THEY WON'T HAVE A LIMITATION ENFORCED AND IN FRONT OF THEIR PROPERTY, WHETHER THE, YOU KNOW, THE REAL QUESTION IS GOING TO BE WHERE DO THE EMPLOYEES DOWNTOWN AND MERCHANTS DOWNTOWN, WHERE DO THEY GRAVITATE TO? AND THAT'S GOING TO BE A BIG EDUCATIONAL PART FOR THE CITY IN TRYING TO TELL THEM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO TO TRY TO PUSH THEM INTO THE SURFACE PARKING LOTS, WHETHER IT'S HERE IN THE CITY HALL GARAGE, WHETHER IT'S IN THE PALMETTO LOT ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE THE RAILROAD TRACKS, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING SOME IMPROVEMENTS IN THAT PARKING LOT RIGHT NOW TO MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE APPEALING TO PEOPLE TO PARK IN. SO THAT'S GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, CRITICAL AS PART OF THE EDUCATIONAL PART. BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD WANT TO JUST, YOU KNOW, SORT OF THE WAIT AND SEE APPROACH. DO, DO WE CREATE A PROBLEM, YOU KNOW, ON THOSE SPECIFIC, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, THERE'S VERY FEW, YOU KNOW, IT'S ENOUGH PEOPLE THAT WE COULD REACH OUT TO DIRECTLY TO. AND I THINK THAT WAS SOMEWHAT WHAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT BEFORE IS WHEN WE GO TO START IMPLEMENTING THIS ENFORCEMENT, TO BE TO GET WITH THE RESIDENTS OR TRY TO REACH OUT JUST TO SEE IF THEY'RE STARTING TO SEE IMPACTS. AND IF THEY ARE, WE MAY HAVE TO CHANGE OUR LIMITS AND OR ISSUE SOME TYPE OF RESIDENTIAL. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'D GO ABOUT THAT, BUT IT WAS TO MONITOR IT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE WEREN'T CAUSING ADVERSE EFFECTS TO OUR RESIDENTS. AND THAT'S WHY I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE STILL DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BECAUSE THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A SHIFT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IN THIS WHOLE CONVERSATION, ADAM'S AN UNSUNG HERO, KIND OF ON A LIKE LOOKING INTO THE DETAILS, ON THE BACKGROUNDS, ON HOW WE ENDED UP BEING BACK HERE. BUT THAT BEING SAID, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE ENGAGED THERE. JUST MOVING ON FROM THAT. JUST A COUPLE SHORT JUST QUESTIONS. SO DO WE ALREADY HAVE SINCE WE HAD THAT THREE HOUR PARKING ALREADY IN PLACE? DO WE ALREADY HAVE LIKE FEE STRUCTURES. SO THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK HERE.

AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE OF HOW THEY WOULD PAY FOR THOSE TICKETS. SO THERE ACTUALLY WOULD BE SOME AN ORDINANCE COMING BACK TO CITY COUNCIL, THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE CONSULTANT. OUR CURRENT TICKETS ARE $25. I THINK THEIR RECOMMENDATION WAS TO GO TO A 30 OR $35 FEE. OKAY. 25 IS A FAIRLY LOW PRICE. MAYBE SOME PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO TO JUST GET A TICKET. SO THERE'S SOME TWEAKS IN CITY CODE THAT WILL COME BACK TO COUNCIL, ALONG WITH A I KNOW WE SORT OF CALLED WHAT WE SAW IN AUGUST THE PARKING MANAGEMENT PLAN. BUT BUT WE WILL HAVE A WRITTEN PLAN THAT WILL EXPLAIN EXACTLY WHERE ON STREET ENFORCEMENT WILL OCCUR, WHAT YOU KNOW, WHAT LOTS WILL HAVE, WHAT LIMITATIONS. AND THAT WILL BE THE PARKING MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT COUNCIL'S APPROVING FOR STAFF TO TO GO AND IMPLEMENT. AND OUR CITY CODE LANGUAGE ALREADY SORT OF FORESEES THAT. SO WE'LL BE BACK TO YOU WITH AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND CITY CODE AND THE PARKING MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT WILL GO WITH THAT. AND THEN THE LAST QUESTION IS YOU MADE A NICHE COMMENT. IT WAS REGARDING HOW THE LAW PERTAINS TO THIS, AND IT WAS SPECIFICALLY ON STREET PARKING ESSENTIALLY IS WHAT THIS APPLIES TO. SO IF WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE CITY HALL SURFACE LOT OR THE FIRST FLOOR, DOES THAT MEAN THAT WE COULD BE COMING UP WITH A DIFFERENT SOLUTION OR SEEING A DIFFERENT SOLUTION THAN A PART TIME PERSON COMING IN AND CHECKING THAT OUT? I CAN I CAN ANSWER THAT. SO THE RATHER THAN THINKING ABOUT IT NECESSARILY JUST IN GEOGRAPHIC TERMS, I WANT TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN A PARKING TICKET OR CITATION AS A VIOLATION OF CITY CODE, AS OPPOSED TO A. WHERE WHERE WE SEE OTHER THIRD PARTY OR OTHER ADMINISTRATION OF PARKING OCCURS VERY MUCH IN A FEE MODEL OF PARKING. RIGHT. AND SO SAY IN AT WHATEVER TIME COUNCIL THINKS IS APPROPRIATE THAT IT'S NOW TIME. AND THIS WAS WHAT MISS DITTMAR WAS REFERRING TO IN THE, YOU KNOW, PHASE TWO OF THIS PARKING MANAGEMENT PLAN. RIGHT. THE CONSULTANTS DID MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AT SOME POINT TO START CHARGING FOR HOURLY FOR FOR PARKING WITHIN, WITHIN CITY LOTS. AND SO WHEN YOU GET INTO THAT TYPE OF MODEL, IT BECOMES THEN EASIER TO TURN OVER SOME OF THE ADMINISTRATION

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OF THAT TO A THIRD PARTY, BUT ONLY IN THE SENSE OF YOU HAD AN OBLIGATION TO PAY A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY TO USE THE CITY SURFACE LOTS RIGHT OFF OF THE RIGHT OF WAY. AND FOR WHATEVER REASON, YOU DIDN'T PAY IT RIGHT, YOU DIDN'T USE THE APP, YOU DIDN'T WHAT? HOWEVER, WE WERE GOING TO DO THAT AND AND A THIRD PARTY SENDING THAT PERSON A BILL SAYING, YOU OWE THIS, RIGHT. IT'S NOT A PARKING CITATION. IT'S NOT IT'S NOT A TICKET. IT'S NOT A PERCEIVED VIOLATION OF CODE. IT'S JUST EFFECTIVELY A BILL. AND THAT WOULD BE THIS OTHER, THIS OTHER MODEL. RIGHT. AND SO IN ANY CIRCUMSTANCE, WHETHER IT BE ON THE STREET IN A SURFACE LOT, OTHER THINGS, IF WE'RE ALLEGING A CODE VIOLATION AND A PENALTY OR A FINE BASED ON THAT, THEN I THINK THE STATUTE SAYS THAT THAT ISSUANCE OF THAT CITATION NEEDS TO OCCUR BY A CITY EMPLOYEE. IF WE'RE IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A IT COSTS $3 AN HOUR, A DOLLAR AN HOUR TO PARK IN THE CITY HALL PARKING GARAGE, AND SOMEONE, FOR WHATEVER REASON, DOESN'T PAY THAT. AND WE HAVE THEIR LICENSE PLATE INFORMATION OFF AN LPR READER, AND WE MAIL THEM A BILL. THEN THEN THE OPTIONS BECOME BROADER ON HOW THAT GETS ADMINISTERED. PERFECT. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAD, MR. MAYOR. SO ON ON THAT NOTE, I JUST WANT TO KIND OF MAKE SURE THAT. AND SO PHASE TWO AND ACCORDING TO EVEN WHAT THE CITY ATTORNEY JUST STATED AND THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE CONSULTANTS LOOKING AT A FEE BASED, YOU KNOW, MODEL PARKING AND THAT SHIFTS AND IT SOUNDS LIKE IT ALSO MAKES A LITTLE BIT MORE EFFICIENT BECAUSE NOW THE APP AND NOW IT'S A BILL AS OPPOSED TO A VIOLATION OF ORDINANCE. SO I GUESS MY BIG PICTURE QUESTION RELATED TO THAT IS DO WE HAVE WE ALL HAVE WE DISCUSSED THAT OR I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO COME BACK WITH THAT. THAT'S KIND OF A LITTLE BIT OF A NEBULOUS QUESTION. BUT I MEAN, ARE WE AT WHAT POINT DO WE START TO DISCUSS THAT AND WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE AS FAR AS THE FEE BASE? AND THEN RELATED TO THAT, THINKING ABOUT IT FROM A BALANCED BUDGET PERSPECTIVE, RIGHT, BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS PHASE ONE OR WHATEVER THAT TIME FRAME IS, WE MAY BE SUPPLEMENTING SOME OF THE COSTS. AND I DON'T THINK THAT A CITY REALLY WANTS TO DO THAT FOR FOR TOO LONG COMING OUT OF THE CRA. IT'S NOT IT'S NOT IN THE GENERAL FUND. THAT'S STILL YEAH, IT'S STILL THE SAME THING. NO, I MEAN, NO, IT'S NOT THE SAME THING. EXCUSE ME, EXCUSE ME WHEN THE PROGRAM.

BECAUSE IF YOU DO IT IN A WAY THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY JUST TALKED ABOUT IS NOW PAYING FOR ITSELF. SO WHATEVER REVENUE POTENTIAL IS COLLECTED FROM PARKING FEES AND ALSO THE BILLS THAT IT MAY END UP PAYING BY GOING OVER, I WOULD THINK THAT THAT'S A LARGER AMOUNT OF PROJECTED REVENUE WITH THAT, AS OPPOSED TO HAVING TO TAKE IT FROM ANY OTHER POT AND IN A SUPPLEMENT CASE. SO THAT'S SORT OF MY TWO POINTS. AND THANK YOU, TOM. OKAY. HOW LONG WOULD WE HAVE A GRACE PERIOD? I MEAN, IF WE START THIS PROGRAM WHEN WHAT'S YOUR TIMELINE? DO YOU HAVE A TIMELINE AT THIS AT THIS POINT OR NOT? RIGHT. I MEAN, WE WOULD PROPOSE THAT IN THE PARKING MANAGEMENT PLAN, BUT I WOULD THINK THAT WE'D PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT A FIRST MONTH OR SO OF JUST GIVING WARNINGS. YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO TICKET PEOPLE. WE JUST LIKE SOME OF THEM TO PARK FURTHER AWAY AND HAVE AVAILABLE PARKING FOR CUSTOMERS. SO IT'S IT'S REALLY JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT INITIAL, YOU KNOW, MONTH LONG, YOU KNOW, DEFINITELY EDUCATION GETTING THE WORD OUT THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA, MAKING SURE EVERYBODY'S UNDERSTANDING THAT ENFORCEMENT IS OCCURRING AGAIN. SO YEAH, DEFINITELY WOULD WOULD PLAN FOR THAT. OKAY. MY QUESTION IS IF YOU'RE DOING A LET'S SAY YOU DO FROM 9 TO 9 OR SOMETHING, I'M JUST USING IT.

