May 26, 2026 City Council

[1. Invocation - Vice Mayor Julie Kennedy]

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THE MAY 26TH, 2026 REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING. BEFORE WE BEGIN THE MEETING, LET ME REVIEW THE PROCEDURES FOR THE MEETING. IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK, COMPLETE A REQUEST TO SPEAK FORM LOCATED IN THE ENTRANCE TO THE COUNCIL CHAMBER AND SUBMIT IT TO THE SERGEANT AT ARMS. WHEN YOUR NAME HAS BEEN CALLED YOU, THE MICROPHONE AT THE LECTERN ON THE AUDIENCE'S RIGHT AND EITHER STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS OR YOUR NAME AND CITY. BE MINDFUL. THE TIMER. PLEASE WRAP UP YOUR COMMENTS BEFORE YOUR SPEAKING TIME ENDS. THE TIME LIMITS ARE POSTED ON THE REQUEST TO SPEAK FORM AN APPLICANT REPRESENTATIVE. A PERSON WITH A LEGAL STANDING TO SUPPORT OR OPPOSE A QUASI JUDICIAL MATTER WILL BE PERMITTED ENOUGH TIME TO BE DETERMINED BY THE CITY COUNCIL TO CREATE A RECORD BEFORE THE COUNCIL. ANY PERSON WHO MAKES A PERSONAL OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS OR BECOMES BOISTEROUS WHILE ADDRESSING THE CITY COUNCIL WILL BE ORDERED TO LEAVE THE COUNCIL CHAMBER. WE THANK YOU FOR JOINING US THIS EVENING.

WE'LL BEGIN WITH THE INVOCATION. IF YOU WISH TO PARTICIPATE, PLEASE STAND AND THE INVOCATION TONIGHT WILL BE GIVEN BY VICE MAYOR JULIE KENNEDY. LET US BOW OUR HEADS. HEAVENLY FATHER, WE COME BEFORE YOU WITH GRATITUDE FOR THE BLESSINGS OF THIS DAY AND FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE THE PEOPLE OF MELBOURNE. AS WE GATHER TO CONDUCT THE BUSINESS OF THIS CITY, WE HUMBLY ASK FOR YOUR GUIDANCE, WISDOM, AND CLARITY IN EVERY DECISION WE MAKE DURING THIS MEMORIAL DAY WEEK, WE PAUSE TO REMEMBER AND HONOR THE BRAVE MEN AND WOMEN WHO GAVE THEIR LIVES IN SERVICE TO OUR NATION. WE ARE MINDFUL THAT THE FREEDOMS WE ENJOY AND THE RESPONSIBILITY WE CARRY IN THIS CHAMBER COME AT A GREAT COST. HELP US TO LEAD IN A WAY THAT HONORS THEIR SACRIFICE WITH INTEGRITY, COURAGE, AND A COMMITMENT TO THE GREATER GOOD.

GRANT US DISCERNMENT AS WE FACE IMPORTANT MATTERS BEFORE US TONIGHT. MAY OUR DISCUSSIONS BE THOUGHTFUL, OUR ACTIONS BE JUST, AND OUR DECISIONS REFLECT WHAT IS BEST FOR THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. HELP US TO LISTEN WITH OPEN MINDS, SPEAK WITH RESPECT, AND WORK TOGETHER IN UNITY, EVEN WITH EVEN WHEN PERSPECTIVES DIFFER. WE ALSO ASK FOR YOUR CONTINUED BLESSINGS ON THE RESIDENTS OF MELBOURNE. KEEP THEM SAFE, STRENGTHEN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS, AND GUIDE US AS STEWARDS OF THE CITY WE ARE PRIVILEGED TO SERVE. IN YOUR NAME WE PRAY. AMEN.

[2. Pledge of Allegiance]

[3. Roll Call]

COUNCILMEMBER LARUSSO, VICE MAYOR KENNEDY HERE. MAYOR ALFRED AND I AM PRESENT AS WELL.

[4. Proclamations and Presentations]

OH THAT'S FINE. SO WE'LL START OUT WITH NATASHA SAUNDERS. 20 YEARS. HOW ARE YOU DOING 20, 20, 20 YEARS WITH THE FIRE OPERATIONS POLICE. WELL POLICE AND FIRE. WELL PUBLIC SAFETY.

SO I'M GOING TO GIVE THIS TO HER. I DON'T BUTCHER IT. HOW'S THAT? OKAY. THANK YOU. SO NATASHA BEGAN HER CAREER WITH THE CITY OF MELBOURNE ON MAY 22ND, 2006 AS A CLERICAL ASSISTANT, ONE IN THE RECORDS SECTION OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. THROUGH HER DEDICATION AND STRONG WORK ETHIC, SHE STEADILY ADVANCED WITH THE DEPARTMENT, EARNING A PROMOTION TO CLERICAL ASSISTANT THREE IN AUGUST OF 2011, FOLLOWED BY A PROMOTION TO RECORD SUPERVISOR IN JUNE OF 2015. AFTER MORE THAN 15 OR 16 YEARS OF SERVICE WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, NATASHA TRANSFERRED TO THE MELBOURNE FIRE DEPARTMENT IN NOVEMBER OF 2022, WHERE SHE CURRENTLY SERVES AS AN ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT. THREE UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF CHIEF LEACH. I KNOW THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WAS VERY SAD TO SEE YOU LEAVE.

THROUGHOUT HER CAREER, NATASHA HAS REMAINED DEDICATED AND HER SUPPORT IN SUPPORTING FIRST RESPONDERS BY PROVIDING DEPENDABLE SUPPORT TO LEADERSHIP AND STAFF, AND IMPROVING PROCESSES THAT HELP PERSONNEL PERFORM THEIR JOBS MORE EFFICIENTLY. OUTSIDE OF WORK. NATASHA IS A DEVOTED WIFE AND MOTHER. SHE AND HER HUSBAND, DAMON, HAVE BEEN MARRIED FOR 20 YEARS AND ARE PROUD PARENTS OF THEIR TWO CHILDREN, LOGAN AND MACIE AND DAMON. LOGAN AND MACY ARE HERE WITH US TONIGHT, SO THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. MUCH OF NATASHA'S FREE TIME IS DEDICATED TO SUPPORTING HER CHILDREN'S ACTIVITIES, INCLUDING HER SON'S CROSS COUNTRY AND TRACK MEETS AND HER DAUGHTER'S VOLLEYBALL GAMES. SO I WANT TO PERSONALLY THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THE SUPPORT THAT YOU'VE PROVIDED, NOT JUST POLICE AND FIRE, BUT THROUGH

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GREAT. THANK YOU. AND YOU SHOULD GET DOWN THERE. SORRY TO. WELL, HOPE YOU'RE OKAY. YOU'RE BEHIND. THREE, TWO. YEAH. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANKS. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON

[5. Approval of Minutes - May 12, 2026 Regular Meeting]

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[6. City Manager's Report]

HERE WE GO. FIRST, I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THE JOE DAVIS COMMUNITY CENTER, THAT THE GYM AND MULTI-PURPOSE ROOM IS OPENING NEXT MONDAY. I KNOW THAT'S TAKEN QUITE A WHILE, BUT WE. IT IS. WITH THE OPENING OF SUMMER CAMPS, IT IS WELL NEEDED. THE TIMING COULDN'T HAVE BEEN ANY LATER. SO THAT'S. THAT'S GOOD NEWS. ALSO, I DID WANT TO BRING UP AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE FEDERAL LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES. AND SO IF ANY OF YOU, ANY OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE ANYTHING THEY'D LIKE ME TO ADD IN ADVANCE, IF YOU COULD PLEASE CONTACT ME. AND I WILL ADD THAT SO THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, BUT WE STILL HAVE TIME TO ADD DURING OUR DISCUSSION ITEM. AND THEN LAST BUT NOT LEAST, DOTTIE CONTACTED ME LAST WEEK REGARDING RAIL CROSSING ELIMINATIONS. SO THIS IS A RECURRING THEME, AND I JUST WANTED YOU AWARE THAT IT'S IT'S COMING BACK. THEY ARE REVIEWING SEVERAL CROSSINGS BETWEEN HIBISCUS AND 192. AND THEN THEY ARE ALSO LOOKING AT CROSSINGS BETWEEN CRANE CREEK AND UNIVERSITY. AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE GETTING BACK TO US. I TOLD THEM WE'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH THIS EXERCISE, AND I TOLD THEM THAT I COULD PROVIDE THEM SOME OF OUR SOME OF THE PAST INFORMATION WE PROVIDED TO THEM, ALONG WITH COUNCIL VOTES, ON WHICH ONES WE DID NOT WANT TO ELIMINATE. AND SO WE ARE BEGINNING THAT PROCESS NOW. I WILL KEEP YOU UPDATED THROUGH EVERY STEP OF THAT. SO. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS LAMB? OKAY. OH THANK YOU REBECCA, I WOULD LIKE I WANT TO TAKE A MINUTE OF YOUR TIME. I WOULD LIKE TO PLAY THE MOST RECENT VERSION OF THE MELBOURNE MINUTE JUST TO JUST SO THAT EVERYONE HERE CAN SEE IT AND THAT COUNCIL CAN SEE IT COMES TOGETHER AT TRASH BASH. THE CITY GETS NEW GENERATORS AT ITS LIFT STATIONS, AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT GETS SOME NEW THREADS. ALL HAPPENING RIGHT NOW ON THIS MELBOURNE MINUTE THIS APRIL, OVER 150 MELBOURNE RESIDENTS TURNED OUT TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS YEAR'S TRASH BASH AND PICKED UP OVER 3,800 POUNDS OF TRASH. I LIKE SEEING ALL THE PEOPLE THAT REALLY WANT TO HELP THE EARTH. I HAVE PEOPLE FROM ALL BACKGROUNDS HELPING PUT ON THIS EVENT AND IT'S JUST IT'S A WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL EVENT. WE DO THIS ANNUALLY. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO GET INVOLVED WITH NEXT YEAR'S TRASH BASH OR THE ADOPT A ROAD PROGRAM EMAIL, ADOPT A ROAD@MLB.ORG. THANKS IN PART TO FUNDING AWARDED BY THE HAZARD MITIGATION GRANT, MELBOURNE WAS ABLE TO REPLACE FIVE GENERATORS AT LIFT STATIONS LOCATED ACROSS THE CITY WITH A LIFT STATION. HAS TO DO IS LIFT LIFT IT BACK UP SO THAT IT CAN GO GRAVITY.

BECAUSE IF YOU JUST LET THE SEWER GO DOWN, THEN A MANHOLE WILL BE 50FT DEEP. SO WHAT A LIFT STATION DOES IS IT LIFTS THE WATER UP UNTIL IT GETS TO THE PLANT. THE GENERATORS HELP ENSURE THAT OUR LIFT STATIONS HAVE DEPENDABLE POWER TO KEEP THAT WATER MOVING. DID YOU KNOW OUR FIREFIGHTERS TURNOUT GEAR IS CUSTOM TAILORED TO FIT EACH FIREFIGHTER, JUST LIKE THEY'RE GETTING MEASURED FOR SUIT? WHEN YOU'RE IN A FIRE, THAT HEAT CAN ACTUALLY TRANSFER THROUGH THE YOUR GEAR ENSEMBLE TO YOUR PERSON, SO MAKING SURE THAT IT'S CUSTOM FIT TO YOU HAS LESS CHANCE OF THAT HAPPENING. AND THAT'S IT FOR THIS MELBOURNE MINUTE. BE SURE TO VISIT MELBOURNE, FLORIDA.ORG/MINUTE TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT THESE STORIES AND KEEP UP ON WHAT'S HAPPENING IN MELBOURNE. THANK YOU FOR INDULGING ME ON THAT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

[7. Public Comments]

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[8. Ordinance No. 2026-22, Mayfair Community Development District Contraction: (Second Reading/Public Hearing) An ordinance amending City Code, Chapter 20, Article IX, Section 20-289 and Section 20-291, regarding a contraction to the jurisdictional boundaries of the Mayfair Community Development District. (Applicant/Representative - Mayfair Community Development District) (P&Z Board - 4/16/2026) (First Reading - 5/12/2026)]

REPORT ON. THIS IS NOT MISS ANY DITTMAR. THE PART OF CINDY DITTMAR WILL BE PLAYED BY CHERYL DEAN. HOW ARE YOU DOING? I'M GREAT THANK YOU. STEPH HAS NOTHING FURTHER TO ADD FOR SECOND READING. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS DEAN? ALL RIGHT. THIS IS A QUASI JUDICIAL ITEM AND DISCLOSURES. I KNOW NO DISCLOSURES. WE DO HAVE ONE SIGN UP SHEET. GINGER. IS IT JUST FOR FOR JUST FOR QUESTIONS. JUST ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ANY QUESTIONS FOR GINGER. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THEN I'LL BRING BACK TO COUNCIL MAYOR. GO AHEAD. MOTION FOR THE APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 2026-22. BASED UPON THE FINDINGS CONTAINED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEMORANDUM, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND BY MR. SMITH. YES.

OKAY. WE'LL DO A ROLL CALL VOTE. COUNCILMEMBER NEWMAN, COUNCILMEMBER BASSETT, COUNCILMEMBER HANLEY, COUNCILMEMBER SMITH, COUNCILMEMBER LARUSSO, VICE MAYOR KENNEDY, MAYOR ALFREY. THAT MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU MA'AM. MOVING ON TO

[9. Ordinance No. 2026-23, Modifications to Affordable Housing Development: (Second Reading/Public Hearing) An ordinance amending City Code, Appendix B, Article V, Section 4, Affordable Housing Development, to be consistent with the definition of affordable housing and application of such to Live Local Act projects as defined within Florida Statutes. (P&Z Board 4/16/2026) (First Reading - 5/12/2026)]

REPORTING ON THIS IS CHERYL AGAIN. STAFF AGAIN, SECOND READING. NOTHING ELSE TO ADD.

OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS TEEN? ALL RIGHT. NOW THE PUBLIC HEARING WE HAVE NO SIGN UP SHEETS. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL, MAYOR. GO AHEAD. SIR.

MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 2026-23. BASED UPON THE FINDINGS CONTAINED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEMORANDUM. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION BY MR. NEWMAN. SECOND, BY MISS BASSETT FOR ITEM NUMBER NINE ROLL CALL. VOTE, PLEASE. COUNCILMEMBER NEWMAN, COUNCILMEMBER BASSETT, COUNCILMEMBER HANLEY, COUNCILMEMBER SMITH, COUNCILMEMBER LARUSSO. VICE MAYOR KENNEDY. MAYOR ALFRED I VOTE AYE. AND THAT MOTION

[10. Contract for Professional Engineering Services for Pavement Management, Project No. 68124, Michael Baker International, Inc., Jacksonville, FL - $364,423.26.]

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WE HAVE SEEN SOME ROADS DETERIORATE MUCH FASTER THAN THEY WERE TEN YEARS AGO. AND SO I THINK THEY RECOMMEND TO DO THESE STUDIES ABOUT EVERY SEVEN YEARS OR SO. IT'S 5 TO 7, 5 TO 7 YEARS, AND WE'VE PUSHED THAT TO 10 TO 11 YEARS. AND SO THAT'S WHY IT IS TIME TO DO THIS. IT ALSO TAKES OUT THE HUMAN. THIS ROAD LOOKS WORSE THAN THIS ROAD WHEN THE REALITY IS, IS WE ARE APPLYING SET STANDARDS TO GIVE THOSE ROADS SCORES. AND IT HELPS US RANK AND DETERMINE WHICH ROADS TO DO FIRST. OKAY, SO BUT THEY'RE APPLYING HUMAN NATURE AS WELL TO, TO, AND THEIR BACKGROUND IN DETERMINING WHAT YOU SAID IS, YOU KNOW, WE TRY TO DETERMINE FIVE, TEN, 20 YEARS OR WHATEVER IT IS. I JUST SEE IT AS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN IF WE'VE BEEN SO IF WE'VE BEEN SCREWING UP SO BAD, YOU KNOW, ON OUR ON OUR ROADS, I MEAN, WE'VE GOT 300, WE GOT ALMOST $400,000 HERE THAT I REMEMBER THIS MAN THAT USED TO SIT HERE, SORRY, NOT YOU, BUT TIM THOMAS FOUGHT LIKE HELL FOR EVERY NICKEL AND DIME FOR THE PAVEMENT PROCESS. AND SO NOW THIS IS TAKING AWAY EVERY NICKEL AND DIME FOR A HALF A MILE. IT IS. YOU CAN SEE MY CONCERN, I DO. I'M NOT TRYING TO ARGUE WITH YOU. I'M JUST BEING PASSIONATE ABOUT WHAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH OVER THESE PAST YEARS AND YEARS. AND HOW FAR ARE WE BEHIND ON PAVING PROCESS? I DON'T KNOW A LOT. OKAY, SO A LOT IS TEN MILES, A LOT IS 20 MILES. IF YOU WE'RE PROBABLY THE COUNTY THAT A LOT IS 50 MILES. RIGHT? SO SO WE WERE SO FAR BEHIND TEN YEARS AGO THAT WE HAD 70% OF THE ROADWAYS IN A FAILING CONDITION. SO I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT OUR CURRENT CONDITION IS. I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT IMPROVEMENTS WE'VE MADE BASED UPON WHAT. AND YOU'RE NOT THE ENGINEER. AND I WOULD NEVER EXPECT THAT OUT OF YOU. AND I AM AN ENGINEER. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN THOUGH? YEAH, I DO, I DO, BUT I CAN'T GIVE I CAN'T TELL THE CITY HOW WELL WE'RE DOING. THERE'S NO GOOD WAY FOR US TO TELL US HOW WELL WE'VE DONE OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS. AND ARE WE MAKING ANY PROGRESS? THERE'S ALSO SOME NEWER TECHNOLOGY ON HOW TO RESURFACE ROADWAYS AND ADDITIVES AND THINGS THAT ARE BEING ADDED TO THAT. WE'RE HOPING TO BE ABLE TO GET A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION, SO MAYBE WE CAN SET A THING TO DO ROADWAYS EVERY 20 YEARS. WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO PUSH IT TO EVERY 30 YEARS, SO WE CAN BE A LITTLE MORE BUDGET CONSCIOUS IN THE SENSE THAT WE CAN STRETCH THOSE ROADWAYS. WE'VE GOT A COUPLE PLACES IN TOWN. AGAIN, WE'RE SEEING SOME DETERIORATION THAT WE HAVEN'T WE DID NOT ANTICIPATE. SO I, I PERSONALLY GET A PHONE CALL FROM A CITIZEN. THEY CALL IN AND SAY, HEY, I WANT STREET X, Y, Z RESURFACED. SO I GO TO THE LIST AND I PULL IT UP AND I CHECK THE SCORE.

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IT'LL ALSO HELP US BE ABLE TO BETTER PLAN FOR IN THE FUTURE. SO WE'VE GOT ROADWAYS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO SCHEDULE FOR RESURFACING, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO DECIDE, IS THIS STREET IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND COUNCIL DISTRICT TWO? IS IT MORE DETERIORATED THAN THIS SAME SAME LINEAR FOOTAGE OF ROADWAY AND COUNCIL DISTRICT SIX? WELL, THEY HAVE THE SAME SCORES IN THE OLD STUDY. THE NEW STUDY IS GOING TO GIVE US A NEW UPDATE SO WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHICH ONES NEED TO BE PRIORITIZED. SO I'M NOT TRYING TO DOWNGRADE THIS. I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND A PATHWAY TO FOR MYSELF TO VOTE YAY OR NAY. AND I GET THAT. AND I THINK YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB ON THAT BECAUSE DISTRICT TWO, AS YOU MENTIONED, WE JUST HAD AN UNUSUAL CIRCUMSTANCE WITH RIVERSIDE BEING CLOSED AND PARADISE BOULEVARD BEING USED AT THE EXTENT OF PROBABLY 100,000 TO 150,000 MORE CARS IN THE FIVE MONTHS THAT IT EXISTS. AND WE HAD JUST DONE SOME REPAIRS ON PARADISE. AND WE'RE SEEING THOSE HAVE HELD UP FAIRLY WELL. I WILL TELL YOU THAT IF WE HADN'T MADE THOSE REPAIRS AHEAD OF TIME, WE WOULD BE HAVING TO DO THEM NOW. AND I'M THE ONE WHO CALLS ALL THE TIME AND SAYS I DRIVE IT EVERY DAY. SO THERE'S A POTHOLE HERE, THERE'S POTHOLE THERE. AND MISS LAMB IS VERY. AND THAT ROADWAY HAD BEEN RESURFACED WITHIN THE LAST 15 YEARS. I FEEL LIKE MY YOUNGEST WAS A BABY WHEN THAT HAPPENED. IF THAT'S VERY TRUTHFUL, BECAUSE I LIVE NOT FAR FROM PARADISE. AND SO IT IT VERY MUCH SHOCKED ME ON HOW THAT ROAD FELL APART IN A COUPLE PLACES. AND WE HAD THOSE POTHOLES AND NEEDED TO. YEAH, IT WAS ABOUT 20 YEARS. AND JACK SCHLUCKEBIER WAS WAS IN THE CHAIR OVER THERE. AND SO YEAH, SO ANYWAY, IT WAS A BATTLE. LOOK, MY JOB IS TO ASK THE QUESTIONS. MY JOB IS TO FIND OUT WHY WE'RE SPENDING $364,000 MORE AND TAKING OUT OF A PROJECT OF A BUDGET THAT WE'RE TRYING TO INCREASE THE MONEY. NOW WE'RE TAKING AWAY THE MONEY TO THE ACTUAL PROCESS OF, OF, OF THE MANUFACTURING OF THE ROADS. SO THAT'S MY ONLY QUESTIONS. I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. AND I'M SORRY IF I THOSE ARE THAT'S WHAT I'M HERE FOR. I'M SUPPOSED TO ANSWER THOSE KIND OF QUESTIONS. I JUST APOLOGIZE THAT I COULDN'T REMEMBER THE MATH OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. MY CALCULATOR IS BACK THERE. THAT'S OKAY. MY CALCULATOR IS IN HERE AND I KNOW WHAT'S COMING OUT OF TALLAHASSEE. I KNOW WHAT'S COMING UP IN FRONT OF US AS FAR AS THE BUDGET. YEAH, WE JUST WANT TO BE THE MOST EFFICIENT. WE DON'T WANT TO INADVERTENTLY PAVE A ROADWAY THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET ANOTHER 4 OR 5 YEARS OUT OF IT WHEN WE HAVE ONE THAT'S COMPLETELY NEEDS TO BE DONE NOW. SO THIS IS GOING TO HELP US PRIORITIZE THOSE ROADWAYS. ARE WE GOING TO REPEAT? ARE WE GOING TO REPLACE THAT 364,000 WITH SOMETHING ELSE IN ORDER SO THAT WE DON'T LOSE A HALF A MILE? WHAT DO YOU MEAN REPLACE IT? WE'RE TAKING $364,000 OUT OF OUR PAVING PROGRAM. I'M JUST GOING TO KEEP IT SIMPLE. AND SO YOU SAID THAT REPRESENTS ABOUT A HALF A MILE, GIVE OR TAKE. SO WE SO WE'RE GIVING UP A HALF A MILE OF PAVING. ARE WE GOING TO GET SOMETHING BACK TO REPLACE THAT HALF A MILE? WE DON'T NEED TO.

THAT COULD BE ONE THAT COULD BE ONE ON ONE CONVERSATIONS. I GET IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH, I APPRECIATE IT. SORRY FOR THE MAYOR ELONGATION OF THAT ACTUALLY. GO AHEAD. AND THEN.

MR. NO THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN LARUSSO. WE BRING UP A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT CONCERNS THAT I WOULD HAVE ALSO. SO IN LOOKING AT THIS, IT SETS THE SCOPE OF SERVICES IS TO PROVIDE GENERAL AND INVENTORY, ASSESS CONDITIONS, CATEGORIZE THOSE CONDITIONS, AND PROVIDE A PRIORITIZED LIST OF ROADWAYS. RIGHT. AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE DO EVERY SEVEN YEARS.

IS THAT WHAT I HEARD THE LAST TIME WE DID IT WAS IN 2015. WELL, IT'S PROBABLY DONE IN 2014. THE REPORT WAS ISSUED IN 2015. OKAY. AND WAS IT WITH THE SAME COMPANY? NO. DIFFERENT.

DIFFERENT COMPANY, DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGY AND DIFFERENT TYPE OF FINAL PRODUCT THAT COMES TO US. OKAY. AND THEN ONCE WE HAVE THIS FINAL PRODUCT, THIS WILL THEN ALLOW US TO HAVE A PRIORITIZED LIST. AND THE FUNDING THAT HE BRINGS UP A GOOD POINT THAT THIS MONEY NOW, AND I THINK IT'S LIKE IT'S ABOUT 100,000 MORE THAN WHAT WE PAID IN 2015. OR IS IT WHAT WAS THE APPROXIMATE BECAUSE I SAW SOMETHING HERE FOR FISCAL YEAR WAS TWO, I THINK IT WAS 264 FOR 23. YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE BUDGET ADJUSTMENT WHEN WE PAID FOR IT IN 2015, I THINK IT WAS ABOUT 100 OR $150,000 AT THAT TIME, I THINK IT WAS. AND THAT WAS TEN, 11 YEARS AGO. YEAH. OKAY. AND WE HAVEN'T DONE IT FOR THE PAST TEN YEARS. NO, SIR. OKAY. SO THIS SHOULD HOPEFULLY LAST US ANOTHER TEN PLUS YEARS. AND WE CAN USE THIS AS, AS OUR AND WE CAN MAP ON, ON, ON WHICH ROADS

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DID YOU KNOW IN DECEMBER 12TH, WHEN YOU GUYS PUT THIS OUT, THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO COME BEFORE HERE AND TAKE THIS MONEY OUT OF THIS FUND TO PAY FOR. WE DID NOT KNOW. WHEN YOU DO AN RFQ, YOU DON'T ALWAYS KNOW YOU ANTICIPATE A BUDGET, BUT SOMETIMES MARKET CHANGES. AND WE HADN'T DONE ONE IN SO LONG. SO WE WERE NOT 100% SURE ON THE ORIGINAL BUDGETING OF HOW WELL THAT WAS GOING TO HAVE, HOW FAR THAT WAS GOING TO GO. OKAY. GOT IT. SO, SO IT JUST BECAUSE IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT THE BUDGETED WAS VERSUS IT'S ABOUT $100,000. AND THEN SECONDLY, WHICH WAS THE MORE PERTINENT QUESTION THAT I HAD WAS THERE'S, THERE'S A SENSE AT THE END. AND, YOU KNOW, WE YOU MENTIONED THIS A LITTLE BIT, WHICH WAS IT'S AN OPTIONAL TASK. WE CAN DO THIS AT A LATER DATE. AND WE ARE GOING INTO BUDGETING SEASON RIGHT NOW. HOW OPTIONAL IS THIS WHEN WE SAY OPTIONAL, LIKE IF I'M, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING THIS AT THE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE AND PUTTING SOMETHING IN FOR THIS, HOW, HOW CRITICAL IS THIS THAT WE CANNOT WAIT TILL THAT TIME TO DO SO INSTEAD OF ROBBING PETER TO PAY.

