Apr 28, 2026 City Council

[1. Invocation - Father John Triolo, Ascension Catholic Church]

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APRIL 28TH, 2026, REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING. BEFORE WE BEGIN THE MEETING, LET ME REVIEW THE PROCEDURES FOR THE MEETING. IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK, COMPLETE A REQUEST TO SPEAK FORM LOCATED IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBER AND SUBMIT IT TO THE SERGEANT AT ARMS. WHEN YOUR NAME HAS BEEN CALLED, USE THE MICROPHONE AT THE LECTERN ON THE AUDIENCE'S RIGHT AND EITHER STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS OR YOUR NAME AND CITY. BE MINDFUL THE TIMER ON THE LECTERN AND WRAP UP YOUR COMMENT FOR YOUR SPEAKING TIME ENDS. THE TIME LIMITS ARE POSTED ON THE REQUEST TO SPEAK FORMS. AN APPLICANT, REPRESENTATIVE, OR PERSON WHO HAS A LEGAL STANDING TO SUPPORT OR OPPOSE A QUASI JUDICIAL MATTER WILL BE PERMITTED ENOUGH TIME, AS WILL BE DETERMINED BY THE CITY COUNCIL TO CREATE A RECORD BEFORE THE COUNCIL. ANY PERSON PERSON WHO BECOMES PERSONAL, IMPERTINENT OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS OR BECOME BOISTEROUS WHILE ADDRESSING A CITY COUNCIL WILL BE ORDERED TO LEAVE THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US THIS EVENING. WE'LL BEGIN WITH THE INVOCATION. IF YOU WISH TO PARTICIPATE, PLEASE STAND. TONIGHT, INVOCATION BE GIVEN BY FATHER JOHN TRILLO FROM ASCENSION CATHOLIC CHURCH.

THANK YOU, FATHER. LET US PRAY. HEAVENLY HEAVENLY FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR. THANK YOU FOR THIS GREAT CITY OF MELBOURNE. WE THANK YOU FOR ALL THE PROJECTS THAT ARE ONGOING IN THE WAYS THAT YOU ARE USING ALL OF US TO BUILD THIS BEAUTIFUL CITY. HEAVENLY FATHER, YOU WHO ARRANGE ALL THINGS IN WONDROUS ORDER AND GOVERN IN MARVELOUS WAYS, LOOK WITH FAVOR ON THIS ASSEMBLED CITY COUNCIL. POUR OUT UPON THEM THE SPIRIT OF YOUR WISDOM, ESPECIALLY UPON THE MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD, THAT THEY MAY DECIDE WITH COURAGE AND INTEGRITY EVERYTHING FOR THE WELL-BEING AND PEACE OF ALL THAT THEY. AND THAT THEY MAY NEVER TURN ASIDE FROM YOUR WILL.

IN YOUR NAME WE PRAY. AMEN. AMEN. THANK YOU. FATHER. PLEASE JOIN US FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE. ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER THREE. ROLL CALL. MR. MCEWEN. COUNCILMEMBER SMITH, COUNCILMEMBER LARUSSO. COUNCILMEMBER NEWMAN. COUNCILMEMBER BASSETT HERE.

COUNCILMEMBER HANLEY, VICE MAYOR KENNEDY HERE, MAYOR ALFREY. AND I'M HERE. I FOR

[4. Proclamations and Presentations]

OKAY, SO THIS IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE A GREAT MEETING. SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT WATER. AND, AND FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT DON'T KNOW, THE CITY OF MELBOURNE IS A REGIONAL WATER SUPPLIER. AND WE HAVE ABOUT NEARLY 60,000 CUSTOMERS AND NUMEROUS CITIES THAT WE PROVIDE WATER 160, 168 WELL ACCOUNTS. WOW, I'M WAY OFF. THANK YOU FOR CORRECTING ME. AND WE HAVE AND IT'S GROWING AND WE'RE MAKING IT CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, ABOUT 24, 23 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER A DAY.

I NAILED THAT ONE, DIDN'T I? OKAY, THERE WE GO. CLOSE ENOUGH. SO WATER IS VERY IMPORTANT IN THIS AND PRESERVING AND SAVING WATER. SO WE'RE GOING TO START OUT WITH PROCLAMATION CITY OF MELBOURNE. WHEREAS WATER IS THE MOST VALUABLE AND ESSENTIAL NATURAL NATIONAL NATURAL RESOURCE. AND WHEREAS DRINKING WATER SERVES AS A VITAL ROLE IN DAILY LIFE AND ESSENTIAL PURPOSE TO HEALTH, HYDRATION AND HYGIENE, NEED FOR THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR OUR CITIZENS TO ENJOY. AND WHEREAS TAP WATER DELIVERS PUBLIC HEALTH PROTECTION, FIRE PROTECTION, SUPPORT FOR OUR ECONOMY AND THE QUALITY OF LIFE WE ENJOY. AND WHEREAS WE ARE ALL STEWARDS OF THE WATER INFRASTRUCTURE UPON WHICH CURRENT AND FUTURE GENERATIONS DEPEND, AND WHEREAS EACH CITIZEN OF MELBOURNE IS CALLED UPON TO HELP PROTECT OUR SOURCE WATERS FROM POLLUTION AND TO PRACTICE WATER CONSERVATION, NOW THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT I, MAYOR, CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM MAY 3RD TO MAY 9TH, 2026, THE NATIONAL DRINKING WATER WEEK IN THE CITY OF MELBOURNE AND ENCOURAGE ALL CITIZENS AND BUSINESSES TO HELP PROTECT OUR WATER SOURCES AND PRACTICE WATER CONSERVATION. WITNESS MY HAND. THE SEAL OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE ON 28TH DAY OF APRIL

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WE NEED IT. EVERYBODY NEEDS IT. ANIMALS, PLANTS, HUMANS. IT'S A CIRCLE OF LIFE. SO YEAH, IT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT, PRECIOUS RESOURCE THAT WE HAVE. AND IT SHOULD BE PROTECTED AT ALL COSTS. THANK YOU. OKAY, THEN WE'LL START WITH THIS. SO YOU WANT TO YOU WANT TO DO THE CALL THE NAMES OR I WILL. IT'S UP TO YOU. AND HERE ARE THE NAMES FOR THE THE AWARDS HERE. SO THERE YOU GO. ONCE WE CALL YOUR NAME, PLEASE COME UP. AND AFTER WE'RE DONE WITH THE PRESENTATION, JUST MEET OUTSIDE SO WE CAN TAKE ANOTHER PICTURE. BUT WE'RE GOING TO GET A GROUP PHOTO AFTER WE CALL YOUR NAME AND YOU GUYS COME UP. OKAY, SO THE FIRST IS ADDISON SHALOM. I HOPE I SAID THAT RIGHT. COME ON UP. YOU ARE A DIVISION ONE WINNER. KINDERGARTEN. SHE'S IN KINDERGARTEN. AND YOU ALSO GET EACH OF YOU ALSO GET A $50 GIFT CARD TO TARGET. SO GOOD JOB.

PRETAX. YEAH. OKAY. COME ON UP OVER HERE. DO ME A FAVOR. WHICH ONE IS YOURS? AND CAN YOU TELL ME ABOUT IT? YEAH, YOU CAN TAKE THE MIC. THERE YOU GO. TELL US ABOUT ABOUT YOUR PICTURE AND WHAT IT MEANS TO YOU. GO AHEAD. IT'S ALL RIGHT. WHAT? SAVE WATER. SAVE WATER. OKAY. THERE YOU GO. DO THE NEXT ONE. THE NEXT WINNER IS HANNAH ALLEN. DIVISION TWO, SECOND GRADE. YOU WANT TO SHOW. YOU WANT TO SHOW WHICH ONE IS YOUR ART WORK? ARE YOU GOOD. AND KATHY, THE MIC REAL QUICK. AND YOU WANT TO TELL US WHAT THAT WHAT THAT MEANS AND STUFF WE WERE LEARNING ABOUT AMERICA'S BIRTHDAY IN SCHOOL. SO I WANTED TO DO THE CONSTITUTION. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. WELL, HANNAH, THAT'S YOURS. AND HOLD ON. BEFORE YOU GO, I'M GONNA THROW A WRENCH INTO THINGS. SO THIS. I GOT A CARD HERE WITH YOUR NAME ON IT. OKAY. I WANT YOU TO READ THIS.

GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT UP AND READ THIS. SO I GET PEOPLE THAT CALL ME AND REQUEST THINGS. AND, AND I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO LIKE THAT. SO GO AHEAD AND HAVE YOU READ THAT AND YOU'LL HAVE TO SAY THAT YOU NEED HELP OPENING IT. I'M GOING TO HELP YOU READ THIS. SO THIS IS ACTUALLY FROM SOMEONE WHO WANTED TO GIVE YOU A CARD. GO AHEAD. WE'LL READ IT TOGETHER AS A SPECIAL GRADE SECOND GRADER. YOU ARE A SHINING STAR BOTH IN, IN AND OUT, IN AND OUT OF THE CLASSROOM. WE ARE BEYOND PROUD OF ALL THAT YOU HAVE ACCOMPLISHED WITH LOVE. GRANDMA AND PAPA. OH. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. NEXT ONE. OUR NEXT WINNER IS CHARLOTTE TAMBLYN. DIVISION THREE WINNER, FIFTH GRADE. YOU WANT TO SHOW US YOUR ARTWORK? OH, YES. YOU OTTER SAVE WATER.

SHE HER ARTWORK IS GOING TO BE ON THE COVER OF OUR WATER QUALITY REPORT COMING OUT SOON.

SO GREAT JOB. DO YOU WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT? WE ALL WANT THE ANIMALS AND PEOPLE TO HAVE A SPACE, PLACE, SAFE PLACE TO LIVE. AND WATER IS LIKE THE MAIN RESOURCE. GOOD JOB. THERE YOU GO. ALL RIGHT. NEXT UP IS CHARLOTTE MCMANUS, SIXTH GRADER. SHE WON THE DIVISION FOUR. GREAT JOB CHARLOTTE. YOU WANT TO SHOW WHICH ONE'S YOURS? AWESOME.

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AND THEN GIVE HER THAT. YOU WANT THE GIFT CARD? YEAH, I FIGURED YOU TAKE THAT. COME ON.

RIGHT OVER HERE. AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, DYLAN, SING. DIVISION FIVE, NINTH GRADE.

THERE YOU GO. AND HIS WAS VERY IMPRESSIVE. YEAH. DO YOU WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT? SO MINE WAS LIKE, RIGHT HERE AND YOU'RE ON TV. OKAY. YEAH. TELL US ABOUT IT. THANK YOU. SO BASICALLY MINE WAS LIKE, I WAS TRYING TO BASE IT OFF. LIKE HOW IT'S LIKE A REALLY BIG TREASURE FOR WATER. LIKE IT'S VALUABLE HOW LIKE, LIKE HOW LIKE YOU CAN SEE LIKE THE GOD, LIKE THE WATER, THE GOD OF WATER. AND SHE'S CRYING BECAUSE LIKE IT SHOWS LIKE SHE'S CRYING BECAUSE THE WATER IS BEING WASTED BY MANY PEOPLE. SO IT'S CONSERVE. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. GOOD. AND THAT IS ALL. THANK YOU FOR COMING TOGETHER. AND REAL QUICK, COUNCIL, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME DOWN? I'M GOING TO. OKAY. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. THAT OKAY THEY CAN COME. COME DOWN HERE, YOU GUYS. HOW'S THAT? YOU WANT TO HAND IT BACK? YEAH, WE'LL GET YOU BACK BEHIND. AND YOU GOT TO SHOW. YOU GOT TO SHOW YOUR WHAT YOU WANT. WE ALL CALL YOU ALL GET BACK HERE ALL DAY.

NO, I'LL STAND OVER. THERE WE GO. THREE, TWO, ONE BIG WATER. ALL RIGHT. GIVE ALL THE WAY. SO YOU GUYS ARE ALL. FOR THAT PICTURE OUTSIDE, I BELIEVE. YEAH. WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU YOUR ARTWORK TO TAKE HOME. IT'S ALL FRAMED, SO I'LL LET YOU KNOW. WE ALL INTERVIEWED IT. SO THIS OUT. ALL RIGHT. WELL DONE. I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS SOMEBODY IN THERE. OKAY.

CONGRATULATIONS. ALL RIGHT. Y'ALL CAN FOLLOW HER ON OUT AND GET YOUR PICTURE AND GO. GO SPIN BUY SOMETHING FOR YOUR PARENTS, I DARE YOU. MISS CLAUDE. COME ON DOWN. THAT'S A TOUGH ACT TO FOLLOW. THAT'S A TOUGH ACT TO FOLLOW, YOU KNOW? YES, I DO. HOW ARE YOU DOING? I'M DOING GREAT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, SO YOU'RE HERE TO ACCEPT THE PROCLAMATION. YOU'RE FROM THE U.S. SMALL BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION. NOW, THIS IS KIND OF A LENGTHY ONE, BUT IT'S PRETTY IMPORTANT. IT'S REGARDING U.S. SMALL BUSINESS AND REALLY GENERALLY NOT JUST THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BUT OVERALL, YOU KNOW, BEING A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER, LIKE MOST OF MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE REALLY THEY'RE REALLY WHO SUPPORT OUR FAMILY AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE WHAT DRIVES ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. AND, YOU KNOW, I LIKE SMALL BUSINESS BECAUSE YOU TAKE A DREAM AND THEN YOU TRY TO CREATE THAT DREAM AND YOU WATCH IT GROW. SO TO ME, THIS IS A REALLY NICE TO HEAR, REALLY NOT JUST SMALL BUSINESS WEEK, BUT SMALL BUSINESS YEAR AND CENTURY. SO, BUT I WANT TO GO ON REAL QUICK A PROCLAMATION.

WHEREAS SMALL BUSINESSES ARE THE ARE THE ENGINE OF THE AMERICAN ECONOMY AND THE FOUNDATION OF A FREE AND PROSPEROUS NATION. ACCOUNTING ACCOUNTING FOR MORE THAN 99% OF ALL PRIVATE SECTOR EMPLOYERS IN CREATING NEARLY TWO OUT OF EVERY THREE NEW JOBS NATIONWIDE.

AND WHEREAS, FROM OUR FARMS AND FACTORY FLOORS TO THE FRONTIERS OF TECHNOLOGY, SMALL BUSINESSES DRIVE INNOVATION, STRENGTHEN LOCAL ECONOMIES, AND PROVIDE THE PRODUCT AND SERVICES THAT KEEP AMERICA COMPETITIVE, SECURE AND STRONG. AND IN RECENT YEARS, SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS AND WORKERS ENDURED AN INFLATION CRISIS MARKED BY RISING PRICES AND DECLINING PURCHASE POWER. YET UNDER PRESIDENT TRUMP, INFLATION HAS BECOME UNDER CONTROL. REAL WAGES HAVE BEGUN TO RISE, AND AMERICA'S ENTREPRENEURS ARE ONCE AGAIN OPERATING WITH

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AND WHEREAS OUR NATION NOW STANDS AT A THRESHOLD OF A NEW GOLDEN ERA FOR MAIN STREET, BUILT ON COMMON SENSE, PRO-GROWTH POLICIES THAT PUT OUR PEOPLE, OUR WORKERS, AND OUR JOB CREATORS FIRST. AND WHEREAS PRIORITIZING ENERGY INDEPENDENCE, SECURE BORDERS AND FAIR TRADE IS RESTORING ECONOMIC STRENGTH, SELF-RELIANCE, AND OPPORTUNITY.

AND WHEREAS THE ENACTMENT OF THE WORKING FAMILY TAX CUTS MAKE SMALL BUSINESS DEDUCTION PERMANENT, ALLOWS 100% EXPENSING OF NEW FACTORIES AND EQUIPMENT, EXPANDS OPPORTUNITY ZONES, ELIMINATES TAXES ON TIPS AND OVERTIMES, AND DELIVERS MEANINGFUL TAX RELIEF TO STRENGTHEN SMALL BUSINESSES, EMPOWERS ENTREPRENEURS AND FUELS JOB CREATION AND COMMUNITIES AROUND THE STATE OF FLORIDA, BREVARD COUNTY AND THE CITY OF MELBOURNE. AND WHEREAS, THE STATE OF FLORIDA, BREVARD COUNTY, AND THE CITY OF MELBOURNE SHARE THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION'S COMMITMENT TO CUTTING RED TAPE, KEEPING TAXES LOW, AND FIGHTING FOR THE HARD WORKING ENTREPRENEURS WHO POWER OUR ECONOMY FROM THE GROUND UP. AND WHEREAS, NATIONAL SMALL BUSINESS WEEK HAS BEEN PROCLAIMED BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES SINCE 1963, HONORING THE VITAL ROLE OF SMALL BUSINESSES IN CREATING JOBS, GROWING THE ECONOMY, AND ANCHORING OUR COMMUNITIES. AND WHEREAS IN 2026, THE UNITED STATES WILL COMMEMORATE COMMEMORATE THE 250TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE SIGNING OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE, KNOWN KNOWN AS FREEDOM 250, MAKING A HISTORIC OPPORTUNITY TO REFLECT ON THE NATION'S FOUNDING PRINCIPLES OF FREE ENTERPRISE. NOW THEREFORE, BE RESOLVED THAT I. MAYOR OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM MAY 3RD THROUGH MAY 9TH, 2026 AS NATIONAL SMALL BUSINESS WEEK AND ENCOURAGE ALL CITIZENS TO SUPPORT SMALL BUSINESSES AND CELEBRATE THEIR MANY ACHIEVEMENTS. WITNESS MY HAND. THE SEAL OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE. THE 28TH DAY OF APRIL 2026. PAUL ALFREY, MAYOR. SO AGAIN, IF YOU'LL SAY A FEW WORDS REGARDING THE SMALL BUSINESS AND WHAT THE SMALL BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION DOES FOR OUR SMALL BUSINESSES AND OUR ENTREPRENEURS, I KNOW ALL MY FELLOW COUNCIL, WE HAVE ACCOUNTANTS, WE HAVE FINANCIAL PEOPLE, WE GOT SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS. SO I'M VERY BLESSED TO BE ON A DIET WITH FELLOW MEMBERS OF COUNCIL THAT UNDERSTAND WHAT SMALL BUSINESSES DO FOR THIS COMMUNITY. SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GIVE YOU THAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MAYOR FRIEND. THANK YOU TO THE BOARD FOR HAVING ME. IT IS A PLEASURE TO BE HERE. SO AT THE US SMALL BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION, WE LOVE SMALL BUSINESSES. WE SUPPORT AND CELEBRATE SMALL BUSINESSES, WHICH IS WHY I'M HERE TODAY. SO SBA, WE WERE ESTABLISHED BY CONGRESS BACK IN 1953. SO AS OF JULY OF THIS YEAR, IT WILL BE 72 YEARS AND COUNTING. SO IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME. SO WHAT WE DO IS WE HELP ENTREPRENEURS AND SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS TO PLAN, LAUNCH THEIR BUSINESSES, MANAGE AND GROW. AND WE DO IT BY HELPING WITH ACCESS TO CAPITAL, ACCESS TO BUSINESS COUNSELING ALSO HELP YOU GET INTO FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CONTRACTING. AND WE HELP WITH DISASTER RELIEF IN TIMES OF DISASTER, WITH DISASTER LOAN PROGRAMS. SO OVERALL, THAT'S WHAT WE DO. AND AGAIN, WE DO IT BECAUSE SMALL BUSINESSES ARE REALLY THE BACKBONE OF THE AMERICAN ECONOMY. AS YOU HEARD IT FROM MAYOR ALFRED, THEY MAKE UP 36 MILLION. THEY'RE 36 MILLION SMALL BUSINESSES NATIONWIDE, AND THEY MAKE UP 99%, OVER 99% OF BUSINESSES IN THE WHOLE NATION. SO THAT IS A BIG DEAL.

AND THEY DO MAKE AGAIN, I WILL EMPHASIZE THEY MAKE TWO OUT OF EVERY THREE JOBS. SO THERE ARE THE JOB PROVIDERS OUT THERE GIVING FAMILIES AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK AND PROVIDE FOR THEIR LOVED ONES. SO PLEASE AGAIN, SUPPORT SMALL BUSINESSES, SHOP LOCAL EVERY CHANCE YOU GET BECAUSE THEY ARE REALLY THE BACKBONE OF THE AMERICAN ECONOMY. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

THANK YOU. THREE. TWO. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE YOU. APPRECIATE. YOU UNDERSTAND.

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OKAY, SO BATTALION CHIEF JODY KALER BEGAN HIS CAREER ON APRIL 23RD OF 2001 AS A PARAMEDIC FROM OSCEOLA COUNTY FIRE RESCUE. I CAN'T READ IT. NO. SOON AFTER JOINING MELBOURNE, HE ACHIEVED HIS SOLO PARAMEDIC STATUS. IS THIS WORKING? YEAH. NO, IT IS OKAY. HE WAS. HE WAS PROMOTED TO DRIVER ENGINEER IN 2007. AND THEN IN SEPTEMBER OF 2010, HE EARNED HIS BACHELOR'S DEGREE IN FIRE SCIENCE. HE WAS PROMOTED TO LIEUTENANT IN AUGUST OF 2011 AND LATER ADVANCED TO BATTALION CHIEF IN MAY OF 2018. SO AS BATTALION CHIEF, JODY OVERSEES THE SOUTH DISTRICT OF THE OF THE CITY, WHICH INCLUDES ALL AREAS SOUTH OF BREVARD DRIVE ON SEA SHIFT. THIS ASSIGNMENT ENCOMPASSES FOUR STATIONS AND APPROXIMATELY 24 EMPLOYEES EACH EACH SHIFT. SO JODY IS A CERTIFIED AIRCRAFT RESCUE FIREFIGHTER OR ARFF. I HAD TO READ THAT A COUPLE TIMES AND I'M LIKE, I ALWAYS JUST CALL IT ARFF AND HOLDS TECHNICIAN LEVEL ONE CERTIFICATIONS IN CONFINED SPACE, VEHICLE AND MACHINERY RESCUE AND ROPE RESCUE. HE HOLDS INSTRUCTOR ONE AND LIVE FIRE INSTRUCTOR ONE CERTIFICATIONS, QUALIFYING HIM TO DELIVER CLASSROOM STYLE AND HANDS ON TRAINING, AS WELL AS SUPERVISE AND CONDUCT LIVE FIRE TRAINING EVALUATIONS.

