DO YOU KNOW WHAT? HELLO? ALL RIGHT. WELL, THAT WAS LOUD. [Fire Station 72 Public Meeting on April 20, 2026.] [00:00:07] THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. WE'RE GOING TO GET STARTED. THIS IS RECORDED. SO IF ANYBODY WANTS TO CATCH IT LATER OR COULDN'T MAKE IT, LET FOLKS KNOW. IT USUALLY TAKES 24 HOURS OR SO FOR THE RECORDING TO COME ONLINE. I WILL JUST REITERATE AGAIN, THERE IS A SIGN UP SHEET UP HERE. SO IF YOU DO WANT TO GET MORE INFORMATION AS THIS GOES TO COUNCIL, IT HASN'T YET BEEN SCHEDULED FOR DISCUSSION FOR COUNCIL. FEEL FREE TO SIGN IN. WE ALSO HAVE SIGN IN SHEETS UP HERE AS WELL. I'M JUST GOING TO GO OVER QUICK INTRODUCTIONS. I'M JOAN BROWN, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, STARTED WITH THE CITY IN JUNE OF 2020. SO RELATIVELY NEW HERE. WE HAVE OUR CITY MANAGER JENNY LAMB. WE HAVE A COUPLE REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS WHO WERE INVOLVED WITH DEVELOPMENT OR AT SOME POINT HAVE TOUCHED THIS PROJECT. SO IF YOU COULD JUST RAISE YOUR HAND WHEN I SAY YOUR NAME, WE HAVE CINDY DITTMER, DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. CHIEF SHANE. LEACH. FIRE. CHIEF. NIKKI. CALDWELL. PARKS AND REC DIRECTOR. AND I DON'T SEE JAMES ENNIS HE'S, OUR CITY ENGINEER. BUT HE'LL PROBABLY BE DOWN HERE SHORTLY. WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF FOLKS FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AS WELL. SO I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. THIS COMMUNITY MEETING IS THIS COMING OUT? OKAY. SO THIS IS A COMMUNITY MEETING, A REQUIRED MEETING. IT'S NOT A COUNCIL MEETING. THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY FORMAL ACTION TONIGHT. THIS IS A DISCUSSION FOR THE TWO FIRE STATION OR SORRY, THE TWO SITES HAVE TO LOOK INTO. DO A LITTLE BIT MORE DUE DILIGENCE. GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK IF EVERYBODY CAN JUST HOLD QUESTIONS UNTIL THE END AND THEN WE'LL ANSWER YOUR. AM I NEW BATTERIES? LET ME TRY THIS. HOW'S THAT? OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO WE DID INTRODUCTIONS. WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PURPOSE OF THE MEETING. I DID WANT TO NOTE THERE WAS THE JULY 8TH MEETING THAT I KNOW A LOT OF YOU CAME OUT AND SPOKE UNDER PUBLIC COMMENT. THAT WAS THE FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENT AND SITE PLAN FOR THE PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED SITE AT JIMMY MOORE PARK. COUNCIL DENIED THAT FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENT CHALLENGE STAFF. DID YOU GUYS LOOK AT OTHER SITES? HAVE YOU DONE YOUR DUE DILIGENCE ON OTHER POSSIBLE SITES? OCTOBER 14TH THAT CAME BACK TO COUNCIL. COUNCIL LOOKED AT FIVE SITES TASKED STAFF TO DO DUE FURTHER DUE DILIGENCE ON TWO ADDITIONAL SITES. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT TODAY. THAT'S THE MAJORITY OF TODAY'S DISCUSSION. AND HOPEFULLY YOU CAN SEE THE POWERPOINT THAT'S UP THERE. IF YOU CAN'T AGAIN THERE'S POWERPOINT SLIDES HERE. SO SOME OF YOU HAVE ASKED ME, HOW DID YOU NOTICE THIS MEETING? I DIDN'T GET A NOTICE. IT'S A COMMUNITY MEETING. SO IT'S NOT REALLY A REQUIRED NOTICING. THERE'S NOT A REQUIRED NOTICING DISTANCE IF YOU WILL. THERE'S A 500 FOOT DISTANCE COURTESY NOTICE FOR PUBLIC MEETINGS, PUBLIC HEARINGS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SO WE USE THAT AS KIND OF OUR GUIDEPOST. WE ALSO PUT IT OUT ON SOCIAL MEDIA. WE PUT NOTICES, FLIERS AT THE PARK, AND IT WAS ALSO ADVERTISED ON THE CITY'S COMMUNITY CALENDAR. ONE OF THE REASONS THAT BRINGS US HERE TODAY IS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE WHY. WHY ARE WE LOOKING TO REPLACE FIRE STATION 72? ONE OF THOSE REASONS IS FIRE STATION 72 WAS BUILT IN 1966. IT'S 3200FT². HALF OF THAT ARE BAYS FOR THE APPARATUS. IT IS CURRENTLY IT WAS BUILT TO SUIT THREE PEOPLE. I BELIEVE THERE'S PROBABLY EIGHT FIRE PERSONNEL AT THAT SITE TODAY, OR MAYBE ABOUT FIVE. WE ARE LOOKING AT AN AGING FACILITY THAT'S BEEN REMODELED A LOT OVER TIME. AND WITH THAT COMES OTHER AGING INFRASTRUCTURE THAT OCCURS AND CALL VOLUME. LOOKING AT WHERE THE LOCATION IS CURRENTLY IS TRULY ONE OF THE IDEAL SITES. IT KEEPS OUR AVERAGE RESPONSE TIMES LOW AND KEEPS US IN LINE WITH NFPA. SO NFPA MINIMUM STANDARDS IS KIND OF THE DRIVING FORCE AS TO WHY WE WERE LOOKING AT VERY SPECIFIC SITES, AND WE'LL PUT UP ON THE SCREEN THE FIVE SITES THAT WE BROUGHT FORWARD TO COUNCIL ON OCTOBER 14TH. BUT THE STANDARDS ARE IT SPEAKS TO THE STRUCTURE OF THE FACILITY, THE WIND LOADS OF THE FACILITY, HAVING ENOUGH ENGINE BAYS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE RIGHT APPARATUS ON SITE, AND THEN LOOKING AT THE 50 YEAR LONGER LIFE TERM EXPECTANCY OF A FIRE STATION. WE ALSO WANTED TO CONSIDER FUTURE GROWTH. SO AS WE KNOW, MOST OF THE RESPONSE AREA CALL VOLUMES ARE EAST OF WICKHAM ROAD, BUT THERE'S ALSO SOME GROWTH OUT WEST. [00:05:01] SO WE DID LOOK AT SOME SITES THAT KIND OF LOOK AT WHAT IS THAT FUTURE GROWTH LOOK LIKE WITH ALL OF THE PROJECTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY EITHER UNDER REVIEW OR RECENTLY APPROVED. EMERGENCY RESPONSE TIMES. SO AGAIN, THIS IS THE DRIVING FACTOR FOR WHY WE WOULD LOCATE A FIRE STATION IN A PARTICULAR LOCATION VERSUS ANOTHER LOCATION. SO WE HAVE A RESPONSE AVERAGE RESPONSE TIMES ESTABLISHED BY NFPA. OUR CURRENT RESPONSE TIME IS JUST UNDER FIVE MINUTES. MORE THAN 70% OF THOSE CALLS, AS I MENTIONED, ARE EAST OF WICKHAM ROAD. AND I WON'T BORE YOU INTO THE DETAILS OF HOW FAST A FIRE ENGINE GOES AND HOW MANY MILES IT GOES, AND THAT TIME. THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO NOTE IS WE ARE CURRENTLY IMPLEMENTING EMERGENCY VEHICLE PREEMPTION, AND AT SOME POINT IN THIS EVENING, CHIEF LEACH CAN EXPLAIN IN DETAIL WHAT THAT IS, BUT ESSENTIALLY AS AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE IS COMING UP TO A LIGHT, THERE'S A SENSOR IN THE TRUCK THAT WILL TRIGGER THAT LIGHT TO TURN GREEN, SO THE RESPONSE TIMES CAN BE FURTHER IMPROVED. THIS JUST DEPICTS THE FIRE STATION 72 RESPONSE AREA. A COUPLE OF DATA POINTS. 2025. THERE WERE A TOTAL OF JUST OVER 3000 CALLS FOR SERVICE. PRIORITY CALLS. PRIORITY ONE CALLS HAD AN AVERAGE RESPONSE TIME OF FOUR MINUTES AND 28 SECONDS. 2026 YEAR TO DATE, WE'RE UP TO 772 CALLS AND PRIORITY ONE CALLS AVERAGE OF FOUR MINUTES AND 15 SECONDS. AND JUST TO DEPICT THE STATION, CURRENTLY IT'S WHERE THE YELLOW STAR IS ON THAT MAP. THIS IS A DEPICTION OF THE HEAT MAP. SO THIS IS WHERE THE CALLS ARE COMING FROM. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, 2025, A LOT OF THAT RED WHERE THE HEAT MAP IS SHOWING THE CALLS THAT IS EAST OF WICKHAM ROAD. AND IF YOU LOOK AT 2026 YEAR TO DATE, YOU CAN SEE IT'S TRENDING IN THAT SAME DIRECTION. OKAY. SO JULY 8TH, COUNCIL RECEIVED THE PRESENTATION FROM STAFF ON THE FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENT TO CHANGE 2.6 ACRES OF THE OVERALL JIMMY MOORE SITE TO AN INSTITUTIONAL LAND USE THAT WOULD ALLOW A FIRE STATION. THE ENTIRE SITE IS CURRENTLY HAS A FUTURE LAND USE OF RECREATION. COUNCIL DENIED THE FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENT. THEREFORE NO FURTHER ACTION ON THE SITE PLAN. WHAT COUNCIL DID CHALLENGE STAFF WAS. DID YOU LOOK AT OTHER SITES? WHAT OTHER SITES DID YOU DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE ON? WHILE STAFF DID LOOK AT ADDITIONAL SITES, THERE WASN'T A LOT OF HEARTY REVIEW AND AND EVALUATION OF WHAT THOSE SITES ARE, WHAT THE FEASIBILITY OF THOSE SITES ARE. SO THEN OCTOBER 14TH, THIS IS WHEN WE BROUGHT TO COUNCIL FIVE SITES AND HOPEFULLY YOU CAN SEE IT ON THERE. BUT THE ORANGE BOX DEPICTS THE SITE AND YOU CAN SEE RANGING FROM WEST OF OF WICKHAM ROAD. THERE'S A SITE NUMBER ONE IS A CITY OWNED PARCEL. IT'S THREE ACRES AND THAT'S ON SARNO WITH FRONTAGE. SITE NUMBER TWO IS BETWEEN CLUB 52 AND WALMART. THAT'S A PRIVATELY OWNED COMMERCIAL SITE. SITE NUMBER THREE IS THE EXISTING FIRE STATION SITE BECAUSE STAFF THOUGHT, WELL, MAYBE WE CAN LOOK AT FILLING IN A PORTION OF THE POND AND BUILDING, YOU KNOW, A BIGGER FOOTPRINT ON WHERE IT CURRENTLY IS. SITE FOUR IS A PRIVATELY OWNED COMMERCIAL