PAUL. SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT ON IN THE AGENDA ITEM, THE THE OPTIONAL SIDEWALK DROP INLET, CURB, INLET VALVES AND SUCH. THOSE, THOSE ITEMS. IS THAT WHERE IT JUST SAYS THAT AT THE VERY END OF ALL THE DISCUSSION OF IT. BUT YES, RIGHT AT THE VERY END, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DO THAT. SO YOU'RE NOT SAYING THAT THIS WHOLE THING IS OPTIONAL, THEN MAYBE I'M MISINTERPRETING THIS. OKAY. THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO. NO, NO, NO, THERE'S SOME OPTIONAL COLLECTION. SO WHEN THE WAY THIS PROCESS WORKS, THERE'S SOME CAMERAS MOUNTED TO A FRONT OF A TRUCK OR A VEHICLE THAT DRIVES THROUGH, IT'S GOING TO CLICK COLLECT ALL THE INFORMATION, WHETHER WE PRIORITIZE IT. AND FOR THEM, THE SOFTWARE TO GO IN AND TAG EACH OF THE MANHOLES AND EACH OF THE VALVES DOESN'T HAVE TO BE DONE AUTOMATICALLY BECAUSE WE'VE COLLECTED THE DATA. SO WE'VE MADE SOME DETERMINATIONS ON THERE'S SOME PARTS AND PIECES IN THE SYSTEM THAT WE DON'T HAVE 100% KNOWLEDGE ON, WHERE SOME OF THESE EXISTING PARTS AND PIECES, IF WE DECIDE TO GO BACK AT A LATER DATE AND HAVE THEM COLLECT OR PROVIDE US A REPORT OUT OF THAT INFORMATION, WE CAN THEN CORRELATE THAT WITH THE WATER AND SEWER DEPARTMENTS TO ENSURE THAT WE'VE LOCATED ALL OF THE PARTS AND PIECES AS PART OF OUR SYSTEM. BUT THE WATER AND SEWER SYSTEM IS FAIRLY WELL DOCUMENTED ON WHERE ALL THOSE PARTS AND PIECES ARE. SO THEY'RE GOING TO THE CAMERA IS GOING TO COLLECT IT BECAUSE WHEN YOU DRIVE BY WITH THE CAMERA, YOU CAN'T EXCLUDE SOMETHING. BUT WE'RE JUST NOT HAVING THEM PROVIDE A REPORT ON THOSE INFORMATION. SO THEN THOUGH, BUT IT DOES HAVE MY, I GUESS MY ORIGINAL QUESTION THEN, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THIS WOULD LIKE, CAN WE MOVE THIS WHERE WE BUDGET IT PROPERLY IN THE NEXT CYCLE AND PAY FOR THAT THIS LATER? OR DO WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON THIS RIGHT NOW, OR THIS IS GOING TO BE A CRITICAL PROBLEM? IF WE PUNTED THIS TO THE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE? WELL, WE WERE HOPING TO BE ABLE TO USE THIS DATA BECAUSE IT DOESN'T TAKE VERY LONG FOR THEM TO COLLECT IT SO THAT WE CAN DO A BETTER ESTIMATING FOR NEXT BUDGET CYCLE. BUT IF IT NEEDS TO BE PUSHED, IT CAN. HOWEVER, I BELIEVE THE CONTRACT TIME IS GOING TO EXPIRE AND WE WOULD HAVE TO GO OUT FOR A NEW RFQ AND ASK FOR THIS PRESENTATION AND PROCESS TO START ALL OVER AGAIN, BECAUSE THERE'S A TIME FRAME ON HOW LONG YOU CAN HOLD A CONTRACT FOR. SO TO BE CLEAR, YOU YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE US, IF WE APPROVE THIS AND WE TAKE THIS MONEY OUT OF THIS, THIS RESURFACING FUND AND PUT IT IN FOR THIS, YOU'RE ABLE TO GIVE US A MORE ACCURATE BUDGET ASSESSMENT GOING INTO THIS COMING YEAR. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVEN'T PERSONALLY SPOKEN TO THE CONTRACT, TO THE THE ENGINEERING FIRM THAT'S GOING TO DO TO COLLECT THE DATA ON

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AND THE ADDITIONAL, THE ADDITIONAL ITEMS CAN BE ADDED INTO THE BUDGET CYCLE. OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL, DO WE HAVE ANY ACTION ON THIS ITEM? MAYOR, GO TO MY FAMILY PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING SERVICE CONTRACT FOR PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PROJECT NUMBER 68124. MICHAEL BAKER INTERNATIONAL, INC. JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA FOR $364,423.26. SECOND, HAVE A MOTION. AND SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NAY, AND I VOTE NAY. AND WHAT IS THAT TOTAL AMOUNT? I DO A ROLL CALL. VOTE, PLEASE.

DID YOU SAY I, COUNCILMEMBER NEWMAN NAY. COUNCILMEMBER BASSETT, AYE. COUNCILMEMBER.

HANLEY. AYE. COUNCILMEMBER SMITH. AYE. COUNCILMEMBER LARUSSO. VICE MAYOR. KENNEDY.

AYE. MAYOR ALFREY, I VOTE NAY. SO IT PASSES FOR THREE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO ITEM

[11. CONSENT AGENDA:]

[13. Opioid settlement funds.]

HELLO EVERYONE. REBECCA TIBER, ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER. THIS IS A CONTRACT AWARD FOR USE OF OPIOID SETTLEMENT FUNDS FOR PEER RECOVERY SUPPORT SERVICES. SO BACK IN AUGUST OF 2025, STAFF CAME BEFORE CITY COUNCIL WITH A REQUEST ON HOW TO EXPAND OPIOID SETTLEMENT FUNDS. SO THESE ARE THE FUNDS THAT THE CITY IS RECEIVING FROM MULTIPLE LITIGATION SETTLEMENTS FOR DIFFERENT OPIOID LITIGATION THAT IS HAPPENING THROUGH THE STATE. SO THE CITY RECEIVES THESE FUNDS THAT THE CITY USES. AND THEN THERE'S ALSO SEPARATE FUNDS THAT THE COUNTY IS RECEIVING. SO THESE ARE JUST THE CITY OF MELBOURNE'S FUNDS. SO BACK IN AUGUST, WE GAVE A COUPLE OPTIONS TO CITY COUNCIL. AT THAT TIME, COUNCIL DIRECTED STAFF TO PUT OUT A REQUEST FOR APPLICATIONS FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF SERVICES AND PROGRAMS, AND THEN ALSO TO HAVE THE POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENTS UTILIZE SOME OF THOSE SERVICES IN-HOUSE. SO WE DID MEET WITH THE POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENTS, AND AT THAT TIME THEY DID NOT HAVE A NEED FOR FOR SERVICES RIGHT NOW. SO THEY JUST DON'T HAVE A NEED FOR PROGRAMS RIGHT AT THIS TIME. SO WE THEN CAME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL IN FEBRUARY WITH AN IDEA TO PIGGYBACK A CONTRACT WITH SEMINOLE COUNTY WITH RECOVERY CONNECTIONS. SO RECOVERY CONNECTIONS IS AN ORGANIZATION THAT IS A RECOVERY COMMUNITY ORGANIZATION TO MAKE SURE I SAY THE RIGHT THE RIGHT TITLE THERE, WHICH UTILIZES CERTIFIED PEER CERTIFIED RECOVERY PEER SPECIALISTS, SPECIALIZED. LET ME SAY IT RIGHT. CERTIFIED RECOVERY PEER SPECIALISTS. THERE WE GO TO MOBILIZE RESOURCES WITHIN AND OUTSIDE OF THE RECOVERY COMMUNITY. SO RECOVERY CONNECTIONS IS THE ONLY RCO SERVING BREVARD COUNTY. SO AT THE TIME THAT WE BROUGHT THIS IDEA TO YOU BACK IN FEBRUARY, YOU DID GIVE CONSENSUS FOR US TO PIGGYBACK THIS AGREEMENT WITH SEMINOLE COUNTY. SO THIS CONTRACT THAT SEMINOLE COUNTY IS USING, IT'S BEEN IN PLACE SINCE 2020 FOR RECOVERY CONNECTIONS IS PROVIDING THAT PEER RECOVERY SERVICES, AS WELL AS WRAPAROUND SERVICES, INCLUDING TRANSPORTATION AND TRANSITIONAL HOUSING, EMPLOYABILITY TRAINING.

AND THEN THEY'RE ALSO PROVIDING MEDICATED ASSISTED TREATMENT. WE ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO OPT OUT OF THE MEDICATED ASSISTED TREATMENT. THE REASON WE'RE DOING THAT IS BECAUSE MEDICATED ASSISTED TREATMENT IS ACTUALLY VERY POORLY FUNDED RIGHT NOW THROUGH BREVARD COUNTY REGIONAL OPIOID ABATEMENT FUNDS. SO THEY'RE ACTUALLY PARTNERING WITH AN ORGANIZATION THROUGH THE RECOVERY CONNECTION OFFICE, WHICH IS RIGHT HERE IN MELBOURNE. SO THAT SERVICE IS READILY AVAILABLE IN MELBOURNE THROUGH STEPS. AND THERE'S SEVERAL OTHER ORGANIZATIONS. SO WE DECIDED NOT TO USE THE MELBOURNE FUNDS FOR MEDICATED ASSISTANT TREATMENT. SO THAT SERVICE IS STILL AVAILABLE FOR THESE INDIVIDUALS. WE'RE JUST NOT GOING TO BE USING THE MELBOURNE DOLLARS FOR THAT. SO THIS AGREEMENT WE ASKED FOR A PROPOSAL FROM RECOVERY CONNECTIONS FOR A TWO YEAR TERM TO USE $350,000 OF OUR OPIOID SETTLEMENT FUNDS FOR SERVICES TO INCLUDE THE PEER SUPPORT SERVICES, WHICH WILL INCLUDE INTAKE AND ASSESSMENT, AND ONGOING SUPPORT, PEER RECOVERY SUPPORT, OUTREACH, TRANSPORTATION, WHICH WILL UTILIZE RIDE SHARE SERVICES SUCH AS UBER AND LYFT, AND THEN TRANSITIONAL HOUSING, WHICH

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OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR REBECCA? ALL RIGHT. WE DO HAVE ONE SPEAKER, STEPHANIE. OVER HERE.

HELLO, EVERYONE. GOOD EVENING. I'M STEPHANIE MORRISON, THE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT FOR RECOVERY CONNECTIONS OF CENTRAL FLORIDA. FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO I HAVEN'T MET, SO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS HAVE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. REGARDING TO THE SERVICES THAT WE'RE PROVIDING IN SEMINOLE COUNTY AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO HERE WITH YOU GUYS AS WELL.

OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS? YES, ACTUALLY GO AHEAD. OKAY. YES. SO I THINK YOUR LOCATION IS RIGHT THERE ON HIBISCUS, CORRECT? YES. CLOSE TO THE MOVIE THEATER. I WAS THERE, WE HAD A MEETING THERE AND I GOT A REALLY NICE TOUR AND OVERVIEW. SO SINCE YOU MENTIONED THE USE OF THESE FUNDS OR HOW IT IS SORT OF SUPPLEMENT WHAT IT'S ALREADY HAPPENING, IS IT SOMETHING DIFFERENT OR SO THESE, AS REBECCA STATED, THESE FUNDS WILL BE UTILIZED SPECIFICALLY FOR THE TRANSPORTATION AND FOR THE HOUSING PIECE AS WELL AS THE PEER SUPPORT SERVICES. SO WE'RE GOING TO RESERVE THESE FUNDS FOR INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE WITHIN THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, OR HOMELESS, OR EXITING TREATMENT OR INCARCERATION IN THE CITY OF MELBOURNE. FUNDS THAT WE ARE RECEIVING THROUGH THE COUNTY WILL BE UTILIZED THROUGHOUT THE THE BREVARD COUNTY IN GENERAL. WE DO ALSO HAVE AN OFFICE IN TITUSVILLE TO SERVICE THE NORTHERN PART OF THAT COUNTY OR THE COUNTY. SO THESE WILL BE MORE SPECIFICALLY FOR MELBOURNE RESIDENTS. OKAY, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. GOOD. MR. NEWMAN. SO I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR, SINCE YOU'RE HERE, I APPRECIATE YOU DOING IT. SURE. MY PLEASURE. I HAVE A NONPROFIT DEVELOPMENT BACKGROUND MYSELF, SO YOU HAVE A VERY DAUNTING TASK AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DO FOR THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU.

THAT SAID. SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, THESE WILL BE CONSIDERED RESTRICTED FUNDS THAT YOUR ORGANIZATION SPECIFICALLY FOR MELBOURNE. YES. CORRECT. OKAY. PERFECT. AND THEN HOW DO YOU LIKE WHEN YOU'RE SERVICING THIS GRANT? ARE YOU GONNA BE ABLE TO GIVE US SOME UPDATES ON HOW THIS WOULD BE, HOW IT WAS USED, NUMBER OF TRANSPORTATIONS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? HOW DO YOU PLAN ON DOING THAT? YEAH. SO WE HAVE A PLATFORM CALLED RTP. IT'S A RECOVERY DATA PLATFORM.

AND SO AT EVERY INTERACTION THAT WE HAVE AND THESE ARE REQUIREMENTS THROUGH ANY OF OUR OTHER GRANTS THAT WE HAVE AS WELL, EVERY INTERACTIONS THAT OUR PEERS HAVE WITH INDIVIDUALS, THEY DO TAKE THEIR NOTES. WE LOG EVERYTHING, EVERY TRANSPORTATION LOG. THEY DO HAVE TO BE ENGAGING WITH OUR PEER SPECIALISTS ON A WEEKLY BASIS TO OBTAIN THOSE SERVICES.

SO WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE GOOD STEWARDS OF THOSE FUNDS. WE'RE NOT JUST GIVING SOMEONE, YOU KNOW, MONEY TO GO LIVE SOMEWHERE, AND THEN THEY'RE NOT GETTING THE FOLLOW UP TREATMENT.

SO EVERY INTERACTION IS TRACKED AND WE'RE ABLE TO REPORT THAT I BELIEVE THAT THERE'S ACTUALLY REPORTING METRICS IN THE CONTRACT ALREADY OUTLINED, BUT WE'RE ALWAYS HAPPY TO PROVIDE THOSE AT ANY TIME. YES, THEY WILL BE REPORTING TO US TO OUR HOUSING AND URBAN IMPROVEMENT DIVISION. AND SO FOR EACH PAY APPLICATION THEY SUBMIT TO US, THEY WILL HAVE TO DO I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT ON A MONTHLY BASIS IS WHAT THEY DETERMINE. SO THEY WILL SUBMIT BASICALLY MONTHLY PROGRESS REPORTS AND WE WILL TRACK EVERYTHING. WE WILL VERIFY THAT THEY ARE MELBOURNE RESIDENTS, THE UBER AND LYFT KIND OF RIDESHARE STUFF. THEY HAVE A VERY GOOD SYSTEM. WE'VE WORKED WITH SEMINOLE COUNTY. WE'RE ACTUALLY USING SEMINOLE COUNTY, SAME FORMS BECAUSE THEY'VE KIND OF VETTED ALL OF THAT ALREADY, BUT THEY LOOK AT EVERYTHING TO KIND OF VERIFY WHEN THEY'VE REQUESTED AN UBER RIDE. WHERE DID THEY GO? DID THEY GO TO WALMART TO PICK UP A PRESCRIPTION OR WERE THEY JUST GOING TO GET GROCERIES? LIKE, LIKE, WHAT WERE THEY ACTUALLY DOING? WAS IT A DOCTOR'S OFFICE? LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS AN ELIGIBLE EXPENSE? SO ALL OF THAT WILL BE VERIFIED BEFORE ANYTHING IS ACTUALLY REIMBURSED BECAUSE IT'S ALL ON A CROSS REIMBURSEMENT BASIS. OUR CONTRACT COMPLIANCE TEAM IS VERY DILIGENT IN ENSURING THAT EVERYTHING ALIGNS VERY WELL WITH WHAT WHAT WE'RE DOING. SO THAT'S OUT OF MY REALM. BUT WE DO HAVE A TEAM THAT DOES THAT. PERFECT. THANK YOU REBECCA, I APPRECIATE YOUR HELP WITH ALL THIS. LIKE SERIOUSLY. THANK YOU. OH NO PROBLEM. WE'RE EXCITED TO PARTNER WITH THEM. SO WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO GET THIS GOING. I CAN FEEL THE EXCITEMENT. YEAH, WE WE LOVE REBECCA. SHE'S FANTASTIC. AND THEN ALSO YOUR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, IF THEY'RE WATCHING YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB. FANTASTIC JOB. WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU ALL, VICE MAYOR. GO AHEAD MA'AM. HI. HOW ARE YOU? I THINK THIS IS MORE FOR REBECCA.

OKAY. I APPRECIATE NOT DOING THE MEDICAL PIECE. RIGHT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE ALREADY

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AND STEPHANIE COULD PROBABLY SPEAK MORE TO THAT. SO I DON'T KNOW ABOUT OTHER PEER RECOVERY SUPPORT SERVICES, THE THE MEDICALLY ASSISTED TREATMENT. AND I WILL SPEAK AT THE BREVARD COUNTY LEVEL. SINCE I SIT ON THAT COMMITTEE WITH BREVARD COUNTY, THERE IS MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FUNNELING TO MEDICALLY ASSISTED TREATMENT IN BREVARD COUNTY RIGHT NOW.

AND THAT'S WHY WE PULLED THAT PIECE OUT, BECAUSE WE FELT IT WAS MORE IMPORTANT TO SPEND OUR MONEY IN WHERE THERE IS A GAP RIGHT NOW. AND SO THAT'S WHERE RECOVERY CONNECTIONS KIND OF HAS A PROVEN TRACK RECORD WITH WHAT THEY'RE DOING, BUT THEY HAVE AN EXCELLENT PROGRAM WITH WHAT THEY'RE DOING IN SEMINOLE COUNTY. SO THE THE PEER RECOVERY SYSTEM SEEMS TO BE A USEFUL PLACE TO BE SPENDING THE DOLLARS. OKAY, PERFECT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE WERE HITTING THAT GAP, NOT. YES. AND THEY'RE PARTNERING WITH THE MEDICALLY ASSISTED TREATMENT.

IT'S, I THINK WHAT MAKES IT WORK IN MY. AND OBVIOUSLY I DON'T WORK IN THIS SPACE BECAUSE I WORK HERE. BUT I WILL SAY WHAT I THINK MAKES THIS WORK IS THE WRAPAROUND SERVICES AND THE FACT THAT YOU CAN GET THE MAT SERVICES, YOU'RE GETTING THE PEER RECOVERY SERVICES AND THE REFERRALS THAT ALL OF THESE AGENCIES ARE DOING TO PARTNER AND WORK TOGETHER.

AND SO WHILE OUR POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENTS DIDN'T HAVE A NEED TO UTILIZE THESE FUNDS, RIGHT NOW, OUR POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENTS CAN STILL REFER THEIR INTERACTIONS TO RECOVERY CONNECTIONS. SO IF THEY'RE ENCOUNTERING SOMEONE ON ANY OF THEIR CALLS, THEY HAVE AN AGENCY NOW THAT IS FUNDED BY THE CITY OF MELBOURNE THAT THEY HAVE A RESOURCE. SO ALL OF THESE AGENCIES ARE WORKING TOGETHER EVERYWHERE IN THE COUNTY. BUT THIS THIS IS TO GET DEDICATE MELBOURNE DOLLARS TO MELBOURNE RESIDENTS. PERFECT. THANK YOU. OKAY. I'M ON THE OPIOID BOARD FOR THE COUNTY. YES. BEFORE. AND I'VE READ THEIR WHEN THEY PUT THEIR RFAS THROUGH THE COUNTY AND IT WAS VERY THOROUGH, VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE. THEY THEY REALLY PICKED UP A LOT OF THINGS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY WILL DO WITH THE WRAPAROUND SERVICES THAT I DID NOT KNOW THAT WAS IF SOMEBODY IS IN TREATMENT OR WENT FROM GOING INTO DETOX, THEY WILL FOLLOW THAT PERSON THROUGH. THEY DON'T LEAVE THEM SITTING ON THE CORNER. I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THAT SOMEBODY COMING OUT OF DETOX, THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE ANY TRANSPORTATION TO THE NEXT SPOT. THEY STAY WITH THAT PERSON. SO WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT, THEY WILL TAKE THEM FROM DETOX. IF THEY'RE GOING FROM THE DETOX INTO THE REHAB CENTER, THEY WILL DRIVE THEM. THEY WILL HAVE SOMEBODY HANDING THEM OFF TO THE NEXT PERSON. THEY'LL GO, I'M IF I'M SPEAKING OUT OF TURN, SORRY. AND THEN ONCE THEY COME OUT OF. TREATMENT CENTER AND THEY MIGHT NOT EVEN BEEN IN THERE, BUT THEY WORK WITH THE TREATMENT CENTER. IF SOMEBODY NEEDS TO BE HANDED OFF TO GO TO A. HAVE NOT I DON'T WANT TO. YEAH, SOBER LIVING HOME, THINGS LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, RECOVERY RESIDENCE, SOBER LIVING HOUSE, THEY WILL TAKE THEM THERE. SO THEY'RE NOT BEING THEY'RE NOT I DID NOT KNOW THAT. THAT'S ONE OF THE THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE FALL OFF. THEY MIGHT HAVE ALL THE GOOD INTENTION, BUT THERE'S NOBODY THERE TO WALK THEM, HOLD HOLD THEIR HAND THROUGH THINGS. SO THIS IS A UNIQUE THING THAT IF WE CAN FUND THIS, THAT THEY HAVE A BETTER OPPORTUNITY. I DON'T, I, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE THAT WITH THE HAND HOLDING THAT THEY STAY IN RECOVERY RATHER THAN IT WAS, IT WAS PHENOMENAL. YEAH. SO TYPICALLY WE SEE 70% MONTH OVER MONTH PARTICIPATION AND WE SEE A 92% OF INDIVIDUALS. WE TRACK WHAT'S CALLED THEIR RECOVERY CAPITAL SCALE. SO THAT IS BOTH INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL FACTORS.

SO DO YOU HAVE FOOD TO EAT A PLACE TO LIVE A ROOF OVER YOUR HEAD. BUT ALSO, DO YOU HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH YOUR FAMILY, A RELATIONSHIP WITH A HIGHER POWER? YOU KNOW, WE LOOK AT A LOT OF DIFFERENT FACTORS, 35 SEPARATE FACTORS, AND 92% OF INDIVIDUALS WHO ENGAGE IN OUR SERVICES MONTH OVER MONTH HAVE AN INCREASE IN THEIR RECOVERY CAPITAL. SO REALLY, OUR GOAL IS TO OFFER THEM THAT STABILITY AS THEY'RE LEAVING, AS MIMI STATED, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT BE INCARCERATION OR A HIGHER LEVEL OF CARE OR DETOX STABILIZATION, INSTEAD OF PUTTING THEM BACK IN AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE PEOPLE MAY BE USING AROUND THEM, OR THEY MAY HAVE BAD INFLUENCES, WE PROVIDE THEM WITH A PEER SUPPORT SPECIALIST WHO HAS LIVED, LIVED EXPERIENCE IS IN LONG TERM RECOVERY, HAS BEEN THROUGH THE PROCESS, AND WE ALSO PROVIDE THEM WITH THAT STABILITY OF, HEY, DO YOU NEED A RIDE TO GET YOUR DUCKS IN A ROW? DO YOU NEED A SAFE PLACE TO LIVE WHERE USING IS NOT GOING TO BE AN OPTION FOR YOU? AND WE'RE ABLE TO, TO CONTINUE THEM EVEN ONCE THE SERVICE IS OVER, THEY CAN REMAIN ENGAGED IN OUR SERVICES INDEFINITELY.