IF YOU'RE DOING A 12, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR? 9 A.M. TO 9 P.M. YEAH, WE HAVE THE HENEGAR CENTER. SO THAT'S TO ME ON THE WAY, THE WEST WAY ON THE WESTERN SIDE. AND SOMEBODY GOES TO THE HENEGAR CENTER, THEY'RE GOING TO PROBABLY BE THERE. LET'S SAY THEY GO GET SOMETHING TO EAT, WHICH WE WANT THEM TO DO DOWNTOWN AND GO SEE A PLAY, GO SEE. SO THEY'RE GOING TO PARK IN THE PARKING LOT RIGHT THERE BY THE HENEGAR CENTER, WHICH WILL HAVE NO TIME LIMITATION. AND I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE WALKING DISTANCE. I MEAN, SOMEBODY THAT HAS WALK, YOU KNOW, SOME PROBLEMS WALKING. I THINK A LOT OF I KNOW THAT I HAVE WHEN I'VE GONE TO HENEGAR CENTER, I'VE PARKED IN THE LOT AND I DO NOTICE IF I'M THERE AND THERE'S A SHOW. I THINK A LOT OF THE HENEGAR CENTER PATRONS PARK RIGHT THERE AND IS VERY ACCESSIBLE, YOU KNOW, TO GET INTO THE BUILDING. BUT, YOU KNOW, IF PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE HANDICAPPED SPOTS, YOU KNOW, ON STREET AND WELCOME TO THAT AREA. WE ARE IN FLORIDA AND DURING SEASON. OKAY. YEAH.

IT'S THE HANDICAPS GET TAKEN UP REAL QUICK. YEAH. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHERE I'M A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. WOULD YOU DO IT. I'M, I'M THINKING BECAUSE IF THEY WOULD BE A SATURDAY OR SUNDAY, THEY'RE USUALLY THEY'RE MATINEES OR SATURDAYS OR SUNDAYS IF I

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REMEMBER RIGHT. YOU KNOW WHEN I'VE GONE THIS PAST YEAR THEY WERE SATURDAYS AND SUNDAYS. SO I'M JUST THINKING, YOU KNOW, SUNDAY YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT DOING ON A SUNDAY THE, THE THE ENFORCEMENTS ON SUNDAYS, YOU KNOW, SUNDAYS, PROBABLY ONE OF THE DAYS THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT WHETHER YOU SHOULD OR YOU SHOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, IS IT BUSY ENOUGH DOWNTOWN. I THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO PUT THE THE PARKING MANAGEMENT PLAN TOGETHER. WE EITHER START WITH IT OR DON'T AND SEE HOW THAT GOES. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S IF THERE'S NOT ENOUGH BUSYNESS DOWNTOWN, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. BUT THEN YOU ALSO DON'T WANT TO NOT ENFORCE ON SUNDAYS. AND THEN THE EMPLOYEES KNOW THAT. AND THEN THEY'RE ALL JUST BACK ON NEW HAVEN AGAIN. AND SO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING DOWN BECAUSE IT CAN BE BUSY ON A SUNDAY, I'VE BEEN DOWN LATE AFTERNOON. THE RESTAURANTS ARE PARTICULARLY BUSY. THE RETAIL DOESN'T SEEM TO BE AS ACTIVE AT THAT TIME, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE COMING DOWN TO EAT OR HAVE A DRINK. SO, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THOSE THINGS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, MONITOR AND WATCH AND ANALYZE WHAT MAKES WHAT MAKES SENSE TO. YEAH, I DON'T YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO HAVE THE PEOPLE COME. IT'S A BALANCING ACT RIGHT NOW. I THINK WE'RE IN A BALANCING ACT BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO BE TOO, TOO CRAZY ON, YOU KNOW, THERE'S CERTAIN IN THE ATLANTIC I USED TO GO THERE ALL THE TIME AND IT'S LIKE, OH MY GOD, IF YOU'RE ONE MINUTE OVER, YOU JUST LIKE YOU JUST IT'S NOT WORTH IT ANYMORE TO GO THERE. BUT THAT'S WHAT I. SO YOU'RE SAYING FIVE DAYS A WEEK AND WE'RE SAYING FIVE DAYS A WEEK GENERICALLY BECAUSE WHAT OUR INTENT WOULD BE THAT THOSE WOULD BE VARYING DAYS. WE DON'T WANT THE PUBLIC TO KNOW WHAT DAYS. THOSE ARE BEING MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY. NEXT WEEK IT MIGHT BE TUESDAY, THURSDAY, FRIDAY. RIGHT. OKAY.

YEAH. THERE NEEDS TO BE THAT LITTLE BIT OF MYSTERY, YOU KNOW, TO TO WIN THE WHEN THE. WHAT'S THE MATTER WITH. I GOT MR. RUSSO YOU HAVE SOMETHING. SO FULL DISCLOSURE, A COUPLE MONTHS AGO WHEN WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS, WAS CONTACTED BY THE CONTRACTOR WHO HAS THE CONTRACT FOR OUR PARKING GARAGE HERE, YOU KNOW, DURING THE SPECIAL EVENT.

PARKING? YEAH. JOHN ENGLAND, YOU KNOW, SO WE HAD STARTED TO TALK AND SPEAK, AND MISS LAMB WAS GRACIOUS ENOUGH TO HAVE A, YOU KNOW, PULL TOGETHER A SMALL MEET AND GREET OF SORTS, YOU KNOW, IN THE CONFERENCE ROOM. AND SO HE LAID OUT A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT BECAUSE HE'S DOING THIS SAME THING FOR THE CITY OF DELRAY BEACH. SO ALTHOUGH UNDER ADAM'S ADVISORY AT THIS MOMENT, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ISSUES THAT HE FEELS UNCOMFORTABLE WITH WITH THAT, WOULD THAT BE A FAIR ASSESSMENT? I YES, I THINK I THINK IT WOULD BE FAIR TO SAY THAT I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE WITH HOW DELRAY BEACH, CRA AND DELRAY BEACH ARE INTERPRETING THE STATUTE AND IMPLEMENTING THEIR PARKING MANAGEMENT PROGRAM. I THINK IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR ABOUT 6 OR 7 YEARS NOW. SO THEY I GUESS THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING RIGHT. JUSTIN. BUT WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO, THOUGH, IS TO SAVE THE CITY MONEY AND STILL BE AS EFFICIENT AS WE CAN. SO I GUESS THE FIRST QUESTION I HAVE, ARE THERE ANY OTHER THIRD PARTY CONTRACTORS THAT PERFORM SERVICES FOR THE CITY? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. WE'RE, WE'RE WE'RE TAKING A THIRD PARTY AND THROWING IT OUT THE DOOR SAYING, NO, WE CAN'T DO A THIRD PARTY PARKING ENFORCEMENT, INFORMANT ENFORCEMENT. SO ARE THERE OTHER THIRD PARTIES THAT ARE CONTRACTORS THAT ARE PERFORMING SERVICES FOR THE CITY AT A PROFIT? ALL RIGHT. LET ME GO BACKWARDS. LET ME GO BACKWARDS THEN. BECAUSE UNDER THE SECTION THAT I'VE BEEN PROVIDED, AND CERTAINLY I DON'T HAVE MY JURIS DOCTRINE, BUT IT WAS SECTION 316.640 FLORIDA STATUTE 3C123. SO IT STATES A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS HERE. THERE'S CHARTER MUNICIPALITY OR IT'S AUTHORIZED AGENCY OR INSTRUMENTAL INSTRUMENTALITY MAY EMPLOY AS A PARKING ENFORCEMENT SPECIALIST, ANY INDIVIDUAL WHO SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETES TRAINING PROGRAM, WHICH WAS NOTED ON THE ANALYSIS ESTABLISHED AND APPROVED BY CRIMINAL JUSTICE STANDARDS AND TRAINING COMMISSION FOR PARKING ENFORCEMENT SPECIALISTS. SO THAT THAT'S ALL WRAPPED INTO THE TRAINING AND THAT KIND OF THING. THE SECOND PART OF THAT, OF THAT STATUTE IS PARKING ENFORCEMENT SPECIALIST IS AUTHORIZED TO ENFORCE ALL STATE, COUNTY, MUNICIPAL LAWS AND ORDINANCE GOVERNING PARKING WITHIN THE MUNICIPALITY BY ISSUING APPROPRIATE TRAFFIC CITATIONS. AND THIRD, THE SPECIALIST CANNOT CARRY A FIREARM OR A WEAPON. YOU KNOW, BASICALLY IS WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO. SO ALTHOUGH ADAM AND I AGREE TO DISAGREE, I STILL THINK THAT WE WE'RE TAKING THIS

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A LITTLE BIT AND JUST SHOVING IT OFF TO THE SIDE BECAUSE IT'S INCONVENIENT OF SORTS. YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO REALLY DIVE INTO IT THAT MUCH AND EVEN CALL THE CITY OF DELRAY BEACH AND ASK THEM, YOU KNOW, DID YOU CALL THEM? DID YOU CALL THE ATTORNEY DOWN THERE? I CALLED THE ATTORNEY FOR WILTON MANORS, UPON WHICH THE DELRAY BEACH IS, IS BASED UPON, I BELIEVE, DELRAY BEACH PIGGY BACKED THE WILTON MANORS CONTRACT. YEAH. WILTON MANORS IS ABOUT 50 MILES AWAY, SO. OKAY, SO I MEAN, FROM DELRAY BEACH. SO I AGAIN, I LOVE TO USE THE TERM I'M 10,000FT ON THIS. REALLY. I'M NOT A PROFESSIONAL, BUT I BUT JOHN IS A PROVEN ENTITY. I DON'T SEE HOW WE CAN SAY NO WHEN OTHER MUNICIPALITIES ARE SAYING YES. BUT AGAIN, I'M NOT PAID TO DO YOUR JOB, BUT I'M PAID TO QUESTION YOUR JOB, OKAY? AND SO I STILL QUESTION THE VALIDITY OF THE DENIAL OF MOVING FORWARD WITH EVEN A TEST PATTERN OR OR I. DID YOU ALSO MENTION THAT YOU GOT OPINION FROM THE STATE'S ATTORNEY? DID YOU GO THAT FAR AS WELL TO. NO I ALL RIGHT. SO I SO I THINK, I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE OF I'D LIKE TO PUT THIS ON HOLD. I MEAN I WOULD LIKE TO BECAUSE THERE'S TOO MANY QUESTIONS STILL NEED TO BE ANSWERED HERE.

SO IN THE ANALYSIS THERE'S $162,000 WORTH OF WHERE THE TRAINING AND AND EFFORT AND EVERYTHING ELSE AND SALARY AND CAR AND THAT SORT OF THING, EXPENSES. AND THIS IS A PLUG AND PLAY AND HE GETS PAID PER HOWEVER, THE CONTRACT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO, TO BE TRAINED.

NOW I SEE YOUR FINGER ON THE TRIGGER THERE. AND SO I'M JUST GOING BACK TO I'M GOING BACK TO REMEMBER THE PARKING WHEN THE CONSULTANT DID THE EVALUATION. THERE WAS A COST THAT THEY ESTIMATED FOR ENFORCEMENT BY A THIRD PARTY. I THOUGHT, RIGHT, IT WASN'T THAT FAR OFF FROM WHAT WE'RE SAYING. IT WOULD COST INTERNALLY. RIGHT? I DON'T HAVE THAT REPORT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT I THOUGHT I GRABBED THAT FOLDER. I DIDN'T GRAB THAT. BUT IT'S IT WAS A VERY SIMILAR NUMBER. THERE WAS A DEFICIT IN THE CONSULTANTS ESTIMATE AS WELL AS TO, YOU KNOW, THE ACTUAL COSTS AND THE PROJECTED REVENUES. BUT IT WAS RIGHT IN THE REALM OF THE 160, 150, $60,000. OKAY. BUT BUT BUT WE DON'T HAVE A RAMP UP TIME. I MEAN, SO IT'S IT'S LIKE I SAID, IT'S PLUG AND PLAY. WHAT IS THE TIMETABLE THAT YOU WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT THIS PERSON OR PERSONS WOULD TAKE FOR TRAINING? AND, YOU KNOW, PROPER TRAINING, BOTH THROUGH LAW ENFORCEMENT AND THEN THROUGH THE ACTUAL PROCESS OF DOING THE JOB WITH OBVIOUSLY THERE'S GOING TO HAVE TO RIDE WITH WITH A POLICE OFFICER TO GET THE FEEL OF THE ROAD OR SOMETHING OF THAT SORT, NOT JUST GOING TO PUT THEM ON THE STREET ALL BY BY HIM OR HERSELF, YOU KNOW, JUST DO THE JOB AND SAY, HERE, YOU'RE TRAINED, HERE'S A CAR, GO DO YOUR THING, AND YOU'VE GOT THOSE LITTLE THINGS IN THE BACK TRUNK THAT'LL TELL YOU EXACTLY WHO'S WRONG AND WHO'S RIGHT. SO THAT'S THE THING I'M TRYING TO GET AROUND. AND PLUS HE'S ALL, I GUESS I'M HOMEGROWN A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN I SHOULD BE. I'D LIKE TO KEEP THAT IN-HOUSE. I MEAN, I'D LIKE TO KEEP IT WITHIN THE, THE CONTRACTORS THAT WE'VE BEEN USING COLLECTIVELY AND CONSISTENTLY, CONSISTENTLY, CONSISTENTLY OVER THE YEARS. SO AGAIN, I LIKE I'M ASKING FOR IT TO BE POSTPONED.