THROUGHOUT HIS CAREER, JODY HAS RECEIVED EIGHT UNIT CITATIONS FOR VARIOUS INCIDENTS, PRIMARILY FOR WORK IN PRESERVING LIFE AND PROPERTY DURING STRUCTURE FIRES. LASTLY, ON A PERSONAL NOTE, HERE IS JODY HAS BEEN MARRIED TO HIS WIFE STEPHANIE FOR 18 YEARS AND THEY HAVE TWO DAUGHTERS, CAMERON AND KENDALL, AND HIS FAMILY IS HERE TONIGHT TO TO SEE HIM GET HIS 25 YEAR AWARD, WHICH IS I FIND VERY EXCITING. OUTSIDE OF WORK, HE ENJOYS FISHING, HUNTING AND SURFING, AND I KNOW EVERY TIME THAT I ENCOUNTER YOU, YOU ALWAYS MAKE ME SMILE. WE ALWAYS HAVE A VERY NICE CONVERSATION AND I HEAR GREAT THINGS ABOUT YOU. IT CAN BE EVIDENCED BY HOW MANY OF YOUR FELLOW FIRE DEPARTMENT EMPLOYEES ARE HERE WITH YOU TONIGHT, AND I KNOW THAT THEY RESPECT YOU. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR 25 YEARS. DO YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. SO YOU KNOW WHAT I'LL SAY FROM ALL THE YOUNG, OUR YOUNG FIREFIGHTERS OUT THERE, AND I'M SURE CHIEF LEACH AGREE WITH ME, YOU, YOU YOU WANT TO GET THESE ONE DAY. SO THIS IS THIS IS A MONUMENTAL 25 YEARS. YOU ONLY HAVE 25 YEARS LEFT. SO YOU'RE ABOUT HALFWAY THERE. BUT BUT I WANT TO PRESENT THAT TO YOU WITH YOUR PEN AND WITH A LITTLE GIFT CARD, VERY SMALL GIFT CARD IN THERE. BUT IF YOU'D LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS AND ALSO ABOUT YOUR FAMILY, AND AGAIN, YOU COULDN'T DO THIS JOB WITHOUT YOUR FAMILY AND, YOU KNOW, GETTING, YOU KNOW, GETTING YOUR BACK. SO IF YOU'LL SAY A FEW WORDS, ALL RIGHT, I'D LIKE TO JUST SAY, DO YOU GUYS WANT TO COME? YEAH, ACTUALLY, YOU HAVE TO. I'M THE MAYOR, SO YOU HAVE TO COME UP. LET'S GO. I'M GOING TO MAKE THEM DO SOMETHING. YEAH, I LIKE IT. COME ON UP, GIRLS. COME ON, COME ON, GIRL. IT'S BEEN AN HONOR AND A PRIVILEGE TO SERVE THE CITIZENS OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR THE LAST 25 YEARS. I APPRECIATE EVERYONE. I APPRECIATE THE MEN AND WOMEN THAT I WORK WITH EVERY SINGLE DAY. THEY DO A GREAT JOB FOR ME.

AND WE'RE LUCKY ENOUGH TO HAVE CHIEF LEACH NOW, SO THAT'S GOOD. HE'S A GREAT GUY. CAME THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT AND THROUGH THE RANKS. I THANK MY FAMILY FOR SUPPORTING ME AND COUNCIL AND THE CITY. THANK YOU. IT'S BEEN AN HONOR, PRIVILEGE. HOPEFULLY A COUPLE MORE YEARS LEFT IN ME.

YEAH. WELL, ACTUALLY, REAL QUICK, LET'S DO A FAMILY AND THEN WE'LL DO ALL WHEN I'M BACK.

THERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT. THREE. TWO ONE. THANK YOU. CONGRATULATIONS. COUNCIL.

COUNCIL. THANK YOU I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL. THE CHIEFS CHIEF.

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THANK YOU. MAKE SURE YOU BRING THE LAST RIDE, CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. OH, MAN. I DIDN'T DIDN'T HIT IT. I THINK THE MORE FIRE ALL RIGHT IT'S LIKE A WEIRD SUGAR CAFFEINE AND. ALL RIGHT WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE ITEM NUMBER FIVE. THE APPROVAL OF

[5. Approval of Minutes - April 14, 2026 Regular Meeting]

[6. City Manager's Report]

WHAT WE HAVE FOUND WITH THAT ADDITIONAL DUE DILIGENCE THAT HAS BEEN DONE AND WHAT'S NEXT? WHERE ARE WE HEADED? AND SO THAT THAT SHOULD BE A DISCUSSION ITEM AT THE NEXT MEETING. YEAH. GO AHEAD MA'AM. I HAD SOMEONE COME TO MY OFFICE ABOUT SOME OTHER PROPERTY FOR STATION 72. I'D ASKED THE CITY STAFF TO LOOK INTO IT, AND IF THEY HAVE TO DO ANY OTHER INVESTIGATION, THAT THEY WOULD GO IN THERE AND LOOK AT THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY. OKAY.

ADDITIONAL PROPERTY. IT'S AN ADDITIONAL PIECE OF PROPERTY THERE ON SARNO THAT THAT THEIR ATTORNEY CAME TO ME AND AND OH, SORRY, THEIR ATTORNEY CAME TO ME AND SAID THEY, THEY WERE INTERESTED IN SELLING. SO YOU SAY DONATING OR SELLING? SELLING. I KNOW DONATING I WOULD BE THAT WOULD BE A WHOLE DIFFERENT BALL GAME. I KNOW. OKAY, WELL, I BELIEVE IT WAS ONE OF THE SITES THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY BROUGHT UP TO COUNCIL. AND SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN TALK TO THE OWNER AND, AND GET SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IF IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO GO, I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN GET ENOUGH INFORMATION IN TWO WEEKS. CAN WE PUSH BACK THEN THAT FROM THE 12TH, CAN WE PUSH IT BACK TO THE THE SECOND, SECOND, SECOND MEETING OF THE MONTH IN MAY? THEN WE MAY. I THAT THAT COULD BE UP TO COUNCIL IF THEY WANT TO. ALL RIGHT. IF WE MOVE IT BACK, DO YOU FEEL IT'S A IT'S A IT'S A POSSIBILITY. YES. IT'S A VERY IT'S A VERY, VERY BIG. WELL, I WOULD I WOULD SAY, MISS HANLEY, THAT WE, I KIND OF I FEEL IN MY OPINION, WE'D HAVE TO. BECAUSE IF IT'S I MEAN, WE WERE TRYING.

WE'RE THIS IS A I KNOW IT'S A PROCESS WE WANT TO GET DONE. BUT IF IT'S A REAL. IT WAS A SHOCK TO ME THAT THEY CAME IN. SO THEY HEARD. I THINK WHAT WHAT HAPPENED IS THEY KNEW THEY FOUND OUT ABOUT THE MONDAY MEETING AND THEY WERE IN MY OFFICE BY WEDNESDAY. SO I THINK THAT WAS THAT WAS THE CATALYST THAT PUSHED THEM OVER. IT IS IT WAS SITE FOUR THAT WE PRESENTED IN OCTOBER. IT IS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF SARNO ROAD AND IT IS EAST OF WICKHAM ROAD. AND SO THAT THAT WAS WAS LOOKED AT BEFORE. IS IT ON THE IS IT ON THE LIST OR IS IT SOMETHING WE DECIDED ON? WE DECIDED NOT TO, BUT AT THE TIME IT WASN'T LISTED. THEY WEREN'T INTERESTED IN SELLING, BUT THEY CAME IN. THEY CAME IN TO THE OFFICE. SO SO THAT'S THAT'S AN OPTION. I WOULD LIKE TO EXPLORE THAT OPTION IS EVERYBODY AGREE? DO WE HAVE ANY EVERYBODY AGREE WITH EXPLORING THAT OPTION. THEN WE WOULD YOU RECOMMEND THAT WE MOVE THAT BACK. MAYOR.

VICE MAYOR. SO THE REASON THAT IT WASN'T ON OUR FINAL LIST IS BECAUSE IT WASN'T FOR SALE AT THE TIME. IS THAT RIGHT? LET ME I CAN GO BACK. AND THAT KNOCKED IT OFF THE LIST IS WHAT I'M

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DO YOU THINK THAT JENNY, LET'S SAY IF WE DO THE MAY THE 2ND, WHICH WOULD BE WHAT THE 26626 YEAH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 2626 WOULD IT GIVE YOU ENOUGH TIME TO LOOK AT THAT PROPERTY? WE COULD AT LEAST SEE WHAT THE PRICES WE PROB I'M NOT SURE WE CAN GET AN APPRAISAL. WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET AN APPRAISAL BY THEN, AND WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GET THE ENVIRONMENTAL STUDIES DONE. BUT WE COULD AT LEAST GET YOU COSTS AND TIME FRAMES FOR THAT. IF WE CAN GET MOVING FORWARD WITH THE PHASE ONE, YOU HAVE TO DO THE PHASE ONE BEFORE THAT. PHASE TWO, EVEN THOUGH WE KNOW IT'S GOING TO GO TO A PHASE TWO, WE I CAN REPORT BACK TO COUNCIL ON THAT EITHER VIA EMAIL OR AT THE NEXT MEETING THAT WE PROCEEDED FORWARD JUST TO GET THAT PRELIMINARY. AFTER BEING AT THAT MEETING AT THE FIRE FOR THE FIRE HOUSE, THE. I WISH THEY HADN'T LEFT SO EARLY. I DON'T THINK THEY WERE EXPECTING THIS CONVERSATION, BUT I KNOW THAT AFTER BEING THERE AND JOAN CAN SAY THIS, THAT THEY WANT TO BE ON THE EAST SIDE OF WICKHAM ROAD RATHER THAN ON THE WEST SIDE OF WICKHAM ROAD, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE ALL THE MOST OF THE STUFF HAPPENS AND YES, HOUSES. WELL, AND THEN YES, THERE'S GROWTH. BUT IF YOU'VE LIVED HERE LONG ENOUGH, WE'VE GONE THROUGH GROWTH SPURTS AND THINGS HAVE SET FOR MARY. ARE YOU HOW MANY TIMES WE'VE KNOWN THAT. OH YEAH. YEAH, THIS IS COMING, THIS IS COMING. AND IT DOESN'T COME TO FRUITION. SO WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHERE WE'RE AT NOW AND WHAT'S NEEDED NOW. NOT RIGHT 20 YEARS FROM NOW. IT COULD BE IN A WHOLE DIFFERENT BALL GAME. CORRECT. OKAY, SO I GUESS WE'LL SEE WHAT WE CAN GET DONE IN THAT PERIOD OF TIME AND REPORT BACK ON THAT. OKAY, GOOD.

ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE COMES IN MY OFFICE. I'M SORRY. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. MOVING ON TO

[7. Public Comments]

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THEY'RE DUE TO A LACK OF ACCESS, VISIBILITY AND OPPORTUNITY. SO MY SMALL BUSINESS ON THE OTHER SIDE FOR MY NONPROFIT IS CALLED BLACK BLACK BRILLIANCE ON THE ROOFTOP. THE REASON WHY IT'S CALLED BLACK BRILLIANCE ON THE ROOFTOP IS IT'S MEANT TO ELEVATE BLACK ENTREPRENEURS AND MINORITY ENTREPRENEURS TO THE TOP ECHELONS OF WHATEVER BUSINESS THEY'RE IN, A LOT LIKE THE SBA DOES HERE FOR ANY BUSINESS THAT'S OUT THERE AND WE DO WORK WITH ANY BUSINESSES.

THIS ISN'T SPECIFICALLY JUST THAT, BUT WE HIGHLIGHT BLACK AND MINORITY ENTREPRENEURS ON A BASIS THAT WE WANT TO HELP THEIR SMALL BUSINESSES GROW. WE WANT TO HELP THEM SCALE THEIR BUSINESSES. WE WANT TO CONNECT THEM IN THIS PARTICULAR CITY WITH THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO HELP THEM GET TO WHERE THEY NEED TO BE, WHETHER THAT BE FINANCIAL BASIS, WHETHER THAT BE NETWORKING, WHETHER THAT BE B2B, WHATEVER IT MAY NEED, WHETHER IT BE IN GOVERNMENT CONTRACTING. BECAUSE I MYSELF, WITH MY FOR PROFIT COMPANY, HAVE A GOVERNMENT CONTRACTING BUSINESS, I DO IT, I'M ABLE TO HAVE I HAVE THREE CONTRACTS RIGHT NOW WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF VETERAN AFFAIRS, ALONG WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE. I DO HAVE A CONTRACT THERE, AND I DO UTILIZE THAT BUSINESS TO HELP FUND THIS NONPROFIT AS WELL. WHAT WE DO HAVE COMING UP IS WE GO THROUGH ON A MONTHLY BASIS, WE DO WORKSHOPS, SO WE DO BUSINESS FUNDAMENTALS, WE DO FINANCIAL FUNDAMENTALS, MARKETING FUNDAMENTALS, SOCIAL MEDIA FUNDAMENTALS, TRY AND GET BUSINESSES TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THEIR GAPS ARE, WHAT WE CAN DO AND HOW WE CAN HELP. WE DO ALL OF THIS FOR FREE. WE ALSO GO THROUGH WE HAVE A COMMUNITY QUARTERBACK INITIATIVE WHERE WE ALSO REACH OUT TO DIFFERENT BUSINESSES IN THE AREA. I, I'LL GIVE YOU THANKS WHERE WE CAN TRY AND HELP THEM OUT. ONE OF THE BIG THINGS THAT WE HAVE COMING UP IS OUR YEARLY ANNUAL EVENT CALLED BLACK BRILLIANCE ON THE ROOFTOP. IT IS HELD RIGHT HERE AT HOME. I'LL BE IN AT THE LANDING. WE RENT OUT THE ENTIRE ROOFTOP. AND MY BIG POINT IS TO BOTH HAVE YOU GUYS COME AND ALSO HAVE YOU BE PARTICIPANTS IN SPREADING THE WORD ABOUT WHAT WE DO. WE WANT TO WE'RE HERE IN BREVARD COUNTY. WE'RE LITERALLY RIGHT PART OF YOUR DOWNTOWN AREA, AND WE WANT YOUR HELP TO DO MORE FOR THE COMMUNITY. WE WANT YOU GUYS TO LET PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT US. LET PEOPLE YOU KNOW, IF YOU GUYS KNOW OF ANYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY OR SOME OF YOUR PARTNERS OR WHEREVER, WE CAN TRY AND HELP OUT. THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO. WE PARTNER WITH SBA, BLACK CHAMBER AND PALM BAY CHAMBER, EVERYWHERE ELSE WE'RE TRYING TO GET INTO. BEING HERE IS JUST ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO GET IN. GOOD. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS TIME.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU THANK YOU. ALFREDO HERNANDEZ. FOLLOWED BY MICHAEL FENTY. THE GOAL ON ALFREDO. HOW YOU BEEN. I'M DOING GREAT. THANK YOU. OH GOOD EVENING TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

GOOD EVENING TO MY CO PEOPLE. AND FIRST EXCUSE ME BECAUSE MY ENGLISH IS NOT PERFECT. SO I HAD TO WRITE DOWN WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY. AND I SENT TO YOU GUYS A COPY OF MY SPEECH. MY INTENTION HERE IS VERY SINCERE. I'M HERE TO RESPECTFULLY BRING THE ATTENTION OF TO HOW TAXPAYER MONEY IS BEING USED, AND ASK THOSE WHO HAVE THE POWER TO DECIDE TO CONSIDER INVESTMENT THAT TRULY BENEFITS THE MAJORITY OF OUR COMMUNITY, NOT JUST A SMALL GROUP. I'M A LOCAL BUSINESS OWNER HERE IN TOWN FOR 18 YEARS, AND I CARE DEEPLY ABOUT HOW DOWNTOWN AND ABOUT OUR CITY. THERE IS A PROPOSAL IN HERE TO EXPAND TO START USING THE IN THE PLANNING

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WE ARE DESTROYING AN HISTORICAL PARK IN HERE TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T BRING ANY BENEFITS, IN MY UNDERSTANDING, TO THE COMMUNITY. AND OVER 180 PEOPLE WHO HAVE SIGNED THAT, THEY DON'T GET BENEFIT FOR THAT. I UNDERSTAND THE INTENTION, THE INTENTION OF CREATING A GATHERING PLACE. I AGREE WITH THE WITH THAT VISION, BUT I RESPECTFULLY BELIEVE TO APPROVE THE APPROACH WILL BE DIFFERENT. HOMELESS PARK ALREADY IS AN HAS AN HISTORICAL VALUE SPACE.

INSTEAD OF REPLACING WITH SOMETHING LIKE AN AMPHITHEATER, SOMETHING THAT MAY BRING NOISE, BENEFITS, ONLY OCCASIONAL EVENTS, AND ALSO TAKE AWAY EXISTING PARKING SPACES. EVEN.

I HAVE BEEN TOLD TODAY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO ADD MORE PARKING SPACES. I DON'T KNOW HOW MAYBE THEY'RE GOING TO CREATE THE SECOND FLOORS. AND I'VE BEEN SARCASTIC. NOW TO DOWNTOWN ALREADY DEPENDENT ON. WE SHOULD FOCUS ON IMPROVING WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE FOR EVERYDAY USE. A PARK LIKE HOLMES PARK WITH BETTER LIGHTING, PROPERTY, TRIM, TREE FLOWERS AND CLEAN SURROUNDINGS THAT ARE VERY DIRTY TODAY. COMBINED WITH A CONSISTENT MAINTENANCE AND A REGULAR NIGHT PRESENCE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT DAY AND NIGHT, WE DON'T GET A LOT OF VISITORS IN THERE ANYMORE. WE REALLY HELP OUR COMMUNITY WITHOUT THE NEED TO SPEND JUST TO START $300,000, BECAUSE IT COST MORE THAN THAT. IMAGINE A CLEAN WELL MAINTAINING A PARK WITH NO DARK AREAS THAT CAN HIDE THOSE WHO WHO USE DARKNESS FOR DRUGS AND CRIME, ALONG WITH OUTDOOR EXERCISE EQUIPMENT, ACCESSIBLE DRINKING WATER, PUBLIC RESTROOM. WE DON'T HAVE PUBLIC RESTROOMS IN MELBOURNE AND EDUCATIONAL SITES FOR OUR YOUTH. PEOPLE TO KNOW ABOUT THE HISTORY OF MELBOURNE. AT THE SAME TIME, I BELIEVE WE NEED TO ADDRESS THE SYSTEM PROBLEMS. GOOD, SIR. GOOD. SORRY ABOUT THAT. I CAN CAN I KEEP GOING OR NO, NO. YES, PLEASE GO AHEAD.

PLEASE. I BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS THE SYSTEM PROBLEM THAT HAVE BEEN LEFT UNSOLVABLE FOR A LONG TIME, INCLUDING DEBRIS FROM CONSTRUCTION, ABANDONED HOME, DAMAGED UTILITY POLE, EXPOSED CABLES, AND MISSING SIGN. WE SAW THE DEBRIS FROM THE BRIGHT LINE OF BRIGHT HOUSE. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO CALL THE RAILROAD TRACK AND MAY NOT HAVE BEEN TOLD THEY ARE DIFFICULT CUSTOMERS. AND SO EVEN I MEAN, I VOLUNTEER TO CLEAN. WE HAVE THOSE 184 PEOPLE WHO VOLUNTEER TO CLEAN THAT. I MEAN, LADY, I WAS TOLD, YOU KNOW, THAT THE THAT THEY CANNOT CLEAN BECAUSE IT'S A PRIVATE PROPERTY. IF SOMEBODY DO MY YARD IN THERE FOR FREE, I WON'T COMPLAIN. THEY PLANT FLOWERS. I WON'T COMPLAIN EITHER. FINALLY, I BELIEVE TAXPAYERS SHOULD HAVE MORE ACCESS AND MORE VOICE REGARDING HOW AVAILABLE FUNDS ARE USED. I WILL ALSO RESPECTFULLY LET YOU KNOW IF MY WORD TODAY WILL REMAIN IN THE AIR, OR I CAN EXPECT RESPONSE AND FOLLOW UP. I HAVE PREVIOUSLY SENT EMAIL TO MARCUS SMITH, WHO REPRESENT DISTRICT ONE AS WELL, TO SOME OTHER DEPARTMENT WITH THE CITY. UNFORTUNATELY, I DID NOT GET RESPONSE FROM YOU AND SOME OTHER DEPARTMENT. THEY HAD ANSWER TO ME AND THAT IS A MISSING LINK IN THERE BETWEEN EMAILS. BUT ARE THEY GOING TO FOLLOW UP WITH ME? I AM ASKING THE COUNCIL TO TAKE AN ACTION IN THIS ISSUE. AND WE NEED WE NEED THAT ACCOUNTABILITY. AND AND I WANT TO KNOW WHEN CAN I EXPECT AN ANSWER ABOUT THIS ISSUE? BECAUSE CONTINUE EVERY DAY THEY ARE DOING SOMETHING. THEY'RE GOING TO START THE CONSTRUCTION AND NOTHING HAPPENED. $300,000 USED TO START. THAT'S FOR THE ENGINEER DEPARTMENT ENGINEER DESIGN.