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ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE AYE, AND MOTION PASSES. AND BE MR. HANLEY. APPROVAL OF CONTRACT AWARDED TO THE USE OF OPIOID SETTLEMENT FUNDS FOR PEER RECOVERY SUPPORT SERVICES. RECOVERY CONNECTION OF CENTRAL FLORIDA, INC. LAKE MARY, FLORIDA, $350,000. SECOND, HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND BY MISS BASSETT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE AYE, AND THAT MOTION PASSES. MOVING ON. ITEM NUMBER

[14. Ordinance No. 2026-24, Certificate of Engineering Construction Completion: (First Reading/Public Hearing) An ordinance amending City Code Chapter 50, Article III; Appendix B, Article IX; and Appendix D, Chapter 3, Chapter 8, Chapter 9, and Chapter 10, related to referencing "Certificate of Engineering Construction Completion" in multiple sections of City Code (Applicant - City of Melbourne) (P&Z Board - 5/7/2026)]

REPORTING ON THIS IS MISS DEAN GERALDINE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. SO THE RECENTLY ADOPTED ORDINANCE 26-18 ALLOWED THE BUILDING OFFICIAL TO HOLD UP A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY BECAUSE OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR SITE IMPROVEMENTS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF ENGINEERING COMPLETION. WITH THE READING FIRST READING OF THIS ORDINANCE THERE. THE REASON FOR THIS IS THAT THERE WERE SOME DISCREPANCIES THAT WERE UNINTENTIONALLY CREATED WHEN WE ADOPTED THAT ORDINANCE. THERE ARE ABOUT 13 DIFFERENT SECTIONS WHERE THERE ARE REFERENCES TO CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION, BUT IT'S REALLY ABOUT THE SITE WORK. IT'S NOT ABOUT THE BUILDING.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE THE BUILDING OFFICIAL PRIOR TO 28, APRIL 28TH, THEY DID THE CO JUST BASED UPON THE BUILDING, THE ADOPTION OF THAT OTHER ORDINANCE BROUGHT IN THE CERTIFICATE OF ENGINEERING CONSTRUCTION COMPLETION. NOW WE'RE FIXING THESE 13 SECTIONS OF CODE. ALL WE'RE ADDING IS THE WORDS ENGINEERING CONSTRUCTION TO THESE SECTIONS OF CODE. THESE ARE THE SECTIONS OF CODE THAT ARE REFLECTED IN THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE. ON MAY 7TH, THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO APPROVE THESE CHANGES, AND STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE 2026-24. BASED UPON THE FINDINGS CONTAINED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEMORANDUM. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS, MISS DEAN? GO AHEAD, MR. RUSSO. THANK YOU. HELLO AGAIN. HI. YOU MENTIONED DISCREPANCY DISCREPANCIES INTENTIONALLY CREATED UNINTENTIONALLY. UNINTENTIONALLY.

UNINTENTIONALLY. WELL, I CAN SCRATCH THAT OFF NOW. OKAY. PERFECT. PERFECT. THANK YOU.

EVEN BETTER. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE ANY SIGN UP SHEET? NO, NO. SIGN UP SHEET. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL. MAYOR.

GO AHEAD. APPROVAL ORDINANCE 2026-24. BASED UPON THE FINDINGS CONTAINED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEMORANDUM. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION. AND SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE AYE, AND THAT MOTION PASSES. MOVING ON TO

[15. First Amendment to the Master Redevelopment Agreement for View Apartments (2100 Melbourne Court).]

YOU FACE TO THE PODIUM. SO ROBERT MCKENZIE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MANAGER. SO THIS ITEM THAT WE HAVE FOR YOU TONIGHT IS THE FIRST AMENDMENT TO THE MASTER REDEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR THE VIEW APARTMENT PROJECT, WHICH IS LOCATED AT 2100 MELBOURNE COURT.

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SO FOLLOWING APPROVAL TONIGHT, WE'LL BE DOING THAT TRANSFER OF PROPERTY AND THEN TRANSFER OF DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS. SO GOING BACK TO THE PARCEL, WE'LL BE RECEIVING A 0.44 ACRE PARCEL.

AND THEN WE'LL BE TRANSFERRING 44 RESIDENTIAL UNITS TO THE PROJECT SITE, WHICH IS ALREADY ACCOUNTED FOR IN THAT 246 UNIT COUNT. WE'LL ALSO BE DOING A LOT SPLIT. SO CURRENTLY THE PARCEL IS ABOUT 0.49 ACRES. THE PORTION THAT WE'RE RECEIVING DOES NOT INCLUDE THE 1700 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, AS WELL AS THE TEN FOOT EASEMENT AROUND THE BUILDING. SO WE'LL BE DOING A LOT SPLIT. AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE DOING THE LAND CONVEYANCE AND THE TRANSFER OF DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS. SO THAT THE MELBOURNE DOWNTOWN CRA IS PRESENTED AT THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING ON MAY 1ST AND RECEIVED UNANIMOUS APPROVAL. AND SO SUMMARIZE, THE AMENDMENT IS TWO YEAR EXTENSION OF PROJECT TIMELINE PROJECT TO BE ON THE TAX ROLLS BY 2031, AND THEN IMMEDIATE CONVEYANCE OF THE LAND DONATION PARCEL. SO THAT HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

AND THERE'S ALSO A REPRESENTATIVE FROM NORTH AMERICAN PROPERTIES WHO IS THE DEVELOPER HERE FOR QUESTIONS AS WELL. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS? I'LL CLARIFY ONE OTHER THING IF I CAN. IT WAS ALSO NEGOTIATED BECAUSE OF THE UNDERLYING TIMING. ORIGINALLY, THE DEVELOPER WAS GOING TO USE THIS VACANT AREA TO THE EAST AS A CONSTRUCTION LAYDOWN YARD. THAT OBVIOUSLY ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN NOW IF THEY'RE CONVEYING IT TO US. WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH WITH HOLMES PARK DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION. FURTHERMORE. GOSH, I LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT SENIOR MOMENT I YEAH. I HAVE THEM ALL THE TIME. OH, I KNOW WE HAD, WE HAD NEGOTIATED A LENGTH OF TIME TO USE THAT AREA AS PARKING BEFORE, BEFORE IT BECOMING KIND OF THAT, THAT DESIGN FOR HOLMES PARK AND THAT EXTENSION OF HOLMES PARK SLIGHTLY MODIFIED THAT LANGUAGE WITH WITHIN THE DEED WILL STILL BE ABLE TO USE IT FOR PARKING BASICALLY UNTIL THE HOLMES PARK PROJECT GOES GOES INTO PLACE. SO I JUST WANTED A LITTLE FINER POINTS THAT ARE A PART OF THAT FIRST AMENDMENT IN THE LANGUAGE. SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT THOSE OUT. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? QUESTION. MAYOR. GOOD. GOOD SIR. SO ROBERT, I KNOW IT'S NOT THE PURPOSE TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT, BUT AS FAR AS THE HOLMES PARK, WITH THIS TRANSFER HAPPENING, ANY BIG PICTURE? WHAT'S THE TIMELINE OF THAT AS IT RELATES TO THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT? YEAH. SO DEFINITELY HELPFUL GETTING THE, YOU KNOW, PARCEL UP FRONT RATHER THAN TO HAVE TO WAIT FOR WHEN THE, THE APARTMENT GETS CONSTRUCTED. BUT IT'S CURRENTLY UNDER ENGINEERING DESIGN. WE ESTIMATE THAT TO BE COMPLETED EARLY NEXT YEAR AND THEN BE GOING OUT TO BID FOR, FOR CONSTRUCTION. SO TRY TO KEEP THE MOMENTUM GOING WITH THE HOLMES PARK. OKAY. YOU GOT A QUESTION, MR. RUSSO, REAL

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HOW YOU DOING? GOOD SEEING YOU. BUT ANY ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT, MR. NEWMAN, GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY. I JUST WANTED TO. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THE APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION NUMBER 4418. SECOND. SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION. AND SECOND BY MR. SMITH. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE AYE, MOTION PASSES. COUNCIL WILL NOW COME IN IN THE MELBOURNE DOWNTOWN COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY FOR ITEM NUMBER B AND MAYOR. GO AHEAD. APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION NUMBER 4418. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND BY MISS BASSETT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? HOW ABOUT I THAT MOTION PASSES NOW.

COUNCIL WILL RECONVENE AS COUNCIL. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO ITEM

[16. Ordinance No. 2026-25: (First Reading/Public Hearing) An ordinance proposing a referendum item for a charter amendment to Section 8.04 of the City Charter, authorizing City Council to delegate the duties of the Zoning Board of Adjustment to the Planning and Zoning Board.]

PROVIDING FOR PUBLIC NOTICE OF THE REFERENDUM, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND PROVIDING FOR ADOPTION. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MAY RECALL AT OUR 2ND APRIL MEETING, WE HAD A DISCUSSION ITEM ON SEVERAL ITEMS REGARDING OUR APPOINTED AND ADVISORY BOARDS. FROM THAT DISCUSSION, THERE WAS COUNCIL DIRECTION TO BRING BACK A PROPOSED ORDINANCE FOR A PROPOSED CHARTER AMENDMENT REGARDING ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD. AS WAS DISCUSSED AT THAT APRIL MEETING. AND AS I'LL REITERATE THIS EVENING, THE LANGUAGE THAT OUR OFFICES IS PROPOSING AND WHAT THIS ORDINANCE WOULD DO IS ADD LANGUAGE TO THE CITY CHARTER THAT WOULD GIVE EITHER THIS COUNCIL OR FUTURE COUNCILS THE AUTHORITY AND DISCRETION TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT TO CONTINUE TO HAVE TWO BOARDS, A PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD, AND A ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, OR WHETHER TO DISSOLVE THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND ASSIGN THE DUTIES OF THAT BOARD TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD. IMPORTANTLY, WHILE THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT IT IN IN APRIL, I, I THIS LANGUAGE IS NOT PROPOSING, AND I AM NOT RECOMMENDING A COURSE OF ACTION WHERE WE ARE TERMINATING BOTH THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD AND ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND RECREATING SOME MERGED BOARD. IT WOULD TAKE A MUCH MORE SIGNIFICANT CHARTER AMENDMENT TO DO THAT. IT WOULD ALSO TEMPORARILY DISSOLVE OUR LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY, WHICH IS REQUIRED BY FLORIDA STATUTE, AND COULD DELAY SOME OF THE REVIEWS. RIGHT. YOU'RE OFTEN SEEING QUASI JUDICIAL ITEMS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN THE PLANNING ZONING BOARD. THAT PROCESS IS BOTH SET OUT IN OUR CITY CHARTER AS WELL AS FLORIDA STATUTES. THEY'RE REQUIRED PROCESSES. AND SO I DON'T WANT TO RECOMMEND OR, OR PROPOSE AN ACTION THAT COULD EVEN TEMPORARILY DELAY OR LEAVE US WITHOUT THAT LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY AS APPLICATIONS AND OTHER ITEMS ARE MOVING FORWARD, MUCH AS IT WOULD, IT WOULD LIKELY BE A RECREATION OF A LOT OF THE LANGUAGE THAT'S ALREADY THERE. IT COULD THEORETICALLY REQUIRE A STATE LEVEL REVIEW AND APPROVAL FROM DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE. SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE DO IN PRETTY SIGNIFICANT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS AND OTHER THINGS

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ONE'S MORE OF A STATEMENT. I KNOW YOU GUYS PROBABLY ALREADY REACHED OUT TO THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS WHEN YOU MENTIONED IT, AT LEAST UNDER THE IMPRESSION IT'S AT NO COST TO THE CITY TO PUT THIS ON THERE. HAVE YOU GUYS GOTTEN TO THAT PART OF IT? THAT WAS MY DISCUSSION WITH THE SUPERVISOR. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS GOT THAT FAR DOWN THE ROAD YET.

I DID NOT. I'LL DEFER TO KEVIN IF IF HE HAS ANY OTHER INFORMATION THERE. I HAVEN'T SPOKEN TO HIM YET. MATTER OF FACT, OUR CLERK'S MEETING WITH THE SUPERVISOR IS THURSDAY, SO I WAS GOING TO BRING IT UP. BUT IN GENERAL, ADDING A REFERENDUM TO THE GENERAL ELECTION BALLOT DOESN'T INCREASE OUR COST IN ANY SIGNIFICANT WAY. IT MIGHT SLIGHTLY, BUT NOT IN A WAY OF HAVING IT SIMILAR TO A A NON GENERAL ELECTION CYCLE. MY UNDERSTANDING WAS AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T CREATE ANOTHER SET OF PAGES FOR THE BALLOT, THAT'S NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY AND IT'S FREE OF CHARGE. BUT THEN NUMBER TWO, DO ADAM, FOR MAYBE THIS IS A STAFF QUESTION, A MULTIPLE STAFF MEMBERS, NOT JUST YOURSELF THOUGH. DO YOU SEE A BENEFIT IN HAVING THESE DUTIES EVEN BE ALLOWED TO GO OVER TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD? THAT COULD ACTUALLY MAKE IT EASIER IN CASE OF VACANCIES, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TO DISSOLVE EITHER BOARD? THAT'S MY THIRD ONE. YOU COULD GET THESE POWERS AND STILL HAVE TWO BOARDS. EXACTLY. AND THAT'S AND THAT'S PARTICULARLY WHY THIS LANGUAGE IS IS DRAFTED IN THAT WAY BECAUSE IT DOESN'T DICTATE ONE PARTICULAR ACTION AND ONLY THAT ONE PARTICULAR ACTION. IT GIVES COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, THE FLEXIBILITY FOR THE FUTURE. I WOULD SAY I KNOW THERE WAS A CONCERN AS WE WERE LOOKING AT BOARD ATTENDANCE AND OTHER THINGS ABOUT THE FREQUENCY THAT ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT MET, WHETHER OR NOT THEY WERE ABLE TO GET QUORUM, SO ON AND SO FORTH. I CAN TELL YOU, I, I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE FEARS ARE BEING REALIZED RIGHT NOW. ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS HAD PROBABLY THREE APPLICATIONS JUST IN THIS YEAR. AT THEIR LAST MEETING LATE LAST MONTH, ACTUALLY, IT WAS JUST LAST WEEK, THE PREVIOUS MONDAY. AND THEY HAD EIGHT THEY HAD EIGHT MEMBERS PRESENT. SO HAD MORE MORE THAN CERTAINLY MORE THAN A QUORUM, EVEN MORE THAN THAN REQUIRED FOR, FOR THOSE ITEMS. SO YOU'VE HAD MR. JACKSON, MR. CASTRO HERE RECENTLY, RIGHT, FOR SERVICE AWARDS AND THEIR LONG TENURE. SO YEAH, I THINK IF IF YOU'RE ASKING FOR MY RECOMMENDATION, I WOULD SAY IT'S PROBABLY BEST TO KEEP TWO BOARDS SEPARATE FOR THEIR SPECIFIC DUTIES. THAT BEING SAID, THIS IS COUNCIL'S DIRECTION. AND THIS PARTICULAR LANGUAGE DOESN'T DICTATE ONE CHOICE OR THE OTHER. IT PROVIDES FLEXIBILITY FOR COUNCIL TO MAKE THAT DECISION AT A FUTURE DATE, WHICH IS MY POINT, AND WHICH, I MEAN, I

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BEFORE MR. DEAN STANDS UP, IS THAT ARE WE ONLY PICKING ON THIS BOARD? HOW MANY OTHER BOARDS HAVE LACKED QUORUMS OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS THAT YOU'VE JUST MENTIONED? BUT IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE JUST PICKING AND CHOOSING EXACTLY WHAT WE WHAT YOU WANT US TO HEAR VERSUS WHAT IS ACTUALLY OUT THERE. SO THAT'S MY QUESTION REALLY, ADAM, I JUST IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE PIGEONHOLING JUST THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD OR THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT INTO, INTO THIS LITTLE PIGEONHOLE HERE. SURE. AND AGAIN, TAKE, TAKE TAKING, TAKING, TAKING COUNT, TAKING COUNCIL DIRECTION HERE. MR. RUSSO ACTUALLY, I BELIEVE MR. CONNOLLY WAS ASKED A QUESTION AND IT'S KIND OF HOW HE ANSWERED IT. SO I DON'T I DON'T SEE IT. YOU KNOW HOW BAD I'M AGAINST THIS. SO NO, I UNDERSTAND MY APOLOGIES FOR BEING DISRESPECTFUL. I WILL NOT BE DISRESPECTFUL. NO, BUT YEAH, BUT BECAUSE I BELIEVE MR. CONNOLLY WAS ASKED THE QUESTION AND HE PROVIDED THE ANSWER, THAT'S WHAT I WHAT I WHAT I HEAR. OKAY. BUT SO SO WE DO WE EVEN HAVE AN ACTION HERE. I'VE GOT A QUESTION, MR. LARUSSO. I BELIEVE MR. NEWMAN WAS THE ONE THAT BROUGHT THIS UP, NOT MR. CONNOLLY. SO I BELIEVE THAT HE WAS THE ONE. AND LET ME LET ME ASK YOU WERE GOING TO ANSWER MY QUESTION. CAN YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION? BECAUSE THERE WAS A LOT GOING ON THERE. OKAY. WAS THERE A QUORUM? THERE WAS. WHEN DID THEY. THEY DON'T MEET. THEY MEET ONLY WHEN THERE'S A PROBLEM. SO THEY MIGHT NOT MEET FOR MONTHS AT A TIME. CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. USUALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS SOMEBODY WILL COME TO THE COUNTER TO ASK ABOUT APPLYING FOR A VARIANCE. OUR STAFF PERSONS, MOSTLY JEFFREY, WAS OUR PRIMARY. JEFFREY HIGGINS WAS OUR PRIMARY STAFF PERSON TO THAT IN GOING THROUGH THE CRITERIA TO CONSIDER A

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SO WE JUST MOSTLY HAVEN'T HAD MEETINGS BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD APPLICATIONS COME IN. SO THAT'S WHY WE ONLY HAD THREE MEETINGS. THAT'S THAT'S IT. IT'S NOT NOT FOR NOBODY SHOWING UP OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. CORRECT. TYPICALLY WE, WHEN WE SEND OUT THE APPLICATION OR THE NOTICE FOR A MEETING, WE INQUIRE IN ADVANCE, ARE WE GOING TO HAVE A QUORUM? USUALLY WE WE DO THAT AT CHRISTMAS TIME BECAUSE OF THE TIMING. IT'S THE LAST MONDAY OF THE MONTH OR RIGHT IN THAT AREA. SO IT'S USUALLY AROUND MEMORIAL DAY, HOLIDAY, CHRISTMAS, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO WE DO ASK IN ADVANCE TO MAKE SURE AT THE HOLIDAY TIME ALL BETS ARE OFF. WE WE WILL ASK THEM TO WE ASK THE APPLICANT IF THEY'RE OKAY MOVING A MEETING BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT WITH HOLIDAYS, WE DON'T GET A FULL BOARD. OKAY. CAN I JUST CLEAR MY NAME FOR A SECOND HERE? LIKE, FIRST OF ALL, YOU GUYS, AS A AS A BODY GAVE DIRECTION FOR MR. CONLEY TO TAKE THE TIME TO DO THIS. THIS ISN'T LET'S NOT START POINTING FINGERS AT PEOPLE. THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, WE LOOKED AT THE PREPONDERANCE OF EVIDENCE I LISTED OUT FOR YOU GUYS. WE HAD A PACKET. AND IN THAT PACKET IT SHOWED A FULL YEAR BEFORE. AND I LISTED FOR YOU ALL AT THAT TIME. HERE'S THE ONES THAT WERE POSTPONED. NOW I'M NOT GOING TO PUT HER ON THE SPOT AND SAY, CAN YOU TELL ME THE EXACT DATES AND TIMES THAT THEY WERE POSTPONED BECAUSE THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT LIKE, IT'S NOT FAIR TO JUST THROW THAT UP ON YOU RIGHT NOW UNLESS YOU REMEMBER IT. I WAS GOING TO SAY, I DON'T WANT TO. EXACTLY. I'M NOT GOING TO DO THAT TO YOU.

YOU POINT AT YOUR HEAD, I'M LIKE, OH, MAYBE SHE'S GOT IT. NO, I'M SCRATCHING MY HEAD. BUT BUT BUT I LISTED OUT AT LEAST 3 OR 4 THAT WHICH THEY WERE POSTPONED AND IT WAS CAUSING THE RESIDENT HAD COME UP, THERE WAS A DELAY FOR A PURPOSE. AND IT'S NOT LIKE I'M JUST COMING OUT OF THIS OUT OF NOWHERE. AND YOU'RE SEEING THIS RIGHT NOW WITH HARB, WHERE HARB HAS ALL THESE VACANCIES, AND AT THE POINT WHERE THERE'S ONE PERSON OUT OF TOWN AND ONE PERSON WHO ISN'T EVEN SHOWING UP FOR ONE MEETING SINCE THEY'VE BEEN APPOINTED, AND THAT'S WHY WE CAME UP WITH THIS. THIS ISN'T SOME SORT OF THING TO NITPICK AND PICK ON THESE BOARDS. OUR JOB IS OVERSIGHT, AND I THINK THAT WE DESERVE TO GIVE THESE BOARDS THAT TIME AND CARE BECAUSE WHETHER IT'S HARB, WHETHER IT'S ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS, THESE ARE BUSINESSES AND PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO MAKE OUR CITY BETTER, WHO ARE BEING HELD UP BECAUSE OF THESE INEFFICIENCIES OR BECAUSE OF THESE ISSUES WITH THE BOARDS. SO I'M NOT TRYING TO PICK ON A BOARD. I DON'T THINK THIS COUNCIL, WHO APPROVED TO HAVE MR. CONLEY LOOK UP FOR THIS OPTION, WHICH IS A VERY GOOD OPTION. THAT JUST GIVES A CHOICE. NOT SO MUCH. IT'S NOT GETTING RID OF ANYBODY'S POSITION. IT'S NOT DISSOLVING A BOARD. IT'S GIVING THIS COUNCIL A CHOICE AT A LATER DATE TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? MAYBE WE NEED TO ADJUST THIS BECAUSE GUESS WHAT? PALM BAY HAS MERGED IT WHERE THEY'RE ACTUALLY ABLE TO DO. I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT PALM BAY. WELL, THE WE'RE NOT PALM BAY. I'M LETTING YOU KNOW THAT THERE ARE OTHER CITIES AND MUNICIPALITIES THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF FLORIDA WHO DO THIS AS A AS A PIECE OF EFFICIENCY. AND SO THAT'S THE WHOLE REASON WHY THIS HAS COME UP, BECAUSE WE'RE HAVING THESE THESE QUESTIONS AND THESE THINGS GOING ON WHEN IT COMES TO ATTENDANCE AND HOW THEY FUNCTION. SO I THINK THIS IS A GOOD IDEA. I THINK IT'S A COMPROMISE EVEN, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE AT LEAST CLEARED THE AIR ON THAT MAYOR. OKAY, GOOD. I AGREE WITH WHAT COUNCILMAN NEWMAN SAID. AND WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION. SO WHEN WE HAD THAT MEETING, WHICH WAS A MEETING ABOUT OUR OVER OVERSIGHT OF OUR MUNICIPAL BOARDS, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE NEVER REALLY DONE AS A CITY BEFORE. AND I THINK IT WAS A VERY FRUITFUL MEETING BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS. WE TALKED ABOUT OUR BOARD EXPECTATIONS, WE TALKED ABOUT ORIENTATION. AND OUT OF THAT MEETING, THIS WAS AN IDEA FOR US TO CONSIDER JUST FOR EFFICIENCY BECAUSE, BECAUSE BEING ON THOSE DIFFERENT BOARDS. RIGHT. AND I'M JUST HEARING ABOUT THE HARP, YOU KNOW, AND I ATTENDED THE OTHER DIFFERENT BOARDS, THE DOWNTOWN CRA, IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE TRY TO OUR VERY BEST TO BE MORE EFFICIENT. SO THAT WAY, THIS IS NOT A I DON'T TAKE THIS AS A WITCH HUNT. AND I DO THINK THIS IS A VERY GOOD FIRST STEP. THIS IS NOT DISSOLVING ANYTHING. BUT THERE WERE OTHER STEPS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT MEETING THAT WE'RE NOT DISCUSSING TONIGHT. BUT AGAIN, THAT THAT MEETING THAT WE HAD AS A COUNCIL WAS SOMETHING THAT WE HAD NEVER REALLY DONE BEFORE BECAUSE WE FELT THAT THERE WAS A NEED TO ADDRESS CONCERNS THAT WERE GOING ON WITH OUR BOARDS. RIGHT. AND HOW THEY IMPACT NOT ONLY THE DECISIONS THAT THEY MAKE, BUT THE VOLUNTEERS THAT ARE ON THAT BOARD. SO WE WERE TRYING TO DO THINGS AS A WAY OF,

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I'M SORRY. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THE APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 2026-25. NOW SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NAY. AND SO LET'S DO A ROLL CALL. VOTE PLEASE. COUNCIL MEMBER NEWMAN. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. BASSET.

AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. HANLEY. NAY. COUNCILMEMBER. SMITH. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. LARUSSO. AND WE GOT MUDDIED UP WITH ALL THE OTHER CONVERSATION ABOUT OTHER BOARDS. BUT THIS IS SPECIFIC TO THIS BOARD, SO I STILL SAY NAY. OKAY. VICE MAYOR KENNEDY, I MAYOR ALFREY, I VOTE AYE. THAT

[17. Discussion of Fire Station No. 72 replacement.]

THIS IS GOING TO BE A SUMMARY OF THE FINDINGS THAT ARE IN THE SITE ASSESSMENT REPORT. THIS REPORT WAS ATTACHED TO YOUR ITEM, YOUR AGENDA ITEM. AND WHILE IT IS CONDENSED IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION. SO BEAR WITH ME. AS YOU SEE SOME OF THE SLIDES HAVE QUITE A BIT OF CONTENT. I WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK IF YOU LET ME GET THROUGH THE PRESENTATION AND I'LL TAKE THE QUESTIONS AFTERWARDS, AND THEN ANYTHING I CAN ANSWER AGAIN WILL BRING UP COLLEAGUES FROM THOSE RESPECTIVE DEPARTMENTS. SO JUST A SUMMARY OF WHERE WE ARE AND HOW WE GOT HERE. OCTOBER 14TH, 2025. WE CAME BEFORE YOU AND WE PRESENTED FIVE POTENTIAL SITES FOR THE REPLACEMENT PROJECT. THESE SITES WERE A RESULT OF CONVERSATIONS THAT HAPPENED ON THE JULY 8TH, 2025 COUNCIL MEETING, WHERE STAFF PRESENTED A FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENT AND A SITE PLAN FOR THE RELOCATION OF THE FIRE STATION AT JIMMY MOORE PARK, WHICH IS REPRESENTED AS LOCATION FIVE THERE. SO WITH THAT, COUNCIL SELECTED TWO SITES FOR STAFF TO DO FURTHER DUE DILIGENCE ON, AND THOSE WERE SITE TWO AND SITE FIVE. AND THAT IS WHAT WE CALL THE SITE. AND THE FORMER JIMMY MOORE PROPOSED SITE ON APRIL 28TH, COUNCILWOMAN HANLEY PRESENTED THE OPTION OF THREE SEPARATE PARCELS CONTIGUOUS, OWNED BY DON BELL AND WITH BELL.