BUT IF YOU GUYS DON'T THINK SO, I MAY NOT HAVE MADE THE ARGUMENT APPROPRIATELY. I MAY NOT HAVE MADE IT, YOU KNOW, TO CHANGE YOUR MINDS. BUT HOWEVER, I'M STILL CONCERNED THAT WE DIDN'T CONTACT THE ALL THE ENTITIES TO MAKE THIS FINAL DECISION. AND LIKE I SAID, CITY OF DELRAY BEACH, STATE ATTORNEYS, ETC. YOU KNOW, SO MAYOR. YEAH, YEAH. GOOD POINT.

OKAY. VICE MAYOR GOOD. JUST TO PIGGYBACK ON YOU, MR. RUSSO. THE I'M A BIG PROPONENT OF KEEPING THINGS IN-HOUSE. I THINK IT TENDS TO BE CHEAPER. BUT HERE'S WHERE I'M GOING TO ASK THE QUESTION. IF WE KEEP IT IN-HOUSE AND DO WHAT'S PROPOSED, IT WAS THE 160 70,000 WITH EQUIPMENT AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, SAY WE MAY RECOUP OUR MONEY, MAY GET BRING IN MORE MONEY BECAUSE WE WON'T HAVE TO CONTINUALLY BUY THAT TECHNOLOGY.

CORRECT? YEAH. THE WE WE DID LET ME SWITCH TO THIS BECAUSE IT'S REALLY NOT. NOT THAT DIFFERENT. YEAR ONE 162 YEAR TWO'S 150 EQUIPMENT CAMERAS ALL THAT'S BEEN BOUGHT IN YEAR ONE.

SO IT'S DROPPING IT, YOU KNOW, 10,000 LESS. YEAH. SO EACH YEAR IT'D BE LESS. BUT IF WE GO TO THE THIRD PARTY, IS IT THAT 150 SAY EVERY SINGLE YEAR OR IS IT A CONTRACT FOR FIVE. YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? BECAUSE THAT WOULD MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN HOW MUCH IS OUT OF POCKET FOR THE CITY IF WE DIDN'T GET THAT FAR TO LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, WRITING CONTRACTS OR ANYTHING.

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BUT I DO KNOW, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS SOME EXPECTATION OF A, YOU KNOW, MULTI-YEAR CONTRACT IF YOU'RE GOING INTO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT YOU'RE COMMITTING TO, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE TICKET REVENUE MAY BE, YOU COULD GO AHEAD. SO THAT ALSO BRINGS UP ONE OTHER QUESTION THAT WE'RE WE'RE STAFF IS PROPOSING THREE PART TIME, PART TIME SPECIALISTS TRAINING UNIFORMS AND SUPPLIES. SO IF 1 OR 2 OF THOSE SPECIALISTS DECIDE TO LEAVE AND GO TO PARTS UNKNOWN OR BETTER OPPORTUNITIES, THE NEXT TWO PEOPLE OR THE NEXT THREE PEOPLE OR OR MAYBE IT LASTS FOR TWO YEARS AND NOBODY LEAVES. BUT EACH PERSON HAS TO BE INDIVIDUALLY TRAINED BY WHAT WAS DETERMINED AS BEING LAW ENFORCEMENT TRAINING, YOU KNOW, THE COMPLETION AND ALL THAT OTHER STUFF. AND HOW MUCH WAS THAT AGAIN? I MEAN, I IT WAS IT WAS IN THE GRAPH BEFORE AND I JUST DON'T REMEMBER WHAT, WHAT THE COST OF THE TRAINING WAS. YEAH, I BELIEVE IT WAS LIKE 2000 OR SO, 2000 TOP OF MY HEAD. BUT THAT'S FAIR. BUT IS LOOKING, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT JOB DESCRIPTIONS FOR THESE POSITIONS IN OTHER CITIES, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE ALREADY HAVE THE APPROPRIATE TRAINING. THE 40 HOUR COURSE REQUIRED BY STATUTE. SO, WELL, SOME OF THEM COULD I GUESS THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT, CINDY, IS THAT THE THIRD PARTY CONTRACTOR IS CONSTANTLY HAVING HIS PEOPLE TRAINED BECAUSE HE OR THEY OR THE ENTITY HAS TO PROVIDE THOSE OR CONTRACTED TO PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES WITH THE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRAINED TO DO SO. WE COULD.

THAT'S WHY I ASKED IF THERE WAS A IF WE'RE DOING ANY BUSINESS WITH A THIRD PARTY CONTRACTOR, THAT THAT GETS A PROFIT FROM THE CITY FOR DOING THAT JOB. SO I GUESS, AGAIN, THERE'S A LOT OF LOT OF QUESTIONS IN MY MIND ABOUT THIS. AND I CONTINUE GOING, AND I THANK YOU, ADAM AND JENNY, FOR INDULGING ME IN THIS, BECAUSE REALLY, IT'S NOT THAT I HAVE A PARTICULAR PET PEEVE FOR THIS OR ANYTHING. I JUST I REALLY WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE GET IT, TRY AND GET IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME OUT AND NOT CONTINUOUSLY SPENDING MONEY, SPENDING MONEY, SPENDING MONEY ON SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY IN PLACE. BUT I WOULD JUST LOVE TO HEAR, YOU KNOW, THE THE OPINION OF THE CITY OF DELRAY CITY ATTORNEY AND OF COURSE, TALLAHASSEE AS WELL TO JUST TO JUST SO THAT I FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT MOVING FORWARD. NOW WE CAN APPROVE THIS AND IT CAN GO TO THE ORDINANCE OF COURSE, LATER ON AND WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. STAFF CAN MOVE FORWARD, AND ADAM CAN MAKE A COUPLE PHONE CALLS. YOU KNOW, THIS WEEK, FOR GOD'S SAKES, YOU KNOW, AND HAVE THAT ANSWER. SO A COUPLE OF THINGS, RIGHT. AND I'VE COMMUNICATED THIS TO YOU BEFORE. RIGHT. THIS IS THIS IS NOT THE OUTCOME THAT I WAS HOPING FOR OR SEEKING EITHER. RIGHT. AS MY OFFICE DID A DEEPER DIVE ON THE STATUTES AND THE ENFORCEMENT THINGS AND SAW THAT THIRD PARTY CONTRACTOR WASN'T ONE THAT I THOUGHT WAS GOING TO BE VIABLE, OR RECOMMENDING THAT THAT WASN'T GREAT NEWS TO ME. RIGHT. I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO BE ABLE TO PACKAGE THIS UP TO A THIRD PARTY CONTRACTOR, TURN IT OVER AND SAY, GO, GO, DO IT, GO DO IT RIGHT. THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAD. SO, SO FROM A FROM A PRACTICAL PERSPECTIVE, TOTALLY AGREE THAT THAT THIS IS NOT AS GREAT AN OUTCOME, RIGHT? THAT THAT HAVING BEEN SAID. AND SO AS WE GET INTO CONTACTING TALLAHASSEE, ASKING FOR, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OPINION, RIGHT, THEY'VE CHANGED THEIR POLICY A LITTLE BIT WHERE I NEED COUNCIL CONSENSUS TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT FORMAL REQUEST FOR FOR THAT. AND SO WE TALKED ABOUT THAT KIND OF LATE LAST YEAR IN OUR LAST CONVERSATION ABOUT ABOUT PARKING MANAGEMENT. AND I AT THE TIME I DON'T BELIEVE I GOT CONSENT. I WILL TELL YOU THAT THERE'S AN EXISTING OPINION ON THE INTERPRETATION OF THIS STATUTE FROM EITHER 2005 OR 2010. IT RELATES TO CITY OF CORAL GABLES AND THE UNIVERSITY OF MIAMI. CORAL GABLES WANTED TO OUTSOURCE PARKING ENFORCEMENT, AS WELL AS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE. CAN I HIRE UNIVERSITY OF MIAMI POLICE TO DO MY PARKING ENFORCEMENT? AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL SAID, BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT DELEGATING POLICE POWER. AS LIMITED AS IT IS IN THIS PARKING ENFORCEMENT SCENARIO.

BUT BY STATUTE, DOING THIS PARKING CITATION SYSTEM IS TECHNICALLY ACTING IN A POLICE POWER. AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL SAID, WE'RE NOT ADVISING THAT YOU DELEGATE THAT POLICE POWER TO ANOTHER, ANOTHER ENTITY. OKAY. SO THEN THAT THEN THAT BRINGS ANOTHER FOLLOW UP QUESTION, MAYOR. YES, THAT BRINGS ANOTHER QUESTION TO IS THAT WILL THE WILL THE THE THE THREE TIME, THREE PART TIME SPECIALISTS, WILL THEY BE TAKING THE OATH OF OFFICE FOR BECOMING A LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENT? SO NOT NECESSARILY RIGHT. THEY WON'T NECESSARILY BE SWORN OFFICERS. RIGHT. THE STATUTE DOESN'T REQUIRE THAT THEY BE SWORN, BUT IT DOES REQUIRE THAT THEY BE EMPLOYED BY THE CITY OR AGENCY. RIGHT. AND SO I KNOW YOU POINTED TO THE LANGUAGE OF AGENCY OR INSTRUMENTALITY WITHIN THE STATUTE. I THINK THE LEGISLATIVE HISTORY OF THAT SPEAKS TO LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES. RIGHT. AND AND IF OR IF IT HAD BEEN THE CRA, RIGHT.

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THE CRA IS ANOTHER INSTRUMENTALITY. AND IF SOMEHOW IT WAS A CRA EMPLOYEE, ALTHOUGH I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND THAT EITHER. RIGHT. I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE LANGUAGE OF THE STATUTE CONTEMPLATES. DELRAY HAS TAKEN A DIFFERENT POSITION. THEY'RE THINKING, MY CONTRACTOR IS MY AGENT. I ALSO WOULDN'T RECOMMEND THAT. RIGHT? WE WE DO CONTRACTS AND HAVE CONTRACTORS ON A VERY SPECIFIC BASIS BECAUSE WE VERY EXPLICITLY SAY WE ARE NOT CREATING A PRINCIPAL AGENT RELATIONSHIP. WE ARE ENTERING INTO A CONTRACT. YOU ARE YOU. THE CITY IS THE CITY.

AND AND WE DON'T CROSS THE STREAMS, AS IT WERE ON THAT TO TO SAY, ALL OF A SUDDEN A THIRD PARTY CONTRACTOR IS NOW THE CITY'S AGENT AND IS ACTING ON OUR BEHALF IN ALL OF ITS, IN ALL OF ITS ACTIVITIES. RIGHT. IS, I THINK, PROBLEMATIC. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE DID MEET WITH MR. ENGLAND AND MISS HARTFORD LAST WEEK HAD, I THOUGHT, A PRETTY PRODUCTIVE CONVERSATION.