IT'S GOING TO COST A FORTUNE WHEN WE CAN DO. WE HAVE SO MANY IDEAS IN HERE IN TOWN, SINCE THE TOWN NEED INSTEAD TO BUILD AN AMPHITHEATER RIGHT IN THERE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE.

AND I'M SORRY ABOUT MY ENGLISH. IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND MY ENGLISH, THAT'S THE REASON I PUT IT IN A PAPER. MY ENGLISH IS VERY BAD LOOKING. YEAH. GOOD AFTERNOON. SO YEAH, SO SO FIRST OF ALL, I KNOW YOU SAID YOU REACHED OUT TO MR. SMITH, BUT THIS IS MY DISTRICT, SO I'M HAPPY TO HELP YOU WITH THAT IF YOU WANT TO. IS THIS INFORMATION ON THE PAPERWORK? HOW ABOUT WE MEET AT THE PARK? YOU COULD TELL ME ABOUT YOUR VISION OF IT. WE COULD TALK ABOUT WHEN YOU WANT TO DO THAT. OH, NO, I WILL. I WILL EMAIL YOU OR TEXT YOU AND WE'LL SET UP A TIME THAT WORKS FOR MY PHONE NUMBER IS IN THERE. SO YOU LET ME KNOW. I'M GONNA MAKE MYSELF AVAILABLE ANYTIME. YEAH, WE'LL HAVE A MEETING AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT WHAT YOUR, WHAT YOUR

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I'VE LIVED IN BREVARD COUNTY FOR OVER 50 YEARS. IT'S IT'S A PART OF HEAVEN FOR ME. I'M A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER AND SO I THANK THE THE GIRL WHO WORKS WITH THE SMALL BUSINESS. AND I, I'M HERE TONIGHT, TODAY AS AN ADVOCATE FOR MY FRIEND JOE, WHO OWNS THE MARATHON GAS STATION ON US ONE IN SOUTH MELBOURNE AND HAS HAD THE ISLAND BUILT THAT HAS BLOCKED TRAFFIC FROM BEING ABLE TO COME INTO HIS BUSINESS. THAT ISLAND ALSO BLOCKS BROOKS GLASS BLOCKS THE AMERICAN LEGION, BLOCKS TUCKER'S PLUMBING, AND FROM THE SOUTH IT BLOCKS GLENN'S TIRE.

SO WHOEVER THOUGHT UP THE ISLAND MAYBE MISSED A FEW, MISSED A FEW THINGS. JOE'S OWNED THE BUILDING FOR 22 YEARS. HE HAS FUEL WHICH IS NECESSARY FOR OUR CARS. THE WAWA IS SOMETIMES A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT TO GET INTO. AND THEN THE NEXT GAS STATION SOUTH IS.

GOD BLESS YOU IS ON THE HILL DOWN NEAR WHERE PALM BAY ROAD HITS US. ONE. SO IT'S IT'S A NECESSARY FACILITY FOR FUEL. HE ALSO HAS THE BEST FRIED CHICKEN AND POTATO WEDGES IN CASE ANYBODY IS WILLING TO TRY THAT, WHICH IS IN AN ETHNIC NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS A VERY POPULAR STOP RIGHT NOW. HIS BUSINESS IS DOWN OVER 50% FROM THAT ISLAND BEING THERE. HE'S PAID PROPERTY TAXES ON HIS BUILDING FOR 22 YEARS. HE PLAYS PAYS SALES TAX TO THE STATE OF FLORIDA. HIS SALES TAX NUMBERS ARE DOWN 50% SINCE THE ISLAND WENT IN. SO WITH THOSE CONSIDERATIONS, THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION ON WOODLAND AVENUE IN DELAND HAS WRITTEN HIM A LETTER SAYING THAT THEY WOULD APPROVE AN INGRESS THROUGH THE THROUGH THE ISLAND THAT THEY'VE BUILT, BUT HE WOULD MAYBE HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT HIMSELF. SO WE'RE GOING TO FIRST ADDRESS MAYBE YOU CAN HELP THEM WITH WITH THE PAYMENT, OR MAYBE HELP HIM FIGURE OUT A WAY TO HELP ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE WHO THAT ISLAND HAS BLOCKED. AND SO WITH THAT, THAT'S I'M AN ADVOCATE FOR MY FRIEND. I KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM. AND I'M ONLY HERE TO WRITE.

PITCH HIS CONCERNS. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, MR. SMITH. YEAH, WE WE, WE ALL RECEIVED THAT LETTER IN EMAIL TODAY WHERE IT TALKED ABOUT THE, THE DRIVEWAY PERMIT THAT THEY WOULD ALLOW HIM TO REQUEST. AND HE ALSO HAS BEEN TO THE TPO MEETING WITH US. AND I KNOW THAT THIS IS HE'S ADVOCATING HERE AT THE CITY LEVEL JUST SO THAT WE'RE WE'RE.

BUT OUR BUSINESS IS THAT IT'S FUNNY. TONIGHT'S THEME HAS BEEN ABOUT SMALL BUSINESSES, RIGHT.

AND HERE'S A BUSINESS THAT'S BEEN IN THE LOCATION 20 YEARS. AND I KNOW SOME OF THESE DECISIONS WERE MADE PRIOR TO THIS COUNCIL, BUT THIS HAS REALLY, TRULY IMPACTED. AND SO WHATEVER, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WHAT WE CAN DO, BUT I JUST AWARENESS IS IMPORTANT AND WE JUST NEED TO SEE HOW WE CAN ADVOCATE AND HELP OUT. SO. YES. RIGHT. OKAY. GO AHEAD, MISS HANLEY, BEFORE WE GO PUT IN HERE, WE HAVE MONEY. LET'S LOOK AT THE TPO, THE SPACE COAST TPO WHAT THEY CAN DO. SINCE YOU'VE GOT THAT IN THERE, I CAN HELP YOU. I'M ON THE TPO. I'LL GO AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO WITH IF YOU HAVE THE LETTER. I DON'T I DIDN'T SEE MY EMAILS THIS AFTERNOON, SO I'M SORRY, BUT MAYBE WE COULD TALK TO GEORGIANNE, WHO'S THE HEAD OF THE SPACE COAST TPO, AND SEE WHAT FUNDS WE HAVE AVAILABLE THERE TO WORK WITH IT BECAUSE IT'S I DON'T I HAVEN'T SEEN IT AND IT'S A STATE ROAD OR A FEDERAL ROAD. SO IT'S A FALLS

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SO WE CAN SAY, OH YEAH, WE WILL GIVE YOU THE WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY. BUT I AGREE, BUT MAYBE WITH OTHER GRANTS AND DIFFERENT THINGS WE COULD HELP YOU THAT WAY. I'M NOT PROMISING ANYTHING, BUT WE COULD MAKE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT. IS THAT A GOOD WAY OF HANDLING THAT? YEAH. OKAY.

YES. MY OFFICE WAS JUST REACHED OUT OR WAS REACHED OUT TO TODAY ABOUT SCHEDULING A MEETING. AND SO I KNOW THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING SET UP, I THINK FOR NEXT TUESDAY, IF MY MEMORY SERVES ME CORRECT. AND SO I HAD WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THE DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, THE CITY ENGINEER, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR SIT DOWN SO WE CAN SORT OF BRAINSTORM AND SEE WHAT'S GOING ON. I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS LETTER UNTIL TODAY. AND SO THIS WAS NEWS TO ME, AND THAT'S WHY I'VE SENT SEVERAL EMAILS TO COUNCIL ABOUT IT. BUT I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN A TOPIC THAT YOU THAT AS A WHOLE HAVE BEEN INTERESTED IN, WHICH IS WHY I FORWARDED THE THE NEW DEVELOPMENT. AT LEAST IT WAS NEW TO ME. IT'S IT IT'S LESS THAN A WEEK OLD, SO NOT TOO OLD.

THANK YOU. BUT TO GET TO EVEN GET SOMETHING THAT TYPE OF LETTER FROM THE DOT THAT'S GOOD NEWS FOR YOU. RIGHT. OKAY. WELL THANK YOU. AND THEN LIKE I SAID, WE'LL THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SHANNON BLAIR, FOLLOWED BY CHRIS CHAMPION. CHAMPION. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS SHANNON BLAIR AND MY ADDRESS IS ON FILE. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. I JUST WANT TO SAY I'VE TRAVELED A LOT TO GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS, LUG MEETINGS, CITY COUNCIL COMMISSION MEETINGS ALL OVER THE STATE, AND YOU ARE ALL SO THOUGHTFUL AND YOU ACTUALLY, LIKE, SPEAK BACK TO PEOPLE, WHICH I DON'T TYPICALLY SEE. SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. I'M SO SHORT. THIS IS OKAY. SO I WAS AT THE LAST MEETING AND I SPOKE ABOUT THE ARBOR DAY PROCLAMATION, AND I TRULY APPRECIATED THE CITY RECOGNIZING THAT. I'D LIKE TO BUILD ON THAT TODAY WITH THE PROCLAMATION FOR NATIONAL DRINKING WATER WEEK. SO AS YOU KNOW, DRINKING WATER WEEK IS MEANT TO HIGHLIGHT THE IMPORTANCE OF SAFE, RELIABLE WATER AND TO RECOGNIZE THE PROFESSIONALS WHO MAKE THAT POSSIBLE EVERY DAY. AND, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, THE PEOPLE WORKING BEHIND THE SCENES, OPERATING THE TREATMENT PLANTS, MAINTAINING INFRASTRUCTURE, ENSURING WATER IS SAFE 24 OVER SEVEN ARE DOING INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT WORK. CLEAN WATER IS ESSENTIAL TO HUMAN HEALTH, TO PUBLIC SAFETY, TO OUR ENVIRONMENT AND THE ANIMALS AND ECOSYSTEMS THAT DEPEND ON IT. BUT I ALSO WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR RECOGNITION ALONE IS NOT PROTECTION BECAUSE CLEAN WATER DOESN'T EXIST IN IN ISOLATION, JUST LIKE THE TREES WE SPOKE ABOUT AT THE LAST MEETING. THE WATER IS ALSO PART OF A SYSTEM, AND EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS IN THAT SYSTEM EVENTUALLY SHOWS UP IN OUR WATER. WHAT FLOWS THROUGH OUR STREETS, WHAT ENTERS OUR STORM DRAINS, WHAT RUNS OFF FROM OUR PROPERTIES, ALL THAT MAKES ITS WAY INTO OUR WATERWAYS AND ULTIMATELY INTO THE SYSTEMS THAT SUSTAIN ALL LIFE. SO WHILE DRINKING WATER WEEK FOCUSES ON TREATMENT AND DELIVERY, WHICH OF COURSE MATTERS VERY MUCH, WE ALSO HAVE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS BEFORE THE WATER EVER REACHES THOSE SYSTEMS. WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING UPSTREAM, BECAUSE ONE OF THE LARGEST CONTRIBUTORS TO WATER USE AND WATER POLLUTION IS SOMETHING THAT IS OFTEN LEFT OUT OF THE CONVERSATION. AND I BET YOU KNOW WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY NEXT. OUR FOOD SYSTEM. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT WATER USE MORE CLOSELY, THE NUMBERS ARE QUITE SIGNIFICANT. IT CAN TAKE ROUGHLY 1800 TO 2500 GALLONS OF WATER TO PRODUCE A SINGLE POUND OF BEEF, AROUND 600 TO 1000 GALLONS FOR JUST ONE GALLON OF MILK, CLOSE TO A THOUSAND GALLONS OF WATER FOR A SINGLE POUND OF CHEESE, AND SOMETHING AS SMALL AS AN EGG. A CHICKEN'S EGG CAN TAKE UP TO AROUND 50 GALLONS OF WATER TO PRODUCE, AND THESE ARE NOT SMALL IMPACTS. THEY'RE LARGE SCALE, ONGOING PRESSURES ON OUR WATER SYSTEM WHEN MULTIPLIED ACROSS ENTIRE POPULATIONS AND DAILY CONSUMPTION, THE EFFECT BECOMES QUITE SUBSTANTIAL. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PROTECTING DRINKING WATER, WE ALSO HAVE TO TALK ABOUT HOW MUCH OF IT WE'RE USING AND WHAT WE'RE USING IT FOR, BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE'RE INVESTING IN TREATMENT WHILE ALLOWING THE SOURCES OF STRAIN AND CONTAMINATION TO CONTINUE. AND THAT BRINGS ME BACK TO SOMETHING THAT I RAISED A COUPLE OF TIMES HERE. NOW, I'D LIKE TO ONCE AGAIN ASK THE CITY TO CONSIDER ENDORSING THE PLANT BASED TREATY. YOU CANNOT MEANINGFULLY PROTECT THE WATER, PROTECT THE LAND. CAN I GO TO OKAY AND PROTECT THE ECOSYSTEMS WHILE IGNORING ONE OF THE LARGEST CONTRIBUTORS TO THEIR DEGRADATION? AND IT'S NOT ABOUT CRITICISM. IT'S ABOUT ALIGNMENT. IT'S ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT WE RECOGNIZE AND CELEBRATE. WHAT WE DO IS REFLECTED IN WHAT WE'RE WILLING TO EXPLORE AND ADDRESS. SO I WANT TO OFFER SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE. I'M INVOLVED IN PLANT BASED OUTREACH AND EDUCATION, INCLUDING FOOD DEMONSTRATIONS AND COMMUNITY EVENTS FOCUSED ON

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AND SO I'M HOPING, LIKE, I SAW ALL THE WILLINGNESS HERE THAT YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO WORK WITH ME AS WELL AND GIVE IT A TRY SO I CAN LEAVE MY INFORMATION. BUT SHANNON BLAIR AND I WOULD LOVE TO HELP OUT WITH THAT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. CHRIS CAMPION.

THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. MY NAME IS CHRIS CAMPIONE. YOU HAVE MY ADDRESS BEACHSIDE, WHICH IN AND OF ITSELF IS A LITTLE NUTTY. I THINK THAT PUTS ME IN DISTRICT TWO. YEAH. YEP.

I'VE OWNED THAT PROPERTY SINCE IT CAME UP OUT OF THE GROUND IN 91. I'VE SEEN THE TAXES GO FROM AROUND THREE AND CHANGE. I'M OVER $9,700 OVER THAT. I'M A SENIOR CITIZEN. I'M NOT ASKING FOR THE WORLD, BUT I'M BEING TAXED ON UNREALIZED GAINS. I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY. BUT I LOOKED UP WHATEVER I COULD FIND. THAT'S NOT EXACTLY LEGAL. THIS COUNTRY WAS BUILT ON ON LESS FOR THAT KIND OF TAX ABUSE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU COULD DO. I'M NOT POINTING THE CITY OF MELBOURNE OUT AS, OH, YOU GUYS ARE FULL OF A SWEET LORD JESUS. IT'S SYSTEMIC. EVERYBODY DOES IT. IT'S GOT TO STOP WHEN I MEAN, I KNOW YOU SEND A GUY OUT, HE SAYS, WELL, THIS IS WHAT IT'S WORTH. THAT'S ONE GUY AND ONE COMPANY. COME ON, GIVE ME A BREAK. OVER $9,000. THAT'S OVER A 100% INCREASE IN THE LAST TEN YEARS ALONE. I MEAN, I DON'T GET I MEAN, HAS YOUR EXPENSES HAVE YOU ACCRUED TAXES MORE THAN 100%? I MEAN, REALLY IT'S IT'S MADDENING. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CAN DO, BUT IT'S SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE. I CAN'T FOR THE LIFE OF ME UNDERSTAND HOW THAT'S LEGAL NUMBER ONE NUMBER. AND THE OTHER THING ABOUT THE SEAL, THAT'S SOMETHING MINUTE. ALL I WANTED TO DO WAS A CLARIFICATION ON WHAT THAT IS.

BUT I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT WHAT CAN BE DONE. I MEAN, WHAT WERE THE EXPENSES GOING TO JUSTIFY THAT? YEAH. GO AHEAD SIR. GOOD EVENING. THANKS FOR COMING TONIGHT. IT'S OKAY. THE EXPENSES. WE ARE A $400 MILLION CORPORATION IN TERMS OF BUSINESS EXPENSES. THAT'S WE'RE GOING TO BE RUNNING IN THE RED THIS YEAR BASED ON THOSE BASED ON WHAT WE BRING IN. WE JUST HAD A MEETING ABOUT THIS AND A SHADE MEETING. IT'S CALLED WE DO OUR BEST UP HERE IS TO KEEP COSTS DOWN. BUT TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE 100% INCREASE, I COULD TELL YOU THAT OUR UTILITIES DIRECTOR WAS PROPOSED. SHE PROPOSED A AN INCREASE IN THE WATER PLANT BECAUSE EPA TELLS THE STATE. AND THE STATE TELLS US WHAT WE HAVE TO DO WITH WATER. AND SO THAT THAT WENT FROM $10 MILLION TO OVER 24, $25 MILLION. SO I'M JUST GIVING YOU AN EXAMPLE.

THAT'S ALL JUST AN EXAMPLE THAT THAT WE FIGHT THIS, WE FIGHT THIS BATTLE EACH AND EVERY DAY, SIR. EACH AND EVERY DAY WE FIGHT THIS BATTLE. WE ARE PROBABLY THE MOST CONSERVATIVE COUNCIL THAT'S EVER SAT. ONCE AGAIN, I'M NOT PICKING YOU KNOW, I KNOW YOU'RE NOT. I KNOW YOU'RE NOT JUST TRYING TO LAY IT OUT FOR YOU. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LIKE THE RED HEADED STEPCHILD OUT THERE. I MEAN, NO DISRESPECT. THESE GUYS SHOW UP WHEN THE CRAZIEST ARE OUT THERE, BUT ASIDE FROM CUTTING THE INSIDE, FROM PICKING UP GARBAGE AND THESE GUYS, WHAT AM I PAYING? WHAT AM I PAYING OVER $9,000 FOR? OKAY, A QUICK QUESTION, SIR. I AND I'M LOOKING AT YOU. YOU DON'T YOU DON'T HAVE ANY EXEMPTIONS. I CAN'T HEAR YOU. YOU DON'T HAVE ANY EXEMPTIONS? EXEMPTIONS. YOU CAN GIVE ME ONE. I TAKE WHATEVER YOU CAN GIVE ME. WELL, NO, THE REASON I'M SAYING IS, IS IS THAT YOUR PRIMARY HOME? YEAH. OKAY. BECAUSE I'M LOOKING.