AND SO WE CONDUCTED FURTHER DUE DILIGENCE ON THAT PARCEL AS WELL. AND SO TONIGHT, BEFORE YOU, WE'RE GOING TO BE SPEAKING TO THOSE THREE PARCELS. JUST A REMINDER, THE 72 RESPONSE AREA IS THE AREA THAT'S DEPICTED HERE IN THE PINKISH RED COLOR. THE YELLOW STAR IS THE CURRENT LOCATION OF FIRE STATION 72. AND JUST FOR SOME QUICK STATS, 2025 CALLS FOR SERVICE TOTALED JUST OVER 3000, WITH PRIORITY ONE CALLS AVERAGING A RESPONSE TIME OF FOUR MINUTES AND 28 SECONDS. 2026 YEAR TO DATE, AT LEAST UP THROUGH APRIL, CALLS FOR SERVICE TOTALED 772, WITH PRIORITY CALLS AVERAGING RESPONSE TIME OF FOUR MINUTES AND 15 SECONDS. THIS SLIDE HERE JUST DEPICTS THE HEAT MAP, HEAT MAP, AND WHAT THIS IS TRYING TO SHOW YOU IS WHERE THOSE CALLS FOR SERVICES ORIGINATED. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THE BLUE STAR THERE IS THE CURRENT LOCATION OF FIRE STATION 72. AND A MAJORITY OF THOSE CALLS ORIGINATED AT OR EAST OF WICKHAM ROAD. THERE'S A COUPLE IN THE THE NORTHEAST AREA OF THAT RESPONSE AREA. 2026 YEAR TO DATE, TRENDING IN THE SAME DIRECTION. THIS IS A REVISED MAP OF THE THREE PARCELS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE SPEAKING TO TONIGHT. SO AGAIN, PARCEL NUMBER ONE IS THE BOOZER SITE.

THIS IS LOCATED JUST WEST OF WALMART. SITE NUMBER TWO IS THE PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED LOCATION AT JIMMY MOORE PARK. AND THEN SITE THREE ARE THE THREE PROPERTIES THAT MAKE UP WHAT WE'LL CALL THE BELL PROPERTIES. ALL RIGHT. LIKE I SAID, QUITE A BIT OF INFORMATION ON ON THESE NEXT THREE SLIDES. SO SITE NUMBER ONE AGAIN THIS IS THE BOOZER SITE. THIS IS LOCATED ADJACENT

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WHAT THIS MEANS IS THAT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE WILL REQUIRE SOIL REMOVAL, SOIL REPLACEMENT AND OTHER ACTIVITIES THAT WILL FURTHER ELONGATE THE DEVELOPMENT TIME AND MAY COST THE CITY ADDITIONAL FUNDING. THE RESPONSE TIME IF THE FIRE STATION IS LOCATED HERE, REDUCES THAT RESPONSE BY ABOUT 23 SECONDS. NOW WE ARE UNDERGOING ENVIRONMENTAL I'M SORRY, EMERGENCY VEHICLE PREEMPTION. AND WHAT THAT WILL DO IS, AS A FIRE APPARATUS IS APPROACHING A SIGNAL, THE SIGNAL WILL RECOGNIZE A DEVICE IN THE VEHICLE AND WILL TURN THAT LIGHT TO GREEN SO THAT NUMBER COULD BE REDUCED. THE LISTING PRICE IS 1.08 MILLION. THIS WAS A PRICE THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER FELT WAS REASONABLE. THE CITY CONDUCTED AN APPRAISAL IN 2025. I BELIEVE WE GOT IT IN NOVEMBER, AND THE APPRAISED VALUE CAME BACK AT 1 MILLION. THE 1 MILLION TOOK INTO ACCOUNT THE. 1.25 ACRES OF WETLANDS. IT DID NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ANY SOIL REMOVAL, REPLACEMENT OR ENGINEERING COSTS. THE APPRAISAL DOES NOTE THAT THE APPRAISED VALUE IS ASSUMING THAT ALL OF THE WETLANDS ARE MITIGATED, MITIGATED, AND THE ENTIRE SITE IS DEVELOPABLE. THERE IS CURRENTLY WATER ON SITE, BUT THERE IS NO SEWER CURRENTLY AVAILABLE. THE CLOSEST SEWER, THE LIFT STATION, IS PROBABLY ABOUT 300FT TO THE EAST ADJACENT TO WALMART, AND THIS WOULD REQUIRE AN EASEMENT. THE ACCESS TO THE SITE. THERE'S. THERE IS NO LIMITATIONS TO ACCESS OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, WE. WITH THE EGRESS GOING. EMERGENCY EGRESS COMING OUT OF THE SITE FOR THE FIRE APPARATUS, IT WOULD ALIGN WITH POURCEL AVENUE. BUT THE RETURN FOR EMPLOYEES AND FOR THE APPARATUS WOULD HAVE TO BE IN A DIFFERENT AREA OF THE SITE, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE THE CITY TO NEGOTIATE SOME DRIVEWAY ACCESS OR AGREEMENT WITH EITHER WALMART OR CLUB 52 TO THE WEST. AS FOR FISCAL IMPACT, IF IT IS DEVELOPED AS A FIRE STATION, THIS TAKES IT OFF THE TAX ROLLS AND THEREFORE THERE WOULD BE A LOSS IN PROPERTY TAX REVENUE IF IT WERE ALTERNATIVELY DEVELOPED AS COMMERCIAL. OKAY. SITE TWO THIS IS THE PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED JIMMY MOORE PARK. THIS IS OWNED BY THE CITY. IT'S APPROXIMATELY 3.31 ACRES, WHICH IS REPRESENTED WITH THE PURPLE MAGENTA COLOR THERE. THE FUTURE LAND USE IS RECREATION. THE ZONING IS INSTITUTIONAL. THE FIRE STATION, WHILE PERMITTED IN THE ZONING DISTRICT, IS NOT ALLOWED IN THE FUTURE LAND USE AREA OF RECREATION. SO A FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT WOULD BE REQUIRED. THIS IS WHAT WAS BROUGHT TO YOU ALL BACK IN JULY 8TH, 2025. IF PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO ENVIRONMENTAL SITE ASSESSMENT WAS NOT REQUIRED, WE ARE THE PROPERTY OWNERS. WE KNOW THE SITE GEOTECH WAS ALSO NOT REQUIRED. THERE ARE NO WETLANDS PRESENT PRESENT. THE RESPONSE TIME WOULD BE REDUCED BY ABOUT 10S, WHILE AN EIGHT INCH SEWER IS AVAILABLE ON THE SITE. THE WATER CONNECTION WOULD REQUIRE A DIRECTIONAL BORE UNDER SARNO, WHICH OF COURSE HAS A MONETARY IMPACT. THERE IS NO ACCESS IMPEDIMENTS ON THIS SITE AND THE FISCAL IMPACT WOULD BE NONE BECAUSE WE OWN THE SITE, IT'S ALREADY TAX EXEMPT. WE HELD A COMMUNITY MEETING ON APRIL 20TH HERE IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS. WE HAD ABOUT 20 RESIDENTS THAT SHOWED UP AND VOICED THEIR OPINIONS. TO SUMMARIZE, THE BIGGEST CONCERN WAS PROBABLY THE LOSS OF GREEN SPACE. THE CONCERNS FOLLOWED BY THAT WERE RELATED TO DRAINAGE, NOISE, HEIGHT AND SIZE OF THE FACILITY. NOW, WHILE I'M ON THIS SITE, I'LL JUST QUICKLY RECAP WHAT WAS BROUGHT UP AT THE JULY 8TH COUNCIL MEETING, AND THAT'S RELATED TO THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION AND THE AND WHAT WAS PROPOSED ON THE MAGENTA AREA. NOT ANY OF THE FUTURE PROPOSED ELSEWHERE ON THE SITE. SO THE ESTIMATED COST OF CONSTRUCTION WAS JUST SHY OF 12 MILLION. THIS DID NOT. THIS INCLUDED THE FIRE STATION AND THE ADJACENT PARKING ON SITE. IT DID NOT INCLUDE DEMO OF THE

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THERE'S ALSO NO GEOTECH IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE PROPERTY REPRESENTATIVE, WE UNDERSTOOD THAT THEY WOULD ONLY ALLOW PHASE ONE OR GEOTECH IF THE CITY WENT UNDER CONTRACT, SO THAT WOULD HAPPEN WITHIN THE DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD. THE RESPONSE TIME IN THIS LOCATION WOULD BE REDUCED BY SEVEN SECONDS. THERE WAS NO LISTING. PRICE OF PROPERTY IS NOT ACTUALLY LISTED FOR SALE. THE SELLER, IN TALKING WITH HIM, HE GOT A THEY GOT A VERBAL OFFER PROBABLY BACK IN 2023. AND THAT VERBAL OFFER WAS FOR CONDOS. AND THAT VERBAL OFFER WAS FOR 5 TO 5.5 MILLION. WE RECEIVED THE APPRAISAL TODAY. TOTAL THREE ACRES IS 1,000,333 $1,330,000 FOR ALL THREE PARCELS. THERE'S CURRENTLY NO SEWER AVAILABLE ON SITE. IN FACT, THERE IS A SEPTIC TANK AND THAT SEPTIC TANK WOULD HAVE TO BE ABANDONED. THERE WOULD BE A POTENTIAL EASEMENT REQUIRED TO BRING THE SEWER TO THAT SITE. THERE IS NO PERCEIVED IMPEDIMENT TO ACCESS.

HOWEVER, I WILL NOTE THAT AND I APOLOGIZE. I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED THIS A LITTLE BIT EARLIER ON UNDER THE WETLANDS, THAT GREEN AREA, THERE IS WETLANDS. SO THE THIRD PARCEL IS ENTIRELY WETLANDS. AND APPROXIMATELY THERE'S I THINK IT'S ABOUT 2.26 ACRES OF THE PARCEL THAT IS ALSO WETLANDS. SO ALL THAT TO NOTE, WE DID GET AN APPRAISAL FOR THREE ALL THREE PROPERTIES, BUT WE ALSO GOT AN APPRAISAL THAT GAVE US A VALUATION FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY. WHILE THERE'S NO IMPEDIMENT TO ACCESS, IF THE CITY DID NOT PURCHASE THE THIRD SITE, WHICH IS THE PARCEL COMPLETELY MADE UP OF MADE UP OF WETLANDS, THAT PROPERTY WOULD BE LANDLOCKED. HOWEVER, IT IS PERCEIVED TO BE UNDEVELOPABLE WITHOUT A LOT OF MITIGATION. THE FISCAL IMPACT THERE WILL BE A LOSS OF PROPERTY TAX REVENUE IF IT WAS DEVELOPED AS A FIRE STATION, BECAUSE IT WOULD TAKE IT OFF THE PROPERTY TAX ROLLS. I WILL NOTE THAT THIS SITE ACTUALLY HAS ACTIVE CODE VIOLATIONS. THE CITY HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER FOR A LITTLE OVER A YEAR. SO SINCE MARCH 2025, THEY HAVE STRUGGLED TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE. THE CODE BOARD HAS GIVEN THEM SEVERAL EXTENSIONS. THEY'RE CURRENTLY ON AN EXTENSION THAT RUNS THROUGH JUNE 2ND, 2026. THIS SITE HERE IS A IS TRYING TO PROVIDE A APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON ON THE COST FOR EACH SITE. SO SITE ONE BOOZER. IT PROVIDES YOU THE ACQUISITION COST. THAT'S THE ASKING PRICE FROM THE FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER. THE WETLAND MITIGATION ESTIMATED COST. THE SITE REMEDIATION COSTS. THE ENVIRONMENTAL REMEDIATION IN THIS CASE IS ZERO. ANY WATER AND SEWER COSTS THAT ARE ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT NORMAL CONSTRUCTION WOULD REQUIRE, AND THEN ANY OTHER POTENTIAL COSTS RELATED TO THE SITE. SO IN THIS CASE, THIS WOULD BE DRIVEWAY ACCESS AND EASEMENTS REQUIRED FROM ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS. THE SITE DESIGN AND ENGINEERING AND CONSTRUCTION BIDDING. WHILE WE HAD A PROTOTYPE FIRE STATION CREATED FOR THE JIMMY MOORE PARK, IF WE WERE TO PUT THAT ON ANOTHER SITE, WE WOULD NEED TO MODIFY THE SITE DESIGN. SO THAT IS SAYING 741,000 APPROXIMATELY IT WOULD TAKE TO REDESIGN THE SITE, ENGINEER THE SITE, AND THEN PUT IT OUT TO BID. SITE NUMBER TWO, JIMMY MOORE WE OWN THE PROPERTY $0 ACQUISITION. THERE'S NO WETLANDS. THERE'S NO SITE REMEDIATION REQUIRED. THERE'S NO ENVIRONMENTAL REMEDIATION REQUIRED. WATER AND SEWER. THE ASTERISK IS KIND OF SMALL. BUT WHAT THAT IS NOTING THERE IS THE WATER AND SEWER CONSTRUCTION. THAT COST IS ALREADY FACTORED INTO THE CONSTRUCTION ESTIMATE OF THE $11.95 MILLION. AND AGAIN, DEPENDING ON IF COUNCIL WERE TO SELECT JIMMY MOORE, IF THEY WANTED TO MODIFY THE SITE, MAYBE REDUCE THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT, THAT ESTIMATE TO REDESIGN WOULD BE $641,000. SITE THREE THE BELL SITE. AGAIN, THE ASKING PRICE WETLAND

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I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. IF ANYTHING I CAN'T ANSWER. WE'VE GOT COLLEAGUES BEHIND ME WHO ARE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM AS WELL. I JUST WANT TO ADD, IF I COULD ADD REAL QUICK, WE DID RECEIVE AN APPRAISAL TODAY. DID YOU DID YOU MENTION THE PRICE? OKAY, 1.33 MIL, 1.33 MILLION. AND THEIR REPRESENTATIVE THOUGHT THAT 5 TO 5.5 MILLION WAS INAPPROPRIATE TODAY. DID YOU SPEAK TO THEM TODAY OR. I PROVIDED THE REPRESENTATIVE A COPY OF THE APPRAISAL, AND HE SAID HE WOULD PROVIDE IT TO THE OWNER. THAT'S $4 MILLION DIFFERENCE. OKAY. YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. IF THERE'S NO QUESTION, WE DO HAVE SOME SPEAKERS. I MEAN, I LIKE I LIKE THE BELL PROPERTY IN A LOT OF WAYS BECAUSE WE, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF OTHER PUTTING SOCCER FIELDS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN THE, HAVING THE FRONT END OF IT. I KNOW IT'S PRICE IS A LITTLE BIT OUT OF SIGHT THERE, BUT HAVING IT SO THAT YOU HAD A SOCCER FIELD, BECAUSE THERE WAS NOTHING BEEN DONE IN THAT SIDE OF THE. AS LONG AS I PROBABLY SINCE THE 60S IN THAT AREA. SO THERE'S NO SOCCER FIELDS IN THE CITY OF MELBOURNE REALLY. I MEAN, THERE, I THINK THERE'S THE CROTON, BUT THAT'S WICKHAM PARK. YEAH. I THINK IF I REMEMBER RIGHT DOWN. FLORIDA AVENUE, I THINK THERE'S SOCCER FIELDS THERE, BUT THOSE ARE ABOUT THE ONLY SOCCER FIELDS WE HAVE IN THE CITY THAT I CAN THAT I'VE BEEN THINKING OF, THAT IF WE HAD SOMETHING DIFFERENT SO WE COULD BRING FAMILIES BACK IN HERE. WE ARE AN OLDER CITY. WE'RE NOT LIKE VIERA, WHERE WE HAVE THE NEW FAMILIES MOVING IN THAT WE NEED TO ATTRACT PEOPLE COMING IN WITH FAMILIES WHERE THEY'RE NOT TRAVELING, AS THEY CALL THEM.

WICKHAM, WICKHAM WARRIORS, RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD. YEAH. GO AHEAD SIR. THANK YOU. GREAT PRESENTATION. GREAT OVERVIEW AND COMPARISON OF THE DIFFERENT SITES. SO YOU MENTIONED THE COST WHICH I THINK IS 11.5 MILLION. THAT WOULD BE FOR THE CURRENT DESIGN THAT WE SAW FOR THE CONSTRUCTION ESTIMATE FROM THAT ENGINEER WAS 11.95 MIL. OKAY.

AND IF ANY OTHER SITE WAS CHOSEN, THAT COST WOULD HAVE TO BE THAT DESIGN WOULD HAVE TO BE CHANGED FOR THAT TYPE OF FACILITY. MINIMAL DESIGN. IT LOOKS LIKE FOR THE MOST PART, THE THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT WOULD FIT ON THE SITE YOU'RE REALLY LOOKING AT. BLESS YOU.

CHANGING UP THE PARKING CONFIGURATION, THE STORMWATER. SO THERE WILL BE SOME ADDITIONAL COST FOR REDESIGN, BUT YOU CAN EXPECT THAT TO BE THE ROUGH CONSTRUCTION ESTIMATE AS A STARTING POINT. AND SO MY THIS IS MY FINAL QUESTION. SO IF THE JIMMY MOORE PARK SITE WAS CHOSEN, DEPENDING ON OUR DISCUSSION HERE, IS THERE ANY ROOM TO DO MORE DESIGN FOR THE PARK ITSELF TO KIND OF MAKE IT THE OVERALL OVERALL PROJECT? OR ARE WE PRETTY MUCH STUCK FISCALLY WITH WHERE WE ARE? WELL, I WILL JUST NOTE THAT IT WASN'T INCLUDED IN THE CONSTRUCTION ESTIMATE. THERE WERE ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION. THERE WERE DISCUSSIONS ON ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS AND AMENITIES AT THE PARK. I REMEMBER SOME OF THOSE. BARRING THAT, THAT WAS IN ADDITION TO THE CONSTRUCTION AND NOT PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE FIRE STATION PROJECT. THERE WAS SOME MINOR PUBLIC PARKING ON THE SAME SITE AS THE FIRE STATION, AND THAT WAS TAKING THAT ILLEGAL PARKING THAT'S CURRENTLY HAPPENING ON SARNO AND BRINGING THAT ONTO THE SITE AND PUTTING IN HARD CURBING. AND IF I REMEMBER, IT WAS SORT OF A MUSEUM OR SOME TYPE OF INTERACTIVE CONCEPT WITH THE BUILDING DESIGN. ALSO, THERE'S A BAY THAT WAS PROPOSED FOR THE HISTORIC FIRE TRUCK, AND THERE WAS A COMMUNITY ROOM PROPOSED FOR EDUCATIONAL TRAINING FOR FIRE PERSONNEL, AND WOULD ALSO SERVE AS AN EOC. OKAY, OKAY, MR. NEWMAN. SO I'M GOING TO BE AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY BUDGET HAWK SO THAT ENGINEERING DOESN'T THINK I PICK AND CHOOSE. WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE OF PRICE HERE ON ALL OF THESE, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE THE, THE, THE CUT COSTS OF, YOU KNOW, 12 MILLION TO REPLACE THE FIRE STATION, ALL THAT. SO I'M NOT GOING TO NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT THOSE ONES THAT ARE ALREADY BUDGETED IN, BUT JUST SPECIFICALLY FOR SITE ACQUISITION. IF WE CHOSE A SITE OTHER THAN JIMMY MOORE PARK, WHERE ARE WE EATING INTO OUR ABILITY TO DO OTHER PROJECTS NEXT YEAR AS WE'RE APPROACHING BUDGET YEAR IN A SIGNIFICANT WAY, IS THERE SOME FUNDS THAT ARE UTILIZED THAT CAN MAYBE OFFSET SOME OF THAT PAIN GOING INTO BUDGET SEASON? JUST WANT TO KNOW YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON WHERE WE COULD CUT THE, YOU KNOW, CUT THE GAP ON THAT FROM

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SO RIGHT THERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S ABOUT A MILLION AS FAR AS ANYTHING IN TERMS OF BUDGET IMPACT, WHAT WE GO OUT FOR A BOND FOR, WE HAVE SOME MONEY THAT WE HAVE ALLOCATED THAT WE HAVE IN CASH, BUT WE HAVE IN OUR FUNDING RIGHT NOW. BUT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE TO BOND THE REMAINING AMOUNT. SO THAT MEANS WE'LL JUST HAVE TO BOND THAT MUCH MORE. IT COULD POSSIBLY DELAY A THE NEXT STATION UP IS 73. I DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO GO ON RECORD AS SAYING IT WILL DELAY IT. IT COULD CAUSE POTENTIAL DELAYS DEPENDING ON THE FUNDING. AND IF THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS KEEP GOING UP LIKE THEY ARE, IT YOU KNOW, IT VERY WELL COULD CAUSE THE DELAY. WE, WE, WE'RE TRYING TO SAVE AS MUCH MONEY AS POSSIBLE ON STATION 73, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AHEAD. SO WE'RE WE'RE TRYING EVERYTHING POSSIBLE. SO TO BE CLEAR THEN THIS WOULDN'T NECESSARILY DIRECTLY IMPACT THE BUDGET BECAUSE THIS CAN ALL BE PUT INTO THE BOND. THIS DOESN'T HAVE TO BE OUTSIDE OF THE BOND THAT WE DO. IT WILL IT WILL LIMIT HOW MUCH MORE WE CAN BORROW IN THE FUTURE. BUT I MEAN, AS FAR AS WHAT WE'RE I GUESS YOU'RE SAYING, IS THE FINANCE DIRECTOR TWITCHING BACK THERE? NO. AM I GOOD? YEAH. OKAY. I'M GOOD. ALL RIGHT.

JENNY AND I SPOKE BEFORE ABOUT THIS IS THAT IF WE PUT LIKE A SOCCER FIELD IN THE BACK PART, LET'S SAY IN THE FRONT, IF IT'S DESIGNED, PUT THE FIREHOUSE IN THE FRONT, PUT A FIRE, PUT A SOCCER FIELD IN THE BACK. AND I THINK YOU TOLD ME THAT THERE'S CERTAIN CERTAIN GRANTS THAT WE COULD GET TOWARDS THE PURCHASE OF THAT. BUT WHEN WHICH PROPERTY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? THE BELL PROPERTY, THAT PUTTING PART OF THAT SAYING, SINCE IT'S SUCH A LARGE PROPERTY, WE COULD PUT THE BACK PART ASSUMING BACK PART, THAT WE WOULD PUT THAT AS A RECREATIONAL BECAUSE IT'S BROWN WATER, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO SAY, THAT WE COULD GET GRANTS THAT WE WOULD NOT HAVE TO COME UP WITH ALL THAT MONEY. WHEN ASKED THAT QUESTION BEFORE ON IF WE COULD, I DON'T KNOW.

AS FAR AS SITE SIZE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN FIT THAT INTO IF IF THE IF NOT THE SITE, THE SITE. THREE IF WE CAN FIT THE FIRE STATION IN THERE, IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL ROOM TO FIT A SOCCER FIELD OF SOME SORT, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD WORK WITH THE GRANT PROCESS. THERE IS A GRANT OUT THERE FOR LIKE BROWNFIELDS TO RECREATION. I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NAME OF IT.

OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, THERE IS A GRANT OUT THERE FOR THAT TYPE OF THING, BUT WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THIS NECESSARILY QUALIFIES BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T BEEN OUT. WE CAN'T START THOSE THOSE ASSESSMENTS. I'M JUST SAYING THAT. SO THAT WOULD MITIGATE SOME OF THE COST OF OF THAT PROPERTY RIGHT THERE. WE'LL KIND OF WHEN WE SAY, GRANT, HOW MUCH IS THAT? GRANT? AND IT'S GOING TO DEPEND BECAUSE THERE'S A BROWNFIELDS CLEANUP GRANT, AND THEN THERE IS ANOTHER GRANT FOR HELPING TO MITIGATE THE COST OF DEVELOPING THE SITE. BUT IT WOULD BE LIMITED ON THE ACREAGE YOU COULD USE IT ON. IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME OF IT'S FOR FIRE STATION, SOME OF IT'S FOR RECREATION. THEY'RE ASKING I MEAN, THEY'RE PUTTING OUT THERE.

I, AS WE ALL KNOW, NEGOTIATION. YOU'RE GOING TO PUT YOUR BEST, YOU KNOW, HIGHEST PRICE OUT THERE. SO I'M THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE. IT ON THE EAST SIDE OF WICKHAM ROAD, BECAUSE I KNOW HOW IMPORTANT THAT IS TO BE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE ROAD. BEING SOMEBODY THAT USES THAT USE, HAS HAD TO USE THE FIRE STATIONS AND HELPED ME A LOT.

SO THAT'S WHY I'M PUTTING IT ON THE WEST SIDE. WHEN YOU YOU SAY IT'S A FEW SECONDS, BUT WHEN IT'S YOUR PARENT HAVING A HEART ATTACK OR YOU'RE IN AN ACCIDENT AND YOU NEED TO GET TAKEN OUT OF A VEHICLE, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT TIMING, YOU THINK IT'S, IT'S THERE. BUT THEN IT, IT'S THE TIMING IS VERY IMPORTANT. YOU SAY IT'S SECONDS, SECONDS COUNT. RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE GOT SOME SPEAKERS. IF IT'S ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET WE'RE GOING TO GO AND HAVE SOME SPEAKERS. WE'LL START OUT WITH SHERRY DAVIS FOLLOWED BY STACY SAUNDERS. UP HERE. THANK YOU. HI. I'M REALLY NERVOUS, SO DON'T BE NERVOUS. BEAR WITH ME.

