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OKAY, WE WILL GO AHEAD AND CALL TO ORDER THE CITY OF, UH, MELBOURNE'S BEAUTIFICATION ENERGY EFFICIENCY BOARD HERE AT CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBER ON JANUARY 26TH TO 2:00 PM WE BEGIN WITH THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD AND DIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
ROTH IS ACTUALLY IN THE HOSPITAL RIGHT NOW.
UM, WE'RE NOT REALLY SURE OF HIS HOPE HE'S OKAY.
BRUCE LINDSAY HAS, UM, IS OUT OF TOWN.
HE TOLD US THAT HIS DADS GETTING BETTER, SEEMS LIKE, BUT HE'S STILL NICE.
UH, NEXT UP IS THE, UH, UH, APPROVAL OF THE NOVEMBER 21ST MEETING MINUTES.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR CORRECTIONS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE? NO.
OTHERWISE, I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
AND IS THERE A SECOND? AM I ALLOWED TO SECOND? NO, SINCE THE ALTERNATES ARE OKAY, I'LL SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I SEE NONE, THEREFORE.
OPPOSED? NAY MINUTES HAVE BEEN APPROVED.
I'LL GIVE THOSE BACK TO YOU FOR YOUR NOTEBOOK.
WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE BEGINNING AND END OF EACH MEETING.
AND, UH, ON OCCASION SPECIFIC TO AN AGENDA ITEM, IS THERE ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT AT THIS TIME? AND THERE ARE NONE.
SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO UNFINISHED BUSINESS.
UH, AND SPECIFICALLY, UH, THIS MEETING IS REALLY DEDICATED TO THE FUTURE OF THE BEAM.
UH, SO, UM, I HAVE DRAFTED A LETTER, UH, YOU SHOULD HAVE BEFORE YOU DRAFT THREE, UH, WITH TRACK CHANGES.
AND WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS GO THROUGH, I GAVE YOU THAT WADE.
DO YOU HAVE ONE SHOULD SAY DRAFT THREE AT THE TOP? YES.
SO, UM, WE'LL DO IS JUST GO, UH, PARAGRAPH BY PARAGRAPH.
I, I'VE PUT SOME TRACK CHANGES IN HERE ON SOME CORRECTIONS THAT I MADE AND THAT WERE AT THE SUGGESTION OF STAFF.
HOWEVER, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND GO THROUGH IT NOW AND MAKE SURE THAT, UH, IT IS WRITTEN IN A WAY THAT EVERYBODY IS ACCEPT, YOU KNOW, ACCEPTS.
AND THEN ULTIMATELY IF APPROVED, THEN WE WILL SEND THIS TO THE CITY MANAGER.
SO WE'LL START WITH, UH, YEAH, EXCUSE ME.
UNLESS THERE'S A SPECIFIC REASON WHY YOU WANNA READ THROUGH SECTION BY SECTION.
I'M VERY COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT'S THERE AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER ANYBODY ELSE HAS HAD THE CHANCE TO LOOK.
SO, RANDY, I'LL LEAVE IT UP TO YOU.
AND WHAT I WOULD ASK THOUGH IS, UM, THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME CONFUSION, UH, OVER, UM, OKAY.
SO FIRST OF ALL, ON THE PARAGRAPH ON, ON ENERGY ON THE, UH, POLICE STATION, I'M GONNA ADD JUST A SENTENCE, ACKNOWLEDGING BRUCE'S CONTRIBUTION.
'CAUSE HE WAS REALLY CRITICAL, UH, IN TERMS OF HIS, UH, INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE ON, UH, FACILITATING, UH, THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE HAD SUGGESTED.
SO I WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND ACKNOWLEDGE HIM ON THAT.
UH, AND THEN, UM, UH, THERE WAS APPARENTLY SOME CONFUSION.
I GOT A, UH, UM, ABOUT THE, UH, UH, SOLAR TOGETHER PROGRAM.
UM, AND, UH, SPECIFICALLY THE STATEMENT, LET ME GET IT HERE.
OH, WHERE IS IT? UH, THAT, THAT, THAT EMAIL, NO, I GOT IT.
UM, THAT THE, WHILE THE CITY IS PARTICIPATING IN THE SOLAR TOGETHER PROGRAM, OUR ELECTRICITY IS NOT PROVIDED THROUGH THE PROGRAM.
THAT IS AN INVESTMENT TO EXPAND SOLAR ENERGY, AND WE SHOULD BE SAVING.
BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS, UH, THAT, UM, UH, WE ARE GETTING ENERGY THROUGH FP AND L, WHICH IS APPORTIONED AS OUTLINED IN THE SOLAR TOGETHER PROGRAM.
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AND THE WORK THAT YOU HAD DONE, JOHN, IS THAT NOT CORRECT? THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING.SO THE CITY'S ELECTRICITY IS PROVIDED THROUGH FPL PERIOD.
WE PARTICIPATE IN THE SOLAR TOGETHER PROGRAM BECAUSE WE ARE, UM, WE'RE BUYING CREDIT, WE'RE BUYING A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF KILOWATTS INTO THE PROGRAM.
SO IT'S NOT FOR, LIKE, THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THAT ARE NOT PART OF THAT PROGRAM THAT WE GET ELECTRICITY.
SO THEY, IT'S A PROGRAM THAT WE'RE PARTICIPATING IN, BUT OUR ELECTRICITY IS NOT COMING FROM THAT PROGRAM.
SO IT'S A PROGRAM THAT WE'RE, THAT'S HOW I INTERPRETED THAT.
WELL, IT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I ASKED FOR SOMEBODY FROM FLORIDA POWER AND LIGHT AND THE SILVER TOGETHER FOR MORE THAN A YEAR TO COME TO OUR MEETING.
WE'VE HAD THE FINANCE PEOPLE COME IN AND TRY TO EXPLAIN IT.
WE'VE HAD, YOU'RE TRYING TO EXPLAIN IT NOW.
ALL I CAN DO IS READ WHAT'S BEEN PROVIDED AND YOU CAN USE WHATEVER KIND OF LANGUAGE YOU WANT TO USE.
WE'RE PAYING TO GET A DISCOUNT ON SOLAR.
THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS SOLD TO THE, TO THE, TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
WE PAY, WE'RE PAYING THE DISCOUNT ON, UH, OUR ELECTRICITY.
AND WE WERE TOLD THAT THAT SOLAR TOGETHER PROGRAM WAS TO INVEST IN THE FUTURE OF SOLAR ENERGY.
YOU PUT THOSE TWO THINGS TOGETHER AND THERE'S NOTHING THAT IS, THAT'S CAUSED THIS WHAT I'VE WRITTEN OR SAID TO BE CHANGED.
I MEAN, I MEAN THAT, THAT THAT'S, I MEAN, THE WHOLE POINT IS THAT THAT PROGRAM IS, IS THE GOAL, THE, THE GOAL OF THE PROGRAM IS THE GOAL OF FP AND L'S ENERGY GENERATING SOURCES.
TO HELP EXPAND SOLAR ENERGY IN FLORIDA.
