* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. GOOD [00:00:01] EVENING, AND WELCOME [1. Invocation - Father Scott Circe, Holy Name of Jesus Catholic Church] TO THE FEBRUARY 10TH, 2026 REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING. BEFORE WE BEGIN THE MEETING, LET ME REVIEW THE PROCEDURES FOR THE MEETING. IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK, COMPLETE A REQUEST TO SPEAK FORM LOCATED AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS, AND SUBMIT IT TO THE SERGEANT AT ARMS. WHEN YOUR NAME HAS BEEN CALLED, USE THE MICROPHONE AT THE LECTERN ON THE AUDIENCE'S RIGHT AND EITHER STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, OR YOUR NAME AND CITY. SPEAK TO THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE BODY. DO NOT ADDRESS THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBER INDIVIDUALLY. BE MINDFUL OF THE TIMER ON THE LECTERN AND WRAP UP YOUR COMMENTS BEFORE YOU'RE SPEAKING. TIME IN THE TIME LIMITS ARE POSTED ON THE REQUEST TO SPEAK FORMS AND APPLICANT REPRESENTATIVE OR PERSON WITH A LEGAL STANDING TO SUPPORT OR OPPOSE A QUASI-JUDICIAL MATTER WILL BE PERMITTED, PERMITTED ENOUGH TIME AS REASONABLY DETERMINED BY THE CITY COUNCIL TO CREATE A RECORD BEFORE THE COUNCIL. ANY PERSON WHO MAKES A PERSONAL AND PERTINENT SLANDEROUS REMARKS OR BECOMES VOICELESS OR DISRESPECTFUL WHILE ADDRESSING CITY COUNCIL WILL BE ORDERED TO LEAVE THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US THIS EVENING. WE'LL BEGIN WITH THE INVOCATION. IF YOU WISH TO PARTICIPATE, PLEASE STAND TONIGHT. THE INVOCATION WILL BE BE GIVEN BY FATHER SCOTT OF THE HOLY NAME OF JESUS CATHOLIC CHURCH. HELLO, FATHER. HELLO THERE. THANK YOU, CITY COUNCIL FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO OFFER THE INVOCATION. AND LET US BEGIN WITH A MOMENT OF, OF SILENT PRAYER. GOOD AND GRACIOUS GOD, CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE, WE GIVE YOU THANKS FOR ALL THE GIFTS YOU GIVE US, INCLUDING THE GIFT OF OUR LIVES, THE GIFT OF THIS DAY, AND THE GIFT OF THIS OPPORTUNITY TO GATHER IN FREEDOM TO SERVE OUR LOCAL COMMUNITY. WE ASK FOR YOUR CONTINUED HEALING UPON OUR WORLD AND FOR PEACE. DURING THESE CHALLENGING TIMES IN THE SCRIPTURES, YOU HAVE SAID THAT CITIZENS OUGHT TO SUPPORT THE GOVERNING AUTHORITIES SINCE YOU HAVE ESTABLISHED THEM TO PROMOTE PEACE, ORDER, AND JUSTICE. THEREFORE, WE PRAY FOR OUR MAYOR AND FOR THE VARIOUS LEVELS OF CITY OFFICIALS, FOR ALL CIVIL SERVANTS, INCLUDING OUR DEDICATED POLICE, FIRE, AND RESCUE. AND IN PARTICULAR FOR THIS ASSEMBLED COUNCIL, WE ASK THAT YOU WOULD GRACIOUSLY GRANT THEM WISDOM TO GOVERN AMID THE CONFLICTING INTEREST AND ISSUES OF OUR TIMES, A SENSE FOR THE WELFARE AND TRUE NEEDS OF OUR PEOPLE, A KEEN THIRST FOR JUSTICE AND RIGHTEOUSNESS, CONFIDENCE IN WHAT IS GOOD AND FITTING FOR OUR COMMUNITY, AND THE ABILITY TO WORK TOGETHER IN HARMONY EVEN WHEN THERE IS HONEST DISAGREEMENT. WE PRAY FOR THE AGENDA SET BEFORE THEM TODAY. PLEASE GIVE THEM THE COURAGE TO LEAD WITH INTEGRITY AND TO ENACT POLICIES THAT WOULD BENEFIT ALL WHO LIVE AND WORK IN AND AROUND OUR BELOVED CITY OF MELBOURNE. IN CONFIDENCE OF YOUR PROVIDENCE, WE PRAY. AMEN. AMEN. THANK YOU, FATHER. THANK YOU. JOIN US FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY, JUSTICE FOR ALL. JUSTICE FOR ALL. ALRIGHT, MOVING ON TO ITEM THREE. ROLL CALL, MR. MCKINLEY, COUNCIL MEMBER LARISSA, UH, PRESENT. COUNCIL MEMBER NEWMAN. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER BASSETT. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER HANLEY. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH. HERE. VICE MAYOR KENNEDY. HERE. MAYOR ALFRE. AND I'M HERE. AND MOVING ON ITEM FOUR, PROCLAMATION [4. Proclamations and Presentations] PROCLAMATION PRESENTATIONS. I GOT A THANK YOU. I'M GONNA START OUT WITH FITZROY CAMPBELL. WOO. I'M ON DOWN. OH, YEP. COME ON UP. I'M GONNA LET YOU TAKE, TAKE OVER. OKAY. COME ON. RIGHT HERE. YEAH, RIGHT THERE. OKAY. I WANNA SAY A FEW WORDS ABOUT FITZROY. SO, MR. FITZROY CAMPBELL IS THE LAST OF THE OLD GUARD AT THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT. HE'S THE LAST EMPLOYEE TO HAVE OPERATED AND MAINTAINED THE ORIGINAL 1950S LAKE WASHINGTON TREATMENT PLANTS. HE STARTED HIS JOURNEY WITH THE CITY OF MELBOURNE IN MAY OF 1988 AS A TEMPORARY MAINTENANCE WORKER TOO. HE WAS PROMOTED TO A WATER TREATMENT OPERATOR TRAINEE. IN JULY OF THAT YEAR, MR. CAMPBELL OBTAINED HIS DRINKING WATER TREATMENT LICENSE IN 1991. DURING MR. CAMPBELL'S EMPLOYMENT WITH THE CITY, HE WORKED UNDER SIX CITY MANAGERS, THREE UTILITY DIRECTORS, FOUR WATER PRODUCTION SUPERINTENDENTS, AND OPERATED FOUR DIFFERENT WATER TREATMENT PLANTS. THIS INCLUDES THE CITY OF ALI'S WATER TREATMENT PLANT. FITZROY PARTICIPATED IN NUMEROUS WATER TREATMENT PILOT PLANT STUDIES, WHICH RESULTED IN MAJOR TREATMENT PLANT, UM, CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS THROUGHOUT HIS CAREER. THESE CHANGES REQUIRED FITZROY TO COMPLETE, TO TOTALLY RELEARN ALL NEW WATER TREATMENT TECHNOLOGIES. WE TAKE THIS FOR GRANTED NOW, [00:05:01] BUT HE HAD TO LEARN HOW TO OPERATE THE FIRST COMPUTERIZED PLANT CONTROLS NEW AUTOMATED WATER MONITORING INSTRUMENTATION AND NEW LABORATORY ANALYSIS TECHNIQUES. FITZROY EFFORTS WERE INSTRUMENTAL IN MAINTAINING THE CITY'S COMPLIANCE WITH FEDERAL AND STATE DRINKING WATER STANDARDS. FITZROY CAMPBELL IS ALWAYS THE FIRST TO STEP FORWARD DURING AN EMERGENCY AND VOLUNTEER HIS SERVICES. WHILE MANY WERE AT HOME WITH THEIR FAMILIES DURING A HURRICANE, FITZROY WAS AT THE PLANT SITE WORKING TO MAINTAIN WATER SERVICE. DURING THE CRISIS, MR. MR. CAMPBELL WILL ALWAYS VOLUNTEER TO FILL VACANCIES, COVER SHIFTS, AND ACCEPT DIFFICULT ASSIGNMENTS TO KEEP THE WATER PLANTS FULLY MANNED. AND IN FULL OPERATION. IT WOULD EASY BE EASY TO SAY THAT FITZROY HAS SPENT MORE HOURS AT THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT SITE THAN ANY PREVIOUS OR CURRENT WATER PLANT OPERATOR. ON A PERSONAL NOTE, FITZROY IS A MAN OF STRONG FAITH WITH STEADFAST DEDICATION TO HIS WIFE AND TO HIS FAMILY, MANY OF WHICH ARE HERE TONIGHT. UM, FITZROY ALWAYS MAINTAINS A POSITIVE ATTITUDE AND A SMILE ON HIS FACE. YOU'RE NOT SMILING RIGHT NOW, DON'T YOU? . HE'S THE LIGHT DURING THE SEEMINGLY GLOOMY DAY. FITZROY CAMPBELL'S LEGACY WILL LIVE ON AFTER HIS DEPARTURE FROM THE CITY, AND HE WILL BE SORELY MISSED BY ALL WHO HAVE HAD THE PLEASURE FOR, OF WORKING WITH HIM DURING HIS LONG AND STORIED CAREER. SO THIS IS 37 YEARS IN THE MAKING. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE, AND I WILL TURN IT BACK OVER TO THE MAYOR RIGHT NOW FOR YOUR PLAQUE. OKAY. YOU KNOW, I HEARD 1988, THAT'S THE YEAR I GRADUATED OLD GALLEY HIGH SCHOOL, SO I'M LIKE, MAN, THAT'S A LONG TIME . WOW. YOU KNOW, AND, AND I, I WILL TELL YOU ONE OF THE THINGS I LEARNED, UM, JUST GOING, I I WENT TO HONDURAS AND GOT INVITED THERE, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I LEARNED, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING DOWN THERE IS THEY STRUGGLE FOR CLEAN WATER. SO IT IS SO IMPORTANT, OUR WATER, UH, AND WHAT YOU'VE DONE FOR THIS CITY, I DON'T, IT'S IN IMMEASURABLE. SO THIS IS JUST A LITTLE TOKEN FROM THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL AND RECOGNITION FOR YOUR DEDICATED SERVICE. JULY, 1988, THE MONTH IN THE YEAR I GRADUATED TO FEBRUARY, 2026. CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU. FIRST, I WANNA ASK IF JENNIFER OR DAVE WANT TO SAY ANYTHING. YOU PRETTY MUCH SAID EVERYTHING I WANT TO SAY HE'S GONNA BE SORELY MISSED. YES. AND ONE THING, UH, DAVE HAD PROVIDED AFTER WAS, UH, HE'S ALSO AN ARMY VETERAN. OH. SO WE DO THANK YOU FOR THAT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE SUPPORT. DO YOU WANNA SAY ANYTHING? YES. UM, THERE YOU GO. I'VE, UM, I'VE ALWAYS IN MY PRAYER ASKED FOR, UH, GOOD WOMAN AND A, A FAMILY AND, UM, UH, TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE FOR MY FAMILY AND AS COMING OUT FOR THE ARMY, GOOD LORD, UH, BLESS ME, AND GAVE ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO, UH, WORK FOR THE CITY OF MELBOURNE IN WHICH, LIKE YOU READ, I WAS, UH, MAINTENANCE AND, UH, YOU KNOW, OPPORTUNITY NOT, AND, AND I WAS FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO, TO PASS MY TEST, WHICH WAS A DIFFICULT TASK, YOU KNOW? BUT, UM, I'M, UH, I FEEL INDEBTED. I'VE MET SOME REALLY GOOD PEOPLE THE 36 YEARS, YOU KNOW, LIKE, IT'S, IT, IT'S EVEN THE BUMPS IN THE ROAD. I, I GREW FROM IT, YOU KNOW, THE SETBACKS. I GREW FROM IT, AND I LEARNED FROM IT. AND I, UH, I WANT TO GIVE THANKS TO MY BOSSES. UH, I CALLED MY, ONE OF MY OLD BOSSES THERE, FRED DAVIS AND, UH, RUSS PACE. AND, UM, AND I, I WANT TO THANK, UH, SHANICE. THERE'S, I'M GONNA CALL EVERYBODY'S NAME HERE AND MY SON IN THE, IN THE BACK, UH, UH, NATHAN AND, AND, AND, UH, UH, JJ, GOSH, BRAIN FOG JUST A WHILE AGO, AND, UH, AND, AND, UH, UH, RUSS, UH, UH, FRANCIS. FRANCIS, UM, MY WIFE CAROL, MY BEAUTIFUL GRAND BABY, JADA AND LIN, A FRIEND OF THE FAMILY. AND WE GOT SOME OPERATING OLD, OLD OPERATING CREWS THERE, NATALIE. AND, WHICH NOW SHE HAS A FAMILY. I WATCH HER , HAVE A FA GET MARRIED. I WAS FORTUNATE TO, TO ENOUGH TO BE INVITED TO A WEDDING. AND, AND NOW SHE'S, YOU KNOW, BLOSSOMING WITH A, [00:10:01] A FAMILY AND ONE ON THE WAY. I, I DIDN'T MEAN TO TELL YOUR BUSINESS . SHE FLUSHING NOW, AND, AND, AND LAUREN. UM, I'M, I'M FOREVER GRATEFUL AND INDEBTED TO, UH, FOR THE CITY OF MELBOURNE TO GIVE ME THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ALMOST 38 YEARS. I TRIED TO RETIRE AND QUIT ONE TIME, 30, UH, UH, WHEN MY DROP WAS EXTENDED. AND PAM AND MY WIFE, DOUBLE TEAM ME, WAIT A MINUTE, PUMP THE BRAKES, YOU KNOW? AND HERE, HERE I AM, YOU KNOW, GOD BLESS EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU. AND IT'S BEEN A, A PLEASURE. YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, I TAKE THE, THE, THE BITTER WITH THE, THE SWEET, AND IT JUST, IT, IT, IT, UH, IT ENHANCED MY GROWTH AND, AND, YOU KNOW, MY, MY ABILITY TO, TO, UM, TO BE ABLE TO ADJUST, MAKE ADJUSTMENTS AND, UH, AND, AND LOVE ON THE, THE PEOPLE THAT, THAT I'VE WORKED WITH. I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS A HUNDRED PERCENT. I LOVE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU. AND I'M GONNA SURELY MISS YOU. AND I'M SORRY, FRANCIS, I JUST HAD A BRAIN FOG, YOU KNOW? BUT I LOVE YOU TOO. AND CONGRATULATIONS AGAIN ON YOUR MARRIAGE AND, YOU KNOW, BLESSINGS. YEAH. YEAH. THE WHOLE FAMILY. GET A PICTURE. WHOLE FAMILY NEEDS TO COME UP. THE WHOLE FAMILY'S WHOLE. CHEERS. CHEERS. WITH A GREATER RATE. A GOOD DAY. THAT READY? ONE, TWO. ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT. JUDITH DOYLE. AND WE DIDN'T EVEN WAKE UP THE BABY. HELLO. HOW YOU DOING? GOOD. WELCOME. WELCOME. SO THIS IS A PRESENTATION OF THE VOLUNTEER MILESTONE OF SERVICE AWARD TO JUDITH DOYLE FOR 20 YEARS OF SERVICE ON THE MELBOURNE HOUSING AUTHORITY. JUDITH DOYLE STARTED HER POSITION IN THE MELBOURNE HOUSING AUTHORITY ON DECEMBER 9TH, 2005. YOU TAUGHT FOR BREVARD COUNTY SCHOOL SYSTEM FOR 33 YEARS BEFORE STARTING HER VOLUNTEER SERVICE. SHE WAS HEAVILY INVOLVED IN THE CITY OF MELBOURNE COMMUNITY, AND WE GREATLY THANK, UH, HER FOR, UH, HER, HER DEDICATION TO THE MELBOURNE HOUSING AUTHORITY, AND ACTUALLY FOR TEACHING AT THE, THE HARD JOB. AND THANK YOU. RIGHT. VICE MAYOR , THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUOUS SERVICE TO THE CITY OF MELBOURNE. AND REAL QUICK, THIS IS A, A MILESTONE PEN, 20 YEARS, AND WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, RECOGNIZE, CAREFUL. GO. THERE YOU GO. MIKE'S ALL YOURS. OUR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AT THE BACK, MIKE AND HIS WIFE AND MY SISTER JENNIFER, AND SOME OF THE LADIES FROM THE B BEFORE FEDERATION OF TEACHERS RETIRED. AND, UH, UH, THE FIRST THING THAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU GO TO MEETINGS, THERE'S SOMEONE WAITING THERE WITH A SHEET OF PAPER. HOW MANY VOLUNTEER HOURS DID YOU DO? AND YOU HAVE TO WRITE IT DOWN. SO THEY KEEP ME IN CHECK. BUT THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE WORKING WITH THE AUTHORITY. I THINK IT'S RIGHT THAT ALL OF US SHOULD GIVE SOMETHING BACK TO THE UNIVERSE AND TO THE CITY. AND TO THE WORLD, AND LEAVE IT A MUCH BETTER PLACE [00:15:01] THAN HOW WE MET IT. AND I ENJOYED DOING THIS. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE MOVING [5. Approval of Minutes - January 13, 2026 and January 27, 2026 Regular Meetings] ON TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE, APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. JANUARY 13TH, 2026, AND JANUARY 27TH, 2026. REGULAR MEETINGS. MAYOR, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE JANUARY 13TH AND JANUARY 27TH, 2026. REGULAR MEETINGS TO MINUTES. SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION BY MR. SMITH, SECOND BY MR. NEWMAN. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE. AYE, THAT PASSES. ITEM NUMBER SIX, CITY MANAGER'S REPORT. MS. LI IT JUST REAL QUICK, UM, IF, IF I CAN MAYOR BEFORE CITY MANAGER'S REPORT. NO, ABSOLUTELY. GO. ONE OF, ONE OF THE ITEMS ON THE JANUARY 13TH, 2026 MINUTES WAS THE APPROVAL TO SUBMIT THE, UM, ATTORNEY GENERAL, UM, ADVISORY OPINION REQUEST ON THE PARKING MANAGEMENT ISSUE. THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A DELAY BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE THE QUORUM AT, AT, UH, LAST MEETING. SO I, I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW NOW THAT THOSE MINUTES ARE APPROVED, I, I NOW HAVE THAT FORMAL AUTHORITY TO SUBMIT AND I JUST WANTED TO, UM, MANAGE SOME EXPECTATIONS, RIGHT? USUALLY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S TURNAROUND TIME IS ABOUT FOUR TO SIX MONTHS, SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE KNEW THAT IF THEY RESPOND YEAH. IF, IF, IF THEY CHOOSE TO ANSWER IT AT ALL. YEAH. SO, UM, BUT THAT I, I'VE GOT THAT, UM, ITEM PREPARED, SO WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES, THAT'LL GO OUT HERE SHORTLY. THANK YOU, MAYOR AHEAD, SIR. QUESTION, UH, THEN THE ENTIRE PROCESS IS ON HOLD UNTIL WE HEAR BACK. I THINK THAT'S PART OF ONE OF TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION OR, OR AN ITEM THAT WE CAN DISCUSS FURTHER. OKAY, WELL IF YOU DON'T, SO THE PARKING MANAGEMENT, UM, COUNSEL DIRECTION WAS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, THE, UM, DECISION OR, YOU KNOW, TO, TO SEND SOMETHING THERE, BUT THEN AT THE SAME TIME, TO WORK ON WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IF, IF THE ANSWER IS THAT WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD ON OUR, ON OUR OWN WITH CITY FORCES. AND SO WE ARE, WE ARE DOING BOTH PATHS AT THE SAME TIME. IN FACT, WE'VE ALREADY HAD ONE MEETING INTERNALLY, WE'RE, WE'RE MEETING EVERY COUPLE OF WEEKS SO THAT THAT DOESN'T FALL AWAY. IF THEY COME BACK QUICKER, WE'LL BE READY, BUT IF NOT, WE, WE WILL STILL BE READY. AND, UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE DO TAKING DUAL PATHS ON THIS ONE. ALRIGHT, MAYOR, GO AHEAD, SIR. UM, UH, THE, UM, OTHER, UM, QUESTION THAT WE HAD EARLIER WAS A, UM, UH, OPINION FROM THE OTHER, UH, ATTORNEY IN SOUTH FLORIDA, YOU KNOW, SO, UH, DELRAY BEACH, I THINK IT WAS. YEAH. SO, I MEAN, HAVE YOU REACHED OUT TO HIM? I MEAN, I KNOW THAT WAS PART OF OUR CONVERSATION. I JUST WANT TO, I DON'T WANNA HOLD UP ONE BECAUSE OF THE OTHER. I JUST WANT TO TRY AND FIND A PATHWAY. I, I THINK, I THINK THAT ATTORNEY'S OPINION WAS PRETTY WELL SET FORTH IN THAT, SOME OF THAT WRITTEN DOCUMENTATION. RIGHT. AND THAT WAS PART OF THE CONVERSATION WE HAD EARLIER OF, I, I'M NOT OF THAT SAME OPINION, BUT YOU HADN'T, UH, YOU HADN'T SPOKEN TO HIM AT THE LAST MEETING. I, NO, THAT'S CORRECT. ALRIGHT, SO YOU HAVE SPOKEN TO HIM? NO, I, I STILL HAVE NOT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, ADAM. HOLD ON, MS. LEY. GO AHEAD, MA'AM. OKAY. I WAS UP TALLAHASSEE TWO WEEKS AGO, I GUESS NOW. MM-HMM . AND I TOOK MY ETHICS BECAUSE IT WAS TOO COLD FOR ME TO WALK OUTSIDE. AND IT WAS BROUGHT UP ABOUT, THERE WAS ANOTHER COMMUNITY, I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT WHAT IT, YOU KNOW, HOW YOU GET BITS AND PIECES BECAUSE OF SB 180, THERE WAS A COMMUNITY THAT WENT TO DO THE PARKING, THE PAID PARKING THING, AND THE COMMUNITY CAME BACK AND FILED A SUIT AGAINST THE CITY BECAUSE OF SB 180. GOT, SO I, I, I DON'T KNOW WHICH CITY IT IS. I'M TRYING TO REACH OUT TO PATRICK THAT GIVES THE ETHICS GROUP. HE WAS THE ONE WHO SPOKE, I THINK IT'S PATRICK, I BE, I BELIEVE IT'S CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH. UM, AND THE LAWSUIT BY THE, IT'S ACTUALLY BY THE RELIGIOUS COMMUNITY, UM, HAD SEVERAL COMPONENTS TO IT. THE, UM, AREA CHURCHES WERE MAKING SEVERAL CLAIMS, UM, THAT AN INSTITUTION OF A PAID PARKING, UM, REGULATIONS WITHIN FERN INDIANA BEACH WERE, WE'RE VIOLATING DIFFERENT PROVISIONS. SB 180 BEING ONE, BEING ONE OF THEM. SO WE MIGHT WANNA WAIT, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST PUTTING THAT OUT THERE SO THAT WE'RE NOT GOING IN THERE AND THEN TURNING AROUND HAVING TO DO A U-TURN ON THIS SITUATION. WELL, FOR THE MOMENT, WE'RE NOT, UM, THE, THE COUNCIL DIRECTION WE'VE GOTTEN HASN'T BEEN TO INCLUDE PAID PARKING. RIGHT. JUST TO, WHAT, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW IS A NEW MEASURE OF ENFORCING EXISTING PARKING REGULATIONS FOR TIME RESTRICTIONS AND, AND OTHER THINGS I JUST WANNA MAKE, BECAUSE OF 180, BECAUSE OF SB 180, THERE'S [00:20:01] A LOT MORE, UM, COMMUNITIES HAVE BEEN NOT BE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT CERTAIN THINGS, UM, FORWARD BECAUSE OF 180. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I WANNA MAKE SURE WE, THAT WAS, YEAH. AND I, THAT WAS A BIG ONE THAT I GOT. IT WAS LIKE, FAIR, FAIR ENOUGH. AND, AND I THINK, I THINK GENERALLY SB 180, UNTIL THERE'S CLARITY PROVIDED BY THE LEGISLATURE, I THINK SB 180 IS GONNA GET THROWN AROUND AS A, AS A POTENTIAL, UM, CHALLENGE FOR A LOT OF MUNICIPAL REGULATION. UM, I'M NOT NECESSARILY THE OPINION THAT EITHER PAID PARKING FEES OR, OR, UM, PARKING ENFORCEMENT REGULATIONS CONSTITUTE A LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATION AS SB 180 CONTEMPLATES. SO I, I AM I, I'M JUST PUTTING IT OUT THERE. I'M NOT, I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE THE SAME CONCERNS AS THE SB 180, UM, FOR PARKING MANAGEMENT AND PARKING ENFORCEMENT, UM, THAT I DID FOR, UM, HOW THE LANGUAGE OF CHAPTER THREE 16 READS. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ONE MORE THING. GO AHEAD, SIR. THANK YOU. UH, SINCE I BROUGHT IT UP AND I WAS THE LEAD ON THIS, WE ASKED YOU TO CALL THE GUY, UH, THE ATTORNEY DOWN IN DELRAY BEACH. YOU SAID YOU HAVE NOT, YOU'RE WAITING FOR THE RETURN CALL FROM THE ATTORNEY GENERAL. IT COULD TAKE SIX, EIGHT MONTHS IF THEY EVEN RECO, EVEN IF THEY RESPOND. SO IS THERE A REASON WHY YOU DID NOT CALL THE DELRAY BEACH, UH, CITY ATTORNEY? BECAUSE IT'S PART OF THIS PROCESS, BECAUSE IT'S PART OF OUR DECISION MAKING. SO I'M, I'M JUST CURIOUS, ADAM, I MEAN, WHY NO, I, I, AND I APOLOGIZE IF, IF THERE'S MISCOMMUNICATION THERE, RIGHT? I, UM, THERE IS, I MEAN, CLEARLY IN THE MINUTES AND EVERYTHING ELSE, WE, WE ALL ASKED YOU TO CALL DELRAY BEACH. ALRIGHT, I'LL BACK OFF AND I, AND I WILL, AND I'LL HAPPILY DO IT TO HAVE TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WITH HIM. I REALLY DO. YEAH. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU, MAYOR. ANYTHING ELSE, MS. LAMB? WHAT? I HADN'T STARTED ON THE MANAGER'S REPORT YET. I KNOW. BESIDES YOUR WRITTEN REPORT. [6. City Manager's Report] UM, I, I'M NOT GONNA READ THROUGH EVERYTHING ON THE WRITTEN REPORT. UM, I DO WANNA POINT OUT THERE, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO GET CONSENSUS ON THE, WELL, FIRST OFF, AT I ISSUED A LETTER OF SUPPORT TO DO, UH, FOR A DOT PROJECT, AND IT WAS FOR, UM, A FEDERAL RAIL, UM, ADMINISTRATION GRANT. WE HAVE, COUNSEL HAS GIVEN ME THAT APPROVAL IN THE PAST BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE A QUORUM. I MOVED AHEAD BASED ON PASS TO ACTION. BUT IF COUNSEL HAS ISSUE WITH THAT AND WE DON'T HAVE CONSENSUS, I AM HAPPY TO REMOVE MY LETTER OF SUPPORT. SO, UM, I HAVEN'T HEARD OTHERWISE FROM EVERYONE. I THINK WE'RE OKAY. WE GOOD? OKAY. UM, AND THEN WE ARE ALSO LOOKING FOR CONSENSUS, UM, ON OUR OPIOID SETTLEMENT PROCEEDS. UM, I HAVE A MEMO IN THERE FROM OUR DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, AND WE ARE, UM, LOOKING AT POSSIBLY PIGGYBACKING A CONTRACT OR UTILIZING SEMINOLE COUNTY'S CONTRACT WITH RECOVERY CONNECTIONS OF CENTRAL FLORIDA. AND, UM, I CAN GIVE YOU THE SHORT VERSION IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, I WILL DEFER TO JOAN. UM, BUT WE ARE JUST LOOKING FOR CONSENSUS TO PROCEED WITH THAT. THAT WOULD STILL HAVE TO COME BACK TO COUNSEL. WE WOULD HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM TO AWARD THAT CONTRACT WITH ALL OF THE DETAILS OF THAT CONTRACT AND WHAT SERVICES ARE PROVIDED. PLEASE, YEAH, PLEASE GO FORWARD WITH, WITH IT. YOU SAID I'VE SEEN FOUR FOUR KNOTS. OKAY. AND, AND JUST TO CLARIFY, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU SAID THERE MIGHT BE SOME FUNDS WE COULD RETAIN FOR OUR OWN CITY SERVICES IF THAT NEED COMES UP. IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THAT IS CORRECT. WE WERE NOT LOOKING TO SPEND THE ENTIRE AMOUNT, WE WERE LOOKING TO LEAVE A, A PORTION, AND I, I DON'T WANNA NECESSARILY WANNA SAY IN RESERVE, BUT A PORTION SET ASIDE SO THAT IF OUR POLICE AND FIRE NEEDED IT AND OUR INITIAL REQUEST TO POLICE AND FIRE, IF THEY, THEY HAD FIRST NEED FOR IT, THE ANSWER WAS NO, BECAUSE THEY ARE RECEIVING, UM, THE TRAINING AND THE PRODUCTS THROUGH OTHER REVENUE, UM, THROUGH OTHER SOURCES. GREAT. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND THEN, UM, I'M, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO THE CITY ATTORNEY IF HE DOESN'T MIND, ABOUT THE, UM, L THREE HARRIS ON THE BOOSTER PUMP STATION REPLACEMENT AND THE PROPERTY PURCHASE. UH, SO EARLIER THIS YEAR, UH, COUNSEL APPROVED A, UM, PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT FOR A PORTION OF PROPERTY FROM L THREE HARRIS, UM, AT THE CORNER OF HIBISCUS AND WOODY BURKE. UM, IT'S FOR AN EXPANSION, AN INTENDED EXPANSION OF A, UH, WATER BOOSTER PUMP STATION, UM, PURSUANT TO COUNCIL POLICY THREE 10, UM, WHICH IS A, UM, SOMETHING THAT WAS ADOPTED BY COUNCIL, UH, PURSUANT TO THE JAC AUDIT. UM, THERE IS A REQUIREMENT IN THAT, UM, POLICY FOR COUNCIL TO BE MADE, UH, AWARE OF AND SORT OF INFORMED CONSENT ON, UM, THE CLOSING PROCESS AND DUE DILIGENCE PROCESS AFTER THAT CONTRACT'S APPROVED PRIOR TO THE CITY ACTUALLY CLOSING ON THE TRANSACTION. SO, UH, PURSUANT TO COUNCIL'S AUTHORITY AND THE APPROVAL OF THAT AGREEMENT, WE MOVE FORWARD WITH BOUNDARY SURVEY, UH, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL PHASE ONE, UH, TITLE COMMITMENT, TITLE SEARCH. UM, THERE ISN'T [00:25:01] ANYTHING THAT WE FOUND THAT WAS, UM, UNEXPECTED OR, UM, OF REALLY OF NOTE. UM, I'LL JUST NOTE, AND IT'S NOTED IN THE, UM, THE WRITTEN REPORT, IN THE MANAGER'S REPORT, THERE WERE SOME EXCEPTIONS OR SOME, UM, SOME INFORMATION THAT WASN'T INCLUDED IN THE, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL PHASE ONE, UM, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE UNDERLYING HISTORICAL INFORMATION, UM, BASED ON OUR ANALYSIS, UM, WE'RE STILL RECOMMENDING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE TRANSACTION BECAUSE PRIOR TO L THREE HARRIS'S OWNERSHIP, THE PROPERTY WAS ACTUALLY IN CITY AND AIRPORT AUTHORITY, OWNERSHIP AND MANAGEMENT. AND SO ANY ENVIRONMENTAL HISTORICALS WOULD'VE BEEN SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD'VE LIKELY BEEN AWARE OF OR PARTICIPATED IN ANYWAY, SO, SO THAT, THAT UNDERLYING UNKNOWN RISK IS, IS SORT OF MITIGATED BASED ON OUR PRIOR OWNERSHIP AND MANAGEMENT OF THE PROPERTY. SO UNLESS THERE'S ANY OBJECTION, WE'LL, WE'LL BE MOVING FORWARD, UM, TOWARDS CLOSING ON THAT PROJECT, UM, HERE IN, IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO. ANY OBJECTIONS? NO, MAYOR. JUST FOR, UH, TO HELP ME, WHAT WAS THE, THE PRICE OF THE PURCHASE AGAIN, YOU REMEMBER OFF, RIGHT OFF HAND? UH, IT'S, IT'S IN THE SIX FIGURE RANGE. IT'S OKAY. UM, MIGHT BE IN THE MINUTE. NO, IS IT ON THE MINUTES? IT'D BE FROM JANUARY 13TH. OKAY. ALRIGHT. NOT, NOT, NOT A BIG DEAL. JUST, THAT'S FINE. OKAY. THANK YOU, MARY. I HAD TWO MORE QUICK THINGS. FIRST ONE IS THE, UM, THE DONATION OF THE CITY OWNED PROPERTY TO THE DAV. THE DAV HAS SENT US AT LEAST TWO EMAILS, IF NOT THREE, THAT THEY WOULD LIKE US TO PUT THAT ON HOLD. UM, AND THEN I KNOW THAT, UM, THAT COUNCIL MEMBER LARUSSO HAS A QUICK MEETING SET UP FOR, UM, US TO SPEAK TO THE NEW LEADERSHIP AT THE DAV. SO, AND THEN LAST BUT NOT LEAST, THE LEGISLATIVE UPDATE I DO, UM, STAFF IS PREPARED TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND WE, AND PROVIDE A LITTLE INFORMATION ABOUT IF THE SALES TAX OR IF THE PROPERTY TAX, UM, BILLS GO THROUGH. AND, UM, WE HAVE A, A QUICK POWERPOINT ON THAT IN, BUT I WOULD SUGGEST WE DO THAT, LIKE AS ITEM EITHER 28, ADD ON ITEM 28, OR TALK ABOUT IT UNDER PETITIONS, REMON AND COMMUNICATION. AND WE'LL DO THAT. WE'LL DO THAT. OKAY. YEAH. ANY QUESTIONS, MS. LAMB? NO. OKAY. MOVING ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT. ITEM [7. Public Comments] SEVEN, COUPLE. WE'LL START OUT WITH TY STEWART, FOLLOWED BY JOE ELLI, I BELIEVE. SORRY IF I BUTCHERED THAT. DAD. HELLO? CHRIST, KRISTY STEWART. DO YOU WANT MY, UM, WORK ADDRESS HERE IN NUMBER? NO, YOU'RE GOOD. IT'S ON, IT'S ON HERE. YOU'RE FINE. OKAY. VERY GOOD. UM, SO I AM, UH, FROM LOVE INC. LOVE IN THE NAME OF CHRIST, AND WE ARE WORKING WITH A DISABLED WIDOWED SENIOR. AND SHE, IN 2011, SHE WAS LIVING IN A RENTED HOME AND THE PIPES BURST. THERE WERE THE OLD COPPER PIPES FLOODED HER HOUSE, AND THE, UH, OWNER DID REPLACE THEM, BUT STUCK THEM WITH A $2,500 WATER BILL. AND IN, UH, 2024 AND 25, SHE WAS RENTING A PLACE WITH HER SON, AND THEY WERE PAYING AN ADDITIONAL $50 A MONTH TOWARDS THAT BILL. AND THEN SHE BECAME HOMELESS IN NOVEMBER. UM, IN AND OUT OF HOTELS, THE HOSPITAL, SHE CAME TO US HOMELESS AGAIN, AND WE WERE ABLE TO GET HER HOUSING, THANK GOODNESS. AND TODAY WE WENT TO GET THE WATER TURNED ON AND THERE'S THE $1,400 BILL FROM 15 YEARS AGO TACKED ON. UM, I DID A TALK WITH A LADY AT THE UTILITIES AND SHE SAID THAT WE COULD DO A HARDSHIP LETTER, BUT SHE SAYS IT IS EXTREMELY SLOW AND TAKES QUITE A LONG TIME. UM, THIS LADY HAS DONE AMAZING, AND THIS IS REALLY THE LAST ROAD BOX STANDING IN HER WAY TO SUSTAINABILITY. SHE SIGNED A YEAR LEASE. UM, WE WILL CONTINUE TO WALK WITH HER FOR STABILITY. AND SO I WANTED TO ASK THE COUNCIL, INSTEAD OF HAVING TO GO THROUGH THAT LONG HARDSHIP PROCESS, IF YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO EXPUNGE THIS $1,400 BILL FOR THIS WOMAN THAT JUST GOT HOUSING. WELL, WE NEED TO KNOW MORE INFORMATION. I HAVE THE BILLS HERE. WELL, WELL, I, I WILL TELL YOU, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T THINK WE'RE LEGALLY ALLOWED TO EXPUNGE THE BILL. YEAH. UH, BUT IF YOU WANT, WE COULD HAVE OUR, UH, STAFF REACH OUT TO YOU AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO MAYBE ASSIST WITH THE HARDSHIP LETTER AND STUFF LIKE THAT. YEAH. 'CAUSE SHE'S WITHOUT, SHE'S MOVED IN, BUT SHE HAS NO WATER. YEAH. WE COULD, WE COULD TRY TO WORK ON WE'LL, WE'LL EXPEDITE THAT. MAKE SURE YOU'LL GET, IF, IF, IF YOU DON'T GET A CALL FROM OUR STAFF TOMORROW, I'LL GIVE YOU A CALL AND WE'LL SEE WHAT WE CAN DO ON THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. YEAH, [00:30:01] I APPRECIATE IT. AND THANKS FOR YOUR ASSISTANCE ON THE COLD WEATHER SHELTER, WHICH IS OH, MY PLEASURE, MAYOR KATE, GO AHEAD. DO I HAVE A QUESTION? THANK, THANK YOU CHRISY, FOR BRINGING THIS INFORMATION AND FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING ON BEHALF OF THE CITY WITH ASSET MAPPING, UH, INITIATIVE ALSO. BUT MAYOR, I DO HAVE A QUESTION OF WHAT KIND OF INFORMATION NEEDS TO BE IN THE HARDSHIP LETTER, JUST SO THAT WE COULD MAYBE, UM, WE'LL LET OUR STAFF ASSIST WITH THAT IF THE RIGHT. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. OKAY. THANK YOU. ONE LAST THING. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. UM, A FEW YEARS AGO, UH, I THINK IT WAS UNDER SHANNON'S, UH, RULE, NOT, UH, JENNY'S, UM, BUT WE, UM, PASSED THAT IT WOULDN'T TAKE 10,000 GALLONS TO IMPLEMENT THIS KIND OF SITUATION. AND SO WE ALL AGREED THAT BECAUSE WE GET 12, 15, 20 OF THESE A MONTH MM-HMM . THAT WE BROUGHT IT DOWN TO ZERO GALLONS. SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT STANDS IN YOUR PARTICULAR, UH, PART, UH, YOU KNOW, PARTICIPATION MM-HMM . UM, BUT I WOULD, I WOULD CHALLENGE THAT. I REALLY WOULD. WELL ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, MR. RUSSO, YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT. WHAT HE TRYING, I RECALL THAT WHAT IT WAS WAS THERE USED TO BE A TRIGGER AT 10,000 GALLONS BEFORE, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD PUT A, A LETTER IN AND A SEWER WOULD BE REMOVED. AND MAYBE, MAYBE WHAT THAT CAN BE REVISITED WOULD DRASTICALLY REDUCE THAT BILL IF WE COULD. AND I WOULD THANK YOU, MAYOR. NO, THANK, I GLAD TO BROUGHT THAT, BROUGHT THAT I ALREADY CHARGED STAFF TO MOVE FORWARD WITH STAFF ON THAT QUESTION, BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYS A LITTLE MUDDY, NO PUN INTENDED. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? I, I DO. I DO. SO YES, I WISH YOU LUCK WITH IT. THANK YOU. AND PLEASE CALL OUT TO US ANYTIME WE CAN HELP. THANK YOU. YEAH, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. OKAY. LOOKING FORWARD TO THE CALL TOMORROW. OKAY. THANK YOU. DAVID CARROLL, FOLLOWED BY RHONDA SILVA. DAVID CARROLL AT 1396 ARNOLD DRIVE. IT'S IN THE LEEWOOD FOUR SUBDIVISION. WE'VE, I'VE CALLED IN SEVERAL TIMES. MY ROAD IS DIRECT ACCESS TO GALLEY BOULEVARD TO LEEWOOD BOULEVARD. THEY LOVE TO USE THAT AS A CUT THROUGH BETWEEN A GALLEY AND CROTON. AND THEY DO NOT KNOW THE SPEED LIMIT, UNFORTUNATELY. LAST SUNDAY, I LEFT MY HOUSE ABOUT 1245. I ARRIVED BACK HOME ABOUT THREE O'CLOCK WITH A DEAD DOG IN MY YARD. OH NO. THE PERSON THAT HIT THE DOG WAS NICE ENOUGH TO PULL IT OFF THE ROAD, BUT LEFT, TURNS OUT, 20, 30 MINUTES AFTER I CALLED MELBOURNE PD FIRST AND THEN ANIMAL CONTROL. ANIMAL CONTROL CAME OUT AND LIKE FIVE MINUTES AFTER THE ANIMAL CONTROL LEFT, THE OWNER FINALLY CAME UP, WHICH IS DIRECTLY FIRST STREET IN OFF OF GALLEY BOULEVARD, RIGHT THERE IN, IN THE CORNER HOUSE. 7-YEAR-OLD GIRL HAD THIS DOG FOR SEVEN YEARS. OH. UM, THEY'D ONLY EVEN LET THEIR KIDS PLAY OUT FRONT BECAUSE OF HOW BAD IT IS. I TOLD TWO SERGEANTS LAST WEEK WHEN I TALKED TO THEM, NEXT TIME YOU GUYS COME OUT, YOU'RE GONNA BE TAKING ME TO JAIL. I'M OVER IT. I'M 54 YEARS OLD, I'M NOT AFRAID. AND I'VE LIVED IN THAT, MY MOM'S LIVED IN THAT HOUSE SINCE 93. I'M A HANDYMAN IN THE, IN THE COUNTY. SO WE'RE JUST OVER IT. WE WANT SPEED BUMPS. WE'VE HAD NO DIRECT PATROL AT ALL. NEVER. THEY'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO PARK IN MY DRIVEWAY. I DON'T CARE. AND THEY DID IT ONE TIME. IT WAS LIKE LAST YEAR OR THE YEAR BEFORE. I CAN'T REMEMBER. I'M JUST OVER IT. AND SO ARE SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS. YEAH. THAT'S ALL I GOTTA SAY. IF YOU GUYS CAN HELP ME OUT, I'D APPRECIATE IT. YOU KNOW, UH, IT'S NOT JUST FOR ME, IT'S FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WELL, THANK YOU MR. CARROLL. AND I, I'M A FIRM BELIEVER. UM, I, I FEEL THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL STREETS IN OUR CITY THAT CAN USE TRAFFIC CALMING DEVICES OR SPEED BUMPS. UM, WE SAW THAT WORK ON PINEAPPLE AND A FEW OTHERS. SO, ZOA ARNOLD, I KNOW A HANDFUL OF, AND I THINK EVERY ONE OF OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS, THEY GOT SEVERAL STREETS IN THEIR, YOU KNOW, UH, OFFSIDE OF, I MEAN, NEAR FLORIDA TECH. I MEAN, LANSING RIDGE HAS THE SPEED BUMPS. WHY CAN'T WE GET SPEED BUMPS IN THERE? WELL, THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK OUR COUNCIL NEED TO SIT AND, AND DISCUSS BECAUSE YOU KNOW, I HEAR, I HEAR THE STORY THAT IT DOES SLOW DOWN FIRST RESPONDERS, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF WE HAVE A SPEED BUMP, MAYBE WE DON'T NEED AS MANY FIRST RESPONDERS TO BE RESPONDING 'CAUSE THEY CAN GO DO THEIR OTHER CALLS. SO I'LL TELL YOU, I HAD SOMETHING, I HAD ONE GUY COME IN OFF A GALLEY BLARING IT. I RAN OUT THERE AND YELLED AT HIM. YEAH. AND THAT AFTERNOON I SEEN HIM COMING OUTTA THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WHEN I WAS COMING HOME. I FOLLOWED HIM. I TOOK A PICTURE OF HIS TAG. I HAD MELTON PD KNOCKING ON MY DOOR AT SIX 30 AT NIGHT ASKING WHAT THE PROBLEM WAS. AND I TOLD HIM EVER SINCE THEN, HE DOESN'T DO IT NO MORE. WELL, I, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA MAKE IT INTO AN AGENDA ITEM THAT WE, WE DISCUSSED THAT ON, ON TRAFFIC CALMING DEVICES AND, AND HAVE OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS SELECT SOME STREAKS IN THEIR, IN THEIR, UH, COUNCIL DISTRICTS. I'M PUTTING THAT ON THE LIST AND SEE WHAT THE, THAT'S GREAT IDEA. I THINK WE REALLY NEED THAT. 'CAUSE AGAIN, [00:35:01] WE, WE HAD AN ISSUE WITH, THEY DON'T SPEED THAT MUCH ON, ON PINEAPPLE ANYMORE. THERE'S A SEVERAL CITIES, AND WHEN YOU GO TO OTHER BEACH CITIES, THEY, THEY'VE INSTALLED 'EM AND THEY WORK, YOU KNOW, SO I, I THINK AT THAT TIME, YEAH. OKAY. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU GUYS. THANK YOU MR. CARROLL. MR. SILVA, OR IS IT RHONDA SILVA, THEN FOLLOWED BY GO AHEAD. THANKS. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND SIT COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS MIRANDA SILVA AND I AM A RESIDENT OF THIS COMMUNITY. I'M HERE TO INVITE THE PUBLIC TO THE BLACK HERITAGE CALENDAR FEST, WHICH IS A LONGSTANDING COMMUNITY CELEBRATION, HONORING BLACK HISTORY, CULTURE, AND CONTRIBUTIONS IN OUR CITY. THE FESTIVAL WAS THE VISION OF BELOVED COMMUNITY ACTIVIST SANDRA PELLUM, A MEMBER OF THE MELBOURNE PALM BAY ALUMNI CHAPTER OF DELTA SIGMA THETA SORORITY INCORPORATED, WHO MORE THAN 20 YEARS AGO, RECOGNIZED THE IMPORTANCE OF CREATING A SPACE WHERE BLACK HISTORY COULD BE CELEBRATED, PRESERVED, AND SHARED THROUGH HER LEADERSHIP AND CONTINUED STEWARDSHIP OF THE CHAPTER. THIS EVENT HAS BECOME A CHERISHED COMMUNITY TRADITION, THIS YEAR'S THEME, HONORING OUR ROOTS, INSPIRING OUR FUTURE, REFLECTS OUR COMMITMENT TO LEGACY AND YOUTH. THE FESTIVAL WILL TAKE PLACE FROM NOON TO 4:00 PM ON SATURDAY, FEBRUARY 21ST AT THE MELBOURNE AUDITORIUM AND FEATURES HISTORICAL DISPLAYS, YOUTH AND CULTURAL PERFORMANCES, MUSIC, ART, AND LOCAL BLACK OWNED BUSINESSES. IT IS INTENTIONALLY FAMILY CENTERED WITH YOUTH AGES 17 AND UNDER ADMITTED FREE WITH A PAID ADULT ADMISSION. SO WHILE THE FESTIVAL CENTERS ON BLACK HISTORY, IT IS TRULY AN EVENT FOR EVERYONE DESIGNED TO BRING TOGETHER PEOPLE OF ALL BACKGROUNDS TO LEARN, CELEBRATE, AND CONNECT THROUGH SHARED HISTORY AND CULTURE. SO WE FORMALLY WOULD LIKE TO INVITE THE COUNCIL, CITY STAFF, AND THE PUBLIC TO ATTEND AND SHARE THIS EVENT WITH YOUR NETWORKS. I HAVE FLYERS AND HANDBILLS, AND ANYONE THAT'S INTERESTED IN MORE INFORMATION CAN VISIT MELBOURNE DELTAS.ORG AND TICKETS ARE AVAILABLE. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR CONTINUED SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. MAYOR, SIR, UH, THANK YOU FOR SHARING THIS INFORMATION. THIS EVENT TRADITIONALLY HAS BEEN IN THE O GALLERY CIVIC CENTER, SO IT HAS GROWN TO THE POINT, THE NOWS THAT THE MELBOURNE, UH, AUDITORIUM. SO THANK YOU TO THE DELTAS FOR CONTINUING TO CONTINUE TO SHARE THIS WITH THE COMMUNITY. SO MAYOR, MAY I ASK THAT YOU EMAIL THAT TO EACH AND ONE OF EACH ONE OF US? OH, HAPPY TO. I CAN'T REMEMBER THE LINKS, YOU KNOW, SO OKAY. HAPPY THAT WE'LL GET 14 MORE LINKS THIS EVENING. OKAY, NO WORRIES AT ALL. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. JOE ELLI, I BELIEVE IT. IS THAT CORRECT? ALMOST? IT'S, UH, CHOW DELI. CHOW DELI. YOU CAN THINK OF IT. CHOW AS A, OKAY, I SEE THAT CHOW. OKAY. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. I DIDN'T GET THAT FROM THIS MORNING. ALL RIGHT, GOOD. AND, UH, AND, AND THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO INTRODUCE MYSELF. I'M BRAND NEW TO, TO MELBOURNE, AND, UH, I OWN AND OPERATE A ELECTROMAGNETIC, UH, CORPORATION CALLED RAYLE. AND WE SPECIALIZE IN, UH, HOLOGRAMS. AND, UH, WE ARE, UH, UH, WE'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR 32 YEARS. WE HAVE A VERY STRONG, UH, INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY, UH, PORTFOLIO. AND, UH, WE'VE BEEN OPERATING IN CONNECTICUT, BUT WE ARE NOW EXPANDING INTO FLORIDA. AND, UH, WE BOUGHT THE, UH, THE LARGE, UH, TWO-TONE GRAY BUILDING BY, UH, ON 4 0 4 EAST NEW HAVEN AVENUE. AND, UH, WE'RE HAVING OUR PUBLIC, UM, OPENING ON FEBRUARY 24TH. I WAS, UH, I WAS AT THE, UH, SMALL BUSINESS ROUND TABLE THIS MORNING. AND, UH, I HEARD MANY, UM, UH, BUSINESSES SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD HAVE MORE FAMILY FRIENDLY, UM, FAMILY FRIENDLY, UH, UH, FESTIVAL TYPE EVENTS. WELL, WE HAVE ONE TWO WEEKS FROM TODAY, FEBRUARY 24TH. IT STARTS, UH, IT'S A TUESDAY, STARTS AT 9:00 AM AND UH, IT'LL BE A DAY THAT CONVERGES HOLOGRAPHIC, UH, LASER VIDEO AND AUDIO TECHNOLOGY. THERE'LL BE SIX NATIONALLY TOURING LIVE BANDS, AND IT IS FREE, AND IT IS FREE AND OPEN TO ALL AGES. IT'S, UM, IT'S FREE FAMILY FRIENDLY, FASCINATING FUN. AND I, UH, INVITE AND ENCOURAGE YOU TO ATTEND. UH, I HAVE SOME, UH, POSTCARDS THAT I'LL, I'LL LEAVE. AND, UM, I ALSO, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO, UM, UH, IF, UH, MR. MAYOR OR ANY OF THE COUNCIL, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A, A SHORT SPEECH DURING OUR PRESENTATION HOUR FOR, UH, BETWEEN 11 AND 12, WE INVITE AND ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO SO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. [00:40:01] GO AHEAD, SIR. UH, JOE, THANK YOU FOR COMING BACK. HE WAS AT THE MEETING THIS MORNING. WE HAD THE SMALL, UH, BUSINESS, UH, INITIATIVE THIS MORNING. AND HE, HE MENTIONED THIS TO US, BUT I CAN TELL YOU WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FLYER, HE IS GOT BANDS LIKE BOB ICE AND BIG DADDY. I MEAN, IT'S REALLY, LIKE I SAID, IT'S NATIONAL GROUP. SO, UH, THANK YOU FOR, FOR BRINGING YOUR BUSINESS, UH, HERE TO MELBOURNE AND, UH, AND FOR SHARING THIS WITH US. UH, BUT WE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S REALLY IT. YEAH. WHAT WAS THE ADDRESS AGAIN? YEAH KNOW, RIGHT? 4 0 4 EAST NEW HAVEN AVENUE. WE'RE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM, UH, TACO DIVE. OH, THAT MUSTARDS. RIGHT. AND, UH, FROM MUSTARDS. YEAH. AND FROM MUSTARDS AND ACROSS THE STREET FROM MUSTARDS. AND, UH, BUT RAY, THAT WILL BE A WORLD CLASS HOLOGRAPHIC RESEARCH DEVELOPMENT AND PRODUCTION FACILITY, BUT WE WILL ALSO HAVE ONE OF THE LARGEST, UH, MUSEUM COLLECTION OF, OF MUSEUM FINE ART, UH, HOLOGRAMS. AND SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GREAT FOR THE WHOLE FAMILY, SO. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE NO OTHER PUBLIC SPEAKERS. ANYBODY ELSE? ALL RIGHT. WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. WE'RE GONNA MOVE INTO [8. Ordinance No. 2026-01, Administrative Final Plat Approval: (Second Reading/Public Hearing) An ordinance amending the City Code of Melbourne, Chapter 2, Administration; Appendix B, Section 4, Planned Unit Development (PUD); and Appendix D, Chapter 8, Subdivision Code, to address recent State of Florida legislative changes (F.S.177.073) to provide administrative approval of final plats. (Applicant - City of Melbourne) (First Reading - 1/13/2026)] ITEM EIGHT, UNFINISHED BUSINESS. IT'LL BE ORDERED 20 26 0 1. UH, MR. CONLEY. THANK YOU, MAYOR. AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, RELATING TO ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL OF FINAL PLATS MAKING FINDINGS. AMENDING CHAPTER TWO OF THE CITY CODE ENTITLED ADMINISTRATION AMENDING SECTION TWO DASH 3 29 AUTHORITY AND DUTIES OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD AMENDING APPENDIX B OF THE CITY CODE ENTITLED ZONING AMENDING ARTICLE NINE, ZONING APPLICATIONS AND PROCEDURES, AMENDING APPENDIX D OF THE CITY CODE ENTITLED LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDING CHAPTER EIGHT, SUBDIVISION CODE PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND INTERPRETATION, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND PROVIDING AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE. THANK YOU. REPORT ON THIS WITH MS. CINDY DIPPER. UH, YES, MAYOR AND COUNSEL. GOOD EVENING. UM, THIS IS A SECOND READING OF THIS ORDINANCE. UM, HOWEVER, I DID JUST WANNA REMIND COUNSEL BACK AT THE JANUARY 13TH MEETING, UM, THAT THERE WAS ONE CHANGE THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY PROPOSED. UM, AT THE END OF OUR DISCUSSION, COUNSEL, UM, UH, GAVE CONSENSUS TO ADD THE LANGUAGE INTO THE ORDINANCE THAT WOULD ALSO, UM, FURTHER NOTE THAT THE ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL OF THE CITY, THE CITY MANAGER, UM, HAS THE AUTHORITY TO SIGN ALL OF THE FINAL PLAT REQUIRED DOCUMENTS, NOT JUST THE FINAL PLAT. SO JUST BRINGING THAT BACK TO YOUR ATTENTION. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. DIMMER? NO. OKAY. UH, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. WE HAVE ANY SIGNUP SHEET? NO SIGNUP SHEET. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. BRING HIM BACK TO COUNCIL MAYOR SPENCER, MOVE FOR APPROVAL. ORDINANCE NUMBER 2026 DASH OH ONE BASED UPON THE FINDINGS CONTAINED IN THE PLAN AND HIS ZONING BOARD. MEMORANDUM SECOND. AND WE HAVE A MOTION BY MR. SMITH, SECOND BY MS. BASSETT. A ROLL CALL VOTE ON COUNCIL MEMBER LARUSSO AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER NEWMAN AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER BASSETT AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER HANLEY AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH. AYE. VICE MAYOR KENNEDY. AYE. MAYOR ALFRE, I VOTE. AYE, THAT MOTION PASSES. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER NINE, [9. Ordinance No. 2026-02, Public Participation: (Second Reading/Public Hearing) An ordinance amending Chapter 2, Article II, Melbourne Code of Ordinances regarding public participation and standards of decorum at City Council meetings. (First Reading - 1/13/2026)] ORDER 20 26 0 2. MR. CONNICK. THANK YOU, MAYOR. AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA RELATING TO PUBLIC PARTICIPATION IN STANDARDS OF DECORUM DURING CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS, MAKING FINDINGS AMENDING CHAPTER TWO OF THE CITY CODE ENTITLED ADMINISTRATION AMENDING SECTION TWO DASH 29 ORDER OF BUSINESS AMENDING SECTION TWO DASH 32, ADDRESSING THE CITY COUNCIL TIME LIMIT AMENDING SECTION TWO DASH 36, STANDARDS OF DECORUM, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND INTERPRETATION, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE, AND PROVIDING AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE. I'M REPORTING ON THIS ITEM. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD FOR SECOND READING. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. CONLEY? I SEE NO QUESTIONS. PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE ANY SIGNUP SHEET? ALL RIGHT, THEN I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO COUNSEL. MAYOR, MOVE FOR APPROVAL. ORDINANCE NUMBER 20 26 0 2. AND I'LL SECOND THAT WE HAVE A MOTION. I'LL SECOND. ROLL CALL. VOTE ON NINE, PLEASE. COUNCIL MEMBER LARUSSO AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER NEWMAN AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER BASSETT AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER HANLEY AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH. AYE. VICE MAYOR KENNEDY. AYE. MAYOR RE AND I VOTE. AYE I. MOTION PASSES. UH, MOVING ON. [10. Work Order No. 11 to the Storm Drain Cleaning, Repairs and Maintenance contract for cleaning and video inspection of varying pipe sizes associated with the Roadway Resurfacing Program, Project No. 68024, Shenandoah General Construction, LLC, Pompano Beach, FL - $440,000.] ITEM NUMBER 10. REPORTING ON THIS IS, UH, MR. RENICK. AYE. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL, THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 10. THIS IS FOR WORK ORDER NUMBER 11 TO THE ANNUAL RESURFACING PROGRAM FOR PIPE INSPECTIONS OF VARIOUS PIPE SIZES. SHENANDOAH GENERAL CONSTRUCTION, LLC FOR ROADWAY SCHEDULE TO BE RESURFACED AS PART OF THE RESURFACING PROGRAM. WE PERFORM PIPE INSPECTIONS PRIOR TO RESURFACING TO ENSURE THAT, UH, THE CULVERTS ARE REPAIRED BEFORE WE DO THE RESURFACING. THIS IS TO ENSURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE ROADWAY FAILURES AND HAVE TO TEAR UP GOOD ROAD THAT WE JUST REPAVED. UM, DUE TO AGING STORMWATER PIPES WITHIN THE CITY, UH, WE BASICALLY TAKE A LOOK AT THE PIPES, MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE, UH, EITHER IN ADEQUATE CONDITION OR IF REPAIRS NEED TO BE MADE. UM, THIS WORK ORDER WILL BE, UH, PROVIDING FOR THE INSPECTION OF APPROXIMATELY 23,000 LINEAR FOOT OF PIPE, UH, IN ADVANCE OF OUR NEXT ROUND OF, UH, PAVING THAT'LL BE RELEASED TO THE CONTRACTOR. UH, ONCE WE'VE RECEIVED THE PIPE INSPECTION VIDEO FROM THIS AND MADE A DETERMINATION ON WHAT REPAIRS NEED WILL BE MADE, WE'LL BE BRINGING BACK A, UH, WORK ORDER TO COUNSEL, UH, FOR REPAIRS, AT WHICH POINT, UM, REPAIRS WILL BE MADE. AND THEN WE'LL PROCEED WITH, UH, RESURFACING. UH, THERE IS A, UH, SUBSTANTIAL [00:45:01] LIST OF, UH, ROADWAYS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THIS INSPECTION. UM, UM, PACKAGE. UH, SO, UH, THE FUNDING IS AVAILABLE IN THE FISCAL YEAR 2024 RESURFACING PROGRAM BUDGET PROJECT NUMBER 6 8 0 2 4. WE'RE REQUESTING APPROVAL OF WORK ORDER NUMBER 11 TO THE STREAM STORM DRAIN CLEANING REPAIRS, MAINTENANCE CONTRACT WITH SHENANDOAH GENERAL CONSTRUCTION OF POMPANO BEACH, FLORIDA IN THE MOUNTAIN NOT TO EXCEED 440,000. AND, UH, JUSTICE, COULD YOU PULL THE, UH, WE'VE GOT A, AN EXHIBIT THAT SHOWS THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF THE PIPES, BOTH, UH, MELBOURNE SPLIT UP NORTH AND SOUTH. UH, JUST TO KIND OF GIVE COUNSEL AN IDEA OF WHERE, UH, THESE PARTICULAR, UH, REPAIRS ARE GONNA BE MADE ALL OVER THE CITY. HMM. THEY WERE IN THE PACKAGE, SO YEAH, WE WE'VE LOOKED AT IT THROUGH THE PACKAGE. YEAH, THEY'VE BEEN IN THE PACKAGE AS WELL. IF YOU CAN'T PULL UP, SO YOU DON'T NEED TO PULL UP IF IT DOESN'T OKAY. IT'S NOT EASY TO DO. YEAH. ANYBODY WANNA SEE 'EM AGAIN OR THEY'RE IN YOUR PACKET, ? NO. AND WE'RE GOOD. THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT PRETTY. ALL RIGHT, WELL THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. ALRIGHT, ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. ERNEST? OKAY. DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR TIM MAYOR? PRESENT WORK ORDER NUMBER 11 TO THE STORM, STORM DRAIN CLEANING, REPAIR, MAINTENANCE CONTRACT WITH THE SHENANDOAH GENERAL CON, GENERAL CONSTRUCTION LLC, POMPANO BEACH, FLORIDA IN THE AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $440,000. SECOND WE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE. AYE. NOW MOTION PASSES. MOVING ON. [11. Ordinance No. 2026-03, Council Districts: (First Reading) An ordinance amending the City Code, Chapter 22, Elections, by altering the maps of Melbourne City Council Districts Two, Five, and Six, to include annexation ordinances adopted during the 2025 calendar year.] ITEM NUMBER 11, ORDINANCE 20 26 0 3. UH, MR. CON, THANK YOU MAYOR. AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, RELATING TO APPORTIONMENT OF CITY COUNCIL DISTRICTS MAKING FINDINGS AMENDING CHAPTER 22 OF THE CITY CODE ENTITLED ELECTIONS, ADOPTING NEW MAPS AMENDING THE BOUNDARIES OF CITY COUNCIL DISTRICTS TWO, FIVE AND SIX, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND INTERPRETATION, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND PROVIDING AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE. OKAY. REPORT ON THIS IS JUSTICE REPORT ON THIS. YES, SIR. GOOD EVENING. JUSTICE STEVENS, ASSISTANT CITY CLERK. UM, ANNUALLY IT IS REQUIRED BY CITY CODE TO AMEND THE BOUNDARY MAPS OF THE CITY COUNCIL DISTRICTS DURING CALENDAR YEAR 2025 FOR ANNEXATION ORDINANCES WERE ADOPTED, THAT AFFECTED DISTRICTS TWO, FIVE, AND SIX. THE ORDINANCE BEFORE YOU RECOGNIZES THOSE ANNEXATION ORDINANCES AND AMENDS THE MAPS OF THESE DISTRICTS. THE REQUEST OF ACTION FOR THE ITEM IS FOR THE APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 20 20 26 0 3 AND I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS OR FOR JUSTICE? NOPE. OKAY. UH, DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THIS? MAYOR, UH, GO AHEAD MR. LEWIS. APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 2026 DASH OH THREE SECOND. OKAY. A MOTION BY MR. RUSO, SECOND BY MS. BASSETT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE. AYE. AND 11 PASSES. MOVING ON. ITEM [12. Task Order No. DRMP-I-2025-003 to the Continuing Contract for Engineering Services for the Riverview Park Baffle Box, Project No. 20324, DRMP, Inc., Merritt Island, FL - $126,558.] NUMBER 12, UH, REPORTING ON THIS WILL BE, UH, ENGINEERING. HELLO? YES, IT'S DANNY IS COMING UP HERE. I HAVE ASKED FOR, UM, DANNY STRUB, OUR ASSISTANT CITY ENGINEER TO GIVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION ABOUT BAFFLE BOXES. I FIGURED SINCE WE HAD FOUR AGENDA ITEMS ON BAFFLE BOXES, I KNOW THAT SOME OF YOU HERE ON COUNCIL HAVE NOT HEARD THE PREVIOUS, PREVIOUS PRESENTATION. AND THIS PRESENTATION IS VERY SIMILAR TO ONE THAT, UM, MRS. STRUB DID ON TO THE SOL COMMITTEE. PERFECT. HELLO? HELLO AGAIN. I'M DANNY STRUB, ASSISTANT CITY ENGINEER, AND WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT BAFFLE BOXES, SMALL BOX, BIG IMPACT AND BAFFLE BOXES IN, IN ACTION. THIS IS A PICTURE OF ONE OF OUR MODERN BAFFLE BOXES BEFORE IT'S PLACED INTO THE GROUND. UM, THOSE BOXES ARE MADE UP OF FOUR CHAMBERS, THREE CATCH SEDIMENT. THE LAST CHAMBER HAS A MEDIA IN IT THAT ALLOWS IT FOR, TO REMOVE NITROGEN AND PHOSPHORUS FROM THE WATER COLUMN. AND THEN THE SKIMMER IN THE MIDDLE SECTION. IT'S A BIG STAINLESS STEEL BOX THAT CATCHES TRASH. WE, UH, POPULATION OF MELBOURNE, I HAVE TO REMEMBER, I APOLOGIZE. THIS IS ABOUT A PRESENTATION TO PEOPLE THAT DON'T KNOW ABOUT MELBOURNE. UM, OUR UTILITY RATE IS $44, UM, PER ERU AND A ERU REPRESENTS 2,500 SQUARE FEET OF SOLID IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, EITHER ON A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE, A COMMERCIAL PROJECT, OR ANYWHERE IN THE CITY. UM, LAST YEAR'S REVENUE WAS ABOUT $3 MILLION FROM OUR, UM, UTILITY. AGAIN, THESE ARE OUR BAFFLE BOXES. THE INTERNALS, UM, THEY'RE IMPORTANT IN THE SENSE THAT THEY CATCH ALL THE DEBRIS THAT ENDS UP TO KEEP IT FROM ENDING UP IN THE, UH, LAGOON. SO THE STAINLESS STEEL BOXES IN THE TOP ARE CLEANED OUT MONTHLY. UM, THE SEDIMENT TRAPS AS NECESSARY, AND THEN THEY'RE JUST SORT OF LEFT TO DO THEIR OWN THING. THAT DOESN'T INVOLVE US HAVING TO GO OUT AND MOVE STUFF AROUND AND DO PARTS AND PIECES. IT'S A PRETTY, PRETTY EASY PART FOR US TO BE ABLE TO USE THESE. WE HAVE, HMM, THIS IS JENNY'S NUMBER. JENNY SAYS WE HAVE 17 OF THESE BOXES IN PLACE. UM, HOWEVER, I BELIEVE THERE ARE 16. THERE'S A SET OF BOXES OVER OFF OF BELL STREET. UM, THEY'RE ADJACENT TO EACH OTHER LIKE THIS. THEY'RE [00:50:01] NOT ON TOP OF EACH OTHER LIKE THE REST OF OUR BOXES. AND SO THOSE GET COUNTED AS 17 BOXES FOR THE CITY MANAGER AND 16 FOR THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. . UM, WE, THEY ARE TECHNICALLY TWO BOXES. THEY'RE TECHNICALLY TWO BOXES, UM, BUT THEY'RE AT ONE LOCATION. SO, UM, AS YOU CAN TELL, WE'VE GOT SEVERAL IN THE GROUND. UM, WE, UH, HAVE SOME OLDER BOXES THAT WE HAVE RETROFITTED, SO THEY NOW WORK BETTER THAN THEY DID WHEN THEY WERE INSTALLED. AND THEN WE HAVE HAVE ALL THE NEW MODERN BOXES THAT WE STARTED OUR INSTALLATION BACK IN 2015. UM, WE HAVE GOTTEN QUITE A BIT OF GRANT FUNDING FOR THESE BOXES OVER THE YEARS. UM, WE'VE GOTTEN QUITE A BIT OF, UM, DEP AND ST. JOHN'S FUNDING AND SOL FUNDING. UM, A BIG CHUNK OF OUR FUNDING IN THE LAST 10 YEARS HAVE BEEN FROM SOIL FUNDING. THEY'VE HELPED, UM, COVER, UH, 23% OF OUR CONSTRUCTION COST. UM, WITHOUT THAT FUNDING, WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DO THESE BOXES AS QUICKLY AS WE NEED TO. UM, WE ARE UNDER AN OBLIGATION BY THE STATE TO, UH, REMOVE NITROGEN AND PHOSPHORUS FROM THE LAGOON. AND AS PART OF THIS PROGRAM, IT'S REALLY MET STARTING TO MEET OUR CRITERIA THAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO. UM, THERE ARE SEVERAL PICTURES AND VIDEOS COMING UP. I'M JUST GONNA KIND OF SCROLL THROUGH THEM. THIS IS A, A BOXES, IT'S OCCURRING ON SITE, I BELIEVE THIS ONE'S THRUSH IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY. UM, THEY'RE LARGE SEGMENTED BOXES THAT COME IN ON BIG TRUCKS. UM, WE LOOK FOR LOCATIONS WITHIN, UM, PROPERTY. THE CITY ALREADY OWNS EITHER IN A PIPE SYSTEM OR IN A CANAL DITCH SYSTEM THAT ALLOWS US TO PLACE THOSE BOXES THERE. UM, THEY, UH, TAKE SEVERAL DAYS TO INSTALL, UM, BUT THEY COME IN MULTIPLE PIECES. SO PART OF OUR PART USE OF THESE BOXES HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE MANUFACTURER ON HOW TO GET THEM HERE. UM, THEY USED TO BE JUST ONE PIECE. WELL NOW THEY'RE 19 PIECES AND THEY ALL HAVE TO FIT ON A TRUCK AND THEY HAVE TO GET DELIVERED HERE. SO WE TRY TO WORK REALLY WELL WITH THEM ON HOW TO GET THE PIECES BROKEN DOWN AT A SIZE THAT ALLOWS US TO INSTALL THEM, BUT STILL BE ABLE TO GET THEM TO OUR SITES. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE INTERNAL PIECES GOING IN. THEY HAVE TO GO IN BEFORE THE TOPS GO IN BECAUSE THE BASKET SIZES ARE SO LARGE. UM, THIS IS A VIDEO THAT ONE OF OUR CONTRACTORS, UM, SUPPLIED TO US, UM, FOR WHEN THEY WERE SETTING THE THRESH BOX. UM, JUST HAVING PEOPLE STANDING ON THE BOX. YOU CAN REALIZE HOW BIG ONE OF THESE BOXES ARE. AND TO BE TRUTHFUL, THIS ISN'T A BIG BOX. THIS IS, THIS IS A MEDIUM SIZED BOX FOR US. UM, WE HAVE BIGGER BOXES THAN THIS, UM, ON SITE. SO IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT, UM, WE LOOK FOR LOCATIONS THAT MAKE SENSE FOR US THAT PROVIDE FOR THE LARGEST BASIN POSSIBLE, BUT WE ALSO DESIGN THEM IN A MANNER SO THEY DON'T CAUSE FLOODING UPSTREAM. THAT'S THE POINT. IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT A GADGET IN A WATERWAY, WE DON'T WANNA CAUSE FLOODING UPSTREAM. WHERE'S THIS LOCATION AGAIN? THIS IS OFF OF THRUSH. IT'S JUST EAST OF THRUSH. YEAH, OFF OF PARKWAY. MM-HMM . YEAH. UM, THERE'S ANOTHER VIDEO OF IT. IT, IT'S NOT LITTLE. UM, SO OUR MAINTENANCE CREWS AT OUR STREETS AND STORMWATER TAKE CARE OF ALL OF OUR BOXES. UM, WE'VE PROVIDED TRAINING FOR THEM, UM, OVER THE YEARS WITH BOTH, UM, IN THE FIELD TRAINING AND IN THE, UM, OFFICE TRAINING TO MAKE SURE THEY UNDERSTAND HOW THE PARTS AND PIECES WORK AND WHAT HAS TO BE MAINTAINED. UM, WE ALSO SCHEDULE A MONTHLY INSPECTION AND BEFORE AND AFTER MAJOR STORM EVENTS, UM, WE HAVE ON MORE THAN ONE OCCASION AFTER A STORM EVENT GONE OUT AND REALIZED THE, THE STAINLESS STEEL BOXES, BOXES ON THE INSIDE OF THOSE ARE COMPLETELY IMPACTED WITH MATERIAL. SO WE GO OUT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE TO GET THOSE CLEANED OUT, UM, TO ENSURE AGAIN, NO FLOODING. WE CREATED FORMS AND INSPECTION DEVICES FOR THE STAFF TO USE. UM, THEY FILL THEM OUT, THEY SEND 'EM OVER TO OUR DEPARTMENT. WE KEEP TRACK OF THAT INFORMATION, THAT INFORMATION IS USED TO HELP, UH, MEET OUR REQUIREMENTS FOR OUR, UH, BASIN MANAGEMENT ACTION PLAN AND FOR OUR NPDS PERMIT. UM, WE, I GOT A QUESTION. WE CATCH ALL SORTS OF WEIRD STUFF. YES MA'AM. WAIT, GO AHEAD. IS IT WHEN WE SAY ALLIGATOR? YES, MA'AM. OKAY. YES MA'AM. HOLD THAT THOUGHT. HOLD THAT THOUGHT. SO THIS IS, UM, PICTURES OF WHAT'S FOUND IN OUR BOXES. WE FIND AN UNUSUAL AMOUNT OF ALL SORTS OF GOOD STUFF. WE FIND BALLS AND LEAF DEBRIS AND PLASTIC CUPS AND STRAWS AND TENNIS SHOES. I CANNOT BELIEVE THE AMOUNT OF TENNIS SHOES THAT WE FIND IN THESE BOXES. IT'S UNUSUAL. UM, WE'VE ALSO FOUND PROPANE TANKS, UM, AND VERY LARGE TREES. WE FOUND A 10 INCH PALM TREE THAT HAVE WASHED DOWN A CANAL SECTION AND ENDED UP IN OUR BOXES AND IT WAS ALL JAMMED UP. WE HAD TO TAKE A CHAINSAW TO IT. MAYOR. SO DAN, DANNY QUESTION, SO I KNOW YOU MAY GET TO IT, BUT, SO THEN HOW DO WE CLEAN UP THE BAFFLE BOX? I'LL SHOW YOU. OKAY. YEAH. SO, UM, THE UPPER, HOLD ON, HOLD ON. THE UPPER PICTURE HAS A BOX BEFORE IT WAS CLEANED AND THE LOWER PICTURES, THAT SAME BOX AFTER IT'S BEEN CLEANED. SO YOU CAN SEE ALL THE DEBRIS THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO PULL OUT OF THAT. UM, WE ALSO CATCH A LOT OF, UM, LEAF DEBRIS. UM, IT'S AMAZING THE AMOUNT OF GRASS CLIPPINGS AND DEAD LEAVES. AND I'M SURE AFTER THIS BIG FROST THAT WE'VE JUST HAD, WE WILL SEE AN ABUNDANCE OF EXTRA VEGETATION THAT WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP OUT OF THE WATER COLUMN. THE INTENT IS IT GETS CATCHED IN THE BASKET AND HELD UP OUTTA [00:55:01] THE WATER WHEN IT'S A LOW WATER SYSTEM, UH, LOW WATER TIME. SO IT PREVENTS THE MATERIAL FROM DETERIORATING IN THE WATER AND THEN RELEASING THE NITROGEN AND PHOSPHORUS BACK INTO THE WATER COLUMN. THAT'S SOME OF OUR TRASH. OH GOD. THAT CAME OUTTA ONE HALF OF A BAFFLE BOX. UM, AND IT WAS ONLY A MONTH AFTER WE HAD CLEANED IT THE FIRST TIME OR PREVIOUSLY. OH. LOT OF TRASH WOULD'VE GONE TO THE LAGOON. I'M SORRY. WOULD'VE GONE, IT WOULD'VE GONE TO THE LAGO. GREAT POINT. MM-HMM . AND IT'S ALL GOING INTO THE LAGOON. WHERE'S IT GOING NOW? UM, NOW IT GOES TO THE DUMP, IT GOES TO TRASH. WE GET RID OF IT. WHERE'S IT SUPPOSED TO BE? UM, UH, WE, UH, HAVE ALL SORTS OF INTERESTING THINGS IN OUR BOXES, INCLUDING AN ALLIGATOR. AH, THE BELL BOXES ARE NOTORIOUS FOR GATORS. WE WENT SEVERAL SEASONS IN A ROW WHERE WE HAD BABY GATORS IN OUR BOXES. UM, OBVIOUSLY THERE WAS A MOTHER SOMEWHERE THAT LIKED TO NEST. IT PROVIDED CLEAN WATER WITH LOTS OF LITTLE FISHES IN IT FOR THEM TO EAT. AND SO THEY USED THOSE LOCATIONS, BUT THEN THEY MOVED ON. THANKFULLY WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY ISSUES OF ANYBODY GETTING STUCK IN THEM. OKAY. LOOK, AS LONG AS IT'S NOT A MANATEE LIKE THEY HAD AT MELBOURNE BEACH. NO SIR. NO SIR. UM, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THIS IS. SO THAT IS MORE VEGETATION THAT'S BEEN STUFFED DOWN IN ONE OF THE BOXES BECAUSE OF A RAINFALL EVENT. UM, THAT'S DIRTY VERSUS CLEAN. UM, THIS IS A VIDEO OF OUR GUYS CLEANING OUR BAFFLE BOXES. THIS IS ACTUALLY THE BELL BOXES THAT WE NOTORIOUSLY LIKE TALK TO THE, THE LIDS DON'T SIT NEXT TO EACH OTHER, SO IT'S WHY WE CALL 'EM, SHE CALLS 'EM TWO BOXES. SO OUR CREWS GO OUT WITH A VAC TRUCK AND THEY BASICALLY VACUUM THE BOXES OUT. UM, THEY COLLECT ALL THE DEBRIS OUTTA THE BOTTOM OF THE BOXES, UM, TO ALLOW FOR THAT TO GO INTO THE BACK TRUCK. IT'S THEN DECANTED AND THE SOLIDS ARE THEN SENT OUT TO THE DUMP. UM, EACH AND ONE OF THESE BASKETS, UM, CONTAINS, DEPENDING UPON THE SIZE OF THE BOX, UM, HALF THE VOLUME OF THE CONCRETE BOX ITSELF. AND THEN THERE'S THE RED BOOM ON THE END, WHICH FLOATS. SO DEPENDING UPON HOW MUCH RAINFALL WE'VE HAD, IT MOVES UP AND DOWN TO PREVENT FLOODING DOWNSTREAM, BUT IT ALSO CATCHES ALL THE STUFF THAT DOESN'T GET INTO THE BOX. THE BASKETS. UM, THERE'S THE GUYS CLEANING AND THEN SO, UM, AGAIN, THE BABEL BOX IS SITTING OUT. THIS WAS OUT AT SHERWOOD, SITTING OUT THERE, UM, BEING CLEANED. UM, SO THINGS WE'VE LEARNED AFTER OUR FIRST BOX, OUR FIRST BOX WENT IN IN THE SPRING OF 2015. UM, THAT IS ACTUALLY HATCHES FROM OUR FIRST BOX. WE LEARNED THAT WE DO NOT LIKE ROUND HATCHES. IT'S VERY DIFFICULT IF YOU THINK ABOUT VACUUMING WITH A STRAW AND A 24 INCH HOLE AND YOU'RE TRYING TO GET A BASKET THAT'S FIVE FEET LONG, IT'S KIND, YOU KNOW, CAN'T GET IT ALL. UM, SO WE LEARNED VERY EARLY ON IN THE PROCESS THAT WE DID NOT LIKE THOSE ROUND HATCHES. AND SO I WORKED WITH THE MANUFACTURER TO SEE IF THERE WAS SOME OTHER METHOD THAT WE COULD COME UP WITH. AND WE CAME UP WITH SQUARE HATCHES. UM, THE VENDOR FOR MANY YEARS WHEN, UM, THEY WERE AT PRESENTATIONS AND SOMEBODY SAID, HEY, WHAT KIND OF HATCHES DOES, DOES MELBOURNE HAVE? THEY GO, OH, THEY HAVE DANNY HATCHES. UM, I KIND OF GOT COINS FOR THE HATCH. UH, UH, FOR THESE BOXES. THEY'RE TRAFFIC RATED SO THAT, UM, FP AND L CAN DRIVE OVER THEM AND WE WON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THEM FALLING INTO A BOX. THAT WAS ONE OF OUR CONCERNS. THE OTHER THING IS THEY'RE HYDRAULICALLY, UM, SPRUNG SO THAT WHEN YOU GO TO OPEN THEM, ANYONE CAN OPEN THEM. THAT WAS OUR CONCERN. WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IF AFTER A STORM EVENT WE NEEDED TO SEND JUST ABOUT ANYBODY TO GO OPEN THEM, WE COULD GET THE BOXES OPEN TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON INSIDE THEM. THE OTHER THING THAT WE LEARNED, YOU NOTICE THOSE TWO PICTURES ARE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT IS THAT WE PREFER THE CONCRETE POURED AROUND THE TOP OF THE HATCHES VERSUS JUST A GRASS AREA. THE, UH, CLEANING CREWS ARE LIKE, IT'S A LITTLE BUMPY. IT'S HARD TO KEEP LEVEL, IT'S A LITTLE UNSAFE ON OUR FEET, SO WE'VE NOW GONE TO A SOLID TOPS VERSUS THE HATCHES JUST STICKING UP OUT INTO THE GRASS. OKAY. UM, SPEAKING OF MANATEES, THAT TOP PICTURE SHOWS, UH, A, UM, MI INSECTION THAT HAS WHAT WE CALL AS MANATEE GRATES ON THEM. UM, THERE'S NO MANATEES WHERE THIS BOX LOCATION, I PROMISE. UM, BUT THE OTHER THING THAT IT DOES, IT DOES CATCH A LOT OF THE VEGETATION, WHICH IS GOOD AND BAD. IT'S GOOD BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN THE BOX, SO IT MAKES IT EASIER TO CLEAN. IT'S BAD 'CAUSE IT'S HARDER TO GET TO. 'CAUSE YOU'VE GOT TO SEND A MAN DOWN THE RUBBLE TO GET TO IT, UM, TO COLLECT IT AND THEN BRING IT BACK OUT SO IT'S CLEANED. SO IT'S, IT'S GOT DISADVANTAGES, BUT IT'S DISADVANTAGES. WE ALSO HAVE OUR OBSERVATION BOX LID OVER ON THE SHERWOOD, WHICH WE HAVE A LOVE HATE RELATIONSHIP WITH. UM, THE OPENING IS EXTREMELY LARGE AND SO PUTTING OUR CORRECT SAFETY EQUIPMENT OVER IT TO ALLOW FOR COMBINED ENTRY IS DIFFICULT BECAUSE OF THE HATCH SIZE AND THE WHOLE OPENING. SO WE'VE HAD TO WORK THROUGH HOW TO, HOW TO HANDLE THAT WITH WHAT OF OUR PARTS AND PIECES. UM, ADDITIONALLY, UM, THERE WAS A, A INTENT TO BE ABLE TO WATCH THE WATER GO THROUGH THE BOX, BUT IF YOU GO OUT ON A HOT STEAMY DAY AND [01:00:01] THERE'S WATER FLOWING THROUGH IT AND THERE'S SUNSHINE COMING ON THE TOP OF IT, IT STEAMS OVER AND YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE THROUGH THE WINDOWS. SO IT KIND OF DEFEATS THE PURPOSE OF BEING ABLE TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON ON THE INSIDE. UM, THE OTHER THING THAT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH WITH THE, THE DEVELOPER OF THESE BOXES AND HAVE BEEN FOR MANY YEARS, IS THEY HAVE TO STICK THIS LITTLE TINY POLE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE TOP OF IT TO BE ABLE TO UNLOCK THE PANELS THAT OPEN THE BASKETS AND THEN THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO OPEN THEM. UM, THERE'S A HOOK ON THE TOP OF THOSE, BUT THEY DON'T EVEN USE THE HOOK ANYMORE. THEY JUST USE THE, THE HOOK PORTION OF THE POLE TO PULL THEM OPEN TO BE ABLE TO GET THEM IN AND OUT OF, AS OUR BOXES ARE GETTING DEEPER AND DEEPER, WE'RE HAVING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THOSE BOXES AND HOW TO BE ABLE TO OPEN AND CLOSE THOSE APPROPRIATELY. SO, UM, THERE ARE A FEW THINGS WE'RE GONNA NEED IN THE FUTURE. UM, WE'RE GONNA NEED, UM, THE MOST, UM, CRITICAL ONE'S GONNA BE A NEW VAC TRUCK IN THE FUTURE. SO OUR NEWER BAFFLE BOXES ARE PUSHING THAT 30 FOOT DEPTH ON THESE BOXES AND OUR VAC TRUCKS JUST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH VACUUM TO BE ABLE TO SUCK THOSE CLAIMS. WE'RE WORKING ON SOME, UM, UH, OTHER BOXES THAT HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO BE AS BIG OR BIGGER AS THOSE BOXES AS WE'RE CONTINUING TO MOVE THROUGH THE PROCESS. AND SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO START LOOKING ON HOW WE'RE GONNA FUND AND PURCHASE A NEW BACKDROP AND WHAT KIND OF BACKDROP WE'RE GONNA NEED BECAUSE MAINTENANCE IS SUPER CRITICAL TO THESE BOXES. WE'RE ALSO GONNA NEED TO DO SOME STUFF, UH, SOME SAFETY UPGRADES. WE NEED A COUPLE NEW TRIPODS FOR THE GUYS, UM, THE EQUIPMENT STARTING TO AGE, AND SO WE'RE GOING TO REPLACE THOSE. AND WE'VE GOT SOME OF THE OLDER BOXES THAT ARE STILL GENERATION ONE THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY MEDIA OR BASKETS IN THEM THAT NEED TO BE UPGRADED AND THEY NEED NEW HATCHES. AND THEN WE'RE GONNA NEED SOME NEW PERSONNEL. WE'RE GONNA NEED A DEDICATED MOWING CREW. WE'VE GOT ENOUGH OF THESE BOXES AROUND TOWN THAT NEED A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC MOWING THAN JUST SENDING SOMEONE OUT JUST TO BLANKET MOW. UM, WE'RE ALSO GONNA NEED SOMEONE AS THEY'RE STARTING TO AGE TO BE OUR BAFFLE BOX TECHNICIAN. SO WHEN WE HAVE A MAINTENANCE NEED ON ANY OF THE PARTS, THERE'S SLIDERS AND ROLLERS ARE ALL A PART OF THE BOX IN THERE. SO HAVING SOMEBODY BE DEDICATED HER TO GO INTO THE BOXES AND BE ABLE TO MAKE THOSE MAINTENANCE, UH, REQUIREMENTS ARE GONNA BE NEEDED. THANK YOU. SO, ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. TRO? MAYOR? GOOD. GOOD. I WAS GOING TO SAY TWO THINGS. UM, ONE JENNY FOR YOU WERE WHAT? THE LEADER OF THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND I'M GOING AND NOW THE HIGHEST RANKING ENGINEER IN THE CITY AND I WILL SAY 17 BAFFLE BOXES , BUT THEN NUMBER TWO, UH, MORE. SO I ACTUALLY JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU DANNY, JAMES, AND THE STAFF BECAUSE THE NEXT FOUR ITEMS WILL ALL BE IN DISTRICT FOR THREE AND WE'RE VERY EXCITED AND GRATEFUL THAT, UM, YOU'LL BE BRINGING THOSE TO MELBOURNE AND HISTORIC SOUTH MELBOURNE. UH, THAT JUST MEANS A LOT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. OKAY. MR. . DANNY, GREAT JOB. I MEAN, JUST PHENOMENAL. I, UM, I KNOW MORE ABOUT BAFFLE BOXES NOW THAN I THOUGHT I'D EVER WOULD, YOU KNOW, BUT HOWEVER, SO THERE'S UH, TWO THINGS HERE THAT I'VE, I GOT A QUESTION ABOUT, UM, WELL, MAYBE THREE IS, ARE THE BAFFLE BOXES BECOMING NEXT GENERATIONS? ARE THEY GETTING BETTER IN ANY WAY? THEY ARE. SO THE FIRST GENERATION BAFFLE BOXES WERE INSTALLED WHERE THEY WERE JUST CONCRETE VAULTS WITH TWO WALLS ON THE INSIDE TO SLOW THE WATER DOWN. THE WHOLE INTENT OF A BAFFLE BOX IN ITS ORIGINAL DESIGN WAS TO SLOW THE WATER SO THE SETTLEMENT COULD FALL OUT. SO A LOT OF BAFFLE BOXES WERE ORIGINALLY INSTALLED IN PLACES WHERE YOU'VE GOT SANDY SOILS OR PLACES WHERE YOU'VE GOT EROSION ISSUES AND TO TRY TO KEEP THE SAND OUT OF WHATEVER RECEIVING WATER THEY WERE GOING TO THE NEXT GENERATION OF BAFFLE BOXES JUST HAD THE BASKET IN THEM. AND SO, UM, WE SORT OF SKIPPED OVER THAT GENERATION OF BAFFLE BOXES IN THE PROCESS AND WE MOVED ON TO WHAT WE COLLECTIVELY CALL A THIRD GENERATION. OR YOU CAN SOMETIMES STILL HEAR IT AS A SECOND GENERATION WITH BAM, WHICH IS A BIOACTIVATED MATERIAL. SO, UM, BIO ABSORPTION ACTIVATED MATERIAL, THAT MATERIAL IS IN THE BACK OF THAT BOX BASKET. UM, IT'S CONTACTED WITH THE WATER AND IT, UH, HELPS REMOVE NITROGEN AND PHOSPHOROUS. SO INSTEAD OF GETTING A NITROGEN REDUCTION OF 19% OF A REGULAR BAFFLE BOX, WE GET A, A NITROGEN REDUCTION OF ABOUT 60%. THAT'S AWESOME. ALRIGHT. INCREDIBLE. SO YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A NEW VAC, UM, UH, TRUCKS WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA NEED TO ONE IN THE NEXT COUPLE YEARS START BUDGETING AND THE FOR THAT DISTRICT IN THE COUPLE YEARS? OR ARE WE GONNA SEE THIS IN THE NEXT BUDGET? UM, PROBABLY NOT THIS BUDGET SEASON, PROBABLY EVEN THE NEXT ONE. WE, WE'VE BEEN, UM, WORKING WITH THE VENDOR ON THE, ON OUR, OUR NEWEST BOXES, CHERRY AND APOLLO TO, UM, AND THEY'RE GONNA HELP WITH THE MAINTENANCE OF THOSE BOXES BECAUSE THEY'RE USING THOSE AS TEST SITES FOR THEMSELVES ON HOW TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DESIGN AND, AND MODIFY FOR THESE BIGGER BOXES AS THEY COME FORTH. SO, UM, BUT THAT, THAT CONTRACT ONLY IS FOR A COUPLE YEARS, SO WE'RE GONNA NEED TO BE ABLE TO PICK THAT UP ONCE THEY'RE DONE WITH THAT. THAT'S PRETTY COOL. UH, SO I MEAN, AS THE GENERATIONS GO FORWARD, YOU KNOW, I I HOPEFULLY THE, THE TRUCKS ARE DOING THE SAME THING AND WE'RE FOLLOWING THAT PROGRESSION. THEY ARE, THEY'RE OKAY. THE LAST QUESTION I HAVE IS THAT DEDICATED MOWING CREW AROUND, IS THAT US? ARE WE, UM, ARE YOU PROPOSING THAT WE, UM, UH, CONTRACT THAT [01:05:01] OUT OR CAN WE HANDLE IT? OR WHAT DO YOU THINK? I CANNOT ACTUALLY ANSWER THAT QUESTION. UM, OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT AND OUR STREETS DEPARTMENT DOES ALL OF OUR MOWING NOW ALONG WITH CERTAIN CONTRACT ITEMS. UM, WE'VE JUST FOUND THAT THERE ARE A FEW OF THESE BOXES THAT, UM, NEED A LITTLE SPECIALTY MOWING AROUND THEM BECAUSE WE'RE UP WALKING AROUND THEM AND DOING THINGS OTHER THAN JUST A REGULAR, YOU KNOW, JUST STANDARD PLAY FIELD MOWING. SO, UM, THERE'S A LITTLE EXTRA WEED EATING AND SOME EDGING AND THINGS THAT NEED TO GO ON. SO WE'RE JUST SO AROUND THE, AROUND THE OPENINGS OF COURSE. CORRECT. THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT MORE SOFT AND AND FRAGILE THEY HAVE BEEN YES. PER SAY. I MEAN, OTHER THAN 10 FEET AWAY FROM THE CORRECT. CORRECT. ALRIGHT. CORRECT. DANNY, GREAT JOB. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL YOUR ANSWERS. YOU'RE, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR HARD WORK. YEAH, AND I'LL SAY IF ANYBODY HASN'T SEEN 'EM, GO LOOK AT THE WATER GOING IN AND THEN SEE IT GOING OUT. IT LOOKS DARK GOING IN AND IT LOOKS LIKE CLEANING UP THE DRINK AS IT'S COMING OUT. SO THEY DO A GREAT JOB THAT, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT BELL BOX HAS THAT ALLIGATOR SO OFTEN IS BECAUSE THE WATER'S SO STILL ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE SKIMMER, THE FISH JUST LOVE TO LIVE THERE AND, UM, WE'LL HAVE STAFF THAT GO OUT AND CHECK IT REGULARLY AND THEY'RE BIG AND FISHES LIVING IN THERE. UM, I DON'T FISH SO I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT KIND OF FISH THEY ARE, , BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE FISH OUT THERE THAT THEY SAY THEY'RE BIG AND THEY WOULD FISH FOR THEM IF THEY COULD, BUT THEY'RE WORKING AT THE TIME. . YEAH. OKAY. ANY, ANYTHING ELSE? NO GOOD INFORMATION. OKAY. YEAH. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT WAS, UH, ITEM NUMBER 12. THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE PRECURSOR TO 12 PRECURSOR. NOW SHE'LL JUST READ THE AGENDA FOR THAT. YEP, GO AHEAD. SO, UM, WE ARE LOOKING FOR APPROVAL OF TASK ORDER WITH D-R-M-P-I 2025 DASH 0 0 3 FOR THE CONTINUING CONTRACT FOR ENGINEERING SERVICES FOR THE RIVERVIEW, UM, PARK BAFFLE BOX, UH, PROJECT NUMBER 2 0 3 2 4, UM, WITH DRMP OUT OF MERRIT ISLAND FOR 126,558 $8. THIS IS FOR THE DESIGN OF THE BAFFLE BOX. THIS WILL GO DOWN WITHIN PARK PROPERTY. UM, WE WILL, UH, THIS BOX WILL BE UNIQUE IN THE SENSE THAT IT'S GONNA HAVE A FLAP GATE ON IT BECAUSE IT'S SO CLOSE TO THE LAGOON, WE NEED IT NOT TO BACKFLOW BACK INTO THE BOX. UM, SO THESE ARE FOR DESIGN SERVICES ASSOCIATED WITH, UM, THE INSTALLATION OF THAT BOX. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE, MAYOR? OKAY, GOOD SIR. UH, MOTION, UH, UH, OF APPROVAL OF TASK ORDER NUMBER DRMP ONE DASH 2025 DASH ZERO THREE TO DRMP INC OF MERRIT ISLAND, FLORIDA FOR THE RIVERVIEW PARK BAFFLE BOX PROJECT NUMBER 2 0 3 24 AND THE AMOUNT OF $126,558. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE. AYE. AND THAT MOTION PASSED. MOVE ON TO ITEM 13. [13. Task Order No. DRMP-I-2025-004 to the Continuing Contract for Engineering Services for the Melbourne Cemetery Baffle Box, Project No. 20124, DRMP, Inc., Merritt Island, FL - $127,750.] UM, VERY SIMILARLY AS THE PREVIOUS ONE IS, IS TAX ORDER D-R-M-P-I 2025 DASH 0 0 4 FOR CONTINUING CONTRACT SERVICE ENGINEERING SERVICES FOR THE MELBOURNE CEMETERY BAFFLE BOX PROJECT NUMBER 0 2 0 1 2 4, UM, AT MERRI ISLAND FOR UH, $127,725. THIS ONE, IT'S GONNA GO UP NEAR THE MELBOURNE CEMETERY OFF OF HIBISCUS. UM, THERE'S A VERY LARGE CANAL SYSTEM THAT RUNS, UM, NORTH, SOUTH THROUGH THAT SECTION. UM, THIS SHOULD BE THE LAST BOX TO GO IN IN THE BASEMENT THAT WE CALL THE HARBOR TREATMENT TRAIN AREA. SO THIS SHOULD BE THE LAST ONE THAT GOES IN THERE AND THAT'LL BE ABLE TO TREAT ALL OF THAT AREA INDICATED. PERFECT. ALRIGHT, DO WE HAVE A MOTION HERE, MAYOR, GO AHEAD. MOTION FOR THE APPROVAL OF TASK ORDER NUMBER D-R-M-P-I 2025 DASH ZERO FOUR INC. OF MERIT ISLAND, FLORIDA FOR MELBOURNE CEMETERY BAFFLE BOX PROJECT NUMBER 2 0 1 2 4 AND THE AMOUNT OF $127,750. AND I'LL SECOND THAT. SO MOTION SECOND. ALL THOSE THE BETTER SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE. AYE. AND A MOTION PASSES ITEM 14, MS. [14. Task Order No. DRMP-I-2025-005 to the Continuing Contract for Engineering Services for the Line Street Cemetery Baffle Box, Project No. 20224, DRMP, Inc., Merritt Island, FL - $121,050.] TROUB, UH, TASK ORDER NUMBER D-R-M-P-I 2025 DASH 0 0 5 FOR THE CONTINUING CONTRACT FOR ENGINEERING SERVICES FOR THE LINE STREET CEMETERY. BAFFLE BOX PROJECT NUMBER 2 0 2 2 4, UM, WITH DRP OUT MERRIT ISLAND FOR $121,050. THIS BAFFLE BOX IS DOWN BY THE, UM, LINE STREET CEMETERY. UM, IT TREATS A FAIRLY LARGE BASIN BEFORE IT GOES INTO CRANE CREEK ON THE SOUTH SIDE. UM, NOT FAR FROM THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. THE CITY OWNS NOT ONLY THE PROPERTY THAT THE CEMETERY IS ON, BUT A PIECE OF PROPERTY ADJACENT TO. SO IT GIVES US SOME OPTIONS ON HOW WE'RE GONNA PLACE THIS BOX. SO THIS IS FOR THOSE DESIGN SERVICES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, COUNSEL, DIRECTION ON THIS MAYOR, GO AHEAD. MOTION FOR THE APPROVAL OF TASK QUARTER NUMBER D-R-M-P-I 2025 DASH 0 0 5 INC. OF MAR MERIT ISLAND, FLORIDA FOR THE LINE STREET CEMETERY. BAFFLE BOX PROJECT NUMBER 2 0 2 2 4 IN THE AMOUNT OF $121,050. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION THEN A SECOND, UH, BY, UH, DISCUSSION. WOULD YOU MIND GOING THROUGH THE PRESENTATION ONE MORE SECOND, . YEAH, HE FORGETS IT'S A LOT OF STUFF, DON'T WORRY. BUT ANYWAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AS A SECOND. I'M SORRY, WHO WAS OUR SECOND? THAT WAS OKAY, MS. BASSETT. OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE A. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE. AYE. NO MOTION PASSES. AND NUMBER 15, [15. Task Order No. DRMP-I-2025-006 to the Continuing Contract for Engineering Services for the Darrow Avenue Baffle Box, Project No. 20424, DRMP, Inc., Merritt Island, FL - $128,800.] MS. CHARLES. UH, THIS IS TASK ORDER DRMP AYE 2020 5 0 0 6 [01:10:01] FOR THE CONTINUING CONTRACT FOR ENGINEERING SERVICES FOR THE DRO AVENUE BAFFLE BOX. PROJECT NUMBER 2 0 4 2 4, UM, OF DRMP FOR $128,800. THIS BAFFLE BOX IS PLACED, UM, OFF OF WHAT IS THE, UM, LEWIS STREET RIGHT OF WAY, UM, BEHIND THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WAS BUILT PRIOR TO ANY STORMWATER IMPROVEMENT. SO THIS WAS ONE OF THE LOCATIONS THAT WE CHOSE. UM, FOR A BAFFLE BOX. AGAIN, IT'S GONNA DRAIN OFF INTO CRANE CREEK. ALL OF THESE BOXES ARE DRAINING INTO CRANE CREEK. JUST FOR REFERENCE. OH, A LITTLE STEP FOR THE MELBOURNE AVENUE ONE. SORRY. UM, BUT AGAIN, THIS IS, UH, ONE OF THOSE PLACES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO TREAT THE AREAS THAT DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE TREATMENT. PERFECT, MAYOR, GOOD MOTION FOR THE APPROVAL OF TASK ORDER NUMBER D-R-M-P-I 2025 DASH ZERO SIX TO DRMP INC OF MERRI ISLAND, FLORIDA FOR THE DARROW AVENUE BAFFLE BOX PROJECT NUMBER, UH, 2 0 4 2 4 IN THE AMOUNT OF $128,800. AND I'LL SECOND THAT. SO MOTION. I'LL SECOND. I'LL BETTER SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AND I VOTE. AYE. AND THAT MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU MA'AM. MOVING ON [16. Amendment No. 4 to the State Revolving Fund Program Loan Agreement for the Grant Street Water Reclamation Facility Improvements Project and the Biosolids Handling Improvement Project.] TO ITEM NUMBER 16, REPORTING ON THIS IS MS. BAGNOLI. HERE COMES TROUBLE . THERE IS. GOOD EVENING MAYOR COUNSEL. GOOD EVENING. UH, THIS ITEM IS THE AMENDMENT FORWARD TO THE STATE REVOLVING FUND LOAN AGREEMENT FOR THE GRANT STREET IMPROVEMENTS AND THE BIOSOLIDS PROJECT. AND THIS IS THE AMENDMENT THAT WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR, UM, OVER THE LAST SIX MONTHS. WE'VE HAD FOUR TOTAL CHANGE ORDERS FOR THE PROJECT, FOR THE BIOSOLIDS PROJECT, UM, THAT WE BASICALLY SAID, WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THE SRF WAS GONNA BE COMING THROUGH WITH THE ADDITIONAL FUNDS. IT JUST TOOK A LITTLE WHILE TO GO THROUGH THEIR, UH, NOVEMBER MEETING AND THEN TO GET THE DOCUMENTS TO US. AND, UM, PART OF THE REASON FOR THIS AMENDMENT WAS BECAUSE WHEN WE, UM, ORIGINALLY WE HAD AN SRF LOAN APPROVED FOR BOTH THE GRANT STREET IMPROVEMENTS AND THE BIOSOLIDS PROJECT. UH, HOWEVER, WE ONLY HAD 20 MILLION OR TOTAL, AND JUST THE BIOSOLIDS PROJECT CAME IN AT $28 MILLION. WHAT, WHEN THE ESTIMATE WENT THROUGH, WE THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE THE, UM, ESTIMATED CONSTRUCTION WAS 25,460,000. AND SO THAT'S WHAT THEY BASED THE FUNDING ON. WELL, AFTER THE COUNCIL AWARD WAS ACTUALLY FOR THE 28 8 MILLION, UM, $247,000. THE ADJUSTMENT DIDN'T HAPPEN FOR, SO THIS IS TO ACCOUNT FOR THE, UM, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE ESTIMATE AND THE CONSTRUCTION AMOUNT, AND THEN TO ACCOUNT FOR, UH, APPROXIMATELY $669,974, UH, IN CHANGE ORDERS. AND, UM, THOSE WERE FOR, UM, ORIGINALLY IT WAS SOME IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE NEEDED. UM, AND THEN WE HAD, UM, UM, I HAD TWO DIFFERENT THINGS IN MY HAND. UH, MAYBE I DON'T HAVE, YES I DO. SORRY. UM, IT WAS FOR SOME DRIVE CLARIFIER DRIVE MECHANISMS, UH, MECHANISM AND ASSOCIATED BRACKETS WAS THE ORIGINAL CHANGE ORDER AMOUNTS. AND THEN WE HAD BLOWER CONTROL PANEL FOR 357,000 APPROXIMATELY. AND THEN, UM, THERE WAS SOME PIPING. THE LAST CHANGE ORDER THAT CAME THROUGH WAS PIPING THAT WAS ORIGINALLY SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE GRANT STREET PROJECT, BUT THE BIOSOLIDS AND GRANT STREET WERE SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN AT THE SAME TIME. SO THAT PIPING HAD TO BE MOVED INTO THE BIOSOLIDS AND THAT WAS FOR 277,000, UH, $207. SO, UH, THIS AMENDMENT FOUR WILL GIVE US THE ADDITIONAL FUNDS THAT WE WERE SHORT AND, UM, TO, WHICH WILL ALSO COVER THOSE CHANGE ORDERS. AND, UM, SO REQUESTING APPROVAL OF THE RESOLUTION TO APPROVE THE AMENDMENT AND FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE. AND THAT'S, UH, RESOLUTION 4 4 0 4 AND THEN RESOLUTION 4 4 0 5 IS A BUDGET RESOLUTION TO APPROPRIATE THE FUNDS. OKAY. THANK YOU. SORRY, THAT WAS A LOT. NO, ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR A MAYOR? GO AHEAD. MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 4, 4 0 4 SECOND. SO WE HAVE MOTION. SECOND. ALL THOSE AT FAVORS? AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? VOTE. AYE. THAT MOTION PASSES. B MAYOR, GO AHEAD. MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 4, 4 0 5. SECOND. UH, WE HAVE A MOTION, SECOND BY MR. SMITH. ALL THOSE AT SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE. AYE. AND THAT MOTION PASSES. MOVING ON TO [17. CONSENT AGENDA:] ITEM NUMBER SEVENTEEN'S GONNA BE, UH, CONSENT TO AGENDA. NOTHING WAS PULLED ITEMS A THROUGH H. UH, [01:15:01] COUNSEL, MAYOR. MAYOR, GO AHEAD. VICE MAYOR. I MOVE TO THE APPROVAL OF CONSENTS AGENDA A THROUGH H. SECOND, A MOTION BY THE VICE MAYOR, SECOND BY MR. NEWMAN. ALL THE FAVOR SAY AYE. A AYE. ANY OPPOSED, SOYE TO MOTION PASSES. NUMBER 18, NOTHING WAS PULLED. SO WE'RE [19. Annual Reconciliation for Melbourne Downtown Community Redevelopment Agency Fund Balance Appropriation.] GONNA SLIDE ON NUMBER 19. REPORTING ON THIS IS MR. ROSS MCGINN, OUR FINANCIAL SERVICES WIZARD. HELLO, SIR. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I HOPE MY VOICE DOESN'T BETRAY ME, BUT I'M FEELING RATHER POORLY AT THE MOMENT, BUT I WILL GET THROUGH THIS AS BEST I CAN. OH, ARE YOU A BODY DEVIL OR ARE YOU REALLY RAW? UH, THAT'S REALLY ME. OKAY. JUST WINTERIZED. . LOOKS GOOD ON YOU THOUGH. OH, GREATLY, GREATLY APPRECIATE THAT. ALWAYS, ALWAYS APPRECIATE IT. LOOKED LIKE ROSS'S DAD. HEY, HOW YOU DOING? ? NOT BALD ENOUGH, UNFORTUNATELY. MEN'S HAIR CLIP. I MEAN, YOU. GREAT. IT'S ALL GOOD. UH, HERE WE GO. UH, GOOD EVENING AGAIN. UH, THIS ITEM IS, UH, A COLLECTION OF ITEMS ACTUALLY FOR YOUR CRA DOWNTOWN CRA, UH, BUDGET. UH, THIS IS PART OF OUR ANNUAL PROCESS OF ESTIMATING OUR FUND BALANCE AT THE END OF THE YEAR, WHICH WE DO AT THE FOURTH QUARTER. THIS IS THE OTHER HALF OF THAT EQUATION WHERE WE, UH, WIND UP TRUING THAT UP TO THE ACTUAL AMOUNTS THAT WE REPORT ON THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS. UH, SO IN ESSENCE, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS IDENTIFYING FOR FLORIDA ESTATE STATUTE PURPOSES, WHAT THE USES OF THE THAT FUND BALANCE WILL BE FOR, UH, IN ONE OF THE APPROVED ELIGIBLE USES THAT'S, UH, LISTED OUT IN STATUTE. SO FOR THIS PURPOSE, UH, THIS OBVIOUSLY WILL BE GOING TOWARDS ONE OF OUR MAJOR CAPITAL PROGRAM PROJECTS ONCE IT GOES FORWARD. UH, AND THE REASON YOU'RE ONLY SEEING DOWNTOWN CRA AND NOT ALI IS OBVIOUSLY ALI IS KIND OF ON A ONE PROJECT BASIS RIGHT NOW, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT SAME EXERCISE. IT'S ALREADY COMMITTED. UM, SO FOR THIS, WE HAVE FOR YOU TODAY AS THE CITY COUNCIL, UH, RESOLUTIONS 4 3 9 8 AND 4 3 9 9 FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR ROSS? ALL RIGHT, MAYOR, GO AHEAD. MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 4 3 9 8. SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION, UH, BY MR. NEWMAN, SECOND BY MR. RUSO. ALL THE SAY AYE A. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE. AYE. NOW MOTION PASSES. HOW ABOUT B MAYOR? GO AHEAD. MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 4 3 9 9. SECOND WE MOTION. AND SECOND BY MS. RUSO. UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? VOTE AYE. A MOTION PASSES. COUNSEL WILL NOW CONVENE AT THE MELBOURNE DOWNTOWN COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY FOR ITEM NUMBER C. MAYOR, GO AHEAD. MOTION TO APPROVE. RESOLUTION NUMBER 4, 4 0 0. SECOND. SECOND. UH, I'LL THEN SECOND THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE A LITTLE SLOWER. . ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? VOTE AYE. MOTION PASSES NOW COUNSEL WILL RECONVENE BACK CITY COUNCIL FOR THE POLLING ITEM. ITEM NUMBER 20, [20. Resolution No. 4401: A resolution adopting first quarter budget recommendations for the City's Fiscal Year 2025-2026 budget.] UH, MR. MCGINN. ALRIGHT, GOOD EVENING AGAIN, MAYOR. COUNSEL. UH, THIS IS YOUR RESOLUTION, 4, 4 0 1, YOUR FIRST QUARTER BUDGET RESOLUTION. UH, TYPICALLY YOU SEE US GO THROUGH, UH, EACH QUARTER AND KIND OF IDENTIFY ANY MATERIAL VARIANCES OR ANYTHING KNOWN THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR. UH, SO WE TRY TO WANT TO, YOU KNOW, REVIEW WHAT WE, WHAT OUR ASSUMPTIONS WERE, SEE WHERE WE MAY HAVE SOME OPPORTUNITIES AND WHERE WE MAY HAVE SOME THREATS AND KIND OF FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE TO GO FROM THERE. UH, SO FOR YOUR PURPOSES, I'M GONNA WALK YOU THROUGH, UH, THESE, THIS CHART YOU MIGHT REMEMBER FROM OUR BUDGET DAYS. UH, THIS IS PRETTY MUCH 80% OF YOUR GENERAL FUND REVENUE. SO ANYTHING THAT WILL, WILL MATERIALLY IMPACT THE FUNDS WILL HAPPEN IN THESE REVENUE STREAMS, THOSE, UH, BOXES ON THE RIGHT AND THE COLORS THAT WE PUT IN THERE WHERE WE GENERALLY, WHERE WE WERE AT THINKING, UH, MOVING FORWARD WITH THESE REVENUES WHERE THE, THE OPPORTUNITIES AND CHALLENGES MIGHT LIE AHEAD OF US. UH, SO THE SLIDES THAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE HERE, I'M NOT GONNA GO OVER EACH OF THESE REVENUE STREAMS, BUT JUST THE ONES THAT I'VE NOTED SOME LEVEL OF VARIANCE FROM WHAT WE ORIGINALLY ASSUMED. UH, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT I'M WATCHING RIGHT NOW, UH, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR ME TO NOTE BEFORE ANY OF THESE SLIDES THAT, YOU KNOW, TWO DATA POINTS DON'T MAKE A TREND. SO THIS IS VERY PRELIMINARY, AND WE'RE NOT, I'M NOT TRYING TO CAUSE ANY, UH, GRIEF OR, OR CONSTERNATION FROM ANYBODY. UH, JUST BEAR, BEAR WITH ME AND I'M, I'M MONITORING THESE THINGS. UH, SO OUR ELECTRIC UTILITY TAXES, THIS IMPACTS YOUR FRANCHISE FEE AND YOUR UTILITY TAX ON YOUR RFPL BILLS. UH, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THE ORANGE LINE IS OUR ACTUAL, UH, RESULTS COMPARED TO LAST YEAR'S, UH, DURING THE FIRST THREE MONTHS OF THE YEAR, WE WERE EXPECTING THIS TO COME IN HIGHER THAN LAST YEAR'S, JUST BY VIRTUE OF THE STORM SURCHARGE THAT WE HAVE, UH, OR HAD IN, IN FACT, AT THAT TIME, UH, THAT IS NOW EXPIRED WITH YOUR DECEMBER BILL. AND NOW IN JANUARY YOU'RE SEEING THE NEW RATES THAT WERE APPROVED BY THE PUBLIC SERVICE COMMISSION, UH, BACK IN AUGUST, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. SO WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA SEE, DEPENDING ON, UM, YOU KNOW, USAGE AND OTHER FACTORS LIKE DEMAND ON, ON THE GRID, UH, IS WE SHOULD SEE A SLIGHTLY LOWER REVENUE TREND THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE YEAR, CREATING THAT SMALL DELTA TOWARDS THE TOP. UH, AND THAT'S PRIMARILY A RESULT OF THAT, UH, THAT NEGOTIATED RATE, WHICH ACTUALLY WOUND UP BEING A SLIGHTLY LESSER AMOUNT THAN WHAT THE CURRENT BILLS WERE WITH THE SURCHARGE. SO THE NET EFFECT OF EVERYTHING SHOULD BE A SLIGHTLY CHEAPER BILL, UH, THROUGHOUT THE REMAINDER OF THIS YEAR THROUGH, THROUGH, UH, AT LEAST SEPTEMBER FOR OUR FISCAL YEAR. UH, BUT THAT'S ALSO BARRING ANY, UH, MATERIAL DIFFERENCES IN, SAY THINGS LIKE THE NATURAL GAS MARKET. UH, YOU SAW THE SPIKE WHEN THE WINTER STORM CAME THROUGH RECENTLY, UH, BUT THAT WAS NOT PROLONGED [01:20:01] ENOUGH TO WARRANT THEM GOING BACK TO THE PSE AND ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL REVENUE. SO WE JUST MONITOR IT. IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO, TO LOOK FOR. BUT PART OF WHAT'S INFORMING THIS SLIGHTLY LOWER TREND BEYOND JUST THE PRICING, UH, WE MONITOR THE KILOWATT BY HOURS, UH, ON THE BILLS THAT ARE REPORTED BY FP L AND THEIR REINS ADVICES. UH, THIS HAS ACTUALLY BEEN THE LOWEST TRENDING YEAR THAT I'VE SEEN, UH, SINCE 2020. UH, WHICH JUST MEANS THAT IN A WAY, HEY, WE'RE GETTING A LITTLE BIT MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT WITH OUR APPLIANCES. OUR HOMES ARE GETTING A LITTLE BIT BETTER INSULATED. AND IT COULD BE JUST AS MUCH AS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA THAT WE HAD A MORE TEMPERATE WINTER THAN MAYBE SOME, SOME YEARS PAST. SO, BARRING ANY OTHER BIG SWINGS LIKE, UH, UH, HIGHER DEMAND FOR ACS, IF WE HAVE A PARTICULARLY HOT SUMMER OR ANY OF THOSE NATURAL GAS TYPE, YOU KNOW, PRICES THAT MAY IMPACT US, UH, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING TO WATCH FOR. BUT RIGHT NOW THAT DOES KIND OF INFORM THAT PREVIOUS SLIDE THAT WE DO THINK THAT WE'LL SEE ELECTRIC REVENUES COMING IN A LITTLE LOWER THAN PREVIOUSLY. UH, BUT NOTHING THAT WE HAVEN'T ALREADY ACCOUNTED FOR IN THE BUDGET. THE HALF CENT SALES TAX COLLECTIONS ARE A LITTLE BIT DISAPPOINTING COMPARED TO WHERE WE THOUGHT THEY WOULD BE AT THIS TIME OF YEAR. BUT AGAIN, TWO DATA POINTS DON'T MAKE A TREND. UH, BUT THIS IS KIND OF REFLECTIVE OF, YOU KNOW, ANY TIME THAT WE EXEMPT IN ANY ADDITIONAL SALES, UH, TAX HOLIDAYS THAT THE STATE PASSES, ANYTHING LIKE THAT HAS A NEGATIVE EFFECT ON, ON ANY TAX THAT'S COLLECTED WITHIN THE COUNTY. UH, AS YOU MIGHT RECALL FROM OUR DISCUSSION, SALES TAX GETS DIVIDED UP BY POPULATION. SO FOR OUR PURPOSES, EVEN IF YOU BUY IN MELBOURNE, DOESN'T MEAN THE MONEY'S COMING TO MELBOURNE. IT'S BOUGHT IN THE COUNTY AND IT'S DIVIDED AMONGST ALL OF US BY POPULATION. UH, GENERALLY SPEAKING, UM, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE TO IT THAN THAT ON SOME OF THE MORE HISTORICAL ASPECTS OF THAT REVENUE STREAM. BUT THAT'S GENERALLY HOW YOU CAN KIND OF LOOK AT THIS. SO THE ORANGE LINE'S KIND OF INDICATING THAT WE'RE A LITTLE BIT BEHIND WHERE OUR BUDGET WAS SUPPOSED TO BE AT THIS TIME OF YEAR. UH, BUT RIGHT NOW THERE'S NOT ANY DETAILED DATA FROM OCTOBER OR NOVEMBER THAT THE STATE HAS RELEASED TO IDENTIFY ANY TRENDS AND WHETHER OR NOT IT'S TOTAL SALES THAT ARE DOWN. WHETHER THERE'S ANY OTHER ECONOMIC IMPACTS, LIKE SPECIFIC INDUSTRIES THAT ARE STRUGGLING. WE'RE DOING BETTER THAN PRE PREVIOUS YEARS, BUT HOPEFULLY HAVE MORE INFORMATION BY THE SECOND, UH, QUARTER TO HAVE AN IDEA, LOCAL OPTION GAS TAX, UH, EVEN MORE DISTRESSINGLY, UH, THAN HALF-CENT SALES TAX. WE'VE REALLY SEEN THIS, THIS, UH, REVENUE KIND OF STRUGGLE THESE PAST FEW YEARS. AGAIN, POPULATION BASED FORMULA, WE'RE NOT GROWING AT THE SAME PACE AS OUR PEERS. UH, AND UNFORTUNATELY SOME OF OUR TRANSPORTATION EXPENDITURES ALSO LAGGED BEHIND OUR PEERS. SO WE TRIED TO TAKE ADDRESS THAT WITH THIS BUDGET, MAKE SURE WE HAD THE APPROPRIATE AMOUNTS GOING TO ROADS. UM, AND, AND I HOPE THAT THAT MIGHT CLAW BACK. BUT THIS WILL ALWAYS HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A NEGATIVE PRESSURE TO IT AS WE ALL HAVE EITHER MORE FUEL EFFICIENT VEHICLES THAT WE PURCHASE, OR EVEN EVS OR THE LIKE. SO AGAIN, IF YOU'RE NOT BUYING GAS OR BUYING GAS AT A LESSER RATE, LESS REVENUE IN THIS ONE. BUT AGAIN, WITH THE POPULATION DRIVEN FORMULA, IT'S NOT VERY KIND TO US AT THE MOMENT, BUT THIS IS ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT WORSE OFF THAN WE WERE EXPECTING SO FAR. BUT AGAIN, TWO DATA POINTS DON'T MAKE A TREND. COMMUNICATION SERVICE TAX. IF YOU'LL RECALL BACK TO THE FIRST SLIDE, THAT WAS ONE OF OUR REVENUES THAT WE WERE REALLY HOT ON. UH, YOU KNOW, WE SAW A LOT OF GROWTH IN THAT. WE WERE A LITTLE BIT SKEPTIC OF IT. AND FUNNY ENOUGH, AS SOON AS I PUT BELIEF INTO IT, IT DECIDED THAT IT WASN'T GONNA GO AS HOT AS I THOUGHT IT WOULD. UM, SO THAT BLUE LINE THERE REPRESENTS WHERE WE FIGURED IT WOULD BE BASED OFF OF PRIOR COLLECTION RATES FOR THE OVERALL YEAR. UH, THE ORANGE IS OBVIOUSLY LAGGING BEHIND THERE A LITTLE BIT MORE SIGNIFICANTLY THAN SOME OF THE OTHER REVENUE STREAMS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. AND THIS IS A BIT OF A SURPRISE BECAUSE THIS WAS, UH, A VERY MUCH GROWTH REVENUE FOR US, UH, THAT WE FELT WE COULD RELY ON FINALLY. BUT IF IT CONTINUES AT THIS TREND, THAT'S A, THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT VARIANCE. SO WE'RE MONITORING IT CLOSELY. UH, OFTENTIMES WHAT THEY HAVE IN THEIR MONTHLY REMITTANCES IS, UH, THEY HAVE, UH, AUDITS THAT WE, THEY WILL PERFORM ON THE, THE ENTITIES THAT WE'LL CHARGE FOR COMMUNICATION SERVICE TAX. AND OFTENTIMES YOU'LL SEE A LUMP SUM PAYMENT AT TIMES THAT MAY INFLUENCE THESE NUMBERS FROM MONTH TO MONTH. I HAVE TO GO THROUGH EACH OF THESE MONTHS TO KIND OF FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT MAY HAVE BEEN IN PRIOR YEARS THAT MAY CAUSE THIS SKEW, OR WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS JUST ACTUALLY MORE THE REALITY OF WHERE WE SHOULD BE BUDGETING THIS ONE. UH, AND THEN JUST TO TOUCH BRIEFLY ON EXPENDITURES, 'CAUSE WE JUST WENT THROUGH THE 80% OF YOUR REVENUES IN THE GENERAL FUND SIDE. EVERYTHING ELSE IS, IS AS EXPECTED AS, AS BEST WE CAN BELIEVE, UH, FOR YOUR 26 BUDGET. UH, OBVIOUSLY WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT HEALTH INSURANCE, WE WERE EXPECTING TO HAVE SOME LEVEL OF INCREASE. UH, YOU KNOW, THE PAST TWO YEARS HAD DOUBLE DIGIT INCREASES. AND, AND RIGHT NOW WHAT WE HAVE APPROVED WITH, UH, UNITED HEALTH RECENTLY IS, UH, A SLIGHT RATE DECREASE. SO THAT 10% INCREASE THAT WE BUDGETED FOR ANTICIPATING A HIT, UH, IS A HIT THAT WON'T MATERIALIZE. SO THAT'S GONNA GO A LONG WAYS IN HELPING US ACHIEVE ROLLBACK THIS YEAR. UH, AND TRY AND KEEP TAXES LOW AS BEST WE CAN AND BE RESPONSIBLE STEWARDS OF TAXPAYER MONEY. UH, THE OTHER ASPECT THAT WE USUALLY SEE, UH, IS, UH, YOU KNOW, SALARY SAVINGS FROM VACANCIES. OBVIOUSLY THE PAST COUPLE YEARS HAVE BEEN A BIT OF A STRUGGLE. UM, YOU KNOW, HIGHER VACANCIES IN BOTH POLICE OPERATIONS, POLICE SUPPORT SERVICES, UH, PUBLIC WORKS. UM, BUT WHAT WE SAW FROM LAST YEAR, THIS TIME VERSUS THIS YEAR, THIS TIME IS A MAJOR IMPROVEMENT, UH, 24 OR 21% TO 13%. UM, SO THAT WILL RESULT IN FEWER SALARY SAVINGS AS WELL AS THE FACT THAT WE DIDN'T FULLY BUDGET SOME OF THOSE SAME DIVISIONS TO AFFORD THE BUDGET AS IT WAS PRESENTED TO YOU. SO WITH [01:25:01] THAT, THAT'S MY FIRST QUARTER BUDGET RESOLUTION, UH, BASICALLY FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, ALL OF THE ADDITIONAL DETAILS THAT WERE FOUND IN YOUR PACKAGE. I'M HAPPY TO ADDRESS IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE SPECIFIC PROJECTS OR ADJUSTMENTS WE'RE MAKING. BUT, UH, HAPPY TO, UH, ENTERTAIN. ANY QUESTIONS? UH, GO AHEAD MS. HAYLEY. OKAY. ON THE GOLF COURSE, US BEING THAT I, MY FATHER LIVED ON THE GOLF COURSE FIVE DAYS A WEEK. I KIND OF, THAT'S MY BAD THING HERE. AND THE HARBOR CITY USUALLY WAS THE ONE THAT CARRIED CRANE CREEK. IT'S O IN THE PAST, IN, IN THE PAST. BUT WHAT'S THIS TIME THE HARBOR CITY IS NOT CARRYING THE CRANE CREEK? IS THERE ANY REASON WHY? 'CAUSE USUALLY THAT'S DURING THIS TIME OF THE YEAR, LIKE I I'VE SAID BEFORE, THAT'S, THAT'S THE LITTLE TOUGHER COURSE. THE MM-HMM . UM, WHAT'S THE RIGHT WORD, ADAM, MR. ADAM THAT YOU WOULD SAY ABOUT HARVARD CITY COMPARED TO CRANE CREEK? UH, IT'S LONGER. IT'S MORE, IT'S, IT'S A MORE DIFFICULT COURSE. YEAH. USUALLY THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE GO TO P TO MORE COMPETITIVE. BUT I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND, DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHY THAT IS? SO WHEN YOU LOOK BACK OVER THE PERFORMANCE OF THE GOLF COURSES OVER, EVEN IF YOU GO BACK TO SAY 2020 AND A LITTLE BIT BEFORE THEN, CAR CRANE CREEK HAS ACTUALLY BEEN OUTPERFORMING HARBOR CITY FOR, UH, EVERY YEAR THAT I'VE BEEN HERE AT LEAST, UH, I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHAT HAPPENED MAYBE 20 YEARS BACK AND IF, IF COURSE CONDITIONS WERE DRASTICALLY DIFFERENT BETWEEN THE TWO. BUT FROM WHAT WE'VE SEEN OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS IS WE'VE ALWAYS HAD AT LEAST ONE COURSE NOT QUITE OPEN DURING MOST OF THE YEAR. SO WE HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF GOOD DATA TO ANALYZE MM-HMM . I CAN TELL YOU THE ROUNDS THAT WE'RE SEEING AT HARBOR CITY ARE HIGHER THAN THEY WERE BEFORE THEY WERE REHABBED. SO THAT MEANS AT LEAST THE, OH, THEY WERE TERRIBLE BEFORE IT WAS YES. THAT WAS, THAT WAS LIKE A, IT IT WAS A WORTHY INVESTMENT BY, BY ALL MEANS. BUT WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS AT LEAST AN INCREASE IN ROUNDS. UH, BUT BECAUSE THE COURSE IS A LITTLE BIT LARGER, DOES REQUIRE A LITTLE BIT MORE MAINTENANCE, DOES REQUIRE A LITTLE BIT MORE FERTILIZER. IT REQUIRES A LITTLE BIT MORE OF EVERYTHING. UH, IT MAY BE TIME TO REVIEW SOME OF THE RATES TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE HAVE IS ACTUALLY COM APPROPRIATELY, UH, PRICED OUT FOR, YOU KNOW, SELF SUSTAINABILITY. UM, MY OTHER THING IS BECAUSE KNOWING THAT USED TO BE HAD TO GO TWO DAYS BACK IN, BACK IN THE DAY, YOU HAD TO GO PHONE IN FOR TWO DAYS PRIOR TO PLAY. UM, SO THEY WERE MAKING MONEY WHEN POPS WAS THERE AND EVERYTHING ELSE. UM, BUT WHAT HAPPENED IS, I KNOW THAT THERE WAS MONEY BEFORE YOU, WAY BEFORE YOU WERE EVEN COMING IN HERE. THE MONEY WAS BEING THERE AND BEING SIPHONED OUT TO, UM, SUPPLEMENT OTHER THINGS IN THE CITY. THAT'S WHY LIKE THE IRRIGATION WASN'T KEPT UP TO DATE TO THE POINT. SO WE ARE KEEPING THAT 'CAUSE IT IS AN ENTERPRISE FUND. YES. I DO KNOW WHAT AN ENTERPRISE FUND IS. IT IS STAYING IN THERE. CORRECT. WE'RE NOT SIPHONING IT OUT. WE'RE NOT PUTTING IT OUT. CORRECT. WE'RE NOT SO A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE DID PREVIOUSLY WHEN IT WAS AN ENTERPRISE FUND MM-HMM . I MADE IT A SPECIAL REVENUE FUND. SO IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BIT SIMILAR ENOUGH, BUT IT, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN KEEP AN EYE ON THOSE FUNDS AND KEEP THEM SEPARATE. UH, YOU'LL NOTICE WHEN WE GET TO THE POINT OF LOOKING AT OUR FINANCIALS FOR LAST YEAR, IT'S GONNA HAVE A NEGATIVE NET POSITION. THAT'S PERFECTLY UNDERSTANDABLE BECAUSE WE HAD TO ADVANCE IT MONEY TO BUY THE GOLF CARTS. IT'S THE FIRST YEAR OF A LARGE EXPENDITURE THAT'S COMPLETELY ANTICIPATED. UH, BUT IT IS SHOWING THE GROWTH THAT WE HOPE TO HAVE AND THE MONEY IS SEGREGATED SO IT DOES NOT GET SIPHONED AWAY THAT, THAT'S WHY WE HAD SUCH A PROBLEM. WE'VE HAD TO COME BACK IN THERE. 'CAUSE LIKE I SAID, MY, I LIVE IN FLORIDA BECAUSE OF HARBOR CITY GOLF COURSE. MY DAD COULD BE THERE BY 12 O'CLOCK, BY ONE O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON IF HE WANTED TO GET UP IN THE MORNING. I'M IN NEW YORK. HE COULD BE MELBOURNE BY ONE O'CLOCK AND ON THAT GOLF COURSE. SO THAT'S WHY I'M IN MELBOURNE, FLORIDA. BUT BECAUSE THAT CO BECAUSE I'VE LIVED DEALT WITH THAT, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S STAYING IN THERE, IT'S BEING MAINTAINED LIKE IT SHOULD BE BECAUSE NOBODY, IT WAS KIND OF LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED FOR 20 YEARS THAT IT JUST KIND OF FELL AWAY TO THE, THE WAYSIDE. AND IT'S A MONEY, NOT MY, I DON'T WANNA SAY MONEY MAKER, BUT IT CAN GENERATE ENOUGH INCOME TO TAKE CARE ITSELF AND BE A GOOD COURSE THAT PEOPLE WILL COME TO MELBOURNE JUST TO PLAY THAT COURSE. AND THIS, THIS HAS HONESTLY BEEN THE FIRST, UH, SET OF MONTHS, THIS FIRST QUARTER THAT WE ACTUALLY CAN LOOK BACK AT LAST YEAR WHEN BOTH COURSES WERE OPEN FROM HERE ON OUT. MM-HMM . WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE ABILITY TO SEE SOME OF THESE TRENDS TO SAY WHETHER OR NOT THE RATES WE'RE CHARGING ARE APPROPRIATE TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT THE ROUNDS ARE BEING IMPACTED BY THE RATES THAT WE'RE CHARGING AND WHAT OPPORTUNITIES WE MIGHT HAVE TO, UH, MAKE THE, THE COURSES MORE PROFITABLE TO SAY. I MEAN, BUT WE WANNA KEEP IT IN A CERTAIN, FOR THAT FOR A REASON. YES. TO COME DOWN HERE. THEY WILL STAY IN OUR HOTELS, THEY'LL EAT IT. I MEAN, THEY'LL COME DOWN FOR A WEEK, TWO WEEKS AND PLAY OUR GOLF COURSE. 'CAUSE IT WAS, THAT'S HARBOR CITY WAS THAT GOOD OF A COURSE AT ONE POINT. THAT CAN BE DONE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO, MR. YOU, SO REAL QUICK, UH, SO ALL OF THE UTILITY TAXES, I MEAN GAS TAX, A DOUBLE-EDGED SWORD OF COURSE. YOU KNOW, SO WE GET LESS, BUT WE GET MORE AS [01:30:01] CONSUMERS. CORRECT. OKAY. AND THEN ALL THE DECREASES IN EVERYTHING ACROSS THE BOARD. SO I'M GONNA CHALLENGE THIS COUNCIL COMING INTO THE NEXT BUDGET BECAUSE THE BUDGET IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING WE DO. YOU KNOW, THAT, I KNOW THAT, UH, TO FIND, UH, WAYS OF NOT TAXING OUR CONSTITUENTS MORE, BUT I'M FEARFUL OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN TALLAHASSEE. I'M FEARFUL OF EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON AROUND US. SO INSTEAD OF FINDING WAYS TO SPEND MONEY, I'M GONNA CHALLENGE EVERYBODY TO FIND A WAY TO MAKE MONEY WITHOUT PUTTING IT ON THE SHOULDERS OF, OF OUR, UM, CONSTITUENTS. SO ANYWAY, I CHALLENGE YOU. I'LL, I'LL SIT DOWN WITH YOU AT LUNCH ANYTIME WHEN YOU'RE FEELING BETTER. 'CAUSE I DON'T WANT TO GET YOURS. OKAY. I ALREADY WENT THROUGH MINE TWO WEEKS AGO, SO, UM, WELL, AND THANK YOU. AND PLEASE HOLD ONTO THAT THOUGHT. I KNOW MS. LAMB HAD ME WORK THROUGH A LITTLE BIT OF A PRESENTATION ON SOME OF THE LEGISLATIVE UPDATES AND WE'RE GONNA ADDRESS THAT LATER ON IN THIS EVENING. YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S COMING LATER. YEAH. SO WE'LL HAVE THAT, UH, CONVERSATION AND DEBATE. SO ANYBODY, ANYTHING ELSE, MAYOR? OKAY, GO AHEAD. UH, MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 4, 4 0. ONE SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION. AND SECOND ALL MOVE. THE MEMBERS SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE. AYE THAT MOTION PASSES. GO HOME, ROSS. NO, HE'S NOT LEAVING. HE'S GOT ONE MORE. HE GOT THIS. AND WE, WE MOVING ON TO, UH, ITEM [21. Resolution No. 4402: (Public Hearing) A resolution providing for the designation of a structure located at 2015 Bryan Street as a historic resource. (HARB2025-0024) (Applicant/Owner - Robert and Lynn Maffie)] NUMBER 21. SORRY, DEAR REPORT ON THIS. MS. CINDY TMORE. YES. SO THIS IS A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A LOCAL HISTORIC DESIGNATION. UH, THE PROPERTY OWNERS OF 2015 BRIAN STREET, UH, REQUESTED OF THE CITY TO, UM, SEEK, UH, LOCAL DESIGNATION, UM, OF THEIR PROPERTY ON BRIAN STREET. UH, THE CITY COUNCIL PACKAGE CONTAINS THE DESIGNATION REPORT, UM, THAT WAS COMPLETED BY OUR HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER OUTLINING, UM, ALL THE CRITERIA THAT THIS PROPERTY, UM, MEETS TO, UM, BE CONSIDERED FOR THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION. UH, THE PROPERTY IS, UM, JUST ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF 1 92, UM, VERY CLOSE TO THE CVS, UM, UH, AT 1 92 AND BABCOCK STREET, UH, PROPERTY ZONED R ONE A. IT'S YOUR TYPICAL SINGLE FAMILY. UM, RESIDENTIAL HOME BUILT IN, UM, 1925. I JUST WANNA DO, SINCE WE DON'T GET A LOT OF THESE, JUST WANTED TO MENTION OUR CHAPTER 20. WE HAVE A WHOLE OUTLINE PROCESS FOR LOCAL DESIGNATION OF HISTORIC PROPERTIES. AND, UM, I'LL SHOW YOU THEN, UM, WHAT, WHAT PROPERTIES WE ALREADY HAVE DESIGNATED IN THE CITY. UM, BUT WE GO THROUGH THE, THESE STEPS AND THE HISTORIC AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD IS THE BOARD THAT REVIEWS THESE AND BRINGS THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS TO CITY UM, COUNCIL. UM, SPECIFICALLY THIS PROPERTY, OUR HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER, UM, FOUND THAT THE, UM, THE ARCHITECTURE OF THIS STRUCTURE, UM, IS WHAT DEEMS IT, UM, CREDIBLE TO, UM, TO BE DESIGNATED FOR. UM, OUR PROGRAM, UM, HAS A SPANISH REVIVAL MIXED WITH MISSION AND MEDITERRANEAN STYLE ARCHITECTURE. UM, IT DOES HAVE SOME ALTERATIONS, BUT THEY'RE VERY MINOR AND WE STILL FOUND THAT THIS, UM, PROPERTY, UM, DID MEET THE CRITERIA, UM, UH, TO, TO BE DESIGNATED. AND, UM, JUST AS I WAS GONNA MENTION, WE HAVE SEVEN OTHER LOCAL DESIGNATIONS. SO JUST SO EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS, WHEN A PRO PROPERTY IS LOCALLY DESIGNATED, UM, THERE'S RESTRICTIONS ON HOW THE PROPERTY IS, UM, REFURBISHED AND PAINTED AND HOW THE WINDOWS OR DOORS ARE CHANGED OUT AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO, UM, THESE PROPERTIES HAVE TO COME BACK THROUGH THE HISTORIC ARCHITECTURE REVIEW BOARD FOR APPROVAL OF THOSE THINGS ALONG THE WAY. UM, AND THEN JUST AS A SIDE NOTE, WE ALSO HAVE FOUR NATIONALLY REGISTERED, UM, HISTORIC PROPERTIES IN THE CITY. THESE DON'T HAVE THOSE KIND OF REQUIREMENTS. UM, IT'S, IT'S JUST MORE OF A SORT OF A NICE PLAQUE AND NAME, UM, ON THOSE. UM, BUT, UM, SO WITH THAT, THE HISTORIC ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD DID REVIEW THIS ON NOVEMBER 19TH, AND THEY DID, UM, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AND VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO RECOMMEND THAT CITY COUNCIL PASS THIS RESOLUTION. AND WITH THAT STAFF WOULD, UM, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION NUMBER 44 0 2. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTION FOR MS. DIMMER? I HAVE ONE. GO AHEAD. QUICK. UM, I RECEIVED A VOICEMAIL FROM, UM, UH, YOUNG LADY DOWN IN, UH, SOUTH MELBOURNE ABOUT RENA ASKING TO RENAME, UH, CERTAIN STREETS, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE WENT THROUGH WITH, WITH, UH, BUGS AND, AND THOSE THINGS. AND THEN WE PUT DIFFERENT THINGS IN PLACE. I'M NOT GONNA GET INTO THE DEPTH OF IT, BUT THERE WAS A, THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR SIX OR SEVEN STREETS TO BE RENAMED. UM, I'M GONNA PASS THAT VOICEMAIL OFF TO, UH, MS. LAMB OF COURSE. UH, SO WE CAN DETERMINE WHAT IS, UH, JUSTIFIED AND WHAT ISN'T. IS THERE, HAVE WE ESTABLISHED THAT THERE IS ONLY A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF STREETS [01:35:01] OR LOCATIONS THAT AN INDIVIDUAL CAN ASK TO BE RENAMED? AND SO SOMEONE COULD COME LIKE THE, YOU KNOW, COME TO COUNCIL OR ASKED THEIR COUNCIL MEMBER, UM, I WANNA RENAME SEVEN STREETS. I'M GONNA PAY THE, I'M GONNA PAY THE PRICE OF THE, OF THE STREET SIGNS AND I WANNA DO IT ACROSS THE BOARD. IT, SO WE HAVE NO NUMBER OF LIMITATION ON ONE GO, GO BY OR LOOK TO THE CITY MANAGER TO ANSWER THAT. UM, WE DO HAVE A POLICY IN CITY, OR NOT A POLICY, A PROCEDURE IN CITY CODE. MM-HMM . UM, I DON'T, I THINK IT'S STREET BY STREET BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO RESEARCH EACH STREET SEPARATELY. SURE. AND, UM, THEY, WE DON'T HAVE LIKE A NUMBER OF STREETS THAT ARE OPEN FOR RENAMING MM-HMM . WE WOULD HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AND SEE IF THE STREETS WERE NAMED FOR A HISTORIC PURPOSE AND IF IT WAS A REASON, IF THERE IS A REASON TO CHANGE THOSE. BUT PLEASE SEND ME THAT LIKE VOICEMAIL AND WE'LL BE HAPPY. UM, THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT ACTUALLY HANDLES THAT AND ROUTES THAT PROCESS, BUT VERY HAPPY TO LOOK INTO THAT. THANK YOU. THAT, THAT, THAT I WAS, THE VOICEMAIL WAS, I THOUGHT IT WAS THISONE, IT WAS AL ALONE. IT WAS SOMEONE WHO STREETS. BUT I WANT TO ACCOMMODATE OUR CONSTITUENTS, YOU KNOW, AND, AND YOU KNOW, THE HISTORIC VALUE THAT THEY BELIEVE IT BRINGS TO THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I JUST WANTED TO FIND OUT HOW MANY OPPORTUNITIES CAN ONE CITIZEN BRING TO THE TABLE. OKAY. THANKS. ALRIGHT. YEAH, GOOD QUESTION. UH, SO CINDY, UH, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE LOCAL REGISTRY VERSUS THE NATIONAL REGISTRY, BUT THE NATIONAL REGISTRY PROPERTIES DON'T HAVE THE SAME REQUIREMENT TO MAINTAIN THE ARCHITECTURAL AESTHETICS. CORRECT. SO IF YOU MAKE CHANGES TO A NATIONALLY DESIGNATED HISTORIC PROPERTY, THERE'S NOT A, UM, PROCEDURAL BOARD OR REVIEW OR ANYTHING THAT YOU GO THROUGH LOCALLY AT ALL. AT ALL, AT, AT ALL. UM, OUR LOCAL DESIGNATIONS THOUGH, HAVE A VERY, VERY OUTLINED PROCEDURE THAT THEY MUST GO THROUGH TO, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA PUT A NEW ROOF ON OR THEY'RE GONNA CHANGE OUT THE WINDOWS IN THE BUILDING THAT HAS TO COME THROUGH. THE HISTORIC AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD GETS REVIEWED BY OUR HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A HANDFUL OF STEPS THAT GO WITH THAT WHEN YOU CHOOSE TO DO A LOCAL DESIGNATION. AND, AND MY FINAL QUESTION IS, UH, FROM YOUR EXPERIENCE OR, UH, PERSPECTIVE, IS THERE, IS THERE ANY LEGITIMATE BENEFIT, WHETHER IT'S MONETARY OR TOURISM OR NOTORIETY OR ANYTHING? IT, IT'S TYPICALLY, UM, REALLY JUST THE DESIRE, THE PROPERTY DAMAGES. THESE ARE THE, THE SEVEN LOCAL AND, UM, FOR THE MOST PART THEY'RE ALL SINGLE FAMILY USED RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. UM, HELEN BLAZES IS AN EXCEPTION TO THAT. AND THEN THE ROSSER HOUSE, UM, AT 1328, UM, HOUSE AND STREET IS THE OTHER EXCEPTION. SO, YOU KNOW, FIVE OF THE SEVEN ARE JUST PEOPLE LIVING IN THEIR SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT THEY REALLY, THEY LIKE THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THEIR PROPERTY. THEY WANT IT TO STAY THAT WAY BECAUSE ONCE IT'S DESIGNATED, IT, IT, IT DOES REMAIN THAT WAY. IT DOESN'T CHANGE WITH OWNERSHIP OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. UM, IT'S JUST THEIR DESIRE TO DO IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE, UH, ANY SIGNUP SHEET? NO, THIS IS A CAUSE IDEA TO SHOW ITEM ALSO THE DISCLOSURE. NO, NO DISCLOSURES. OKAY. I'LL BREAK BACK TO COUNSEL. DO WE HAVE ANY MOTION? MAYOR, GO AHEAD. MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION. RESOLUTION NUMBER 4, 4 0 2. SECOND. WELL MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE THE FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? VOTE AYE. NOW MOTION PASSES. MOVING ON TO [22. Resolution No. 4403: A resolution amending the Land Alteration Permit Fees.] ITEM NUMBER 22. UH, REPORT ON THIS IS MS. CINDY DI. OKAY. SO, UM, THIS IS A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION AMENDING THE LAND ALTERATION, UM, PERMIT FEES SPECIFIC TO UNDERBRUSH AND TREE REMOVAL FEES. UM, COUNSEL MAY RECALL LAST APRIL, UM, UH, COUNSEL APPROVED AN ORDINANCE THAT WE DID PRETTY MAJOR UPDATES TO OUR LANDSCAPE, UM, DESIGN CODE, UM, ALONG WITH ADOPTING RESOLUTION 43 39, WHICH UPDATED THE, UM, DEVELOPMENT FEES RELATED SPECIFICALLY TO LAND ALTERATION PERMITS, TREE PERMITTING AND FEES, UM, OF THAT NATURE. MM-HMM . IF COUNCIL RECALLS BACK THEN, UM, WE, WE LET YOU KNOW THAT OUR TREE REMOVAL, UM, FEES HAD NOT BEEN UPDATED IN PROBABLY WELL OVER 30 YEARS. AND THAT, UM, ESSENTIALLY WHAT IT WAS ALLOWING WAS YOU COULD TAKE A HUNDRED ACRE, UM, PIECE OF PROPERTY AND WE WOULD ALLOW YOU TO CLEAR IT FOR $10 A TREE UP TO A MAXIMUM OF THOUSAND DOLLARS. AND THAT'S ALL THAT HAD TO BE DONE. AND WHAT WAS HAPPENING WITH THAT IS THERE WAS NOBODY ATTEMPTING TO DO ANY TYPE OF TREE PRESERVATION ON PROPERTIES. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL DIRECTED STAFF TO TAKE A LOOK AT AND BRING BACK, UM, YOU KNOW, PROPOSED FEES. AND SO, UM, WE DID, UM, WE DID RESEARCH A NUMBER OF OTHER CITY CITIES. WE RECOMMENDED, UM, BASICALLY A SCALE THAT STARTED, UM, CHARGING A TREE REMOVAL FEE BASED ON THE, UM, THE DIAMETER OF THE TREE. AND THOSE FEES RAISED RANGED INTO THE 100 [01:40:01] AND $200 PER INCH, UM, OF THE TREE. UM, THE INTENT OF THAT WAS TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, PROPERTY OWNERS, DEVELOPERS TO START THINKING ABOUT TREE PRESERVATION AND TO GET SOME TREE PRESERVATIONS, UM, TREE PRESERVATION OCCURRING. UM, SO SINCE THAT TIME WE'VE SORT OF TAKEN A LOOK BACKWARDS, UM, AT THE CUMULATIVE EFFECT THAT WE'VE SEEN ON SOME OF THE PROPERTIES. UM, PARTICULARLY SOME LARGE PROPERTIES THAT HAVE BEEN HEAVILY TREE WHERE WE'VE SEEN, UM, THE ABILITY OF THESE FEES TO, UM, TOTAL INTO THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. UM, WE'VE ALSO SEEN SOME SMALL INFILL TYPE LOTS THAT HAPPEN TO HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, FAIRLY TREE, UM, SO SMALL, LOTS ACRE, TWO ACRE LOTS, YOU KNOW, THAT WERE BEING, UM, THEIR CALCULATION WAS THEY WERE UP INTO A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR, YOU KNOW, A VERY SMALL LOT AND A SMALL DEVELOPMENT. SO, UM, WE, WE TOOK A LOOK AGAIN AT SOME OTHER CITIES TO STEP BACK TO THINK ABOUT HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE KEEP THIS IN A LITTLE MORE PER PERSPECTIVE. UM, YOU KNOW, THE CITY'S MISSION IS TO, UM, PARTICULARLY, YOU KNOW, ENCOURAGE REDEVELOPMENT AND INFILL, UM, ALONG WITH DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, OF OUR, UM, LARGER PARCELS THAT WE STILL HAVE IN THE CITY. UM, SO, UM, IN DOING THAT, WE ARE PROPOSING DENIED, UM, A COUPLE OF CHANGES, UM, THAT, UM, WE THINK WILL PUT THIS BACK IN PERSPECTIVE. THERE'S REALLY FOUR THINGS THAT WE'RE, UM, PROPOSING TO CHANGE IN THE FEES. UM, THE FIRST ONE, THE BULLET THERE IS JUST, UM, CURRENTLY THERE'S UM, DIFFERENT CATEGORIES OF ACREAGE, UM, THAT CHARGES ADDITIONAL UNDERBRUSH CLEARING, UM, FEES. THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT HAPPENS WHEN A PROPERTY, UM, JUST WANTS TO CLEAR OUT THE UNDERBRUSH, THE, THE, THE SAW PALMETTOS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA PROPOSE CHANGE IN THAT TO JUST A HUNDRED DOLLARS APPLICATION FEE. UM, THAT'S USUALLY A USEFUL THING, UM, WHEN THAT'S HAPPENING. THEY'RE NOT REMOVING TREES. UM, WITH THAT, UM, THE NEXT BULLET THERE IS REALLY TO TRY TO ADDRESS WHAT WE'VE SEEN IS THAT THAT CUMULATIVE LARGE NUMBER, UM, FOR TREE, UM, REMOVAL FEES THAT HAS, UM, WE FOUND ON SEVERAL PROPERTIES. UM, SO WE CAME UP WITH A MAXIMUM CAP. AND SO WE LOOKED AT A LOT OF THE PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN IN, UM, THAT WE HAVE IN UNDER REVIEW TO SORT OF SEE WHERE SOME OF THOSE THRESHOLDS ARE. AND WE'RE RECOMMENDING THESE, UM, CATEGORIES AS YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN THAT'S CONTAINED IN THE RESOLUTION, UM, AS A MAXIMUM CAP. AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE COULD BE THE ABILITY, YOU KNOW, THEN FOR, YOU KNOW, LARGER PROPERTIES, HEAVILY TREE, UM, IN, IN THIS CASE THEIR 400,000, UM, WOULD BE THE MAXIMUM, UM, TREE PERMIT ALLOWED. SO IF WE KEEP IN PERSPECTIVE THAT NOT, NOT EVEN A YEAR AGO, THEY COULD HAVE PAID A THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR THEIR TREE REMOVAL PERMIT, UM, I STILL THINK THAT WE'RE STILL MAKING THE DEVELOPERS THINK ABOUT, HEY, MAYBE WE SHOULD TRY TO PRESERVE SOME OF THESE TREES AND NOT HAVE THIS HIGH, HIGH CHARGE. UM, THE THIRD BULLET THERE, UM, ALSO, AGAIN, TO TRY TO, TO BRING THAT AMOUNT DOWN, WE'RE, WE'RE PROPOSING TO MAKE ALL OF THEM, UM, A HUNDRED DOLLARS PER INCH, UM, OF THE DIAMETER OF THE TREE, UM, INSTEAD OF IT RATCHETING UP FOR THE ACREAGE OF PROPERTIES. AND THEN, UM, THE, THE FOURTH BULLET THERE, UM, WE ARE, UM, SINCE WE'RE PROVIDING THESE CAPS, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE, WE DO HAVE DIFFICULTY WITH ON OCCASION IS IF, UM, DEVELOPERS DON'T GET PERMITS, DON'T GET TREE REMOVAL FEES, THE TREES ARE GONE, WHAT DO YOU DO? AND SO WE'RE PROPOSING AT, AT THAT POINT THAT THEY WOULD HAVE THAT MAXIMUM CAP RATE BASED ON THEIR ACREAGE, UM, THAT THEY BE CHARGED. AND, UM, AND SO WITH THAT, UM, STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION NUMBER 44 0 3 VICE MAYOR. I, I I DID GO. YES, GO AHEAD. UM, FIRST OF ALL, UH, I WANNA THANK YOU CINDY AND JENNY AND THE REST OF YOUR TEAMS THAT WORKED ON THIS. I KNOW THAT I GOT A FEW PHONE CALLS FROM LOCAL BUSINESSES ON THIS ISSUE AND I THINK THAT THIS HELPS. I THINK YOU GUYS DID A GREAT JOB THREATENING THE NEED. ALL ONLY HEARD GREAT FEEDBACK AND SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU GUYS GET THE PRAISE YOU DESERVE FOR FINDING A SOLUTION ON THIS. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS. ANYBODY ELSE? UM, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NEW LAND, NEW DEVELOPMENT. WHAT ABOUT EXISTING LAND AND EXISTING DEVELOPMENT WHERE, AND I WILL GIVE YOU A A, UH, AN EXAMPLE. UM, IN MY CONDOMINIUM COMPLEX, UH, WE HAVE DETERMINED, OR, OR THE BOARD HAS DETERMINED HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION, UH, THAT THERE ARE TREES THAT WERE PLANTED YEARS AGO AND NOT, UH, PERMITTED OR GIVEN THE BOARD APPROVAL. UH, SO THEY WANT TO REMOVE THESE TREES. SO WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? I MEAN, VERSUS, YOU KNOW, FIVE ACRES, 10 ACRES, 20 ACRES, OTHER THAN DEVELOPMENT, WHAT ABOUT EXISTING PROPERTIES WHERE A TREE MAY BE [01:45:01] 20 YEARS OLD, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. OKAY. IS THAT PART OF THIS PERMITTING PROCESS? SO THE ONE THING THAT THAT COUNSEL, UM, APPROVED IN IN APRIL, UM, IN THE FEE RESOLUTION, UM, AND IT'S ALSO STATUTORY REQUIREMENT. UM, WE DON'T CHARGE ANY FEES FOR SINGLE, UM, I THINK IT'S ONE, TWO, AND THREE FAMILY, UM, RESIDENTS. SO THOSE, THOSE ARE NOT CHARGED ANY FEE, UM, FOR TREE REMOVAL. A CONDOMINIUM WOULD BE A MULTIFAMILY MORE IN THE COMMERCIAL CATEGORY. SURE. SO IF, UM, BUT IF THE CONDO ASSOCIATION IS LOOKING AT REMOVING, UM, FEES, TREES, NOW IF THEY'RE DISEASED OR, YOU KNOW, THERE'S PROBLEMS WITH THEM, THERE'S EXCEPTIONS YEAH. FOR THAT UHHUH. UM, BUT IF THEY'RE HEALTHY, GOOD TREES AND THERE'S JUST, UH, WE, WE DON'T WANNA HAVE THEM ANYMORE, THEY WOULD PAY, UM, THE, THE FEE AMOUNT THAT WAS ESTABLISHED IN APRIL BASED ON, UM, YOU KNOW, ON THE, THE FEE, UH, THE DIAMETER DEPENDS ON IF THERE ARE PALM TREES AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT AND, YOU KNOW, SO, SO THEY'RE BASING THE DECISION ON THAT TREES WERE PLANTED EARLY ON BY RESIDENTS WHO DID NOT HAVE PERMISSION TO PLANT THOSE TREES AS CLOSE TO THE BUILDINGS. AND SO THE, SO THE TREES IN AND THEMSELVES ARE CREATING DAMAGE TO THE TREES, I MEAN, TO THE, TO THE BUILDING. I, I APOLOGIZE. UH, SO THAT'S MY QUESTION, YOU KNOW, DOES IT, IS IT ALSO, IS THIS ENC, UM, ENCOMPASS WHAT A, A CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATION, NOT A HOME, NOT A SINGLE, UH, FAMILY HOME, BUT ANY, ANY MULTIFAMILY OF THAT SORT? I WOULD THAT WOULD THEY HAVE TO COME TO THE CITY TO ACQUIRE A PERMIT AND PAY A FEE TO TAKE THOSE TREES DOWN? YES. OKAY. THAT'S ALL I NEED TO KNOW. OKAY. THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE HAPPY WITH MY ANSWER, . THANK YOU. OKAY, MARK, UH, ? NO SIR. ANYTHING ELSE? ALRIGHT, DO WE HAVE A ACTION ON THIS ITEM? MAYOR, GO AHEAD. A RESOLUTION 40, UM, RESOLUTION OF NUMBER 44 0 3. APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION 44 0 3. SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION WHO SECOND IT? MS. PASS. ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE. AYE THAT MOTION PASSES. MOVING ON TO ITEM 23. [23. Ordinance No. 2026-04, Business Promotions: (First Reading) An ordinance amending Chapter 2, Article X of the Melbourne City Code relating to special activity permits; increasing the frequency and duration of events (business promotions) on private property.] REPORT ON THIS, UH, ACTUALLY, ORDINANCE 26 0 4. UH, MR. CONLEY. THANK YOU MAYOR. AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, RELATING TO SPECIAL ACTIVITY PERMITS MAKING FINDINGS AMENDING CHAPTER TWO OF THE CITY CODE ENTITLED ADMINISTRATION AMENDING ARTICLE 10, SPECIAL ACTIVITY PERMITS AMENDING SECTION TWO DASH 6 73. DEFINITIONS AMENDING SECTION TWO DASH 6 86. FREQUENCY AND DURATION OF EVENTS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, PROVIDING FOR INTERPRETATION, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE, AND PROVIDING AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE. THANK YOU. IMPORTANT ON THIS IS MR. MCEWEN? YES, SIR. THANK YOU, MAYOR. COUNCIL. MAYOR, REMEMBER THAT CONVERSATION HELD THAT THE OCTOBER 28TH, UH, 2025 REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING WITH A LOCAL BUSINESS OWNER WHO CAME FORWARD UNDER PUBLIC COMMENTS TO DISCUSS BUSINESS PROMOTIONS AND EFFECTIVELY SPECIAL EVENTS HELD ON PRIVATE PROPERTY AND COUNCIL'S DIRECTION WAS TO, UH, HAVE STAFF RESEARCH POSSIBLE INTENSITIES AND, AND INCREASING THOSE INTENSITIES FOR EVENTS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. AND SO THIS PROPOSED ORDINANCE IN FRONT OF YOU INCREASES, UM, THE FREQUENCY OF EVENTS FOR, UM, BUSINESSES ON PRIVATE PROPERTY AND SLIGHTLY, UH, CHANGES THE DEFINITION OF A BUSINESS PROMOTION. BUT I'D LIKE TO POINT YOU TO THE SCREEN AS THERE, THERE'S A SLIGHT NUANCE TO THIS BECAUSE THE CODE RECOGNIZES THE DEFINITION OF A BUSINESS PROMOTION AND A SPECIAL EVENT, AND THAT REALLY IS A DISTINGUISHING FACTOR IN US JUST FOR APPLICATION PERIODS, RIGHT? IF, IF A BUSINESS WANTS TO COME FORWARD AND PUT UP A BANNER, THEY DON'T NEED 30 DAYS, UM, OF TIME TO WAIT TO DO THAT. WE CAN TURN THAT AROUND IN A DAY OR SO. SO A A BUSINESS PROMOTION HAS AN APPLICATION, YOU KNOW, PERIOD, UH, APPLICATION DEADLINE THAT'S MUCH SHORTER, WHEREAS, UM, A SPECIAL EVENT MIGHT HAVE MORE LEVEL OF REVIEW TO IT. AND SO IN, IN CRAFTING THE LANGUAGE HERE, STAFF JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTOOD YOUR INTENT IN, IN THAT DISCUSSION IN OCTOBER. SO THE WAY OPTION A IS WORDED IS HOW THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN NOW. SO ESSENTIALLY AN APPLICANT WOULD BE ABLE TO CONDUCT A SPECIAL EVENT FOR A TH A TOTAL OF 30 DAYS PER CALENDAR YEAR. AND YOU'LL RECALL WE DO THOSE IN AND WE COUNT THEM IN FIVE DAY INCREMENTS. SO YOU CAN ESSENTIALLY HAVE SIX EVENTS A YEAR AND, UH, WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE ORDINANCE AS WRITTEN, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO CONDUCT BUSINESS PROMOTIONS FOR AN ADDITIONAL 30 DAYS PER YEAR. AND SO THAT'S ESSENTIALLY 30 DAYS OF SPECIAL EVENTS AND 30 DAYS OF BUSINESS PROMOTIONS, OR YOU COULD USE THAT AS 60 DAYS OF BUSINESS PROMOTIONS, WHATEVER IT IS. THE POINT IS THAT WE SORT OF TRACK THAT IN ONE BUCKET. AND SO, UM, IN CRAFTING THIS LANGUAGE, AS I SAID, WE, WE WANTED TO PRESENT OPTION B TO MAKE SURE, UH, WE UNDERSTOOD YOUR DIRECTION. [01:50:01] UM, OPTION B, IF YOU GO IN THAT DIRECTION, WE WOULD SLIGHTLY AMEND THE LANGUAGE THAT'S IN THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE, UM, FOR A SECOND READING, BUT ESSENTIALLY WOULD GIVE AN APPLICANT THE ABILITY TO CONDUCT BUSINESS PROMOTIONS FOR 60 DAYS AND THEN THEY WOULD RETAIN THEIR FREQUENCY OF, UM, SPECIAL EVENTS FOR 30 DAYS, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY A TOTAL OF 90 DAYS FOR SPECIAL EVENTS. SO WE WERE WANTING TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTOOD HOW FREQUENTLY YOU WANTED, UH, BUSINESSES, UH, TO HAVE EVENTS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. AND AGAIN, DISTINGUISHING BETWEEN, UH, A BUSINESS PROMOTION, WHICH MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE CITY SERVICES OR AS, UH, EASY AS BANNERS AND TEMPORARY SIGNS VERSUS SOMETHING THAT GOES A LITTLE BIT BEYOND THAT, UM, BUT MAY OR MAY NOT REQUIRE, UM, CITY SERVICES AT THE EVENT. AND SO, IF, IF I'VE EXPLAINED THAT CORRECTLY FOR YOU, UM, UH, THE RECOMMENDED ACTION FOR STAFF IS TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 2026 DASH OH FOUR, AND THAT WOULD REFLECT, UM, OPTION A, UM, IN THE SCREEN BEFORE YOU, AND IF, IF YOU NEEDED FURTHER EXAMPLES, I HAVE ANOTHER SLIDE IF NEEDED TO BREAK THAT DOWN FOR YOU. OKAY. MAYOR, ANY QUESTIONS? CAN WE SEE THE OTHER SLIDE? SURE. YOU GO TO THE NEXT ONE, JUSTICE. SO IN, IN THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN NOW, YOU COULD SEE A, A SCENARIO WHERE A, A BUSINESS PUTS UP A BANNER FOR FIVE DAYS EVERY MONTH OF THE YEAR, RIGHT? AND USES ALL 60 DAYS THAT THEY HAVE, UM, TOWARDS JUST HAVING A BUSINESS PROMOTION. WE HAVE A LOT OF BUSINESSES THAT COME IN AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR AND THEY FILL OUT ONE APPLICATION AND THEY SAY, I'M GONNA PUT A BANNER UP FOR, UM, FIVE DAYS, THESE SIX MONTHS. UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THOSE ARE LIKE TAX BUSINESSES. THEY'LL, THEY'LL PUT THEM UP FOR A PERIOD OF TIME AND THEN THE LAST WEEK THAT TAXES ARE DUE. UM, IN THAT SCENARIO, A BUSINESS OWNER COULD ALSO HOST AN EVENT BEYOND A BUSINESS PROMOTION, MAYBE LIKE A PARKING LOT PARTY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND PUT UP BANNERS IN BETWEEN. SO THEY WOULD HAVE THEIR SIX TIMES FOR BUSINESS PROMOTION. MAYBE THEY WANNA PUT BANNERS UP EVERY OTHER MONTH. AND THEN IN THE MONTHS IN BETWEEN THAT MAKE UP THE REST OF THE YEAR, THEY COULD HAVE LIKE A PARKING LOT PARTY OR SOMETHING THAT GOES BEYOND A BUSINESS PROMOTION. UM, AND THEN IN THE EXPANDED OPTION WHERE THEY WOULD HAVE AN ADDITIONAL 30 DAYS, UM, THEY COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE PUTTING UP A BANNER FOR FIVE DAYS OF THE MONTH AND HOSTING SIX ADDITIONAL EVENTS. SO OPTION B PROVIDES THEM MORE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE, UM, EVENTS AND BUSINESS PROMOTIONS ON THEIR PROPERTY. UM, BUT THE WAY WE INTERPRETED YOUR DIRECTION, YOUR PUSHED US TOWARDS THE OPTION A NO, GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD, . SO, UH, IS THERE ANY REASON WHY OPTION B WOULD NOT BE, UH, FAVORABLE OR, I THINK THE MAIN, UH, PERSPECTIVE FOR ME IS JUST THAT IT PUTS US IN A POSITION TO TRACK SORT OF TWO BUCKETS, RIGHT? SO YOU, WE, WHEN A BUSINESS COMES IN AND SAYS, I'D LIKE TO PUT BANNERS UP, WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE NOT EXPENDED THEIR CURRENT 30 DAY ALLOWANCE. AND SO IF WE ADD THIS SORT OF EXTRA BUCKET WHERE THEY COULD HAVE 60 DAYS OF PURELY BUSINESS PROMOTIONS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO TRACK THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO. I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT THAT WOULD CONFUSE BUSINESS OWNERS WHO AREN'T NECESSARILY CONCERNED WITH THE NUANCES OF THE CITY'S SPECIAL ACTIVITY CODE AND JUST WANT TO DO ACTIVITY ON THEIR PRIVATE PROPERTY. AND SO I THINK OPTION A PROVIDES, UH, AN EASIER INTERPRETATION FOR, FOR US. I KNOW THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HAD SOME COMMENTS AS WELL. AND, AND, AND TO THAT POINT, AND, AND FROM PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE AND, AND WHAT I HEARD TONIGHT MAY BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT TO HELP ME IF I'M, IF I'M MIS MISUNDERSTANDING IT, KEVIN, UH, THE FROM COUNCIL'S ORIGINAL, UM, DIRECTION AND INTENT, THE GOAL WAS TO TRY TO EXPAND SOMETHING UP TO WHAT WE MIGHT CALL A PARKING LOT PARTY, EVEN EVEN WITH ALCOHOL, SO LONG AS IT DIDN'T OTHERWISE REQUIRE CITY SERVICES, THAT WE WERE STILL EFFECTIVELY CALLING THAT A BUSINESS PROMOTION TYPE OF SPECIAL EVENT OR SUBCATEGORY OF SPECIAL EVENT. AND SO OPTION A WAS EFFECTIVELY GIVING, YOU KNOW, INTERCOASTAL WHO CAME IN, OTHER, OTHER SIMILAR PROPERTY OWNERS AND AND BUSINESS OWNERS, YOU, BECAUSE EVEN WITHIN THESE 60 AND 30 DAY TIMEFRAMES, RIGHT, IT'S STILL IN FIVE DAY INTERVALS, RIGHT? SO WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT, DO YOU HAVE SIX OPPORTUNITIES A YEAR? DO YOU HAVE 12 OPPORTUNITIES A YEAR TO DO THESE THINGS? AND SO OPTION A EFFECTIVELY GIVES YOUR INTERCOASTAL BREWERIES AND OTHER SIMILAR BUSINESSES A A DECISION, A DECISION EVERY MONTH. I, I CAN EITHER DO 12 PARKING LOT PARTIES, SO LONG AS THEY STILL MEET THE DEFINITION OF A BUSINESS PROMOTION AT THAT SCALE EVENT, I CAN GO, I CAN NOW DOUBLE FROM ONCE EVERY OTHER MONTH TO ONCE A MONTH TO HOST THAT TYPE OF EVENT. OR IF I, IF I SO CHOOSE FROM UP TO ONE TO SIX OF THOSE ON, ON ANY, ON ANY GIVEN TIMEFRAME, ONE E EACH ONE [01:55:01] OF THOSE FIVE DAY EVENTS, I CAN DO SOMETHING MORE, RIGHT? SO I STILL HAVE MY 30 DAYS AND FIVE DAY INTERVALS OF ANY SIZE SCALE OF SPECIAL EVENT THAT I CAN LOGISTICALLY FIT ON MY PRIVATE PROPERTY, RIGHT? NEEDING, NEEDING CITY SERVICES, NEEDING, UH, YOU KNOW, INSPECTIONS FOR TENTS, INSPECTIONS FOR WHATEVER, RIGHT? THAT, THAT SCALE OF, OF EVENT, OR I CAN DO 12. YOU CAN, YOU COULD PUT ALL 60 DAYS TOWARDS BUSINESS PROMOTIONS, AND THAT COULD BE ANYTHING FROM A BANNER UP TO THE UP TO THOSE PARKING LOT PARTIES. UM, OPTION B WOULD THEN, TO KEVIN'S POINT, EXPAND THAT EVEN FURTHER, RIGHT? YOU'D EFFECTIVELY HAVE 60 DAYS OF BUSINESS PROMOTIONS PLUS YOUR 30 DAYS OF EVEN LARGER SCALE EVENTS. AND SO YOU CAN END UP, IT, IT'S REALLY A, IT'S REALLY A FUNCTION OF CONSIDER FOR EVERY COMMERCIAL PROPERTY WITHIN THE CITY, HOW OFTEN ARE THEY HAVING SPECIAL EVENTS ON THEIR, ON THEIR PROPERTY THAT MAY REQUIRE CITY SERVICES, MAY BE TAKING UP REQUIRED PARKING, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE DISRUPTING OTHER NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES TO, TO CERTAIN EXTENTS, RIGHT? SO THAT'S, BUT, BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO PRESENT THESE TWO OPTIONS. 'CAUSE WE WEREN'T A HUNDRED PERCENT CLEAR ON WHERE COUNCIL WAS HEADED OR, OR WHAT THE UNDERLYING INTENT WAS FROM OCTOBER. AND SO WANTED TO, UM, HAVE THIS DISCUSSION AND MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTOOD IT FOR, FOR PURPOSES OF THE, OF THE FINAL ORDINANCE. MAYOR, GOOD ADVICE. MAYOR. I THINK, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, UM, THIS WAS BROUGHT UP BECAUSE, UH, A BUSINESS OWNER CAME UP AND WANTED TO DO THINGS LIKE FUNDRAISERS AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT ON THEIR PROPERTY, AND THEY NEEDED THIS, UM, BUSINESS PROMOTION TO DO SO, AND WANTED TO DO MORE OF THEM AND OFFER MORE OF THEM AT THEIR BUSINESS. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S, THAT'S ESSENTIALLY CORRECT. I MEAN, UM, INTERCOASTAL BREWERY USES THEIR SIX EVENTS EVERY YEAR. THEY HAVE, UM, SORT OF SIGNATURE EVENTS THEY DO, AND I THINK THEY'RE JUST LOOKING FOR ADDITIONAL ROOM TO DO MORE, MAYBE, MAYBE LESS EVENT TYPE THINGS AND MORE, LIKE YOU SAID, FUNDRAISERS OR THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT, UM, THEY WOULDN'T OTHERWISE BE ABLE TO DO WITHOUT A SPECIAL ACTIVITY PERMIT OR, OR BUSINESS PROMOTION FROM THE CITY. RIGHT? I WOULD LIKE TO AFFORD THEM THAT OPPORTUNITY TO DO MORE OF THE FUNDRAISING AND THINGS LIKE THAT ON THEIR PROPERTY. I'M NOT SURE WHERE IT FITS IN HERE. THEY, THEY CAN DO AN EITHER. UM, I, I THINK THE, THE WAY, UM, WE WOULD PREFER TO DO IT IS THAT OPTION A, BECAUSE NUMBER ONE, WE COULD, UM, TRACK THAT A LITTLE EASIER FOR THEM. AND I, I THINK THEY WOULD GET LOST IN THE NUANCE BETWEEN, WELL, I THOUGHT I HAD SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT, NOT A BUSINESS PERMIT. UM, I, I THINK THAT WOULD BE EASIER FOR THE APPLICANTS THAT COME THROUGH OUR DOORS. UM, AND THEN TO ADAM'S POINT, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, WE CAN CONTINUE TO TRACK THAT. AND IF PEOPLE COME ARE COMING FORWARD AND SAYING, THAT'S STILL NOT ENOUGH, WE CAN RETURN AND SAY WE'RE GETTING FEEDBACK THAT THEY WANT TO HAVE MORE AND MORE. BUT THEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT POTENTIALLY ALLOWING, UM, MORE EVENTS THAT REQUIRE CITY SERVICES, MORE INSPECTIONS, MORE POLICE OFFICERS, THINGS LIKE THAT, AND MORE STRESS ON THE CITY. SO WE THOUGHT OPTION A WAS SORT OF THE FIRST STEP TO ALLOW, ALLOW INTERCOASTAL AND, AND SIMILAR BUSINESSES TO DO, TO DO MORE ON THEIR PRIVATE PROPERTY. OKAY. THAT'S A GOOD EXPLANATION. YEAH. UH, SIR, UM, SO, UH, JOHN FROM, UH, INTERCOSTAL DID, UM, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT FOR, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, IN INTERCOSTAL AND, UH, SOME OF THE OTHER, UH, BUSINESSES THAT WE SEE AROUND, UM, OUR CITY. UH, SO I, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO, TO PULL ONE FROM THE OTHER BECAUSE I'M JUST GONNA USE INTRA COASTAL BREWERY AS, AS AN EXAMPLE, THIS INDUSTRY, THE RESTAURANT AND HOSPITALITY INDUSTRY IS, IS GETTING THEIR BUTTS KICKED THIS YEAR. I KNOW. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. SO I, I, I'M OKAY WITH OPTION A, BUT WITH THE OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE TO OPTION B, ONCE WE CONSOLIDATE WHAT WE'RE DOING AND HAVE A, A CONVERSATION WITH THE FOLKS THAT ARE, THAT ARE COMING TO US ABOUT THIS VERY THING. SO I DON'T WANT TO, I REALLY DON'T WANT TO, UH, STOP THEM FROM BEING ABLE TO SURVIVE IN THIS ENVIRONMENT. UM, SO, UH, IF IT'S EASIER FOR, FOR YOUR SI FOR YOUR OFFICE TO TRACK IT AND EASIER FOR YOU TO DO THAT, YOU DON'T HAVE 20 PEOPLE ON YOUR STAFF. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO, SO I, I DON'T WANT TO GO AGAINST WHAT YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS, KEVIN, BUT I DO WANT TO HAVE THAT PATHWAY OPEN THAT IF IT'S NOT WORKING FOR, FOR, AND IT'S NOT JUST INTERCOSTAL BREWERY, THEY WERE JUST AN EXAMPLE. THEY SAT BACK THERE AND THEY CAME, CAME TO ME TO COME TO YOU. SO I'LL, I'LL GO WITH A, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN, TO SEE HOW IT GOES. BUT I MEAN, I'M REALLY LEANING TOWARDS B BUT BASED ON YOUR RECOMMENDATION THAT IT'S EASIER FOR YOUR OFFICE AND BETTER TO TRACK, WE'LL START WITH THAT. I, I MEAN, I, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE START WITH THAT. YEAH. AND, AND, AND, UH, MR. CURTIS' RECOMMENDATION WAS, I THINK, UH, TO, I THINK VICE MAYOR KENNEDY ASKED HOW, [02:00:01] HOW MANY OR SOMEONE DID, HOW MANY WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE? AND HE SAID, ONE, ONE A MONTH WOULD BE GOOD. YEAH. AND SO IF, IF WE DO THAT FOR THE NEXT YEAR, AND HE, HE SAYS, YOU KNOW, I, I REALLY NEED TO HAVE MORE, WE CAN, WE CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. AND, UM, HAPPY TO TALK TO HIM ABOUT THAT. YEAH, IT'S REALLY SIMPLE STUFF. I MEAN, THEY OPENED UP THEIR PARKING LOT, THEIR PARKING LOT AND HAVE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, SOME, SOME SORT OF A CONCERT OF SORTS, YOU KNOW, THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE CITY SERVICES, DOESN'T REQUIRE ANYTHING FROM US AT ALL, AND IT'S ALL ON THEM, AND THEY JUST NEED THE BLESSING OVER THE HOLLOW SORTS, YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST TO GET IT DONE, ESSENTIALLY. IN, IN SOME OF THE CASES, IT'S SIMPLY A PIECE OF PAPER THAT SAYS YOU CAN HAVE THAT SIGN THERE THAT YOU CAN'T NORMALLY HAVE. AND LIKE, LIKE I SAID, THE CURRENT DEADLINE IS, UM, I THINK THREE BUSINESS DAYS, WE CAN TURN IT AROUND IN A DAY ONCE THEY APPLY. SO WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT EASY FOR THEM WHEN THEY HAVE THAT, THAT NEED. SO I THINK YOU DID A GREAT JOB ON IT, KEVIN. AND, AND SO WE'RE TAKING DOWN SOME OF THE HURDLES OF THE, UH, THINGS THAT ARE PREVENTING BUSINESSES TO DO WHAT THEY DO BEST. OKAY. THANK YOU, KEVIN. OKAY, GOOD. OH, AND THEN JUST REAL QUICK, UH, AND , SO IT'S MORE SUBJECTIVE TOWARDS YOU, I, I AGREE, UH, WITH YOU ABOUT THE OPTION B BEING SOMETHING THAT I KIND OF LIKE, BUT I'M ALSO IN FAVOR OF MORE OF AN INCREMENTAL CHANGE TO MAKE SURE. SO IF YOU TALK TO YOUR, YOUR CONSTITUENTS BROUGHT IT UP, SO WHEN YOUR CONSTITUENTS LOOK AT IT, IF FOR WHATEVER REASON IN THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS, THEY'RE LIKE, HEY, LISTEN, THIS WAS A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN WE WANTED. I WOULD, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SUPPORT YOU. BRING IT BACK AND SAYING, LET'S DO OPTION B AND EXPAND THIS THING. THANK YOU. YEAH. OKAY. SO WE GOOD ON THAT? YEP. ALRIGHT. SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION? YES, SIR. MAYOR, GO AHEAD, MA'AM. APPROVAL ORDINANCE 2026 DASH FOUR SECOND. OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND BY MR. NEWMAN. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? HOW VOTE A AND A MOTION PASSES. MOVE ON TO [24. Discussion regarding the Beautification and Energy Efficiency Board.] ITEM NUMBER 24. REPORTING ON, THIS IS JENNIFER . ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING AGAIN. UM, THIS ITEM, UH, IS TO DISCUSS THE FUTURE OF THE BEAUTIFICATION AND ENERGY EFFICIENCY BOARD ON, UH, JANUARY 20TH. THE, UH, BEEB, WHICH IS THE VACATION EFFICIENCY BOARD, UH, CHAIR PERON, UM, SUBMITTED A MEMO, MEMO TO COUNCIL OR TO THE CITY MANAGER TO COUNCIL, UM, INDICATING FRUSTRATION WITH A LACK OF PERCEIVED INTEREST OR PARTICIPATION IN THE BE'S MISSION. AND ASKED IS LOOKING FOR POSSIBLE OUTCOMES, UM, FOR CITY COUNCIL TO EITHER PROVIDE A RECOMMITMENT TO THE RENEWABLE ENERGY GOALS THAT THE BE, UM, WAS DEVELOPED FOR, OR, UM, TO POSSIBLY CONSIDER A DISSOLUTION OF THE BEEP BOARD. AND, UM, JUST ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE DIRECTIONS FROM THE APPROVAL OF THE ORDINANCE BACK IN 2017 WAS FOR THE BOARD'S DUTIES TO INCLUDE, UM, DEVELOPMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY PLAN FOR CITY OPERATIONS WITH A GOAL TO ACHIEVE A HUNDRED PERCENT CLEAN ENERGY BY ORIGINALLY 2035. UM, LAST YEAR IT WAS A REQUESTED CHANGE TO 2045, AND THAT WAS BASED ON THE BEEB'S INFORMATION THAT THEY HAD ON JUST WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE MARKET RIGHT NOW AS FAR AS, UM, WITH TARIFFS, WITH, WITH PRICE INCREASES. YOU KNOW, YOU JUST CAN'T DO AS MUCH AS QUICKLY, AND YOU CAN'T EVEN GET A LOT OF PARTS AND PIECES TO, TO DO, UM, SOME OF THE PROJECTS. SO THROUGH THEIR TRACKING, THEY HAVE, THEY FELT LIKE THEY COULDN'T MEET THE ORIGINAL GOAL, THAT THE CITY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO MEET THE ORIGINAL GOAL. AND NOW THEY'RE NOT SURE EVEN THAT THEY COULD MEET THE GOAL BY 2045. UM, SO THEY PROVIDED A MEMO, STAFF PROVIDED A MEMO, UM, JUST WITH SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, UM, AGAIN, TIMELINE OF THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE BY THE BOARD AND, UM, . AND THEN WE HAVE SOME MEETING MINUTES AND COUNCIL POLICIES AND THE ANNUAL REPORTS. AND, UM, BASICALLY THIS IS JUST FOR A DISCUSSION OF WHERE TO GO FROM HERE. THERE WERE, UM, TWO BOARD MEMBERS WHOSE TERMS WERE UP THAT HAVE NOT, UM, DECIDED IF THEY WANTED TO STAY ON THE BOARD BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO HEAR FROM THE BOARD. AND, UM, BUT WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OTHER APPLICATIONS, BUT WE DIDN'T NECESSARILY WANNA APPOINT ANYBODY NEW IF WE DIDN'T [02:05:01] KNOW WHERE THIS BOARD WAS GOING. UM, AND WHETHER OR NOT COUNSEL WANTS TO KEEP THE BOARD OR NOT, IF THEY DON'T, UM, BUT COUNSEL STILL WANTS STAFF TO CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH TRYING TO ACHIEVE THESE GOALS. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, COULD ALSO BE CONSIDERED. SO IT'S REALLY FOR, YEAH. OKAY. DISCUSSION. IT'S A REALLY DISCUSSION. SO GO AHEAD AND START MR. SMITH. YEAH. UH, MAYOR, UH, SO I, I LOOKED AT THIS AND I THOUGHT ABOUT THIS, BUT I THINK MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE THAT AS WE'VE BEEN TALKING THE LAST FEW COUNCIL MEETINGS, THAT MAYBE WE NEED TO LOOK AT OUR OVERALL MUNICIPAL BOARD STRATEGY JUST IN GENERAL. UH, 'CAUSE I'M THE BEEP BOARD, AND, UH, I'M, NOW, I'VE BEEN TO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UH, BOARD, UH, ATTENDED THE, THE CITIZEN ADVISORY BOARD MEETINGS. YOU GOT THE HAR SO, I MEAN, BEFORE WE KIND OF MAKE A DECISION HERE, I DON'T, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE IF THIS BOARD IS HELPING US TO RE REACH A BIGGER PICTURE FOR THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BUT ALONG WITH THAT, WHAT WE MAYBE NEED TO LOOK AT ALL OF OUR BOARDS, WE JUST GOT THE REPORT THAT WAS IN OUR LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING ABOUT BOARD ATTENDANCE, RIGHT? SO WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT BOARD, UH, UH, CREATING SOME KIND OF STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES FOR OUR BOARD. SO I THINK IT MAY BE TIME FOR US TO LOOK AT, UH, OVERALL BOARD STRATEGY, UH, WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS ONE AND, AND MAYBE COME UP WITH A, A DIFFERENT WAY AHEAD. GO AHEAD REAL QUICK. UH, JENNIFER, UH, YES, THANK YOU. UH, HOWEVER, ARE THERE ANY BE MEMBERS HERE IN THE ARTIST RIGHT NOW? DON'T THINK SO. ANYBODY. WE DID INVITE THEM TO COME TONIGHT. NO. WELL, I WOULD, I WOULD ASK THE MAYOR IF HE WOULD INVITE THEM UP, UH, TO THE, UH, PODIUM TO SPEAK ABOUT IT. UM, I THINK THAT, UH, THE CHALLENGES THAT WE'VE BEEN FACED WITH, YOU KNOW, FOR THE 2045 GOAL ASPIRATIONS, UM, I THINK THEY'RE UNACHIEVABLE. I THINK THEY'VE BEEN UNACHIEVABLE, UNACHIEVABLE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS BASED ON SOME OF THE VERY ISSUES THAT, THAT YOU BROUGHT UP. AND, AND I THINK MAYBE A NEW STRATEGY, UM, COULD BE IN LINE NOW, NOW, GIVEN MR. UH, SMITH'S, UM, IDEA ABOUT THE NEW STRATEGY ABOUT ALL THE BOARDS, UM, IF THE BEB WANTS TO PRESENT A BRAND NEW STRATEGY TO THIS COUNCIL TO MOVE FORWARD WITH NEW IDEAS AND NEW UNDERSTANDING ABOUT THE GREEN INDUSTRY THAT WE KNOW OF, AND WE KNOW WHEN WE BUILT THIS PLACE TO 2009, AND WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION BEFORE, IS THAT WE COULD NOT MEET THE LEAD, THE LEAD, UM, OBLIGATIONS TO MAKE THIS, UH, THIS BUILDING GREEN. SO I THINK IT, IT IS WORTHY OF CONVERSATION. I I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, JUST MAYBE WITH THE BATH WATER KIND OF THING, YOU KNOW, SO I, I'D LIKE TO HEAR MORE FROM THEM, UH, VERSUS THE, UM, UH, VERSUS JUST THE, UH, THE LETTER OR THE MEMO, UH, THAT, UH, THAT BOARD SENT TO US. SO, PRESENTATION, WE USED TO DO PRESENTATIONS EVERY, EVERY YEAR, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, EACH BOARD WOULD COME IN, TELL US WHAT THEIR GOALS WERE, WHAT THEIR STRATEGY WAS, AND HOW WE THAT GOT ELIMINATED SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE. SO, UM, ANYWAY, I I, I WOULD INVITE THEM TO, TO COME AND TALK MORE TO US ONE-ON-ONE IN PERSON, BE BEFORE I VOTE TO ELIMINATE THE BOARD. RIGHT? THAT WOULD BE MY GOAL. FAIR. BUT, UH, SO MY UNDERSTANDING, A COUPLE THINGS HERE. ONE, THE ASK FOR US TO RECOMMIT TO ITS GOALS. I'M UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THEY'VE APPROVED THE ITEMS THAT WE'VE MOVED FORWARD ON AS A COUNCIL. THEREFORE, THEY WOULD BE, WE'RE DOING WHAT THEY'RE ASKING US TO DO. I DON'T THINK I'VE SEEN ANY PUSHBACK. SO I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED ON, ON THAT PORTION OF WHAT THEY'RE ASKING. IT JUST SEEMS THAT, I MEAN, AND PERHAPS THEY NEED TO REEVALUATE THAT, BUT I THINK THEY WANT US MORE TELLING THEM WHAT TO DO WHEN THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE THE ONES KIND OF BOUNCING IT UP AND THE WE PLUS OR MINUS AND, AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT. BUT THEN SECONDLY, SOMETHING THAT, UM, UH, MR. SMITH HAD MENTIONED WAS THIS PACKET THAT WE HAD RECEIVED. AND IF YOU JUST TAKE A LOOK, THERE WASN'T A MEETING IN DECEMBER. UH, THE, THERE WAS ONLY OUT OF SEVEN MEMBERS, ONLY THREE IN OCTOBER WERE PRESENT. AUGUST WAS CANCELED, JUNE WAS CANCELED, FEBRUARY WAS CANCELED. I'M JUST, I'M, I'M JUST NOT SURE. I THINK THAT THERE ARE PROBABLY SOME REALLY WONDERFUL FOLKS THAT CAN DO A LOT OF GREAT WORK FOR THE CITY. MAYBE THIS JUST ISN'T THE BOARD THAT'S DOING THAT. I THINK OUR STAFF DOES A REALLY WONDERFUL JOB ON THESE ITEMS. MAY, IF WE DISSOLVED IT, IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'LL BE HOMELESS. WE HAVE OTHER PLACES THAT I'M SURE THIS CITY, THE CLERK'S OFFICE COULD FIND FOR THEM. SO I WOULD ACTUALLY BE IN FAVOR OF DISSOLVING IT. I DON'T, I DON'T PERSONALLY SEE AN ISSUE WITH IT. AND I THINK THAT IT MIGHT HAVE, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT MIGHT BE THE, THE MORE PRUDENT THING TO DO. UH, MR. SMITH. GOOD. YEAH, MAYOR. SO, THANK YOU. UH, UH, UH, COUNCILMAN NEWMAN. UH, I'M NOT, I'M [02:10:01] NOT SAYING DISSOLVE AT THIS MOMENT, BUT I DO THINK THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT THE OVERALL STRATEGY BECAUSE, UH, AGAIN, BEING ON THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UH, BOARD, I, I ENDED UP CHAIRING THAT LAST MEETING, UH, QUORUM. YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME CHANGES GOING ON WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD. I LIKE THE FACT THAT THEY USED TO DO UPDATES, BUT I THINK THAT WAS VERY TASK INTENSIVE FOR, FOR STAFFING BEFORE. SO, BUT DOING THINGS LIKE THAT AND TWEAKING IT, BECAUSE FOR THE YEARS THAT I WAS ON THE PLANET ZONING BOAT FOR THOSE THREE YEARS, ENDED UP BEING THE CHAIR. I WANTED TO BE ABLE TO COME TO THE MEETING. SO THE REASON WHY I STARTED COMING JUST ON MY OWN WAS 'CAUSE I JUST WANTED HOW THINGS FLOW, BUT MAYBE WE NEED TO INCORPORATE THE BOARDS AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING SO THAT WAY THEY'RE NOT FEELING LIKE I WAS AT THE DOWNTOWN ADVISORY BOARD ON FRIDAY. RIGHT. SOME OF THOSE THINGS. SO JUST TAKING A BIG OVERALL LOOK AT WHAT THE MUNICIPAL BOARDS ARE, UH, THEIR PURPOSE FOR US. I, I ALSO MENTIONED, UH, LAST COUNCIL MEETING ABOUT DOING THAT LITTLE STATUS SHEET ABOUT MAKING IT MORE PROFE PROFESSIONAL AND ACCOUNTABILITY, UH, SIMILAR TO WHAT THEY DID WITH THE TPO. SO I JUST THINK THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT WE COULD LOOK AT FOR OUR BOARDS OVERALL. OKAY. ALRIGHT. JENNY. JENNY, IF COUNCIL'S DONE THAT. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, I, I APPRECIATE WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER NEWMAN SAID IN THAT I THINK THAT THE B BOARD HAS BEEN TASKED WITH DOING CERTAIN THINGS AND MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS, AND THAT'S WHAT'S IN CODE. AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE BEEN ASKED TO DO. THEY'VE BEEN ASKED TO RESEARCH, IDENTIFY, RECOMMEND AFFORDABLE STRATEGIES. UM, THEY'VE BEEN ASKED TO RESEARCH AND RECOMMEND PUBLIC FINANCIAL INITIATIVES AND RESOURCES. AND THAT IT, IT DOES SOUND LIKE FROM THEIR LETTERS, THEY'RE MORE LOOKING FOR COUNSEL TO TELL THEM WHAT TO DO. AND I, I THINK YOU, YOU HIT THAT PERFECTLY IN THAT REGARD. AND IF YOU GO AND YOU LOOK AT THEIR LETTER, THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY REQUESTED THAT WE CHANGE THE YEAR, AND THEN PART OF THEIR MEMO THAT THEY SENT SAYS, WELL, YOU DIDN'T EVEN ASK US QUESTIONS. WELL, THAT'S BECAUSE COUNSEL AS A WHOLE, THEY'RE LIKE, OH, THE B BOARD RECOMMENDED THAT WE TAKE THEIR RECOMMENDATION. SO I, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED ON WHAT THEY'RE ASKING BECAUSE WHEN YOU READ WHAT THEIR CONCERNS ARE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY ARE ASKING FOR SOMETHING THAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE PROVIDING YOU. SO I, I APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS IN THAT REGARD. SO, SO MR. NEWMAN, WHAT WOULD YOU SUGGEST ON THAT DAY? UH, SO MY GUESS, AND THIS IS GONNA BE AN ADAM QUESTION. I'M GUESSING WE'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH A CODE CHANGE IN ORDER TO DO SO. SO WOULD WE BE, IF I MADE A MOTION TO GET, BRING SOME CODE LANGUAGE FORWARD TO WHAT REMOVAL OR DIS DISILLUSION OF THE BOARD WOULD LOOK LIKE, WE COULD DISCUSS THAT AND MAKE THAT DECISION AT THAT TIME. DOES THAT SOUND APPROPRIATE TO YOU? YEAH, IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL CONSENSUS ON PREPARING AN ORDINANCE, RIGHT? SIMILAR TO LIBRARY BOARD OR GOLF COURSES ADVISORY BOARD. IT WOULD BE A SIMILAR CODE CHANGE TO, TO DISSOLVE, TO DISSOLVE THE BEAUTIFICATION ENERGY EFFICIENCY BOARD IN THAT, IN THAT SIMILAR WAY. UM, AND SO IT'D TAKE COUNCIL DIRECTION ON WHETHER OR NOT TO, UM, PREPARE THAT, PREPARE THAT ORDINANCE. SO THEN WHAT I WOULD DO IS, AND 'CAUSE I KNOW THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF CONSTERNATION ON THE DISCUSSION, IF WE PUT A MOTION FORWARD ABOUT DISILLUSION OF THE BOARD AND IT GIVES THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME UP, WE COULD DISCUSS WITH THEM IF THEY CHOOSE TO WANT TO DISCUSS WHAT THAT IS, WE DON'T HAVE TO ACCEPT THAT MOTION, BUT WE'RE ABLE TO SAY, HEY, ARE WE GONNA DISSOLVE IT OR ARE WE GONNA WORK WITH THEM ON WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE? AND AT LEAST PUT SOMETHING CONCRETE INSTEAD OF JUST A, A DISCUSSION ITEM IF EVERYBODY WOULD BE OPEN TO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA. I THINK, NO, I THINK THAT, THAT I'M OKAY WITH THAT. SO DO YOU NEED CONSENSUS OR A MOTION, SIR? WELL GO AHEAD AND MAKE THAT MOTION. UH, UM, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO MAKE THE, MAKE THE MOTION CLEARER FOR ME. YEAH, SURE. PLEASE. UH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, ASK ADAM IF HE WOULD DRAFT A, UH, CODE LANGUAGE FOR THE DISILLUSION OF THE B BOARD. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION. AND SECOND, ALL THOSE FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NO. UM, BELIEVE I BELIEVE IN EVERY BOARD MEMBER. NO, NO, NO. I KNOW ONE DAY. SO I, I REALLY DO, I BELIEVE THAT THEY SHOULD STAND HERE. WELL, OKAY. BUT, BUT THIS IS WHAT, BUT I ALSO WILL SAY, AS COUNCIL NEWMAN SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO DO THAT YET AT A DISCUSSION. THEY CAN COME UP AND, AND HOPEFULLY WE GET IT WORKED OUT BY THAT. AND IF THEY DON'T, DENNIS IS OFF. YOU KNOW, SO THAT, THAT'S MY THOUGHT PROCESS. OKAY. HOPEFULLY WE CAN RESOLVE THAT OUT. I STILL SAY NO. SO WE HAVE MOTION, WE HAVE SIX, SIX TO ONE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU. THEN MOVING [25. Discussion of Historic South Melbourne (HiSoMe) Heritage & Cultural Tourism Trail. (Requested by Council Member Smith)] ON TO ITEM NUMBER 25. THIS IS GONNA BE, UH, UH, AN ITEM BY, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH. YEAH. MAYOR, BEFORE I START THAT, CAN I ASK ON ITEM NUMBER 24, HOW WOULD, IS THERE ANY APPETITE TO PROCEED AS LOOKING AT, UH, OVERALL MUNICIPAL BOARDS? I MEAN, I PLAN ON TALKING ABOUT BOARDS A LITTLE BIT IN MY, I IT'S NOT BOARD REPORT PETITIONS OR S CAN WE TALK ABOUT A THUMB? OKAY. YEAH. LET GO FROM THERE. THAT'S FAIR. GO AHEAD, GO WITH YOUR ITEM ON 25. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S FAIR. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE SLIDE, SLIDE PRESENTATION [02:15:02] AGAIN. NO. YES, THAT'S RIGHT. I CAN, WE'LL WAIT FOR THAT TO, ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. UH, GOOD EVENING, UH, MAYOR, COUNCIL, UH, AND, AND THOSE, UH, RESIDENTS THAT ARE STILL IN THE AUDIENCE. UH, I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE, UH, PROPOSAL FOR, UH, HISTORIC SOUTH MELBOURNE HERITAGE AND CULTURAL TOURISM TRAIL. UH, AND LET'S GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. UH, BUT THIS IS A INITIATIVE WORKING WITH THE, UH, CONCERNED CITIZENS, UH, OF SOUTH OF ART AND ALSO THE HISTORIC AMERICAN LEGION. UH, I'M INVOLVED IN BOTH OF THOSE, UH, NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS, BEEN INVOLVED IN 'EM FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. AND, UH, AS I THINK I GO THROUGH THIS, YOU'LL KIND OF SEE WHERE THIS IS A BUILDUP OF SOMETHING THAT THE CITY HAS ALREADY BEEN IN SUPPORT OF. AND, AND HOPEFULLY, UH, WE CAN HAVE A GOOD DISCUSSION. BUT THIS VISION, UH, WOULD BE TO HELP CREATE, UH, CULTURAL TOURISM, UH, TO ENHANCE COMMUNITY AND HISTORY AND ALSO TO, UH, HELP PRESERVE THE LEGACY OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE AND ITS HISTORIC COMMUNITIES. WE'VE HAD A LOT ABOUT HISTORY TONIGHT, SO THIS IS GREAT TIMING. THIS IS HAPPENING TONIGHT. SO THIS IS A, UH, OVERVIEW, NOTIONAL MAP OF WHAT, UH, WHAT WE CALL SOUTH MELBOURNE FLORIDA AVENUE, UH, BABCOCK CRANE CREEK. AND THEN, UH, AND THEN US ONE, OF COURSE, THERE'S OTHER AREAS IN AND OUT. YOU GOT A LITTLE BIT OF PALM BETA OVERLAPS WITH THAT. BUT AS YOU SEE, UH, AFFECTIONATELY I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH, UH, RESIDENTS IN THIS AREA OVER A NUMBER OF YEARS. AND THE NAME OF BRANDING AS OPPOSED TO HISTORIC SOUTH MELBOURNE, MAYBE CALLED IT SOMETHING LIKE HIS SOMI, LIKE A SOHO KIND OF THING. SO CREATING A, UH, LITTLE BIT MORE OF A AFFECTIONATE, LOVING NAME FOR THE AREA. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. UH, AND WHAT THIS TRAIL WILL START WITH IS THE FOUNDER'S MONUMENT AT RIVERVIEW PARK. UH, LOT LOTS BEEN DONE WITH RIVERVIEW PARK. AND THIS WILL SERVE AS THE GATEWAY. AND THIS FOUNDER'S MONUMENT IN HONORS PETER WRIGHT, WRIGHT BROTHERS AND BALE ADAM, WHO WERE THE FREED SLAVES THAT SETTLED, UH, CRANE CREEK AT THAT TIME, WHICH BECAME MELBOURNE IN 1867. AND THIS WOULD SORT OF BE THE CEREMONIAL GATEWAY AND TRAIL STARTING POINT. AND IF YOU GOT QUESTIONS, UH, PLEASE EITHER WAIT TILL THE END OR YOU CAN INTERRUPT ME. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. AND WHAT THIS SHOWS IS WHAT THE, WHERE THE PROPOSED LOCATION OF THAT, UH, FOUNDER'S MONUMENT WILL BE PLACED RIGHT THERE IN RIVERVIEW PARK. AS YOU SEE, YOU GOT THE BIG GAZEBO AND THAT LAND THAT HAD, THAT THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, UH, DONATED TO THE CONCERNED CITIZENS. UH, THAT WOULD BE THE PLACEMENT. NEXT SLIDE. AND THIS IS A RE RENDERING OF WHAT THAT FOUNDER'S MONUMENT WOULD LOOK LIKE. YOU SEE, IT HAS SORT OF A GATEWAY CONCEPT. CRANE CREEK FOUNDERS. NEXT SLIDE. AND THEN THIS IS A BIRD'S EYE VIEW OF THAT MONUMENT. SEE THE BRICKS WHERE ITEM C UH, THOSE STATUES WOULD BE. ITEM A, THE BENCHES. NEXT SLIDE. AND SINCE I'M ON THE TOPIC, THE, UH, CONCERNED CITIZENS, UH, C COMMITTED THEY'RE HAVING IN THEIR THIRD ANNUAL FOUNDER'S PRAYER BREAKFAST ON SATURDAY, FEBRUARY 21ST. SO, I KNOW WE RECEIVED THE EMAIL ON THAT. I JUST WANTED TO PUT THIS IN HERE. JUST AS A REMINDER, UH, IF YOU, WE ALL WANNA BUY TICKETS AND ATTEND THAT EVENT. NEXT SLIDE. AND THEN DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM RIVERVIEW PARK. AND THAT FOUNDER'S MONUMENT IS THE HISTORIC AMERICAN LEADING POST, 1 91. UH, THIS WAS A POST THAT WAS CHARTED IN 1946. IT WAS FORMALLY A GROCERY STORE THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE REMEMBER IT AS, BUT ALSO AS VERY WIDELY KNOWN AS THE TIKI BAR. IT SERVED AS A, AS A NIGHTCLUB LOCATION FOR MANY YEARS. AND THIS WILL PROVIDE A NEARBY GATHERING SPOT FOR PEOPLE TO BUY MEMORABILIA. 'CAUSE IF I GO TO THE FOUNDER'S MONUMENT NOW I WANNA HAVE A PLACE WHERE I CAN MAYBE GO GET A TRINKET OR, UH, DEFINITELY GET FOOD REFRESHMENTS. AND THIS WILL BE THE PLACE WHERE THIS, YOU WOULD BUY A TICKETS AS A LAUNCH FOR THE HERITAGE TOUR. AND IT ALSO SERVES AS A VETERAN COMMUNITY HUB FOR A VARIETY OF EVENTS, ACTIVITIES, AND, UH, POTENTIAL FOR WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT. NEXT SLIDE. UH, GO BACK, GO BACK ONE. WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS ON THE LEFT YOU SEE AN IMAGE OF AS IS. BUT ON THE RIGHT, THAT IS A RENDERING OF, UH, SOMETHING THAT WE'VE, UH, HAD AN ARCHITECT DESIGNED FOR US MAYBE ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, JUST TO SHOW WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE, UH, WITH, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY SUPPORT. NEXT SLIDE. NOW WE, I GET UP INTO, UH, THE NOTIONAL TRAIL. UH, SO THIS IS, UH, WHAT I CALL TRAIL A, UH, AND WHEN I TALK TO THE DOWNTOWN, UH, MELBOURNE AND CRA ADVISORY BOARD ON FRIDAY, THEY PRESENT A REALLY GOOD IDEA, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE BREAK IT DOWN INTO SECTIONS. SO THIS WOULD BE THE WALKABLE TRAIL WHERE IT WOULD START AT THE FOUNDER'S MONUMENT. YOU GO, UH, FROM THE AMERICAN LEGION, YOU WOULD TAKE A RIGHT ON, UM, THAT STONE STREET, UH, 'CAUSE THAT USED TO BE THE HISTORIC BUSINESS DISTRICT. TAKE A LEFT, RIGHT DOWN. BROTHERS AVE COME AROUND IN FRONT OF GREATER ALLEN WHERE, UH, I THINK THAT IS RIGHT. BROTHERS HOUSE, WHICH IS NOW, UH, WE CALL IT THE FOUNDER'S HOUSE MUSEUM. THAT'S RIGHT THERE. TAKE A RIGHT AND YOU GO UP TO LINE STREET CEMETERY, AND THEN YOU COULD WALK THROUGH THE BACK OF LINE STREET CEMETERY TO THE MASONIC LODGE AND THEN RETURN TO THE AMERICAN LEGION. THAT'S ABOUT 1.3 MILES. NEXT SLIDE. [02:20:02] UH, THEN JUST SHOW HOW THAT WOULD EXPAND. UH, SO SAME ROUTE AS BEFORE, BUT AS OPPOSED TO COMING DIRECTLY BACK TO THE AMERICAN LEGION, YOU WOULD GO DOWN TO THE JOSEPH AND DAVIS COMMUNITY CENTER. THERE'S ANOTHER CEMETERY THAT HAS A LOT OF HISTORY RIGHT THERE. AND THEN YOU WOULD TURN AROUND. SO THAT GETS YOU ABOUT 1.71 MILES. NEXT SLIDE. AND THEN REALLY EXPANDING ON THE TRAIL. UH, WHEN YOU COME OFF ON, WHEN YOU'RE ON LIPSCOMB FROM GREATER ALLEN, YOU WILL CONTINUE DOWN TO THE LO MACEDONIA, UH, MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH LOCATION. 'CAUSE THAT USED TO BE THE LOCATION OF THE HISTORIC SAWMILL. UH, AND THEN YOU WOULD COME AROUND TO RACE STREET, UH, WHERE THERE USED TO BE THE MELBOURNE VOCATIONAL SCHOOL AND OTHER HISTORICAL THINGS THAT ARE RIGHT THERE. THEN YOU PICK UP TO THE LINE STREET CEMETERY JOSEPH DAVIS, AND YOU GET ABOUT 2.34 MILES. NEXT SLIDE. SO, POTENTIAL TRAIL FEATURES, UH, IF YOU'VE BEEN TO OTHER CITIES, AND THEY HAVE TRAILS SIMILAR TO THIS INTERPRETIVE SIGNAGE AND QR ENABLED STORYTELLING, UH, POTENTIAL FOR GUIDED WALKING TOURS, SCHOOL FOOD, UH, FIELD TRIPS, PUBLIC ART. UH, YOU HAVE MURALS THAT COULD BE PLACED TO, UH, HIGHLIGHT FACTS, OTHER PLACEMAKING ELEMENTS, WAYMAKER FINDERS AND DIGITAL STORYTELLING. AND MAYBE EVEN LIKE A FUTURE, UH, MOBILE APP. SO THAT WAY PEOPLE CAN REALLY INTEGRATED. AND THEN A WEBSITE TO TELL AND KEEP THAT LEGACY IN PERPETUITY. POTENTIAL FOR COMMUNITY ECONOMIC IMPACT, UH, HERITAGE PRESERVATION, TOURISM, INCREASED FOOT TRAFFIC, AND THEN THE SUPPORT OF FOR DEVELOPMENT OF SMALL BUSINESS. THE MEETING WE HAD THIS MORNING TALKING ABOUT A SMALL BUSINESS INCENTIVE GRANT, IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A PLACE THAT COMES AROUND WHERE BROTHERS AND STONE, THAT WOULD BE A GREAT WAY TO BE A CATALYST FOR COMMUNITY INVESTMENT FOR BUSINESS TO COME BACK. AND THIS REALLY ALIGNS WITH THE CRA REVITALIZATION AND A PORTION OF THIS TRAIL. THE BEGINNING PORTION IS ALREADY IN OUR DOWNTOWN CRA SOUTH EXPANSION AREA. AND, UH, CREATE A PLACE OF PRIDE, UH, FOR THE CITY OF MELBOURNE. PAST, PRESENT, AND FUTURE. NEXT SLIDE. SO, AS YOU ALL KNOW, UH, THERE WAS HISTORICAL ASSESSMENTS THAT WERE INITIATED IN NOVEMBER, 2021 BY THE CONCERNED CITIZENS AND THE COMMUNITY IZATION ALLIANCE IN COLLABORATION WITH THE CITY OF MELBOURNE AND THE CONSULTANTS. 14 PROPERTIES SOUTH OF CRAN CREEK WAS FORMERLY IDENTIFIED IN NOVEMBER, 2023. AND THOSE INCLUDED, LIKE THE AMERICAN LEGIONS, SPAIN'S BAR, UH, UH, HOME OF THE FOUNDER, WHITE BROTHERS. I TALKED ABOUT LONG STREET CEMETERY, AND THEN THE MASONIC LODGE JUST AS EXAMPLES, AND THEN THE NEXT SLIDE. AND SO THAT WHEN YOU GO TO THE CITY OF MELBOURNE'S WEBSITE, THAT'S WHAT YOU END UP, THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE. YOU SEE THE BLUE AND THE RED WERE THE SITES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED IN DOWNTOWN MELBOURNE AND THEN ALSO IN, UH, HISTORICAL GALLEY AREA. AND THEN THE, THE YELLOW WERE THE 14 THAT WERE IDENTIFIED IN THAT NOVEMBER, 2023 AND PLACED ON THAT MAP, NEXT SLIDE. AND FROM THAT LINE STREET CEMETERY IS IDENTIFIED AS ONE OF THOSE PROPERTIES. AND IF WE THINK ABOUT THE SUCCESS OF LINE STREET CEMETERY, OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS HAVE IN GRANTS HAVE BEEN AWARDED TO THAT, TO THAT PROJECT. UH, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF RESEARCH ON HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE. THEY'VE DONE, YOU KNOW, THE GROUND PENETRATING RADAR, THE AREA, UH, THEY'RE WORKING ON BEAUTIFYING. UH, AT THE LAST HARP, THEY REALLY TALKED ABOUT THE SIGNAGE AND ALL THOSE THINGS. SO THAT JUST SHOWS THAT FROM THAT INITIATIVE IN 2021 TO 2023, AND NOW THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED. AND, UH, A LOT OF GOOD THINGS ARE COMING OUT OF, UH, THAT DUE DILIGENCE. SO HERE ARE CONSIDERATIONS, I THINK, FOR THE CITY OF MELBOURNE RIGHT NOW. THERE WOULD BE NO FUNDING ASKED, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE, THE ASK WOULD BE FACILITATION OF COMMUNITY FEEDBACK, FACT SESSIONS AND HISTORICAL WORKSHOPS, RESEARCH FOR ADDITIONAL GRANTS AND FUNDING SOURCES FOR HISTORICAL PRESERVATION PROJECTS, SIGNAGE, DATABASES, WEBSITES, CONSULTANTS, AND PROJECT PLANNING CONSIDERATIONS. AND THEN, UH, WITH ALL OF THAT, YOU HAVE CONSIDERATIONS FOR ZONING, CITY CODE AND OTHER RELATED PLANNING FACTORS. AND THEN, UH, FROM THE DOWNTOWN, UH, CRA ADVISORY BOARD, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THESE BLUE SIGNS THAT HAVE BEEN OUT, BUT THE QUESTION WAS, OKAY, WELL, WHO, WHAT, WHAT'S BEHIND THE HISTORY OF THE BLUE SIGNS? UH, SO THIS COULD ALSO BE A WAY TO BE A CATALYST FOR A CITYWIDE HISTORY PROGRAM, RIGHT? UH, WHAT ARE WE CATALOGING? WHAT, WHAT SIGNAGE COULD WE UPDATE? SIGNAGE, YOU KNOW, STORYTELLING, TOURISM AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND IF YOU GO TO THE WEBSITE ON THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO FIND, UH, THERE'S REALLY NOTHING THAT SAYS CULTURAL TOURISM OR HISTORY. SO DOING THIS KIND OF A PROJECT COULD BE, UH, A CALLOUS FOR THAT. ALSO. AND I CLOSE WITH THIS, THIS IS JUST OTHER, UH, NEARBY SITES WHERE THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF HISTORY IN OUR AREA, RIGHT? YOU HAVE THE UNIVERSITY AVENUE CORRIDOR, WHICH STRETCHES BETWEEN, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT FROM GROUNDSWELL UP TO FLORIDA TECH, RIGHT? THERE'S A LOT OF POTENTIAL THERE. THE LITTLE RED SCHOOLHOUSE AT FLORIDA TECH, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, UH, THAT WAS WHERE THE ORIGINAL RESIDENTS OF CRANE CREEK DID A LOT OF THE SCHOOLING. NOW THAT'S UP IN THE BOTANICAL GARDENS. I TAUGHT THE SOUTHWEST [02:25:01] TRAIL THAT THE CITY OF MELBOURNE IS DOING A LOT OF WORK ON THIS. COULD, UH, KIND OF TIE AND CONNECT SOME OF THAT, THOSE POINTS TOGETHER. AND THEN AGAIN, I PUT THE CITY OF MELBOURNE PRESERVING OUR HISTORY, THE MAP, WHICH IS WHERE THOSE, THE RED, BLUE, AND YELLOW PENS ARE. AND WITH THAT, I THINK THAT'S IT. UH, STAND BY FOR QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSION. WELL, WE, WELL, WE HAVE A COUPLE SPEAKERS. UH, IF THEY'RE RIGHT, WE'LL HAVE THE SPEAKERS. YEAH. HEAR THEM FIRST. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL START OUT WITH TYRONE RON, FOLLOWED BY MAJOR WASHINGTON. AND THEN JOSEPH MCNEAL, YOU GOING, YOU GOING AT THE SAME TIME? IF YOU DON'T MIND, WOULD WE? TWO BIRDS. ONE. WE ARE THE CONCERNED CITIZENS. NOW MY EMPHASIS. GOOD EVENING. FIRST OF ALL, MY NAME IS JOSEPH MCNEIL AND I AM THE PRESIDENT OF CONCERNED CITIZENS. AND MY MAJOR EFFORT HERE TO THIS MOMENT IS TO SAY WE ENDORSED THE ENTIRE, UH, POWERPOINT. AND WE, I WANTED TO PUT SOME EMPHASIS ON IT, IN FACT, THAT, UH, WE, THE CONCERNED CITIZENS, UH, ENDORSE ALL OF IT. UH, MR. BRYAN WILL BE THE ACTUAL SPEAKER, BUT I FELT IMPERATIVE THAT I'D BE HERE ALSO TO AMPLIFY IT. MR. BRYAN? GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. GOOD EVENING STAFF AND GOOD EVENING MEMBERS, AND ALSO RESIDENTS. MY NAME IS TARAN BRYAN. I'M A RESIDENT OF THE COMMUNITY, AND I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT THE PRAYER BREAKFAST. NOW COME WITH ME TO A TIME WHEN, A FEW YEARS FROM NOW WE ACCOMPLISH OUR GOAL OF ERECTING THE MONUMENT TO THE THREE FOUNDERS. ONE OF THE WAYS THAT I THINK YOU ALL AND THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY CAN PARTICIPATE IS BY SHOWING UP TO THE PRAYER BREAKFAST. AND START PUTTING IN THAT WORK IS SAYING, OKAY, I SEE WHAT'S GOING ON. I SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING. AND SO THAT PRAYER BREAKFAST IS PIVOTAL. IT'S GONNA HAPPEN ON THE 21ST OF FEBRUARY AS THE FLYER STATED AT THE CROWN PLAZA OCEAN OCEANFRONT HOTEL. MM-HMM . AND WHY SHOULD YOU BE THERE? WELL, PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE THERE. WE'RE GONNA BE PRAYING FOR THE SUCCESS OF THIS CITY. YOU ARE REPRESENTING THIS CITY. AND SO I THINK IT'S PIVOTAL TO SHOW THAT, THAT SOLIDARITY IN GOING FORWARD. SO MY ASK IS SIMPLE, PLEASE JOIN US AT A PRAYER OF BREAKFAST, BECAUSE THAT'S THE FIRST STEP IN SHOWING WHERE WE ARE HEADING. AND WE'RE GONNA GET THERE. IT'S A HEAVY LIFT, IT'S AN AWESOME TASK. BUT WE WANT THE CITY TO STAND BY US. AND AS, UM, MR. MCNEIL SAID, WE ENDORSE WHAT WAS SAID IN THE PRESENTATION. AND GOING FORWARD, I THINK, CAN YOU IMAGINE PEOPLE FROM DC, PEOPLE FROM SEATTLE, PEOPLE FROM DOWN SOUTH, PEOPLE FROM AROUND THE WORLD COMING HERE AND PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT'S HAPPENING IN MELBOURNE AS A, AS A RESULT OF THAT, THAT PIECE THAT WE JUST SHOWED YOU. BUT THANK YOU AGAIN FOR LISTENING. THANK YOU, MAJOR WASHINGTON. GOOD EVENING COUNCIL MEMBERS. UH, MY NAME IS MAJOR WASHINGTON, AND I'M A PROUD, UH, 30 YEAR RETIRED VETERAN OF THE UNITED STATES ARMY. AND A MEMBER OF LEG AMERICAN LEGION POST 1 9 1 HERE IN MELBOURNE. I JUST WANNA THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO HEAR A PROPOSAL PRESENTED BY COUNCILMAN UH, MARCUS SMITH. I STAND BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, UH, TO APPEAL TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AS A VETERANS AND ALSO AS A CONCERNED CITIZEN. SOMEONE WHO HAS SEEN FIRSTHAND WHAT MANY VETERANS CARRY LONG AFTER THE UNIFORM COMES OFF. MEN APPEAR STRONG ON THE OUTSIDE, BUT QUALITY CARRIES, UH, HEAVY BURDEN. WHAT VETERANS AND THE COMMUNITY NEED MOST IS CONNECTION AND PURPOSE. AND TO ENSURING THAT THEIR CITY STILL SEES THEM, VALUES THEM, AND HONOR THEIR SERVICE. THE INITIATIVE PRESENTED TODAY, HERITAGE, UH, PRESERVATION, THE TOURISM TRAIL, THE DEVELOPMENT OF SMALL BUSINESS, AND THE RETRO, THE RESTORATION OF THE HISTORICAL AMERICAN LEGION POST 1 9 1 ARE MORE THAN IDEAS. THE OPPORTUNITIES TO INSTILL PRIDE IN THE CITY OF MELBOURNE ON OUR PAST, STRENGTHEN OUR PRESENT AND INVEST IN OUR FUTURE. THESE EFFORTS MATTER BECAUSE THEY TURN APPRECIATION INTO ACTION, GRINNING VETERANS, SUPPORTING FAMILIES, AND UPLIFTING OUR ENTIRE COMMUNITY. I'M GRATEFUL TO BE A PART OF A CITY THAT LEADS WITH COMPASSION, WITH VISION, AND WITH THE HEART. AS THE SCRIPTURE REMIND US, [02:30:01] LET US NOT GROW WEARY IN DOING GOOD. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUED SERVICE TO THE CITY OF THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY OTHER PUBLIC SPEAKERS? OKAY, THAT'S THE LAST PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THAT. OKAY. BRING IT BACK TO YOU, MR. SMITH. WHAT DO YOU WANNA DO? UH, IF WE, I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THOSE WHERE WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO, UH, ALLOW STAFF TO, TO MOVE FORWARD, TO START RESEARCH OF THE GRANTS, UH, WORKSHOPS. YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING FOR THIS EVENING, MAYOR, WHAT I'M ASKING FOR. SO, GO AHEAD, MR. NEWMAN. UH, CAN WE, UM, WHO WAS USING, I DON'T KNOW WHO WAS DOING THE POWERPOINT. UH, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO GET IT BACK TO THE, THE GRANTS PAGE? UM, I, I DUNNO, I DUNNO HOW FAR THAT WAS. THE PARTNERSHIP. I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN HELP, UH, JUST MAKE SURE WE GET THERE, UH, ON THAT, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE HELPFUL. YEAH. MAYOR. YES SIR. ARE YOU DONE? CAN I SAY SO? OKAY. UM, SO, UH, MR. MCNEIL CAME TO US A COUPLE YEARS AGO AND ASKED HE AND HIS AND HIS, UM, HIS FOLKS, UH, THAT, UM, ASKED US TO, UH, DONATE PART OF RIVERVIEW PARK FOR THE FOUNDERS, UH, MONUMENT. AND WE DID THAT. AND SO IF THERE'S ANY QUESTION ON ANYBODY'S MIND THAT WE'RE NOT COMMITTED, THEN I GO BACK, I, I CHALLENGE YOU TO GO BACK TO THOSE MINUTES. THAT VERY MEETING YEP. THAT WE PLACED OUR MONEY WHERE OUR MOUTH IS. SO LET'S KEEP MOVING. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. LET'S DO THE BEST THAT WE CAN WITH WHAT WE GOT. ALRIGHT, MR. NEWMAN. GOOD. SO, UH, SO TAKING A LOOK AT THESE. SO NOW ONE THING, AND, UH, THIS IS ALL JUST DISCUSSION, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UM, YEAH, I'M NOT TRYING TO POKE HOLES IN NOTHING, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE AWARE. SO WHEN YOU'RE SAYING IT'S NOT, IT ACTUALLY, THERE IS A COST TO IT. SO I'M THINKING OF, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, THE FACILITATE COMMUNITY DISCUSSIONS. I'M GUESSING YOU'RE THINKING OF LIKE, REMEMBER WHEN WE DID THE PARKING DISCUSSION FOR THE CRA HERE OR LIKE WE DID THIS MORNING, RIGHT? WELL, OH, SURE. OR LIKE WE DID THIS MORNING. YEAH. UM, BUT I'M GONNA USE THE CCRA IS PROBABLY MORE BY BROAD RANGE EXAMPLE, I THINK WOULD BE GOOD BECAUSE THE STAFF TIME FOR THAT IS CREDITED TO THE CRA. THEY ARE, THEY ARE BEING, THERE IS A, A PAY MECHANISM IN WHICH THAT, THAT WORKS. SO THERE'S A COST OF STAFF TIME TO FACILITATE THESE THINGS AND DO ALL THAT. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S ABUNDANTLY CLEAR THAT YOU WOULD BE ASKING US TO APPROVE SOME SORT OF STAFF TIME TOWARDS THAT, AS WELL AS RESEARCHING GRANTS. AND I, I'VE RESEARCHED GRANTS, I WRITE GRANTS, GRANT WRITING. THERE'S PEOPLE WHO MAKE ENTIRE CAREERS OVER IT. I BLESS THEM FOR THAT . UM, BUT THE FACT IS THAT'S ALSO A LOT OF STUFF THERE. I THINK THAT THERE'S REALLY A GREAT ROLE TO PLAY FOR THE CITY TO KIND OF MAYBE BE LIKE THE HUB FOR SOME OF THESE THINGS. MM-HMM . BUT THIS IS REALLY, TO ME, SOUNDS MORE LIKE A NONPROFIT WOULD BE ABLE TO COME IN. UM, AND I, I DON'T WANT TO PICK ONES OUT 'CAUSE I WANT EVERYONE TO BE ABLE TO RAISE THEIR HAND, SAY, HEY, THIS IS MY PART. HEY, THIS IS MY PART. HEY, THIS IS MY PART. BUT CITYWIDE STORY PROGRAM, I THINK CINDY AND NIKKI TELL WONDERFUL STORIES. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE THE ONES WHO ARE GONNA WRITE THE STORIES FOR US FOR THAT IN THOSE PROGRAMS. I THINK A COMMUNITY ORGANIZATION WOULD BE BETTER AT DOING THAT. THEY COULD, AND THEN WE COULD CAPTURE ALL THAT. AND I JUST DON'T, UNTIL YOU GET TO THAT ZONING CODE PORTION, WHICH HONESTLY IS GONNA BE STREET SIGNAGE, UH, FOR THE MOST PART. I MEAN, OTHER THAN USING CITY FACILITIES, I'M SURE YOU COULD DO THAT AS LIKE A, IN A NONPROFIT BASIS. WE HAVE NONPROFITS USE OUR CITY FACILITIES ALL THE TIME. I'M NOT QUITE SURE, UH, IF WE WANT TO HAVE A BROAD RANGE OF RESEARCH GRANTS AND FUNDING, LIKE, BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A, A HARD, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WHAT FUND IS THAT COMING FROM? UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHICH STAFF IS FACILITATING THE WORKSHOP. WE NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE CONCRETE IF WE'RE GONNA DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO, TO GET AT. I MEAN, IF YOU WANT TO TALK TO STAFF MORE ABOUT WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, I THINK THAT THAT'S, UH, SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DISCUSSED. BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S ABUNDANTLY CLEAR THAT THERE WOULD BE COSTS IF WE JUST SAID, OH, HECK YEAH, GO FORWARD WITH ALL OF THIS, UM, FROM A CITY PERSPECTIVE. BUT IF WE CAN FIND SOMETHING THAT SAYS, HEY, THERE'S A NONPROFIT THAT'S KIND OF TAKING THE LEAD ON SOME OF THESE PORTIONS. THE CITY ENDS UP PUTTING THINGS ON THEIR WEBSITE MOVING FORWARD IN THAT, UM, THERE MIGHT, I THINK THAT MIGHT BE THE, UH, MORE PRUDENT ROAD TO GO DOWN A A PORTION OF THIS. I THINK THAT MAYBE A BRAINSTORMING SESSION. I WOULD THINK AT THE, MAYBE AT LEAST, UH, AND STAFF, YOU KNOW, UH, JENNY, PLEASE IF CHIME IN, IF, UH, BUT I THINK MAYBE AT LEAST STARTING WITH THAT TO, TO YOUR POINT AND THEN JUST SEEING WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. WHAT I'M SAYING. SO, WELL, I, I GOT, I GOT A QUESTION THOUGH FOR YOU MR. SMITH. OKAY. AND NOW ONE THING IS I DON'T LIKE TO GET A LOT OF THINGS STARTED AND NOT FINISHED. YEAH. ONE THING AND, AND MY, MY OWN MY CONCERN HERE. I MEAN, I LIKE THE IDEA, DON'T GET ME WRONG. I'M NOT, I'M NOT SHOOTING DOWN THE IDEA, BUT THE FACTORS, THERE'S NUMEROUS THINGS THAT WE HAVEN'T GOT DONE. [02:35:01] FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FOUNDER'S MONUMENT, WHERE ARE WE TO THE POINT? NO, I THINK YOU'RE TRYING TO RAISE MONEY, TRYING TO GET THAT UP AND RUNNING. SECOND AMERICAN LEGION. I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN LIKE SPEARHEADING TRYING TO GET THAT. THAT'S NOT DONE YET. ARE WE ADDING SOMETHING ON A LIST THAT'S NOT GONNA GET DONE? JUST, YOU KNOW, HOPING OR, OR WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE? BECAUSE I, I LIKE TO GET THIS FOUNDER'S MONUMENT. 'CAUSE I KNOW CERTAIN CITIZENS, AND YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN WORKING YOUR TELL OFF ON THAT WITH THE PRESENTATIONS AND THE CITY WORKING WITH THE, YOU KNOW, GIVEN, GIVEN THE PROPERTY. AND I LOVE THAT IDEA. I THINK IT, I THINK IT SHOWS, IT TALKS ABOUT THE CITY AND ITS LEGACY AND THE FOUNDERS, BUT THEN THE AMERICAN LEGION, YOU KNOW, WE SAW WHAT IT COULD BE. WHERE ARE WE ON THAT? ARE WE JUST, ARE WE JUST DOING SOMETHING LIKE WE HOPE THIS GETS DONE AND I DON'T WANT BURDEN OUR STAFF DOWN AND GOING, WELL GO DO THIS, GO DO THIS. WHEN WE HAVE ALL THESE PROJECTS THAT AREN'T GETTING DONE, WHICH IT'S ALMOST, YOU KNOW, OH, WE, WE, WE HAVE PLENTY OF IDEAS, BUT ARE WE GETTING THOSE IDEAS INTO, INTO ACTUAL PLANS AND ACCOMPLISHMENTS? THAT'S A GREAT POINT, MAYOR. SO WHAT I WOULD SAY TO THAT IS THAT OF COURSE, SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS NOT A LIGHT SWITCH. THIS IS NOT JUST, THIS WOULD BE A PHASED IN APPROACH. AND SO AS THINGS ARE COMING ONLINE, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, LIKE BLIND STREET CEMETERY FOR EXAMPLE, RIGHT? UH, I MEAN THE STAFF WHO WAS INVOLVED IN THAT RIGHT NOW, WE'VE JUST SEEN THE LAST FEW PLANS, BUT THE TIMELINE AS TO WHEN THAT COMES IN. BUT THE PLANNING HAS ALREADY STARTED. SO AT THE VERY LEAST, SO AS LINE STREET CEMETERY COMES ON, SOME OF THESE OTHER THINGS WILL, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY BE RIGHT IN LINE, THE SAME KIND OF THING. SO, SO PLANNING, UM, FOR SUCCESS. OKAY. YEAH. OUR CITY MANAGERS BEEN TRYING TO NO, NO, I, I WOULD LIKE COUNSEL TO FINISH AND THEN I JUST HAVE A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS. OKAY. WELL, DO YOU THINK COUNCIL HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? OR, OR, I I THINK YOU'RE, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT THAT WE'RE, WE'RE MOVING TOO FA FAST IN THIS SITUATION. WE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE THAT LARGE A STAFF. WE'RE, WE'RE MEDIUM SIZE, NOT, NOT A LARGE CITY THAT CAN HANDLE EVERYTHING ALL THE TIME. BUT, YOU KNOW, LET'S WORK ON THE FOUNDRY DAYS MONUMENT FIRST. YEAH. BUT SHE'S NOT WELL, AND WELL, AND, AND MS. HANLEY DON'T MEAN TO LIKE A QUESTION. I'D SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, RESEARCH, POTENTIAL GRANTS, FUNDING SOURCES, HISTORICAL PRESERVATION. WE'RE, WE'RE BURDENING BURDENING, OR WE BURDEN OUR STAFF NOW, I REMEMBER, AND I'M GONNA BRING IT BACK ON THE DOG PARKS. YOU KNOW, I HAD THIS CRAZY IDEA YEARS AGO AND I SAID, LISTEN, YOU KNOW, I, I BROUGHT IT TO COUNCIL. I SAID, LIKE, THAT I LIKE TO HAVE, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY DOG PARKS. AND I'LL GO OUT AND I WILL FIND THIS AND I'LL FIND THIS AND FIND THE FUNDRAISING AND ALL THE BUSINESSES. YOU KNOW, WE BUILT ONE, THEN WE BUILT TWO, WE BUILT THREE. YOU KNOW, I, I, I JUST THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE OUT THERE GETTING ALL THIS STUFF DONE INSTEAD OF JUST SAYING, STAFF GO FIND THIS IDEA. GO DO THIS. MM-HMM . AND THAT'S IMPORTANT. I MEAN, IT WAS A LOT OF WORK ON THESE DOG PARKS. AND WHEN THE DAY CAME, WE HAD STAFF THERE HELPING OUT. BUT, YOU KNOW, I WENT OUT AND, AND BESIDES, I KNOW MR. OCK DONATED, BUT WE HAD EVERYBODY FROM LOWE'S TO, I MEAN, NUMEROUS, MANY BUSINESSES. WE, I THINK WE HAD 600 VOLUNTEERS THAT CAME OUT AND SIGNED IN. AND SO, I MEAN, IT TAKES A LOT, BUT IF YOU REALLY WANT TO GET THIS DONE, UM, YOU NEED TO GET YOUR FEET WET. YEAH. AND SIMPLE. SO THAT'S WHY I POINTED OUT THE, THE PROGRESS THAT HAS BEEN MADE FROM THE 21 INTO 23. RIGHT. SO STAFF HAS ALREADY PUT, AND AND THAT WAS PRIOR TO ME BEING ON THE COUNCIL BEING ELECTED. RIGHT. BUT I KNOW THAT WAS, I THINK, LIKE $50,000 OF FALLOUT MONEY WHEN WE CAME AND ASKED THE QUESTION IN 21. AND SO THAT WAS USED FOR THE CONSULTANTS THAT ALLOWED THOSE PROPERTIES, THESE SAME S I'M TALKING ABOUT HERE TO BE IDENTIFIED. SO THERE'S ALMOST A CONTINUATION OF WHAT CITY OF ALREADY STARTED. RIGHT. TO TRY TO BRING IT TO A EVEN BETTER POSITION. OKAY. GOOD. GOOD SIR. UM, AND THIS IS MORE OF A TECHNICAL QUESTION FOR MR. CONLEY, AND THEN, UH, I DEFINITELY WANNA HEAR WHAT, WHAT JENNY HAS TO SAY, BUT I KNOW, UH, MARK, UH, MR. SMITH, UH, YOU WENT TO THE, UH, MELBOURNE CRA, THE DOWNTOWN TO PRESENT THIS. I HAPPEN TO ACTUALLY BE IN A MEETING WITH JENNY OR ELSE I ACTUALLY WOULD'VE BEEN THERE . UM, IF IN THAT PARTICULAR CASE, ADAM, SINCE WE'RE MEMBERS OF THE CRA AND HE'S PRESENTING THAT, AM I ABLE TO GO TO C RCRA MEETINGS TO EVEN DISCUSS AND HEAR THESE THINGS, IF THIS IS GONNA BE A POTENTIAL ITEM? 'CAUSE I'M TRYING TO, THIS IS THE DISTRICT THREE PROJECT HERE, AND SO I WOULD WANT TO BE AS INVOLVED AS POSSIBLE, BUT I ALSO DON'T WANNA BURDEN THE ENTIRE BOARD HERE, UM, ON THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. AND SO I ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE CAN AND CANNOT DO IN THAT REGARD. I, UM, YEAH. IT'S A, IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. THE, THE ADVISORY BOARD IS SEPARATE, APART FROM THIS BOARD, THE CITY COUNCIL'S GOVERNING BODY OF THE CRA. UM, AND SO IF YOU'RE BOTH PRESENT AT THE CRA ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND TALKING ABOUT ITEMS THAT MAY, YOU KNOW, COME BEFORE THEM, IT MAY BE A SITUATION WHERE YOU'RE [02:40:01] LISTENING MORE THAN, MORE THAN TALKING. ALTHOUGH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE TALKING TO THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS RIGHT. DON'T USE THEM AS A CONDUIT TO, TO OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, SPEAK TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS. RIGHT. BUT SPEAKING TO THE ADVISORY BOARD ABOUT THEIR ITEMS AND HOW THEY'RE PROVIDING THIS BOARD WITH GUIDANCE, I, I WOULD JUST, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE, MAKE SURE YOU'RE HEARING INFORMATION AND THEN SPEAKING TO THE ADVISORY BOARD RATHER THAN TO THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS AS A, AS A CONDUIT OR, OKAY. UM, WHILE, WHILE, WHILE I HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL ASK COUNSEL TO CONSIDER WHAT OF THESE ACTION ITEMS ARE TRULY CITY FUNCTIONS THAT WE ALREADY EITHER HAVE PROCESSES FOR OR, OR ARE ALREADY DOING. RIGHT. FOR EXAMPLE, THE GRANT FUNDING FOR LINE STREET CEMETERY WAS, YOU KNOW, IDENTIFIED BY CITY STAFF TAKEN TO HAR FOR APPLICATION, BROUGHT TO THIS BOARD FOR APPROVAL TO, TO MOVE THOSE APPLICATIONS FORWARD AND SO ON. AND SO, AND, AND I AND I, I RAISED, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERATIONS FOR ZONING. I KNOW THAT CINDY AND HER COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT STAFF HAVE SPENT THE BETTER PART OF A DECADE TALKING TO THE VERY DEDICATED STAKEHOLDERS IN THE SOUTH MELBOURNE AREA ABOUT WHAT MAKES SENSE FROM POTENTIAL REZONINGS, YOU KNOW, OPPORTUNITIES TO, YOU KNOW, REVITALIZE THE AREA, YOU KNOW, BRING IN, BRING IN MORE COMMERCIAL, BRING IN MORE RETAIL. UM, AND SO BEYOND THAT, IF, IF WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH IS PROPOSING IS A CONTRACTUAL OR GRANT-BASED PARTNERSHIP WITH CONCERNED CITIZENS AND, AND AMERICAN LEGION FOR, FOR THESE ACTION ITEMS, YOU KNOW, I I, I GUESS I'M NOT SURE WHERE THAT OVERLAP OR, OR WHERE THAT DISTINCTION LIES EITHER IN, IF, IF HE'S LOOKING FOR THE CITY TO TAKE ON THESE FUNCTIONS BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY CITY FUNCTIONS VERSUS LOOKING FOR, YOU KNOW, CONTRACTUAL AND MONETARY SUPPORT OF, UM, THESE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS FROM THE CITY TO, TO OTHERWISE REACH THESE GOALS. AND THAT'LL BE SOMETHING I'M GONNA WANT TO TALK WITH HIM A LITTLE BIT OFFLINE ON. 'CAUSE IF HE'S MEMBERS OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT AND, AND, AND SOME OF THAT. SO THERE'S, THERE'S GRANTS AND AID PROCESSES THAT ARE DESCRIBED HERE. THERE ARE, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, OTHER, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DONATION POLICY THAT AS WAS BROUGHT UP, THE, UM, THE FOUNDER'S MONUMENT'S BEEN SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR, FOR SOME TIME NOW. AND SO, AGAIN, I I, I GUESS MY, MY UNDERLYING QUESTION, AND, AND, AND I APOLOGIZE, BEEN SPEAKING OUTTA TURN FROM, FROM THESE FIVE BULLET POINTS, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE IF THERE WAS COUNCIL DIRECTION, WHAT, WHAT EXACTLY IS BEING ASKED OF, OF, OF STAFF AND IN OUR OFFICE ON A, HERE'S, HERE'S THE ACTION ITEMS. HERE'S, HERE'S WHAT THE FIRST STEPS ARE IN EITHER STAFF GOING OFF ON OUR OWN TO, AGAIN, BE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, ZONING IN THE SOUTH MELBOURNE AREA OR, YOU KNOW, SIGN HISTORIC SIGNAGE OR WEBSITE, YOU KNOW, WEBSITE CONTENT FROM A HISTORIC, UM, PRESERVATION AND, AND MARKETING PERSPECTIVE VERSUS, YOU KNOW, ARE WE, ARE WE LOOKING FOR POTENTIAL GRANTS FOR CITY OPERATIONS, OR ARE WE LOOKING FOR GRANTS FOR CONCERNED CITIZENS AND, AND AMERICAN LEGION? 'CAUSE THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE TWO VERY, VERY TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. OKAY. UM, AND QUESTION CITY OPERATIONS. AND I GOT SOMETHING FOR YOU, MR. SMITH, AND I WAS JUST, UH, JUST SPITBALLING HERE REGARDING THIS. HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT, HAVE YOU GONE TO DISCUSS ANY OF THIS WITH THE TDC? UH, NOT. NO. I MEAN, THAT'S AN IDEA. I MEAN, IF YOU THINK YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. IF YOU THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN IN FRONT OF 'EM AND, AND YEAH. UM, BUT IF YOU THINK ABOUT, UM, THEY'VE GIVEN MONEY TO, EVEN RECENTLY WITH AMERICAN POLICE HALL OF FAME, AND I KNOW THEY CLOSED, BUT I THINK THEY WERE CLAWING BACK MONEY. AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GIVING GRANTS HERE AND THERE. I WOULD SUGGEST TO GO TO THE TDC AND SAY, LISTEN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE CAN GET THIS PROJECT AND THE FOUNDER'S MONUMENT DONE OR SOMETHING. THEY GOT MONEY. AND IN MY OPINION, THEY'RE ALWAYS PUTTING IT UP NORTH. YOU KNOW, NOTHING WRONG WITH US. YOU KNOW, YOU GO IN THERE AND SAY, LISTEN IN, IN MELBOURNE. THIS IS SOMETHING WE'RE TRYING TO DO. UM, I HAD GONE, YOU KNOW, AND, AND TALKED ABOUT GETTING MAYBE A FAIR GROUND AND RIGHT. YOU KNOW, AND, AND YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY CONTRIBUTE, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY EITHER MARK $2.5 MILLION. NOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'D GO. WE'LL SEE HOW IT GO. WE'LL GO DOWN THE ROAD AND, BUT JUST AN IDEA IS IF YOU GOT A GOOD IDEA AND YOU DO, IT MAY BE EASIER TO GO THERE AND SAY, LISTEN, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, BRING THE CONCERNED CITIZENS TO 'EM AND, AND SAY, LISTEN, THIS IS WHAT WE GOT. THIS IS A COST, AND WE'D LIKE TO GET A GRANT. YEAH. SO, SO, GREAT POINT, MAYOR. SO, BACK TO WHAT, UH, UH, ATTORNEY, UH, CONLEY'S TALKING ABOUT. I THINK IT'S REALLY JUST AN EXPANSION ON WHAT THE CITY'S ALREADY, SO IT'S NOT ASKING FOR CONTRACT OR MONEY FOR THE ORGANIZATIONS, BUT IF THE, IF THESE PROJECTS FIT WITH WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE FROM A CITY, UH, PERSPECTIVE, [02:45:01] THAT WAS REALLY WHAT THIS AS WAS ABOUT TONIGHT. MM-HMM . AND THEN JUST BRAINSTORMING TO, TO SEE HOW IT WENT. GROSS. 'CAUSE WE, HE, HE, TO HIS POINT, THESE ARE, THESE THINGS ARE ALREADY HAPPENING, BUT NOW WITH OTHER HISTORICAL PROJECTS, COULD THERE BE ADDITIONAL GRANT MONEY THAT COMES IN FOR CITY. YEAH. AND, AND I, AGAIN, I, I'D LOVE TO SEE THIS, UH, THE FOUNDERS' MONUMENT GET DONE. I REALLY, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT PUT IN THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT. I THINK THAT WOULD BE HUGE FOR THE CITY. AND, YOU KNOW, MANY, MANY PEOPLE DON'T EVEN, THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT HOW WE WERE FOUNDED. AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE NOT ONLY FOR CULTURAL, BUT FOR, YOU KNOW, EDUCATION, EVERYTHING. YEAH. SO I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT GET DONE. GOOD, SIR. UH, I, I WOULD, UH, SUGGEST THAT YOU'VE GOT FIVE BULLET POINTS HERE, AND THAT IF THESE ARE FROM PRIORITY DOWN TO THE LAST PRIORITY MM-HMM . THEN WE ATTACK EACH ONE, OR YOU ATTACK EACH ONE, YOU BRING IT BACK AND WE, AND WE FIGURE OUT WHAT THE FIRST BULLET POINT LOOKS LIKE TO US AS A COUNCIL TO MAKE DECISIONS. WHAT'S THE SECOND ONE? WHAT'S THE THIRD ONE? SO ON AS, UH, ATTORNEY, UH, HAD SAID BEFORE, IS IT HERE? IS IT THERE? IS IT OVER THERE? I, THERE'S NOBODY HERE THAT'S, THAT'S AGAINST ANYTHING. OKAY. NOT ONE PERSON. AND WE'RE FOCUSED ON THE, ON, YOU KNOW, THE FOUNDERS BIG TIME. SO IF YOU CAN BRING BACK A LITTLE BIT MORE IDENTIFIED RATHER THAN A BROAD BRUSH, I MEAN, IT GIVES US A LITTLE BIT MORE OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY ATTACK EACH ONE. AND IT MAY NOT HAPPEN THAT, LIKE, THAT MAY TAKE THREE OR FOUR YEARS. SO YOU'LL JUST HAVE TO RUN FOR REELECTION THEN. YOU KNOW, , UH, GO AHEAD, JIM. OKAY. SO SOME OF YOU HAVE ALREADY ASKED WHAT I, WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR CLARIFICATION ON. SO, UM, THIS BRAINSTORMING SESSION IS, IS THIS JUST WITH STAFF, LIKE CONCERNED CITIZEN AMERICAN LEGION, YOU AND STAFF, OR IS THIS ONE OF YOUR COMMUNITY FEEDBACK SESSIONS IN HISTORICAL WORKSHOPS? BECAUSE I WE'RE NOT ANYWHERE CLOSE TO READY TO, TO DO ONE OF THOSE. RIGHT. AND, UM, THE OTHER THING, LIKE AS FAR AS GRANT OPPORTUNITIES, I KNOW THAT STAFF HAS PROVIDED DIFFERENT MEMBERS OF THE, THE HISTORIC SOUTH MELBOURNE, UM, DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT GROUPS IN THAT, IN THAT AREA. UM, WE PROVIDED THE CULTURAL RESOURCE GRANT OPPORTUNITIES, UM, SUCH AS THE NATIONAL TRUST FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION. UM, WE PROVIDED LINKS FOR THE FLORIDA DIVISION OF HISTORICAL RESOURCES BY THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF STATE. AND SO WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO FEED SOME OF THOSE GRANT OPPORTUNITIES TO THE DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS, UM, IN SOUTH MELBOURNE. AND SO, I MEAN, WE CAN, WE CAN PULL THAT INFORMATION AGAIN AND PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO, TO THE STAKEHOLDERS. BUT I, I, I AM A LITTLE CONCERNED ON HAVING THIS, YOU KNOW, HAVING THIS BRAINSTORMING SESSION. I THINK, I FORGET WHO TOUCHED ON IT ON THE, WE, WE'VE GOT QUITE A BIT ON, ON OUR PLATE RIGHT NOW BETWEEN THE, YOU KNOW, AND I'M LOOKING AT THE STAFF THAT THIS IS PROBABLY GOING TO INVOLVE, AND IT'S PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, THE MAJORITY COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. WE'VE GOT THE P THREE FOR THE PARKING GARAGE. IT'S LIKE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY. UM, WE'VE GOT THE SMALL BUSINESS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BUSINESS, OR THE SMALL THAT WE HAD THE MEETING FOR TODAY. MM-HMM . WE'VE GOT PARKING MANAGEMENT WE'RE WORKING ON, AND THESE ARE ALL COUNCIL INITIATIVES. UM, WE'RE WORKING ON THE FAIRGROUND ORDINANCE OR OUTDOOR EVENT SPACE, THE AUDITORIUM. AND, UM, SO I, I JUST, IN PRIORITY WISE, I DON'T TYPICALLY COME TO YOU AND ASK YOU WHAT IS THE PRIORITY, BUT I'M JUST SORT OF MAKING THE PLEA THAT IF WE DO WORK ON THIS, I, I'VE GOT STUFF THAT WAS, IS ALREADY IN THE QUEUE THAT WE'RE ALREADY WORKING ON. AND UNLESS I'M TOLD THIS IS THE HIGHEST PRIORITY, IT, WE WILL, WE WILL GET TO IT IN AND NOT IN SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR, BUT WE WILL GET TO IT AS OTHER THINGS ARE COMING OFF, OFF THE PLATE. AND, AND, AND MS. LAMB, I WOULD SAY IS MAYOR MY PRIORITY RIGHT NOW, AND EACH PERSON MAY HAVE THEIR OWN IS THAT PARKING GARAGE AT P THREE BECAUSE WE AS A, THE STAFF COUNCIL GOING BACK WITH THE COUNTY COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, THE CITY AND THE CRA, UM, TO ME, I MEAN THAT PROJECT, EVEN O GLEE REALLY, WE NEED TO GET THAT DONE. TO ME, THAT IS A NUMBER ONE PRIORITY. YES, SIR. AND AGAIN, BECAUSE WE WERE, COULD HAVE BEEN ONE VOTE TO LOSE IN ALL THAT. CORRECT. SO WE, WE GOTTA GET BACK AND GET THAT DONE. RIGHT. YOU'RE ABSOLUTE, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. I MEAN, THAT'S MY OPINION. YEAH, I AGREE. SO, AND THEN, AND AGAIN, YOU OUGHT, YOU SHOULD GO TO THE TDC AND TALK TO 'EM MM-HMM . SO FROM WHAT I'M HERE TONIGHT, GOOD, GOOD PRESENTATION, GOOD INFORMATION. UH, LET'S, UH, REVIEW, UH, IN LINE OF ALL THE OTHER PRIORITIES, UH, GREAT FEEDBACK FROM EVERYBODY TONIGHT. AND THEN, UH, AS TIMING ALLOWS, UH, COMMUNITY AND, I MEAN, WE'LL BRING IT BACK UP AGAIN AND KIND OF TAKE A LOOK, BUT WELL, LEMME, AND, AND REAL QUICK, AND I I DON'T WANNA GO TOO MUCH FURTHER, BUT YEAH, [02:50:01] BALLPARK, WHAT, HOW MUCH MONEY DO YOU, HOW MUCH MONEY DO YOU THINK'S NEEDED TO FINISH THE UM, UH, THE FOUNDER'S MONUMENT? DO WE EVEN KNOW? 500,000? WELL, THERE'S, I ON THE WEBSITE STARTING POINT, I'M LOOK AT THE WEBSITE. IT SAYS THAT, UH, THEY'VE RAISED 62,000 OUT OF 477,000 AS OF JUNE 20TH, 2025. SO I'M SURE THEY'RE BEYOND WELL, I'M SURE THEY'RE BEYOND THAT AT THIS POINT. IT'S BEEN ALMOST A YEAR. SO YEAH. SO LET'S SAY 377 AND, BUT NOBODY'S BEEN THE TDC ON THIS 'CAUSE THIS IS, THIS IS MASSIVE WHEN IT COMES. I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY'VE GIVEN MONEY TO DIFFERENT PLACES OVER AND OVER A MILLION HERE, A MILLIONAIRE. IT'S A 5% BED TAX. WE HAVE A LOT OF WHO HOTELS HERE. THAT MONEY NEEDS TO BE HERE IN SOUTH MELBOURNE AS WELL. YEP. AND THAT, AND THAT BED TAX MAYOR GOING UP TO COCOA BEACH AND GOING THERE, GOING UP NORTH. LET'S GO TALK TO HIM. MAYOR. NO, THAT YOU NEED TO GO THERE, . OH, I'VE BEEN THERE. I DUNNO IF I KNOW YOU HAVE. NO, I'VE BEEN THERE. YES, SIR. GET AHOLD OF, GET AHOLD OF, UH, YEAH, ROB, UH, COMMISSIONER FEL. YEAH. GET A HOLD OF COMMISSIONER FELDER. YEAH, I GOTCHA. AND LET 'EM KNOW THAT WE'VE SPOKEN, I MEAN, I SUPPORT THIS AND YOU CAN GET 50 CONCERNED CITIZEN GROUP DOWN THERE AND SAY, LISTEN, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS. THE CITY'S EVEN DONATED THE LAND. LET'S GET THIS DONE. FAIR POINT MAYOR. OKAY. YEAH, YEAH. COME BACK AND GIVE US GOOD NEWS ON THE COUNCIL AND SAY, I THE PD DC AND I GOT 412,000 AND WE'RE DOING A MOD AND, AND, AND MAKE HIM HAPPY. 