SITE, AND THEN SITE FIVE IS THE PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED JIMMY MOORE PARK SITE. SO ON OCTOBER 14TH, STAFF DID THE PRESENTATION ON ALL OF THE SITE'S VARIOUS FEATURES OF THE SITE, WHETHER THE SITE IS DEVELOPABLE, WHETHER WHETHER THE SITE IS AVAILABLE, WHETHER THE SITE HAS ACCESS WHEN COUNCIL DEBATED, THEY LOOKED AT SITES TWO, WHICH IS BOOZER PROPERTY, THE COMMERCIAL SITE, THE FIRST CIRCLE THERE IN BLUE, AND THE SECOND SITE WAS SITE FIVE, THE PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED JIMMY MOORE PARK. NOW I WILL SAY COUNCIL'S OPTION UP. THEIR PRIORITY OPTION WAS OPTION TWO, THE PRIVATE COMMERCIAL SITE. SO THE STAFF SORRY COUNCIL ASKED STAFF TO GO AND DO FURTHER DUE DILIGENCE ON THE SITE. WE'RE LOOKING RIGHT NOW AT THE PRIVATE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THAT IS BETWEEN CLUB 52 AND WALMART. AND THIS IS KNOWN AS THE BOOZER SITE. IT'S THE NAME OF THE OWNER THAT CURRENTLY OWNS IT. A COUPLE OF FEATURES OF THIS SITE. IT'S ABOUT 2.6 ACRES. IT IS ZONED HEAVY COMMERCIAL. I'M SORRY. IT'S FUTURE LAND USE, HEAVY COMMERCIAL, ZONED COMMERCIAL AND ALLOWS A FIRE STATION WITHOUT ANY REZONING. THE RESPONSE TIME. IF THAT FIRE STATION WAS RELOCATED THERE INCREASES THE RESPONSE TIME BY 23 SECONDS. NOT GREAT, BUT REALITY. PHASE ONE ENVIRONMENTAL SITE ASSESSMENT WAS DONE. LOOKED AT THE SITE. THE INITIAL EVALUATION SAYS THAT THERE WAS POTENTIALLY SOME RECOGNIZED ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS WARRANTED A PHASE TWO. [00:10:01] IT DOES SAY PHASE TWO IS UNDERWAY. ACTUALLY JUST RECEIVED THAT REPORT ON FRIDAY AND THE SITE CAME BACK SUITABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT. DOESN'T HAVE ENVIRONMENTAL CONTAMINANTS. IT DOES NOTE THAT THERE ARE WETLANDS. IF YOU LOOK AT THE GREEN SHADING, THOSE ARE DEPICTING WETLANDS. WHAT THAT MEANS IS WHEN THE GEOTECH REPORT CAME BACK, IT RECOGNIZED THAT THERE'S HARDPAN LIKE MATERIAL AND NOT SUITABLE SOILS FOR WITHHOLDING A BUILDING OF THAT SIZE. SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS IT'LL COST A LITTLE BIT MORE TO BUILD UP THE SITE, GET IT PAD READY. THERE'S A LISTING PRICE OF 1.08 MILLION ON THAT PROPERTY. WE HAD IT APPRAISED AT THE END OF 2025. THE APPRAISAL DOES NOTE THAT WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS, WITH THE MATERIALS AND THE SOILS, IS IT REALLY WORTH 1.8 MILLION? AND THEN THE FISCAL IMPACT OF THAT SITE, JUST LETTING COUNCIL KNOW IF YOU TAKE A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OFF THE TAX ROLLS, THAT'S LESS TAX REVENUE. YOU HAVE TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE SERVICES. SO THAT'S JUST A NOTE TO LOOK AT THE TAX REVENUE. SITE FIVE IS THE JIMMY MOORE SITE. SO WE KNOW A LOT ABOUT THIS SITE. WE'RE THERE CURRENTLY WE'RE JUST ON THE OPPOSITE END. IT'S THE PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED SITE WAS LOOKING AT ABOUT 2.6 ACRES. THE FUTURE LAND USE WAS RECREATION, SO NOT SUITABLE FOR A FIRE STATION WITHOUT GOING THROUGH A FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENT. THE ZONING IS INSTITUTIONAL, SO THE ZONING WORKS FOR FIRE STATION. THE RESPONSE TIME WOULD ACTUALLY REDUCE BY 10S. SO THAT'S FAVORABLE. THERE IS NO ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS ON THE SITE, NO WETLANDS ON THE SITE, AND THERE'S NO FISCAL IMPACT TO THE CITY BECAUSE THE CITY ALREADY OWNS THAT SITE. STAFF LOOKED AT DEVELOPMENT COST COMPARISON, SO WE LOOKED AT THEM SIDE BY SIDE. SITE TWO, WHICH IS THE PRIVATE SITE, HAS A COST OF A LITTLE OVER A MILLION FOR FOR SALE. WETLAND MITIGATION WAS ESTIMATED AT ABOUT 150 000. SOILS REPLACEMENT AT ABOUT A MILLION. ENVIRONMENTAL REMEDIATION IS ZERO BECAUSE PHASE TWO CAME BACK CLEAN. BUILDABLE SITE ENGINEERING AND PERMITTING. THAT WILL DEPEND ON WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE TO MODIFY THE THE PROPOSED ENGINEERED PLANS AND WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, CONFIGURE A DRIVEWAY, BRING UTILITIES TO THE SITE. THERE ARE OTHER CONDITIONS THAT WE JUST DON'T HAVE RIGHT NOW. AND THEN CONSTRUCTION, THIS IS AN ESTIMATE, BUT FIRE STATIONS ARE RUNNING ANYWHERE FROM 10 TO 15 MILLION. DEPENDS ON THE SIZE OF THE FIRE STATION. SATELLITE BEACH, YOU KNOW, MAY HAVE BEEN ABOUT TEN A SITE, A FIRE STATION OF THIS SIZE, ONE JUST FINISHED IN PALM BAY ON PALM BAY ROAD THAT WAS FUNDED IN 2022. JUST FINISHED CONSTRUCTION. THAT WAS 7.5 MILLION. SO IT JUST GIVES YOU A REFERENCE. AND THEIR STATION WAS 12,500FT², HAD THREE BAYS ROUGHLY THE SAME SIZE AS THE PROPOSED THE PROPOSAL YOU SAW ON JULY 8TH. SO IT GIVES YOU KIND OF A REFERENCE POINT. SO THIS WAS THE PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED SITE THAT EVERYBODY SAW THAT COUNCIL DELIBERATED ON JULY 8TH. AND JUST AS A REMINDER, THERE'S A COUPLE OF FEATURES OF THE SITE WE'RE LOOKING AT. THE GRASSY AREA AND PART OF THE PLAYGROUND AREA THAT IS ON THE EAST SIDE OF JIMMY MOORE PARK. THERE. THE THE PREVIOUS ENGINEER DID NOTE A 75 FOOT BUFFER. THEY DID NOTE A CONCRETE WALL. I BELIEVE THE CONCRETE WALL WAS EIGHT FEET. CODE REQUIRES SIX. THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET A VARIANCE OR A WAIVER TO NOT HAVE A CONCRETE WALL, ALTHOUGH SOME OF THAT WOULD BE REALLY UP TO DISCUSSION AS WE GET INTO QUESTION AND ANSWER, IF THAT'S EVEN SOMETHING WE'RE ALL WILLING TO CONSIDER. THIS, AGAIN, IS THE RENDERINGS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE PREVIOUSLY SEEN. AND WHAT THIS SHOWS IS A FOUR BAY STATION. IT IS ONE STOREY WITH A MEZZANINE ON THE SIDE OF THE BAYS. THE BAYS ARE REQUIRED TO BE THAT TALL TO ACCOMMODATE THE APPARATUS. AND SO THERE IS A 60 FOOT WIDE, LONG, 12 FOOT WIDE, DEEP MEZZANINE THAT RUNS ALONG THAT EAST SIDE OF THE LAST BAY. WHAT YOU SEE IN THE MIDDLE IS A WHERE THE RED IS. THAT'S A LOBBY JUST NEXT TO THAT, WHERE YOU SEE BRICK AND RED FIRE DOORS. THAT'S THE STAGING OF THE ANTIQUE FIRE TRUCK. AND THEN TO THE WEST OF THAT IS THE COMMUNITY ROOM. AND SO THE BOTTOM PICTURE YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE BACK END OF IT. AND IF YOU NOTE THE TALLER STRUCTURE IS AN ENCLOSED STAIRWELL. THAT'S FOR FIREFIGHTERS TO TRAIN GOING UP AND DOWN STAIRWELLS. THIS SLIDE DEPICTS THE FLOOR PLAN. IT IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT TO SEE, BUT I DID HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE OF UNIQUE FEATURES TO THIS PARTICULAR FIRE STATION. SO IN THE RED IS AN ENCLOSED STAIRWELL. IT IS FOR STAIRS, BUT IT'S THREE THREE STORIES. [00:15:07] THE GREEN IS THE TRAINING ROOM OR EOC. AND THAT IS WHEN OUR GUYS AND GALS ARE, YOU KNOW, DOING THEIR TRAINING OR PREPARING FOR A HURRICANE. AND THERE'S, YOU KNOW, A HURRICANE RATED FACILITY FOR GUYS AND GALS TO GO DURING THE STORM OR BE AVAILABLE TO RESPOND AFTER A STORM. AND THEN IN THE BLUE IS WHERE THE ANTIQUE FIRE STATION WAS PROPOSED TO BE STAGED. SO PROPOSED SITE IMPROVEMENTS. WE TALKED ABOUT THIS WITH STAFF. WE WE REALLY WERE KIND OF LOOKING AT WHAT WERE THE CONCERNS THAT WE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC. WHAT ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE COULD DO TO POTENTIALLY IMPROVE THE SITE? SOME OF THE THINGS THAT AREN'T ON HERE THAT I'LL GET INTO AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT, AND WE'RE ALL HERE TO HEAR FROM YOU. WE ARE. WE HEARD THE CONCERN ABOUT THE EIGHT FOOT CONCRETE WALL. THE CODE DOES REQUIRE SIX. WE COULD SEEK A VARIANCE, BUT THE GOAL OF THAT CONCRETE WALL IS TO PROVIDE THAT BUFFER BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL ON THE EAST AND SOUTH SIDE. UNDERSTANDING. NOBODY WANTS TO LOOK AT A CONCRETE WALL. THERE'S THE ABILITY TO ALSO DO VEGETATIVE BUFFER IN FRONT OF THAT CONCRETE WALL, BUT THAT JUST CREATES THE BUFFER BETWEEN THE RESIDENTS AND THE INSTITUTIONAL ZONING PART OF OUR REQUIREMENT IN THE CODE REPLACEMENT OF THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT. SO THERE ARE TWO PIECES OF EQUIPMENT ON SITE CURRENTLY. I'M SORRY, ONE NOW THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE THAT ACTUALLY WAS DETERIORATING. STAFF HAD TO PULL THAT OUT FOR SAFETY REASONS. SO CURRENTLY THERE'S THERE'S ONE ON SITE. WE'VE ALSO TALKED ABOUT ACTIVATING SOME OF THE GREEN SPACE, PROVIDE MORE AMENITIES FOR CHILDREN FOR ADULTS, THINGS LIKE BOCCE BALL WORKOUT STATIONS. AND I'VE GOT PHOTOS OF THOSE ON THE NEXT SLIDE. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE EXISTING RESTROOMS, RENOVATING THOSE RESTROOMS. AND WE'VE ALSO TALKED ABOUT IN THE FUTURE, DEMOLISHING FIRE STATION 72, WHERE IT CURRENTLY EXISTS AND PROVIDING ADDITIONAL PUBLIC PARKING. THERE'S A LOT OF UNSAFE, ILLEGAL PARKING THAT HAPPENS ON SARNO ROAD. BUT BRINGING THAT BACK ON SITE AND PUTTING IN A HARD CURB. THESE ARE SOME PHOTOS OF SOME OF THOSE AMENITIES THAT I MENTIONED. SO THERE'S A CHECKERBOARD TABLE, A BOCCE BALL TABLE, CORNHOLE, CORNHOLE, TETHER TETHERBALL. AND THEN THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT JUST KIND OF DEPICTS WHERE THOSE LOCATIONS COULD BE AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. ADDITIONAL PROPOSED PARK ENHANCEMENTS. THIS IS A. IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, THERE ARE RED STARS. THESE DEPICT WHERE THE LOCATIONS FOR THE WORKOUT STATIONS WOULD BE AROUND THE STORMWATER POND, AND THOSE ARE JUST IMAGES OF WHAT THOSE WORKOUT STATIONS LOOK LIKE. CHILDREN AND ADULTS. SO NEXT STEPS AND PUBLIC INPUT. SO WE DID HEAR CONCERN. FOLKS THOUGHT THAT MAYBE THIS WAS A MEETING THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE SOME ACTION. THIS IS REALLY, YOU KNOW, OUR STEP IN BETWEEN COUNCIL'S DIRECTION TO DO ADDITIONAL DUE DILIGENCE AND COUNCIL BRING THIS BACK TO COUNCIL FOR FURTHER DIRECTION. SO THERE ARE ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR PUBLIC INPUT. THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I ASKED IF YOU COULD SIGN IN, BECAUSE WHEN THAT COMES TO COUNCIL, YOU'LL GET NOTIFIED. SO IF COUNCIL WERE TO LOOK AT SITE TWO, REALLY THE LAND ACQUISITION IS THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD COME BACK. COME BACK TO COUNCIL. THE SITE IS ZONED APPROPRIATELY, SO THERE'S NO FURTHER ACTION THERE. SITE FIVE, WHICH IS THE JIMMY MOORE PARK, AS I MENTIONED, THAT IS A RECREATION FUTURE LAND USE. SO THAT WOULD REQUIRE A LAND USE AMENDMENT THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO TO PNC AND TO COUNCIL. TWO OPPORTUNITIES TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, ANY FURTHER SITE PLAN APPROVAL THAT WOULD ALSO HAVE TO GO TO COUNCIL. SO SEVERAL MORE OPPORTUNITIES TO HAVE YOUR VOICES HEARD. I'M GOING TO STOP THERE. I'M SURE THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS. WE COULD PROBABLY PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, BUT I FIGURED WE'LL OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS. AND WE'VE GOT STAFF IN THE ROOM. SO DEPENDING ON WHAT YOUR QUESTIONS ARE, I MAY PASS THAT MIC TO A STAFF MEMBER. SO DO WE HAVE ANYBODY THAT HAS A QUESTION OR WANTS TO START? OKAY, GIVE ME ONE SECOND. I'M GOING TO HOLD THIS ONE BECAUSE THIS ONE WORKS. OKAY. THANK YOU. IT'S ON. HELLO? TESTING, TESTING. HOW YOU GUYS DOING? THANKS FOR COMING. AS WE ALL KNOW, WE NEED A FIRE DEPARTMENT REPLACEMENT, RIGHT? JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS. I FEEL LIKE I'M TALKING. CAN I GO OUT THERE AND TALK BACK? SURE. I JUST FEEL LIKE I'M TALKING TO THE WALL. SO. I'M LANCE, BY THE WAY. I LIVE AT 2753 ALGONQUIN DRIVE. [00:20:05] IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. OBVIOUSLY. THAT'S WHY I'M HERE. I KNOW WE NEED A FIRE STATION. THE FIRST THING IS, IS, YOU KNOW WHERE IT IS NOW. IT WAS PUT THERE FOR A REASON, RIGHT. AWAY FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I MEAN, THAT'S WAS ONE OF THEIR MAIN THOUGHTS BEHIND DOING THE FIRE STATION WAS, IS KEEP IT AWAY FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND GIVE IT A LARGE BUFFER SO WE DON'T HEAR THE NOISE. I KNOW MIMI, AT THE LAST MEETING TALKED ABOUT THE NOISE OF THE. SHE HEARS THE NOISE OF THE SIRENS AND EVERYTHING. IF YOU PUT THAT IN OUR BACKYARD. I WILL HIT THE ROOF AT 3:00 IN THE MORNING. OKAY. OKAY. WE CAN GO BACK TO THAT LATER, BUT I WILL HIT THE ROOF AT 3:00 IN THE MORNING WITH THAT SIREN, AND THAT'S NOT FAIR. I'VE LIVED THERE MY ENTIRE LIFE, AND I JUST FEEL LIKE. WE'VE PAID ENOUGH TAXES. YOU GUYS COULD FILL IN THAT WHOLE POND IF YOU WANTED TO AND KEEP IT THERE, I DON'T CARE. CHANGE THE DRAINAGE, WHATEVER. I MEAN, SITE NUMBER TWO. LET ME JUST ASK THIS REAL QUICK. SITE NUMBER TWO WITH THE RAISE OF HANDS OF. I ALREADY KNOW WHAT THESE PEOPLE THINK. WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK? SITE TWO. OF COURSE WE'RE NOT AGAINST. NO, I'M ASKING. I'M ASKING THE FIREFIGHTERS AND YOU GUYS. SITE NUMBER. THAT'S NOT UP TO US. THAT'S THE COUNCIL'S DECISION. I MEAN, DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION ABOUT IT? I MEAN, WE'RE ALL. YOU DON'T. OKAY. I JUST WANT A FIRE STATION BILL. I AGREE. ONE OF THOSE TWO SPOTS. OKAY, SO. SITE NUMBER TWO. DOES IT HAVE THE RIGHT SIZE TO PUT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THERE ON SITE NUMBER TWO? THAT'S AN ENGINEERING QUESTION, BUT I BELIEVE I BELIEVE YES. OKAY. STAND OVER HERE IN CASE WE NEED TO PASS THE MICROPHONE. BUT YES, AS FAR AS WE'RE AWARE, THE SITE COULD FIT. THE PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED MAY NEED SOME MODIFICATIONS. OKAY. AND THE GEO TESTING WAS GOOD, RIGHT? PASSED. GOOD. RIGHT. THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS ON THE GEOTECH. IT DID HAVE SOILS CONDITIONS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE REMEDIATED OR BUILT UP TO CREATE, BUT IT WASN'T AS BAD AS WE THOUGHT IT CAN BE BUILT ON. GOOD. WATER. I KNOW THERE WAS A CONCERN ABOUT WATER AT THE OTHER TRAINING FACILITY BEHIND WENDY'S WATER AND CHEMICAL AND, YOU KNOW, TRAINING AND STUFF. LIKE, IS THERE A PROBLEM AT THIS SITE WITH THAT AS FAR AS ENVIRONMENTAL CONTAMINANTS? NO. NO. DO YOU NEED AN EIGHT FOOT WALL? NOT REQUIRED. NOT REQUIRED. NOT REQUIRED FOR THIS SITE. NUMBER TWO, FOR SITE NUMBER TWO, YOU DON'T NEED AN EIGHT FOOT WALL THAT SAVES MONEY, RIGHT? IS THERE A CONCERN ABOUT NOISE OVER THERE? YOU GOT WALMART AND THERE'S REALLY NO CONCERN ABOUT NOISE OVER THERE. RIGHT. THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT FIREFIGHTER SAFETY ACROSS THE INTERSECTIONS. RIGHT. PERCENT OF OUR CALLS ARE ON THE EAST SIDE. OKAY. AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IROQUOIS AND YOUR FIRE TRUCKS COMING OUT. WE ALREADY HAVE A HARD TIME GETTING OUT OF IROQUOIS. THERE SHOULD BE A LIGHT THERE, QUITE FRANKLY. SO I HEAR YOUR CONCERN. BUT WE ALSO HAVE SAFETY ISSUES RIGHT THERE COMING OUT OF IROQUOIS. AND THAT'S JUST GOING TO MAKE IT WORSE. YOU SPOKE ABOUT NOISE. YOU REALIZE THAT THE REASON THERE'S ALL THAT NOISE IS BECAUSE WE HAVE TO CLEAR THE INTERSECTION THERE. AND IF IT WAS CLOSER TO THE HOUSES, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO BECAUSE WE'RE AWAY FROM THE INTERSECTION. SO INSTEAD OF BLASTING HORNS, WE JUST TURN LIGHTS ON. I HEAR HORNS. I DON'T KNOW, I MEAN, BECAUSE WE'RE CLEAR, WE'RE CLEARING, WE'RE CLEARING ONE OF THE BUSIEST INTERSECTIONS, WHICH YOU'RE GETTING READY TO GET A SYSTEM THAT WILL CHANGE THAT. RIGHT? IT WILL ASSIST IT, BUT IT WON'T CHANGE IT. IT'LL HELP THOUGH. IT'S NOT GOING AWAY. WHETHER HE'S ON THE THEY'RE ON ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER SIDE. YEAH. BUT IT'LL HELP. I THAT'S ALL I HEARD. IT WOULD HELP. THAT'S GREAT. RIGHT. IT'S TIMING AND EVERYTHING. OKAY. FLOODING OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IS THERE ANY FLOODING ISSUES OVER THERE ON SITE NUMBER TWO WITH THE WITH THE OTHER WITH THE CONSTRUCTION BUILT AROUND IT? NO, NO. OKAY. IS THERE ANY CEMETERY PLOTS OR ANYBODY ALREADY SAID THAT IN SITE NUMBER TWO? IS THERE ANY CEMETERY PLOTS OR ANYTHING NEAR THAT SOMEBODY WAS BURIED? NONE THAT WE'RE AWARE OF. NO. OKAY. GOOD. THERE'S NO KIDS OR PLAYGROUNDS OVER THERE. WE KNOW THAT. IS THERE ANY 100 YEAR OAK TREES? 