YOU HAVE NO EXEMPTIONS. HOMESTEAD, YOU KNOW, HOMESTEAD EXEMPTIONS AT ALL. WHAT EXEMPTION? EXEMPT FROM WHAT? YEAH. SO SINCE IT IS YOUR PRIMARY HOME, I LIVE THERE, I

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YOU APPLY FOR A HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION. NOW, DEPENDING WITH THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, YOU MAY QUALIFY FOR ADDITIONAL EXEMPTIONS. THIS COUNCIL JUST PASSED ONE A WHILE BACK FOR ANY SENIOR LOW INCOME SENIOR. ADDITIONAL $10,000 VETERANS AND VETERANS, ETC. SO I, I WOULD DEFINITELY I'M LOOKING AT IT AND I AGREE WITH YOU, BUT YOU DO NOT. I'M SURE IF YOU WENT DOWN AND DID THAT, YOU'D SAVE YOURSELF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ANNUALLY. I TAKE WHATEVER I CAN GET. OKAY. BUT YEAH, I'M LOOKING AT THAT. I'M WITH YOU AND I'M LOOKING AT BEEN CONSISTENT EVERY YEAR. YOU'VE NEVER, NEVER APPLIED. AND ONCE YOU APPLY, YOU'RE THERE. YOU HAVE IT. I MEAN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO APPLY EVERY YEAR. SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE, WHAT I'LL DO IS I GOT YOUR INFORMATION. I'LL REACH OUT TO YOU AND I HELP YOU. I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH AND HELP YOU FILE. MAKE SURE YOU GET EVERY BIT OF EXEMPTION. APPRECIATE THAT. I REALLY, I REALLY, REALLY DO. BUT NO, I'M GLAD YOU CAME. BUT YEAH. AND YOU KNOW, IT'S FUNNY, I SPOKE TO A GENTLEMAN ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO WHO WAS IN THE SAME BOAT, AND HE ASKED ME WHY HIS TAXES WERE SO HIGH. AND I ASKED HIM ABOUT AND HE DIDN'T HAVE THE EXEMPTION. AND, AND HE HAD SAID THAT HE WENT DOWN AND IT CUT HIS TAXES IN HALF. OH, HE APPLIED, YOU CAN SAY THAT. YOU CAN SAY THAT AGAIN. THAT'S FINE. BUT BUT NO, I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW I HAVE YOUR NUMBER. I WILL REACH OUT TO YOU TOMORROW AND I WILL HELP YOU WALK YOU THROUGH AND GET YOU GET THAT FILE FOR YOU AND REDUCE YOUR TAXES. BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR TAX BILL, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS. THERE'S SCHOOL MOSQUITO CONTROL, BREVARD COUNTY, WE DON'T WANT TO GIVE BREVARD COUNTY EXTRA MONEY. WE KNOW THAT. I KNOW IT'S NOT JUST YOU. IT'S JUST IT'S JUST NUTS. ON THE OTHER SIMPLE, IT'S LIKE THE CEO THING. WHAT, WHAT WHAT CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE WITH THAT? THERE'S, THERE'S A THING YOU'RE HAVING A NEW DIVISION FOR CO A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. NO, NO DIVISION. IT'S ON THE NO NO DIVISION. IT'S NO IT'S THE NEXT ITEM. YEAH. THE NEXT ITEM. IF YOU WANT TO WAIT, WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH. YOU CAN EVEN SPEAK NOT TO BE. I'M JUST CONFUSED. THE CO IS A CO I MEAN BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND I WILL REACH OUT TO YOU TOMORROW AND I'LL HELP YOU APPLY FOR THAT. AND WE'LL GET YOUR GET YOUR TAXES LOWERED. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. EXCELLENT. OUTSTANDING. GET THAT INFORMATION. ANY OTHER PUBLIC SPEAKERS. ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO REDUCE THEIR TAXES? ALL RIGHT. LOOK AT ALL THE HANDS RAISED. OKAY. EXCELLENT. SO SO WE'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA MOVE. I'M SORRY. WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO, OH, BEFORE BEFORE I MOVE FORWARD, WE'RE ALSO GOING TO MOVE AN ITEM ITEM NUMBER 14 DISCUSSION OF THE CITY ENHANCED CODE ENFORCEMENT PROCESS. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THAT FOR ONE MONTH. AND AND MISS LAMB WILL GET BACK AND PUT IT ON THE AGENDA. PERHAPS IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE 72 DISCUSSION ON THE NEXT MEETING, MAYBE WE CAN SLIDE THE CODE ENFORCEMENT IN THAT PLACE, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH ME. I WAS TRYING TO AVOID HAVING BOTH OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS IN THE SAME NIGHT, SO. OKAY, OKAY. THAT'LL WORK. OKAY, SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON

[8. Ordinance No. 2026-18, Certificate of Occupancy Process: (Second Reading/Public Hearing) An ordinance amending City Code Appendix D, Chapter 13 (Buildings and Building Regulations), Article II, by creating a new Division 7 related to certificate of occupancy and certificate of engineering construction completeness process. (Applicant - City of Melbourne) (P&Z Board - 3/19/2026) (First Reading - 4/14/2026)]

AMENDING CHAPTER 13 BUILDINGS AND BUILDING REGULATIONS. AMENDING ARTICLE TWO BUILDING CREATING A NEW DIVISION SEVEN CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. CREATING A NEW SECTION 13.69 ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. CREATING A NEW SECTION 13.70 CERTIFICATE OF ENGINEERING CONSTRUCTION COMPLETION PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND INTERPRETATION, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND PROVIDING AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE. THANK YOU SIR. REPORTING ON THIS, MISS DITTMER. YES. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. NORMALLY I JUST SAY NOTHING FURTHER TO ADD ON SECOND READING, BUT IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO GIVE A QUICK SYNOPSIS, PLEASE DO. PLEASE, GENTLEMEN. SO THIS ORDINANCE IS AMENDING CITY CODE TO ADD IN LANGUAGE REGARDING A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR A BUILDING, AS WELL AS NEW LANGUAGE FOR A CERTIFICATE OF ENGINEERING, COMPLETE CONSTRUCTION COMPLETENESS. ESSENTIALLY, IT'S CODIFYING THE PROCESS THAT WE'VE USED HERE AT THE CITY FOR THE OVER 30 YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN HERE. IT'S REQUIRING THAT PRIOR TO THE BUILDING OFFICIAL ACTUALLY BEING ABLE TO ISSUE A CERTIFICATE, CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, THAT A CERTIFICATE OF ENGINEERING CONSTRUCTION

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[9. Utilization of the Horizontal Directional Drill Services contract for additional utility conflict deflections for the Sarno Road Emergency Force Main Replacement, Project No. 32726, Concurrent Utility Services LLC, Rockledge, FL - $152,344.67.]

IT IS THAT'S WHAT. YEAH. SEE, 900 IS WHAT WE PUT IN. OR WE DID THE DIRECTIONAL DRILL WHERE WE COULD. BUT THE FITTINGS ARE STILL IRON. THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE FOR. THERE'S NO SUBSTITUTE FOR IRON AGAINST IRON. YEAH. NO. OKAY. WELL ANYWAY YOU YOU DO A GREAT JOB ON KEEPING US UP TO DATE ON ALL OF THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT RUN UNDERNEATH OUR FEET. AND SO YEAH, I'LL I'M GOING TO APPROVE THIS. I JUST WANT TO IRON. IT JUST STRUCK OUT AT ME WHEN I WAS READING THE AGENDA ITEM. AND I JUST, I THOUGHT WE WERE ALMOST PAST ALL THAT. I REMEMBER THE TERRACOTTA ONES TOO, YOU KNOW? SO THAT'S WHAT I GOT. MAYOR. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR THIS MAYOR. GO AHEAD. APPROVAL OF UTILIZATION OF THE HORIZONTAL DIRECTIONAL DRILL SERVICES CONTRACT FOR ADDITIONAL UTILITY CONFLICT.

APPLICATIONS OF SARNO ROAD EMERGENCY FORCE MAIN REPLACEMENT PROJECT NUMBER 32726, CONCURRENT UTILITY SERVICES, LLC, ROCKLEDGE, FLORIDA IN THE AMOUNT OF

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[10. CONSENT AGENDA:]

HEAVY DUTY TRUCK. OKAY. MAKE THAT MOTION. MAKE THAT MOTION. I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. ITEM NUMBER 11. NOTHING WAS

[12. Ordinance No. 2026-19, Creative Playground: (First Reading/Public Hearing) An ordinance granting a conditional use to allow the sale and consumption of alcoholic beverages (beer and wine) on premises as an accessory use to an interactive arts and crafts business in a 1,654±- square foot unit within a 3-unit building located on 0.20±-acre developed acres, zoned C-3 (Central Business District), located on the west side of Highland Avenue, south of Eau Gallie Boulevard and north of Montreal Avenue (1416 Highland Avenue). (Owner - Gorezik LLC, Derek Gores) (Applicant/Representative - Joshua Lehman) (P & Z Board - 4/2/2026)]

AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 2023-30. AMENDING THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP AS IT RELATES TO GENERAL ZONING ORDINANCE NUMBER 2020 22,000 AND 5-120. BY GRANTING A CONDITIONAL USE TO ALLOW FOR THE SALE AND SERVICE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES, BEER AND WINE FOR CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES AS AN ACCESSORY, USE TO AN ART BOUTIQUE AND AN ART LAB IN A 1654 PLUS OR MINUS SQUARE FOOT UNIT WITHIN A THREE UNIT BUILDING LOCATED ON A 0.20 PLUS OR MINUS DEVELOPED ACRES.

ZONE C THREE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT, LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF HIGHLAND AVENUE, SOUTH OF EAU GALLIE BOULEVARD AND NORTH OF MONTREAL BOULEVARD. 1416 HIGHLAND AVENUE, PROVIDING FOR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, PROVIDING THAT THE CONDITIONAL USE GRANTED HEREIN MAY BE REVOKED BY CITY COUNCIL IF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL ARE NOT MET, PROVIDING THAT THE PROPERTY SHALL BE DESIGNATED ON THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP BY THE SYMBOL C-C3, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND PROVIDING AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE. OKAY. THANK YOU. REPORT ON THIS WITH MISS DITTMER. YES. THIS IS THE FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE GRANTING A CONDITIONAL USE TO ALLOW THE SALE AND CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES, SPECIFICALLY BEER AND WINE. ON PREMISE, THIS IS AN ACCESSORY USE TO AN EXISTING ART BOUTIQUE AND ART LAB THAT'S LOCATED IN A THREE UNIT BUILDING ON A TWO ACRE PARK PROPERTY THAT'S CURRENTLY ZONED C THREE. IT'S LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF HIGHLAND AVENUE, SOUTH OF EAU GALLIE BOULEVARD AND NORTH OF MONTREAL BOULEVARD. THE PROPERTY IS DESIGNATED AS A MIXED USE. FUTURE LAND USE IS LOCATED IN COUNCIL DISTRICT THREE, THE EAU GALLIE CRA DISTRICT, THE EAU GALLIE ACTIVITY CENTER, AND THE CENTRAL BUSINESS OVERLAY ZONE. THE REQUEST IS LOCATED IN A 1654 SQUARE FOOT UNIT. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO SERVE BEER AND WINE WITH THE EXISTING ART BOUTIQUE AND ART LAB THAT'S THERE TODAY. THEY WILL OFFER OR THEY. THEY CURRENTLY OFFER A MENU OF DIFFERENT ART MATERIALS, IMAGINATIVE PROMPTS AND INTERACTIVE EXPERIENCES FOR THE ART BOUTIQUE AND LAB. THEY ALSO WILL SUPPORT LOCAL ARTISTS THROUGH RETAIL OFFERINGS, WORKSHOPS AND DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES. THE BUSINESS WILL BE OPENED ON TUESDAY THROUGH FRIDAY UNTIL 6 P.M. AND FRIDAY. THEY'LL HAVE LATER EVENING HOURS WHEN THEY'LL HAVE ADULT WORKSHOPS, HENCE THE REASON THEY'RE ASKING FOR THE BEER AND WINE PERMISSION. THE FLOOR PLAN THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE PACKAGE SHOWS TWO RETAIL AREAS AND FOUR ART STATIONS, ALONG WITH A CHECKOUT COUNTER, AND THEY'LL HAVE AN OCCUPANCY ALLOWANCE OF 66 PERSONS WITHIN THE BUILDING.

IN THE SURROUNDING AREA IS A MIXTURE RETAIL OFFICE, RESTAURANT AND RESIDENTIAL USES.

THE CLOSEST SINGLE FAMILY IS APPROXIMATELY 400FT AWAY, AS WE DO WITH ALL OF OUR CONDITIONAL USE REQUESTS FOR ALCOHOL CONSUMPTION, THERE ARE A HANDFUL OF CONDITIONS. THE TYPICAL CONDITIONS THAT WE PUT ON THAT, MAINLY THAT THEY HAVE TO ADHERE TO OUR CHAPTER SIX ALCOHOL REQUIREMENTS. THE CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOL HAS TO BE IN THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING. THE DIFFERENT OCCUPANCY AND NOISE REQUIREMENTS THAT THAT WE PUT ON THESE TYPES OF REQUESTS. SO WITH THAT, THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD DID VOTE UNANIMOUSLY TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST, AND STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 2026-19 BASED UPON THE FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS CONTAINED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEMORANDUM. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS DITTMAR? NO. ALL RIGHT.

THIS IS A QUASI JUDICIAL ITEM. THIS IS QUASI JUDICIAL ITEM A DISCLOSURES. NO. I NOTE NO DISCLOSURES. THE PUBLIC HEARING. WE HAVE A SIGN UP SHEET. BUT THAT'S JUST FOR THE APPLICANT.

ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. OKAY. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL. MAYOR. GO AHEAD. SIR. COUNCILMAN NEWMAN, THIS IS YOUR DISTRICT. SO WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO? I'M JOKING. YOU SAID THREE INSTEAD OF TWO. I'M LIKE. I'M LOOKING AT TWO RIGHT HERE. WE HAVE PAINTING WITH A TWIST. OH, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL. ORDINANCE NUMBER 2026-19. BASED UPON FINDINGS, CONDITIONS CONTAINED WITHIN THE PLANNING AND ZONING

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[13. Ordinance No. 2026-20, Olde Eau Gallie Riverfront CRA Plan Amendment: (First Reading/Public Hearing) An ordinance amending Chapter 20, Article VI, Olde Eau Gallie Riverfront Community Redevelopment Agency to amend the Olde Eau Gallie Riverfront Community Redevelopment Agency (CRA) Redevelopment Plan to update the duration of the Agency consistent with the Revised and Restated Interlocal Agreement with Brevard County and Brevard County Resolution No. 2026-031. (P & Z Board - 4/2/26)]

REPORT ON THIS IS MISS DITTMAR. YES, THIS IS THE FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE EAU GALLIE RIVERFRONT COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT PLAN, ALONG WITH CHAPTER 20 OF OUR CITY CODE, ARTICLE SIX TO UPDATE LANGUAGE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE RECENT REVISED AND RESTATED INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF MELBOURNE AND BREVARD COUNTY AND THEN THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT AFTER THAT. THE COUNTY JUST RECENTLY ADOPTED A RESOLUTION NUMBER 2026-031, PROVIDING US THE AUTHORITY TO AMEND OUR REDEVELOPMENT PLAN AND AMEND OUR SUNSET DATE. SO THIS IS ALL RELATED TO OUR P THREE EAU GALLIE PARKING GARAGE PROJECT.

SO THESE ARE JUST ONE OF THE STEPS IN THE MIDDLE HERE THAT WE'RE TAKING. ESSENTIALLY THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT, AS COUNCIL RECALLS, ALLOWED US TO CHANGE THE TERMINATION DATE OF THE EAU GALLIE CRA, ALONG WITH UPDATING THE COSTS, BOTH THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS THAT ARE PROPOSED FOR THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE GARAGE, AS WELL AS THE FUNDING SOURCES FOR THE THE GARAGE AND HOW THE CRA WILL BE PAYING FOR THAT. SO THOSE HAVE BEEN AMENDED, OUR INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS APPROVED, AND NOW WE'RE JUST COMING BACK AMENDING THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN TO REFLECT THOSE CHANGES. SO NOTHING REALLY NEW BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING, THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE DID REVIEW THE PROPOSED PLAN AMENDMENT AND VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF IT TO THE CRA. AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD DID REVIEW THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN AMENDMENT IN A FINDING OF CONSISTENCY WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND ALSO RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF IT. SO WITH THAT, STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL ORDINANCE NUMBER 2026-20. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. MAYOR? ALL RIGHT. THE PUBLIC HEARING NO SIGN UP SHEETS CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING. BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL, MAYOR. GOOD. SIR, BEFORE I MOVE FOR APPROVAL, I WANT TO THANK EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU AND ALL OF THE STAFF FOR THIS HARD, HARD WORK THAT IS COMING TO FRUITION AND COULDN'T HAVE BEEN DONE WITHOUT ALL OF US. AND SO THANK YOU, THANK YOU. AND I KNOW THE CITIZENS OF O'GALLEY ARE INCREDIBLY GRATEFUL AS WELL TOO. SO WITH THAT SAID, I'M GOING TO MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 2026-20 SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION. AND SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY

[15. Discussion on Volunteer Boards.]

I'VE PROVIDED A COMPLETE BOARD ROSTER IN THE AGENDA PACKAGE, WHICH INCLUDES A LIST OF THE ROSTER OF ALL THE CURRENT BOARD MEMBERS AT THE TIME OF THE AGENDA PACKAGE BEING PUBLISHED, THE TERMS THE STAFF ASSIGNED TO THOSE BOARDS AND THE ROSTER ALSO INCLUDES A DESCRIPTION PAGE FOR EACH BOARD, WHICH DISCUSSES THE BOARD'S HISTORY, ITS ADOPTION VIA ORDINANCE, THEIR MEETING DATES, QUALIFICATIONS FOR MEMBERSHIP, AND SO ON. AND SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS JUST GO THROUGH SOME OF THE TOPICS IN REVIEWING THE MINUTES OF, OF THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS, I IDENTIFIED FOUR SPECIFIC TOPICS THAT WERE DISCUSSED ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS.

AND WITH THE HELP OF THE CITY ATTORNEY, WE HOPE TO GET SOME DIRECTION FROM YOU MOVING FORWARD ON EACH ONE OF THOSE TOPICS. SO THE FIRST IS CODE OF CONDUCT FOR VOLUNTEER BOARD MEMBERS. COUNCIL MEMBER DAVID NEWMAN EXPRESSED A DESIRE TO DEVELOP A CODE OF CONDUCT FOR OUR VOLUNTEER ADVISORY BOARD MEMBERS. WE DON'T HAVE SUCH A CODE OF CONDUCT RIGHT NOW, ALTHOUGH I WILL TELL YOU THAT DURING ORIENTATION, EACH NEWLY APPOINTED BOARD MEMBER IS SUPPLIED WITH A COPY OF THE CITY'S CODE OF ETHICS FROM THE CHARTER, AND WE'RE ALSO DISCUSSING A NUMBER OF OTHER ETHICAL CONSIDERATIONS THAT NEW BOARD MEMBERS HAVE TO BE AWARE

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A PUBLIC HEARING PROVIDING THE BOARD MEMBER AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD AND THEN ADOPTING A RESOLUTION WITH A FINDING OF BACKING YOUR REMOVAL OR SUSPENSION OF THAT, THAT MEMBER.

AND IN SOME, THAT PROCESS IS PRETTY DEFINED AND HARD TO TO GET AROUND. AND THE REFERENCE STATUTES HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN THE AGENDA PACKAGE. AND OVER THE COURSE OF YOUR DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC, YOU'VE EXPRESSED A DESIRE TO EXPLORE A POTENTIAL CHARTER AMENDMENT TO PROVIDE YOU WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY IN REMOVING OR EVEN APPOINTING THESE ADVISORY BOARD MEMBERS. AND SO AT THE DECEMBER 9TH MEETING, COUNCIL EXPRESSED CONSENSUS FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY TO PROVIDE OPTIONS ON THAT CHARTER AMENDMENT AND FURTHER DISCUSSION. AT THE JANUARY 27TH MEETING, COUNCIL DISCUSSED A POTENTIAL CHARTER AMENDMENT AND LANGUAGE THAT WOULD COME BEFORE YOU AND AND THAT SORT OF BEEN MOVED ALONG DOWN THE ROAD BECAUSE OF ADDITIONAL DISCUSSIONS THAT I'LL GET INTO WHEN IT COMES TO THE MERGING AND CONSOLIDATION OF BOARDS. SO THE THIRD ITEM I IDENTIFIED WAS ATTENDANCE STANDARDS. AND DURING YOUR DECEMBER 9TH MEETING, THERE WAS CONSENSUS FOR STAFF TO PROVIDE YOU WITH AN ATTENDANCE RECORD FOR ALL OF THE VOLUNTEER BOARD MEMBERS FOR THE CALENDAR YEAR 2025. A MEMO FROM MY OFFICE WAS PROVIDED TO YOUR JANUARY 27TH MEETING. AND SINCE THAT TIME, EVERY TIME A BOARD APPOINTMENT ITEM COMES BEFORE YOU, WE SUPPLY YOU WITH AN ATTENDANCE REPORT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. AND THERE ARE CURRENT ATTENDANCE STANDARDS OUTLINED IN CITY CODE, SECTION 2-143. AND THOSE HAVE BEEN INCLUDED AS WELL. AND THE LAST TOPIC WAS THE FUNCTIONS AND DUTIES OF NON QUASI JUDICIAL BOARDS, ALONG WITH THE MERGING AND CONSOLIDATION OF OTHER BOARDS. AND SO AGAIN, AT THE FEBRUARY 10TH REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING, COUNCIL MEMBER NEWMAN REQUESTED THAT CITY STAFF REVIEW THE FUNCTIONS AND DUTIES OF THE CITY'S NON QUASI JUDICIAL BOARDS AND PROVIDE FURTHER INFORMATION BACK TO COUNCIL ABOUT THE CONSOLIDATION OF THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND TO ANOTHER BOARD AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD WAS IDENTIFIED. AT YOUR MARCH MEETING. THE CITY ATTORNEY PROVIDED INFORMATION TO YOU, NOTING THAT THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD ARE BOTH CALLED OUT IN THE CITY CHARTER, AND THAT AN AMENDMENT TO THE CITY CHARTER WOULD BE NECESSARY TO EFFECTUATE SUCH A CHANGE. SO WE'VE KIND OF GOT TWO POTENTIAL CHARTER AMENDMENTS IN THE CITY ATTORNEY'S MEMO. IN THE AGENDA PACKAGE OUTLINES BOTH OF THOSE, AND HE'S AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THOSE SPECIFIC ITEMS. AND SO WHAT I'VE PREPARED FOR YOU IS JUST SORT OF QUESTIONS THAT I EITHER SORT OF AM LOOKING FOR YOUR DIRECTION ON OR THAT YOU'VE ASKED IN THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEETINGS ABOUT THESE PARTICULAR TOPICS. SO WITH REGARD TO CODE OF CONDUCT, IS COUNCIL STILL INTERESTED IN DEVELOPING THAT SORT OF IDEA, ADOPTING AND ENFORCING A CODE OF CONDUCT WITH REGARD TO THE APPOINTMENT, SUSPENSION OR REMOVAL? WE'RE LOOKING FOR YOUR DIRECTION ON THAT PROPOSED CHARTER AMENDMENT TO PROVIDE FOR ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITY OR FLEXIBILITY FOR YOU TO ADDRESS VOLUNTEER BOARD MEMBERS WITH REGARD TO ATTENDANCE STANDARDS. ARE THE CURRENT STANDARDS SET FORTH IN CITY CODE SUFFICIENT AS FAR AS COUNCIL IS CONCERNED, AND DOES CITY COUNCIL PROPOSE ANY ADDITIONAL OR ANY REVISED STANDARDS? AND THEN, WITH THE LAST TOPIC, THE CITY COUNCIL WISHED TO AMEND OR REVISE THE DUTIES OF ANY NON QUASI JUDICIAL BOARDS AND AGAIN, COUNCIL DIRECTION ON THE PROPOSED CHARTER AMENDMENT TO EFFECTUATE THE MERGING OF THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD. AND SO AGAIN, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'D LIKE TO PROCEED. WE CAN TALK ABOUT ONE OR ALL, WHICH WE CAN GO FIRST TO LAST TO GO DOWN THE LIST. AND I'M HAPPY TO DEFER TO THE CITY ATTORNEY WITH WITH ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING ANY CITY CHARTER AMENDMENTS. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE LAST THE LAST SLIDE, JUST SO IF WE'RE GOING TO GO ONE BY, THIS WOULD BE THE ORDER IN WHICH WE IDENTIFIED THE TOPICS. BUT. OKAY, SO YOU WANT TO PASS NUMBER ONE PRETTY QUICK.