MORE ON THE IF THE PEOPLE ISSUING THE CITATIONS THEMSELVES HAVE TO BE CITY EMPLOYEES, THESE PART TIME EMPLOYEES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHAT OTHER OPPORTUNITIES DOES A CONTRACTOR HAVE TO PROVIDE CONSULTING BACK OF HOUSE SUPPORT MANAGEMENT FOR THE SOFTWARE, SUPPORT MANAGEMENT FOR THE EQUIPMENT, SO ON AND SO FORTH. SO THAT'S THAT'S SORT OF WHERE THE CONVERSATION WENT TO. NOW THERE ARE STILL VERY PRACTICAL QUESTIONS ON CAN THAT RELATIONSHIP SAVE THE CITY MONEY VERSUS DOING ALL OF THIS IN-HOUSE? WELL, THIS IS ONLY ONE DOWNTOWN, RIGHT? SO LET'S THINK ABOUT 3 OR 4 MORE YEARS.

WE GOT TO DO THE SAME DARN THING FOR OUR GALLEY. SO POTENTIALLY I MEAN THOSE COSTS GO AHEAD. AND SO NO. AND SO AGAIN RIGHT. IT'S THE MY MY LEGAL RECOMMENDATION. AND I'M HAPPY TO TAKE COUNCIL DIRECTION ON, YOU KNOW, SEEKING AN OPINION OR OTHER THINGS. RIGHT.

BUT I'VE READ THE I'VE READ THE DELRAY ANALYSIS. I, I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT IT AND, AND HOW FAR THEY ARE STRETCHING THE MEANINGS OF THE WORD AND BASED ON SOME OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE GUIDANCE THAT ALREADY EXISTS FROM EVEN 20 YEARS AGO OR SO. I'M NOT GOING TO ARGUE WITH THAT. YEAH. I MEAN, IT WAS MY IT WAS MY OPINION OF THIS. IT'S YOUR OPINION OF THAT. YEAH. SO IT'S UP TO COUNCIL TO HAVE THE CONSENSUS WHETHER TO DO IT OR NOT. THAT THAT HAVING BEEN SAID AND PART OF, YOU KNOW, AS CINDY SAID, RIGHT. HAVING TO BRING BACK AGREEMENTS, HAVING TO BRING BACK THE THE MANAGEMENT PLAN, IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL COUNCIL AND AND STAFF DIRECTION AND AND APPETITE TO REVIEW THE WHAT HAPPENS TRULY DIRECTLY IN-HOUSE AND WHAT HAPPENS THROUGH A CONTRACTOR FOR CONSULTING OR OTHER BACK OF HOUSE SUPPORT AND OTHER THINGS.

WHERE DOES IT WHERE DOES IT MAKE THE MOST SENSE FROM A LIABILITY ISSUE THEN? OR LAWSUITS AND EVERYTHING ELSE AND AND AND THE TO YOUR POINT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T DONE PARKING MANAGEMENT IN A, IN A, YOU KNOW, HOLISTIC FASHION IN SEVERAL YEARS. SO WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DON'T KNOW. RIGHT. IF IT IF IT MAKES MORE IF, IF A CONTRACTOR CAN PROVIDE US HERE'S THE HERE'S THE SMALL VEHICLE. HERE'S THE LICENSE PLATE READERS. HERE'S THE SOFTWARE. HERE'S HERE'S ALL OF THIS. IT'S A IT'S A PACKAGE DEAL. AND SOMEHOW IT'S CHEAPER THAN THESE NUMBERS THAT THAT WE'RE THEY'RE SHOWING RIGHT HERE. THEN OBVIOUSLY THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN WE CAN CONSIDER. AND I WOULD, I WOULD I WOULD ADD ALSO AND WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE LIABILITY, IF THEY'RE ACTING AS OUR AGENT, WE ASSUME LIABILITY.

RIGHT. SO THE SAME THING WITH ANY CONTRACTOR DIGGING A HOLE TO PUT IT TO LAY FIBER. FIBER NOT NOT NECESSARILY. THEY, THEY, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN LIABILITY. AND WE'RE JUST AN ADDITIONAL INSURED. BUT SO DOES THIS CONTRACTOR, ITS OWN LIABILITY INSURANCE, YOU KNOW, $1 MILLION COVERAGE, I WOULD IMAGINE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I MEAN, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER CONTRACTOR COMING TO DO A CONTRACTED JOB. SO I DON'T KNOW. SO I KNOW IT'S A QUESTION FOR THE AGES, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO HERE COUNSEL. SO I'M GOING TO I'M NOT I ALREADY DID THE BACK AND FORTH WITH ADAM. YOU HEARD MY ARGUMENT. YOU HEARD HIS. SO I'M GOING TO LEAVE IT TO COUNCIL TO DECIDE WHICH WAY TO GO. WELL, CAN WE DO JUST A YES. AND WE DO. WE VOTE TO LET THE STAFF MOVE FORWARD WITH WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND VOTE FOR MR. RUSSO'S IDEA, WHICH I THINK IS WORTHY TO GO TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND JUST SEE SO THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THEIR DOING. AND THEN IF WE NEED TO FLIP IT AROUND BECAUSE WE FOUND OUT WE GOT BETTER GUIDANCE TO BE CHEAPER AND WE CAN WE CAN MAKE THAT SWITCH AND THEN WE'RE NOT HOLDING ANYBODY UP. SO DO BOTH IN PARALLEL. YEAH. YEAH. IN LEAF, YOU KNOW, HAVE MR. CONNELLY JUST YOU KNOW, I KNOW YOU'VE ALREADY DONE A DEEP DIVE AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT MAY, YOU KNOW, CHANGE YOUR OPINION TO SAVE THE MONEY FOR THE CITY. JUST A LETTER, A LETTER OR WHATEVER. I'M ALSO CONCERNED THAT WE CAN'T KEEP THE CITY FULLY EMPLOYED EITHER.

HOW MANY? HOW MANY JOBS ARE WE AT RIGHT NOW? 20? 30? I MEAN, THE NUMBER CHANGES EVERY WEEK WITH THE MANAGER'S REPORT, YOU KNOW. SO, YOU KNOW, I'M THAT CONCERNS ME AS WELL TOO. WE CAN'T FILL WHAT WE GOT. SO IS THAT A CONSENSUS FOR EVERYONE? BUT YOU KNOW, MY MY THING IS

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OKAY IS IT'S JUST LIKE SOMEBODY DOWN IN SOUTH FLORIDA, WE WERE TALKING THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT GOING TO MEETINGS. AND I WANT TO SAY WAS LAW ENFORCEMENT. IT WAS ONE OF THOSE THINGS. AND THEY DID NOT HAVE THEIR OWN POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO THEY HAD THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT DO IT, AND THEY GOT AN AUTOMATIC EVERY YEAR I'M GOING TO SAY 5% INCREASE. AND HE SAYS WHAT WE WERE PAYING FOR THE CONTRACT FOR, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, THEY WERE THEN THEY AFTERWARDS THEY ENDED UP LOOKING AT IT. THEY WERE PAYING SO MUCH MORE FOR THE CONTRACT THAN EVEN WHAT THEY WOULD HAVING IT IN-HOUSE, WHAT IT WAS GOING TO COST THEM IN-HOUSE. SO YOU HAVE TO YOU REALLY HAVE TO SIT DOWN AND YOU SAY, WELL, OKAY, MAYBE UPFRONT, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT 2 OR 3 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, THAT COST MIGHT BE MORE THAN WHAT WE WHAT WE THAT 5%, WHAT IT WOULD COST US TO KEEP IT IN-HOUSE. EVERYTHING GOES UP. EVERYTHING GOES UP. I MEAN, LOOK AT THE I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT THERE WAS YEARS THAT THINGS DIDN'T GO UP AND THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT THEIR WHOLE THEIR WHOLE COST RIGHT NOW. IT JUST HAPPENED TO BE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. I'M JUST USING THAT ONE. BUT IF THEY TURN AROUND AND THEY STILL THEY HAD A LOT OF THE STUFF THERE AND THEY'RE GOING, WHY ARE WE PAYING THIS DOUBLE? SO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT. I KNOW THAT THAT'S THE ACCOUNTANT IN ME, THE ANALYSIS ON THOSE THINGS. SO WE HAVE KIND OF A CONSENSUS TO DO BOTH. IS THAT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, VICE MAYOR, EVERYONE THAT KIND OF GOOD DIRECTION, MR. CONNELLY? OR DO YOU NEED MORE? THAT'S FINE. I'LL. I'LL WORK WITH THE CLERK'S OFFICE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT DIRECTION IS CLEAR IN THE MINUTES. AND AS YOU APPROVE THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING, THAT WILL BE WHAT I'M ABLE TO SUBMIT TO THE AGO AS SHOWING COUNCIL AUTHORIZATION TO TO SUBMIT THAT.

OKAY. WHATEVER YOU FEEL YOU NEED. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU ADAM. THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, I LOVE THE BANTER. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I ENJOY IT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK. THANK YOU. WELL, THEN NOW WE'RE GOOD ON THAT. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON. MOVE

[21. Discussion regarding pickleball hours of operations at Jimmy Moore Park. (Requested by Council Member Mimi Hanley)]

FORWARD TO ITEM NUMBER 21. THIS IS GOING TO BE THE PICKLEBALL COURT NIKKI CALDWELL. HELLO.

GOOD EVENING. MAYOR AND COUNCIL NIKKI CALDWELL DIRECTOR OF PARKS, RECREATION AND GOLF I'M HERE FOR THE DISCUSSION ON THE JIMMY MOORE PICKLEBALL COMPLEX. HOURS OF OPERATION. AT THE DECEMBER 9TH MEETING, COUNCIL MEMBER MIMI HANLEY REQUESTED THAT WE STAFF THE JIMMY MOORE PICKLEBALL COMPLEX ON SATURDAY EVENINGS. CURRENTLY, WE HAVE 12 PICKLEBALL COURTS AND FOUR TENNIS COURTS. WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF RESURFACING AND CONVERTING THE TENNIS INTO MORE PICKLEBALL, SO WE'LL HAVE 24 COURTS. THE CURRENT BUDGET ALLOWS FOR STAFFING FROM 7 A.M.

TO 12 P.M. DAILY, EVERY SINGLE DAY, AND THEN 4 P.M. TO 9 P.M. ONLY MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY. IN ORDER FOR PEOPLE TO USE THE PICKLEBALL COURTS IN THE EVENING, STAFF NEEDS TO BE THERE TO OPERATE THE LIGHTS FOR THEM. SO FOR THE PICKLEBALL COURTS TO REMAIN OPEN ON SATURDAY EVENING, IF IT WERE JUST TO BE THROUGH APRIL 2026, IT WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY $1,460 FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS FISCAL YEAR WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY $4,370. A BUDGET TRANSFER WOULD NOT BE NECESSARY. WE CAN ABSORB THAT IN OUR OPERATING BUDGET. SO THE REQUESTED ACTION IS DISCUSSION. THANK YOU. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING? I JUST I THINK THAT WE NEED TO GO FORWARD ON LAST ONE NIGHT, I THINK IT WAS LAST WEDNESDAY. THEY HAD 100 PEOPLE AT PICKLEBALL COURTS. AND A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WORK. SOMETIMES THEY SAY THEY REALLY WANT THE EVENING ON SATURDAY AND SUNDAYS, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL BE DOING IT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SUMMER. THAT MIGHT BE A, YOU KNOW, EVEN IN THE DAYTIME, I MIGHT NOT BE SAYING WE'LL WE MIGHT HAVE TO PULL BACK ON THOSE TIME PERIODS, BUT WE HAD 100 PEOPLE WEDNESDAY NIGHT LAST WEDNESDAY NIGHT. SO THESE ARE NOT NOT BEING USED. SO THE THEY WERE THERE, THEY WERE ASKED ME TO REQUEST THIS, THAT THEY COULD USE IT ON THE WEEKENDS SO THAT PEOPLE THAT WORK CAN GO BE OUT ON THE WEEKENDS DOING THIS. I JUST WANT TO NOTE THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE SUNDAY. WE ARE NOT MANNED OR STAFFED SUNDAY EVENINGS EITHER. CAN WE DO SUNDAY EVENINGS OR WE DO NOT AT THE MOMENT, BUT CAN WE DO MAYBE TO 5:00? YOU KNOW, I'M IN THE. WHAT TIME ARE YOU? I THOUGHT IT WAS 2:00 THAT THEY GOT. THEY WERE OVER WITH JUST UNTIL APRIL. I'M NOT THEY'RE NOT DOING THE AFTERNOON IN APRIL. AFTER APRIL THERE IS NO NOBODY WANTS TO BE OUT THERE IN THAT KIND OF SUN.