100 YEAR OLD OAK TREES OVER THERE THAT WE NEED TO. WE HAVEN'T DONE ANY TREE SURVEYS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, SO CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION. OKAY. WE JUST DISCUSSED TRAFFIC PATTERNS, RIGHT? FILL DIRT PROBABLY. SO MY MAIN THING IS THE NOISE. AND I THINK THAT SITE TWO HAS EVERYTHING YOU NEED. IT'S REALLY A NO BRAINER. YOU KNOW, I KIND OF WONDERED WHY WE WERE EVEN HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE THE JIMMY MOORE PARK WAS ACTUALLY TAKEN OFF THE BLOCK AND SOMEONE BROUGHT IT BACK IN. I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT HAPPENED, BECAUSE ON THE JUNE WAS IT JUNE 8TH MEETING WHEN WE WERE ALL THERE? [00:25:04] IT WAS KIND OF IT WAS LIKE ELIMINATED. I MEAN, I'VE GOT ON OCTOBER 14TH, CITY COUNCIL DIRECTED STAFF TO CONSIDER BOTH OF THESE SITES. AND SO STAFF IS FOLLOWING COUNCIL'S DIRECTION. SO AT THAT OCTOBER 14TH MEETING, COUNCIL DID MAKE THE DECISION TO HAVE COUNCIL OR TO HAVE STAFF REEVALUATE THE JIMMY MOORE SITE. SO IT'S NOT JUST ONE PERSON DECIDED THAT WE WERE DOING OR STAFF DECIDED WE WERE DOING THAT. THERE WAS A VOTE TO DO THAT. OKAY. AT LAST NIGHT'S CITY COUNCIL MEETING, I LED A PUSH TO DENY CITY STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE STATION AT FIRE STATION 72. THIS IS WHY YOU KNOW WHO SAID THAT? THE MAYOR. THE MAYOR, THE MAYOR SAID THAT. JOY SAID. YESTERDAY, I MET WITH CITY STAFF. VERY GOOD DISCUSSION TO REPLACE THE FIRE STATION. WHAT'S THAT? DID YOU REPEAT THAT? THE MAYOR SAID THE MAYOR SAID. OH, HE SAID AT LAST NIGHT'S MEETING. THIS WAS JUNE 9TH. AT LAST NIGHT'S CITY COUNCIL MEETING, I LED A PUSH TO DENY THE FIRE STATION 72. AND THERE'S A THERE'S SOME OTHER STUFF HERE, BUT I'M JUST. I GUESS I'M JUST WONDERING WHY IT WAS DENIED. AND THEN IT WASN'T BROUGHT UP AT THAT MEETING WHEN WE WERE THERE. HAD TO HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP AT ANOTHER TIME. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT DURING COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON JULY 8TH WAS WHETHER STAFF DID ENOUGH DUE DILIGENCE ON OTHER POTENTIAL SITES, WHICH YOU DID. NONE. AND SO STAFF WENT AND DID TRUE DUE DILIGENCE ON SITES TO INCLUDE THE PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED JIMMY MOORE SITE, BECAUSE IT IS TRULY, IN TERMS OF RESPONSE TIME, THE BEST LOCATION. AND I HEAR THAT I AGREE, BUT THERE'S MORE FACTORS INVOLVED. YES. YEAH. NO, I HEAR YOU. AND WE'RE ALSO TOLD THAT A LOT OF A LOT OF GROWTH IS GOING TO HAPPEN WEST OF WICKHAM AT THIS POINT. THERE'S A LOT OF PLANS IN PLACE FOR HOUSING AND STUFF LIKE THAT. THEY'RE STARTING TO SEE YOU. RIGHT? RIGHT, RIGHT. YEAH. SO THAT'S IT. I GUESS I JUST I JUST WONDER WHY WE'RE EVEN HERE BECAUSE IT WAS DENIED. WE WERE TOLD IT WAS DENIED. AND WE'RE YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, HERE WE ARE AGAIN. TURNING WHEELS THAT WE JUST DON'T HAVE TIME TO TURN. I'D RATHER BE AT HOME WATCHING TV, YOU KNOW. BUT THAT'S. I'M GOING TO LET SOMEONE ELSE TALK. I'M GOOD. THANK YOU GUYS FOR WHAT YOU DO THOUGH. I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS A LOT AND I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS SPENDING YOUR TIME TO LET US ASK QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE? YES. I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. I JUST HAVE TWO OBSERVATIONS I'D LIKE TO MAKE FIRST. THIS IS GOING TO BECOME ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT AREAS IN THE WORLD IN THE NEXT 50 YEARS, BECAUSE NOT ONLY IS THE FINANCIAL CAPITAL OF THE WORLD MOVING FROM NEW YORK TO MIAMI, WHICH IS KIND OF NEARBY HERE. WE'RE GOING TO BE UPSTATE NEW YORK IN 50 YEARS. BUT ALSO THE SPACEPORT IS GOING TO BECOME AN ACTUAL SPACEPORT AND NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, A SCIENCE EXHIBIT. A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE GOING INTO SPACE IN THE NEXT 50 YEARS. SO THE POINT IS THIS AREA IS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED A LOT VERY QUICKLY. AND GREEN SPACE IS GOING TO BECOME A PREMIUM. AND THE CITY GIVING UP SOME OF THE EXISTING GREEN SPACE TO CONCRETE IT AND TURN IT INTO A FIRE DEPARTMENT PROBABLY ISN'T GOING TO BE MADE UP. I MEAN, YOU COULD JUST GO BUY SOME OF THIS EXISTING UNDEVELOPED LAND AND TURN THAT INTO A PARK, BUT THAT PROBABLY WON'T HAPPEN. SO, YOU KNOW, GIVING UP THE GREEN SPACE, NOT IDEAL. THE OTHER OBSERVATION THAT I'D LIKE TO MAKE IS THE CITY OF MELBOURNE'S REVENUE INCREASED BY AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT LAST YEAR, SOMETHING LIKE $50 MILLION FROM 200 MILLION PREVIOUSLY. AND I'M SURE IT'S BEEN GOING UP ALSO THE LAST FEW YEARS. SO I DON'T THINK THAT FISCAL CONSIDERATIONS ARE A BIG DEAL. SO YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO SAY. DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT? OKAY. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. GOING BACK TO WHAT LANCE WAS TALKING ABOUT, ABOUT THE CHANGE IN THE YOU KNOW, THE SITE FIVE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE. IT TALKS ABOUT THAT IT WAS DENIED. BUT THEN ON OCTOBER 14TH THEY, I GUESS CHANGED THEIR MIND. IS THAT KIND OF WHAT HAPPENED? WHAT HAPPENED BETWEEN JULY 8TH AND OCTOBER 14TH WAS ON JULY 8TH. STAFF BROUGHT ONE SITE TO COUNCIL AND IT WAS THE PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED JIMMY MOORE SITE. [00:30:04] STAFF ASKED OR COUNCIL ASKED IF STAFF LOOKED AT OTHER LOCATIONS AND. WHILE STAFF DID IDENTIFY A COUPLE OF OTHER SITES, THERE WASN'T TRUE DUE DILIGENCE DONE ON THOSE SITES. AND SO IN HEARING THE CONCERNS FROM THE RESIDENTS THAT ONE RESIDENTS DIDN'T FEEL, THE PUBLIC DIDN'T FEEL LIKE THEY HAD RECEIVED ENOUGH ADVANCE NOTICE, DIDN'T RECEIVE ENOUGH OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT, AND COUNCIL QUESTION WHETHER STAFF HAD DONE A PROPER DUE DILIGENCE ON OTHER ALTERNATIVE SITES. WE BROUGHT THIS BACK TO COUNCIL WITH FIVE SITES ALLOWING COUNCIL TO. WE ORIGINALLY THOUGHT I THINK THEY WERE GOING TO PICK ONE. THEY PICKED TWO TASKED US WITH GOING BACK, DOING ADDITIONAL DUE DILIGENCE, AND THE TWO THAT THEY PICKED ARE THE TWO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. RIGHT? MY POINT IS, THOUGH, IS I WAS AT THE JULY 8TH MEETING, AND I REMEMBER THE MAYOR SAYING, THIS IS A BAD IDEA. IN FACT, WE'RE GOING TO PUT MONEY INTO THAT PARK AND MAKE IT NICE. SO WE ALL LEFT THERE THINKING IT'S NOT GOING TO GO THERE BECAUSE IT WAS DENIED, JUST LIKE IT SAYS HERE. BUT THEN THEY SWITCHED THEIR MIND TO PUT IT BACK IN. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE OTHER SITES, WHETHER OR NOT YOU LOOKED AT THEM OR NOT. WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT SITE FIVE THAT NIGHT, AND I'M JUST KIND OF CONFUSED ON HOW EVERYBODY COUNCIL PERSON AND THE MAYOR, EXCEPT FOR ONE COUNCIL PERSON WHO'S ACTUALLY OUR COUNCIL PERSON WAS AGAINST IT, SAID IT WAS A BAD IDEA. THIS IS NOT A GOOD PLACE. WE SHOULDN'T PUT THIS HERE. AND THE MAYOR WAS PRETTY ADAMANT ABOUT SAYING THE SAME THING. AND NOW HERE WE ARE BEHIND CLOSED DOORS. THEY'RE TELLING YOU GUYS, HEY, LOOK AT THIS SITE AGAIN. LIKE WHEN I JUST DON'T LIKE THE FACT THAT THEY SEEM TO CHANGE THEIR MIND WHEN WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, THEY CHANGED THEIR MIND AND THAT'S NOT COOL. AND IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, TYPICAL POLITICIAN, I GUESS IT'S CRAZY. I WILL SAY THAT IT WAS AT A PUBLIC MEETING. SO OCTOBER 14TH WAS A COUNCIL MEETING. SO IT WASN'T BEHIND CLOSED DOORS. BUT TO YOUR TO YOUR AGENDA. YES, SIR. YEAH. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. WELL, WE DIDN'T GET A LETTER. WELL, BECAUSE AT THAT POINT WE DIDN'T KNOW WHICH LOCATION THEY WERE GOING TO. BUT YOU SEE, MY POINT IS ALL I'M SAYING. YES, SIR. RIGHT. TWO AND SIDE FIVE. IT DOESN'T MATTER. THEY LOOK BAD ALREADY. I MEAN, IT LOOKED LIKE THEY SAID ONE THING AND CHANGED THEIR MIND. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. IT'S VERY SIMPLE. EVERYBODY REMEMBER THAT WHEN YOU'RE VOTING PERCEIVED GREEN SPACE LOSS IN THIS LETTER OR IS IT THERE'S ACTUAL GREEN SPACE LOSS. RIGHT. SO IT'S NOT PERCEIVED LIKE WAS WRITTEN IN THIS THING. IT'S ACTUAL. SO WE REALLY NEED TO GET OUR WORDING CORRECT BECAUSE WORDS MEAN THINGS. ANOTHER THING THAT TOWER. THANK YOU CHIEF LOACH FOR ON OCTOBER 14TH, YOU CLARIFIED THAT IT'S NOT A TRAINING FACILITY, IT'S JUST A STAIRWELL THAT YOU DO TRAIN IN. BUT IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE GOING TO BE TEARING APART CARS, ET CETERA. ET CETERA. OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY DON'T WANT THAT PULLING INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TO LOOK AT THIS THING SITTING THERE. BUT MY CONCERN THIS WHOLE TIME IS NOISE. I MEAN, WE ALL WANT TO LIVE IN PEACE, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? AND JUST GO HOME, BE ABLE TO SWIM IN THE POOL AND HAVE BE QUIET OUT. WE DON'T WANT TO HEAR. I MEAN, LOVE YOU GUYS. AND I KNOW YOU NEED TO TRAIN, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY DON'T WANT TO HEAR YOU DOING IT. IS MY WHOLE POINT WITH THAT. UP AND DOWN THE STAIRWELL. I DON'T KNOW. IT'S IT'S TRAINING, BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST MAKING MY POINT OF NOISE AND HAVING IT THERE. YOU KNOW, PUTTING THIS ON THE EDGE OF A RESIDENTIAL AREA IS LIKE TRYING TO PUT A SQUARE PEG IN A ROUND HOLE. I MEAN, IT JUST REALLY SHOULDN'T GO THERE. IT SHOULD GO IN A COMMERCIAL AREA. IF THE TOWER WAS REMOVED FROM THE FLOOR PLAN, WOULD THAT CHANGE ANYTHING? NO, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO OUTGROW THIS BEFORE YOU KNOW IT. AND THAT SPACE IS NOT GOING TO BE BIG ENOUGH. WE'RE GOING TO BE SITTING HERE DOING THE SAME THING FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, TRYING TO FIND ANOTHER SPACE, BECAUSE YOU DECIDED TO SHOVE SOMETHING IN A VERY SMALL SPACE THAT IS NOT ADEQUATE. OKAY. ANYWAYS, SO MY THING ABOUT THE STUFF WEST OF, OF WICKHAM 577 MORE HOMES, 1890 MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNITS. AND THIS IS ALL OFF OF YOUR GRAPH AND RESTAURANTS AND HOTELS ARE GOING OVER THERE. ADDITIONALLY, IF YOU LOOK AT RESPONSE TIMES AND YOU ADD THE HIGHEST RESPONSE TIME IN THE GRAPH TO WHAT YOUR OUR RESPONSE TIME IS NOW, IT'S MOOT. IN FACT, I THINK CHIEF LOACH SAID THAT IT WAS NEGLIGIBLE IN OCTOBER 14TH. SO RESPONSE TIMES AREN'T EVEN AN ISSUE. THEY'RE WAY UNDER THE SIX MINUTE THING. [00:35:04] AND AND THERE'S SO MUCH MORE GOING WEST OF WICKHAM THAT I DON'T THINK MOVING IT, YOU KNOW WHAT 200 YARDS DOWN BEHIND WALMART IS GOING TO CHANGE. YOU KNOW, ONE INTERSECTION ISN'T GOING TO BE A BIG DEAL, ESPECIALLY WHEN ALL THIS STUFF IS GOING TO BE WEST. THESE ARE ALL THINGS TO REALLY CONSIDER. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, 1890 MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNITS, 577 MORE HOMES, RESTAURANTS AND HOTELS. I MEAN, YOU KIND OF WANT TO BE OVER THERE TO SERVE THAT AS WELL. AS AN ADDITIONAL STATION THAT WE'RE PUTTING OUT THERE. WELL, I'M JUST READING OFF OF THE INFO THAT I GOT ABOUT WHAT THEY INCLUDED IN OUR STUFF. SO IT'LL GET LOUDER BECAUSE WHEN WE RUN EAST TOWARD YOUR PROPERTY, WE HAVE TO BLAST THE HORN WHICH IS FACING EAST TOWARDS YOUR HOUSE. WE'RE COMING FROM THE PROPERTY SECTION FOR THE MAJORITY OF THEIR CALLS ON THE EAST SIDE IN THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. I MEAN, I, I, YOU GUYS PULL OUT OF WHERE YOU ARE NOW AND YOU GO, YOU GO EAST BLOWING THE HORN. I MEAN, I, I HEAR IT. I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE REAL DIFFERENT INTERSECTION THAT HAS I JUST WHICH IS WHY WE USE THE FOR I STILL I STILL DON'T THINK YOU DON'T HAVE TO CLEAR THE INTERSECTION WITH ALL THE OTHER THINGS TO CONSIDER. I STILL DON'T THINK IT'S A VERY WISE PLACE TO PUT IT WHEN YOU CAN PUT IT RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET AND WITH EVERYTHING GOING WEST, THAT IS GOING TO BE BUILT AS WELL. I MEAN, YOU REALLY GOT TO THINK ABOUT THAT. THAT IS LEGITIMATE. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, LET'S COMMON SENSE, RIGHT? SO ONE OF THE THINGS I APPRECIATE IT. IS THAT THE STUFF THAT'S GOING TO THE WEST. JAMES YOU NEED A MIC? YES. SORRY. I'LL SPEAK UP A LITTLE BIT MORE. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DON'T KNOW AT THIS POINT IS WHETHER OR NOT THINGS ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE BUILT TO THE WEST, THERE'S THE POTENTIAL FOR THEM TO BE BUILT TO THE WEST. THE RESPONSE TIME CALCULATIONS WERE BASED OFF THE CURRENT SITUATION AND THE EXISTING BUILDINGS AS THEY ARE. SO THE CALCULATION, THE THE TEN SECOND IMPROVEMENT FOR STICKING IT TO THE EAST VERSUS THE TIME DROP GOING TO THE WEST. THAT'S PURELY OFF THE EXISTING SITUATION, RIGHT. WHICH IS NEGLIGIBLE BECAUSE IT'S 30 PLUS 23. I'LL LEAVE THIS TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD ARGUE THAT. 30S. I'M JUST GOING BY THE SIX MINUTES. I DIDN'T MAKE UP THAT. AND YOU'RE WAY UNDER THAT NO MATTER WHERE YOU PUT IT ACCORDING TO THIS GRAPH. SO IT'S A, IT'S A MOOT POINT. I, IT'S NOT A MOOT POINT, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS STILL UNDER THE SIX MINUTES. BUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING 30 OR 40 SECOND 42ND DIFFERENCE IN RESPONSE TIMES. SO IF YOU'RE THE PERSON THAT'S HAVING THAT HEART ATTACK, YOU MIGHT CHANGE YOUR TUNE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S NEGLIGIBLE OR THE BIGGEST MOVE IS, IS SITE THREE AND THAT'S PLUS 32. AND THAT'S NOT EVEN CONSIDERED. SITE TWO IS PLUS 23, SO PLUS 23. AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS MINUS TEN. SOME OF. THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S ALL EAST. WHAT ABOUT ALL THESE THINGS THAT ARE ALREADY IN THE WORKS? BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE HOUSES AND SOME OF THOSE ALREADY, SOME OF THEM ARE NOT. BUT WE STILL HAVE, YOU KNOW, 2000 APPROXIMATE RESIDENTS THAT THE FIRE STATION 72 SERVICE AREA IS EAST. SO THOSE DON'T GO AWAY WHEN THE STUFF IN THE WEST GETS BUILT. AND WHEN WE LOOK AT THE HEAT MAPS RIGHT WHERE THE RESPONSES ARE, THAT'S PRIMARILY TO THE EAST. BUT THEN THE ARGUMENT OF EVERYTHING EAST GOES AWAY BECAUSE MORE STUFF IS BEING BUILT TO THE WEST, AND IT'S ONLY ADDING 23 SECONDS, AND IT WON'T BE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT WON'T BE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT IS CORRECT. BUT THE TIME IS THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THERE THAT IT'S NOT TO ADD TOGETHER. THE MAJORITY OF THE RESPONSES WILL STILL BE TO THE EAST. SO YEAH, THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME. AND I DO APPRECIATE YOU GUYS AND ALL YOUR WORK YOU DO. IT'S JUST WE, YOU KNOW, WE GOT TO LIVE THERE, YOU KNOW. SO THE BACK OF MY HOUSE FACES JIMMY MOORE PARK. I LOOK OUT MY BACK DOOR. I HAVE A BEAUTIFUL GREEN SPACE, A PARK THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR AS LONG AS ME OR LONGER. I'VE BEEN IN MY HOUSE 30 YEARS, 1965, 61, AND IT'S A BEAUTIFUL SPOT. SO WHY TAKE THIS GREEN SPOT AWAY FROM US, FROM THE COMMUNITY? SO THIS IS MY POINT. WHY ARE YOU GUYS SO DETERMINED TO RUIN JIMMY MOORE PARK AGAINST THE WISHES OF THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY? I SAY THIS BECAUSE I NOTICE THE RIDER THAT THE FIRE STATION BUILDING AND PROPERTY CAN BE EXPANDED AT ANY TIME [00:40:04] DURING THE NEXT 50 YEARS. AND THAT, MY FRIENDS, IS LISTED IN THIS LITTLE PAMPHLET FROM OCTOBER 14TH. PAGE THREE. THEY CAN TAKE THEY CAN SAY THEY'RE GOING TO PUT A LITTLE TINY PARK. I MEAN A FIRE STATION IN OUR PARK. AND THEY HAVE 50 YEARS TO TAKE THE WHOLE PARK IF THEY WANT IT. AND THAT'S WHAT THIS SAYS, AND I OBJECT TO IT. THERE IS PLENTY OF SPACE. GIVE THE FIRE STATION EVERYTHING THEY NEED. GIVE THEM THAT TRAINING SPACE TO FILL THIS PLACE ELSEWHERE. GIVE THEM EVERYTHING THEY NEED SO THEY CAN GO FORWARD. AND I'M SURE YOU KNOW THAT THE WEST SIDE OF WICKHAM ROAD, THERE IS MAJOR EXPANSION THAT IS GOING ON. THERE'S PERMITS AND PULL TO REVIEW THAT WHOLE AREA. I'LL TAKE A GAMBLE WHEN I SAY THIS, AND I'M SURE YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. BUT THERE IS DEVELOPMENT GOING TO BE OUT THERE SOON, AND THAT FIRE STATION CAN SERVICE THAT AREA TOO. GIVEN THE PROPER AMOUNT OF BUILDING AND SPACE THAT THEY NEED. SO JUST TO MAKE IT CLEAR, I DO NOT WANT JIMMY MOORE PARK RUINED WITH A FIRE STATION IN MY BACKYARD WHEN THERE IS AMPLE SPACE. AND YEAH, IT ALWAYS COSTS A LITTLE MORE TO GO FIRST CLASS. SO DIG IN