SO CODE OF CONDUCT. I KNOW THAT I BROUGHT THAT UP BEFORE, I THINK THE, THE PART THAT'S OBVIOUSLY VERY CLEAR THAT KEVIN IS TALKING ABOUT IT WOULD BE ADOPTING AND ENFORCING ONE, AS WE LEARNED AFTER THAT, THERE'S REALLY NO ENFORCEMENT MECHANISMS AT ALL. SO AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME, I DON'T UNLESS WE WANTED TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT WAS MORE OF, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE'S GOING TO TREAT EACH OTHER RESPECTFULLY. WEST MELBOURNE HAS ONE. THERE'S I HAVE A BUNCH OF SAMPLE ONES. I JUST DON'T THINK UNTIL WE DECIDE THE NUMBER TWO ITEM,

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THANK YOU, THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. MAYOR. NO, I THINK THAT I DON'T HAVE NOT WORKED ON DRAFT CODE OF CONDUCT, BUT I DO THINK IT'S A GOOD THING. I DON'T KNOW, TO TO COUNCILMAN NEWMAN'S POINT. I DON'T KNOW IF IT HAS TO REALLY BE INTENSE, BUT I THINK ALL FOUR OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING TONIGHT ARE REALLY GOOD THINGS THAT WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT.

SO, SO WITH THAT IN MIND, I THINK HAVING SOME TYPE OF CODE OF CONDUCT IS GOING TO BE A GOOD THING FOR US TO HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE MOVING FORWARD. OKAY. MISS HANLEY, MA'AM, ARE WE GETTING MAKING A SOLUTION WHERE THERE IS NO PROBLEM? I MEAN, WHEN DID WE HAVE WHEN HAS THERE BEEN A CODE OF CONDUCT ISSUE? I MEAN, WHEN WHEN HAVE. I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO GO BACK DOWN THERE. I DON'T IT'S NOT REALLY WORTH OUR TIME. THAT IS NOT THAT WAS NOT A CODE OF CONDUCT. THAT WAS A DIFFERENT ISSUE ON A BOARD FOR A BOARD MEMBER IN A SITUATION.

BUT HAS A BOARD MEMBER HAD A CODE OF CONDUCT IN IS IT BEEN A PROBLEM AT A BOARD MEETING OR ANYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT? HAVE WE HAD THAT KIND OF A PROBLEM? I MEAN, I HAD HEARD DURING MY DISCUSSIONS WITH STAFF THAT IT WOULD BE GOOD. I'M ASKING STAFF, WHILE YOU'RE LOOKING AT. I'M ASKING STAFF, MA'AM, MA'AM, MA'AM, HOLD ON, HOLD ON, MA'AM. HOLD ON. BECAUSE I THOUGHT YOU WERE ASKING US TO. NO, I WASN'T ASKING YOU. I WAS ASKING STAFF. HAVE WE HAD A PROBLEM WITH ANY VOLUNTEER AT A BOARD MEETING OR ANYTHING ELSE WITH ETHICS? I'M NOT AWARE OF IN THE CAPACITY OF BOARD MEMBERS SERVING IN THEIR CAPACITY AT A BOARD MEETING. I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY PARTICULAR FORMAL ACTION WE'VE EVER TAKEN AGAINST A BOARD MEMBER. I'VE BEEN IN CONVERSATIONS MYSELF AND IN MEETINGS WITH SUPPORT STAFF, WHERE MAYBE A BOARD MEMBER MISUNDERSTOOD THE QUASI JUDICIAL, QUASI JUDICIAL NATURE OF THEIR BOARD, NEEDED SOME FURTHER EDUCATION ON TOPICS WE TALKED ABOUT DURING ORIENTATION, PERHAPS WAS DISCUSSING ITEMS THAT WASN'T WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THE BOARD. AND SO THERE'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, EDUCATIONAL CONVERSATIONS WITH BOARD MEMBERS OVER THE YEARS. BUT I'M I'M NOT I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY FORMAL ACTION OR FORMAL REPRIMAND OF ANY, ANY KIND TOWARDS A, A BOARD MEMBER IN THAT SORT OF SENSE. MAYBE IT CAN HELP CAN HELP CLARIFY WHEN YOU SAY A PROBLEM, LIKE, ARE YOU SAYING THAT THERE'S BEEN ALLEGATIONS OF UNETHICAL CONDUCT BASED ON THE STATE LAW OR OUR CURRENT CODE OF ETHICS IN OUR IN OUR CHARTER? CORRECT. NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT CHANGING SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH. WELL, AGAIN, RIGHT. THIS THIS IS FROM SEVERAL MONTHS OF DISCUSSION WHERE THERE WERE OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES, I UNDERSTAND, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO MAKE. I DON'T WANT TO MAKE. IT'S TOUGH ENOUGH TO GET PEOPLE TO BE ON A BOARD. WE'RE ALWAYS GOING IN THERE. AND YOU LOOK AT THE. AND. AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO SAY, OH, NO, WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS. WE GOT TO HAVE THAT. YOU GOT IT. SO THEY HAVE TO BE UNDER A CODE OF CONDUCT UNDER NO MATTER WHAT WITH THE STATE OF FLORIDA. CORRECT. THERE IS THERE'S A CERTAIN CODE. THERE ARE THERE ARE STANDARD ETHICAL. THERE'S STANDARD, STANDARD ETHICAL STANDARDS WITHIN CHAPTER 112 OF STATE LAW. THOSE CONCEPTS ARE ALSO EMBEDDED WITHIN SECTION 3.2, ONE OF OUR CITY CHARTER. BUT THOSE THOSE ETHICAL CONSIDERATIONS ARE VERY MUCH IN THE BOARD MEMBERS OFFICIAL CAPACITY. RIGHT. AND SO I THINK AT LEAST AS THE CODE OF CONDUCT WAS ORIGINALLY ADDRESSED, IT WAS IS THERE A NEED TO FOR SORT OF AN EXPANDED CODE OF CONDUCT FOR OTHER ACTIVITIES, OTHER OTHER EXPECTATIONS OF COUNCIL FOR BOARD MEMBER ACTIVITIES? AT THE SAME TIME, I CAN TELL YOU I HAVE I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT GOING WELL OUTSIDE OF, YOU KNOW, THOSE OFFICIAL CAPACITIES INTO, INTO OTHER FUNCTIONS, RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON WHERE COUNCIL'S APPETITE IS OR THE SCOPE OF THIS, I CAN TELL YOU, I'LL HAVE COMMENTS AND HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT IT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU SAY APPOINTMENTS, WE WE HAVE SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL, WE HAVEN'T HAD PROBLEMS WITH APPOINTMENT. WE SAY YES. NO, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY. WE SAY UP HERE THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN ONES THAT I HAVE SAID, NO, I DON'T WANT CERTAIN ONES. I'VE SAID YES, I'D BE GREAT. SUSPENSION AND REMOVAL. FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, WHEN I TALK TO JENNY, IF A PERSON. BECAUSE KEVIN AND THE STAFF GETS A

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WHAT WE'LL DO IN THAT SENSE IS IF A BOARD MEMBER HAS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU THINK OF THE TERM GHOSTED, WHERE THEY JUST HAVEN'T SHOWN UP TO ANY MEETINGS, WE CAN'T GET AHOLD OF THEM. THEY'RE NOT COMMUNICATING WITH US ANYMORE. TYPICALLY, THE STAFF WILL REACH OUT TO MY OFFICE AT THAT POINT, THE SUPPORT STAFF, AND ASK FOR A HAND. WE'LL SEND A CERTIFIED LETTER TO THE ADDRESS THAT'S ON THEIR BOARD MEMBER APPLICATION AND SEEK A RESPONSE OF, ARE YOU STILL IN THE AREA? HAVE YOU RESIGNED FROM THE BOARD? AND PRESUMING WE DON'T HEAR FROM YOU BY A CERTAIN DATE, THEN WE WILL WE'LL ASSUME YOU'VE RESIGNED FROM THE BOARD. AND IN THE INSTANCES WHERE WE DON'T GET THE LETTER ISN'T PICKED UP OR WE DON'T GET ANY SORT OF RESPONSE, WE. WE NOTE THEM AS HAVING RESIGNED FROM THE BOARD. OKAY, OKAY. SO SO IT'S ALREADY.

SO THERE IS ALREADY. A PLAY MECHANISM IN THERE TO TAKE CARE OF THAT SITUATION. IF SOMEBODY'S NOT SHOWING UP. AND I THINK TO YOUR POINT, I THINK WE'RE MAKING EVERY ATTEMPT SINCE WE'RE DEALING WITH VOLUNTEERS WHO HAVE LIVES AND OTHER THINGS GOING ON TO REACH OUT TO THEM AND NOT MAKE AN IMMEDIATE RASH DECISION, BUT TO SAY, HAS YOUR SCHEDULE CHANGED? HAVE YOU MOVED? AND SOME OF THOSE TIMES THE FOLKS APOLOGIZE AND SAY, I'VE HAD THIS GOING ON.

I'VE HAD THAT GOING ON. I DIDN'T THINK TO CALL. AND IN SOME CASES, THEIR ATTENDANCE IMPROVES AND IN SOME CASES THEY THEY REALIZE THAT THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE AS ALTERNATE MEMBERS THAT ARE WILLING TO SERVE, AND THEY STEP OUT TO ALLOW THOSE ALTERNATE MEMBERS TO MOVE, TO MOVE FORWARD AS REGULAR MEMBERS. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY, MR. NEWMAN, SO WHAT WHAT ARE YOU WHAT ARE YOU THINKING NOW? WELL, I MEAN, I MEAN, I'VE SAID MY PIECE ON THE CODE OF CONDUCT. I DON'T THINK THERE'S A UNLESS THERE'S ANYTHING THAT KIND OF GOES ON THAT WE IF WE WANTED TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S A LIKE A WEST MELBOURNE STYLE, THEY JUST HAVE A, YOU KNOW, VERY MUCH A TREAT EVERYONE WITH RESPECT THING. WE CAN WE CAN HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT AT THIS POINT, I'M I DON'T KNOW, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S A NECESSARY THING AS FAR AS THE APPOINTMENT, SUSPENSION AND REMOVAL, SINCE WE'RE BOUNCING BETWEEN THEM BOTH, I'LL REMIND MISS HANLEY THAT YOU HAD THREE PEOPLE YOU WANTED TO REMOVE FOR ATTENDANCE PURPOSES AT A MEETING, MILO ZONKA BEING ONE OF THEM, AND HE WROTE US A LETTER ABOUT IT. SO THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, WE DO HAVE FOLKS WHO ARE SHOWING UP TO MEETINGS. THERE HAS BEEN A DESIRE BY COUNCIL TO REMOVE FOLKS FOR PARTIAL ATTENDANCE. THE ISSUE THAT CAME AT HAND THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WAS YOU. IF THE OTHER OUTSIDE OF THAT PROCESS THAT YOU HAVE, KEVIN, AND I PRESUME IF WE REMOVED SOMEBODY AND THEY DIDN'T SEND US A LETTER, THEY COULD SUE US AND SAY THAT THIS WAS A FOUR YEAR POSITION, AND I DIDN'T INTEND TO RESIGN ON THAT. WOULD THAT BE TRUE, ADAM? I THINK IF THERE WAS AN AFTER THE FACT CLARIFICATION OF, NO, I DIDN'T INTEND TO RESIGN, SO ON AND SO FORTH, WE'D HAVE TO ADDRESS IT. AT THAT POINT, I. I WOULDN'T CARE TO SPECULATE ON WHAT ANY LEGAL CLAIM, AND I'M TRYING TO KEEP IT. WHAT WHAT A A REMOVAL SUSPENSION PROCESS SLASH APPOINTMENT WOULD BE IS YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THIS WHOLE TRIAL THING WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE TO BRING SOMEBODY UP, HAVE A WHOLE DISCUSSION ON IT WITH THEIR NAME BEING THROWN AROUND IN PUBLIC AND JUST SAY, OKAY, WE REMOVED THEM AND THEN MOVE ON WITH THE NEXT PERSON. OTHER. THE COUNTY ADDS AND REMOVES PEOPLE ALL THE TIME. PALM BAY ADDS AND REMOVES PEOPLE ALL THE TIME. WE'RE JUST BASICALLY HANDCUFFED WITH OUR CHARTER IN ORDER TO DO SO, AND I JUST THINK IT GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO CLEAR UP THAT LANGUAGE AND AVOID ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE AWKWARD IN THAT REGARD. AND MAYOR, CAN I ADD TO THAT? SO I SPENT THREE YEARS ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD, INCLUDING BEING THE CHAIR FOR A LITTLE OF THAT TIME. AND EVEN THOUGH, AS MISS MIMI HANLEY SAID, BUT THERE ARE SOME TIMES WHERE WE MIGHT NOT NEED. AND I'LL SAY IT AGAIN, WE MAY NOT NEED ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO GO OVERBOARD IN THE CODE OF CONDUCT, BUT I THINK THAT INCREASING OUR LEVEL OF PROFESSIONALISM, INCREASING OUR LEVEL OF EXPECTATION, THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG IN DOING THAT. SO THIS IS NOT ANYTHING TO MAKE IT HARD OR STRICT FOR PEOPLE TO BE ON OUR BOARD. I ACTUALLY THINK THAT HAVING A LEVEL OF EXPECTATIONS OR PROFESSIONALISM COULD MAYBE HELP US TO ENSURE THAT, BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST AND I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH SPECIFIC EXAMPLES, BUT I'VE BEEN IN THOSE MEETINGS AND PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THE BOARD, THINGS COULD GET A LITTLE TENSE FROM SOME OF THE MEMBERS. NOW, IS THAT A LEVEL OF CODE OF CONDUCT? I DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING, BUT AND I'VE BEEN IN KEVIN'S ORIENTATION, SO KEVIN, BEING ABLE TO HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY IN ADDITION TO WHAT I'M TALKING HERE, ALSO A GENERAL OUTLINE OF CODE OF CONDUCT. I DON'T SEE THAT BEING ON THAT BOARD FOR THOSE THREE YEARS. I DON'T SEE THAT WOULD BE ANY ISSUE IN PRESENTING THINGS IN THAT WAY. IT'S JUST SAYING THAT YOU'RE ON OUR BOARD. WE HAVE THIS LEVEL OF EXPECTATION. WE WANT YOU TO BE ENGAGED. WE WANT WE HAVE THESE THINGS THAT WE EXPECT FROM YOU. SO IT'S JUST REALLY, I THINK, SORT OF RAISING THE STANDARDS OF EXPECTATIONS WITHOUT SAYING WE WANTED TO MAKE IT DIFFICULT.

WELL, WOULD COUNCIL BE INTERESTED IN HAVING SOMETHING DRAFTED UP FOR JUST A CODE OF CONDUCT THAT THEY SIGN AND THEN JUST MOVE FORWARD FROM THERE? BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, I DON'T I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE LOOKING INTO GETTING SUSPENSION REMOVAL, ETC. I MEAN, I DON'T I

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AND WHETHER OR NOT IT'S YOUR APPETITE TO KEEP THEM ON THE BOARD FOR THAT PERIOD OF TIME.

AND I WOULD JUST SAY THAT THAT BASIS EXISTS, RIGHT? THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, KNOWING THAT OUR CODE AND THE STATE LAW CURRENTLY CONTEMPLATES REMOVAL OF BOARD MEMBERS FOR CAUSE NEGLECT OF DUTY IS ONE OF THOSE CAUSES, RIGHT? SO IF THERE'S TRULY AN ATTENDANCE ISSUE, BUT THAT PERSON'S NOT INTERESTED IN, YOU KNOW, VOLUNTARILY RESIGNING, THEN THEN COUNCIL TRULY HAS THAT OPPORTUNITY TO SAY YOU'RE NEGLECTING YOUR DUTIES. WE'RE WE'RE PRESENTING, YOU KNOW, CLEARLY AS AS MR. NEWMAN SAID, RIGHT. WE'D GO THROUGH THAT RESOLUTION AND HEARING PROCESS, BUT COUNCIL WOULD ABSOLUTELY BE ABLE TO SAY, WE'RE WE'RE ALLEGING THAT YOU'RE NEGLECTING YOUR DUTIES. HERE'S YOUR ATTENDANCE RECORD. WE FIND THAT YOU'VE NEGLECTED YOUR DUTIES AND AND YOU'RE BEING YOU'RE BEING REMOVED. ALTERNATIVELY, AS AND AS PRESENTED IN, IN MY MEMO, IF COUNCIL WANTED TO CONSIDER AN ALTERNATIVE TO THAT PROCESS, I THINK THE. I HATE TO PRESENT IT IN SORT OF A BINARY STATE, BUT I THINK THE OPTION THAT THEN MAKES THE NEXT BEST SENSE IS SIMPLY ALL BOARD MEMBERS SERVING AT THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL AND BEING ABLE TO BE, YOU KNOW, REMOVED WITHOUT CAUSE, RIGHT, WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH AN UNDERLYING PROCESS OF SAYING THIS IS THE CAUSE WE'RE ALLEGING, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THE GROUNDS IN WHICH WE'RE ALLEGING IT. I THINK THERE ARE PROS AND CONS TO THAT. AND SO I WOULD ASK THAT YOU EACH CAN CONSIDER THOSE OF HAVING, YOU KNOW, BOARD POSITIONS BE, YOU KNOW, ALWAYS AT THE WHIM OF COUNCIL, RIGHT. I THINK TO, TO MR. MCEWAN'S POINT, HAVING A SET TERM FOR THESE APPOINTMENTS, I THINK, GIVES SOME GRAVITY TO THOSE UNDERLYING DECISIONS OF WHOM TO APPOINT IN THE FIRST PLACE. AND OF THOSE APPLICATIONS, YOU KNOW, WHO, WHO MAKES THE MOST SENSE. IT COULD IT COULD GET PRETTY CONTENTIOUS IF BOARD MEMBERS ARE BEING ADDED AND REMOVED AT THE AT THE WHIM OF THE MAJORITY OF COUNCIL ON, ON A MORE REGULAR BASIS. YOU KNOW, I DEFER TO YOU ON THAT. AND AGAIN, BECAUSE IT'S IN THE CHARTER, THIS WAS THE ONLY THE ONLY, YOU KNOW, DIRECTION RIGHT NOW THAT WE'RE SEEKING IS DO YOU EVEN WANT TO, YOU KNOW, GIVE DIRECTION FOR US TO DRAFT AN ORDINANCE TO THEN PUT IT ON AS A REFERENDUM ITEM ON, ON THE NOVEMBER BALLOT, RIGHT? SO THIS, THESE ARE NOT JUST CODE CODE CHANGES. THESE WOULD HAVE TO BE PRESENTED TO THE, THE VOTING PUBLIC OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE TO DECIDE. IS THIS THE THE DIRECTION IN WHICH WE WANT THIS AND FUTURE COUNCILS TO BE ABLE TO TO MOVE FORWARD WITH. AND I THINK MY, MY OH, DO YOU HAVE SOME VICE MAYOR? GOOD. I JUST I JUST HAVE A QUESTION. ARE ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE THE SAME TERMS? NO, MA'AM. SOME BOARDS HAVE TWO YEAR TERMS. SOME HAVE THREE, SOME HAVE FOUR. I THINK EVEN THE HOUSING AUTHORITY IS FIVE. DON'T QUOTE ME, BUT IT'S IT'S STAGGERED OBVIOUSLY, BUT IN THE INDIVIDUAL BOARDS. BUT IT'S NOT THE SAME ACROSS THE BOARD. AND IS THAT PART OF OUR CHARTER. SOME ARE IN CHARTER, SOME ARE IN CODE. BUT IT IT IS IT IS, I THINK, AN INTERESTING MIDDLE GROUND. IF THERE'S CONCERNS ABOUT BOARD MEMBERS AND THE LENGTH OF TERM, I THINK AN ALTERNATIVE WOULD BE TO SHORTEN THOSE TERMS, TO GIVE COUNCIL A MORE FREQUENT OPPORTUNITY TO RECONSIDER THOSE APPOINTMENTS OR REAPPOINTMENTS, I. THAT'S WHERE I WOULD SAY IT IS AN INTEREST. IT'S ONE IT'S ONE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT PREVIOUSLY AND ONE THAT I THINK IS WORTH CONSIDERING FURTHER TO THAT. YEAH. AND SO, SO I WOULD ACTUALLY GO AHEAD THEN I'LL GO. OKAY. AND ONE OTHER POINT, IT'S MORE THAN JUST ATTENDANCE BECAUSE IF WE HAVE BOARD MEMBERS AND THEY'RE JUST FILLING SPACE AT A BOARD AND THEY'RE NOT REALLY ENGAGING, I THINK THAT ALSO CAN BE SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED. THAT IS A SLIPPERY SLOPE, THOUGH, I KNOW. WELL, THAT'S A SLIPPERY SLOPE. IT IS.