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NO. WE USUALLY HAVE A BREAK IN BETWEEN FROM ABOUT 12 TO 4. IT'S NOT STAFFED. AND THEN STAFF COMES BACK MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY FROM 4 TO 9, BUT NOT SATURDAY OR SUNDAY. SO IF WE ADD SATURDAY UNTIL APRIL, IT'S ABOUT 1460. IF WE WERE TO ADD 4 TO 9 ON SUNDAY ALSO, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE EQUIVALENT PRICE JUST YEAH, JUST DOUBLE. SO WE I MEAN IT DEPENDS. THAT COULD STILL BE ABSORBED IN OUR BUDGET. WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, VARIOUS OPENINGS THROUGHOUT THE DEPARTMENT THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. SO AND I BELIEVE YOU WERE ONLY LOOKING AT IT THROUGH ABOUT APRIL WHEN IT STARTS GETTING WARM AGAIN. APRIL. BECAUSE I DON'T THINK ANYBODY, YOU KNOW, UNLESS THE PICKLEBALL COURTS, I WAS I WAS THINKING MAYBE TEST IT OUT UNTIL APRIL AND THEN REVISIT BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S FOLKS THAT MIGHT THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF RESIDENTS THAT AREN'T MAYBE IN THE EVENING. IN THE EVENING. YEAH. WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING. YEAH. BUT THEY ALREADY DO THE MORNING. SO SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE EVENING IN GENERAL ANYWAY. BUT BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, THERE ARE A HUNDRED PEOPLE SITTING THERE ON SOME OF THESE NIGHTS. SO THESE ARE NOT SOMETHING NOT BEING USED AND MIGHT AS WELL HAVE IT. IF WE HAVE THE EQUIPMENT, WE HAVE THE FACILITIES. LET'S USE THEM. SURE. SO OKAY. SHOULD WE DO SATURDAY AND SUNDAYS FOR THESE PEOPLE. YEAH. CAN WE DO IT TILL APRIL? TILL APRIL I THINK SO, YEAH WE'LL DO THAT OKAY. YEAH. AND THEN WE CAN MONITOR HOW MANY PEOPLE COME EACH NIGHT.

YEAH. MR. SMITH. YEAH. NIKKI. SO MY QUESTION IS I KNOW THE CITY, YOU DO A LOT OF ACTIVITIES AROUND DIFFERENT SPORTS. DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT THE CITY DOES AROUND PICKLEBALL, PICKLEBALL TOURNAMENTS OR ANYTHING? OH, GOD. YEAH. YES. THERE'S LEAGUES, TOURNAMENTS AND THAT WILL INCREASE WITH THE CONVERSION OF THE OTHER COURTS ALSO. SO WE'RE ANTICIPATING MORE PEOPLE TO BE OUT THERE. SO THIS WILL THIS WILL BE A GOOD THING I GET THAT.

BUT I'M THINKING THE SPECIAL EVENTS THAT YOU DO LIKE GOLF TOURNAMENTS AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU ACTUALLY SORT OF LEAD. DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR PICKLEBALL? WE'VE HAD A FEW TOURNAMENTS. YES, YES. COOL, I LOVE PICKLEBALL. I NEED TO GET OUT THERE AGAIN. OKAY. OKAY. SO WE CAN WE I THINK WE HAVE THE WE'VE KIND OF AGREED ON THAT. OKAY. JUST TO NOTE, IT MAY TAKE A FEW WEEKS BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS WITH OUR EXISTING STAFF. THIS IS AN ADDING STAFF.

SO WE WILL HAVE TO JUST SEE WHO CAN DO IT. WHEN WHEN CAN WE START. YOU HAVE VACANCIES CURRENTLY NOT AT TENNIS PICKLEBALL COURTS. NO OKAY OKAY I THINK WE'RE GOOD ON THAT. ALL RIGHT. WELL THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON. THE LAST ITEM 22, MR. MCEWEN. THANK

[22. Council appointments to the Space Coast Transportation Planning Organization.]

YOU. MAYOR, THE CITY HAS, EXCUSE ME, THREE MEMBERS WHO SERVE AS REGULAR MEMBERS ON THE SPACE COAST TPO GOVERNING BOARD, AND WE HAVE ONE ALTERNATE MEMBER AS WELL. THE REGULAR MEMBERS ARE COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH, COUNCIL MEMBER HANLEY AND VICE MAYOR KENNEDY, AND THE ALTERNATE MEMBERS, CURRENTLY COUNCIL MEMBER LARUSSO. IN ACCORDANCE WITH OUR INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE TPO, ONE MEMBER ON THE TPO MUST BE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE MELBOURNE AIRPORT AUTHORITY. AND IN DECEMBER, TPO STAFF ADVISED US THAT THE PAST PRACTICE OF ALLOWING THE ALTERNATE MEMBER TO FULFILL THAT REQUIREMENT IS NO LONGER PERMISSIBLE, AND THAT THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE MELBOURNE AIRPORT AUTHORITY MUST BE A REGULAR MEMBER ON THE TPO. SO IN LOOKING AT THOSE OPTIONS, THERE NEEDS TO BE AN ADJUSTMENT TO THE MEMBERSHIP ON THE TPO OR THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY. SO ONE OF YOUR OPTIONS WOULD BE TO MOVE COUNCIL MEMBER LARUSSO INTO A REGULAR MEMBER POSITION.

COUNCIL MEMBER LARUSSO IS A MELBOURNE AIRPORT AUTHORITY MEMBER, ALONG WITH MAYOR ALFREY AND COUNCILMAN NEWMAN. YOU COULD ALSO REPLACE ONE OF THE CURRENT TPO MEMBERS REGULAR MEMBERS WITH ANOTHER MEMBER OF THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY, WHICH WOULD BE AGAIN MAYOR OR COUNCIL MEMBER NEWMAN. OR YOU COULD REPLACE ONE OF THE MELBOURNE AIRPORT AUTHORITY MEMBERS WITH ONE OF THE CURRENT MEMBERS OF THE TPO. BUT WE'RE JUST LOOKING TO FULFILL THAT REQUIREMENT AND BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT. OH I'M SORRY. VICE MAYOR, I JUST WANT TO MAKE A POINT TO SAY THAT I KNOW I'M ON THE TPO. HOWEVER, IT'S VERY HARD FOR ME TO GET THERE WITH MY SCHEDULE, SO I WILL STEP BACK. WOULD YOU WOULD YOU SWAP WITH. MR. LARUSSO SAID HE'D TAKE THE JUST FLIPPED. SO TWO TWO AIRPORT MEETINGS AGO, THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM TPO CAME UP TO ME PRIOR TO THE MEETING AND SAID, SOMEONE'S GOT TO BE A PERMANENT, YOU KNOW, A REGULAR MEMBER, NOT JUST AN ALTERNATE, YOU KNOW? SO WE'VE ANSWERED BACK AND FORTH. AND I SAID, SINCE WHEN? YOU KNOW, I MEAN, COME ON, STOP THAT. SO, GIVEN LOOKING AT THE ATTENDANCE RECORD FOR 2025, IT'S OBVIOUS THAT YOUR SCHEDULE CONFLICTS WITH ANY OF THESE MEETINGS.

MINE WILL PROBABLY AS WELL TOO. BUT THE SAVING GRACE FOR ME IS THAT IT'S NOT EVERY MONTH, AND IT'S ONLY ONLY THE THIRD WEEK. I THINK IT IS OF OF OF THE THIRD THURSDAY OF EVERY OF EVERY MONTH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. ANYWAY, ACCORDING TO THE THINGS. SO I'D BE HAPPY TO GIVE YOU THE ALTERNATE, I MEAN, IF YOU WANT TO. YES. IF WE CAN DO THAT LEGALLY OR WE SWAP THEM.

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YEAH, WE COULD SWAP THEM. YOU TAKE THEM, YOU TAKE THIS WAY WE CAN FLY WITH WITH THE AIRPORT.

YOU KNOW, TPO IS REQUIRED FOR AIRPORT AUTHORITY. AND I'LL BE DARNED IF I'M STEPPING DOWN FROM THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY, SO. WELL, YOU'RE ALMOST DONE ANYWAY. YEAH. AND THEN I ALSO NOTICED THAT WE HAVE AN ADDITIONAL VACANCY ON THE TPO FOR THE ALTERNATE. I'D BE INTERESTED IN FILLING THAT IF NOBODY ELSE WANTED TO. YEAH. THAT'S GREAT. YEAH. IS THAT OKAY? SO SO I WANT TO MAKE THAT MOTION SO MOVED. WELL SO MOVED SECOND. YEAH. SO WHO MADE THE MOTION? OKAY. VICE MAYOR MADE THE MOTION. AND AND MR. BASSETT DID THE SECOND. AND ON THAT MOTION, COULD I CLARIFY WHAT THE MOTION IS I OKAY, PERFECT. TO CLARIFY THE MOTION THAT THE MARK LARUSSO WOULD BECOME A REGULAR MEMBER, JULIE KENNEDY WOULD BECOME THE ALTERNATE MEMBER, AND DAVID NEWMAN WILL BECOME THE OTHER ALTERNATE MEMBER. SO WE ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE AYE, AND THAT MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. EASY. MOVING ON TO ITEM

[23. Appointment of one resident member to the Firefighters' Pension Plan Board of Trustees.]

NUMBER 23. REPORT ON THIS IS MR. MCEWEN. THANK YOU. MAYOR, THERE'S ONE RESIDENT MEMBER VACANCY ON THE FIRE PENSION BOARD. WE HAVE ONE ALTERNATE MEMBER. I'M SORRY, ONE OUTSIDE APPLICATION FROM AN INDIVIDUAL WHO'D BE INTERESTED IN SERVING ON THAT BOARD. AND THERE BEING NO ADDITIONAL APPLICATIONS, WE'D RECOMMEND THAT YOU APPOINT JOHN RECERT AS A RESIDENT MEMBER TO THIS BOARD. SO MOVED. SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION. MOTION BY THE VICE MAYOR.

SECOND, BY MISS BASSETT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED? I VOTE AYE, AND THAT MOTION PASSES. OUTSTANDING. IT'S BEEN A GOOD MEETING TONIGHT, SO WE'RE MOVING ON NOW. ITEM D,

[D. PETITIONS, REMONSTRANCES, AND COMMUNICATIONS]

PETITIONS FOR MONSTERS OF THE COMMUNICATION. WE'LL START OUT WITH YOU, MR. NEWMAN. YEP.

