[1. Invocation] [00:00:09] GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE MARCH 24TH, 2026 REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING. BEFORE WE BEGIN THE MEETING, LET ME REFER YOU TO REVIEW THE PROCEDURES FOR THE MEETING. IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK, COMPLETE A REQUEST TO SPEAK FORM LOCATED IN THE ENTRANCE TO THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS AND SUBMIT IT TO THE SERGEANT AT ARMS. WHEN YOUR NAME HAS BEEN CALLED, USE THE MICROPHONE AT THE LECTERN ON THE AUDIENCE'S RIGHT AND EITHER STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS OR YOUR NAME AND CITY. BE MINDFUL THE TIME ON THE LECTERN AND WRAP UP YOUR COMMENTS BEFORE YOUR SPEAKING TIME ENDS. THE TIME LIMITS ARE POSTED ON THE REQUEST TO SPEAK FORMS AND APPLICANT REPRESENTATIVE. A PERSON WITH THE LEGAL STANDING TO SUPPORT OR OPPOSE A QUASI JUDICIAL MATTER WILL BE PERMITTED ENOUGH TIME, AS WILL BE DETERMINED BY THE CITY COUNCIL TO CREATE A RECORD BEFORE THE COUNCIL. ANY PERSON WHO MAKES A PERSONAL, IMPERTINENT OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS OR BECOMES BOISTEROUS WHILE ADDRESSING THE CITY COUNCIL WILL BE ORDERED TO LEAVE THE COUNCIL CHAMBER. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US THIS EVENING. WE'LL BEGIN WITH THE INVOCATION. IF YOU WISH TO PARTICIPATE, PLEASE STAND. TONIGHT'S INVOCATION BE GIVEN BY COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH. THANK YOU. MAYOR, PLEASE JOIN ME FOR A WORD OF PRAYER. HEAVENLY FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE THE CITY OF MELBOURNE. GRANT US WISDOM, UNITY AND CLARITY AS WE MAKE DECISIONS THAT IMPACT OUR COMMUNITY. BLESS THIS CITY. MAY IT CONTINUE TO GROW IN STRENGTH AND CONNECTION. WE LIFT UP OUR NONPROFITS AND SMALL BUSINESSES. MAY THEIR WORK THRIVE AND CONTINUE TO UPLIFT OUR COMMUNITY. WE ASK FOR YOUR GUIDANCE OVER OUR MAYOR, COUNCIL AND CITY STAFF. HELP US LEAD WITH INTEGRITY, HUMILITY AND PURPOSE. PROTECT OUR FIREFIGHTERS, POLICE OFFICERS AND ALL FIRST RESPONDERS. GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, AND SAFETY AS THEY SERVE. MAY OUR WORK TONIGHT MOVE FORWARD IN A WAY THAT HONORS THOSE WE SERVE. AMEN. AMEN. THANK YOU. SIR. PLEASE JOIN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. MOVING ON. ITEM THREE. ROLL CALL, MR. MCGILL OR COUNCIL MEMBER. HANLEY. COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH, I JUST PRAY DO I GET CREDIT? KNOW I'M HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER LARUSSO WILL NOT BE HERE THIS EVENING. COUNCIL MEMBER NEWMAN HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER BASSETT HERE. VICE MAYOR KENNEDY WILL NOT BE HERE THIS EVENING. MAYOR [4. Proclamations and Presentations] ALFREY AND I'M HERE. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO PROCLAMATIONS AND PRESENTATIONS. I HAVE ONE. COULD YOU. JENNIFER JAMES CANNON COME ON UP. WHERE DO YOU WHERE DO YOU WANT TO BE? I GOT AN IDEA. WELL. THANK YOU. HOW'S THAT? ALL RIGHT. HELLO, Y'ALL. HELLO. WELL, ACTUALLY, THIS IS A PROCLAMATION FOR CITY OF MELBOURNE REGARDING WATER CONSERVATION MONTH. AND REALLY, WATER CONSERVATION SHOULD BE ALL TIME OF THE YEAR. THERE'S NOTHING WORSE THAN A LARGE CITY OF MELBOURNE WATER BILL IF YOU DON'T. SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GO ON TO THIS PROCLAMATION. CITY OF MELBOURNE, FLORIDA. WHEREAS WATER IS A BASIC AND ESSENTIAL NEED FOR EVERY EVERY LIVING CREATURE. AND WHEREAS THE STATE OF FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT AND THE CITY OF MELBOURNE ARE WORKING TOGETHER TO INCREASE AWARENESS ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF WATER CONSERVATION. AND WHEREAS THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, THE STATE OF FLORIDA HAVE DESIGNATED APRIL, TYPICALLY A DRY MONTH WHEN WATER DEMANDS ARE MOST ACUTE. AS FLORIDA'S WATER CONSERVATION MONTH TO EDUCATE CITIZENS. CITIZENS ABOUT HOW THEY CAN SAVE FLORIDA'S PRESSURE. WATER. PRECIOUS WATER RESOURCE. AND WHEREAS FOR MANY DECADES, THE CITY OF MELBOURNE HAS ENCOURAGED AND SUPPORTED WATER CONSERVATION THROUGH VARIOUS EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS AND SPECIAL EVENTS. AND WHEREAS EVERY BUSINESS, INDUSTRY, SCHOOL AND CITIZEN CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE WHEN IT COMES TO CONSERVING WATER, THUS PROMOTING A HEALTHY ECONOMY AND COMMUNITY. AND WHEREAS EFFICIENT IRRIGATION DESIGN, PROGRAMING AND MAINTENANCE CAN CONSERVE WATER. THE CITY WILL ENCOURAGE CITIZENS AND BUSINESSES TO EVALUATE THEIR IRRIGATION SYSTEMS FOR POTENTIAL EFFICIENCY ENHANCEMENTS. NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT I, PAUL ALFREY, MAYOR, CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA DO HEREBY PROCLAIM APRIL 2026 AS WATER CONSERVATION MONTH IN THE CITY OF MELBOURNE AND CALL UPON EACH CITIZEN AND BUSINESS TO HELP PROTECT OUR PRECIOUS RESOURCES BY PRACTICING WATER SAFETY MEASURES AND BECOMING MORE AWARE OF THE NEED TO SAVE WATER. FOR THIS, THE 28TH YEAR OF WATER CONSERVATION MONTH, THERE WILL BE A SPECIAL FOCUS ON IRRIGATION SYSTEM EVALUATION. WITNESS MY HAND AND SEAL THE CITY OF MELBOURNE ON THE 24TH DAY OF MARCH 2026. PAUL. MAYOR. SO AGAIN, WATER CONSERVATION MONTH, IF YOU GUYS WOULD SAY A FEW WORDS, I'D GREATLY APPRECIATE IT. I'M GOING TO GIVE IT TO YOU. I CAME PREPARED THIS TIME. SO THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING. WATER IS ONE OF FLORIDA'S MOST PRECIOUS [00:05:04] RESOURCES WE ALL KNOW, AND ALSO ONE OF THE EASIEST TO TAKE FOR GRANTED. AFTER ALL, WE'RE SURROUNDED BY IT. BUT HERE'S THE CATCH. MOST OF THE WATER IS SALTY AND THE FRESHWATER WE RELY ON MAINLY UNDERGROUND SOURCES LIKE THE FLORIDAN AQUIFER IS UNDER INCREASING PRESSURE WITH MORE PEOPLE MOVING IN. I THINK ABOUT 900 A DAY TO FLORIDA, LONGER DROUGHTS AND EVERYONE WANTING LUSH GREEN LAWNS, EVEN IN JULY. CONSERVING WATER ISN'T JUST A GOOD IDEA ANYMORE. IT'S A MUST. WHAT'S THE GOOD NEWS? YOU DON'T NEED TO BE A FULL TIME WATER POLICE TO HELP. THAT'S MY JOB. YOU SMALL, EVERYDAY CHANGES REALLY DO ADD UP. LET'S START OUTSIDE. WHERE THE MAJORITY OF HOUSEHOLD WATER USE HAPPENS. LAWNS IN FLORIDA CAN. LAWNS IN FLORIDA CAN BE DRAMATIC. THEY GET THIRSTY FAST, BUT WATERING EVERY DAY ISN'T HELPING ANYONE. ESPECIALLY NOT YOUR WATER BILL. FOLLOWING SIMPLE GUIDELINES LIKE WATERING JUST ONCE OR TWICE A WEEK CAN MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE. OR IF YOU'RE FEELING BOLD, SWAP OUT THAT HIGH MAINTENANCE GRASS WITH FLORIDA NATIVE PLANTS. FLORIDA NATIVE LANDSCAPING BASICALLY SAYS WORK SMARTER, NOT HARDER. INSIDE THE HOUSE, THINGS ARE EVEN EASIER. FIX THAT LEAK. FIX THAT LEAKY FAUCET. YES, THE ONE YOU'VE BEEN IGNORING. A SLOW DRIP MIGHT NOT SEEM LIKE MUCH, BUT OVER TIME IT CAN WASTE HUNDREDS OF GALLONS. BASICALLY, THE AQUATIC VERSION OF LEAVING YOUR WALLET OPEN. UPGRADING TO A LOW FLOW. SHOWERHEADS AND EFFICIENT APPLIANCES ALSO HELP YOU SAVE WATER WITHOUT GIVING UP YOUR DAILY COMFORTS. AND IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT YOUR HOME, IT'S ABOUT PROTECTING THE PLACES THAT MAKE FLORIDA FLORIDA SPOTS LIKE WEKIWA SPRINGS STATE PARK, MERRITT ISLAND NATIONAL WILDLIFE REFUGE, LAKE WASHINGTON ALL DEPEND ON HEALTHY WATER LEVELS. USE TOO MUCH AND NATURE STARTS SENDING STRONGLY WORDED COMPLAINTS LIKE LOWER SPRING FLOWS, STRUGGLING WILDLIFE AND SALT WATER SNEAKING IN WHERE IT DOESN'T BELONG. OH, AND SAVING WATER ALSO SAVES MONEY. SO WHILE YOU'RE HELPING THE PLANET, YOUR BANK ACCOUNT QUIETLY THANKS YOU TOO. IT'S A WIN WIN IN THE END. WATER CONSERVATION IN FLORIDA ISN'T ABOUT BIG SACRIFICES. IT'S ABOUT SMALL, SMART CHOICES. EVERY HOMEOWNER CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE. AND WHEN MILLIONS OF US DO IT TOGETHER, THE IMPACT IS HUGE. PLUS, FUTURE FLORIDIANS WILL THANK US AND APPRECIATE IT. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. CONGRATULATIONS ALL. AND I WILL SAY THAT WHEN YOU SAID SAVE MONEY, OUR INDEPENDENT CITY AUDITORS LOOKED AND SMILED AND SAID, YES, RIGHT. WE LIKE SAVING MONEY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THANKS A LOT. APPRECIATE IT. I APPRECIATE YOU ALL. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. [5. Approval of Minutes - March 10, 2026 Regular Meeting] WE'RE MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE. APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE MARCH 10TH, 2026 REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING. MAYOR. GO AHEAD. MA'AM. APPROVAL OF THE MARCH 10TH. MARCH 10TH, 2026. REGULAR MEETING MINUTES. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE AYE, AND THAT MOTION PASSES. MOVING ON TO ITEM [6. City Manager's Report] NUMBER SIX, CITY MANAGER'S REPORT. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. IT. THESE. THE TWO OF THESE THINGS ARE IN THE MANAGER'S REPORT. ONE IS THAT THE US TREASURY HAS REDEFINED THE FEDERAL OPPORTUNITY ZONE PROGRAM. AND SO THIS THE OSI 2.0 IS, I GUESS, WHAT THEY'RE CALLING IT. AND AS PART OF THAT, THE GOVERNORS CAN ONLY NOMINATE 25% OF THE STATE'S ELIGIBLE CENSUS TRACKS. AND SO WE WILL HAVE TO BE THE CITY WILL HAVE TO MAKE AN APPLICATION WITH THIS INFORMATION WE THOUGHT WE HAD UNTIL AUGUST 1ST. WE HAVE JUST RECENTLY LEARNED THE DEADLINE IS APRIL 1ST, OR AT LEAST WE HAVE TO MAKE A SUBMITTAL BY THEN. SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR TONIGHT IS SEEKING COUNCIL CONSENSUS FOR THE MAYOR TO SIGN A LETTER OF SUPPORT IDENTIFYING THE NEW ELIGIBLE CENSUS TRACTS. AND IN YOUR MANAGER'S REPORT, IN THE AGENDA PACKAGE, IT SHOWS WHERE THE CURRENT OPPORTUNITY ZONE FEDERAL OPPORTUNITY ZONES ARE. BUT THEN IT ALSO SHOWS WHERE THE. THE NEXT MAP SHOWS WHERE THE NEW CENSUS TRACKS THAT THAT ARE ELIGIBLE SHOW. AND NOT JUST THE NEW. THE ONLY ONES THAT SHOW. SO WE WILL BE SUBMITTING THE SUBMITTING THOSE OR SUBMITTING THE BULK OF THOSE. AND WE WILL BE PROVIDING UNDER [00:10:03] SEPARATE COVER. ONCE WE, WE LOOK AT ALL OF THEM AND MAKE SURE THEY WILL ALL BE SUBMITTED. SO AND THAT'S IF WE HAVE COUNCIL CONSENSUS OR WE DON'T HEAR ANY OBJECTIONS, WE'LL HAVE THE MAYOR SIGN THAT LETTER OF SUPPORT. SO JUST SO I'M CLEAR, WE'RE WE'RE ADDING TO THE CENSUS TRACKS AND OPPORTUNITY ZONE. JUST KNOW THAT THE OPPORTUNITY ZONES THAT WE HAVE IN THERE RIGHT NOW, NOT ALL OF THEM QUALIFY. SOME OF THOSE AREAS OVERLAP. AND SO THE SECOND MAP THAT TRACKS ELIGIBLE, WHICH IS PAGE 24 IN YOUR AGENDA PACKAGE, THOSE IN THE TAN AREAS ARE THE ONLY ONES ELIGIBLE TO APPLY FOR. OKAY. IF YOU SEE A LOT OF THAT IS THERE'S IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA ALONG IN BETWEEN HIBISCUS AND NEW HAVEN, YOU'VE GOT SOUTH MELBOURNE, YOU HAVE THE EAU GALLIE AREA, AND THEN UP THE US ONE CORRIDOR. AND SO THAT THOSE ARE THE NEW CENSUS TRACKS THAT ARE ELIGIBLE. HOW HOW COME HOW COME? I FORGOT TO ASK YOU. AND THEY'RE THEY'RE LIKE, I'LL SAY SANO ROAD AND PARTS OF AURORA THAT HAVE BEEN, I FEEL LIKE NEGLECTED IN THE. THEY'RE JUST OLD AND IT. AND WE JUST CONCENTRATE ON THE DOWNTOWN AND THE DOWNTOWN EAU GALLIE AREA. BUT WE DON'T SEEM TO BE PUTTING ANYTHING INTO THOSE AREAS. WELL, SOME OF THESE CENSUS TRACKS COVER NOT ALL THE WAY FROM US ONE TO WICKHAM ROAD, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE US ONE TO CROTON AND IN BETWEEN SANO AND EAU GALLIE BOULEVARD. SO WE MAY BE ABLE TO PICK UP SOME OF THOSE AREAS AS PART OF THAT. THERE'S SOME OF THOSE AREAS THAT HAVE JUST THEY PAY THEIR TAXES, BUT THEY DON'T GET ANY LOVING. MAYOR. GO AHEAD, GO AHEAD. MY FINAL QUESTION JUST SORT OF HERE PUBLICLY, WHAT IS THE BENEFIT OF THE OPPORTUNITY ZONES TO SAY THE CITY OR TO OUR RESIDENTS OR TO BUSINESSES, NONPROFITS? IS THAT SOMETHING WE COULD BRIEFLY KIND OF TOUCH ON? THE OPPORTUNITY HAS COME UP. SO THE OPPORTUNITY ZONES IS A FEDERAL PROGRAM. IT'S REALLY UTILIZED TO INCENTIVIZE JOB CREATION AND REVITALIZATION. SO THE CITY OF MELBOURNE DOESN'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING PER SE TO DO WITH THAT. THE BENEFITS WOULD COME TO THE CITY BY GETTING, YOU KNOW, REDEVELOPMENT AND DEVELOPMENT OCCURRING IN THESE OPPORTUNITY ZONES, THUS INCREASING OUR TAX BASE. BUT THERE'S NOT ANY OTHER SORT OF DIRECT, YOU KNOW, INCENTIVE THAT'S COMING TO THE CITY. ON THE TAX RETURNS. I'M SORRY, I COULDN'T. THESE ARE THE OPPORTUNITY ZONES THAT ARE IN. IF YOU PUT MONEY IN FOR IN THE RIGHT THERE, THE BENEFIT IS, IS TO THE DEVELOPER AND BEING ABLE TO DEFER CAPITAL GAINS TAX IS THAT TIME OF YEAR. YEAH. SO THAT THE BENEFIT FOR DEVELOPERS TO, YOU KNOW, DO EXPANSIONS AND PROJECTS IN OPPORTUNITY ZONES IS BECAUSE THEY GET SOME BENEFIT ON THE CAPITAL GAINS DEFERMENT ON THEIR PRIVATE SIDE, BUT THERE'S NOT ANYTHING DIRECTLY COMING TO THE CITY. CORRECT. AND, AND IF I'M IF I'M CORRECT, I'VE DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH ON ALL THESE HUB ZONES, OPPORTUNITY ZONES 2.0 AND CRA'S AND ALL THOSE. SO IF I'M JUST, I WANT TO SORT OF PUBLICLY STATED THERE'S OPPORTUNITY ZONES ARE MORE FOR THE MID TO LARGER SIZED COMPANIES. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING IN PARTICULAR FOR THE SMALLER. NO, THERE'S NOT THOSE KIND OF DEFINITIONS IN OPPORTUNITY ZONES. NO, IT'S IT'S FAIRLY WIDE OPEN JOB CREATION, REVITALIZATION OVERALL. THEY'RE THEY'RE BASED ON ELIGIBLE CENSUS TRACTS THAT HAVE AT LEAST 70% OR LOWER MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD INCOME. SO IT'S TARGETED IN AREAS, YOU KNOW, THAT HAVE A LOWER INCOME POPULATION. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. GREAT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. NEXT UP IS A LETTER OF SUPPORT THAT IS BEING REQUESTED BY CRYSTAL PLANE. SHE IS THE FOUNDER, PRESIDENT, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF BLACK BRILLIANCE ON THE ROOFTOP. SHE IS ASKING FOR A LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR THEIR GRANT APPLICATION FOR THE COMMUNITY QUARTERBACK GRANT FOR SMALL BUSINESS, FUNDED BY TRUIST STAFF, HAS INCLUDED A BRIEF WRITE UP HERE IN YOUR MANAGER'S REPORT. WE HAVE ALSO INCLUDED IN THE MANAGER'S REPORT WHAT THEIR INITIATIVE IS FOR THIS COMMUNITY QUARTERBACK GRANT, AND THEN ALSO A DRAFT OF THE LETTER OF SUPPORT. SO IT'S I DON'T WANT TO SAY IT'S UNCOMMON TO DO THESE. I DON'T HAVE ISSUE IF COUNCIL HAS NO PROBLEMS WITH ME DOING THESE. YOU KNOW, IT DEPENDS HOW MANY WE START DOING. IF WE NEED TO SET UP SOME PROTOCOLS ON POLICY [00:15:04] FOR THEM. STAFF DID A CHECK INTO THIS ORGANIZATION AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH PROVIDING A LETTER OF SUPPORT. SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE CONSENSUS FOR ME TO PROVIDE JUST THAT COMMUNITY SUPPORT, NOBODY NOT OKAY. AND THEN THIS ONE IS NOT ON THE AGENDA. SO IT'S LETTER OF SUPPORT TIME OF YEAR, I GUESS. SO THE AIRPORT CONTACTED ME YESTERDAY AND THEY WERE ASKING FOR A LETTER OF SUPPORT TO COME FROM ME FOR, TO EXPRESS SUPPORT FOR THEIR $5 MILLION FEDERAL FUNDING REQUEST FOR TERMINAL INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS AT THE MELBOURNE ORLANDO INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT. AND, YOU KNOW, TO ME, I WOULD THINK WITH WITH COUNCIL'S SUPPORT OF THE AIRPORT IN THE PAST AND, YOU KNOW, ANY ANY FEDERAL FUNDING THAT THEY CAN GET TO DO IMPROVEMENTS AT THE AIRPORT, I WOULD HOPE THAT THERE WOULD BE CONSENSUS FOR ME TO SIGN THAT LETTER OF SUPPORT. YEAH. OKAY. GOT IT. OKAY. I SEE ALL NODS. SO WE'RE GOOD ON ALL THREE OF THEM. ANYTHING ELSE? I HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO REPORT. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. [7. Public Comments] THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO ITEM SEVEN PUBLIC COMMENTS. WE HAVE A COUPLE. OKAY. AND WE'LL START OUT WITH I'M SORRY, EMMA MARIE CORREA. I'M SORRY. DID I PUT YOU THAT FOLLOWED BY GRACE SMITH. RUN OUT UP THERE. AND YOU DROPPED YOUR GLASSES MISS. OH THANK YOU. DIVERSIFIED. YOU CAN TALK. I ALSO FILLED OUT A THING. WHERE TOGETHER? MY NAME IS VICKI DITMAN. AND WE'RE HERE BECAUSE MR. RAYA OWNS A TRIPLEX ON GUAVA AVENUE. AND SINCE FEBRUARY 23RD, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON GETTING THE PLUMBING TO WORK. SHE PAID FOR A TOTAL REPIPE. AND THEN WE FOUND OUT IT WAS A SEWER PROBLEM. SO WE CONTACTED THE CITY. THE CITY CAME OUT AND SAID THERE IS A PROBLEM. THEY MARKED IT WHERE IT WAS, WHERE THEY THOUGHT IT WAS, AND THEY SAID, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING BECAUSE IT'S ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. SO WE THEN ASKED FOR A PLAN OF WHERE THE SEWER WAS OR SOME KIND OF DOCUMENTATION, SO THAT A PLUMBER COULD FIX IT, AND WE NEVER GOT THAT. I TALKED TO SEVERAL PEOPLE. I TALKED TO BUTCH, AMIRJ, MATT, AND THEN DAVID NEWMAN. AND WHEN I TALKED TO BUTCH AND AMIR AND ALL THEM. SO I TALKED TO THEM SEVERAL TIMES AND THERE WAS ALWAYS, YES, THERE WAS A PROBLEM, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING. AND I SAID, OKAY, PLEASE JUST GIVE US DOCUMENTS SO THAT WE CAN DO IT, YOU KNOW WHERE IT IS AND NOT SPEND A LOT OF MONEY HUNTING FOR SOMETHING. WE DON'T KNOW WHERE IT IS OR EVEN WHERE IT GOES. AND THE LAST THING I DID WAS I CONTACTED A CITY COUNCILWOMAN IN WEST MELBOURNE THAT I KNOW, AND SHE CONTACTED DAVID NEWMAN. HE CONTACTED ME AND HE SAID THAT SOMEONE WAS GOING TO GO OUT AND LOOK AT IT, AND THEY REPORTED BACK TO HIM THAT THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG. BUT WE HAVE A TRIPLEX FULL OF THREE FAMILIES WHO CANNOT GO TO THE BATHROOM, CANNOT TAKE A SHOWER, CANNOT BATHE AND THEY ARE THREATENING TO LEAVE OR NOT PAY RENT. AND SO WE NEED HELP WITH GETTING THIS RESOLVED. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BEST THING IS, BUT AT LEAST SOME HELP OF WHERE DOES THE SEWER GO? IT'S NOT ON HER PROPERTY, OTHERWISE IT WOULD ALREADY BE FIXED. I CONTACTED THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY THAT HAD SUPPOSEDLY IS ON. HE SAID YES, WE CAN GO ON THE PROPERTY AND JUST DON'T YOU KNOW, DAMAGE HIS PROPERTY IN ANY WAY. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE SEWER GOES AND I NEED HELP. WE NEED HELP TO GET THIS RESOLVED, MAYOR. AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, MISS, I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS ALL THE WAY UP TO LIKE 15 MINUTES AGO WITH WITH JENNY, AND JENNY'S BEEN ON TOP OF IT. SO. JENNY, IS IT JENNY? DO YOU ARE YOU ABLE TO. YES. OH. THANK YOU. SO STAFF HAS BEEN OUT THERE AND HAS BEEN IN CONTACT WITH WITH THE I THINK BOTH WOMEN THAT HAVE BEEN THAT ARE UP HERE TODAY. WE DID TELEVISE THE CITY SIDE AND THE PRIVATE SIDE ON FEBRUARY 18TH, AND WE IDENTIFIED THAT THE BLOCKAGE IS ON THE PRIVATE SIDE, WHICH IS OLD CAST IRON PIPE, AND IT'S CONSTRICTED DOWN TO A ONE INCH OPENING INSIDE OF A FOUR INCH PIPE. WE'VE SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME STARTING TO INVESTIGATE THIS FROM ABOUT FEBRUARY 13TH, WHEN WE RESPONDED TO A BACKUP ISSUE. AND SO YOU KNOW THAT ONCE THERE'S A POINT OF CONNECTION AND FROM THAT POINT ON IS THE CITY'S. AND THEN FROM THE HOUSE TO THAT POINT IS PRIVATE AND PRIVATE PROPERTY [00:20:03] OWNERS. AND SO I BELIEVE WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING WE CAN TO, TO IDENTIFY ABOUT WHERE THE PROBLEM IS OR HOW FAR UP THE LINE IT IS. BUT WE DON'T MAINTAIN FILES FOR, FOR LIKE HOW THEY'VE CONNECTED IN INTERNALLY TO THAT POINT OF CONNECTION. AND SO AT THIS POINT, I'M NOT SURE FROM THE CITY STANDPOINT WHAT ELSE CAN BE DONE AS IT IS, WE SORT OF WENT ABOVE AND BEYOND BY HAMMERING ON THE PRIVATE SIDE TO DETERMINE IT WAS TRULY A PROBLEM ON THE UPSTREAM SIDE. WELL, MY QUESTION REAL QUICK THEN, IT'S SOMETHING REALLY THAT THEIR PLUMBER IS GOING TO HAVE TO ADDRESS BECAUSE IF IT'S CAST IRON ON THEIR SIDE, THAT'S SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED BY IF IF Y'ALL KNEW THIS ON FEBRUARY 13TH, WE DIDN'T CONTACT YOU TILL THE 23RD. SO I'M REALLY SURPRISED TO HEAR THAT YOU HAVE THAT MUCH INFORMATION. AND I DID ASK FOR SOME KIND OF DIAGRAM OR SOMETHING SO THAT WE COULD CONTINUE TO ADDRESS THE SITUATION. AND THAT WAS NEVER GIVEN. AND IN FACT, WHEN DAVID NEWMAN HAD SOMEONE GO OUT THERE, THEY CAME BACK AND SAID, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG. BUT IT TURNED OUT THAT IT WAS NOTHING WRONG. ON OUR SIDE OF IT WAS WHAT JENNY CLARIFIED WITH ME THAT WASN'T CONVENIENT. I UNDERSTAND, I'M JUST MAKING SURE. SO THE COMMUNICATION IS NOT VERY GOOD TO THE PUBLIC. I MEAN, IF Y'ALL DID THIS ON THE 13TH, WE STARTED THIS PROCESS ON THE 23RD, IT WOULD HAVE SAVED US A WHOLE MONTH OF CHASING PEOPLE AROUND TRYING TO GET ANSWERS. YOU KNOW, AND THEN PEOPLE JUST SAYING, OH, WELL, IT'S NOT OUR PROBLEM. IT'S NOT OUR PROBLEM THAT DOESN'T HELP SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, NO, NO, NO, MA'AM. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT THE ISSUE IS THE CITY'S RESPONSIBLE TO THE FROM THE CITY SIDE AND THE HOMEOWNER OR THE THE PROPERTY OWNER IS RESPONSIBLE ON THE PROPERTY. SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE PROBLEM IS NOT ON OUR PROPERTY. THEN IT'S NOT ON. OKAY. SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND THE CITY'S POINT OF CONNECTION, WHICH IS THE PRIVATE SIDE, WHICH IS THE CUSTOMER'S RESPONSIBILITY. YEAH. I MEAN. YOU'RE SAYING IT'S NOT ON YOUR DID THE PLUMBER IDENTIFY WHERE IT WAS? YEAH. IT'S PAST 50 YARDS PAST HER PROPERTY LINE. WHOSE PROPERTY? HER PROPERTY IS ANOTHER PROPERTY BEHIND HER. AND I WAS TOLD THAT PROBABLY WHAT HAPPENED WAS AT ONE TIME THAT WAS ALL ONE BIG PIECE OF PROPERTY. AND THEN THEY DIVIDED IT UP AND THEY NEVER PUT AN EASEMENT BETWEEN THEM TO SERVICE THE SEWER. AND SO, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE PROPERTY TAXES BEING PAID FOR SEWER THAT'S NOT BEING SERVICED. AND, AND AT THIS POINT, I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S BEEN SERVICED FOR A LONG TIME. OKAY. SO REALLY, I, I THINK WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN AND TO SOLVE THIS, IF POSSIBLE, THE CITY, THE CITY MANAGER, CAN YOU FOLLOW UP ON THIS AND SEE IF THEY SPEAK TO THE PLUMBER OR SOMETHING? SO BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING I THINK THAT'S THE BEST ROUTE TO DO BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S ON ANOTHER PROPERTY. AND LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S PROBABLY GOING. AND I'VE SEEN SOME OF THEM. AND EVEN IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY GO INTO A BACKYARD, THEY GO THROUGH SOMEBODY ELSE'S YARD AND THEY GO, THERE'S A DITCH LINE WHERE THEY CONNECT. SO I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE LOCATED AND IT MIGHT BE ON SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY. THAT'S KIND OF AN IFFY ONE, BUT WE'LL TRY TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN FOR YOU. I JUST NEED TO KNOW WHERE THE SEWER CONNECTION IS. AND I THINK WE COULD SAY THAT OUR PLUMBER DOESN'T. WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY A PLUMBER TO HUNT FOR DAYS OR, YOU KNOW, HOURS FOR THIS PROBLEM. WE HAVE A ROUGH IDEA WHERE THE SEWER IS, BUT SINCE IT'S ALL ON PRIVATE PROPERTY AND THIS THEN STEMS IF THIS WAS ONE PROPERTY OWNER IN THE PAST, WHEN PEOPLE START SUBDIVIDING AND THEY'RE NOT DOING SUBDIVISIONS AND FLATS AND PROPER EASEMENTS, I MEAN, THAT WAS ALL PRIVATE SEWER, RIGHT? AND HAS NEVER BEEN TURNED OVER TO THE CITY, NEVER BEEN IDENTIFIED TO THE CITY. SO WE DON'T WE DON'T KNOW WHERE EXACTLY WHERE IT IS. HOW DO WE. WELL, REAL QUICK. AND IS THIS A GOOD NUMBER FOR YOU? AND YEAH, IT'S GOOD NUMBER. WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS I, I, I'VE BEEN BUSY LAST COUPLE DAYS, BUT I'VE GOT THE NEXT COUPLE DAYS, I'M NOT AS BUSY. I'M GOING TO FOLLOW BACK UP WITH YOU BECAUSE I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH PLUMBING. I'VE DONE HOOKUPS. I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE GOT TO DO IS JUST IDENTIFY WHERE THAT IS. AND YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN A CONTRACTOR. I CAN EVEN SPEAK WITH THE PLUMBER. AND, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S SOMEONE ELSE'S PROPERTY, SEE WHAT WE HAVE TO DO, IF WE HAVE TO DO ANYTHING TO GET SOME, SOME KIND OF PERMISSION, YOU KNOW, TO GET THAT FIXED. BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE IF WE RUN A CAMERA AND IT WENT FROM A FOUR INCH LINE TO A ONE INCH, AND IF WE DID HAVE A CAMERA, HER PLUMBER IS AN EXCELLENT PLUMBER. YEAH. AND HE IS CERTIFIED TO DO SEWER WORK. YEAH. AND I'M A, I'M A HOME INSPECTOR AND I DO SUPERSCOPE. SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH WITH, WITH THE SEWER SCOPE. SO AND HE PUT A CAMERA DOWN AND, AND IT WENT, HE, THEY WENT PAST 50 YARDS FROM HER AND WE TALKED TO THE OWNER BEHIND HER AND HE SAID WE COULD GO ON HIS PROPERTY. [00:25:01] PERFECT. SO I'M GOING TO FOLLOW UP WITH YOU AND I DON'T WANT TO THE THE CITY AND I DON'T WANT GOVERNMENT TO BE KIND OF IN YOUR WAY. SO I'LL SEE WHAT I CAN DO. AND I'M GOING TO WRITE THIS DOWN, AND I WILL GIVE YOU A CALL TOMORROW AND I'LL GET ON IT. RIGHT NOW I HAVE ONE OF THE TENANTS THAT'S USING A PORTA POTTY IN THE HOUSE BECAUSE IT'S BACKED UP TO HIS HOUSE. IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, ALL MY ALL MY LINES ARE CLEAR. YEAH. RIGHT. SO THE OTHER THING I'VE GOT TO ASK IS, WHO PUT THIS STUPID PIPING DOWN IN THE BEGINNING? THAT WOULD BE THAT THEY WOULD KNOW IN THE FUTURE. YOU WANT ME TO ANSWER THAT FOR YOU? THE LAST MAYOR? I'M JUST. I'M JUST KIDDING. I'M JUST KIDDING. THAT'S JUST A JOKE. EVERYONE DON'T THROW STUFF. JUST JOKE, OKAY? IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THAT HOUSE WASN'T THERE IN THE BEGINNING AND THE CITY LAID IT. WHO'S RESPONSIBILITY SHOULD BE LAID? IF IT WAS LAID BY THE MAN WE GOT? WE GOT PIPES DOWN, SANO THAT WERE BUILT IN THE 50S OR CLAY. I'VE SEEN THEM. AND REALLY I WASN'T WASN'T BORN YET. DON'T KNOW. BUT FOR CLARIFICATION, THESE ARE NOT CITY OF MELBOURNE LINE. OH AND I KNOW THEY'RE GOING ON THEIR PRIVATE LINES. MY MY MY WHOLE, MY WHOLE IDEA IS TO HELP THEM LOCATE IT AND THEN LET THE PLUMBER KNOW. AND YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY IT'S NOT THAT DEEP, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY IT'S ONLY A TWO FEET DEEP. AND I JUST WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT IF, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SEWER IN OUR CITY AND PROPERTIES ARE BEING SOLD AND THINGS ARE CHANGING, IT SHOULD BE AN AUTOMATIC THING THAT THERE BE AN EASEMENT PUT FOR THOSE SEWER LINES TO BE MAINTAINED, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT YOUR AVERAGE TAXPAYER PAY PAYER IS GOING TO HAVE TO. OBVIOUSLY, WE DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO IT, AND IT'S VERY, VERY FRUSTRATING TO NOT HAVE, YOU KNOW, ACCESS WHEN THERE SHOULD BE ACCESS BY THE CITY. MA'AM, MA'AM, I WISH YOU WERE HERE LAST WEEK BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE ARGUED WITH WITH SOMEONE WANTED THEY WANTED TO KILL AN EASEMENT. THEY WANTED THE EASEMENT WERE. AND EVEN OUR CITY STAFF SAID WE NEED A UTILITY EASEMENT FOR THAT SAME ANSWER. BUT WE. I AGREE WITH YOU, AND I'M DEFINITELY GOING TO GIVE YOU A CALL TOMORROW AND GET THIS RESOLVED. OKAY. THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO WORK WITH YOU ON THAT, AND I'LL REPORT BACK TO EVERYBODY AND LET THEM KNOW. THANK YOU SO MUCH. YES, MA'AM. I'M GONNA HOLD ON TO THAT ONE. YEAH. GRACIE SMITH. FOLLOWED BY 1111 AND. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL. I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF EBONY NEWS TODAY, AND I'D LIKE TO EXTEND A FORMAL INVITATION, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY ABOUT EBONY NEWS TODAY. THERE HAVE BEEN IN BREVARD COUNTY, THERE HAVE BEEN SERVING BREVARD COUNTY FOR 24 YEARS, DOING PUBLICATIONS FOR FREE, EDUCATING THE PUBLIC. AND IN EVERY AVENUE HELD SPIRITUAL, WHATEVER. NOW THEY'RE MOVING FROM NEWSPAPER TO TELEVISION STREAMING. I DID DROP OFF AN INVITATION TO THE MAYOR AND I NEVER GOT A RESPONSE. SO I'M HERE PERSONALLY TO INVITE YOU FORMALLY TO THE NETWORK IN THE. IT'S A RED CARPET RIBBON CUTTING GALA, AND I'LL JUST READ A BRIEF LETTER FROM ABRAHAM, THE FOUNDER, WHICH IS BEN KANE. AND IN HERE HE SAYS, I HOPE THIS MESSAGE FINDS YOU IN EXCELLENT HEALTH AND HIGH SPIRITS. ON BEHALF OF EBONY NEWS TODAY, IT IS MY HONOR TO EXTEND A FORMAL INVITATION FOR YOU TO ATTEND AND SUPPORT THE LAUNCH OF OUR NEW TELEVISION STREAMING NETWORK, OUR VOICE, OUR VISION, YOUR SCREEN. THIS GROUNDBREAKING MEDIA PLATFORM PLATFORM IS DEDICATED TO UPLIFTING, INFORMING, AND CONNECTING WITH OUR COMMUNITY THROUGH AUTHENTIC, EMPOWERING STORYTELLING. THE LOCATION WILL BE AT THE HOLIDAY INN EXPRESS, SPACE COAST CENTER, SPACE COAST CONVENTION CENTER ON TUCKER LANE. THIS SPECIAL CELEBRATION WILL BRING TOGETHER COMMUNITY LEADERS AND ENTREPRENEURS, FAITH ORGANIZATIONS, OUR RESIDENTS, AND THIS IS A MAJOR MILESTONE IN POSITIVE, COMMUNITY FOCUSED MEDIA. IT WILL BE AN HONOR IF THE MAYOR WOULD ATTEND IN SUPPORT AND ALSO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS. I HAVE ENVELOPES HERE FOR EACH ONE OF YOU. SHOULD I GIVE IT TO. YEAH. THAT'S FINE. GIVE THEM. TAKE A LOOK AT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU MAYOR. GO AHEAD SIR. THANK YOU, MISS GRACE, FOR BRINGING THAT INFORMATION. I WAS JUST WONDERING. SO THE ACTUAL NEWSPAPER, DO WE DO WE HAVE COPIES OF THAT HERE IN CITY HALL? DO YOU KNOW? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE IT HERE. HE'S BEEN IT'S BEEN DELIVERED THROUGHOUT THE BREVARD COUNTY FROM I MEAN, THROUGH ALL THE LOCAL STORES. AND THIS IS HOW IT IS DISTRIBUTED AND THE PUBLIC IS PICKING IT UP AND BEING EDUCATED THROUGH THAT. SO NOW THEY'RE GOING THROUGH NETWORKING, TELEVISION, SCREEN STREAMING, WHICH IS ALSO [00:30:08] ACCESSIBLE THROUGH APPLE TV, ROKU, KNOW, IT'S A NEW FORM OF MEDIA PRESENTATION. SO THE RED CARPET WILL BE INTRODUCED INTO YOU HOW IT REALLY WORKS. AND THEY'LL BE DOING A READ RED CARPET RIBBON CUTTING. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. LEVON JUMAANE. FOLLOWED BY VICKI DITTMANN. YES, SHE WAS THE OTHER ONE. VICKI. OKAY. YES. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JOHN LUCAS. THIS IS MY SON, LEVON JAMON. I HAVE BEEN ON THE MARATHON GAS STATION LAST 22 YEARS ON A US ONE AND. AND I AM GOING THROUGH SOME STRUGGLE BETWEEN THIS MEDIAN WORK IS GOING ON AND IT IS REALLY IMPACTED ON THE BUSINESS. AND MY SON IS GOING TO EXPLAIN. SO I WROTE DOWN A SMALL SPEECH. SO THE DENIAL OF THE LEFT TURN ACCESS FROM SOUTHBOUND US ONE ONTO HOG AVENUE HAS CREATED A SIGNIFICANT OPERATIONAL AND ECONOMIC CHALLENGES FOR OUR BUSINESS. THIS ROAD DESIGN RESTRICTS DIRECT CUSTOMER ACCESS, RESULTING IN A 30 TO 40% REVENUE LOSS DAILY. AND ADDITIONALLY, OUR DELIVERY TRUCKS, THE BIG TANKER TRUCKS DELIVERING GAS WEEKLY, THEY ARE NOT THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO SAFELY AND EFFICIENTLY ACCESS THE U-TURN THAT'S ON UNIVERSITY BOULEVARD. SO THEY GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE SOUTHEASTERN HONDA AND THEY MAKE A U-TURN. AND SO THEN WHEN THEY'RE LEAVING THE STORE AS WELL, THEY'RE TAKING THE BACK ROADS ALONG RIVERVIEW DRIVE. AND SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, CAUSING A OVERUSE ONTO THE UNPAVED HOAG AVENUE ROAD. AND THEN THOSE BACK ROADS, JUST BECAUSE THEY DON'T FEEL IT'S SAFE ENOUGH WHEN THEY LEAVE OUR STORE TO TAKE THAT U-TURN THROUGH THE MEDIAN. WE'VE SPOKEN TO FDOT, BUT WE ALSO NEED YOUR PUSH FOR THIS, YOU KNOW, MEDIAN TO AT LEAST FOR US TO GRANT ACCESS TO OUR LEFT TURN INTO HOAG AVENUE AS WELL AS THE THE MEDIAN OPENING UP TO GO LEFT OUT OF OUR STATION TOWARDS SOUTH ON US. ONE. THEN ANOTHER ISSUE IS THAT THIS IS DRIVING UP OUR OPERATING COSTS AS WELL AS THE PROPERTY'S ABILITY TO ATTRACT ANY FURTHER COMMERCIAL INVESTMENT. AND THEN IF THIS IS UNRESOLVED, WE MAY EVEN HAVE TO LOOK TOWARDS CLOSING DOWN THE STORE EVENTUALLY. IF THIS HAPPENS. AND THEN ANOTHER THING IS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE PROUDLY OWNED THIS STORE FOR THE LAST 22 YEARS. WE'VE BUILT SO MUCH RELATIONSHIPS, PROBABLY THREE WITHIN 300 CLOSE CUSTOMERS OF OURS, YOU KNOW, TALKING TO THEM EVERY DAY. AND, AND SO THAT'S WHAT'S BEING DENIED WITH US AS WELL. THIS ACCESS ONTO HOG AVENUE IS CAUSING THE INCONVENIENCE TO EVERYONE'S DAILY ROUTINES. AND WE HAVE ABOUT MAYBE 200 SIGNATURES OF PETITIONS SIGNED AT THE STATION. AND WE HAVE IT HERE IN HAND. AND SO THERE'S THE OTHER ISSUE IS A LEFT TURN ON. ROOSEVELT. RIGHT IS BLOCKING, YOU KNOW, IT'S ROOSEVELT IS A ROAD WITH NOTHING ON THERE, YOU KNOW, AND SO THERE'S NO USE OF THAT ROAD REALLY FOR BUSINESS OR, YOU KNOW, ANY KIND OF HELP, EVEN RESIDENTIAL. THERE'S MORE HOUSES ON HOGUE AVENUE. AND SO WE WOULD JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, AN EXCELLENT EXPLANATION OF THAT DECISION. AND THEN ALSO SOME WAY, IF THERE'S A POSSIBILITY TO GET A LEFT ONTO HOGUE AVENUE AS WELL. REAL QUICK, MR. NEWMAN. SO ONE THAT'S PARTICULARLY MY AREA. SO HAPPY TO KEEP IN TOUCH WITH YOU GUYS AS IT'S GOING THROUGH IT, BUT I KNOW THAT THIS CAME UP DURING THE TPO MEETING. AND SO I TALKED TO OUR CITY MANAGER ABOUT THAT SHORTLY THEREAFTER. THEY'RE TALKING WITH THE TPO NOW. I DON'T MAKE ANY PROMISES WE CAN'T KEEP, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT IT JUST TO SEE WHAT'S POSSIBLE. BUT IT IS A IT'S IN CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW. YEAH, WHATEVER. BUT WHATEVER IT IS THAT WE CAN DO, OUR CITY MANAGER IS AWARE OF IT. SHE'S BEEN TALKING TO TO THE TPO ABOUT IT. SO I WANT YOU TO KNOW IT IS ON TOP OF MIND. OKAY. AND THEN THE OTHER THING WAS DURING THE PLANNING OF THIS, THERE'S A LOT OF BUSINESSES IN THAT AREA OR A LOT OF BUILDINGS THAT ARE VACANT WHICH HAVE ACCESS TO OR EITHER, YOU KNOW, A LOT MORE SIMPLE ACCESS INTO. BUT IN THAT COMMUNITY, THERE'S LIKE A VERY SHORT AMOUNT OF, I MEAN, LOW [00:35:04] AMOUNT OF RUNNING AND STRONG RUNNING BUSINESSES. SO THIS IS BLOCKING ONE OF THOSE ACCESSES, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, WHICH COULD CAUSE JUST ANOTHER VACANT BUILDING INTO THAT AREA, INTO THAT COMMUNITY. MISS HANLEY, I'VE SPOKEN TO JAMAL AND ALL THAT, AND I'VE SPOKEN TO OTHER BUSINESSES THERE. AND ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS IS THERE IS HOW THIS IS BEING BUILT, THAT I HAVE CLIENTS THERE THAT HAVE RENTAL PROPERTY. THEY HAVE PEOPLE LOOKING AT IT BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT'S BEEN STRUCTURED. NOBODY WILL RENT THERE BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GET THEIR EQUIPMENT, THEIR TRUCKS IN AND OUT OF THERE. I KNOW THAT GLEN'S TIRES IS HAVING A PROBLEM GETTING IN AND OUT OF THEIR BUSINESS RIGHT THERE ON UNITS ONE THAT THEY'RE HAVING TO GO DOWN THE, I CALL IT THE ACCESS ROAD. IF THERE IS A NAME FOR IT, I'M SORRY, I DON'T KNOW IT, BUT EVEN TO GET THEIR TIRES IN THERE, THEY CAN'T GET THERE. THE BIG TRUCKS IN THERE. SO THIS IS NOT JUST MR. JAMAL'S PROBLEM. WHEN YOU DON'T WHEN YOU HAVE BUSINESSES THERE AND THEY CAN'T RENT THE PROPERTY, THEY HAVE PEOPLE LOOKING AT THEM AND WANT THAT SPOT, BUT THEY CAN'T GET THERE. THEIR TRUCKS, THEIR EVERYDAY EQUIPMENT TYPE OF TRUCKS IN AND OUT OF THERE. AND IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT WILL BE EVEN IN THE FUTURE. I KNOW IT'S CONSTRUCTION. WE GOT A PROBLEM AND I AND I HAVE SPOKEN TO FDOT ABOUT THAT. WE, CHUCK AND I HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT IT. I'LL BE TALKING TO HIM AGAIN THIS IN TWO WEEKS, IN ABOUT A WEEK OR TWO, TEN DAYS. SO I'LL BE IN A MEETING WITH HIM IN ABOUT TEN DAYS. SO I'M TRYING TO WORK WITH, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND I'M A BUSINESS PERSON AND IF YOU CAN'T COME TO MY DOOR, THEN WHAT GOOD IS IT WE. THERE WAS THE MAYOR'S A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER, MR. LARUSSO. SO WE KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE. WE NEED YOU NEED THOSE PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO GET TO YOUR DOOR. AND LIKE I SAID, IF YOU CAN'T RENT THE PROPERTY THERE OR YOU CAN'T MAKE THE TURNS. I'VE HEARD THAT SOME OF YOUR BUSINESSES THAT USE YOUR GAS STATION, THEY ALL I MEAN, YOU GUYS ARE A VERY TIGHT GROUP DOWN THERE. I DIDN'T REALIZE HOW TIGHT YOU WERE, BUT THEY'RE HAVING PROBLEMS JUST GOING AROUND THE CORNER TO GET GAS. YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S AN ISSUE WHEN THEY HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO UNIVERSITY TO MAKE THAT TURN. THAT'S IT'S NOT DOABLE. IT'S NOT A DOABLE SITUATION. SO WE UNDERSTAND WE'RE, YOU KNOW, JUST I KNOW IT'S HARD TO BE PATIENT AT THIS MOMENT BECAUSE YOU'RE SEEING YOUR CASH REGISTERS NOT RINGING, BUT WE'RE WORKING WITH YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND. GOOD. YEAH. SO I MET WITH MR. JOE OVER AT THE AT THE LOCATION AND REALLY SORT OF LOOKED AT ALL THE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS. SO IT WAS VERY INTERESTING TO ME THAT YOU HAVE TALKED ABOUT GLEN'S TIRE IN THIS BUSINESS. THESE WERE THE TWO OF THE PRIMARY BUSINESSES THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR SUCH A LONG TIME, BUT YET IT SEEMS LIKE THEY DIDN'T REALLY TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, I MEAN, THE TURNOUT. ROOSEVELT, WHEN HE POINTED THAT OUT, BUT NOT AT AT HOAG WAS VERY INTERESTING. BUT HE ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE EXTRA USAGE OF HOAG ROAD. THAT'S HAPPENING NOW, AND IT'S GOING TO COME UP A LITTLE BIT LATER ON IN OUR AGENDA. BUT NOW THAT ROAD, THE BIGGER VEHICLES ARE GOING DOWN AND HAVING TO FIND THEIR WAY BACK TO US ONE ANOTHER WAY. SO, SO IT'S A LOT OF CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN POINTED OUT ABOUT THIS, BUT I THINK THERE'S A BIGGER PICTURE THAT, AS MISS HALEY TALKED ABOUT, WHERE WE NEED AT THE TPO MEETING, FDOT, THAT WE REALLY NEED TO SEE IF THERE'S A WAY TO MAKE ADDRESS. BUT THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN OVERNIGHT WITH THIS NOW, BECAUSE A LOT OF THIS IS BEING PUT IN PLACE CURRENTLY. SO, YOU KNOW, SO NO PROMISES TO BE MADE. BUT BUT WE DO NEED TO ADDRESS. WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING WITH YOU. WE REALLY DO. WE, I, I AS A BUSINESS OWNER PREFERS TO BE ON BUSINESS OWNER. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE GOING THROUGH AND YOU KNOW THAT I'VE MADE PHONE CALLS AND I'VE DEALT WITH YOU GUYS AND, AND DEALING WITH THEM. SO BUT I'M STILL MAKING THE PHONE CALLS. ALL RIGHT. SO LIKE I SAID, IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. AND THERE WAS AN OLDER COUNCIL MEMBER SAID, WELL, IT'S JUST BRICKS. WE CAN JUST TAKE THEM UP. BUT I WISH WE COULD FOR YOU. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. AND WE'LL ASK FOR MR. NEWMAN TO BE IN CONTACT WITH YOU. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, HELEN BOLTZ, FOLLOWED BY BRUCE HUG. OR SHOULD I SAY COUNCILWOMAN? WEST MELBOURNE COUNCILWOMAN HELEN VOTES. I REALLY DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT TO SAY. I CAME HERE TO SUPPORT VICKI AND THAT ISSUE. HOWEVER, I DID MAKE MULTIPLE PHONE CALLS TO JUST ABOUT EVERYBODY, BUT ALMOST EVERYBODY HAD ALL THEIR VOICEMAILS, WERE FULL AND COULD NOT LEAVE A MESSAGE. SO IF YOU COULD JUST KIND OF CHECK YOUR VOICEMAILS AND EMPTY THEM OUT SO WE COULD LEAVE MESSAGES NOW, NOW, HELEN, I CALLED YOU BACK. YOU DID? YES YOU DID. YES YOU DID. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. WE GOT TWO SPOTS UP HERE. IF YOU WANT TO STAY TONIGHT, MISS [00:40:02] VOTES, YOU'RE LIKE, NO WAY. A BRUTE BUG. HOW YOU DOING, MR. BUGS? HOW YOU BEEN? GOOD, GOOD, GOOD. YEAH. GOOD EVENING. BRUCE BUGS. WE HAVE A BUSINESS AT 2701 SOUTH HARBOR CITY BOULEVARD. GOOD EVENING TO THE MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL. I DON'T WANT TO BE REDUNDANT. WON'T TAKE UP MUCH TIME. BUT I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON THE BEHALF OF JOE AND THE. THEY'RE THE OWNERS OF THE MARATHON GAS STATION, AND WE, THROUGH OUR SUPPORTERS OF THAT GAS STATION. AND WE UTILIZE THAT STATION NOT ONLY FOR GETTING GAS, BUT FOR GETTING QUICK BAGS OF POTATO CHIPS AND ALL OTHER KIND OF GOODIES FOR THE KIDS AND GRANTS. BUT IT IS RIGHT DOWN THE STREET AND IT IS CAUSING A LOT OF BIKE TRAFFIC ON THE BIKE ROADS, AS YOU KNOW, WHICH I'M SURE YOU PROBABLY HAVE HEARD FROM SOME OF THE RESIDENTS BACK THERE. BUT IT'S, IT'S JUST VERY DIFFICULT. LIKE THEY SAID, FOR THE TRAFFIC, THE TRUCKS AND ALL OF THOSE. WHEN WE COME FROM THE FUNERAL HOME TO GO SOUTH, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE WE CAN'T TURN IN THERE LIKE THEY'RE SAYING, WE HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO TUCKER'S AND MAKE THE U-TURN. BUT WE APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT ALL OF YOU ALL ARE DOING TO TO HELP ALLEVIATE THE PROBLEM AND WHATEVER CAN BE DONE TO ASSIST THE MARATHON OWNERS AND ALSO GLENN'S TIRE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S REALLY TOUGH FOR THEM AS WELL. BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH, MA'AM. OKAY, SO IF YOU'RE GOING OUT OF YOUR BUSINESS AND YOU'RE GOING SOUTHBOUND, SO YOU HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY UP TO, YOU HAVE TO TAKE THE PEOPLE IF THEY'RE I'M ASSUMING THEY'RE FOLLOWING YOU IN THE HEARSE, YOU HAVE TO TAKE THEM A BLOCK UP THE ROAD TO DO THE TURN. YES, MA'AM. WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING FOR THE SAFETY OF PEOPLE, WE'VE BEEN GOING DOWN THE BACK ROADS, RIVERSIDE, AND BRINGING PEOPLE BACK UP THROUGH THE PARK. YOU GOT TO GO TO TALKING TO YOU. WE HAVE YOUR NUMBER HERE. I'LL BE TALKING TO YOU SO THAT I CAN TALK TO F DOT, IF YOU DON'T MIND. OKAY. YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE TO GO DOWN RESIDENTIAL AREAS. THAT'S NOT A SAFE. THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT GOOD FOR RESIDENTIAL LOCATION. AND I DON'T THINK THE I DON'T THINK THE RESIDENTS DOWN HAVE BEEN TOO HAPPY WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, AND IF WE'RE GOING SOUTH, WE GO DOWN RIVERVIEW BACK TO SOUTH WAY AND GO BACK AROUND AND COME BACK TO UNIVERSITY. AND SOMETIMES WE LEAVE THE FUNERAL. LEAVE ON A FUNERAL PROCESSION, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT HAVE 30, 40, 50 CARS, YOU KNOW, SO. GO AHEAD. I THOUGHT DURING THE PUBLIC WORKSHOPS AND THE PUBLIC OUTREACH, I THOUGHT THAT THE MEDIAN CUT RIGHT ACROSS FROM BUG'S FUNERAL HOME. I THOUGHT THAT WAS THAT WAS CONVERTED TO ALLOW AND THAT THAT THAT MEDIAN WAS ELIMINATED. AND THAT ALSO DOT PROMISED THAT THEY WOULD EVALUATE THAT FOR A TRAFFIC SIGNAL ONCE THE PROJECT WAS DONE. SO IS WHAT HAPPENING NOW JUST BECAUSE CONSTRUCTION IS UNDERWAY AND I MAY I DON'T HAVE A SET OF THOSE PLANS IN FRONT OF ME, BUT I THOUGHT WE BECAUSE YOU YOU WERE VOCAL DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION OF THE PROJECT, AND SO I THOUGHT THAT DOT DID LOOK AT THE MEDIANS THERE AND CHANGE THE CONFIGURATION AT THAT LOCATION. AND THEY DID. AND THAT'S A BIG PLUS. BUT THE, THE PROBLEM IS, IS WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO BRING 30, 40, 50 CARS OUT OF THERE IN A FUNERAL PROCESSION, OFFICER BRETT, I BELIEVE, IS HIS NAME THAT'S WORKING TONIGHT OUT FRONT HERE. HE CAME BY A FEW DAYS AGO JUST TO VISIT TO SEE WHAT THEY COULD DO, BECAUSE WHAT WE WOULD DO, WE WOULD CALL MELBOURNE PD TO ASK THEM TO BE ABLE TO JUST HELP US TO BE ABLE TO GET TRAFFIC OUT ONTO US, ONE TO GO SOUTH. AND OF COURSE, WHEN THEY'RE AVAILABLE, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL COME. BUT UNLESS IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S SCHEDULED, YOU KNOW, FAR IN ADVANCE AND THE OFFICERS ARE AVAILABLE, YOU KNOW, OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S JUST TOO DANGEROUS TO TRY TO TAKE A PROCESSION OUT ON THE HIGHWAY, YOU KNOW? RIGHT. YEAH. WE'LL DEFINITELY BE LOOKING INTO THAT. I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FOR JENNY. JENNY, THIS ALL HAPPENED BEFORE I WAS ON COUNCIL AND EVEN MR. SMITH WAS ON COUNCIL. IS THERE ANY INFORMATION JUST SO I COULD LEARN MORE ABOUT THIS PROJECT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT KEVIN COULD PROVIDE ME? I JUST WANT TO KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHAT TO REQUEST FROM YOU ALL. I THOUGHT I'D ASK YOU. OKAY, WE CAN PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. I PROVIDED A LITTLE INFORMATION TODAY AROUND 2:00 THIS AFTERNOON ABOUT THE PROJECT AND THE THREE KEY COMPONENTS OF THE PROJECT. AND THIS VERY MUCH WAS DRIVEN BECAUSE THIS WAS A HIGH CRASH CORRIDOR. AND THE TPO IDENTIFIED IT AS SUCH, DID A SAFETY STUDY. AND THAT WAS THIS WAS THE RESULTS OF SOME OF THAT SAFETY STUDY. AND SO I THINK JUST NEAR THE INTERSECTION, THERE ARE 32 CRASHES ALONE IN LESS THAN A FIVE YEAR PERIOD, INCLUDING AT LEAST ONE FATALITY. SO THIS WAS VERY MUCH A SAFETY DRIVEN. SO THAT'S IN THIS EMAIL, [00:45:02] BUT I WILL TRY TO GET YOU SOME MORE OF THE BACKGROUND TO TALK ABOUT THE PUBLIC MEETINGS AND SOME OF THE ACCOMMODATIONS THAT WERE ALREADY. I SEE THAT RIGHT HERE. THAT'S MORE SO THE PUBLIC MEETINGS AND OUR COUNCIL DIRECTION, ANYTHING LIKE THAT THAT WE HAVE. I JUST BE CURIOUS TO RESEARCH ON THAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. OKAY, OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. LIKEWISE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. AT THE END OF PUBLIC COMMENTS OR ANYBODY ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS. OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM SEVEN ONE PRESENTATION PRESENTATION TO COUNCIL, THE ANNUAL COMPREHENSIVE FINANCIAL REPORT. GOOD EVENING. I'M CHRISTINE AND I'M THE AUDIT PARTNER WHO OVERSAW YOUR FINANCIAL STATEMENT. AUDIT. I'M JUST GOING TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF OVERVIEW. I'M NOT GOING TO READ ALL 200 PLUS PAGES TO YOU. THANK YOU. SO YOU DID RECEIVE A CLEAN, UNMODIFIED OPINION, WHICH IS THE OPINION THAT YOU DO WANT TO RECEIVE. IF YOU WERE JUST TRYING TO COMPARE LAST YEAR'S STATEMENTS TO THIS YEAR'S. JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE, YOU CREATED TWO NEW FUNDS THIS YEAR. SO YOUR GOLF COURSE FUND AND YOUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT WENT TO SPECIAL REVENUE FUNDS. SO THEY'RE NOW INCLUDED IN YOUR NON MAJOR FUNDS AND THEY'RE NOT IN THE GENERAL FUND ANYMORE. SO WHEN YOU SEE THE DECLINE IN REVENUE THAT'S BECAUSE IT WAS MOVED OUT TO ANOTHER FUND, NOT BECAUSE YOU ACTUALLY INCURRED LESS REVENUE AND YOUR GENERAL FUND, YOU DID HAVE AN INCREASE IN YOUR EXPENDITURES OVERALL, MOSTLY IN PUBLIC SAFETY FOR POLICE AND FIRE, ADDITIONAL SALARIES AND BENEFITS. YOU HAD MORE PEOPLE ON STAFF THIS YEAR THAN YOU DID THE PRIOR YEAR. YOU DID USE FUND BALANCE IN YOUR GENERAL FUND. MOST OF THAT WAS TRANSFERS INTO CAPITAL PROJECTS, FUNDS FOR FUTURE PROJECTS YOU'RE GOING TO DO. BUT OVERALL, FINANCIALLY TO HOW ARE WE DOING? ARE WE FINANCIALLY SOUND? ARE WE AT THE RISK OF BANKRUPTCY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? YOU HAVE 40 MILLION UNRESTRICTED IN YOUR GENERAL FUND, WHICH IS EQUIVALENT TO ABOUT FOUR AND A HALF MONTHS WORTH OF EXPENDITURES AND WHAT THE CITY USUALLY SPENDS IN THE GENERAL FUND. SO THE MINIMUM RECOMMENDED IS AT LEAST THREE MONTHS. HURRICANE COMES THROUGH. FEMA IS GOING TO TAKE AT LEAST A YEAR TO REIMBURSE YOU. SO YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THOSE EXTRA FUNDS ON HAND. SO YOU DO HAVE ABOVE THE MINIMUM THAT'S RECOMMENDED. SO YOU GUYS ARE DOING FINE IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU HAVE ON HAND. YOU DID HAVE TWO NEW ACCOUNTING STANDARDS THIS YEAR. SO ONE RELATED TO COMPENSATED ABSENCES. THE GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTING STANDARDS BOARD CAME MORE PRECISE IN HOW THEY WANT YOU TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT. SO THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE INCLUDES THE EMPLOYER PORTION OF FICA. AND THEN IF YOU HAVE ANY DEFINED CONTRIBUTIONS OF YOUR EMPLOYEES, PARTICIPATE IN THE DEFINED CONTRIBUTION PART OF FRS, YOU HAD TO ACCRUE THAT AS WELL. SO IT INCREASED YOUR COMPENSATED ABSENCES LIABILITY. AND THE OTHER ONE RELATED TO RISK DISCLOSURES. SO YOU HAVE A NEW FOOTNOTE IN THERE NOTING THAT CITY OF WEST MELBOURNE INTENDS TO HAVE THEIR OWN WATER SEWER SYSTEM. SO AFTER DECEMBER OF 26, THEY WILL NOT BE A CUSTOMER ANYMORE. IN TERMS OF FINANCIAL STATEMENT FINDINGS, WE HAD NOTHING RELATED TO THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS THEMSELVES. WE ALSO DO A SINGLE AUDIT. SO THAT LOOKS AT COMPLIANCE WITH YOUR GRANTS. WE HAD TWO RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THAT. ONE WAS THE AIRPORT. THEY HAD SOMEONE OUT ON LEAVE AND THEY MISSED FILING ONE OF THEIR QUARTERLY REPORTS. THE OTHER ONE WAS FOR THE SAFER GRANT. SO THE BEFORE THE REIMBURSEMENTS WERE SENT OFF, THEY WERE NOT REVIEWED. AND SO FOR EVERYTHING, YOU HAVE COMPLIANCE AND YOU HAVE TO TEST THE CONTROL FOR THE GRANTS. SO SINCE THERE WAS NO REVIEW, THAT'S A FINDING. MANAGEMENT WENT BACK AND REVIEWED ALL THE REPORTS. OVERTIME IS NOT ALLOWED FOR THAT GRANT AND THAT WASN'T INCLUDED. BUT THE FRINGE THAT RELATES TO THE OVERTIME WAS. SO ON THE NEXT REIMBURSEMENT REQUEST, THEY'RE GOING TO DEDUCT THAT FROM THE REIMBURSEMENT TO TRUE IT BACK UP. SO IN ADDITION TO ALL THAT, WE ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT YOUR C ARRAYS AND DO EXAMINATIONS. AND THEY WERE ALL IN COMPLIANCE WITH YOUR C ARRAY PLANS. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING I CAN ANSWER NOW. SO YOU'D SAY THUMB UP OR THUMB DOWN. THUMBS UP. I KIND OF THUMBED IT UP. ALL RIGHT. NOW. SO THAT'S SEPARATE. THAT'S NEXT. I MEAN THEY ALSO HAD UNMODIFIED OPINIONS. SO THEY'RE IN THE FULL ACFR. BUT THE STATE REQUIRES THAT YOU ALSO PRODUCE SEPARATE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS FOR THEM TO BE UPLOADED. BUT THERE'S NOTHING DIFFERENT IN THE C R A INDIVIDUAL FINANCIALS AS THERE IS IN THE AFR. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THUMBS UP. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE YOU. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO SEVEN TWO PRESENTATION REGARDING ASSET MAPPING. ALL RIGHT WE GOT THIS. WE'RE A WHOLE CREW. THERE WE GO. THERE WE GO, THERE WE GO. THERE [00:50:03] WE GO BUDDY. GOOD EVENING Y'ALL. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING US HERE TONIGHT. MY NAME IS MEGAN STARNES. I AM THE CLIENT SERVICES DIRECTOR AT LOVE INC. LOVE IN THE NAME OF CHRIST. I AM NOT KRISTY STEWART, AS YOU CAN TELL, NOT TALL AND BLOND THOUGH SHE'S GONE BROWN NOW. SHE IS AT A BOARD MEETING TONIGHT FOR OUR ORGANIZATION, WHICH I'M THANKFUL FOR BECAUSE WE NEED THE GOOD BOARD MEETINGS. SO YOU GET ME, YOU GET ME. AND IN ALL OF OUR WONDERFUL FRIENDS THAT ARE HERE BEHIND ME AND BESIDE ME, THEY'RE AWESOME. AND WE'RE EXCITED, EXCITED TO SHARE WITH YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT'S BEEN WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING WITH ASSET MAPPING IN MELBOURNE. AND SO A LITTLE HISTORY BACK IN THE SUMMER WHEN THERE WAS A HOSTING OF A HOMELESS WORKSHOP, BREVARD HOMELESS COALITION, THEY REACHED OUT TO LOVE INC AND SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE HAVE THESE ASSET MAP MEETINGS HAPPENING IN TITUSVILLE AND IN COCOA. WE NEED TO HAVE ONE IN MELBOURNE. AND WE'RE LIKE, YEAH, WE NEED TO HAVE ONE IN MELBOURNE. LET'S DO THAT. AND SO LOVE INC, WE GOT CONNECTED WITH MARCUS SMITH, WHO'S AWESOME, AND THAT MAN OVER THERE. AND AND IT'S BEEN A IT'S BEEN A REAL HUGE BLESSING COMING TOGETHER. AND SO, SO SOME OF OUR FRIENDS HERE, WE HAVE BEEN MEETING SINCE AUGUST AND IT'S BEEN REALLY, REALLY COOL, REALLY JUST BUILDING RELATIONSHIP WITH EACH OTHER, SEEING WHAT, WHAT SERVICES ARE WE OFFERING? SO WE'RE NOT DUPLICATING EFFORTS, BUT HOW CAN WE COME TOGETHER? WHAT SERVICES ARE WE DOING? WHAT SERVICES IS AMY DOING? WHAT SERVICES IS BUDDY DOING? AND, AND SO BRINGING THOSE SERVICES TOGETHER AND SEEING WHERE THE GAPS ARE IN OUR CITY AND IN OUR COMMUNITY AND FINDING THOSE GAPS AND THINKING, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE CAN WORK TOGETHER TO FILL THESE GAPS. WE'RE BETTER TOGETHER THAN WE ARE APART. SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THAT. A FEW OF THE FOLKS THAT ARE WITH US, THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN COMING TO THESE MEETINGS OR NONPROFITS, AGENCIES, GOVERNMENT, MUNICIPALITIES, BUSINESSES, WE TYPICALLY HAVE AROUND 25 TO 30 PEOPLE COMING A MONTH, WHICH IS REALLY FUN. AND WE'VE BEEN MEETING AT DIFFERENT LOCATIONS EVERY MONTH TO SEE ONE ANOTHER'S SPACE. SO WE'VE BEEN WE'VE BEEN AT NEW LIFE MISSION, WE'VE BEEN AT HELEN'S HOUSE, WE'VE BEEN AT WAYS FOR LIFE. GOSH, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE OTHERS Y'ALL? THE CHURCH? YES. MELBOURNE, FIRST CHURCH OF THE NAZARENE, WINGS OF GRACE. WE'VE BEEN ALL OVER. ALL OVER THE PLACE, BUT WE'VE BEEN HAVING FUN. LIKE GO INTO EACH OTHER'S SPACES AND GETTING TO KNOW ONE ANOTHER A LITTLE MORE. NEXT MONTH WILL BE AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHICH WILL BE REALLY COOL TO BE WITH THEM, SEE HOW WE CAN GET MORE CONNECTED. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON, AS WELL AS A COLLABORATIVE IS CREATING SUBCOMMITTEES. SO YOU GUYS KNOW WHEN YOU ALL GET TOGETHER, THERE'S LIKE THESE KIND OF BIGGER BEARS THAT WE GOT TO TACKLE. WELL, SOME OF THOSE BIGGER BEARS THAT WE'RE WANTING TO TACKLE IN SUBCOMMITTEES HAVE BEEN THE HOMELESS SHELTERS, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND THE WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS REALLY SWEET, RIGHT? THOSE THINGS NEED TO BE TACKLED. SO WE'RE LOOKING TO DO THAT, CREATING THESE SUBCOMMITTEES. AND SO SOMETHING THAT WE'VE NOTICED, AND I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL NOTICED THIS TOO, BUT WHAT WE'VE NOTICED THAT'S BEEN A GAP FOR US HAS BEEN VOLUNTEERS NEEDING FOLKS TO COME INTO AND BE A PART OF THESE SPACES THAT HAVE SKILLS AND TALENTS AND GIFTINGS AND TO BE A PART OF THIS GOOD WORK IN THE CITY. SO WHAT WE'VE DECIDED TO DO, OUR FIRST EVER PILOT IS TO HOST A VOLUNTEER EXPO IN APRIL. WE WANT TO GET THE SNOWBIRDS BEFORE THEY FLY AWAY, YOU KNOW, BACK UP NORTH, CAPTURE THEM BEFORE THEY GET THERE. AND WE'RE HOPING TO DO THIS AT THE EAU GALLIE CIVIC CENTER ON APRIL 16TH FROM 3 P.M. THROUGH 6 P.M. AND THEN THE NEXT DAY ON APRIL 17TH FROM 10 A.M. THROUGH 2 P.M. AND AND THE GOAL OF THIS IS REALLY TO GET THE FOLKS IN OUR COMMUNITY IN THIS INCREDIBLE CITY THAT HAVE SKILLS, TALENTS, GIFTINGS, BRING THEM IN, GET THEM CONNECTED WITH THE RIGHT ORGANIZATION THAT THAT THEY CAN USE THEIR SKILLS IN AND TO BETTER OUR CITY, WHICH IS WHAT WE WANT. SO OUR, OUR ASK, OUR GENTLE ASK FOR Y'ALL TONIGHT IS THAT YOU WOULD WAIVE THE FEE FOR US TO BE AT EAU GALLIE CIVIC CENTER IN SUPPORT OF WHAT WE'RE DOING FOR THE CITY. AND IT WOULD BE AWESOME IF YOU IF YOU COULD DO THAT. BUT YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHO WE ARE. THAT'S WHO WE ARE. AND DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, GIRL? I GUESS I HAD YOUR ENERGY. YOU [00:55:10] GOT IT GIRL. YOU GOT IT. PASS IT ON. GOOD. GOOD SIR. THANK YOU MEGAN. GREAT. YEAH. LOTS OF ENERGY. AND THANK YOU TO ALL OF YOU, ALL THE NONPROFITS FOR ATTENDING. SO, SO JUST TO KIND OF PUT A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT SPIN ON IT. SO REMEMBER FROM FEBRUARY 18TH, WE HAD THE HOMELESSNESS WORKSHOP. AND FROM THAT MEETING WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO SEE AS A CITY, THE CITY HAS ALREADY DONE A LOT OF GOOD THINGS SUPPORTING DAILY BREAD, SUPPORTING A LOT OF DIFFERENT INITIATIVES. BUT ALSO FROM THAT MEETING, THERE WAS A CHALLENGE TO SAY, LET'S GO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT ASSET MAPPING AND THAT TASK. MAYOR, YOU, YOU SORT OF ASKED ME TO TO CHAIR THAT. AND SO THIS IS THE RESULT FROM THAT. WE HAD OUR FIRST MEETING AS A NONPROFIT COLLABORATIVE, I THINK, AROUND THAT JULY. AND NOW HERE WE ARE COMING AROUND TO SAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO ASK TO HAVE A VOLUNTEER EXPO. SO I JUST THINK THAT WHEN WHEN COMMUNITY COMES TOGETHER AND NONPROFITS COME TOGETHER, AND OUR LAST MEETING, WE EVEN DECIDED ON A NAME AND THERE'S THINGS THAT ARE STILL BEING WORKED OUT WITH THAT. BUT THE MELBOURNE RESOURCES COLLABORATIVE. YEAH. SO I, I SUPPORT THE ASK THAT THEY'RE ASKING AS FAR AS WAIVING THE COST TO USE THE EAU GALLIE CIVIC CENTER. AND I ALSO WANTED YOU ALL TO HEAR THIS. SO THAT WAY AS A, AS A COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAD ANY QUESTIONS OR ANY MORE GUIDANCE TO, TO ME OR TO THE, TO THESE WONDERFUL NONPROFITS THAT ARE DOING THIS AWESOME WORK, WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION HERE. OKAY. GO AHEAD. SIR. I'M NOT AGAINST I'M JUST CURIOUS, WHAT IS THE COST THAT THEY'RE ASKING US TO WAIVE? LIKE, HOW MUCH IS THAT? I DON'T HAVE A DIRECT DOLLAR VALUE IN FRONT OF ME. HOWEVER, I HAVE SPOKEN TO NIKKI ABOUT THIS AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE WAIVED FOR OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT IS FOR PUBLIC, NOT FOR PROFIT. IN FACT, WE'VE WAIVED IT FOR THE DAV BEFORE TO HAVE SOME OF THEIR LARGER FUNCTIONS AT THE EAU GALLIE CIVIC CENTER. SO, SO DO WE HAVE A CONSENSUS OF THE COUNCIL THAT WE WAIVE THE FEES ARE WAIVED? YEAH, WE HAD A UNANIMOUS SUPPORT. NOT AND SO COOL. THANK YOU. AND I AND I WILL SAY I WILL SAY THAT THAT IT DEFINITELY IT'S VERY IT'S IT'S GREAT TO SEE EVERYONE UP HERE. I REMEMBER A FEW YEARS AGO, YOU REMEMBER BUDDY, WHEN, WHEN, WHEN WE NEEDED COLD WEATHER SHELTER. AND YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GOT WHEN EVERYBODY CAME TOGETHER AND, YOU KNOW, WE, I ACTUALLY LEARNED WHAT, WHAT REALLY YOU COULD DO WHEN YOU SEE, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY COME TOGETHER AND WORK TOGETHER. SO I THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT STEP FOR MELBOURNE. YOU KNOW, WE'RE HONORED TO HAVE PEOPLE LIKE YOURSELF AND YOUR ENERGY. YOU KNOW, I WILL SAY, BUDDY, YOUR SON, YOU NEED TO TELL BRIAN THAT HE NEEDS THIS ENERGY IN THE GYM. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. WE WON'T GO THERE, BUT WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT LATER. OKAY. BUT BUT YEAH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR WHAT YOU DO. AND I'M, I'M, I'M HONORED TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT WHATEVER WE CAN GET DONE HERE. OKAY. THANK YOU GUYS. THANK YOU. Y'ALL ARE AWESOME. THANK YOU. [8. Ordinance No. 2026-10, Wholeness to Freedom School: (Second Reading/Public Hearing) Conditional Use request to allow a vocational school in C-R-1A (Single Family Low Density Residential with a Conditional Use to allow a church and school) on a 0.75± acre portion of an overall 3.49± acre property with site plan approval to renovate existing buildings accessory to the church into a vocational school on the overall 3.49± acre property, zoned C-R-1A (Single Family Low Density Residential with a Conditional Use to allow a church and school) and C-1 (Neighborhood Commercial District) located on the south side of Aurora Road, east and west of Ferndale Avenue, west of League Avenue (1619 Ferndale Avenue). (Owner - James Begley, Wholeness to Freedom Ministries, Inc.) (Applicant/Representative - Jake Wise P.E., Construction Engineering Group) (P&Z Board - 2/19/2026) (First Reading - 3/10/2026)] ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. ORDINANCE NUMBER 2026 TEN. THANK YOU. THIS IS THIS ORDINANCE. ARE WE ON? THANK YOU. THIS IS ORDINANCE NUMBER 2026 TEN, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA AMENDING THE ZONING MAP AS IT RELATES TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE NUMBER 2005 120 BY GRANTING A CONDITIONAL USE TO ALLOW FOR SCHOOL ON A 0.75 PLUS OR MINUS ACRE PORTION OF AN OVERALL 3.49 PLUS MINUS ACRE PROPERTY ZONED CR1, A SINGLE FAMILY LOW DENSITY LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF AURORA ROAD, EAST AND WEST OF FERNDALE AVENUE AND WEST OF LEAGUE AVENUE, 1619 FERNDALE AVENUE, PROVIDING FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL. PROVIDING FOR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL PROVIDING THAT THE CONDITIONAL USE GRANTED HEREIN MAY BE REVOKED BY CITY COUNCIL IF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL ARE NOT MET, PROVIDING THAT THE PROPERTY SHALL BE DESIGNATED ON THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP BY THE SYMBOLS C, R1A, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND PROVIDING AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE. THIS IS C U 2023 0009 PLAN. 2020 400 11 OKAY. THANK YOU. REPORTING ON THIS, MISS DITTMER. YES, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER TO ADD THIS EVENING ON SECOND READING. ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS? GOOD. SO MISS DITTMER, SO I WAS LOOKING THROUGH WHEN I WAS REFLECTING ON THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD LAST MEETING, AND THEN I WAS LOOKING THROUGH IT. I LOVE THE IDEA OF THIS CHRISTIAN SCHOOL. FIRST OF ALL, I LIKE THE IDEA. I LIKE THE CONCEPT OF IT, THE ONE PORTION OF IT THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M LOOKING AT FOR. THE CONDITIONAL USE PORTION, THOUGH, IS THIS THIS DORMITORY PORTION? BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT STUDENTS MAY NOT START SCHOOL FOR MAYBE SIX MONTHS, ONE YEAR, TWO YEARS. THEY'RE [01:00:02] COMING FROM CIRCLES OF CARE AND THEY'RE RIGHT NEXT TO A NEIGHBORHOOD. AND SO SOME NEIGHBORS MAY HAVE THE IMPRESSION THAT THIS MIGHT NOT 100% BE A TRADITIONAL SCHOOL FORMAT THAT YOU WOULD THINK OF A UNIVERSITY WHERE, YOU KNOW, STUDENTS GO IN AND THEY HAVE TO PAY A TUITION, MUST BE IN UNIVERSITY WHILE THEY'RE IN SCHOOL. IT'S NOT SEPARATED ALMOST WHERE YOU WAIT TO START YOUR CLASSES FOR A YEAR OR TWO. ARE THERE ANY WAYS THAT WE CAN ENSURE IN THE CONDITIONAL USE THAT IF THERE'S ANY SORT OF ISSUES WITH THE DORMITORY PORTION, THAT WE CAN REVISIT THIS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? BECAUSE I NOTICED MOST OF IT IS ABOUT THE VOCATIONAL SCHOOL PORTION AND JUST THE THE ENGINEERING AND SITE PLAN PIECE, RIGHT? THE CONDITIONAL USES FOR THE SCHOOL USE AND A SCHOOL WITHIN OUR ZONING CODE. A DORMITORY IS AN ACCESSORY USE TO A SCHOOL, RIGHT? SO THAT'S SORT OF THE CORRELATION. IF THERE WERE, YOU KNOW, ANY ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS THAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO ADD REGARDING, YOU KNOW, THE DORMITORY, I THINK THAT'S CAN BE PART OF THE CONVERSATION THAT COUNCIL WOULD HAVE OFFHAND. NOT SURE WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT CONDITIONS THAT MIGHT BE. SURE. RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO SEE IF THAT WAS EVEN POSSIBLE, BECAUSE I JUST DON'T WANT THIS COUNCIL OR FUTURE COUNCIL TO HAVE A. WE WE GOT TORE UP AND DOWN LEFT AND RIGHT ON FEE AVENUE WITH DAILY BREAD. WE JUST GOT THROUGH THAT ABOUT A YEAR AGO. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE AND I DON'T KNOW IF COUNCIL HAD THAT CONSIDERATION OR THOUGHT ABOUT THIS WHEN THEY WERE GOING THROUGH IT. IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S A NON-ACCREDITED SCHOOL, BUT THEY ARE GOING TO BE HOSTING SERVICES FOR FOLKS WHO ARE COMING OUT OF TOUGH SITUATIONS, BUT THAT COULD ALSO BE CONSTRUED AS A HOMELESS PROGRAM TO SOME DEGREE, GETTING THEM ON THEIR FEET, WHICH IS GREAT. BUT I THINK WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING BY THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE RIGHT BEHIND THE BUILDING AND THE PARK THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO IT. THAT'S CITY OWNED. WELL, I'D LIKE TO SAY, THOUGH, MR. NEWMAN, GROWING UP IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, GOING TO O'GALLEY, THERE'S ACTUALLY A COUPLE DIFFERENT PLACES THERE THAT IS DOING A SIMILAR MISSION AND THERE'S NO ISSUES WHATSOEVER. AND, YOU KNOW, I ON AURORA, I MEAN, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, THE OLD THE, THE OLD HACIENDA GIRLS RANCH, WHAT IT, WHAT, WHAT IT TURNED INTO AND EVOLVED TO. IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST AMAZING. SO I HAVE NO CONCERN WHATSOEVER, ESPECIALLY KNOWING THE LAYOUT THERE. OF COURSE, THE DOG PARK THAT WE BUILT RIGHT THERE. THAT'S COOL. BUT, BUT I HAVE NO ISSUES BECAUSE I MEAN, THE WAY IT FACES EAST AND YOU KNOW, AT LEAST THE RESIDENTIAL AREA, THERE IS A FENCE AND YOU CAN CUT THROUGH THE FENCE, BUT IT REALLY DOESN'T HAVE ANY KIND OF BEARING WHATSOEVER, IN MY OPINION, WITH WITH THIS. I DON'T, I DON'T, I'M FULLY COMFORTABLE WITH THIS. THE, THE, THE ORGANIZATION THAT'S RUNNING IT HAS A TRACK RECORD. THERE IS NO ISSUES. AND, AND I THINK IF THERE WAS AN ISSUE, OF COURSE THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD ADDRESS IT. SO HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? 17 PEOPLE AT THE TIME. YES. THAT'S THAT'S IN THAT'S LIVING IN THE DORMITORY. I BELIEVE THAT'S THE RIGHT NUMBER. OKAY. SO YOU'RE HAVING 17. IS IT 17 STUDENTS OR IS IT 17 PEOPLE WITH I'M ASSUMING YOU HAVE AN RA THERE THAT CAN HANDLE ANY. I WE HAVE WE HAVE A COUPLE SPEAKERS. DO WE WANT TO KIND OF GET TO COME UP BECAUSE YOU SPOKE LAST WEEK. YOU HAVE IS IT 17 PEOPLE IF I REMEMBER RIGHT. HOLD ON ONE SECOND. SO 17 STUDENTS. JUST TO CLARIFY, IT'S FOR 26 SINGLE WOMEN. HOLD ON, HOLD ON ONE SECOND. ARE WE DONE ASKING CINDY? I MEAN, I WAS JUST GOING TO REFERENCE WHAT WAS IN THE STAFF REPORT. I'LL CALL UP THE SPEAKERS. I MEAN, WE WANT TO WE WANT TO KEEP THE QUORUM HERE, BUT ANY ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR. I WAS JUST GOING TO CLARIFY WHAT WAS IN THE STAFF REPORT IS THAT IT'S 18 DORM ROOMS THAT FOR 17 STUDENTS AND ONE RESIDENT ASSISTANT. YEAH. SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THERE? SO WE'RE NOT TALKING A LARGE. OH, AND HOW ABOUT NOW IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, YOU CAN HAVE THEIR CHILDREN WITH THEM, CORRECT OR NOT. SO FOR THE JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, MAYOR, IF I HOLD UP, HOLD UP, HOLD UP. I WOULD SUGGEST IF ANYONE'S GOING TO SPEAK, WE WOULD GET THE NAME ON THE RECORD. SO YEAH, HOLD ON. FOLLOW PROCEDURE. HOLD ON ONE SECOND. HOLD ON ONE SECOND. WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS WE'RE GOING TO SPEAK AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO TO PUBLIC SPEAKERS. I THINK THAT'S GOING TO ANSWER A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS BECAUSE I WANT TO KEEP THE DECORUM ON HERE REAL QUICK. SUSAN WE HAVE SUSAN BAGLEY YES. BEVERLY SQUIRE WAGON AND THEN STEFAN HARTMAN. WHO ARE THOSE THREE? WE ARE HERE. WE ARE HERE. SO YOU'RE ALL HERE. I'M SUSAN BEGLEY. HOW ABOUT THIS? YOU GO FIRST. OKAY. GO AHEAD. SO FOR THE DORMITORIES, THE TOP FLOOR IS THE THREE STORY BUILDING, AND THE TOP FLOOR HAS EIGHT ROOMS FOR SINGLE WOMEN. AND [01:05:02] EACH ROOM WOULD HAVE TWO. SO THERE'S 16 PLACES FOR SINGLE WOMEN ON THE TOP FLOOR. ON THE SECOND FLOOR, THERE'S EIGHT ROOMS. AND EACH ONE WOULD HAVE A LADY WITH CHILDREN. SO THERE WOULD BE EIGHT LADIES. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, 2 TO 3 CHILDREN, ONE CHILD, ONE CHILD. SO IT WOULD VARY. SO IT'S HARD TO GIVE, YOU KNOW, HOW A NUMBER OF THE CHILDREN THAT WOULD BE THERE, IF IT WAS MORE THAN TWO CHILDREN, WE WOULD OPEN UP THE TWO ROOMS SO THAT. THAT WOULD ELIMINATE. SO THERE WOULD BE SEVEN WOMEN SO THAT THEY ARE YOU. SO THERE'S 26, RIGHT. OKAY. BEDS. ARE WE WITHIN STATE CODE WITH THAT TO HAVING THE CHILDREN THAT THAT'S A BIG ISSUE BECAUSE I KNOW WE WE'VE SEEN SOME THINGS IN THE NEWS LATELY ABOUT CHILDREN'S BEDROOMS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO I'M JUST WONDERING IF THE CHILDREN HAVE TO HAVE THEIR OWN SEPARATE ROOM FROM THEIR PARENT OR ARE THEY? I DON'T KNOW THE RULES ON THAT, EXACTLY HOW THE RULES ARE WITH THAT. SO THAT'S THAT'S A I MEAN, CINDY DID THAT. WE PASS THAT ONE WITH THE CITY, WITH THE STATE RULES. IF THEY HAVE CHILDREN IN THE ROOM, THEY'LL HAVE TO OBTAIN BUILDING PERMITS AND MEET FLORIDA BUILDING CODE AND LIFE SAFETY. THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT. OKAY. THAT'S THERE. THAT'S ANOTHER SITUATION. OKAY, SO I'M JUST ASKING. I THOUGHT WE HAD TO MAKE SURE THAT SO WE'RE NOT GETTING COMING BACK AND YOU'RE GETTING FINED AND EVERYTHING ELSE. NOBODY WANTS TO DO ANY OF THAT STUFF. NOT AT ALL. MY ONLY QUESTION IS, IS THAT BEING THAT I'VE HAD SOME MAJOR EDUCATION IS AND YOU'RE HAVING THESE CLASSES, BUT THEY'RE NOT REALLY ANY CERTIFIED CLASSES. ARE THE PEOPLE ABLE ARE YOU GOING TO BRING IN ANYBODY TO DO SPECIAL, SPECIAL TEACHERS TO DOING CERTIFIED CLASSES? ABSOLUTELY. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A HOUSE AND WE'RE LIMITED. WE ONLY HAVE A FEW LADIES, SO WE'RE NOT ABLE TO IMPLEMENT OUR FULL PROGRAM. BUT WHEN THE FULL PROGRAM IS UP AND RUNNING. ABSOLUTELY. AND WE ALSO HAVE THERE'S FIVE COUNSELORS AND WE ARE ALL EDUCATORS. I TAUGHT IN THE PUBLIC SCHOOL FOR EIGHT YEARS, AND SO I'VE WRITTEN CURRICULUM AND ALL OF THE CURRICULUM THAT IS PRESENTED IS TRAUMA INFORMED, AND IT IS GEARED TO SOLIDIFY RELATIONSHIP SKILLS AND EMOTIONAL INTELLIGENCE. THAT'S A REAL BUZZWORD RIGHT NOW, EMOTIONAL INTELLIGENCE. BUT REALLY, THE STUDIES SHOW YOU THAT SOMEBODY WITH A HIGH IQ AND A LOW, LOWER EMOTIONAL INTELLIGENCE IS LESS EFFECTIVE IN THE WORKFORCE AND IN LIFE SITUATIONS THAN SOMEBODY WITH A HIGHER EMOTIONAL INTELLIGENCE AND A LOWER IQ. SO WHAT WE'RE WHAT WE'VE SEEN AND WHAT WE'VE UNDERSTOOD IS THAT A LOT OF TIMES LADIES WILL GO INTO WORK AND THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO ENGAGE. THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THEIR EMOTIONS, THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO ENGAGE WITH THEIR BOSSES OR WITH THEIR PEERS IN WORK. AND THEY OFTENTIMES LOSE THEIR JOB BECAUSE OF THINGS. WE HAVE A PERSON THAT WE WORKING WITH THAT HAD A STRUGGLE IN THE JOB THAT THEY HAVE. AND WE, WE WORK WITH THE EMPLOYER AND THINGS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SETTLE. AND SHE'S LEARNING AND GROWING IN THAT AREA. SO I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT PIECE. IT'S NOT A TRADITIONAL SCHOOL FOR SURE, RIGHT? IT'S NOT TRADITIONAL. HOWEVER, AS AN EDUCATOR, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE WHAT ARE WE TEACHING? WHAT IS IT THAT THEY NEED TO LEARN TO BE SUCCESSFUL, NOT JUST IN THEIR PERSONAL LIFE AND IN HEALING, BUT IN THEIR COMMUNITY? THE ONLY THING IS I HAVE IS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES, THE WAY YOU'RE TALKING. AND IS THERE ANYBODY THAT'S CERTIFIED IN MENTAL HEALTH THAT YOU'RE WORKING WITH IN THE IN YOUR ORGANIZATION? YES, WE HAVE LICENSED MENTAL HEALTH COUNSELORS. I AM ONE OF THEM. I'M ALSO A QUALIFIED SUPERVISOR. OKAY. I MEAN, THAT THAT TO ME WAS A BIG I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS JUST SOMEBODY IN THE CHURCH. OH, NO, NO, I'VE SEEN THAT HAPPEN. AND THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT AND CAUSE PROBLEMS. WE HAVE FIVE [01:10:01] COUNSELORS. MY HUSBAND, JIM, IS A PASTORAL COUNSELOR AND HE'S CERTIFIED BOARD CERTIFIED WITH THE ARC. HE ALSO HAD INTENSIVE SCHOOLING WHEN HE WAS AT ASBURY COLLEGE, SO HE'S QUITE QUALIFIED. MYSELF, I HAVE A MY MASTER'S DEGREE IS IN MENTAL HEALTH COUNSELING. OKAY. AND WE HAVE A LICENSED COUNSELOR. HER NAME IS LAURA AND SHE DOES EMT WORK AND SHE'S ALSO TRAUMA INFORMED AND SHE'S LICENSED. AND WE HAVE AN INTERN THAT I'M SUPERVISING WHO'S GETTING HER LICENSE. SO AND WE HAVE A BIBLICAL COUNSELOR WHO GRADUATED FROM CHESAPEAKE BIBLE COLLEGE, WHICH IS A PART OF OUR SCHOOLING THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE THAT WANT TO TAKE THAT TRACK. AND IT IS ACCREDITED COLLEGE. OKAY, MAYOR, THANK YOU, MR. NEWMAN, AND JUST YOU'RE WELCOME. BUT WHAT I WANT TO SO AND AGAIN, YOU GUYS ARE HITTING ALL THE THINGS THAT I CARE ABOUT. I CARE ABOUT THIS CHURCH. I THINK IT'S FANTASTIC. I CARE ABOUT HELPING THESE WOMEN. NONPROFIT IS AN INDUSTRY THAT I'VE JUST BEEN IN ALL MY LIFE. AND THEN THIRDLY, I JUST THINK THAT SCHOOLING AND EDUCATION IS VITAL. REALLY. IT'S JUST THIS DORMITORY THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET TO THE BOTTOM OF AND UNDERSTAND REALLY THE UNDERSTANDING OF IT. SO AND I AND CINDY DID A GREAT, GREAT JOB READING WITH THIS. THERE'S 17 STUDENTS. THERE'S ONE RA THOSE WERE ALL UPSTAIRS, YOU SAID, AND THERE'S 27 ADULTS THAT COULD BE SLEEPING IN THIS THING. SO WHERE ARE THE OTHER NINE ADULTS? WHO ARE THEY? THERE'S 17 ADULTS ON THE TOP FLOOR, RIGHT. AND EIGHT ON THE SECOND FLOOR. AND WE HAVE. HANDICAPPED ON THE BOTTOM AND THE RA. BUT 17 ARE STUDENTS. SO WHO ARE THE OTHER EIGHT? NO, THERE WILL BE 20. SO THERE'S MORE THAN STUDENTS. SO THERE'S 26 STUDENTS. EVEN THOUGH THE THE APPLICATION HERE SAYS 17 STUDENTS. YEAH. I'M NOT SURE. SO THAT SO THAT'S NOT ACCURATE. I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT HAPPENED. YEAH. OKAY. SO BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE SOME OF THIS DISCREPANCY IS COMING IN ON WHERE, WHO, WHO ARE THESE FOLKS THAT ARE GOING TO BE IN HERE? SO YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S HOW MANY TOTAL STUDENTS? JUST SO I GOT THIS CLEAR, 26, 26 PLUS KIDS IN THE SECOND FLOOR WITH THE PARENTS. AND HOWEVER THAT WORKS, THAT'S BETWEEN YOU GUYS AND THE STATE. YOU GUYS CAN CAN GET ALL THAT. OKAY. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ALL I HAD. OKAY. GO AHEAD. SO, MARY, YOU BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT, WHICH IS YOU GOT HELEN'S HOUSE WAS NOT TOO FAR. YOU HAVE NEW LIFE MISSION. AND AND I DO WORK A LOT WITH THESE NON-PROFITS. SO I'M VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THE MODEL. I'VE BEEN TO SEE THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY AND TALK WITH BOTH THE PASTOR AND THE STAFF THERE. BUT THESE ARE ACTUALLY, THESE ARE GOOD QUESTIONS. BUT THE MODEL AS THE, AS THE MAYOR SAID, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE COMMUNITY, IT'S IT'S A MODEL THAT IS DIFFERENT, BUT YET REPEATED IN A SIMILAR FASHION WITH SOME OF THE OTHER NON-PROFITS THAT ARE DOING THIS. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE GETTING IT RIGHT. I MEAN, THAT'S THE THING. I MEAN, IF WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING SO THEY COULD CLARIFY ALL THIS, I THINK THAT'D BE APPROPRIATE. YEAH, YEAH. ALL RIGHT. MISS LIAM, I THINK SOME OF THE THE ISSUE HERE IS THAT WE SAID 18 DORM ROOMS, 17 FOR STUDENTS, ONE FOR THE RA. BUT AS IT WAS EXPLAINED TONIGHT THAT IN EIGHT OF THE ROOMS, THEY'RE SINGLE ROOMS THAT CAN HAVE OR THAT SINGLE WOMEN THAT CAN HAVE TWO PEOPLE IN ONE ROOM. SO THAT'S A TOTAL OF 16 PEOPLE. AND THEN EIGHT OF THE ROOMS, WHICH SHOULD GET YOU UP TO 24 ROOMS TOTAL OR I'M SORRY, 16 ROOMS TOTAL. THAT WOULD HAVE EIGHT OF THE WOMEN PLUS SOME CHILDREN ALONG WITH THEM. SO THEY GET YOU TO THEY GET YOU TO 16 ROOMS AND MAYBE 24 STUDENTS. SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE NUMBERS ARE ALL GETTING CONFUSING. BUT BUT WE DO. I THINK THE CONDITIONAL USE ALLOWS FOR 18 DORM ROOMS, 17 FOR STUDENTS, ONE FOR THE RESIDENT. YES. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY WHAT'S IN THE BUSINESS PLAN. ACTUALLY IDENTIFIED THE 18 TOTAL 18 TOTAL TOTAL SLEEPING ROOMS, EIGHT DORMS FOR MOTHERS AND CHILDREN. SO OBVIOUSLY THE MOTHER, THE STUDENT IS BEING COUNTED THERE. WE UNDERSTOOD CHILDREN. AND THEN EIGHT DORM ROOMS FOR SINGLE WOMEN. AND SO THAT WAS THAT WAS HOW IT IS IN THE BUSINESS PLAN. AND I WAS ACTUALLY JUST GOING TO POINT THAT OUT TO COUNSEL. YOU KNOW, WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS WITH THE SCHOOL. THIS THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT TOOK SOME TIME. WE DIDN'T OFF THE CUFF, JUST DECIDE IT SOUNDS LIKE A SCHOOL. THIS IS THE CULMINATION OF WHAT WE WORKED WITH THEM FOR PROBABLY A YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF TO DESCRIBE EXACTLY WHAT IT IS THEY'RE DOING. THIS IS THE BUSINESS PLAN. THIS TALKS ABOUT EVERY ASPECT OF WHAT THEY HAVE SAID, HOW THEY'RE GOING TO RUN THE PROGRAM, ALL OF THE CURRICULUM REQUIREMENTS, ALL OF THE, YOU KNOW, APPLICATION PROCESS, THE CURRICULUM, ALL THE STEPS IS, IS ALL CONTAINED [01:15:03] IN HERE. SO THEY HAVE A PLAN THAT WE WILL RELY ON THAT THEY'RE FOLLOWING. OKAY, AWESOME. JUST TO GIVE THAT BACKGROUND FOR COUNCIL, AND I WILL SAY THAT AS YOU KNOW, YOU PROGRESS AND YOU WILL BE SUCCESSFUL. I'M VERY CONFIDENT THAT, YOU KNOW, IF SOMETHING NEEDS TO CHANGE, LET US KNOW. AND SO AGAIN, THE BUSINESS BUSINESS PLAN BEING A BUSINESS FOR MANY YEARS CHANGES. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. SO, BUT NO, I, I'M SO I'M GOOD SO FAR. IF NO OTHER QUESTIONS WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO. STEPHAN HARTMANN FOLLOWED UP THE LAST ONE I THOUGHT I HAD THREE. YEAH, YEAH. BEVERLY WIGGINS NO, IT WAS JUST IF YOU HAD ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, GO AHEAD. IT WAS JUST IF YOU HAD ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. YOU GOTTA GO THIS WAY. THIS WAY. THAT ONE WILL SHOCK YOU. ACTUALLY, YOU DON'T WANT TO GO ON THAT ONE. STEFAN HARTMANN, 2196 COLONY DRIVE. I'M YOUR NEWLY APPOINTED PLANNING AND ZONING, AND I SAT ON THAT BOARD, AND I APPROVED IT UNANIMOUSLY BASED OFF THE OBJECTIVE INFORMATION THAT WAS PRESENTED. BUT I'M ALSO A PHYSICIAN ASSISTANT, AND I HAVE PRACTICED MENTAL HEALTH AND ACTUALLY PRACTICED IN THE E.R. SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH SOME OF THE PATIENTS THAT COME OUT OF CIRCLES OF CARE. AND I REALLY LIKE THIS CONCEPT. GET THEM ON THEIR FEET, GET THEM IN A PROGRAM THAT CAN PUT THEM ON THE RIGHT PATH. BUT KNOWING THIS POPULATION, I KNOW THEY DO HAVE A KIND OF A HIGH DROP OFF RATE AND SOME NONCOMPLIANCE ISSUES. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENS TO THESE PATIENTS STUDENTS, IF THEY DO DROP OUT OF THE PROGRAM. WHERE DO THEY GO AFTER THAT? ARE THEY GOING TO END UP IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE STREET ON AURORA? THAT'S KIND OF THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE BECAUSE I LIVE IN THAT AREA. AND WHAT I DON'T WANT TO SEE IS KIND OF WHAT WE SAW WITH THE DAILY BREAD, IS THAT THEY'RE KIND OF LOITERING AROUND THE AREA, SUBSTANCE ABUSE, THAT SORT OF THING. SO THAT'S KIND OF ONE OF THE THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM. LIKE, WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY DO FAIL THE PROGRAM? WHAT IS THE REQUIREMENTS FOR FINISHING THAT PROGRAM AND THEN BECOMING MEMBERS OF THE SOCIETY? THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. IT'S A REALLY INTERESTING QUESTION. AND I THINK PREVIOUSLY WHEN WE CAME BEFORE YOU, I GAVE YOU EXAMPLES OF WHEN A STUDENT GRADUATES, BUT ACTUALLY WHAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY SPEAKING TO IS TO OUR ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA AND OUR ADMISSION CRITERIA. SO I WOULD SAY THAT WE IT'S QUITE A ROBUST PROCESS THAT PEOPLE GO THROUGH IN ORDER TO QUALIFY FOR OUR PROGRAM. I JUST PUT THE THE BINDER DOWN. BUT THEY DON'T JUST GAIN ACCESS. THERE IS A FOUR STAGE PROCESS THAT STARTS WITH AN APPLICATION FORM. AND JUST TO JUST TO CLARIFY, WE'RE NOT A CHURCH, WE'RE A MINISTRY. AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE REFERRED TO US REFER THEMSELVES. WE GET REFERRALS FROM ALL OUR ASSET MAPPING PARTNERS, EVERYBODY. AND THE THE PARTNERS EXTEND FROM ACROSS THE COUNTY. SO IT'S NOT ONE SOURCE AND THEY'RE NOT ALWAYS THE CHARACTERISTICS OF AN INDIVIDUAL. THEY COULD BE WORKING AND COMING TO OUR PROGRAM, THEY COULD BE HOMELESS, OR THEY COULD BE IN A SITUATION WHERE THEY NEED TO GET OUT OF A SITUATION. SO THE ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA INCLUDES AN APPLICATION FORM. IT INCLUDES A ONE HOUR TELEPHONE SCREENING. AND AT THAT POINT, WE DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THEY WOULD BE EVEN SUITABLE FOR OUR PROGRAM. FOLLOWING THAT, THERE IS A GROUP INTERVIEW THAT TAKES PLACE. THEN AFTER THAT, THERE'S ALL THE BACKGROUND CHECKS. BEFORE I SAID, WE ARE NOT A SHELTER, WE ARE NOT A TRANSITIONAL PROGRAM. THEREFORE, THOSE PEOPLE THAT REQUIRE THAT KIND OF SERVICE, WE REFER THEM OUT. THEREFORE, WE ARE NOT A RECOVERY PROGRAM. THEREFORE, THOSE PEOPLE WE REFER ON TO OTHER PARTNERS. AND THAT'S WHY THINGS LIKE ASSET MAPPING AND THAT THOSE GROUPS ARE ESSENTIAL FOR US BECAUSE WE WORK IN PARTNERSHIP, WE COLLABORATE TO ENSURE THAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY DON'T FALL THROUGH THE NET, THAT WE'RE NOT JUST TAKING CALLS AND THEN SAYING GOODBYE. AND WHEN PEOPLE ACTUALLY COME INTO OUR PROGRAM, WHICH CAN TAKE THREE WEEKS, IT DEPENDS ON WHEN THE BACKGROUND CHECK COMES BACK AND WE CHECK EXTENSIVELY, BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IN OUR PROGRAM IS A GOOD FIT. WE'RE ALSO LOOKING FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING TO DO THE WHOLE PIE. AND I SPOKE ABOUT THAT LAST TIME. I SPOKE ABOUT THE THE COMPONENTS WITHIN OUR [01:20:06] PROGRAM, WHICH ACTUALLY ARE RELATIONAL SKILLS THAT CARNEGIE FOUNDATIONAL HAS TALKED ABOUT BEING IN HIGH DEMAND. 93% OF EMPLOYERS LOOK FOR RELATIONAL SKILLS. THE 15% OF THE TECHNICAL SKILLS THAT THEY REQUIRE WERE ACTUALLY RUNNING IN OUR PROGRAM. THE FACT THE SIX CORE ELEMENTS THAT WE COVER, NOT EVERYBODY WANTS TO DO IT. AND I HAVE TO SAY THIS, AND I'VE GOT MY BOARD MEMBERS HERE THAT THEY KNOW THAT MY BACKGROUND IS EDUCATION. YES, I'VE GOT AN ACCENT. AND YES, I'M FROM ENGLAND, BUT I WORKED IN EDUCATION IN ENGLAND FOR OVER 20 YEARS AS A CAREERS PROFESSIONAL. I GOT MY MASTER'S HERE IN THEOLOGY AND I HAVE A DOCTORATE HERE FROM THIS COUNTRY IN THEOLOGY. AND THEREFORE, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES I HAVE, AND I'M GOING TO BE HONEST AS A PROGRAM DIRECTOR, IS THE SCREENING PROCESS IS QUITE RIGID. AM I RIGHT BOARD MEMBERS? AND AM I ASKED OFTEN, WHY ARE WE NOT FILLING PLACES? BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE THE RIGHT FOOT. THEY HAVE TO BE SAFE. WHO WE BRING INTO OUR PROGRAM. EVERYBODY HAS TO BE ABLE TO BE SAFE AND SECURE IN ORDER FOR THE PROGRAM TO BE EFFECTIVE, IN ORDER FOR THE PROGRAM TO ALLOW THEM TO SURRENDER TO THE ENTIRE PIE. AND IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T WANT TO DO ONE PART OF THE PROGRAM, THEY DON'T THEY DON'T COME IN. AND THE PROGRAM REQUIRES OF THEM CERTAIN EXPECTATIONS. AND IF THEY DON'T MEET IT, THEY'RE OUT, SO TO SPEAK, TO THE GENTLEMAN'S QUESTION ABOUT, WELL, WHAT HAPPENS TO SOMEBODY WHEN THEY FALL OFF THE PROGRAM, THEY DON'T FIT INTO THE PROGRAM. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE PARTNERS. AND SO I CAN SPEAK TO THE FACT THAT ACTUALLY, YES, WE DO HAVE A GRADUATE. HOW LONG DID IT TAKE THE PROGRAM'S TWO YEARS, HOWEVER. AND WHEN THEY START THE PROGRAM, THEY START THE PROGRAM IMMEDIATELY. SO THEREFORE THE EDUCATIONAL COMPONENT STARTS WITHIN THE FIRST 30 DAYS. WE DON'T KEEP THEM IDLE. THEY IMMEDIATELY ACCESS A CLASS COUNSELING, LIFE COACH, CASE MANAGEMENT. IT DOESN'T START SIX MONTHS LATER. IT STARTS IMMEDIATELY WITHIN A FRAMEWORK OF DOING A EDUCATIONAL PLAN. SET GOALS FOR THEM WITH TARGETS, AND THEREFORE, WHEN SOMEBODY DOESN'T FIT THE PROGRAM AND THEY'RE ASKED TO LEAVE, IT'S A SUPPORTED PROGRAM. SO WE I CAN GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF SOMEBODY WHO HAD A HEALTH CONDITION AND THEY HAD TO TRANSITION OUT, BUT IT WAS SUPPORTED. I CAN GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE THAT SOMEBODY WAS IN THE PROGRAM FOR TWO YEARS, BUT IT WASN'T ENOUGH. AND SO SHE GRADUATED LATER AND SHE MOVED. SHE HAD A JOB. SHE HAD A HOUSE, SHE WAS SECURE. SO WHEN PEOPLE LEAVE THE PROGRAM, WE TRY TO MAKE IT A MULTI-AGENCY STRATEGY APPROACH WHERE WE'RE MEETING WITH THE INDIVIDUALS, OUR TEAM THAT WORKS TOGETHER, BUT ALSO ANY OUTSIDE SERVICES. SO IT'S ALWAYS SUPPORTED. SO THEREFORE WHAT? YOU'RE SORRY. LAST POINT. SORRY. FORGIVE ME, BUT I JUST HAVE TO. I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT'S REALLY REAL. SO IF THE COMMUNITY'S CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS TO PEOPLE WHEN THEY LEAVE OUR PROGRAM, I CAN SAY THAT WHAT WE DO, WE DON'T DROP PEOPLE. WE SUPPORT THEM WITH A HEALTHY TRANSITION INTO SOMETHING ELSE. THE ONLY TIME IF IT WAS TO HAPPEN, AND IT HASN'T IN MY TIME, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN IN THE PROGRAM FOR OVER A YEAR NOW, IS THAT THEY MOVE OUT, THEY GET A JOB, THEY MOVE TO FAMILY BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE PROGRAM, WHO WE BRING ON BOARD AREN'T PEOPLE THAT WOULD AFFECT. AND I THINK THAT BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN THERE FOR SO LONG, I WOULD SAY ASK THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, ASK OUR PARTNERS AS THERE HAVE BEEN ISSUES. AND THE MAYOR HIMSELF SAID THERE HAS NOT BEEN ANY ISSUES WITHIN OUR PROGRAM. AND I HOPE I'VE ANSWERED THE GENTLEMAN'S QUESTIONS. I HOPE I'VE ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION. LET'S GO AHEAD. I HAVE TO WONDER IF IT WOULD SORT OF RELIEVE SOME OF THESE CONCERNS. IF WE ADD A CONDITION THAT THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW THE BUSINESS PLAN THAT THEY SUBMITTED, AND THAT'S BEEN VETTED THROUGH OUR OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, WE'VE DONE THAT BEFORE. AND THEN THAT ADDS THAT EXTRA LAYER BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THE APPLICATION PROCESS IS IN THE BUSINESS PLAN, THE TRAINING IS IN THE BUSINESS PLAN. AND SO THAT COULD BE THAT EXTRA CATCH FOR THAT TO ADD A CONDITION. WELL, AND ON THAT CONDITION, IF SOMETHING NEED TO BE CHANGED, YOU JUST COME BACK ON, ON WHAT THAT CHANGE IS. SO I WOULD DEFINITELY AGREE WITH THAT. I CAN TELL YOU WHEN I'M ABOUT TO SAY IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE POLITICALLY UNPOPULAR, BUT I WILL TELL YOU LIKE WHEN, WHEN YOU WHEN WE REFERENCE DAILY BREAD, I, OF COURSE, I WORKED ON GETTING DAILY BREAD CLOSED BECAUSE I [01:25:02] DID NOT BELIEVE THAT BEATING SOMEBODY THEN AT 2:00, CLOSING, KICKING THEM OUT AND THEN GOING DOWN THE ROAD. AND THAT REALLY DID THAT MODEL WORKED FOR A WHILE, MAYBE IN THE 80S. BUT WHAT WE REALLY NEEDED IS WHAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE DOING WHAT WHEN YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE SEEN DAILY BREAD AND YOU'VE SEEN SETA SETA WAS WORKING BECAUSE THEY HAD STANDARDS. AND IF YOU DIDN'T DO WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO, YOU ARE OUT. AND, AND SO NOW YOU SEE, LIKE YOU SAID, WITH ASSET MAPPING AND REALLY THE COMPASSIONATE PEOPLE, THAT OF WHO YOU ALL ARE DOING THIS. I LIVE DOWN THE ROAD TOO. I LIVE IN ABOUT IN THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD. PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE ON THE STREETS IF YOU DON'T HAVE SOMETHING FOR THEM TO GO, AT LEAST THEY HAVE THE OPTION TO GO AND BETTER THEMSELVES. AS GOVERNMENT. WE HAVE TO HELP PROVIDE THAT. IF YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN, WE UNDERSTAND THAT. I MEAN, WITH WITH US AND WITH YOU. I THINK EVERYBODY HAS SOMETHING TO SUCCEED. AND AND I'M, I'M VERY HAPPY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE MOVING FORWARD. I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT CONDITION. MISS LAMB. DID ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? I WAS GOING TO MAKE THE MOTION, BUT I'M DONE JUST. WELL WE HAVE WE'RE NOT THERE YET. WE. IT. ANOTHER SPEAKER. WELL, NO, NOT YET, BUT WE THIS IS A QUASI JUDICIAL ITEM. SO DO WE HAVE ANY DISCLOSURES. NO I NO NO DISCLOSURES. NO DISCLOSURES. OKAY. SO NOW THAT WE'VE CLEARED THAT UP, IF WE'RE GOOD IF YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WE CAN GO AHEAD AND CALL THE QUESTION MOVE FORWARD. AND AND I WAS JUST GOING TO TO MAKE IT CLEAR THERE WAS JUST CONFUSION FROM THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSION. I THINK MISS HANLEY HAD VALUABLE THOUGHTS ABOUT THE ACCREDITATION. THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT THE AN INDIVIDUAL WHO WAS TWO YEARS FROM CIRCLES TO CARRY OUT. THIS IS NOTHING ABOUT YOUR GUYS'S PROGRAM. I THINK THAT THE WHOLE COUNCIL IN GENERAL THINKS YOU GUYS ARE VALUABLE, INCLUDING MYSELF, I REALLY DO. I THINK YOU GUYS ARE DOING A GREAT JOB. IT'S MORE SO JUST MAKING SURE VERSUS RECENT EVENTS THAT HAVE GONE ON IN THE CITY THAT EVERYTHING'S GOOD. SO THAT BEING SAID, HERE I AM GOING TO THE ONLY THING THAT I HAVE TO MAKE SURE I'M DOING IT RIGHT IS WITH OUR AWESOME FILL IN ATTORNEY FOR TODAY. I'M FILLING CITY ATTORNEY TODAY. SO HOW WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO ADD THIS? BECAUSE I HAVE A MOTION RIGHT HERE FOR THE APPROVAL. BUT DON'T JUST SAY WITH THE ADDED CONDITION OF OR HOW WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO DO THAT? THAT'LL BE FINE. WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS CONFIRM WITH THE APPLICANT, BECAUSE IT IS QUASI JUDICIAL THAT THEY DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER REBUTTAL TO ANYTHING THAT ANY WITNESSES HAVE SAID AT TONIGHT'S HEARING. AND AND DOES THE APPLICANT, REAL QUICK, IF I CAN GET YOU RIGHT BACK UP JUST TO SAY IT IN THE MIC SO WE HAVE IT ON RECORD, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE'S NO REBUTTAL ON THE FACT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO YOU GOT TO FOLLOW THE BUSINESS PLAN ANYWAY. SO WE'RE JUST ASKING YOU TO FOLLOW THE BUSINESS PLAN. YOU SUBMIT IT. SO ABSOLUTELY. YOU HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO THAT? AND I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO HAVE THE BUSINESS PLAN THAT CAN BE SUBMITTED TO THE CLERK, SO WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT IS. YEAH. THE BUSINESS PLAN AS IT'S BEEN SUBMITTED IS WHAT THE WHAT THE PROGRAM IS AND WHAT WE'RE DELIVERING AND WHAT WE'RE COMMITTED TO. OH, THAT STAFF HAS THAT PLAN. YOU CAN SUBMIT THAT TO THE CLERK BECAUSE THAT WAS REFERENCED AS PART OF THE EVIDENCE TONIGHT. AND THAT'S GOING TO BE PART OF THE CONDITION. TO FURTHER CLARIFY, WE CAN STATE THE DATE ON THE FINAL BUSINESS PLAN IS JUNE OF 2024. OKAY. THAT'S THE FINAL DATE DOCUMENT. RIGHT. AND SOME OF THE OTHER DISCUSSION AND TO CLARIFY IS THAT THE DORMITORY DOES NOT EXIST WITHOUT THE SCHOOL. CORRECT. AND THE SCHOOL DOESN'T EXIST, THEN THE RIGHT TO LIVE THERE. THERE'S A CONDITION VERY CLEARLY THAT IF THE SCHOOL IS NOT OPERATING, THE DORMITORY IS NO LONGER PERMITTED. RIGHT. GOOD. SO WE'RE GOOD THEN, RIGHT. OKAY. YOU WANT TO GO TO MAKE THE MOTION? MAKE A MOTION FOR THE APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 2026, DASH TEN WITH PLAN 2020 4-0011. ALSO ADDING THE CONDITION OF. THEY MUST FOLLOW THE BUSINESS PLAN WITHIN THAT. BASED UPON THE FINDINGS CONTAINED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEMORANDUM. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND BY MR. SMITH. I'M GOING TO CALL FOR A ROLL CALL. VOTE, PLEASE. COUNCIL MEMBER HANLEY. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. NEWMAN. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. BASSETT. AYE. MAYOR. OFFERING. AND I VOTE AYE. AND THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. SO WE'RE DONE. SO GET TO WORK. YEAH. NO HURRY. GET TO WORK. GET TO WORK. ALL [9. Ordinance No. 2026-11, Capital Improvements Element: (Second Reading/Public Hearing) An ordinance amending Chapter X of the Melbourne Comprehensive Plan entitled "Capital Improvements Element" to reflect the annual update of the Capital Improvements Schedule. (Applicant - City of Melbourne) (First Reading - 3/10/2026)] RIGHT, WE'RE WE'RE MOVING ON NOW TO ITEM NUMBER NINE. THIS IS GOING TO BE AWARDED IN 2026. DASH 11 CITY ATTORNEY. YES, SIR. ORDINANCE NUMBER 20 2611, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA RELATING TO COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING MAKING FINDINGS, AMENDING APPENDIX D, CHAPTER FOUR, SECTION 4.04 OF THE CITY CODE. AMENDING CHAPTER TEN OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ENTITLED CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS ELEMENT TO REFLECT THE ANNUAL UPDATE OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT SCHEDULE, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND INTERPRETATION, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND PROVIDING AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE. AND THIS IS TEXT 2026 0002. OKAY. THANK YOU. REPORT ON THIS IS MISS CINDY DITTMER. YES. I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER TO ADD ON SECOND READING. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS DITTMER? THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE ANY SIGN UP SHEETS? NO. SIGN UP SHEETS. CLOSE THE [01:30:02] PUBLIC HEARING. BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL. MAYOR. GO AHEAD. MR. SMITH. RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE AMENDING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS ELEMENT AND UPDATING THE SCHEDULE OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS. BASED UPON FINDINGS PRESENTED IN THE STAFF MEMORANDUM. SECOND, HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. ROLL CALL. VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER. COUNCIL MEMBER. SMITH. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. NGUYEN. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. BASSETT. MAYOR. [10. Task Order No. CDM-08 to the Professional Services Agreement for the Water Production Wellfield Improvements Production Wells No. 1 and No. 2 Generators, Project No. 31223, CDM Smith, Inc., Maitland, FL - $327,322.] ALFREY. AND THAT MOTION PASSES. OKAY. WE'RE MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER TEN. REPORTING ON THIS IS THE AMAZING JENNIFER SPAGNOLI. HOW YOU DOING? GOOD. GOOD EVENING. MAYOR COUNCIL. THIS IS A TASK ORDER WITH CDM SMITH FOR WELLFIELD. IMPROVEMENTS FOR WELLS NUMBER ONE AND TWO FOR NEW GENERATORS. THE WATER PLANT CURRENTLY HAS WELLS ONE, TWO, THREE A AND FOUR. AND WITH TWO ADDITIONAL THAT WILL BE COMING ONLINE IN THE NEXT YEAR OR SO. CURRENTLY, WELLS NUMBER ONE AND TWO SHARED GENERATOR, AN EMERGENCY GENERATOR, AND FOR REDUNDANCY, EACH SHOULD HAVE ITS OWN BACKUP GENERATOR. SO THE CITY HAD PUT MONEY IN THE BUDGET AND THEN ENDED UP THAT WE WERE ABLE TO APPLY FOR A HAZARD MITIGATION GRANT, AND WE WERE APPROVED FOR THAT GRANT, WHICH CAN COVER THE COST OF THE GENERATORS. AND SO THIS IS WORK FOR CDM. THEY'LL HAVE TO INSTALL NEW ELECTRICAL SERVICE IN A DROP AT, WELL, ONE, NEW GENERATORS WITH PREFAB ENCLOSURES FOR WELLS, ONE AND TWO ELECTRICAL INSTRUMENTATION AND CONTROLS SLABS. AND THIS IS FOR THE SURVEY GEOTECH DESIGN PERMITTING AND BIDDING FOR THE EMERGENCY POWER. AND WE'LL TAKE APPROXIMATELY 305 DAYS AND FUNDING IS AVAILABLE WITHIN THE PROJECT 31223. OKAY, OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS MCNALLY? ALRIGHT. DO WE HAVE ANY ACTION ON TIM MAYOR? GO AHEAD MA'AM. APPROVAL TASK ORDER NUMBER CDM08 TO CDM SMITH INC, MAITLAND, FLORIDA FOR THE WATER PRODUCTION WELLS NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER TWO GENERATORS. PROJECT NUMBER 31223 IN THE AMOUNT OF $327,322. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND BY MISS BASSETT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE AYE, AND THAT MOTION PASSES. OKAY. MOVING ON TO ITEM [11. Hoag Avenue Roadway Improvements, Project No. 04126.] NUMBER 11. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL. THIS IS FOR THE CREATION OF THE HOG AVENUE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT AND APPROVAL OF A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING ENGINEERING TASK ORDER WITH DRMP INC, MERRITT ISLAND, FLORIDA FOR THE DESIGN OF THE PROJECT. IN APRIL 2025, THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT STAFF WAS CONTACTED BY MR. NANCE, REPRESENTATIVE OF THE CHRISTIAN FELLOWSHIP CHURCH ON HOG AVENUE, TO DISCUSS THE REQUEST TO PAVE HOG AVENUE EAST OF US. ONE STAFF PROVIDED THE PROCESS ESTABLISHED BY CITY COUNCIL POLICY NUMBER 22 PAVING OF DIRT STREETS. A PETITION PACKAGE WAS THEN ASSEMBLED IDENTIFYING THE AFFECTED PROPERTIES, THE REQUIRED SIGNATURES NECESSARY FOR COLLECTION, AND THE PRELIMINARY ESTIMATED CONSTRUCTION COSTS. THESE WERE PROVIDED TO MR. NANCE ON AUGUST 25TH, 2025. THE PETITION PACKAGE INCLUDED AN EXPLANATION OF THE UNPAVED ROAD PETITION PROCESS, THE FORM FOR SIGNATURES AND A BREAKDOWN OF ESTIMATED COSTS FOR EACH AFFECTED PROPERTY OWNER. ON NOVEMBER 19TH, 2025, THE CITY RECEIVED THE COMPLETED PETITION FROM MR. NANCE. STAFF VERIFIED THE PETITION SUCCESSFULLY MET THE 70% THRESHOLD REQUIREMENT FOR SUPPORT OF THE PETITION PAVING PROCESS. ON DECEMBER 9TH, 2025, COUNCIL DISCUSSED COUNCIL POLICY 2022 FOLLOWING PUBLIC COMMENTS FROM THE AFFECTED PROPERTY OWNERS REQUESTING THE STATUS OF PAVING HOAG AVENUE AND THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT PAYING THE 30% COST SHARE. MAYOR REQUESTED THAT THE CITY MANAGER PROVIDE CITY COUNCIL WITH ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ABOUT POLICY 22. THAT INFORMATION WAS PROVIDED ON DECEMBER 11TH. ON FEBRUARY 10TH, 2026, COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH SOUGHT COUNCIL CONSENSUS TO DISCUSS CHANGING THE POLICY'S REQUIREMENT FOR THE 30% COST SHARE. HOWEVER, COUNCIL DID NOT PROVIDE THAT CONSENSUS CONSENSUS AT THE 20TH FEBRUARY 10TH, 2026 MEETING, THE CITY MANAGER OFFERED TO PROVIDE UPDATED COST ESTIMATES FOR PAVING OF UNPAVED ROADS TO CITY COUNCIL, AND THAT WAS PROVIDED ON MARCH 10TH. UNDER SEPARATE COVER. STAFF IS SEEKING TO CLARIFY IF COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED WITH THE ATTACHED TASK ORDER, UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE MAY NOT BE A DESIRE FROM PROPERTY OWNERS TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE 30% COST SHARE FOR CONSTRUCTION. PLEASE NOTE THAT THERE ARE SOME FAIRLY SUBSTANTIAL UNKNOWNS AT THIS POINT IN TIME REGARDING THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS FOR PAVING HOAG AVENUE. AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE STORMWATER TREATMENT REQUIREMENTS ARE GOING TO BE FOR THE ROADWAY. WE WON'T BE ABLE TO DETERMINE THOSE UNTIL WE'VE HAD OUR PRELIMINARY DESIGN MEETINGS WITH THE PERMITTING AGENCIES. SO AT THIS [01:35:04] POINT, WE'RE ESTIMATING THAT THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS COULD RANGE ANYWHERE FROM 400,000 TO IN EXCESS OF $800,000, DEPENDING ON WHAT TYPE OF STORMWATER TREATMENT MAY BE REQUIRED IN ORDER TO CONSTRUCT THE PAVE THE ROADWAY. AS A PART OF THAT, THAT 30% OF WHATEVER THAT TOTAL CONSTRUCTION COST IS GOING TO BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS ALONG THE ROADWAY TO BEAR. THE CITY WILL PAY FOR 70% OF THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS, ALONG WITH ALL OF THE DESIGN COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE ROADWAY. CURRENTLY, THE ESTIMATE FOR DESIGN COSTS IS APPROXIMATELY $125,000, $125,800. THAT'S THE VALUE OF THE TASK ORDER THAT WE ARE REQUESTING TO BE APPROVED THIS EVENING WITH DRMP. AND THE ROADWAY DESIGN WILL INCLUDE APPROXIMATELY 1000FT OF TWO LANE ROADWAY WITH THE ASSOCIATED STORMWATER TREATMENT, CONVEYANCE, SIGNAGE, STRIPING AND UTILITY DESIGN FOR SEWER LATERAL INSTALLATIONS. ADDITIONALLY, TECHNICAL SPEC PREPARATION, BID DOC PREP AND BID SUPPORT SERVICES ARE GOING TO BE INCLUDED IN THE SCOPE OF WORK. A CAPITAL PROJECT WILL NEED TO BE CREATED AND A BUDGET WILL NEED TO BE ESTABLISHED FOR THE PROJECT AND ADMINISTRATIVE BUDGET TRANSFER IN THE AMOUNT OF $125,800 FROM PROJECT NUMBER 64219. THE FISCAL YEAR 19 UNPAVED ROADS PROGRAM. IT'S NECESSARY TO APPROPRIATE FUNDS FOR THE PROJECT. WE'RE REQUESTING TWO STEPS HERE. ONE IS THE CREATION OF THE HOAG AVENUE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT NUMBER 04126, AND AN ADMINISTRATIVE BUDGET TRANSFER OF $125,800 FROM FISCAL YEAR 19. UNPAVED ROADS PROGRAM PROJECT NUMBER 64219 AND APPROVAL OF TASK ORDER NUMBER DRPI2025-007 WITH DRMP INC. MERRITT ISLAND, FLORIDA FOR THE PROFESSIONAL CONSULTING SERVICES FOR THE HOAG AVENUE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT 04126 IN THE AMOUNT OF $125,800. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. EARNEST? ALL RIGHT. WE DO HAVE ONE PUBLIC SPEAKER, TOM NANCE. WELL, ONCE AGAIN, I KNOW ABOUT ALL THAT. THEY SENT ME EMAILS. I KNOW ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING ON. AND, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE TRYING TO DO AND EVERYTHING. AND I DON'T REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM. I CAME HERE TONIGHT TO REALLY SUPPORT JOE AND HE BROUGHT HIS LAWYER WITH HIM, SO HE DIDN'T NEED ME, SO HE DIDN'T NEED ME. SO I'M GOOD, YOU KNOW, APPRECIATE EVERYTHING. YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING I'M TRYING TO DO. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. AND ON THIS ITEM, SIR, I DO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT. SO GLAD TO SEE THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO GET 70% SIGNED, BUT I DON'T WANT TO DISCUSS IT TONIGHT. BUT I DO WANT TO AT SOME POINT PUT SOME POINTS TOGETHER AS TO POTENTIAL CHANGES FOR NUMBER 22. THE THE ORDINANCE THAT WE HAVE HERE, OUR CITY COUNCIL POLICY, NUMBER 22, I'M SORRY, WHICH IS THE PAVEMENT OF THE STREETS BECAUSE I JUST THINK THAT THIS THIS PROGRAM IS A LITTLE OUTDATED. AND I THINK THAT WE CAN HAVE SOME CHANGES AND A PART OF THAT. I'M NOT GOING TO THINK THAT ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, WE SHOULD NOT COMPLETELY FUND PAVING EVERY ROAD. THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY. BUT I DO THINK ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, DEPENDING ON CERTAIN CRITERIA, I THINK THAT IT RISES TO THE OCCASION WHERE WE SHOULD CONSIDER FUNDING AND AND I'LL PUT THOSE CRITERIA AND THINGS TOGETHER FOR US TO REVIEW AND HAVE A DISCUSSION AT A FUTURE MEETING. YOU KNOW, MR. SMITH, THAT ACTUALLY WOULD ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH YOU BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE MAY NOT WANT THE ROADS PAVED, SOME PEOPLE MAY LIKE IT, BUT THE OTHER PLACES NEED IT BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC OR SOMETHING. SO I THINK MAYBE AN UPDATE IF YOU WANT TO PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER, I WOULD ACTUALLY FULLY SUPPORT THAT BECAUSE IT KIND OF, YOU KNOW, YOU ALWAYS GOT TO UPDATE THAT. AND SO YEAH, THAT THAT I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT. THANK YOU. MARY. I'LL HAVE, I KIND OF HAVE A GOOD OUTLINE OF IT NOW, BUT WE DON'T LET'S, LET'S DEAL WITH WHAT WE HAVE TONIGHT, WHICH IS GETTING STARTED. AND THEN I'LL COME BACK WITH SOME ADDITIONAL DETAILS ON THAT. OKAY? GOOD. SIR. TWO MOSTLY JUST ONE THING. ACTUALLY, I'M IN SUPPORT OF THIS IN GENERAL, BUT THEN ALSO I'M GLAD THAT WE'VE GOTTEN TO THIS POINT WITH MR. NANCE REALLY CREATING THIS OPPORTUNITY, HAVING 70% FOLKS GET THIS SIGNED. I THINK THIS IS I TALKED TO JENNY JUST FOR WHATEVER REASON, IN CASE THERE'S AN IMPASSE ON THIS FUNDING. ONE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A GOOD PRECEDENT FOR US TO SET THAT. SOMEBODY GETS 70% AND WE DON'T DO OUR PART THAT WE SAID THAT WE WOULD DO. BUT THEN SECONDLY, JENNY WAS REALLY INSTRUMENTAL IN HELPING US TAKE A LOOK AT, WELL, HOW LONG WOULD THIS LAST? HOW LONG WOULD THE, YOU KNOW, WITH THESE PLANS GO FOR? AND IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF TIME SO THAT EVEN IF IT'S NOT RIGHT NOW, THESE PLANS CAN BE USED DOWN THE ROAD. SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A WASTED EFFORT. IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DEFINITELY USE. SO I'D LIKE TO, TO SUPPORT THIS WITH A [01:40:02] MOTION. IF THERE'S NOT ANY OTHER DISCUSSION. YEAH, I'M GOOD WITH THAT. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THE CREATION OF THE HOAG AVENUE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT, PROJECT NUMBER 04126 AND ADMINISTRATIVE BUDGET TRANSFER OF $125,800 FROM FY 19 UNPAVED ROADS. PROGRAM PROJECT NUMBER 64219. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE AYE AND MOTION PASSES. MAYOR B, I'D LIKE TO MOTION FOR THE APPROVAL OF TASK ORDER NUMBER DRMP-1- 2020 5-007 WITH DRM P INC MERRITT ISLAND, FLORIDA FOR PROFESSIONAL CONSULTING SERVICES FOR THE HOAG AVENUE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS, PROJECT NUMBER 04126 AND THE AMOUNT OF $125,800. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION BY MISS BASSETT. I THINK SHE BEAT YOU. THAT'S FINE. LET'S GET IT ON. LET'S GET LET'S GET TO WORK. OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE, AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE AYE, AND THAT MOTION PASSES. THANK [12. CONSENT AGENDA:] YOU. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 12. THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS A THROUGH G. NOTHING HAS BEEN PULLED. COUNCIL. GO AHEAD. MA'AM. APPROVAL FOR CONSENT AGENDA A THROUGH G. SECOND, HAVE A MOTION A SECOND BY MR. NEWMAN. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE AYE. MOTION PASSES 13. NOTHING WAS PULLED. SO WE'RE MOVING ON TO [14. Ordinance No. 2026-14, Ordinance No. 2026-15 and Ordinance No. 2026-16, 1634 Pine Hill Drive: (First Reading/Public Hearing) Ordinances providing for annexation, Comprehensive Plan amendment and zoning designation on 0.20± acres located on the north side of Pine Hill Drive, east of North Wickham Road, and south of Kingston Lane. (Owner/Applicant - Margaret Spillers) (P&Z Board - 3/5/26)] ITEM NUMBER 14. THIS IS ORDINANCE NUMBER 20, 26, 14, 15 AND 16. THAT'S MR. CITY ATTORNEY. YOU CAN READ THEM ALL. THANK YOU. YES, MAYOR. ORDINANCE NUMBER 20 2614, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, PROVIDING FOR THE ANNEXATION OF POINT TWO, ZERO PLUS OR MINUS ACRES OF REAL PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF PINE HILL DRIVE, EAST OF NORTH WICKHAM ROAD AND SOUTH OF KINGSTON LANE. 1634 PINE HILL DRIVE, PROVIDING FOR THE EXTENSION OF THE CORPORATE BOUN, PROVIDING THAT THIS ORDINANCE SHALL BE RECORDED IN THE PUBLIC COUNTY, FLORIDA, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND PROVIDING AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE. THIS IS ANNEXATION 2026 0002 ORDINANCE NUMBER 20 2615. AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, FLORIDA. MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA RELATING TO COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING MAKING FINDINGS AMENDING APPENDIX D, CHAPTER FOUR, SECTION 4.04 OF THE CITY CODE. AMENDING THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BY ESTABLISHING A LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL FUTURE. LAND USE MAP CLASSIFICATION 1.20 PLUS OR MINUS ACRES OF REAL PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF PINE HILL DRIVE EAST OF NORTH WICKHAM ROAD AND SOUTH OF KINGSTON LANE. 1634 PINE HILL DRIVE. PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND PROVIDING AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE, THIS IS MAP 2026 0005. ORDINANCE NUMBER 20 2616. AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA. AMENDING THE ZONING MAP AS IT RELATES TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE NUMBER 2005 120 BY ESTABLISHING R1, A SINGLE FAMILY, LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL ZONING ON POINT TWO, ZERO PLUS OR MINUS ACRES OF REAL PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF PINE HILL DRIVE EAST OF NORTH WICKHAM ROAD AND SOUTH OF KINGSTON LANE. 1634 PINE HILL DRIVE. PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND PROVIDING ADOPTION SCHEDULE, THIS IS MAP 2026 0006. IN THE ABSENCE OF THE VICE MAYOR, THE MAYOR ASKED ME TO RUN THIS WHILE HE HAD TO STEP OUT. CINDY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GIVE US YOUR REPORT? YES. SO THIS IS THE FIRST READING OF THREE ORDINANCES ANNEXING A 0.20 ACRE PARCEL AND ESTABLISHING A LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL FUTURE LAND USE AND R-1A ZONING ON THE PROPERTY. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF PINE HILL DRIVE, EAST OF WICKHAM ROAD AND SOUTH OF KINGSTON LANE AT THE ADDRESS OF 1634 PINE HILL DRIVE. UPON APPROVAL OF THE ANNEXATION, THE PROPERTY WILL BE LOCATED IN COUNCIL DISTRICT SIX. THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS REQUESTED ANNEXATION INTO THE CITY AND HAS SUBMITTED THEIR VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION PETITION IN ORDER TO CONNECT TO THE CITY'S WATER SYSTEM. CITY CODE REQUIRES PROPERTY OWNERS THAT ARE CONTIGUOUS TO THE CITY LIMITS TO VOLUNTARILY ANNEX INTO THE CITY TO RECEIVE CONNECTION TO OUR CITY SERVICES. THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY HAS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON SITE. THE REQUESTED LOW DENSITY FUTURE LAND USE IS APPROPRIATE DESIGNATION BASED ON THE COUNTY DESIGNATION ON LAND USE AND THE SURROUNDING AREA AS AS WELL AS THE PROPOSED R-1A ZONING, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CURRENT RU17 BREVARD COUNTY ZONING THAT IS ON THE PROPERTY. THIS AREA HAS SINGLE FAMILY HOMES TO THE NORTH AND TO THE EAST AND WEST OF IT. AND WITH THAT, THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THESE THREE REQUESTS, AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 2026 DASH 14. ORDINANCE NUMBER 2026 DASH 15 AND ORDINANCE NUMBER 2026 DASH 16, ALL BASED UPON THE FINDINGS CONTAINED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEMORANDUM. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS DITTMER? SEEING NONE, THIS IS A QUASI JUDICIAL ITEM. ARE THERE ANY DISCLOSURES? SEEING NONE THIS [01:45:03] IS A PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE ANY TIME SHEETS? OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? COUNCILMAN NEWMAN, SIR, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025 DASH 14. BASED UPON THE FINDINGS CONTAINED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEMORANDUM SECTION 2026, SIR. OH, OKAY. YEAH. SO YOU AMEND YOUR MOTION TO 2026. YEAH. 2026. DO YOU AMEND YOUR SECOND? YEAH. ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED. I, I VOTE AYE ON THE MOTION PASSES. ITEM B LET ME PUT MY GLASSES ON APPROVAL ORDINANCE NUMBER 2020 6-15 DAYS UPON THE FINDINGS CONTAINED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEMORANDUM. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. WE GOT A MOTION BY MR. SMITH, A SECOND BY MISS BASSETT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED, I VOTE AYE, AND THE MOTION PASSES. ANOTHER MOTION PASS ONE APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 2020 6-16. BASED UPON THE FINDINGS CONTAINED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEMORANDA. SECOND MOTION BY MR. SMITH, SECOND BY MISS BASSETT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE [15. Resolution No. 4412, The Pines West PUD: (Public Hearing) A resolution transmitting a Comprehensive Plan Amendment *Major Amendment* to the Florida Department of Commerce for review. (P&Z Board – 3/5/2026)] OPPOSED? I VOTE AYE, AND THE MOTION PASSES. ITEM NUMBER 15, THE PINES WEST. PUD. HELLO, CINDY. GOOD EVENING. LET ME FLIP OVER TO THAT ONE. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS IS A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION TRANSMITTING A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT MAP AMENDMENT TO THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE, ESTABLISHING A LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL FUTURE LAND USE ON THE APPROXIMATELY 120 ACRE PROPERTY THAT'S LOCATED EAST OF THE SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY, SOUTH OF THE MELBOURNE TILLMAN C 63 CANAL AND NORTH OF THE MELBOURNE TILLMAN C 64 CANAL. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN UNINCORPORATED BREVARD COUNTY AND IS PROPOSED AS A FUTURE PHASE OF A SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT CALLED THE PINES. SO I JUST WANTED TO WALK COUNCIL THROUGH A LOT OF STEPS THAT ARE GOING TO OCCUR WITH THIS PROPERTY AND THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST. SO TONIGHT, COUNCIL'S CONSIDERING TRANSMITTAL OF A REQUESTED MAP AMENDMENT TO ESTABLISH LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL ON THIS 120 ACRE PARCEL THAT'S CURRENTLY UNINCORPORATED BREVARD COUNTY. THE NEXT TWO MAPS JUST SHOWING YOU THE AREAS SURROUNDED BY THE CITY OF MELBOURNE EXCEPT FOR A PORTION TO THE TO THE NORTH THERE WITH VERY SIMILAR. THE MIXED USE LAND USES ON THE. ALL THREE SIDES OF THE PROPERTY. AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE RURAL ZONING TO THE NORTH AND THE POLICE FOUNDATION SUBDIVISION THAT'S LOCATED JUST TO THE NORTH THERE. SO I WANT TO TAKE YOU FROM WHAT WE'RE DOING TONIGHT AND GIVE YOU THE BIGGER PICTURE OF WHERE WE'RE HEADED WITH THIS AND WHAT THE NEXT STEPS ARE GOING TO BE. SO I'VE SORT OF ZOOMED OUT. NOW IN THE GRAY AREA IS WHAT THE COUNCIL'S REFERRED TO AS THE PLATT RANCH. OVER THE YEARS, WE HAVE PLATT RANCH COMMUNITY ACTIVITY CENTER THAT'S ESTABLISHED WITHIN THE COMP PLAN. THAT PROPERTY WAS ANNEXED IN BACK IN 2014, I BELIEVE, 2016. ANYWAY, THE COUNCIL'S MOST RECENTLY IN THIS PAST YEAR, APPROVED A TEXT AMENDMENT THAT WAS RELATED TO WHAT'S SHOWN IN THE RED HASH MARKS THERE FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION. REGARDING THE REQUIREMENT TO NOT REQUIRE A MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE ENTIRE PROPERTY AT THIS TIME. THE PIECE THAT YOU'RE REFERENCING TONIGHT IS THE LITTLE NOTCH THAT'S WHITE IN THE MIDDLE THERE. SO I WANT TO GIVE YOU THAT PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, OF OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, WHAT'S GETTING READY TO HAPPEN. AND WE JUST DROPPED DOWN. I'LL ZOOM INTO A LITTLE BIT TIGHTER VIEW, BUT THERE'S A THREE PHASE SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION THAT'S PROPOSED ON BOTH WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY CALLED THE PINES EAST, ALONG WITH THE 120 ACRES THAT THE REQUEST FOR THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT TRANSMITTAL THAT'S OCCURRING THIS EVENING, THIS MAYBE HELPS TO GIVE IT A LITTLE BIT CLEARER. PICTURE THE THE PROPERTY IS GOING TO BORDER ESSENTIALLY NORFOLK PARKWAY AND EXTENSION TO NORFOLK PARKWAY AND INCORPORATE THE TWO LARGE PARCELS THAT ARE ALREADY IN THE CITY ALONG WITH THIS PARCEL BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING, BECAUSE OF THE ANNEXATION AND THE MAJOR COMP PLAN AMENDMENT, THIS PIECE NEEDS TO SORT OF GET OUT IN THE LEAD. AND THAT'S WHY YOU'RE SEEING THIS SMALL COMPONENT OF IT BEFORE YOU SEE THE WHOLE PLAN. WE CURRENTLY HAVE MULTIPLE APPLICATIONS UNDER REVIEW FOR THE WHOLE SUBDIVISION. THE THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY UNDER REVIEW, WHICH IS VERY PRELIMINARY. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE'VE PLUGGED IN THERE. NOT YET APPROVED. CAN'T TELL YOU IT'S ALL COMPLETELY MEETING CITY CODE YET, BUT IT WILL WHEN IT COMES BACK TO YOU GUYS, THE APPROXIMATELY 811 SINGLE FAMILY UNITS PROPOSED AT A DENSITY OF 1.9 UNITS PER ACRE. SO PRETTY LOW DENSITY. AS I MENTIONED [01:50:07] THERE, THE NORFOLK PARKWAY IS GOING TO BE THE ACCESS POINT. THERE WILL BE NO ACCESS GOING NORTHWARD FROM THIS SUBDIVISION INTO ANY OF THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOCATED TO THE NORTH. EVERYTHING WILL BE COMING SOUTH. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT EVERYBODY'S REALLY CLEAR. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT HAS EVEN BEEN DISCUSSED BY THE DEVELOPER OR THE CITY AS AS FAR AS THAT. SO WE'RE UNDER REVIEW FOR THIS, THIS PIECE BEING ANNEXED, THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT ALSO THEN FOR THE PUD ZONING FOR ALL THREE PARCELS ALONG WITHIN THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHICH IS SORT OF THE MASTER PLAN THAT YOU SEE OVERLAID IN HERE. NOW, THOSE WILL ALL BE COMING BACK TO CITY COUNCIL AT THE SAME TIME. EVERYTHING WILL COME BACK AS ONE. THERE WILL ALSO BE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT WILL COME BACK TO TO CITY COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION, THAT WILL HAVE ANY DETAILS AND AGREEMENTS AS FAR AS ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS AND ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO YOU'RE SORT OF GETTING THE PREVIEW GIST OF THE UNINCORPORATED PIECE AS IT TAKES ITS FIRST STEP. BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS, EVERYBODY HAD THE PICTURE OF WHERE WE'RE HEADED WITH THIS PROJECT. AND SO WITH THAT, LET ME JUST FINISH THROUGH SORT OF OUR PROCESS HERE. THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD DID CONSIDER THE ANNEXATION AND THE COMP PLAN MAP AMENDMENT TO THE LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AT THEIR MARCH 5TH MEETING. THEY DID HAVE SEVERAL RESIDENTS WHO WERE CONCERNED ABOUT ACCESS TO THEIR SUBDIVISION. SO THESE TOPICS WERE TALKED ABOUT AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEETING. THE BOARD DID VOTE 4 TO 3 TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE ANNEXATION AND THE COMPREHENSIVE MAP AMENDMENT REQUEST. SUBSEQUENT TO THAT MEETING, THERE WAS AN INTENT TO FILE A PETITION BY A PROPERTY OWNER WITHIN 500FT OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, AND A PETITION WAS SUBMITTED ON MARCH 12TH IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE TIME FRAME THAT IT HAD TO BE SUBMITTED. THE PETITION WAS SIGNED BY 13 PROPERTY OWNERS THAT REPRESENTED 7.16% OF THE OVERALL LAND WITHIN THE 500 FOOT BUFFER AREA. THAT PERCENTAGE IS BELOW THE 20%, WHICH IS THE THRESHOLD THAT WOULD ESTABLISH COUNCIL HAVING TO DO A 6/7 MAJORITY VOTE AT THE TIME THE ORDINANCE COMES BACK. SO THIS IS JUST TRANSMITTAL THIS EVENING. SO THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN DOWN THE ROAD. BUT THAT THEY DID NOT ACHIEVE THAT 20% THRESHOLD. SO IT WILL JUST BE WHEN IT DOES COME BACK. SIMPLE MAJORITY FOR COUNCIL CONSIDERATION AT THAT TIME. AND BASED UPON THAT, STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION NUMBER 4412. BASED UPON THE FINDINGS CONTAINED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEMORANDUM. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. I JUST WANT TO YOU ALREADY SAID IT, BUT I'M GONNA MAKE SURE IT'S ABUNDANTLY CLEAR FOR THE RECORD, BECAUSE I HAVE TALKED SO MUCH ABOUT RANCH ROAD FOR THE PAST TWO WEEKS. SO I WANT TO BE ABUNDANTLY CLEAR. THAT IS FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, IS THAT IT'S UTILITY ROAD THAT CANNOT BE USED FOR ENTRANCE WAY INTO THIS COMMUNITY, AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE INTERRUPTING THOSE RESIDENTS THAT ARE THAT ARE ABUTTING THAT ROAD. IS THAT IS THAT CORRECT? IT'S A, IT'S A PRIVATE PROPERTY THAT GOES TO THE SORT OF SEE THE LITTLE WHITE PIECE. IT'S HARD, HARD TO TO SEE THAT. LET ME SEE IF I CAN. I THINK YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT MAP THAT. THERE IT IS. YEAH. IT'S IT'S A LITTLE BIT HARD TO, TO SEE THERE, BUT YES, THERE'S SEVERAL LITTLE PARCELS IN THE VERY SOUTH EASTERN CORNER THERE OF THE PARCEL YOU'RE CONSIDERING. THOSE ARE OWNED BY THE GAS COMPANY AND THAT IS THEIR ACCESS TO TO THAT FACILITY. I DID FORGET THAT. I WAS GOING TO JUST SHOW YOU. THAT'S JUST THE LITTLE STEPS. THOSE ARE ALL THE APPLICATIONS THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY UNDER REVIEW FOR THIS PROJECT. AND THEN ALSO JUST FOR THE PETITION THAT WAS THE THOSE IN RED ARE THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT SIGNED THE PETITION. GREAT. THANK YOU. OKAY. THIS IS THE PART I NEED. YEAH. I WAS THE DEVELOPER AND THEY'RE, I GUESS, I GUESS IT WAS JUST THE DEVELOPER ACTUALLY THAT REACHED OUT TO ME TO MEET AND I TALKED TO THEM. SAME HERE. MAYOR. YES. I, I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET BACK TO ANYBODY. SO YEAH, I'VE BEEN BUSY. I THINK WE ALL HAVE. BUT IF NEEDED, IT CAN BE PROVIDED IF WE HAVE IT RIGHT. YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE ON ITEM NUMBER 15. DO WE HAVE ANY ACTION? MAYOR, LET'S HANDLE APPROVAL RESOLUTION 44. OH, I APOLOGIZE, THAT'S MY FAULT. I HAVE TWO PUBLIC COMMENTS. MY FAULT. WE'RE GOING TO MARRY JOHANSEN, FOLLOWED BY OUR PAUL JOHANSEN. [01:55:06] YEAH. APOLOGIZE. OVER HERE. THAT ONE SHOCKED YOU. THAT ONE SHOCKED YOU? YEAH. HELLO. MARY JOHANSEN, LONG TIME RESIDENTS OF BRANDYWINE AREA OR WHAT WAS REFERRED TO AS THE POLICE FOUNDATION ENCLAVE. IT'S COMMUNITY ENCLAVE. SO I APPRECIATE THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE WILL BE NO ACCESS TO RANCH ROAD THAT WOULD RUN THROUGH THAT AREA FROM THE PINES DEVELOPMENT. SO I DEFINITELY APPRECIATE THAT OVERALL. AND I WILL BE GETTING WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND WITH MY QUESTIONS AND COMMUNICATIONS WITH THEM. BUT I DO HAVE JUST TO LET YOU ALL KNOW, AS A RESIDENT OF THE AREA AND AS A RESIDENT OF I. 95 WEST, THE DEVELOPMENT AND I ASKED THAT WE CITIZENS COUNCIL, THE COUNTY. KEEP IN MIND THE DEVELOPMENT AND WHAT WE'RE DOING WEST OF 95 AND TO MAINTAIN SOME OF THE RURAL HERITAGE THAT WE HAVE AND NOT DEVELOP EVERY SQUARE INCH OF IT AND PUT EVERY HOUSE POSSIBLE ON IT. I DO HAVE QUESTIONS IN TERMS OF THE DEVELOPMENT, LIKE NORFOLK PARKWAY IS AN EXTENDED RIGHT NOW THERE'S A STUDY UNDERWAY, AS I UNDERSTAND, TO EXTEND IT OUT TO SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY. THE ANNEXATION IS PART OF IT IS BEING DONE TO REMOVE THE ENCLAVE BECAUSE IT'S SURROUNDED BY PLATT RANCH. MAKES SENSE, HOWEVER, FROM A SERVICES EMERGENCY SERVICES, YOU'RE ACTUALLY CREATING AN ENCLAVE BECAUSE THE PLATT RANCH, SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY, YOU HAVE NO ACCESS. THE ONLY ACCESS WOULD BE FROM NORFOLK PARKWAY, WHICH IS GOING THROUGH WEST MELBOURNE. SO HOW DOES THAT WORK? YOU'RE CREATING A LITTLE CITY OF MELBOURNE ENCLAVE FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT. PLATT RANCH ISN'T DEVELOPED. YOU HAVE NO ACCESS FROM THE WEST SIDE TO THE DEVELOPMENT WITHOUT THE NORFOLK PARKWAY EXTENSION. SO LOOKING AT IT FROM THE BIG PICTURE, HOW IS THAT GOING TO WORK? I ALSO HAVE CONCERNS REGARDING THE DEVELOPMENT. I MEAN, THIS IS MORE OF A GAS PLANT ISSUE SINCE IT'S THEIR PROPERTY, BUT THAT LINES RIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THOSE TWO PARCELS OF LAND. SO HOW'S THAT GOING TO WORK? JUST FROM A CONCERNED NEIGHBOR, BECAUSE OUR GAS PLANT NEIGHBORS HAVE BEEN VERY GOOD. AND THAT'S BASICALLY IT. OKAY. MAKING SURE LET ME CHECK MY NOTES. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. JENNY. PAUL JOHANSSON. SHE'S MY BETTER HALF. I'M WITH YOU NOW. I DON'T THINK SO. THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE THAT. HOW ARE YOU DOING? THANKS FOR BEING HERE. IT'S PAST MY BEDTIME. I HAVEN'T EATEN DINNER, SO I WAS WONDERING, HAVE YOU ALL HAD THIS MEMO HERE FROM THE PLANNING ZONING PEOPLE DATED 27TH? HAS IT BEEN UPDATED? BECAUSE IT'S WRONG. WE DISCUSSED THIS AT THE BOARD MEETING WHEN WE WERE HERE AND SAID, PROBABLY SHOULD UPDATE IT BECAUSE IT SAYS. TO THE EAST ACROSS RANCH ROAD. WELL, THAT'S NOT TRUE. THAT'S THE GAS PLANT PROPERTY. WHAT'S NOT SHOWN ON THIS MAP THAT YOU HAVE UP ON YOUR SCREEN IS SOUTH OF WHERE IT SAYS NO ACCESS. THE STRIP OF LAND THAT GOES BETWEEN THIS DEVELOPMENT DOWN TO THE GAS PLANT BELONGS TO THE FLORIDA GAS TRANSMISSION COMPANY. YOU CAN LOOK IT UP ON THE TAX ROLL. THAT'S THEIR DRIVEWAY. JUST BECAUSE GOOGLE MAPS AND EVERYTHING SAYS IT'S RANCH ROAD, IT'S NOT. THE COUNTY MAINTENANCE STOPS NORTH OF C 63. THAT'S IT. THE CULVERT. AND THAT ACCESS IS ALL RIGHT AWAY. ACCESS FOR THE CANAL MAINTENANCE. FOR FPL AND FOR THE GAS PLANT. THAT PROPERTY IS NOT SUBJECT TO THE ANNEXATION. THAT'S COUNTY PROPERTY. THIS PLAN, PRELIMINARY PLAN SHOWS A ROAD THAT'S GOING TO LEAVE THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, GO THROUGH THE COUNTY AND GO BACK TO THE CITY OF MELBOURNE. DID I GET THAT RIGHT? THAT'S FOR YOU GUYS TO DECIDE. BUT THAT'S WHAT I SEE. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO ENFORCE. I [02:00:03] DON'T KNOW HOW THE DEVELOPER IS TO PUT THE ONUS ON THE GAS TRANSMISSION COMPANY TO LIMIT ACCESS ON THAT ROAD. AND BY THE WAY, I'M GOING TO BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT THIS. AT THAT MEETING, THEY SAID NO VEHICULAR OR PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC. HOW DO YOU PREVENT PEOPLE FROM WALKING ACROSS THAT CULVERT IS A MYSTERY. NOW HUMOR COULD BE A BRIDGE. COULD BE A TUNNEL, RIGHT? THOSE ARE TWO SOLUTIONS. THE OTHER ONE IS, WHICH I THINK IS A SIMPLE SOLUTION, IS WHEN THE DEVELOPMENT IS PUT IN PLACE. AND THE NORFOLK PARKWAY, WHICH IS KIND OF WEIRD. YOU'RE DOING A STUDY, BUT GOING FORWARD WITH PLANS, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS. WHEN YOU PUT THAT IN, THE GAS PLANT CAN GET ACCESS TO THEIR PROPERTY THROUGH THE NEW DEVELOPMENT, AND YOU CAN DIG UP THE CULVERT. THAT SOLVES THE PROBLEM. SO THAT'S JUST MY THING. I GOT TWO MINUTES. SO I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THESE LITTLE THINGS REAL QUICK. THESE ARE RHETORICAL QUESTIONS, BUT THEY'RE TO MAKE YOU THINK HOW DO YOU GET THERE FROM HERE. MY WIFE COVERED SOME OF IT. IF ALL Y'ALL GOT IN YOUR CARS RIGHT NOW, YOU'RE GOING TO LEAVE MELBOURNE. YOU'RE GOING TO DRIVE THROUGH THE CITY OF WEST MELBOURNE TO GET TO THE CITY OF MELBOURNE. KIND OF INTERESTING. MADE ME THINK. HOW IS HE GOING TO GET THERE? GREAT NEW BUILDING YOU HAVE ON NASA, SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LEAVE THE CITY OF MELBOURNE WITH POLICE. DRIVE OUT TO THE HERITAGE PARKWAY TO DRIVE TO THE NEW NORFOLK PARKWAY, TO DRIVE BACK EAST TO GET TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, OR PROBABLY A FASTER ROUTE WOULD BE TO DRIVE DOWN WICKHAM TO MINTON ROAD AND YOU CAN WAVE AT THE WEST MELBOURNE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO GET TO THE NEW DEVELOPMENT. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO PROVIDE EMERGENCY SERVICES? I'M LIKE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KEEP TRACK OF IT. WHERE IS THE MELBOURNE FIRE DEPARTMENT? IT'S ON HEBREW ROAD. THAT'S THE NEAREST STATION. WE CAN DRIVE THROUGH THE CITY OF WEST MELBOURNE TO GET OUT THERE TO PROVIDE FIRE SERVICES. AND I'M NOT TOO SURE. MY NEIGHBOR WORKS IN THE INSURANCE BUSINESS AND SAYS, YOU GOT TO BE SO CLOSE TO FIRE STATIONS AND POLICE STATIONS IN ORDER TO GET INSURANCE, IN ORDER TO GET A MORTGAGE. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S GOING TO WORK. 47 SECONDS I'LL TELL YOU, IT'S LIKE, WHAT SCHOOL DISTRICTS ARE THESE GUYS IN? DID YOU LOOK? GOES TO DISCOVERY IN PALM BAY. IT GOES TO CENTRAL IN THE CITY OF WEST MELBOURNE. AND THE MELBOURNE RESIDENT HIGH SCHOOL KIDS GET THE JOY AND HONOR TO GO TO HIGH SCHOOL ON MALABAR ROAD AT HERITAGE, WEST OF THE HERITAGE PARKWAY. OKAY, THE LAST PIECE. AND IF I IF I CAN HAVE 30S MORE, YOU CAN TELL ME. SHUT UP IS TO COME HERE AND STAY. ABSOLUTELY. ALL RIGHT. SO I'LL GO BACK. SO NO DINNER. MY FAMILY HAS BEEN HERE FOREVER. OKAY. MY DAD USED TO JOKE. RUTH HENEGAR WAS MY TEACHER. OKAY. THEY STARTED AN ORGANIZATION IN WEST MELBOURNE BACK IN THE EARLY 70S. IT'S CALLED GUAMA. DO YOU GUYS KNOW WHAT THAT IS? IT'S THE GREATER WEST MELBOURNE ATHLETIC ASSOCIATION. IT WAS AT THE OLD MAX K ROADS PARK. WE PAID A LOT OF TAXES FOR A LOT OF YEARS. MY KIDS NEVER GOT TO PLAY THERE, BUT THEY'RE NOW AT THE NEW COUNTY PARK, THE GREATER WEST MELBOURNE ATHLETIC ASSOCIATION. WHERE DO YOU THINK THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO THINK THEY'RE GOING TO PARTICIPATE IN SPORTS AND GET THEIR CULTURAL AND SOCIETAL TIES WITH THEIR FRIENDS? IT'S GOING TO BE AT THAT PARK RIGHT THERE, RIGHT? SO ARE THESE PEOPLE REALLY RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE? WOW. IT MAKES ME GO, WHAT ARE WE DOING? IS THIS SMART? IS THIS REALLY A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OR IS THIS JUST LET'S KEEP BUILDING HOUSES. LET'S BRING THEM IN. AND I JUST ASKED, WHY NOW? WHY DO YOU HAVE TO MAKE THIS DECISION TODAY? WHY CAN'T YOU JUST. WELL LET'S WAIT. LET'S GET THE STUDY BACK ON THE PARKWAY. THAT'S GOING TO BE JANUARY. WHY DON'T WE LOOK AT THIS A LITTLE CLOSER, MAYBE TALK TO THE BOARD OF THE SCHOOL BOARD AND GO, WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT THIS? WHERE'S THE NEW SCHOOL GOING TO BE FOR ALL THESE PEOPLE? RIGHT. OUR AREA. SO, YOU KNOW, SCHOOL WISE, OUR AREA HAS BEEN REDISTRICTED SO MANY TIMES TO GO, OH, YOU'RE [02:05:08] GOING TO GO TO MEL HIGH. YOU'RE GOING TO GO TO THIS SCHOOL, YOU'RE GOING TO GO TO THAT SCHOOL. AND IT ALWAYS COMES DOWN TO, DO YOU KNOW THAT COMING OUT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU CAN ONLY GO EAST. AND WE'RE LUCKY TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT IN ANY SPEED TODAY, WITH ALL THE TRAFFIC COMING FROM THE PARKWAY. SO I THINK YOU SHOULD STUDY IT SOME MORE. I'M NOT SAYING NO. AND I'M A FIRM BELIEVER IN PEOPLE'S RIGHT TO DO WITH THEIR PROPERTY AS THEY PLEASE, AS LONG AS IT'S NOT IMPACTING THE ENVIRONMENT OR THEIR NEIGHBORS. AND I THINK THIS IS GOING TO IMPACT THE NEIGHBORS MORE THAN YOU CAN IMAGINE. SO I APPRECIATE YOU LETTING ME GO ALONG. I APPRECIATE YOU LISTENING. AND I'M READY TO GO TO BED OF ALL 30S. BUT THAT'S ALL GOOD. MY WIFE WAS JUST LIKE IN A BONUS FOR A FOUL. I GOT A QUICK QUESTION FOR FENDI, IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT. NOW. YEAH, AND HOPEFULLY YOU CAN ANSWER. IF YOU CAN'T, MAYBE WE'LL GET BACK, GET BACK WITH ME AND STUFF. I MEAN, I'VE BEEN ON NORFOLK PARKWAY AND IT JUST SEEMED LIKE THE TRAFFIC IS ATROCIOUS. AND I KNOW I HAD A MEETING A FEW YEARS AGO ABOUT THE EXTENSION AND OPENING UP TO SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY, BUT IT APPEARS LIKE THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. WHAT IS THE THE MASTER PLAN HERE WITH WITH JUST A TWO LANE ROAD, WITH WITH ALL THE I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, AGAIN, THE TRAFFIC TO ME IS A MAJOR ISSUE WITH NO, YOU KNOW, NO END IN SIGHT WHEN IT COMES TO THE ALLEVIATING THAT TRAFFIC, ALLEVIATING THAT TRAFFIC. SO WE'RE WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPER AND WEST MELBOURNE AND BREVARD COUNTY ON ALL THOSE ISSUES RIGHT NOW. YEAH, THE THE INTENT HERE IS THAT THE EXTENSION OF THE CURRENT DEAD END OF NORFOLK WILL OCCUR. FIRST, THEY ARE WRAPPING UP THEIR TRAFFIC STUDY RIGHT NOW TO DETERMINE THE THRESHOLDS OF WHEN ANY EXTENSION OF THE NORFOLK PARKWAY TO THE WEST WILL OCCUR. SO THOSE THINGS ARE ARE ALL IN MOTION RIGHT NOW, AND THAT WILL ALL BE ADDRESSED IN THE DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT. WHEN THAT COMES BACK TO CITY COUNCIL AS TO THEIR REQUIREMENTS TO MAKE ANY IMPROVEMENTS AND THE TIMING AT WHICH THOSE WILL BE DONE. SO THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO SORT OF PREVIEW WITH COUNCIL. THIS IS SORT OF A STEP ONE, A THAT TAKES A LITTLE BIT LONGER IN TIME. AND SO THAT'S WHY THAT'S MOVING FORWARD. THIS IS THE ONLY PIECE OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S NOT ALREADY IN THE CITY OF MELBOURNE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S UNDERSTANDING THAT ALL OF THAT GRAY AREA LABELED THE PLOT RANCH IS IN THE CITY OF MELBOURNE AND HAS BEEN FOR A WHILE. SO THERE'S THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT CREATING NEW ENCLAVE COMPLEXITIES OR ANYTHING STATUTORILY THAT WE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, VIOLATING. THIS IS ALL ALREADY IN THE CITY OF MELBOURNE. NOT THAT UNUSUAL TO HAVE IN PARTICULARLY IN OUR AREA, A LOT OF DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS BETWEEN MELBOURNE, WEST MELBOURNE, PALM BAY. WE WE SEE THIS QUITE OFTEN. YEAH. AND I AND I THINK AND I DON'T IT'S BEEN A COUPLE OF YEARS, BUT I REMEMBER THE I THINK ONE OF THE DEVELOPERS, THEY WANTED THE CITY OF MELBOURNE TO, TO PUT THAT ROAD IN, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY. BUT IF MEMORY SERVES ME CORRECTLY, AND I DON'T THINK WE WERE LOOKING INTO PUTTING THAT THAT ROAD IN BECAUSE AT THE TIME, I THINK IT WAS WHAT, $10 MILLION? SO I DON'T SEE WHY THE CITY OF MELBOURNE WOULD PONY UP THE ROAD FOR A DEVELOPER TO BUILD MORE HOUSES. SO I'M REALLY I'M JUST GOING TO BE ON RECORD THAT. I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC THERE. I'VE HEARD FROM A LOT OF THE RESIDENTS THERE THAT LIVED IN THERE, AND I GUESS UNCERTAIN TIMES. IT'S HARD TO GET OUT TO EVEN WICKHAM ROAD. YOU CAN'T EVEN GET OUT RIGHT IN THE. YEAH. AND LIKE I SAID, THE TRAFFIC STUDY IS VERY CLOSE TO TO BEING FINISHED. AND THAT WILL ADDRESS AND THEY'LL BE REQUIRED TO MAKE ANY OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS WITH THE PROJECT, EVEN PRIOR TO THE TRAFFIC STUDY BEING DONE. I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO PUT YOU GUYS ON THE SPOT TO COME UP AND SPEAK, BUT I KNOW THAT THERE IS THERE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSIONS BETWEEN THE DEVELOPER AND THE CITY OF WEST MELBOURNE. THERE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING TO NORFOLK PARKWAY, THE SEGMENT THERE THAT'S IN WEST MELBOURNE. THERE ARE PLANS. I'M LOOKING FOR A NOD THAT I CAN SAY THERE ARE PLANS TO FOUR-LANE THAT, TO ADD ADDITIONAL LANES AND TO DO INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS THAT AT MINTON AND NORFOLK PARKWAY. SO THAT WILL ADDRESS SOME OF [02:10:03] THOSE CONCERNS. OR MELBOURNE WOULD NOT BE SIGNING OUR WEST MELBOURNE WOULD NOT BE SIGNING ON BOARD TO, TO TO HAVE THIS EXTENSION DONE. HELLO. HI, MY NAME IS ANNA SAUNDERS WITH L G A. I'M A CIVIL ENGINEER REPRESENTING THE PROJECT AND ECHOING WHAT MISS LAMBE JUST SAID. THE TRAFFIC STUDY OUTLINES AND IT IS CURRENTLY UNDER REVIEW. BREVARD COUNTY'S RECENTLY APPROVED IT. WEST MELBOURNE SIGNED OFF. I THINK WE'RE WAITING ON PALM BAY MAYBE. AND MELBOURNE JUST PROVIDED US. I THINK, WHAT WILL BE THEIR FINAL COMMENTS BEFORE WE GET THAT REPORT COMPLETELY FINALIZED AND BACK IN YOUR HANDS FOR APPROVAL. BUT THERE ARE VARIOUS COMPONENTS OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WILL BE REQUIRED AS DEVELOPMENT MOVES FORWARD. THOSE PHASED IMPROVEMENTS ARE IDENTIFIED IN THAT STUDY. AND I THINK, AS MISS DITTMER MENTIONED, THAT REPORT WILL ALSO BE PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND OUTLINED WITHIN IT. AND YOU'LL SEE THAT AT FUTURE MEETINGS, IF WE'RE SUCCESSFUL IN GAINING YOUR SUPPORT THIS EVENING. IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY FILLED OUT A FORM, CAN YOU FILL ONE OUT BEFORE YOU LEAVE? ABSOLUTELY. I DIDN'T REALIZE THE APPLICANT HAD TO, SO I APOLOGIZE, BUT I WILL FILL IT OUT AND TURN IT IN RIGHT BEFORE I LEAVE. YES, MA'AM. START OVER. OKAY. AND THEN SO WE'LL THE NEXT THING WE'LL HAVE A TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO LOOK AT CORRECT SOON. AND THAT'LL COME COLLECTIVELY WITH ALL OF THE REZONING, THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN. THAT WILL ALL COME BACK TO COUNCIL. THIS MAP AMENDMENT FOR THE UNINCORPORATED PIECE AND ITS ANNEXATION WILL ALL COME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL AT ONE TIME TO AND AGAIN, TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, AT THIS TIME, DO YOU KNOW OF ANY. ARE WE MOVING TOWARD GETTING SOME ROADWAY TO SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY? DOES ANYBODY EVEN KNOW THAT? I MIGHT LET THE THE APPLICANT. SO THERE ARE MULTIPLE SCENARIOS THAT ARE CONTEMPLATED IN THAT TRAFFIC STUDY AND OUTLINED WITHIN IT. AND THERE IS ONE OF THE SCENARIOS IS A CONNECTION TO THE PARKWAY. YES, SIR. BUT BUT I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY THAT THEY THAT'S SOMETHING. NOTHING'S BEEN SET IN STONE ON THAT OR ANYTHING WHATSOEVER. IT'S JUST A THEORY OR THE STUDY HAS NOT BEEN FINALIZED AND APPROVED BY ALL THE REVIEWING JURISDICTIONS. SO I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT. BUT IT IS IT IS CONTEMPLATED IN THE STUDY. YES, SIR. LET LET MY CONCERN BE KNOWN, AND I WAS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO CALL THE QUESTION. OKAY. THAT'S FINE. YEP. ALL RIGHT. MAYOR, MAKE A MOTION FOR THE APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION NUMBER 4412. BASED UPON THE FINDINGS CONTAINED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEMORANDUM. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I WILL VOTE AYE AT THIS TIME. THE MOTION PASSES, BUT IT WILL BE COMING BACK TO US AND WE CAN REVIEW THE DOCUMENTS. I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT AT THIS TIME. OKAY. THANK YOU. [16. Amendment to Melbourne City Code, Chapter 54, Economic Development Tax Exemption Program, Section 54-146 and Ad Valorem Tax Exemption Program Guidelines.] MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 16. THIS IS GOING TO BE ORDINANCE NUMBER 20 2617, CITY ATTORNEY, ORDINANCE NUMBER 20 2617. AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA RELATING TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AD VALOREM TAX EXEMPTIONS, MAKING FINDINGS, AMENDING CHAPTER 54 OF THE CITY CODE ENTITLED TAXATION AMENDING SECTION 54 146 DEFINITIONS PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND INTERPRETATION, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND PROVIDING AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE. THANK YOU, MISS DITTMER. YES. SO THIS IS A REQUEST FOR TWO DIFFERENT APPROVAL ACTIONS THIS EVENING. THE ORDINANCE IS TO AMEND SECTION 50 4-1 46 OF THE CITY CODE TO UPDATE THE FLORIDA STATUTE REFERENCES THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN CHAPTER 54. AND THEN THE SECOND ACTION IS A ACTION OF A RESOLUTION TO ADJUST THE ANNUAL AVERAGE WAGE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE CITY'S AD VALOREM TAX ABATEMENT PROGRAM. THESE CHANGES ARE IN RESPONSE TO THE WAGES, WITH THE UPDATED WAGE THRESHOLDS THRESHOLDS, WHICH BECAME EFFECTIVE THIS YEAR. SO BOTH OF THESE ARE REGARDING OUR AD VALOREM TAX ABATEMENT PROGRAM. THAT'S WHAT'S CONTAINED IN THE CHAPTER 54 SECTION. WE'VE HAD THE PROGRAM SINCE EARLY 2000. THE VOTERS HAVE RE-APPROVED THIS PROGRAM TWO DIFFERENT TIMES NOW. YEP. THAT'S RIGHT. AND SO BASICALLY TONIGHT, PRIMARILY WE'RE COMING TO CHANGE THE WAGE ADJUSTMENTS. THAT'S WHAT GOES THROUGH OUR CRITERIA. WE ALSO FOUND THERE WAS A STATUTE REFERENCE THAT NOW WAS OUTDATED. SO THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE AN ORDINANCE. ALL WE'RE REALLY DOING IS REVISING THE STATUTORY REFERENCE. AND THE STATE REVISED THE TARGET INDUSTRY BUSINESSES WITHIN FLORIDA STATUTE. 288 .05 THIS ORDINANCE WILL JUST CLARIFY AND HAVE THAT NEW REFERENCE. THE STATE DID IDENTIFY TARGET INDUSTRIES AND SECTOR SPECIFIC TARGET INDUSTRIES INDUSTRIES AT THIS POINT. AND SO WE'LL NOW BE REFERENCING THE CORRECT SECTION OF STATUTE. AND THEN REGARDING [02:15:06] THE WAGE UPDATES, FLORIDA COMMERCE CALCULATES THE AVERAGE ANNUAL WAGES WITHIN THE STATE FOR EACH COUNTY. THE WE UTILIZE THESE AVERAGE WAGE FIGURES IN OUR AD VALOREM TAX ABATEMENT GUIDELINES. THAT'S HOW WE DETERMINE WHEN A COMPANY DOES COME UP AND ASK FOR THIS INCENTIVE PROGRAM. DEPENDING ON THEIR CAPITAL INVESTMENT, THE SALARY, AND THEN THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES, THOSE ARE ALL FACTORS THAT PLAY INTO OUR GUIDELINES. SO WE NEED TO KEEP THE WAGE INFORMATION UPDATED AS OFTEN AS POSSIBLE. WE HADN'T RECEIVED ANY UPDATES IN A COUPLE OF YEARS. SO THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT WE HAVE THAT COMING BACK TO US. SO STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL ORDINANCE NUMBER 2026 DASH 17, ALONG WITH APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION NUMBER 4413. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS DITTMER MAYOR? GO AHEAD. MOTION FOR THE APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 2026 DASH 17. SECOND, ACTUALLY, HOLD ON ONE SECOND. OH, WE HAVE THINGS TO DO. OH WE DO DO WE HAVE ANY SIGN UP SHEETS? HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING. GET BACK TO YOU. ALL RIGHT. LET'S TRY THIS AGAIN. MOTION FOR THE APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 2026 DASH 17, SECOND MOTION A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THAT MOTION PASSES. MAYOR. MOTION FOR THE APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION NUMBER 4413. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION BY MR. SMITH. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE [17. Discussion of Downtown Melbourne CRA Small Business Workshop.] AYE, AND THAT MOTION PASSES. ITEM NUMBER 17. IT'S ME AGAIN. SORRY. SO STAFF WANTED TO JUST SORT OF BRING BACK TO COUNCIL A RECAP OF SOME OF THE SMALL BUSINESS DISCUSSION THAT COUNCIL HAD. IF YOU RECALL, BACK IN OCTOBER, COUNCIL HAD GAVE DIRECTION TO STAFF TO LOOK AT POTENTIAL BUSINESS INCENTIVES PROGRAMS WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN MELBOURNE CRA. SO ON FEBRUARY 10TH, WE DID HOLD A WORKSHOP, HAD A VERY LARGE ATTENDANCE, ALMOST 40 PARTICIPANTS, AND GATHERED A LOT OF INPUT FROM OUR LOCAL DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES AND STAKEHOLDERS ABOUT THEIR THOUGHTS REGARDING SMALL BUSINESS PROGRAMS AND OTHER THINGS THAT WERE ALSO BROUGHT UP AT THE MEETING. THE COMMUNICATION CITY STAFF. WE SENT OUT THE OLD SNAIL MAIL IN THE MAIL. WE DID A LOT OF IN-PERSON DROPPING OFF OF THE FLIERS THAT YOU SEE HERE. WE ALSO UTILIZE WITH MELBOURNE MAIN STREET, THEIR THEIR EMAIL OUTREACH. AND WITH THAT, LIKE I SAID, WE DID HAVE A PRETTY GOOD ATTENDANCE WITH THAT DURING THE WORKSHOP. WE DID. DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HEARD ABOUT MINTY POLE. YOU GET YOUR PHONE, DO THE QR CODE SO THAT WE COULD GET SOME FEEDBACK, YOU KNOW, FROM THE RESPONDENTS WHAT WE PUT IN THE PACKAGE JUST TO SORT OF GO OVER REAL QUICK. THE FIRST ONE THERE, THERE WAS A LOT OF WILLINGNESS OF THE BUSINESSES THAT WANTED TO PARTICIPATE IN SOME TYPE OF INCENTIVE PROGRAM, 91%. THE SECOND GRAPH ON THE BOTTOM THERE, THE THE HIGHEST THING THAT STOOD OUT THERE. AND AGAIN, I SAID THERE WERE A LOT OF COMMENTS THAT MAYBE WEREN'T SPECIFIC TO A SMALL BUSINESS PROGRAM, BUT WERE OTHER THINGS MAYBE AFFECTING THEIR BUSINESS, 60% LACK OF FOOT TRAFFIC. BUT IF YOU SEE THE LAST TWO CIRCLES THERE, I'M NOT SURE WHY WE HAD THEM SEPARATED, BUT WHEN YOU ADD THE TWO TOGETHER, 32% SAID LIMITED ACCESS TO CAPITAL IS WHAT THEY WERE SEEING. AS WE GET TO THE TO THE NEXT ONE, THE TOP ONE THERE, WHAT ARE THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES THAT THEY FACE? 65% WAS A LACK OF AWARENESS OF AVAILABLE PROGRAMS FOR BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT. AND THE NEXT ONE DOWN THERE, THE TWO TO THE FAR LEFT WERE BASICALLY A FINANCIAL GRANT QUESTIONS. SO WE HAD ABOUT 46% THAT HAD AN INTEREST IN THAT. THE THIRD AND FOURTH CIRCLES THERE, THOSE WERE BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT AND TRAINING AND WORKFORCE TRAINING. THEY HAD A RELATIVELY SMALLER RESPONSE THAT THERE WOULD BE INTEREST IN THOSE I ALSO PUT IN HERE, AND YOU CAN'T READ THEM ON THE SCREEN, BUT THEY WERE IN YOUR PACKAGE. WE DID HAVE AT THE END JUST SORT OF A FREE FOR ALL. WHAT DO YOU WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SAY TO THE CITY? THOSE ARE SORT OF ALL OVER THE PLACE. BUT THERE WERE A FEW, YOU KNOW, THEMES. ONE OF THEM ACTUALLY SUGGESTED THAT I ONE OF THE IDEAS THAT WE CAME UP WITH WAS HOSTING BUSINESS SUPPORT EXPO, BRINGING TOGETHER RESOURCES. I ASKED MY STAFF, DID ONE OF US PUT THAT IN OR. NO, IT WAS ACTUALLY SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, OUT IN THE AUDIENCE THAT PUT THAT IN SOME OF THE THEMES OF [02:20:03] THE COMMENTS THAT WE HEARD THAT WERE SORT OF THE OTHER CATEGORY, THE NEED FOR MORE EVENTS DOWNTOWN TO DRIVE MORE FOOT TRAFFIC, TO BRING PEOPLE TO THE DOWNTOWN AREA. WORKING ON THE APPEARANCE, THE PERCEPTION OF THE DOWNTOWN AREA, WHICH WE'RE DOING LOTS OF THINGS, YOU KNOW, IN THAT AREA AS WELL. AND THEN THERE WERE A LOT OF COMMENTS. AND THIS UNFORTUNATELY HAPPENED RIGHT DURING WHEN WE DID NOT HAVE A MELBOURNE MAIN STREET EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR. AND SO A LOT OF THE COMMENTS AT THE MEETING WERE ABOUT RELATIONSHIP WITH WITH MELBOURNE MAIN STREET. WE NOW HAVE OUR NEW DIRECTOR, EMIL HAD LOOKS LIKE HE HAD TO LEAVE, BUT HE WAS HERE FOR A GOOD PART OF THE MEETING. WE YOU KNOW, I THINK HE CAME ON BOARD MAYBE THE WEEK AFTER THAT. SO SOME OF THE COMMENTS WERE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE MELBOURNE MAIN STREET PROGRAM. BUT THERE, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS THE THEME OF THE NEED FOR OBTAINING INFORMATION ABOUT BUSINESS ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS AND HOW TO GAIN ACCESS TO CAPITAL FOR BUSINESSES. SO FUTURE ACTIONS THAT STAFF'S LOOKING TOWARDS IS WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS AFTER THE WORKSHOP. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WORKED WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IS WE APPROACH THIS WORKSHOP AND AFTERWARDS WE HAVE TO BE VERY CONSIDERATE IN MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO UTILIZE OUR CRA DOLLARS APPROPRIATELY AS ALLOWED BY FLORIDA STATUTE. SO THAT'S A FINE LINE THAT THAT WE CAN'T CROSS. AND WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO THAT. SO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT STAFF WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT MOVING FORWARD WITH IS WE WANT TO HAVE A MEETING, BASICALLY THAT THAT SORT OF THAT EXPO COMMENT WHERE WE BRING IN SBDC, WE VENTURE ALL OF THE VARIOUS SMALL BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, ENTITIES THAT ARE OUT THERE AND BRING THEM TO A MEETING THAT'S RIGHT HERE IN DOWNTOWN, GET OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY TO COME IN AND HAVE SOME TYPE OF, YOU KNOW, FUN SORT OF WORKSHOP FOR THEM TO COME IN AND LEARN ABOUT THE PROGRAMS AND SEE HOW THEY CAN ACCESS THEM. THAT DEFINITELY SEEMED LIKE A THEME THAT CAME OUT OF THE THE WORKSHOP. ADDITIONALLY, WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON ENHANCING OUR, OUR WEBSITE, GETTING SOME MORE INFORMATION THAT'S READILY ACCESSIBLE OUT THERE FOR OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY CITYWIDE, NOT NECESSARILY JUST FOR DOWNTOWN. WE DO HAVE MELBOURNE MAIN STREET. WE'LL HAVE THEIR BIANNUAL STAKEHOLDER MEETING. WE'VE SET THE DATE FOR APRIL 23RD. THAT JUST HAPPENED A FEW DAYS AGO THAT WE ESTABLISHED THAT DATE. AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO UPDATE BUSINESS OWNERS ON A LOT OF THOSE OTHER THINGS, YOU KNOW, THAT WERE BROUGHT UP. AND WHERE WE'RE AT WITH SOME OF THOSE IN MELBOURNE, MAIN STREET WILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO UPDATE, YOU KNOW, ON WHAT THEIR INITIATIVES ARE AS WELL. AND THEN THE LAST BULLET THERE IS WE WANT TO LOOK AT HOW TO TRYING TO ADDRESS THE CAPITAL ACCESS NEEDS THAT THAT SOME OF THE BUSINESSES THEN WERE REPORTING TO. SO IN ADDITION TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE HAD ON THE POLE AND IN TALKING WITH PEOPLE, PARTICULARLY AFTER THE WORKSHOP THAT WE'RE HERE, AS WELL AS PEOPLE THAT WE TALK TO, YOU KNOW, ON A REGULAR DAILY BASIS DOWNTOWN, THERE'S DEFINITELY THOSE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO MOVE MY BUSINESS INTO DOWNTOWN, BUT THE LANDLORD WOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, PUT IN AN EXTRA BATHROOM OR THEY WOULDN'T DO THIS. AND I DIDN'T HAVE THE CAPITAL TO DO THAT. SO THERE WERE A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS THAT HAVE LED US TO WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING IS A, A STEP FORWARD REGARDING A NEW PROGRAM OR A CHANGE IN A PROGRAM. WHAT WE'D LIKE TO PROPOSE IS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE A FACADE IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM IN DOWNTOWN, BUT SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE WERE HEARING, AGAIN, WERE REALLY MORE ABOUT THOSE INTERIOR BUILDING KIND OF IMPROVEMENTS, YOU KNOW, THE EXTRA BATHROOMS SO THAT YOU CAN EXPAND OCCUPANCY, THE ADA ACCESS INTO THE PROPERTY OR INTO THE BATHROOMS THAT ARE LIMITING, YOU KNOW, A NEW BUSINESS COMING IN OR AN EXISTING BUSINESS THAT WANTS TO EXPAND, YOU KNOW, SQUARE FOOTAGE OR USE OR THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT THEY'RE LIMITED BECAUSE THEY MAY NOT HAVE SOME OF THAT CAPITAL TO DO THAT. ALL OF THESE THINGS SORT OF, YOU KNOW, I THINK I'VE GONE THROUGH A COUPLE OF THEM. YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S A PLUMBING PROBLEM, AN ELECTRICAL PROBLEM, SOME FLORIDA BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENT THAT THEY'RE THEY CAN'T GET PAST WITHOUT MAKING THAT IMPROVEMENT. ALL OF THESE THINGS, I THINK, WILL HELP THE CRA ACHIEVE MORE OF OUR REDEVELOPMENT PLAN GOALS, ACTIVATING SOME OF OUR VACANT PROPERTIES, ENCOURAGING NEW BUSINESS, NEW JOB CREATION, SUPPORT OUR LOCAL ENTREPRENEURS AND BUSINESSES, LIKELY ENHANCING THE FUNCTIONALITY OF SOME OF THESE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES THAT HAVE MAY BE SET FOR A WHILE AND HAVE SOME OF THESE PROBLEMS. AND THEN OVERALL, JUST TRYING TO BOOST [02:25:03] THE THE LOCAL TAX BASE FOR THE CITY AND THE MORE BUSINESSES WE CAN BRING DOWNTOWN, THE MORE FOOT TRAFFIC THAT WE'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, JUST PERPETUATE WITH THOSE BUSINESSES. SO HAPPY TO TALK WITH COUNCIL ABOUT WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE AND WHAT WHAT DIRECTION YOU'D LIKE US TO HEAD. OKAY, WE'LL JUST START. YOU WANT TO START? WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK YOU ESPECIALLY FOR THIS LIST HERE. I KIND OF TRIAL BALLOONED IT ACROSS A FEW BUSINESS OWNERS DOWNTOWN AND HOPEFULLY POTENTIAL BUSINESS OWNERS DOWNTOWN. AND EVERYONE SEEMED TO THINK THAT SOMETHING THAT COULD HELP, YOU KNOW, THE FUNCTIONALITY OF THESE PROPERTIES, GETTING THEM UP TO STANDARDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD BE A HUGE HELP. AND IT'S A HUGE BARRIER TO BUSINESS BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME VERY OLD BUILDINGS. I MEAN, IT IS HISTORIC DOWNTOWN MELBOURNE, SO I THINK THAT'S FANTASTIC. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE MORE OF THAT. AND THEN ALSO JUST THANK YOU FOR PUTTING TOGETHER THOSE MEETINGS, ESPECIALLY I KNOW THE ONE ON THE 23RD AND THINGS LIKE THAT. YOU GUYS, I'M HEARING COMPLIMENTS ABOUND ABOUT YOUR YOUR NEWER STAFF MEMBERS. I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE NEW WEARS OFF, BUT THEY'RE GETTING A LOT, A LOT OF COMPLIMENTS RIGHT NOW AS WELL AS YOURSELF. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR EVERYTHING YOU'RE DOING. THANK YOU. OKAY, THIS WAS THIS WAS REALLY GOOD. AND I'M GLAD TO SEE A LOT OF GREAT IDEAS AND THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT STAFF IS DOING. AND IT'S FUNNY, YOU'RE RIGHT. WHEN IS THE NEW WEAR OFF? AND YOU KNOW, AND YOU HAVE THIS, THIS DYNAMIC WITH STAFF WITH ROBERT AND CARMEN AND CINDY WITH THE SAGE EXPERIENCE. AND SO IT'S JUST REALLY THINGS ARE REALLY STARTING TO, TO SHIFT. BUT I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS BECAUSE WHEN I ORIGINALLY PROPOSED THIS, I WAS PROPOSING A SMALL BUSINESS INCENTIVE GRANT PROGRAM BASED VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT THE CITY OF COCOA HAS DONE FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS, AND USING CRA FUNDING. AND WHILE THIS. WHILE THIS IS DEFINITELY A GOOD AND AN EXPANSION. BUT. AND I GO BACK TO MY. WHEN I BROUGHT IT UP TO THE DOWNTOWN CRA ADVISORY BOARD, THE FACADE PROGRAM IS STILL A REIMBURSABLE PROGRAM, BUT I STILL FEEL LIKE WE NEED SOME TYPE OF PROGRAM TO BE A CATALYST TO INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO START BUSINESS HERE AND NOT JUST RENOVATE. OR DO I LOVE TO HEAR THE FACT THAT AS OPPOSED TO JUST THE FACADE PROGRAM BEING THE OUTSIDE THE EXTERIOR, WE ALSO WILL POTENTIALLY EXPAND IT TO WHERE THEY COULD DO SOME STUFF ON THE INTERIOR, BUT IT'S STILL NOT MEETING THE, THE, THE INTENT THAT I SORT OF HAD WHEN I ORIGINALLY PROPOSED THIS, WHICH WAS IN ADDITION TO A FACADE PROGRAM, LOOKING AT WHAT WE VENTURE OFFERS, THE TIME I HAD, THE TIME I SPENT AS THE PROGRAM DIRECTOR OF SBDC, AND REALIZING THAT BUSINESSES JUST REALLY DON'T HAVE A WAY TO GET. EVEN IF I HAVE THE RESOURCES TO GET STARTED, IF I HAVE A WAY TO TRAIN AND ALSO IMPROVE MY SCALABILITY, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT SBDC SCORE AND WE VENTURE OFFERS IN PARTICULAR, WE VENTURE DOES A GREAT JOB AT IT. AND THEN I COME OUT OF THAT AND THEN I'M INCENTIVIZED AND I HAVE FUNDING THAT'S GOING TO ENCOURAGE ME TO GO TO THE NEXT STEP. THAT'S WE'RE STILL NOT MEETING THE INTENT AS TO THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL, BUT I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE TAKING A LOOK AT ARE GOING TO BE MAKE US STRONGER AND, AND MORE VISIBILITY. SO YEAH, REAL QUICK AND I HAVE A COMMENT. MY CONCERN IS THIS BECAUSE IT'S REALLY PICKING THE WINNERS AND LOSERS THAT THAT'S MY ISSUE WITH WITH, WITH THIS, THE FACT THAT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE OUTSIDE FACADE, YOU TALK ABOUT MOVING IT INSIDE LIKE AN INTERIOR FACADE. I LOVE THE IDEA, BUT WHERE DO WE GET THAT KIND OF MONEY? AND YOU TALK ABOUT LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE MY SAFE FLORIDA HOME GRANT, THE IT'S THERE. YOU HEAR IT. ALL I HEAR FROM PEOPLE IS LIKE, IT'S, IT'S HARD TO GET THE MONEY. I GOT TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND THE MONEY'S ALREADY GONE. SO, I MEAN, HOW MUCH MONEY ARE WE ACTUALLY TALKING AND, AND CAN THAT MONEY BE USED IN INTO THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE CRA AND TO, TO, YOU KNOW, I JUST DON'T, YOU KNOW, I JUST DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE PAYING SOMEBODY TO PAINT THEIR BATHROOM INSIDE THEIR BUSINESS IN A CRA. YOU KNOW, THAT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD FOR, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE DEALING WITH THE COUNTY, DEALING WITH CRA, THAT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD. DEFINITELY. WITH THE STATE OF FLORIDA, WHEN WE'RE DEALING WITH CRA AND. AND WE'RE ALL PRO CRAS AND YOU KNOW, MOST OF THEM ARE ANTI CRAS. I JUST I LIKE THIS IDEA, YOU KNOW, BUT I'M REALLY CONCERNED. WHERE'S THE MONEY COMING FROM? I MEAN, WE'RE TRYING TO FIND MONEY TO PAVE A DIRT ROAD. AND THEN NOW, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT MONEY. I BELIEVE ME, I'M TOTALLY AWARE WITH THE CRA MONEY. MY POINT IS, AND YOU KNOW, YOU'RE YOU'RE THE ACCOUNTANT. MISS HANLEY, HOW MUCH MONEY IS THIS? AND WHERE ARE WE GETTING IT? LET'S SEE. THE CRA MONEY IS IS A SEPARATE FUND. SO YOU KNOW THAT YOU'RE TALKING GENERAL FUND. I MEAN, SURE, WE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE IT OUT, TAKE THINGS OUT OF THE CRA AND DO OTHER THINGS. BUT BUT [02:30:01] BUT BUT AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I HAVE MOMENTS WITH THAT. BUT ARE WE UPDATING IT? AND I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT BECAUSE IT IS A SMALL, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TAKING MONEY TO DO A PRIVATE BUSINESS AND I DO HAVE MONEY. I HAVE ISSUE WITH THAT. BUT SOME OF THESE BUSINESSES ARE SOME OF THESE BUILDINGS ARE SO OLD INSIDE THAT THE COST OF THIS IS SO ASTRONOMICAL. CORRECT. BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE PLUMBING THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO IN THERE WOULD BE THEY'RE GOING TO BE JACKING SOME FLOORS UP. AND THAT'S NOT A CHEAP, A CHEAP SITUATION WHEN THEY'RE JACKING, JACKING THE, YOU KNOW, JACKHAMMERING THE FLOORS. SO I'M NOT TOTALLY FOR IT AND I'M NOT TOTALLY AGAINST IT. I'D LIKE TO KNOW MORE INFORMATION. NOW, ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW ABOUT IS WITH THE CRA. AND I'VE DONE. WE'VE ALL LOOKED AROUND AT DIFFERENT THINGS WITH DIFFERENT. CRAS IS LIKE SOME OF THE EMPTY BUILDINGS. JUST LOOK, YOU KNOW, IT'S COMING. PAPERS COMING OFF OF IT. AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN OTHER CRAS THAT DO NOT ALLOW THOSE TYPE. IF IF IT'S AN EMPTY BUILDING, THEY HAVE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF GREEN, LIKE A SCREEN OR COVER. IT'S GOT TO BE A LITTLE MORE ATTRACTIVE LOOKING. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY THE RIGHT WORD. I WANT TO PUT IT A LITTLE TIRED, YOU KNOW, LIKE MAYBE LOOKING LIKE SPRINGTIME OR SOME OR LOOKING LIKE SOMETHING FROM SOMETHING ATTRACTIVE. NOT JUST THIS BOARDED UP LOOK THAT MAKES IT DULL. RIGHT? AND THAT'S AN ISSUE THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR A GOOD YEAR AND A HALF FOR THE VACANT PROPERTIES, THE PROPERTIES THAT CAN BE SITTING THERE. I MEAN, THAT'S A BIG ONE. WE'VE BEEN DOING MORE CODE ENFORCEMENT. IN FACT, I THINK WE HAVE ANOTHER WALK WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT HERE COMING UP. WE'VE BEEN REGULARLY GOING THROUGH FINDING LIKE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE THINGS, PARTICULARLY THOSE PROPERTIES THEN THAT ARE JUST SITTING THERE. THE PROPERTY OWNER DOESN'T LOOK LIKE MAYBE THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, PUTTING A LOT OF ATTENTION INTO IT. BUT WE'VE ALSO RECENTLY WITH THE NEW MELBOURNE MAIN STREET DIRECTOR TALKED EXACTLY ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S IN THE WINDOWS. I DON'T WANT TO GET OUT AHEAD OF MELBOURNE MAIN STREET AND SOME OF THOSE IDEAS, BUT THAT IS A PROBLEM THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP A LOT AND THAT ALL OF US WANT TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO SOLVE. AND MELBOURNE MAIN STREET MAY HAVE A WAY TO STEP IN. WE DON'T HAVE A CODE THAT SAYS YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO PUT BROWN PAPER IN YOUR WINDOW WHEN IT'S VACANT. THAT. SO OUR DIFFICULTY IS THE CITY TO ENFORCE SOMETHING. CAN WE DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT? SO WE'RE GOING TO. YEAH, APPROACH IT FROM THE OTHER SIDE. IN MELBOURNE. MAIN STREET HAS THAT ABILITY TO TO DO THAT TO OTHER CITIES THAT THEY DON'T ALLOW. JUST A LITTLE, LIKE YOU SAID, THE BROWN PAPER. I MEAN, MAYBE TEMPORARY, YOU KNOW, 30 DAY TEMPORARILY, BUT ANYTHING OVER THAT THEY HAVE TO DO SOME DECORATIVE SITUATIONS. CAN WE DO THAT HERE IN THE CRA? BECAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD HELP. IT WOULD BRING THE EVERYDAY PEOPLE COMING FOR LUNCH. I'M GOING TO SAY THE LUNCH CROWD, YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS IT BRINGS PEOPLE TO LOOK. WELL MISS, MISS HANLEY AND I, I HATE TO SAY THIS TO YOU, BUT YOU PROVED MY POINT. AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT. THAT'S NOT COST US ANY ADDITIONAL MONEY, BUT IT'S JUST THE CONCEPT. I AGREE. INSTEAD OF AN OLD BROWN PAPER, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN THERE'S CERTAIN ONE DOWN THERE. I THINK IT'S. AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL, I THINK IT'S HAD THAT GREEN PAPER, THAT GREEN SILICONE PAPER THAT IT'S HALF ON AND HALF OFF THAT RIGHT NOW. I DON'T GO ANYWHERE BUT A PLACE ON WICKHAM ROAD. BUT IT'S THAT TIME OF THE YEAR. YEAH. BUT, BUT I, YOU KNOW, I DO GO DOWN THERE A LOT AND IT'S JUST WE NEED TO LOOK AT THOSE THINGS. BUT HOW ABOUT IF WE LOOK AT WITH LOOKING AT THE PLUMBING, I'M GOING TO LOOK AT THE PLUMBING ISSUE. LET'S SAY WE SAY PLUMBING. IS THERE ANY OTHER CRAS DO WE KNOW OF THAT HELPS THE BUSINESSES, LIKE WITH THE INTERIOR HELPING THIS TYPE OF PROGRAM? YES, THERE'S IT'S VERY COMMON TO HAVE A FACADE IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM AND THEY CALL IT VARIOUS DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT BUILDING INTERIOR, CAN WE PROGRAM? DO YOU HAVE SOME THAT YOU COULD JUST EMAIL US? SO HERE'S WHAT WHAT STAFF IS THINKING. WE ALREADY HAVE A FACADE PROGRAM. WE HAVE APPLICATIONS. WE HAVE A PROCESS. WE HAVE EVERYTHING ALREADY SET OUT. WE WERE LOOKING AT EXPANDING THAT TO THEN ALLOWING BOTH EXTERIOR FACADE AND INTERIOR THROUGH A SIMILAR PROGRAM. WE HAVE FUNDED 60 TO $80,000 A YEAR IN THE CRA BUDGET FOR THAT PROGRAM, FOR JUST THE FACADE PROGRAM IN PAST YEARS, SOME YEARS WE HAVEN'T EVEN USED ALL THAT MONEY. SO SORT OF MAYOR, TO YOUR POINT, YOU KNOW, WINNERS AND LOSERS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE OFTEN HAD MONEY SITTING THERE. SO THERE HASN'T BEEN, YOU KNOW, THAT STRONG PUSH. I THINK THIS PROGRAM [02:35:03] MIGHT ENLARGE THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WOULD LOOK TO MAYBE PUT MORE MONEY INTO THAT PROGRAM, YOU KNOW, THIS UPCOMING, YOU KNOW, BUDGET YEAR. I HAVE I HAVE THREE THINGS TO ADD. I'M GOING TO TRY TO LIMIT TO THREE THINGS. FIRST IS THE INTERIOR WOULD NOT BE FACADE IMPROVEMENTS. IT WOULDN'T BE PAINTING THE BUILDING. IT WOULD HAVE TO BE LIKE AN ADA UPGRADE OR PLUMBING, BRINGING UP PLUMBING, ELECTRICAL, UP TO CODE. AND WE ARE WE'RE FINDING THAT THAT IS WHAT'S STOPPING US. IT'S A BARRIER TO GET BUSINESSES TO OPEN UP. AND EVEN IF THAT BUSINESS WERE TO LEAVE, THEN IT STOPS SOMEONE FROM COMING IN AND BEING ABLE TO FILL THAT SPOT RECENTLY. SO THAT WAS ONE. TWO IS HOW MANY OF YOU WERE CONTACTED JUST RECENTLY ABOUT A NEWER BUSINESS THAT THEY ACTUALLY WERE LOCATING, RELOCATING FROM ONE LOCATION TO ANOTHER, THAT WE'RE HAVING THESE VERY ISSUES WITH THEIR PLUMBING AND THEIR ELECTRICAL AND BRINGING THAT UP TO CODE. AND THIS, IF THIS PROGRAM WERE OUT THERE, THIS COULD HAVE HELPED THEM MAKE ALL OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. SO THAT THAT, THAT TO ME IS AN IMPORTANT POINT. AND THEN LASTLY, I DID SPEAK TO VICE MAYOR KENNEDY ON MONDAY. SHE WANTED TO GO OVER THE AGENDA. SHE WANTED, YOU KNOW, SHE WANTED ME TO BRING UP ANYTHING THAT SHE HAD CONCERNS ABOUT. AND JUST FOR THE RECORD HERE, SHE DOES THINK SHE LIKES THE IDEA OF THIS PROGRAM. SO SHE DID TELL ME IF IT WAS CONVENIENT TO BRING THAT UP FOR HER, THAT SHE THOUGHT THAT WOULD HELP GET GET BUSINESSES TO MOVE INTO MAYBE SOME PLACES THAT HAVE BEEN VACANT. AND I WILL SAY, MISS LAMBE, FROM YOUR COMMENT, I STAND CORRECTED. I THINK THAT THE. THAT'D BE IT FOR FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, ALLOWING A BUSINESS TO, TO OPERATE. AND THEY IT'S A LOT OF MONEY. IT'S A LOT OF CAPITAL. AND MAYBE IN THAT I WOULD DEFINITELY SUPPORT THAT. WELL, EVEN OUR FACADE IMPROVEMENT IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM THAT'S EXISTING, YOU'RE NOT ELIGIBLE IF YOU JUST WANT TO PAINT YOUR BUILDING. CORRECT, YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY DO DIFFERENT ELEMENTS OF IMPROVEMENTS, YOU KNOW, TO BE ABLE TO QUALIFY FOR THAT. SO, SO WE DON'T LET YOU USE IT FOR JUST, YOU KNOW, AND UNDERSTAND. YEAH. AND WHAT AGAIN, WHAT MISS LAMBE SAID TO ME IS A BIG HURDLE. I HEAR PEOPLE WHEN THEY'RE TRYING TO GET IN SOMEWHERE TO GET IT UP TO CODE IS VERY EXPENSIVE. I'VE HEARD OF PEOPLE SPENDING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS BEFORE THEY EVEN OPEN THE DOOR, JUST TO TRY TO MAKE. AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ACTIVATING A STOREFRONT AND, YOU KNOW, SUPPORTING LOCAL ENTREPRENEURSHIP, THAT THAT'S WHAT I, I LIKE THAT IDEA. SO GO AHEAD REAL QUICK. AND THEN, OKAY, SO ONE, WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO, I'D LOVE TO MOVE TOGETHER FORWARD TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT THIS BUILDING IMPROVEMENT COMPONENT. WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOME AGAIN, WHAT'S THAT COST? IS THERE A CERTAIN BUDGET? WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE IF YOU GUYS CAN PROVIDE THAT? BUT SECONDLY, I REALLY WANT TO ALSO TALK ABOUT THIS, THIS CODE CONCERN THAT I'VE HEARD A MILLION TIMES WHEN I TALK TO DOWNTOWN BUSINESS OWNERS, WHICH IS OF HOW DOES A, AN EMPTY, VACANT STOREFRONT LOOK FROM THE OUTSIDE LOOKING IN? NOW, USUALLY THIS IS WHERE KEVIN OR NOT. KEVIN. I'M SORRY, THIS IS WHERE ADAM SLAPS ME DOWN. BUT WE DON'T HAVE ADAM TODAY. SO AND I'M WONDERING, IS THERE IS THERE A WAY FOR US TO A DIRECT STAFF TO MAKE A CODE CHANGE THAT COULD ALLOW US TO MAKE DOWNTOWN MORE APPEALING THROUGH, YOU KNOW, NOT ALLOWING OR HAVING MORE OF A SUGGESTED LOOK, RATHER, OF HOW THESE VACANT STOREFRONTS ARE. AND WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE FOR US TO CONSIDER? SURE, THERE ARE SOME CASES THAT ALLUDE TO THE FACT THAT ESTHETICS ARE A PUBLIC PURPOSE. A COMMUNITY HAS A PUBLIC PURPOSE AND HOW IT LOOKS AND MAKING IT ATTRACTIVE AND TO ATTRACT BUSINESS. SO I THINK IF THE DIRECTION IS, WE CAN CERTAINLY RESEARCH WHETHER THOSE TYPES OF ORDINANCES AND BRING BACK A REPORT AND SAY, YES, THESE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT YOU COULD LOOK AT IN CREATING ORDINANCES, BECAUSE YOU'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT ESTHETICS AT THAT POINT. RIGHT? OKAY. AND THERE WAS ACTUALLY CURRENTLY IN CHAPTER 20, AND WE'VE BEEN USING THIS A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE IT GIVES CODE ENFORCEMENT A LITTLE BIT MORE BREADTH. CHAPTER 20 COMMUNITY ESTHETICS. I FORGET THE SECTION, BUT IT'S SPECIFIC TO DOWNTOWN MELBOURNE AND IT WOULD SEEM LIKE THAT MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, AN AREA THAT WE COULD ADD IN ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, VACANT BUILDINGS AND THE CONDITION, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT THEY'RE IN. DURING THAT TIME, WE'VE TRIED LOOKING AROUND TO FIND SOME OTHER CRAS THAT MAYBE HAVE HAD SOME LANGUAGE LIKE THAT HAD NOT RUN ACROSS ANYTHING YET. BUT I THINK I, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS THE ATTORNEYS, YOU KNOW, TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND THINK THAT THAT'S AN OKAY EXPANSION. BUT BASICALLY RIGHT NOW, WHAT'S IN THERE IS JUST SOME EXPANSION OF LIKE, YOU CAN'T HAVE UN FINISHED WOOD, YOU KNOW, AN UNFINISHED BUILDING MATERIALS AND THINGS THAT AREN'T TYPICALLY IN CODE ENFORCEMENT, CODE ENFORCEMENTS, REGULAR, YOU [02:40:01] KNOW, TOOLS, BUT THAT'S LIKE AN EXTRA THING THAT WE SAY DOWNTOWN THAT YOU, YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW. SO IT MIGHT FIT APPROPRIATELY IN THAT SECTION OF CODE. DO YOU GUYS SEEM TO AGREE THAT WE SHOULD LOOK FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? BECAUSE I THINK, I THINK IT WILL HELP A LOT OF THE BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN THAT ARE ALREADY THERE. I KNOW THAT SOME OF THEM SAY HAVE SAID THINGS IN THE PAST TO THAT ABOUT THAT. IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF THEY LOOK SOME OF THEM LOOK KIND OF VERY BLIGHTED. OKAY. YES. REAL QUICK, IF WE COULD, WE DO HAVE ONE SPEAKER LET HER COME UP. THE GREAT LISA HARRIDAN, THE GREAT MONA LISA. HOW YOU DOING? DID SHE WRITE THAT DOWN THERE? DID YOU WRITE THAT? NO. YOU DIDN'T. HOW ARE YOU DOING, LISA? I THINK I'M GETTING HUNGRY. HOW ARE YOU GUYS? NEED TO LEAVE THE OTHER GUY. I JUST WANT TO START BY SAYING THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD A LENGTHY DISCUSSION ON THIS AT THE ADVISORY LEVEL YET, SO I KNOW CINDY'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE BRINGING THAT BACK TO US TO TALK ABOUT MORE. SO WHAT I'M BASING IT ON IS JUST WHAT I WAS ABLE TO PULL FROM THE PREVIOUS AGENDAS. SO I'M NOT SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE CRA ADVISORY. I AM MORE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF MYSELF, AND I PUT A LITTLE BIT OF WORK INTO THIS. WHEN MARCUS FIRST BROUGHT IT UP AND I DID MEET WITH CATHERINE AT. WE VENTURE EXTENSIVELY AND THE IDEA IN THE BEGINNING WAS MORE. AND I KNOW IT'S LIMITED. CRA CAN ONLY SPEND MONEY ON CERTAIN THINGS, SO. AND WE HAVEN'T HEARD OR BEEN DEFINED WITH THAT YET. BUT, YOU KNOW, A GOOD EXAMPLE WAS A RETAIL STORE THAT MIGHT HAVE A REALLY OLD POS SYSTEM AND THEY COULD EXPAND AND HIRE POTENTIALLY 5 TO 10 MORE EMPLOYEES IF THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO UPGRADE THEIR POS SYSTEM. BUT THAT MIGHT COST 7000 TO $7500. SO MAYBE THERE WOULD BE SOME SORT OF GRANT OR INCENTIVE TO HELP THAT BUSINESS GET TO THAT NEXT LEVEL. I MEAN, IDEALLY, THAT'S REALLY WHAT YOU WANT IS FOR THEM ALL TO BE REALLY SUCCESSFUL. SO, YOU KNOW, JUST INITIALLY LOOKING AT THIS, I KIND OF HAVE THE SAME FEELING. I MEAN, IF 65% OF THE PEOPLE AT THE WORKSHOP SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY NEED TO GET MORE PEOPLE IN THEIR DOOR, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN'T SEE WHAT'S INSIDE UNTIL THEY'RE ACTUALLY IN THE DOOR. SO I DON'T PERSONALLY FEEL LIKE THIS REALLY ADDRESSES THE BLIGHT AS MUCH BECAUSE THAT'S MORE OF AN OUTSIDE ISSUE. I 100% AGREE WITH WHAT YOU GUYS ARE SAYING ABOUT THE BAGS AND THE VACANCIES. I THINK IT'S TERRIBLE TOO. I KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE DID BRIEFLY DISCUSS WAS, YOU KNOW, THE POSSIBILITY THEY HAVE THOSE STICKERS THAT YOU PUT UP LIKE VIERA USES THEM ALL THE TIME. ANOTHER GREAT BUSINESS COMING SOON. SOMETHING THAT LIKE MOTIVATES AND GETS PEOPLE EXCITED. THAT WOULDN'T COST A TON OF MONEY TO PUT IN THE WINDOW INSTEAD OF PEELING PAPER. AND I KNOW THAT EVEN, YOU KNOW, WE WERE THINKING ABOUT DOING THAT IN OUR BUSINESS BECAUSE OUR PAPER IS PEELING AND LOOKS AWFUL, TO BE HONEST. BUT THE OTHER THING THAT I DON'T, I DON'T PERSONALLY LIKE ABOUT IT IS I THINK THAT THIS INCENTIVIZES CRAPPY LANDLORDS, EXCUSE MY LANGUAGE, BUT YOU KNOW, WHY ARE THESE LANDLORDS THAT ARE LETTING THEIR PLACES GET ALL DILAPIDATED GOING TO BE INCENTIVIZED TO GET PEOPLE IN THE DOOR WHEN BUSINESSES DO GO IN AND I'M ALL IN SUPPORT OF SMALL BUSINESSES, BUT WHEN THEY DO GO IN TO THIS, THEY HAVE TO REALIZE THE SPACE THAT THEY'RE RENTING, WHAT'S INCLUDED IN THEIR LEASE, WHAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THEIR LEASE, AND WHAT THAT EXPENSE IS GOING TO BE. AND THAT PUTS EVERYBODY ON AN EQUAL PLAYING FIELD. YOU KNOW, TO ME, IF YOU DON'T KNOW THAT GOING IN AND YOUR AGENT HASN'T ADVISED YOU, YOU MIGHT NOT WANT TO BE STARTING OFF A SMALL BUSINESS ON THAT FOOT. THAT'S YOU KNOW, JUST HOW I FEEL ABOUT THAT. AND SO I'D LIKE TO JUST SEE THIS LOOKED AT A LITTLE BIT DEEPER. I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY A LOT OF GREAT IDEAS. I JUST THINK IT NEEDS TO PROBABLY BE EXPANDED ON A LITTLE BIT MORE. YEAH. MAYOR GO AHEAD PLEASE. OKAY. GOING INTO THE CHAMBER THING LAST FALL AND THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN THAT CAME. HE WAS FROM THE FLOOR. HE WAS THE PRESIDENT OF THE FLORIDA CHAMBER, AND HE WE GOT TO LOOK AT WHAT KIND OF WHO'S SPENDING MONEY. AND THE ONE THING IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING IS THAT HE SAID, OUR 20 YEAR OLDS ARE LEAVING. THEY'RE LEAVING IN DROVES. THE. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE SAY THEY DON'T HAVE ANYBODY TO FIX ANYTHING BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL LEAVING. THE ONLY ONES THAT ARE COMING ARE THE RETIREES. BUT WE NEED TO BRING KEEP THOSE YOUNGER PEOPLE IN TO KEEP THE JOBS GOING. SO IF WE INCENTIVIZE THEM TO COME TO STAY HERE IN THE AREA, BECAUSE A LOT OF THEM SAY, WHY AM I HERE? THERE'S NOTHING TO DO. AND I'M NOT JUST SAYING MELBOURNE. I'M SAYING IN FLORIDA PER SE. BUT IF WE INVEST IN THERE SO THAT THERE IS THESE SMALLER BUSINESSES THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GO IN, AND WE WERE HAVING A LOT OF THERE WAS THE BEAD SHOP, THERE WAS THE PAINT SHOPS AND ALL THESE THINGS THAT PEOPLE WOULD COME DOWNTOWN FOR. THAT'S WHAT [02:45:02] WE WANT TO DO BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST KEEPING THIS SPOT, IT'S KEEPING THE WHOLE AREA. YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT BECAUSE AFTER GOING TO THAT LECTURE, IT WAS KIND OF LIKE YOU HAD TO THINK DIFFERENTLY OF HOW WE WE'VE ALWAYS DONE BECAUSE. SO I KNOW I HAVE A HARD TIME WITH THE ELECTRICAL AND YOU'RE LIKE, AND I'M NOT, AND I'M RIGHT WITH YOU. IT'S LIKE, DO YOU NOT KNOW, DID YOU NOT SIT DOWN AND DO THE PEN, PUT THE PEN AND PAPER TOGETHER? SO IT IS ONE OF THOSE HARD THINGS, BUT MAYBE WE HAVE TO DO THIS TO INCENTIVIZE TO GET THE ADA, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THAT IS SO EXPENSIVE TO DO. AND IF THE LANDLORDS AREN'T HELPING AND A LOT OF THEM DO, A LOT OF THEM DON'T, BUT WE GOT TO DO SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, IT'S AND I AND I'M RIGHT WITH YOU. IT'S KIND OF LIKE SOMETIMES YOU'RE THIS WAY AND SOMETIMES YOU'RE NOT THAT WAY. BUT IF WE DON'T LOOK AT IT, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WHAT WE PERCEIVE, AND WE MIGHT NOT GO THAT DIRECTION. WE MIGHT LOOK AT A DIFFERENT DIRECTION, GO, WAIT A MINUTE, AFTER WE LOOK AT THINGS GOING, YEAH, LET'S LOOK AT SOMETHING ELSE. I MEAN, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU, EXCEPT THAT IF YOU'VE GOT A BUSINESS THAT JUST PUT $100,000 IN AND THEN NOW YOU'VE GOT ANOTHER BUSINESS THAT'S COMING IN THAT'S GOING TO GET INCENTIVIZED. I JUST KEEP GOING BACK TO THAT. I MEAN, WE'VE GOT A LANDLORD ISSUE. WE NEED TO HAVE PROBABLY A STAKEHOLDER LANDLORD MEETING AND REALLY TALK TO THEM ABOUT SOME OF THESE ISSUES BECAUSE IT'S A LOT OF THE SAME REPEAT OFFENDERS. AND I MEAN, HONESTLY, SOME OF THEM GO BACK ALL THE WAY TO WHEN WE'VE BEEN HERE 26 YEARS AGO, AND THEY'RE STILL I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I'VE BEEN HERE A LOT LONGER THAN THAT. BUT BUT WE'VE GOT TO START LOOKING. MAYBE WE NEED TO PUSH THEM. YOU KNOW, I DON'T I HATE TO SAY THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT WORD. I AGREE WITH THAT, MAYOR, IF I MAY. SO SO, LISA, I KNOW. NO. THANK YOU FOR COMING TONIGHT. I KNOW THE ONE ISSUE WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT WITH THE BREWERY. I WANT YOU TO KIND OF GO THROUGH THAT A LITTLE BIT, AND THEN I'M GOING TO MAKE MY POINT AFTER YOU KIND OF BRING US UP TO SPEED ON WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE BREWERY. YEAH. AND I DON'T I DON'T HAVE THE FULL PICTURE 100%. SO BUT THE BREWERY PROJECT FELL THROUGH. AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT JUST IT'S, IT WAS THE LENGTHY PROCESS. AND THEN BY THE TIME THEY GOT OUT OF ENGINEERING, THEIR COSTS HAD ALMOST TRIPLED. SO IT WENT UP SIGNIFICANTLY AND THEY COULD NO LONGER FEASIBLY DO THE PROJECT. AND THEY ALREADY HAD A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS INTO IT BECAUSE I HAD A COPY OF THEIR BUDGET. SO IT'S IT'S PRETTY DEVASTATING TO LOSE THAT NOT ONLY FOR THEM, BUT FOR THE SOUTH EXPANSION AREA, WHICH WE WERE SUPER EXCITED TO SEE A PROJECT, ESPECIALLY BREWERY, BECAUSE THEY USUALLY DO DRIVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA. BUT I MEAN, ALL OF THAT CIRCLES BACK. I KNOW YOU GUYS HAD A BIG DEVELOPMENT DISCUSSION THAT I THAT I UNFORTUNATELY MISSED, BUT I DID GET TO LISTEN TO IT. AND IT WAS VERY INTERESTING. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE BEEN BRINGING UP ON THE ON THE SIDE IS JUST IN GENERAL, OVERALL PLANNING AND ZONING WHERE WE'VE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THESE BOXES AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF THE SAME THING. MIMI. LIKE, I MEAN, DO WE, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A WAY AROUND FLORIDA BUILDING CODE. I'M SURE ALL CITY STAFF IS GOING TO SAY, NO WAY. BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT A LOT OF THESE PROPERTIES, IT'S REALLY TOUGH. I HAD TO DO THE SAME THING TO MINE. ALL I WANTED TO DO WAS REPAVE MY PARKING LOT A FEW YEARS BACK. IT TOOK ME ALMOST A YEAR TO FINALLY FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO IT, BECAUSE I HAD TO ADD A RAMP, JUST JUST REPAVING. THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO DO. I WAS TRYING TO IMPROVE IT AND I HAD TO ADD A RAMP. I HAD TO GET TO THE FRONT DOOR. THERE WAS NOWHERE BECAUSE IT'S A 1925 BUILDING TO REALLY DO THAT. I MEAN, IT TOOK A LOT OF CREATIVE THINKING. I MEAN, WE HAD TO KIND OF COME UNDER THE STAIRS AND GO AROUND FROM THE BACK, AND THEN I LOST PARKING SPACES AND, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THOSE THINGS. AND I HAD TO REALLY LOOK AT PARKING BECAUSE IF I HAD LOST TOO MANY SPACES, THEN IF ANOTHER BUSINESS COMES IN LATER AND WANTS TO BUY THE BUILDING, THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PARKING. SO IT'S THIS, YOU KNOW, CYCLE. BUT A LOT OF THESE OLDER BUILDINGS ALREADY HAVE MAJOR ISSUES. AND I ALMOST FEEL LIKE WE HAVE TO TAKE A DEEPER DIVE INTO THAT. AND I KNOW LIKE STAFF IS ALREADY, I MEAN, LIKE CINDY SAID MANY TIMES, THEY HAVE THE SAME STAFF THAT THEY DID, YOU KNOW, BACK WHEN SHE STARTED. AND IT'S HARD BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT ALL THESE EXTRA DEMANDS AND JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, ALL OF US BUSINESS OWNERS, WE KNOW THAT YOU TEND TO GET INTO THIS REACTIVE STANCE WHERE YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO KEEP UP AND IT'S HARD TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND GET PROACTIVE. AND LIKE EVERYTHING THAT GOES BEFORE P AND Z IS PRETTY MUCH, HEY, I WANT A CONDITIONAL USE. HEY, I WANT A VARIANCE, I WANT THIS, I WANT THAT I'M DOING A DEVELOPMENT. LIKE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TIME AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THE CITY WOULD USE THAT COMMITTEE'S INPUT ON THAT, BUT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TIME TO TAKE THAT STEP BACK AND SAY, WHAT CAN WE DO? BECAUSE WE HAVE TO INCENTIVIZE THAT SOUTH CORRIDOR. BECAUSE IF YOU STAND OUT THERE AND LOOK, THERE'S JUST I MEAN, THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF A CRA. IT'S BLIGHT, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO CLEAN IT UP. WE GOT TO WORRY ABOUT THEM GETTING IN AND OUT OF THAT AREA TOO. RIGHT NOW THAT'S DOT. YEAH. YEAH. NO. SO SO DEFINITELY THANK YOU. AND [02:50:03] THE POINT THAT THE REASON I WANT HER TO SAY THAT IS BECAUSE WE'RE FOCUSING ON FACADE AND THE LOOKS, BUT SOME BUSINESS IS SO MUCH MORE THAN JUST THE LOOK. IT'S SO MUCH MORE THAN JUST THE ESTHETICS. AND SO THE PROGRAM AS THE WAY I PROPOSED IT, LOOKING AT WHAT THE CITY OF COCOA, THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE, WHICH WAS AN AWARD WINNING SMALL BUSINESS PROGRAM, IS TO ACTUALLY DO THINGS TO INVITE BUSINESSES TO COME AND DO BUSINESS WITH US. SO, YOU KNOW, INCENTIVIZING AND THAT. AND ALSO WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT THEY HAVE DONE WITH THE CITY OF COCOA, IT'S YOU'RE ALSO TRAINING THEM IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT THEIR BUSINESSES ARE GOING TO BE HAVE A HIGHER PROBABILITY OF SUCCESS. YOU CAN'T GUARANTEE SUCCESS, BUT THE WAY THAT THE PROGRAMS LIKE THAT ARE STRUCTURED IS NOT ONLY TO INCENTIVIZE THEM TO COME AND DO BUSINESS WITH US, MOVE INTO THE AREA, YOU KNOW, BUT ALSO YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO RECEIVE CERTIFICATION AND TRAINING IN ORDER TO HAVE A HIGHER PROBABILITY OF YOUR BUSINESS BEING SUCCESSFUL. SO I'D BE CURIOUS HOW COCO IS DOING IT. THEY'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR FIVE YEARS AND SHE HAS A HUGE SUCCESS RATE. SHE TOLD ME THEIR THEIR TRANSITION RATE IS HUGE. THEY'RE VERY SUCCESSFUL WITH THAT PROGRAM. THEY'RE. SO I STILL I STILL WANT US TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. MAYOR. I DON'T KNOW IF I NEED TO. I LOVE TO SIT DOWN WITH CITY STAFF. I MEAN, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S A COMPLETE TRANSITIONAL CHANGE FROM WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT I THINK IT'S AN ENHANCEMENT. AND THAT WAS MY ORIGINAL INTENT IN THE WAY THAT I PROPOSED IT. AND, MR. SMITH, MY RECOLLECTION OF THAT CONVERSATION WAS IT WAS GOING DOWN TO THE CRA. DID YOU GUYS GET TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND GIVE US ANY THOUGHTS? NO. WHILE MARCUS ACTUALLY ADDED IT UNDER ADDITIONAL BUSINESS AND CAME AND PRESENTED AND ASKED US FOR A LITTLE BIT OF FEEDBACK, BUT WE HAVEN'T HAD A LENGTHY DISCUSSION YET ON IT. THEY WERE WAITING FOR THIS SMALL BUSINESS WORKSHOP AND WE HAVEN'T HAD MANY MEETINGS THIS YEAR YET EITHER, SO I KNOW IT'S PROBABLY COMING, BUT NO, WE HAVEN'T YET. YEAH, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'D BE. I STILL THINK THEY SHOULD. SO IT'S STILL OPEN AND BOUNCE IT BACK UP. THAT'S MY THAT'S STILL MY POSITION. YEAH. OKAY. BUT I DO WANT I DO WANT THE THE FACADE LOOKED AT THE CODE THAT THAT THAT WOULD BE AN ABSOLUTE I, I AGREE WITH YOU. THAT'S. YEAH I THINK THAT WOULD HELP. YEAH. YEAH. SOME EXPANSION OF THAT. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. OKAY. PERFECT. ALL RIGHT. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO WE HAVE A DIRECTIVE ON HERE TO LOOK AT THAT ONE, CORRECT? YEAH. I WAS ON THE FIRST ONE. WE HAD CONSENSUS. YEAH. YEAH. YEAH. WE DO HAVE [18. Discussion of Traffic Calming Methods and Policy.] CONSENSUS ON THAT. RIGHT. WE'RE GOOD. YES. ALL RIGHT. LET'S MOVE ON TO NUMBER 18. DISCUSSION OF TRAFFIC CALMING METHODS AND POLICIES. THIS IS GOING TO BE MISS VERNON. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING MAYOR COUNCIL. DURING THE LAST YEAR TRAFFIC CALMING REQUESTS AND SPEED COMPLAINTS PRIMARILY HOLLAND STREET AND RECENTLY ARNOLD DRIVE HAVE BEEN BROUGHT TO COUNCIL'S ATTENTION MULTIPLE TIMES BY RESIDENTS. DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION OF CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS AT THE FEBRUARY 10TH, 2026 COUNCIL MEETING, CITY COUNCIL REQUESTED THE DISCUSSION ITEM BE PREPARED TO REVIEW THE TRAFFIC CALMING POLICY AND PRACTICE FOR THE CITY OF MELBOURNE. THE ATTACHED MEMORANDUM OUTLINED THE CITY'S TRAFFIC CALMING POLICY FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION OF TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES SUCH AS SPEED HUMPS, SPEED CUSHIONS OR SPEED TABLES. WE'VE ALSO PROVIDED A POLICY DESCRIPTION AND TRAFFIC CALMING REQUEST FORM THAT THE CITY CURRENTLY USES, THAT WE HELP COMMUNICATE HOW TRAFFIC CALMING WORKS TO THE PUBLIC. WHEN THESE REQUESTS DO COME IN. CURRENTLY, AS PART OF OUR GENERAL STANDARD PART OF OUR PROCESS, WE DO COORDINATE WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WHEN TRAFFIC CALMING REQUEST IS RECEIVED, POLICE DEPARTMENT MAY DEPLOY THE SPEED TRAILER OR HAVE PATROL PRESENCE IN AN AREA. IF THE INITIAL REVIEW DOES NOT INDICATE THAT A FULL STUDY IS NEEDED. MUCH LIKE TRAFFIC SIGNAL REQUESTS, TRAFFIC CALMING REQUESTS MUST BE EVALUATED TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT PHYSICAL TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES ARE WARRANTED. FURTHERMORE, PHYSICAL TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES MUST BE DESIGNED BY A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER THAT CERTIFIES THE ROADWAY FEATURES ARE IN SUBSTANTIAL COMPLIANCE WITH STATE AND FEDERAL MINIMUM DESIGN STANDARDS. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE WITH ANY OF OUR TRAFFIC CALMING, WE DO HAVE STATE STATUTES AND FEDERAL STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE TO MEET. WE JUST CAN'T SLAP A SPEED HUMP OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROADWAY. WE DO HAVE TO LOOK AT A LOT OF THE DIFFERENT IMPACTS THAT THAT PARTICULAR ROADWAY CHANGE MAY HAVE, AND WE HAVE TO ENSURE THAT THOSE STATE STANDARDS ARE MET IN FEDERAL STANDARDS. FINALLY, TRAFFIC CALMING STUDIES AND ANALYSIS REQUIRE CONSIDERABLE STAFF TIME AND RESOURCES TO PERFORM. IF CITY COUNCIL DECIDES TO EXPAND OR ACCELERATE THE NUMBER OF STREETS THAT ARE ANALYZED FOR INSTALLATION TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES, STAFF CAN UTILIZE CONSULTANT SERVICES. AN ESTIMATE OF COST CAN BE PROVIDED, BUT JUST AS A MATTER OF DISCUSSION, TYPICALLY FOR WHEN STAFF GOES OUT TO, WE RECEIVE A TRAFFIC CALMING REQUEST AND WE GO OUT TO PERFORM A TRAFFIC CALMING STUDY [02:55:02] THAT'S GOING TO BE ABOUT 1500 TO $2000 WORTH OF STAFF TIME FOR THE CITY. JUST JUST HOURS SPENT GOING OUT TO THE SITE, DEPLOYING THE COUNTERS, COLLECTING THAT DATA, BRINGING IT BACK AND PUTTING TOGETHER THE FINAL REPORTS. IF WE WERE TO GO TO A CONSULTANT TO PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES, THEY'RE LIKELY TO CHARGE SUBSTANTIALLY MORE, PROBABLY ABOUT 8 TO $10,000 A POP FOR US TO DO A SPEED STUDY. AND THAT'S NOT INCLUDING THE DESIGN OF ANY POTENTIAL CORRECTIVE MEASURES. THAT'S PHYSICALLY JUST GOING OUT, COUNTING THE CARS, DOING THE SPEED ANALYSIS AND PROVIDING A RECOMMENDATION BASED OFF THE NUMBERS THAT ARE COLLECTED. SO WE HAVE A TRAFFIC CALMING PROGRAM. THIS IS KIND OF A SUMMARY OF HOW WE DO THINGS AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. LET'S SEE IF I CAN DO THIS. ALL RIGHT. FLORIDA STATUTES. 316. BASICALLY WHAT THIS SAYS IS THAT THE MUNICIPALITIES ARE ALLOWED TO SET THEIR OWN RULES FOR THE ROADWAY. HOWEVER, THOSE DESIRES FOR US TO REGULATE OUR ROADWAY ARE CONSTRAINED BY STATE STATUTES THAT REGARD MINIMUM ROADWAY DESIGN STANDARDS. FOR FLORIDA. IT'S THE FLORIDA GREEN BOOK. IT'S BASICALLY THE ROADWAY DESIGN BIBLE. IT LAYS OUT THE MINIMUM STANDARDS. IT BASICALLY SAYS, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T PUT IN A SIX FOOT WIDE ROADWAY AND EXPECT TWO LANES OF TRAFFIC GOING ON IT. THERE'S CERTAIN OTHER FEATURES, YOU KNOW, MINIMUM VERTICAL, HORIZONTAL CURVES, ALL THE, LET'S SAY THE HIGH LEVEL NERD ENGINEERING STUFF THAT HAS TO GO INTO ROADWAY DESIGN. THAT IS, THERE'S BASICALLY MINIMUM STANDARDS FOR ALL THAT. FOLLOWING ON TO THAT, WE HAVE MULTIPLE FEDERAL STANDARDS, MUTCD OR MANUAL UNIFORM TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES. THAT'S BASICALLY THE FEDERAL STANDARD THAT APPLIES EVERYWHERE IN THE US. THAT'S TO MAKE SURE THAT ANY TYPE OF THING THAT WE PUT OUT IN THE ROADWAY IS CONSISTENT ACROSS THE UNITED STATES. THAT WAY, IF YOU'RE DRIVING IN ALASKA, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SIMILAR SIGNS AND STRIPING AS TO WHAT YOU'D SEE IN FLORIDA. THAT WAY, RESIDENTS HAVE A CONSISTENT ROADWAY EXPERIENCE ACROSS THE ENTIRE UNITED STATES. THAT WAY, YOU DON'T HAVE SOMEWHERE LIKE ALABAMA THAT DECIDES TO PUT IN A SQUARE STOP SIGN. EVERYWHERE YOU GO IS GOING TO BE AN OCTAGON. UNLAWFUL SPEED 316 183 ON ALL STREETS OR HIGHWAYS, MAXIMUM SPEED LIMITS FOR ALL VEHICLES MUST BE 30MPH IN BUSINESS OR RESIDENCE DISTRICTS, AND 55MPH AT ANY TIME IN ALL OTHER LOCATIONS. SO WE DO HAVE SOME STATE GUIDANCE AND LIMITS ON WHAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO. WE CAN'T PUT 45 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMITS IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS. THAT'S BASICALLY WE HAVE A 30 MILE AN HOUR MAX. HOWEVER, WITH RESPECT TO RESIDENCE DISTRICTS, A COUNTY MUNICIPALITY MAY SET A MAXIMUM SPEED LIMIT OF 20 OR 25MPH ON LOCAL STREETS AND HIGHWAYS. AFTER AN INVESTIGATION DETERMINES THAT SUCH A LIMIT IS REASONABLE, IT'S NOT NECESSARY TO CONDUCT A SEPARATE INVESTIGATION FOR EACH RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. AND FORGIVE ME, THIS IS THE STATE STATUTE LANGUAGE, NOT MY PERSONAL CHOICE, BUT BASICALLY ANY THERE ANYWHERE THAT THERE'S A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, WE DO HAVE THE OPTION FOR SETTING SPEED LIMITS LOWER. HOWEVER, IT HAS TO BE JUSTIFIED BY STUDY, AND THAT'S TYPICALLY AN ENGINEERING STUDY THAT LOOKS AT ROADWAY GEOMETRY, OTHER FEATURES, AND THE 85TH PERCENTILE FOR SPEEDS. HERE IS A SAMPLING OF THE GOVERNING STANDARDS FOR DESIGN. I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THESE BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO GET OUT OF HERE BEFORE 1:00 IN THE MORNING, BUT JUST KIND OF PUT THESE UP HERE JUST SO THAT THERE'S AN UNDERSTANDING THAT THESE ARE THE MINIMUM STANDARDS THAT HAVE TO BE MET. ANYTIME WE DO SOMETHING WITHIN THE ROADWAY, FAILURE TO FOLLOW THESE STANDARDS CAN RESULT IN SUBSTANTIAL LIABILITY FOR A MUNICIPALITY. IF WE DECIDE NOT TO GO WITH THE GREEN BOOK, SOMEBODY GETS INJURED, ACCIDENT OCCURS. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN COME BACK AND HAVE A CONSEQUENCE FOR THE CITY. SO SO OKAY, I GOT A COUPLE QUESTIONS BECAUSE I'M JUST ONE THING THAT I REALLY LIKE TO SEE IN OUR CITY IS MORE TRAFFIC CALMING DEVICES. VERY FAMILIAR WITH CHAPTER 316. I'M FORCED IT FOR MANY YEARS. LOOKING AT THIS. FOR EXAMPLE, IF I WAS TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE. SOME SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, FOR EXAMPLE, LANSING, LANSING RIDGE THAT HAS THAT HAS TRAFFIC CALMING DEVICES, WHY CAN WE HAVE THEM THERE AND NOT OTHER PLACES? IT JUST SEEMS LIKE TO ME, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE MAIN PLACES LIKE ARNOLD AND SUCH, YOU KNOW, A LOT MORE TRAFFIC, A LOT MORE SPEED. WE HAVE THEM DOWN THE ROAD, BUT THEN WE HAVE TO SIT THERE AND WONDER WHY WE CAN'T HAVE THEM ON. ARNOLD. TO ME, TO ME, THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. WE GOT THEM INSTALLED. WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF WE INSTALLED THEM. MAYBE. MAYBE DOT DID I THINK THEY DOD. DOT DID ON PINEAPPLE. THAT WAS A SPEED ZONE. [03:00:05] EVERYBODY WAS FLYING DOWN. THEY ADDED A COUPLE ON THERE. I'M NOT A FAN OF THOSE BECAUSE I AM A THEM, BUT NOT THE WAY THEY MARK THEM BECAUSE YOU CAN'T EVEN TELL. IT'S JUST A BIG BLACK HUMP. AND YOU TALK ABOUT ON THE FLORIDA GREEN BOOK, A LOT OF THAT STUFF THAT YOU'RE GOING TO PURCHASE, LIKE THEY HAVE THE PLASTIC ONES THAT CAN BOLT DOWN TO MY UNDERSTANDING, TALKING TO OTHER ENGINEERS, THEY ALL MEET THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF LIKE THE GREEN BOOK IT, YOU CAN'T BUY THAT STUFF WITHOUT IT BEING, YOU KNOW, A CERTIFIED OR HAVE THAT KIND OF STANDARD DESIGN. MAYBE YOU'RE. I WOULD SAY THAT YES AND NO. SO WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ANSWER RIGHT THERE, YES OR NO. SO WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, LIKE WITH PRE-MADE OFF THE SHELF PRODUCTS, THOSE ARE TYPICALLY ON AN APPROVED PRODUCTS LIST AND THOSE ARE GENERALLY TESTED. THEY ARE BASICALLY CERTIFIED TO CONFORM TO THE GREEN BOOK STANDARDS OR STANDARDS. SO THOSE PRODUCTS DO EXIST. THERE ARE BOLT DOWN SPEED HUMPS, THERE'S BOLT DOWN SPEED TABLES. THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE READILY AVAILABLE. I WILL SAY THAT THOSE TEND TO BE MORE COSTLY. I HAVE USED THE BOLT DOWN OPTIONS IN THE PAST. UNFORTUNATELY, THEY TEND TO HAVE A LOT HIGHER MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENTS THAN THEY YEAH, THEY THEY COME UP, WE HAVE TO CHASE THEM. AND IF YOU HAVE A, A BROKEN SPEED TABLE OR SOMETHING THAT'S COME LOOSE, IF YOU ARE NOT ON THAT MAINTENANCE WISE IMMEDIATELY, YOU HAVE A MASSIVE LIABILITY SITTING OUT THERE ON THE ROADWAY. THEN IF SOMEBODY COMES BY TRIPS, FALLS RIGHT, SLINGS IT OFF AND IT HITS ANOTHER VEHICLE, CAUSES AN ACCIDENT. SO A LOT OF WHAT THE CITY IS CURRENTLY DOING IS MORE PERMANENT FEATURES THAT ARE LESS MAINTENANCE INTENSIVE, BUT ALSO LESS LIABILITY ASSOCIATED WITH IT. ONCE WE DO IT, IT'S DONE, IT'S PERMANENT, AND WE DON'T HAVE TO GO OUT THERE AND CHECK IT ON A DAILY OR WEEKLY BASIS TO MAKE SURE THAT SOMETHING HASN'T DETACHED AND IS FLOPPING AROUND IN THE ROADWAY. FOR THE SPEED HUMPS THEMSELVES. WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT TRAFFIC CALMING FEATURES, ONE OF THE BIG THINGS THAT WILL DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT A WE CAN PHYSICALLY PUT THEM IN THE ROADWAY. WE HAVE TO LOOK AT ROADWAY GEOMETRY. THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT FEATURES THAT CAN AFFECT THAT. THERE COULD BE DRAINAGE PROBLEMS IF YOU PUT BUMPS IN THE MIDDLE OF A ROADWAY AND YOU'VE GOT MAJOR DRAINAGE GOING THROUGH THERE, YOU'VE NOW JUST SIGNED YOURSELF UP FOR A FLOODING ISSUE. COULD ALSO BE HORIZONTAL CURVES, LINE OF SIGHT. WHEN YOU'RE DOING A SPEED TABLE OR A SPEED HUMP, YOU'RE PUTTING A PHYSICAL BARRIER IN THE ROADWAY. IF YOU DON'T HAVE ADEQUATE SIGHT DISTANCE FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT CAN CREATE A VERY. POOR RESPONSE FOR DRIVERS. IF THEY'RE SUDDENLY SURPRISED BY A FOUR INCH CHUNK OF ASPHALT THAT THEY'RE HITTING, THAT COULD RESULT IN ROADWAY DEPARTURES, IT COULD ACTUALLY MAKE ROADWAY SAFETY CONDITIONS WORSE. SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ASSESS. SO GENERALLY, YOU DON'T PUT SPEED HUMPS IN CURVES. AS PART OF THE CITY COUNCIL'S POLICY ON TRAFFIC CALMING THAT THAT'S CURRENTLY OPERATING. WE DO HAVE TO HAVE A IT'S BEEN CREATED SUCH THAT THERE IS A STANDARDIZED CUTOFF. SO WE DON'T GENERALLY WANT TO RELY ON PEOPLE'S PERCEPTION OR THEIR. YOU KNOW WHAT SOMEBODY MAY FEEL BECAUSE DIFFERENT DRIVERS FEEL DIFFERENT WAY ABOUT DIFFERENT THINGS ON THE ROADWAY. WE TRY TO STANDARDIZE THAT SO THAT THERE IS HARD DATA TO BACK UP THE NEED FOR A PARTICULAR ROADWAY IMPROVEMENT OR FEATURE. LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER, JUST GOING OUT TO PHYSICALLY DO A SPEED STUDY IS ABOUT 1500 TO 2000. WHEN YOU START GETTING INTO THE ACTUAL IMPROVEMENTS, THOSE CAN COST 15, 20, 30, $40,000 A PIECE. IF YOU'RE GOING WITH PERMANENT FIXES AND YOU'RE HAVING TO DO THE ENGINEERING, THOSE COSTS DO GO UP. IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT IF IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT STANDARD, THEN IT BECOMES AN WHERE DO WE NOT PUT THEM? BECAUSE IF YOU PUT ALL THESE THINGS OUT IN THE ROADWAY, NOW, YOU'RE COMPLETELY CHANGING THE NATURE OF THE ROADWAYS THEMSELVES. A LOT OF TIMES WE TRY NOT TO PUT SPEED HUMPS ON COLLECTOR ROADWAYS. IT'S VERY LIMITED INSTANCES THAT WE DO PUT THEM ON HIGHER CLASSIFICATION ROADWAYS. WE'VE RECENTLY DONE IT ON UNIVERSITY. IN THAT CASE, WE HAD A DOCUMENTED PEDESTRIAN CROSSING ISSUE AND WE HAD DOCUMENTED SPEED ISSUES. OUR AVERAGE SPEEDS WERE 20 MILES AN HOUR OVER. THE POSTED SPEED LIMITS WERE, AND WE HAD A HIGH PEDESTRIAN PRESENCE THAT RIGHT OFF THE PAPER, BLACK AND WHITE. THAT'S A SAFETY ISSUE. THAT'S WHAT JUSTIFIED US PUTTING THOSE SPEED TABLES IN AND THAT MID-BLOCK CROSSING IN ON UNIVERSITY. SAME FOR THE [03:05:04] IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE DID ON BULLDOG HIGH STUDENT PRESENCE. A LOT OF KIDS WERE PARKING ON THE SOUTH SIDE. WALKING TO THE NORTH. SPEEDS WERE AN ISSUE ON THAT ROADWAY. UNFORTUNATELY, FLORIDA AND JUST REALLY MOST PLACES IN GENERAL, THE ROADWAY DESIGN APPROACH FOR RESIDENTIAL RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS WAS A GRID APPROACH, WHICH BASICALLY MEANT LONG STRAIGHT ROADWAYS. UNFORTUNATELY, WITH SPEED AND DRIVING CONDITIONS, IF YOU BUILD IT A CERTAIN WAY, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE COMFORTABLE DRIVING A CERTAIN WAY. SO IF YOU THROW SOMEBODY ON A WIDE ROADWAY THAT IS NICE AND STRAIGHT, YOU HAVE THAT INCLINATION TO GO FASTER REGARDLESS OF HOWEVER YOU POST IT. THAT'S ACTUALLY ONE OF THE FEATURES THAT WE LOOK AT IN DESIGN IS CALLED THE 85TH PERCENTILE, 85TH PERCENTILE. THAT BASICALLY MEANS THAT 85% OF THE PEOPLE DRIVE THAT SPEED BECAUSE THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH IT, NOT NECESSARILY BECAUSE IT'S POSTED THAT WAY. RIGHT? SO IT'S KIND OF A HUMAN NATURE THING. WE BASICALLY HAVE ABOUT 5 TO 10% OF THE POPULATION THAT LACKS GOOD DECISION MAKING ABILITY WHEN THEY GET BEHIND THE WHEEL. SO IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER IF WE POST IT AT FIVE MILES AN HOUR. THEY'RE GOING TO DRIVE WAY ABOVE THOSE LIMITS. UNFORTUNATELY, THE ONLY FIX FOR THAT IS USUALLY A LAW ENFORCEMENT APPROACH, WHERE HOPEFULLY THOSE PEOPLE WILL ACCUMULATE ENOUGH POINTS THAT WE CAN REMOVE THEM FROM THE DRIVING POOL. BUT THAT'S ANOTHER STAFFING ISSUE. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ALSO BASICALLY 5 TO 10% OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THE ROADS ARE NEVER GOING TO FOLLOW THE RULES, AND WE JUST HOPE THEY GET CAUGHT 85%. THEY'RE GOING TO GO AT THE SPEED THAT THE ROADWAY WAS DESIGNED FOR. UNFORTUNATELY, A LOT OF OUR RESIDENTIAL ROADWAYS HAVE BEEN DESIGNED LONG STRAIGHT, SO THEY'RE GOING TO INCH UP. THAT'S WHY WHEN WE'RE DOING THE SPEED STUDIES, WE LOOK AT THE 85TH PERCENTILE FOR SPEED. SO A LOT OF TIMES WHEN WE'VE GOT THESE COMPLAINTS, WE'VE GOT REQUESTS FOR SPEED STUDIES COMING IN. THEY'RE PRIMARILY FOR TWO REASONS. ONE IS CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC WHERE THE RESIDENTS BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE FOLKS THAT ARE NOT WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT ARE USING THE RESIDENTIAL STREETS AS A SHORTCUT OR A CUT THROUGH TO AVOID TRAFFIC OR BACKUPS ON SOME OF THE MAJOR COLLECTOR ROADWAYS OR SPEED IN AND OF ITSELF ABOVE THE POSTED SPEED LIMITS. OUT OF THE ONES THAT WE'VE DONE RECENTLY. THESE ARE SOME OF THE ONES THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT IN THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS WHERE SOME OF THE RESIDENTS HAVE COME THROUGH AND THEY'VE HAVE A PERCEPTION THAT'S CUT THROUGH. TRAFFIC IS OCCURRING. WE GO OUT, WE WE PUT THE THE TWO COUNTERS DOWN. WE COLLECT SEVEN DAYS WORTH OF DATA TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE ANY ONE OFFS OR ANY TYPE OF UNIQUE EVENTS. WE TRY TO SPREAD IT OUT. WE ONLY COLLECT DURING THE YEAR WHEN THERE ARE NORMAL TRAFFIC PATTERNS. SO WE DON'T COLLECT AT HOLIDAYS OR OVER THE SUMMER. SO THAT WAY WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, ALL THE HIGH SCHOOLERS ARE OUT AND DRIVING AND ABOUT THEIR NORMAL PATTERNS. ALL THE RESIDENTS ARE OUT DRIVING ABOUT THEIR NORMAL PATTERNS, SO WE CAN GET AN ACCURATE PICTURE OF WHAT'S ACTUALLY GOING ON. JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, ONE OF THE ONES ON HOLLAND STREET THAT WE DID IN 2024 CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC AND SPEEDING, CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC. IT WASN'T WARRANTED. WE WERE ONLY GETTING 700 VEHICLES PER DAY ON THE ROADWAY WHERE WE COUNTED IT. THAT WAS WELL WITHIN EXPECTATIONS. THAT'S ACTUALLY CLASSIFIED AS A VERY LOW VOLUME ROADWAY. THAT'S WHAT WE'D EXPECT TO SEE ON ON A RESIDENTIAL ROAD. THE 85TH PERCENTILE SPEED WAS 20MPH, 29MPH. IT'S POSTED AT 25. SO WE'RE WITHIN THAT EIGHT MILE AN HOUR. EFFECTIVE RANGE. SO REALLY OUR POSTED SPEED AND OUR OBSERVED SPEEDS WERE KIND OF IN LINE WITH EACH OTHER. NOW, NOT TO SAY THAT THERE WEREN'T OUTLIERS. IF I REMEMBER THAT STUDY CORRECTLY, WE DID HAVE SOME FOLKS THAT WE OBSERVED THAT THE COUNTER SHOWED THAT THEY WERE GOING 45 OR 50, BUT THAT WAS LESS THAN 2%. SO USUALLY WHEN YOU'RE SEEING THAT IN A COUNTER, THERE'S PROBABLY 1 OR 2 PEOPLE THAT ARE FREQUENTLY. MAKING POOR DECISIONS ON THE ROADWAY, GOING FAR IN EXCESS OF WHAT SPEED LIMITS ARE. AND HONESTLY, IF WE PUT THE SPEED HUMPS IN, THE PROBABLE RESULT OF THAT IS GOING TO BE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO COME FLYING UP TO THE SPEED HUMP, SLAM ON THE BRAKES, ROLL OVER IT, AND THEN FLOOR IT COMING OUT OF THE SPEED HUMP. THAT'S ACTUALLY ONE OF THE OTHER DESIGN FEATURES THAT WE WE LOOK AT. OKAY, SO I DON'T KNOW IF I AGREE WITH THAT. AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY. GOING INTO LANSING RIDGE, EVERYBODY KNOWS THERE'S A SPEED HUMP THERE AND EVERYBODY'S DRIVING SLOW. IT'S ONE OF THOSE IT'S ONE OF THOSE MENTAL THINGS THAT WHEN YOU KNOW THERE'S SPEED HUMPS, YOU GOT, YOU GOT, YOU GOT TO SLOW DOWN, YOU'RE SLOWING DOWN. I THINK JUST PEOPLE ARE. SO LISTEN TO THE RADIO ON THEIR [03:10:01] PHONE. AND I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, ARNOLD, PEOPLE FLY DOWN. ARNOLD. IT IS NO DOUBT IN MY MIND. I MEAN, WE'RE LOOKING AT A STUDY STUDY DATE OF SIX DAYS. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW ACCURATE THAT DATA WILL BE FOR DATA IN GENERAL FOR SIX DAYS. I'M NOT SURE. I JUST I'VE SEEN WHAT THE SPEED TRAFFIC CALMING DEVICES DO TO SOME OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS. AND IN MY OPINION, THEY REALLY WORK. IF PEOPLE IF YOU WERE TO THINK I CAN HAVE TEN PEOPLE IN HERE IN THE NEXT MEETING, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT LIKE CYPRUS AS IT CUTS OFF O'GALLEY. BUT I MEAN, PEOPLE, PEOPLE I'VE BEEN ON THAT STREET AND I'VE SEEN PEOPLE, I THINK IT'S 35. I'VE SEEN PEOPLE 60 JUST FLY DOWN THERE. THEY HIT THE RAILROAD TRACKS LAUNCHING. SO I DON'T KNOW, I JUST I THINK IT'S A PERCEPTION THAT THE CITY SLOWS PEOPLE DOWN. AND, YOU KNOW, I WOULD I THINK A, I DON'T THINK WE NEED THEM EVERYWHERE. I DON'T I THINK WE NEED THEM IN A FEW PLACES. ARNOLD, I THINK IS ONE OF THEM. I THINK ZORA IS ONE OF THEM. NO, NO, YOU LIVE THERE. I KNOW THAT, BUT I'M GOING TO SAY NO. I KNOW ABOUT MY OPINION. I MEAN, WE YOU KNOW, AND AND I KNOW THERE'S PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON THE THINGS WE NEED, BUT THAT'S JUST A THAT'S AN OPTION. AND I THINK THERE'S OTHER PLACES THAT, THAT NEED THEM. I THINK PINEAPPLE NEEDED IT. IT'S GOT IT. I THINK UNIVERSITY BOULEVARD NEED IT. THEY GOT IT. IT WORKS. THAT'S JUST MY MY THOUGHT. ANYBODY ELSE. YEAH. BE CAREFUL THOUGH. THE OTHER THING IS THOUGH, BECAUSE I, I KNOW THAT SOMEBODY HAD ONE OF MY CLIENTS HAD JUST ALMOST OUTSIDE THEIR DOOR WAS THE TRAFFIC CALMING THING, THE SPEED BUMP. AND THEY SAID THE NOISE THAT THAT BROUGHT WAS JUST DROVE THEM ABSOLUTELY NUTS. SQUEAKY CARS. PROBABLY, PROBABLY THINK. AND THEY SAID SO EVERY YEAR. OH, THEY'RE GREAT. THEY'RE GREAT. BUT YOU'RE THE ONE IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE. IT'S A BIG DEAL. YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY YOU GOT 2 OR 4 HOUSES RIGHT THERE THAT HAS TO LISTEN TO THAT ALL THE TIME. THEY'RE GOING TO GO, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A DIFFERENT GROUP OF PEOPLE IN HERE SCREAMING GOING, I CAN'T TAKE THIS RIGHT. SO WE GOT TO BE CAREFUL. MAYBE WE HAVE LIKE AN ARNOLD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, JUST TEMPORARILY ONE OF THE. THE PLASTIC, THE ONES YOU CAN BOLT DOWN FOR A COUPLE. YEAH. AND GIVE THEM LIKE, HEY, THIS IS WHAT COULD HAPPEN. SO I WILL, I WILL. CAUTION AGAINST INSTALLATION OF TEMPORARY INFRASTRUCTURE FEATURES LIKE THAT. ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT WITH ROADWAY DESIGN IS CONSISTENCY. YOU DON'T WANT TO PUT VARIABLE CONDITIONS INTO THE ROADWAY. AND IF YOU DO THAT, IT'S GOING TO UNFORTUNATELY, MARIN, YOU KIND OF HIT ON IT EARLIER. MOST PEOPLE AND ARE GOING ALONG AND THEY'RE DOING THIS. THEY'RE THEY'RE ON THEIR PHONES, THEY'RE TEXTING, THEY'RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION. RECENT TPO INFORMATION THAT'S COME OUT, I THINK IT WAS AROUND 60% OF THE ACCIDENTS ARE RESULTS OF DISTRACTED DRIVING OR TEXTING WHILE DRIVING OR SOME OTHER. ISSUE. YOU HIT A SPEED BUMP WHILE YOU'RE DOING IT. YOU WANT TO DO IT AGAIN, CORRECT. SO IF YOU IF YOU HAVE UNEXPECTED CONDITIONS THAT AREN'T GOING TO BE CONSISTENT AND IT KIND OF CREATES A POTENTIAL ISSUE WHERE THE CITY SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER BY THROWING A TEMPORARY SPEED HUMP OUT AND THEN PULLING THAT BACK 2 OR 3 WEEKS LATER, BECAUSE IT'S NOT, YOU'RE NOT BEING CONSISTENT WITH YOUR DRIVERS. SO IF CITY COUNCIL DOES WANT TO DEPLOY ADDITIONAL SPEED HUMPS, I WOULD STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT THOSE BE IN A PERMANENT STATUS. THOSE OTHER THINGS. WOULD YOU THINK, WOULD YOU THINK THAT SAY TEMPORARILY THEY COME OUT THEIR SPEED HUMP LIKE SPEED HUMP. THE ONE THAT SAYS WHAT YOUR SPEED IS. YEAH. HOW FAST YOU'RE GOING. YEAH, YEAH. HOW ABOUT HOW EFFECTIVE DO WE EVER HAVE A COUNT OF THOSE? WHAT THEY I'M SURE WHEN THEY'RE DOING IT, IT BRINGS THEM EVERYBODY DOWN. SPEED TRAILER. YES. TRAILER. THE SPEED TRAILER. SPEED TRAILER. IS THAT WHAT THEY'RE CALLED? YES. TRAILER. YEAH. BUT YOU KNOW, WHETHER WE LOOK AT THOSE AFTERWARDS, IT WILL CALM THEM DOWN RATHER THAN PUTTING OUT. I'M NOT A BIG SPEED BUMP PERSON BECAUSE I HAVE BACK ISSUES AND IT'S JUST ABOUT TAKES ME OUT. SO I'M NOT I'M SPEEDING. SPEED TABLES ARE GENERALLY WHAT WE [03:15:05] UTILIZE NOW BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT THE THE OLD SCHOOL HUMPS. THOSE ARE A LITTLE TOO DRASTIC. SO THE LARGER TABLES LIKE WHAT WE'VE DEPLOYED ON UNIVERSITY IS MORE THE, THE, THE APPROPRIATE INSTALLATION THAT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT IN ROADWAYS NOW, BUT IT'S STILL A, LIKE I SAID, IF YOU, IF YOU DO IT, YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU, YOU STAY CONSISTENT WITH THAT. AND THE OTHER ASPECT THAT COUNCIL REALLY NEEDS TO CONSIDER IS THAT THERE IS ALWAYS THE LAW OF UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. THE SECOND YOU PUT SPEED HUMPS ON ONE ROADWAY, IF YOU DO HAVE A SITUATION WHERE CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC IS OCCURRING, THEY'RE JUST GOING TO SHIFT OVER A ROAD. YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THAT BACK ON, I BELIEVE VASSAR AND SOME OF THE ROADS COMING OFF OF FLORIDA THAT GO BACK BEHIND IT, WHERE CERTAIN SPEED TABLES HAVE BEEN INSTALLED FOR CUT THROUGH PURPOSES. A LOT OF TIMES FOLKS JUST SHIFT OVER ONE ROADWAY AND THEN THEY GO BLASTING DOWN THAT ROAD INSTEAD. SO IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT IT'S YOU'RE, YOU CAN END UP CHASING A LOT OF RABBITS IF YOU'RE NOT CAREFUL WITH THE DEPLOYMENT OF THOSE PARTICULAR FIXES. LIKE IF WE PUT ON THEIR WHATEVER THEY'RE CALLED WITH FLASH'S YOUR SPEED, THE SPEED TRAILER, WHATEVER, THAT'S IT. PUT SOMETHING IN THERE AND SEE IF THAT HELPS WITH CALMING. SO THE, THE RADAR UNITS, THOSE HAVE ACTUALLY SHOWN TO BE SOMEWHAT BENEFICIAL FOR MOST OF THE TRAVELING PUBLIC. AGAIN, YOU'VE GOT THE 5 OR 10%. UNFORTUNATELY, THEY, THEY TAKE IT AS A CHALLENGE TO SEE HOW HIGH OF A NUMBER THEY CAN GET TO REGISTER. SO YOU GET SOME MIXED RESULTS. BUT THOSE, THOSE HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN SHOWN TO HAVE SOME EFFECT. I BELIEVE WE DO HAVE THOSE DEPLOYED ON PINEAPPLE AND THEY'VE BEEN. THAT WAS PART OF THAT WHOLE TRAFFIC CALMING PROJECT THAT WENT IN THERE. THOSE ARE ONE OF THE COMPONENTS THAT WAS ACTUALLY INSTALLED IN THAT ENTIRE SYSTEM. SO THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE COULD CONSIDER EXPANDING AND LOOKING AT FURTHER. THOSE CAN ALSO BE DONE AS TEMPORARY DEPLOYMENTS BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY CHANGING A ROADWAY FEATURE, YOU'RE JUST ADDING ADDITIONAL WARNING SIGNAGE. SO THE STANDARDS FOR THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBLE. SO, YOU KNOW, BUT WE ALREADY KIND OF DO THAT SOMEWHAT WITH PARTNERING WITH THE PD. AND THEY USE THE DEPLOYMENT OF THEIR PORTABLE SPEED TRAILERS THAT THEY'RE, I'VE GOT CLIENTS THAT CALL THEM ON A REGULAR BASIS. SO YEAH, I HAVE ONE ON MY STREET. AND JUST TO KIND OF ROUND OUT THE CONVERSATION HERE, I AGREE. MAYBE, I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE ANY RESIDENTS ASKING ME IN MY DISTRICT CURRENTLY ABOUT SPEED HUMPS IN ANY PARTICULAR AREA, BUT I AM INTERESTED IN LEARNING MORE ABOUT MAYBE ARNOLD OR THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WE CAN LOOK AT. BUT I, I DON'T LIKE THE HYPOTHETICAL THING. I THINK IT'D BE BETTER IF, IF THERE'S CERTAIN STREETS THAT YOU WERE THINKING MIGHT BE OF USE FOR THEM JUST TO SEE WHAT STAFF WOULD BRING BACK AND SAY, HEY, THIS, THIS ONE, THAT ONE, SEE WHAT THE RESIDENTS THINK. AND JUST IF IT'S A GOOD IDEA, IT'S A GOOD IDEA. IF IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT. BUT I THINK WE'RE JUST KIND OF BOUNCING AROUND MAYBE THIS, MAYBE THAT. IF THERE'S SPECIFIC ONES I'D, I'D SUPPORT MOVING FORWARD WITH WHATEVER THAT PARTICULAR ONE IS. BUT THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHT. I SAID IT'S A. AND IF WE'RE GOING TO MODIFY THE SPEED CALMING POLICY, I WOULD JUST REQUEST THAT COUNCIL PROVIDE US CLEAR DIRECTION ON HOW THEY WANT THAT MODIFIED SO THAT WE CAN STAY CONSISTENT ACROSS THE BOARD WITH HOW WE DO IMPLEMENT OUR TRAFFIC CALMING PROGRAM, BECAUSE IF WE'RE NOT CONSISTENT WITH THAT, IT COULD SET POTENTIAL PRECEDENTS THAT WOULD HAVE US INSTALLING THEM WHERE THEY MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE. AND LIKE I SAID, YOU KNOW, 1 OR 2, THE COST ISN'T ENORMOUS TO THE CITY. BUT IF YOU START TALKING 50, 60 OR 100, YOU KNOW THAT THAT NUMBER DOES START ADDING UP AND AFFECTING THE CITY'S BUDGET. AND WE COULD WHERE WE COULD JUST PAVE. HOGUE. RIGHT. LIAM, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU HAD MENTIONED CYPRUS, WHAT YOU HAD MENTIONED CYPRUS, IN WHICH SEGMENT OF CYPRUS BETWEEN LIKE AURORA AND O'GALLEY? NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, IT WOULD BE NO I'M SORRY. KRILL, KRILL OIL, KRILL STREET. THEY FLY BECAUSE THEY COME OFF. IT'S LIKE AN UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE. THEY COME OFF O'GALLEY OR ACTUALLY THEY'RE COMING OFF US ONE. THEY WANT TO BYPASS O'GALLEY AND THEY FLY. I MEAN, THEY I MEAN, I'VE ALMOST BEEN HIT TWICE. OKAY, SO WE HAD CREOLE, YOU BROUGHT UP ARNOLD ZARHA, BUT THEN I HEARD A NO ON HANLEY'S HOUSE. AND THEN THE SQUEAKY, SQUEAKY CAR. NO, NO, AND I AGREE. NO, THAT'S FINE. I MEAN, IF IF A COUNCIL MEMBER HAS A PROBLEM, I AGREE WITH YOU. I'M FINE WITH THAT. OKAY. SO CYPRUS AND ARNOLD OR I'M SORRY, CREOLE AND ARNOLD ARE THE TWO THAT I'VE HEARD SO FAR. BUT I LIKE THE IDEA THAT COUNCIL MEMBER NEUMANN SAID IF YOU HAVE ANY INTER-DISTRICT THAT THEY CAN THINK OF, I CAN'T THINK OF [03:20:01] ANY. I HAVE A TRAILER ON MY STREET, BUT PEOPLE STILL FLY. BUT I DON'T WANT TO. OKAY, WELL THAT'S FINE. I'LL ADD TO THE STRESS OF THE FINANCES. PROBABLY THE TWO THAT I WOULD SAY WOULD BE ARNOLD AND KRILL. THOSE ARE MY TWO CONCERNS. AND I'M OKAY WITH WITH WITH NO, NO UNTIL DORA. I MEAN, I'M OKAY. I'M OKAY WITH ALL THAT. BUT NO, I, I HAVE I'VE LIVED HERE FOREVER AND I FEEL LIKE THERE'S SOME PEOPLE THAT THEY GET, THEY GO, OH MY GOD, I'VE HAD WHEN I WAS DOING RUNNING AND THEY WOULD BE LIKE, I CAN HEAR THE, THE SIRENS. WELL, IT'S 5:00, IT'S 6:00 IN THE MORNING. THERE'S NOTHING GOING ON. YEAH. YOU CAN HEAR THE SIRENS GOING OUT. YEAH. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT TO PUT THINGS. YEAH. I'M SORRY. WE HAVE ONE SIGN UP SHEET, MR. DAVID CARROLL. SORRY ABOUT THAT, SIR. NO, THAT'S ALL RIGHT. EVENING, COUNCIL. EVENING, MAYOR. THANKS FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK AGAIN. I LIVE ON ARNOLD DRIVE, AND WITH THE SPEED TRAILER STILL SITTING IN MY YARD FOR THE PAST MONTH, NOW THEY'RE AVERAGING IN A SIX DAY PERIOD, 6000 CARS ON ARNOLD DRIVE ALONE, 6000 I. SO I WOULD CAUTION THAT THE SPEED TRAILER FOR THE PD IS NOT A CALIBRATED UNIT. THE DEVICES THAT WE PUT OUT ARE CALIBRATED SO THAT THE MEASUREMENTS ARE MUCH MORE PRECISE. OKAY, WELL, THAT'S IN A SIX DAY PERIOD. YOUR GUYS CALIBRATED 600 DURING THE WEEKDAYS. CARS AT MY HOUSE. SHE JUST TOLD ME TONIGHT ON MY PHONE WHEN I WAS SITTING IN HERE, AN 800 ON THE WEEKEND. SO THAT'S PROBABLY AVERAGE, YOU KNOW, PRETTY CLOSE, PRETTY HIGH TOO. AND AND ARNOLD'S A CUT THROUGH LEE WOODS, A CUT THROUGH. I WOULD, I WOULD ASK YOU TO ADD TO THAT LIST. ABSOLUTELY. ON LEE WOOD YEAH, I OBVIOUSLY HOLLAND WAS CUT THROUGH ALSO. BUT YOU GUYS PUT A STOP SIGN AT LEAWOOD AND ARNOLD. I MEAN HOLLAND AND LEAWOOD. SO THAT MIGHT HAVE STOPPED A LOT OF IT THERE. YEAH. THEY ADDED A, THEY ADDED THE STOP SIGN THERE. THE HIGHEST SPEED WE'VE GOTTEN SO FAR ON MY STREET IS 59 MILES AN HOUR. AND THAT WAS BASED ON THE SPEED TRAILER, THE SPEED TRAILER, WHICH WE HAVE COME TO FIND THAT THAT HAS NOT BEEN CALIBRATED IN YEARS, EXPLAINED IT TO ME. SO THAT'S YEAH, IT'S NOT A IT'S NOT AN ACCURATE, ACCURATE WAY TO MEASURE ANY OF THE SPEED OUT THERE. THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE GO WITH THE PARTICULAR UNITS THAT WE DO USE. I'M PUTTING TWO BY FOURS WITH NAILS OUT THERE. WELL HOLD ON, HOLD ON, HOLD ON. I ACTUALLY HOLD ON. I DID I ACTUALLY SAY THAT I WAS CERTIFIED ON A SPEED MEASURING DEVICE YEARS AGO. AND I WOULD BE VERY CAREFUL BECAUSE IF IT'S NOT CALIBRATED, THAT'S FINE. THAT MEANS IT'S OFF. THEY COULD BE GOING FASTER THEN. SO IF YOU'RE SAYING 59 MILES AN HOUR AND IT'S NOT CALIBRATED, IT COULD BE AT 62, IT COULD BE 60 PLUS OR MINUS PROPERLY CALIBRATED. THAT IS THAT IS CORRECT. IT COULD GO EITHER WAY. BUT I WILL SAY WITH THE WAY WE COUNT THE DATA, IT'S BROKEN DOWN INTO 15 MINUTE INTERVALS SO THAT WE KNOW EXACTLY WHEN THE TRAFFIC IS HITTING AT EXACTLY WHAT POINTS IN THE DAY. ADDITIONALLY, THE SPEED THAT IS A IT'S A FIXED FUNCTION ON THERE. SO WE KNOW THAT THE SPEEDS THAT WE'RE GETTING ARE ACCURATE. PART OF THE ANALYSIS IS TO ACTUALLY REMOVE PIECES OF DATA THAT WE KNOW WOULD BE INACCURATE. SAY IF YOU HAVE A BICYCLE OR SOMETHING ELSE THAT HAS DIFFERENT WHEELBASES GOING OVER IT, WE KNOW THAT THOSE NUMBERS THROW WILL THROW OFF THE SYSTEM. SO LIKE I SAID, IT'S NOT A IT'S NOT JUST A SIMPLE, YOU KNOW, HEY, WE PLUG IN THE MACHINE, WE WALK AWAY FROM IT FOR A WEEK AND THEN COME BACK AND JUST BELIEVE WHAT THE MACHINE TELLS US. BUT THERE IS A, THERE IS AN AMOUNT OF ANALYSIS AND QUALITY CONTROL CHECKING THAT GOES INTO SPEED STUDIES WHEN THEY'RE BEING PERFORMED FOR AN ENGINEERING PURPOSE. WELL, I WILL SAY IT SOUNDS LIKE WE ONLY HAVE A COUPLE LOCATIONS, NOT MANY THROUGHOUT THE CITY. SOME, SOME OF THE ONES I'VE CONCERNS ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED. AGAIN, PINEAPPLE UNIVERSITY, YOU KNOW, THE FEW OTHER ONES IS ARNOLD. AND LIKE I SAID, KRILL AND POSSIBLY TO. LEE WOOD, I THINK IT'S LEE WOOD RIGHT THERE. IT'S A CUT THROUGH BETWEEN WICKHAM AND CROTON AT THE. YOU KNOW, THEY USE THOSE THREE MAJOR INTERSECTIONS, MAIN LINES IN AND OUT OF LEAWOOD THAT HAVE DIRECT STRAIGHT ROADS. AND THAT'S HOLLAND, ARNOLD AND LEAWOOD. YEAH. ROSEMARY IS KIND OF I MEAN, NOT ROSE. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ROSEMARY. ROSEMARY WHERE YOU CUT AROUND OR SHELBY OR SOMETHING. YEAH, THE OTHER ONE. BUT I DON'T THINK I SEE THAT MUCH TRAFFIC AND NOT MANY PEOPLE ON THE FACEBOOK PAGE COMMENT ABOUT THAT STREET. IT'S MAINLY LEE WITH ARNOLD AND THAT'S ABOUT IT. IF WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE THREE, I'LL BE HAPPY. WELL, WE'VE ALREADY LOOKED AT HOLLAND. WE LOOKED AT THAT IN 2024 AND WE DID FIND THAT THAT WAS 700 VEHICLES PER DAY. ABOUT 80% OF THAT IS CONCENTRATED INTO YOUR PEAK HOURS BETWEEN 7 AND 9, 4 TO 6. THAT LEAVES ABOUT 540 CARS OVER FOUR HOURS. SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE CAR ABOUT EVERY 30S. THAT'S NOT A THAT'S STILL [03:25:05] CLASSIFIES THAT ROADWAY AS A VERY LOW VOLUME ROADWAY. HOLLAND IS ACTUALLY A RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR BECAUSE IT'S ONE OF THE MAIN ROADWAYS COMING OUT OF THAT THING OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. FOR RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR ROADWAY, WE WOULD EXPECT TO SEE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 2000 AND 4000 VEHICLES PER DAY BEFORE THAT ROADWAY WOULD BE CONSIDERED OVERLOADED. THAT SUBDIVISION ALONE, WE LOOKED AT IT, DID A TRIP GENERATION ON IT, JUST LIKE WE DO WITH ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT COMES IN. IT WAS WITHIN ABOUT 10% OF WHAT WE EXPECTED TO SEE FOR VEHICLE TRIPS PER DAY ON THAT ROADWAY. WE HAD ABOUT 4600 TRIPS FOR THAT ENTIRE SUBDIVISION. SIX ENTRANCES COMES OUT TO RIGHT ABOUT 750, AND WE WERE SEEING 700. SO EVERYTHING ON THAT ROAD WAS DEAD WITHIN EXPECTATIONS. I WILL SAY THAT OVER THE PAST 20 YEARS, THE POPULATION HAS GONE UP IN MELBOURNE. SO A LOT OF THESE SUBDIVISIONS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, YOU KNOW, THERE MIGHT BE SOME INCREASE IN CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC THAT WE'RE NOT SEEING IN THESE NUMBERS POTENTIALLY. I'M NOT GOING TO ARGUE THAT THERE IS DEFINITELY THE POTENTIAL FOR THAT. BUT THE ROADWAYS ARE STILL OPERATING WITHIN THE EXPECTED PARAMETERS. AND IT'S NOT. THERE WERE NO INDICATORS THERE THAT REALLY TOLD US THAT, HEY, WE DO HAVE A MAJOR PROBLEM BECAUSE AGAIN, HOLLAND, THE 85TH PERCENTILE SPEED IS 29 MILES AN HOUR. IT'S WITHIN FIVE MILES AN HOUR OF THE POSTED SPEED LIMIT. IT'S JUST NOT A IT'S NOT JUMPING OFF THE PAPER LIKE UNIVERSITY DID, WHERE WE HAD A 20 MILE AN HOUR DIFFERENTIAL BETWEEN POSTED SPEED LIMIT AND OBSERVED SPEED LIMITS. SAME WITH PINEAPPLE LANSING, ACTUALLY, THAT WAS ONE THAT WE LOOKED AT. THE 85TH PERCENTILE SPEED WAS 36MPH, 11MPH OVER THE POSTED SPEED LIMIT. THAT ONE WARRANTED. SPEED HUMPS. WE'RE GOING THROUGH RESURFACING HERE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS. WE'RE PUTTING SPEED HUMPS IN THAT ONE. ABSOLUTELY 100%. IT MET THE CRITERIA. AND SPEED HUMPS ARE GOING IN. BUT LIKE I SAID A LOT OF TIMES WHAT RESIDENTS MAY PERCEIVE AND THEN WHAT WE GO OUT AND MEASURE WITH DATA. I MEAN, AND THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL WOULD BE INTERESTED IN DOING. AND IF YOU DON'T FEEL LIKE SEVEN DAYS IS ENOUGH DATA, WE CAN LEAVE THE COUNTERS OUT THERE FOR ANOTHER WEEK OR TWO. I'D LIKE TO COLLECT A BIGGER PICTURE. CAN I ASK IF YOU DO THAT? BECAUSE I NOTICED WHEN YOU PUT THE COUNTER OUT THERE, IT WAS CLOSER, LIKE FOUR HOUSES AWAY FROM LEAWOOD. CAN YOU PUT IT IN THE MIDDLE? SO THE GENERAL IDEA OF THE CARS COMING FROM BOTH DIRECTIONS, WE GENERALLY LOOK AT PLACING THE COUNTERS AT THE THE APPROPRIATE LOCATION WHERE WE'LL PICK UP THE MAXIMUM SPEED OF THE ROADWAY. GENERALLY YOU DON'T WANT TO PUT THE THE THE COUNTER RIGHT NEXT TO AN INTERSECTION BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO SHOW ARTIFICIALLY LOWER SPEEDS. YOU BASICALLY WANT TO PLACE IT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE, OF THE ROADWAY SO THAT YOU'RE CATCHING ACCELERATION OFF OF, YOU KNOW, THE TWO ROADWAYS THAT ARE COMING INTO IT. THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LOOK AT WHEN WE DO THE SIGHTING OF THESE THINGS IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAPTURE THE ABSOLUTE WORST CASE CONDITION. AND IT'S NOT JUST ONE COUNTER. LIKE IF WE DO A NEIGHBORHOOD, WE MAY DEPLOY MULTIPLE COUNTERS SO THAT WE CAN SEE WHERE TRAFFIC IS COMING FROM AND HOW IT'S ROUTING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOODS. SO IT'S NOT A, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT JUST TRYING TO, WE DEFINITELY TRY TO AVOID, YOU KNOW, CHERRY PICKING DATA OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT WOULD SHOW US NOT WANTING TO DO THE WORK. BECAUSE IF THERE IS A CONDITION OUT THERE THAT WARRANTS IT, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED THAT AND WE PUT THE APPROPRIATE FIX INTO PLACE. SO I SAID THAT WE TRY TO MAKE IT. WE TRY TO CAPTURE THE ABSOLUTE WORST POSSIBLE CASE FOR THAT ROADWAY AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S THE SPEED THAT WE'RE PICKING UP AND NOT DOING SOMETHING WHERE WE SET IT, WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GET LOWER SPEEDS BECAUSE OF HOW THE ROADWAY IS SET UP. LIKE YOU DON'T PUT THEM COMING OUT OF A CURB, YOU DON'T PUT THEM. WELL, YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT I MEAN, I LIVE SEVEN HOUSES IN, OFF OFF OF OFF OF GALILEE AND THERE IS A STREET ACROSS FROM ME. BUT I'M SAYING WHERE Y'ALL PUT IT IS FROM BETWEEN STREET THERE AND LEAWOOD WHEN WE GO, IF WE, IF WE DO A RECOUNT AND MAYBE DO AN EXTENDED COUNT ON THE ROADWAY, I'LL BE GLAD TO SIT DOWN WITH YOU AND SHOW YOU HOW WE'RE CITING IT AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAPTURE THE ABSOLUTE WORST CASE SCENARIO FOR THE ROADWAY. I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE? NO. GOOD DISCUSSION. THANK YOU FOR THE DISCUSSION. THANK YOU SIR. APPRECIATE YOU. [19. Selection of Exceptional Citizen Award for 2026 Q2.] OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON. AND I THINK WE SHOULD BE NUMBER 19 ELECTION EXCEPTIONAL CITIZEN AWARD. VOTING ON THIS IS MR. MCEWAN. THANK YOU. MAYOR. IN THE CURRENT QUARTER, ONE NOMINATION WAS SUBMITTED FOR THIS AWARD FOR SAMUEL PLUMMER. MR. PLUMMER WAS NOMINATED BY [03:30:01] OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. AS YOU KNOW, OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT WENT THROUGH AN EFFORT TO MARK STORM DRAINS AND MR. PLUMMER, OVER THE COURSE OF NINE MONTHS, MARKED OVER 1500 STORM DRAINS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. SO ENGINEERING THOUGHT IT WAS DESERVING TO NOMINATE FOR HIM, NOMINATE HIM FOR THIS AWARD. AND SO THE RECOMMENDED ACTION WOULD BE TO SELECT MR. PLUMMER. AND IF SO, WE'LL SCHEDULE A TIME TO PRESENT HIS AWARD AT A FUTURE COUNCIL MEETING. OKAY. ANY OBJECTION? NO OBJECTION. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? MOTION TO. MISS HANLEY SELECTION OF SAMUEL PLUMMER AS THIS QUARTER'S RECIPIENT OF EXCEPTIONAL CITIZEN'S AWARD? SECOND, HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND BY MR. NEWMAN. Y'ALL DOING ROCK, PAPER, SCISSORS? WHO WON THAT ONE? SHE DIDN'T PLAY OKAY, DIDN'T SHE? LOL MR. NEWMAN, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE AYE. THAT MOTION PASSES FOR MAYOR. BEFORE YOU MOVE, CAN I CAN I ASK ABOUT THIS EXCEPTIONAL PROGRAM? I WAS I WAS WONDERING WHAT'S THE SORT OF THE HISTORY OF THAT PROGRAM? AND IF WE EVER CONSIDER MAYBE EXPANDING TO SMALL BUSINESS OR NONPROFIT, WE DO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I'M JUST SO I'M JUST WANT TO SUBMIT SOMETHING. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. OKAY. YOU CAN'T SUBMIT YOURSELF. ALL RIGHT. NO, I OKAY. ALL RIGHT. [D. PETITIONS, REMONSTRANCES, AND COMMUNICATIONS] THANK YOU. SO I GUESS WE'RE AT THE PETITION FOR MONSTER COMMUNICATIONS. MR. NEWMAN. TWO THINGS. ONE SMALL ONE KIND OF COOL THING THAT CAME UP EARLIER TODAY. SO THE SMALL ONE IS THIS COULD BE AN EMAIL, BUT I'M JUST GOING TO ASK JENNY, JUST SO IT'S ON THE RECORD, IS THERE'S SOMEBODY OR ACTUALLY A COUPLE TIMES LAST WEEK I'VE HEARD ABOUT THE LIGHTING ON US ONE FROM LIKE BASICALLY IT'S ALL OF OURS FROM US FROM 192, GOING ALL THE WAY UP TO ABOUT POST ROAD. THEY'RE SAYING THAT FOR SOME REASON THAT THE LIGHTS AREN'T ON OR SOME ARE OUT OR THINGS LIKE THAT. IN THE EVENING WHEN THESE LADIES ARE DRIVING HOME FROM WORK. SO IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND JUST SEEING IF WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. YEAH, YEAH, THEY WERE ALL ON A WHILE BACK. SO YEAH, I WAS. WE WILL SEE WHAT'S GOING ON. YEAH. BUT THANK YOU I APPRECIATE THAT. AND THEN NUMBER TWO, AS YOU ALL MAY KNOW, AND WE JUST ACTUALLY RECOGNIZED HER WAS MISS DOT IS GETTING THE CONGRESSIONAL MEDAL OF HONOR THIS WEEK. SHE'S BEEN IN DC. IT'S REALLY EXCITING STUFF FOR HER. AND I'M UNFORTUNATELY THAT MR. MCNEIL LEFT BECAUSE HE HAD TALKED TO THE POLICE CHIEF WHO TALKED TO ME, AND THERE WAS THIS ROUNDABOUT DISCUSSION ABOUT SOMETHING WE COULD DO FOR HER. SHE'LL BE COMING BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING HERE, COMING UP IN APRIL. AND WE HAD THOUGHT ABOUT PERHAPS NAMING COLBERT CIRCLE AFTER HER. AND I WAS WONDERING IF IF COUNCIL MIGHT GIVE US CONSENSUS SO THAT FOR THAT MEETING, WE CAN NOT ONLY CONGRATULATE HER FOR WHAT SHE DID, BUT THEN ALSO SAY, COUNCIL IS SO PROUD OF YOU THAT WE'D LIKE TO NAME THE STREET AFTER YOU. SO I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE CONSENSUS FOR THAT. JENNY. SO BASICALLY, I BELIEVE WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS FOR IT TO BE A COUNCIL INITIATED. I DON'T HAVE THAT SECTION OF IT, BUT A COUNCIL INITIATED STREET NAME CHANGE. YES. OKAY. AND THEN IF THAT'S THE CASE, I'M NOT SURE WE CAN GET IT DONE, ALTHOUGH WE DO HAVE THREE WEEKS THIS TIME, BUT WE'LL AT LEAST BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU A STATUS UPDATE AT THAT POINT. SURE. PERFECT. WELL, THEN WE CAN AT LEAST TELL HER IF WE GOT CONSENSUS FROM EVERYBODY THAT THAT WE PUT AN APPLICATION FORWARD IN OUR HONOR. THE ONLY PROBLEM IS WITH THAT IS, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT IDEA, BUT ALL THOSE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON COLBERT CIRCLE NOW HAVE TO CHANGE. OR WE COULD DO THE ONE THAT'S BROWN LITTLE SIGN UNDER IT. WE JUST MADE A NEW LAW, A NEW CODE FOR THAT. SO WE COULD WE COULD DO SOMETHING MINIMAL, BUT IT DEPENDS. IF YOU WANT TO LOWER IT DOWN, WE CAN DISCUSS THAT. BUT I LIKE THE IDEA. YEAH, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE TO CHANGE EVERYBODY'S MAILING ADDRESSES AND EVERYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT. YEAH. A LOT OF THOSE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN THERE SINCE THE BEGINNING OF TIME. AND ON COLBERT CIRCLE, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST SAYING THERE THEY MIGHT GET IT, BUT I UNDERSTAND IT. BUT THAT'S THAT'S A BIG THING IS CHANGING. YOU'RE ON THE SAME SPOT, BUT CHANGING YOUR ADDRESSES. IT GETS AND MISS, ACTUALLY, MISS HANLEY I MEAN IT'S THAT'S ACTUALLY VERY FACTUAL BECAUSE IT'S A GREAT IDEA. LOVE IT. SOME PEOPLE HATE CHANGE THOUGH. AND THEY'RE THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THAT DRIVER'S LICENSE CHANGE ALL THAT. SO I WOULD ALMOST AND TO PIGGYBACK ON THAT, JUST A THOUGHT. I MEAN, WE CAN DO ANYTHING LIKE THAT, LIKE ON UNIVERSITY, JUST LIKE PUT A SIGN AS LIKE A, LIKE A LIKE, AND I HATE MISS DOTS EARS. WELL, WE ALREADY, WE ALREADY CREATED THAT NEW CODE. SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO CHANGE EVERY THING, RIGHT? IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE A BROWN SIGN THAT'S UNDER IT. WE APPROVED IT A COUPLE MONTHS AGO TO SAY IT'S HONORARY MISS DOT, ETC. ETC. ROAD, RIGHT. SO WE CAN DO THAT WITHOUT CHANGING EVERYBODY'S ADDRESS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. THAT WAS THE POINT OF THAT. SO THAT WAS GOOD. SO YOU GUYS OKAY GOING THROUGH WITH THAT? SO SHE'LL STILL HAVE THE COLBERT CIRCLE. THAT'D BE THEIR ADDRESS. AND THEN UNDER IT. AND THIS IS WHY SHE LIVES ON COLBERT, RIGHT? SHE DOES. YEAH. OKAY. AND SO THAT'S WHY AND THAT'S SPECIFICALLY WHY I PUSHED THAT [03:35:03] ONE RIGHT WHEN I GOT IN, BECAUSE WE WERE NAMING ALL THESE ROADS AND WAS MESSING PEOPLE UP AND ALL THAT. SO SO WE GOT CONSENSUS FOR THE SMALLER SIGN UNDER COLBERT CIRCLE, THEN FOR HONORARY SIGN. IS THAT. YEAH. THAT'S CORRECT. I LOVE THAT. YEAH. ANYTHING ELSE JUST IN THAT AREA. GREAT. ACTUALLY. ACTUALLY, MR. LARUSSO NODDED. YOU JUST DIDN'T SEE HIM. OKAY. IS THAT IT? OH, YEAH. THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MISS BASSETT. I DON'T HAVE A LOT, I JUST. EVERYBODY LIKE THE FLU SEASON KICKING OUR HOUSES, BUT REALLY HARD THE PAST FEW WEEKS. BUT I WAS ABLE I WAS WELL ENOUGH TO DO THE SAINT PATRICK'S DAY PARADE AND THAT WAS REALLY NICE. WE HAD MORE COUNCIL MEMBERS ON THE THE FIRETRUCK THING THAN NORMAL. SO THAT WAS A LOT OF FUN AND VERY WELL ATTENDED. AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE CHRISTMAS PARADE COME BACK. NOT SURE HOW TO PUT FEELERS OUT THERE OF WHO'S INTERESTED. I'VE ALREADY GOT SOMEONE THAT'S GOING TO DO THAT. YAY. YEAH, ACTUALLY, YEAH, HE CONTACTED ME AND NAMED JOE KILMER. HE USED TO OWN TOP NOTCH LANDSCAPING. HE NOW OWNS AMERICAN AIR HEATING. PLUMBING. OH, AND HE HAD HE HAD CONTACTED ME ABOUT THAT AND I TOLD HIM IT WAS ABOUT $20,000. AND HE, HE SAID HE WAS LIKE, YEAH, DONE. YEAH. WELL, THAT'S WHAT HE SAID. SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO TRY TO COME UP WITH MONEY OR HELP OR SOMETHING. SO I DON'T KNOW IF HE CONTACTED YOUR OFFICE YET. HE SAID HE'S GOING TO DO IT VERY SOON. I'LL PROBABLY TEXT HIM, LET HIM KNOW THAT. BUT I TOLD HIM HE NEED TO GET IN THERE BY AUGUST, SO I WAS GOING TO MENTION THAT. THAT'D BE GREAT. OKAY, BUT THAT'S ALL I HAVE. YEAH. ON THAT NOTE, WHAT ARE WE DOING FOR THE 250TH BIRTHDAY OF AMERICA? IS THERE SOMETHING IN PLAN FOR THAT? DID YOU LIKE OUR ANNUAL FIREWORKS PARADE? YEAH, I, I ACTUALLY, I KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING THE ANNUAL PARADE, BUT I, I SPOKE, I'M THE PAST PRESIDENT OF THE SPACE COAST LICENSE ASSOCIATION. I SPOKE TO THAT GROUP AND THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE TRYING TO PUT TOGETHER ONE OF THEIR SONS WORKS AND DOES ALL THE DRONES. SO THEY MAY, THEY MAY COME AND MENTION MAYBE DONATING, LIKE THE DRONE SHOW COCOA BEACH DID DOING SOMETHING THAT PRIOR TO THE FIREWORKS. I DON'T KNOW YET. THEY'RE STILL WORKING ON THAT, BUT I DON'T KNOW. IT'S, IT'S NOW UNDER A NONPROFIT, BUT YES. OKAY, OKAY. YEAH, WE'LL SEE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S ON OUR RADAR. THAT'S A BIG DEAL. I WON'T LET THEM LET IT GO. OKAY, OKAY. AND THEN ANYTHING ELSE, MA'AM? NO. SMITHFAMILY. I WENT TO THE PARK THEY HAD DOING SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY NOW, AND THEY DID ABOUT DEALING WITH CHURCHES. AND I HAPPENED TO BE ON THE SAME DAY THAT THE SYNAGOGUE GOT SHOT UP IN MICHIGAN. SO THEY HAD A LOT OF MINISTERS COME IN AND DO THAT. THE NEXT ONE, WHICH IS NEXT MONTH. DON'T ASK ME THE DATE. THEY'RE DOING ONE ON E-BIKES, ON THE E-BIKE SITUATIONS THERE. SO AND I GOT A MEETING ON MONDAY. YAY. SO THAT'S ALL I GOT. OKAY, MAYOR. I WENT TO THE SAINT PATRICK'S PARADE. THAT WAS A LOT OF FUN. BEAUTIFUL DAY. PCR. SO LOTS OF GOOD THINGS HAPPENING AROUND COMMUNITY. YOU HEARD FROM THE NONPROFITS TODAY? I THINK THAT WAS THAT WAS GREAT TO HEAR THE PROGRESS. AND JUST THANK YOU ALL FOR CONTINUING SUPPORT AND THE CHALLENGE TO, TO DO THE WORK. YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S IT. SO YEAH, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING THAT'S BEEN VERY BUSY. I'M GOING TO END THE MEETING AT * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.