BUT BUT THERE ARE ALSO LEVELS OF PROFESSIONALISM TO EVALUATE THAT TOO. SO THEY'RE NOT PAID EMPLOYEES. THEY'RE VOLUNTEERS. I GET THAT, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT YOU CAN'T IF YOU'RE TALKING

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OKAY. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO SAY. OKAY. NOW ARE WE IS COUNCIL INTERESTED IN BRINGING THE, THE, THE TERM LIMIT DOWN TO LIKE THREE YEARS OR STANDARD? I THINK YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE BOARD ITSELF. I DON'T THINK WE CAN JUST DO IT RIGHT OFF. RIGHT. LIKE A, A FULL SWATH TO GO OVER, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE SOMETIMES SMART BOARDS, YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE TIME TO LEARN WHAT LEARN THE WAY THAT AND LEARNED ON THE JOB, LEARN THE, LEARN THE JOB AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IT JUST DOESN'T HAPPEN WITHIN, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST TWO MEETINGS, THERE'S A LOT. WELL, WHAT WHAT THEY. BUT THE TERM LIMIT IS NOT SAYING WE'RE TAKING ANYBODY OFF. IT'S JUST THEY WOULD BE COMING BACK UP FOR, FOR. YEAH, JUST NOT MATCH IT UP. BUT WE JUST BROUGHT UP THAT MAYBE FROM THE VICE MAYOR THAT WE BRING MAYBE THINK ABOUT BRINGING THAT TERM, THOSE LIMITS DOWN OR I'M SORRY, THE TERMS DOWN MAYBE THREE TERM LIMIT. I GUESS I IT'S NOT LIMIT.

YEAH. RIGHT. IT'S JUST YOU'RE JUST TERMS, RIGHT? IT'S JUST YOU DO MULTIPLE TERMS. YEAH. SO ARE WE LOOKING AT MAYBE TO BRING THAT. SURE. MAYBE WE COME UP WITH SOME LIMITS FOR EACH OF THE BOARDS. YEAH. LIKE A RECOMMENDATION OR AN OPTION THAT WE CAN LOOK AT HOW MANY NEXT OR DO WE HAVE NEXT? I, I, I'M, I'M NOT SURE IF I'M CLEAR, BUT ARE WE LOOKING ARE WE LOOKING TO HAVE THE CITY ATTORNEY PROPOSE A CHARTER AMENDMENT WITH RELATION TO OR WE I THINK I THINK THAT I THINK RIGHT NOW THEY'RE JUST LOOKING FOR WHAT ARE THE LIKE WHAT ARE THE CURRENT TERM. TERM DURATIONS FOR EACH BOARD. AND THEN YOU'RE LOOKING FOR INPUT ON WHAT THAT MIGHT WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE AS A REDUCTION. OKAY. AND THEN WE CAN TRIM FROM THERE IF WE CHOOSE TO. RIGHT. OKAY. SO ARE WE COMPLETELY, ARE WE TURNING DOWN THE CODE OF CONDUCT AT LEAST SOME FORMAT? MAYOR, ARE WE A GOOD QUESTION? ARE WE TURNING DOWN, I MEAN, THE CODE OF CONDUCT? I THINK TO ME, IT JUST INITIALLY SOMETHING THAT THEY'VE SIGNED. YEAH, I THINK YEAH. AND THAT THEY WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTION, THEY CONTACT THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE AND THAT. DID THEY SIGN ANYTHING LIKE THAT RIGHT NOW. NO, SIR. AND I THINK YEAH, I THINK EVEN SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES, JUST AS A CHANGE AS A PARADIGM SHIFT IN WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH OUR MUNICIPAL BOARDS, WOULD WOULD GO A LONG WAY TO OUR PROFESSIONALISM. AND IF ANY, TO ME, IF ANY WAY TO INCREASE THE COMMUNICATION WITH THEM AND OUR CITY CLERK'S OFFICE, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD ALLEVIATE SOME OF YOUR WORK. AND THEN IF WE HAVE AN ISSUE, WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS GIVE THE PERCEPTION THAT WE'RE GOING IN

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OKAY. YEAH, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD THEN. OKAY. KEVIN, I HAVE A QUESTION. I KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING WE TALKED ABOUT ON THE STAFF LEVEL WITH ATTENDANCE IS LIKE CURRENTLY IF THEY CALL IN, THEN THEY'RE MARKED AS EXCUSED. RIGHT. AND IS THAT SHOULD WE DIFFER? LIKE IS THERE A DIFFERENCE? LIKE WHEN WHEN YOU CALL INTO A SCHOOL, IF YOUR KID IS SICK, YOU LIKE IT'S A PARENT EXCUSE VERSUS A DOCTOR'S EXCUSE. SO AND THE CITY CODE GIVES, GIVES THAT AUTHORITY TO THE CHAIR OF THE BOARD TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THE MEMBER IS EXCUSED.

AND REALLY, WHAT YOU KNOW, FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, IT'S A MATTER OF DID WE GET ADVANCE NOTICE? RIGHT? BECAUSE IF YOU ALL MANY OF YOU HAVE BEEN ON A BOARD, IF YOU'RE UNABLE TO HAVE A QUORUM, YOU CAN'T HAVE THE MEETING. AND WE HAVE TO MOVE ON. SO I THINK I THINK WE DISCUSSED AT A STAFF LEVEL SOMETHING THAT WORKED, BUT CERTAINLY OPEN TO. SO MAYOR, SO WHAT IN GENERAL, WHAT ARE THE ATTENDANCE STANDARDS NOW? ARE YOU ABLE TO EXPLAIN IT BY. SURE. SO I BELIEVE AND I HAVE THEM, I BELIEVE IN THE AGENDA PACKAGE, AND I CAN PULL UP THE CITY CODE IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO READ IT WORD FOR WORD. BUT THREE OF FIVE MEETINGS WHERE YOU'RE UNEXCUSED WOULD BE TECHNICALLY A VIOLATION OF THE ATTENDANCE STANDARDS. AND THEN I THINK IT'S THREE CONSECUTIVE AS WELL. AND AGAIN, WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF EXCUSED VERSUS UNEXCUSED? IF YOU HAVE AN EMERGENCY AND YOU CALL 15 MINUTES AHEAD OF TIME AND SAY, I HAVE A FLAT TIRE, I CAN'T GET THERE. GENERALLY IT'S MARKED AS EXCUSED. WE'VE HAD BOARD MEMBERS WHO HAVE HAD MEDICAL ISSUES, WHO HAVE HAD ACCIDENTS, WHO HAVE BEEN VERY CLEAR WITH STAFF TO PLEASE KEEP ME ON THE BOARD. I'M WORKING TOWARDS THAT. THAT'S SOMETHING I STRIVE TO COME BACK TO. AND THEY'VE HAD SIX, EIGHT, NINE MONTH LEAVES OF ABSENCE. ESSENTIALLY.

THERE'S NOT REALLY A PROVISION FOR THAT, BUT THEY'VE BEEN MARKED EXCUSED BY THE CHAIR AND THEN THEY'RE ABLE TO RETURN. AND SO AS LONG AS THERE'S NOT AN ATTENDANCE ISSUE OR TOO MANY VACANCIES ON THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, STAFF IS ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT. BUT WHAT BECOMES A CONCERN IS WE'RE ON A REGULAR BASIS. BOARDS ARE NOT ABLE TO HAVE A QUORUM, OR APPLICATIONS THAT COME BEFORE THE BOARD HAVE TO BE DELAYED AND DELAYED. AND SO, SO BUT IT COMES DOWN TO A DEFINITION OF WHAT'S EXCUSED VERSUS UNEXCUSED. SO IS THAT THE TYPE OF THING THAT COULD JUST BE LISTED IN THE CODE OF CONDUCT. LIKE THE MAYOR SAYING THEY JUST ORIENTATION, THEY SIGN OFF ON IT AS AWARENESS THAT MY ATTENDANCE IS I'M EXPECTED TO ATTEND. I MEAN, FROM A, FROM A CODE INTERPRETATION STANDPOINT, RIGHT? WE'RE JUST, WE'RE TRYING MORE TO BE ABLE TO GIVE GUIDANCE TO THE VOLUNTEER BOARDS AND THEIR CHAIRS OF HOW TO ADMINISTER THIS ATTENDANCE STANDARD. AT THE SAME TIME, BASED ON THE CURRENT STATE LAW AND THE CODE LANGUAGE FOR THOSE WHO ARE UNDERLYINGLY VIOLATING THE ATTENDANCE STANDARD AND NOT, YOU KNOW, PROPOSING VOLUNTARY RESIGNATION, IT WOULD STILL BE COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL'S DETERMINATION WHETHER OR NOT TO SUSPEND OR REMOVE THAT BOARD MEMBER FOR NEGLECT OF DUTY.

RIGHT. THERE ISN'T ANY CODE LANGUAGE, UNLIKE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, WHICH SOME HAVE WHEN THERE ARE VIOLATIONS OF ATTENDANCE STANDARDS, YOU'RE AUTOMATICALLY REMOVED OR OTHER THINGS ARE ARE OUR CODE IS IS SILENT ON THAT. AND SO ONCE THERE IS AN ATTENDANCE STANDARD VIOLATION, IT'S STILL EFFECTIVELY EITHER THE BOARD CHAIR OR THE CLERK'S OFFICE REFERRING THAT TO COUNCIL FOR IS THEIR ACTION THAT YOU WANT TO YOU WANT TO TAKE PURSUANT TO OUR, YOU KNOW, REMOVAL STANDARDS IN STATE LAW AND CODE. SO IT'S NOT IT'S NOT LIKE SELF EFFECTIVE AT THAT POINT. NO, I UNDERSTAND, I'M JUST SAYING AS AN EXPECTATION OF BEING ON THE BOARD, WE HAVE ATTENDANCE EXPECTATIONS, NOT REALLY DISBARMENT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I'M JUST WONDERING. RIGHT. IT'S IT'S CERTAINLY I MEAN, WE HAD A BOARD ORIENTATION THIS AFTERNOON AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS WE DISCUSSED IS THE ATTENDANCE STANDARDS. SO IT'S DISCUSSED EVERY TIME A NEW YOU APPOINT A NEW MEMBER, WE SCHEDULE ORIENTATION WITH THEM.

LIKE YOU SAID, YOU'VE BEEN IN THAT AND WE AND WE DISCUSS WHAT OUR EXPECTATIONS ARE WITH

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RIGHT. AND SO IF WE AS WE MOVE FORWARD, JUST HAVING LIKE HAVING A LIST OF EXPECTATIONS AS A PART OF A CODE OF CONDUCT, I O SIGN OFF ON IT. NOW, NOW, WE HAVE BEEN PROPERLY ORIENTATED FOR BEING A GOOD MEMBER ON THE BOARD. YEAH, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. YEAH.

ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE'RE CLEAR ON THAT ONE. SO THE LAST ITEM ANY REVISIONS THAT COUNCIL WANTS TO PROPOSE TO THE DUTIES OF ANY OF THE NON QUASI QUASI JUDICIAL BOARDS.

AND THEN AGAIN COUNCIL DIRECTION ON, ON THE CITY ATTORNEY'S MEMORANDUM WITH REGARD TO A PROPOSED CHARTER AMENDMENT AMENDMENT TO MERGE THE TWO REFERENCE BOARDS, MAYOR.

MR. LEWIS, THANK YOU. THE COUNCIL DIRECTION REQUESTED ON WHETHER TO PREPARE AN ORDINANCE CALLING FOR THE PROPOSED CITY CHARTER AMENDMENT TO MERGE THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD AND THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. I'VE GOT A FEW QUESTIONS ON THAT. ITEM. NUMBER ONE, IF THIS WERE TO BECOME A REFERENDUM AND IT PASSED, HOW WOULD YOU DEAL WITH OR HOW WOULD WE DEAL WITH MOVING ZONE OF A ZONE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT MEMBERS OVER TO PLANNING AND ZONING OR VICE VERSA. AND I MISSED MY OPPORTUNITY. MR. JACKSON, THE LONGEST SERVING BOARD MEMBER IN THIS CITY, HAS BEEN ON THAT ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT FOR 50 YEARS. HOW DO I TELL HIM, SORRY, YOUR BOARD HAS BEEN BEEN CERTAINLY ONE OF THE CONSEQUENCES OF OF THIS PROPOSED ACTION. RIGHT. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE A RECOMMENDATION FOR OR AGAINST HERE. RIGHT. THIS WAS A COUNCIL INITIATED ITEM OF EXPLORE THIS. AND SO THE THE BEST, THE BEST WAY THAT MY OFFICE COULD, COULD FIGURE OUT TO PROPOSE THIS WAS A, A PROPOSED CHARTER AMENDMENT THAT GIVES COUNCIL FLEXIBILITY TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT IN ANY, IN ANY GIVEN TIME PERIOD, WHETHER TO HAVE TWO BOARDS OR WHETHER TO HAVE ONE BOARD THAT DOES TWO FUNCTIONS. AND I THINK WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS SETTING UP FOR FOR FAILURE. THAT'S WHAT I THINK. I THINK YOU'RE TAKING TWO BOARDS. PEOPLE HAVE DEDICATED A LOT OF YEARS AND A LOT OF TIME AND TELLING THEM, YOU KNOW, THAT, WELL, NOW IT'S UP TO COUNCIL WHETHER YOU ACTUALLY SIT ON THE BOARD ANYMORE. I MEAN, OTHER THAN REAPPOINTMENT OR APPOINTMENT, RIGHT? YOU KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO RELINQUISH ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DON'T DON'T WORRY. WE DON'T NEED YOU ANYMORE. I DON'T DISAGREE. AND THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, TO YOUR POINT, THERE'S AN EXTENSIVE AMOUNT OF INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE THAT THAT EXISTING BOARD HAS ON, ON THE THINGS THAT THEY ARE ASKED TO PERFORM AND, AND THE CONSIDERATIONS FOR IT. AND THE, THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS WOULD NEED TO BE SORT OF BROUGHT UP TO SPEED ON, ON WHAT THOSE CODE REQUIREMENTS ARE, HOW THEY'VE BEEN INTERPRETED AND APPLIED IN THE PAST, SO ON AND SO FORTH. SO AGAIN, I'M, I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS. IT WAS A A QUESTION THAT WAS PRESENTED ON HOW WOULD IT BE DONE? AND THIS IS THIS IS THE BEST WAY. WHY DID IT EVEN COME TO THE FOREFRONT, THOUGH? WHY ARE WE LOOKING TO MAKE A REFERENDUM TO CHANGE THESE BOARDS? I, I MEAN, I'VE HEARD ONE THING THAT THAT THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT DOESN'T NECESSARILY GET A LOT OF APPLICATIONS, YOU KNOW, AND THEN SO THE ZONING. SO THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD GETS FAR MORE. BUT THERE'S A ROLE FOR ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. IF THEY MEET ONLY THREE TIMES A YEAR, THERE'S A, THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT ROLE FOR THEM. SO TO ANSWER YOUR SPECIFIC QUESTION, IT WAS BROUGHT UP BY COUNCIL MEMBER NEWMAN. AND THEN THERE WAS COUNCIL CONSENSUS TO TO BRING THIS BACK, I. FAIR ENOUGH. BUT BUT BUT IT WAS BUT IT WAS IT WAS IT WAS COUNCIL THAT MR. CONLEY'S. CORRECT. IT WAS COUNCIL. ABSOLUTELY. FOR THE DISCUSSION, FOR CONSIDERATION. YEAH. AND SO I I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY. JUST GO AHEAD. I'M JUST GOING TO CAP IT OFF NOW IS THAT I, I THINK THAT AS MISS HANLEY WOULD SAY, THIS IS A PROBLEM. THIS IS A SOLUTION. LOOKING FOR A PROBLEM.

AND I DON'T AGREE WITH BRINGING IT TO REFERENDUM. I DON'T AGREE WITH BRINGING THESE TWO BOARDS TOGETHER. I SERVED I SERVED ON THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. YOU SERVED ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD. I MEAN, THERE'S SIGNIFICANT KNOWLEDGE, AS ADAM SAID, AND THERE'S SIGNIFICANT DEDICATION TO THIS CITY FROM PEOPLE WHO HAVE. AND I CAN ONLY TELL YOU ABOUT MR. JACKSON, BUT I REMEMBER THAT THERE ARE STILL BOARD MEMBERS UP THERE FROM WHEN I SERVED IN 2003. I PLEASE I MEAN, I'M I'M GOING TO BE THE GUY WHO TELLS THEM, SORRY, YOUR BOARD DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE.

YOU KNOW, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE. HERE'S YOUR GIFT CARD. WE'LL DO THAT TO YOU.

HEY, HEY, MAYOR, I THINK ON AN ON AN UPCOMING ON AN UPCOMING AGENDA, WE HAVE A SERVICE AWARD TO ANOTHER MEMBER OF THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, WHO'S MR. CASTRO, WHO'S I THINK SERVED FOR 30 OR 35 YEARS. AND TO YOUR QUESTION EARLIER, MR. COUNCIL MEMBER LARUSSO, I THINK THE LAST TIME SOMETHING SIMILAR OCCURRED WHERE THE MERGING OF THE TWO BOARDS WAS IN 2016 WITH HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD. AND IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, AT THE TIME WE ASKED MEMBERS OF THOSE BOARDS, WE ESSENTIALLY CREATED A NEW BOARD AND ASKED MEMBERS OF THOSE TWO BOARDS IF THEY WERE INTERESTED IN APPLYING. I THINK MOST DID. SOME TOOK IT AS

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AND I HAD TAKEN A LOOK AT EVERY SINGLE BOARD OF HOW OFTEN THEY MET VERSUS THE CALENDAR YEARS.

THEY GIVEN ONE. THE CALENDAR YEAR THAT WE HAD GOTTEN DIDN'T EVEN SAY 2026 ON IT AT THE TIME.

THEY HADN'T MET THIS YEAR. THEY MAY HAVE MET THIS YEAR BY NOW, BUT AT THE TIME THEY HAD NOT, IF I RECALL. AND THEN SECONDLY, IT SAID THAT THEY OF THE YEARS THAT WE WERE GIVEN, THEY HAD ONLY MET THREE TIMES IN 15 MONTHS. AND THEREFORE IT SEEMED LIKE THEIR STAFF RESOURCES BEING INVOLVED IN IT, THERE MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY, LIKE PALM BAY DID, WHERE THEY HAD MERGED THESE TWO BOARDS. THIS ISN'T A UNIQUE IDEA TO JUST DO SOMETHING CRAZY. THIS IS A METHOD THAT HAS WORKED BEFORE, BUT THAT WAS THAT WAS THE WHOLE REASON THAT I CAME UP AND WE HAD TALKED ABOUT IT. YEAH, YEAH, I REMEMBER. I'LL NEVER DO IT. UNDERSTOOD, MAYOR. OKAY, GOOD.

BUT BUT CITY MANAGER'S MENTIONED. BUT I KNOW AT ONE OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS, I TALKED ABOUT THE CONSIDERATION OF MERGING THE CITIZEN ADVISORY OR ANY. THE HOUSING AUTHORITY BOARD FOR FOR SIMILAR. SOME OF THE REASONS THAT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED BEFORE. SO I KNOW THAT'S NOT ON THE DOCKET RIGHT NOW, BUT I DO THINK THAT THAT SHOULD BE SOMETHING OF CONSIDERATION FUNCTIONALITY, AND I THINK THAT IS A. THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE AN AMENDMENT CHANGE. OKAY. SO MR. NEWMAN, SO JUST TO GET TO, BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE STAFF MAY WANT US TO CONSIDER ANOTHER BOARD ON IT, BUT JUST FOR THE DISCUSSION OF THIS PARTICULAR BOARD AND MR. LARUSSO, I HEAR YOUR RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION ON IT. I GET IT. I, I REALLY DO LIKE I, UNDER A BACKHANDED COMPLIMENT. I UNDERSTAND IT, BUT NOBODY EVEN EVEN IF YOU GO BACK AND WATCH THE MEETING STAFF KNOWS I HAVE A REPUTATION FOR WATCHING THEM. THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, IF YOU REWATCH THE MEETING, YOU'LL KNOW THAT WHEN COUNCIL DECIDED THAT CONSENSUS THAT THE MAIN POINT WAS ONE WHAT WE HAD DISCUSSED JUST HERE WHEN THE VICE MAYOR HAD ASKED ME THAT QUESTION, BUT THEN SECONDLY, THAT NO PERSON WOULD BE DISCRIMINATED AGAINST TO BE REMOVED FROM THESE BOARDS. IF YOU LOOK AT THE PACKET ON PAGE 164, YOU JUST HAVE TO GO AND CHANGE A, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE SENTENCE BEFOREHAND IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT AMENDMENT THAT YOU WANTED TO ALLOW MR. JACKSON TO KIND OF BLEND INTO IT, OR AS ADAM HAD SUGGESTED, CREATE A NEW NAME FOR THE BOARD AND THEN REAPPOINT IT WITH THE, WITH THE NUMBERS IN THAT REGARD.

SO THERE'S A WAY TO DO IT. SO WE'RE NOT HARMING PEOPLE. AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE INTENT.

THE INTENT IS ALMOST LIKE WHAT JENNY WAS REFERRING TO IS IF WE CAN HAVE A BIAS TOWARDS

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THE ONE THAT ONLY MET 15, I MEAN, THREE TIMES A BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. ADJUSTMENT ADJUSTMENTS. YEAH. THEY'RE THEY'RE QUASI TRADITION AND THEY LIKE MR. LARUSSA SAID THEY HAVE KNOWLEDGE. THEY HAVE SEVERE KNOWLEDGE. AND THEY LOOK AT THINGS IN A DIFFERENT WAY.