SO IT'S, IT'S GOING TO THE FULL GRID, BUT WE ARE GETTING OUR ELECTRICITY FROM FPL, WHICH IS RANGES IN A, YOU KNOW, NUCLEAR NATURAL GAS, DIFFERENT TYPES OF ENERGY.
THAT ALL IS IN THE SOLAR, AND IT IS PART OF THEIR ALLOCATION, THE PROGRAM.
AND JOHN HAS ALL THAT INFORMATION THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE NEVER GONNA BE A HUNDRED PERCENT SOLAR.
THEY'RE GONNA RELY ON A OR A LOT OF NUCLEAR YEAH.
SO THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS IS THAT NO MATTER IF THE INTER, IF THE CITY GETS ITS ELECTRICITY FROM FP AND L, THEN THERE IS NO WAY IT'S GOING TO ACHIEVE ITS GOAL AND WHAT IS NOW 2045.
BECAUSE AT THAT POINT IN TIME, FP AND L ISN'T GENERATING A HUNDRED PERCENT MM-HMM
IT STILL HAS FOSSIL FUELS IN THERE.
SO THE POINT BEING THEN THAT THE CITY CAN, UNLESS THE CITY GENERATES ITS OWN ELECTRICITY, THERE'S NO WAY THAT THAT, UH, GOAL CAN BE ACHIEVED.
AND, AND THAT IS OKAY IF THE CITY WANTS TO CHANGE ITS GOALS, BUT WE DON'T KNOW THAT.
AND ALL OF THIS WAS CONVEYED TO THE CITY IN ANNUAL REPORTS AND WE GOT NOTHING, WHICH IS ANOTHER POINT OF THIS.
SO, UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE, DOES ANYBODY ON THE BOARD FEEL THAT THE LANGUAGE SHOULD BE CHANGED FROM WHAT IT IS NOW SPECIFIC TO SOLAR TOGETHER PROGRAM? UH, SO QUESTION OF CLARIFICATION.
THE SOLAR TOGETHER PROGRAM, IS THAT THE ONLY PROGRAM ONLY MECHANISM THAT FPL IS PRODUCING POWER? IS THAT THE CATCHALL UMBRELLA FOR THEIR POWER? OR IS THAT A, A PART OF THE WAY THAT THEY ARE PRODUCING POWER JUST A PART OF IT.
SO WOULD WOULD IT SAY THAT IT GOES TO A, OKAY, SO MEGAN, I WOULD, SO THE PROTOCOL, THE PROTOCOL IS THAT WE TALK AND THAT WE HAVE INFORMATION THAT WE THINK WE COULD GET FROM YOU, THAT WE WILL ASK YOU TO PROVIDE THAT.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND LET THE BOARD TALK RIGHT NOW.
AND IF THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT WE ARE NOT ABLE, WE WILL ASK THE STAFF.
I THOUGHT MEANT WAS, I'M SORRY.
UM, SO UNDERSTANDING THAT THE IDEA THEN IS THAT THE CITY IS COMING, GETTING THE ENERGY FROM FPL THROUGH ALL OF THEIR ENERGY PRODUCTION PROGRAMS AND SOLAR TOGETHER IS ONE OF THOSE PROGRAMS. SO IS IT, MAYBE THE SIMPLEST WAY TO SAY IT IS, IS THE CITY IS GETTING ALL OF ITS ENERGY, ALL OF ITS ELECTRICITY FROM FP AND L AND THE CITY HAS BOUGHT INTO THE SOLAR TOGETHER PROGRAM,
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WHICH PROVIDES A DISCOUNT ON THE ELECTRICITY.BUT THAT DOESN'T CHANGE WHAT'S WRITTEN HERE.
WELL, JUST THE WAY THAT IT READS IS THROUGH THE SOLAR TOGETHER PROGRAM.
I DON'T KNOW, I'M JUST KIND OF, MAYBE I'M GETTING HUNG UP ON THE WORD THROUGH THE SOLAR TOGETHER PROGRAM PROVIDED BY FPL, UM, THROUGH THE, PROVIDED BY FPL, IN PART BY THE SOLAR PROGRAM.
JUST SAY THE CITY, THE CITY'S ELECTRICITY PROVIDED BY FP L AND IS PARTICIPATING IN THE SOLAR YEAH.
AND I THINK JOHN, THOSE, THAT ALLOCATION IN OF 71% WELL, THAT OKAY.
AND WAS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE BEGAN TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THE ORDINANCE OR THE STATUTE OR WHATEVER IT IS, CODE IS REALLY AT.
UM, AND THEN AS YOU CAN SEE THERE, I GOT A COUPLE THINGS, UH, UH, WRONG AND SO ON, SO FORTH IN HERE.
SO, UM, IF THERE ANY OTHER CHANGES OR CLARIFICATIONS THAT FOLKS WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THIS? NO, THAT WAS THE ONLY ONE I HAD.
SO THE FIRST THING WE'LL DO IS I'LL JUST SEEK, UH, AN AUTHORIZATION TO MAKE THAT REVISION, THE TWO REVISIONS, ACKNOWLEDGING BRUCE AND MAKING THAT.
AND THEN, UH, UPON APPROVAL FROM THE BOARD, WE WILL GO AHEAD AND PUT THIS ON LETTERHEAD AND SUBMIT IT TO THE CITY MANAGER.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR OF THE SUBMISSION OF THE AMENDED LETTER TO THE CITY MANAGER? UH, UH, SIGNIFY SAYING AYE.
THE MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, UH, THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DO.
YOU KNOW, AND THEN I HAD SOME CORRESPONDENCE WITH STAFF SPECIFIC TO WHAT PROPORTION OF THE CITY'S BUDGET IS ACTUALLY SPENT ON ENERGY.
AND IT APPEARS WITHOUT INCLUSION OF, UH, THE AIRPORT, IT'S 3%.
AND THEN I LOOKED INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT.
UH, AND THAT'S TYPICAL, YOU KNOW, UH, THREE TO FIVE, 6% OF A, OF A MUNICIPAL BUDGET.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW WHAT THE, THE SUMMARY STATEMENT IN HERE IS ESSENTIALLY THAT THIS IS THE FUTURE OF THE B AND WE'VE PROVIDED THESE, THE TWO, THE TWO OPTIONS IS SOME SORT OF A, A RECOMMITMENT AND, UH, OF, OF HOW THE CITY MIGHT WANT TO GO ABOUT THIS, OR JUST TO GO AHEAD AND DISSOLVE THE BEEB.
AND, UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA HOW LONG IT WILL TAKE FOR THIS TO GET TO THE CITY MANAGER OR FOR US TO RECEIVE COMMENTS THAT ARE, THAT ARE ACTIONABLE.
UH, AND, UM, AND I DON'T REALLY SEE ANY REASON FOR US TO MEET UNTIL WE'VE GOT, I MEAN, I KNOW WE HAVE OTHER THINGS GOING ON.
AND I DIDN'T ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IN HERE.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, WITH THE DIFFERENT KINDS OF AWARDS, ELECTRIC VEHICLES, THE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS BASELINE, THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER THINGS, BUT THEY ARE, UH, PERIPHERAL TO THE MISSION.