ME TOO. WE LOVE OUR PARK AND WE DON'T WANT TO LOSE THE PARK. YOU'VE GOT TWO OTHER GOOD

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EITHER ONE OF THEM. YOU'RE YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT LOSING MONEY ON THE TAX ROLLS, RIGHT? IF YOU PUT THE NEW FIRE STATION ON THE BELL PROPERTY OR BEHIND WALMART, YOU HAVE A PRIME CORNER, SARNO AND WICKHAM ROAD PRIME CORNER, WHERE 72 IS NOW. CAN'T YOU PUT IT UP FOR SALE, SELL IT AND GET SOME OF THAT MONEY BACK. AND I MEAN, INSTEAD OF TEARING IT DOWN OR I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR PLANS, I DON'T WANT TO STARE AT AN EMPTY BUILDING ON THAT BUSY INTERSECTION. BUT CONSIDER THAT PUTTING THAT STATION UP FOR SALE TO HELP PAY FOR A NEW STATION SOMEWHERE ELSE. THIS BIG, HUGE NEW FIRE STATION THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING. WE DON'T NEED IT. WE NEED A GOOD FIRE STATION. WE DON'T NEED THE MEETING ROOM. WE JUST HAD A BRAND NEW POLICE STATION BUILT THAT HAS A MEETING ROOM IN IT THAT IS AVAILABLE TWO MILES FROM FROM 72. I MEAN, WHY CAN'T THAT BE TAKEN OFF OF THE PLANS? I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S NECESSARY. THIS ROOM THAT YOU'RE USING TO HOUSE A ANTIQUE FIRE STATION. I DON'T HAVE A GARAGE AT MY HOUSE. I HAVE A CARPORT. CAN'T YOU PUT JUST A A CARPORT OR COVER IT WITH A TARP? WE DO NOT NEED A ROOM TO HOUSE A ANTIQUE FIRE STATION. I JUST DON'T, I THINK IT'S A WASTE OF MONEY. THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. THAT PARK USED TO BE SO GOOD IN THE 80S. IT WAS FULL OF EQUIPMENT FULL, AND THAT PARK WAS BUSY ALL THE TIME. SWINGS, SLIDES, SEESAWS, TEETER TOTTERS, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT. MERRY GO ROUNDS, BATHROOMS. AND THAT PARK WAS UTILIZED ALL THE TIME. OVER THE YEARS, YOU GUYS HAVE REMOVED EQUIPMENT. JUST RECENTLY, SOME APPARATUS WAS REMOVED AND YOU WONDER WHY THE PARK DOESN'T GET USED MORE, BUT IT DOES GET USED. AND PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE MONEY. NEED A PLACE TO GO THAT'S FREE. ALL RIGHT. STACY SAUNDERS, FOLLOWED BY ANNE MARIE LAVOIE. MY NAME IS STACY SAUNDERS. I'VE LIVED HERE MY WHOLE LIFE IN EAU GALLIE. THE PARK IS MY BACKYARD. I'D REALLY LIKE FOR YOU TO CONSIDER THE OTHER TWO SITES. OTHER THAN THE PARK. I KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE MORE MONEY. THE PARK IS. WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO DESTROY IN THE PARK? JUST 100 YEAR OLD TREES THAT HAVE BEEN THERE PROVIDING SHADE FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE PARK. ONE OF THE LAST TIMES WE WERE HERE TALKING ABOUT THIS, MR. MAYOR, YOU YOU OFFICIALLY SAID JULY WAS PARKS AND RECS MONTH, AND I JUST IMPLORE YOU TO NOT TAKE AWAY THE PARK THAT WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF GREEN SPACES. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MAKING IT A SOCCER FIELD OR WHATEVER. OVER SPRING BREAK, THERE WAS A FAMILY PLAYING FLAG FOOTBALL OUT THERE. THE PARK DOES GET USED AND I JUST IT WE NEED WE NEED MORE GREEN SPACES AND FREE SPACES. YOU WANT TO ADD IN THE LAST THING YOU BROUGHT UP A BOCCE BALL COURT AND CORNHOLE AND A WORKOUT ROUTINE AROUND THE POND. NO CHILDREN WANT TO DO THAT. THEY WANT TO PLAY ON EQUIPMENT AND USE THEIR IMAGINATION AND RUN AND BE CHILDREN. I THINK IT'S A BIG MISTAKE TO TAKE UP THE WHOLE PARK. JIMMY MOORE WAS A POLICE OFFICER, A DEDICATED POLICE OFFICER TO OUR TOWN, AND THAT PARK WAS DEDICATED TO HIM AND AND FAMILIES TO COME AND, AND ENJOY THE PARK. AND MR. MAYOR, I HOPE THAT YOU STICK WITH YOUR PLAN AND YOU PICK ANOTHER SITE FOR THE PARK. AND

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IT WAS VOTED ON IN JULY. I BELIEVE EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER SEEMED TO AGREE IT WAS NOT A GOOD PLACE TO PUT IT. IT WAS VOTED DOWN. UNFORTUNATELY, THERE WAS ONE, NO ONE, NO VOTE, AND THAT WAS UNFORTUNATELY, THE PERSON THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE OUR VOICE. IT WAS VOTED DOWN IN ON JULY 8TH. AND IN FACT, MAYOR ALFREY, YOU SAID WE SHOULD PUT MONEY INTO THE PARK TO MAKE IT BETTER. YOU SAID PUTTING IT IN JIMMY MOORE PARK WAS NOT A GOOD IDEA, AND YOU WERE VERY OPPOSED TO IT AS WELL AS, LIKE I SAID, EVERYONE ON THE COUNCIL EXCEPT THE ONE PERSON WHO IS SUPPOSED TO REPRESENT OUR VOICES. IT'S VERY, VERY DISCOURAGING. THAT PERSON IS SUPPOSED TO REPRESENT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. MIMI HANLEY. HOWEVER, IT KEEPS BEING PUT BACK IN AS AN OPTION. WHY WE DON'T WANT IT THERE. PLEASE STOP PUTTING THIS BACK IN. WE DON'T WANT IT IN OUR BACKYARD.

WE DON'T WANT IT THAT CLOSE. THE DIRT AND THE GRASS FOR THE GROUND AND THE DRAINAGE NEEDED.

THE BIG OAK TREES, THE OTHER TREES. THEY'RE MUCH NICER TO LOOK AT THAN AN EIGHT FOOT HIGH CONCRETE WALL. WE DON'T WANT THAT IN OUR BACKYARD. YOU'RE TAKING AWAY GREEN SPACE. YOU'RE TAKING AWAY THE GROUNDS FOR THE CHILDREN TO PLAY AT. MY CHILDREN PLAYED THERE WHEN THEY GREW UP. THEY GREW UP IN THAT HOUSE. OUR FOUR CHILDREN, OTHER PEOPLE BRING THEIR CHILDREN THERE. WE SIT OUT BACK ALMOST EVERY SINGLE NIGHT AND WATCH THE SUNSET, AND I CAN HEAR THE SWINGS SQUEAKING AND CREAKING. SO I KNOW THE CHILDREN ARE PLAYING THERE AND NOT ON TOP OF THAT. WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A REALLY LARGE BUILDING, A LOT OF CONCRETE.

AND IT'S LIKE YOU'RE TRYING TO SHOVE THIS GINORMOUS AMOUNT OF CONCRETE AND THIS BIG BUILDING INTO THIS SMALL AREA. WHY ARE WE TRYING TO FORCE IT INTO THIS? BECAUSE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IF YOU NEED TO EXPAND? THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOUR LISTENING TO ME, DONNA BOYD, FOLLOWED BY LANT KOTOWSKI. THANK YOU. WELL, IT'S THE THIRD TIME UP HERE I'M STARTING TO GET TO KNOW YOU GUYS. HOW'S IT GOING? GOOD EVENING. SO I HAVE A QUESTION. MAYBE I'M JUST MISSING SOMETHING, BUT JULY 8TH, WE VOTED OR YOU VOTED. DENIED IT, RIGHT? POSTED ON FACEBOOK.

IT WAS DENIED. IT'S ALL DENIED. DENIED, DENIED. SO HOW DID WE GET A LETTER AND THEN HAVE A MEETING ON APRIL 20TH SAYING THAT IT'S LIKE ALL OF A SUDDENLY NOT DENIED. IT'S LIKE BACK IN ACTION. SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND IF YOU ALL VOTED YAY OR NAY LIKE YOU DID WITH OTHER ISSUES TONIGHT, THAT'S TO TO SEND SOMETHING FORWARD, RIGHT? WE HAVE AN ISSUE, A PROBLEM.

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AND THAT'S WHAT THAT PRESENTATION WAS, THE COST, THE ENGINEERING, WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO BUILD SO THAT THIS IS GOING THROUGH A PROCESS WHERE, AND I APOLOGIZE IF IT FEELS LIKE I GOT A LETTER AND THIS IS WHERE IT'S GOING, THAT'S NOT EVEN THE LAST MEETING MISS HANLEY HAD BROUGHT UP. LISTEN, THERE'S A ANOTHER LOCATION AND WE DIRECTED STAFF TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND SAY, LISTEN, WHAT ABOUT THIS? WHAT ABOUT THIS SITE? BECAUSE THIS IS A VERY DELICATE. AND AGAIN, I ALREADY I'M GOING TO STAND WITH WHAT I SAID. WE NEED MORE PARKS. YOU KNOW, I THINK KIDS NEED TO GET THE HELL OFF THEIR GAMES AND GET OUTSIDE AND GET, GET RID OF SOME OF THAT ENERGY. AND YOU DON'T DO THAT BY LOSING PART OF A PARK. SO CAN I GRAB A COUPLE MORE SECONDS, SIR? NO. ABSOLUTELY. NO, NO. AND I TOOK PART OF YOUR TIME. ABSOLUTELY.

PLEASE GO AHEAD. NO, I APPRECIATE YOU BECAUSE I'M I'M I WAS CONFUSED. I'M VOTING NO.

AND BUT JUST REGARDING THE THE PLACEMENT OF IT AS WELL, LIKE ANN MARIE SAID ABOUT, YOU KNOW, FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OR OUR TRAINING CENTER, I MEAN, ALL THE, ALL YOU'RE GOING TO GET FOR A TRAINING CENTER AT JIMMY MOORE PARK IS A FOUR STORY STAIRCASE. WELL, THE TRAINING CENTER IS NOT GOING TO BE THERE. OKAY. SO THAT SO THERE'S A FOUR STORY STAIRCASE OR ARE STILL GOING TO GO THERE. THEN WE HAVEN'T MADE ANY DECISIONS. HOLD ON, HOLD ON, MISS LIAM, THE STAIRWELL, THE ENCLOSED STAIRWELL IS PART OF THE CURRENT DESIGN. AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT DURING THE COMMUNITY MEETING WE DID BRING UP THAT IF WE REMOVED IT, WOULD THAT MAKE IT MORE ACCEPTABLE TO BE ON THE SITE? AND THERE WAS A RESOUNDING NO FROM THE RESIDENTS THAT WERE AT THAT SITE OR AT THAT MEETING. OKAY. THANK YOU. RESOUNDING NO.

MEANING WHAT? LEAVE IT THERE OR TAKE IT AWAY BECAUSE I'M I DON'T WANT IT BECAUSE IT'S FIRST OF ALL, IT'S A HUGE EYESORE RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF A RESIDENTIAL AREA. AND, AND MY WHOLE THING IS NOISE. I MEAN, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE TRAINING, RIGHT? AND ARE THEY GOING TO BE TRAINING AT NIGHT? ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE INTER-DEPARTMENTAL TRAINING? WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE. I MEAN, WHAT IT'S RIGHT. YOU KNOW YOU'VE SEEN IT. YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN THERE. YOU SEE WHERE THE HOUSES ARE, YOU KNOW, AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT NOISE. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A GIANT, YOU KNOW, THING SITTING THERE THAT LOOKS LIKE AN EYESORE. BUT I'M SORRY. GIVE ME ONE MORE SECOND. NO. GO AHEAD SIR. BUT AGAIN. YEAH, I'M GLAD THE TRAINING FACILITY. THAT'S NOT. I MEAN, IF WE COULD TAKE THAT TOWER AWAY AND PUT IT AT WHEREVER THE TRAINING FACILITY IS GOING TO GO. I MEAN, WHY NOT? BECAUSE THAT WOULD HELP ME OUT, BECAUSE THEN THERE WOULDN'T BE THIS BIG EYESORE RIGHT THERE ON THE CORNER WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE LIVE. I MEAN, AND THE GREEN SPACE STINKS TOO. IT'S IN, YOU KNOW, IN THE LETTER IT SAID PERCEIVED, BUT IT'S ACTUAL AND IT'S 40%. YEAH. BUT THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING MY QUESTION. I MEAN, I, I DON'T WANT IT THERE. I DON'T I THINK IT'S A BAD SPOT. IT'S LIKE TRYING TO PUT A SQUARE PEG IN A ROUND HOLE. IT SHOULD GO IN A COMMERCIAL AREA AREA WITH MORE LAND. NOT RIGHT THERE, YOU KNOW, NEXT TO A RESIDENTIAL AREA. BUT THANK YOU. HAVE A GREAT EVENING. AND.

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APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. I JUST WANT TO START BY SAYING THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR DECISIVE, DECISIVE ACTION IN REJECTING THE PROPOSAL FOR FIRE STATION 72 AND JIMMY MOORE PARK ON OCTOBER 14TH. YOUR DEDICATION TO OUR COMMUNITY IS COMMENDABLE. TODAY, I WANT TO DISCUSS THE $2 MILLION RENOVATIONS AND CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN PROMISED FOR THE PARK. DURING THE STAFF MEETING ON APRIL 20TH, I HEARD SEVERAL PROPOSALS INCLUDING PHYSICAL FITNESS EQUIPMENT, BOCCE BALL AND CORNHOLE WOULD BE THERE. WHILE I APPRECIATE THE IDEAS PRESENTED, I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT HOW THESE PLANS MAY SHAPE THE FUTURE OF THE PARK AND HOW THE $2 MILLION WILL BE ALLOCATED TO ENSURE THAT WE CREATE A TRULY INCLUSIVE AND ENGAGING SPACE FOR OUR CHILDREN.

I URGE THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER HIRING AN OUTSIDE CONSULTANT TO DESIGN AN ALL INCLUSIVE CHILDREN'S PARK. THIS APPROACH WILL HELP US MAXIMIZE THE POTENTIAL OF OUR INVESTMENT AND BETTER SERVE OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS IMPORTANT MATTER. I THINK THAT. I, I KNOW SHANE, WE WENT TO SCHOOL TOGETHER, BUT WE'RE A LITTLE OVERESTIMATING. I THINK THAT THAT SITE AT WALMART, $1 MILLION FOR, YOU KNOW, MITIGATION IN THAT I THINK IS A LITTLE HIGH. SO I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE DAWN BELL SITE. YOU KNOW, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE SOME UNDERGROUND PROBLEMS THERE. AND THEY'RE NOT ALLOWING A CONTRACT BEFORE THEY EVEN LOOK AT IT. I JUST THINK, YOU KNOW, THE WALMART SITE IS PROBABLY THE BEST PLAN. BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. APPRECIATE IT. AND CHERYL. OKAY. GOOD EVENING.

HERE WE ARE AGAIN. I LIVE ON HOPE DRIVE. I'VE LIVED THERE FOR 35 YEARS. I'M ONE OF THE OLD PEOPLE NOW IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. BECAUSE WE'RE BEING REPLACED BY YOUNG FAMILIES. WE'RE BEING REPLACED BY YOUNG PEOPLE MOVING HERE TO WORK FOR PLACES LIKE GRUMMAN.

MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR WORKS FOR BLUE ORIGIN. THIS IS THE FUTURE. AND THEY WANT AMENITIES. THEY WANT PARKS THE SAME WAY. THEY WANT PARKS EVERYWHERE ELSE IN MELBOURNE AND BREVARD COUNTY.

THIS IS ONE OF THE PARKS THAT'S BEEN SEVERELY NEGLECTED, AND WE'VE HAD BLOCK GRANTS FOR A LOT OF PARKS, AND WE'VE DONE MAGNIFICENT THINGS WITH THAT MONEY, AND EVERYTHING'S HAD A LOT OF IMPROVEMENTS, BUT NOT THERE. AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO FIND THAT PROPERTY AGAIN. I HAD A LOT OF OTHER THINGS TO SAY, BUT THE PRESENTATION TOLD ME IT'S ALL ABOUT DOLLARS. WELL, IT WASN'T ALL ABOUT DOLLARS. WHEN YOU WERE LOOKING AT THIS DESIGN THAT WHEN I WAS HERE LAST TIME, THE COST WENT UP FROM 11 MILLION TO 13 TO MAYBE 18, WITH A LOT OF UNNECESSARY AMENITIES. I DON'T THINK YOU WERE NITPICKING THE PENNIES ON THAT. AND I ALSO THINK THAT THERE MIGHT BE SOME MONEY TO BE COLLECTED FROM THE CODE ENFORCEMENT ACROSS THE STREET.

I'VE SEEN PEOPLE COME IN HERE ABOUT TO LOSE THEIR HOUSE BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T PAY CODE ENFORCEMENT FINES. WE NEED ALL THE PARKS AND REC SPACE WE CAN GET. AND WHEN IT COMES TIME WHEN THE COUNTY IN PARTICULAR WANTS MONEY FOR THAT, THEY GIVE US ALL THESE WONDERFUL REASONS WHY WE NEED TO SUPPORT IT AND HOW IMPORTANT IT IS. IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE CITY OF MELBOURNE. WE ARE LIMITED IN SPACE AND WE'RE BRINGING IN A LOT MORE PEOPLE, A LOT OF APARTMENTS, AND YOU NEED TO TAKE CARE OF WHAT YOU HAVE IN THE WAY OF GREEN SPACE AND RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES. AND I THINK IF WE HAD SOME SOCCER FIELDS SOMEWHERE, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. AND I REALLY WANT TO ASK YOU TO DO A BETTER JOB OF REPRESENTING THE PEOPLE OF YOUR DISTRICT. I KNOW YOU COVER THE WHOLE CITY. EVERY MEMBER OF THIS COUNCIL IS THERE TO REPRESENT THE WHOLE CITY AND OUR INTERESTS. BUT YOU IN PARTICULAR ARE LOOKING AT THAT AREA, AND WE HAVE BEEN WE'VE HAD EVERYTHING DIRECTED OUR WAY TO THE TRASH, TO THE DUMP, TO THE HOMELESS CAMP. WE NEED BETTER REPRESENTATION AND YOU CAN DO IT. I SEE IT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT SOCCER. THINK THAT WAY BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T, SOMEBODY'S GOING TO COME IN AND REPLACE YOU AND DO A BETTER JOB. PLEASE DON'T TAKE AWAY THE PARK. CHOOSE ONE OF THE OTHER

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OKAY. AND A COUPLE QUESTIONS. WHAT'S WITH THE THE STAIRCASE? AND I'M JUST ASKING THESE QUESTIONS OUT LOUD. SO WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME, SAME, SAME PAGE BECAUSE WE'VE HAD PEOPLE DISCUSS THAT. THANK YOU. EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL. HOW YOU GUYS DOING THE STAIRWELL? THE ENCLOSED STAIRWELL IS IS NOT A TRAINING FACILITY. OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT BIG ENOUGH.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE FIVE ACRES FOR A STATE CERTIFIED TRAINING FACILITY. IT'S MORE FOR THE THE CREWS THAT WORK THERE TO HAVE A PLACE TO TRAIN FOR THEIR. THAT HEAVY RESCUE THAT WAS BOUGHT, PURCHASED TO GO WAS DESIGNED TO GO TO THE STATION THE ENTIRE WAY. IT DOES ALL THE SPECIAL OPERATIONS IN THE CITY TO INCLUDE CONFINED SPACE. THEY CAN UTILIZE THAT STAIRWELL FOR HOSE DEPLOYMENT AND CONFINED SPACE TRAINING RIGHT THERE ON SITE. IT IS NOT A TRAINING CENTER. IT'S NOT A TRAINING FACILITY. THERE'S BEEN SOME KIND OF MISCONCEPTION ON THAT, I THINK. YES, SIR. CORRECT. YEAH. I THINK ON THE NEXT SLIDE, I CAN TELL YOU THE EXACT SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THAT. IT'S NOT MUCH IN THE IN THE REALM OF SQUARE FOOTAGE. HOWEVER, I UNDERSTAND THE THE HEIGHT OF IT MAY BE A CONCERN TO SOME. OKAY, THAT THAT IS IN THE RED SQUARE THERE.

YEAH. THE. MAYOR. GOOD, GOOD. JUST A QUESTION WITH IF THE BUILDING WOULD GO ON TO THE BOOZER SITE, THEN WE CAN KEEP THAT HEIGHT RIGHT OF THAT STAIRWELL. IS THIS 3,051,500 INCLUSIVE OF THAT STAYING IN THERE? YES. OKAY. OKAY. MR. NEWMAN, SINCE WE GOT THEM, JUST BECAUSE THERE WAS ALSO DISCUSSION ABOUT THE MEETING SPACE, CAN YOU JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE MEETING SPACE, WHAT YOU GUYS ARE UTILIZING THAT FOR AND JUST RUNDOWN? YES, SIR. THIS THE WHOLE DESIGN OF THIS, THE FIRE STATION TO INCLUDE THE ANTIQUE TRUCK BECAUSE IT GOT BROUGHT UP TODAY. THAT ANTIQUE TRUCK WAS WAS FROM THE AN OLD O'GALLEY FIRE STATION. SO THE THOUGHT BEHIND IT WAS BY BUILDING A NEW STATION ON JIMMY MOORE, WHICH WE HAVE BEEN A PART OF FOR OVER 60 YEARS. ON THE OTHER CORNER, I UNDERSTAND THAT WAS TO BRING SOME COMMUNITY PRIDE FOR THEM TO SEE THEIR. THAT COMMUNITY'S OLD FIRE TRUCK, THAT DESIGN CAME THROUGH THE PEOPLE. THEY HELPED US DESIGN THAT. WE THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA.

THAT WAS FOR THE COMMUNITY, HONESTLY, FOR THEM TO HAVE SOME PRIDE IN THEIR NEW FIRE STATION.

IT IS CURRENTLY HOUSED AT STATION ONE IN THE SHED WHERE NOBODY REALLY GETS TO SEE IT.

SO IT WAS JUST AN IDEA. OBVIOUSLY IT CAN BE ELIMINATED IF THAT IS DESIRED BY THE COUNCIL. THE COMMUNITY ROOM WAS ALSO WITH THE COMMUNITY IN MIND, HENCE THE WORD COMMUNITY ROOM WITH THE LITTLE LEAGUE. I KNOW THE LITTLE LEAGUE I'VE COACHED AND PLAYED ON THAT FIELD. THEY USE THE PARK AS MUCH AS ANYBODY ELSE FOR THEM. IF THEY NEEDED TO HAVE BOARD MEETINGS OR THE PICKLEBALL MEMBERS. IF MISS CALDWELL NEEDED THAT ROOM FOR A MEETING SINCE IT'S ON A PARK,

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THANK YOU. YES, SIR. OKAY. GO AHEAD SIR. THANKS, CHIEF. SO BEING ON A COUNCIL A LITTLE BIT OVER A YEAR, WE HAVEN'T REALLY TALKED ABOUT WHAT ARE SOME OF THE CONCERNS OR THE LIMITATIONS OF THE SPACE. THAT'S AT JIMMY MOORE NOW. I HAVEN'T TAKEN A LOOK AT IT MYSELF, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN KIND OF GIVE ME A BIG PICTURE VIEW OF WHAT SOME OF THE ISSUES WITH THE CURRENT SITE IS, THE CURRENT WHERE THE CURRENT FIRE STATION SITS RIGHT NOW? YES, IT'S OUTSIDE OF IT BEING A 60 YEAR OLD BUILDING THAT WE'VE KIND OF USED ITS USEFUL LIFE OUT OF IT. IT'S TOO SMALL TO HOUSE ANOTHER UNIT. IT'S A TWO BAY STATION. THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS NOT IT'S NOT EVEN BIG ENOUGH TO HOUSE THE FIVE, FIVE PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE. NOW. HONESTLY, IT'S AN OLD RUNDOWN STATION. IT'S BEEN BURNT DOWN. IT'S BEEN RENOVATED TWICE. I MEAN, IT'S JUST WE'VE USED IT THE SITE. I WOULD LOVE TO STAY ON THAT CORNER. THE SITE'S JUST. IT'S ONLY AN ACRE.