THAT PLANNING AND ZONING WOULD LOOK AT IT. I REALLY DON'T THINK THAT PUTTING THEM TOGETHER IS A GOOD SITUATION. YOU NEED A LITTLE PLANNING AND ZONING THAT GROUP, AND THEN YOU HAVE THEY CAN COME BACK TO US AND YOU HAVE ANOTHER ANOTHER GROUP OF EYES ON THAT INFORMATION. WELL, LET'S JUST WE'VE NOT WE'VE NOT HAD PROBLEMS WITH IT. THEY DON'T MEET VERY OFTEN, BUT IN THE TIME PERIOD THEY HAVE WHEN THEY'VE MET JENNY IN THE LAST THE LAST TIME THEY MET, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WERE MEETING FOR. DO YOU WOULD YOU HAVE I KNOW, SORRY, MISS JENNY. YEAH. BUT I MEAN BUT THAT'S BUT SOME OF THAT KNOWLEDGE COULD BE USED ON OTHER BOARDS, BUT. OKAY. YOU KNOW, WE DON'T NEED TO KNOW EVERY SINGLE THING THAT WHAT THE BOARD MEETS FOR, BUT. OKAY. NO, WE DON'T NEED. THAT'S NOT OUR THAT'S NOT OUR JOB. WE DO OVERSIGHT. THAT'S OUR JOB. BUT WE DON'T NEED TO KNOW EVERY, EVERY SINGLE SITUATION, YOU KNOW, MINUTE SITUATION. BUT I THINK JUST LEAVING IT, IT HASN'T CAUSED A PROBLEM. WE ARE DIFFERENT THAN PALM BAY. PALM BAY HANDLES THINGS DIFFERENTLY THAN WE DO. SO WHY NOT JUST LEAVE IT? IF IT'S NOT BROKEN, DON'T FIX IT. WELL, THAT THAT'S OKAY. AND THEN REAL QUICK, MR. SMITH. YEAH. I WOULD ASK YOU, MR. SMITH, I WOULD ASK YOU, YOU YOU CHAIRED THE PLANNING AND ZONING. YES, SIR. WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHT ON MERGING THE TWO BOARDS BASED OFF OF OF STAFF TIME? AND I DID HAVE A DISCUSSION A LITTLE BIT EARLIER ABOUT. SIMILARLY, WE TAKE ON A DIFFERENT HAT WITHIN OUR COUNCIL MEETING WHERE IT SAYS, NOW WE'RE GOING TO BE THE CRA.

YEAH. YOU KNOW, I, I FELT THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DONE. I HEAR SOME OF THE PUSHBACK, BUT I THINK THAT FROM A AN INTELLECTUAL STANDPOINT, I THINK I WOULD BE FINE WITH IT.

YOU KNOW, I WOULD BE FINE WITH IT. AND I THINK THAT SOME OF THOSE PERSONNEL, BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF BOARDS THAT WE HAVE AND STRATEGICALLY THINKING WE COULD PUT, MAYBE HAVE THEM IN OTHER BOARD LOCATIONS WHERE WE NEED SOME OF THAT INTELLECTUAL POWER ALSO. OKAY, SO THE QUESTION I WOULD DEFER TO COUNCIL, ARE WE WHAT EACH OF YOUR THOUGHT OF MERGING THE TWO BOARDS AND I'LL, I WILL I WILL GO DOWN THE LIST. IT'S LIKE A YAY OR NAY. AND JUST FOR, JUST FOR CONSENSUS. YEAH. BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE DISCUSSION IS AT THIS TIME. MERGING THE TWO BOARDS. SO THEIR THOUGHTS ABOUT IT FIRST. WHAT'S THAT. DO WE WE'RE NOT SAYING YES. WELL NO NO NO. WHETHER EVEN WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT, IT'S WORTH DISCUSSING. OKAY. WELL I'M NOT I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING. WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE NOT EVEN GOING TO ENTERTAIN IT IF IT'S JUST AN OVERWHELMING. NO, I MEAN. RIGHT. WELL, YEAH, OBVIOUSLY. OKAY. SO WHAT WHAT? YEAH. REAL QUICK. WELL, THERE WAS A QUESTION FROM MISS HANLEY ABOUT WHEN THE LAST TIME ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT MET. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S FEBRUARY OR MARCH, BUT THERE WERE THERE WERE TWO APPLICATIONS THAT THAT THEY RECENTLY CONSIDERED IN THE LAST IN THE LAST TWO MONTHS OR SO. SO THEY HAVE HAD A RECENT MEETING AND RECENT BUSINESS AND DID HAVE A QUORUM, I ASSUME. YEAH, I BELIEVE SO. OKAY. WITH THE THOUGHT. ALL RIGHT. SO REAL QUICK, KIND OF A ROLL CALL. MR. SMITH, ARE YOU ARE YOU WOULD YOU FOR FOR IT. HOW ABOUT YOU AGAINST SIR. YES, FOR IT FOR SURE. FOR AGAINST FOR. AND THEN I WOULD BE FOR IT SO THAT WE'D HAVE WHAT, 5 TO 2, 5 TO 2, FIVE AS AS INTERESTED IN, IN PUTTING THOSE BOARDS TOGETHER. IT SUCKS LOSING. YOU KNOW. IT DOES. BUT, BUT THAT'S THE BEST ROUTE TO GO AT IT. WELL, KEEP, KEEP IN MIND THAT IT'S AN, IT'S AN ORDINANCE THAT WILL NEED TO BE ADOPTED TWICE TO PUT A REFERENDUM ON THE BALLOT. AND THEN AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S UP TO THE VOTERS WHO VOTE IN THE ELECTION.

SO THE BOARD THAT ARE OUT, BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE. AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES THIS THIS COUNCIL GREAT, IS THAT WE CAN AGREE TO DISAGREE. YEAH. AND WE HAVE TOTALLY DIFFERENT VIEWPOINTS OF TOTALLY DIFFERENT THINGS. AND EVEN THOUGH I VOTE NO, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, CONSENSUS OF COUNCIL, THAT'S WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO. AND THEN OF COURSE, THE REFERENDUM, THE CONSENSUS OF THE VOTER. WE GOT A LONG WAY TO GO. YEAH. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? NO, SIR. UNLESS

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AND SO IF THAT'S THE ALTERNATIVE TO, TO FUNCTIONALLY DISSOLVE BOTH THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD AND THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND CREATE A NEW PLANNING AND ZONING AND BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WE WERE GOING TO CALL IT. AND THEN REESTABLISH.

I, I HAVE I HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THE CHARTER, THE CHARTER ALREADY DESIGNATES THE EXISTING PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD AS OUR LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY, WHICH IS A STATE LAW REQUIREMENT. AND SO WE DON'T WANT TO NECESSARILY TOUCH THAT TO, TO, TO GET TO GET TOO FAR INTO THE WEEDS ON THAT. AND SO IF IT BECAME A WE'RE, WE'RE REESTABLISHING THIS PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD AND WE'RE CLEARING OUT THE EXISTING MEMBERSHIP AND NOW REAPPOINTING THE SEVEN MEMBERS THAT THAT WE WANT ON, ON THAT BOARD. YEAH, IT'S WE COULD DO THAT IN ORDER TO WHATEVER THE CONSIDERATION IS. THAT WAS JUST MY WHOLE POINT WAS KEEPING INTO CONSIDERATION COUNCILMAN RUSSO'S CONCERNS ABOUT MAKING SURE MR. JACKSON AND OTHERS COULD STILL SERVE. THAT'S ALL. THAT'S THE ONLY. THAT'S WHAT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WAS INCLUDED IN YOUR DIRECTION ON. AT LEAST FROM MY. I GUESS I GUESS AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE HAVE ANYWHERE BETWEEN 16 AND 19 OR 18 BOARD MEMBERS, 18 RIGHT. BOTH BOARDS ARE FULL. YEAH.

RIGHT. 18 BOARD MEMBERS THAT WILL HAVE TO BECOME. NINE APPOINTMENTS IF IT'S ONE BOARD AND ALTERNATES, RIGHT. WELL, NOT NINE INCLUDES YOUR ALTERNATES. AND FOR WHATEVER IT'S WORTH, AS YOU'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED, THE MEETING SCHEDULE OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD IS SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT THAN THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND WHETHER ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT MEMBERS ARE GOING TO WANT TO ADJUST A SCHEDULE THEY'RE USED TO OF ONLY WHEN THERE'S AN APPLICATION VERSUS THE FIRST AND THIRD THURSDAY OF EVERY MONTH FOR A NUMBER OF HOURS. AS YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT BE A FACTOR IN THEIR DECISION MAKING AS WELL. GOT IT. WELL, WHATEVER YOUR ORIGINAL ONE WAS, THEN I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT HIS CONCERNS WERE HEARD. I APPRECIATE THAT. OKAY. I, I THINK THE WAY THAT THE WAY THAT THE CHARTER LANGUAGE IS PROPOSED, THE, THE WAY THAT I HAVE IT, IT GIVES COUNCIL FLEXIBILITY TO MAKE THAT DECISION. EVEN EVEN IF THE THE CHARTER AMENDMENT IS ADOPTED.

RIGHT. SO IT'S, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A DECISION YOU HAVE TO MAKE IMMEDIATELY. OKAY. I WANT TO BE HERE TO DO THAT. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. PERFECT. OKAY. SO WE'RE WE'RE DONE THERE.

[D. PETITIONS, REMONSTRANCES, AND COMMUNICATIONS]

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AND THEN NUMBER TWO, I REALLY DID LIKE THAT IDEA THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT MR. LARUSSO, ABOUT HAVING A APPEALS PROCESS FROM BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT WHERE THEY COULD, IF FOR WHATEVER REASON, RIGHT NOW, IF IF THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT DOESN'T APPROVE SOMETHING, I MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT DOESN'T GO TO COUNCIL TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THAT THING WAS PROPERLY REJECTED. I DO THINK THAT IT WOULD BE BEHOOVE US TO HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW IT AND APPROVE IT, IF, FOR WHATEVER REASON THAT WASN'T THE CASE, I WOULD COUNCIL BE INTERESTED IN US LOOKING AT LANGUAGE TO LOOK AT THAT. WOULD THAT BE CHARTER? IT WOULD HOLD ON. GOOD, GOOD. SIR, THE VICE MAYOR HAD A QUESTION ABOUT WHERE THAT LANGUAGE EXISTS AND WHAT THAT CHANGE WOULD BE. THAT LANGUAGE DOES EXIST IN CITY CHARTER. AND SO IT WOULD BE A CHARTER AMENDMENT TO REVISE THAT LANGUAGE, BECAUSE IT CURRENTLY SAYS STAFF IS THE APPEAL PROCESS. NO, THERE IS NO APPEAL PROCESS. THE CHARTER LANGUAGE SAYS THAT APPEALS OF THE DECISIONS OF THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT GOES DIRECTLY TO CIRCUIT COURT. OKAY, OKAY. SO, MAYOR, GO AHEAD. SO WITH THE MERGING, IF THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS, THEN WHERE DOES THAT GO? DOES THAT MERGE INTO THE PLANNING AND ZONING AND THEN COMES TO US OR THE OTHER WAY AROUND? RIGHT. IT'S A IT'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION, RIGHT? BECAUSE BECAUSE AGAIN, RIGHT, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT REALLY JUST WELL, IT'S A THE WAY IT'S BEEN PROPOSED, IT'S BEEN AN, A DELEGATION OF RESPONSIBILITIES TO THE, TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD TO BASICALLY SAY, WE KNOW THAT WE KNOW THAT OUR CHARTER, THAT THAT OUR CHARTER AND CODE SAYS THERE ARE CERTAIN FUNCTIONS THAT A BOARD WILL PERFORM. HERE THEY ARE. HERE'S HOW THAT PROCESS WILL WORK AND THE, THE WAY OF THE WAY OUR OFFICE HAS PROPOSED THIS, THIS CHARTER AMENDMENT HAS SAID YOU CAN EITHER HAVE TWO BOARDS THAT DO THAT, OR WE'RE GOING TO DELEGATE THOSE THOSE ONE BOARD'S RESPONSIBILITIES TO THIS OTHER BOARD SO THAT THIS OTHER BOARD SERVES IN, IN IN TWO CAPACITIES, BASICALLY, RIGHT? SIMILAR TO THE WAY YOU DO FOR COUNCIL AND, AND, AND CRA AT THE SAME TIME WHEN THAT OTHER BOARD IS PERFORMING THOSE FUNCTIONS, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY PERFORMING THE DUTIES OF THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. AND SO THE REST OF THAT, THE REST OF THAT LANGUAGE, I THINK WOULD WOULD CONTINUE TO APPLY. OKAY. OKAY. SO ARE WE INTERESTED IN MAKING LIKE TALKING ABOUT WHAT THAT CHARTER CHANGE WOULD BE OR. NO, I'D LIKE WOULD YOU LIKE TO? OKAY, MAYOR, LIKE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO TAKE IT OUT OF OUR HANDS. I DON'T WANT TO GIVE IT TO THE DISTRICT COURT OR THE CIRCUIT COURT, WHATEVER THAT IS. I BELIEVE THAT WE AS A CITY SHOULD HAVE THE FINAL SAY AS COUNCIL, BECAUSE WE'RE APPOINTING THE BOARD MEMBERS. I MEAN, GOING BACK TO THAT AND WE'RE DIRECTING THE BOARD MEMBERS, WHY SHOULD WE TELL THE CITIZENS THAT? WELL, YOU GOT DENIED. SO SEE, YOU NEVER BUY. YEAH. WHY DID IT GO TO THE COURT? WHY WAS THAT IN THAT WAY IN THE FIRST PLACE, HISTORICALLY, THAT'S THE BIG GUY. YEAH. IT PROVIDES A LEVEL

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THE COURTS HAVE TRADITIONALLY APPLIED AND CONSIDERED THOSE CASES ON ON THAT BASIS, I KNOW COUNCIL MEMBER LARUSSO AND I HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS PREVIOUSLY WHERE HE'S BROUGHT THIS ISSUE UP OF SAYING, YOU KNOW, PLANNING AND ZONING, CERTAIN PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD DECISIONS GO TO COUNCIL, WHERE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT GOES, GOES DIRECTLY TO CIRCUIT COURT. I ACTUALLY HAVE THE THE OPPOSITE VIEW. I WOULD LOVE IT IF, IF MANY OF THE FINAL DECISIONS OF BOTH PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD AND ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT WENT WENT DIRECTLY DIRECTLY TO CIRCUIT COURT. BUT AGAIN, THAT'S YOUR ULTIMATE DECISION BASED ON THE CODE LANGUAGE. BUT, YOU KNOW, I WILL JUST CAUTION RIGHT, THE, THE APPEAL PROCESS ON, ON THESE THINGS IS DIFFERENT THAN SOME OF THE WHEN PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MAKES RECOMMENDATIONS. AND THEN THIS PANEL IS THE FINAL DECISION MAKERS. COUNCIL MEMBER LARUSSO BROUGHT UP THE CAR WASH HERE ACROSS ON US ONE. IT WAS NOT A SCENARIO WHERE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD WAS MAKING A FINAL DECISION, AND THEN THAT DECISION WAS APPEALED. HERE.

THERE WAS A PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD TO MAKE PARTICULAR FINDINGS AND A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL, BECAUSE IN THAT CAPACITY, PLANNING ZONING BOARD ACTS AS AN ADVISORY BOARD TO COUNCIL, NOT AS A FINAL DECISION MAKER. AND IT WAS COUNCIL THAT MADE THAT FINAL DECISION BASED ON THE RECORD THAT WAS CREATED, CREATED HERE FOR ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND OTHER SCENARIOS WHERE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD IS MAKING A FINAL DECISION AND IT IS APPEALED TO COUNCIL. YOU'RE YOU'RE NOT YOU'RE NOT GETTING TO HIT THE RESET BUTTON AND SAY, WE'RE STARTING OVER. WE'RE HEARING EVERYTHING AGAIN. LET'S LET'S START OVER. IT'S FAR MORE A PROCESS OF WHAT HAPPENED AT THAT PREVIOUS HEARING. AND DID, DID THAT BOARD DO SOMETHING FUNDAMENTALLY WRONG IN THE WAY THAT THEY INTERPRETED THE CODE OR APPLIED, YOU KNOW, WHETHER OR NOT PARTICULAR, COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE EXISTED OR NOT. SO THAT WOULD JUST BE MY CAUTION OF IN THOSE APPEAL SCENARIOS. IT'S NOT A REHEARING, IT'S NOT A WE DISAGREE WITH WHAT THEY DID AND WE'RE MAKING A DIFFERENT DECISION. IT'S WAS THERE SOMETHING FUNDAMENTALLY WRONG IN THAT QUASI JUDICIAL PROCESS? OKAY, GOOD. SIR, I RESPECT YOUR OPINION, ADAM, ALTHOUGH I DO NOT AGREE WITH IT. I DO RESPECT IT BECAUSE YOU'RE SPLITTING THE BABY. YOU'RE SAYING IT'S OKAY FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING, BUT IT'S NOT OKAY FOR ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. SO AND AND IN OUR LAST COMMENT ON COUNCIL, LAST DISCUSSION ABOUT IT, YOU'RE VERY ADAMANT THAT YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE PLANNING ZONING BOARD TO GO TO CIRCUIT COURT VERSUS COMING BEFORE US. SO, SO I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS. THE WATERS GET VERY MUDDY, YOU KNOW, UNTIL IT COMES BACK TO US IN ORDINANCE FORM.

AND WE CAN DISCUSS EXACTLY WHAT STAFF HAS PUT ON PAPER. I THINK WE'RE JUST REACHING FOR THINGS THAT JUST DON'T EXIST RIGHT NOW. OKAY. SO SO YOU WANT TO PUT IT ON PAPER TO SEE WHAT WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT? WELL, YOU GUYS ARE GOING AHEAD WITH THE, WITH THE ORDINANCE FOR SO, SO WE CAN, WE CAN AMEND AN ORDINANCE DURING THE PROCESS OF READING THE ORDINANCE AND DOING IT, ALTHOUGH IT WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK FOR, YOU KNOW, ALL THE LEGALITIES AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

BUT WE HAVE THE FINAL SAY. SO IF WE DON'T LIKE THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN AND WE'LL HAVE IT BEFOREHAND, YOU'LL KNOW, THEN WE CAN THEN WE CAN MAKE OUR ARGUMENTS, YOU KNOW, IF AN ARGUMENT IS TO BE MADE. SO THAT'S ALL. I'LL TAKE A LOOK AT IT. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. YEAH.

OKAY. SO WE'RE GOOD. IS THAT WAS THAT WAS THAT CONSENSUS OR WAS THAT WHAT WERE YOU WHAT WAS YOUR READ ON THAT MAYOR? PERSONALLY, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A CONSENSUS. I DON'T THINK A CONSENSUS. I DON'T THINK THERE'S I DON'T THINK THERE'S CONSENSUS. THERE'S NO CONSENSUS. WE'RE TAKING A LOOK AT IT AS WE'RE MAKING THIS CHANGE. RIGHT, RIGHT. WE'LL HAVE IT EMBEDDED IN THE CHANGE. I THINK THAT'S THE CONFUSION THERE. LIKE, SO IS HE SENDING SOMETHING TO US TO LOOK AT TO SAY, OH, YEAH, I KNOW THAT WE DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH THAT BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD SEE SOMETHING IS IS COUNT. IS COUNCIL LOOKING FOR PROPOSED LANGUAGE FOR A CHARTER AMENDMENT TO MODIFY THE APPEAL PROCESS FOR ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, SUCH THAT A P SUCH THAT DENIED APPLICANTS OR OR REALLY AN A DECISION OF THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT CAN BE BROUGHT TO COUNCIL FOR AN APPEAL RATHER THAN DIRECTLY TO THE CIRCUIT APPELLATE COURT. WELL, I THINK YOU'RE MAYOR. I, I PERSONALLY THINK THAT THAT YOU'RE YOU'RE SPLITTING THIS THING. WHAT HAPPENS IF IF YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE TWO REFERENDUMS, HOW CAN YOU HAVE ONE REFERENDUM TO, TO CHANGE THE APPEAL PROCESS AND YET HAVE THAT SAME BOARD AS A REFERENDUM ITEM TO BE MERGED WITH ANOTHER BOARD? SO I DON'T SEE THE HOW

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BUT EVERY TIME I GO IN TO GET A PRESCRIPTION, WHICH IS I'VE BEEN ON FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, I HAVE TO GO BACK TO SQUARE ONE AGAIN. AND I'M LIKE, WHEN WE WERE WITH HEALTH FROM HEALTH FIRST TO AETNA, IT JUST FLOWED RIGHT OVER US. I HAD I'VE HAD JUST SOME MAJOR HAVING TO MAKE PHONE CALLS, SITTING FOR A WEEK WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, I'M LIKE, THIS SHOULD HAVE JUST FLOWED OVER. I THINK I'M A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED, A LOT DISAPPOINTED, NOT A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED. I FEEL LIKE WE GOT SOLD A BILL OF GOODS A LOT. AND HOW MUCH TIME HAVE WE BEEN SPENT ON THE PHONES THAT THINGS THAT SHOULD HAVE GONE STRAIGHT OVER WHEN WE WENT FROM, LIKE I SAID, HEALTH FIRST TO AETNA DIDN'T HAVE THIS PROBLEM. SAME MEDICATION. LUCKILY I'M GOING TO GET OFF OF IT, BUT I'M A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED. I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF WE WOULD GO BACK. I'M ASKING THAT WE NOT GO BACK TO BROWN AND BROWN, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THEY OVERSOLD OVERSOLD US THE PRODUCT. HAVE YOU SPOKEN WITH WITH THEM AT ALL. YEAH. OH YEAH. OH YEAH. I GOT THEM DONE. BROWN. I GOT THEIR NUMBER ON THE SPEED DIAL. HAVE YOU SPOKEN WITH THE ADVOCATE. YES I HAVE, I GOT THAT ONE ON SPEED DIAL, BUT IT'S TAKING A WEEK. YEAH.

THAT'S NEVER TAKEN US. I CALLED HER OUT ON THAT. I WILL SECOND WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO SO WE CAN MAKE IT FIXED. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE YOU KNOW, BUT I'M JUST FEELING LIKE, YOU KNOW. YEAH.