AND I, I, I DEBATED ABOUT WHETHER TO, TO, UH, TO STATE THOSE, TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD THAT HAVE, HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO THOSE.
BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU END UP WITH A BOOK YEAH.
COMPLICATED AND NOT A LETTER OR MEMO.
'CAUSE YOU'RE LOOKING TO CONVINCE THE CITY TO PROCURE OR UTILIZE RESOURCES TO GET TO THOSE GOALS.
I MEAN, THAT'S YOUR MISSION IS TO, IS TO COUNSEL AND TO, RIGHT.
SO, UM, SO WHEN THE, WHEN THE LETTER IS, THE MEMO IS SUBMITTED, I WOULD ASK THE STAFF TO GO AHEAD AND COPY EVERYBODY WITH THE FINAL VERSION OF THAT.
AND, UM, I THINK THE, LIKE, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF I'M GOING TO STAY ON AT THIS POINT, YOU KNOW? UM, BECAUSE I, I JUST, QUITE FRANKLY, I JUST, I, I DON'T SEE IT THIS REALLY GETTING ANYWHERE.
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MEAN, YOU COULD ALMOST HAVE LIKE A, AN ANNUAL SPECIAL ADVISORY MEETING THAT WOULD IN SOME SENSE ACCOMPLISH THE SAME THING.I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, TO YOUR POINT, IT'S LIKE THE REPETITIVENESS OF THE GOALS ARE VERY LARGE AND VERY, UH, LONG TERM.
AND IT TAKES A LOT OF INERTIA TO GET THERE.
AND, UM, IT'S, UH, I MEAN, EVEN DO YOU NEED EIGHT PEOPLE ON A BOARD TO, TO REALLY GET TO THAT? IF THERE'S NOT THE RESOURCES BEHIND IT, YOU REALLY COULD HAVE TWO PEOPLE AND JUST SAY, HEY, MY EXPERIENCE SAYS DO THIS OR DO THAT.
AND IF THE CITY'S NOT BUILDING A TEAM OR TRYING TO PUT INTO ACTION, IT'S HARD.
WELL, AND IN FACT, I DIDN'T PUT THIS IN HERE, BUT REALLY THIS IS THE, A JOB FOR A A EITHER A, A DEDICATED STAFF PERSON OR A CONSULTANT TO STAY ON THIS AND TO GET THINGS DONE.
I MEAN, THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD HERE, UM, IS INCREDIBLE.
UH, BUT, UM, BECAUSE WE'RE AN ADVISORY BOARD, YOU KNOW, ARE REPORTS END UP AN, AN EMAIL ATTACHMENT, RIGHT.
SO, RANDALL, I'LL JUMP IN A LITTLE AND SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, I SERVED ON THE WISER BOARD FOR THE COUNTY, YOU KNOW, UH, AND WE CAME TO THE SAME CONCLUSION.
YOU KNOW, IT WAS VERY SIMILAR.
IF YOU WANT TO ACHIEVE THESE GOALS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY THERE LOOKING AT THE DATA DAY TO DAY AND, AND ANALYZING EVERYTHING.
IT'S A CONSULTANT'S JOB, RIGHT? SO YOU'RE NOT ALONE IN THAT, YOU KNOW, SUMMARY BY ANY MEANS.
AND OH, I, YES,
WHAT DID, MAY I ASK YOU A QUESTION? LIKE, I MEAN, I, I WAS ON THE FIRST YEAR OF THE PALM BAY SUSTAINABILITY BOARD.
IT WAS A VERY SIMILAR CONCLUSION THE FIRST YEAR IT TOOK, I MEAN, IT TOOK A LITTLE BIT TO GET GOING, BUT THERE WAS SOME EXPERIENCED, UH, I WOULD SAY MORE RESIDENTS, NOT NECESSARILY INDUSTRY EXPERTS OR ANYBODY ON THERE LIKE THAT.
BUT THERE WAS ALSO FOLKS THAT WERE INVOLVED IN SOME OF THE COASTAL AND ENVIRONMENTAL ORGANIZATIONS AND, AND ROLES OF LEADERSHIP.
AND, AND THEN IT KIND OF DAWNED ON FOLKS THAT THE, THE, THE GOAL OF THAT BOARD WAS THEN TO TRY TO REVISE THE, AT THIS TIME IT WAS IN 2018, IT WAS LIKE THE 2009 SUSTAINABILITY PLAN OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, WHICH WAS CLEARLY OUTDATED,
AND, AND THEN THAT WAS KIND, AND I THINK THEY GOT SOME, SOME FUNDING FROM BUDGET FROM SOMEWHERE TO DEVELOP THIS NEW PLAN FOR THE CITY.
UH, BUT IT WAS ALWAYS A, IT WAS A DISCUSSION.
I MEAN, WE HAD, THERE WAS STAFF THAT SHOWED UP, BUT THERE WAS PEOPLE THAT ON THE BOARD THAT HAD DIRT ROADS STILL.
SO THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT EVEN PAVED ROADS AND YET SOMEBODY'S TRYING TO TALK ABOUT EFFICIENCY AND MM-HMM
AND THE CITY AT THAT TIME, I THINK WAS DOING, THERE WAS A, A BOND OR SOME TYPE OF FUNDING THEY HAD FOR, UH, UH, I THINK IT WAS HONEYWELL OR, OR I THINK IT WAS HONEYWELL, TO, TO, UH, FOR HVAC AND, AND EFFICIENCY FOR ALL THE BUILDINGS, TRY TO REDUCE THE ENERGY CONSUMPTION AND WASTE.
AND SO IT WAS KIND OF COMING TO, IT WAS AN EARLY STAGE, BUT, UH, I HAVEN'T FOLLOWED UP WITH THE RESULT OF THAT BOARD OR WHAT THEY HAD ACCOMPLISHED OR ANYTHING.
BUT, UH, SIMILAR TYPE OF THING WHERE, AND THAT CITY HAS GOT A LOT MORE GOING, DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS, BUT, BUT YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK IT HAS TO, IT GETS DOWN TO IS THE BOARD GIVEN RESOURCES? LIKE, IS THERE A CONSULTANT THAT IS ESSENTIALLY THE INTERACTION BETWEEN THE VOLUNTEERS, WHICH ARE DONATING THEIR TIME, AND THEN SOMEBODY THAT CAN WORK IN MORE OF AN OFFICIAL POSITION AND TAKE IT INTO, UH, YOU KNOW, BUG THE MAYOR OR TO DO THINGS THAT THEY SEE THAT, THAT PEOPLE HAVE COME UP WITH NOVEL IDEAS OF HOW TO HELP THE CITY AND THEN REALLY TAKE INTO ACTION.
'CAUSE THERE REALLY ISN'T THE ABILITY TO DO THAT HERE.
I MEAN, I, I, I GET THE FACT THAT THERE'S A LOT GOING ON TO MANAGE A CITY.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A, UH, AN ELEMENT OF CITY CODE AND THERE ARE ORDINANCES AND THERE'S STAFF ALLOCATED TO DO THIS.