IT'S NOT BIG ENOUGH TO BUILD ANYTHING. WE COULDN'T GET IT. I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE ENGINEERING PART OF IT. BUT YOU CAN'T REPLACE THIS. YOU CAN'T PUT A STATION THERE. IT'S TOO CLOSE TO THE INTERSECTION. AND THE THE FOOTPRINT OF THE PROPERTY DOESN'T, DOESN'T ALLOW US TO, TO REBUILD. AND JUST TO SORT OF REVISIT THE, THE WHY ARE WE LOOKING TO MOVE, MOVE THIS. AND I THINK WE WENT OVER SOME OF THIS IN OCTOBER, THE THE FIRE STATION 72, IT WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT TO SUPPORT A MUCH SMALLER COMMUNITY, AND IT ONLY WAS TO HOUSE THREE FIRE PERSONNEL. AND WE ARE PROPOSING, I BELIEVE, EIGHT. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. IN THE NEW LOCATION. AND SINCE IT WAS BUILT IN 1966, IT NO LONGER MEETS THE MINIMUM STANDARDS BY NFPA FOR A NEW FIRE STATION. AND MY FINAL QUESTION RELATED TO THAT, WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THAT OLD SITE, WHETHER WHETHER WE DECIDE TO MOVE ANY LOCATION? WHAT WILL HAPPEN WITH THAT? I'M ASSUMING WE'RE KNOCKING THAT BUILDING OVER. BUT YES, WE'RE GOING TO DEMO THE BUILDING. PART OF THAT TOO, HAS TO DO WITH SEWER CAPACITY, AND WE NEED THAT SEWER CAPACITY FOR WHEREVER WE GO. THE OTHER PART OF IT IS IT'S IT'S NOT REALLY SET UP FOR ANY TYPE OF COMMUNITY BUILDING AT THIS POINT. YOU FIGURE MOST OF IT IS IS BAYS AND, AND NOT AIR CONDITIONED SPACE. AND SO THIS BUILDING, UNLIKE SOME OF OUR OTHER BUILDINGS THAT, THAT WE HAVE REPURPOSED, THIS IS NOT ONE WE CAN REALLY REPURPOSE. SO IT WON'T BE REPURPOSED WHEN YOU'VE BEEN, WHEN YOU'VE BEEN INSIDE OF IT. IT'S SEEN ITS DAY. YEAH. YOU MAY, IT'S SEEN ITS DAY. I WILL, YOU MAY WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. TAKE A CLOSER LOOK. OKAY. SO OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS. GO AHEAD.

QUESTION. YOU SAY THAT YOU WOULD YOU WOULD DEMO THE BUILDING. BUT WHAT IS ACTUALLY OUR PLAN WITH THAT PROPERTY? BECAUSE MAYBE WE COULD SELL THAT AND TO PAY HELP PAY FOR SOME PART WE WE CANNOT SELL THAT PROPERTY. WELL, I SHOULDN'T, I SHOULDN'T SAY WE CANNOT SELL IT. THAT PROPERTY THE WAY THAT IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED, IT CAN'T BE USED FOR ANYTHING ELSE WITHOUT COMING TO COUNCIL AND MOVING FORWARD WITH THE REZONING PARCEL. I ALSO THINK THAT THERE ARE RESTRICTIONS ON IT FOR RECREATION OR CITY INSTITUTIONAL USE. RIGHT NOW. I WOULD JUST BECOME PART OF THE PARK SOME KIND OF WAY. JUST, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THE THE INITIAL DRAWINGS WERE IT WOULD BECOME PARKING. PARKING. YES.

AND IF YOU MOVE ONE SLIDE, KEVIN, IF YOU DON'T MIND, THERE'S. SORRY, I THINK THE OTHER DIRECTION. THE SITE PLAN WAS IN THERE. I THOUGHT IT WAS. I THOUGHT IT WAS THE ONE THE SLIDE BEFORE THE FIRE STATION THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DONE. THOSE IMPROVEMENTS RIGHT THERE ARE NOT BUDGETED. SO THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE PUT IN LIKE A FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. AND WHAT THAT WOULD DO WOULD ADD ADDITIONAL PARKING AND PAVILIONS AND SIDEWALKS THERE, RIGHT? IF IT WAS JUST TO BE USED FOR PARKING, COULD WE PUT EVEN A SPLASH PARK IN THERE OR NOT? WOULD THERE BE TOO CLOSE TO TO THE ROAD? I DON'T THINK WE COULD DO THAT ON A ONE ACRE. I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO. I DON'T THINK WE COULD DO THAT ON ONE ACRE THERE ON THAT MAIN CORNER. YEAH. OKAY. SO. CHIEF.

YES, SIR. MAYOR. GO AHEAD. WHAT IS YOUR PREFERENCE? ALL THREE OF THOSE SITES, ALL THREE OF THOSE SITES, THE SIZE AND THE LOCATION ARE ACCEPTABLE TO ME. I WANT I WANT THE ONE THAT PROVIDES THE FASTEST CONSTRUCTION AND OCCUPANCY OF A FIRE STATION. YOU SHOULD BE SITTING UP HERE. YES, SIR. MAYBE ONE DAY. THE MEN AND WOMEN THAT WORK FOR OUR DEPARTMENT NEED A NEW FIRE STATION. I. ANY ONE OF THOSE FROM YOU? YES, SIR. NO, I SURE.

WELL, AND AND I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO SPEAK FOR CHIEF LEACH. YOU KNOW, HE WENT TO O'GALLEY.

YOU KNOW THIS AREA AND YOU'VE BEEN IN THE PARK. YOU DO A LOT WITH THE KIDS AND YOU KNOW,

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I MEAN IT'S IT'S SOME AGAIN AND YOUR YOUR FIRE CHIEF FOR A REASON. YOU UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF, OF HAVING A FIRE STATION. I THINK WHAT THE COUNCIL NEEDS TO DO IS DECIDE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE NEXT STEPS ARE. IF YOU WERE TO LOOK, THERE'S BEEN SOME MISINFORMATION ABOUT LOSING THE PARK. YOU'RE NOT LOSING A PARK. HOWEVER, YOU ARE SUBSTANTIALLY TAKING GREEN SPACE AWAY. THERE IS NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT. AND WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, AND IT'S JUST JUST ME. I'M ONLY ONE OF SEVEN VOTES. THERE'S NOT AN OPPORTUNITY THAT YOU GET A CHANCE TO GET GREEN SPACE. IF YOU WERE TO THINK, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT INVESTMENT INTO THE CITY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INVESTMENT INTO PARKS, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT. THREE, WHICH IS THE BOOZER PROPERTY. WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY. THERE'S A LOT OF WHAT IFS ON THAT PROPERTY. IT'S NOT A YOU KNOW, IT HAS NOT BEEN NEGOTIATED ON PRICE. THIS IS NOT THE PLACE TO DO IT. THAT'S SOMETHING FOR STAFF. I WOULD IF, YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE TOO MUCH TIME ON THIS DICE ONLY A COUPLE YEARS, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE US TO GET MORE GREEN SPACE FOR PARKS, EVEN IF EVEN. AND JUST SAY IF IT'S SOMETHING SEPARATE ON THIS FIRE STATION OR IF THE FIRE STATION WENT THERE, WE IF WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE TO GET PROPERTY FOR MORE PARKS OR, YOU KNOW, SOFTBALL FIELDS OR BASEBALL FIELDS OR SOCCER FIELDS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING TO ME. I THINK IT'S A GOOD INVESTMENT. BUT AGAIN, I'M ONLY ONE OF SEVEN VOTES ON THIS, ON THIS DAIS. SO BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO THIS IS A TOUGH DECISION FOR ALL OF US TO MAKE, BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE SOME KIND OF DECISION BECAUSE WE NEED A NEW FIRE STATION, WHILE WE NEED TO PRESERVE AS MUCH PARK SPACE AS POSSIBLE. SO REALLY, IT'S NOT ON THE. JENNY, SORRY. OVER THERE IN THE CORNER OF WICKHAM AND SORRY, WICKHAM AND SANO, THE WHERE THE WHERE THE HOUSE IS NOW, IS IT DEFINITELY GOING TO BE PARKING IN THAT AREA OR NOT? NO. SO WE RIGHT NOW, IF WHEREVER THE BUILDING GOES, THE BUILDING'S GOING TO BE DEMOED AND THERE ARE NO PLANS AT THIS POINT. NO, NO BUDGETED PLANS. THERE'S NO FUNDING ALLOCATED TO TURN THAT INTO ANYTHING AT THIS TIME. SO WE DO HAVE AN OPEN SPACE THERE. THAT WOULD BE AN ACHE. WE WOULD ABOUT AN ACRE OR SO ABOUT AN ACRE THERE, RIGHT ON THAT CORNER. BECAUSE THE PARKING, THE WAY IT IS AT THAT PARK RIGHT NOW, HOW THEY PARK, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO SOMETHING. EVEN IF WE DON'T, EVEN IF WE DON'T PUT THE FIRE STATION THERE, THE PARKING ON SANO, HOW THEY PARK, IT'S AN ILLEGAL PARKING. SO THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO GO AWAY NO MATTER WHAT. CORRECT. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO GO AWAY NO MATTER WHAT IT'S BEEN GRANDFATHERED IN. IT WOULD BE VERY NICE TO REMOVE THAT PARKING THAT'S ON THE STREET. BUT WE HAVE THAT IN VARIOUS PLACES AROUND TOWN WHERE WHERE THAT CONDITION EXISTS. IT'S NOT MY FAVORITE CONDITION, BUT OKAY, BECAUSE I MY UNDERSTANDING THOUGHT WAS THAT THAT WOULD GO AWAY BECAUSE THAT, OH, THAT DEFINITELY WOULD. IF WE BUILD THE FIRE STATION RIGHT THERE, WE WILL REMOVE THAT FROM THERE.

SO THE PARK WOULD MOVE THE GREEN SPACE THAT WE HAVE THERE. NOW, WE WOULD MOVE MORE NORTHWARD A COUPLE FEET WHERE THE PARKING IS. YOU KNOW, HOW THEY PARK BEING SOUTH, NO, NORTH. IT WOULD MOVE NORTH BECAUSE THEY PARK ON SANO GOING FACING SOUTHWARD. RIGHT, RIGHT.

BUT, BUT YOU KNOW THAT THAT STRIP THERE THAT WOULD GO AWAY. CORRECT. IT WOULD GO AWAY. AND SO WE WOULD STILL HAVE THAT GREEN. WE WOULD GAIN THAT GREEN SPACE. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH GREEN SPACE YOU'D HAVE ON SANO. THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF I MEAN, IT'S NOT I MEAN BUT YOU'RE. YES.

THERE WOULD BE GREEN SPACE ADDED IN THE RIGHT OF WAY IF WE WERE TO REMOVE THAT. BUT THAT'S NOT REALLY IT'S PROBABLY NOT RECREATIONAL USE GREEN SPACE. OKAY, HOLD ON REAL QUICK. I'M GOING TO HAVE MR. COLEMAN GO THEN BECAUSE HE'S ALREADY ASKED AND I'LL HAVE YOU GO. AND THEN YOU, SIR. AND THIS IS FOR JENNY. I THINK THIS IS VERY PRODUCTIVE WAY TO GO. LIKE KIND OF FOR YOU TO ANSWER SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS ON IT. SO I THINK THE CHIEF MADE A VERY GOOD POINT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, AND YOU AND I MENTIONED DURING OUR MEETING, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A BIAS FOR ACTION. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD ON THINGS. I DON'T WANT US TO HAVE TO WAIT OR DELAY OR ALL OF THAT. AND THESE GUYS DESERVE THAT AS WELL. BY THE WAY, OUR FIREMEN DESERVE THAT. SO JUST LOOKING AT THEM, IF WE JUST DID A A LOOK AT THE ONE, TWO, THREE, MY,

[02:20:01]

YEAH. SORRY. YES, THAT PROPERTY WOULD TAKE CONSIDERABLY LONGER BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T DONE A PHASE ONE OR A PHASE TWO ASSESSMENT OR GEOTECHNICAL AT THIS POINT. SO BUT THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE DUE DILIGENCE, AS THEY TOLD OUR DEPUTY CITY MANAGER WHEN SHE SPOKE TO THEM, THAT THEY WON'T EVEN ALLOW THAT TO OCCUR UNLESS THERE IS A CONTRACT ON THE PROPERTY AND THAT DUE DILIGENCE TIME FRAME. SO THAT'S EASILY 6 TO 9 MONTHS ADDED ON TOP OF DESIGN THAT WE HAVE TO DO WITH THE OTHER TWO PROPERTIES. SO TAKING THE MONEY OUT OF IT, IF WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET THESE GUYS IN PLACE AT THE TIME, AND THEN I'M JUST, I'M JUST GOING ON TIME ON ALL OF THEM. IT'S NOT I'M NOT TRYING TO ON IT. SO NUMBER ONE, ON THE TIME PHASE OF THAT, HOW, HOW PUSHED BACK VERSUS APPARENT. AND I'M GOING TO ASK YOU HOW FAST WOULD BE NUMBER TWO, WOULD IT BE, IS THERE A BIG DIFFERENCE ON HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE FOR US TO GET STARTED IF WE PICKED EITHER 1 OR 2? I THERE IS A LITTLE BIT LONGER FOR SITE ONE BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE TO. IF THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S SELECTED, WE WOULD HAVE TO FINALIZE NEGOTIATIONS, GET A CONTRACT ON THE PROPERTY, GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS OF PURCHASING, OBTAINING THE EASEMENTS. THAT WOULD BE A CONDITION OF THE. THE APPROVAL BEFORE WE CLOSED IS US BEING ABLE TO GET THE EASEMENTS FROM EITHER CLUB 52 OR WALMART OR BOTH. AND SO THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY THING THAT COULD TAKE A LITTLE LONGER, BUT THE DESIGN WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME. OKAY. AND SO JOAN, DO YOU HAVE YOU HAD SOME OF THAT? I DON'T I DON'T HAVE THAT WRITTEN DOWN. I THINK IT'S SIX AND I BELIEVE IT WAS SIX WEEKS FOR THE REDESIGN RECONFIGURATION, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LOCATING IT ON THE SITE. BUT A LOT OF THAT COULD BE DONE CONCURRENT WITH OUR DUE DILIGENCE WHEN WE'RE UNDER CONTRACT. LET'S SAY WE DO LIKE 90 DAYS DUE DILIGENCE. WE COULD BEGIN THAT DESIGN WITH PEOPLE WHILE WE'RE WAITING ON THAT PROCESS AND THEN GOING TO SITE TWO. THERE OBVIOUSLY SOME CONSIDERATIONS BECAUSE THERE'S STILL PIECES, THERE'S A PARK ON THE PROPERTY AND THERE ARE THINGS ON THE PARK. IS THAT ABOUT THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME AS IT WOULD BE FOR BOOZER, OR IS IT THE LAST SPOT? WHAT WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? WELL, IT DEPENDS ON, YOU KNOW, IF COUNCIL CHOOSES JIMMY MOORE, THEN ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME BUILDING FOOTPRINT OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT A MODIFICATION TO THE FOOTPRINT? IF IT'S A MODIFICATION TO REMOVE THE TOWER OR COMMUNITY ROOM, ANTIQUE BAY, WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE, THAT WILL TAKE SOME TIME. AND I BELIEVE THE ESTIMATE FOR THAT WAS 6 TO 9 WEEKS, ABOUT THE SAME TIME FOR FOR SITE ONE AND SITE TWO. OKAY.

AND, AND THEN WOULD ALSO REQUIRE THE SAME FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT THAT COUNCIL CONSIDERED AND REJECTED LAST JULY. VERY GOOD POINT, ADAM. SO THAT WOULD REQUIRE SOME ADDITIONAL TIME. NOW, THERE WOULDN'T BE A A HUGE AMOUNT OF LEAD UP TIME TO GO TO PLANNING AND ZONING AND TO COUNCIL, BUT THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO PLANNING AND ZONING, COME BACK TO COUNCIL FOR TWO READINGS, AND WE'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT APPROVAL PROCESS TO MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR ON IT. FOR THE MOST PART, ONE AND TWO ARE COMPARABLE, GIVE OR TAKE. YES.

OKAY. AND THEN WHEN IT COMES TO YOU REALLY GOT ME CONCERNED ON 73, NOT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO GET DOWN THE ROAD ON THERE AND I'M WITH IT. BUT HOW WHAT COMPARATIVELY, HOW DO WE DO WE HAVE THAT TIME OR IS IN THIS KIND OF SHAPE? I'VE NOT GOTTEN A BRIEFING ON 73. WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THERE YET. I WE HAVE NOT STARTED THE DESIGN OF THAT. WE WERE HOPING TO USE SIMILAR FOOTPRINT WITH OBVIOUSLY WITHOUT THE COMMUNITY ROOM OR THE, THE ANTIQUE TRUCK BAY. WE ARE TALKING TO, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF THIS I CAN SAY BECAUSE IT'S JUST AT A STAFF LEVEL. WE ARE WE ARE HAVE INVESTIGATED A SITE THAT IS AIRPORT OWNED SITE. WE'VE RECEIVED AN APPRAISAL. THE THE, THE AIRPORT HAS RECEIVED AN APPRAISAL. THEY MAY BE INTERESTED IN A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WE OWN. AND SO THERE COULD BE SOME TYPE OF LAND SWAP, BUT I. THAT IS ALL VERY PRELIMINARY. I REALIZE THAT THIS IS PUBLIC RECORD.

IT'S ALL INCREDIBLY PRELIMINARY FOR ME TO SAY ANYTHING DEFINITIVE, BUT WE HAVE MONEY IN THE BUDGET FOR A LAND PURCHASE THAT IS FUNDED FOR STATION 73 AND IS. WE WE WERE WAITING TO MOVE ON 72 BEFORE WE LAUNCHED INTO DESIGN ON 73. AND SO ONCE WE GET 72 MOVING, WE WILL START MOVING FULL STEAM AHEAD ON 73. GETTING THAT DESIGN SITED PROPERTY PURCHASED AND, AND DESIGNED. WELL, I'M THINKING AGE. SO IS THAT LIKE 50 YEARS OLD? AND THIS IS 60, OH, AGE WISE, I THINK THEY'RE VERY SIMILAR IN AGE. I THINK THEY'RE THE CURRENT BUILDING'S, THE CURRENT BUILDING'S. YEAH. OKAY. BECAUSE I DROVE BY IT. IT'S I JUST WANT TO. ARE YOU

[02:25:02]

BUT BUT BUT IT GOT TO BE WITH THE GRUMMAN BUILDINGS AND THE, THE ENTRANCEWAY. AND WE CAN'T GET OUT OF THERE IN TIME TO SERVE ANYBODY IN THAT COMMUNITY FAST ENOUGH. SO WE RELOCATED THEM TO STATION EIGHT UNTIL WE COULD BUILD STATION THREE. OH, PERFECT. PERFECT. I APPRECIATE THAT KIND OF MAKES SENSE. NO, THAT MAKES SENSE. AND I APOLOGIZE FOR MY CONFUSION ON THAT. SO PERFECT. THAT'S ALL I GOT. REAL QUICK, MR. RUSSO. I JUST THINK TWO THINGS. ARE WE HERE TO DECIDE ON AN ON A PROPERTY OR HERE TO EXCLUDE CERTAIN PROPERTIES? I'M NOT CLEAR ON WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO TONIGHT. THAT'S MY FIRST QUESTION. I WOULD REALLY LIKE.

THE SECOND QUESTION IS SECOND QUESTION IS I KNOW A FEW PEOPLE ON THE AIRPORT BOARD, SOME MAYBE WE MAY HAVE SOME INFLUENCE ON, YOU KNOW, NEGOTIATING THAT WE ARE AT A JOKE THAN ANYTHING. BUT HOWEVER, ARE WE HERE TO, TO DO OR NOT TO DO? TO DO THAT IS THE QUESTION TO DO MY, MY. WELL, COUNCIL CAN DECIDE TO DO WHATEVER THEY CHOOSE TO DO TONIGHT. STAFF'S PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO MAKE A DECISION ON WHICH PIECE OF PROPERTY WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH. OBVIOUSLY, IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD, NOT WITH JIMMY MOORE, IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A PIECE OF PROPERTY WE HAVE TO BUY, WE STILL HAVE TO NEGOTIATE THAT.

AND SO COUNCIL WOULD NEED TO APPROVE THAT CONTRACT. I DID SEND AN EMAIL TODAY THAT WE SENT A LETTER OF INTENT JUST TO START TALKING ABOUT PRICING WITH THE PROPERTY, JUST TO GET A FEEL WITH THEM, BECAUSE WE HAD DONE ALL THAT DUE DILIGENCE SINCE LAST OCTOBER ON THAT PROPERTY OR SINCE EVEN BEFORE OCTOBER, WE, WE, WE COULD JUMP RIGHT INTO NEGOTIATIONS AND HAVE SOMETHING TO YOU, HOPEFULLY IN THE JUNE MEETING OR IN ONE OF THE JULY MEETINGS.

OKAY. SO THEN TO CAPITALIZE ON IT IS THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD RAPIDLY WITH JIMMY MOORE PARK.

IS THAT A CORRECT STATEMENT FASTER THAN ANY OTHER PROPERTY? I REALLY THINK THAT JIMMY MOORE PARK PROPERTY AND THE PROPERTY ARE ABOUT ON THE SAME TIMELINE, BECAUSE WITH JIMMY MOORE, YOU.

WE HAVE P AND Z IN COUNCIL AND WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE WITH THE PROPERTY. WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE CONTRACT AND GETTING THE EASEMENTS. THOSE ARE PROBABLY SIMILAR TIME FRAMES. ALL RIGHT. SO IN REGARDS SIMILAR TIME FRAMES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDITIONAL MONIES THEN FOR. CORRECT. IS THAT CORRECT. CORRECT. SO IS OUR FINANCE GUY BACK THERE STILL TWITCHING AROUND WORRYING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER PROPERTY OR NOT. WELL, I'M JUST BRING IT DOWN TO AND I'LL AND I'LL END IT MAYOR. BUT I SERIOUSLY, I DON'T KNOW WHICH WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THIS. ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO THIS? ARE WE NOT SUPPOSED TO DO THAT? OR ARE WE SUPPOSED TO TELL THEM, OH, WELL, MAYBE AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO MAYBE DECIDE NOT TO DO THAT. MAYBE WE'RE GOING TO DECIDE TO DO IT. AND THEN WE'LL WE'LL BRING IT BACK FOR ANOTHER MEETING. WE'LL HAVE IT ALL OVER AGAIN. WHAT THE HELL? RIGHT. SO EXACTLY. SO SO WHAT? SO I APOLOGIZE, MAYOR, BUT AND I'M DONE BASICALLY IS BUT I'M FINDING THIS REALLY UNSETTLING TO A DEGREE. AND I UNDERSTAND NOT IN MY BACKYARD. I UNDERSTAND THE NEEDS OF OUR CITY. AND I UNDERSTAND I UNDERSTAND THE NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITY. SO WHICHEVER WAY YOU GUYS WANT TO GO WITH THIS, I MEAN, I'M ALL EARS, BUT I STILL DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING, RIGHT? I HAVE NO IDEA, MAYOR. MAYOR, MAYOR, MAYOR. WHAT HAPPENED TO NORTH STAR SPOT? IF YOU IF WE ALL LOOK ON PAGE FOUR, THE HEAT, THE HEAT MAP AND YOU LOOK AT GOING UP WICKHAM ROAD, ALL THE. I WOULD SAY OTHER THAN RIGHT ON 95, THAT ONE SPOT THERE. ONE PARTICULAR SPOT.

MOST OF THEIR CALLS HAVE BEEN EAST OF WICKHAM PARK ON PAGE FOUR. IF YOU LOOK AT IT, THEY REALLY HAVE YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THE LIKELY WHY YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE BOOZER PROPERTY, BUT EVERYTHING IS EAST. YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY 95% OF THEIR CALLS ARE EAST OF THE WICKHAM ROAD. SO WHY ARE WE PUTTING THE FIREHOUSE OUT OF THE AREA WHERE THE SERVICE CALLS ARE? WE'RE NOT. WE'RE JUST WE'RE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF WE GO WITH THE BOOZER PROPERTY. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR MAP, WICKHAM ROAD. WELL, MISS

[02:30:04]

I UNDERSTAND EVERYBODY DOES ONE DO THAT. AND TO USE THAT TO ADD TO THE PARKS AREA. THAT WOULD BE THE PERFECT WORLD. ARE WE AT THE PERFECT WORLD? I DON'T THINK SO. WELL, AND REMEMBER, YOU'RE THE ONE THAT BROUGHT THE BELL. I KNOW, BUT WHICH WHICH IS GREAT. AND I GREATLY APPRECIATE THAT. BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET INTO CONTRACT NEGOTIATION TONIGHT.

BUT TO MY UNDERSTANDING, THE APPRAISAL VALUE AND WHAT THEY WANT FOR IT IS $4 MILLION.

THAT'S THAT THAT'S A THAT'S THAT'S LIKE THE COUNTY PROJECT OVER THERE. REMEMBER THE COUNTY PROJECT YEARS AGO? BUT I MEAN, WOULD THEY BE NEGOTIABLE, YOU KNOW, COMING BACK IN SINCE THEY JUST GOT IT THIS AFTERNOON? AND I LOOK AT THIS OWNING COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, WHAT WHAT STRIKES ME IS CONCERNING ON THAT PROPERTY IS, LOOK, YOU CAN'T DO ANY ENGINEERING. NO, NOTHING UNLESS YOU SIGN A CONTRACT. THE REALITY IS IF THEY WANT TO SELL THAT, THAT SHOULD ALREADY BE READY. THEY SHOULD SAY, LISTEN, WE'RE READY TO SELL THE PROPERTY. WE'VE ALREADY DONE. I THINK THAT THAT WAS JUST IT ALL HAPPENED RIGHT IN MY OFFICE. IT WAS JUST IT WAS A VERY QUICK IT WAS A VERY QUICK THING. AND I SAID THEY CAME IN ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE.

AND I SAID, HEY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SELL IT? THEY GO, YEAH. AND SO IT WAS KIND OF LIKE THEY ARE PLANNING TO PUT IT UP FOR SALE. BUT WITH THIS, IT WAS MORE OF A, HEY, WOULD YOU WANT TO SELL IT? AND THEY WENT, YEAH, WELL, AND IT WASN'T LIKE THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE COMING INTO THE OFFICE TO SAY THEY WANTED TO SELL IT. IT WAS. YEAH. WELL, WE'LL, WE'LL LOOK AT IT NOW.