'CAUSE HE IS NEVER HAPPY. YOU, LOVE YOU FEEDBACK THERE AND ANY OTHER FEEDBACK. GREAT, GREAT DISCUSSION. NOW I'LL BRING IT BACK OVER. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. MAYOR. YES. DOWN HERE BY FAIR DOWN THERE. UM, I, I JUST WANT TO, UH, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF ADVICE AS UH, YOU'RE GOING THROUGH. 'CAUSE I, THIS IS GREAT IDEA AND I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A GREAT PROJECT. UM, BE A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFIC OR MAYBE A DESIGN OF SOME SORT. AGREE TO SEE WHAT IT MIGHT PICTURE, WHAT IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE INSTEAD OF JUST LIKE RED LINES. LIKE IS IT THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS, IS IT THROUGH LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? LIKE MAYBE GET SOME TO DESIGN EVEN JUST A LITTLE, JUST THAT FIRST PHASE. YEAH, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. OKAY. OKAY. UH, WE'RE [26. Board Appointments] GONNA MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 26. A REPORT ON THIS MR. MCKEEN. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THIS IS A PRECURSOR TO THE NEXT ITEM FOR A BOARD APPOINTMENT. THIS RELATES TO A REQUEST FOR A WAIVER OF FLORIDA STATUTES FOR MS. JOANNE DAVIS. HER TERM ON THE MELBOURNE DOWNTOWN CRA ADVISORY COMMITTEE WILL BE EXPIRING. AND THE NEXT ITEM IS, UH, CONSIDERATION OF HER REAPPOINTMENT. AND YOU'LL RECALL THIS CONVERSATION WE HAVE ONCE A YEAR WHERE WE DISCUSS, UM, BOARD MEMBERS WHO HAVE A CONFLICTING CONTRACTUAL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY AND, UH, THE MEMO AND THE AGENDA PACKAGE DETAILS THAT IT'S GENERALLY THE SAME AS WAS PRESENTED TO YOU IN SEPTEMBER. I WILL NOTE THAT HER CONFLICT HAS REDUCED QUITE A BIT SINCE, UM, THE CITY'S MOVED TO A, A DIFFERENT, UM, VIDEO STREAMING SERVICE. SO WE NO LONGER USE IM SOLUTIONS FOR THAT ON A REGULAR BASIS, THOUGH THEY DO STILL PROVIDE SOME ASSISTANCE AND WORK TO THE CITY. AND SO MS. DAVIS'S FORM, UH, FOUR WAS, UH, TURNED IN IN SEPTEMBER. THERE ARE NO CHANGES TO THAT. AND, UM, I WOULD REQUEST THAT A COUNCIL MEMBER WHO WANTS TO READ A VERY LONG MOTION, UM, MAKE THE REQUESTED ACTION, WHICH WOULD BE WAIVER OF THE, UH, REFERENCE STATUTES AND, UH, UM, REGARDING HER RELATIONSHIP WITH IM SOLUTION AND ITS EXISTING SCOPE OF BUSINESS WITH THE CITY, UM, FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR. OKAY. ANY QUESTION FOR MR. MCEWEN? OKAY. DO WE HAVE REQUESTED ACTION, MAYOR, BEFORE, BEFORE YOU DO. I'LL JUST NOTE, UM, THIS ITEM DOES REQUIRE SUPER MAJORITY VOTE. OH, OKAY. SO MAYBE WE OUGHT TO WAIT UNTIL HE COMES BACK FROM THE BATHROOM. WE GO ON. WE GO AHEAD AND GO AHEAD AND DO WE HAVE A MOTION? MAYOR? MAYOR, GO AHEAD. UM, APPROVAL OF THE EXEMPTION REQUEST AND PURSUANT TO SECTION 1 1 2 0.3 FLORIDA STATUTES WAIVER OF THE PROVISIONS OF SECTION ONE, 2.3, AND ONE POINT FLORIDA STATUTES ON BEHALF OF JOANNE DAVIS AS A MEMBER OF THE MELBOURNE DOWNTOWN CRA REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY ADVISORY COMMITTEE REGARDING HER RELATIONSHIP WITH IM SOLUTIONS INC. AND ITS EXISTING SCOPE OF BUSINESS WITH THE CITY, INCLUDING TECHNICAL SUPPORT AND VARIOUS REPAIR SLASH MAINTENANCE SERVICES FOR THE REMAINDER OF FISCAL 2026. AND I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. WE HAVE MOTION. I CAN ALL THOSE THEM FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? HOW? VOTE. AYE. AND THAT MOTION PASSES. SO EVEN WITHOUT MR. RUSSO, WE HAVE A SUPER MAJORITY . PERFECT. ITEM B. THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO THIS IS APPOINTMENT OF MEMBERS TO THE MELBOURNE DOWNTOWN CRA AGENCY ADVISORY COMMITTEE. THE TERMS OF JOANNE DAVIS, JOHN LUCAS, AND JERRY SMITH WILL EXPIRE ON FEBRUARY 22ND. ALL THREE HAVE INDICATED THEIR DESIRE TO BE REAPPOINTED. THERE IS ONE REGULAR MEMBER OF VACANCY ON THIS COMMITTEE. UM, AT ALL TIMES, AT LEAST [02:55:01] FOUR MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE MUST RESIDE WITHIN THE MELBOURNE CITY LIMITS. AND FOR INFORMATION, WE DO HAVE FOUR MEMBERS WHO ARE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE ON THIS COMMITTEE. MR. LUCAS IS ONE OF THOSE MEMBERS. UM, SO APPLICATIONS ARE INCLUDED IN THE AGENDA PACKAGE FROM MS. DAVIS, MR. LUCAS AND MS. SMITH, THE CURRENT MEMBER SEEKING REAPPOINTMENT, UH, FROM MR. MILLER AND MR. ADAMS, WHO ARE ALTERNATE MEMBERS WHO, UM, COUNSEL CAN SELECT ONE OF THOSE TO MOVE INTO THE VACANT REGULAR MEMBER SEAT. AND THEN THERE ARE OUTSIDE APPLICATIONS FROM KAREN HAW AND STEPHAN HARTMAN. UH, I WILL NOTE FOR THE RECORD, THERE IS A, A RELATIONSHIP, UH, BETWEEN MS. HAW AND MS. SMITH. UM, MS. HAW IS MS. SMITH'S DAUGHTER. UM, SO THAT IS A FACTOR FOR YOU TO CONSIDER. UM, AND SO I WOULD ASK FOR ONE ACTION AT A TIME. SO THE FIRST RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO FOLLOW COUNSEL'S PAST PRACTICE AND REAPPOINT MS. DAVIS, MR. LUCAS, AND MS. SMITH AS REGULAR MEMBERS. AND IN SO DOING, YOUR NEXT ACTION WOULD BE TO, UM, APPOINT AN, UH, PERHAPS AN ALTERNATE MEMBER TO FILL THAT REGULAR MEMBER SEAT. IF YOU FOLLOW THAT ACTION, YOUR FINAL ACTION WOULD BE TO APPOINT ONE OF THE TWO OUTSIDE APPLICANTS TO THE VACANT ALTERNATE MEMBER POSITION. OKAY. COUNSEL, MAYOR. OKAY. ACTUALLY, UH, VICE MAYOR, GO AHEAD. UH, I MOVE TO REAPPOINT JOANNE DAVIS, JOHN LUCAS, AND JERRY SMITH AS REGULAR MEMBERS. SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION. SECOND. ALL THOSE THE FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? SO, AYE. A MOTION PASSES MAYOR. GOOD, SIR. UH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE, UH, MR. CHRIS ADAMS MOVE TO THE, UH, FOURTH, UH, REGULAR MEMBERS VOTE. I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. UH, ALL THOSE HAVE EVER SAY, AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AND I VOTE. AYE. AND THAT MOTION PASSES. UH, AND THEN I GUESS SINCE THERE'S A CONFLICT, PERHAPS WITH, UH, MS. SHAW AND DR. HARTMAN IS IN THE AUDIENCE, I GUESS WE WOULD DO, UH, MR. UH, OUR MOTION FOR MR. HARTMAN TO BE APPOINTED AS AN ALTERNATE MEMBER TO THE CRA. AND I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. SO, UH, ALL OF THE MEMBERS SAY, AYE A AYE. ANY OPPOSED? VOTE A. THAT MOTION PASSES. UH, WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER. DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK? COME ON UP. OH, YOU'VE ALREADY BEEN A, YOU, YOU'VE BEEN APPOINTED. I APOLOGIZE. SHE DIDN'T GIMME THAT IN TIME. I JUST UP FOR THIS JOB APPLICATION. . MY NAME'S STEPHAN HARTMAN. I'M A PA AND OWNER OF IRON DIRECT PRIMARY CARE, PRIMARY CARE PRACTICE HERE. AND I PUT MY NAME DOWN 'CAUSE I'M INTERESTED IN GETTING MORE INVOLVED HERE. AND, UH, I HAVE A LOT OF IDEAS ABOUT HOW TO, YOU KNOW, IMPROVE THE AREA, ESPECIALLY WITH ZONING AND PLANNING BUSINESSES. AND, UH, I GREW UP IN EUROPE AND I ENJOY LIKE, THE WALKABILITY, THE DOWNTOWN AREAS, YOU KNOW, THE THIRD SPACING THAT OFTENTIMES MISSING, UH, IN, IN AREAS. AND, UH, I HAVE A LOT OF IDEAS ABOUT HOW TO, WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE AND WHAT I ENVISION FOR THE FUTURE OF MELBOURNE. BEING VERY YOUNG HERE, I I KNOW WHERE THIS PLACE COULD POTENTIALLY GO. I, I SEE THE TRAJECTORY, I SEE THE GROWTH OF THIS AREA. I SEE MY PRACTICE GROW SO MUCH. SO I'M LIKE, ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A LOT OF POTENTIAL HERE. WE NEED TO DO IT RIGHT SO THAT PEOPLE WANNA STAY HERE AND MOVE HERE. SO YOU GUYS CAN CONSIDER ME FOR ANY, UM, SPOTS ON THE ZONING. BE APPRECIATED. ALL, LET'S GO. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANKS GUYS. OR SHOULD WE VOTE TO TAKE YOU OFF AND PUT YOU BACK ON OR? WE OKAY. WE OKAY. FIGURED HOW TO GIVE MY SPEECH. OKAY. WELL THANK YOU SO MUCH. CONGRATS. ALRIGHT, SO THEN WE'RE GOOD THERE THEN. LET'S SEE. WE'LL MOVE TO 26 E. THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO THIS IS, UM, AN APPOINTMENT TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD. UM, SO THE, THERE ARE THREE REGULAR MEMBER VACANCIES ON THIS BOARD AT THE MOMENT. AND INDIVIDUALS WHO SERVE ON THIS BOARD MUST BE RESIDENTS OF MELBOURNE AND REGISTERED VOTERS. SO THE APP, THE AGENDAS, UH, PACKAGE INCLUDES APPLICATIONS FROM THE TWO ALTERNATE MEMBERS, WHICH WOULD BE NANCY GARMER AND CAROL HUDGENS. THERE ARE ALSO OUTSIDE APPLICATIONS FROM HARTMAN, UH, WHO JUST SPOKE AND YOU JUST APPOINTED TO THE DOWNTOWN CRA ADVISORY COMMITTEE. THERE, YOU WOULD STILL HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO APPOINT HIM THAT IS NOT A PUBLIC OFFICE. AND, UH, SO YOU WOULD HAVE THAT ABILITY TO, HE, HE WOULD HAVE THAT ABILITY TO SERVE ON BOTH BOARDS, UH, FROM LEE HINTON, DAN LIPI, AND DIANE MAYNARD, WHO IS A CURRENT ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT MEMBER. AND SO, UM, SIMILAR TO THE LAST ITEM, THE FIRST REQUESTED ACTION WOULD BE CONSIDERATION OF PERHAPS APPOINTING NANCY GARMER AND CAROL HUDGENS AS REGULAR MEMBERS. IF YOU TOOK THAT ACTION, THERE WOULD BE ONE REGULAR MEMBER VACANCY AND TWO OUTSIDE, UH, I'M SORRY, TWO ALTERNATE MEMBER VACANCIES. AND, UH, I WOULD REQUEST THAT YOU MAKE NOMINATIONS TO FILL THOSE MAYOR. OKAY, GOOD. SIR, I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE, UH, LEE HINTON, UM, AS A ALTERNATE. UH, UM, WELL, ACTUALLY I DON'T, OKAY, MAYBE WE'LL START WITH THE, THE, UH, FOR THE REGULAR, FOR LADIES, I'D LIKE TO, I'D LIKE, UH, I'D LIKE TO PUT IN NANCY GARMER, CAROL HUS AND STEPHAN [03:00:01] HARTMAN AS A THREE AS REGULAR MEMBERS. AS REGULAR MEMBERS. OKAY, I'LL TAKE THAT. WE HAVE MOTION AND A SECOND. SECOND. ALL THOSE THEM BEVERAGE SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? VOTE. AYE. AND THAT MOTION PASSES. SO YOU'RE ALSO NOW A MEMBER OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD. NOW, UM, I WILL SAY WE DID HAVE AN OPENING FOR NOW AN ALTERNATE SPOT. AND THERE ARE TWO ALTERNATE. TWO ALTERNATE. BOTH OF THE ALTERNATE MEMBER VACANCIES ARE OPEN. NOW, DAN, I'D LIKE TO REITERATE MY NOMINATION FOR LEE HINTON. AND, AND I'M ONLY, AND JUST FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES, I JUST CAN'T SUPPORT THAT MR. HINTON'S RUNNING FOR OFFICE AND WE'VE GENERALLY NOT HAD FOLKS USE OUR BOARDS TO RUN FOR OFFICE. AND SO I'M JUST NOT SO SURE ABOUT THAT. BOARD MEMBERS MR. WHO THAT HAVE, THAT ARE ON BOARDS AND THOSE WHO CAME BEFORE US THAT DID NOT TELL US THEY WERE GONNA BE ON THE BOARD. DO YOU REMEMBER THAT? WELL? WELL, NO. SURE. AND I THINK IT'S A STEPPING STONE. I, I DON'T SEE IT AS A NEGATIVE. I SEE IT AS A POSITIVE. THEY START TO SEE NOW THAT DOESN'T GUARANTEE THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE, NOT THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE ELECTED OUT THERE, BUT IT, BUT IT GIVES THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH STAFF AND SEE WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT VERSUS WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, I KNOW YOU'RE ALWAYS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. THE, THE, THE, THE, UM, UH, POPULARITY CONTEST OF SORTS. WELL CONVERSATION. WELL, IF THEY START TO YOU YEAH. YEAH, YEAH. NO, I, I TOTALLY GET IT. I TOTALLY GET IT. BUT I, MY NOMINATION STILL STANDS. WELL, AND THAT'S FINE. AND, BUT I'D ALSO LIKE TO NOMINATE THOUGH, MR. DAN LIPI, UM, DAN HAS, UM, SOME PRETTY SOLID EXPERIENCE WHEN IT COMES TO THIS. I BELIEVE HE'S IN THE BUILDING AND, UH, BASICALLY THE CON THE CONSTRUCTION DEVELOPMENT INDUSTRY. SO I THINK THAT HE'D BE FANTASTIC. SO THERE'S TWO WALLS, BUT IF, IF YOU SAID THAT, THEN WHY DIDN'T YOU PUT HIM, MR. SORRY, MR. HARTMAN, IF YOU THOUGHT THAT WAS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING, WHY DIDN'T YOU PUT DAN IN THERE? AND BECAUSE HE DIDN'T SHOW UP, THAT DOESN'T MEAN I, I THINK THAT, I THINK HALF HALF OF EVERYTHING'S SHOWING UP. YEAH, WELL, I MEAN, I MEAN, LISTEN, WE JUST PROMOTED MISS NANCY GARMER, WHO HASN'T BEEN AT FOUR MEETINGS RIGHT IN A ROW. BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT THAT'S, BUT, BUT THAT'S OUR POLICY THAT WE'VE GENERALLY DONE ALTERNATES GO UP. SO I DIDN'T FIGHT THAT. RIGHT. THAT'S, THAT I'M DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH. BUT, YOU KNOW, SO NANCY HASN'T BEEN ANY MEETINGS, SO HE DOESN'T HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, OH, I MEAN, SO WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING RIGHT. HOLD ON. WE'RE LOOKING FOR TWO ALTERNATES. SO RIGHT NOW, THE ONLY TWO ALTERNATES THAT'S BEEN MENTIONED IS LEE HINTON AND DAN, UH, LAPPER. LIPI. OKAY. MOVE THAT WE CLOSED THE NOMINATIONS, CLOSE NOMINATIONS, I SAY, AND THEN SO THOSE TWO. SO, SO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR THE, THE TWO BEING THEM TWO FOR ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. A I. SHE SECOND THAT YOU SEC. WHO? SECOND MY MOTION ON, ON WHICH ONE? ON HARTLAND? OR, OR ON? NO, WE HAVE THOSE TWO. I'M SORRY. I'LL SECOND THAT ONE. SO DIANE MAYNARD'S OUT, CORRECT? YEAH. SO THOSE, HE'S ON BOARD. WE HAVE A MOTION. SECOND. ALL LI FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? HOW AYE THAT MOTION PASSES. DO WE HAVE TO DESIGNATE FIRST OR SECOND, BY THE WAY, ALTERNATE? DO WE, DO WE NEED TO DO THAT? 'CAUSE I WOULD JUST WANNA SAY, I MEAN, I'D WANT MR. THE PERSON WITH EXPERIENCE BEFORE ABSENT, ABSENT YOU MENTIONING THAT HISTORICALLY WE'VE GONE WITH WHO YOU'VE MENTIONED FIRST. SO IF YOU'D LIKE TO DESIGNATE ONE AS THE FIRST AND ONE AS THE SECOND, YOU'RE APPOINTING THEM AT THE SAME TIME. SO YOU JUST NEED TO LET ME KNOW. I WILL YIELD THE FLOOR OKAY. FOR THAT. SO MR. LIPPER IS THE FIRST ALTERNATE. SURE. MR. HINTON AS THE SECOND. SURE. ALRIGHT, GOT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. ALRIGHT, MOVING ON TO ITEM. YOU CAN, MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 27. [27. Revision to Council Policy #40 regarding the Space Coast Chamber of Commerce (formerly the Melbourne Regional Chamber of Florida's Space Coast) Board of Directors.] UM, REPORTING ON THIS IS MR. MCEWEN. THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO, UM, COUNCIL POLICY 40 RELATES TO THE, UM, I GUESS I, I GUESS I SHOULD SAY THE SPACE COAST CHAMBER OF COMMERCE SPACE COAST CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. OKAY. UH, SPACE COAST CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. AND, UM, COUNCIL'S POLICY A COUPLE YEARS AGO, UM, WAS TO APPOINT THE MAYOR AS THE, UH, CITY'S REPRESENTATIVE ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS. UM, YOU'LL SEE IN THE AGENDA PACKAGE AN EMAIL FROM THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR TO THE DE UH, OF THE CHAMBER TO THE DEPUTY CITY MANAGER ASKING COUNCIL TO CONSIDER APPOINTING A STAFF MEMBER TO SERVE A, AS THE INVESTOR BOARD, UM, REPRESENTATIVE. AND, UM, SO THAT IS, THAT IS A REQUESTED ACTION FROM THE CHAMBER. IF THAT WAS COUNCIL'S DESIRE, UM, UH, WE WOULD AMEND COUNCIL POLICY 40 TO REFLECT THAT. AND THE WAY IT IS WRITTEN WOULD BE A STAFF MEMBER DELEGATED BY THE CITY MANAGER TO SERVE IN THAT CAPACITY. I SAY YES. I SAY YES 'CAUSE WE DO THAT. WE DO IT. OH, AND I'M SORRY. AND THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR IS IN THE AUDIENCE. I, I SAY THAT BECAUSE THANK YOU. WE ALREADY DO IT WITH, UM, MELBOURNE MAIN STREET AND THE CR WITH THE MELBOURNE MAIN STREET. AND IT SEEMS TO WORK A LOT BETTER WITH THE CITY BEING THERE DAY IN AND DAY OUT. THEY KNOW WHAT'S GOING, THEY'RE, THEY'RE MORE QUICKLY. THEY CAN, I'VE BEEN UP SINCE WAY TOO EARLY. [03:05:01] UM, I'LL TRY TO GET YOU OUTTA HERE. HUH? GET YOU OUTTA HERE AND YOU'RE TALKING. YEAH, I KIND, BUT THEY, UM, FIVE IN THE MORNING IT'S GOING TO WORK. IT'S JUST A LITTLE MUCH. UM, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE ABLE TO ACTIVATE A LOT QUICKER THAN IF WE ARE, IF WE ARE THE ONES JUST LIKE MELBOURNE MAIN STREET, THEY, WE CAN SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE ARE, THE BOARD IS SAYING ALREADY THEY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON INSIDE THE CITY MORE THAN WE DO. I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE THE EXECUTIVE BOARD. THEY'RE THE MEAT, MEAT AND POTATOES. SO I SAY, IF WE CAN DO THIS FOR ONE YEAR AND IF IT DOESN'T WORK OUT, THEN WE CAN SAY, COME BACK AND LOOK AT IT AGAIN. LET'S GIVE 'EM ONE YEAR. AND MAYOR, AND I'M GONNA GO IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION ON THIS THING ONE. FIRST OF ALL, I DO WANNA MAKE THE POLICY CHANGE ON THE NAME BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S REALLY EXCITING FOR THEM AND WE REALLY NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT GETS CODIFIED. BUT THE, I'M GONNA USE THE EDC AS WELL AS AN EXAMPLE OF THIS. THE EDC IS, LET'S SAY, A BIGGER VERSION OF A CHAMBER. THEY HAVE, THEIR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ARE ON IT. COCO HAS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL ON IT. WEST MELBOURNE HAS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL ON IT. TITUSVILLE HAS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL ON IT. UH, THE PORT HAS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL ON IT THAT REPRESENTS AND SERVES. 'CAUSE THIS IS A POLICY COMMITTEE. THEY'RE ACTING AND TALKING ABOUT POLICY THINGS AND HOW CAN WE IMPACT POLICY TO HELP BRING THINGS TO THE SPACE COAST. SO WE JUST HAD A CHANGE OVER A NET THAT I THINK WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ALSO BRING THAT BACK TO THE POLICY PART OF THE BOARD. THAT IS OUR FUNCTION'S POLICY. I THINK SUNITA DOES A GREAT JOB ON TECHNICALITY, WHICH IS DOWNTOWN MELBOURNE. THOSE ARE TECHNICAL ISSUES ABOUT STOREFRONT PROBLEMS DAY TO DAY. THEY'RE DOING POLICY ISSUES WHEN IT COMES TO THE MELBOURNE CHAMBER AND WHEN IT COMES TO THE MELBOURNE CHAMBER, UH, OR THE, THE SPACE COACH CHAMBER, I DO THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE RETAIN THAT POLICY PIECE. SO I WOULD REALLY PREFER THAT WE HAD, IF, IF, YOU KNOW, IF THE MAYOR'S, UH, WILLING TO C THAT TO ANOTHER MEMBER OF COUNCIL, I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I WOULD PREFER. JUST SO WE COULD KEEP THAT POLICY PIECE ON IT. IT'S ALMOST LIKE SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T BE, I'M, I'M ON THE CPO AS AN ALTERNATE, YOU KNOW, SOME, WE SHOULD HAVE A STAFF MEMBER ON THE CP 'CAUSE THEY'RE MORE TECHNICAL ON WHAT'S GOING ON. THEY, NO, WE, I THINK THAT THERE'S A POLICY PIECE ON IT BECAUSE THIS IS A POLICY LEVEL BOARD. THEY'RE GONNA BE ASKING ABOUT DECISIONS BASED ON YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH A CONGRESSMAN, STATE REP OR CITY OFFICIALS REGARDING POLICIES FOR THE AREA. AND IN THEIR POLICY COMMITTEE, WHEN IT GOES TO TALLAHASSEE, THEY DO, THEY LITERALLY HAVE A BUSINESS POLICY COMMITTEE THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE ASKING ON. AND I THINK IT'S UNFAIR TO A STAFF MEMBER TO HAVE TO MAKE THOSE POLICY DECISIONS THAN AN ELECTED OFFICIAL. SO I WOULD PREFER IF WE WENT IN A DIRECTION THAT JUST BROADENED IT OUT TO THE BOARD. YOU KNOW, WE CAN, I'D BE HAPPY TO DO IT IF NOBODY ELSE WANTS TO DO IT, BUT I THINK IT SHOULD BE A BOARD, UH, SEAT. CAN WE? WELL, AND AND I I WOULD SAY IT'S NOT JUST THE FACT OF NOT WANTING I AGREE. NOT WANTING TO DO IT. IF IT YEAH. REAL QUICK. CONROE, UM, UNDERSTAND. YEAH. OKAY. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND LET HER SPEAK AND THEN WE'LL, I'LL GO AHEAD AND GO. GOOD EVENING. UM, THE MAIN INTENTION OF THIS WAS TO ENSURE CONSISTENCY. SO, UM, ATTENDANCE, CONSISTENCY, A CONSTANT COMMUNICATION. THE, THE MAIN INTENT IS TO STRENGTHEN THE RELATIONSHIP. SO WHETHER IT'S ELECTED OR STAFF, UM, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF POTENTIAL FOR, UM, FOR MOVING THAT FORWARD. UM, DAVE HAS SOME INTERESTING, UH, POINTS IN TERMS OF POLICY. UM, AND MIMI HAS INTERESTING POINTS IN TERMS OF, UM, THAT CONSISTENCY ACROSS A LONG WAY. I KNOW WE ARE THINKING ABOUT AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UM, PERSON SITTING IF IT WAS STAFF. AND THAT IS A DIRECT, UM, THING THAT THE CHAMBER WORKS ON. SO I TRUST THE JUDGMENT WHERE WE END UP HERE AS LONG AS WE END UP WITH, UM, A STUDY PRESENCE OF A PERSON WHO ATTENDS BOARD MEETINGS, UM, AND, UH, AND THEN CAN REPORT BACK TO YOU. SO THERE'S THAT COMMUNICATION ONGOING. YOU KNOW, AND I, AND AGAIN, I I, I LIKE THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, GIVING IT TO SOMEBODY FROM ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. I LIKE THAT IDEA. THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE IDEA BEHIND THE CHAMBER, IT'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, SMALL BUSINESS. YOU HAVE SOMEBODY THAT NIGHT, NIGHT, YOU KNOW, THAT WORKS HERE EVERY DAY GOING, YOU KNOW, CAN GO TO THE MEETINGS OR, OR SAY IF YOU HAVE AN ISSUE, CONTACT ME. I MEAN, WE GO TO MOST OF THESE EVENTS ANYWAY, YOU KNOW, WHETHER YOU'RE ON THE PPO OR WHETHER YOU'RE ON LEAGUE OF CITIES, WHETHER YOU'RE ON OR NOT. SURE. WE STILL GO TO THOSE AND WE STILL TALK TO PEOPLE. YOU KNOW, I'M NOT ON THE, I'M NOT ON THE, UM, SOME OF THOSE BOARDS, BUT I STILL TALK TO PEOPLE ABOUT THAT. SURE. BUT THAT WAS JUST MY THOUGHT, MAKING IT MORE IN LINE WITH SOMEBODY AT THE CITY AND WORKING WITH THE CHAMBER. 'CAUSE ONE NOW, AND, AND THIS IS, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE NEGATIVE TOWARD OUR STAFF, BUT SOMETIMES I WANT OUR STAFF TO REALIZE WHAT BUSINESS OWNERS GO THROUGH, WHAT SMALL BUSINESSES NEED. YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF THE ELECTED OFFICIAL GOING, HEY, I TALKED TO, YOU KNOW, 30 BUSINESS OWNERS AND, AND TO ME, SOMETIMES YOU'RE THE BEST EDUCATION IS [03:10:01] TO GET OUT THERE AND DO AND MEET. AND I JUST THINK IF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, PERSON WAS, WAS AROUND THE SMALL BUSINESSES AND THEY CAN SEE AND HEAR THE COMPLAINTS AND HOW HARD IT IS TO GET, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S PERMIT OR, I JUST THINK IT WOULD BRING THE CITY CLOSER TO, YOU KNOW, THE CHAMBER AND THAT POLICY MAKING DECISION. THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHT. SURE. AND MAYOR, SO THEN MAYBE WE CAN DO, UM, LET'S DO WHAT MR. LARUSSO AND I JUST DID AND DO A DOEY DOUGH WHERE, 'CAUSE I DO BELIEVE THIS THE SAME THING ABOUT THE EDC. WE'RE DOING A SWITCHOVER RIGHT NOW ON THAT SEAT FOR THE EDC. WOULD WE BE ABLE TO BRING THE EDC BOARD MEMBER BACK HERE TO THE COUNCIL, SEE HOW THAT GOES? SEE HOW IT GOES, BRINGING A STAFF MEMBER OVER TO THE SPACE COAST CHAMBER MM-HMM . AND GO FROM THERE. LIKE, I'LL TAKE EDC SPOT IF WE NEED TO ATE, I'D LOVE TO DO IT. YEAH. BUT CAN WE DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT AS PART OF THIS MOTION? IF EVERYONE'S AMENABLE? HOW MANY SPOTS DO WE HAVE? WHERE IS IT? ONE PER ORGANIZATION. YEAH. MAYOR, BE GOOD. UM, WELCOME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR COMING. ABSOLUTELY. AND THANK YOU FOR THE, UH, INCREDIBLE IMPACT AWARDS DINNER AND VERY GOOD PRESENTATION THAT THANK YOU THAT YOU AND YOUR STAFF PUT TOGETHER. IT WAS VERY MOVING. THANK YOU. UH, MANY DIFFERENT, UH, LEVELS. AND SO THAT BRINGS ME TO YOU AND I FIRST MEETING MM-HMM . AND MY CONCERNS, UH, THAT THE CHAMBER AND THE CITY HAD KIND OF DRIFTED APART. WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WE WERE DOING OR HOW WE WERE DOING IT, OR WHAT OUR SPONSORSHIP MEANT. MM-HMM . SO I THINK THAT NOW COMING BACK TOGETHER, UM, UH, I LIKE MR. NEWMAN'S IDEA. UH, I WILL, UH, WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE HIM FOR, FOR THAT BOARD IF, IF WE DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD THAT WAY RATHER THAN A STAFF MEMBER. UM, BUT I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF POTENTIAL HERE. MM-HMM . UH, YOU BRING A WHOLE DIFFERENT, UM, DYNAMIC. DYNAMIC TO THE BOARD AND TO THE, TO THE COMMUNITY. AND, UH, WE NEVER WANT YOU TO LEAVE AIRPORT PROPERTY WITH YOUR OFFICE. YOU KNOW, SO YEAH. YOU'RE ALWAYS WELCOME THERE. RIGHT? BOB BRINGS OUR HOME. SO AT A DISCOUNTED RATE. OF COURSE. UH, SO, UM, UH, I, I AGREE WITH MR. NEWMAN. I THINK THAT WE ARE CROSSING THE RUBICON NOW THAT WE, THAT WE, THE VOID WAS SO MASSIVE THAT IT BOTHERED, UM, MANY OF US. AND MS. SLAM HELPED ME WORK THROUGH THAT. AND YOU DID AS WELL TOO. OKAY. IT WAS MY PLEASURE. I THINK IT'S SO IMPORTANT AND WE, I MEAN, I, WHEN I LOOK AT THIS GROUP OF PEOPLE, THE RELATIONSHIPS ARE SOLID, UM, UH, INDIVIDUALLY AND AS A GROUP. AND WHAT I'M HEARING ABOUT, UM, UH, THE, THE IMPORTANT, UH, ISSUES THAT MARCUS IS BRINGING FORWARD, AND WE SHOULD BE WORKING WITH THE TDC. WELL, PETER KRONIS ASKED TO JOIN THE BOARD TODAY. OH. I'M A BIG BELIEVER IN BEING IN THE ROOM AND HAVING A SEAT AT THE TABLE AND, AND MAKING THOSE RELATIONSHIPS AND HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS. AND, UM, I BELIEVE THAT AGAIN, WHOEVER WE END UP WITH, IT'S THE CONSISTENCY AND THE COMMUNICATION AND THAT RELATIONSHIP THAT'S GONNA BE WHAT MOVES US FORWARD. AGREE. THANK YOU. CAN THANK YOU. AND CAN I GO AHEAD, MS. LEY, THIS IS SOMETHING I NEED TO TALK TO YOU AFTERWARDS. IT IS SOMETHING ABOUT THE CHAMBER. THERE'S SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED AND I WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT. ABSOLUTELY. THERE'S NOTHING, SOMETHING IN HERE. IT WAS JUST SOMETHING ELSE. A BUSINESS DID SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE, DENOMINATE. I WOULD LIKE TO, HOLD ON. OH, I'M SORRY. I WAS JUST GONNA MAKE, THAT'S ALL I A MOTION ASKING YOU TO STAY THERE. BUT I DO THINK LET'S DO ONE YEAR WITH STAFF THERE SO THAT WE CAN GET A COHESION, COHESION WITH WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE STAFF. LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S, I THINK THAT WOULD BE, THERE'S, UM, CINDY'S, I CAN'T THINK OF THE YOUNG MAN. I THINK HIS NAME IS DAVID. ROBERT. ROBERT, WHAT IS IT? ROBERT. ROBERT. ROBERT. UM, I'M SORRY, WHAT DAVID, IF WE COULD HAVE HIM GOING IN THERE BECAUSE HE'S NEWER LEARNING ABOUT THE DIFFERENT BUSINESSES IN OUR COMMUNITY HERE, I THINK THAT WOULD BE NOT JUST IN THE DOWNTOWN MELBOURNE EAR, IN THE DOWNTOWN CRAS, BUT LIKE, UH, LIKE MY AREA WHERE IT'S MORE THE INDUSTRIAL AREAS THAT PEOPLE, UM, ARE COMING INTO. THERE'S DIFFERENT THINGS I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING FOR HIM TO LEARN ABOUT DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY BEING IN THE CHAMBER. LET'S HAVE HIM DO IT FOR ONE YEAR, BE THE MEMBER, AND THEN COME BACK IN A YEAR AND SEE IF THAT'S HOW THAT'S WORKING. MAYOR THAT SIR. UM, I, I'M ACTUALLY OF THE OPINION THAT I THINK THAT BOTH OF THOSE ORGANIZATIONS SHOULD BE, IF YOU HAVE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO WANT TO BE INVOLVED, BECAUSE I MEAN, I, I DO, I DO A LOT OF THESE MEETINGS AND EVENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND INVOLVED. AND SO I LOVE WHAT COUNCIL NEWMAN STATED THAT THE IMPORTANCE, I MEAN, AND NOT TAKING ANYTHING AWAY FROM, FROM STAFF, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE COUNCIL MEMBERS, MAYORS AND THOSE THAT ARE A PART OF THAT, AND THEN WE'RE ABLE TO BRING THAT BACK AND STILL WORK WITH STAFF. 'CAUSE IT TAKES A TEAM IN ORDER TO DO THESE THINGS. BUT I MEAN, THAT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, EDC, UH, YOU KNOW, [03:15:01] NOT HAVING THAT, YOU KNOW, LEVEL OF ATTACHMENT TO WHAT WAS GOING ON. AND SO WE'RE WAITING, UH, TO GET INFORMATION BACK THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ON TOO. SO, I MEAN, THAT, I THINK COMMUNICATION IS REALLY THE KEY. MM-HMM . AND REPRESENTATION IS A PART OF ESTABLISHING THAT COMMUNICATION. OKAY. MS. LAMB, REAL QUICK, MS. LAMB, DEPENDING ON WHICH WAY THIS GOES AND STAFF, YOU KNOW, IS FINE EITHER WAY. BUT IF IT IS A COUNCIL MEMBER THAT IS ATTENDING THESE, UM, I KNOW THAT, UM, COUNCILMAN LARUSSO HAD A TRAVEL FORM THAT EXPLAINED WHAT WAS GOING ON. I'M NOT SAYING IT'S THE EXACT SAME FORM, BUT TO RELAY THE INFORMATION THAT COUNSEL HEARS AT THESE MEETINGS AND GETTING THAT TO STAFF, I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT WE GET SOME TYPE OF REPORT BACK TO STAFF. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ELABORATE, IT CAN JUST BE A COUPLE BULLET POINTS. THAT'S FAIR. BUT THAT WILL ALSO HELP WITH THE COMMUNICATION IF COUNCIL DECIDES TO GO WITH IT NOT BEING STAFF AND IT BEING, BEING, UM, BEING COUNCIL. AND THEN I ALSO WANTED TO ASK FOR THE CHAMBER IF WE COULD, I MEAN, WHOEVER THE VOTING MEMBER IS OR WHOEVER'S ON THE BOARD, COULD WE POSSIBLY HAVE A STAFF MEMBER JUST ATTEND? OR ARE THEY CLOSED TO JUST THE BOARD? NO, ACTUALLY THEY'RE OPEN. AND THERE MIGHT BE A, A COMPROMISE HERE ALSO. WHAT A WONDERFUL PROBLEM TO HAVE THAT PEOPLE REALLY WANNA BE INVOLVED WITH THE CHAMBER. I'M SO APPRECIATIVE. BUT PERHAPS WE, UM, THE INVESTOR, UM, LEVEL CARRIES A BOARD SEAT. BUT, UM, WE COULD ALSO PERHAPS ADD AN EXOFFICIO BOARD, UM, POSITION. SO THAT WAY WE WOULD HAVE TWO, ONE BE WOULD BE ELECTED, ONE WOULD BE STAFF. MM-HMM . AND THAT WAY WE'RE DOUBLE COVERED. SURE. MAYOR, I GOT ONE OTHER THING. ONE OTHER CAVEAT THAT, THAT WE'RE NOT TAKING IN CONSIDERATION THAT I JUST MENTIONED IS THAT MR. NEWMAN IS NOT ONLY A COUNCIL MEMBER, HE'S ALSO A BOARD MEMBER ON THE AIRPORT. SO WE HAVE THIS BROAD BRUSH OF TALENT SITTING UP HERE THAT OTHERWISE DOESN'T NECESSARILY EXIST UPSTAIRS. OKAY. NOT TAKING ANYTHING AWAY FROM ANY, ANYBODY. RIGHT. BUT WE'RE ALL BUSTING OUR BUTTS MM-HMM . TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS CITY IS THE BEST THAT WE CAN BE. AND I THINK THAT MR. NEWMAN IS, IS THE BEST GUY TO, TO SPEARHEAD THAT WITH THE CHAMBER, WHICH ONE HE'S WILLING TO TAKE IT ON. YOU KNOW, I, I LIKE ONE OF THOSE, ONE OF THOSE POSITIONS. YEAH. BUT YOU CAN ONLY HAVE ONE. WE'RE ONLY GONNA PUT ONE COUNCIL, BUT WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT CHAMBER. RIGHT. WELL, RIGHT NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CHAMBER. AND I THINK IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT UGC, WE'LL BRING IT BACK. OH, SO THERE'S A, SO WE'RE ABLE TO HAVE ONE ELECTED OFFICIAL AND ONE YOU'RE SAYING ONE STAFF. STAFF. IF I CAN, IF I CAN GO BACK TO MY BOARD AND SAY THE INVESTOR SEAT WILL BE FILLED BY EITHER ELECTED OR STAFF, AND THEN I WOULD LIKE TO ADD AN EX OFFICIO BOARD SEAT THAT WOULD BE FILLED BY. SO WE, YOU WOULD HAVE TWO BOARD SEATS. MM-HMM . UM, AND BOTH WOULD BE WELCOME. THAT WOULD BE DYNAMITE. YEAH. THAT WOULD BE SO COOL. THAT WOULD, THAT'D WORK OUT. REALLY MA'AM. AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, THAT'S THE CASE. AND, YOU KNOW, I, I'D LIKE TO, 'CAUSE WITH THE, MY BUSINESSES ARE, I'M GETTING PRETTY BUSY AND, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO COME OFF AND COME ON MORE IN A BUSINESS CAPACITY. I, I LOVE THAT. AND YOU, YOU ARE ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO ANSWERS THE CALL WHENEVER I NEED YOU, SO I KNOW. I KNOW. BUT 7:30 AM IS VERY EARLY. I THINK THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD WORK REALLY GOOD. SO, MAYOR, GO AHEAD. GOOD MA'AM. JUST A QUESTION. THAT SECOND SEAT. YES. IS THAT A NON-VOTING OR ARE THEY BOTH VOTING? UM, THE EX OFFICIO, I BELIEVE ARE NON-VOTING. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. YEP. SO LET'S CONSIDER WHO, WHICH, WHICH WOULD BE FINE, BECAUSE IT, AGAIN, IT, I LIKE THAT IT'S ABOUT COMMUNICATION, RIGHT. CONNECTION WITH THE CITY AND THE CITY CAN, YOU KNOW, SEE THAT EXACTLY. AND AND EVEN THOUGH THE CHAMBER MAY CALL IT THIS INVESTOR, YOU KNOW, VOTING MEMBER VERSUS EX OFFICIO, IT, THEY'RE BOTH FUNCTIONALLY EXOFFICIO, RIGHT? YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE THIS POSITION BECAUSE WE'RE MEMBERS AND YOU'RE ON CITY COUNCIL, RIGHT? SO IF IT'S A, YOU CHOOSE, YOU CHOOSE ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS TO SIT IN THAT VOTING MEMBER SEAT, AND THEN THERE'S A STAFF MEMBER THAT ALSO FILLS THE NON-VOTING MEMBER SEAT TO, YOU KNOW, STILL BE ABLE TO GET MORE INPUT AND, AND UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON WITH CHAMBER LEVEL. SO CAN, CAN I ASK HIM, UH, ADAM, A TECHNICAL, I ALMOST CALLED YOU MATT. SORRY, MAN. , UM, A TECHNICAL QUESTION ON THIS, BECAUSE YOU WROTE A REALLY WONDERFUL, UH, UH, POLICY HERE. UH, I THINK YOU WROTE IT OR DID KEVIN WRITE IT? KEVIN? OH, I'M SORRY KEVIN. YOU WROTE A GREAT POLICY. . UM, DO WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING? CAN WE MAKE THIS DECISION NOW? UM, I LIKE, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE DOING THIS RIGHT. 'CAUSE PART OF IT IS A NAME CHANGE WITH OUR DOCUMENTATION MM-HMM . AND THE OTHER PART IS THIS, UH, STA THIS, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER IN EX OFFICIO. HOW WOULD THE APPROPRIATE MOTION, LIKE DO I JUST PLAIN LANGUAGE SAY IT? OR DO YOU NEED ME TO DO SOMETHING SPECIAL, I GUESS POLICY FROM THE COMPANY? YEAH, I THINK, I THINK, I THINK, AND, AND I THINK KEVIN AND I CAN MASSAGE A LITTLE BIT, BUT I THINK THE, THE UNDERLYING DIRECTION TO CHANGE POLICY 40 MM-HMM . IS TO UPDATE THE NAME TO SPACE COAST CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. AND THEN, WELL, HERE, HERE'S WHAT IT GETS TRICKY. 'CAUSE IF I, 'CAUSE IF I UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY, SHE'S STILL GOTTA GO BACK TO THE CHAMBER BOARD TO APPROVE THE SECOND ONE. SO AT LEAST FOR TONIGHT, IF THE GOAL IS, RATHER THAN SAYING [03:20:01] A DESIGNATED STAFF MEMBER, AS, AS KEVIN'S RED LINE PROPOSED, IT'S COUNCIL WILL APPOINT A COUNCIL MEMBER TO, TO FILL THAT SEAT RATHER THAN THE MAYOR. WE UNDERSTAND THAT TO BE THE DIRECTION. RIGHT. AND THEN AT THE NEXT MEETING, WE MAY GET MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE ABILITY TO ALSO ADD A NON-VOTING STAFF MEMBER, RIGHT? YEAH. AND WE CAN CHANGE COUNCIL POLICY 40 AGAIN AT THE NEXT MEETING TO, TO SUPPLEMENT IT AGAIN. SO WHETHER, WHETHER YOU DO IT IN PART TONIGHT OR WAIT TILL THE NEXT MEETING WHEN WE'VE GOT MORE THAT'S COUNCIL'S PLEASURE. BUT IF, IF THERE'S AT LEAST AN UNDERSTANDING TONIGHT OF UPDATE THE NAME AND MODIFY THAT THE MAYOR IS THE, YOU KNOW, UH, APPOINTED PERSON VERSUS COUNCIL WILL SELECT A COUNCIL MEMBER TO, TO SIT ON IN THAT SEAT. I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S ENOUGH THERE THAT WE CAN, WE CAN MAKE THAT MODIFICATION DO A DULY, OFFICIALLY ELECTED MEMBER OF CITY COUNCIL, MAYOR OR NON MAYOR SO THAT IT'S ACROSS THE BOARD IF WE DON'T HAVE TO EXCLUDE, I DON'T THINK. RIGHT. OR IT COULD BE MAYOR, UH, AND OR, YOU KNOW, SO THINK ALWAYS FOR YOU. I IMAGINE, I IMAGINE SOMETHING HAPPENS. I IMAGINE COUNCIL AND THE CHAMBER IS LOOKING FOR CONSISTENCY ON WHO IS THAT APPOINTED PERSON. SO IT'S NOT JUST A COUNCIL MEMBER SHOWING UP FOR, FOR EVERY MEETING UNLESS THAT FLEXIBILITY EXISTS. WELL, THIS WOULD BE LIKE, WE NORMALLY EVERY NOVEMBER GO AND PICK OUR PEOPLE. EXACTLY. USUALLY WE KEEP THAT ROTATION OF THE, YOU KNOW, OF HOW THAT GOES UNLESS SOMETHING COMES UP, RIGHT? YEAH. AND, UM, UH, INVESTOR MEMBERS CAN REGULARLY DESIGNATE A BOARD MEMBER. THE CONSISTENCY IS IMPORTANT. RIGHT. BUT IF IT DOESN'T WORK, WE CAN SWITCH. OKAY. WE NEED, WE NEED A MOTION ON THAT. I GOT A MOTION. YOU'LL MAKE A MOTION. I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT INSTEAD OF, UH, CHANGING IT FROM MAYOR TO A STAFF MEMBER, IF I'M GETTING IT CORRECTLY YEAH. TO MEMBER THAT WE'RE GONNA CHANGE, THAT WE'RE GOING TO KEEP, THE ONLY CHANGE WE'RE GONNA MAKE IS THAT, UH, THE APPOINTED BOARD MEMBER FOR THE SPACE COAST CHAMBER IS GONNA BE MAYOR AND OR ANY COUNCIL MEMBER. CORRECT. OKAY. IS THAT OKAY? I MEAN, WOULD THAT WORK? I WOULD CALL IT A DE A DESIGNATED COUNCIL MEMBER. RIGHT. OR AN APPOINTED COUNCIL MEMBER BY, BY CITY COUNCIL. DO THE LANGUAGE. LET'S WE HAVE A MOTION. I'LL SECOND THAT. MOTION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE. AYE. AND THAT MOTION PASSES. OH, THE MOTION. THE MOTION DIDN'T CAPTURE THE NAME CHANGE, BUT I THINK, I THINK THAT WAS THE UNDERSTANDING. RIGHT? MAYOR, MAKE A MOTION. MAKE A MOTION TO CHANGE THE NAME, UH, FROM ACCEPT THE MOTION. ACCEPT THE CHANGE. YEP. TO ACCEPT THE NAME CHANGE. YES. ACCEPT THE CHA UH, NAME CHANGE THE SPACE COAST. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION. SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? HOW ABOUT AYE. AND THAT MOTION PASSES LAST ITEM IN THE, AND THE CITY CLERK JUST BROUGHT IT UP. NOW THAT WE'VE, NOW THAT YOU'VE MADE THAT REVISION TO CITY COUNCIL POLICY TO CHOOSE TO APPOINT AND CHOOSE WHOM AMONG YOU WILL, WILL BE THAT DESIGNATED MEMBER. DO YOU WANNA TAKE THAT ACTION TONIGHT? YES. AND SO THAT, A MOTION ON THAT NOW WOULD BE ALSO BE APPROPRIATE. I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER NEWMAN. I SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION. ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? NOMINATE MARCUS SMITH. OKAY. GOT MARCUS SMITH. UH, DAVE NEWMAN. OKAY. WE'LL GO DOWN THE BOARD. GO TO THE BOARD. WE'LL GO DOWN THE LIST FOR ROLL CALL. I MAY CALL. SO YOU'LL JUST, YOU'LL STATE THE NAME OF THE PERSON YOU WANT TO THE PERSON BETWEEN YEAH. MARCUS SMITH AND DAVID NEWMAN. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER. LARUSSO NEWMAN. COUNCIL MEMBER. NEWMAN. NEWMAN. COUNCIL MEMBER BASSETT NEWMAN. COUNCIL MEMBER HANLEY NEWMAN. COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH. SMITH. VICE MAYOR. KENNEDY SMITH. UH, DAD, I'LL GO FOR SMITH. MAYOR ALFRE, UH, NEWMAN. SO THAT WOULD BE NEWMAN. OKAY. ALRIGHT. AND THEN LIKE, ME TRYING TO GO FROM THERE. DIDN'T WORK. ALL RIGHT. DIDN'T WORK. DIDN'T WORK. SO WE'RE MOVING ON. I THINK WE'RE GOOD THERE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND AGAIN, CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU. BEFORE BIG DAY. THANK YOU. A GREAT EVENT. I REALLY, REALLY ENJOYED. IT WAS AN EXCELLENT EVENT. WE DID TOO. AND WELCOME TO THE BOARD. THANK YOU. HAPPY TO BE THE HUDSON. YEP. ALL RIGHT. SO ACTUALLY WE WANNA MOVE AND DISCUSS, YOU WANNA GO AND DISCUSS THAT ITEM? YES. UM, I AM, I'M SORRY THIS WAS SENT SO LATE TODAY. HOWEVER, JUST A BRIEF LEGISLATIVE UPDATE, IF YOU'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THE FLORIDA LEGAL CITY'S EMAILS, THIS IS, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THIS IS, IS IN THOSE, IN THE UPDATES. IF, IF YOU ARE NOT GETTING THOSE EMAILS, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. THERE'S TWO OF THEM THAT TO ME, ARE THE, ARE THE MORE BENEFICIAL ONES. THE ONE IS THE ONE THAT COMES OUT ON FRIDAY, IT'S CALLED ONTAP AT THE CAP. AND IT GIVES A SUMMARY OF WHAT'S GONE ON FOR THE WEEK. THE OTHER ONE IS, UM, THEY SEND AN EMAIL OUT ON MONDAY MORNING AFTER THEIR WEBINAR. AND, UM, IT GIVES A SUMMARY FOR WHAT'S COMING UP FOR THE WEEK. UM, THERE ARE MANY OTHER BILLS THAT WE ARE TRACKING AND LOOKING AT. UM, BUT THE ONES THAT I POINTED OUT IN THE UPDATE, UM, THE MAIN ONE IS THE PROPERTY TAX. AND, UM, I'VE ASKED ROSS TO GIVE US [03:25:01] A, A SUMMARY OF WHAT THAT MEANS TO US REVENUE WISE. AND I, I AM GONNA TURN IT OVER TO ROSS, IF YOU DON'T MIND ON THAT. AND I DO WANNA POINT OUT THAT SOME OF THE IDEAS HE HAS TO MAKE UP FOR THE REVENUE LOSS, WE ARE JUST, WE, THEY'RE OPTIONS. THEY'RE OUT THERE. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE SET ON ANY ONE OF THEM. WE'VE BEEN LISTENING TO WHAT OTHER COMMUNITIES, WHAT OTHER MUNICIPALITIES HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, AND THESE ARE IDEAS THAT ARE OUT THERE FOR OTHER COMMUNITIES. SO, UM, WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO ROSS. GOOD EVENING AGAIN, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. UH, AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE FOR MY VOICE, DEAR. WORTH ME. UM, BUT PLEASE DO INTERRUPT. IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANNA ENGAGE ME ON, ON ANY OF THESE TOPICS, I'M, I'M HAPPY TO TRY AND ELABORATE. UM, I, I, I CAN, I'M NOT ADVOCATING FOR OR AGAINST THESE BILLS. I'M TRYING TO ARM YOU WITH THE INFORMATION FOR YOU AND FOR ANYONE LISTENING TO ARM THEMSELVES APPROPRIATELY TO DECIDE AMONGST THEMSELVES. UM, SO OBVIOUSLY THE BIG 900 POUND GORILLA IN THE ROOM HAS BEEN THE TALK OF ELIMINATING HOMESTEADED PROPERTY TAX. I THINK THERE'S BEEN, UH, UPWARDS OF, YOU KNOW, DOUBLE DIGIT, UH, HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTIONS TO DISCUSS VARIATIONS OF THAT, UH, THAT POLICY CHANGE. UH, LOOKING AT THE MOST BARE MINIMUM, UM, KIND OF COMMON THEMES AMONG THEM WOULD BE THE ELIMINATION OF THE HOMESTEADED PROPERTY TAX FOR ANYONE THAT IS CURRENTLY QUALIFYING FOR THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION CURRENTLY. UH, TAKING A DATA DIVE INTO WHAT THE PROPERTY TAX APPRAISER AND WHAT THE TAX COLLECTOR HAS AVAILABLE TO US. AND LOOKING BACK AT THIS CURRENT YEAR'S TAX ROLE, UH, THAT REPRESENTS ABOUT $18.1 MILLION THAT THE CITY, UH, BRINGS IN, IN A GIVEN YEAR. UH, SO NOT CHUMP CHANGE BY ANY SENTENCE OF THE WORD. IT'S, IT'S, UH, IT'S A VERY, UH, SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF OUR REVENUES. UH, WHEN YOU CONSIDER ALL THAT GOES INTO THE GENERAL FUND, AND IF I CAN INTERRUPT FOR JUST A SECOND, UM, RIGHT NOW, THE STATUS, ALL INDICATION IS THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE A SPECIAL SESSION TOPIC. SO AT LEAST, I MEAN, THAT COULD CHANGE TOMORROW FOR ALL I KNOW, BUT RIGHT NOW THAT IS THE INDICATION IS THIS WILL, THEY'RE GONNA GO INTO A SPECIAL SESSION. CAN I SAY SOMETHING? BUT MA'AM, YES, BECAUSE I WENT UP THERE FOR THE LEGISL, THE DAYS THE HOUSE HAS SO MANY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GOING INTO SO MANY DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS THAT THE SENATE HAS TURNED AROUND AND GOES, WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING RIGHT NOW TILL THEY, TILL THEY COME UP WITH A CONSENSUS OF ANYTHING, THEY'RE ALL SAYING THEY'RE STEPPING BACK AT THE SENATE SIDE. THAT'S WHAT MAYFIELD SAID. AND UM, SENATOR WRIGHT WHEN I, WHEN I WAS IN THAT OFFICE. SO THEY'RE KIND OF STEPPING BACK GOING, YEAH, WE'RE GONNA SEE WHERE IT MIGHT NOT EVEN, BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE WAS 31 PEOPLE IN THE ROOM, THEY SAID IN THE 31 DIFFERENT OPINIONS ON THIS SITUATION HERE. UM, THAT WAS ONE OF THE, I'M SORRY, I'M PULLING YOUR, BUT THAT WAS ONE OF, AT THE LEAGUE OF CITIES, THAT'S WHAT THEY, UP THERE, THAT'S WHAT THEY SPOKE ABOUT. THERE'S 31 PEOPLE BACK IN JULY. THERE'S 31 DIFFERENT OPINIONS ON HOW THIS SHOULD GO. NOBODY KNOWS WHERE IT'S GONNA GO. IT MIGHT NOT EVEN GO ANYWHERE. THERE, THERE IS ONE THINGS LIKE THAT SAYING, AND THE SENATE SAID, THIS IS NOT GONNA BE, THIS IS GONNA BE A SPECIALIST SESSION. THAT'S ALL. UNLESS SOMETHING BIZARRE HAPPENS NOW UNTIL THE END, THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE SAYING. OKAY. ALRIGHT. YOU WANNA GO AHEAD. SO, UH, AGAIN, LOOKING AT WHAT, UH, APPEARED FROM, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE AS AS LIKELY CANDIDATES TO GET OUT OF THAT SCRUM, UH, WOULD, WOULD EFFECTIVELY BE MOST OF THE TOPIC HERE THAT I'M GONNA TALK TO YOU TODAY IS ABOUT IS HOMESTEADED PROPERTIES NO LONGER BEING ON THE TAX ROLLS. UM, IF YOU MOVE ALONG TO SOME OF THE OTHER, UH, TYPES OF BILLS THAT ARE OUT THERE CURRENTLY, UM, WE'RE MONITORING THE ELIMINATION OF BUSINESS TAX RECEIPTS THAT CURRENTLY GENERATES ABOUT 1 MILLION IN REVENUE FOR THE GENERAL FUND CURRENTLY. UH, THAT'S BEEN A, ANOTHER ONE OF THESE PINATAS THAT TENDS TO GET PUT OUT THERE TO WE GET, UM, LOOKED AT BY THE LEGISLATURE EVERY YEAR TO SAY WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT IT OR DON'T WANT IT. UH, THERE'S VARIATION IN THEMES, BUT THE WHAT'S OUT THERE RIGHT NOW IS PROPOSING, UH, AN ELIMINATION OF IT. UM, AND THEN THE LAST ONE, UH, I, I'VE BEEN BRINGING UP MORE AND MORE JUST OUT OF, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I LOVE GETTING HEART ATTACKS THIS TIME OF YEAR THINKING ABOUT WHAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE, BUT, UH, THE ELIMINATION OR CAPPING OF ENTERPRISE TRANSFERS TO THE GENERAL FUND. YOU'VE HEARD ME TALK ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST. WHEN WE RAISE WATER REVENUES, THE GENERAL FUND RECEIVES A RATE OF RETURN OF 6.5% OF THAT REVENUE. UM, SO RIGHT NOW THAT'S 4.8 MILLION ROUGHLY IN A GIVEN YEAR. AND IF THEY WERE TO CAP IT IN A WAY THAT WOULD EVER IMPACT THAT 6.5%, UM, PRIOR YEARS, IT HAD TALKED ABOUT TOTAL ELIMINATION. UH, OTHER YEARS TALKED ABOUT A FORMULA THAT'S BASED OFF OF THE PUBLIC SERVICE COMMISSION'S, UH, APPROACH TO DOING IT, WHICH WOULD'VE NEGATIVELY IMPACTED US, UH, AS WELL. BUT RIGHT NOW THERE'S NOT A BILL THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GETTING ACROSS THE LINE THIS SESSION, BUT WE'VE SEEN THINGS RESURRECT THROUGHOUT VARIOUS, UH, SESSIONS AND, UH, JUST SOMETHING TO KEEP AN EYE ON. BUT BECAUSE THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT REVENUE SOURCE FOR THE, UH, FOR THE GENERAL [03:30:01] FUND. SO MY MAIN CONCERN HERE IS IF YOU HAD TO FIND 18.1, UM, I JUST REALIZED I HAD THE REMOTE HERE TOO. I REALLY ONLY HAVE TWO LEVERS. UH, YOU KNOW, I'M FELL IN TWO BUCKETS. ONE'S REVENUES, ONE'S EXPENDITURES. IF THEY'RE TAKING WATER OUT THE REVENUE BUCKET, I EVEN NEED TO PUT MORE WATER IN BY INCREASING TAXES, FEES OR OTHER CHARGES FOR SERVICES OR NEED TO TAKE WATER OUTTA BUCKET TWO, WHICH IS THE EXPENSES SIDE, WHICH MEANS A DECREASE IN LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT WE CURRENTLY PROVIDE. IT'S REALLY BOILS DOWN TO JUST THAT MY JOB SEEMS DIFFICULT AT TIMES, BUT THAT IS THE BASE FUNCTION OF IT IN, IN EVERY BUDGET CYCLE. IF YOU HAVE MORE RESOURCES, YOU CAN DO MORE WITH THEM. IF YOU HAVE LESS RESOURCES, YOU CAN DO LESS WITH THEM. UM, MOVING FORWARD TO KIND OF EXPLORE WHAT THOSE TWO OPTIONS LOOK LIKE AT A CITYWIDE LEVEL FOR 18.1 MILLION OR THEREABOUT, UM, OTHER OPTIONS THAT YOU COULD PURSUE, IF THIS IS A HOMESTEADED ONLY SITUATION AND YOU STILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO LEVY PROPERTY TAXES ON COMMERCIAL AND NON HOMESTEADED PROPERTIES, IF WE TOOK THE SAME TAX ROLL THAT WAS SUBMITTED THIS YEAR, IT WOULD RESULT IN A 47.5 INCREASE ON PROPERTY TAXES FOR COMMERCIAL AND NON-RESIDENT OR NON HOMESTEADED PROPERTIES. HOW MUCH, AGAIN? 47.5%. HOLY. OH, I'M SO SORRY. I'M SO USED TO DOING IT THE OTHER WAY. FORGIVE ME. UM, BUT IN OTHER WORDS, YOU WOULD NEED 47.5% WE JUST DID OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST FEW YEARS, UH, A FRACTION OF THAT. SO EVEN UNDER CURRENT STATE LAW, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO ENACT A FULL REPLACEMENT USING THE OTHER PORTIONS OF PROPERTY TAX BECAUSE IT WOULD EXCEED THE 10 MIL CAP. WE WOULD HAVE TO BE AT 10.7846. WE'RE AT 7.0112 FOR REFERENCE. SO, AND I WILL SEND ALL OF THIS TO YOU GUYS IF YOU EVER NEED TALKING POINTS FOR WHATEVER IT IS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. AGAIN, I'M NOT ADVOCATING FOR ANY OF THIS. I'M MERELY GIVING YOU THE INFORMATION OF WHAT THE COMMON LANGUAGE, UH, VERSIONS OF THESE ARE AND HOW THEY IMPACT OUR REVENUE. QUICK QUESTION. SO, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN ANSWER THIS. SO TO MY UNDERSTANDING, THEY ALWAYS, THEY KEEP TALKING THAT SCHOOLS WOULD NOT, WOULD STILL, IT'D STILL BE COLLECTED TAXES. HOW WOULD THEY DO THAT? SUPPOSEDLY THE ONLY THING THAT'S COMING OFF IS THE EXEMPTION ON LOCAL TAXES THAT ARE NON-SCHOOL BASED. RIGHT. BECAUSE EVERYBODY HAS THIS IDEA THAT IT IS, I DON'T HAVE TO PAY TAXES AT ALL. YOU STILL HAVE TO PAY SCHOOL TAXES. CORRECT. AND IF, OKAY, SO, AND THE, AND THE FOR FIRE AND, AND POLICE, THERE'S DIFFERENT AND, AND THERE AND THERE'S VARIATIONS ON EVERY BILL. SO JUST, JUST FOR, FOR MY PURPOSES THERE, THERE'S, LIKE I SAID, THERE'S DIFFERENT ONES FOR DIFFERENT YEAH. OKAY. SO, SO FOR MY PURPOSES, I'M ASSUMING, AND THIS IS FOR DISCUSSION, IT CAN GO ANY NUMBER OF WAYS FROM HERE, OBVIOUSLY LIKE, 'CAUSE NOTHING'S SET IN STONE, BUT THE COMMON PREVAILING THOUGHT THAT I'VE SEEN AND HEARD IN, IN WHATEVER VERSIONS OF FLORIDA LEGAL CITIES OR THE CONVERSATIONS THAT THEY HAD AT THE SELECT COMMITTEE, I WATCHED ALL OF THAT. UM, DON'T . UH, IN ESSENCE, THERE'S NOT A SUBSTANTIVE DISCUSSION TO SAY WHERE WE SHOULD BE ON THIS TOPIC IN A COMPREHENSIVE MANNER. IT'S THE IDEA IS LET'S ELIMINATE LOCAL PROPERTY TAXES THAT ARE FOR NON-SCHOOL FUNCTIONS. SO COUNTY AND CITIES. AND AT THAT POINT, IS IT JUST THE HOMESTEAD OF PROPERTIES? UH, DO WE PUT BREAKS ON KEEPING LAW ENFORCEMENT BUDGETS AT THE SAME LEVEL AS THEY WERE DURING THIS LAST BUDGET CYCLE? DO THEY EXPAND THAT TO INCLUDE FIRE? ALL OF THAT'S UP IN THE AIR. ALL OF THAT HAS, HAS BEEN A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING VERY CLOSELY. BUT FOR MY ASSUMPTION, I'M ASSUMING THAT I CANNOT TOUCH LAW ENFORCEMENT. THAT SEEMS TO BE THE PREVAILING THOUGHT. THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SAYING. THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SAYING. SO THAT'S A, A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF YOUR BUDGET THAT YOU, YOU CANNOT ALTER FROM THAT POINT. MM-HMM . UM, AND WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE OTHER OPTIONS, WHICH I'LL GET TO ON THESE NEXT COMING SLIDES, UH, THE ASSUMPTION IS THAT I CAN'T TOUCH THAT, BUT HERE'S YOUR OTHER OPTIONS. SO, UH, OKAY. RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT THE REVENUE SIDE QUESTION. YEAH, ROSS. SO, I MEAN, THIS IS A LOT OF TALK ABOUT THIS, BUT I'M STILL HAVE NOT, I'VE YET TO FIND OUT WHY IS THIS BEING PROPOSED FROM AT THE STATE LEVEL. AND THEN MY SECOND QUESTION RELATED TO THAT HAS, WHAT IS THE, WHAT ARE THEY PROPOSING AS A REPLACEMENT FOR REVENUE? THERE IS NO, NO ONE HAS DISCUSSED A REPLACEMENT. THAT'S WHAT I THINK, SO, WELL, YOU ALREADY KNOW YOUR ANSWER. CAN I SAY, CAN I SAY SOMETHING TO THAT ONE? YEAH, BECAUSE IT WAS BROUGHT UP THERE. GO AHEAD MA'AM. PLEASE. THEY WANNA DO SOMETHING BOLD AND DIFFERENT AND YOU ARE JUST IN, YOU JUST NOT THINKING FORWARD. OKAY. THAT WAS MY, THAT'S ANSWER. THAT WAS THE ANSWER THAT I GOT THAT I, THAT WAS SET UP THERE. SOMETHING WHOLE. OKAY. SO, SO IF YOU'LL ALLOW ME, I'LL, I'M, I'LL TOUCH A LITTLE BIT ON THIS, ON THE NEXT ONE IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT. ALRIGHT. SO AGAIN, IF IT'S JUST PROPERTY TAX AND WE'RE TRYING TO FILL THE HOLE IN THE BUCKET AND USE OTHER PROPERTY TAXES, 47.5% INCREASE TO KEEP IT WHOLE. SORRY, I'M STILL TRYING TO GET USED TO HAVING TWO SCREENS IN FRONT OF ME. UM, THE OTHER OPTION THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO RAISE REVENUES IS A FIRE ASSESSMENT [03:35:01] FEE. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COCO HAS, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, OTHER CITIES AND MUNICIPALITIES APPROACH. IF YOU ASK, UH, RETIRED CHIEF BOGLE, WHENEVER HE WOULD ASK ME ABOUT A FIRE FEE, WE GOT INTO A VERY SPIRITED DEBATE EVERY TIME OF WHY I DO NOT LIKE A FIRE FEE. UH, BECAUSE OUR CURRENT SETUP ALLOWS FOR THOSE, UH, THAT BENEFIT FROM PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTIONS, YOUR DISABLED VETERANS, YOUR DEPLOYED MILITARY, LOW INCOME SENIORS AND NONPROFITS, THEY'RE NOT EXEMPTED FROM FIRE ASSESSMENTS. SO RATHER THAN KEEPING TAKING REVENUE SO THAT YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE A HOMESTEAD OF PROPERTY OWNER, YOU'RE NO LONGER PAYING THIS, WELL, THEY ALREADY WEREN'T PAYING IT, BUT IF I PUT ON A FIRE FEE, EVERYONE'S PAYING IT. THERE IS NO CONSIDERATIONS FOR, FOR THOSE GROUPS. SO YOU'RE EFFECTIVELY HURTING THEM IN FAVOR OF PEOPLE WITH HOMESTEADED PROPERTIES. SO IT'S NOT RIGHT, IT'S NOT WRONG. IT'S POLICY. IT'S A POLICY DECISION. AND THE, AND THAT'S AN OPTION FOR US TO CONSIDER IF YOU HAVE TO FILL AN $18.1 MILLION HOLE IN THE BUDGET. MOVING ON TO, UH, OTHER REVENUE OPTIONS, AND THIS IS TO TOUCH ON WHAT, UH, MR. SMITH HAD JUST BROUGHT UP. NONE OF THE ESTABLISHED POLICY PROPOSALS ARE DISCUSSING WHAT THAT REVENUE REPLACEMENT MECHANISM FROM THE STATE LOOKS LIKE OR EVEN IS. OKAY. THE ONLY THING THAT I'VE HEARD IN ANY SUBSTANTIVE MANNER WAS THAT THE FISCALLY CONSTRAINED COUNTIES WOULD BE BACKFILLED BY THE STATE'S ALREADY EXISTING REVENUES. SO SALES TAX. AND UNFORTUNATELY WE ARE NOT, WELL FORTUNATELY, AND UNFORTUNATELY WE ARE NOT ONE OF THOSE FISCALLY CONSTRAINED COUNTIES AND THEREFORE WOULD NOT BE ELIGIBLE UNDER THAT NAMED POSSIBLE PROPOSAL. MM-HMM . AGAIN, NOTHING IN WRITING. SO WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT WHAT THIS MAY ACTUALLY LOOK LIKE. BUT AGAIN, COMMON THOUGHTS WOULD, WOULD BE THAT IF THE STATE WERE TO INCREASE SALES TAXES, THAT WOULD BE ONE WAY TO HELP KIND OF FILL THE HOLE FOR THE VARIOUS CITIES AND COUNTIES THAT NO LONGER CAN RELY ON PROPERTY TAX. SO AGAIN, IF YOU ARE AN ALREADY EXEMPTED, UH, DISABLED PERSON, A DEPLOYED MILITARY DISABLED VETERAN, UH, NONPROFIT, MOST OF US ARE PAYING SALES TAX, THERE IS NO EXEMPTION FOR THAT. SO AGAIN, YOU'RE SHIFTING THE BURDEN ONTO THOSE ALREADY ADVANTAGED GROUPS FROM A PROPERTY TAX TAX PER POLICY PERSPECTIVE. UM, WHAT WAS WORSE YET IS WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT DURING THE FIRST QUARTER BUDGET, IF THE STATE WERE TO GO ABOUT THIS THE WAY THEY HAVE IN PRIOR YEARS WHEN THEY TAKE AWAY A REVENUE STREAM, THAT YOU CAN SEE THIS IN OUR SALES TAXES THEY TOOK AWAY CIGARETTE TAX AGES AGO, BACK IN LIKE THE SIXTIES, THEY GAVE US WHATEVER THAT AMOUNT WAS IN OUR BUDGET THAT YEAR. THEY LOCKED IT AND SAID, THE STATE'S GONNA GIVE YOU THAT FROM OUR SALES TAX SO THAT WE HAVE IT GUARANTEED EVERY YEAR IN THE STATE SHARED REVENUE. SO IF THEY WERE TO DO THE SAME APPROACH, THE DOWNSIDE WOULD BE, OKAY, WE'RE WHOLE YEAR ONE. BUT THAT REQUIREMENT, THAT REQUIREMENT TO NOT CUT LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY BUDGETS OR WHATEVER THEY WANT TO EXEMPT OR NOT EXEMPT, THAT REQUIREMENT DOESN'T SAY, I ALSO NEED TO GIVE THEM RAISES THE NEXT 20 YEARS, BECAUSE YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO AFFORD IT. IF YOU'RE A CITY LIKE MELBOURNE WHERE YOU'RE RELYING ON INFILL, UH, AND REDEVELOPMENT WHEN YOU HAVE PALM BAY STRIP MINING THE LAND TO BASICALLY PUT DOWN BRAND NEW HOMES AND COW PASTURES, WE DON'T HAVE THAT. SO YOU'RE GONNA SLOWLY STRUGGLE COMPARED TO YOUR PEERS, JUST LIKE WE'VE BEEN SEEING IN THOSE POPULATION BASED FORMULAS. EVEN IF THAT IS THE SUCCESSFUL, YOU KNOW, PROPOSAL IDEA FOR WHATEVER IS, IF THERE IS ANY AT ALL TYPE OF BACKSTOP. SO TO GO TO THE OTHER, OTHER LEVER IS, IF I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO REPLACE THE REVENUE, WHAT DO YOU CUT? SO IF WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT LAW ENFORCEMENT NOT BEING A PART OF THE EQUATION, YOUR OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT YOU UTILIZE, UH, IN THE GENERAL FUND, THOSE ARE THEIR NET IMPACTS. AND YOU CAN SEE THAT PARKS AND RECREATION HAS A NET IMPACT TO THE GENERAL FUND OF 7.7. I INCLUDED MYSELF ON THIS 'CAUSE I'M JUST AS, AS SUSCEPTIBLE TO THIS AS ANYBODY ELSE. FINANCE IS 2.6. UH, INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY IS 5.5, BUT THINK ABOUT WHAT'S IN THOSE BUDGETS. WHO'S CUTTING THE CHECKS FOR THE LAW ENFORCEMENT PERSONNEL? WHO'S CUTTING THE CHECKS FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT? WHO IS RUNNING THE FLOCK CAMERA SYSTEMS AND SUBSCRIPTIONS? THOSE ARE IN THESE BUDGETS. AND IF I'M TO TAKE 18.1 MILLION OUT OF THESE BUDGETS TO LEAVE EVERYTHING ELSE ALONE, I'M TALKING ABOUT TAKING TWO THIRDS OF EVERY ONE OF THOSE DEPARTMENT'S BUDGETS AND ELIMINATING THEM AT MINIMUM. SO THERE IS NO WAY TO DO THIS IN A STRUCTURALLY PROFICIENT MANNER THAT WON'T HARM YOUR OTHER CORE SERVICES, EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT EXPLICITLY LISTED. THERE ISN'T. YOUR NEXT OPTION, WHICH HAS BEEN THE POPULAR ONE AMONGST MY PEERS, IS THAT IF YOU ARE A, A, A MUNICIPALITY THAT SERVES FIRE BUT DOES NOT TRANSPORT YOU ACHIEVE ECONOMIES OF SCALE BY CONSOLIDATING WITH THE COUNTY. IF YOU LOOK AT ST. LUCIE COUNTY, THEY HAVE A FIRE DISTRICT THAT ENCOMPASSES ALL OF THE SERVICES FOR FIRE AND EMS COUNTYWIDE. NOW, I'M NOT ADVOCATING FOR THIS, BUT THE IDEA BEHIND IT, AND THE WHY IT'S [03:40:01] POPULAR AMONGST MY PEERS IS IT KEEPS THE BUDGET STRUCTURALLY SOUND MOVING FORWARD. IT'S A LESS LESSER DEMAND ON FUTURE BUDGETS WHERE, YOU KNOW, PARKS AND REC CAN'T DEMAND THAT OF YOU IN THE SAME WAY THAT YOU WOULD BE DEMANDED OF BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. AND UNFORTUNATELY, BUT ALSO FORTUNATELY, THAT'S WHAT THESE POLICIES ARE, IT'S PROS AND CONS. UH, WE'VE SEEN SUCCESSFUL LOBBYING EFFORTS LIKE CS HB 9 29 LAST YEAR, WHICH WAS BASICALLY A STEPPING STONE TO ALMOST MANDATING THAT WE WOULD GIVE A 42 HOUR WORK WEEK FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT THAT WOULD REQUIRE US TO HIRE 50 ADDITIONAL FIREFIGHTER POSITIONS BETWEEN LIEUTENANTS, EMTS, AND THE LIKE. SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, IF I'M TAKING 18.1 MILLION OUT OF THE EQUATION, HOW DO I EVER ACCOMPLISH ADDING 50 POSITIONS? YOU DON'T. SO YOU'RE GONNA GET ADDITIONAL UN UNFUNDED MANDATES LIKE THIS. AND UNLESS WE START SUDDENLY DEVELOPING NEW LAND BETWEEN ST. JOHN'S RIVER AND THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON, WE'RE PLUM OUTTA LUCK. 'CAUSE PALM BAY WILL KEEP GIVING GREATER AND GREATER INCREASES THAT WE CANNOT COMPETE WITH. WE ARE STRUCTURALLY DEFICIENT IN THAT MANNER. AND ALSO WITH THIS SLIDE, IF THIS WERE AN OPTION, AND I'M NOT SAYING WE'RE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SUPPORTING THIS OPTION, BUT IF IT WERE AN OPTION, BREVARD COUNTY HAS THEIR ASSESSMENT, WHICH ROSS JUST SPOKE ABOUT, PUSHES THEM BACK ON THOSE AS FAR THAT IMPACTS EVERYONE. AND THE PEOPLE THAT THAT ALREADY HAVE EXEMPTIONS THAT DOESN'T, THAT DOESN'T, THEY'RE NOT EXEMPT FROM THOSE. SO, OTHER CONSIDERATIONS BEYOND THIS POINT, BECAUSE I KNOW THIS IS NOT, I, I CAN LISTEN TO YOUR DISCUSSIONS AT COUNSEL. I UNDERSTAND NONE OF THESE ARE POPULAR IDEAS, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT THE ENVIRONMENT IS THAT WE MAY FIND OURSELVES IN, DEPENDING ON WHAT WE KNOW, AT LEAST RIGHT NOW THAT'S IN THE LEGISLATURE, THIS IS A REALITY. SO OTHER OPTIONS THAT YOU COULD PURSUE, THERE'S A BILL OUT THERE RIGHT NOW, A HOUSE BILL 1427, UH, WHICH COMPANIES BY SENATE BILL 1586, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE COMBINATION OF THE DISPATCHING EFFORTS OF ALL OF THE MUNICIPALITIES TO FALL UNDER THE SHERIFF. SO ESSENTIALLY YOU'D HAVE ONE CALL CENTER FOR THE COUNTY THAT MAY HAPPEN DESPITE ALL OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? BUT AGAIN, YOU'RE ACHIEVING ECONOMIES OF SCALE BY HAVING, UH, A GREATER POPULATION SERVED BY A SINGLE ENTITY RATHER THAN HAVING FRAGMENTED, SMALLER, MORE INEFFICIENT DELIVERY IS THE IDEA. OTHER OPTIONS THAT YOU COULD PURSUE WHILE KEEPING THE BUDGET FLAT WOULD BE TO CONSOLIDATE THE NON PATROL RELATED LAW ENFORCEMENT EFFORTS, UH, WITH THE COUNTY SO THAT YOU COULD AFFORD THOSE FUTURE WAGES THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THE LANGUAGE OF THESE BILLS. UM, AND YOU CAN GO BACK ON A DECADE OF PROGRESS OF TRYING TO PUT A DEDICATED REVENUE STREAM FOR YOUR M AND E REPLACEMENT FUND, WHICH COUNCIL WAS VERY ADAMANT ABOUT DOING IN 2016 AND PAYMENT MANAGEMENT PROGRAM, WHICH WAS EVEN EARLIER 2014. WE'VE ONLY JUST GOTTEN TO WHAT OUR GOAL WAS FROM A DECADE AGO, AND THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE ON THE CHOPPING BLOCK IN THIS AS WELL. OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN MADE CLEAR BASED OFF OF WHAT THOSE POLICY POLICIES ARE OUT THERE, YOUR ALI P THREE PARKING GARAGE THAT CRA IS FUNDED BY 16.7% RESIDENTIAL HOMESTEADED PROPERTY TAXES. IF I WERE TO TAKE 16% OFF THE TOP IN THERE, HOW DO I AFFORD THAT PROJECT? NOT IN ITS CURRENT FORM. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MAKES IT UNVIABLE OR NOT. IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DOWNTOWN CRA STREET SCAPE, WHEN WE MET TO DISCUSS WHAT THAT RFQ LOOKS LIKE FOR, UH, POTENTIAL VENDORS TO DESIGN AND EVENTUALLY CONSTRUCT THIS, THE BONDING CAPACITY OF YOUR CRA DIMINISHES BY 8.7%. YOU ONLY HAVE, GOSH, WHAT ARE WE IN 2026? 2042 IS THE, THE SUNSET DATE. I CAN'T BOND A, A BIG ENOUGH SUM TO DO THAT ONE PROJECT ALONE, LET ALONE THAT PROJECT AND HOLMES PARK. YOU TAKE THAT MUCH MONEY OUT OF THE POCKET. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GETTING MAYBE A PHASE OF THE STREETSCAPE. SO THOSE ARE PROPERTY TAX DOLLARS THAT FLOW THROUGH THE GENERAL FUND AND ULTIMATELY PUT INTO THESE CRASS THAT'S JEOPARDIZED BY THIS BILL OR SETS OF BILLS, UH, BOND RATINGS. THEY, THEY COMMONLY REFER TO PROPERTY TAX, UH, SALES TAX INCOME TAXES AS A THREE LEGGED STOOL IN FLORIDA, WE DON'T HAVE AN INCOME TAX. SO YOU ONLY HAVE A TWO LEGGED STOOL IF YOU WERE TO REMOVE PROPERTY TAX OR AT LEAST SIGNIFICANTLY IMPAIR IT, YOU'RE NOW CUTTING THE SECOND LEG OF YOUR THREE-LEGGED STOOL, KIND OF, YOU KNOW, DOWN TO SIZE A BIT. SO YOU'RE LEFT WITH SALES TAX, WHICH FOR A BOND RATING AGENCY, IF I'M GONNA GO AND DO THAT GEO BOND FOR THE, FOR THE LAW ENFORCEMENT CENTER AND TRY TO USE IT SALES TAX FOR IT, I'M PAYING MORE AN INTEREST. WE ARE A RISKIER INVESTMENT. I DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO AS MUCH OF YOUR CAPITAL PLAN AS YOU'RE HOPING TO DO AT THAT POINT, BECAUSE I'M GONNA PAY MORE IN INTEREST COSTS BECAUSE WE'RE USING RISKIER REVENUE STREAMS. SO I'M NOT TRYING TO BE CHICKEN LITTLE, WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE NOT TALKED ABOUT OR HEARD OF WHAT THE STATE'S ULTIMATE PROPOSAL IN ANY OF THIS IS. UH, THEY APPARENTLY WILL REQUIRE A SPECIAL [03:45:01] SESSION TO DO SO, BUT THESE ARE THE REALITIES OF WHAT THEY'RE DISCUSSING. ABSENT SOME NEW SHRED OF INFORMATION OR NEW POLICY THAT'S PUT FORTH DURING THAT SESSION OR DURING THE CURRENT. SO I WANNA ARGUE WITH THAT KNOWLEDGE BECAUSE THESE WOULD BE THE THINGS YOU WOULD BE CONSIDERING SOME COMBINATION OF IT, LIKELY MORE THAN THAN ANYTHING ELSE. BUT THIS IS THE, THE, THE POTENTIAL EXTREME THAT YOU FACE IF THEY WERE TO ELIMINATE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTIONS, UH, THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTED PROPERTIES FROM THE TAX ROLL. THIS IS MELBOURNE SPECIFIC, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY OF THE OTHER TALKING POINTS. I UNDERSTAND THE, THE THOUGHT PROCESS OF NOT WANTING TO PAY RENT, SO ON QUOTE UNQUOTE ON YOUR PROPERTY IN PERPETUITY. BUT THAT MAKES SENSE IN, IN AGRARIAN SOCIETY WHERE EVERYONE'S FARMING AND THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ACTIVITY AND YOU DON'T NEED ALL THESE SERVICES. WE NEED THESE SERVICES BECAUSE WE'RE A COMPLEX, VERY NUANCED ECONOMIC AND ENGINE. SO JUST FOR YOUR BENEFIT, I HAVE THIS PRE PRESENTATION FOR YOU IF YOU WOULD LIKE, UM, I'M HAPPY TO TALK WITH ANY OF YOU TO ARM YOURSELVES WITH ANY ADDITIONAL KNOWLEDGE YOU FEEL IS HELPFUL OR HURTFUL IN ANY WHICH WAY. UM, AGAIN, I'M NOT ADVOCATING FOR OR AGAINST, I'M MERELY GIVING YOU THE MAGNITUDE OF WHAT'S BEING DISCUSSED THAT I DON'T THINK IS BEING, UH, AT LEAST TRANSPARENTLY OR COMPREHENSIVELY REVIEWED AS PART OF THE PROCESS. SO, AND ROSS TOUCHED ON THE LOCAL BUSINESS TAXES, WHICH IS THE BUSINESS TAX RE RECEIPTS, AND HE DID TOUCH ON THE FACT THAT THAT'S APPROXIMATELY A MILLION DOLLAR IN GENERAL FUND REVENUE. SO IT'S NOT JUST IF THEY, THEY GO FOR THE HOMESTEAD PROPERTY TAX, WE, WE'VE GOT SOME OTHER AREAS THAT WE, WE COULD BE HURT IN THE, IN THE GENERAL FUND ALSO. AND THIS IS A BACKWARDS LOOKING NUMBER, THAT 18.1. SO NEXT YEAR THAT NUMBER MIGHT VERY WELL BE 20 MILLION. IT, IT VARIES DEPENDING ON WHO'S LIVING WHERE AND WHAT, WHAT'S COMING ON AND OFF THE TAX ROLL, WHAT NEW CONSTRUCTION'S BEING MADE IS A NEW, NEW HOMESTEADED HOMES OR WHAT. SO AGAIN, THE SEVERITY OF WHAT'S BEING DISCUSSED I THINK SHOULD NOT BE LOST ON ANYONE THAT'S CONSIDERING THE POLICY PROPOSAL BEFORE THEM BECAUSE THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT CAN JUST BE LIGHTHEARTEDLY JOKED AWAY OR THOUGHT OF AS SOMETHING THAT'S AN INCONVENIENCE. IT'S VERY PRACTICAL FOR THE PURPOSES THAT WE AT THE CITY OF MO AND USE IT FOR. UM, I'LL GET OFF MY SOAPBOX. ARE WE DONE? AND I HAVE A COUPLE OTHER, BUT IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR RO GO AHEAD, REBECCA. ANY QUESTIONS? WHEN I, I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION, BUT WHEN I WAS UP THERE AT LEGISLATIVE DAYS AND ALL THAT, ONE OF THE SENATORS SAID, THE HOUSE IS LIKE, YAY, WE'RE GONNA DO AWAY WITH THIS. WE SENATE SPEAKING TO THE SENATORS AND ALL THAT. WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE CALMER AS SENATOR WRIGHT SAYS, HOW ARE WE GONNA, HOW ARE WE GOING TO THAT? THAT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE TO A LOT OF THE SENATORS, MORE OF THE SENATORS. AND HE SAYS, IS HE PUT IT, I'VE WRITTEN IT, I'VE WRITTEN UP THE CHECK ON BOTH SIDES. SO HE'S LIKE, HOW DO WE DO, YOU KNOW, THE ROADS? AND AND HE'S LIKE, THEY'RE NOT THINKING, I WENT TO THE, I'M GOING BACK TO THE HOUSE TWO 13 WHEN THEY WERE HEARING THAT. AND IT WAS REALLY EYE-OPENING BECAUSE THEY WERE, THEY HAD, UM, UH, MR. CHAPMAN FROM LEAGUE OF CITY SPEAKING, HE'S OUR LEGISLATIVE, UH, PERSON. AND THEN THERE WAS DELAND, CITY DELAND, THERE WAS DIFFERENT CITIES AND THEY, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF YOU TAKE THIS AWAY. AND IT WAS ALMOST LIKE A LOT OF THE HOUSE MEMBERS WERE GOING PUT THEIR FINGERS IN THEIR EARS AND GOING, LA, LA LA LA LA. THERE WAS SOME ON SOME, SOME THAT WERE GOING, WE NEED THIS. WE HAVE TO KEEP THIS, THIS IS NOT, SO IT WAS A REAL EYEOPENING WHERE SOME OF THEM WERE JUST SAYING THAT WE ARE JUST GOT MONEY OUT THE WAZOO AND WE DON'T NEED THIS. SO IT'S A, IT'S AN EYEOPENING TO BE IN THAT POSITION WHEN YOU SIT THERE AND LISTEN TO THESE PEOPLE. ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT. OKAY, MS. LAMB, JUST TO TOUCH ON A COUPLE OF THE UTILITY RELATED ONES. WE HAVE, UM, A BILL TITLED LOCAL UTILITY SERVICES. THERE'S BOTH A HOUSE BILL AND A SENATE BILL ON THIS. AND IT IS TALKING ABOUT, UM, WHAT WE CHARGE THOSE THAT ARE NOT WITHIN OUR MUNICIPALITY. SO WITHIN OUR, OUR JURISDICTION, UM, THE STATUS OF THIS IS THEY, UM, THE SECOND OF THREE COMMITTEE STOPS WAS HELD TODAY. I, I DIDN'T FIND OUT WHAT THAT WAS BEFORE WE WALKED INTO THIS MEETING. AND IT'S BEEN THROUGH ONE COMMITTEE ON THE HOUSE SIDE. THE IMPACT TO THE CITY IS IF THIS PASSES, WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO ADJUST THE RATES FOR THE EXTRATERRITORIAL CUSTOMERS, UNLESS WE WANT TO CHARGE THE SAME AS OUR MUNICIPAL COMP CUSTOMERS. IF WE WERE TO CHARGE THE SAME AS THE MUNICIPAL CUSTOMERS, UM, WE WOULD PROBABLY LOSE ABOUT 1.5 MILLION IN REVENUE. AND THAT'S NOT THE GENERAL FUND THAT'S TO THE UTILITIES. [03:50:01] BUT YOU ALSO HAVE TO CONSIDER, WE JUST WENT THROUGH A RATE STUDY. WE JUST BASED EVERYTHING BASED OFF OF THE CURRENT RATES. SO THERE THEY ARE, UM, LEAGUE OF CITIES IS RECOMMENDING TO EXTEND THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS IF IT DOES PASS SO THAT THE UTILITY HAS TIME TO CONDUCT A NEW RATE STUDY, ADJUST PLAN PROJECTS IMPACTED BY THE REVENUE LOSS AND TO REVISE AND RENEGOTIATE, RE RENEGOTIATE IN OUR LOCAL AGREEMENTS. SO THAT WE'RE, WE'RE KEEPING A VERY CLOSE EYE ON THAT. UM, THE OTHER ONE IS A PROVISION FOR MUNICIPAL UTILITY SERVICE TO OWNERS OUTSIDE THE MUNICIPAL LIMITS. THIS IS ONE THAT I HAD TROUBLE WRITING BECAUSE THE TARGET IS MOVING A LITTLE BIT. WHEN I STARTED WRITING THE MEMO, IT WAS FOR ANYONE THAT WAS WITHIN A MILE OF ANY OF OUR LINES, OUR UTILITY LINES, BOTH WATER, SEWER, UM, PROBABLY RECLAIMED TOO, BUT WE DON'T SEEM TO HAVE BIG USERS ON THAT. UM, BUT THEY, IT, IF IT, IF WE HAD SERVICE WITHIN A MILE, WE WERE GOING TO HAVE TO PROVIDE IT. UM, IF WE HAD CAPACITY, THEY HAVE LESS THAN THAT TO A HALF MILE. UM, THERE ARE OTHER THINGS IN HERE THAT WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO REQUIRE SOMEONE TO SIGN A PRE ANNEXATION OR TO ANNEX IN. UM, THERE ALSO ARE SOME CONCERNS AND IF YOU WRITE, YOU SEE SOME OF MY, THE IMPACTS TO THE CITY. BUT, UM, FROM A AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, FROM A UTILITY OWNER STANDPOINT, SOME OF THE CONCERNS ARE IS THEY DON'T SEEM TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN A TRANSMISSION MAINE. AND, UM, WE, YOU THINK OF SOME OF OUR LARGE LINES, I MEAN WE'VE GOT 20, 24 INCH PIPES. WE DON'T ALLOW PEOPLE TO PUT ONE INCH OR TWO INCH SERVICES ON THOSE. THAT IS A BIG PROBLEM ON A TRANSMISSION MAIN. UM, AND SO WE REQUIRE, UM, WE REQUIRE THEM TO TAP OFF OF A SMALLER LINE. SO THAT'S A TECHNICALITY THAT WE ARE TRYING TO WORK THROUGH. UM, I PROBABLY DIDN'T EXPLAIN THAT ADEQUATELY, BUT I THINK I EXPLAINED THAT IN THE MEMO. UM, THAT, UM, IF EXTENDING THE LINE, IT WOULD NEED TO BE SIZED PROPERLY TO ALLOW FOR OTHER CONNECTIONS IN PROXIMITY TO THE WATER MAIN. SO I MEAN, IF THERE'S JUST A SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT'S RIGHT OFF OF OUR TRANSMISSION MAIN, THAT IS NOT IDEAL. THAT IS THE PERFECT LOCATION FOR THAT MAIN TO HAVE ISSUES AND CRACK IN THE FUTURE. UM, ALSO AS FAR AS, UM, FINANCIAL COSTS TO THIS, THAT WE HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. I DID SPEAK TO DEBBIE, UM, MAYFIELD TO SENATOR MAYFIELD ABOUT THIS YESTERDAY, AND SHE SEEMED TO THINK THAT THE CONCERNS WERE TAKEN CARE OF IN WHAT WAS BEING REWRITTEN. BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN WHAT THOSE, THOSE CHANGES WERE BECAUSE I TOLD HER THAT SOME OF OUR CONCERNS IS THE WAY OUR CODE IS CURRENTLY WRITTEN, WRITTEN. WE, WE ESTIMATE, WE, WE SAY THAT IT IS, UM, WE DON'T HAVE A SET FEE IN THERE BECAUSE IT DEPENDS ON THE PROJECT. SO IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOME OFF OF A COLLECTION MAIN OR NOT OFF OF A TRANSMISSION MAIN, IT IS A, UM, YOU KNOW, THE CITY MAINE DESIGN OR, OR JUST GO AND PUT THAT MAINE OUT THERE, WE'LL TELL 'EM WHAT THE COST WOULD BE. BUT IF YOU HAVE A DEVELOPER THAT'S WANTING TO TAP AND HAVE A 12 INCH WATER MAIN OFF OF OUR MAIN AND TO SERVE LIKE A WHOLE BRAND NEW RESIDENTIAL UNIT, IT'S, IT'S UNCLEAR ON WHETHER WE WOULD HAVE TO DESIGN THAT AND PERMIT THAT FROM THEM AND THEN JUST, AND OR IF THEY WOULD DO IT, IT'S ALSO UNCLEAR ON IF WE WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT OR IF THEY WOULD PAY FOR THAT. SO I SEE THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE SOME CODE CHANGES TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR AND OUTLINE UNDER WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES THAT, UM, THAT WHO PAYS WHAT AND HOW MUCH. AND WE DON'T KNOW THE HOW MUCH. 'CAUSE IT'S A CASE BY CASE. UM, SO WE ARE WATCHING THIS ONE VERY CLOSELY, BUT I KNOW THEY ARE TRYING TO CHANGE IT. I ALSO WAS TOLD THAT A BIG REASON THAT THIS CAME ABOUT IS FOR PROPERTIES THAT POSSIBLY HAVE A MELBOURNE WATER LINE ON ONE SIDE OF IT AND A WEST MELBOURNE SEWER LINE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF IT, AND THEY'RE IN BREVARD COUNTY. AND THE DEVELOPER DIDN'T LIKE THE FACT THAT THEY WERE GONNA HAVE TO ANNEX INTO MELBOURNE OR SIGN A PRE ANNEXATION AGREEMENT. SO WE'RE CREATING STATE LAW FOR THAT PARTICULAR INSTANCE. I'M NOT TELLING YOU HOW I FEEL ABOUT IT THOUGH, . UM, WE'LL, UM, THE OTHER ONE I ADDED, ALTHOUGH WHEN I SPOKE TO SENATOR MAYFIELD ABOUT THIS NEXT ONE, THE PARKING ON PUBLIC PROPERTY, THIS CAUSED US GREAT CONCERN. BUT AFTER SPEAKING TO SENATOR MAYFIELD, SHE SAYS THAT THIS BILL IS NO LONGER SUPPORTED BY HER AND SHE WAS THE SPONSORING, UM, SENATOR. AND SO IT HAS ONLY BEEN INTRODUCED, IT HASN'T GONE THROUGH ANY COMMITTEES IN EITHER THE HOUSE OR THE SENATE. SO I FELT GREAT RELIEF FOR THAT. HOWEVER, THE IMPACT TO THE CITY COULD HAVE BEEN THAT THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN WAS SO BROAD THAT IT COULD BE INTERPRETED TO PREVENT THE P THREE PROJECT, [03:55:01] PROHIBIT OUR, OUR CROSS LEASE THAT WE HAVE WITH HOTEL MELVIN AND ALSO PRE PROHIBIT ANY EXISTING AGREEMENTS THAT WE HAVE FOR BUSINESS PARKING ON CITY LOTS. SO THAT COULD HAVE HAD A HUGE IMPACT ON US. BUT ONE PIECE OF GOOD NEWS IN ALL OF THIS, UM, ELECTRIC BICYCLES I JUST PUT ON HERE THAT WE'RE WATCHING IT, IT'S ON FOR SECOND READINGS IN BOTH THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE. HOWEVER, UM, AND THE REASON ONLY REASON I BROUGHT THAT UP IS WITH THE COUNCIL CONVERSATION AND WE WERE SUPPOSED TO COME BACK, UM, WITH SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS, BUT I KNOW THAT, THAT, THAT THE, THE LEGISLATORS ARE TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING ALSO ON THEIR OWN. SO WE, WE WE'RE JUST FOLLOWING IT CLOSELY TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER WE'RE PROPOSING ISN'T GONNA BE IN DIRECT CONFLICT WITH THAT. THERE ARE MANY MORE, UM, YOU KNOW, I HAVE SOME CONCERNS AND I DIDN'T INCLUDE IT IN THERE, BUT THEY'RE IN THIS, UM, ON TAP AT THE CAP, UM, THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT SPENDING, THEY'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, PART OF OUR BUDGETING PROCESS. WE MAY HAVE TO COME, WE MAY HAVE TO GO THE EXERCISE OF HOW DO WE REDUCE THE BUDGET BY 20%. ALTHOUGH ROSS HAS DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB OF THAT TONIGHT, UM, WHICH WAS MORE THAN 20%. UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THE IMPACT FEES THEY'RE GOING TO, THEY WANNA CHANGE, UM, AND PUT CONSTRAINTS ON HOW WE CALCULATE AND JUSTIFY INCREASES TO IMPACT FEES. AND THAT WOULD BE A LENGTHIER PROCESS TO, TO FOR IMPACT FEES. AND WHEN YOU START THINKING ABOUT, I MEAN NOT, I MEAN FOR US, WE'RE LOOKING AT 'EM ALREADY, BUT THAT COULD CHANGE HOW WE GO ABOUT OUR IMPACT FEES. AND THAT WOULD BE FOR TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEES. AND SO WE'RE JUST, WE'RE KEEPING AN EYE ON A MULTITUDE OF BILLS. I'LL TRY TO PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF IT'S, IF YOU'RE NOT RECEIVING THE FLORIDA LEGAL OF CITIES, PLEASE LET ME KNOW AND I WILL SEND THAT TO YOU IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT COMES TO YOUR ATTENTION. I KNOW THAT, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER LARUSSO SENT SOMETHING TODAY ABOUT ACCESSORY STRUCTURES AND, UM, I'VE TAKEN A LOOK AT THAT AND WE'RE STAFF'S TAKEN A LOOK AND SEEING HOW THAT IMPACTS US. I KNOW WE MADE SOME CHANGES RECENTLY TO OUR CODE, SO I'M SEEING HOW THAT FALLS IN LINE WITH WHAT WE HAVE CODE WISE. UM, SO YES, WE, YOU KNOW, CAN'T SAY MUCH MORE OTHER THAN WE'RE KEEPING AN EYE ON THINGS. OKAY. AND I DON'T KNOW IF ROSS OR ADAM HAVE ANYTHING ELSE GOOD STAFF? NO, JUST FOR A FUTURE MEETING. NOT FOR RIGHT NOW. UM, WE TRY, WE'RE HAPPY TO WRAP THINGS UP, BUT, UM, COULD YOU GIVE US AN UPDATE AT LIKE THE NEXT MEETING OR THE MEETING AFTER HOW OUR APPROPRIATIONS ARE LOOKING? YES, THANK YOU. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO IF WE'RE GOOD. WE'LL, THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, GOOD DISCUSSION. IT'S HARD BUT IT'S GOOD. UM, [D. PETITIONS, REMONSTRANCES, AND COMMUNICATIONS] WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND MOVE IN PETITION FOR MON COMMUNICATION IF WE CAN. ALRIGHT, MR. NEWMAN, YOU HAVE ANYTHING? I DO. IT'S, UH, JUST ONE THING HERE. UM, I GUESS MAYBE TWO, BUT, SO FIRST I WANT TO GIVE KEVIN AND HIS STAFF A, UH, BIG THANK YOU FOR THE VOLUNTEER ADVISORY BOARD ATTENDANCE UPDATE AND SOME INFORMATION ON THAT. I KNOW THAT'S NOT AN EASY FEAT TO PUT TOGETHER ALL OF THOSE BOARDS AND COMMITTEES AND INFORMATION. ONE THAT, THERE WAS A COUPLE THAT STUCK OUT TO ME THAT, BUT ONE THAT STUCK OUT TO ME VERY STRONGLY, UH, WAS OUR ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS. UM, NOT NECESSARILY ON ATTENDANCE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE SHEET, IT ONLY GAVE YOU ATTENDANCE FOR 2024. SO ONE WOULD ASK WHAT HAPPENED TO 2025? WELL, THEY'VE ONLY HAD TWO MEETINGS IN 17 MONTHS AND THEY'VE CANCELED THE REST OF THEM. AND THEN THE ONE OF THOSE TWO MEETINGS WAS POSTPONED BECAUSE THEY WERE AFRAID YOU NEED FIVE MEMBERS TO APPROVE SOMETHING AND THEY WERE AFRAID THEY COULDN'T GET TO FIVE. IT WAS GONNA BE THAT MINIMAL, IT WAS THAT CLOSE, UM, EVEN THOUGH THEY DID HAVE A QUORUM. SO BECAUSE OF THAT, IT'S OBVIOUSLY THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME CONCERNS THERE. I KNOW, UH, PALM BAY IS, UH, THEY'RE LOOKING AT BOARD REFORMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I KNOW THAT THEY'VE, UM, I CAN'T RECALL IF THEY MERGED THIS WITH THEIR PLANNING AND ZONING OR IF THEY BROUGHT IT BACK TO OUR BOARD. BUT IF IT'S, THERE WAS ONLY JUST IT LITERALLY IN THE LAST 17 MONTHS, IF I RECALL FROM MY READING, IT WAS TWO ITEMS THAT THEY DID. SO I DON'T THINK THIS WOULD BE A HEAVY BURDEN ANYWHERE IT GOES. I WAS WONDERING IF THE BOARD MIGHT CONSIDER PUTTING AN ITEM ON TO DISCUSS, UM, FINDING A FUTURE. IT WOULD REQUIRE CODE CHANGE. UH, BUT, UM, ASKING ADAM TO SEE IF HE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT A CODE CHANGE FOR THE ZONING BOARD. 'CAUSE THAT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S A BEST USE OF ALL 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 8 OR NINE MEMBERS BECAUSE THEY'RE ONLY MEETING TWICE A YEAR IF THAT. THEY ONLY MEET WHEN IT'S, THEY USUALLY ONLY MEET WHEN THERE'S A, WHEN THERE'S A, UM, OF A ISSUE THAT COMES UP, THEY DON'T NECESSARILY SURE HAVE TO MEET. SO THEY MIGHT GO THROUGH A PERIOD OF TIME WHERE THERE ISN'T AND THEN THE NEXT AND MAYBE SIX MONTHS THEY MIGHT BE MEETING EVERY MONTH. SO THAT'S KIND OF A D WELL, I THOUGHT ABOUT A DIFFERENT THOUGHT. YOU KNOW, IN 2024, THEY ONLY MET FIVE TIMES OUT OF 12. THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY NOT HAVING A LOT OF, AND THERE'S OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE WHO ARE MISSING MEETINGS ABSENT, EXCUSED OR OTHERWISE. SO THERE'S, THEY'RE HAVING A HARD TIME GETTING TO FIVE FOR SOME OF THESE AND POSTPONING STUFF, WHICH IS CREATING MEETINGS AND THERE'S CLEARLY NOT A [04:00:01] LOT OF WORK FOR IT TO DO. THEREFORE, WHEN THEY'RE HAVING MEETINGS, THESE FOLKS AREN'T SHOWING UP BECAUSE IT, IT'S MAYBE THEY'RE GOING, MAYBE THEY'RE NOT, MAYBE THEY HAVE A PRE-PLANNED VACATION 'CAUSE THEY DON'T THINK THEY'RE MEETING. IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S WORKING AS IT'S SUPPOSED TO. 'CAUSE IT'S SO FEW. THAT'S A, THAT'S A GOOD PROBLEM. WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE BOARDS FOR THE SAKE OF BOARDS. SO I THINK IT MIGHT BE WORTH OUR WHILE TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. BUT THAT'S BORDER FOR THE ADJUSTMENT BECAUSE WHEN PEOPLE COMPLAIN, THAT'S NOT AS WE GET BLAMED ANYWAY. . NO, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT THEY'VE GONE THROUGH HOW DOES IT, BECAUSE I KNOW ONE OF THE MEMBERS, I MET ONE OF THE MEMBERS OTHER OUTSIDE OF DIFFERENT THINGS AND HE SAYS WE DON'T MEET ALL THE TIME, BUT WE ARE THE FINAL RULING WHEN THEY'VE GONE THROUGH OTHER OTHER STEPS. THEY'RE A JUDICIAL CAN BOARD. DO YOU WANT ME TO ASK FOR, SIR? DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? YEAH, YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT IT ANOTHER TIME? OH, I WAS GONNA, YEAH, I WAS JUST ARE YOU GONNA GO THROUGH ALL THE BOARDS OR ARE YOU JUST STOPPING AT THAT ONE? I WAS GONNA STOP AT THAT ONE. UM, JUST BECAUSE I DON'T, I THAT'S THE ONLY, THAT ONE WAS A BIG RED FLAG. UM, I KNOW YOU FILLED IN OVER AT HOUSING AUTHORITY RECENTLY. UM, UH, AND SO, YOU KNOW, APPRECIATE THAT. AND THERE'S STUFF GOING ON OVER THERE, BUT I, THAT ONE WAS JUST ONE THAT SEEMED LIKE, I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING WE COULD DO. I WAS HOPING TO GET CONSENSUS FROM FOLKS IF WE COULD. UH, WELL FIRST, ADAM, DO YOU NEED SOMETHING FOR CONSENSUS ON THAT? WAS THAT CLEAR? NO, I I, IF I UNDERSTAND IT RIGHT, IT, IT'S, IT'S COUNCIL DIRECTION TO LOOK AT, UM, CONSOLIDATING THOSE FUNCTIONS SOMEWHERE ELSE. UM, I'M, I'LL TELL YOU, YOU KNOW, TO TO TO THE POINT, RIGHT? THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IS VERY MUCH AN APPLICATION BASED, UM, BOARD. UM, I KNOW THAT CITY STAFF WORKS VERY HARD WITH POTENTIAL APPLICANTS TO TRY AND FIND OTHER SOLUTIONS TO THEIR ISSUES TO TRY TO AVOID SITUATIONS WHERE A VARIANCE TO CITY CODE IS NECESSARY. THE OTHER PRIMARY FUNCTION THAT ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS TASKED WITH IS TO REVIEW CERTAIN INTERPRETATIONS OF CODE, BOTH BY THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR AND THE CITY ENGINEER. UM, AND SO AGAIN, RIGHT. IT WOULD SEEM, AND AND WE'VE DONE, WE'VE DONE THIS TYPE OF MERGER BEFORE IN THE PAST, RIGHT? THE BUILDING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IN 20 16, 20 17 TIMEFRAME DIDN'T HAVE A LOT TO DO. WE'RE STRUGGLING WITH BOARD ATTENDANCE. THEY WEREN'T MEETING VERY OFTEN. 'CAUSE THE 'CAUSE IT JUST WASN'T, UM, THEIR, THEIR TYPE OF BUSINESS WASN'T COMING UP THAT MUCH. UM, THERE, THERE BECAME AN OPPORTUNITY AND THEIR UNDERLYING FUNCTIONS GOT ROLLED IN AND CONSOLIDATED WITH PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD. I THINK THEORETICALLY PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD WOULD, WOULD BE THE, THE MOST LIKELY CANDIDATE TO HAVE THESE FUNCTIONS WRAPPED IN. AGAIN, UH, MY, MY PRIMARY CONCERN AND, AND I I, FORGIVE ME 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW IT IMMEDIATELY OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I, IT IS POSSIBLE THAT BOTH THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD AND ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT ARE REFERENCED NOT ONLY IN CITY CODE, BUT ALSO IN THE CITY CHARTER. AND SO THAT, AND SO THAT MAY CHANGE WHETHER OR NOT IT'S REALLY ELIGIBLE FOR THAT CONSOLIDATION AND ELIMINATION JUST BY COUNCIL ACTION. SO, BUT, BUT AGAIN, RIGHT. IF THERE'S COUNCIL, IF THERE'S COUNCIL DIRECTION TO REVIEW THAT AND LOOK AT WHAT ARE EVEN THE OPTIONS FOR CONSOLIDATION OF THOSE FUNCTIONS OF ZONING, BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT SOMEWHERE ELSE, I THINK THAT'S ENOUGH FOR TONIGHT. AND I CAN COME BACK WITH HERE'S THE PROS, HERE'S THE CONS, HERE'S THE CONSTRAINTS TO, TO DO THAT. YEAH. CAN I GET SOME, DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS THAT THAT BE WORTH INFORMATION? DO WE HAVE MY ONLY, MY ONLY POINT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE COUNCILMAN NEWMAN. I I AGREE. BUT WE'VE TALKED, WE TALKED ABOUT THE BE EARLIER. SURE. RIGHT? YEP. AND THEN, UH, THERE'S EVEN BEEN SOME TALK OF CITIZEN ADVISORY BOARD I SEE. AND THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. YEAH. THEY MEAN UNTIL APRIL . SO, SO AGAIN, DO YOU WANT TO JUST DO ONE OR SHOULD IT, CAN WE LOOK AT BOARD REFORM? YOU KNOW, AND MAYBE THINK ABOUT SOME SMART THINGS TO DO AT THIS TIME. BUT I'D LIKE WHAT AN ACTION WOULD BE FOR ZBA BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY HAVE A, A SPECIFIC FUNCTION IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A SECOND, UH, DISCUSSION ITEM. BUT I, MY PROBLEM IS THAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO ASK STAFF TO DO ABOUT THAT. I THINK THAT HAS TO BE US LED. SO IF YOU HAVE SOME IDEAS, LIKE I SAID, I'LL LOOK AT MINE FOR A FUTURE MEETING. YEAH. I THINK THAT WE OUGHT TO DO THAT. I DON'T WANNA PUT THAT ON STAFF TO SAY, HEY, WE, I NOTICED THAT WE HAVE FIVE PEOPLE THAT AREN'T SHOWING UP TO, UM, HOUSING AUTHORITY AND THAT YOU HAD THE CHAIR. 'CAUSE THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR WEREN'T THERE. LIKE, I DON'T THINK THAT'S ON 'EM. I I ALSO WANNA MAKE A, A MOTION TOWARDS THEM. OKAY. BUT IF YOU THINK THAT, UM, IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT SOME STUFF, WHAT YOU THINKING, WHAT I THINK, UM, WE CAN OBVIOUSLY DO THAT. I THINK SO NOW THAT I'M SORRY. NO, GO AHEAD. NO, I'M, I, I, IF YOU WANT TO ATTACK THIS, LET, LET'S, LET'S PUT IT INTO THE CATEGORIES THAT'S, THAT'S APPROPRIATE. LET'S, IF YOU WANT TO GO AFTER THE BOARDS THAT ARE, UH, UH, NON-JUDICIAL, YOU KNOW YEAH, SURE. THEN WE CAN DRILL DOWN FROM THERE. OKAY. I MEAN, BUT TO TAKE IT ALL IN IN ONE STRIDE. SURE. YOU KNOW, QUASI-JUDICIAL, IT'S, IT'S, SURE. YEAH. IT'S IMPORTANT. THAT'S A BIG ONE. YEAH. I MEAN IT YEAH. I MEAN IT FROM THEM, IT COMES TO US AND THEN IT GOES TO THE COURT. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF THING. SO I DON'T WANNA ELIMINATE ANY, ANY OF THAT PROCESS. RIGHT, RIGHT. AT THIS MOMENT. OF COURSE. NO, I GET THAT. WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, BUT LET, LET'S, IF, IF THERE'S SOMETHING TO CONSOLIDATE SOMEWHERE ON NON-JUDICIAL BOARDS, [04:05:01] LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT. BUT I WANNA LEAVE THE JUDICIAL BOARDS ALONE. NOT, I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE MY, MY REQUEST. YEAH. I MEAN, THIS IS YOUR MOTION, NOT OF COURSE. YEAH, MINE. SO, WELL, WELL IT'S, AND IT'S TWO THINGS. SO ONE, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I DON'T WANNA MIX UP ZBA ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS WITH THE REST. SO DO WE HAVE AT LEAST FOUR FOR THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS? YEAH. TO, TO SEE WHAT THAT WOULD TAKE TO CONSOLIDATE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. BECAUSE THEY'RE ONLY MEETING I CAN GIVE YOU, I GIVE YOU A PRETTY GOOD IDEA. I SERVED ON THE ZONING BOARD. OH, I DID THE COUNTY ONE MYSELF AND, YOU KNOW, AND, YOU KNOW, AND YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS SERVING BOARD MEMBERS ON THAT BOARD, MR. JACKSON. YOU GOT IT. YEP. I, OH, DON'T, I I DID MY, I WANT HIM HERE WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT. NO, I WANT HIM HERE TOO. AND I THINK HIS STUFF, HIS, HIS EFFORTS COULD BE USED YEAH. REALLY IN GOOD PLACES. BUT HE'S NOT BEING AS UTILIZED THERE. CORRECT. SO, YEAH. HIS TIME IS, I I THOUGHT I HAD FOUR. I DUNNO IF YOU GUYS WERE COUNTING ON YOUR END. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M GOOD BEFORE MOVING ONTO THE SECOND ONE. 'CAUSE I DON'T WANT THEM MIXED UP. YII SAW AT LEAST FOUR NODS. OKAY. AND THEN, SO FOR THE NON, FOR OTHER BOARDS, LIKE A, DO YOU WANNA CALL, LIKE I, STRATEGIC DISCUSSION KIND OF FEELS WEIRD TO ME. I'M NOT GONNA LIE. 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS. BUT LIKE, IF WE WANNA JUST HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THE BOARD'S ATTENDANCE AND FUNCTIONS, ANOTHER ITEM, UM, WOULD YOU GUYS WANNA HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THE NON, THAT WOULD BE THE NON ONES, MR. LUSO, THE NON, UH, QUASI-JUDICIAL ONES, WHICH DON'T, IT WOULD BE MY THOUGHT THAT WE WOULD HAVE STAFF COME BACK WITH WHATEVER THEY FEEL BECAUSE STAFF COMES INTO IT THAT WE HAVE AN, UH, ATTORNEY OR ASSISTANT ATTORNEY AT EACH AND EVERY BOARD MAYBE MEETING AND TAKING MINUTES. AND SO MAYBE FROM THE 10,000 FOOT AND BRING IT DOWN TO MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE GROUND LEVEL, PROBABLY FAIR FOR US TO START MAKING DECISIONS. YEAH. RATHER THAN TO START THROWING STUFF AGAINST THE WALL. SEE WHAT STICKS. WELL, AND THAT'S WHY I THINK, WELL, I, I'M FORESEE IT STARTS AS DISCUSSION THEN WE COULD, 'CAUSE I, I'M NOT TRYING TO BELABOR IT TONIGHT. I THINK WE COULD TALK TO JENNY, ADAM, KEVIN, AND SAY, HEY, HERE'S THE ONES I NOTICED THIS ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING BOARD, I NOTICED THIS ON THAT. AND THEY COULD SAY, HEY LISTEN, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE THINKING. AND THEN THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO, WHICH IS THAT. OKAY. OKAY. I, I'M MORE SO THAT WON'T BE STRICTLY A DISCUSSION ITEM IS WHAT I'M THINKING. ALRIGHT, COOL. STRICTLY DISCUSSION. GOT IT. YEAH. AND THAT, WOULD THAT BE AMENABLE? THAT'S FAIR. OKAY. I'M GOOD. OKAY. AND THEN STARTING A DISCUSSION. AND THEN LASTLY, UM, WELL, AND THIS'LL BE FOR SOME ELSE THE, UH, I DID MENTION THE EDC UH, UH, POSITION. WOULD WE BE ABLE TO, AT A FUTURE THAT WE ARE GOING TO SWITCH OVER FROM, UH, ON THAT AS WELL, WOULD WE BE ABLE TO DISCUSS WHETHER WE WANT THAT TO BE COUNSEL VERSUS STAFF AT A FUTURE MEETING AS WELL? I SAY, WHY DON'T WE BRING THAT BACK FOR ANOTHER DISCUSSION. THAT'S YES, I AGREE. NO, THAT'S WHAT I WANT. THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING FOR. OKAY. WE'VE GOT HOW MANY DISCUSSION, THREE DECISIONS DO WE HAVE COMING UP AND BE OVER OUR SHOULDER? OH. AND THEY COULD BE SPREAD OUT THERE. THEY GET OH, OF COURSE. I MEAN, WE MAY GET IN, YOU MAY GET INTO 2027 FOR ALL I KNOW, YOU KNOW, THERE WE GO. BUT, UM, I'M JUST SAYING, I DON'T WANT TO ELONGATE SURE. OUR MEETINGS TO THREE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING. ME NEITHER. YEAH. WITH DIS WITH DISCUSSION ITEMS, YOU KNOW. SURE. NO, I GET IT. I JUST CLICK THEM OFF ONE AT A TIME. LET'S GET GOING. WELL, I, IN THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, WE WERE PLANNING ON DOING THE DEVELOPMENT DISCUSSION ITEM, BUT WE CAN ALWAYS MOVE THAT. I MEAN, WE'VE SHIFTED THAT QUITE A FEW TIMES. LET'S SHIFT THAT ONE. BUT LIKE, SO I KNOW THAT ONE'S GONNA BE ON THERE AND WE'LL, WE'LL WORK THROUGH THESE. AND THE TIMING OF IT, I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY LOOK AT THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS AND THAT ONE MAYBE SAVE THE DISCUSSION FOR THE OTHER BOARDS. I'LL FUTURE MEETING MAKE EASIER. I'LL BE AT THE NEXT MEETING. THAT WAS MY LAST THING I WAS GONNA SAY. OH, . OKAY. SO I, I HAVE A WORK THING. THERE'S A 90% CHANCE THAT I WILL NOT BE HERE. SO I'M JUST GONNA TELL YOU GUYS I'M NOT, AND IF I SHOW UP, SURPRISE, SURPRISE, . BUT, UM, SO, BUT, UM, BUT NO FOR THAT EDC ONE, WAS THERE CONSENSUS OR I NEED TO PULL, UH, JENNY, ADAM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS SAW ANYTHING THERE. I, I DIDN'T HEAR ANY OBJECTIONS. I DON'T, I I THINK THE HEAD NODDING HAS SORT OF CEASED JUST BECAUSE OF THE TIME. IT'S GETTING LATE. THERE'S ONLY, WELL, THAT WAS RELATED SUMMER. ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS? WOULD PROBABLY BE THE BETTER. NO. OKAY. NO, WITHOUT OBJECTION. GREAT. THAT'S ALL. I'M DONE. SURE. YOU NEED ANOTHER HOUR? NEED ANOTHER HOUR? LISTEN, I CAN GO ALL NIGHT, BUT I DON'T WANT YOU GUYS . SOMEBODY SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT COFFEE ALL NIGHT. LET THIS COW DOWN. MS. BASSETT. OH HEY. OKAY. MINE WILL BE FAST. UM, SO I HELD MY, UH, THE FARM SHARE EVENT, UH, THE OTHER DAY. AND IT WAS VERY, VERY SUCCESSFUL. UM, WE HELPED FEED A LOT OF FAMILIES MULTIPLE DAYS WORTH, WHICH WAS AWESOME. I COULD NOT HAVE DONE IT THOUGH WITHOUT THE HELP FROM, UM, THE EMPLOYEES OF PARKS AND REC AND, UH, DIANA ADAMS WITH O OF WEST MELBOURNE. AND, UM, I'M, I'M GOD LIKE WE HAD LIKE A KENDRA. UH, I'M, I'M TIRED. I'M SO TIRED. KENDRA THOMPSON. YOU'RE THE ONE TALKING KENDRA THOMPSON. I'M SO SORRY. I'M SO TIRED. KENDRA THOMPSON. YEAH, SHE'S, SHE WAS A HUGE HELP. EVERYBODY LIKE, LIKE CAME TOGETHER AND HELPED ME GET IT DONE. I COULDN'T HAVE GET IT DONE WITHOUT THEM. UM, SO I'M VERY THANKFUL THAT, UH, EVERYTHING CAME TOGETHER PERFECTLY AND IT WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE THE FAMILY. GOOD JOB. UM, MANY OF YOU, UH, THAT GREW UP HERE, [04:10:01] LIVED HERE FOR A LONG TIME, KNEW ABOUT LARRY LUKOWSKI. UM, HE WAS A COACH HERE. HE WAS MY TEACHER AT MCC. UM, HE WAS IN NETFLIX WITH DAMON HAMMOND. HE WAS DAMON HAMMOND'S BEST FRIEND GROWING UP HERE IN MELBOURNE. HE PASSED AWAY AND HIS FUNERAL IS THIS SATURDAY AT OUR LADY OF LORD'S. UM, HE'S BEEN ROCKLEDGE FOOTBALL COACH. I THINK HE WAS AT MEL HIGH. HE WAS EVERYTHING ELSE. SO LARRY WAS A BIG PERSON IN THE COMMUNITY, UM, FOR MR. LARUSSO. I'VE HAD, UH, OH NO, THIS HAS NOT BEEN BAD. I'M ASKING THAT. WE HAVE THE GENTLEMAN FROM, UM, URBAN BIKES COME IN. HE DOES E-BIKES AND I'LL 'CAUSE FRIENDLY, SOMEBODY HAD BOUGHT IT, BEEN THERE AND I LEARNED A LOT ABOUT WHAT IS AN E-BIKE AND WHAT IS AN EMO MM-HMM . AND ONE NEEDS TO BE HEAVY LICENSE AND ONE DOESN'T BECAUSE IF IT HAS A PEG, IF IT'S A PEG, IT'S GOTTA HAVE A REGULAR LICENSE, A LICENSE PLATES ON IT. UM, I SIMILAR TO GOLF CARTS, BUT HE WAS SPEAKING TO HIM. HE WOULD LIKE TO COME AND TALK ABOUT BECAUSE HE'S UNDERSTANDS WHERE THINGS NEED TO BE. HERE. THERE, THERE'S SOME VERY UNSAFE SITUATIONS. I WAS WONDERING IF YOU DON'T MIND, WE INVITE HIM TO COME SPEAK HERE AT ONE COUNCIL MEETING HERE IN THE FUTURE. MS. HANLEY, I, I ONLY ASKED FOR A DISCUSSION ITEM ON THAT. I DON'T KNOW WHEN IT'S GONNA COME. MAYBE TWO MEETINGS, THREE MEETINGS FROM NOW. UH, BUT IT DOESN'T, BUT ANYBODY BUT ANYBODY WITH ANY KIND OF KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THIS IS, IS WELCOME IN THIS COUNCIL CHAMBERS AND STAND AT THAT PODIUM TO EDUCATE US ABOUT WHAT WE DON'T KNOW. OKAY. 'CAUSE HE AND HOW WE CAN MAKE DECISIONS TO REPORT HE WOULD THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I LEARNED ABOUT ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU FOR THAT THOUGH. I MEAN, I APPRECIATE IT. AND YOU KNOW WHAT THE MILE, YOU KNOW, WHAT, HOW MUCH THE MILE, WHAT THE SPEEDS CAN BE AND WHAT THEY CAN'T BE. AND AFTER BEING AROUND HIM NOW I'M LOOKING AT THINGS A LOT DIFFERENTLY AND GOING, CERTAIN CHILDREN ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE THAT TYPE OF THINGS. SO, AND EVEN OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT GOES TO HIM SOMETIMES TO ASK WHAT, WHAT TYPE OF VEHICLE IS THIS OR NOT IN THAT? AND ALL THAT CAN CHANGE TOO. WITHIN, WELL, IT'S NOT, IT'S LEGISLATION RIGHT HERE. RIGHT. SO CAN WE WAIT TILL AFTER THAT? BUT, BUT THERE'S STILL AN EMO AND AN E-BIKE ARE DIFFERENT. RIGHT. OKAY. WELL LOOK, WE DID, WE GOT MARCH WHAT? 13TH IS THE END OF SESSION. SO, SO I MEAN, MOVE ON. LET KEEP MOVING. RIGHT. MOVE ON. AND I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO THE FEDERAL FLY, FLY-IN AND TELL, AND TELL IT NOT, WE'LL LEAVE HERE A MINUTE. Y'ALL BE QUIET. AND, UM, IN JUNE FOR THE, UH, THE FEDERAL, THE LEGAL CITIES TO GO TO THE FEDERAL FLY-IN, IN, UH, DC IN JUNE, IF IT'S OKAY WITH COUNSEL. WHEN IS THAT? JUNE? HOW MUCH IS THAT? JUNE? JUNE 20 CITY SIXTH. 28. HOW MUCH IS IT? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE EXACT NUMBER I DIDN'T HAVE. COULD YOU GIVE US A FLYER AT THE NEXT WEEK? UM, AND I'VE SENT, SENT, WE DO HAVE ONE MEMBER ALREADY ATTENDING AND I THINK THE, UM, HOTEL STAY IS ABOUT A THOUSAND DOLLARS. WE HAVE ONE COUNCIL MEMBER ALREADY ATTENDED. YEAH, MR. SMITH. OH, WHAT, WHEN DID THAT COME? WHEN? WELL, IT'S A, IT'S A FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES EVENT AND SO THERE'S A COUNCIL POLICY COUNTY, BUT I, NO, NO. SO THERE'S A COUNCIL POLICY THAT SAYS CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS CAN ATTEND ANY FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES SPONSORED EVENT AND FAST AS A, BECAUSE YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO BE ASKED ON TO GO TO, TO GO. SO THAT'S WHAT I DON'T, I'M KIND OF SURPRISED ABOUT THAT YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO SIGN UP TO BE ON THAT COMMITTEE. YEAH, THEY, I I I THINK HE WAS SO RIGHT. I WOULD. OKAY. I MEAN, 'CAUSE I SENT IT TO YOU AND I GUESS I DIDN'T GET A RESPONSE. I'M NOT SURE WE SENT IT TO YOU. GOTTEN ANY NOTICE ABOUT ANYONE ELSE WANTING TO ATTEND. SO I SENT IT TO YOU YESTERDAY WHEN I GOT IT. SO WE, WE WILL CHECK IN THE MORNING, YOU KNOW, SEND IT TO YOU SO THAT YOU COULD SEND IT IN THERE. SO I'M ASKING IF I COULD GO WELL THEN SHE DOESN'T NEED TO ASK IF SHE COULD GO 'CAUSE THAT'S OUR AUTOMATIC YOU'RE SAYING RIGHT. SO FAST. I MEAN, I, BUT I WOULD ASK, I ASKED BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THE LEAGUE OF CITIES WITH THE LEAGUE OF CITIES AND ALL THAT FOR THE TALLAHASSEE EVENT AND EVERYTHING ELSE. SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING BEFORE WE, WE GO IN THERE, YOU'RE GOOD BECAUSE I'M GO. OKAY. GO. THANK YOU. IT'S, IT'S ONE DAY THAT YOU'RE RUNNING MR. SMITH. GOOD. THREE THINGS REAL QUICK. UH, WHAT DID I MISS SOMETHING? NO, NO. YEAH. . IT'S LATE . ALRIGHT. REAL, REAL QUICK. THERE WERE, UH, THIS MORNING AT THE, UH, AT THE SMALL BUSINESS WORKSHOP FOR THAT INITIATIVE. UH, A THING CAME UP ABOUT THE STREETS HOLD CAME UP AGAIN. I KNOW THERE'S A STREET, JOHNNY ELLISON. SO I THINK WE NEED TO REVIEW OUR POLICY FOR FIRST TIME PAVING OF UNPAVED STREETS AND THE COST AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I'VE TALKED WITH STAFF. SO JUST WANNA PUT THAT OUT. UH, I GUESS FOR I GUESS CONSENSUS TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. I THINK, I THINK THE CONSENSUS, I THOUGHT THEY WERE WORKING ON STAFF ON IT. YEAH. FUNDING. AND IT'S ALWAYS BEEN FUNDED AND, AND YOU JUST CAN'T LAY ASPHALT [04:15:01] ON TOP OF GROUND, UH, ON TOP OF DIRT. MM-HMM . OFTENTIMES LIKE MORNINGSIDE, RIGHT? YEP. YOU, YOU GOTTA DIG THAT WHOLE ROAD UP AND YOU GOTTA PUT BRAND NEW DRAINAGE IN THERE AND YOU GOTTA FIGURE OUT THE STORM DRAINAGE, YOU KNOW? YEAH. I'M ALL THE OTHER TECHNICALITIES GO ALONG WITH IT. SO WHAT IN OUR MIND MAY LOOK LIKE ONLY ABOUT $200,000 IS ACTUALLY $2 MILLION. I AGREE. OKAY. I AGREE. SO, AND, AND THAT'S DEFINITELY CASE BY CASE. SO I DON'T KNOW ABOUT HO 'CAUSE AS YOU'RE NOW, HOGUE HAS COME UP FOR YEARS UPON YEARS. YEAH. AND SO WAS ONE, THEY'RE ALMOST THERE. SO, AND JOHNNY ELLISON. HUH? THEY'RE ALMOST, SO EACH ONE IS A CASE BY CASE. THEY'RE ALREADY WORKING WITH HO'S ALMOST THERE. HO HOG'S DOING HOG'S MOVING. I, I'VE BEEN, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY SHOWED UP TO YOU 'CAUSE I'D BE SHOCKED 'CAUSE WE'VE ALREADY BEEN WORKING WITH THEM, SO I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY'RE BOUNCED AROUND. BUT IS THAT YOUR DISTRICT? YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. SO THAT'S WHY I'M DID THEY COME TO YOU TO ABOUT HOPE? YEAH. THEY, THEY, THEY CARE EVEN THOUGH WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM. 'CAUSE THEY CAME TO THE STAFF, STAFF . I'M LIKE, OKAY, THAT'S A LITTLE WEIRD, BUT OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. SO, BUT YOU STILL HAVE THE ISSUE OF I GUESS THE, THE COST. SO IS THERE, WOULD THERE BE ANY CONSIDERATION OF, DEPENDING ON, AS LONG AS NOT IN THIS BUDGET CYCLE? YEAH. WE, WE GOTTA SEE WHAT'S GOING ON, UP, UP, UP NORTH AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE. AND I, I, AND I'M, YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT THE BUDGET AND I KNOW, YOU KNOW, I'LL SUPPORT YOU IN ANYTHING THAT IS, THAT YOU REALLY WANT TO DO. 'CAUSE YOU ARE, AND YOU ARE THE FUTURE OF THIS COUNCIL. MM-HMM . BUT IF YOU WANT TO SPEND $5,000, TELL ME WHERE WE'RE GONNA TAKE IT FROM. ALRIGHT. AND THEN WE'LL VOTE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THAT IT'S WORTHY TO TAKE THAT FIVE GRAND OUT OF THERE AND WHETHER IT'S WORTHY TO PUT IT INTO THE OTHER ONE. SO THAT'S ALL I ASK OF YOU. THAT'S ABSOLUTELY OKAY. RIGHT. UH, SECOND THING IS, SO WAS THERE CONSENSUS ON THE DISCUSSION ITEM OR NO. OKAY. NOW THAT I KNOW. NO. ALRIGHT, LET'S, LET'S SAVE IT FOR BUDGET. I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S JUST A BUDGET BECAUSE I, I DON'T THINK THAT TAKING A LOOK AT WHAT IT ACTUALLY IS SAYING. I MEAN, I DON'T, I'M STILL NOT CLEAR. 'CAUSE LIKE THERE'S ANOTHER RULE, JOHNNY ELLISON, WELL, HERE YOU GO. YOU CAN LOOK AT YOU GUYS, SIT WITH STAFF AND TALK TO THEM ABOUT IT AND THEN GET, AND IF YOU DON'T GET YOUR ANSWERS FROM THERE, THEN COME ON BACK AND TALK TO US. YOU KNOW, AND OR ALL OF US AS A, AS AS A, UH, COUNCIL. OKAY. OH, GO AHEAD MS. LAMB. I PROMISE TO BE BRIEF, BUT THERE IS A COUNCIL POLICY, I BELIEVE IT'S STILL NUMBER 22 THAT TALKS ABOUT PAVING OF DIRT STREETS. IT TALKS ABOUT THE PERCENTAGE OF PROPERTY OWNERS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO APPROVE THE SPECIAL ASSESSMENT. AND IT TALKS ABOUT THE CONTRIBUTION. AND THAT WAS LAST HEARD I BELIEVE BACK IN 2020 IN THAT. AND THAT WAS WHEN THEY INCREASED THE CONTRIBUTION FROM THE CITY FROM 60% TO 70% . AND SO THEREFORE THE PROPERTY OWNERS ONLY HAVE TO PAY 30% OF THE COST. BUT I BELIEVE WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH IS ASKING FOR IS FOR THE CITY TO PAY THE WHOLE THING. BUT I, I DO HAVE OUR, OUR ITEM REPORT FROM BEFORE BACK IN 2020, COSTS 2020. UM, THE ESTIMATED COST FOR THE 3.5 MORE, 3.54 MILES OF ROADS WAS $7 MILLION. AND THAT WAS 2020. AND STORMWATER CRITERIA HAS CHANGED SINCE THEN. SO WE, IT, IT WOULD TAKE US A WHILE TO COME UP WITH NEW UPDATED COSTS, BUT, WELL, WELL, MY CONCERN IS IF IF OUR SHARE 70, THERE'S A 30, IF WE DO A HUNDRED PERCENT, IT'S NOT GONNA GET IT DONE FASTER. NO. 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING. EXACTLY. I'M JUST SAYING. SO HOW LONG IS HOG? I'M, I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S UP? THAT'S NOT THAT LONG. OKAY. COKE IS A THOUSAND FEET LONG. ALL RIGHT. SO I'LL, I'LL GIVE WITH STAFF AND DO A LITTLE BIT MORE NUMBERS ON, OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. UH, THE, THE NEXT THING IS, IS THAT, UM, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THE BOARDS, UM, THE COUNCIL MEETING, STREAMING. WE ALL RECEIVE THE EMAIL ABOUT THE COST FOR, UH, FOR STREAMING. UH, 'CAUSE I, I THINK THAT WITH THE NEW SERVICE THAT WE HAVE, WE'RE NOT, THE MELBOURNE IS NOT BEING STREAMED BECAUSE ALL CHANNELS. SO I THINK THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A, A DISCUSSION ON, ON THAT ITEM. ALSO, TALK TO JENNY ABOUT DISCUSSION. OH, YOU MEAN, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY STREAM, BY FACEBOOK? UH, I THINK RIGHT NOW IT'S CURRENTLY JUST ON THE WEBSITE. YEAH. I WATCH IT EVERY NIGHT. WELL, NOT EVERY NIGHT, BUT AFTER EVERY MEETING IT'S A NEW THING. IT'S GREAT. . SO THEY PUT TOGETHER A GREAT ANALYSIS AND YOU SAW THE OTHER CITIES, UH, AND KIND OF THE, THE USE. SO IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BEING ABLE TO SHARE OUR MESSAGE, UH, YOU KNOW, WOULD THERE BE ANY CONSIDERATION OF STREAMING ACROSS ALL THE DIFFERENT MEDIUMS AS OPPOSED TO WHERE WE ONLY ON THE ONE SOURCE NOW? I, I THINK IF THEY WANNA WATCH IT, THEY'LL WATCH IT ON OUR WEBSITE. YEAH. MY CONCERNS, THE COST. AGAIN, EVERYTHING COMES DOWN TO COST. WHAT THE, IT COMES DOWN THE COST. WHAT ARE THE COST GONNA BE? YEAH. ESPECIALLY YOU NEED TO FIND THAT OUT. SO JUST, UM, TO PUT MY 2 CENTS IN, DOES IT COST ANY MONEY TO JUST POST, LIKE DO A FACEBOOK POST WITH THE LINK TO OUR WEBSITE? OF COURSE IT DOES. YOU PEOPLE TO DO IT, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE HAVE STARTED DOING THAT AGAIN. WE USED TO DO IT, BUT WHEN WE WERE HAVING TROUBLE WITH THE STREAMING, WE STOPPED DOING IT. BUT [04:20:01] WE HAVE STARTED DOING THAT AGAIN. THAT WE POST THE DAY OF THE COUNCIL MEETING, WE MAKE A FACEBOOK ON OUR FACEBOOK PAGE, WE MAKE A POST WITH THE LINK ON IT. OKAY. THERE YOU GO. YEAH. COOL. PERFECT. THAT'S FREE. FIND YOUR WAY AROUND IT. OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD. ALL RIGHT. AND I THINK THAT'S IT FOR ME. ALRIGHT. THAT'S MY . UM, UH, JUST THREE THINGS. UH, NUMBER ONE, I APOLOGIZE. I TOOK SICK, UH, LAST MEETING. IT WAS LIKE TWO O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON. I REALLY STRUGGLED TO GET HERE. I REALLY DID. I APOLOGIZE. UH, BECAUSE YOU WERE COUNTING ON ME TO BE PART OF THE QUORUM AND I JUST COULDN'T MAKE IT. AND I MISSED MY, MY, UH, AIRPORT MEETING THE NEXT MORNING AS WELL TOO. SO MY APOLOGIES TO THE COUNCIL AND TO ALL THE CARE. I'M GLAD YOU'RE FEELING BETTER. I'M SORRY. I'M GLAD YOU'RE FEELING BETTER. ARE YOU? I'M TIRED TOO. . UH, UH, YEAH. SECOND THING IS THAT, UM, WELL ACTUALLY THERE'S ONLY TWO THINGS AND I'LL CUT IT SHORT. IN THE PAST SIX YEARS, I HAVE NEVER ASKED FOR ANY TRAVEL BUDGET AT ALL. EVERYTHING IS, UH, WENT UP ONCE IN, UH, 2020 I THINK IT WAS, UM, UH, TO TALLAHASSEE. AND SO I, I DID A LITTLE RESEARCH ON IT AND I SAW THAT, UM, THE PLANE TICKET'S ABOUT 600 BUCKS AND THEN OVERNIGHT STAY IS ABOUT 500 BUCKS. UM, BUT I'VE HAD SERIOUS CONVERSATION WITH MR. CHRIS FOLEY AND YOU KNOW, HE AND I HAVE KNOWN EACH OTHER SINCE HE WAS A HOUSE MEMBER AND HE WAS SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE AS WELL TOO. UM, WE'VE HAD SOME SERIOUS CONVERSATION ABOUT PEOPLE COMING UP THERE AND I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOUR PERMISSION, I KNOW IT'S PART OF THE COUNCIL BUDGET. I HAVEN'T ASKED THE SIX. SO YOU WANT TO BREAK IT DOWN TO SIX YEARS FOR ABOUT 1500 BUCKS. GIVE OR TAKE A DOLLAR OR TWO. IF IT GOES OVER 1500 OUTTA MY POCKET, I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT IT, BUT I THINK IT'S VALUABLE INFORMATION FOR MYSELF AND POSSIBLY A STAFF MEMBER TO GO WITH ME. DO A HUGE DEEP DIVE WITH, WITH ROSS. MAYBE HE'LL GO WITH ME, UM, IF, IF THE CITY BUDGET ALLOWS IT. UM, BUT I'M LOOKING TO GO UP THERE, UH, THE END OF FEBRUARY, BEGINNING OF MARCH WHEN EVERYTHING STARTS TO COME DOWN. AND WE ALL KNOW, AND YOU KNOW, AS WELL TOO, YOU'VE BEEN UP THERE A NUMBER OF TIMES WITH LEY AND, AND MR. KENNEDY IS THAT EVERYTHING, WE'RE ALL UP HERE WITH 10,000 FEET, SORRY. AND IT COMES DOWN, COMES DOWN, COMES DOWN LAST MINUTE ON THE FLOOR. SOMETHING CAN GET AMENDED THAT FAST. AND WE KNOW THAT. SO I, I WOULD LIKE TO DO WHAT I DO BEST IS GO UP THERE AND, AND, AND, UH, SPEAK WITH OUR REPRESENTATIVES AND OUR SENATORS KNOW MANY OF THEM FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. UM, SO, UH, I'M ASKING FOR, UH, LITTLE VARIABLE FROM YOU ALL, UH, TO, I DON'T KNOW IF I'LL ACTUALLY GET UP THERE BECAUSE OF THE COST. I MEAN, IF IT'S ASTRONOMICAL, I I WON'T GO DO THE DRIVE, BUT I'M LOOKING FOR LIKE THE REST. DO THE DRIVE LIKE THE REST OF US. NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. MY BACK WILL NOT HANDLE SIX HOURS UP AND SIX HOURS BACK. IT'S FIVE. IT'S IF YOU GET IT STRAIGHT THROUGH. I'M LOOKING AT SURGERY IN JUNE OR JULY. OKAY. I UNDERSTAND. I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING YEAH, I KNOW, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT TOO. IT'S MY BODY. SO, UM, MY BODY, MY CHOICE. . SO, SO, UH, HECK YEAH. ABOUT, UH, I WOULD JUST SAY TALK TO MR. UH, CHRIS FOLEY. 'CAUSE IF IT'S ABOUT PROPERTY TAX, THE SPECIAL SESSION. YEAH, NO, I KNOW THAT, BUT, BUT, UH, I WOULD JUST, BUT DID YOU LOOK AT THE LIST OF EVERYTHING ELSE? OH NO. OH, NO, NO. I'M JUST SAYING IT WAS, I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT YOUR, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR AGENDA IS. WE'RE GONNA END UP GOING AGAIN BECAUSE WITH THE PROPERTY TAXES, LOOK, I DON'T EITHER YES OR NO. I MEAN THAT'S PART OF OUR BUDGET, ISN'T IT? I BELIEVE OF US. BUT WE HAVE TO GET, BUT I HAVE TO GET PERMISSION THOUGH. I'M ASKING YOU ALL. OKAY. YEAH. NEVER ASK AND I WON'T ASK FOR ANOTHER SIX YEARS. . THINK WE'RE GONNA END UP GOING BECAUSE OF SPECIAL SESSION. WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO BACK. UM, JUST THE WAY EVERYTHING WAS SPOKEN ABOUT THEN WE'LL DO IT ANOTHER TIME. BUT SOMEBODY ELSE AGO, MAYBE MAYOR, WAIT. LOOK MS. HANNAH, WE NEED SOMEONE TO GO UP THERE AND TALK SO MUCH TILL THEY FINALLY GIVE UP. SAY, OKAY, WE WON'T DO IT. WE NEED 10 MORE. I CAN TALK THEM 'EM INTO WHAT EXACTLY. STOP. SHUT UP. ALRIGHT, WE'LL AMEND THE BILL. . ARE WE GOOD? WHITE FLAG. OKAY. THANK YOU. DO I WANNA SAY ONE OTHER THING? DO NOT SPEED ON 95. I'M ON VISION ZERO FOR THE, UM, FDOT. THEY'RE GONNA BE OUT AS OF THE 15TH OF OH, THEY'RE ALREADY OUT. THEY'RE ALREADY DOING IT. THE SHERIFF'S ALREADY TALKING ABOUT IT. , BUT NO, NO, NO. THIS IS A DIFFERENT ONE. OUR SHERIFF IS DOING THAT LOCALLY. IT IS GOING TO BE FOR THE STATE, RIGHT? IT'S A DIFFERENT, IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT BALLGAME. THAT'S WHAT THEY FAR, THEY'RE USING VISION ZERO AND THEY'RE REALLY GONNA BE CLAMPING DOWN FOR ONE YEAR. STARTING, I BELIEVE THE 15TH OF THIS MONTH THERE. SO I JUST WANNA REMEMBER, DON'T DRIVE THE TALLAHASSEE AS A SIGN WAS SAID. SO DON'T DRIVE THE TALLAHASSEE. WE HAVE TO SUPPLY. AND THERE WAS A SIGN SAYS, BUT I'LL FLY VERY LOW, YOU KNOW, SO THEY CAN TRY AND GET ME AND, AND UM, TALLAHASSEE, THE SIGN SAID, IF YOU DON'T LIKE SPEEDING TICKETS, RAISE YOUR RIGHT FOOT. OKAY. YOU KNOW, [04:25:01] I'M JUST FUNNY. WE GOT SIX MINUTES. NO, NO, WE'RE GONNA GO A LONG TIME. YOU GUYS WANT TO, YOU GUYS WANNA STAY HERE ALL NIGHT? I WANNA MAKE SURE WE STAY HERE ALL NIGHT. MAYOR, YOU GOT, THAT'S THEIR BIG VISION. ZERO IS THE BIG PUSH. IT WAS DIFFERENT. 'CAUSE I DID BRING THAT UP AT DIVISION ZERO MEETINGS BY FAIR. JUST, AND, UM, I, I'M JUST GONNA BRING THIS UP, UH, REALLY QUICK. UM, NOT TO OPEN UP A BIG CAN OF WORMS, BUT WE'RE ALL TALKING ABOUT ALL THESE BOARDS AND ALL THESE THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO AND THE TALLAHASSEE TRIPS AND THE TRIPS UP TO WASHINGTON DC I JUST WANT TO REITERATE THAT WE ARE, WE'RE ALL GOING THERE, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE PAY FOR IT AS REPRESENTATIVES OF THIS COUNCIL. SO WE SHOULD SPEAK AS REPRESENTATIVES OF THE COUNCIL, NOT LIKE OUR OWN VISIONS. MM-HMM . YEAH. RIGHT. ABSOLUTELY. THAT'S, I'M GONNA SAY THAT'S A GOOD POINT. THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT. GOOD POINT. YES. UM, SOMETIMES WE GET AHEAD OF OURSELVES A LITTLE BIT. YEAH. YOU KNOW, ABSOLUTELY. AND WHATEVER. UM, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I HAVE NOTHING FOR NOW. OKAY. TIRED. YOU GOT FOUR MINUTES. 10 56. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.