OKAY. BUT IT JUST FEELS LIKE I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO THINGS THAT I DID FIVE YEARS AGO. AND THEY WANT ME TO START OVER AND DO THE WHOLE PROCESS. WELL, THEY GO, WELL, YOU GOT A NEW SO WE HAVE TO START ALL OVER AGAIN. I'M LIKE, WHAT? SO THAT MEANS I'VE GOT TO GO. WOULD I HAVE TO GO BACK TO GO TO TESTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE FOR THIS THING? OH YEAH. WE'RE NOT JUST TALKING A LITTLE. YEAH, THAT'S WEIRD THAT THEY'RE DOING THAT. THAT'S NOT RIGHT. WELL, YOU KNOW, AND, AND ONE THING I DON'T WANT TO GET IN IS YOUR MEDICAL. YEAH. ANYTHING MEDICAL. HOWEVER, WHY DON'T YOU FIGURE PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER SO WE KIND OF ALL CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT IT'S JUST. YOU KNOW WHAT I UNDERSTAND IT'S JUST HARD TO SAY BECAUSE I WALK IN. HEY, YOUR PRESCRIPTION IS READY. YOU PICK UP YOUR PRESCRIPTION. OH, WELL, YOU ONLY HAVE SEVEN DAYS. WE ONLY COVER SEVEN DAYS OF IT. IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF TAX SEASON. I'M NOT MOST THRILLED, SO I END UP

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I'VE SPOKEN TO JENNY. WE'VE SAT DOWN AND WE STARTED TALKING. ONE WE WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT IS HOUSING GETTING MAYBE EXTRA HOUSING MONEY FOR DIFFERENT PROJECTS. ME, I WOULD LIKE OUTDOOR ACTIVITY AREAS BECAUSE WE REALLY DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF. DIFFERENT AREAS. WE DO HAVE PROPERTY. WE HAVE AREAS ON THE WEST SIDE OF 95. THAT'S WHERE OUR GROWTH IS GOING TO BE.

LET'S LOOK AT GETTING MONEY TOWARDS THAT. BUT FIELDS LIKE SOCCER FIELDS AND BASEBALL FIELDS AND AND THINGS LIKE THAT MOVING FORWARD, WE MIGHT NOT GET IT TODAY OR TOMORROW, BUT WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT COMING DOWN, DOWN THE PATH OF MAYBE GETTING THE MONEY FOR TO PUT TO, BOY, I CAN'T SPEAK TONIGHT, PROCURING PROPERTY OR GETTING THIS OR GETTING THE BALL FIELDS ALREADY IN THERE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE GROWTH IS GOING TO BE. I MEAN, I DON'T I DON'T MAYBE SOME OTHER PLACES IN THE CITY RIGHT NOW. I CAN'T THINK ABOUT IT, BUT IS THERE ANY CAN WE HAVE A COME BACK AND DISCUSS WHAT OTHER THINGS ANYBODY ELSE? MAYBE SOMEBODY HAS IT RIGHT NOW, WHAT WE WOULD LOOK FOR IN THE CITY, GETTING FEDERAL MONEY, DOLLARS FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, PUBLIC SAFETY, FIRE AND THE I KNOW THE FIRE. I WAS THINKING THE FIRE TRUCK.

YEAH, I KNOW FIRE TRAINING FACILITY, FIRE TRUCK. AND WE ALL RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM OUR CONGRESSMAN HARIDOPOLOS. I BELIEVE IF YOU REMEMBER BACK ABOUT A MONTH OR TWO AGO SAYING, PLEASE APPLY FOR FEDERAL MONEY. TELL ME WHAT YOU GOT. TELL ME, GIVE ME THE STORY, GIVE ME THE BACKUP LETTERS, GIVE ME ALL THE INFORMATION. AND HE SAID HE WOULD TRY AND DO WHAT HE COULD, BUT HE OPENED THAT UP. I'VE NEVER GOTTEN AN EMAIL LIKE THAT FROM ANY ELECTED OFFICIAL EVER.

IN TIME THAT I CAN REMEMBER THAT THE CONGRESSMAN IS SAYING, BRING ME YOUR PROBLEMS. LET ME HELP YOU SOLVE THEM. WE GOT A LOT OF THEM. YEAH. OKAY. SO WE'RE LOOKING I'M I WAS SAYING RECREATION, HOUSING. YOU'RE SAYING FIRE FIREHOUSE PUBLIC SAFETY. PUBLIC SAFETY. WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY PUBLIC. BECAUSE WE HAVE THREE LEAST THREE FIREHOUSES THAT HAVE TO BE DONE.

OKAY. FIREHOUSES. BUT PUBLIC SAFETY CAN MEAN A WHOLE LOT OF THAT. THAT TO ME IS LIKE A VERY GENERIC THAT'S WAY TOO BROAD. THAT'S A VERY GENERIC WORD. I'LL BRING YOU SOMETHING SPECIFIC FROM MY SIDE. OKAY. I WILL BRING YOU A SPECIFIC. WAIT A MINUTE. BUT JENNY, CAN HE BRING IT IN? HOW CAN HE BRING IT IN? I THINK IT WOULD BE BEST TO BRING UP AT, LIKE THE MEETING. YOU DON'T FLY OUT UNTIL THE END OF JUNE, SO MAYBE THE END OF MAY. SEE, HAVE

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COUNCIL, REAL QUICK, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU ALL FOR SUPPORTING THAT VOLUNTEER EXPO. AND I THINK YOU ALL RECEIVED A LETTER, AND I'LL JUST SORT OF READ IT OUT PUBLICLY, JUST SO IT'S ON RECORD FROM CHRISTIE STEWART SAYS MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WAIVING THE FEES FOR OUR FIRST MELBOURNE RESOURCE COLLABORATIVE VOLUNTEER EXPO. IT WAS A GREAT SUCCESS AND WE HOPE TO HOST THIS ANNUALLY. WE, THE NON-PROFITS, APPRECIATE ALL THE SUPPORT WE RECEIVED FROM THE CITY. GOD BLESS YOU.

KRISTEN STEWART, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF LOVE, INC. SO I JUST WANT TO PUBLICLY THANK YOU ALL FOR SUPPORTING THAT. AND AGAIN, THAT CAME FROM THAT HOMELESS WORKSHOP THAT WE DID A YEAR AGO. AND SO IT'S BEEN PROGRESSING. I'VE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH THE PALM BAY CHAMBER AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING, BREVARD INITIATIVE. SO LOTS OF CHANGES, BUT THE PROGRESS CONTINUES TO BE MADE. SO LOOK FORWARD TO MORE THINGS. MY SECOND THING, AND KEVIN, IF YOU COULD BRING UP, SINCE WE'VE DONE, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF GOOD TALK TONIGHT ABOUT THE MUNICIPAL BOARDS. AND I BROUGHT THIS UP A WHILE BACK, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I GAVE YOU ALL A TRUE VISUAL OF WHAT I WANTED TO PRESENT. SO ON THE LEFT, THAT WAS THE SPACE COAST TPO, THEY DID A ANNOUNCEMENT OF THEIR BOARD MEMBERS, AND I TALKED ABOUT IT, AND I THINK WE SORT OF HAD A LUKEWARM RESPONSE. AND ON THE RIGHT, I DID AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT I THINK THAT WHAT WE COULD DO FOR I CALL IT A STANDARDIZED MUNICIPAL BOARD PROFILE. AND WHAT IT IS, IS THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE A WIDE RANGE OF BOARDS AND COMMITTEES, AND WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION TONIGHT, BUT THE PROPOSAL IS TO RECOMMEND RECOMMEND STANDARDIZING PROFILE SO THAT WE WOULD HAVE A VISUAL AND A CLEARLY COMMUNICATES KEY INFORMATION ABOUT THE BOARDS, LIKE WHEN THEY MEET, WHO THE MEMBERS ARE AND IF THEY DON'T WANT THEIR PHOTO, YOU KNOW, TALK WITH THE CITY MANAGER JUST TO SORT OF GET SOME IDEAS. THEN WE THAT WILL BE JUST FINE TOO.

BUT I THINK DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS, BECAUSE WHEN THE SPACE COAST TPO AND THEY DID BOTH OF THEIR BOARDS, WHEN YOU WHEN YOU DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, NOW THAT PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO SHARE AND, AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE INFORMATION THAT'S ON THE RIGHT, IT SAYS HOW WE WANT YOU TO, HOW YOU CAN ENGAGE IN THE BOARD. IT TALKS ABOUT WHEN THE MEETING TIMES ARE FOR THE BOARD.

AND SO IT'S JUST ANOTHER WAY OF COMMUNICATING WHAT'S GOING ON ON BOARD. SO I GUESS I WANT YOU ALL TO SAY THAT THAT'S FINE. IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN WORK ON AND GET OUR BOARDS TO CREATE STANDARDIZED BOARD PROFILES. I THINK THAT'S ABOUT THE QUESTIONS. IF YOU GO WITH IT, I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TIMING BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TWO NEW BOARD MEMBERS UP HERE, TWO NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS UP HERE STARTING IN NOVEMBER, MAYBE THREE. I DON'T THINK SO, RACHEL, BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT TO TAKE EVERYTHING INTO CONSIDERATION. BUT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, HAVING THAT AS A FRESH START, YOU KNOW, BUT THIS IS FOR OUR 13 MUNICIPAL BOARDS, NOT JUST OUR BOARD. THAT'S JUST WE SHOULD START WITH WITH WITH OUR WITH US AND THEN TEST AND, YOU KNOW, PUT OUR TOE IN THE WATER AND SEE HOW THAT WOULD JUST BE MY SUGGESTION. THAT'S SORT OF OUR TEST. BUT MY ISSUE IS WHO'S GOING TO CONTINUOUSLY CHANGE THIS BECAUSE WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, ALL THE BOARDS AND ALL WHAT A 100/100 VOLUNTEERS, KEVIN'S, KEVIN'S. AND SO, YOU KNOW, EVERY ABOUT EVERY MEETING WE'RE ADDING, YOU KNOW, AND CHANGING PEOPLE THREE OR 4 OR 5 PEOPLE.

SO OR DO WE HAVE THE STAFF THAT CAN DO THIS? KEVIN, DO YOU HAVE SOME THOUGHTS ON THAT OR WHAT ARE YOUR FEEDBACK? I THINK I'LL JUST REPEAT THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN MADE ABOUT JUST THE FREQUENCY IN WHICH MEMBERS CHANGE ALTERNATES INTO REGULAR MEMBERS, CHAIR, NON CHAIR, VICE CHAIR. WHEN SOMEONE RESIGNS, WE'VE GOT TO UPDATE IT. SO A IT'S CERTAINLY AN EXTRA HOUR. WE EXPECTING A PROFESSIONAL HEADSHOT LIKE FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS OR JUST A PHOTO FROM. SO JUST YEAH. I'LL I'LL TAKE COUNCIL DIRECTION THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER. BUT IF WE HAVE TO GO DO HEADSHOTS, THAT'S GOING TO COST US. NO, NO, NOT PROFESSIONAL HEADSHOTS. JUST GET A PHOTO FROM THEM SO THAT THEY WANT TO REPRESENT THEMSELVES. I BET YOU'RE

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THEY DON'T CARE. SOME WON'T CARE AND OTHERS WILL SAY, NO, YOU'RE INVADING MY SPACE. I MAY BE SOME THAT REALLY. AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE AN UNCOMFORTABLE POSITION TO PUT SOME OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS IN. OKAY. GO AHEAD. SO ON OUR WEBSITE RIGHT NOW, I ASKED KEVIN TO PULL IT UP. WE DO HAVE A SECTION THAT TALKS ABOUT OUR MUNICIPAL BOARDS. IF YOU CLICK ON IT, IT DOES GIVE SORT OF A BRIEF EXPLANATION OF WHAT THE BOARD DOES. IT SAYS WHEN THE BOARD MEETS, AND THEN IT HAS A LINK TO THE MEETING AGENDAS AND MINUTES. SO I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH IS ASKING FOR IS TO, TO SORT OF USE THAT AS OUR BASIS AND THEN ADD THE HEADSHOTS TO IT, OR I'M NOT SURE WHAT COUNCIL AS A WHOLE IS THINKING OF, BUT THIS IS WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE FOR BOARDS. I JUST WANTED YOU TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE. WELL, I HAVE A I HAVE AN ISSUE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO ASK OUR BOARD MEMBERS, GIVE US A HEADSHOT, WE'RE GOING TO PUT YOU ON OUR CITY WEBSITE UNLESS YOU DON'T WANT TO. AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE FIVE HEADSHOTS AND A BUNCH OF NO PHOTOS HERE. AND I THINK THAT LOOKS MORE UNPROFESSIONAL THAN LAYING IT OUT AS, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE DO. THIS IS WHAT IT IS. I MEAN, I LIKE THE IDEA OF BEING ELECTED OFFICIAL TPO, YOU KNOW, YOU RAN FOR THAT FIGHT. YOU EARNED THAT SPOT, YOU KNOW, SO I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.

AND I THINK PEOPLE WANT TO ENGAGE WITH THEIR ELECTED OFFICIALS. BUT I THINK RIGHT OFF THE VOLUNTEER BOARDS, I DON'T SUPPORT THAT. I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW. SO THAT'S A GOOD IDEA THEORY. BUT WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO THE NITTY GRITTY, IT'S LIKE SO OTHER NON-PROFITS, THERE'S A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT. SO IT'S NOT THE TPO IS JUST THE ONE EXAMPLE THAT CAME THROUGH RECENTLY, BUT I MEAN, THEY'RE NON-PROFITS OR IF I, EVEN AFTER THE AMERICAN LEGION, RIGHT, YOU HAVE YOUR COMMAND BOARD, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS THAT SORT OF REPRESENT, BUT IT'S AN ORGANIZATION. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE HAVE THIS DISCUSSION BEFORE WE SAID WE NIXED. IT WASN'T NIXED. WELL, IT DOESN'T MATTER. WE STILL HAVE THE DISCUSSION. I MEAN, BUT I MEAN, DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO DO THAT? YEAH. GOOD MEETING MAYOR. I JUST I JUST WANT TO PUT MY $0.02 IN. I JUST THINK IT'S TOO BIG OF A TASK BECAUSE OF HOW MANY BOARDS WE HAVE AND HOW MANY PEOPLE WE HAVE ON THOSE BOARDS AND THE TURNOVER ON THOSE BOARDS. BECAUSE TO ME, THAT LOOKS LIKE SORT OF A PAMPHLET OR A ONE PAGER FOR EVERY BOARD. AND THEN. AND THEN CHANGING OUT PHOTOS AS PEOPLE COME. THAT'S JUST A LOT. AND IT'S A LOT OF WORK FOR US. YOU KNOW, OUR NAMES GO OUT THERE. THAT'S WHAT, YOU KNOW, WE RAN.

THAT'S WHAT WE EXPECT. WE EXPECT OUR NAMES, OUR PICTURES AND EVERYTHING ELSE. I DON'T KNOW IF THE BOARD, THE VOLUNTEER BOARDS EXPECT THEIR NAMES TO BE OUT THERE IN THE PUBLIC FOR PEOPLE THEN TO BE CALLING, HEY, YOU DIDN'T VOTE MY WAY. I DON'T WANT TO PUT THEM IN THAT POSITION. THAT'S WELL. AND I BY. VICE MAYOR, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU. I'M LOOKING AT THAT. THAT'S ALREADY OUTDATED. TPO YEAH. BECAUSE IN COMMISSIONER KATIE DELANEY

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SO GOOD. LET ME SEE. FIRST THING IS WE TALKED WE SPOKE ABOUT IT EARLIER THIS EVENING, BUT I'D BE REALLY INTERESTED, MISS LIAM, IF YOU COULD GET THE FUEL COSTS FROM LAST YEAR TO WHAT WE'RE PAYING THIS YEAR AND WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS BETWEEN, IT'S GOING TO GIVE US A ROADMAP DURING OUR BUDGET CONVERSATIONS AS WELL. SO STARTING IN FEBRUARY, I GUESS FEBRUARY, MARCH, APRIL, HOWEVER LONG THE INCREASE IN FUEL COSTS HAVE BEEN GOING ON. SO I WOULD LIKE TO ASK FOR THAT. I WANT TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF, AND I'M GOING TO CHALLENGE EVERYBODY BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT YOUR DISTRICTS. AND SO I'M GOING TO BRING SOME DISTRICT INFORMATION, DISTRICT TWO, AND GIVE YOU THE GOOD AND THE BAD. AND SO I CHALLENGE EVERYBODY TO BRING SOMETHING ABOUT THEIR DISTRICT, GOOD OR BAD, EVERY MEETING. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO MY GOOD AND BAD IS THAT RIVERSIDE DRIVE BETWEEN CORAL WAY AND FALCON, WHICH IS THE FRONT OF THE SANCTUARY, HAS BEEN CLOSED SINCE JANUARY FOR DRAINAGE ISSUES. THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC FOR MORNING TRAFFIC AND EVENING TRAFFIC, BOTH BOTH RUSH HOURS. AND DURING SPRING BREAK. IT WAS ABSOLUTELY INSANE. THAT PARADISE BOULEVARD BECAME BACKED UP FROM A1 ALL THE WAY TO RIVERSIDE, WITH LOCALS TRYING TO GET HOME BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T GO DOWN RIVERSIDE ANYMORE. YOU HAD TO CUT DOWN, GO ACROSS AND THEN COME UP AND THEN GO UP ALL GALLEY BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T GET THAT WAY FOR FOUR MONTHS. AND THEY'RE PROPOSING TO DO IT AGAIN FOR ANOTHER SIX WEEKS. BUT WE KNOW WHAT THE COUNTY DOES. THEY SAY SIX WEEKS, THEN IT'S GOING TO BE THREE MONTHS TO DO ANOTHER PORTION OF THAT. NOW, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S NOT NEEDED AND THAT THE THESE IMPROVEMENTS AND THESE DRAINAGE ISSUES DON'T EXIST, BUT I THINK THAT THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME SORT OF CONTROL MECHANISM THAT YOU CAN'T SHUT DOWN A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE, YOU KNOW, IN A COMMUNITY FOR 4 TO 5 MONTHS TO, TO AT LEAST OPEN ONE LANE OR SOMETHING. I THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT OUR CHALLENGE IS RIGHT NOW, TRYING TO GET AROUND PARADISE BOULEVARD IS A, IS A NIGHTMARE. IT REALLY IS A, YOU KNOW WHAT SHOW EVERY SINGLE DAY CAN'T GET ACROSS IT CAN'T GO AROUND IT. AND TO ADD INSULT TO INJURY, THEY ARE PUTTING IN ANOTHER FDOT IS PUTTING IN ANOTHER CROSSWALK WITH THE FLASHING YELLOW LIGHTS JUST NORTH OF CROWN PLAZA BETWEEN EAST CORAL WAY AND SAND PINE. AND SO NOW THAT'S BEEN DRAWN DOWN TO ONE ON A1 A GOING NORTH AND SOUTH. THAT'S BEEN DRAWN DOWN TO ONE ONE LANE IN BOTH WAYS AS WELL TOO. SO IT'S A PERFECT STORM. I MEAN OUT THERE RIGHT NOW. SO I JUST WANT THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON IN MY DISTRICT OVER THERE. I'LL BRING SOMETHING ABOUT O'GALLEY MAYBE NEXT TIME. BUT THIS IS THIS IS REALLY CONCERNING FOR ME. IT REALLY IS. AND THE FACT IS SO CONCERNED IS BECAUSE PARADISE BOULEVARD IS TAKING IS ACCEPTING MORE VEHICLES THAN IT WAS DESIGNED TO TAKE. SO IT'S GOING TO WEAR DOWN FURTHER AND IT'S GOING TO WEAR DOWN FASTER. SO WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE IN OUR WORLD. THE OTHER THING IS THAT I THINK THAT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY ABOUT THAT. BUT I WANT TO GIVE YOU, OH, I WILL TALK ABOUT IT. OKAY. KEVIN, COULD YOU BRING UP THAT PICTURE, PLEASE? WE HAVE A REALLY GOOD PARTNER WITH THE ROTARY CLUB. IF YOU LOOK AT THE BAND SHELL, THERE'S A ROTARY LOGO UP ON TOP OF IT IN THE SQUARE, AND THE ROTARY CLUB IS PUT IN. SO THAT'S THE FIRST. GO TO THE SECOND ONE, PLEASE. THAT'S THAT'S THE DIALS. AND THEN THE THIRD ONE, PLEASE. THEY ARE INSTALLING THIS. THERE'S A LITTLE HITCH IN IN IN THE PROCESS IN CITY HALL. BUT THEY GOT THROUGH IT. THIS IS GOING INTO THE O'GALLEY SQUARE PROBABLY WITHIN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO. AND SO THAT'S A REALLY GOOD THING VERSUS THE REALLY BAD THING THAT'S HAPPENED ON THE OTHER SIDE. SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING YOUR ATTENTION TO THAT AND THAT THESE ARE, AGAIN, THE ROTARY CLUB HAS BEEN A TREMENDOUS PARTNER FOR US.

THEY WERE THE FIRST P3 THAT I EXPERIENCED BACK IN 2005, 2004, 2006. I DON'T KNOW, IT DOESN'T MATTER AROUND THERE, GIVE OR TAKE. SO WHEN YOU GET THERE AND YOU SEE THE CLOCK, MAKE MENTION OF IT, YOU KNOW, POINT IT OUT, PUT IT ON YOUR FACEBOOK POST, WHATEVER IT MAY BE. AND THAT'S ALL I GOT. MAYOR. OKAY, VICE MAYOR, WE'RE GETTING AROUND GRADUATION TIME, SO I'M NOT

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