THE 5 MILLION, LIKE I SAID, CAME BECAUSE I WAS LIKE, OKAY, SOMEBODY FROM SOUTH FLORIDA CAME UP AND YOU KNOW, SAID, OH, WE'RE IN NEGOTIATION. AND I SAID, WELL, DID THEY DO THE CONTRACT? YOU KNOW, HOW FAR, YOU KNOW, NOTHING GOT IN THERE? SO I THINK THEY JUST PUT IT OUT THERE THINKING, OKAY, YOU KNOW, BUT I WOULD, YOU KNOW, MAYOR, YOU KNOW, BUT THAT'S MY BUT THAT'S MY BIG THING IS, YOU KNOW, IF WE COULD, YOU KNOW, THE MAYOR, THIS MY, MY COMMENT WOULD BE THAT YOU MADE A GOOD POINT ABOUT GREEN SPACE. AND I THINK THAT WHATEVER OUR DECISION IS, I THINK WE ALSO NEED TO HAVE OUR EYES SET ON LOOKING AT GREEN SPACE. SO IF IF THE JIMMY MOORE SITE, I STILL THINK THAT WE SHOULD TRY TO FIGURE OUT OTHER WAYS TO ENHANCE THE SPACE THAT'S THERE. IF WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT REDESIGNING THE BUILDING SPACE AS IT IS OR THE FOOTPRINT, I THINK WE ALSO SHOULD TRY TO FIGURE OUT WAYS TO LOOK AT JIMMY MOORE PARK IN GENERAL, EVEN AS WE TALK ABOUT THAT. THAT OTHER SITE THERE. I'VE BEEN SAYING THAT SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL. I MEAN, SO WE'RE SAYING IT NOW. WE'RE SAYING IT NOW AGAIN. AND THEN AND THEN I ALSO THINK THAT WITH THE THE BELL PROPERTY, WHETHER IT'S A CONSIDERATION FOR THIS IMMEDIATE DECISION OR NOT, THAT'S AVAILABLE, I THINK THAT THAT COULD BE SOMETHING BACK TO THE COUNTY LAND THAT'S RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT I THINK THAT LOOKING AT THAT PROPERTY AND SEEING WHAT ELSE WE COULD POTENTIALLY DO FOR IT, IF WE ARE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE, IF IT'S NOT A PART OF THIS DECISION, I THINK THAT HAVING AN OUTLOOK OR LOOKING AT GREEN SPACE AND FIELDS AND OTHER QUALITY OF LIFE INITIATIVES, I THINK WE SHOULD DEFINITELY CONSIDER THAT.

WELL, AND ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP, YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT SITE ONE AND I'M GOING TO KIND OF GIVE SOME DIRECTION FOR THE COUNCIL TO KIND OF LOOK AT THIS WITH ME. SITE ONE IS THE BOOZER PROPERTY. NOW, ONE OF THE ISSUES, THEIR LISTING PRICE $1.08 MILLION, $1 MILLION, YOU WOULD NOT HAVE THAT AT THE JIMMY MOORE PARK, OF COURSE. HOWEVER, I DON'T SEE WHY WE CAN'T SELL THE CORNER OF THAT. SANO AND WICKHAM WERE. THE FIRE STATION IS NOW WHEN THE NEW FIRE STATION PUT IN. YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING. NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE WE HAVE A PLAN AND MAYBE PUTTING PARKING. BUT THERE'S NO MONEY SET ASIDE AT THIS TIME. THERE'S NOTHING. I THINK THAT CORNER IS VERY VALUABLE. I THINK THAT YOU COULD TURN AROUND AND SELL THAT CORNER. WHY? WHY WOULD WE NEED IT WHEN WE TEAR DOWN THE OLD FIRE STATION, SELL IT, AND THEN TURN AROUND AND USE THAT MONEY TO INVEST IN MAYBE LIKE ONE NUMBER ONE, I MEAN, THAT WOULD THAT WOULD PROBABLY WE WOULD PROBABLY GET $1 MILLION FOR THAT CORNER AND TURN AROUND AND, AND GO TO JENNY AND HOLD ON. AND THAT WOULD HELP US PAY FOR

[02:35:02]

BUT THAT'S JUST A THOUGHT, MAYOR. VICE MAYOR. SO I'VE BEEN SITTING HERE, AS I DO ALWAYS AND JUST LISTENING TO EVERYTHING YOU DO THAT VERY WELL. I DO, I DO, AND YOU ALL HAVE SOME VERY GOOD POINTS. JUST MY THOUGHTS IS THAT FOR ME? JUST FOR ME, I'M ONLY ONE VOTE.

THE JIMMY MOORE SITE IS OUT OF THE QUESTION FOR ME. I WANT TO KEEP THAT GREEN SPACE. THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. THE BELL SITE, I'M VERY LEERY AND VERY CONCERNED WITH THAT BECAUSE OF ALL OF THIS UNKNOWNS IN HERE AND THE PRICE POINT, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY COME DOWN THAT FAR. SO I'M LOOKING TOWARDS THAT BOOZER SITE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S WEST OF WICKHAM ROAD. I THINK, JENNY, WHEN WE HAD A CONVERSATION EARLIER, YOU HAD SAID WE WERE GOING TO DO SOMETHING, SOME MITIGATION WITH THE TRAFFIC LIGHT THERE. YES. AND JOAN BROUGHT THAT UP EARLIER TOO, WITH THE PREEMPTION THAT WE'RE THAT WE ARE GETTING READY TO IMPLEMENT AND THAT THE COUNTY IS GETTING READY TO IMPLEMENT. WE. THAT SHOULD HELP US REDUCE OVERALL TIMES BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS. NOW, THE DISTANCE THAT WE DRIVE WILL STILL ADD THAT 23 SECONDS. BUT IF WE CAN SHAVE SECONDS OFF AT OTHER TRAFFIC SIGNALS, IT MAY BE A WASH, RIGHT? AND THEN WITH THE, I AGREE WITH THE POSSIBLY SELLING THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY UP IN THAT, WHERE THE CURRENT STATION IS NOW, JUST TO RECOUP SOME OF THAT MONEY. IS THAT POSSIBLE? WHY COULDN'T WE? RIGHT. I MEAN, I MEAN, I MEAN, WHY NOT DOWN LIKE WHAT WOULD WE HAVE TO DO? I HEAR YOU WELL WELL YOU GOT TO LOOK AT THREE. WELL I HAVE TO BE SEGMENTED. WELL IT'S WHAT AN ACRE. THAT CORNER IS LIKE AN ACRE I WILL TELL YOU. LOOK AT HAVING COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.

I'VE SEEN SOME SUNOCO'S AND SUCH. LOOK FOR CORNER LOTS. AND THEY WANT AN APRON ON BOTH SIDES. MORE THAN AN ACRE. THEY WANT AN ACRE, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST AN ACRE. BUT WHEN WE PUT IT. BUT WOULD YOU WANT TO PUT IT YOUR, YOU KNOW, LIKE A, LET'S SAY A CUMBERLAND FARMS OR WHATEVER. AND THEN YOU HAVE THE BALLPARK RIGHT THERE NEXT TO IT, I MEAN. I THINK ADAM HAS SOMETHING THAT NO, NO, JUST THAT LITTLE, THAT SMALL CORNER. THEY WOULDN'T THEY WOULDN'T WHEN IT'S MORE THAN AN ACRE BECAUSE I'VE HAD CLIENTS THAT HAVE THREE. THREE MAYOR WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WELL, ACTUALLY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW THE CORNER OF WHERE THE FIRE STATION IS NOW. IT WAS JUST KIND OF A DISCUSSION ON, ON ON BREAKING. GO AHEAD. AND YOU HAD SOMETHING 1 IN 3. YEAH. I MEAN, SO DO WE GO DO WE GO THROUGH THE SAME CHALLENGES IF WE GO FOR THREE LOOKING AT PATTY LANE, WHO BACK THERE IS GOING TO WANT TO BUY A HOUSE IN THEIR BACKYARD AS WELL TOO? WELL, REMEMBER A LOT OF THAT. I MEAN, I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE BROAD BRUSH, BUT A LOT OF THAT THAT'S WETLAND TOO. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO BUILD ON THAT ANYWAY. JUST LOOKING AT BROAD BRUSH. NO. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. NUMBER THREE, ALL THAT CAN MITIGATE WETLANDS. YOU COULD, BUT WOULD YOU NEED TO REMEMBER THAT THAT'S WHAT FIVE ACRES OR SOMETHING? WELL, WE WE PURCHASED 30 ACRES OUT WEST FOR MITIGATION YEARS AGO. AND I AGREE, I AGREE. SO ARE WE DOWN TO NUMBER ONE. AND NUMBER TWO.

PRETTY MUCH NO. WELL WELL IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. QUICK QUESTION. GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY. WHAT WOULD IT TAKE FOR US. BECAUSE YOU SAID WE HAVE ALL THESE THINGS IN PLACE WHERE IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO SELL. WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO BE ABLE TO SELL? IS THAT ON THE TABLE? RIGHT. RIGHT NOW? RIGHT NOW, I'D HAVE TO DO MORE DUE DILIGENCE TO EVEN TELL YOU WHETHER OR NOT IT'S CAPABLE OF BEING SOLD, RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT THE OLD PLATTING AND ANY EXISTING DEED RESTRICTIONS ON THAT SITE BEING USED FOR PUBLIC PURPOSE OR FOR PUBLIC RECREATION. IT'S CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE IS RECREATION. IT'S IT'S CURRENT ZONING IS INSTITUTIONAL. AND THEN GIVEN ITS UNDERLYING, YOU KNOW, SIZE AND PROXIMITY TO THE INTERSECTION, THERE COULD BE DEVELOPMENT CONSTRAINTS, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR ACCESS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. SO ZONING ALL THE TIME FOR THINGS. SO TECHNICALLY, I PLEASE TEMPER YOUR EXPECTATIONS OR, OR HAVE THIS IDEA THAT THERE'S MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, YOU KNOW, READY? I JUST, I, THAT WOULD IF THAT, FOR THAT IDEA BEING BROUGHT UP THIS EVENING, I THINK THAT'S GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE DUE DILIGENCE TO, TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND REPORT ON THAT UNDERLYING FEASIBILITY. SO I, I WOULD NOT PUT THAT MONEY IN THE BANK TONIGHT. OH, WELL, AND I'M GOING TO SAY, MR. CONNELLY, YOU KNOW, AND I AGREE WITH YOU, WE'RE NOT PUTTING MONEY IN THE BANK, BUT IT'S AN IDEA. AND THE WHOLE IDEA IS TRYING TO WORK THE BUG. REMEMBER, THIS IS A TOUGH DECISION BY COUNCIL AND

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SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE CHOOSING EITHER THREE OR NUMBER TWO OR NUMBER THREE. I'VE GOT TO.

BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE SERVICES ARE. THAT'S WHERE THE. THAT'S THAT'S WHY DON'T, WHY DON'T WE GO? I MEAN, IF YOU GOT SOMETHING THAT'S BETTER, WHY DON'T WE GO DOWN AND AND KIND OF EVERYBODY I MEAN, THAT'S WHERE I LIVE. THIS IS MY LIVE. THIS IS WHERE I LIVE. AND FOR THE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT SAY, I DON'T CARE, I PROBABLY JUST AS CLOSE AS YOU ARE. ALL RIGHT.

DON'T TAKE STUFF PERSONAL. BELIEVE ME, IT IS YOU, DON'T I I'M. MA'AM, YOU KNOW, I HAVE AN OFFICE THERE, MISS HANLEY. THIS IS THIS IS ALL RIGHT. I MEAN, AS TO MIMI'S POINT, I UNDERSTAND. BUT WEREN'T THEY PUTTING THE THING IN THE LIGHT SIGNALS ANYWAY? SO THEN THAT PROBLEM WOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM? STILL, NO, IT'S NOT JUST THE SIGNAL, IT'S THE TIMING. NO, I GET THAT, BUT. BUT WHY WOULD YOU PUT IT WHERE? OKAY. IF YOU'RE IF LOOKING AT THE I THINK WE'RE READY. YOU'RE PUTTING IT ON THIS SIDE AND THIS IS WHERE YOUR YOUR PEOPLE ARE. MISS BASSETT ONE VOTE AS WELL. SO I'M JUST EXPLAINING. WHY DON'T WE GO DOWN THE LINE AND EVERYBODY GIVE THEIR NUMBER ONE WHERE THEY WHERE THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS GO? I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, REMEMBER THE MAJORITY RULES. I THINK LET'S DO THIS. WE'LL START OUT WITH YOU, MR. NEWMAN. SURE. SO YOU'RE ASKING ON THE ORDERS AND ESSENTIALLY AND LET ME CLARIFY, CAN WE CLARIFY ONE AND TWO AND THREE BACK UP ON THE SCREEN. YEAH. PUT ONE TWO AND THREE. SO WE KNOW ONE IS ONE IS THE BOOZER. TWO IS THE THE CURRENT JIMMY MOORE AND THREE IS THE BELL. SO GO AHEAD MR. NEWMAN TO TO MAKE IT MAKE SENSE. I BELIEVE THAT FROM WHAT I'M HEARING FROM COUNCIL, THE BEST WAY TO GET SOMETHING DONE TODAY WOULD BE BY CHOOSING NUMBER ONE. THAT'S WHY I'M CHOOSING NUMBER ONE AS MY TOP CHOICE. AND THEN NUMBER TWO.

AND THEN NUMBER THREE BASED ON ECONOMICS. OKAY. GO AHEAD, MISS BASSETT. I WOULD CHOOSE THE BOOZER PROPERTY. SO THAT WOULD BE NUMBER ONE. YEAH. AND THEN YOUR SECOND. I DON'T, I DON'T I DON'T EVEN WANT TO PUT THE JIMMY MOORE PARK ON THE PLATE BECAUSE THEY HAVE THEIR VERY STRONG FEELINGS. GO THREE THEN THREE AND TWO, RIGHT. YEAH. OKAY. ONE THREE AND TWO. I'M JUST NOT TRYING TO. YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO. OKAY, MISS MISS HANLEY. NUMBER TWO. SO NUMBER

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PLEASE EXCUSE ME. THAT WE FOUGHT HARD TO KEEP SOMETHING OUT OF MY BACKYARD. AND IT WAS INTENSE. AND IT WAS IT WAS HARD. AND I APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS ON THAT. SO I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE SITTING RIGHT NOW. AND SO I SAY ONE, THEN THREE, THEN TWO. OKAY. AND THEN VICE MAYOR, MA'AM, I'M GOING TO STAND BY MY BUZZER. NUMBER ONE, I HAVE FAITH IN OUR CHIEF WHEN HE SAYS THAT HE CAN MAKE IT WORK AND THAT IT'S AN ACCEPTABLE SITE, I'M NOT GOING TO PICK A NUMBER TWO BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE EITHER ONE OF THEM. SO I GOT SITE ONE. SORRY, EVERYBODY HAS TO DO IT.

EXCEPT YOU. YEAH. WELL, SO IN OTHER WORDS, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR THREE OR NUMBER ONE. NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER ONE. YES. OKAY. I'M GOING TO GO, YOU KNOW WHAT? I'M GOING TO GO. WELL, COUNCIL, WE'VE ALREADY GOT DIRECTION HERE. BUT NUMBER ONE, I STILL THINK I WOULD LIKE TO WHENEVER THE CHANT NO RUSH FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY KIND OF LOOK AT THAT CORNER. MAYBE GET BACK TO COUNCIL DOWN THE ROAD. DON'T HAVE TO DO IT NOW. BUT JUST A THOUGHT. I WOULD GO WITH NUMBER ONE AND THEN PROBABLY I'M GOING TO STICK WITH YOU. VICE MAYOR 1101. SO I THINK WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS GIVE OUR STAFF DIRECTION TO, TO GO WITH NUMBER ONE, CAN WE HIT THE GROUND RUNNING BECAUSE AND TRY TO GET THIS THING MOVING, GET THE CHIEF WHAT HE NEEDS. I DO KNOW THE FIREFIGHTERS NEED TO GET OUT OF THAT CORNER, BUT WHATEVER THE CHIEF NEEDS ON THAT, I HAVE FULL CONFIDENCE IN OUR CHIEF. SO I THINK WE GIVE DIRECTION FOR ONE AND MOVE FORWARD. IS THAT OKAY? IS THAT OKAY? COUNCIL. ALL RIGHT. SO DO WE NEED A VOTE OR IS THAT GOOD? DON'T ASK ME AGAIN. I THINK I THINK THERE'S A THERE'S A CONSENSUS ON DIRECTION, AS JENNY AND JOAN ALREADY SAID, WE'VE WE'VE ALREADY BEEN IN INITIAL NEGOTIATIONS WITH PROPERTY OWNER REPRESENTATIVES. SO WE'LL CONTINUE THAT. AND HOPEFULLY THOSE ARE SUCCESSFUL.

AND WE'LL HAVE SOMETHING BACK FOR YOU TO TO REVIEW. YOU KNOW, AND I WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT TO EVERYBODY THAT CAME OUT TONIGHT. YOU KNOW, THIS IS PART OF THE, I WOULD SAY, LEGISLATIVE PROCESS. I THINK MISS PALMER WOULD WOULD AGREE AND UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, I FEEL THIS COUNCIL AND THAT'S EVERYBODY'S BEEN VERY OPEN MINDED. I THINK OUR STAFF HAS YOU KNOW, YOU GET LETTERS FOR A REASON. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DO SOMETHING BEHIND THE SCENES OR SHADY. THIS PROCESS IS WORKING OUT. AND I THINK I THINK WHEN WE GET A BRAND NEW FIRE STATION, I HOPE EVERYBODY COMES OUT AND SUPPORTS OUR FIREFIGHTERS AND AND CHIEF HAVE A HELL OF A HAVE A HELL OF A PARTY FOR EVERYBODY. HOW'S THAT? I CAN DO THAT. OKAY. WELL THANK YOU EVERYONE. QUICK QUESTION. YEAH. YES, MA'AM. CAN WE MAKE ANYMORE PARK? CAN WE MAKE THAT? WHAT IS THE GLORY THAT IT USED TO BE LIKE? PUT SOME REAL EFFORT INTO THAT BUDGET SEASON IS COMING UP.

YEAH. WE GOTTA WE GOTTA LIKE, BRING THAT BACK. I THINK THERE'S A QUESTION THAT NEEDS TO BE ASKED. CAN WE GO? WE WENT DOWN THE LINE ONE, TWO AND THREE, WHICHEVER ONE. SO WE ALL KNOW WHICH ONE WE WANT. AND WE'RE TELLING STAFF TO GO IN. I MEAN WE VERBALIZE IT. WE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATION IN BETWEEN. I WANT ONE I DON'T WANT I'LL GO TWO NUMBERS. SECOND, I'LL DO NUMBER THREE AS THE SECOND. CAN WE JUST GO DOWN THE AISLE AND GO, WHICH ONE IS YOUR FIRST CHOICE? WE DID. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. OKAY. AND WE GOT WE GOT ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX NUMBER ONES. I MEAN, I, I IF, IF WE WERE TO CALL SUPERMAJORITY VOTE, THAT WOULD PASS. SO I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK WE GO, I THINK WE, I THINK OUR STAFF IS CLEAR ON WHAT WE WANT. AND I STILL THINK I KNOW WE HAVE THAT OTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY ON SARNO. IT'S NOT MUCH NEAR THE LANDFILL THAT AT 300 GRAND. I'D HONESTLY LIKE TO SELL THAT IN ANY PENNY WE GET OUT OF THAT, PUT IT IN THE PARK. I MEAN, IT'S JUST SITTING THERE. BUT THAT'S JUST JUST, YOU KNOW, I DON'T I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO JUST SIT ON PROPERTY LIKE THAT. THAT IN MY OPINION, YOU KNOW, WE WE LOOKED AT IT FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, ALL THAT WORKED OUT WITH PROVIDENCE PLACE. EVERYTHING WORKED OUT LIKE WE WOULD HOPE IT. BUT FOR US TO SIT ON THAT PROPERTY, LET'S SELL IT AND GIVE IT AND PUT IT IN THE PARK. I MEAN, THAT'S JUST THAT'S JUST MY ONE VOTE. AND THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. BUT WE'RE GOOD, RIGHT? OKAY, COOL. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE

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[18. Discussion of volunteer advisory board member terms. (Requested by Vice Mayor Julie Kennedy)]

THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION. MAYOR, SIR. SO THE AS WE DISCUSSED AT THAT DURING THAT DISCUSSION ITEM. SO THE WE'RE ALREADY EXPLORING AN ORDINANCE TO COMBINE THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND CITIZENS ADVISORY BOARD. AND SO IF THE DIRECTION IS THAT THAT FIVE YEAR TERM IS TOO LONG, WE CAN LOOK AT PROVIDING AN ORDINANCE WHERE THAT TERM WOULD BE THREE YEARS. SO THAT WOULD TAKE CARE OF THAT. THE FIREFIGHTERS PENSION PLAN. I DON'T HAVE IT RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT WITHIN THE LAST FIVE YEARS OR SO INCREASED, THE BOARD ASKED COUNCIL TO ADOPT AN ORDINANCE TO INCREASE THAT TERM DUE TO THE, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFICULT NATURE OF THAT BOARD AND THE EDUCATIONAL EXPERIENCE NEEDED TO SORT OF UNDERSTAND THAT PROCESS, AND ESPECIALLY FOR THE THE ACTIVE MEMBERS OF THE PLAN, THEY GO THROUGH TRAINING AND THAT SORT OF ASPECT. AND THE THE CONSENSUS FROM THAT BOARD WAS TWO YEARS TO TURN OVER PEOPLE. WE BY THAT TIME, THEY'RE JUST LEARNING HOW TO MANAGE THIS PENSION PLAN. AND THEN AND THEN THEY LEAVE. SO THE RECOMMENDATION, THEY WERE TWO YEARS AND THEN THEY WERE INCREASED TO FOUR. NOW THE POLICE PENSION BOARD HASN'T COME THROUGH TO DO THAT. BUT THE FIRE PENSION BOARD DID. SO YOU'RE SAYING THE HOUSING AUTHORITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS GOING TO TAKE CARE OF ITSELF? IF IF COUNCIL CONSIDERS THE MERGER OF THE CITIZENS ADVISORY BOARD AND THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT'S IN DEVELOPMENT NOW, STAFF IS WORKING OUT THE CODE LANGUAGE. BUT IF THAT WAS COUNCIL'S DESIRE TO, IN COMBINING THOSE TERMS, KEEP IT AT A THREE YEAR TERM. THAT'S CERTAINLY WHAT THE ORDINANCE COULD BE DRAFTED WITH. OKAY, SO I'M CONFUSED ON THE. MR. NEWMAN. MR. NEWMAN IF THAT'S ALRIGHT.

JUST A QUESTION ON THAT PENSION BOARD DISCUSSION HERE BECAUSE I'M A LITTLE. IS THERE IS THERE LIMITS OR ANYTHING THAT I DON'T RECALL IN ANY GIVEN TIME? US REALLY EVEN REMOVING SOMEBODY WHO WANTED TO BE REAPPOINTED. IS THERE SOMETHING I'M NOT CATCHING ABOUT THAT BOARD WHERE THEY'RE BEING WHERE SOMEONE, EVEN IF IT'S TWO YEAR TERMS OR THREE YEAR TERMS THAT THEY'RE FALLING OFF OR THAT BOARD IS NOT HAVING AN ATTENDANCE SITUATION. WELL, BOTH OF THOSE PENSION BOARDS ARE UNIQUE IN THAT TWO TWO MEMBERS ARE ACTIVE MEMBERS OF THE PLAN. AND SO WE'RE JUST DEALING WITH WHERE PEOPLE ARE IN THEIR CAREERS AT SOME POINT WHERE THEY STAY THERE FOR QUITE A LONG TIME WITH THE RESIDENT MEMBERS, IT'S JUST LIKE ANY OTHER BOARD. THEY THEY MOVE OUT OF THE CITY, THEY DECIDE TO PURSUE OTHER VENTURES. AND THEN THE BOARD ACTUALLY PICKS ITS FIFTH MEMBER. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU'VE SEEN A LOT OF TURNOVER FROM THAT. THE MEMBERS OF THE PLAN. MATTER OF FACT, SOME OF THE BOARDS HAVE STARTED TRYING TO TRAIN UP ACTIVE MEMBERS WHO ARE NEWER, EXCUSE ME, FIREFIGHTERS OR POLICE OFFICERS THAT ARE NEWER.

SO THAT AS THOSE AS THOSE CURRENT ACTIVE MEMBERS STEP OFF OF THE BOARD, THAT THEY'RE CONSIDERING APPOINTING PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY FAMILIAR WITH WHAT THE BOARD IS DOING. AND SO I, YOU KNOW, UNLIKE SOME OF THE OTHER BOARDS THAT TURNOVER MORE FREQUENTLY, I MEAN, AGAIN, THE RESIDENT MEMBERS ARE JUST LIKE ANY OTHER BOARD. THEY THEY LEAVE, THEY PURSUE OTHER

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WELL, I WASN'T LOOKING AT MOVING THE POLICE OFFICERS TO THREE, JUST KEEPING IT WHERE I WAS LOOKING AT IT, KEEPING ALL THE PENSIONS ALL AT FOUR, KEEP KEEP ALL THE PENSIONS. THE FIREFIGHTERS AT FOUR FOUR YEAR TERM. SO YOU HAVE THE POLICE OFFICERS AND THE GENERAL. IF YOU'RE GOING TO KEEP CONSISTENCY, YOU WOULD MOVE THEM TO THE FOUR YEAR TERM FOUR YEAR TERMS. THAT'S THE WAY I WOULD LOOK AT IT. BUT IF THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR IT, THEN JUST LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS. I MEAN, IF THEY WANT TO COME BACK, WE CAN COME BACK AT THE CONSENSUS OF THE BOARD THEMSELVES. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. IT'S IT'S WHY DON'T WE ASK THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY DOING THE JOB? THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, IS THAT THAT'S WHAT ALL THAT'S ALL I'M SORRY. I'M OVER HERE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE ROOM, YOU KNOW, SO BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IF THERE MIGHT BE DIFFERENT REASONS WHY THEY WANT TO KEEP IT AT TWO, LET THEM GIVE US SOME INPUT ON THIS BECAUSE WE'VE GIVEN THEM ALL OF OUR INPUT. BUT I DON'T RECALL HEARING ANY OF THEIR INPUT. NO, THAT'S JUST MY POINT. BUT I MEAN, IF YOU'RE GOING TO CHANGE IT, THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION IS PUT THE PENSIONS ALL JUST SO THAT WE KNEW OR WE CAN JUST LEAVE THINGS THE WAY THEY ARE. WELL, VICE MAYOR, YOU YOU BROUGHT THIS WAS YOUR ITEM. I WAS JUST AT THE TIME TRYING TO COME UP WITH A COMPROMISE. RIGHT. SO IT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT I LIKED, BUT IT'S YOUR ITEM CAME UP. WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO ON THIS? BUT I LIKE THE IDEA OF GOING TO THE BOARDS AND FINDING OUT WHAT THEIR OPINION IS. SO, KEVIN, CAN WE MAKE THAT HAPPEN? SURE. SO WE CAN WE CAN JUST SEND A COMMUNICATION TO EACH OF THE BOARDS AND TRY TO PLACE IT ON ONE OF THEIR UPCOMING AGENDAS, AND TALK ABOUT COUNCIL'S DISCUSSION ABOUT BOARD. WE'VE KIND OF ALREADY DONE THAT WITH ATTENDANCE AND TRYING TO GET THE MESSAGE TO THEM THAT YOU ALL ARE LOOKING AT THAT DURING REAPPOINTMENTS, AND SO WE CAN SEND A COMMUNICATION TO ALL OF THESE THAT SAY WE'RE CONSIDERING LOOKING AT THE TERMS, MAKING THEM SIMILAR, AND JUST GET A GENERAL FEEDBACK FROM EACH OF THE BOARDS, RIGHT? BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THE FIREFIGHTERS PENSION BOARD IN WANTING A LONGER TERM TO LEARN.

THE WHOLE PENSION BOARD DUTIES, BUT WE DON'T KNOW THAT INFORMATION ABOUT WHY AFFORDABLE HOUSING WANTS FIVE YEARS OR IS FIVE YEARS IF THERE'S A REASON FOR THAT OR NOT. YEAH, YEAH, I THINK THERE'S A LEARNING CURVE IN THAT ONE AS WELL, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE FACTORS THAT THEY CONSIDER. BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY, AS I SAID, WE CAN CERTAINLY, WHEN WE DRAFT THE ORDINANCE, TO CONSIDER CONSOLIDATING THOSE TWO BOARDS FOR EFFICIENCY'S SAKE, THAT WOULD BE A GREAT TIME TO DETERMINE IF WHAT THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN AS 3 OR 5 YEARS, WHATEVER COUNCIL DESIRES. I WILL NOTE FOR JUST THE RECORD GENERAL EMPLOYEES PENSION THAT THAT PLAN IS CLOSED. IT'S ESSENTIALLY THERE'S NO ACTIVE MEMBERS. I THINK THERE MIGHT BE TWO ACTIVE MEMBERS. AND SO THAT'S REALLY NOT SOMETHING THAT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED, BECAUSE BOARD IS ESSENTIALLY NOT NECESSARILY AN ACTIVE BOARD ANYMORE. I SHOULD SAY. IT'S PROBABLY A BETTER WAY TO SAY THAT. BUT IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION YOU WANT TO TAKE, I'LL JUST TAKE THAT THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER TO GO THROUGH THE BOARDS AND AND THEN BRING THAT BACK TO COUNCIL. I ASSUME ONCE ALL THE BOARDS HAVE RESPONDED TO US OR IN A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME, IF WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN A RESPONSE FROM SOME OF THEM, WE CAN JUST REPORT THAT BACK. OKAY.

THANK YOU. OKAY, SO WE GOT DIRECTION ON THAT. WE'RE GOOD IF I'M GOOD. ALL RIGHT. SO I

[D. PETITIONS, REMONSTRANCES, AND COMMUNICATIONS]

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AND SO WE'RE WAITING BASICALLY ON MORE FOLKS TO HOP INTO THIS THING, BUT IT'S BASICALLY CLOGGING UP THE ABILITY FOR BUSINESSES TO DO THEIR WORK AND TO ACTUALLY PUT UP A SIGN TO SAY, HEY, WE'RE OPEN, WE'RE A BAKERY. WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING HERE. I'VE HEARD OTHER STUFF ON HERE, BUT I AM NOT A DOWNTOWN BUSINESS OWNER TO EVEN KNOW GOOD, BAD OR OTHERWISE ON THE OPERATIONS OF IT. BUT I JUST WANT TO ONE THING I, I WANT TO SEE IF I COULD JUST. I WAS BASICALLY GOING TO ASK KEVIN AND JENNY IF THEY COULD JUST GIVE ME MORE INFORMATION ON THE ACTUAL BOARD ITSELF, HOW IT OPERATES, JUST BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO BE LIKE WE'RE WAITING ON THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER TO GIVE US RECOMMENDATIONS FOR APPLICANTS ON THIS. SO I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT'S GOING ON THAT WE'RE AND THAT THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN ON POSSIBLY JUNE 9TH. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT ANOTHER DELAY AROUND THERE. SO JUST JUST WANT TO GET AS MUCH INFORMATION AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THIS IS CAUSING AN ISSUE. OKAY. AND THEN NUMBER TWO, THERE WAS A, I'VE HEARD FROM A COUPLE FOLKS THAT DO EVENTS OVER AT THE MELBOURNE AUDITORIUM. THERE'S A CONTRACT FOR VENDOR SERVICES THAT IT SEEMS, AND I DID NOT READ THROUGH THE ENTIRE CONTRACT IN AND OF ITSELF, BUT THAT IT'S ALMOST AN EXCLUSIVE CONTRACT WITH A FOOD OR BEVERAGE VENDOR WITH IT. AND THERE WERE SOME RESIDENTS AND FOLKS WHO WERE DOING EVENTS THAT WERE HAVING ISSUES THAT THEY WERE BASICALLY LOCKED IN WITH THIS ONE VENDOR, THEY'RE SAYING THEY DIDN'T GET A PRICE OF INFORMATION OF HOW MUCH IT COST FOR XYZ FOOD ITEM.

THEY'RE JUST SAYING, WELL, WHAT'S YOUR BUDGET? AND WE'LL JUST MAKE THAT WORK INSTEAD OF IT BEING MORE TRANSPARENT. AND THAT'S A, THAT'S THE ALLEGED SITUATION. I WAS JUST SAYING, IF WE COULD HAVE STAFF TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT THAT AGREEMENT IS AND HOW I'D LIKE TO BE A LITTLE MORE TRANSPARENT. IF YOU'RE GOING THROUGH A CITY. I'M JUST THAT'S JUST HOW IT IS. I CAN ANSWER PART OF THAT FOR YOU. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SO AND NOT EXCLUSIVE. RIGHT. AND AND SO BUT BUT NOT EXCLUSIVE. BUT HOWEVER, THE FOOD AND BEVERAGE CHANGES SO QUICKLY IN THIS INDUSTRY TO HAVE A PERSON WHO GIVE ME YOUR BUDGET, THEN THEY CAN THEN THEY CAN MASTER WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR, AROUND WHAT THE BUDGET, AROUND WHAT IS ACTUALLY COSTING. NOW, THERE'S ALSO AN INDIVIDUAL WHO OWNS THE LIQUOR LICENSE THAT COVERS THE ENTIRE CITY, RIGHT? SO YOU WANT TO HAVE A HAVE AN EVENT AT THE AT AUDITORIUM, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE AND YOU WANT TO PROVIDE LIQUOR. WELL, WE HAVE TO HAVE A VENDOR WHO HAS THAT LIQUOR LICENSE THAT'S AFFORDABLE, THAT'S ALLOWED TO DO IT IN EVERY OTHER LOCATION AS WELL TOO. SO THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS ON THAT. I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA, BUT JUST BE AWARE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THAT INDUSTRY ON A DAILY BASIS. AND I KNOW, AND I'M THINKING FOR THERE WERE FOLKS THAT BROUGHT UP THE EXAMPLE OF THERE'S PLENTY OF OTHER COMMUNITIES, LET'S SAY HISPANIC FESTIVAL OR THIS OR THAT. IF YOU WANTED SOME AUTHENTIC HISPANIC SOMETHING OR OTHER TO SERVE IT, YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO SERVE THAT WITHOUT BUYING THE LIQUOR LICENSE TO SERVE YOUR OWN FOOD OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE IS REALLY A BIZARRE. YOU WANT TO SERVE LIQUOR? WELL, NO, JUST KNOW TO HAVE FOOD THERE. THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE CONTRACT. IT'S A GREAT THOUGHT AND IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO, TO, TO VISIT IT. BUT I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU THE LIQUOR LICENSE. OH, SURE. TOTALLY. OH, YEAH. AND I'M NOT A BAR RESTAURANT OWNER. WE GOT WE'VE GOT THIS ONE PERSON UNDER CONTRACT. AND SO TO GET ANOTHER PERSON ON THE CONTRACT TO BRING THEIR LIQUOR LICENSE IN. SURE. WELL, SURE. HOW MUCH LIQUOR LICENSE IS WORTH TODAY? ABOUT A HALF $1 MILLION. OH, SURE. NO, I GET IT. I'M JUST, LIKE I SAID, I'M JUST HEARING STUFF FROM RESIDENTS. AND, JENNY, DO YOU NEED SOMETHING MORE THAN THAT FROM THE COUNCIL, OR IS THIS JUST SOMETHING I CAN BRING UP TO YOU AS A THING TO LOOK INTO? AS LONG AS THERE'S CONSENSUS, I'LL BRING IT BACK AT A MEETING. YEAH. WE'RE OKAY. I THINK IT'S FINE. OKAY. WE'RE GOOD. COOL.

YEAH. THAT'S ALL I GOT. I WASN'T ARGUING. OH, NO. YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE AN EXPERT IN THE INDUSTRY AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE EXPERT TO BE EXPERT AT BEING COMBATIVE. SO IT'S ALL GOOD FROM MY FRIEND, MISS BASSETT. DON'T ME OFF. I'LL GIVE YOU A SECOND. SORRY ABOUT THAT. I HOPE EVERYBODY ENJOYED THEIR MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND, AND THEY REALLY TOOK THE MOMENT TO HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE FOR ALL THE FALLEN SERVICE MEMBERS. I WENT TO YESTERDAY. I WENT TO THE LIBERTY BELL MUSEUM. THEY HAD A THING FOR MEMORIAL DAY THAT WAS REALLY NICE AS WELL ATTENDED.

THEY HAD ME BRING THE LIBERTY BELL, HIT IT WITH A THING TO RING IT. AND THEY'RE LIKE, THEY'RE LIKE, PUT ALL YOUR EFFORT INTO IT. SO I DID, AND IT MADE A LITTLE DING NOISE. SO I NEED TO WORK ON STRENGTH. BUT THAT WAS REALLY COOL TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. BUT THEY LISTED OFF EVERY SINGLE BREVARD COUNTY RESIDENT THAT'S BEEN KILLED IN ACTION. AND IT WAS A LOT. SO IT WAS REALLY SAD TO LISTEN TO THAT. AND WE HAD A NICE PRAYER AND MOMENT OF SILENCE FOR THEM.

BUT IT WAS IT WAS A REALLY GOOD EVENT TO GO TO. MISS KENNEDY WAS UP THERE WITH ME. OKAY. GOT

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THEY'RE DOWNSTAIRS IS NOW ALL SET UP FOR CONFERENCES. AND YOU STAY ONE BLOCK AWAY SO YOU CAN WALK TO AND FROM. IT IS ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL. IT IS. AND AND THE LEADERSHIP WAS ABOUT HOW HOW WE SHOULD BE AS LEADERS. YOU CAN'T LEGISLATE LEADERSHIP. YOU JUST HAVE TO LEARN TO DEAL WITH IT. MAYBE TONIGHT I GOT A LITTLE UPSET WITH SOMEBODY COME SAYING THINGS TO ME AND I'M LIKE, OH, I'M FROM NEW YORK AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SAY THOSE THINGS.

BUT IT WAS VERY NICE THE WAY THEY HANDLED IT. IT WAS A TWO DAYS EVENT. BUT NO, IT WAS ONE DAY. SORRY, IT'S ONE DAY. BUT THE LEADERSHIP WAS THERE. HOW TO HANDLE THINGS DIFFERENTLY, HOW WE NEED TO TALK. ALL OF US ARE A LITTLE BIT OLDER. HOW WE NEED TO TALK TO THE YOUNGER.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE I WILL BE THE ONE TALK FACE TO FACE. SOME PEOPLE. YOU HAVE TO TEXT THEM BEFORE THEY YOU CAN CALL THEM. I FIND THAT A LITTLE DIFFICULT, BUT WE'LL WORK WITH THAT.

ANOTHER THING IS THE MRC IN OCTOBER. I'D LIKE TO GO TO THAT. IF IT'S ALL RIGHT WITH COUNCIL FOR ME TO GO TO MARINE RESOURCE COUNCIL, IF I CAN GO. IF IT'S OKAY WITH COUNCIL, ALLOW ME TO GO TO THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO ADD. MY OTHER BIG THING IS FPL. WE. BOYNTON BEACH, I BELIEVE IT'S BOYNTON, NOT BOYNTON BEACH. OH GOD, I CAN'T THINK I'M. ONE OF MY CLIENTS LIVES THERE. THEY PUT ALL THEIR UNDERGROUND UTILITY, ALL THEIR UTILITIES ARE ALL IN. IT'S AN OLDER CITY.

IT'S IN BROWARD COUNTY NOW. I'M GOING ABSOLUTE ABSOLUTELY BLANK ON THAT ONE. BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF OLDER LIKE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, WE'VE GOT OLDER TREES AND ALL THAT SO THAT WHEN THE WIND HITS AND EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE IT TRIMMED, AND IF WE GET SOME REALLY GOOD WINDS, IT'S GOING TO TAKE OUT THOSE OUT THOSE LINES. I THINK IT WAS YEAR OR TWO AGO. AND ONE OF MY NEIGHBORHOODS IN MY DISTRICT, THE POWER WAS OUT FOR EIGHT DAYS. AND, YOU KNOW, YOU SAY, WELL, THEY'RE UP, UP ON THE LINE. THEY'RE OLDER HOMES AND ALL THAT. THEY REALLY SHOULD WHERE COASTAL CITY, WE REALLY SHOULD HAVE THEM BE PUTTING THIS UNDERGROUND. IT'S ONE THING TO BE INLAND A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT WE'RE GOING TO BE THE ONES GETTING THE CITY. SO TO FORTIFY OUR CITY, WE REALLY NEED TO BE LOOKING AT FPL. HEY, THEY GET A LOT OF MY MONEY. I KNOW YOU LOOK AT ME AND THE MONEY, I MEAN MONEY, LIKE WHAT IS THE I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE WHAT IT IS. BUT YOU KNOW, HEY, IT'S A GOOD IDEA. BUT OTHER CITIES, PALM BAY HAS

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AND NOW WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF OTHER PRIORITIES THAT HAVE COME UP NOW OVER THE YEARS. BUT BUT I THINK THAT BUT I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK BACK AT, YOU KNOW, AT THE CONVERSATION. YEAH, BUT I MEAN, BUT WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT THOSE THINGS BECAUSE BECAUSE MY OFFICE, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M STILL ON THE SAME GRID AS THE HOSPITAL. IT MAKES IT REALLY NICE WHEN THE POWER GOES OUT BECAUSE I'M FIRST, I'M ONE OF THE FIRST PEOPLE BACK ON IN MY OFFICE. AND BUT THOSE ARE, YOU KNOW, BUT THERE'S OTHER PEOPLE. MY HOUSE IS OFF ONE HOUSE AWAY FROM A MAJOR POWER GRID. RIGHT? SO I'LL BE OUT OF POWER FOR DAYS. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING WE'RE WE ARE IT IS STARTING HURRICANE. GOD KNOWS WE'VE ALL GONE TO THE MEETINGS ALREADY SAYING, BE PREPARED, BE PREPARED, BE PREPARED. BUT THIS IS A LONG NOT A SHORT TERM. THIS IS A LONG TERM. PUTTING DIFFERENT SECTIONS OF THE CITY UNDERGROUND. THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE. IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN TONIGHT. IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT YEAR. BUT LET'S HAVE THE LET'S PUSH IT. SO. OKAY, MA'AM? YES. MR. SMITH.

YES. HOPEFULLY EVERYONE HAD A GREAT MEMORIAL DAY. THANK YOU. MAYOR, WITH THE AMERICAN LEGION POST 91. ON SATURDAY MORNING, WE WENT OVER TO STONY BROOK CEMETERY. WE PUT A NEW ALL SERVICE FLAGS OUT BECAUSE ALL THE SERVICES. AND THEN WE ALSO PLANTED FLAGS AT THE CEMETERY SITES FOR EACH OF THE VETERANS. THAT WAS ON SATURDAY. AND THEN ON MONDAY WE DID. WE HAD A BRIEF CEREMONY FOR ONE OF OUR VETERAN WHO HAD PASSED AND DID THAT FOR THE FAMILY. AND THEN, MARY, YOU CAME OVER TO THE LUNCHEON THAT WE HAD, AND THE WORDS WERE VERY, VERY WONDERFUL WORDS. SO THANK YOU FOR SHARING YOUR PERSONAL STORY. GOOD EVENT. THANK YOU FOR HAVING GREAT EVENT. SO, SO WITH THAT, I MEAN, THAT WAS IT, MEMORIAL DAY AND MOVE ON. SIR. QUICK. I DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LIST. I JUST WANT TO THANK STAFF AND OUR LEGISLATIVE LOBBYISTS FOR THE 150,000 FOR THE PINEAPPLE PIER RESTORATION PROJECT, 300 000 FOR THE FIRE ALERT ALERTING SYSTEM, AND THE 400 000 FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF TRAINING TRAINING CENTER. NOW, THAT WILL ONLY COME ABOUT ONCE THEY FINALIZE THE BUDGET. BUT, MR. CROWLEY, MR. CRISAFULLI FEELS THAT WE ARE PRETTY SOLID ON ON THOSE THREE ISSUES. AND SO TO STAY WITH THE SAME THEME AS I'VE ASKED MISS KENNEDY TO DO, IS THAT THE GOOD OVER THE WEEKEND WAS THAT WE HAD A MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND, AND THERE WERE A LOT OF REALLY AWESOME THINGS GOING ON BEACHSIDE AND ON THE BEACH.

AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW HOW THAT GOES. THE BAD, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, GOOD, UGLY AND BAD.

THE BAD WAS, OF COURSE THERE ARE SOME ROWDY CUSTOMERS, BUT OUR POLICE, OUR OFFICERS, I COULD SEE THEM RIGHT FROM MY WINDOW THAT THEY TOOK CARE OF THE CROWDS AND EVERYTHING THAT NEEDED TO BE DONE IN A REALLY EXPEDITIOUS AND PROFESSIONAL WAY. AND THE THIRD THING, THE UGLY THING, IS THAT PEOPLE DON'T READ THE DARN SIGNS WHEN THEY PARK IN A PARKING LOT, BECAUSE THERE HAD BEEN 30 TO 40 CARS TOWED AT 600 BUCKS A PIECE TO GET IT OUT OF IMPOUND. SO READ THE SIGN BEFORE YOU GO PARK. MAKE SURE YOU SEE IT. AND THAT'S ALL I GOT. OKAY, VICE MAYOR. OKAY, I JUST. I WENT TO LIBERTY BELL MUSEUM. CERTAINLY. SORRY. WHICH WAS QUITE NICE.

AND I DID TWO RING THE BELL AND I WILL TRAIN YOU ON HOW TO RING THAT BELL. LIKE, YEAH, I GOT THE NEW YORK THING GOING TOO, AND I CAN HIT IT PRETTY HARD. BUT THAT WAS A GREAT CEREMONY.

THE OTHER THING IS THAT I I'VE HEARD HORROR STORIES ABOUT A LOT HIGHER PRESCRIPTION COSTS, MORE THAN JUST GOING FROM CENTS TO $10. SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO LOOK INTO THE GOOD, BAD AND THE UGLY. THE GOOD IS EVERY TIME I TRAVEL DOWN LAKE WASHINGTON, I SEE NOTHING BUT GOLFERS OUT THERE. AND THAT WAS NOT THE CASE QUITE A FEW YEARS AGO WHEN I CAME ON

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I MIGHT, YOU MIGHT IF YOU KNOW ANYBODY THAT IN THE COMMAND STAFF, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, LET THEM KNOW. I DO KNOW SOMEBODY. LOOK AT THAT. LOOK I'M GETTING. THAT WOULD BE A GREAT FAMILY LITTLE DINNER, WOULDN'T IT? BUT THE OTHER THING I WANT TO. AND I HATE TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, MISS LAMB, BUT I KNOW WE'VE HAD QUITE A FEW CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE COMPING CLASS. CAN YOU JUST GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF A UPDATE ON WHERE WE ARE FOR THE CLASSIFICATION AND COMPENSATION STUDY? DEPUTY CITY MANAGER AND I MET. WAS THAT LAST WEEK OR THE WEEK BEFORE? I THINK WE HAVE ALL BUT TWO AREAS WORKED OUT AS FAR AS CLASSIFICATION, SOME OF THAT. AND I KNOW SHE HAD A MEETING WITH ONE OF THOSE DIVISIONS ON FRIDAY TO DISCUSS THEIR PROGRESSION PLAN. WHAT WE HAVE FOUND AT THAT, AND I DON'T SAY AT THE VERY END, BUT WHAT WHAT CAME OUT OF IT IS WE WHEN WE WERE HAVING TROUBLE HIRING, THERE ARE A COUPLE DIVISIONS THAT STARTED OFFERING INCENTIVES. BUT WHEN WE DID THE CLASSIFICATION AND COMPENSATION, THE STUDY THAT THE CONSULTANT DID, IT DIDN'T ACCOUNT FOR ANY OF THOSE INCENTIVES THAT WERE ALREADY GIVEN. SO IF THEY LOOKED AT A SALARY, THE SALARY MAYBE WAS PUTTING THEM IN. BUT IF WE STILL OFFERED THE INCENTIVES, THAT WOULD THEN THROW EVERYTHING OFF AGAIN. SO THAT IS THE, I THINK THE VERY LAST PIECE WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT IN THIS AREA. I SAY THE LAST PIECE, THERE MIGHT BE 2 OR 3 LITTLE SMALL ITEMS, AND THEN WE'LL MOVE INTO THE COMPENSATION PORTION OF THAT TO GO ADJUST AND LOOK AT THE COMPENSATION. AND SO I THINK WE HAVE A MEETING SET UP WITH THE CONSULTANT. THIS THIS NEXT THURSDAY TO DISCUSS AND TO ON THE NEXT STEPS FOR THE COMPENSATION PORTION OF IT. IS THE TIMELINE STILL IN REFRESH? MY MEMORY WAS LIKE JULY, RIGHT? WE WOULD LOVE TO GET IT DONE BY THEN. YES. OKAY. I JUST FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW, FORGOT WHATEVER THAT COMP IN CLASS IS TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR WORKERS ARE BEING PAID THE WAGE, THAT THEY SHOULD BE GETTING PAID AND COMPETITIVELY AND ANALYZING WHERE THEY'RE GETTING PAID NOW AND SURROUNDING PLACES AND WHAT THEIR JOB DESCRIPTION. HOW DOES THAT COMPENSATION. SO I JUST WANT TO GET THEM PAID. RIGHT? RIGHT. THAT IT THAT IT, MA'AM.

YEAH. THE ONLY THING I HAVE REAL QUICK TONIGHT I JUST WANT TO I NOTICED WITH THE, THE FIRE STATION, I NOTICED WE HAD A FORMER ELECTED OFFICIAL EMAIL AND A LOT OF QUESTIONS, WHICH WAS GREAT. I KNOW, I JUST WANT TO CALL OUT OUR CITY CLERK. AND I THOUGHT ALL THE RESPONSES WERE VERY DETAILED, VERY PROFESSIONAL, YOU KNOW? EXACTLY. I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, I JUST I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THAT I SEE THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE VERY PROFESSIONAL AND ANSWERING THOSE QUESTIONS REALLY ANSWERED IT IN MY OPINION, MORE THAN YOU NEEDED TO. BUT IT WAS VERY WELL THOUGHT OUT. AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR OFFICE FOR FOR DOING THAT. I'M GOING TO INTERRUPT BECAUSE I SENT THE RESPONSES, BUT THE INFORMATION WAS PROVIDED BY THE DEPUTY CITY MANAGER AND FIRE CHIEF. SO I DON'T WANT TO TAKE ANY CREDIT.

WELL, THEN, BUT STILL IT WAS DONE. THAT IS A TEAM EFFORT. AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT WAS A LOT OF GREAT QUESTIONS. AND, YOU KNOW, THEY BROUGHT UP I THINK IT WAS A RESPONSE TO ABOUT ONE ABOUT THE OLD POLICE DEPARTMENT. WHAT ABOUT USING THAT BUILDING? BUT IT WAS OUTSIDE THERE. IT FED ME A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT I WAS UNAWARE OF. AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS REALLY GOOD OF THE STAFF TO, TO DO THAT AND REALLY HELP WITH THIS CONVERSATION AND PICKING. BUT I JUST WANTED TO CALL THAT OUT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU ALWAYS HEAR WHEN SOMETHING DOESN'T GO RIGHT OR SOMEBODY COMPLAINS BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT YOU WERE RUDE BECAUSE THEY TOLD YOU NO. BUT I THINK YOU AND YOUR, THE WHOLE STAFF GREAT JOB ON THAT. I CANNOT BE MORE PROUDER. AND THANK YOU GUYS FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING HERE AT THIS CITY. SO I'M

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