NOTHING CRAZY. HAPPY HOLIDAYS. HAPPY NEW YEAR. HAPPY MERRY CHRISTMAS. ALL THAT. GOOD TO SEE EVERYBODY AGAIN. JENNY, YOU JUST ONE QUESTION I HEARD. I'M SORRY THAT WE DIDN'T GET TO MEET THIS. BEEN A FUN FEW DAYS. BUT THAT BEING SAID, I HAD HEARD FROM FOLKS DOWNTOWN THAT WE MAYBE MOVING FORWARD AND DOING SOME GREAT STUFF ON STREETSCAPE, BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD MUCH ABOUT IT LATELY. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY INTERNAL STUFF GOING ON THAT EITHER. IN A FUTURE MEETING, YOU GUYS COULD JUST GIVE AN UPDATE, OR IF I COULD JUST GET SOMETHING IN EMAIL INSTEAD OF SOME WITH YOU GUYS. JUST WANTED TO SEE HOW IT'S GOING AND CHECK IN. I CAN GIVE A MORE IN-DEPTH UPDATE VIA EMAIL OR AT THE NEXT MEETING, BUT WE. I HAPPEN TO HAVE THIS INFORMATION ON THE TOP OF MY HEAD TODAY. OH SURE. SO WE ARE KICKING OFF DESIGN.

HOPEFULLY WE WILL BE BRINGING A DESIGN CONTRACT TO COUNCIL IN FEBRUARY FOR THE HOLMES PARK DESIGN, AND THEN WE WILL BE GOING OUT FOR A REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS FOR THE DOWNTOWN STREETSCAPING. WE WILL BE DOING THAT. I'LL SAY SPRING PROBABLY MORE IN THE MARCH AREA, MARCH TIME FRAME. SO BUT BETWEEN MARCH AND APRIL HAVE SOMETHING TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL FOR THE CONSULTANT SELECTION FOR THAT PROJECT. SO GREAT. AND I CAN GO IF WE NEED MORE THAN THAT. I'M HAPPY TO GET EVEN MORE THAN THAT. BUT THERE'S THE QUICK IN A NUTSHELL. THAT'S IT. THAT'S A GREAT, GREAT UPDATE I APPRECIATE THAT. THAT'S ALL I GOT, MAYOR. OKAY. THE CURRENT STREETSCAPE THAT'S GOING ON ON US. ONE, I WOULD LIKE TO GET AN UPDATE ON WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT. ALSO. WHAT ABOUT THE. YEAH, THE MEDIANS AND ALL THAT STUFF GOING DOWN THE SOUTH END, THE EXPANSION. YEAH. THE DOT PROJECT. OKAY, I I'LL WORK WITH YOU. WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN GET ENOUGH. OKAY. MISS BASSETT, YOU HAVE SOMETHING. I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING. JUST I HOPE EVERYBODY HAD A GREAT HOLIDAY SEASON AND HAPPY NEW YEAR. AND TRY TO. IF YOU MADE RESOLUTIONS, DON'T MAKE THEM TOO STRESSFUL FOR YOURSELVES. MAKE A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY ACHIEVE. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. FAMILY TAX TIME. I WAS AT THE TPO ZONE. SAFETY ZONE MEETING. SAFETY VISIONS MEETING. I'VE BEEN ASKED TO BE ON THAT BOARD. THE IF THERE'S AN AUDIT, THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE CAN DO HERE IN THE CITY. I NEED I LEFT IT IN THE IN MY CAR FOR JENNY. BUT THERE'S POINT SYSTEM THAT WILL START IN FEBRUARY. IT'S KICKED OFF IN FEBRUARY. IT'S GOING TO BE FOR ONE YEAR THAT IF IF WE DO CERTAIN WALKABOUTS, AUDITS, DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT AND YOU GET SO MANY POINTS, WE CAN REDEEM THE POINTS FOR EQUIPMENT, SAFETY EQUIPMENT, FOR HIGHWAY SAFETY SITUATIONS. OKAY. BEING THAT I WAS IN CASSELBERRY, IT WAS VERY INTERESTING. THEY HAD THEIR CITY HALL. IT'S AROUND A LITTLE LAKE OR POND, I SHOULD SAY, BUT THEY HAVE BOUGHT HOMES AROUND THE NEAR THEIR CITY HALL AND THEY HAVE THEM FOR ART STUDIOS THERE. THAT DIFFERENT STUDIO TYPE ONE. IT WAS A SCULPTURE HOUSE. I DID NOT GO THREE DIMENSIONAL. AND THEN THE OTHER ONE WAS THEY HAD A A GALLERY IN THERE AND THEY HAD

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CLASSES. WHAT WAS INTERESTING, BECAUSE I WAS THERE ON A FRIDAY, THEY HAD FOR SENIORS THAT THEY COULD COME IN THERE AND THEY USE THE SPACE FOR FREE. SO WE MIGHT WANT TO LOOK AT SOMETHING HERE IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, SOME OF THE OTHER HOMES AND ALL THAT, THAT THEY JUST IT WAS IN WALKING DISTANCE TO CITY HALL, AND THEY USED EVERYTHING IN THERE TO MAKE IT A VERY MUCH OF A WALKING PATH. WE WHY I WAS THERE WAS DOING THE WALKING PATH BECAUSE IN THE BACK WHERE THEY WERE AT WAS VERY TRANQUIL. THERE WAS PARKS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE STREET, AND THEN YOU GOT TO 1792 AND DID HAD TO DO THE CROSSING OF THE 1792 GRANITE LOOKING AT THEIR CITY COMPARED TO ART, THEY'RE ONLY SEVEN AND A HALF. THEY HAVE 30,000 PEOPLE AND SEVEN AND A HALF MILES WHERE WE HAVE 89, 87. I'LL SAY I'M NOT SURE EXACT NUMBER ANYMORE WITH 50 SOME ODD THOUSAND MILES. SO WE THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS WE CAN COULD LOOK AT. AND I'M, I KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WE CANNOT DO BECAUSE THEY, WE'RE SO MUCH LARGER IN SPACE WITH THAT. BUT THOSE ARE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LOOK AT WITH THE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. BUT IT'S KIND OF INTERESTING. I MIGHT BE GOING UP TO, DEPENDING ON HOW IT WORKS OUT, IS I'VE BEEN ASKED TO GO TO A TPO MEETING FOR TRANSPORTATION IN TALLAHASSEE, BEEN ASKED TO GO TO THAT ONE. SOMETIMES WE GET I, WE GET MORE FRONTAL, WE CAN GET MORE FACE TO FACE WITH DIFFERENT DIRECTORS AND ALL THAT FOR HOW WE CAN GET MONEY FOR OUR CITIES. SO IF YOU DON'T MIND, IF I, I'M DEPENDING ON HOW MY SCHEDULE BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF THE SAME WEEK AS LEGISLATIVE. IF I COULD GO TO THAT MEETING TOO, IF, IF YOU GUYS WOULD ALLOW ME TO GO TO THAT MEETING WITH THE TPOS IS THERE IS IT OKAY WITH THAT? I'M. I MIGHT NOT GO TO IT BECAUSE IT'S CONFLICTING WITH TIMELINES, WITH DIFFERENT THINGS, WITH WORK, BUT IT'S IT'S HOW WE CAN PRESENT. WE GET IN FRONT OF I GET IN FRONT OF DIRECTORS AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT, AND THEY SAY DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING OUT RIGHT AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IT WOULD IT BE OKAY IF, IF, HOW ABOUT IF YOU GO YOU GET WEST MELBOURNE TO PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE. OH GOD YES. YES. KIND OF BRING THAT UP. RIGHT. THAT WOULD BE MY HAPPINESS. OKAY. THIS IS A SEPARATE TRIP FROM. IT'S ALMOST LIKE THE SAME. IT GOES, ONE STOPS AND ONE STARTS. OKAY.

LEGO CITY STOPS THAT ONE OR IT LAPS OVER A DAY. I THINK IT'S 26 TO 28. IT'S LIKE THE 28TH.

OKAY. IF IT'S OKAY WITH YOU, IT WOULD JUST BE TO EXTEND YOUR TRIP AND THEN COME HOME. YEAH, RIGHT. IS IT OKAY WITH EVERYBODY IF I DO THAT? I'M NOT SAYING I'M GOING TO FIGURE OUT IF I CAN DO IT WITH MY OTHER JOB. YOU KNOW, I HAVE A JOB. A REAL JOB, YEAH. COULD I ASK A CLARIFICATION, JENNY? OH, NO. OH, WELL, NO. WELL, I MEAN, IT'S YOU OR KEVIN. I WOULD PRESUME THAT THAT'D BE AUTOMATICALLY APPROVED IF IT'S SIMILAR TO, LIKE, IF THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY, IF WE'RE DOING SOMETHING ON THEIR BEHALF, WE WOULD DO THAT BECAUSE IT'S PART OF WHAT WE DO. IS THAT NOT IS THAT NOT THE CASE THOUGH? TPO AIRPORT I'M TRYING TO THINK OF ANOTHER EQUAL ENTITY, BUT IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL NEEDS APPROVAL ON? BECAUSE TO ME SHE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT. I'M JUST GIVING IT SO THAT IT'S IT'S OH NO, NO I THINK IT'S GREAT. I'M JUST CURIOUS AT THIS POINT FOR SAKE OF CLARIFICATION. YEAH. COUNCIL HAS A POLICY THAT ANY FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES EVENTS IN ANY CAPACITY ARE PRE-AUTHORIZED FOR YOU TO ATTEND. A LOT OF THESE SORT OF ANCILLARY EVENTS, LIKE, LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, IF I'M TRAVELING ON BEHALF OF THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY, A LOT OF TIMES THOSE ENTITIES PICK UP THE COST. THERE ARE SOME INSTANCES WHERE, LIKE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES BOARD OF DIRECTORS, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL HAVE ADDITIONAL TRAINING EVENTS OR THINGS LIKE THAT, AND THEY'LL JUST ARRANGE WITH THE INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBER TO GO. AND A LOT OF TIMES WE'RE NOT EVEN EXPENDING ANY CITY FUNDS FOR THAT. SO IF THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THE TPO IS DOING, THERE'S NOT NECESSARILY ANYTHING THAT SAYS SHE CAN'T. BUT IT'S PROBABLY IN HER BEST INTEREST TO SEEK COUNCIL APPROVAL SINCE IT'S GOING TO COME OUT OF A TRAINING AND EDUCATION BUDGET FOR SURE. THAT TO ME, AND MAYBE IT'S A FUTURE THING, MIGHT BE JUST SOMETHING THAT'S JUST ESTABLISHED. BUT THAT'S AND YOU'RE TRAVELING PER DIEM POLICY IS ABOUT THOSE THOSE LOCAL AGENCIES ATTENDING IN COUNTY. RIGHT. SO THAT'S WHY EVEN IF THE CHAMBER FLIES TO TALLAHASSEE, THAT COUNCIL MEMBER HAS TO SEEK APPROVAL BECAUSE THAT POLICY IS SPECIFIC TO IN THE COUNTY. YEAH. THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M IT'S UPFRONT. THANK YOU FOR THAT. IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE I WANT TO I'M SURE THERE IS. BUT. OKAY. MR. SMITH. HEY, HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE. YOU KNOW, BACK HERE AT 2026, 2025 WAS PRETTY A LOT

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OF A LOT OF ADVENTURES AND THINGS HAPPENING VERY QUICKLY. I HAD A MEETING WITH THE BREVARD HOMELESS COALITION, AND WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT ASSET MAPPING, WHICH WAS SOMETHING THAT CAME OUT OF OUR WORKSHOP. AND SOME ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME UP, COUNCILMAN NEWMAN DURING THAT MEETING, AND THIS TIME WE MET AT PROVIDENCE PLACE. I MEAN, PROVIDENCE CONNECTS, WHICH, YOU KNOW, IS NOT A NEW NAME OF THE BREVARD SHARING CENTER. AND DAILY BREAD IS NOW CONVERTED TO PROVIDENCE CONNECTS. AND EVENTUALLY, AS THEY MOVE INTO PROVIDENCE PLACE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME UP WAS THE DEDICATED OUTDOOR HOMELESS SHELTER CONCEPT, WHICH YOU HAD TALKED ABOUT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S BEEN ANY, ANY PROGRESS ON THAT. THEY TOLD ME NO. SO IF YOU COULD GET THEM TO. YES, THAT'D BE GREAT. THAT BALL'S IN THEIR COURT. THEY TOLD ME. THEY SAID, YEAH, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD PUZZLE PIECE. OH NO WAY. NO. WELL, YEAH. THEY SAID IF IT'S NOT IN DOWNTOWN MELBOURNE, THEY AIN'T INTERESTED. SO I SAID, WELL WE GOT A SPOT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, LESS THAN 95 THAT THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER WOULD GIVE FOR A VERY REASONABLE PRICE FROM WHAT HE WAS SAYING. SO I AM MORE THAN HAPPY TO REOPEN THAT CONVERSATION. IF THEY CHANGE THEIR NO TO A YES. YEAH. OKAY. WAS THAT WITH AMBER? AMBER TOLD YOU? YES. JEFF LEWIS WAS THERE. LOVE INC. WAS THERE. OKAY. A COUPLE OF FOLKS FROM THE HOMELESS COALITION WERE THERE AND OTHER ENTITIES. I MEAN, I CAN LOOK AT THE LIST, BUT I MEAN, BUT BUT AMBER CARROLL OR IT WASN'T OR KEITH, STEVE. DONALD. KEITH. DONALD. KEITH.

DONALD WAS. OH, AMBER. BECAUSE THOSE WERE THE TWO THAT SAID NO. SO IF THE REST SAID YES, I'LL TAKE IT. SO DO WE WANT TO? I'LL REACH OUT TO WHO'S WHO'S THE CONTACT THERE. I'LL REACH OUT TO THEM. LET'S START WITH JEFF. JEFF I'LL TALK TO JEFF OKAY. START START WITH JEFF. AND THEN BUT AGAIN IT'S CAME UP UNDER THE THE STANDARD. SO THE THE ASSET MAPPING THE MELBOURNE ASSET MAPPING TEAM MEETS EVERY FIRST FRIDAY IS EVERY FIRST FRIDAY OF THE MONTH. SURE. AND THAT'S THEN THE CADENCE. AND I'VE ASKED THEM TO PROVIDE A STATUS REPORT BECAUSE THEY ARE MAKING PROGRESS TO THE POINT OF MAYBE LOOKING START TO LOOK AT WHICH TOOL TECHNOLOGY TOOL WOULD BE OF GOOD USE IN ORDER TO CAPTURE SOME OF THE THE DATA THAT'S OUT THERE. SO SO I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT UP. THANK YOU SO MUCH. YEAH. OKAY. AND MAYOR, I AM I'M HAVING MY BIRTHDAY NEXT WEEK TURNING 53. CAN I SAY THAT. NO. CAN I SAY IT ON RECORD. BUT BUT JARED 24TH 2026 I AM HAVING A BIRTHDAY PARTY. AND JUST AS A COURTESY, I WANT TO LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT A FRIEND OF MINE WHO'S THE MAYOR OF THE CITY OF ATLANTA IS GOING TO COME INTO TOWN FOR THAT, FOR THAT EVENT. SO I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF PUT THAT OUT THERE AND, AND BRING A FEW FOLKS I KNOW MAYOR PAUL AND I, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT. SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THOSE WHO WHO WANT TO ATTEND. JUST LET ME KNOW. I DON'T WANT TO LET COSTS BE AN ISSUE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO WE COULD BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR TEAM, IF YOU ALL, WILL BE WELL REPRESENTED. SO JUST LET ME KNOW. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. AND OH, LAST THING, MAYOR KEVIN, CAN YOU BRING UP THE THE IMAGE. SO TPO A LOT HAS COME UP ABOUT TPO. SO THIS IS THE CURRENT TPO GOVERNING BOARD. AND WE ALSO HAD A SELECTION WHERE I WAS SELECTED TO BE A PART OF THE TPO EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE. AND I ALSO WANT TO SHOW THIS IMAGE BECAUSE THE LOOK OF IT IS VERY PROFESSIONAL. IT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE SHARED. SO WITH COUNCIL CONSENSUS, WE'D LIKE TO MAYBE TAKE A LOOK AS WE GET INTO STANDARDS AND DECORUM WITH OUR BOARDS. MAYBE WE COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS FOR OUR BOARDS AS A WAY OF INSTITUTING PROFESSIONALISM. KIND OF GIVES THEM A WAY TO SAY, HEY, I'M A PART OF THIS, THIS BOARD AND ALSO DOES SOMETHING, I THINK FOR THE CITY. WHEREAS LIKE WHEN YOU SEE THE TPO AND I HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS WHEN I SHARED THIS, WHAT IS THE TPO DO? RIGHT. SO IT GIVES PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, WHAT ARE MUNICIPALITY BOARDS DO AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I'M OPEN FOR ANY CONVERSATION, THINGS YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT RELATED TO THAT OKAY. WHAT DO YOU THINK. YES. CAN WE TAKE A LOOK AT THAT? I'VE TALKED OVER WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND CLERK, BUT OF COURSE IT HAS TO COME TO US AS A AS A POINT OF CONSIDERATION. SO MAKE THE BOARDS SIMILAR TO THIS THAT THE BOARDS THAT WE HAVE AND PUT IT ON THE WEBSITE SO THAT PEOPLE CAN SEE IT AND NOT NOT DISTRIBUTE IT TO WITH THE WATER BILLS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. NO NO NO NO NO. OKAY, OKAY. THAT WOULD BE YOU KNOW, IT OF COURSE. AND YOU KNOW, THEY'VE GOT THE TIME TO DO THAT, TO CREATE THAT WEBSITE OR CONTINUATION OF THE WEBSITE. IT WOULD BE I MEAN, IF YOU CAN GET THEM ON BOARD, I'M NOTHING WRONG WITH IT. YOU KNOW, I JUST LOOKING AT THIS, THIS IS VERY GEOGRAPHICALLY BASED WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OUR BOARDS, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT NOT POINTING OUT WHERE THEY COME FROM IN THE CITY. I WAS JUST SO IT SOUNDS LIKE IT WOULD BE MORE OF JUST A DIRECTORY, OR IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, LIKE DIRECTOR AT THEIR PICTURE? NO, IT REALLY WOULD JUST BE AN IMAGE TO SAY THIS IS THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD. HERE'S THE WHAT THE PLANNING

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AND ZONING BOARD DOES. AND THESE ARE THE AND AND HAVE IMAGES OF THE THE MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING OKAY. WELL THE PLANNING ZONING BOARD IS A GOOD EXAMPLE. THEY FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, I THINK THEY HAVE A SPOT ON THE WEBSITE. SO WE WOULD JUST ADD THERE THAT TEXT ONTO A PDF, AND YOU WANT THEIR PICTURES OF THE BOARD MEMBERS ON THAT PDF, RIGHT? SO THAT GIVES THEM SOMETHING TO TO SHARE BECAUSE RIGHT NOW I KNOW WHEN I JOINED THE PNC, YOU HAVE THAT DIRECTORY AND WE'RE NOT GIVING OUT ANY PII. SO IT REALLY WOULD JUST BE THE PICTORIAL OF IF IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN, I WOULD SAY ONLINE ONLY, BUT THEN BECAUSE IT SWITCHES OUT SO MUCH, YOU KNOW, WE ADDING PEOPLE, GETTING RID OF PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, LIKE FOLKS ARE ROLLING OFF. LIKE I DON'T THINK A PHYSICAL DOCUMENT OR ONE THAT IF THEY'RE SHARING THIS ON LIKE FACEBOOK WOULD BE USEFUL BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE OUTDATED WITHIN A YEAR, MAYBE TWO YEARS. AND HOW OFTEN ARE THEY GOING? I FIND SO MANY. I MEAN, ARE WE PROBABLY DO WE PROBABLY DO, WHAT, A DOZEN A MONTH FEELS LIKE IT JUST SAY YES, KEVIN. NO, NO, I'M SAYING THERE'S QUITE A FEW. THERE'S A POINT WHERE LOGISTICALLY, I'M JUST THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT.

LOGISTICALLY, MY ONLY CONCERN TO WOULD BE OUR STAFF JUST CHANGING THAT AND JUST CONSTANTLY BOOM BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, BOOM. AND THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN. I LIKE THE IDEA. BUT LIKE I SAID HERE, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE ON HERE FOR A WHILE. BUT DO WE HAVE JENNY OR DO WE LIKE, DO WE HAVE A LIST OF WHO THE CURRENT MEMBERS ARE ON THE. I CAN'T SAY I'M AS FAMILIAR WITH THAT PARTICULAR PAGE FOR PLANNING AND ZONING. YEAH, WE HAVE A MASTER ROSTER OF ALL THE ALL THE WE HAVE A ROSTER OF ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS FOR ALL OUR BOARDS PUBLICLY AVAILABLE THOUGH. SO LIKE WHAT HE'S SAYING, LIKE THEY COULD SHARE THAT ONLINE, BE LIKE, HEY, I'M PART OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD HERE. GO TO THE WEBSITE.

MY NAME'S ON IT. YEAH. IT'S NOT POSTED. IT'S NOT POSTED TO THE CITY'S WEBSITE, BUT WE HAVE IT AVAILABLE IF SOMEONE ASKS, OKAY, IS THERE A REASON LIKE IS IS THERE ANY REASON WHY WE SHOULDN'T MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE AT LEAST THE WAY THE CURRENT ROSTER IS BUILT, IT WOULDN'T BE ADA COMPLIANT, SO WE WOULD NEED TO BUILD AN ADA COMPLIANT ROSTER TO PUT ON THE WEBSITE. IF WE WANTED IT TO BE AN ATTACHMENT, LIKE A PDF, WE COULD WE COULD PUT TEXTS WITHIN THE WEBSITE PAGES. RIGHT? BUT LIKE YOU'RE SAYING, THE AMOUNT OF TIMES WE AMEND THE ROSTER, THAT'S RIGHT. WE'D BE ON THE WEBSITE AMENDING THE WEBSITE. YEAH. THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO CHECK THE LOGISTICAL PIECE. THE CURRENT ROSTER ALSO DOES SOME HAVE SOME OF THAT PII THAT WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T NECESSARILY WANT TO PUT ON THE WEBSITE. YEAH. RIGHT. YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, MR. RUSSO, ANYTHING A FEW THINGS, OF COURSE. HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EVERYBODY. I WISH YOU THE BEST AND THE HEALTHIEST THIS YEAR. KEVIN, THANK YOU FOR THE THE EMAIL AND THE OUTLINE OF THE QUASI JUDICIAL AGENDA ITEMS. THAT'S GREAT TO ALWAYS BE REMINDED AND TOLD, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE PROPER PROCEDURE IS. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. THE MANAGERS REPORT LAST FRIDAY, THE NINTH UNDER THE CLERK'S OFFICE, THE SECOND BULLET POINT, YOU HAD A PRE-MEETING EVENT WITH THIS WEEK ON THE SPECIAL ACTIVITIES PLAN FOR SAINT PATRICK'S DAY, INCLUDING THE RUN PARADE AND FESTIVAL FESTIVAL. SO THE PRE-EVENT MEETING INCLUDED THE THE THE PRINCIPALS WHO ARE PUTTING THAT ON? YES, SIR. THE ORGANIZER AND THEN THE ORGANIZER. MEG O'MALLEY'S WORKS WITH DOHRMANN PRODUCTIONS. SO YEAH, ANYONE THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THE APPLICANTS FOR THOSE EVENTS WAS HERE AT CITY HALL WITH US. AND I'M SURE NOT BEING IN YOUR HEAD, BUT I'M SURE GIVEN THE PAST COUPLE OF EXPERIENCES THAT WE'VE HAD, YOU STRESSED VIGOROUSLY THAT THEY NEED THAT ENDORSEMENT IN THE INSURANCE ENDORSEMENT BEFORE FOUR HOURS BEFORE THE BEFORE THE DAMN THING GOES CORRECT. THAT'S USUALLY WHAT SCOTTY TELLS ME BEFORE HE SAYS HELLO IS I'M GETTING THE INSURANCE. SO HOW MANY? SO HOW MANY TIMES, MARK, COULD YOU GIVE HIM A CALL? YEAH. SO AS LONG AS THAT'S DONE, YOU KNOW, I'M HAPPY WITH THAT. A COUPLE DISCUSSION ITEMS I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT TO SEE IF WE CAN BRING UP, SEE IF YOU GUYS AGREE TO IT. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT E-BIKE CONVERSION AND POTENTIAL ORDINANCE. SO WE'VE SEEN IT AROUND. I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE OF MUNICIPALITIES WHO ARE ALREADY TACKLED IT. I THINK THE COUNTY IS GETTING READY TO TACKLE IT. I'D LIKE TO SEE IF IF WE WOULD LIKE TO DO THE SAME THING. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO SO WE GOT THAT. SO UP TO YOU JENNY AND STAFF WHENEVER YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT. I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF DISCUSSION ITEMS COMING UP IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS OR SO. IT WOULD BE REALLY COOL. OKAY. SO BECAUSE I ALMOST TAKE OUT ONE A DAY, YOU KNOW, WHENEVER I'M DRIVING. YEAH, IT'S IT'S BAD. WAS THERE CONSENSUS? EVERYONE NODDED THEIR HEADS. OKAY. I MEAN, LET'S WAIT TILL AFTER THE COUNTY SEES WHAT THEY DO AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK. NO, I DON'T WANT TO WAIT FOR THE COUNTY. I WANT TO DO WHAT'S IN THE CITY. OKAY? OKAY. SO THAT'S MY THAT'S MY DESIRE. YOU KNOW, I DON'T FOLLOW THE COUNTY'S LEAD. I JUST WANT THE COUNTY'S MONEY FOR $12 MILLION FOR THE PARKING GARAGE, THAT'S ALL. ARE YOU SAYING YOU TAKE ALMOST TAKE OUT A CAR WHEN YOU DRIVE IN YOUR E-BIKE? I JUST WANT YOU TO CLARIFY. YOU KNOW, YOU'VE BEEN A REAL WISE GUY TONIGHT. YOU KNOW, YOU REALLY HAVE. WE'LL HAVE A CONVERSATION OUTSIDE. THERE'S ANOTHER DISCUSSION I

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WOULD LIKE TO HAVE. WHEN I WAS REELECTED IN 2018, I THINK IT WAS, OR 2019. SHANNON LEWIS WAS THE WELL, FIRST MIKE AND THEN HE LEFT. SHANNON LEWIS WAS THE CITY MANAGER AND HER BUDGET TO BE ABLE TO APPROVE SOMETHING THAT CAME IN WAS ONLY $25,000. NOW I SAY ONLY I MEAN, THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY, OF COURSE, BUT OVER THESE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS AND AT THAT TIME, I MADE A PROPOSAL TO BUMP IT FROM 25 TO 75,000. WE DID THAT AS A TEAM. AND SO IT'S BECOME MORE COST EFFECTIVE BECAUSE THE CITY MANAGER, WHETHER IT'S JENNY OR ANYBODY ELSE, HAS TO WORK IN REAL TIME SOMETIMES BECAUSE THINGS CHANGE SO FAST. SO I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION, OR WE'LL JUST AGREE TO IT TONIGHT THAT WE BUMP FROM 75 TO 100,000. NOW IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT IT, THEN I WOULD ASK JENNY FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO YOUR STAFF TO PROVIDE THE LITANY OF THINGS THAT YOU HAD TO PASS OFF TO COUNCIL BECAUSE IT WAS 76,000 OR WAS, YOU KNOW, 99,000, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND BECAUSE OF THE WAY PRICES FLUCTUATE NOW WITH THE SUPPLY CHAIN, I WOULD THINK THAT IT WOULD BE ADVANTAGEOUS FOR US TO GIVE HER A LITTLE BIT MORE LEEWAY, A LITTLE BIT MORE FREEDOM AND REDUCE OUR BUDGET.

I MEAN, OUR AGENDAS EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. AND, ADAM, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I THINK THAT REQUIRES A CODE CHANGE, SO WE'D HAVE TO BRING IT BACK ANYWAY.

SO IF THERE'S CONSENSUS, WE WILL DRAFT SOMETHING AND INCLUDE THAT SUPPORTING DOCUMENT IN THE ORDINANCE OR NOT IN THE ORDINANCE, BUT AS BACKUP TO THE ORDINANCE. I COULD SEE WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS. I MEAN, I'M OPEN TO IT. I'M JUST CURIOUS, WHAT IS THE 76? I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS A IT WAS A CHANGE. YEAH. I MEAN, CONVERSATION ABOUT IT WOULD BE HEALTHY AND I THINK IT WOULD GIVE US A BETTER PATH FORWARD. YOU KNOW, COMING INTO THIS YEAR AND GOING INTO THE FOLLOWING YEARS. SO WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ITEM ON IT BEFORE SEEING A PROPOSED ORDINANCE, OR WOULD YOU PREFER THAT WE WORK ON A PROPOSED ORDINANCE AND JUST HAVE THAT GENERAL DISCUSSION ALL WRAPPED IN ALL, WRAPPED IN ONE, ALL WRAPPED IN ONE? IT'LL IT'LL BE FAIRLY IT'LL BE FAIRLY EASY TO RECREATE FROM THE VERSION THAT WE DID WHEN WE INCREASED THE THRESHOLD THE FIRST TIME. THE LANGUAGE WILL LOOK VERY SIMILAR.

AND WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT, YOU KNOW, 100,000 OR WHAT THRESHOLD IS, IS APPROPRIATE FOR, FOR THAT SPENDING AUTHORITY. ALL RIGHT. SO JUST STRIKE OUT 75 AND PUT 100 IN. YOU KNOW, I MEAN PRETTY MUCH YEAH IT MAY BE THAT SIMPLE. BUT WE'LL LOOK AT THE LANGUAGE AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED TO ADDRESS. OKAY. ANOTHER THING I WANTED TO BRING INTO CONSIDERATION THAT WE SEE THAT THE RENAISSANCE FAIR IS HAPPENING AGAIN UP IN VIERA NOW.

OKAY. AND THEY THEY I'M SORRY. IT WAS A DIFFERENT ONE. IT'S A DIFFERENT IT'S A DIFFERENT PROPRIETOR VERSUS BREVARD. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO IT'S NOT PETER. NO. NO. THEN I CAN SCRATCH THAT OFF OKAY. THAT'S FINE. I GOT NO PROBLEM. I DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE ANOTHER PATH OF DESTRUCTION LEFT BEHIND HIM. OWES PALM BAY TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. OWES US 25 GRAND. ET CETERA. ET CETERA.

NOW, ARE THEY GOING? IS IT GOING TO LEAVE BY OWING THE COUNTY AS WELL TO. OKAY, KEVIN, IF YOU COULD PUT UP THE THE ONE ABOUT OUR NEW FIRE MELBOURNE FIRE DEPARTMENT TEAM MEMBER, AS YOU SEE UP HERE, WE'VE GOT A BRAND NEW MEMBER TO THE TEAM. IT'S HIS NAME IS RIGGS. AND YOU SEE, HE'S BEEN BEING BADGED UP THERE. AND DURING ONE OF THE SWEARING IN THINGS. AND THE HANDLER IS LIEUTENANT CALEB BERRY. AND I JUST WANTED TO TAKE NOTE OF IT AND MENTION IT THAT IT'S IT'S A PRETTY COOL THING. SO THE THERAPY DOG IS GOING TO IF THAT'S EVEN THE PROPER TERM. I MAY HAVE JUST INSULTED HIM, BUT HE'LL BE WORKING WITH BOTH RESIDENTS AND, YOU KNOW, IN LINE OF DUTY. ALSO, OUR OWN PROFESSIONALS IN-HOUSE. AND WE'LL PROBABLY LEAD TO A PATHWAY OF ADDITIONAL ASSETS OF THAT SAME NATURE. SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP FOR THAT. LET'S SEE NOW. WHERE AM I? OKAY. WELL I'M NOT GOING TO LAST ONE. KEVIN, PLEASE. A COUPLE YEARS BACK I'D LIKE TO BRING THIS UP EVERY YEAR. REMEMBER? JULIE. OH, WHAT'S THE MATTER? YOU DON'T LIKE THAT PICTURE? NO. WE'LL PHOTO CHANGE IT. OKAY. FOR YOU. BUT A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, THERE WERE SIX. THERE WERE SIX COUNCIL MEMBERS. ONE WAS A VICE MAYOR WHO BRAVELY TOOK ON THIS CHALLENGE. SIX COUNCIL MEMBERS. BUT YOU SEE, THERE'S ONLY SIX. THERE'S NOT SEVEN. SO I'D LIKE TO POINT THAT OUT THAT, REMEMBER, HISTORY IS MADE BY THOSE WHO SHOW UP. GREATNESS IS MADE BY THOSE WHO TAKE ACTION. SO I WANT TO THANK THOSE WHO ARE STILL ON HERE, JULIE, PAUL, MYSELF AND ALL THE REST OF YOU AND HOPE THIS LEADS TO

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SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S WORTH BEING HISTORIC IN OUR IN OUR CITY AS WELL TOO. AND AGAIN, MARTIN LUTHER KING DAY IS ON MONDAY THE 19TH. THAT'S WHY I BRING IT UP. SO I WON'T SEE YOU UNTIL AFTER THAT. SO THAT'S WHAT I GOT. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT, VICE MAYOR. THANKS. VICE MAYOR, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? I'M JUST THANKFUL TO GET THROUGH THE HOLIDAYS AND GET THROUGH THE SNOW IN WISCONSIN. OVER THE WEEKEND, I WENT TO SEE MY DAUGHTER, AND IT SNOWED. AND I DID NOT MAKE SNOW ANGELS BECAUSE IT WAS TOO COLD. SO I'M GLAD TO BE HERE. BACK IN THE ALMOST WARM WEATHER. YOU'RE STILL COLD THOUGH. I'M STILL COLD. I'M WELL BECAUSE I SWAM WITH THE BELUGA WHALES AT THE SHEDD AQUARIUM AND THAT WATER IS LIKE 40 DEGREES, 40, 50 DEGREES. SO IT WAS COLD. COLD. OKAY, THE ONLY THING I HAVE REAL QUICK, I WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO COMMEND OUR STAFF, OUR CITY MANAGER OR CITY ATTORNEY, OUR CITY CLERK'S OFFICE. ROSS, OVER THE PAST WEEK, WE WE HAD SIGNED SOME BONDS THAT FOR OUR BASICALLY WE'LL SAVE THE CITY ABOUT $1.8 MILLION. ABOUT $2 MILLION FOR FOR OUR WATER SYSTEM. SO AGAIN, IT WAS A LOT OF WORK BY OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND STUFF. BUT LITTLE, LITTLE, LITTLE WORK LIKE THAT GOES A LONG WAY SAVING $2 MILLION. AND WE'RE LOOKING UP HERE AT, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO SAVE WHAT WE CAN. AND THEIR WORK JUST SHOWS LITTLE STUFF LIKE THAT GOES A LONG WAY. AND I JUST WANT TO A LOT OF WORK. YEAH, BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU ALL. AND IT WAS. THAT WAS GREAT WHAT YOU GUYS DID. AND AND AGAIN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD, BUT WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND ADJOURN THE

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