AND, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT, UH, THERE AIN'T, THERE'S JUST MAY NOT, YOU KNOW, AND THEN THE WHO, WHO WAS THE STAFF AT THE TIME THIS THING WAS, UH, EIGHT YEARS AGO NOW WHEN IT WAS PUT TOGETHER THERE, EVERYBODY'S GONE OR THEY'RE DIFFERENT MM-HMM
AND THAT JUST MAY NOT BE A PRIORITY.
AND THERE'S CERTAINLY NO REASON FOR US
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TO BE HERE IF IT'S NOT.AND, UM, SO, AND I, I ALSO LOOKED AROUND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF MUNICIPALITIES WHO ARE ON THIS, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I, I GET THINGS FROM MIAMI ALL THE TIME, UH, ORLANDO, I MEAN, THAT HAVE A REALLY DEDICATED MM-HMM
COMMITMENT TO ACHIEVING THESE GOALS.
AND I'M SURE THAT THE PEOPLE ON THE VOLUNTARY BOARDS, THERE ARE A LOT MORE MOTIVATED
SO LET'S JUST WALK THIS THROUGH THEN.
SO THIS IS SUBMITTED AND WE HAVE SOLICITED A REPLY MM-HMM
UM, AND, BUT WE HAVEN'T GIVEN ANY TIMEFRAME OVER WHICH WE WOULD LIKE THAT REPLY TO BE RECEIVED.
THAT WOULD ASSUME, YOU KNOW, UH, COMMON COURTESY AND, AND, UH, AND PROTOCOL WOULD BE WITHIN A MONTH.
IS THAT FAIR? WOULD TAKE IT TO A COUNCIL MEETING AND DISCUSS IT ON AN OPEN FORUM? BRING IT BACK? WHEN'S THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING? WELL, I MEAN, IF THAT EVEN HAPPENS, RIGHT? I MEAN THAT'S, AND, AND, AND I DID NOT, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD SUGGEST HOW TO DO THAT BECAUSE HOW THEY RESPOND TO THAT IS IN FACT AN ANSWER.
SO IF THEY RESPOND IN A MONTH WITH THAT, THEN WE KNOW THAT'S A DIFFERENT KIND OF A SIGNAL THAN IF WE DON'T HEAR BACK OR WHATEVER.
SO I GUESS WHAT WE'LL DO HERE IS, UM, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A MEETING IN FEBRUARY, AND THEN DEPENDING ON WHATEVER HAS TRANSPIRED BETWEEN THAT AND A WEEK BEFORE THE MEETING, IF, IF THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY KIND OF AN INDICATION, THEN WE WILL JUST CANCEL THAT MEETING AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO SO UNTIL WE HAVE REASON TO MEET.
AND I WOULD, UH, NOT, I WOULD COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND IF ANYBODY ON THIS BOARD WANTED TO RESIGN BEFORE THEN.
I MEAN, HONESTLY I AM NOT SURE WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS BECAUSE I, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT ABOUT ALL THIS AND I WAS WRITING WHAT, UH, WHAT JOY HAD SAID IN THERE, AND MY FEELINGS WERE EXACTLY THE SAME.
AND THEN I GO, WELL, WHAT AM I DOING ON HERE? OKAY, OO OVER THE HOLIDAYS, I GOT A, A NOTE FROM THE CITY CLERK AND MY TERM'S EXPIRED, EXPIRING.
AND SO SAID, IF I WANT TO RE-UP, IT'S TIME TO PUT IN THE PAPERWORK.
MY THOUGHT IS, I THINK I'LL WAIT MM-HMM
SO I'M NOT FILE, I'M NOT REFILING RIGHT NOW.
I'M NOT GONNA MAKE A COMMITMENT FOR TWO YEARS OR THREE YEARS, UM, UNTIL I HEAR SOMETHING.
THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID THE LAST TIME.
I, I'M NOT, I'M NOT A QUITTER.
THE OTHER VOLUNTEER, VOLUNTEER, THE OTHER BOARDS THAT ARE VOLUNTEER, VOLUNTEER ORIENTED BOARDS, IS THERE, I MEAN, THEY HAVE THEIR OBJECTIVES TOTALLY UNRELATED.
SOMETHING, I MEAN, HOW, HOW, I MEAN, I HEARD SOMEBODY SAID THAT WE'RE THE MOST, WE WERE THE MOST ATTENDED ON THE, ON A REGULAR BASIS.
I THINK THAT WAS STATED A MEETING OR TWO AGO.
AND THAT IS A TESTAMENT TO THE PEOPLE HERE THAT CARE, EVEN IF THEY'RE SUPER BUSY.
SO HOW DOES THAT, I MEAN THOSE, ARE THOSE BOARDS NOT REALLY EFFECTIVE EITHER? I MEAN, IS IT MORE OF A INSTITUTIONAL KIND OF THING? OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT SO THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
SO THE WHO WHAT, I MEAN THERE'S LIKE FIFTIES BOARDS, RIGHT? CITIZEN VOLUNTARY BOARD.
I MEAN, I GOT, I DON'T REMEMBER HOW, THERE'S A LOT.
I KNOW THAT THE REASON THAT I GOT TO BE HERE WAS THAT THE BOARD THAT I ORIGINALLY WAS PUT ON WAS DISSOLVED BEFORE I EVEN WAS ABLE TO ATTEND A MEETING.
AND THAT WAS THE GOLF COURSE ADVISORY BOARD.
I'M GLAD TO BE HERE AND I'VE ALWAYS LOOKED UP TO A LOT OF THE PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD, BUT IT DOES SEEM TO BE THAT THERE MAY BE A LARGER ISSUE IF WE'RE NOT THE ONLY SHIP IN THE HARBOR THAT HAS NOWHERE TO DOCK, SO TO SPEAK.
WELL, I THINK THAT'S OUTSIDE OUR, OUR PURVIEW, BUT THERE ARE BOARDS THAT ARE VERY WELL ATTENDED AND THAT MEET REGULARLY AND GET LOTS OF FEEDBACK FROM THE CITY BOARDS THAT HAVE TO DO WITH EMPLOYEE COMPENSATION.
UM, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT ARE, THAT ARE OF IMPORTANCE TO THE STAFF.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, MAKES SENSE.
AND I THINK THAT'S CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS WITH FIREFIGHTERS AND POLICE AND ALL THAT STUFF.
RETIREMENT TI RETIREMENT FUNDS.
WELL, I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU FOR WRITING THE LETTER.
AND I GOT, I DID THIS FOR THE FEEDBACK FROM THE STAFF HERE, WHICH I ACKNOWLEDGE.
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SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.SO IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE, THE ITEM UNFINISHED BUSINESS ITEM SIX AND, UH, NO.
SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON THEN TO NEW BUSINESS, UH, BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS OR, AND OR COMMENTS.
ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
UM, DANNY LAMB, SORRY SHE COULDN'T MAKE IT.