AND BUY THE FRIGGING PROPERTY AND GIVE THEM THEIR FIRE STATION. IS THAT ALL YOUR QUESTIONS, MA'AM? ONE MORE BECAUSE AS I READ THIS NOTE ON PAGE THREE, IT SAID THAT THEY HAD 50 YEARS TO GROW IN THAT SPACE. AND THAT'S WHAT I AM TRYING TO STOP TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOESN'T GO IN JIMMY MOORE PARK. SO I DO WANT TO CLARIFY THAT. SO THE 50 YEARS TO GROW INTO THAT SPACE IS ACTUALLY THE FIRE STATION, THE BUILDING, THE THE JIMMY MOORE PARK IS ZONED, SORRY, FUTURE LAND USE IS RECREATIONAL. AND SO STAFF BRINGING THAT TO COUNCIL PREVIOUSLY WAS FOR 2.6 ACRES, WHICH WAS JUST THAT SECTION ON THE EAST. SO EVEN IF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WANTED TO GROW FURTHER INTO JIMMY MOORE, THAT STILL HAS TO GO TO COUNCIL. IT'S NOT DOESN'T HAVE THE FUTURE LAND USE FOR THAT. WELL, SO WOULD IT BE SO WOULD IT BE FOR THE HERE WE ARE. THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO IT WITHOUT COUNCIL DIRECTION. SO WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE. THEY'RE GOING TO JUST TAKE A SMALL PORTION. THEY WILL TAKE IT. IT'S OBVIOUS THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT. BUT WE WANT TO PUT A STOP TO IT. WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT'S GOING TO IMPACT THE PROPERTY VALUE? WELL, THAT WAS MY LAST PART, IS WHEN THEY PUT A GIANT FIRE STATION IN OUR BACKYARD. HOW DO YOU SELL YOUR HOUSE? OH, AND I HAVE A LOVELY FIRE STATION WITH A TRAINING FACILITY RIGHT BEHIND IT. OKAY. AND WITH THE TRAINING FACILITY, IS IT CHEMICALS? ARE WE GOING TO GET OR ARE THEY JUST GOING TO SCALE THE THING, THE LADDER, THE WHATEVER? WHAT KIND OF TRAINING FACILITY? THEY HAVEN'T EVEN SAID WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO. I'LL GIVE THAT TO CHIEF LEACH. YEAH. NO PROBLEM. AND I DON'T NEED THE MICROPHONE. AND ONE MORE THING. IF NIKKI IS OUR PARKS AND RECREATIONAL. WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO SAY, SAVE OUR PARK? NIKKI IS PARKS AND RECREATION. WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO TO STAND UP FOR US. ARE YOU ELECTED, TOO? NO. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. YEP. AS FAR AS THE THE TRAINING, THE TOWER, THE ENCLOSED STAIRWELL. THAT'S NOT A TRAINING FACILITY. WE CAN'T DO LIVE. WE WON'T BE DOING LIVE BURNS. WE WON'T BE DOING HAZARDOUS TRAINING, MITIGATION, ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IT'S SIMPLY AN AREA FOR THE CREW THAT WORKS THERE TO WORK ON SOME TECHNICAL RESCUE. IT'S AN ENCLOSED STAIRWELL WITH A DROP WHERE THEY CAN REPEL DOWN IT AND WORK ON AND AND DEPLOYING HOSE LINES OFF OF ENCLOSED STAIRWELL. THAT'S ALL IT IS. THERE'S NO LIVE FIRE. TRAINING WILL BE DONE THERE. NONE OF THAT. IT'S AN ENCLOSED STAIRWELL. IT'S NOT IT'S NOT A DEEMED IT HAS TO BE. THE STATE OF FLORIDA HAS TO DEEM IT A TRAINING FACILITY. THIS IS THE FIRE STATION. IT'S NOT A TRAINING FACILITY. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH. YES, SIR. ARE YOU ALSO LOCATED THE COMMAND AND CONTROL CENTER FROM O'GALLEY BOULEVARD, AS WELL AS THE COMM CENTER TO THAT LOCATION? WE DON'T. THE CENTER IS AT THE NEW POLICE STATION OVER HERE. OKAY. YES, SIR. WE DON'T. YEAH. WHAT ABOUT THE COMMAND AND CONTROL? IS THAT. ISN'T THAT A BOULEVARD? THAT'S WHERE MY OFFICE IS. ADMIN? YES, SIR. NO, IT'S STAYING THERE. OKAY. [00:45:03] YEAH. HOPEFULLY, WHEN IF WE EVER GET A NEW TRAINING FACILITY BUILT BECAUSE WE CAN'T FLOW WATER AT THE CURRENT ONE, WE WOULD LIKE TO RE REDO THE FIRE ADMIN OR BE ABLE TO USE WATER OUT THE OR THE BOOZER SITE. THAT WOULDN'T BE A TRAINING FACILITY EITHER. THAT'S JUST GOING TO BE A FIRE STATION. YEAH. OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, MA'AM. I THINK THE POINT IS NOT AGAINST THE FIREMEN OR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. IT'S AGAINST THIS CITY, WHICH I'VE LIVED IN MY WHOLE LIFE. HAS DISREGARDED WHAT LITTLE PARKS AND RECREATION WE HAVE. YES. GRANDKIDS. I MEAN, IF YOU EVER READ JUST ON HOW MANY PEOPLE STILL REMEMBER THE JIMMY MOORE PARK WHEN WE WERE KIDS. AND BY FAR MORE ITEMS THERE TO PLAY ON AT THAT TIME, WHETHER THEY WERE SAFE OR NOT. AND I THINK IT CAN BE A BEAUTIFUL PARK. AND WE NEED TO REMEMBER THAT INSTEAD OF SAYING, WELL, IT'S A RUNDOWN PARK AND THERE'S HOMELESS. AND YEAH, YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK THE TRAFFIC ISSUE IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE AN ISSUE IN THIS TOWN, WHETHER YOU'RE GOING THROUGH ONE STOPLIGHT OR THE NEXT STOPLIGHT. AND LET ME TELL YOU, I HAVE CALLED YOU GUYS MANY A TIMES AND I'M APPRECIATIVE TO IT, BUT I'M ALSO GRATEFUL FOR THE LITTLE PARKS WE HAVE LEFT IN MELBOURNE. YES. BUT AS FAR AS THE PARK HERE, THERE'S NOT EVEN A BATHROOM AT THAT PARK. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE YOU GUYS ARE BECAUSE THEY PULL THE BATHROOM DOWN 20 YEARS AGO AND DON'T EVEN HAVE NOT EVEN REPLACED IT. IF YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN THERE EASTER SUNDAY, YOU WOULD HAVE SEEN ALL THE PEOPLE THERE. AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM. THE PEOPLE DON'T KNOW AND DON'T CARE. THEY DON'T SHOW UP. THERE IS A RESTROOM AT THE BASEBALL FIELD AND IT'S LOCKED. LOCKED ALL THE TIME. I MEAN, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT. YES. EVEN WHEN THEY PLAY BASEBALL, THERE IS NO BATHROOM AT THAT BAR. IT WAS IN CENTERFIELD, AND IT WAS TORN DOWN 20 YEARS AGO. IF YOU GO TO THE BASEBALL FIELD, THEY'RE LOCKED. OKAY, NOW, WHERE'S THE BATHROOM? DO YOU WANT ME TO TALK NOW? YES, SURE. GO AHEAD. OKAY. THERE IS NO BATHROOM THERE. YOU'RE CORRECT. LITTLE LEAGUE USES THE BATHROOM BEHIND THE FIELD WHEN THEY ARE PLAYING OR PRACTICING. IF THE FIRE STATION WERE TO BE BUILT AT THE PARK, THE ADDITIONAL ITEMS THAT WERE LISTED SUCH AS BOCCE UPGRADING PARKS ARE ALSO FOR ADULTS. UPGRADING THE RESTROOMS WHERE WE COULD MAKE THEM AVAILABLE FOR EVERYONE TO USE. UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T BELIEVE THEY'RE. THAT WOULD BE A POSSIBILITY. IF THE FIRE STATION IS NOT PUT AT THAT LOCATION. THERE IS NOT FUNDING FOR THAT AT THIS MOMENT. THERE'S ONLY FUNDING FOR THE PLAYGROUND TO BE REPLACED. WE'RE NOT GETTING ANYTHING EITHER WAY. WE'RE NOT GOING TO. THERE ARE NO THREATS. WE ARE LOOKING AT OUR BUDGET. WE CURRENTLY HAVE A PLAYGROUND IN OUR BUDGET AND THAT WAS ALREADY STATED IN OUR BUDGET. IF IF WHAT COMES OUT OF THIS IS THAT WE WANT PLAYGROUNDS THERE, WE WILL PUT THAT IN THE LIST FOR BUDGETED ITEMS AND IT WILL GO INTO, I MEAN, NIKKI HAS A LIST A MILE LONG EACH YEAR THAT WE PRIORITIZE. AND DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH FUNDING WE HAVE, COUNCIL WILL APPROVE CERTAIN PROJECTS IN THE PARKS. WHAT THEY JUST SAID ABOUT EASTER AND DIFFERENT HOLIDAYS IN A LOCAL AREA IS IMPORTANT FOR THIS CITY COUNCIL TO PAY ATTENTION TO AND CONSIDER, BECAUSE IF YOU CAN'T GO TO WICKHAM PARK, WHERE ELSE ARE YOU GOING? NO, YOU AND THE KIDS HAVE NO OTHER PLACE TO GO TO RIDE THEIR BIKES, PLAY FRISBEE FOOTBALL. THAT PARK HAS BEEN NEGLECTED FOR 25 YEARS BECAUSE THE CITY WOULDN'T PUT MONEY. BUT THEY WILL GO DOWN TO LISBON STREET AND CARVER AND ALL THOSE PLACES AND SPEND ALL THE MONEY. WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A COMMUNITY CENTER. THEY CLOSED THAT. YEAH, POUR THAT DOWN. THE CITY HAS BEEN SCREWED BECAUSE WHEN WE MERGED, WE GOT SCREWED. TOGETHER. LIKE I SAID, I THINK THAT THAT PARK IS WORTH $2 MILLION FOR THE CITY TO SPEND THE $2 MILLION AND GO AHEAD AND LET THE KIDS AND EVERYBODY THAT WANTS TO GO TO THE PARK HAVE GREEN SPACE, BECAUSE IN 30 YEARS, IT'S GOING TO BE ALL THAT'S LEFT. THAT'S RIGHT. OTHER COMMENTS? QUESTIONS? YES, MA'AM. YES. GO AHEAD. MY MAJOR QUESTION IS THE FLOODING PROBLEM THAT WE ALREADY HAVE ON CREEK AVENUE, BECAUSE ONCE THAT IS CONCRETED, THAT'S THAT MUCH MORE WATER THAT IS GOING TO HAVE TO TRY AND FLOW THROUGH UNKEPT DITCHES. [00:50:03] BECAUSE I LIVE IN THE MIDDLE OF CREEK AVENUE. MY HOUSE HAS FLOODED BECAUSE BOTH DRAINS ARE RIGHT ACROSS FROM EACH OTHER AT MY DRIVEWAY AND ALL OF THE WATER FROM AND AND CONKLIN AND CHEROKEE RUN DOWN TO CREEK AVENUE TO ONE PIPE THAT IS BETWEEN MINE AND MY NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE THAT IS LOWER ALREADY THAN THE TOP OF THE DITCH. MY HOUSE FLOODS FROM THE FRONT. SO ONCE AGAIN, MY QUESTION IS, ARE YOU GOING TO DREDGE ALL OF THESE CANALS OUT TO WHERE THE WATER WILL RUN FASTER, BUT MORE DRAINS IN TO WHERE CREEK AVENUE ISN'T FLOODED? OKAY. SO THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO DIFFERENT QUESTIONS THERE. ONE IS THE EFFECTS OF DRAINAGE. IF FIRE STATION 72 WAS TO BE CONSTRUCTED IN THE EAST, JIMMY MOORE PARK WITH DRAINAGE DESIGN, THE RUNOFF CONDITIONS PRE VERSUS POST, ANYTIME WE BUILD SOMETHING PERMITTING REQUIREMENTS AND THAT'S NOT OUR OWN SET PERMIT REQUIREMENTS, BUT THESE ARE STATE REQUIREMENTS. WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE RUNOFF AFTER WE CONSTRUCT IS LESS THAN THE RUNOFF BEFORE WE CONSTRUCT. SO THAT WOULD BE THE POINT OF THE RETENTION POND THAT'S GOING ON THE SITE. SO THERE WOULD NOT BE ANY ADDITIONAL FLOW COMING OFF THAT SITE AS A RESULT OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE FIRE STATION. THE DRAINAGE SITUATION THAT YOU'RE DISCUSSING FOR CREEK AND THE POTENTIAL DREDGING OF THE CANALS, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY AN ISSUE WITH THE CANALS, BUT WITH THE DRAINAGE CONNECTION RUNNING BETWEEN CREEK AND THE CANALS. SO THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE EAST IS NOT A, A MODERN SUBDIVISION. MODERN SUBDIVISIONS ARE DESIGNED TO BE EFFECTIVELY SELF-CONTAINED. THEY HAVE THEIR OWN STORMWATER SYSTEMS AND THOSE PROVIDE A CERTAIN LEVEL OF TREATMENT. THE, YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD DOES NOT HAVE THAT. IT'S A DIRECT CONNECTION TO THE CANAL. THE ONLY WAY TO MAKE WATER RUN OFF FASTER IS TO BASICALLY INCREASE THE PIPE SIZE. LOWERING THE DITCH ELEVATION WOULD NOT HAVE ANY IMPACT ON HOW WATER IS FLOWING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, OR AT LEAST MINIMAL IMPACT. SO I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE EXACT SITUATION YOU'RE DESCRIBING, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT'S BEING CAUSED BY ANY TYPE OF ELEVATION IN THE CANAL. IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S MORE OF JUST A PIPE LEAVING THE NEIGHBORHOOD. MIGHT BE TOO SMALL OR IT MIGHT BE COMPROMISED. BUT WHAT MY CONCERN IS, IS THE RUNOFF OF THE CONCRETE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO PUT IN THE PARK VERSUS THE GREEN SPACE. THE. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. THE RUNOFF, THE WAY WE DO THE DESIGN IS WE CONTAIN THAT RUNOFF ON SITE. IT'S NOT ALLOWED TO RUN OFF RIGHT NOW. WHEN IT RAINS, THE WATER IS EITHER PERKING INTO THE GROUND OR IT'S SHEET FLOWING DIRECTLY INTO THE CANAL. WHEN WE WOULD REBUILD THE SITE AND THIS WOULD GO EVEN IF WE BUILT IT OVER AT THE BOOZER SITE, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THAT WATER GETS COLLECTED AND IS RETAINED IN A STORMWATER POND UP TO A CERTAIN AMOUNT. FOR THIS AREA. IT'S ABOUT 9.5IN OF RAIN OVER 24 HOURS IS WHAT WE HAVE TO CONTAIN ON SITE BEFORE IT'S ALLOWED TO DISCHARGE. THAT'S THE AMOUNT OF TREATMENT THAT WE HAVE TO PROVIDE. SO THE IMPACT TO THE CREEK AND TO THE RUNOFF, IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE LESS THAN WHAT IT IS RIGHT NOW. THAT'S GOING TO BE A REQUIREMENT THAT THE STATE MANDATES THAT WE DO. SO IT GOES TO A POND, IT'S HELD, AND THEN IT EITHER PERKS IN THROUGH THE BOTTOM OF THE POND, OR IF WE HAVE A SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE MAJOR RAIN EVENTS BACK TO BACK, IT WOULD EVENTUALLY OVERFLOW. BUT AT THAT POINT IN TIME, EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE OVERFLOWING AT THAT POINT BECAUSE THE SITUATION THAT IT'S DESIGNED FOR IS BASICALLY A 25 YEAR, 24 HOUR STORM, IS THE TERM THAT WE OR THE LEVEL WE DESIGNED TO FOR THOSE THINGS. I'VE SEEN THAT PARK FLOOD FIVE TIMES WITH FIVE INCHES OF WATER BECAUSE IT IS THE. IT IS THE VERY END OF THE SYSTEM THAT RUNS ON THE CANAL THAT RUNS BY THE AIRPORT AND ALL THE WAY OUT TO MELBOURNE. SO WHEN IT BACKS UP, IT'S FIVE INCHES OF WATER, AND THAT FIRE STATION IS THERE AT THAT POINT, THAT FIVE INCHES OF WATER HAS GOT TO GO SOMEWHERE BECAUSE I'VE SEEN IT FIVE INCHES ALL THE WAY TO SARNO. THE POND FLOODED SINCE 1965. THOSE ARE 50 YEARS AND AND OVER FIVE TIMES OF FLOODING SINCE 1965, 60 YEARS. I DON'T DOUBT IT. THAT IS NOT TO SAY THAT THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION THAT ACTUALLY RUNS BI DIRECTIONAL [00:55:05] DEPENDING ON WHERE THE STORM HITS IN THE CITY AND WHAT THE WATER LEVELS ARE AT, THE WATER CAN ACTUALLY GO TWO DIRECTIONS FROM THAT LOCATION. SO IT'S NOT A, THAT'S NOT THE LOW POINT IN THE SYSTEM. I THOUGHT IT ALL RAN SOUTH. IT CAN RUN. IT CAN RUN NORTH. YES. DEPENDING ON HOW THE THE SYSTEM IS STAGED UP. OKAY. IT SEEMS LIKE AT ALL BECAUSE I'VE, I'VE SEEN FOUNTAIN HEAD AND CREEK FLOOD WHEN I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THE SPECIFIC EVENTS FOR FLOODING. THERE MAY HAVE BEEN OTHER CONCERNS LIKE IT'S THE END POINT BECAUSE EVERYTHING NORTH GOES TO THE GALLERY RIVER AND GOES OUT THE INDIAN RIVER TO THE GALLERY RIVER. BUT EVERYTHING SOUTH OF SARNO FLOWS SOUTH. THE CANAL THAT RUNS ALONG THE AIRPORT AND ALL THE WAY DOWN TO MELBOURNE VILLAGE AND OUT TO THE MELBOURNE GOLF COURSE. SO THOSE ARE INTERCONNECTED. IT CAN GO BOTH DIRECTIONS. DEPENDS ON HOW THE SYSTEM IS STAGED. I MEAN, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT WATER IS GOING TO GO WHEN THERE'S FIVE INCHES DEEP IN IT. I JUST DON'T WANT IT GOING IN MY HOUSE. WELL WELL IT WILL BECAUSE THE STORMWATER RETENTION PICTURE HERE. YES. THE STORMWATER RETENTION IS IN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER. THAT'S A I DON'T HAVE A LASER POINTER, BUT IT'S DIRECTLY UNDER THE PURPLE SQUARE. AND THAT WOULD BE THAT'S A DRY POND. THE ELEVATION THAT WE'D BE ABLE TO PUT IT IN AT IT BASICALLY HAS 6 TO 1 SLOPES ON IT. YOU COULD WALK IN AND OUT OF IT. IT WOULDN'T BE A, IT'S NOT LIKE A WET POND WHERE YOU SEE ON SOME SITES WHERE IT'S PERMANENTLY GOT A WET POOL IN IT. THIS WOULD BE EFFECTIVELY A DRY AREA. MOST OF THE TIME THE SOILS HERE ARE ACTUALLY HIGH PERK. SO IT WOULD RECOVER QUICKLY. SO I WOULD PROBABLY VENTURE TO SAY 85 TO 90% OF THE TIME. THIS WOULD BE A DRY GRASS AREA. WHEN YOU HAVE A RAIN EVENT, THERE WOULD BE WATER THAT WOULD STAGE UP IN IT, BUT IT'S REQUIRED TO RECOVER WITHIN TWO WEEKS AND THAT WOULD BE FROM A MAJOR STORM EVENT. FOR MINOR AFTERNOON RAINS. IT COULD RECOVER IN HOURS JUST DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH WATER CAME DOWN. HI. I JUST WANT TO SAY HOW MUCH I AM OPPOSED OF YOU TURNING OUR PARK INTO YOUR GIANT FIRE STATION. I SUPPORT ALL OF YOU. I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE BEST DECISION YOU CAN USE. THE NUMBER TWO BEHIND WALMART. I THINK THAT'S GREAT. DOESN'T INVOLVE ANYBODY'S FEELINGS. ANYBODY'S PROPERTY. PROBABLY THE FLOODING PROBLEM. KEEP IT OVER THERE BEHIND WALMART. THE TIME RESPONSE IS THE ISSUE RIGHT? I MEAN IT'S GOING TO ADD 20S OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO TO THIS RESPONSE TIME. I SHOP AT WALMART. I DO IT EVERY WEEK. SEVERAL TIMES I'VE GONE TO WALMART. 22 IS PARKED OUT FRONT DOING THEIR GROCERY SHOPPING. RIGHT. 