SHE FELT THAT SHE DIDN'T, UM, GET ENOUGH DAYS NOTICE 'CAUSE WE SENT IT OUT WITH THE AGENDA AND LET HER KNOW.
SO MAYBE I SHOULD LET HER KNOW.
SO, BUT ANYWAY, UM, SHE SAID THE AGENDA ITEM SHOULD INCLUDE THE CODE ON WHAT THEIR DUTIES AND PURPOSE IS.
I DUNNO WHAT SHE MEANT ABOUT THAT.
AND THEN SHE SAID, UM, BASICALLY NOTED THAT THEIR ANNUAL ANNUAL REPORTS ARE SENT TO COUNCIL EVERY YEAR.
ALSO NOTE THAT COUNSEL'S INTERACTION WITH BE IS NOT DIFFERENT THAN WITH ANY OTHER ADVISORY BOARD.
THE BE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ORDINANCE CHANGES WERE HEARD AT TWO COUNCIL LEAVE.
SO SHE'S ALREADY SEEN A COPY OF THIS LETTER? NO, NO.
THAT SHE'S SAW THAT SHE'S RESPONDING TO THE, I LET HER KNOW THAT YOU GUYS HAD PLANNED TO TALK ABOUT, UH, THE B BOARD AT THIS MEETING.
THAT WAS BASED ON LAST MONTH'S, UM, MEETING NOTES.
SO, UM, BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO JUST SAY IS THAT THERE'S 13 BOARDS WITH APPROXIMATELY A HUNDRED VOLUNTEERS.
MOST OF THE BOARDS HAVE A HARD TIME BEING FILLED.
UM, THE GOLF COURSE BOARD WENT AWAY BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE, I GUESS, VERY MANY OBJECTIVES TO TALK ABOUT THINGS THAT ACTUALLY WERE, UM, WERE HAPPENING.
BUT THE BOARDS THAT I THINK THEY DON'T REALLY GET INTERACTION WITH THE CITY COUNCIL.
SOME OF THOSE BOARDS THOUGH, LIKE THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD, OR THE HISTORIC AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD, THEY REVIEW PLANS FOR PROJECTS AND THEY MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE SEEN BY THE COUNCIL.
WHEN THE COUNCIL, WHEN IT COMES TO THE COUNCIL FOR THEM TO VOTE, UM, THEY DON'T NECESSARILY TAKE, YOU KNOW, FOLLOW THE RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT THEY SEE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.
RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF NEW PROJECTS COMING UP FOR THIS BOARD TO REVIEW AND PROVIDE THOSE COMMENTS.
SO, UM, AGAIN, I THINK WHAT JENNY WROTE WAS JUST, SHE WAS WRITING THAT TO ME.
IT WASN'T NECESSARILY TO THEM.
SO THAT'S WHY IT'S, IT'S NOT MAKING SENSE.
UM, SHE JUST WANTED, YOU GUYS WANTED ME TO LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT ANYTHING THAT HAS COME ACROSS, SHE DOES TALK ABOUT IT IN HER CITY MANAGER REPORT AND LETS THEM KNOW, YOU KNOW, THESE THINGS ARE HAPPENING, LIKE THE ANNUAL REPORT OR THE CHANGES TO THE BOARD, THAT THAT WAS HER LETTING YOU KNOW, BASICALLY EXPLAINING THAT THE BOARD HAS COME UP IN, UM, IN DISCUSSION.
BUT AS AN ADVISORY BOARD, UNLESS THERE'S REALLY SOMETHING FOR THEM TO VOTE ON, THEY DON'T TYPICALLY JUST SAY THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT YOUR BOARD.
SO THIS IS, I THE
IF IT IS, WE CANNOT GET THIS CITY TO BE 100% RENEWABLE, RIGHT? MM-HMM
AND WHEN THAT OUR, FOR THAT CHANGE, CHANGE IN LANGUAGE IS WE'VE OUTLINED IN THIS LETTER, THERE WAS NO DISCUSSION AMONGST THE CITY OR ITS COUNCIL OR THE MAYOR, ANYBODY, ABOUT WHAT CAN WE DO? YOU KNOW, WHY ARE WE, WHY ARE THESE CHA YOU KNOW, IT WAS ALL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE HAD THE WRONG NUMBERS, IT WASN'T FORMATTED, BUT THERE WAS NEVER A DISCUSSION OF WHAT CAN WE DO BETTER? I UNDERSTAND.
HOW DO WE GET THIS DONE? AND WE, WE CAN'T MAKE ANY OF THAT HAPPEN.
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OUR, WE ARE VERY LIMITED.AND WHEN WE TRIED TO EVEN FIGURE OUT WHERE THE CITY WAS GETTING ITS POWER FROM AND CONVEYED THAT WE WERE NOT ABLE TO GET FP AND L, THE CITY DID NOT STEP IN AND HELP GET FP AND L CONNECTED TO US.
WE'VE TRIED TO GET FPL INFORMATION AND THEY TREAT US THE SAME WAY THAT THEY TREAT YOU.
BUT THAT WAS NEVER CONVEYED TO US.
AND, AND, AND THAT YOU, DID YOU, DID THE CITY ACTUALLY REACH OUT ON BEHALF OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE WERE BEING ANSWERED OR JUST FRUSTRATED BY THE QUESTIONS THAT THEY HAD ASKED THEMSELVES? THERE'S A DIFFERENCE.
SO THAT'S A LOW HANGING FRUIT.
THE, UH, AND WAS CORE TO OUR MISSION OF WHERE ARE WE GETTING OUR ENERGY.
AND WHEN IT BECAME APPARENT THAT ALL OF OUR ENERGY IS COMING FROM FP AND L AND THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GENERATE ENERGY THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THAT, THAT'S A PROBLEM.
SO EITHER THE CITY, WHEN WE SAY WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO MAKE THE 2035, WE THINK IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE THERE WASN'T LIKE, WELL, WHY IS THAT? AND WHAT CAN BE DONE? IT WAS JUST, THEY VOTED ON IT AND THAT'S IT.
NOW WE'RE STILL STUCK WITH THE SAME PROBLEM MM-HMM
BECAUSE IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN BY 2045.
SO THE, I, THERE'S, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THERE'S
WHAT'S THE POINT OF US MEETING HERE WHEN WE KNOW WE CAN'T ACHIEVE THE GOAL THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE ACHIEVING? WHAT'S THE POINT? WELL, THERE IS NO POINT.
AND HAD THE CITY BEEN MORE INTERACTIVE, THEY WOULD'VE SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, MAYBE WE SHOULD REPHRASE OR RETHINK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE.
BUT THE THING IS, THE PEOPLE ON THE CITY COUNCIL ARE, THEY'RE NOT EVEN THE SAME PEOPLE THAT VOTED ON THIS.
SO AS FAR AS I COULD TELL, THEY DON'T EVEN CARE OR THEY DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT OR WHATEVER.
BUT THIS BOARD HAS NO PURPOSE AND NO SUPPORT.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WHICH WE HAVE CONVEYED IN NUMEROUS MEETING MINUTES AND IN ANNUAL REPORTS, I WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT IT.
I CAN'T, YOU KNOW, FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS, BUT IT'S IN THE REPORTS.
SO NOBODY READS THEM OR READS THEM AND CARES ABOUT IT.
AND IF THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT IT, I DOUBT THEY READ THEM.
SO, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, AS YOU CAN TELL, I'M REALLY FRUSTRATED.
I PUT EIGHT YEARS INTO THIS MM-HMM
AS IT OR AS MANY OR BRUCE AND, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S, TO ME IT'S, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS IS, IT'S TO YOUR POINT AS THE, OVER THOSE EIGHT YEARS, WAS THERE, IS THERE AN ABILITY TO TAKE, LIKE THE CITY GOES FOR RESOURCES OR REB BUDGETS OR WHATEVER THAT MAY BE TO, TO ADDRESS THE PERSPECTIVE GOALS OF THAT? AND DO THEY EVER REAL, WERE THERE, WAS THERE EVER GONNA BE A CONVERGENCE? UM, IT'S NOT REALLY PARTICULARLY ANYONE'S FAULT, BUT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, UH, I THINK IT TAKES, IT'S ALWAYS, IT TAKES LEADER.
IT TAKES SOMEBODY, THE CHAMPION ON THE CITY COUNCIL, SOMEBODY WHO JUST SAYS THAT JUST GRABS IT.
AND SO IT, IT'S SAME REASON PROBABLY OTHER TOPICS ARE, ARE GRABBED UPON AND THE MAYOR TAKES OWNERSHIP OR WHOEVER IT, IT SPREADS THROUGH THE, THE ETHER.
AND, BUT I THINK THAT THAT'S THE CHALLENGE IS IF YOU HAD A CHAMPION LIKE ON COUNCIL THAT WOULD COME TO EVERY MEETING AND BE LIKE, HEY, THIS IS HOW WE'RE GONNA DO THINGS.
AND REALLY, SO PERHAPS I THINK THEY HAD, IT'S A SERIES OF UNFORTUNATE EVENTS TOO THAT WHERE THINGS DIDN'T HAPPEN AND THE ENVIRONMENT IN TERMS OF WHERE THE CITY'S BUDGETS ARE AND ALL THAT.
I MEAN, IT'S, RESULTS ARE WHAT YOU WANT.
YOU WANNA GET RESULTS AND YOU WANT TO SEE ACTION.
AND HOW DID, HOW DO YOU GET THERE? YEAH.
UH, WELL, JUST THIS, JENNIFER, JUST HOLD ON HERE.
DID YOU, I MEAN, WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.
IS THERE ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, AND WHAT I'M HEARING, LIKE I SAY I'M NOT, IT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME WHAT IT WAS THAT THE CITY MANAGER WAS CONVEYING.
I THINK IT WAS JUST TO LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT THERE, YOU'RE, THE BOARD HAS COME UP IN THE CONVERSATIONS.
UM, NOW WHETHER THE COUNCIL RESPONDED OR ASKED ANY QUESTIONS IS, DIDN'T, DID OR DIDN'T HAPPEN, THEY DID VOTE.
BUT, UM, AGAIN, THOSE ARE THE ADVISORY THINGS THAT YOU BROUGHT TO THEIR ATTENTION THROUGH THE ANNUAL REPORT AND THROUGH SOME OF YOUR OTHER
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COMMENTS.UM, I DO THINK THAT SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE TO DO SINCE, UM, WE ARE IN YEAR FOUR, IT LOOKS LIKE, OF THE, UH, SOLAR TOGETHER PROGRAM.
AND IT WAS, OR YEAR FIVE, AND IT WAS IN YEAR FOUR THAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A BREAK EVEN, BECAUSE UP TILL NOW IT APPEARS WE'VE PAID IN MORE TO THE PROGRAM THAN WE'VE GOTTEN THE CREDITS BACK FOR.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE CITY MANAGER TO REQUEST FPL TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND WHAT ARE PROJECTS THEY HAVE PROPOSED SINCE THEY DIDN'T MEET THE GOAL.
UM, OF THE FOURTH YEAR WE WERE, WE, I THINK JOHN REQUESTED WE WOULD LOOK AT THOSE ANNUALLY AND IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IN OUR, YOU KNOW, IN, UH, SOMETHING THAT CAME UP ANNUALLY.
WE, WE SHUFFLED AROUND ON THE AGENDA.
I'M NOT SURE IF THAT GOT LOST IN TRANSLATION WITH THE NEW LEADERSHIP OR NOT, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, CERTAINLY THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT MEANS TO THE CITY AND AND SO FORTH.
UM, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF THE, AS I RECALL TO WAGE POINT, THERE WAS AN ADVOCATE ON CITY COUNCIL THAT GOT THIS PASSED THROUGH THERE.
AND, UH, SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE PRACTICAL ASPECT OF THESE, OF HOW THESE THINGS ARE SET UP.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, AND I THINK I CAN SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY ON HERE, THERE'S A LOT OF COMMITMENT TO CIVIC AND A LOT OF EXPERIENCE ON THIS, ON THIS BOARD, AND I'M SURE OTHERS PERHAPS AS WELL.
BUT, UH, IT'S JUST SEEMS LIKE AT THIS POINT THERE'S NO WILL AND IT'S JUST A HUGE WASTE OF TIME THAT WHERE WE COULD ALLOCATE OUR, WHAT WE TO OTHER CONTRIBUTE TO OTHER, UH, THINGS THAT HAVE A HIGHER PROBABILITY OF, OF, UH, BEING ACHIEVED AND MAKING A DIFFERENCE.
YOU KNOW? AND, UH, SO THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S MY SENTIMENT ANYWAY.
AND, AND DON'T, AND DON'T TAKE THE, UH, I I I, THE MINUTES FROM LAST TIME SHOULD NOT HAVE REFLECTED THIS, BUT MAYBE THEY DID.
IT DEPENDS HOW YOU READ THINGS.
IT WASN'T THAT WE WERE COMPLAINING SO MUCH ABOUT NOT INTERACTING WITH THE CITY COUNCIL, BUT JUST THE LACK OF COMMUNICATION, THE LACK OF FEEDBACK ON THINGS WE WERE TRYING TO DO FOR QUITE A FEW YEARS.
AND SO, UM, IT'S ALL CULMINATED IN WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.
UM, SO IT, IT, IT'S, WE NEED FEEDBACK FROM YOUR SIDE OF THE FENCE.
UM, WE NEED YOU TO TELL US HOW WE CAN HELP YOU.
'CAUSE IF YOU DON'T TELL US HOW WE CAN HELP YOU, WE JUST, WE'RE, WE'RE SHOOTING IN THE DARK HERE.
WE HAVE TO REACH OUT AND TRY TO FIND THINGS OUT, AND WE'RE NOT ALWAYS VERY SUCCESSFUL.
SADLY I DIDN'T READ THE MINUTES TO, TO, UH, THIS TIME 'CAUSE IT WAS PREOCCUPIED, UH, AND RIGHT.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID NOT WANT TO CONVEY, AND WE CERTAINLY DID NOT IN THIS LETTER, IS LIKE WE'RE COMPLAINING, IS WE'RE NOT GETTING ANY ATTENTION.