72. SORRY. SO WHEN YOU'RE IN THAT GROCERY STORE AND YOU'RE IN THE VERY BACK AND YOU GET A CALL. IT TAKES YOU ADDITIONAL SECONDS TO GET TO YOUR TRUCK. ON THE TRUCK OUT OF WALMART PARKING LOT, BACK ONTO WICKHAM OR BACK ONTO SARNO. AND THEN AGAIN, YOU MAY HAVE TO GET THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION. SO THE NEW FIRE STATION ON IN NUMBER TWO, IS IT GOING TO BE FACING SARNO ROAD? RIGHT. SO WHEN YOU GET A CALL THE DOORS GO UP. OH IT'S GOING TO BE FACING WICKHAM RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT I MEANT. IT'S NOT DESIGNED. OH I'M SORRY. OKAY. I'M NERVOUS. I'M SORRY, BUT THE DOORS GO UP. YOU TURN YOUR LIGHTS ON. YOU ARE IMMEDIATELY OUT THERE ON SARNO ROAD. I THINK IT'S FASTER TIME THAN YOU BEING IN WALMART, DOING YOUR GROCERY SHOPPING OR BEING ON ANOTHER CALL. I MEAN, I 20S 23 SECONDS. IT'S A MAJOR THING, BUT THE GROWTH ON THE OTHER SIDE OF WICKHAM IS COMING. AND IF YOU BUILD A NEW ONE AT SITE NUMBER TWO, AND YOU KEEP THE OLD ONE RIGHT THERE ON SARNO AND WICKHAM, YOU CAN ALWAYS REFURBISH IT, BUILD IT AND HAVE A STATION ON THIS SIDE OF WICKHAM, A LITTLE MINI STATION. [01:00:06] AND IT'S TERRIBLE THAT WE HAVE A PARK THAT WAS NAMED AFTER A POLICE OFFICER, AND YOU GUYS WANT TO TAKE IT AWAY FROM US. IT WAS DEDICATED TO JIMMY MOORE. LEAVE IT ALONE. AND THESE KIDS ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANYWHERE TO PLAY WHEN YOU TAKE ALL THEIR PARKS. ONCE THE PARK IS GONE, IT'S GONE. WE'LL NEVER GET ANOTHER ONE TO TAKE ITS PLACE. YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN THE BUDGET. NO. THAT'S ALL. I HAVE LIVED ON ALGONQUIN DRIVE, WHICH IS? JIMMY MOORE PARK IS MY BACKYARD. I'VE LIVED THERE FOR 14 YEARS, AND I'VE SEEN MANY HURRICANES COME AND GO. AND I'VE HAD FIVE INCHES OF WATER ON THE BACK OF MY HOUSE FROM THE CANAL RISING, THE STREET FLOODING ALL THE WAY UP TO MY GARAGE. I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE FLOODING. YOU COULD SAY YOU'RE GOING TO MISDIRECT IT, BUT IT WORRIES ME. AND I LOOK OUT MY BACK WINDOW EVERY DAY AND I JUST THINK, THIS IS SO BEAUTIFUL AND IT'S ALL GOING TO BE GONE IF YOU GUYS HAVE YOUR WAY. I UNDERSTAND THE PARK IS EASIER BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT THERE. IT'S ALREADY PRETTY MUCH DEMOLISHED FOR YOU, READY TO GO FREE. BUT I WOULD REALLY HOPE THAT YOU COULD RECONSIDER PART NUMBER FOUR, BECAUSE WOODS PLACE AND VERIZON ARE GONE AND THE BUMS ARE ALWAYS THERE, AND YOU HAVE AN OUT ON WICKHAM AND AN OUT ON SARNO, AND IT SEEMS LIKE THAT MIGHT BE A GREAT OPTION. IT'S RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET, SO IT WOULDN'T TAKE ANY MORE TIME AWAY FROM YOUR RESPONSE TIME. WE DID CONSIDER THAT SITE. IT'S IT'S NOT AVAILABLE FOR SALE. IT ALSO IS OUR CONSULTANT WOULDN'T EVEN RECOMMEND DOING A PHASE ONE BECAUSE OF THE ACTIVITIES ON SITE. RIGHT. EXCUSE ME. WHY WAS SITE ONE ELIMINATED? BECAUSE YOU SAID THE CITY OWNED THE SITE, CORRECT. IS THE TIME WISE THE EXTRA 10S RESPONSE TIMES THE PHASE ONE WETLAND CONDITIONS. YES, I CAN SEE THAT. YEAH. IS THAT THE ONE ON NEW YORK AVENUE? JUST TO THE WEST OF IT? ABOUT A QUARTER MILE, HALF MILE AND A QUARTER MILE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE SHE'S DONE WITH HER QUESTION FIRST OR COMMENTS. I KNOW, I JUST GOT DISTRACTED. YOU HAVE TO COME BACK TO ME. I LOST WHAT I WANTED TO SAY. I JUST WANT TO KNOW IF THIS DOES PASS, WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO WITH THE OTHER FIRE STATION? IT'S GOING TO BE A PARKING LOT. THAT'S WHAT THEY. YEAH, IT'S GOING TO BE A PARKING LOT. IT WOULD BE DEMOLISHED AND IT'D BE UP TO COUNCIL. HOW WHAT HAPPENS ON THE THAT AREA, WHETHER IT TURNS TO GREEN SPACE FOR THE PARK, WHETHER IT BECOMES ADDITIONAL PARKING FOR THE PARK, THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL FOR FURTHER DIRECTION. IT SAYS IT'S GOING TO BE A PARKING LOT. YEAH, FOR THE PICKLEBALL. DID YOU REMEMBER? YES. SO DURING THIS PAST SPRING BREAK, THE PARK WAS FULL OF PEOPLE. THERE WAS A FAMILY IN THE BACK OF THE PARK WHERE THE FIELD IS, WHERE THE BACK OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WILL BE PLAYING FLAG FOOTBALL. AND THEY WERE JUST PEOPLE EVERYWHERE. THE ONE PLAYGROUND HAS BEEN TAKEN AWAY, THANKFULLY, BUT DURING SPRING BREAK IT WAS ROPED OFF, BUT THEY STILL CAME WITH WITHOUT A BATHROOM. THEY CAME BECAUSE IT'S A FREE GATHERING SPACE THAT'S BEAUTIFUL AND GREEN, AND I'M JUST REALLY IMPLORING YOU TO PLEASE FIND ANOTHER DESTINATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. SO WHICH ONE OF THOSE SPOTS ARE THE RENAISSANCE FAIR THAT WAS GOING TO BE BUILT? NEITHER OF THOSE LOCATIONS ARE THE RENAISSANCE PROPERTY OWNED BY BREVARD COUNTY. SO WHY WASN'T THAT ONE PUT UP THERE FOR CONSIDERATION? THAT ONE WAS 53 ACRES, WAS FOR SALE FOR IT WASN'T OR WASN'T FOR SALE. I'M SORRY, BUT WAS APPRAISED FOR CLOSE TO 10 MILLION SEVERAL YEARS AGO. AND PART OF THE REASON IS THE COUNTY DIDN'T WANT TO SUBDIVIDE IT. THEY DIDN'T WANT TO BREAK IT APART. THE OTHER PART, THE OTHER PROBLEM WITH THAT IS, AND WHILE THIS MAP DOESN'T SHOW IT, IT IS CONSIDERABLY SOUTH OF SARNO ROAD. AND THE RESPONSE TIME WAS WAS EVEN MORE THAN LOT ONE. [01:05:03] ALL AROUND UPON THAT. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY. YES. HI. I WAS AT THE JULY MEANING. AND I WANT TO KNOW WHY SITE NUMBER FIVE WAS EVEN INCLUDED BACK IN THIS WHEN IT WAS CORRECT. YES. I MEAN, I CAN WHY WHY WAS IT JUST SITES ONE THROUGH FOUR? SITE NUMBER FIVE HAD ALREADY BEEN DETERMINED AT THE JULY MEETING THAT THAT WAS OFF THE TABLE. SO IT JUST SAYS CITY COUNCIL DIRECTED STAFF TO EXPLORE IT AGAIN. I MEAN, I OBVIOUSLY SEE ZERO. YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S ALL ABOUT DOLLARS. AND MY SECOND QUESTION IS THE PARK ENHANCEMENTS. THOSE SHOULD BE DONE ANYWAY. YEAH. OKAY. SO THIS IS ALL JUST INCLUDED IN HERE. AND I'M ASSUMING THAT'S PART OF THE 15 MILLION ESTIMATED COST, WHICH THAT'S ALL WE ALL KNOW. THAT'S WHO IT'S GOING TO BE THAT $2,250,000 DIFFERENCE BY THE TIME IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE, AND THEY FOOL AROUND WITH IT 3 TO 5 YEARS AND GETTING IT ALL DONE AND EVERYTHING. IT'LL BE DOUBLE THAT. SO I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THEY COULD JUST SLIDE THIS IN. OKAY. CONSIDER SITES ONE THROUGH FOUR. ALL RIGHT. AND I'M SURE THEY DID THAT. IT'S QUITE EVIDENT. SITE NUMBER TWO IS WHERE IT NEEDS TO GO. IT'S STILL ON SARNO ROAD. YEAH, WE'RE TALKING SECONDS, BUT YOU'RE TALKING 50 YEARS AND ALL THAT. THE GROWTH. I MEAN, THIS DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME AT ALL. I MEAN, I OBVIOUSLY SEE THIS IS A BIG OLD THING OF PROPAGANDA TO JUSTIFY TAKING AWAY THE PARK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY. WELL, AGAIN, IF YOU HAVEN'T SIGNED UP AND YOU DO WANT TO KNOW WHEN IT WILL GO TO COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION, PLEASE PUT YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS OR YOUR YOUR ADDRESS, YOUR MAILING ADDRESS, AND WHAT WEBSITE SHOULD WE FOLLOW? WE CAN TALK THROUGH WHETHER WE WANT TO CREATE A DEDICATED WEBSITE FOR CONTINUED UPDATES, OR IF YOU WANT TO FOLLOW SOCIAL MEDIA OR YOUR INFORMATION BEING LISTED HERE ENOUGH TO BE HAD IN THE FUTURE WHEN IT'S SUCH A MAJOR THING. PLEASE EXPAND THE 500 YARDS OR WHATEVER FEET AROUND, BECAUSE IT WAS ALREADY A COMMERCIAL AREA THAT DIDN'T EVEN GET TO THE HOMEOWNERS IN THOSE AREAS. WELL, AS JOAN HAS PREVIOUSLY SAID, THAT'S WHY WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO SIGN IN TO. SO WE. OKAY. IT'S A CONSIDERATION THAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED FOR PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST HEAR IT THROUGH A SOCIAL MEDIA SOMEHOW BY SOMEBODY ELSE. SO NOTED. AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHETHER WE WANT TO SAY, YOU WANT AN INPUT THAT'S. NO, WE APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. AND IT'S NOT A BAD IDEA TO DO A STANDING WEB PAGE IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE A CONTINUED CONVERSATION. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE AREN'T EVEN AWARE OF. I TELL THEM AS MANY PEOPLE AS I CAN BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE USE THAT PARK, AND IT'S A SHAME THE CITY DOESN'T. I GUESS I WOULDN'T PUBLICIZE IT EITHER, THOUGH. I WANT TO DESTROY GREEN SPACE AND PUT A FIRE STATION SO I GET IT. BOTH ARE IMPORTANT. YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE A FIRE STATION, BUT NOT THE SITE. TWO IS OBVIOUSLY THE PLACE TO BE. IT'S THE LOCATION. OKAY. I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING. I AM. I THINK THERE'S TOO MUCH ADULT STUFF AT THIS PARK. IT'S NOT THERE YET, SO DON'T COUNT. OKAY. WELL, WE'VE NOTED THAT. I'VE NOTICED. NOTED THAT. AND. ALL RIGHT. IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS. I'LL BE STICKING AROUND FOR ABOUT 15 MINUTES AFTER WE SHUT THINGS DOWN. OTHERWISE, THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING OUT, AND WE'LL GIVE YOU ALL A NOTICE WHEN IT GOES TO COUNCIL. THANK YOU. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.