YOU KNOW, UH, THE ISSUE WAS WHAT ARE WE DOING THIS FOR? I UNDERSTAND.
AND, AND I THINK THE CORE, THE AHA MOMENT WAS, WELL, FP AND L ISN'T, WE'RE NOT GOING, I, THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO.
WE CAN'T MAKE THE GOAL ADDING NUCLEAR OR NOT, YOU KNOW, WHO CAN? SO THEN IT'S JUST, SO THAT WOULD'VE BEEN AN INTERESTING ELEMENT OF THE DEBATE.
AT, AT CITY COUNCIL WAS WILL IF, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T KNOW, LIKE DO THEY EVER JUST, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY SUNSET, UH, CODE OR WHATEVER THE THING WAS THAT MOTIVATED THAT, LIKE HOW DO YOU GET RID OF THIS STUFF? BUT I THINK THAT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S NO WILL TO PROCEED AND ACHIEVE THESE, THEY SHOULD JUST DISSOLVE OR REDACT WHATEVER AND GET RID OF THE VOLUNTEERS THAT ARE HELPING OUT.
'CAUSE THEY'RE MEETING EVERY MONTH.
SO, UM, I MEAN, AGAIN, EVEN, EVEN IF IN THE BEST, IN THE BEST CASE SCENARIO, THE ONLY WAY I COULD SEE THIS IS THAT, THAT THE L IS BE COMPLETELY CHANGED TO WHATEVER IT IS THE CITY WANTS TO DO NOW, WHICH IS NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT CLEAN ENERGY.
IT MAY BE AN EFFORT TO CONVERT OR INCREASE THEIR USAGE, REDUCE THEIR CARBON FOOTPRINT.
THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER WAYS TO GET THAT ZEN OUT OF WHAT THE INTENT OF THAT WAS.
AND THAT WOULD'VE BEEN A WONDERFUL DEBATE AT CITY COUNCIL, BUT IT'S CLEAR THAT IT'S NOT A PRIORITY.
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DEBATE DIDN'T HAPPEN.IT'S NOT A PRIORITY, WHICH IS FINE, RIGHT? NOT EVERY CITY WAS TRYING TO DO THIS.
THE CITY GAVE IT A SHOT, IT MADE SOME PROGRESS.
PROBABLY CALL IT A GAME OVER A WIN, YOU KNOW? OKAY.
SO, UM, THAT DOES NOT COUNT AS PUBLIC COMMENT.
SO IN, I I, I, I STARTED TO WATCH IN THE 1958, UH, TV SERIES, THE INVISIBLE MAN.
AGAIN, AS A KID I WAS FASCINATED BY HOW THEY HAD THAT GUY GO AROUND SMOKING CIGARETTES AND STUFF.
BUT IS THERE ANYBODY THAT'S INVISIBLE THAT MIGHT WANNA MAKE A, AND THERE'S NOT AN INVISIBLE MAN.
UH, I'LL DOUBLE BACK TO THE, THE BOARD COMMENT AFTER THE LIGHT OF THE CONVERSATION AND DISCUSSION, THE TWO POSSIBLE OUTCOMES PRESENTED TO RECOMMIT OR TO DISSOLVE.
UM, I CAN'T HELP BUT WONDER ABOUT, WHAT WAS THE PHRASE THAT YOU JUST SAID, RANDALL? YOU JUST SAID REWORK OR RE UH, DEFINE IN TERMS OF THE BE 'CAUSE THAT GOAL OF A HUNDRED PERCENT.
AND I'M NOT A PERSON THAT LIKES TO DEAL IN ABSOLUTES, BUT, YOU KNOW, ANYTIME YOU TRY TO DEAL IN ABSOLUTES, IT'S ALMOST AN ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA ABSOLUTELY MAKE IT
BUT THE IDEA OF HAVING A MORE REASONABLE GOAL TO ACHIEVE WHAT THE BEEB WAS SET OUT TO DO IS SOMETHING THAT I'M INTERESTED IN JUST FOR THE RECORD.
UM, AND ORIGINALLY BEFORE I KNEW THE DETAILS OF THE BOARD, THE IDEA OF THE BOARD OF THE BEAUTIFICATION AND ENERGY EFFICIENCY BOARD, UH, SEEMED RATHER APPEALING BECAUSE OF THE COMBINATION OF BEAUTIFICATION AND ENERGY EFFICIENCY.
WHETHER IT'S BUILDING AN ENVELOPE, ENERGY EFFICIENCY, UH, THE THINGS THAT WE CAN ACHIEVE ON OUR SIDE OF THE FENCE AS OPPOSED TO WHERE THE ENERGY COMES FROM BEING MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TO, YOU KNOW, TO CHANGE.
UM, SO JUST FOR THE RECORD, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN HEARING WHAT A REWORKING OF THOSE GOALS, UH, VISION, MISSION STATEMENT MIGHT BE FROM THE CITY.
UH, IF THEY DID WANT TO KEEP THE PEOPLE GOING IN A, IN A, IN A BROADER, MORE DIFFERENT, UH, WAY WITH ACHIEVABLE GOALS, UH, LIKE PALM BAY HAS DONE AND LIKE OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE THAT THEY HAVE STAFF DEDICATED TO, UH, YOU KNOW, IMPLEMENTING THOSE GOALS.
JUST FOR AN EXAMPLE TO POKE AT THE STAFF THAT WE DO HAVE IN THE ROOM.
YOU KNOW, UH, IN, IN A PAST LIFE IF I WANTED TO HAVE TREES PLANTED IN THE CITY, I MIGHT CONTACT TODD WHO, YOU KNOW, HAD THE ABILITY TO DO THOSE THINGS.
AND THEN I COULD MAKE A REQUEST AND, AND MAYBE THAT COULD GET APPROVED AND THEN THOSE TREES COULD BE PLANTED, WHICH WOULD SHADE A BUILDING WHICH WOULD REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF ENERGY THAT THAT BUILDING WOULD NEED TO CONSUME IN SUMMER MONTHS BECAUSE THE SHADE WOULD ALLOW FOR THAT TO BE COOLER AND THEY WOULD BOTH BEAUTIFY AND BE ENERGY EFFICIENT.
UM, BUT THAT'S JUST MY CLOSING STATEMENT FOR TODAY.
WELL, AND I THINK YOU'RE QUITE WELL TAKEN, WHICH IS WHY IT'S SAID THAT RECOMMIT TO, YOU KNOW, UH, A RENEWABLE ENERGY, NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT.
THE IDEA WAS THAT MAYBE IT NEEDS TO RETHINK WHAT IT'S TRYING TO DO HERE.
IT'S LIKE, IT LOOKS LIKE I WANTED TO SECOND THAT PART OF IT.
AND, AND I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT MESSAGE TO CONVEY TO STAFF HERE IS, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE MANY WAYS TO MAKE TO, UH, ACCOMPLISH GOALS IN THAT SPIRIT.
UH, A HUNDRED PERCENT RENEWABLE ENERGY BY 2035 WAS CRAZY, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU DON'T GENERATE YOUR OWN ENERGY
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE TRIED TO WORK AROUND THE EDGES A LITTLE BIT HERE JUST, UH, FOR THINGS TO DO AND TO SEE THAT WE HAD IT AS SOMETHING TO ACCOMPLISH, YOU KNOW, THE HVACS MAYBE ONE HERE, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE, UH, THOSE ARE IMPORTANT CONTRA, YOU KNOW, IMPORTANT ACCOMPLISHMENTS.
UM, YOU KNOW, OR PRIORITIZING ELECTRIC CARS OR GETTING MORE, UH, RECHARGE STATIONS, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT IS IMPORTANT, BUT IT, IT'S, IT'S NOT REALLY DOING ANYTHING TO ACHIEVE THE GOAL.
SO REPURPOSE THE, UH, AND THEN WITH REGARDS TO BEAUTIFICATION, THAT WAS A ADD ON.
'CAUSE THEY HAD SUNSETTED THE LONGEST STANDING AND THEY ADDED THAT ON.
AND THERE WERE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT CAME IN EARLY ON THAT THOUGHT THIS WAS ALL ABOUT BEAUTIFICATION AND CLEAN WATER.
UH, AND UM, YOU KNOW, UH, I'M NOT ON THERE FOR THAT.
SO NOW YOU HAVE A BOARD, SOME PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THAT, WELL, I GUESS IT WOULD DEPEND ON THE CHAIR AS TO WHETHER YOU'RE GONNA BEAUTIFY OR GET CLEAN ENERGY.
AND IT SO HAPPENS THAT THE MAJORITY
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OF THE BOARD, IF NOT ALL, PRIMARILY DATA CAME TO THE ENERGY ISSUE.AND I THINK THAT HAS TO DO A LOT WITH THE DIRECTION AND RECIPROCATION OF CONVERSATION WITH THE CITY STAFF AND THE DIRECTION THAT, THAT THEY WANTED TO SEE HAPPEN TO.
SO, AGAIN, COMMEND YOU GUYS ON ALL THE WORK YOU DID BEFORE, UH, I GOT TO GET HERE.
YOU GIVE IT BAD GOLF THING, THEY GO UNDER THIS ONE.
WHO KNOWS IF, IF, IF I COULD JUST MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THE HISTORY AGAIN.
UM, THE BEAUTIFICATION BOARD HAD BEEN IN EXISTENCE FOR A LONG TIME.
THE BEAUTIFICATION BOARD WAS NOT AN ADD-ON TO THE ENERGY BOARD AT THE TIME.
CITY COUNCIL DID NOT WANT TO ADD ANY MORE BOARDS.
SO, SO THEY SAID THAT IN ORDER TO DO THIS, THEY'D HAVE TO GET RID OF A BOARD.
WELL, THEY, THERE WERE NO BOARDS THEY WANTED TO GET RID OF.
AND SO THIS WAS ADDED ON AS A BEAUTIFICATION BOARD.
THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL FOR THIS THIS BE HAD BEEN MORE A SUSTAINABILITY KIND OF PROPOSAL.
AND SEVERAL CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS WERE VERY SPECIFIC AS WE DON'T WANT TO TURN INTO NO STINKING SATELLITE BEACH
AND, AND THAT THAT'S, YOU CAN GO BACK AND FIND THAT ON THE TAPE SOMEPLACE.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT WAS VERY CLEAR THAT AS LONG AS IT, AS THIS, AS THIS BOARD WOULD FOCUS ON SAVING THE CITY MONEY ON ENERGY, THEN THEY WOULD, THE BOARD MEMBERS WHO WERE, OR THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO WERE OBJECTING TO THIS WOULD SUPPORT THIS.
YOU KNOW, BUT NONE OF THIS SUSTAINABILITY STUFF.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA SEE A ONE-TO-ONE THAT THAT'S WHY SOME EARLY MEMBERS WHO VOLUNTEERED FOR THIS COMMITTEE DROPPED OFF BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT THINGS LIKE IN INDIAN RIVER LAGOON, RIGHT.
CRANE CREEK, UM, YOU KNOW, ST.
JOHN'S RIVER, UH, OTHER ISSUES THAT MELBOURNE HAS SOME INVOLVEMENT WITH.
AND WE HAD TO TELL THEM SEVERAL TIMES AND, AND THEY, THEY ACTUALLY QUIT THE COMMITTEE BECAUSE WE WEREN'T GONNA BE ADDRESSING THOSE ISSUES, WHICH ARE IMPORTANT.
BUT THERE ARE OTHER AVENUES AND WAYS IN WHICH CITIZENS AND, AND PEOPLE CAN GET INVOLVED AND ADVOCATE FOR THAT.
SO I THINK THAT WAS ANOTHER REASON, WHICH A LOT OF US ARE INVOLVED IN OTHER WAYS, RIGHT? IT'S JUST LIKE, THIS IS A UNIQUE BOARD WITH A UNIQUE MISSION.
THE, THAT BEAUTIFICATION, WE RETAINED, YOU KNOW, THE BEAUTIFICATION ELEMENT OF IT.
UH, WE DEDICATED A PERSON THAT WAS WITH THAT.
STEPH'S DONE A TREMENDOUS JOB COMING UP WITH THE AWARDS, SAME WITH CLEAN ENERGY, AND WE GOT THE TACK ON WITH, UH, MOST VALUABLE POND OR WHATEVER, ALL OF THAT, YOU KNOW.
SO IT'S, AGAIN, NOT LIKE, THERE HASN'T BEEN ANYTHING THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH TO THE BENEFIT OF RESIDENTS IN THE CITY.
AND LIKE HERE, IT'S JUST THAT IS NOT OUR CORE MISSION AND A HUNDRED PERCENT IS, HAS BEEN MENTIONED.
SO IN CONCLUSION, AND BEFORE WE ADJOURN, JUST A REMINDER THAT, UH, THIS WILL GO OUT.
YOU'LL GET A COPY AND THEN WE'LL JUST WAIT FOR A RESPONSE, UH, IF WE DON'T HAVE ONE, UH, IN TIME, UH, TO MAKE A DECISION THAT IS TIMELY IN ORDER TO GIVE EVERYBODY A CHANCE TO RE SHUFFLE THEIR SCHEDULE, WHICH I TRIED TO MAKE TWO WEEKS OUT.
UM, UH, BUT THAT'S ONLY TWO WEEKS FROM NOW.
AND SO WE'LL WAIT UNTIL THE WEEK PRECEDING.
AND THEN IF THERE HAS BEEN NOTHING TO, UH, CAUSE US TO MEET AGAIN, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CANCEL THAT MEETING.
AND, AND THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, BASED UPON THAT, UM, PEOPLE CAN DECIDE WHAT, YOU KNOW, HOW THEY WANT TO PROCEED.
SO WITH THAT, UH, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR ATTENDANCE AND YOUR PARTICIPATION OVER, OVER THE YEARS.
IT'S, IT'S, UH, AND WE'LL WAIT AND SEE.
AND, UH, THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED.