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I WANT TO CALL THIS, UH, MEETING TO ORDER OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE'S CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD.
AT THIS TIME, EVERYONE, PLEASE STAND, FACE THE FLAG FOR THE RECITING OF OUR PLEDGE INTERVIEW.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD WAS ESTABLISHED BY THE CITY OF MELBOURNE UNDER THE AUTHORITY GRANTED BY THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE.
THE PURPOSE OF THIS BOARD IS TO PROMOTE, PROTECT, AND IMPROVE THE HEALTH, SAFETY, AND THE WELFARE OF THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE BY PROVIDING AN EQUITABLE, EXPEDITIOUS, EFFECTIVE, AND INEXPENSIVE METHOD OF ENFORCING THE VARIOUS CODES THAT ARE ENFORCED WITHIN THE CITY.
THIS IS A QUASI-JUDICIAL PROCEEDING ALLOWING FOR LESS RESTRICTIVE PROCEDURES OF TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE.
HOWEVER, THESE PROCEEDINGS SHALL BE RELEVANT, SHALL REQUIRE RELEVANT PRESENTATION AND APPROPRIATE INDIVIDUAL CONDUCT THAT WILL BE DETERMINED AND MANAGED BY THE BOARD.
ALL TESTIMONY GIVEN BEFORE THE BOARD IS PRESENTED UNDER OATH.
THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD IS ALSO EMPOWERED BY THE, BY THE FLORIDA STATE STATUTE TO LEVY FINES FOR VIOLATIONS UP TO $250 PER DAY, OR $500 PER, PER DAY FOR REPEAT VIOLATIONS.
RESPONDENTS AND OR THEIR REPRESENTATIVES ARE REQUIRED, ARE REQUESTED TO PRESENT AND MAY, MAY BE PRESENT, AND MAY ALSO BE REPRESENTED BY AN ATTORNEY.
IF THE RESPONDENTS AND OR THE REPRESENTATIVES ARE NOT PRESENT, THE CASE STILL MAY BE PRESENTED TO THE BOARD.
THE PROCEEDING THAT BRINGS YOU BEFORE THE BOARD IS INITIATED BY A CITY CODE OFFICER WHO PRIOR TO BRINGING THE MATTER TO THE BOARD'S ATTENTION ALLOWS SOME PERIOD OF TIME FOR THE PARTICULAR VIOLATION TO BE CORRECTED.
IF THE VIOLATION IS NOT CORRECTED WITHIN THE TIME, IT IS A REPEAT OR REFERABLE VIOLATION, A NOTICE OF VIOLATION, A NOTICE OF HEARING IS FILED WITH A BOARD AND A HEARING DATE IS SET.
IF THE VIOLATION IS CORRECTED, IT STILL REQUIRES THAT THE RESPONDENT NOTIFY THE CODE OFFICER ASSIGNED CONDUCTING THE HEARINGS.
THE ATTENDANCE SHEET WILL BE FOLLOWED FIRST AND THEN THE PUBLISHED AGENDA UNLESS OTHERWISE DECIDED BY THE BOARD.
EACH CASE WILL BE PRESENTED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY, THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, BRINGING THE COMPLAINT, AND, AND WILL PRESENT TESTIMONY REGARDING THE CASE.
THE RESPONDENT MAY ADDRESS THE BOARD, ASK QUESTIONS OF THE CODE OFFICER AND PRESENT WITNESSES ON THEIR BEHALF.
AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE CASE, THE BOARD WILL RENDER A FINDING OF FACT AND ISSUE ORDERS AS NECESSARY.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS MEETING, YOU MAY CONTACT THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICE AT 3 2 1 6 0 8 7 9 0 5.
AT THIS TIME, WE REQUEST THAT ALL CELL PHONES, PAGERS, AND OTHER ELECTRONIC BIO DEVICES BE SET TO SILENT OR VIBRATE POSITION, AND ANY CALLS OR LAPTOP USE BE DONE OUTSIDE OF THESE CHAMBERS.
AT THIS TIME, WE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THE ROLL CALL.
WHEN YOU HEAR YOUR NAME, JUST GO AHEAD AND SIGNIFY BY SAYING, EITHER PRESENT OR HERE.
MR. TI HERE FOR THE TAKING OF THE ROLE.
WE HAVE NOW ESTABLISHED THAT WE DO HAVE A VOTING QUORUM FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING.
AT THIS TIME, THE CHAIR WOULD, UH, WOULD RECOGNIZE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, ENTER IN THE, UH, MEETINGS.
MINUTES FROM OUR LAST MEETING.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MEETINGS AS WRITTEN.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION BEFORE THE BOARD FOR, UH, ADOPTING OF THE MEETINGS OF THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING.
HOW DOES THE BOARD VOTE? ALL IN FAVOR.
MOTION DOES PASS AT THIS TIME.
MR. HARRELL, DO YOU HAVE AN OPENING STATEMENT OR ANY REMARKS OR CITY STAFF AT THIS TIME? UH, JUST ONE.
THAT NEXT BOARD MEETING IS JULY 8TH, 2016 I 2026.
I WAS GONNA SAY, MR. CITY ATTORNEY AT THIS TIME, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SWEAR IN YOUR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS PLEASE IN ANY, UH, SUPPORTING STAFF THAT MAY BE HERE THAT'S GONNA TESTIFY TONIGHT? YES.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU WILL GIVE IN THESE PROCEEDINGS WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO.
I PROFFERED TO THE BOARD ALL OF THE CODE COMPLIANCE INSPECTORS
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AS EXPERT WITNESSES AND SUBMIT THE RESUMES OF THE CODE COMPLIANCE INSPECTORS AND CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL INTO THE RECORD.ABSENT ANY OBJECTIONS, THE CODE COMPLIANCE INSPECTORS AND CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS SHALL BE DEEMED EXPERT WITNESSES.
I ALSO SUBMIT INTO THE RECORD ALL DOCUMENTS AND PHOTOGRAPHS WITHIN THE CASE FILES OF THE CODE COMPLIANCE INSPECTORS, AS WELL AS ALL DEEDS AND PROPERTY APPRAISER WEBSITE LISTINGS REFERENCED IN THESE PROCEEDINGS.
THESE EXHIBITS ARE OFFERED TO THIS BOARD AND RESPONDENTS FOR REVIEW AND ARE AVAILABLE AS EVIDENCE IN THE HEARINGS OF THESE CASES.
THERE ARE, UH, FOUR CASES THAT WERE COMPLIED PRIOR TO HEARING, AND TWO THAT WE WOULD ADMINISTRATIVELY POSTPONE.
I WILL PROCEED TO NAME THOSE WITH THE CHAIR'S PERMISSION.
THE COMPLIED CASES ARE, UH, ITEM NUMBER 10.
THAT IS CASE NUMBER 2026 DASH 0 0 1 1 8 COMPLIED.
ITEM NUMBER 23, CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 0 0 3 9 6.
ITEM NUMBER 28, CASE NUMBER 20 25 0 0 3 0 8.
ITEM NUMBER 40, CASE NUMBER 2025 DASH 0 1 8 9.
THE TWO THAT ARE ADMINISTRATIVELY POSTPONED ARE ITEM NUMBER 35, CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 0 0 2 A FOUR, AND ITEM NUMBER 37, CASE NUMBER 2025 DASH 0 0 1 0 6, NUMBER 27, AND ALSO NUMBER 27, WHICH IS CASE NUMBER 2025 DASH 0 0 1 7 7.
WE DO HAVE, UM, SOME INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE SIGNED IN EARLY AND, UH, WITH THE CHAIR'S PERMISSION, I'LL CALL THOSE OUT OF ORDER.
SIR, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY ONE THING.
IF YOU'RE HERE THIS EVENING AND YOU'RE GONNA SPEAK TO THE BOARD, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM, SPEAK DIRECTLY TO THE MICROPHONE SO THAT THE BOARD CAN HEAR YOU.
THIS BODY CAN HEAR YOU, AND IT'S ALSO GONNA BE ON THE RECORD.
SO COME TO THE PODIUM, SPEAK CLEARLY INTO THE MICROPHONE.
THE NEXT OR THE FIRST ITEM IS ITEM NUMBER 15, CASE NUMBER 2026 DASH ZERO.
ITEM NUMBER 15, CASE NUMBER 2026 DASH 0 0 1 1 2.
PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1964 WASHINGTON AVE.
SOMEBODY WROTE DOWN SEAN HAYES.
I, I JUST WANT TO BRING TO, UH, THE ATTORNEY'S ATTENTION THAT THE, UH, YOU SAID IT'S CASE 15 AND THE MONITOR SHOWS IT AS, UM, 0 0 8 8 2 IN HER, HER HANDOUT HERE, UH, SHOWS IT AS 0 0 1 1 2 1 2.
UM, SORRY, BUT JUST AN FYI MICHELLE, WHAT IS THAT? ONE? 1, 2 1 1 2 1 1 2.
I ALSO DIDN'T, I DIDN'T GET THAT SHEET.
OH, YOU DIDN'T GET THE UH, NO, THE AGENDA.
DO YOU HAVE ANY AGENDAS? YES, WE HAVE AN, IT'S IN THE BOOK.
WE HAVE AN EXTRA, SORRY, I DIDN'T NOTICE IT WAS LAST TIME.
WE HAVE ONE WHILE WE'RE HERE TO PAUSE.
WE HAVE ONE MORE PERSON THAT CAME IN, IN THE PURPLE UH, SWEATER THERE.
UM, SIR, CHAIRMAN, I DON'T UNDERSTAND MINE.
I'VE JUST CHANGED IT TO 1 1 1 1.
HE JUST, HE JUST CORRECTED IT ON THE SCREEN.
AND IT'S ALSO CORRECT IN OUR HANDOUT TOO.
I'M SIR, CAN YOU RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND? DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES, SIR.
WHAT IS YOUR NAME? SEAN HAYES.
AND HOW ARE YOU ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROPERTY? I
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OWN IT.WHAT CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT, UM, THIS NEW, UH, VIOLATION? YES, THIS PROPERTY HAD AN UNSECURED POOL, WHICH HAS BEEN CORRECTED, BUT ALSO HAS, IS MIKE WORKING? OKAY.
UM, AND IT ALSO HAS A FENCE AND DISREPAIR WITH THE FENCE AREAS LEANING.
IT WAS ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, AND ALSO A PICKET SEPARATING FROM THE FENCE.
SO PARTS OF THE FENCE ARE LEANING AND THERE'S A SEPARATED PICKET.
UM, AND IN THE NEXT SLIDE, UM, AFTER THE UNSECURED POOL, THERE WE GO.
THERE WAS THE, UM, FENCE AND DISREPAIR, AND THEN BOATS, TWO BOATS AND TWO TRAILERS FORWARD TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE LINE.
SO NOT ONLY DOES IT HAVE TO BE BEHIND THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE LINE, IT HAS TO BE BEHIND THE FENCE ON THE POLK STREET SIDE, ON THE SIDE STREET.
UM, AND THEN THEY HAVE A BLACK TRUCK WITH AN EXPIRED TAG.
AND, UH, THAT REGISTRATION AS OF THIS AFTERNOON IS STILL EXPIRED, EXPIRED IN 2024.
AND THEY HAVE, UH, COMPLIED WITH, UH, REMOVING THE NUISANCE OPEN EXTERIOR STORAGE.
SO WHAT ARE THE REMAINING VIOLATIONS? UM, B, C, AND D.
UM, SO WE SENT THE NOTICE OF VIOLATION.
WE POSTED THE NOTICE OF VIOLATION.
WE SENT THE NOTICE OF HEARING 4 3 26 AND WE POSTED THE NOTICE OF HEARING 5, 5 26.
AND ON 5 21 26, WHAT IS THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE CITY? UM, THE CITY RECOMMENDS FINDING THE PROPERTY IN VIOLATION AND SETTING A COMPLIANCE DATE OF JULY 7TH, 2026 OR A FINE OF UP TO $250 A DAY FOR EVERY DAY STILL IN VIOLATION, WHICH IS MOTION ONE.
MR. HAYES, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR I I GOT PLENTY OF QUESTIONS.
FIRST OF ALL, JUST ON THE NEXT STREET OVER, I CAN SHOW YOU PICTURES OF NINE HOMES WITH ONE HOME THAT HAS THREE BOATS, TWO TRAILERS, AND A DERELICT CAR SITTING OUT FRONT, I MEAN, ON THE FRONT YARD.
SIR, WE HAVE TO GO WITH YOUR CASE.
NOT NEXT DOOR, BUT IT'S, IT'S CRAZY THAT YOU WOULD COME OVER TO MY HOUSE THE SECOND TIME THIS HAPPENED TO ME.
GARY THERONE DID IT TO ME FOR A YEAR.
THE GUY WOULD NOT LEAVE ME ALONE.
HE WAS FINDING EVERYTHING WRONG WITH MY PROPERTY.
BUT YET YOU GO DOWN MY STREET AND THERE'S SO MANY CARS.
WHY DO WE HAVE TO DO THEIR JOB AND POLICE THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN THEY HAVE, THEY'RE GETTING PAID TO DO THIS, TO GIVE PEOPLE LIKE ME WARNINGS, WHATEVER.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
I DON'T HAVE, HONESTLY, I HAVE NO PROBLEM AT ALL WITH YOU GUYS DOING THIS, BUT YOU SHOULD AT LEAST BE FAIR ABOUT IT AND DO IT TO EVERYBODY.
ESPECIALLY ON ONE STREET ALONE.
NOT THE LADY, THIS LADY ON AT 1857 HARRISON AVENUE.
CYNTHIA PRICE WAS THE ONE THAT CALLED MY CALLED FOR, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE ME REPORTED THE FRONT OF HER HOUSE.
THERE'S A DERELICT TRUCK SITTING OUT THERE AND THERE'S TRASH, SIR, TRASH PILED UP IN THE FRONT OF HER HOUSE.
WE NEED, WE NEED TO STAY ON TASK.
SO, BUT THE TASK IS, IS THEY'RE NOT DOING THEIR JOB.
THEY'RE COMING OVER TO MY HOUSE AND, AND GIVING ME REPORTS.
CASE TO YOUR CASE TO THE SPECIFICS OF YOUR CASE.
I'M JUST TELLING YOU THAT'S NOT FAIR THAT THEY COME TO MY HOUSE REPEATEDLY AND GIMME A TICKET FOR THIS.
SO WHERE ARE WE IN THE PROCESS OF CORRECT.
I CAN'T MOVE THE BOAT 'CAUSE THE AXLE'S BROKE.
BUT THE POINT IS, THE TRUCK, THERE'S, I CAN'T MOVE THE TRUCK RIGHT NOW.
BUT THE THE POINT, THE, IT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS WHOLE THING, MAN.
IT'S RIDICULOUS THAT YOU WOULD PICK ONE HOUSE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN THERE'S, I CAN'T EVEN TELL YOU HOW MANY HOMES HAVE BOATS, TRAILERS, DERELICT CARS.
SHE DRIVES RIGHT BY 'EM AND DOESN'T EVEN STOP AND DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
I'VE BEEN LIVING IN THIS CITY FOR 64 YEARS, MAN, THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S BEEN THE SAME FOR 64 YEARS, BUT YET THEY'LL DRIVE BY THOSE HOUSES AND NOT SAY A DAMN THING.
BUT YET, WE'LL UP COME RIGHT TO MY HOUSE AND I HAVE NOT A BAD HOME.
IT'S ACTUALLY A PRETTY DECENT LOOKING HOME.
THE TRUCK'S A NICE TRUCK AND IT'S RIDICULOUS.
SIR, SIR, THIS IS THE, THE CODE ENFORCEMENT IS BASED
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OFF A COMPLAINT.SO SOMEBODY COMPLAINED ABOUT YOUR PROPERTY AND YOU KNOW THAT BECAUSE YOU HELD UP THE SHEET IN THE NAME OF THE PERSON TO COMPLAINT THOSE OTHER PEOPLE, THEY DIDN'T HAVE COMPLAINTS AGAINST THEM.
WHEN THERE IS A COMPLAINT, THEN WE GO AND INVESTIGATE.
SO WE'RE HERE TODAY TO DEAL WITH YOUR ISSUE.
I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WANT TO GET THIS OFF YOUR CHEST.
WE'RE HERE TO DEAL WITH YOUR ISSUE.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO DEAL WITH YOUR ISSUE? AND IF YOU WANNA MAKE A COMPLAINT ABOUT THE OTHER PEOPLE, YOU CAN GO, WHY DO WE HAVE TO DO THAT? WHY IS IT OUR JOB? 'CAUSE OF THE STATUTE TO DO THEIR JOB? 'CAUSE OF THE STATUTE.
THE LAW SAYS THAT'S HOW IT IS.
IF YOU, SO WE'RE HERE TO DEAL WITH YOUR CASE TODAY.
PLEASE KEEP ON TASK WITH YOUR ISSUE.
MY ISSUE IS GETTING TAKEN CARE OF.
THE PROBLEM IS, IS THEY'RE NOT DOING THEIR JOB.
THEY'RE TARGETING CERTAIN PEOPLE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
SIR, I NEED YOU TO FOCUS ON WHAT YOUR CASE IS ABOUT TODAY.
SO WHAT DO DO YOU WANT ME TO DO? YOU, YOU SAID THAT YOU HAD SOME QUESTIONS TO ASK ABOUT YOUR CASE, SO PLEASE STAY ON TASK AND DO THAT NOW I'M COMPLAINING BECAUSE IT'S RIDICULOUS.
THE SECOND TIME I'VE BEEN TARGETED FOR A BOAT SITTING OUT IN MY FRONT YARD AND THERE'S HOUSES THAT HAVE TONS OF CRAP TRASH AND EVERYTHING IN THEIR YARDS AND NOTHING'S DONE ABOUT IT.
AND THEY'VE BEEN LIKE THAT FOR YEARS.
HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE YOU TO FIX THE TRUCK AND GET IT SO THAT IT'S GONNA GET MOVED IN THE NEXT WEEK? HOW LONG, HOW LONG NEXT WEEK THE TRUCK'S GETTING MOVED.
WHEN? NEXT WEEK IN THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO.
AND THE BOAT'S GONNA GO TOO, BUT THE PROBLEM IS, IS EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S GONNA KEEP THEIR S**T IN THEIR FRONT YARD.
CONTACT MY OFFICER JUST TOMORROW AND I'LL EXPLAIN TO YOU WHY WE DON'T GO DOWN NEIGHBORHOODS LOOKING FOR STUFF.
MARK, I AM IN CHARGE OF CODE ENFORCEMENT.
WELL, YOU GUYS AREN'T DOING YOUR JOB, MAN.
I APPRECIATE YOUR PERSPECTIVE.
YEAH, YOU'RE NOT, BUT CALL MY, CALL MY OFFICE AND I'LL EXPLAIN WHY WE DON'T, YOU'RE NOT DOING YOUR JOB, OKAY? YOU GUYS AREN'T DOING YOUR JOB BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM, SIR.
THAT'S, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH YOU GUYS CITING ME, BUT YOU SHOULD DO IT TO EVERYBODY THAT'S OUT OF COMPLIANCE.
AND NINE HOUSES ON ONE STREET IN MELBOURNE, JUST ON ONE STREET.
WE HEARD YOU AND IT'S RIDICULOUS, MAN.
YOU'RE COSTING ME SO MUCH MONEY THAT I CAN'T AFFORD AND YOU GUYS ARE PICKING ON ME BECAUSE SOMEONE CALLED ON ME.
BUT YET, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS LADY, LITERALLY RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
LET ME FINISH, LET ME FINISH A LA RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
SIR, SIR, YOU DO NOT RUN THIS MEETING.
YOU DO NOT RUN THIS MEETING WHEN THE CHAIR, FIVE BOAT, FIVE TRAILERS AND STUFF SITTING OUT FRONT, WE HAVE GIVEN YOU, WE HAVE GIVEN YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMPLAIN.
WE HAVE HEARD YOUR COMPLAINTS.
WE WE HAVE A, THERE'S A ROOM FULL OF PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST LIKE YOU WHO WANT TO BE HEARD TONIGHT.
SO WE NEED TO LISTEN TO THEM AS WELL.
SO AT THIS POINT IN TIME, IF YOU HAVE NOTHING ELSE, YOU'RE, IT'S JUST GONNA GET TAKEN CARE OF IN THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO.
SO JUST TRY AND DO YOUR JOB AND BE FAIR TO OTHER PEOPLE TOO.
NOT JUST ME, BUT GO TO ONE STREET OVER AND SEE HOW MANY CRAPS OUT THERE YARDS.
CAN I ASK YOU TO PLEASE GIVE US THE CITY'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS CASE ONE MORE TIME SO WE CAN MOVE ON? YES.
UH, THE CITY RECOMMENDS FINDING THE PROPERTY IN VIOLATION OF ALL THE CITED CODES AND, UH, SETTING A COMPLIANCE DATE OF 7 7 26 OR A FINE OF UP TO $250 A DAY.
THAT'S, UH, MOTION ONE, MR. CHAIRMAN? YES, SIR.
I MOTION MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE A COMMENT QUESTION BEFORE WE HAVE A MOTION.
UM, ADAM, A IS IMMEDIATE SAFETY VIOLATION.
IS THAT STILL AN IMMEDIATE SAFETY VIOLATION? UH, NO.
THE POOL IS SECURE, BUT THE FENCE IS, UH, STILL IN DISREPAIR.
WHAT, WHERE? WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT ITEMS. I JUST FIXED THE FENCE AT THIS TIME.
GIMME A CALL AND I'LL, I'LL FILL YOU IN OR I'LL, I'LL EMAIL YOU.
SEND PICTURES THAT THEY'RE UP THERE, BUT I'LL SEND YOU THE PICTURES.
IS IT, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE FIRST PHOTO? I BELIEVE THAT'S WHEN THE FENCE WAS SHOWN.
I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT A SAFETY VIOLATION.
SO THAT'S, YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT FENCE? YES SIR.
OH, THE FENCE ON THE LEFT IS A BEFORE PICTURE THAT SAYS, UH, LET SEE MARCH.
AND THESE, THE PHOTOS ON THE RIGHT ARE THE SAME PERSPECTIVE, ZOOMING IN.
THE PHOTO, THE UPPER RIGHT IS THE SAME VIEW, BUT THE FENCE IS UP BUT LEANING AND THEN THAT'S IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
THE MIDDLE LOWER PHOTO OUTTA MAY IS COM IS COMPLIED.
ALRIGHT, SO BC B, C, AND D ARE THE ONES THAT ARE IN NON-COMPLIANCE AT THIS TIME.
UH, MR. MOBA, I BELIEVE YOU HAVE A MOTION.
I MOTION THAT AFTER RECEIVING NOTICE CI OF PROPERTY AND ALL RESPONDENTS IN CE 20 26 12
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BE FOUND IN VIOLATION.THE CITY CODE DECIDED AND THAT THE CI OF PROPERTY AND ALL RESPONDENTS BE GIVEN UNTIL JULY 7TH, 2026 TO COMPLY OR A FINE OF UP TO $250 PER DAY ACCESSORY EACH DAY AFTER THE FINE CONTINUES BEYOND THE SET DATE.
YOU GO, YOU KNOW THE CITY WOULD BE RICH IF THEY DID THEIR JOB.
SIR, THEY'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF WHAT? OF THEIR, THEIR JOB.
ALRIGHT, YOU'VE HAD YOUR OPPORTUNITY.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND BY MR. THIEL.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION BETWEEN THE BOARD? I HAVE A QUESTION.
I MAY BE TOTALLY OFF BASE, BUT THAT FENCE AROUND THAT POOL DOESN'T LOOK RIGHT.
SO ON THE LEFT IS MARCH, AND THEN ON THE UPPER RIGHT IS THE SAME AREA WHERE HE'S ACTUALLY REPAIRED THE FENCE AROUND THE POOL, UH, WHERE THE FENCE WAS MISSING.
HE HAS NEW FENCING THERE, BUT BEYOND THAT IT'S IN DISREPAIR.
UH, MOTION BETWEEN THE, UH, BEFORE THE BOARD, HOW DO WE VOTE? ALL IN FAVOR? SAY YAY.
SO SIR, SO WHAT WE JUST DID IS YOU NOW HAVE UNTIL THE NEXT BOARD MEETING TO CORRECT ALL THIS STUFF.
AND YOU ALREADY SAID YOU'RE, YOU'RE WORKING DILIGENTLY ON DOING SO.
CONTINUE THE PROCESS, SIR, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, CONTACT MR. HARRELL.
MR. HARRELL, I GOT A QUESTION.
WHY DON'T YOU HAVE THESE PEOPLE NOT NOW DO THEIR JOB? NOT NOW AT, AT TOMORROW, BUT NOT DURING THIS MEETING.
SIR, WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT ITEM, ITEM NUMBER 13, CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 0 2 1 3.
PROPERTY LOCATED AT 4 0 6 BLUFF DRIVE.
ITEM NUMBER 13, CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 0 2 1 3.
HOW YOU DO, CAN YOU RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND? UM, DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES.
AND HOW ARE YOU ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROPERTIES? UH, MY NAME'S PATRICK SHAW.
I OWN THE PROPERTY AS OF TODAY, I'M THE ONE PURCHASING THE PROPERTY.
AND WHAT IS YOUR NAME? TATIANA.
WE'RE HERE ON UNFINISHED BUSINESS.
WHAT CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT THE PROGRESS THAT'S BEEN MADE? YES, THEY HAVE, UM, THEY HAD A, THE LOWER RIGHT PICTURE, THE UPPER RIGHT WINDOW, THEY HAD THE PERMIT ISSUED AND COMPLETED IN MAY.
BUT THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY MAJOR PROGRESS, UH, THAT WE'VE SEEN AT THE PROPERTY.
WHAT IS THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE CITY? CITY RECOMMENDS STAYING THE FINE AT $8,500 TO JULY 8TH, 2026 BECAUSE THERE'S A NEW INTEREST BUYER, UH, WHO HAS PLEDGED TO, UH, BRING THE PROPERTY INTO COMPLIANCE WITH PERMITS AND CORRECT ALL THE VIOLATIONS.
UM, MR. SHAW OR MS. UH, APONTE, DO EITHER OF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR INSPECTOR GERMAN OR ANY COMMENTS FOR THE BOARD? I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
I WAS JUST WONDERING, YOU SAID THAT YOU'RE GONNA GIVE A STATE EFFECT FOR A MONTH FOR UNTIL JULY, YOU SAID, UH, THAT WOULD BE STAY UNTIL JULY 8TH.
IS THERE ANY POSSIBLE 2026? I COULD GET IT FOR MAYBE TWO MONTHS, JUST BECAUSE WE NEED TO GET PER PERMITS, BUT WE ARE GONNA START WITH THE ARCHITECT FIRST, SO THAT MIGHT TAKE US A LITTLE BIT LONGER TO GET THINGS MOVING ALONG.
UM, SO YEAH, SO HOW IT WORKS IS, UH, WE SEND THE STAY TILL SEVEN, EIGHT, MM-HMM
AND IF WE SEE PROGRESS, JUST STAY IN TOUCH WITH ME, GIMME UPDATES, UM, THEN WE CAN CONSIDER ANOTHER EXTENSION BEYOND THAT IF WE SEE, YOU KNOW, DILIGENT PROGRESS.
UM, SO BASICALLY WE HAVE TO START WITH THE ARCHITECT FIRST.
SO PROBABLY NOTHING'S GONNA BE DONE TO THE PROPERTY AND THE FOLLOWING PROBABLY IN TWO MONTHS FROM TODAY BECAUSE WE CAN'T REALLY DO ANYTHING WITHOUT A PLAN, WITHOUT PLANS.
SO BASICALLY I'LL NEED AT LEAST THREE MONTHS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN GET THE PLANS SUBMITTED.
UM, AND I CAN, UH, AMEND MY RECOMMENDATION TO EXTEND THE STAY TO AUGUST THE 26TH.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS? NO, I'M OKAY.
IT'S NICE THAT THEY'RE PRESERVING AN OLD, AN OLD BUILDING.
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I CAN MAKE EITHER DO A MOTION OF FINE, UH, STAY A FINE OR A STAY OF FINE EXTENDED? WHICH WOULD YOU LIKE? EXTENSION? UM, IT'S A STAY OF FINE.I MOTION THAT ALTHOUGH THE CITED PROPERTY AND ALL RESPONDENTS IN CE 2024 DASH TWO THREE REMAINS IN NONCOMPLIANCE WITH THE BOARD'S PREVIOUS ORDERS, THE FINE SHALL BE STAYED FROM ACCRUING AND REMAIN AT THE CURRENT AMOUNT OF $8,500 UNTIL THE HEARING ON AUGUST 20.
WAS IT AUGUST 26TH? AUGUST 26TH.
I HAVE A MOTION BEFORE THE BOARD AND A SECOND, BUT MR. THIEL, ANY OTHER FURTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE VOTE? I DO.
MY NUMBER 13 SAYS SOUTH HICKORY STREET WITH A DIFFERENT CE NUMBER.
YOU MIGHT BE ON THE, UH, UH, THAT'S A DIF THAT'S IT'S A DIFFERENT CASE.
CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT DOCUMENT? I THINK POWERPOINT A CERTAIN NUMBER 13.
YEAH, SHE MIGHT BE LOOKING AT THE MINUTES.
YOU WERE LOOKING AT THE MINUTES.
SO WE, WE HAVE A MOTION BEFORE THE BOARD.
WE LOOKING AT THE NINE ONE LAST QUOTE.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION BEFORE THE BOARD AND WE HAVE A SECOND.
NO FURTHER DIS UH, DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS.
HOW DOES THE BOARD VOTE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YAY.
NEXT ITEM IS ITEM NUMBER NINE, CASE NUMBER 2025 DASH 0 0 4 0 3.
PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1509 NORMAN DRIVE.
UM, OFFICER HAROLD, THIS IS UNFINISHED BUSINESS.
WHAT CAN YOU TELL THE BOARD ABOUT, ACTUALLY, BEFORE WE DO THAT? UH, SIR MATT, CAN YOU RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND? DO YOU SWEAR AFFIRM THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO, YES.
AND WHAT ARE YOUR NAMES? TRACY ELLI.
AND HOW ARE YOU ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROPERTY? UM, THIS IS MY UNCLE'S HOUSE.
UH, OFFICER OR OFFICIAL HAROLD, WE ARE HERE ON UNFINISHED BUSINESS.
WHAT CAN YOU TELL THE BOARD ABOUT, UH, THIS CASE? WELL, WE STILL HAVE SIGNIFICANT DETERIORATION OF THE PROPERTY HERE THAT STILL NEEDS TO BE REMEDIED.
HOWEVER, WE MAKE CONTACT OR THEY, THEY'VE MADE CONTACT WITH US, THE, UH, RELATIVES OF THE DECEASED OWNER.
THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY TO THIS FOR THIS PROPERTY.
SO THE CITY'S RECOMMENDATION IS TO STAY THE FINE AT THE CURRENT AMOUNT OF 1070 $5 UNTIL 7, 8 26.
UH, MR. OR MRS. ELLI, UM, DO EITHER OF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR INSPECTOR HAROLD OR ANY COMMENTS FOR THE BOARD? NO, WE, THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE WANTED WAS JUST A STATE OF THE FINES TO ALLOW.
I, IT'S IN PROBATE, BUT I HAVEN'T GOTTEN THE JUDGMENT YET.
SO AS SOON AS I HAVE THE AUTHORITY, THEN I WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY.
THEN WE WILL START GOING IN AND CLEANING IT UP, BOARDING UP THE WINDOWS, THERE'S A MORTGAGE.
SO UNTIL I FIGURE OUT WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT, I, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST MOW IT DOWN.
BUT
UM, SO YOUR INTENTION IS, IS TO FIX IT UP AND SELL IT.
UM, ACTUALLY I DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO SELL IT BECAUSE THERE'S A MORTGAGE.
YOUR INTENTION EVENTUALLY WHEN YOU GET IT, WHEN YOU GET THE TRUST OR YOU ARREST YOUR PEOPLE ALL SQUARED AWAY.
SO IT'S UP TO THE MORTGAGE COMPANY.
SO RIGHT NOW THERE'S A MORTGAGE THAT FAR EXCEEDS THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY.
SO IT'S GONNA BE UP TO THE MORTGAGE TO DECIDE WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO, OR THEY'RE GONNA FORECLOSE, ALLOW A SHORT SALE, WHAT HAVE YOU.
UH, THE HOME HASN'T HAD BASIC MAINTENANCE IN LIKE THE LAST 30 YEARS.
SO IT'S STRIP IT TO THE WALLS AT BEST.
IT MIGHT EVEN BE JUST KNOCK IT OVER.
UM, SO WE'RE PROPOSING IS BASICALLY GET THE PROPERTY CLEANED UP, CLEAN UP THE RUBBISH, CLEAN UP THE YARD, BOARD UP THE WINDOWS UNTIL IT CAN GO THROUGH PROBATE AND THEN LET THE PROBATE PROCESS FIGURE OUT WHAT THE END STATE WILL BE.
SO YOU HAVE, I I'M, I MAY BE SPEAKING OUT.
I, I CAN SEE THIS FROM MY HOUSE.
I'M FAMILIAR WITH WHERE YOU LIVE.
AND I WOULD, I, I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO, FOR YOU TO DO WHATEVER YOU CAN DO
I, I MEAN, I'VE REACHED OUT TO PEOPLE THAT I KNOW ABOUT THE COST OF DEMOLITION, YOU KNOW, DEMOLISHING IT COMPLETELY.
UNFORTUNATELY, THERE'S SEVERAL STEPS THAT HAVE TO HAPPEN BEFORE THAT.
AND, UM, AND I WOULD HAVE TO GET PERMITS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHAT THE MORTGAGE COMPANY DECIDES THAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO.
RIGHT NOW, WHAT, WHAT MY REALM OF AUTHORITY IS, IS TO BOARD
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IT UP, LOCK IT DOWN, KEEP THE YARD MAINTAINED, GET RID OF THE TRASH, AND THAT'S A, THAT'S ABOUT ALL I CAN DO UNTIL THE PROBATE PAD GOES THROUGH AND THAT'LL BE ACTUALLY OUT OF OUR POCKET.I, I THINK WE CAN START THE PROCESS FOR YOU AND IF YOU NEED MORE TIME, WE CAN DEAL WITH THAT LATER.
THE CITY, THE CITY WILL CERTAINLY WORK WITH YOU.
AND I ASKED TO BE PUT ON THE AGENDA.
AT THAT TIME THEY DIDN'T
SO AT, AT THE TIME, MARK DECIDED AND TOLD MICHAEL TO GO AHEAD AND START THE PROCESS OF SENDING THE VIOLATION LETTERS TO THE MORTGAGE COMPANY.
UM, I DON'T, I HAVE HEARD FROM MICHAEL, HE HAS MADE CONTACT, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE RECEIVED ANY POSITIVE.
I GUESS I DON'T KNOW HOW ALL THAT WORKS, RIGHT,
MARK, IS THERE A LIEN ON THE PRO ON THE PROPERTY NOW? DO WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH A LIEN ON THE PROPERTY OR NO? THERE, THERE'S A, UH, FINE.
THERE'S A FINE WITH A LIEN, BUT I MEAN, THE MORTGAGE LIEN, THAT'S NOT OUR PROBLEM.
SO HOW ABOUT STAY A FINE? YES, SIR.
I MOTION, ALTHOUGH CITED PROPERTY NOTE RESPONDENTS IN CE 2024 DASH 0 0 4 0 3, HAVING, UH, THERE'S NO, I DON'T HAVE THE FINE HERE.
SO IT'S 1,075 SHALL BE STAYED FROM ACCRUING AND REMAIN AT THE CURRENT AMOUNT, WHICH I JUST MENTIONED.
1,075 UNTIL THE HEARING ON 7 8 20 26.
SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION FOR THE BOARD.
HOW DO WE VOTE ON THIS MOTION? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY YAY.
EVERYBODY NEEDS TO GET YOUR MICS A LITTLE CLOSER.
SPEAK INTO YOUR MIC SO WE CAN, SO WE CAN BE RECORDED FOR THE RECORD.
NEXT ITEM IS ITEM NUMBER 12, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 0 0 8 9 6.
PROPERTY LOCATED 1807 RIVER RIVERVIEW DRIVE.
CAN YOU RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND? DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES.
WHAT IS YOUR NAME? TONY RUANO.
AND HOW ARE YOU ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROPERTY? I'M THE OWNER'S REP.
WE'RE HERE AT UNFINISHED BUSINESS.
WHAT CAN YOU TELL THE BOARD ABOUT THE PROGRESS? UM, THE PERMIT FOR ALL THIS WORK FOR THE DOCK, THE DECKS, THE STAIRS, THE LANDING AND THE, YEAH, THE DOCK THAT HAS NOT BEEN ISSUED.
UM, THEY DID SUBMIT SOME NEW DOCUMENTS FOR REVIEW TODAY, BUT, UH, THIS PERMIT HAS STILL NOT BEEN ISSUED.
WHAT IS THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE CITY? THE CITY RECOMMENDS STARTING THE FINE AT $50 A DAY EVERY DAY UNTIL COMPLIED.
UH, MR. RUGO, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS FOR THE BOARD OR ANY QUESTIONS FOR INSPECTOR GERMAN? YES.
UM, FIRST OFF, I'D LIKE TO THANK THE BOARD, UH, FOR THEIR PATIENCE IN THIS MATTER.
UM, YOU KNOW, I WAS, I AM A GENERAL CONTRACTOR.
I WAS THE BUILDER OF THE DUPLEX.
UM, THE OWNER IS AN ITALIAN, OLD ITALIAN GUY, AND HE DOES NOT SPEAK GOOD ENGLISH AT ALL.
UM, SO HE, UM, HE DECIDED TO HIRE THE, THE FIRST CONTRACTOR HIMSELF FOR THE DOCK.
THAT CONTRACTOR IS THE ONE WHO REALLY STARTED TO MAKE THE, THE MESS OF THIS.
THEY, THEY BUILT IT IN THE RIPARIAN LINE.
YOU KNOW, THEY HAD A, A LOT OF, UH, UNWARRANTED, UH, WORK.
UM, SO I, I CAME IN TO CLEAN IT UP.
WE ACTUALLY FIRED ANOTHER CONTRACTOR.
WE FIRED TWO DRAFTSMEN, UH, AND TWO ENGINEERS.
AND WE FINALLY FOUND AN ENGINEER THAT ACTUALLY PRODUCED A, A BEAUTIFUL SET OF PLANS AND, AND HAS TAKEN CARE OF ALL THE, THE DISCREPANCIES WITH THE CITY OF MELBOURNE.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE THE, UH, I WAS ABLE TO STRAIGHTEN OUT AND KEEP THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEER PERMIT, UH, ACTIVE AND THE, THE DEP PERMIT ACTIVE TOO AS WELL.
SO WE DID SUBMIT, UH, A FULL SET OF PLANS THIS MORNING.
UM, WE BELIEVE THAT, THAT THIS IS THE, THE CORRECT SET OF PLANS THAT WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD FINALLY.
AND SO ONE OF THE, THE, ONE OF THE THINGS IN QUESTION, UM, WOULD BE THE, THE STAIRCASE AND THE, THE STAIRCASE SYSTEM WAS THERE PRIOR.
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FIRST GUY BUILT THE DOCK WHEN WE PULLED AND TOOK OVER THE PERMITS WITH THE CONTRACTOR THAT WE HAVE NOW.IT ACTUALLY SHOWS ON THE PLANS, THE STAIRCASE AND ALL THE FIXES AS WELL AS IT'S LISTED ON OUR PERMIT.
SO WE'RE GONNA ASK THE CITY TOMORROW TO, TO NOT, UH, HAVE US PULL A NEW PERMIT FOR THE STAIRS.
IT WAS JUST, UM, UPGRADED BASICALLY, AND BROUGHT UP TO CODE AND, AND DECK BOARDS WERE PUT ON IT TO CLEAN IT UP.
UM, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP BOTH PERMITS TOGETHER AND, AND BOTH SYSTEMS TOGETHER AND THEN MOVE FORWARD AND FINALIZE THIS.
AND I BELIEVE AT THIS POINT WE'RE READY FOR INSPECTIONS WITH THE CITY, AND THEN WE CAN CLOSE OUT THE OTHER TWO PERMITS AFTER.
SO WE'RE ASKING THE BOARD FOR, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST ANOTHER MONTH, MAYBE ANOTHER MONTH EXTENSION.
AND THAT WAY WE CAN SEE WHAT THE PLAN REVIEWER SAYS ABOUT OUR PLANS AND WE CAN ACTUALLY MOVE FORWARD WITH THE INSPECTIONS AT THIS POINT.
HAVE WE SEEN ANY OF THE DOCUMENTS THAT HE SPOKE ABOUT? UM, I SKIMMED THEM OVER.
IT'S VERY LONG AND IT LOOKS, YOU KNOW, ENGINEERED PLANS THAT REALLY SPEAK TO WHAT'S GOING ON THERE.
SO YOU DO SEE THAT THEY ARE STARTING TO NOW BECOME COMPLIANT TO AT LEAST GETTING TO THE PERMIT PROCESS.
I GUESS THEY TOOK ANOTHER STEP.
THE, UH, CITY COULD CHANGE ITS RECOMMENDATION TO, UH, GRANTING AN EXTENSION OF COMPLIANCE TO JULY 7TH.
YEAH, I WILL GO WITH THAT 2026.
AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S BEEN A LONG DRAWN OUT PROCESS, RIGHT? SO WE'RE, WE'RE RIGHT THERE AT THE FINISH LINE.
WE JUST NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE HERE.
WE DO THIS, YOU'VE GOTTA KEEP THE PROCESS MOVING, OKAY? ABSOLUTELY.
JUST, YOU'VE GOTTA KEEP THE PROCESS MOVING.
SO IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, TO DO THIS MOTION, THEN WE NEED YOU TO DO YOUR PART TOO.
SO YOUR ENGINEERING PACKAGE WAS DONE BY PROFESSIONAL DOCK PEOPLE SO THAT THE CITY SHOULD NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WHEN THEY REVIEW IT.
CORRECT? HER CURSORY REVIEW OF THE, OF THE DOCUMENTS SUBMITTED SAYS THAT THEY ARE PROFESSIONALLY DONE.
I MOTION, ALTHOUGH THE CITY PROPERTY AND ALL RESPONDENTS AND CE 20 23 0 8 9 9 6 REMAINS IN NONCOMPLIANCE.
REMAINS IN NONCOMPLIANCE WITH THE BOARD'S PREVIOUS ORDER.
THE DATE FOR COMPLIANCE BE EXTENDED TO 7 6 20 26.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION, WE HAVE A SECOND BY MR. TEAL.
ANY OTHER DISCRETIONS OR QUESTIONS? HEARING NONE, LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE.
HOW DOES THE BOARD VOTE? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY YAY.
NEXT ITEM IS ITEM NUMBER 38, CASE NUMBER 2025 DASH 0 0 1 0 7.
PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1962 GARNER AVE.
HI, CAN YOU, UH, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND? YES.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM? UH, SO YOU'RE TRANSLATING? YES.
UH, DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TRANSLATION FROM ENGLISH TO SPANISH WILL BE ACCURATE TO THE BEST OF YOUR ABILITIES? I DO.
AND WHAT IS YOUR NAME? ESMERALDA ALVAREZ.
AND YOU CAN PUT, UH, YOU CAN PUT YOUR HAND DOWN AND IF YOU CAN TELL HER TO RAISE HER RIGHT HAND.
AND I NEED YOU TO SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE AS WELLM, THE TRANSLATOR.
UM, CAN YOU, UH, DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YEAH.
AND THEN WHAT DID SHE SAY? SHE SAID, YES.
AND YOU CAN RAISE, UH, LOWER YOUR HAND.
AND MA'AM, HOW ARE YOU ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROPERTY? SHE'S THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.
AND, OKAY, INSPECTOR DURANT, WE ARE HERE ON NEW BUSINESS.
WHAT CAN YOU TELL THE BOARD ABOUT THE VIOLATION IN THIS CASE? YES, THIS IS GOING TO BE A VIOLATION OF, UH, ITEM A FOR A BUILDING PERMIT
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REQUIRED FOR THE, UH, BACK ADDITION.AS YOU CAN SEE IN THOSE TWO PHOTOS RIGHT THERE, B IS COMPLIED, UH, PRIOR TO HEARING, BECAUSE SHE WAS ABLE TO WORK WITH ONE OF OUR BUILDING PLANNERS THAT, UH, SPEAKS FLUID SPANISH AND SHE WAS ABLE TO OBTAIN THE PERMIT FOR THE FENCE AND GET THE FENCE INSTALLED.
UM, IF YOU GO TO THE SECOND SLIDE, YOU COULD SEE RIGHT THERE ON THE LEFT IN THE 2026 AERIAL, THIS IS FROM JANUARY OF THIS YEAR, YOU SEE ON THE LEFT HAND CORNER, THAT'S THE ROOF OF THE ADDITION THAT WAS ADDED AND THAT YOU LOOK TO THE RIGHT, THE 2021 AERIAL, UH, YOU COULD SEE THAT IT'S NOT THERE.
INSPECTOR DURANT, WHAT WAS THE DATE FOR THE NOTICE OF VIOLATION? UH, YES.
THE INITIAL NOTICE OF VIOLATION WAS MAILED OUT ON 3 4 25.
AND THEN AN AMENDED NOTICE OF VIOLATION WAS MAILED OUT ON 3 19 25.
THE NOTICE OF HEARING WAS MAILED OUT ON 3 18 26.
THEY WERE ALL MAILED TO THE, THE ADDRESS LISTED ON THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S WEBSITE.
AND THE NOTICE OF HEARING WAS POSTED AT THE PROPERTY ON 5 21 26.
WHAT IS THE CITY'S RECOMMENDATION? YES, THE CITY RECOMMENDS A FINDING OF VIOLATION AND SET THE COMPLIANCE DATE FOR JULY 7TH, 2026 OR A FINE OF UP TO $250 A DAY FOR EVERY DAY THE VIOLATION EXISTS.
I'LL ALLOW YOU TO TRANSLATE FOR MS. MM-HMM
SHE'S SAYING THAT SHE IS LOOKING INTO SOMEONE TO COME OUT TO INSPECT AND FINALIZE EVERYTHING WITHIN THE TIME.
DOES SHE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR INSPECTOR DURANT OR ANY COMMENTS FOR THE BOARD? WHAT IS THE INSPECTOR ASKING FOR? JUST THE, THE PERMIT? YEAH.
SHE, SHE JUST DOESN'T KNOW WHAT YES.
WHAT'S REALLY UNDER, LIKE SHE DOESN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON.
LET HER LET HER KNOW THAT IF SHE COMES IN TO THE, INTO OUR OFFICE MM-HMM
WE'LL HAVE JUAN SPEAK TO HER AND, AND EXPLAIN IT TO HER AGAIN.
YOU KNOW, THE STEPS THAT SHE NEEDS TO TAKE MM-HMM
TO GET A PERMIT FOR THAT ADDITION.
THAT SHE, THAT SHE ADDED ON SOMETIME IN 2021.
IS THAT OKAY? SHE'LL COME IN, SHE'LL COME IN
SHE SAID SHE'S SORRY, SHE DIDN'T KNOW THAT SHE NEEDED A PERMIT, BUT IT'S WELL DONE.
IS THERE A BACKLOG AT ALL GETTING PERMITS RIGHT NOW? AH, NO.
HOW, HOW LONG WOULD HER PACKAGE TAKE? BASICALLY, IF, IF ALL THE PAPERWORK'S CORRECT, IT SHOULD TAKE LESS THAN A WEEK.
SHE HAS TO GET IT THOUGH, RIGHT? SHE HAS TO GET TO MAKE SURE THAT SHE HAS THE RIGHT, UH, DRAWINGS AND DRAWINGS AND SCHEMATICS, EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT'S PROBABLY GONNA REQUIRE ENGINEERING, ENGINEERING DRAWINGS.
THE ONLY OTHER OPTION IS SHE CAN REMOVE IT, TAKE IT DOWN.
WELL, I'M THINKING OF, OF JUST EXTENDING COMPLIANCE.
THE, THE CITY'S POSITION AS THIS HAS BEEN, SHE'S BEEN KNOWN, SHE KNOWS WITH HER MANY TIMES ALREADY.
SHE KNOWS WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
WHO IS THIS THE LAST, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS? NO, NO, NO.
SO RECOMMENDATION IT IS TO EXTEND COMPLIANCE A FIND TO FIND IT'S THE FINDING.
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I'M SORRY? IT THE FINDING MOTION NUMBER ONE.YEAH, IF YOU CAN LET HER KNOW HER OTHER OPTION IS TO REMOVE IT.
SO UNTIL THE 7TH OF JULY? YES.
I MOTION THAT AFTER RECEIVING NOTICE CITED PROPERTY AND ALL RESPONDENT IN CE 2025 DASH 0 0 1 0 7 BE FOUND IN VIOLATION OF CITY CODES AS CITED.
AND THAT THE CITED PROPERTY AND ALL RESPONDENTS BE GIVEN UNTIL JULY 6TH, 2026 TO COMPLY WITH THE COMPLY OR A FIND OF UP TO $250 PER DAY BE ASSESSED FOR EACH DAY.
THE VIOLATION CONTINUES BEYOND THE SAID DATE.
SO WE, WE HAVE A MOTION FOR THE BOARD AND A AND A SECOND BY MR. LOOMER.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO OTHER QUESTIONS.
HOW DOES THE BOARD VOTE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YAY.
CASE NUMBER 2026 DASH 0 0 2 1 1 PROPERTY LOCATED AT 48 11 SPRING WATER CIRCLE.
UH, WE HAVE A COUPLE PEOPLE HERE.
UH, SIR, MA'AM, IF YOU CAN RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES.
AND WHAT ARE YOUR NAMES? JONAH COUNTRYMAN.
THIS IS MY WIFE JENNIFER COUNTRYMAN.
AND HOW ARE YOU ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROPERTY? ONE COUNTRYMAN, UH, PROPERTY OWNER.
AND OVER ON THIS SIDE, UM, CAN YOU ALL RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND? DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES.
AND WHAT ARE YOUR NAMES? ANTHONY BA BEN GUEST RICHARD MILLARD.
AND HOW ARE YOU ALL ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROPERTY? NEIGHBORS.
INSPECTOR KELLER RIGHT HERE ON NEW BUSINESS.
WHAT CAN YOU TELL THE BOARD ABOUT THIS VIOLATION? UM, I THINK SOME OF THE BOARD MEMBERS ARE FAMILIAR WITH THIS CASE IN THE PAST OF A, OF THE BOUNCE HOUSE BUSINESS.
UM, THEY KEEP PUTTING UP, UM, THEIR BOUNCE HOUSES, UH, AT THEIR RESIDENCE.
UM, THEY HAVE A BOUNCE HOUSE BUSINESS AND, AND, UM, PUT 'EM UP AT THEIR RESIDENCE, UM, FOR THE PURPOSES OF, OF CLEANING THEM AND, UM, LETTING 'EM DRY AND PUTTING 'EM IN THE GARAGE.
UM, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE, THIS IS A REPEAT VIOLATION.
WHAT DATES ARE WE LOOKING AT FOR THE VIOLATION? UM, SO GOING THROUGH THE SLIDES HERE, UM, UH, FIRST, UH, SLIDE ON, WELL, I, I THINK WE, IT'S BEST THAT WE LET THE, UM, THE PEOPLE WHO TOOK THE PHOTOS, UH, UM, TESTIFY TO THOSE CASES.
BUT THE, UH, THE, THE FINE THE CASES, THE, EXCUSE ME, THE DATES ARE GONNA BE JANUARY 24TH, 2026, APRIL 10TH, 2026, APRIL 11TH, 2026, AND APRIL 23RD, 2026.
UM, CAN I GO BACK TO THE PHOTOGRAPHS? CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE FIRST ONE? ALRIGHT, SO I'M GONNA START WITH MR. BEN.
I BELIEVE THAT I'VE SEEN YOU HERE BEFORE ON THIS ISSUE, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME PHOTOGRAPHS.
I SEE A DATE OF JANUARY 24TH, APRIL 10TH AND APRIL 11TH.
IT LOOKS LIKE YOU, YOU'RE ON THE JANUARY 24TH, UH, PHOTOGRAPH LISTED AS THE PERSON WHO TOOK THAT PHOTOGRAPH.
IS THAT A PHOTOGRAPH THAT YOU TOOK? YES.
WHAT CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT, UH, WHAT YOU OBSERVED ON THAT DATE? IT'S A BOUNCE HOUSE.
IT IS BEEN PUT UP AND THEY'RE PERFORMING MAINTENANCE ON IT.
IT'S A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'S, THIS IS NOT AN INDUSTRIAL PARK WHERE CLEANING AND MAINTENANCE ACTIVITY SHOULD BE PERMITTED.
NOW WHEN YOU SAY MAINTENANCE ACTIVITY, WHAT DID THIS APPEAR TO BE LIKE? IT WAS BEING USED BY, UM, CHILDREN OR EVEN ADULTS
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IN A RECREATIONAL, UH, USE SETTING.NO, I BELIEVE IF YOU, UM, ZOOM IN BEHIND THE TRUCK, YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE SOMEONE CLEANING IT.
APPROXIMATELY HOW LONG WAS IT UP ON THAT DATE, DO YOU RECALL? I DO NOT RECALL.
UH, CAN WE GO TO ANY OTHER PHOTOGRAPHS TO SEE IF MR. BAM WAS ON ANY OF THE PHOTOGRAPHS? YES.
UM, MR. BAM, I SEE THAT YOU'RE ALSO ON THE APRIL 11TH PHOTOGRAPH.
UM, WHAT CAN YOU TELL THE BOARD ABOUT THAT DATE? UH, AGAIN, WE'VE GOT MAINTENANCE ACTIVITIES, UM, REGARDING A BUSINESS.
DID IT APPEAR THAT AS THOUGH THAT BOUNCE HOUSE WAS BEING USED FOR RECREATIONAL PURPOSES? NO.
WHAT DID YOU OBSERVE BEING DONE OR, OR IF ANYTHING WAS BEING DONE WITH THAT BOUNCE HOUSE ON THAT DATE? UM, I BELIEVE AGAIN, IF YOU ZOOM IN TIGHTLY BEHIND THE PICKUP TRUCK, YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, BUSINESS OPERATOR CLEANING THE, UH, BOUNCE HOUSE.
CAN WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE? I THINK I SAW ONE MORE.
WHAT'S THE SLIDE BEFORE THAT ONE? IT'S 21ST.
UM, THIS APPEARS TO BE A PHOTOGRAPH THAT YOU TOOK AS WELL.
WHAT CAN YOU TELL THE BOARD ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE OBSERVING IN THIS PHOTOGRAPH? JUST EQUIPMENT THAT IS SET UP AND SET UP.
IT'S, THERE'S NO CHILDREN PLAYING.
IT'S PART OF THE BUSINESS MAINTENANCE OPERATION.
AND IT IS, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S BUSINESS ACTIVITIES IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
WERE THERE ANY OTHER DATES OR THOSE, THE, THOSE ARE THREE DATES, CORRECT? RALPH, BUT IT WAS, THERE WAS FOUR DATES.
CAN WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE? UH, THAT'S JUST IN SOME OF THE OUTSIDE STORAGE, UM, OF YESTERDAY AND, AND TODAY.
SO LET'S GO BACK TO THE FIRST SLIDE.
UH, ACTUALLY BEFORE WE GO ON FROM MR. B, I SHOULD GIVE THE, UM, THE RESPONDENTS SOME OPPORTUNITY TO ASK MR. BAM ANY QUESTIONS.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BAM? UH, YES.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, HE'S TESTIFYING THAT HE DID NOT SEE ANY CHILDREN PLAYING ON THE EQUIPMENT WHATSOEVER DURING THOSE PHOTOGRAPHS.
AFTER THOSE PHOTOGRAPHS AT THE TIME THEY WERE SET UP AT TIME, THAT'S A YES OR NO QUESTION.
GIMME AN OPPORTUNITY TO REPLY AT THIS TIME.
I DO NOT RECALL THERE BEING CHILDREN PLAYING ON YOUR SIR, YOU DO NOT RECALL ME ASKING.
SIR, NO, YOU'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT.
HE HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO FINISH WHAT HE'S SAYING.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA INTERRUPT HIM.
I I DO NOT RECALL THEIR KIDS PLAYING ON THE EQUIPMENT AT THE TIME THAT I TOOK THE PHOTOGRAPHS OR IMMEDIATELY THEREAFTER.
AND IF I MAY, SO ON THE APRIL 23RD VIDEOS OF MY SON AND MY HUSBAND AND MYSELF PLAYING ALL DAY ON THOSE TWO PIECES OF EQUIPMENT, MULTIPLE VIDEOS, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S AT LEAST 12 RIGHT HERE.
SO MY FOLLOW UP QUESTION TO THAT IS, YOU DON'T REMEMBER ME OFFERING YOU A BETTER TOOL TO CUT YOUR TREES TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR YOU WHILE I WAS ON THIS WATER SIDE PLAYING WITH MY SON? YOU DON'T RECALL THAT? THAT WAS ON THE 23RD THE DAY THAT YOU PUT THE REDDIT POST OUT THERE FOR YOUR, UM, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AT THE TIME I SAW YOU CLEANING IT, I DID ABSOLUTELY NOT.
YOU BRING UP THE I HAVE VIDEO ABSOLUTELY NOT 110%.
AND I CAN LET ANYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO TAKE MY PHONE OUTSIDE, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW, HOW CAN WE PROVE THIS? I DO HAVE SECURITY FOOTAGE.
I REALIZE YOU HAVE SIX CAMERAS WHERE MY HOUSE IS IN, I I WANT TO PROVE THAT THIS IS A LIE AND HE SHOULD BE HELD IN CONTEMPT.
NO, THIS COURT DOESN'T HAVE THE
SO THEN WHY DO WE TAKE AN OATH? WHAT HAPPENS IF WE LIE? I, WE DECIDE.
SO IF YOU WANNA PRESENT EVIDENCE AT A FUTURE HEARING, YOU HAVE TO PRES YOU GIVE THAT TO US IN A, IN A, A THUMB DRIVE OR SOMETHING AND WE CAN HELP YOU WITH THAT.
'CAUSE WE CAN'T TAKE YOUR PHONE.
ANY EVIDENCE YOU HAVE, WE HAVE TO KEEP, I COULD EMAIL YOU NOW IF THAT HELPS.
IT'S NOT GONNA HELP RIGHT NOW.
AND I I ALSO DO HAVE A QUESTION.
SINCE YOU SAID WHEN WE PUT UP A REDDIT POST, I DID PULL THE, THE CASE FILE, I WAS ABLE TO GET THAT FROM CODE ENFORCEMENT.
IT'S A USERNAME THAT POSTED ON REDDIT.
IT DOES NOT HAVE MY NAME, MY HUSBAND'S NAME ON THERE.
CAN'T YOU? THE ONLY THING THAT I SAW ON THAT, IF YOU CAN CAN TALK INTO THE MIC PLEASE.
THE ONLY THING THAT I SAW ON THAT WAS AN ADDRESS.
THERE WAS NO NAME, JENNIFER COUNTRYMAN, JONAH COUNTRYMAN, COUNTRYMAN, HOME RUN JONES, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
THERE WAS A USERNAME AND A POST THAT HAPPENED TO BE UP FOR ONLY ABOUT TWO HOURS.
OUT OF CURIOSITY AS TO I WONDER WHO MAY OR MAY NOT BE SEARCHING.
SO I'M CURIOUS FOR SOMETHING THAT HAD NOT EVEN BEEN UP ENOUGH TIME TO BE WEB CRAWLED
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BY GOOGLE FOR A SEARCH.HOW'D YOU LOCATE THAT? IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION BY HER.
AND HOW DID THEY LOCATE THAT? I DID NOT ASK.
BECAUSE THAT'S A GROUP BOARD THAT YOU ARE NOT PRIVY TO AND THAT SOMEONE ELSE, IF THAT WAS YOUR SCREENSHOT OR SOMEONE ELSE'S IS NOT PRIVY TO BECAUSE THE JOIN BUTTON IS STILL ON THERE FOR THAT REDDIT BOARD.
SO I'M CURIOUS, THESE KIND OF THINGS ARE IRRELEVANT TO THIS CASE.
SHOW STALKING? NO, THAT'S, I'M STALKING IS NOT RELEVANT TO THIS CASE.
I I'M CURIOUS HOW IT'S DISCOVERED AND HOW CLOSELY I'M BEING MONITORED BECAUSE IT'S OBVIOUS THAT I'M BEING MONITORED VIA CAMERAS, VIA PHOTOGRAPHS, AND NOW THIS IS OVERSTEPPING INTO THE REALM OF THE INTERNET.
AND WHERE EXACTLY DOES THAT GO? ARE YOU THAT MY NAME'S NOT ON THERE AND HIS NAME'S NOT ON THERE.
SO IS SOMEONE CONSISTENTLY GOOGLING MY ADDRESS OR LOOKING ON DIFFERENT BOARDS? THAT'S YOU'RE OUTSIDE OF OUR WHEELHOUSE.
HERE'S HERE'S THE, WELL, THIS IS THE ONLY OPPORTUNITY I HAVE TO ASK HIM THE QUESTION TO SEE EXACTLY WHERE IT CAME FROM.
THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME YOU'VE BEEN HERE IN FRONT OF THE BOARD.
ALRIGHT? THIS IS, YOU'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE.
I, I, I REMEMBER THE CONVERSATION THAT I HAD WITH YOU DISTINCTLY.
I SAID, PLEASE REMEMBER, IF THIS HAPPENS AGAIN AND YOU COME BACK, EACH ONE OF THESE VIOLATIONS, YOU COULD BE FINE FOR EACH ONE OF THOSE VIOLATIONS.
AND YOU ASSURED ME AT THAT TIME, NO PROBLEM.
WE WILL NOT BE BACK HERE AGAIN.
BUT HERE WE ARE, WE'RE BACK AGAIN.
AND IT'S, AND IT'S, AND IT, THE ONLY THING THAT'S CHANGED IS A DIFFERENT DAY.
SO YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE A BUSINESS LICENSE THAT HAS RESTRICTIONS, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THAT LICENSE? NOT ANYMORE.
THERE'S NO LONGER A B PLEASE FINISH BECAUSE I HAVE A FEW POINTS.
WE, WE CALLED FOR THE WHOLE SUMMER BREAK.
THIS IS JUST A, A VIOLATION NOW OF, OF THE CITY CODE.
THERE'S NO, NO, IT'S NOT THERE IN
AND I, I WOULD LIKE, I APOLOGIZE IF I'M INTERRUPTING, BUT I WOULD LIKE, UM, A DEFINITION OF WHAT OPEN STORAGE IS AND WHAT A TIMEFRAME OF THAT WOULD BE.
DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR MR UM, FM? SO I, NO, I WILL ADDRESS ONE OF HIS EMAILS, BUT IT'S NOT A QUESTION, SO, OKAY.
MR. LET'S GO WITH MR. UH, I ASKED FOR A DEFINITION, SO I HAVE NO PROBLEM ANSWERING THAT QUESTION.
UH, REAL QUICKLY, UM, MARK DOESN'T WANT TO, UH, OUTSIDE STORAGE AND, AND, AND THE BOARD'S FAMILIAR WITH THIS, BUT FOR THE RESPONDENT'S SAKE, OUTSIDE STORAGE IS THINGS THAT ARE TYPICALLY NOT STORED THAT SHOULDN'T BE STORED OUTSIDE.
YOU HAVE OUTSIDE FURNITURE COMPLETELY, EXCEPT OUTSIDE FURNITURE BELONGS OUTSIDE.
IF YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF OUTSIDE FOR FURNITURE, EXCESSIVE AMOUNT OF IT STACKED, THAT WOULD BE OUTSIDE STORAGE.
IF YOU HAVE OUTSIDE OR INSIDE FURNITURE OUTSIDE, THAT WOULD BE, UM, OUTSIDE STORAGE.
IF YOU HAVE AN OUTSIDE GRILL THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
IF YOU HAVE A KITCHEN STOVE OUTSIDE, THAT WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE.
UH, AND, AND IN THIS CASE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, EQUIPMENT FOR THE BUSINESS AND FOR THIS, UM, BOUNCE HOUSE MATERIAL.
THIS IS NOT THINGS THAT SHOULD BE TYPICAL IN A RESIDENTIAL HOU UH, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD, UNLESS OF COURSE YOU WERE RENTING IT AND HAVING A BIRTHDAY PARTY.
SO ALL THESE ITEMS ARE OUTSIDE STORAGE.
THE, I HOPE THAT ANSWERS THE RESPONSE.
THE OPERATIVE WORD FOR THIS IS NUISANCE OUTSOURCE OUTSIDE STORAGE.
SO NOT EVERYTHING'S GONNA BE CONSIDERED A NUISANCE IF IT'S STORED OUTSIDE.
SO I CAN'T BE GIVEN A TIMEFRAME ON OUTSIDE STORAGE.
NOT NECESSARILY A TIMEFRAME, NO.
SO IF I HAD A LAWN COMPANY AND I BROUGHT MY LAWN MOWER HOME FOR AN HOUR TO WORK ON IT, IS THAT OUTSIDE STORAGE? Y WHAT DURATION OF THE TIME OF TIME DEFINE ACTUAL STORAGE.
WE'RE GETTING INTO THE WEEDS HERE.
WE'RE NOT HERE TO TALK ABOUT YOUR LAWNMOWER.
WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THIS SITUATION EXACTLY, BUT THEY, IT DOES NO CORRELATE.
SO YOU CAN'T GIVE ME A TIMEFRAME ON OPEN STORAGE IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
YOU'RE NOT, SO IF SOMETHING IS OUTSIDE FOR TWO OR THREE HOURS, THAT'S CONSIDERED STORAGE THE SAME WAY AS SOMETHING THAT'S LEFT OUT FOR A WEEK.
IF, IF, IS THAT BY DEFINITION THE SAME THING? THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ASK.
AND WE'VE TRIED TO ESTABLISH THIS, THIS AN ENTIRE TIME.
CAN YOU TELL ME, DO YOU LEAVE THIS PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT UP OVERNIGHT? NO.
EVERY NIGHT YOU DEFLATE THIS THING? YES.
THE, THE TOTAL THAT WE'RE SEEING FOR PICTURES.
SO, SO ON THESE FOUR DATES THAT WERE MENTIONED,
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THAT WAS NOT THERE THE NEXT DAY.THEY PUT 'EM UP, THEY SERVICE IT.
SO IF, WHICH IS NOT STORAGE, IF WE LOOK AT WHEN YOUS LET ME FINISH.
UM, LET ME INTERRUPT BECAUSE IF WE LOOK AT THE, THE TWO PHOTOS THERE, WE SEE A PICTURE TAKEN ON APRIL 10TH AND WE SEE A PICTURE TAKEN ON APRIL 11TH.
IT WAS NOT, IT'S IN A DIFFERENT POSITION ON THE DRIVEWAY.
ALL THE INFLATABLES WERE LEFT UP OVERNIGHT.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING THROUGH.
IT MAY BE THE SAME ONE THAT WE WORKED ON TWICE.
AND AGAIN, YOU CAN, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE POSITIONING IS DIFFERENT BECAUSE WE DID PULL IT DOWN STORE IT.
THE, UH, YOU SAID THE KIDS FOR CLEANING PLAY ON IT.
THE PHOTOS OVERNIGHT, IT WAS ROLLED OUT.
THE PHOTOS ARE DIFFERENT AND PUT AWAY, THE EQUIPMENT APPEARS TO BE IN THE SAME, SAME LOCATION.
IT'S BUSINESS OPERATIONS, MAINTENANCE PROCEDURES.
IT'S PLAYING WITH MY CHILDREN.
I, THEY WILL NOT ADMIT EITHER IT BUSINESS ACTIVITIES IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT IS MY NUMBER ONE COMPLAINT HERE.
I'VE BEEN CONSISTENT WITH THAT FROM DAY ONE.
YES, THEY'RE TAKING IT DOWN OVERNIGHT.
NOW, PREVIOUSLY THEY, THERE HAD BEEN DAYS ON END THAT IT HAD BEEN UP.
BUT THAT, THAT WAS UNDER PREVIOUS WE'VE MET BECAUSE WE WERE REGARDING THAT AND WE'VE MOVED FORWARD.
WE WERE TOLD STORAGE WAS NOT ALLOWED.
A GORILLA TACTIC WHERE THEY PUT IT UP, SERVICE IT, TAKE IT DOWN.
IT'S STILL BUSINESS ACTIVITIES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
LET'S, LET'S HEAR FROM THE OTHER.
I DO HAVE A QUESTION AND ASK FOR CLARITY.
SO POINTS A AND B, IT SAYS THAT THE, THE BAUSE HOUSE BUSINESS IS NOT OPERATING WITHIN.
SO, SO THE WEBSITE WAS STILL CURRENT AT THE TIME OF, OF THE, WHEN THEY WERE CITED.
AND HER RATIONALE IS SHE'S DOING IT FOR HOUSEKEEPING PURPOSES OR, OR ACCOUNTING PURPOSES.
SO THE, IT, IT WAS ACTIVE AT THE TIME AND UM, YOU CAN, YOU CAN RUN A BUSINESS ON THE DOWN LOW AS WELL, YOU KNOW, AND MAYBE NOT HAVE A BTR, WHICH THEY DO HAVE A BTR, UH, AND NOT HAVE YOUR SON LISTED AND STILL BE OPERATING A BUSINESS.
YOU CAN'T BECAUSE IN THIS INDUSTRY, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE INSURANCE TO CARRY FOR IT.
YOU ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE OVER A MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF COVERAGE FOR INCIDENTALS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THE WEBSITE IS UP FOR HOUSEKEEPING.
IF YOU ACTUALLY CLICK ON ANY OF THE ITEMS, YOU CAN DO IT.
RIGHT NOW, EVERYTHING SAYS NOT AVAILABLE.
SO I CAN BE ABLE TO COLLECT TAX RECORDS FROM SEVERAL YEARS THAT I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO GO AHEAD AND DO, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN GETTING INFORMATION FOR THIS CASE, GETTING INFORMATION FOR MY CURRENT FORECLOSURE CASE THAT I HAVE GOING FOR THIS SAME PROPERTY BECAUSE THIS COMPANY IS CLOSED, THE ABILITY TO ACTUALLY BRING AN INCOME IS STOPPED.
SO I ALSO HAVE THAT, THAT I'M BATTLING ALONG WITH THIS PLUS AN APPEAL FOR NOVEMBER.
WHEN WAS THE, SO I'VE BEEN A LITTLE BIT BUSY.
WHEN WAS THE BUSINESS CLOSED? UH, THE BUSINESS WAS CLOSED ABOUT MID APRIL, BEGINNING OF APRIL AND MADE FULLY OFFICIAL ON SUNBIZ ON THE 30TH OF APRIL BECAUSE THAT WAS THE DAY THAT YOU HAD TO THE LAST DAY TO FILE, UM, TO FILE YOUR, YOUR DOCUMENTS TO, TO GO FOR THE NEXT YEAR.
SO I WAITED UNTIL THE VERY LAST DAY JUST IN THE FACT THAT THERE COULD HAVE BEEN SOME PARTICULAR MIRACLE THAT THINGS COULD HAVE GONE DIFFERENTLY.
I WAITED TILL THE LAST DAY TO FILE OFFICIALLY WITH SUNBIZ.
WHEN WAS THE LAST DAY THAT YOU USED THIS BOUNCE HOUSE FOR, NOT FOR YOU OR YOURSELF, BUT FOR SOMEBODY ELSE, MEANING YOU LET SOMEBODY ELSE USE THIS? OUR LAST APPOINTMENT NINE MONTHS AGO FROM THAT ONE? YEAH.
FOR, FOR ANYONE? ANYONE? ANYONE.
YOU JUST SAID YOUR BUSINESS OFFICIALLY CLOSED ON APRIL THE 30TH, JUST MEETING THE TIMELINE FOR FAILURE TO PAY THE PENALTY FOR NOT RENEWING.
YOU JUST SAID YOU CLOSED YOUR BUSINESS OFFICIALLY, OFFICIALLY APRIL THE 30TH.
OFFICIALLY, THE WEBSITE WAS SHUT DOWN FIRST UP UNTIL APRIL 30TH.
YOU WERE, YOU WERE CONDUCTING BUSINESS BECAUSE WE WERE NOT TAKING NEW CLIENTS IN.
WE WERE NOT ACCEPT YOU HAD A BUSINESS, YOU HAD THE EQUIPMENT, YOU WERE STILL IN BUSINESS AND YOU WERE ALL THE WAY UP UNTIL APRIL THE 30TH, YOUR WORDS AND TESTIMONY.
NO, THAT'S NOT EXACTLY WHAT I'M SAYING AT ALL, SIR.
SAYING THIS OFFICIALLY CLOSED APRIL THE 30TH.
THESE VIOLATIONS ARE PREVIOUS TO THAT.
WHEN WAS THE LAST APPOINTMENT? OUR LAST APPOINTMENT, I BELIEVE WAS THE END OF MARCH, MAYBE THE FIRST WEEKEND IN APRIL WHEN WE WERE WORKING ON THESE.
AND AS I HAD EMAILED RALPH, AND, AND YOU CAN SEE IN, IN THE THE CASE FILE, WE WERE SETTING THINGS UP AND GETTING THINGS CLEANED BECAUSE WE WERE SELLING THEM.
I EVEN HAVE THE LISTINGS BETWEEN MARKETPLACE AND BETWEEN SEVERAL DIFFERENT GROUPS, UM, FOR BUSINESS OPERATORS IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA BECAUSE YOU, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, A UNIT LIKE THAT, THAT'S GONNA BE ABOUT $2,500
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IF WE SELL IT.IF WE SELL IT DIRTY AND DISGUSTING THAT'S BEEN SITTING, YOU'RE MAYBE GONNA GET FIVE OR 700 BUCKS.
AND FOR A COUPLE THAT'S GOING THROUGH FORECLOSURE AND GOING THROUGH ALL OF THIS, WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE MOST VALUE OUT OF THE UNITS THAT WE HAD TO TRY TO HAVE SOME KIND OF A CUSHION.
SO I'M NOT GONNA GO AND SELL SOMETHING FOR 500 BUCKS THAT'S DIRTY AND DISGUSTING WHEN I HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO BETWEEN 2020 $500.
THAT'S A HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN COVERING BILLS AND FEEDING MY SON.
DO YOU AGREE THAT CLOSING UP A BUSINESS OR WINDING DOWN A BUSINESS IS STILL BUSINESS ACTIVITIES NOT IN CORRELATION TO GOING OUT AND DOING FOR CLIENTS.
DO YOU AGREE THAT THAT IS STILL WORK THAT YOU ARE DOING ON BEHALF OF THE BUSINESS BY WINDING IT DOWN, NOT NECESSARILY ON BEHALF OF THE BUSINESS.
YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT CLOSING DOWN THE BUSINESS, CLOSING DOWN THE ACCOUNTS, TAKING CARE OF THE PROPERTY OF THE BUSINESS IS PART OF BUSINESS ACTIVITIES? IT COULD BE LOOKED AT THAT WAY, BUT IF THE COMPANY IS CLOSED THAT THAT'S, I THAT'S AN INDIVIDUAL GOING THROUGH, I'M NOT ASKING ABOUT CONDITIONS ABOUT IT BEING CLOSED.
I'M ASKING ABOUT YOU WINDING IT DOWN, TAKING CARE OF THE PROPERTY THAT THE BUSINESS OWNS, IS THAT PART OF THE BUSINESS RESPONSIBILITIES? IT COULD BE, YES.
AND WOULD YOU AGREE THAT YOU JUST STATED THAT YOU WERE MAINTAINING THOSE ITEMS SO THAT YOU COULD THEN SELL THOSE PROPERTY THAT I THOSE ITEMS CORRECT.
WASHING IT TO BE ABLE TO SELL IT? YES.
THE SAME AS YOU WOULD DO WITH YOUR CAR BEFORE YOU BROUGHT IT INTO THE DEALERSHIP? CORRECT.
YOU'RE GONNA CLEAN IT OUT AND VACUUM IT.
SO BEFORE YOU BRING IT TO A DEALERSHIP, I, I AGREE 100%.
NOW THE QUESTION IS WAS IS THE, THE BUSINESS, WAS IT AN LLC? WHAT WAS IT? IT WAS AN LLC.
SO THAT PROPERTY, WHEN YOU SOLD THAT PROPERTY, YOU COULD NOT JUST POCKET THAT MONEY BECAUSE THAT WAS THE NOT SURE MONEY DIRECTLY THAT WAS THE LLCS PROPERTY.
SOME OF IT WAS PROPERTY OF THE LLC, SOME OF IT WE DID OWN PRIOR TO CREATING THE LLC.
SO THAT WAS PERSONAL PROPERTY, WHICH WE STILL HAVE I THINK LIKE TWO UNITS THAT ARE PERSONAL PROPERTY THAT DID NOT BELONG TO THE LLC.
AND SO WHEN YOU SELL THAT, THOSE, THOSE ITEMS, THAT MONEY THEN IS NOT SOLD BY YOU AS AN INDIVIDUAL, IT'S SOLD BY THE LLC, CORRECT? THE ONES THAT WERE OWNED BY IT? YES.
AND I HAVE TO MAKE SURE I HAVE ALL THE DIFFERENT RECORDS FOR TAX SEASON FOR NEXT YEAR.
AND SO THAT WOULD BE ACTIVITY OF THE BUSINESS AND SELLING THOSE ITEMS, CORRECT.
FOR THE ONES OWNED BY THE ACT, BY THE BUSINESS? YES.
AND THAT ALSO MEANS THAT THE ACTIVITY OF CLEANING THEM WAS AN ACT OF MAINTAINING THE PROPERTY OWNED BY THE BUSINESS.
I, BUT THAT'S NOT THE QUESTION HERE.
OUTDOOR STORAGE IS THE QUESTION, AND I'M STILL NOT GIVEN A TIMEFRAME.
LUCIE, THEY HAVE CREATED VIDEOS ABOUT OUTDOOR STORAGE AND BASICALLY THEY STATE IF YOU HAVE IT IN, AT THE END OF THE DAY WHEN YOU'RE DONE USING IT, IT'S NOT, YOU ARE CLEARLY AVOIDING ANY CODE ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS.
SO WE'RE STILL NOT, NOT LOOKING AT THE OUTDOOR STORAGE.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE BEING ACCUSED OF.
WE'RE NOT, THESE UNITS ARE STORED ROLLED UP IN THE GARAGE, WHICH WE HAD A BT R FOR.
I HAVE A COMMENT ON YOUR LAST THING.
HAVE YOU EVER HEARD THE EXPRESSION CRADLE TO GRAVE WITH REGARD TO A BUSINESS? NO.
IT'S WHAT YOU DO WITH THE PROPERTY THAT THE BUSINESS HAD IN ORDER TO GET RID OF IT.
YOU WERE IN THE SALVAGE PHASE, YOU WERE IN THE GRAVE PHASE.
NOW IT'S PART OF A BUSINESS, WHICH I JUST AGREED TO.
OKAY, WELL WE'RE TALKING, SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS THE BUSINESS AND UNDERSTANDABLE.
AND I'M CURRENTLY LOOKING AT, 'CAUSE I HAVE THAT, THE NOTICE OF HEARING IN FRONT OF ME WITH THE A, B, AND C POINTS OF WHICH ARE COMING AS THE CODE VIOLATIONS.
SO DO WE NOW STILL NEED TO SPEAK, HAVE THE OTHER WITNESSES SPEAK TO THEIR PHOTOS OR, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY ONE THING.
YOU DID SAY THAT YOU WERE WORKING ON THOSE ITEMS IN THAT IN ONE, AT LEAST ONE OF THESE PHOTOGRAPHS, CORRECT? I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ACTUALLY PICTURED.
THERE WAS ONE THAT WE WERE CLEANING.
THESE TWO IN PARTICULAR, WHEN THESE TWO WERE UP, THESE WERE PERSONAL USE THAT WAS NOT CLEANING, THAT WAS NOT GOING FOR ANY KIND OF APPOINTMENT.
THAT WAS NOT BUSINESS ACTIVITY FOR THIS IN PARTICULAR WAS WE WERE PLAYING WITH OUR SON.
I I, AND THAT'S KIND OF WHY I WANT TO CHA CHIME IN HERE.
I DON'T WANT TO GET IN THE WEEDS WHETHER THERE'S A BUSINESS HERE OR NOT A BUSINESS HERE.
'CAUSE IN THE BIG SCHEME OF THINGS, EVEN IF THERE'S NOT A BUSINESS, THE ACTIVITY THEY HAVE HERE IS NOT TYPICAL RESIDENTIAL PRO UH, UH, ACTIVITY.
YEAH, YOU HAVE A, A COMPANY COME IN, YOU PUT UP YOUR BOUNCE HOUSE FOR A PARTY.
BUT FOR SEVERAL DAYS ON EVERY, I DON'T WANT THEM COMING BACK HERE SAYING, WELL, I DON'T HAVE A BUSINESS NOW, BUT
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I HAVE A, A BOUNCE HOUSE THIS HUGE IN MY FRONT YARD EVERY WEEKEND OR EVERY DAY.NOW THAT, THAT'S WHY WE PUT A HERE FOR DISTRICT VIOLATIONS.
THIS IS NOT YOUR TYPICAL RESIDENTIAL ACTIVITY.
THERE IS CERTAIN AMOUNT OF, UM, REASONABILITY, UH, WHAT'S THE, UH, FREQUENCY, HOW FREQUENT IS IT? UH, THOSE TYPE OF ISSUES ALL COME INTO PLAY.
SO THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE A BUSINESS OR DON'T HAVE A BUSINESS IS ONLY ONE PART OF THE BIG OF THIS CASE.
EVEN IF THEY HAVE NO BUSINESS.
THIS PARTICULAR ACTIVITY, AS FREQUENT AS THEY DO IT, IS AGAINST CODE.
AND THAT'S A FOR ZONING DISTRICT.
UH, TO ADD TO THAT, THIS IS SIX MONTHS WORTH OF EVIDENCE AND LESS THAN EIGHT HOURS OF UNITS BEING SET UP.
SO THAT'S LESS THAN ONE RENTAL THAT WE WOULD DO FOR 24 TO 48 HOURS.
SO ONCE AGAIN, WE ARE BEING TREATED DIFFERENTLY THAN ANY OTHER RESIDENTS IN THE CITY OF MELBOURNE.
AND THERE ARE COMPANIES, YOU CAN LOOK AT ANY OF THE, OUR PREVIOUS COMPETITOR COMPANIES, FOR EXAMPLE, KING'S PARTY RENTAL, THEY OFFER FRIDAY THROUGH MONDAY.
THAT'S THEIR RENTAL IS FRIDAY THROUGH MONDAY.
THERE'S OTHER COMPANIES THAT OFFER THAT.
SO THERE ARE INDIVIDUALS WHO WILL HAVE A UNIT MORE THAN A DAY, NOT JUST US PRIVATE RESIDENCES.
THAT WILL, AGAIN, AGAIN, INTENSITY AND FREQUENCY.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE FOUR DAYS AT THE SAME PROPERTY EVERY MONTH.
EVERY MONTH, RIGHT? WELL, I MEAN, TECHNICALLY SPEAKING THEY COULD DO THAT IF THEY WANTED TO, IF THEY WERE PAYING WHATEVER COMPANY YOU CAN.
ARE THERE RULES PROHIBIT ARE THERE TO STOP THEM? YES.
WHERE WHEN WE GET TO THOSE CASES, WE'LL LET YOU KNOW.
SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA STATE THE RULES.
SO LET'S, THE RULE IS YOU'RE IN A ZONING, RESIDENTIAL, THE ACTIVITY YOU HAVE HERE GOING ON, THE FREQUENCY AND INTENSITY OF IT IS OUTSIDE THE ZONING DISTRICT.
WELL, YOU CANNOT DO THAT HERE.
WHAT, WHAT IS THE QUESTION? GIMME CLARITY ON FREQUENCY AND INTENSITY.
WHAT WOULD BE IN THAN EIGHT HOURS IN SIX MONTHS? HERE, HERE WE, WE HAVE, WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF CASES.
HAVE QUESTIONS? YOU CAN ASK THE QUESTIONS OF THE CODE BOARD TOMORROW.
YOU CAN ASK, ASK THE CODE OF NO, I, I AM SHUT DOWN EVERY TIME.
I'M SURE YOU'RE GONNA ROLL THROUGH THE CASES I EXPECT TO PROCESS.
SO I'M GONNA LET MY WIFE TAKE IT FROM HERE.
WE HAVE A NUMBER OF OTHER QUESTIONS.
OH, SO WE NEED TO STAY HERE ON TRACK.
MY QUESTION IS, DO THESE GENTLEMEN NEED TO CONTINUE WITH THEIR VERIFICATION? RICHARD STATE? RICHARD, DID YOU TESTIFY TO YOUR PHOTOS? SURE.
DID YOU ALREADY TESTIFY? NO, I HAVE NOT.
ALRIGHT, SO MR, LET'S GO TO THE BEGINNING, MR. MILLARD.
IS THIS THE BEGINNING? I GUESS IT IS, YES.
MR. MILLARD, I SEE THAT YOU HAVE TWO PHOTOGRAPHS HERE.
YOU HAVE A PHOTOGRAPH FOR APRIL 10TH AND A PHOTOGRAPH FOR APRIL 11TH.
WHAT CAN YOU TELL THE BOARD ABOUT THESE PHOTOGRAPHS? UM, DON'T REMEMBER WHICH DAY OF THE WEEK IT WAS, BUT GENERALLY IF I'M WALKING MY DOGS AND THEY'RE UP, I'LL COME BACK OUT OF THE HOUSE WITH MY PHONE AND TAKE PICTURES OR IF I'M DRIVING BY.
UH, BUT THOSE LOOK LIKE A, YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS WALKING, I CAME BACK 'CAUSE I LIVE KINDA OUT OF THE SCREEN, BUT I WALKED BACK AND TOOK THOSE PICTURES.
THERE WAS NOBODY THERE, THERE WAS NOTHING GOING ON.
DO YOU RECALL IF, UM, YOU SAW ANYBODY PLAYING ON THEM AT THAT TIME WHEN YOU WERE I DEFINITELY DID NOT SEE ANYBODY PLAYING.
DO YOU RECALL HOW LONG THE BOUNCE HOUSE WAS UP THAT I DO NOT, BECAUSE AGAIN, I, I TE YOU KNOW, I'M NOT HERE TO STALK THEM OR PURSUE IT, BUT IT SHOULDN'T BE THERE.
SO I, I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW LONG IT WAS UP.
UM, BUT FROM THE TIME I FIRST SAW THEM WITH MY DOG TILL THE TIME I WENT BACK AT LEAST 15, 20 MINUTES.
I KNOW IT'S NOT LONG, BUT I BELIEVE IT WOULD'VE BEEN UP LONGER THAN THAT.
AND THEN IT LOOKS LIKE YOU TOOK IT BACK TO BACK ON TWO DIFFERENT DAYS, UM, ON THE 10TH AND THEN ON THE 11TH.
WAS THAT THE, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S THE SAME BOUNCE HOUSE, IS THAT CORRECT? IT DOES LOOK THE, THE SAME.
UM, ON THE SECOND DAY THAT YOU OBSERVED IT, DID YOU OBSERVE ANYBODY PLAYING ON THE BOUNCE HOUSE? NO, NOBODY WAS ON.
DO YOU RECALL APPROXIMATELY HOW I, DO YOU RECALL APPROXIMATELY HOW LONG THE, UH, THE BOUNCE HOUSE WAS UP ON THE SECOND DATE? I COULDN'T TELL YOU THE ENTIRETY, BUT YOU KNOW, I COULD HAVE ONLY WITNESSED ABOUT 15 MINUTES OF IT BEING UP.
ALRIGHT, WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
UH, THIS LOOKS LIKE IT IS APRIL 23RD, UM, THAT YOU TOOK THIS PHOTOGRAPH.
WHAT CAN YOU TELL THE BOARD ABOUT THIS DATE? UH, SAME STORY.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF I'M OUT WALKING, UM, I DON'T GENERALLY KEEP MY CAMERA, MY PHONE WITH ME.
I DON'T LIKE TO, SO I'LL GO BACK TO THE HOUSE AND GET THE CAMERA AND TAKE A PICTURE.
I'M NOT TRYING TO, I'M NOT STALKING OR HUNTING YOU, BUT WHEN IT'S THERE, IT'S, IT CAN'T BE MISSED.
UM, DO YOU RECALL IF YOU SAW ANYBODY PLAYING ON THE BOUNCE
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HOUSE ON THAT DATE? I, I RECALL SEEING NOBODY PLAYING ON THE BOUNCE HOUSE.WHEN, UH, DO YOU RECALL HOW LONG THAT WAS UP AGAIN? IT WOULD BEEN FOR ME A SHORT, A SHORT WINDOW OF TIME.
15 MINUTES, 20 MINUTES AT THE MOST.
UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. MILLARD? NO.
AND FINALLY, MR. UH, CAN I, CAN I SAY ONE THING? SURE.
UM, I WAS OUT OF THE COUNTRY AND THAT PICTURE OF THE REDDIT SITUATION WAS SENT TO ME BY MY SON AND DAUGHTER-IN-LAW.
I DON'T KNOW IF I SENT THAT TO TONY, BUT I'M NOT STALKING YOU, BUT MY, MY KIDS ARE YOUNGER.
AND THAT CAME TO ME WHILE I WAS OUT OF THE COUNTRY.
THEY'RE NOT STALKING YOU, THEY HAVE NOTHING AGAINST YOU.
THEY SAID, HEY, DID YOU KNOW THIS WAS GOING ON IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD? I WAS OUT OF THE COUNTRY.
SO, I MEAN, THAT COULD HAVE BEEN WHERE TONY GOT IT FROM.
I SAW IT AND I, I WAS JUST OUT OF THE COUNTRY, SO I DIDN'T FORWARD IT TO RALPH, BUT IT COULD HAVE EMANATED FROM ME.
BUT IT STARTED WITH MY SON AND DAUGHTER-IN-LAW.
UH, LET'S GO THROUGH, DID YOU HAVE ANY, HE DIDN'T HAVE ANY PHOTOS.
HE HAD SENT SOME PHOTOS, BUT THEY WERE LIKE DUPLICATES AND I DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, MAKE, I CONDENSED IT DOWN TO THESE FOUR DATES AND, UH, WITH THESE TWO, UM, RESIDENTS RATHER THAN INVOLVING ANOTHER RESIDENT WITH, UM, DUPLICATE PHOTOS BASICALLY.
SAVE AS MUCH TIME FOR THE BOARD AS POSSIBLE.
BEFORE WE GO ON, I'M GONNA GIVE YOU BOTH AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS.
MARCO WILL HELP YOU WITH THAT.
DO EITHER OF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. MILLARD? UH, MR. MILLARD? NO.
UM, RALPH, I I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.
UM, DO WE, WE TESTIMONY OUTSIDE ONE MORE.
OH, MR. GAS, DID YOU HAVE ANY TESTIMONY OUTSIDE OF YOUR PHOTOGRAPHS? UM, NO, I DID NOT.
UM, RALPH, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU RELATED TO, UM, VIOLATION B THAT IS, THE HOME BUSINESS MUST HAVE A BUSINESS TAX RECEIPT AND SHALL IT ADHERE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS OF THIS CODE AS WELL AS CITY REQUIRED DEVELOPMENT AND USE STANDARDS REFERENCE, AND THEN GIVES THE CITATION FOR THAT.
WHAT CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT THAT VIOLATION? IT SAYS SPECIFICALLY THAT BOUNCED RENTAL BUSINESS IS NOT OPERATING WITHIN RESTRICTIONS FOR A HOME-BASED BUSINESS.
DO NOT HAVE ANY BUSINESS RELATED ITEMS, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, INFLATED OR DEFLATED INFLATABLES, GENERATOR PRESSURE WASHER, DOLLIES, OR TARPS OUTSIDE THE TRAILER NEEDS PARKED IN THE GARAGE OR BEHIND THE FENCE.
WHAT CAN YOU TELL THE BOARD ABOUT THAT VIOLATION? SO, YOU KNOW, AS YOUR BOARD'S AWARE, UH, YOU CAN HAVE A, A BUSINESS TAX RECEIPT, YOU CAN OPERATE A BUSINESS FROM YOUR HOME, BUT IT, IT CAN'T LOOK LIKE ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAN A RESIDENTIAL HOME.
IN FACT, UH, WHEN THEY'RE, UH, OPERATING PROPERTY, THEY ARE ABLE TO KEEP THEIR UTILITY TRAILER AND THEIR IN THEIR SIDE BACKYARD, UM, BEHIND THE FENCE.
AND THEY'RE ABLE TO KEEP THEIR, UH, BOUNCE HOUSE EQUIPMENT IN THEIR GARAGE.
AND, AND AGAIN, AS THEY'RE OPERATING A BUSINESS, THERE'S GONNA BE TIMES WHEN IT MIGHT BE TO THE NEIGHBOR'S CHAGRIN THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO BACK THAT TRAILER UP BY THE, UH, GARAGE AND UNLOAD THAT BOUNCE HOUSE EQUIPMENT AND, AND TAKE IT TO THE PARK OR TAKE IT TO SOMEONE'S HOUSE AS A RENTAL.
THAT'S COMPLETELY APPROPRIATE.
AND THIS, WHEN THEY'RE BRINGING IT BACK TO THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, PUTTING IT UP AND CLEANING IT.
UM, AND THAT'S OUTSIDE THE, UM, THE, UM, BUSINESS TAX RECEIPT, UM, RESTRICTIONS.
AND THEY DO HAVE A BUSINESS TAX RECEIVED FOR THIS PROPERTY AT THIS LOCATION.
YES, IT'S VALID UNTIL END OF SEPTEMBER.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR INSPECTOR KELLER? UM, I DO.
UM, WE CAN GO WITH, UH, B, WHICH YOU WERE JUST SPEAKING ABOUT IN REGARDS TO THE CITY CODE.
NOW, COULD YOU SPEAK IN THE MICROPHONE PLEASE? OH, SORRY.
UH, NOW WITH B, YOU'RE ON HERE WITH THE HOME BUSINESS RESTRICTIONS.
YOU HAVE PART THREE, APPENDIX B ARTICLES SEVEN SECTION TWO E, AND THEN ALSO 54 DASH 2 0 1 THROUGH 2 0 7.
RIGHT? SO WHEN WE'RE GETTING INTO ARTICLE SEVEN, SECTION TWO E, WE HAVE IT HERE WHERE IT'S TALKING ABOUT YOUR HOME BASE BUSINESSES AND YOUR PERFORMANCE STANDARDS.
HOME HOMEBASED BUSINESS SHALL BE LOCATED ON A PROPERTY THAT IS DEVELOPED WITH A RESIDENTIAL DWELLING BUSINESS.
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ACTIVITY SHALL BE CLEARLY SECONDARY AND ACCESSORY TO THE PROPERTY'S USE AS A RESIDENTIAL DWELLING BASED ON THE TIME THAT ACTUAL BUSINESS ACTIVITIES ARE CONDUCTED VERSUS THE TIME WHERE IT'S JUST OUR HOUSE.THE TIME WHERE IT'S JUST OUR HOUSE IS SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER.
WHEN YOU COME DOWN TO WHERE IT IS ON PART H VIEWED FROM THE STREET, THE USE OF THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY FOR THE HOME-BASED BUSINESS SHALL BE CONSISTENT WITH THE USES OF THE RESIDENTIAL AREA THAT'S AROUND THE PROPERTY.
THERE SHALL BE NO DISPLAY OF GOODS VISIBLE FROM THE STREET, SIDE, YARD, REAR YARD, OR ANY HOME-BASED BUSINESS.
NOW, THIS IS DISPLAY OF GOODS.
TO ME, THE INTERPRETATION, A DISPLAY OF GOODS IS THE SAME WAY THAT YOU WOULD HAVE SOMETHING IN A STORE.
THERE IS A DISPLAY, COME LOOK AT MY WARES.
THIS IS WHAT I HAVE FOR YOU TO PURCHASE, RENT, WHATEVER THAT IS A DISPLAY OF GOODS.
THAT IS NOT WHAT IS GOING ON HERE.
WE DO NOT HAVE A DISPLAY OF GOODS.
NOW, WHEN ALSO IN PART TWO FOR THE APPLICATION, I HAD TO GO AHEAD AND DESCRIBE, MAKE A DESCRIPTION OF THE EXACT NATURE OF THE HOME-BASED BUSINESS, INCLUDING LOCATION OF ALL BUSINESS ACTIVITIES, STORAGE OF PRODUCTS AND SUPPLIES.
THAT IS ON MY BTR APPLICATION.
I WAS TRUTHFUL AND SAID EXACTLY WHAT I'VE BEEN TELLING YOU HERE.
NOW ALSO, PART OF YOUR CITY CODE THAT YOU ALSO HAVE IS 54 DASH 2 0 1 THROUGH 2 0 7.
NOW, WHEN WE GET TO THAT PORTION, HOMEBASED BUSINESS MEANS SPECIFIC BUSINESS CONDUCTED ENTIRELY WITHIN THE DWELLING AND CARRIED ON BY THE OCCUPANT THEREOF, WHICH THE OCCUPATION IS CLEARLY INCIDENTAL AND SECONDARY TO THE USE OF THE DWELLING FOR DWELLING PURPOSES DOES NOT CHANGE THE RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER THEREOF.
AND MEETS CRITERIA SET FORTH IN APPENDIX B, ARTICLE, UH, SEVEN, SECTION TWO E, WHICH I JUST READ, AND ALSO THE FLORIDA STATUTES 5 59 SPOT 9 55.
NOW IT'S SAYING INCIDENTAL AND SECONDARY TO THE USE OF THE DWELLING.
THE USE OF THE DWELLING AS A DWELLING IS THE PRIMARY USE.
IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WE HAVE EVER HAD IN THE HISTORY THAT WE HAVE BEEN IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS.
IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN A HOUSE MORE THAN IT HAS EVER BEEN WITH ANY PICTURES, ANY, ANYTHING, WHEN YOU'RE REFERENCING THE FLORIDA STATUTES THAT IT GOES ALONG WITH IT.
5, 5 9 SPOT, 9 55 FLORIDA STATE SENATE.
WE HAVE THE HOME BASE, HOME BASED BUSINESS, LOCAL GOVERNMENT RESTRICTIONS, HOME-BASED BUSINESS OPERATES IN RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY AS PROVIDED IN SUBSECTION THREE, MAY OPERATE IN AN AREA ZONE FOR RESIDE RESIDENTIAL USE MAY NOT BE PROHIBITED, RESTRICTED, REGULATED, OR LICENSED IN A MANNER DIFFERENT FROM OTHER BUSINESSES IN A LOCAL GOVERNMENT'S JURISDICTION.
OTHER BUSINESSES ARE ABLE TO DO THE SAME THING.
WE ALSO HAVE, FOR PURPOSES OF THIS SECTION, A BUSINESS CONSIDERED A HOME-BASED BUSINESS.
IF IT OPERATES IN WHOLE OR PART FROM A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY MEETING, THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA, EMPLOYEES OF THE BUSINESS WHO WORK AT THE RESIDENTIAL DWELLING MUST ALSO RESIDE IN THE RESIDENTIAL DWELLING ING.
PARKING RELATED TO BUSINESS ACTIVITIES MUST COMPLY WITH LOCAL ZONING REQUIREMENTS.
THE BUSINESS MAY NOT BE GREATER IN VOLUME THEN NORMALLY EXPECTED.
WE HAVE NO CUSTOMERS EVER COMING TO OUR HOME.
LOCAL GOVERNMENTS MAY REGULATE THE PARKING AND STORAGE OF HEAVY EQUIPMENT AT THE BUSINESS.
FOR PURPOSES OF THE PARAGRAPH, THE TERM HEAVY EQUIPMENT IS COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL AND AGRICULTURAL VEHICLES, EQUIPMENT AND MACHINERY.
THAT'S NOT A BOUNCE HOUSE FOR INCIDENTAL VIEWED FROM THE STREET.
THE USE OF THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY CONSISTENT WITH THE USES OF RESIDENTIAL AREAS SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY.
THREE HOUSES DOWN, THEY'VE HAD A BOUNCE HOUSE BEFORE.
HOWEVER, INCIDENTAL BUSINESS USES AND ACTIVITIES MAY BE CONDUCTED AT THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
INCIDENTAL RANDOMLY NEEDING TO CLEAN SOMETHING INCIDENTAL TO A BUSINESS.
IT IS NOT CONSISTENT DAILY, WEEKLY, MONTHLY USE.
YOU'VE BEEN SEEING US SINCE JANUARY OF THIS PAST YEAR.
THE HANDFULS OF PHOTOGRAPHS THAT Y'ALL HAVE SEEN, THAT IS NOW JUNE.
WE'RE LOOKING AT A YEAR AND A HALF.
HOW MANY PICTURES HAVE YOU SEEN IN THIS YEAR AND A HALF? THAT DOESN'T EVEN FILL UP ONE MONTH AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT 18 MONTHS, YOU HAVE LESS THAN 30 DAYS WORTH IN 18 MONTHS.
DO, DO YOU CLEAN THIS EQUIPMENT IN YOUR YARD? WE DID, YES.
DO YOU USE CHEMICALS, SOAP, DETERGENTS, WOMEN
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DOWN THAT ROAD? I, I KNOW, BUT IT NOTHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU USED TO WASH YOUR CAR.SO MY QUESTION TO YOU, ARE WE CONSIDERING THESE A SINGLE VIOLATION? ARE WE CONSIDERING THESE AS MULTIPLE VIOLATIONS? THE CITY'S GOOD RECOMMENDATION WAS GOING TO BE TO FIND 500, UH, DOLLARS PER INCIDENT, UH, OF, OF THE FOUR DAYS OF A TOTAL OF, OF $2,000.
AND IF, UH, I, I'M NOT SURE IF ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS WERE HERE.
I CAN, UH, I I, I QUICKLY GO OVER THE, THE HISTORY OF THE, OF, OF THE REPEAT CASES.
THIS IS, UM, THERE HAS BEEN, UH, THREE OTHER CASES PRIOR, UM, TO THIS.
UH, AND ONCE ORIGINALLY, OF COURSE, THEY WEREN'T FINED.
UM, BUT THEN THEY HAVE BEEN FINED LAST COUPLE TIMES AND THEY CONTINUE, UM, TO DO THIS, TO TRY TO PUSH THE ENVELOPE.
UH, UH, I SEEN FROM THE STREET, UH, INCIDENTAL, I BELIEVE SHE'S READ OFF THOSE, UM, RESTRICTIONS AND IS IN VIOLATION OF THOSE RESTRICTIONS.
SO IT'S GONNA BE FOUR VIOLATIONS THEN? NO, IT'S, IT'S GONNA, UM, IT'S GONNA BE MOTION NUMBER EIGHT IF THAT'S OF ANY HELP.
UM, BUT BEFORE WE GET THERE, LET ME TESTIFY THAT THE, UH, THE NOTICE OF HEARING WAS SENT ON APRIL 23RD, 2026, UH, FOR THIS HEARING AND, AND EMAILED TO, UH, MS. COUNTRYMAN.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE BOARD? ONE, ONE QUESTION.
UM, SO YOUR BUSINESS IS OUT OF BUSINESS NOW, CORRECT? SO THERE'LL BE NO MORE COMING BEFORE US AGAIN.
IT'S ETERNAL COMPLIANCE AT THIS POINT.
IF WE HAVE ANYTHING AT, AT OUR HOME GOING FORWARD, IT'S BECAUSE MY KID'S BIRTHDAY IS IN JULY.
WE NORMAL PEOPLE AT THIS POINT.
YOU HAVE NO MORE INVENTORY BOUNCE HOUSES OR ANYTHING? WE HAVE OUR PERSONAL THAT WE HAD PRIOR TO, WHICH I THINK IS TWO DIFFERENT UNITS AND THAT'S IT.
EVERYTHING ELSE HAS BEEN SOLD.
WELL, YOU WON'T HAVE THAT UP IN YOUR FRONT YARD.
SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS BASED ON THAT QUESTION.
NO, I'M JUST ASKING QUESTIONS.
SO DOES THAT IT FOR CLARIFICATION ON YOURS BEFORE I ANSWER, DOES THAT MEAN THAT MY SON CAN NEVER, EVER PLAY ON ANYTHING? YOU JUST ASK A QUESTION IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE IT BACK UP IN YOUR FRONT YARD, THAT'S A YES.
I WOULD LIKE TO AT LEAST, I WOULD LIKE TO, YES.
ONCE IN A BLUE SO MY SON CAN ACTUALLY PLAY ON IT.
IF THEY HAVE A PERSONAL INFLATABLE AND THEY PUT IT IN THEIR YARD FOR THEIR OWN PERSONAL USE, UH, HOW LONG CAN THEY HAVE THAT UP? AND THEN CAN THEY HAVE THAT UP AT THEIR HOUSE IF IT'S NOT A BUSINESS? SO IF I CAN, AGAIN, ANSWER THAT QUESTION AND, AND IT'S INTENSITY AND FREQUENCY, SO WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL WE ACTUALLY GET A CASE AND WE START MONITORING, IS IT ONE TIME FOR A BIRTHDAY PARTY IN JULY? IS IT THE FOLLOWING WEEKEND AFTER THAT, AND THEN THE FOLLOWING WEEKEND AFTER THAT? OR IS IT SIX MONTHS LATER? SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF FACTORS THAT GO INTO THESE KIND OF SITUATIONS THAT YOU JUST CAN'T COME OUT WITH A BLANKET NUMBER OR A TIME PERIOD.
AND I DON'T BELIEVE THE NEIGHBORS WOULD BE, UM, TAKING PICTURES AND, AND, AND EMAILING THE PHOTOS TO ME IF THEY HAD A, A BIRTHDAY PARTY AND PE AND, AND CHILDREN WERE ACTUALLY PLAYING ON IT, AND IT WAS ONLY UP FOR THE BIRTHDAY PARTY OR, AND, AND, AND I, THE NEIGHBORS IN MY ESTIMATION ARE NOT BEING UNREASONABLE.
UM, AND AGAIN, UH, WHEN YOU HAVE THESE TYPE OF SITUATIONS, AGAIN, I JUST, AGAIN, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.
IF, IF YOU STILL HAVE, AND YOU STILL USE IN YOUR FRONT YARD, LIKE THEY'RE SAYING, YOU KNOW, ONCE IN A WHILE, YOU KNOW, HAVE PEOPLE ON IT TYPE THING, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU DEFLATE IT, CLEAN IT AND DEFLATE IT.
BUT, BUT THE QUESTION IS, IF I MIGHT BOARD IS, IS IS IT UP, UH, SO THAT THEY CAN CLEAN IT AND SELL IT, CLEAN IT AND REUSE IT? OR, OR IS IT FOR A BIRTHDAY PARTY? OR IS IT JUST TO PUSH THE ENVELOPE TO ANNOY THE NEIGHBORS? EACH SITUATION HAS TO BE INVESTIGATED.
AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHY YOU CAN'T NAIL DOWN, UH, YOU KNOW, SPECIFIC TIMEFRAMES BECAUSE CONDITIONS.
AND THAT'S BEEN AN ISSUE THE ENTIRE TIME.
I JUST WANNA STATE THAT WE HAVE NEVER BEEN GIVEN ANY CLEAR GUIDANCE.
CODE ENFORCEMENT IS, UH, SUPPOSED TO GIVE CLEAR RULES AND CLEAR GUIDANCE SO WE CAN'T COMPLY.
EVERYTHING ELSE WE DID COMPLY ON, WE WERE TOLD THE TRAILER NEEDED TO BE IN THE BACKYARD.
WE WERE TOLD THE EQUIPMENT NEEDED TO BE STORED IN THE GARAGE.
WE HAVE COMPLIED WITH EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO THERE IS CASE LAW THAT TALKS ABOUT FREQUENCY, INTENSITY.
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THE BOARD, BEFORE ON, ON SITUATIONS SUCH AS, UH, RESORT DWELLINGS WHO HAVE, UH, PUT THEIR EVENT PROPERTIES, EVENT PROPERTIES.THERE'S PROPERTIES UP FOR EVENTS, RIGHT? AND THEIR CLAIM AS WELL AS IS NORMAL RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, BUT THEY'RE HAVING A WEDDING EVERY WEEKEND OR A BIRTHDAY PARTY EVERY WEEKEND.
SO THERE IS CASE LAW THAT TALKS ABOUT FREQUENCY AND INTENSITY OF THESE TYPE OF VIOLATIONS.
'CAUSE YOU CAN'T NARROW IT DOWN TO ONE INCIDENT.
IT'S A, IT'S A BIGGER PICTURE THAN THAT.
AND SO I CAN APPRECIATE THEY WANT A LINE DRAWN.
UM, MAY I ASK WHAT THE CASE LAW IS? BECAUSE EVERY TIME THAT WE'VE GET WITH ME TOMORROW AND I'LL SEND IT TO YOU, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT BEFORE, BEFORE THE BOARD MAKES A DECISION THAT'S NOT BEFORE THE BOARD.
SO AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE AN APPEAL IF YOU CHOOSE TO GO THAT WAY.
COMING BACK TO AN INFREQUENCY, IF YOU CAN SEE WITH THE, THE FIRST ON ON THIS CASE IS JANUARY.
I DIDN'T GET THAT EMAIL IN JANUARY OF THE PHOTO.
YOU KNOW, HE DIDN'T, THE NEIGHBORS DIDN'T, UH, IT WAS A ONE TIME THING.
BUT WHEN IT STARTED HAPPENING IN, IN APRIL, IT'S LIKE, OKAY, HERE'S SOME PHOTOS.
YOU KNOW, UH, THEY'RE BACK AT IT AGAIN.
IT ISN'T JUST, UM, THE ONE TIME THING, BUT IT WAS THREE MONTHS IN BETWEEN.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FREQUENCY.
THERE'S ONE IN JANUARY AND THEN, AND WE CAN SEE IN APRIL, AND WE CAN SEE IN APRIL 10TH, APRIL 11TH.
AND WE MET, WENT BACK TO THE FIRST SLIDE.
IT WAS LEFT UP FOR 24 HOURS AND, AND NO INDICATION OF ANY CHILDREN PLAYING ON IT.
UH, AND AGAIN, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE PLAYING ON IT IN THE DRIVEWAY.
I THINK IT WOULD'VE BEEN, OH, WE DO? YES.
I I JUST WANNA STATE THAT, UH, WHEN EVERYTHING STARTED, IT WAS CLEAR WHAT OUTDOOR STORAGE WAS.
WE CAN GO BACK TO THE INITIAL EMAILS THAT RALPH HAD, UH, BETWEEN HIMSELF AND ANTHONY.
AND WHAT WE'RE GONNA SEE IS HE IS LOOKING FOR LONG TERM BETWEEN NINE AND 5:00 PM SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE, THE IDEA OF STORAGE, THE DEFINITION CHANGED.
AND I HAVE NOT BEEN GIVEN THE NEW DEFINITION.
CAN I SAY SOMETHING? THE, THE, WELL, THE, THE PROBLEM RIGHT NOW IS, IS WORKING ON THE, WORKING ON YOUR EQUIPMENT, MAINTENANCE OF YOUR BUSINESS EQUIPMENT IN YOUR, ON YOUR PROPERTY.
STORAGE IS ONE THING, BUT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING HERE IS THE FACT THAT YOU'RE WORKING ON THE EQUIPMENT.
WELL, THAT, THAT'S ALSO, THAT'S ALSO VIOLATION NUMBER C NUISANCE OPEN EXTERIOR STORAGE PROHIBITED.
SO TECHNICALLY, YEAH, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT STORAGE AS WELL.
WOULD YOU HAVE A WATER SLIDE ON YOUR DRIVEWAY SO THAT WHEN YOU ENDED UP AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SLIDE, YOU HIT THE, THE, THE, THE PAVEMENT WITH ANY BOARD MEMBERS? I HAVE VIDEO OF BOTH MY SON AND MYSELF USING THAT SIDE THAT DAY.
UM, I'M SURE THERE'S A BUMPER AT THE END.
SO WHAT HE'S SAYING IS ACTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE.
AND, AND ONE THING THAT I, THAT I MIGHT MENTION, UH, AS FAR AS THE CLARIFICATION, WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET A, A BETTER SENSE OF CLARIFICATION SINCE JANUARY BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE IN COMPLIANCE.
DO YOU THINK WE, WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, Y'ALL MIGHT BE GREAT PEOPLE, BUT WE DON'T WANNA BE HERE.
SO IF YOU WANT, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, WE'RE NOT HERE.
WE CAN'T ANSWER YOUR WE CAN'T.
NO, I'M JUST SAYING SHE WANTS TO ASK QUESTIONS.
NO, WE'RE NOT ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT CLARIFICATION OF CODE.
THAT'S A QUESTION THAT'S A LAWYER'S QUESTION FOR TOMORROW.
WELL, NO, I'M REFERENCING CLARIFICATION THAT WE WERE GIVEN IN JANUARY BY RALPH WHEN WE DID HAVE OUR ATTORNEY WITH US IN JANUARY.
SHE ASKED SPECIFICALLY, MY CLIENT CLIENTS REQUIRE CLARIFICATION FOR THE RIGHT TO USE A PERSONAL TRAILER TO TRANSPORT BUSINESS INVENTORY LEGALLY STORED IN THE GARAGE.
PLEASE PROVIDE WRITTEN CONFIRMATION REGARDING THE PERMISSIBILITY FOR THE TRAILER USE TRANSPORT TO AND FROM GARAGE, AND A COMPREHENSIVE LIST OF SPECIFIC VIOLATIONS THAT MAY RESULT IN MONETARY PENALTIES.
RALPH'S RESPONSE TO HER, MICHELLE, THE BUSINESS TAX RECEIPT IS REQUIRED FOR CITY OF MELBOURNE.
IF THE RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO STORE THE TRAILER AND OTHER EQUIPMENT AT THE RESIDENCE, INCLUDING IN THE GARAGE, THE TRAILER NEEDS TO BE PARKED IN THE GARAGE OR BEHIND THE FENCE WHEN LOADING OR NOT LOADING, WHEN NOT LOADING OR UNLOADING THE GARAGE.
BUSINESS EQUIPMENT, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO TRAILER INFLATABLES, GENERATORS, PRESSER WASHERS STORED OUTSIDE, COULD INCUR FINDS AS A REPEAT VIOLATION.
I HAVE COPIED ASSIST ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY KELLEN SIMMONS ON THIS EMAIL WHO MAY GIVE YOU FURTHER DIRECTION.
PLEASE BE AWARE, HOA MAY HAVE STRICTER CONFIDENCE THAT DOESN'T INVOLVE THE CITY.
SO WHEN WE WERE ASKED FOR A COMPREHENSIVE LIST OF WHAT COULD GIVE US THE
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MONETARY VIOLATIONS, IT'S WHERE THE TRAILER IS STORED AND THE STORAGE OUTSIDE OF THE ITEMS COULD GIVE US A INCUR.THIS IS GUIDANCE DIRECTLY FROM RALPH.
THIS IS RALPH'S EMAIL GIVING US GUIDANCE ON WHAT WE CAN BE FINED ON.
AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE HOUSE EQUIPMENT.
MR. CHAIR, I, I GOT A MOTION THAT WE NEED.
NO, I WAS GOING TO ASK, UM, HELP WITH THE MOTION.
UM, THAT WOULD BE NUMBER EIGHT ON YOUR MOTION SHEET IF THAT'S THEIR PLEASURE.
IF THAT'S YOUR PLEASURE WITH THOSE FOUR DATES LISTED OF JANUARY 24TH, 2025, UH, APRIL 10TH OF, OF, UH, I'M SORRY, 2026.
APRIL 11TH AND 2026 AND APRIL 23RD, 2026.
IF I MAY, I JUST HAVE, IS ANYBODY SECONDING MY MOTION? NO, NO, NO.
IT HASN'T BEEN, IT HASN'T BEEN MADE.
YOU HAVE I JUST ONE MORE THING, I, ONE MORE THING JUST IN REGARDS TO WHAT ONE OF THE REPEAT VIOLATIONS IS THE DISTRICT ZONING USE FOR.
AND WHEN I REFER TO IT, IT'S SHOWING YOUR DISTRICT USAGE STANDARDS.
IF IT'S NOT ON THE LIST THAT'S IN YOUR ZONING AND NOT SPECIFICALLY LISTED, THAT IT MUST BE REVIEWED BY A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR.
AND IF WHAT YOU ARE DOING, UM, USE IT IS A PER PROHIBITED USE AND NOT ALLOWED, THEN THAT PROHIBITED USE, THAT DETERMINATION IS SUPPOSED TO BE A RECORD AND RECORD REASONS GIVEN FOR THE DECISION TO BE KEPT ON FILE TO USE AS GUIDELINES FOR SUBSEQUENT USE DETERMINATIONS.
AND I HAVE NOT HEARD OR RECEIVED ANY CORRESPONDENCE THAT A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR HAS REVIEWED THIS TO GIVE US A DETERMINATION SO THAT GOING FORWARD FOR GUIDELINES FOR SUBSEQUENT USE, IT'S THERE.
AND THIS, THIS TIES IN WITH ASKING CONSTANTLY, PLEASE GIVE US GUIDELINES, PLEASE GIVE US SOMETHING WE'RE TRYING TO COMPLY.
YOU CAN SEE PROGRESSIVELY THE STEPS WE'VE TAKEN.
YOU'VE ALREADY BEEN DOWN THIS ROAD, THE CITY SAYS YOU'RE GOING DOWN IT AGAIN.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.
WE'RE NOT DEALING WITH ALL THE OTHER STUFF THAT YOU BROUGHT UP.
NO, BUT FOR THIS IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE VIOLATION.
IF THIS IS VIOLATION AND IT HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY THE, THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR TO NOT FALL INTO THE DIFFERENT USES, WHICH WE ARE BEING ACCUSED OF.
THIS IS A, A DIRECT ACCUSATION OF A REPEAT VIOLATION.
YOU HAVE FOUR INSTANCES HERE, FOUR DIFFERENT DATES WHERE THESE BOUNCE HOUSES APPEAR.
OKAY? NOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY BIRTHDAYS A PERSON HAS A YEAR OR ANNIVERSARIES OR WHATEVER, BUT THERE'S FOUR OCCURRENCES AT HIS HOUSE AT THIS LOCATION THAT RESULTED IN THIS EQUIPMENT BEING CLEAN.
AND IT DOESN'T SMACK TO ME OF A PARTY, IT'S SMACKS OF A BUSINESS.
OKAY? BUT I, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I AM BEING MY CITY CODE VIOLATION FOR ZONING.
THIS IS IT IRRELEVANT TO HOW MANY DAYS OF PICTURES THAT YOU HAVE OR FEELINGS.
IF, IF WE ARE BEING ACCUSED OF VIOLATING THIS, THEN THIS ACTUALLY HAS TO FOLLOW THE ACTUAL CODE.
THIS, THERE OBVIOUSLY THERE IS NOTHING THAT'S GONNA SPECIFY THERE.
WE'VE TAKEN THAT YOUR TESTIMONY, WE'VE HEARD WHAT YOU'VE HAD TO SAY AND NOW IT'S, IT IS, IT IS NOW TIME TO MOVE ON.
SO AT THIS POINT IN TIME, MR. MOBA, DO YOU HAVE A, A, A MOTION FOR US? OH, THIS LADY HERE, DOES I DO THIS? SHE, SHE HAS, SHE HAS A MOTION, YES.
UH, A MOTION THAT AFTER PREVIOUS BOARD FINDINGS CITED PROPERTY AND ALL RESPONDENTS IN CE 2 0 2 6 DASH OH 2 1 1 BE FOUND IN REPEAT VIOLATIONS OF THE CITY CODES AS CITED.
AND THAT THE CITED PROPERTY OF ALL RESPONDENTS BE ASSESSED.
I FIND A $400 PER THOSE FOUR DAYS, WHICH WERE JANUARY 24TH, 2026.
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AND WHAT'S THE 23RD? APRIL 23RD.APRIL 23RD, WHICH WAS PERSONAL USE TOTALING 5,000.
IS THAT CORRECT? FOUR REPEAT VIOLATIONS OBSERVED ON THE DATES OF, OH BOY.
HOW DOES 400 GET TO 5,000? IT'S 2000.
SO HER MOTION WAS FOR 400 PER, WHICH COMES DOWN TO 1600 AND IZING THE RECORDING OF A LIEN.
SO HER MOTION WAS FOR 400 PER DAY.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT.
WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND BY MR. MOBA.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? NO OTHER DISCUSSION.
MOTION BEFORE THE BOARD? HOW DO WE VOTE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING TONIGHT.
WE APPRECIATE, HAVE A GREAT NIGHT.
NEXT ITEM IS ITEM NUMBER 19, CASE NUMBER 20 25 0 6 0 4.
PROPERTY LOCATED AT, UH, I DON'T HAVE AN ADDRESS FOR THAT LONGWOOD SUBDIVISION.
WHAT'S THE LONGWOOD SUBDIVISION? THERE'S NOT, THERE'S NO REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE LONGWOOD H AND I GUESS, ALRIGHT, SO GUESS SO IF THERE'S, NOBODY CAN GO, YOU CAN GO OVER THERE.
IF THERE'S NOBODY FROM THAT ASSOCIATION, LET'S, LET'S MOVE ON.
MA'AM, I'M GONNA HAVE YOU SIT DOWN BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA GO TO THE, WE'RE HAVE TO TAKE THEM LATER.
SHE, JUNE, ARE ARE YOU ON THE BOARD STILL? NO, NO, SHE'S NOT ON THE BOARD.
SHE, SHE'S IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND, AND AS A COMPLAINANT, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT HAS TO HAPPEN IS THE PEOPLE WHO ARE THE OWNERS OF THE SUBDIVISION OR THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE OF IT, THEY HAVE SOMETHING CALLED DUE PROCESS RIGHTS, WHICH MEANS THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE HEARD.
SINCE THEY'RE NOT HERE YET, WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD.
SO WE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE YOU SIT DOWN FOR A SECOND, THEN WE'RE GONNA GO HAVE TO GO TO THE PROPERTIES THAT HAVE ACTUAL OWNERS OR REPRESENTATIVES HERE IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT THE OWNERS OR REPRESENTATIVES IN YOUR CASE, THAT THEY HAVE EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW UP EVEN IF THEY'RE LATE.
I HAVE A SEAT IN THE FRONT ROW AND A COUPLE MORE CASES AND WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA LISTEN TO YOU.
OKAY? NEXT IS CASE NUMBER 32 OR ITEM NUMBER 32.
CASE NUMBER 2021 DASH 0 9 2 9.
PROPERTY LOCATED AT 5 9 2 MONTREAL AVE.
UM, INSPECTOR DURANT, WE ARE HERE ON YOU SWEAR ON ME.
OH, YES, I SIR, CAN YOU RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND? DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO.
WHAT IS YOUR NAME? MICHAEL COLE.
AND HOW ARE YOU ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROPERTY? I'M LIEUTENANT.
WE'RE HERE ON UNFINISHED BUSINESS.
WHAT CAN YOU TELL THE BOARD ABOUT THE PROGRESS THAT'S BEEN MADE? UH, YEAH, THIS IS, UH, A CASE THAT WAS, IS CURRENTLY RUNNING FINES.
UM, THE BUSINESS OWNER AND PROPERTY OWNER HAVE DECIDED TO THE, THE TWO MAIN BUILDINGS THAT THEY STILL HAVE THAT ARE IN, UH, IN NON-COMPLIANCE WITH THE BUILDING PERMITS, THEY DECIDED TO JUST, UM, USE THEM AS DRY STORAGE.
SO THEY JUST RECENTLY SUBMITTED, UH, UH, ANOTHER, UH, SITE PLAN TO OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, WHICH IS BEING, WHICH IS UNDER REVIEW RIGHT NOW AT THIS MOMENT? YES, SIR.
SINCE WE COULDN'T QUITE WORK OUT HOW TO MAKE THOSE BUILDINGS HAVE ENERGY CALCULATIONS AND THINGS THAT MADE SENSE, IT WAS SIMPLER TO MAKE THAT DRIVE STORAGE AND MOVE FORWARD WITH DOING SOMETHING ELSE IN THE WAY OF SERVING FOOD.
SO THE DRAWINGS HAVE BEEN RESUBMITTED WITH THE, UM, LINES BEING LOCATED FOR THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN CORRECTED SINCE THE PROJECT STARTED, YOU KNOW, WITH THE RETENTION PONDS AND SEWER LINES AND WATER AND IRRIGATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT ARE ON THE SITE PLAN TO BE INSPECTED STILL.
SO THEY'RE GONNA COME OUT AND TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE LINES.
I THINK WE HAVE A THIRD PARTY INSPECTOR THAT WE'VE BEEN MEETING WITH THAT, UH, FEELS COMFORTABLE IN DOING THE INSPECTION SO THAT WE CAN GET THIS RESOLVED PRETTY QUICK FOR YOU.
AND THEN WE'RE JUST GONNA RESUBMIT THE PERGOLA BY ITSELF.
UH, ALL THOSE PLANS HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED AND EVERYTHING.
THERE HAS BEEN, UM, UH, NOT NECESSARILY APPROVED, BUT SAID THAT THOSE PLANS ARE ALL GOOD.
WE'VE ANSWERED ALL THEIR QUESTIONS.
WE HAVE EVERYTHING IN PLACE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO STOP THE FINE AND GET
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ANY OF OUR CODE VIOLATIONS, UH, BE IT THE PIPES AND THINGS THAT WERE INSTALLED, UH, WITHOUT PERMITS AND THE BUILDINGS, UH, INSPECTED SO THAT, UH, WE HAD THE ENGINEER COME OUT AND WE'VE HAD ALL OF THE CORRECTIONS DONE THAT THE ENGINEER HAD RECOMMENDED THAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED TO.SO WE ARE NOW READY FOR THE THIRD PARTY AND THE DRAWINGS JUST GOT SUBMITTED TO STOP THE CODE VIOLATIONS BEFORE WE START ANY OTHER PROJECT.
THE, THE SLIDESHOW STAY FINE TO 7 8 26 HEARING THE FINE HAS STAYED NOW AS FAR AS, NO, THAT'S, THAT IS WHAT THE CITY'S RECOMMENDING TONIGHT AT FINE.
ANYTHING ELSE SIR? NO, THAT'S FINE.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS? SO THE CITY'S RECOMMENDATION RECOMMENDATION IS TO STATE OF FINE AT THE CURRENT AMOUNT OF $21,050 UNTIL 7 8 26 HEARING.
WILL BE MOTION NUMBER 12? YES SIR.
I MOTION, ALTHOUGH THE CI OF PROPERTY AND ALL RESPONDENTS AND CE 2021 DASH 9 2 9 REMAINS IN NON-COMPLIANCE WITH THE BOARD'S PREVIOUS ORDERS, THE FINES SHALL BE STAYED FROM ACCRUING AND REMAIN AT $21,050 UNTIL THE HEARING ON 7 6 7 8 20 26.
SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION BEFORE THE BOARD.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE VOTE? NO OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, HOW DO WE VOTE ON THE MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YAY.
THIS IS THREE TWO MONTREAL AVENUE, KATIE KAMINSKI.
UM, ITEM NUMBER 20, CASE NUMBER 2026 DASH 0 0 0 7 7 PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2,700 CROTON ROAD.
CAN YOU RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND? DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO.
WHAT'S YOUR NAME? LAURA RAMIREZ.
AND HOW ARE YOU ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROPERTY? I'M THE PROPERTY MANAGER, INSPECTOR KELLER.
WHAT CAN YOU TELL THE BOARD ABOUT THE VIOLATION IN THIS CASE? AN APARTMENT COMPLEX HERE WITH JUST TOO MANY LIGHTS NOT WORKING.
UM, WHAT ARE THE, ALRIGHT, UM, WHAT WAS THE NOTICE OF VIOLATION? WHEN WAS THE NOTICE OF VIOLATION SENT OUT? THE, THE, UH, ON, UM, MARCH 2ND, 2026, THE NOTICE OF VIOLATION WAS SENT TO THE ADDRESS PROVIDED BY THE PROPERTY APPRAISER AND EMAILED TO THE RETREAT AT, UM, LINKS, GOLF, LINKS MANAGEMENT, AND HAND DELIVERED, UH, TO, UH, THE PROPERTY MANAGER.
AND WHEN WAS THE NOTICE OF HEARING ON APRIL 8TH, 2026? A NOTICE OF HEARING WAS SENT TO THE ADDRESS PROVIDED BY THE PROPERTY APPRAISER AND TO THE REGISTERED AGENT AND EMAILED TO, UM, THE PROPERTY MANAGER.
WHEN YOU SAY THERE AREN'T ENOUGH LIGHTS WORKING, UH, CAN YOU DESCRIBE THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT WE'RE SEEING FOR THE RECORD? YEAH, SO, UM, MARK, GET THROUGH THE SLIDE.
WE'LL SEE THAT, UH, UH, THESE ARE, AS YOU FIRST COME INTO THE, UM, APARTMENT COMPLEX, UH, THERE'S, UM, A SET OF LIGHTS TO THE, TO THE, TO THE RIGHT AND A SET OF LIGHTS TO THE LEFT.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THOSE LIGHTS AREN'T WORKING.
SO RIGHT THERE AT ENTRANCE, UM, UH, THE LIGHTS AREN'T WORKING.
AND THEN, UH, YOU GOT SOME MORE LIGHTS, UM, MOSTLY ONTO THE, UH, NORTH PARKING LOT, UM, AS DEPICTED IN THESE, UM, FOLLOWING PHOTOS.
UM, AND THESE ARE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE, OF THE LIGHTS NOT WORKING.
THERE ARE OTHER LIGHTS, UH, NOT WORKING, UH, ON THE SOUTH SIDE AND OR BLINKING.
UM, I JUST, AGAIN, TRYING TO SUMMARIZE IT FOR THE, FOR THE BOARD.
AND, UH, YOU CAN SEE THESE PHOTOS WERE TAKEN LAST NIGHT AND IT WAS RAINING.
I WAS OUT THERE IN THE RING, UH, TAKING THESE PHOTOS TO GIVE YOU THE MOST UP-TO-DATE PHOTOS AS POSSIBLE.
MS. RAMIREZ, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR INSPECTOR KELLER OR ANY COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? UH, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT THE LIGHTS HAD BEEN, UH, TRIED TO BE FIXED MULTIPLE TIMES BY THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT, UM, MULTIPLE MAINTENANCE SKIES, MULTIPLE VENDORS.
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JUST THIS WEEK THE POLES WERE, THE ELECTRICITY TO THE POLES WAS FIXED.AND TODAY THE LIGHT BULBS, SOME OF THEM WERE CHANGED.
MOST OF THEM STILL, NO, SOME OF THEM STILL DON'T WORK, WHICH THEY HAVE TO REPLACE THE WHOLE LIGHT FIXTURE FOR THEM TO WORK.
BUT MOST OF THEM ARE WORKING NOW AND THE ENTRANCE IS WORKING NOW AS OF TODAY.
I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND DO IT THIS MORNING.
WE JUST, WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT SOME REPAIR.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION? BUT I THEY WILL BE COMPLETELY FIXED.
SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, WHEN YOU'RE REPLACING THE BALLAST OF THESE LIGHTS, ESPECIALLY WITH TODAY'S TECHNOLOGY, THEY BECOME VERY BRIGHT AND NUISANCE TO PEOPLE.
YOU, YOU ARE GONNA BE REQUIRED TO GET A PERMIT, UH, TO BEFORE YOU CAN REPLACE THOSE.
MAKE SURE YOU CONTRACTOR, WHAT THEY DID SO FAR IS FIXING THE ELECTRICAL AND REPLACING THE LIGHT BULBS.
GET A PERMIT BEFORE YOU DO THAT.
BEFORE, BECAUSE THEY WERE ALL WORKING, CHANGING THE LIGHTS, THE POLE.
WHAT HE, UM, HE'S CONCERNED ABOUT IS, UH, WE'VE HAD OTHER APARTMENT COMPLEXES WITH THE NEW TECHNOLOGY.
THERE'S THESE, WITH THE PUTTING IN THESE LED LIGHTS, THE LED LIGHTS ARE A WHITE LIGHT AND CAN CAUSE GLARE ISSUES.
UM, NOT ONLY TO THE NEIGHBORING RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, BUT ALSO TO THE TENANTS WITHIN THE APARTMENT COMPLEX.
I CAN, I CAN TELL YOU THERE'S OTHER APARTMENT COMPLEXES AT ANOTHER TIME.
SO WHAT HE'S SAYING IS YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THE LIGHTS THAT ARE INSTALLED AREN'T CAUSING A GLARE ISSUE AND IT'S PROB IT'S BEST THAT YOU HAVE THEM GET A PERMIT SO THAT THE PHOTOS CENTRIC THINGS CAN BE CHECKED, UM, BY THE PLANNED EXAMINER SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE THOSE PROBLEMS. OKAY, MR. CHAIR? YES, SIR.
SO, UH, WOULD, WOULDN'T IT BE OKAY FOR JUST TO REPLACE THE EXISTING BULBS THOUGH? IF THAT'S THE PROBLEM? YES.
IF THAT'S A SIMPLE ENOUGH, I WOULD SAY YES.
YOU SHOULDN'T NEED A PERMIT TO REPLACE A LIGHT.
SO A LOT OF THESE TYPE OF LIGHTS ARE NOT A BULB.
THEY'RE THE BALLAST AND THOSE ARE PROPERLY, THE BALANCE IS WHAT MAKES A LIGHT WORK.
THIS YOU CAN REPLACE THE BALLAST IN THE LIGHT, JUST CAN'T CHANGE OUT THE WHOLE FIXTURE.
AND, AND, AND THAT'S GETTING TO BE PRETTY OLD SCHOOL.
I MEAN, I, MOST ELECTRICIANS ARE LIKE, OH, WE'RE NOT MESSING WITH BALLAST ANYMORE.
WE'RE GONNA DO THIS AND WE'RE GONNA PUT LEDS IN.
AND THE LEDS IN THAT CASE, YOU REQUIRE A PERMIT IF YOU'RE CHANGING THE, UH, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? THE NATURE OF THE FIXTURE? YEAH.
THE, IF IF YOU'RE CHANGING THE FIXTURE, YOU'RE GOING TO NEED A PERMIT.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO CHANGE THESE TYPE OF LIGHTS TO MODERN LEDS WITHOUT THAT.
WITHOUT A, IT'S NOT A SCREW WINNING AND SCREW OUT.
YEAH, I HAVE A YEAH, I UNDERSTAND.
SO IF IT'S LIKE IT'S NO PERMIT, IF YOU DON'T GO BACK WITH LIKE, THEN YOU ARE GONNA REQUIRE A PERMIT.
LIKE, LIKE FOR LIKE, LIKE FOR LIKE, LIKE TO, LIKE, EXACTLY.
SO I HEARD TWO DIFFERENT THINGS THOUGH.
I HEARD ELECTRICIAN AND I HEARD HANDYMAN.
IS THERE NOT A REQUIREMENT FOR A LICENSED PERSON TO DO THIS WORK? AND DO YOU HAVE ONE? YES, WE DO.
NOW IT'S LICENSED TO DO WHAT YOU'RE, IT'S AMAZING HOW MUCH A MAINTENANCE PERSON HIRED BY AN APARTMENT COMPLEX IS ALLOWED TO DO.
YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD BE SURPRISED.
I KNOW I WAS CONNIE I THOUGHT YOU HAD TO BE LICENSED TO DO THAT.
WHEN THEY PULL THE PERMITS, THEY'LL KNOW.
IF THEY PULL THE PERMIT, IF IT'S JUST CHANGING THE BULB, RIGHT.
LIKE, LIKE FOR LIKE, LIKE FOR LIKE, SO WHEN WILL LIGHTS BE FIXED? 'CAUSE THERE'S SAFETY ISSUES FOR THE TRAFFIC.
SHE SAYS THEY'RE ALREADY CURRENTLY, UH,
SO THERE'S NO SAFETY, NO SECURITY, NO PEDESTRIAN ISSUES.
RALPH CAN VERIFY THAT THE NEXT TIME HE GOES AND CHECKS AND THERE'S ONLY A FEW NOW THAT ARE STILL NOT WORKING BECAUSE THE ELECTRICAL PART OF IT IS JUST NOT WORKING.
IT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED, BUT HE CAN LET US KNOW.
SO TO BE DONE, JUST PULLED OFF.
SO THE CITY HAVE A RECOMMENDATION.
WHAT'S YOUR RECOMMENDATION? THE CITY'S RECOMMENDATION IS TO, UH, FIND THE RESPONDENT IN VIOLATION AND GIVEN UNTIL JULY 7TH TO COMPLY.
OR A FINE UP TO TWO $50 PER DAY.
WHERE YOU SAY THE VIOLATION CONTINUES.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS? NO.
A MOTION? I CAN DO A MOTION? SURE.
I MOTION AFTER RECEIVING NOTICE TO CITED PROPERTY AND ALL RESPONDENTS IN CE 2026 DASH 0 0 0 7 7 BE FOUND IN VIOLATION, THE CITY CODES IS CITED AND THAT THE CITED PROPERTY AND ALL RESPONDENTS BE GIVEN UNTIL JULY 6TH, 2026 TO COMPLY OR A FINE OF UP TO $250 PER DAY BE
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ASSESSED FOR EACH DAY.THE VIOLATION CONTINUES BEYOND THE SAID DATE.
I HAVE A MOTION FOR THE BOARD SECOND BY MR. LOOMER.
ANY OTHER, UH, QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? IF NOT, UH, BOARD WILL NOW VOTE.
HOW DOES THE BOARD VOTE? ALL IN FAVOR.
NEXT ITEM IS ITEM NUMBER 19, CASE NUMBER 2025 DASH 0 0 6 0 4 PROPERTY.
UM, LONGWOOD LONGWOOD HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, INC.
THIS IS, UM, ACTUALLY BEFORE WE DO THAT, UH, MA'AM CAN YOU RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND? DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES, SIR.
UH, WHAT IS YOUR NAME? JUNE LEWIS.
AND HOW ARE YOU ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROPERTY? I'M A HOMEOWNER WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION.
INSPECTOR KELLER, THIS IS UNFINISHED BUSINESS.
WHAT CAN YOU TELL THE BOARD ABOUT THE PROGRESS THAT'S BEEN MADE? UM, SO, UH, THE ENGINEER FOR THE LONGWOOD HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION AND THE CITY'S ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, UM, STILL HAVEN'T, UH, FINALIZED A PLAN.
UM, THE HOPE IS THAT THAT, UH, PLAN WILL BE, UH, UH, GO FORWARD AND, UM, GET APPROVED.
UM, THE, UH, HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION HAS ASKED FROM THEIR ENGINEER A LIST OF CONTRACTORS THAT WOULD BE GOOD CONTRACTORS WHO WOULD BE ABLE AND WILLING TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS WORK.
UM, BUT THEY CAN'T REALLY AND GET QUOTES FROM THOSE CONTRACTORS UNTIL THEY GET THEIR PLAN APPROVED FROM THE CITY.
AND WHAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE CITY? THE CITY'S RECOMMENDATION IS TO, UM, EXTEND COMPLIANCE UNTIL JULY 7TH, 2026.
MS. LEWIS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR INSPECTOR KELLER? ANY COMMENTS FOR THE BOARD? UH, MY COMMENTS? YES.
UM, I'VE BEEN IN THE SUBDIVISION FOR 25 YEARS AND I HAVE FOUGHT WITH THE HOA OVER THIS CANAL MOST OF THOSE YEARS.
WHEN DENNIS BURKE WAS THE, UM, SUPERINTENDENT OF STREETS AND STORM DRAINS, HE PULLED THE SKIMMER OFF MULTIPLE TIMES BECAUSE IT IMPEDES THE FLOW OF WATER OUT OF THAT POND.
IN 2008, WE SUSTAINED DAMAGE TO OUR HOME IN THE AMOUNT OF $23,449 AND 22 CENTS.
AND I HAVE MADE MULTIPLE COMPLAINTS TO THEM ABOUT THE SKIMMER AS WELL AS TO THE CITY STORMS AND STREET DRAINS.
UM, THE LAST TIME THAT MR. BURKE PULLED THAT SKIMMER OFF WAS IN 2024, AND THEN BILL MCDONALD PULLED THE ONE OFF LAST YEAR IN PROBABLY SOMEWHERE AROUND SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER OF 2025.
AND AT EVERY TIME BEFORE, IF IT HAS A SKIMMER ON IT, IT ACTS AS A, UM, BATHTUB.
AND THAT'S THE STOPPER AND A BATHTUB IS THE BEST WAY I KNOW HOW TO DESCRIBE IT.
OUR HOME IS THE FIRST ONE THAT TAKES ON WATER AND THERE ARE MULTIPLE HOMES WITHIN MY STREET THAT HAVE THAT SAME SITUATION THAT GOES ON.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE SKIMMER BE LEFT OFF FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT MY FEAR IS, IS WHEN IT GOES BACK ON, I'M GONNA HAVE PROBLEMS AGAIN.
AND SO WHEN MY NEIGHBORS AND, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE BOARD'S NOT HERE BECAUSE THEY REALLY DON'T CARE.
I ASKED THE, AFTER THE LAST MEETING, I ASKED OUR PRESIDENT WHO WAS OUTSIDE, HE WASN'T IN THE MEETING, I SAID, WHO IS TAKING CARE OF THE MAINTENANCE? HE SAID, NOBODY.
I SAID, WE CAN'T HAVE NOBODY PULLING DEBRIS AND THINGS OUTTA THERE.
THAT MEANS YOU'RE NOT GONNA TAKE CARE OF THE SKIMMER EITHER WHEN IT GETS PUT BACK ON.
SO MY GRADE, HE SAID, BRING IT UP AT A MEETING.
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING I NEED TO BRING UP IN A MEETING.
THAT IS SOMETHING THE BOARD ALREADY SHOULD BE TAKEN CARE OF.
IT'S NOT FOR ME TO BRING IT UP.
I SHOULDN'T LIVE IN FEAR OF MY PROPERTY HAVING WATER DAMAGE.
WE DON'T LIVE IN A FLOOD ZONE.
AND IT'S BEEN AN ONGOING PROBLEM.
THEY'VE BEEN PUTTING SKIMMERS ON WITHOUT PERMITTING.
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THEY CALL IT MAINTENANCE.IT'S NOT MAINTENANCE, IT'S JUST DOING WILLY-NILLY.
WHAT YOU WANT TO DO WITH BLATANT DISREGARD, MR. ENUS, WHO IS A CITY ENGINEER, GOT INVOLVED IN THIS BACK IN 2024, WHENEVER THERE WAS AN ISSUE AT THAT TIME.
AND HE EXPLAINED TO THEM WHY THEY COULDN'T BE DOING WHAT THEY'RE DOING WITH PUTTING THESE SKIMMERS ON THERE.
THAT'S WHAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT.
RIGHT? THAT'S NOT SOMETHING DESIGNED BY AN ENGINEERING COMPANY.
THEY, THEY'VE HAD MULTIPLE DIFFERENT KINDS ON THERE.
THEY'VE PUT CAGES ON IT, THEY'VE MODIFIED THAT OUTFLOW BOX.
SO IN THE PREVIOUS HEARING WHERE THERE WAS A FINDING, ALL THESE FACTS HAVE COME OUT AND THE BOARD FOUND THE, THE HOA IN VIOLATION, THE ISSUE BEFORE THE BOARD NOW IS, IS THERE PROGRESS AT TO, TO, UH, TO JUSTIFY AN EXTENSION? RIGHT NOW, UH, THE INSPECTOR HAS TESTIFIED THAT THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT HAS THE PLANS FOR THIS, UH, REPAIR AND WE ARE REQUESTING AN EXTENSION TILL JULY 7TH.
MY, MY QUESTION TO THE BOARD IS THIS, AND TO ALSO RALPH AND MARK, IF THEY PUT THIS SKIMMER ON AND YOU ALL GIVE THEM A PERMIT AND THEN I HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THE WATER BACK FLOWING FROM THE CANAL, WHO DO I GO TO WHO DO I SAY I NEED HELP? DO, DO I THEN GO TO BILL MCDONALD WHO IS WITH THE STREETS AND STORM DRAINS? DO I ASK FOR THEM? I'M, I'M SORRY.
WE CAN'T ANSWER QUESTIONS FOR WHAT, WHAT MIGHT THE PROBLEM IS.
IS THAT'S A, THAT'S AN IF OR, AND OR A, BUT.
AND WE DON'T, WE CAN'T GIVE YOU ANSWER ON IF AND OR A, BUT NO, I IT HAS TO HAPPEN FIRST.
SO, SO WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS, IS THAT IT'S IN FRONT OF ENGINEERING.
SO ENGINEERING'S GONNA DO THEIR JOB.
ONCE THEY DO THEIR JOB, THEN YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE A PROBLEM.
AND THE HOPE, AND THE HOPE IS A PROPERTY DESIGNED, AND IT'S PROPERTY DESIGNED AND, AND PROPERTY INSTALLED, UM, SKIMMER OR BAFFLE OR WHAT, WHAT HAVE YOU, DOESN'T CAUSE HER PROBLEMS. IF, IF THAT, THAT, IF THAT DOES HAVE A PROBLEM, THEN UM, SOMETHING SURE NEED TO BE ADDRESSED, UM, BY ALL THOSE INVOLVED AT THAT TIME.
SORRY, THAT'S THE BEST ANSWER WE CAN GIVE YOU AT THIS TIME.
UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S THE BEST WE CAN DO.
YOU'VE BEEN, YOU'VE LIVED IN THIS HOW LONG, 25 YEARS HAVE HAS, HOW, WHEN DID YOU, AS THE PROBLEM, DID THE PROBLEM HAPPEN? DID IT, WAS IT LIKE, LIKE THAT WHEN YOU MOVED IN? I HAVE NO IDEA, SIR, BECAUSE I NEVER GOT INVOLVED IN THE CANAL ITSELF OR KNOWING ANYTHING ABOUT IT, BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO GET INTO THE GATE.
WELL, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT YOU SAID YOUR PROPERTY WAS GETTING WET OKAY.
AND POSSIBLY FLOODING BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF MAINTENANCE AND OR WHATEVER.
WELL, YEAH, IT IS THE LACK OF MAINTENANCE.
UM, THAT'S, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, SO WHEN DID YOU FIRST START NOTICING YOUR PROPERTY? WAS, WAS FLOODING? WE'RE GETTING INTO THE WEEDS HERE.
UH, THERE'S ALREADY BEEN A FINDING.
IT'S, IT'S BEING MOVED FORWARD TOWARDS CORRECTION.
AND THE CITY'S RECOMMENDATION IS TO EXTEND COMPLIANCE.
I WAS JUST GONNA QUICKLY ASK IF THE ENGINEER WAS AWARE OF THIS FLOODING PROBLEM.
THEY ARE VERY AWARE OF THE, THE SCENARIO.
AND HAVE, UH, AND WHAT'S GREAT ABOUT THIS SCENARIO WAS THE, UM, CITY ENGINEER MET ON SITE, UH, WITH MYSELF, MARK, UM, OTHER ENGINEERING, UH, UH, AND, UM, REPRESENTATIVES OF THE HOA AND EXPLAINED TO 'EM WHAT THEY NEEDED TO DO.
FIRST STEP WAS FIND AN, UH, AN ENGINEER, A PRIVATE ENGINEER WHO WILL HELP THEM WORK THROUGH THESE PROBLEMS. AND THEY'VE DONE THAT.
AND THEN THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE TO FIND A CONTRACTOR TO IMPLEMENT THAT APPROVED PLAN.
AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE STILL WAITING ON THE APPROVED PLAN.
SOUNDS LIKE THEY'VE GOT YOUR INTEREST IN MIND.
UM, LET'S SEE, WHICH ONE'S THE EXTEND, UH, NUMBER 10.
I MOTION THAT THE, ALL THE, UH, ALTHOUGH THE CITED PROPERTY RESPONDENTS IN, UM, CE, UM, 2025 DASH 0 0 6 0 4 REMAINS IN NON-COMPLIANCE WITH THE BOARD'S PREVIOUS ORDER THAT THE DATE FOR COMPLIANCE BE EXTENDED TO 7 7 26.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION QUESTIONS? NO.
UM, MOTION BEFORE THE BOARD, HOW DO WE VOTE?
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ALL IN FAVOR.CAN WE, CAN WE TAKE TWO, TWO MINUTES? SURE.
FIVE MINUTE PER ASK YOUR BOARD
GET THIS THING SOME PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO GET AWAY WITH.
SO WE ARE GOING TO JUMP TO NUMBER 22.
INSPECTOR ANDRE, THIS IS CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 0 0 3 9 6.
THE BREVARD HINDU MANIR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1517.
ANITA DEL RIO, CAN YOU TELL THE BOARD ABOUT THIS UNFINISHED BUSINESS? THERE HAS BEEN NO CHANGE TO, TO WHAT'S GOING ON.
THEY, UM, THEY APPLIED FOR DISTRICT USE PERMIT AND THEY'RE STILL WAITING.
THEY HAVEN'T BEEN NO COMMUNICATION WITH US OR WITH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
SO AT THIS POINT, THE CITY WOULD LIKE TO START A FINE AT $50 A DAY.
UM, THEY'VE BEEN FOUND IN VIOLATION, IS THAT RIGHT? YES.
I WAS GOING TO, UM, UM, MAKE A, UH, A MOTION, BUT, UM, UM, NUMBER 11.
UH, MR. CHAIR, I MOVE? YES, SIR.
I MOTION THE CITED PROPERTY AND ALL RESPONDENTS IN CE 2024 DASH 0 3 9 6 HAVING FAILED TO APPLY WITH THE BOARD'S, PREVIOUS ORDERS BE ASSESSED A FINE OF $50 PER DAY BEGINNING TODAY.
UM, FOR EACH DAY THE VIOLATION CONTINUES AND SHALL BE RECORDED AS A LIEN.
WE HAVE A MOTION FOR THE BOARD.
MR. TI, UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR NO FURTHER QUESTIONS? HOW DO WE VOTE ON THE MOTION? THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ITEM NUMBER 24, CASE NUMBER 2025 DASH 0 0 0 2 9.
PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1 0 9 PRINCE AVE.
INSPECTOR ANDRE, THIS IS UNFINISHED BUSINESS.
WHAT CAN YOU TELL THE BOARD ABOUT THE PROGRESS IN THIS CASE? OKAY, THE PROPERTY OWNER DO, DID HAVE, DOES HAVE A PERMIT, UM, AS WE SPEAK.
THEY WERE WORKING ON THE ELECTRICAL AND THEY CAME IN TODAY AND PAID THE WATER BILL THAT THE BACK WATER BILL HAD.
SO THE CITY WOULD LIKE TO EXTEND COMPLIANCE TO JULY 7TH.
I MOTION THAT ALTHOUGH THE SITE OF PROPERTY AND ALL RESPONDENTS IN CE 2025 DASH 0 29 REMAINS IN NON-COMPLIANCE WITH THE BOARD'S PREVIOUS ORDER, THE DATE FOR COMPLIANCE WILL EXTEND TO JULY 7TH, 2026.
SECOND MOTION FOR THE BOARD SECOND BY MR. TEAL.
ITEM NUMBER 25, CASE NUMBER 2025 DASH 0 0 0 9 1 PROPERTY LOCATED AT 5 0 6 WILLIAM STREET.
UH, INSPECTOR ANDRE, THIS IS UNFINISHED BUSINESS.
WHAT CAN YOU TELL THE BOARD ABOUT THIS CASE? THE PROPERTY OWNER DID, DID OBTAIN A PERMIT AND IS WORKING ON IT, AND IT, HE SHOULD HAVE IT COMPLETE BY THE NEXT HEARING.
SO THE CITY WOULD LIKE TO EXTEND COMPLIANCE TILL SEVEN.
I MOTION THAT ALL THOSE CITED PROPERTY AND ALL RESPONDENTS IN CE 2025 DASH 0 0 9 1 REMAINS IN NON-COMPLIANCE WITH THE BOARD'S PREVIOUS ORDER.
THE DAY FOR COMPLIANCE BEING EXTENDED TO JULY 7TH, 2026.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? HOW DOES THE BOARD VOTE? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY YAY.
NEXT ITEM IS ITEM NUMBER, UH, 26, CASE NUMBER 2025 DASH 0 0 1 4 6.
PROPERTY LOCATED AT 33 10 JAMES STREET, INSPECTOR ANDRE, THIS IS UNFINISHED BUSINESS.
WHAT CAN YOU TELL THE BOARD ABOUT THE PROGRESS IN THIS CASE? THE PROPERTY OWNER IS CONTINUING TO WORK ON THE ROOF.
IT WAS, UM, THIS, THEY ALMOST COMPLETED IT TODAY, BUT BECAUSE OF THE RAIN THIS MORNING, THE WORKERS HAVE LEFT.
SO IT SHOULD BE COMPLETED BY JULY 7TH, ALSO.
SO THE CITY LIKE THE EXAM COMPLIANCE.
I MOTION THAT ALL THOSE SITE OF PROPERTY AND ALL RESPONDENTS IN CE 2025 DASH 0 0 1 4 6 REMAINS A NON-COMPLIANCE WITH BOARD'S PREVIOUS ORDERS THAT
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THE DATE FOR COMPLIANCE BE EXTENDED TO JULY 7TH, 2026.I'LL SECOND MOTION FOR THE BOARD SECOND BY MR. TI.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF HEARING NONE, HOW DOES THE BOARD VOTE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YAY OPPOSED.
NEXT ITEM IS ITEM NUMBER 29 CASE, UH, NUMBER 2025 DASH FIVE EIGHT.
PROPERTY LOCATED AT 24 0 1 AND 24 0 5 STONE STREET INSPECTOR.
ANDRE, WHAT CAN YOU TELL THE BOARD ABOUT THIS UNFINISHED BUSINESS? YEAH, THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS APPLIED FOR A DEMOLITION PERMIT AND HE SHOULD BE HAVING IT DEMOED BY THE NEXT HEARING.
SO THIS HERE, LIKE THE EXTEND COMPLIANCE TO JULY 7TH.
I MOTION THAT ALL THE STATE OF PROPERTY AND ALL RESPONDENTS IN CE 2025 DASH 0 5 18 REMAINS NONCOMPLIANCE FOR THE BOARD FOR COMPLIANCE EXTENDED TO JULY 7TH, 2027.
I'LL SECOND MOTION FOR THE BOARD SECOND BY MR. TI.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? HEARING NO QUESTIONS.
HOW DOES THE BOARD VOTE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YAY.
ITEM NUMBER 30, CASE NUMBER 2025 DASH 0 0 7 1 4.
PROPERTY LOCATED AT 32 15 PLUMBER CIRCLE.
THIS IS UNFINISHED BUSINESS INSPECTOR.
ANDRE, WHAT CAN YOU TELL THE BOARD ABOUT THIS CASE? THE PROPERTY OWNER, UM, THE POOL IS STILL IN, IN A MESS AND, UM, THEY HAVEN'T RESPONDED TO ME.
SO THE CITY LIKE TO START A FINE OF $25 A DAY.
YES, IT IS JUST, UM, A BREEDING GROUND FOR MOSQUITOES AND STUFF.
IS THIS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD? YES.
AND HOW LONG HAS THIS BEEN GOING ON? SINCE LATE 2025.
UM, CAN I MAKE, CAN I JUST SAY SOMETHING CO CHAIRMAN? SURE, SURE.
I THINK $25 FOR THOSE MOSQUITOES IS TOO SMALL, TOO LITTLE? WELL, TYPICALLY TO START THE FINE AND ESPECIALLY ON RESIDENTIAL WOULD BE THE, THE, THE CITY WOULD BE AT $25 A DAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WELL, I JUST, MR. CHAIR, I JUST MAKE A COMMENT.
I THINK WE HAVE TO BE REALLY CAREFUL TO BE CONSISTENT ON HOW WE FIND YES, THAT'S TRUE TOO.
SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE, THE $25 TO STAR FINE IS CONSISTENT WITH, WITH, UM, I THINK CITY'S RECOMMENDATION IN THE PAST.
SO I THINK WE WOULD BE CONSISTENT AGAIN BY, BY, BY THE $25 DAILY.
I'D LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, UM, MR. CHAIRPERSON, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.
I MOTION THAT THE CITED PROPERTY AND ALL RESPONDENTS IN CE 2 2 5 0 0 7 1 4 HAVING FAILED TO COMPLY WITH THE BOARD'S, PREVIOUS ORDERS BE ASSESSED A FINE OF $25 PER DAY BEGINNING TODAY.
FOR EACH DAY THAT VIOLATION CONTINUES AND SHALL BE RECORDED AS A LIEN.
SECOND BY MR. TEAL, WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? HOW DOES THE BOARD VOTE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YAY.
ITEM NUMBER 30, CASE NUMBER 2026 DASH 0 9 5.
PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2,600 RACE STREET.
THIS IS, I SAY, WHAT DID I SAY? 31.
THIS IS 31, RIGHT? I NOT SAY 31.
YEAH, I WAS JUST SAY THAT'S OKAY.
ITEM NUMBER 31, UM, INSPECTOR ANDRE, THIS IS UNFINISHED BUSINESS.
WHAT CAN YOU TELL THE BOARD ABOUT THIS CASE? OKAY, UM, PREVIOUSLY THIS CASE WAS FOUND IN VIOLATION AND THEY DID SOME WORK DATE.
SO RIGHT NOW THE CITY LIKE TO START A FINE AT $25 A DAY.
SO YOU SAY THEY ARE MAKING PROGRESS.
UM, HAVEN'T MADE CONTACT WITH THE OWNERS, BUT, UM, WHEN I DID MY REINSPECTION, THE PROPERTY WAS BOARDED UP, THE YARD CLEANED UP, BUT ALL THE TRASH WAS PUT BY THE SIDE OF THE ROAD JUST LIKE IT IS THERE.
SO THEY HAVEN'T MADE ANY CONTACT WITH US OR ANYTHING.
SO THAT'S THE REASON FOR STARTING THE FINE.
SEE, BUT YOU'VE TRIED TO CONTACT THEM, RIGHT? SO, HUH? YOU'VE TRIED TO CONTACT OH YEAH.
TRIED CONTACTING ME AND THEY, THE NEW OWNERS, SOMEONE ELSE HAD OWNED
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THIS PROPERTY BEFORE.SO THIS IS A, THIS IS ANOTHER SET OF FINES THAT IS GOING ON THIS PROPERTY ALSO.
WAS ANDRE, WAS THERE A, UH, MR. ANDRE, WAS THERE A, UH, DEMOLITION PERMIT PULLED ON THIS PROPERTY? NO, THERE WAS NEVER, NEVER A DEMOLITION.
THAT'S JUST SO THE ROOF SYSTEM AND THE WALLS AND THE REST OF IT ALL AT THAT HOUSE, THEY ALL COMPLY RIGHT NOW.
THIS HOUSE BEEN LIKE THIS FOR THE PAST FEW YEARS.
WE DID CAP THE FINE, I THINK AT ONE POINT IT WAS OVER 15, 15,000 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO NOW THAT THEY GOT THE NEW OWNERS, WE, WE SIGNED THE NEW OWNERS FOR IT.
SO I DON'T, I DON'T, ON THE, ON THE AGENDA, I DON'T SEE A FINE AMOUNT.
DID DID THE OWNERS TAKE ON THE, THE RESPONSIBILITY TO FINE? NO, THIS, THIS WAS BOUGHT IN A TAX DEED SALE BY A CORPORATION.
SO THEY'RE STARTING WITH A CLEAN SLATE, SO TO SPEAK.
WELL, THE DEAN IS STILL WITH THE OTHER OWNER.
WE GOT THE NEW OWNERS COMING THERE.
WE STARTING A FINE ON THEM ALSO.
THIS IS ONE OF THE HOMES WE, WE, UH, TRY AND REAL HARD TO GET RID OF.
OH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION.
LIKE MOTION THAT DECIDED PROPERTY ALL RESPONDENTS IN CASE NUMBER CE 26 2 0 0 0 9 5 HAVING FAILED TO MAKE TO COMPLY WITH THE BOARD'S PREVIOUS ORDER BE ASSESSED A FINE OF $25 PER DAY BEGINNING TODAY.
FOR EACH DAY, THE VIOLATION CONTINUES AND SHALL BE RECORDED AS A LIEN.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS.
HOW DOES THE BOARD VOTE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YAY.
SO BEFORE WE MOVE ON, UM, MR. TEO, I LEAVE IT UP TO YOU SINCE YOU'RE PRESENT FOR YOUR CASE.
I LEAVE IT UP TO YOU SINCE YOU'RE PRESENT FOR YOUR, YOUR CASE.
I'LL START AT THE BEGINNING AT NUMBER 11.
SO YOU WANT TO GO LAST? YEAH, LET'S GO IN ORDER.
'CAUSE I THINK THAT, UM, MR. OR OFFICIAL HAROLD IS COVERING FOR MR. GOSLIN, SO WE CAN LET EVERYBODY ELSE GO IF WE JUST GO SINCE HE'LL BE HERE ANYWAY.
UM, THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 14, CASE NUMBER 2025 DASH 9 0 6.
PROPERTY LOCATED AT NINE 10 WHITMEYER DRIVE.
UM, INSPECTOR GERMAN, THIS IS UNFINISHED BUSINESS.
WHAT CAN YOU TELL THE BOARD ABOUT THIS CASE? THEY DID, UH, REMOVE THE TRAILER FROM FORD TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE LINE.
THEY HAVE ALSO APPLIED FOR A PERMIT FOR SOME OF THE WORK THAT, UH, HAPPENED AT THE PROPERTY HAS NOT BEEN ISSUED.
UM, AND THEY ALSO APPLIED FOR AN APPEAL WITH THE CIRCUIT COURT OF THE CODE BOARD HEARING AT THE LAST HEARING, THE, OF THE FINDING AND ORDER.
WHAT IS THE RECOMMENDATION? UH, SO THE CITY RECOMMENDS THAT THE COMPLIANCE BE EXTENDED TO TEN SIX TWENTY SIX.
THAT'S TO ALLOW FOR THE APPEAL TO WORK IT STRAIGHT THROUGH THE COURT.
WHAT MONTH? WHAT, WHAT'S THE DATE? UH, OCTOBER 6TH, 2026.
DID YOU SAY STAY THE PHONE? OKAY.
EXTENSION, NO, EXTEND, EXTEND COMPLIANCE AND COMPLIANCE.
AND THAT WOULD BE NUMBER MOTION NUMBER 11.
SO, SO THE POYN WITHIN THE 30 DAY PERIOD, BUT THEN NOW YOU'RE WAITING ON THE COURT.
IS THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING? YES.
FOR IT TO WORK ITS WAY THROUGH THE COURT SYSTEMS. YES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIRMAN? YES, SIR.
I MAKE A MOTION THAT ALTHOUGH THE CITY PROPERTY AND ALL RESPONDENTS IN CE 2025 DASH 0 0 9 0 6 REMAINS IN NONCOMPLIANCE FOR PREVIOUS ORDERS, THAT THE DATE, THAT THE COMPLIANCE BE EXTENDED UNTIL OCTOBER THE SIXTH.
HOW DOES THE BOARD VOTE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YAY.
CASE IS ITEM NUMBER 16, CASE NUMBER 2025 DASH 0 0 0 9 5.
PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2192 KING RICHARD ROAD, INSPECTOR KELLER.
THIS IS UNFINISHED BUSINESS BOOK.
CAN YOU TELL THE BOARD ABOUT THE PROGRESS IN THIS CASE? UH, SO THE NEW OWNER, UM, HAS BEEN, UH, ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY AND HAS BEEN FIXING THINGS UP.
I STILL NEED TO GET SOME PERMITS FOR THE, UH, WORK THAT HE'S DOING THERE.
UM, BUT, UH, SO RECOMMENDATION IS TO EXTEND
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COMPLIANCE UNTIL JULY 7TH.I MOTION THAT ALTHOUGH THE CI PROPERTY NON RESPONDENTS IN CE 2025 DASH 0 0 9 5 REMAINS IN NON-COMPLIANCE WITH THE BOARD'S PREVIOUS ORDER, THE DATE FOR COMPLIANCE BE EXTENDED TO JULY 7TH, 2026.
MOTION FOR THE BOARD SECOND BY MR. TI.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS.
HOW DOES THE BOARD VOTE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YAY OPPOSED IYE VOTE YAY.
ITEM NUMBER 17, CASE NUMBER 2025 DASH 0 0 4 0 6.
PROPERTY LOCATED AT 26 20 AND 26 THROUGH 26 32 AURORA ROAD.
INSPECTOR KELLER, THIS IS UNFINISHED BUSINESS, BUT CAN YOU TELL THE BOARD ABOUT THE PROGRESS OF THIS CASE? UH, GOOD PROGRESS.
UM, THE FENCE GOT PERMITTED AND REPLACED, UH, AND, UH, THE OVERGROWTH, UM, GOT REMOVED.
BUT WE HAVE THIS, THAT WHEN THEY, THERE WAS OVERGROWTH INSIDE THE, THE DITCH AND THEY DID A GOOD JOB OF REMOVING THAT OVERGROWTH IN FROM THE DITCH, WHICH HAD A LOT OF MUCK OVER THE YEARS.
SO THERE WE SEE A PILE OF MUCK THAT STILL NEEDS TO BE REPLACED.
THE CITY'S RECOMMENDATION IS TO EXTEND COM EXTEND COMPLIANCE UNTIL JULY 7TH.
I MAKE A MOTION THAT ALTHOUGH THE CITY PROPERTY CITED PROPERTY, ALL RESPONDENTS IN CE 2025 DASH 0 4 0 6 REMAINS IN NON-COMPLIANCE WITH THE BOARD PREVIOUS ORDER THAT THE DATE COMPLIANCE BE EXTENDED UNTIL JULY THE SEVENTH.
SECOND BY MR. SOMS. UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? HEARING NO QUESTIONS.
HOW DOES THE BOARD VOTE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YAY.
ITEM NUMBER 18, CASE NUMBER 2025 DASH 0 0 4 4 3.
PROPERTY LOCATED AT 10 67 TUSKEGEE AVE.
INSPECTOR KELLER, THIS IS UNFINISHED BUSINESS.
WHAT CAN YOU TELL THE BOARD ABOUT THE PROGRESS IN THIS CASE? SO THERE'S BEEN SOME PROGRESS.
UM, THE FENCE HAS ACTUALLY BEEN REPAIRED AND WAS COMPLIED.
THE OUTSIDE STORAGE AT THIS TIME IS, IS GONE AND COMPLIED.
UM, THERE DID A LITTLE BIT OF, OF A PAINTING OVER THE ROTTED, UH, SOFFIT AND FASCIA, UM, BUT STILL HAVE SOME PEELING PAINT AND STILL NEED TO, UH, REPLACE SOME SOFFIT AND SOME FASCIA.
UM, SO THE CITY'S RECOMMENDATION IS TO EXTEND COMPLIANCE UNTIL JULY 7TH.
I CAN MAKE A MOTION THAT ALTHOUGH SIDE OF PROPERTY AND I'LL RESPONDENTS IN CE 2025 DASH FOUR THREE REMAINS IN NON-COMPLIANCE WITH THE MORTGAGE PREVIOUS ORDERS THAT THE DATE FOR CO COMPLIANCY EXTENDED UNTIL JULY THE SEVENTH, 2026.
SECOND BY MR. SUMS. ANY QUESTIONS? HEARING NO QUESTIONS.
HOW DOES THE BOARD VOTE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? YAY.
I HOPE WE WANT TO DO TEALS NOW BEFORE I GO.
THAT ONE'S ALL WE DID THAT ONE.
WHEN DID WE DO THAT? ONE? DID YOU DO THAT ONE? ITEM NUMBER 33.
CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 0 0 1 9 5.
PROPERTY LOCATED AT 31 0 1 NORTH HIGHWAY.
DO YOU HAVE GOOD NEWS FOR THE BOARD? YES, I DO.
THE PROPERTY OWNERS CAME IN TODAY AND PAID THE FEE, THE PERMIT FEE, AND THE, THE PERMIT WAS ISSUED.
SO TONIGHT WE'RE ANNOUNCING THE CASE AS COMPLIED WITH THE FINE OF $6,000.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THEIR CASES.
THERE IS ANOTHER CASE, BUT THEY ARE WORKING ON THAT, CORRECT? YES.
ITEM NUMBER 34, CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 0 0 7 3.
PROPERTY LOCATED AT 7 91 WASHBURN ROAD.
INSPECTOR, UH, UH, DURANT, WHAT CAN YOU TELL THE BOARD ABOUT THIS UNFINISHED BUSINESS? UH, YES, THERE'S BEEN PROGRESS MADE.
THEY, UM, THEY HAVE PERMITS IN WITH, UH, OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT THAT ARE IN REVIEW.
SO I I SPOKE WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER TODAY, SO HOPEFULLY IN ABOUT TWO WEEKS THEY'LL BE, BE ABLE TO BE READY TO BREAK GROUND WITH THE PROJECT THAT THEY, THAT THEY HAVE GOING ON THERE.
SO THE CITY'S RECOMMEND TO EXTEND THE COMPLIANCE DATE TO AUGUST 25TH, 2026.
ALL THOSE CITED PRIVATE AND ALL RESPONDENTS IN CE 2024 DASH 0 0 0 7 3 HAVING FAILED
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TO COMPLY WITH THIS BOARD'S PREVIOUS ORDER BE ASSESSED, OR EXCUSE ME, REMAINS IN NON-COMPLIANCE WITH THE BOARD'S, PREVIOUS ORDERS AND THE DATE FOR COMPLIANCE BE EXTENDED UNTIL AUGUST 25TH, 2026.SO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR THE BOARD.
WE HAVE A SECOND BY MR. SOMS. ANY QUESTIONS? DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.
HOW DOES THE BOARD VOTE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YAY.
NEXT IS ITEM NUMBER 36, CASE NUMBER 2025 DASH 0 3 4.
PROPERTY LOCATED AT 26 47 PEPPER A INSPECTOR DURANT.
THIS IS NEW BUSINESS, BUT CAN YOU TELL THE BOARD ABOUT THE VIOLATIONS IN THIS CASE? UH, YES.
VIOLATION, A ROOF SYSTEMS AND STRUCTURAL MEMBERS MAINTENANCE REQUIRED.
UH, THERE, THE ROOF IS IN DISREPAIR.
UH, THE TOTAL HOUSE HAS ACTUALLY BEEN IN DISREPAIR FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW.
UH, B BUILDING STRUCTURE, PROPERTY AND YARD MAINTENANCE.
UH, THE YARD MAINTENANCE PART, UH, WAS TAKEN CARE OF, BUT THE REST OF B THE BUILDING AND STRUCTURE AND THE PROPERTY, UH, IS STILL IN VIOLATION.
VIOLATION C AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE PHOTO BACK IN 2025 ON THE LEFT, THE HOUSE WAS, HAS BEEN ALL BOARDED UP.
UH, THOSE PHOTOS RIGHT THERE WERE TAKEN, I BELIEVE MAY, MAY 28TH.
AND, AND THE FOLLOWING PHOTOS AS WELL.
SO, C IS COMPLIED FOR THE BOARD UPS BEYOND ONE YEAR.
AND IF YOU LOOK IN THE PICTURES RIGHT THERE, YOU CAN SEE THE CONDITION OF THE ROOF AND THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE S SUFFOLK AREA.
UH, THOSE PICTURES WERE TAKEN TODAY AROUND THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE, AROUND THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.
SO IT'S PRETTY DETERIORATED WITH THE ROTTEN WOOD.
THIS, THIS CASE IS ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF OLD? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
SO THERE'S NO PROGRESS, BASICALLY.
UH, WELL, THE ONLY PROGRESS IS THEY, THEY DID TAKE THE, THE BOARDS OFF THE WINDOWS, UH, BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I CITED THEM FOR C BUT THE BOARD UPS BEYOND ONE YEAR.
SO IT'S BEEN OVER A YEAR, AT LEAST OVER A YEAR THAT IT'S BEEN BOARDED UP SINCE WE RECEIVED THE COMPLAINT.
IS THIS IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THERE'S OTHER NEIGHBORS RIGHT NOW? OH YES.
SO IT'S AN ISO, UH, IT'S BO GARDENS.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT.
SO WHAT'S THE CITY'S RECOMMENDATION? UH, OH, BEFORE I GET TO THAT PART, UH, THE NOTICE OF VIOLATION.
THE INITIAL NOTICE OF VIOLATION WAS MAILED OUT ON 2 18 25.
UH, THE NOTICE OF HEARING WAS MAILED OUT ON 3 18 26, AND THE GREEN CARD WAS, UH, RECEIVED ON 3 21 26.
UM, THEY, EVERY, ALL THE LETTERS WERE MAILED TO THE ADDRESS LISTED ON THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S WEBSITE, AND THE CITY WAS RECOMMENDING A FINDING A VIOLATION AND SET THE COMPLIANCE DATE FOR 7 7 2 2 2026 OR A FINE OF UP TO $250 A DAY FOR EACH DATE OF VIOLATION EXISTS.
WHAT WAS THE COMPLIANCE DATE AGAIN? NEXT JULY.
MOTION, THUS RECEIVING NOTICE CITED PROB AND OR RESPONDENCE IN CASE NUMBER CE 2025 DASH 0 0 0 3 4.
BE FOUND IN VIOLATION, CITY CODE IS CITED.
AND THE, THE CITED PROPERTY AND ALL RESPONDENTS BE GIVEN UNTIL JULY THE SEVENTH, 27.
2026 TO COMPLY A FINE OF UP $250 FOR A B ASSESSED FOR EACH DATE OF VIOLATION.
MOTION FOR THE BOARD SECOND BY MR. MOBA.
HOW DOES THE BOARD VOTE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YAY.
CASE NUMBER 2025 DASH 0 0 180 1 PROPERTY LOCATED AT 28 38 SARNO ROAD.
THIS IS UNFINISHED BUSINESS INSPECTOR DURANT.
WHAT CAN YOU TELL THE BOARD ABOUT THIS CASE? UH, YES, THERE HAS BEEN PROGRESS MADE.
UH, ALL THOSE PHOTOS RIGHT THERE ON THAT SLIDE ARE FROM EARLIER, UH, THIS MORNING I MET WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER OUT THERE.
THEY'RE GOTTEN RID OF A, A LOT OF MORE DUMPSTERS AND MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS. UH, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THOSE PHOTOS RIGHT THERE, THIS IS LOOKING AT TOWARDS THE BACK MIDDLE PORTION OF THE PROPERTY.
SO THE PROPERTY OWNERS STARTED FROM THE BACK MIDDLE PORTION, AND HE'S GONNA WORK HIS WAY AROUND TO THE, TO THE ENTRANCE.
SO HE HAS MADE PROGRESS, HE HAS A, A LONG WAY TO GO, BUT, UM, THE CITY'S RECOMMENDING TO, TO EXTEND THE COMPLIANCE DATE
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TO JULY 7TH, 2026.A MOTION THAT ALL THOSE CITED.
PROPERTY, ALL RESPONDENTS IN CE 2025 DASH 0 180 1 REMAINS NON-COMPLIANCE.
THE BOARD WITH THE BOARD'S PREVIOUS ORDERS THAT THE DATE FOR COMPLIANCE BE EXTENDED UNTIL JULY THE SEVENTH, 2026.
SECOND MOTION BEFORE THE BOARD SECOND BY MR. MOBA.
HOW DOES THE BOARD VOTE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YAY.
ITEM NUMBER 41, CASE NUMBER 2025 DASH 0 0 6 0 1 PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1684 AVOCADO AVE.
INSPECTOR DURANT, THIS IS UNFINISHED BUSINESS.
WHAT CAN YOU TELL THE BOARD ABOUT THE PROGRESS IN THIS CASE? UH, YES, THE RESPONDENT HAS MADE PROGRESS.
HE WAS ABLE TO GET THE GUY THAT WAS LIVING IN, IN THE RV AND, UH, CONTRIBUTING TO THE MAJORITY OF THE TRASH ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, YOU GO TO THAT LAST SLIDE.
I BELIEVE IT'S HIGHLIGHTED RIGHT THERE.
ONE OF THOSE, NO, THAT'S NICK BACK UP.
YEAH, THERE, THOSE PHOTOS WERE TAKEN TODAY.
UH, YOU COULD SEE THAT HE CLEANED UP, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF GRILLS AND MIS CLOTHES, MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS. SO THE RESPONDENT DID CLEAN THAT UP.
SO THE CITY'S RECOMMENDED TO EXTEND THE COMPLIANCE DATE TO 7 7 20 26.
I MOTION THAT ALL THOSE CITED PROPERTY AND ALL RESPONDENTS IN CE 2025 DASH 0 0 6 0 1 REMAINS IN NON-COMPLIANCE WITH THE BOARD'S PREVIOUS ORDER THAT THE DATE FOR COMPLIANCE BE EXTENDED TO 7 7 26.
SECOND MOTION FOR THE BOARD SECOND BY MR. TEAL.
HOW DOES THE BOARD VOTE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YAY.
CASE NUMBER 2026 DASH 0 0 0 8 8.
PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1693 NORTH HARBOR CITY BOULEVARD.
INSPECTOR DURANT, THIS UNFINISHED BUSINESS.
BUT CAN YOU TELL THE BOARD ABOUT THIS CASE? UH, THE PROPERTY HAS ACTUALLY GOTTEN WORSE.
THAT'S WHAT THE PHOTOS LOOK THOSE, THAT'S THE INITIAL PHOTOS.
UM, IF YOU GO TO, IT'S GOING DOWN NEXT.
THESE ARE PHOTOS THAT WERE TAKEN TODAY.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THE BACK HAS EVEN MORE, UH, MORE ITEMS. YOU SEE THE, THE CARS, THE, THE INOPERABLE VEHICLES WITH BROKEN OUT, UH, WINDSHIELDS.
THESE ARE ACTUALLY VEHICLES THAT WERE TAKEN FROM THE RESPONDENT'S NEIGHBORING PROPERTY, WHICH HE ALSO OWNS.
AND HE JUST MOVED THEM FROM THAT VIOLATION PROPERTY TO MY VIOLATION PROPERTY.
SO, SO THE CITY'S RECOMMENDING TO START A FINE, UH, AT A HUNDRED DOLLARS A DAY.
AND THIS IS COMMERCIAL PROPERTY? YES.
SO I GUESS I, YOU KNOW, I'M PRETTY FAMILIAR.
I MEAN, I'VE, I KNOW LITTLE, I BEEN TO MOST OF THE HEARINGS WHERE THIS STUFF, THIS GUY'S OWNER HAS BEEN, AND I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A LOT OF FRUSTRATION, BUT IS A HUNDRED DOLLARS A DAY WHAT WE WOULD NORMALLY FIND SOMEBODY FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, JUST BECAUSE OF THE HISTORY, HE HAS AN EXTENSIVE HISTORY AND THE AMOUNT OF PROPERTIES, UH, PARTICULARLY COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES THAT THIS RESPONDENT OWNS WITHIN THE CITY.
YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO, THE CITY'S TRYING TO KIND OF PUT THE FIRE UP UNDER HIM, YOU KNOW, WHICH IN THE PAST, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TYPICAL $50 FINE HASN'T WORKED.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO STEP IT UP TO SEE IF MAYBE THIS WILL GET HIS ATTENTION.
I WOULD AGREE BECAUSE I, I SAW HE HAD TWO PROPERTIES AT THE LAST HEARING MM-HMM
SO HE IS TAKING THE STUFF FROM ONE AND COMBINED IT AND PUT IT ON THIS ONE.
SO YOU THINK 11 START FINE WITH A LIEN? YEP.
I MOTION THAT THE CI OF PROPERTY, NO RESPONSE.
AND CE 20 26 0 0 8 8 HAVING FAILED TO COMPLY WITH THE BOARD'S PREVIOUS ORDERS, WE ASSESSED THE FINE OF A HUNDRED DOLLARS PER DAY BEGINNING TODAY.
FOR EACH DAY, THE VIOLATION CONTINUES AND SHALL BE RECORDED AS A LIEN.
I'LL SECOND MOTION FOR THE BOARD.
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THE BOARD VOTE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YAY.ALRIGHT, UM, WE'RE GOING BACK TO THE TOP AND TAKING NUMBER 11.
CASE NUMBER 2026 DASH 0 1 2 4.
PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1 0 0 1 SOUTH HICKORY STREET.
UH, SO REPORT FROM THE FIRE PREVENTION SECTION IS THAT THEY PUT IN NEW DOORS, BUT FOR SOME REASON THERE WAS A PROBLEM.
SO NOW THEY GOTTA TAKE OUT THE NEW DOORS AND PUT IN SOME OTHER NEW DOORS.
SO THEY ARE RECOMMENDING AN EXTENSION TO THE, UH, JULY 7TH HEARING.
I MOTION THAT ALTHOUGH THE CITED PROPERTY NO RESPONDENTS IN CE 2026 DASH 0 0 1 24 REMAINS IN NON-COMPLIANCE WITH THE BOARD'S PREVIOUS ORDER THAT THE DATE FOR COMPLIANCE BE EXTENDED TO, UH, JULY 7TH, 26.
I, I'LL SECOND A MOTION FOR THE BOARD.
ANY QUESTIONS? HEARING NO QUESTIONS.
HOW DOES THE BOARD VOTE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YAY.
FINAL, UM, ISSUE IS ISSUE NUMBER 43, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 0 1 2 2.
PROPERTY LOCATED AT 24 42 EMPIRE F.
SO THIS IS MR. TEAL'S REQUEST.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO.
AND YOU'RE THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, CORRECT? CORRECT.
SO, UH, THIS IS MR. THIEL'S REQUEST.
SO, UH, THIS PROTOCOL IS FOR HIM TO START FOR HIS, UH, RESCISSION REQUEST.
IT'S HARD TO HEAR YOU OVER HERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHY IT, IT'S, IT'S, UH, SINCE YOU ASKED FOR THIS HEARING, IT'S UP TO YOU TO START IT.
UM, IF YOU WOULD TURN TO, IN THE, IN THE HANDOUT, I JUST HAD IT BEFORE I CAME UP HERE TO THE NOTES AND REPORTS.
IT'S ABOUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE MIDDLE OF THE, THE HANDOUT.
IS THERE A PAGE NUMBER AT THE BOTTOM? THERE'S THE, UH, THE ENTRY DATES AND THE COMPLAINTS STARTING AT, UH, 11 17 23.
I'M SORRY, WHAT PAGE? YOU GET IT, IT, IT'S, IT, THE PAGES THAT THEY'RE NOT SEQUENTIAL, BUT IT DOES, IF YOU BUMP THROUGH IT, IT'S PAGE ONE OF ONE, CORRECT, SIR.
PAGE ONE OF ONE RIGHT ON THE BOTTOM.
I I I'M SORRY, I CAN'T HEAR YOU.
CAN YOU SHOW US WHAT PAGE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? THERE'S, THERE'S NOT A PAGE NUMBER ON IT.
IT'S, I DON'T KNOW, IT'S JUST CASE TIMELINE.
IT'S STILL OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE MIDDLE OF THE HANDOUT.
THE FIRST LINE IS ENTRY DATE 11 17 23.
UM, THE SECOND LINE THERE ON THE, UH, 1121, WHAT WE WERE DOING INITIALLY, IT STARTED THIS WHOLE PROCESS OF THE DISCOVERIES, IS WE WERE EXTENDING OUR FENCE, UH, WANTED TO EXTEND OUR FENCE OUT TO 10 FOOT, UH, UP TO THE, TOWARDS THE FRONT, TOWARDS THE ROAD.
AND SO WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS OF DOING A DRAWING PACKAGE AND GETTING A BILLING PERMIT FROM THE CITY TO EXTEND THAT, UH, THAT FENCE OUT AND OCCURRED.
ALL THIS STARTED WHENEVER SOMEBODY IN THE BUILDING SECTION WAS REVIEWING THE PERMIT APPLICATION, AND THEY USED A, UH, AERIAL PHOTO TO SEE ALL THE STUFF THAT HAD BEEN ACCUMULATED OVER THE LAST 36 YEARS IN OUR BACKYARD, WHICH WAS, HAD A SOLID WOODEN FENCE AROUND THE FRONT WITH A CHAIN LINK, HOA FENCE AROUND THE BACK FROM THE FRONT YARD IN THE FRONT ROAD.
THERE WAS NOTHING VISIBLE THAT COULD BE SEEN VISIBLE.
SO AN INSPECTION, UM, SHOWED SOME, SOME ITEMS IN OUR FRONT YARD IN THE DR IN THE DRIVEWAY.
THEY WERE BEING REPAIRED, OUR SON WAS DOING.
AND THEN THE, UH, CODE OFFICER TRIED GOING TO THE YARD
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TO THE ROAD BEHIND OUR HOUSE THAT'S ABOUT A 600 FEET OR SO BACK, AND TRIED LOOKING BUT COULDN'T GET ACCESS.SO HE WENT TO OUR NEIGHBOR ON THE NEXT DAY AND THE NEIGHBOR ALLOWED THEM TO, UM, ON THE 27TH, ACTUALLY ALLOWED THE, UM, CODE OFFICER TO GO ONTO THE RETENTION POND BEHIND OUR SUBDIVISION AND LOOK THROUGH THE CHAIN LINK FENCE TO WHAT HE WAS ABLE TO FIND.
SO THAT'S WHAT STARTED ALL THIS.
BUT AGAIN, WE HAD 36 YEARS OF LIVING THERE AND HAD ITEMS ACCUMULATED OVER THE TIME, UH, OF THOSE 36 YEARS.
AND EVEN, UH, THE STORAGE CONTAINER THAT WE HAD WAS PERMITTED.
SO WE HAD ITEMS STORED THERE AND WE HAD THIS ITEM STORED UP AGAINST IT.
AND IT TOOK A LONG TIME TO GET ALL THE STUFF OUT.
I WENT SO FAR AS TO PURCHASE PROPERTY IN THE COUNTY TO MOVE MY OPERATION TO THAT LOCATION SO THAT WE COULD HAVE A PLACE TO PUT EVERYTHING.
'CAUSE EVERYTHING HAS VALUE TO WHOMEVER'S.
BUT WE WERE ABLE TO PROCURE A PROPERTY AND MOVE ALL THE ITEMS THERE.
UH, SOME OF THE CARS THAT WE HAD IN THE BACKYARD, YOU KNOW, WE'RE INOPERABLE.
IT WAS NO RUSH TO GET RID OF 'EM, BUT I DID GET RID OF 'EM ONCE THIS THING STARTED, I SOLD 'EM AS JUNK.
UM, MY 54 CHEVY PICKUP, AS YOU CAN SEE IN SOME OF THE PICTURES, AS YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE, UM, I DIDN'T WANT TO GET RID OF IT, SO I TOOK ANOTHER BUILDING PERMIT OUT TO BUILD A, UM, A CARPORT IN FRONT OF THE, UH, UH, AREA IN THE BACKYARD SO I COULD HAVE A PLACE UNDER ROOF TO STORE IT, WHICH MADE COMPLIANCE AND I HAD TO BUY THAT.
AND, YOU KNOW, I HAD TO GO THROUGH THE BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS, DO ALL OF THAT, AND WE DID IT.
BUT THINGS LIKE THIS, AFTER 36 YEARS AND HAVING A, UH, OPERATION, LIKE WE HAVE TOOK TIME.
SO WHAT I'M ASKING IN MY, IN MY, UM, REQUEST FOR A RECENSION IS TO HAVE THAT FINE REDUCED TO ZERO, THE $1,250.
UM, SO THAT'S WHAT I'M HERE FOR TONIGHT, IS TO REQUEST THAT THE BOARD APPROVED THAT.
AND, UM, WE'LL GET ON WITH THE OTHER ITEMS AT HAND.
UH, SO THE ONE THING THAT KIND OF STRIKES ME HERE IS THAT WE ALMOST NEVER, I MEAN, I CAN'T THINK, AND THERE, I GUESS THERE'S BEEN SOME TIMES, BUT, UM, THEY'RE PRETTY EXTRAORDINARY THAT WE ACTUALLY REDUCE THE FINE BELOW CITY COST.
WELL, WE HAVE IN THE, IT HAS BEEN DONE IN THE PAST.
AND THERE'S GOTTA BE AN EXCEPTIONAL WELL, I'M JUST SAYING IT HAS BEEN DONE.
THERE HAVE BEEN CHURCHES THAT HAVE COME IN, THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE COME IN AND THE THE FINES HAVE BEEN REDUCED TO, TO ZERO.
WHY WOULD WE DO THAT? I MEAN, IT WOULD BE LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, I COULD SEE IF, IF SOMEBODY CAME AND BOUGHT A REALLY DISTRESSED PROPERTY AND IMPROVED THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD.
NO, I, I UNDERSTAND YOUR, I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT ON MY JOB TONIGHT HERE ON AT THIS PODIUM IS TO REQUEST THAT RETENTION BASED ON WHAT I'VE, THE TESTIMONY I'VE GIVEN TONIGHT.
MAY I MAKE A, MAY I ASK QUESTION? YES, YOU ASKED THAT QUESTION.
UM, DO WE HAVE LIKE, LIKE DID, WAS HE MAKING PROGRESS AT EVERY POINT IN THIS LIKE SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS? SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE CITY'S CONSIDERATION, THEY, THEY ACTUALLY DO ADDRESS THAT VERY QUESTION.
THE QUESTION IS, WERE THE APPLICANT'S ACTIONS TOWARDS COMPLIANCE, REASONABLE AND TIMELY? UH, UNDER THE, UNDER TWO IT IS, UH, SUBPARAGRAPH D THE CITY'S POSITION IS THAT THE PERIOD FOR COMPLIANCE WAS NOT REASONABLE.
IT WAS TAKING ALMOST TWO YEARS.
SO HAD THE COMPLIANCE HAPPENED QUICKLY, PROBABLY WOULD NOT BEEN A FINE SITUATION.
SO, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IS THAT, THAT'S RIGHT.
AND YOU KNOW, I, AS A FAMILY, WE'VE GONE THROUGH SOME, DURING THIS PERIOD, WE WENT THROUGH SOME SERIOUS, UH, MEDICAL ISSUES WITH MY WIFE.
UH, SHE TRIED TO COMMIT SUICIDE.
UH, WE HAD HER IN THE HOSPITAL.
I COULD CARE LESS ABOUT ANY OF THE CODE VIOLATIONS AT THAT TIME.
UM, THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, HER MOTHER PASSED AWAY.
THAT'S, UH, THAT'S WHENEVER MY WIFE TRIED TO COMMIT SUICIDE SO
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SHE COULD JOIN JOINER.AND, UM, NOW LAST YEAR BEFORE ALL THIS WAS SETTLED, I WENT THROUGH, UH, UH, THREE STROKES, UH, HOSPITALIZED SOME, UM, YOU KNOW, IT JUST TAKES TIME TO, TO DO SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT WE HAD FOR OVER THAT 36 YEARS TO GET READ OFF.
AND MY, MY REQUEST TONIGHT IS TO HAVE IT RESCINDED TO ZERO.
UM, THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON SINCE 23, UH, 2023.
AND, AND YOU'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD FOR A LONG TIME, 20 YEARS, AND YOU'VE SEEN, AND YOU'VE SEEN MANY PEOPLE COME YES, I HAVE BEFORE HERE.
MANY PEOPLE COMING FOR WAR HERE, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT THEIR CASE AND NONE OF WHAT YOU SAID IS UNUSUAL FOR WHAT WE'VE HEARD.
SOME OF THE DIFFERENCES ARE IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR SO LONG.
THAT'S THE ISSUE I HAVE WITH IT.
AND, AND ANOTHER ISSUE IS THAT YOU ABOVE ALL SHOULD KNOW BETTER AND YOU'RE EMBARRASSED.
AND I, I DON'T WANT TO GET PERSONAL, BUT IT'S EMBARRASSING TO ALL OF US OR IF YOUR N TO TO HAVE A BOARD MEMBER NOT BEING COMPLIANT.
I MEAN, TO, TO US OR TO ANY OF YOUR NEIGHBORS OR ANYBODY.
IT KIND OF, IT KIND OF, IT DOESN'T SHOW, IT DOESN'T SHOW, IT DOESN'T SHOW US OR THE CITY VERY, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T LOOK US LOOK VERY GOOD IF YOU WERE A BOARD MEMBER AND YOU'RE DOING AND, AND YOU'RE DOING WHAT WE, YOU'RE DOING EXACTLY WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO.
BUT I WAS, I CAME INTO COMPLIANCE AND, YOU KNOW, AFTER, AFTER BUYING A PROPERTY, 300 GRAND FOR A PROPERTY AND MOVING EVERYTHING, ALL THE OPERATIONS OVER THERE, IT, IT ALL TOOK TIME.
AND THERE WAS OTHER THINGS THAT, THAT WERE IN THE WAY THAT I HAD TO TAKE CARE OF.
WHEN DID YOU, WHEN DID YOU, DID YOU START? UH, OKAY.
UM, I HAVE SOMETHING CHAIRMAN.
I MEAN, I'VE, I'VE SAID I'VE, I'VE SAID WHAT I, I NEEDED TO SAY, MR. CHAIR, I HAVE SOMETHING WE'RE RECOGNIZED.
I COULD SPEAK FOR, UH, EXPERIENCE.
WHEN YOU GET OLDER AND YOU HAVE PROBLEMS AND YOU DON'T FEEL WELL, IT TAKES LONGER TO DO THINGS.
BUT WE, MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT'S CALLED LIFE.
THE OPTIC IS IN, IN FLORIDA, WE HAVE THE SUNSHINE LAW, SO ANYBODY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC CAN SEE WHAT WE'RE SEEING, BUT THEY'RE NOT HERE.
BUT WHAT THEY WILL SEE IS IF WE WERE TO RESCIND THIS, THAT A BOARD MEMBER GOT A DEAL.
I HATE TO PUT IT THAT WAY, BUT THAT'S THE WAY IT LOOKS MAYBE TO THE PUBLIC.
AND IT'S A DEAL THAT'S LESS THAN WHAT THE CITY RECOMMENDED.
SO FOR THAT REASON, BECAUSE OF THE OPTIC, I FEEL LIKE I, WE ACCEPT THE CITY'S RECOMMENDATION.
SO NOTWITHSTANDING HIM BEING A BOARD MEMBER, TREATING HIM LIKE ANY OTHER RESPONSE EXACTLY HOW IT NEEDS TO BE.
UM, HE DOESN'T MEET ANY OF THE CITY'S CRITERIA AS OUTLINED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT.
EVEN THE AMOUNT OF THE FINE DOES NOT EXCEED THE MINIMUM CITY COST OF 1600.
AND SO THE CITY IS AT, WE HAVE TO RECOMMEND A DENIAL.
WHAT THE BOARD DOES IS AT THEIR DISCRETION, IT'S A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
BUT BASED ON THE CRITERIA THAT THE COUNCIL HAS GIVEN THE CITY, THEN WE CANNOT RECOMMEND A RESCISSION MARK.
WOULD IT THEN, WOULD IT THEN BE A, A THING WHERE IT HAS COST THE CITY MONEY? WELL, EVERY ONE OF THESE CASES CALLS THE CITY MONEY.
YEAH, I KNOW, RIGHT?
AND $1,600 DOESN'T EVEN COME CLOSE TO COVERING THE CITY COSTS.
THEN YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, I, MR. CHAIR, I, I JUST WANNA REITERATE, I I THINK IT HAS TO BE A REALLY GOOD JUSTIFICATION GO BELOW CITY COST AND YOU KNOW, LIKE THERE REALLY ISN'T ANY PUBLIC BENEFIT, RIGHT? SO, YEAH.
AND, AND, AND LEMME JUST SAY ONE MORE THING.
IN MY DEFENSE, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE MULTIPLE TIMES THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE A QUORUM.
WE DIDN'T HAVE, UH, WE, WE WERE OUT.
ONE, ONE MEETING EXTENDED IT ALL OUT.
IT'S NOT LIKE STARTING AT THE BEGINNING UNTIL THIS WAS CAME TO COMPLIANCE THAT I WASN'T DOING ANYTHING.
IT WAS ALSO OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES, YOU KNOW, EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES THAT LED TO THIS BEING AS LONG AS IT DID.
UH, AND THAT'S ALL IN THE DOCUMENTATION THERE.
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UM, I WOULD ARGUE THAT THOSE MEETINGS THAT HAD NO QUORUM ACTUALLY GAVE HIM MORE TIME BEFORE FINE EVEN STARTED.WELL, MR. CHAIR, I, I MEAN, I'M TOTALLY SYMPATHETIC TO THE AMOUNT OF TIME IT TOOK AND HE HAD PERSONAL PROBLEMS AND ALL THAT, BUT I'M JUST REALLY STUCK ON WHY WOULD WE GO BELOW CITY COST.
YOU KNOW, I, I JUST DON'T SEE A REASON.
AND THIS, THIS RECOMMENDATION IS NOT INCONSISTENT WITH MOST OF THE RESCISSION REQUESTS WE HAVE GIVEN THE DYNAMICS OF THIS CASE AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY MET THE CRITERIA.
I COULD SEE IF IT WERE A $20,000 FINE AND WE WANTED TO BRING IT DOWN TO 1600 THAT, YOU KNOW, ENTERTAIN SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT WE'RE NOT MEETING ANY OF THE CRITERIA AND THE FINE ISN'T EVEN THE CITY COST.
SO, I MEAN, I'M READY TO MAKE RECOMMENDATION.
DO YOU FEEL THAT THE THE COST SHOULD BE THE ACTUAL COST? WELL, I DON'T THINK THAT'S NOT, WE, WE CAN, WE CAN WE WE CAN'T DO THAT.
WHAT, WHAT THE CITY SAID WAS NO, WE, WE CAN'T RAISE THE FINE OF 1600.
I THINK THAT'S JUST A, JUST GIVING YOU AN IDEA ABOUT WHAT'S BEEN INVOLVED IN THE CASE, THE AMOUNT OF TIME, EFFORT, AND THE COST THAT THE CITY HAS IN THE CASE.
AND SO THE, THE FINE IS WELL BELOW THAT THRESHOLD, JUST AS A POINT OF, UH, INFORMATION OR DISCUSSION FOR THE BOARD.
DO YOU, YOU HAVE YOU HAVE ANY AM I OUTTA ORDER TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION? WELL, LET, LET'S JUST, HAS ANYBODY GOT ANY MORE QUESTIONS? NO.
OPEN TO ME I MOTION FOR, UH, CODE ENFORCEMENT LIEN NUMBER CE 2023 DASH 0 1 1 22, THAT THE CODE BOARD RECOMMENDS THE CITY COUNCIL DENIAL OF THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO RESCIND OR REDUCE THE FINE TO A BALANCE OF, UH, $1,250 IN THE FINE BALANCE AMOUNT REMAIN AS A LIEN UNTIL PAY SECOND MOTION BEFORE THE BOARD.
IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSIONS AT THIS TIME? IF NOT, DOES THE BOARD VOTE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YAY.
OR WE STILL HAVE ONE, TWO THINGS.
UH, FIRST, UH, I DON'T, I SEE MOST OF YOU GOT, UH, KEVIN MCCUEN'S FROM THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE EMAIL ABOUT YOUR, UH, APPLICATIONS.
MINE'S ALREADY TURNED BACK IN.
MOST OF YOU TURNED 'EM IN, BUT IF THOSE WHO HAVE NOT, PLEASE TAKE CARE OF THAT.
UH, ALSO THE COUNCIL IS REQUESTING A DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD MEMBERS ON WHETHER OR NOT THERE SHOULD BE TERM LIMITS FOR BOARD MEMBERS.
UM, SO THEY'RE LOOKING AT, INSTEAD OF JUST CONTINUING, IT'S A THREE YEAR TERM, FOUR YEAR TERM.
I, I, I'D LIKE TO GIVE MY PERSPECTIVE ON IT REAL QUICK.
UH, IT'S TOUGH TO GET BOARD MEMBERS ON.
PUTTING TERM TERM LIMITS ON THAT WOULD BE PROBABLY NOT BENEFICIAL.
BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, MY PERSPECTIVE.
YOU CAN CERTAINLY, UH, I HAVE ADVISE.
I MEAN, TERM LIMITS WOULDN'T MEAN THAT SUDDENLY ALL NEW BOARD MEMBERS WELL, IT WOULDN'T WORK THAT WAY.
SO, SO IF A NEW MEMBER COMES IN, THEY STILL HAVE THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS THAT HAVE BEEN HERE TO, TO, TO COUNSEL THEM AND TO GO ON WITH IT.
AND I WOULD BE GREATLY IN FAVOR OF DOING TERM LIPS.
I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT A LOT OF US GET, GET INTO IT AND, AND, AND DON'T, DON'T REALLY HEAR WHAT WE SHOULD BE HEARING BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GONE.
THE EXPERIENCE DOES GIVE US SOME THOUGHT, BUT I, I THINK, I THINK IT WOULD, WE WOULD BE BETTER IF WE HAD MULTIPLE PEOPLE IN, IN, IN TERM LIMITS.
I'VE BEEN, I'VE BEEN, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR A LONG TIME AND WELL, BYE.
I WOULD, I WOULD, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT.
I WANNA SAY THAT I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND THAT BECAUSE SOME OF THESE PEOPLE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND WITHOUT THEM, IT WOULD BE AWFUL.
WELL, WHAT, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS I WOULDN'T BE FOR TERM LIMITS BECAUSE UNDER THE DUE PROCESS, WE'RE ONLY SUPPOSED TO DEAL WITH WHAT'S PRESENTED.
SO, SO WHAT WAS PRESENTED 10 YEARS AGO DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING.
WHAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO KNOW IS HOW THE LAW, WHAT THE LAW
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IS, AND THAT YOU ACTUALLY, YOU DON'T GET HERE, YOU HAVE TO GO READ THE STATUTE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE HECK'S GOING ON.UH, IT TERM LIMITS DOES BIAS US SOMETHING, BUT PEOPLE HAVE TO BE EDUCATED IN THE LAW AND NOT SO MUCH EXPERIENCE DOESN'T COUNT UNDER THE DUE PROCESS IS THE WAY I SEE IT PERSONALLY.
I DON'T THINK WE REALLY HAVE A NEED FOR TERM LIMITS BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY THE, THE CONCERNS THAT YOU HAVE TERM LIMITS FOR, LIKE CORRUPTION AND STUFF LIKE THAT ARE REALLY A CONCERN HERE.
OR AT LEAST NOT THE WAY THIS IS STRUCTURED AND THE WAY THIS IS RAN.
SO I DON'T SEE A, A GOOD ENOUGH REASON TO CHANGE THE WAY WE DO THINGS AND TO MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT TO GET MORE PEOPLE ON.
I LIKE THAT ALSO TOO, INSTEAD OF TERMING OUT, WHY NOT EDUCATE? YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE NEW PEOPLE, NEW PEOPLE STRUGGLE.
THERE'S A, THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF IN, IN PACKET, THE AGENDAS THAT REFERS TO STATUTES THAT YOU HAVE TO GO READ BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN PRESENTED AND YOU DIDN'T KNOW THAT THEY EXISTED.
BUT, BUT, BUT NOW THEY, NOW THEY'RE IN THE CASE.
IN ORDER TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS, YOU HAVE TO GO READ IT.
WELL DO, DO WE, ARE WE SUPPOSED TO, I KNOW WE'RE SUPPOSED TO ONLY DISCUSS IT AMONG US IN A PARTICULAR CASE, AND WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DRIVE BY THE PROPERTY AND GO, OH YEAH, THIS IS RIGHT, THIS IS RIGHT.
AND COME TO, AND COME TO THIS MEETING.
SO WHEN I DROVE BY THIS, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HEAR EVERYTHING GLEAM EVERYTHING HERE.
EVERYTHING WE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT A PROJECT OR, UH, SHOULD BE, WE SHOULD GET IT HERE, NOT SOMEPLACE ELSE.
UM, SO, BUT I, I I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
IT'S THIS, WE'RE GOVERNED AS A BOARD BY A STATUTE.
WE'RE GOVERNED BY HOA RULES BECAUSE WE'VE GOT HOA CASES, YOU GOTTA GO READ IT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE HECK THEY'RE DOING.
BUT DIDN'T YOU GET THAT ON ORIENTATION? NO, NOT THAT STUFF.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE FAMILIAR WITH EVERY LAW THAT WE DEAL WITH.
UH, YOUR ROLE AS THE BOARD IS A FINDER OF FACT.
RIGHT? WE CITE 'EM FOR OVERGROWTH.
DID THE CITY SHOW OVERGROWTH OVER 12 INCHES? YES OR NO? IF THE ANSWER IS YES, DID WE CITE THE RIGHT PERSON? GIVE THEM DUE PROCESSES, DID WE SEND THEM A NOTICE? DID WE SEND THE NOTICE TO THE RIGHT PROPERTY? DID WE SEND THE NOTICE TO THE RIGHT PEOPLE? DID WE CITE THE RIGHT CODE? THAT'S DUE PROCESS.
ALL THE STUFF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS NOT DUE PROCESS.
WELL, I, I, IF THEN YOU GIVE THE RESPONDENT A CHANCE TO REBUT THAT, WELL THAT'S THE WRONG HOUSE.
SO I THINK A LOT OF TIMES THE BOARD, SOMETIMES CITY STAFF EVEN DOES, I EVEN WROTE ON THEIR LIT MOTIONS UP THERE.
THEIR THINGS STAY OUTTA THE WEEDS.
THERE'S THINGS THAT YOU, YOU, YOU'RE HERE TO DO.
THAT'S A GOOD, BUT I GUESS IN TERM OF TERM LIMITS THOUGH, RIGHT? UH, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING AS TERM LIMITS.
UH, I GUESS WE, WE HAD TO RE I HAD TO REAPPLY.
RIGHT? THERE'S A, SO I GUESS YOU GOTTA REAPPLY EVERY THREE YEARS.
NOW WHAT, SO THE CITY, THE CITY HAS AN OPTION TO BOOT YOU OFF.
SO THE CITY COUNCIL CAN ENFORCE A TERM LIMIT WITHOUT THEM HAVING ANY OTHER DISCUSSION.
THEY CAN SAY, AND I LAUGH AT THIS BECAUSE, UM, THE JULY OR THE, UH, JUNE 9TH CITY COUNCIL MEETING, THEY ASKED ME TO COME TO CELEBRATE MY 20 YEAR ANNIVERSARY.
AND I'M THINKING, OH GEEZ, I'VE BEEN HERE 20 YEARS.
AND THAT'S WHY THEY WANT TERM LIMITS.
I MEAN, UH, WHAT WAS, UH, MR. JACKSON, I MEAN, HE'S BEEN ON THE BOARD, BETTY, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO IS THE, SO IS THERE ANOTHER NO, ANOTHER LITTLE QUESTION THOUGH IS DO YOU DO BOARD MEMBERS STAY BECAUSE THEY KNOW IT'S SO DIFFICULT TO GET NEW MEMBERS SO THEY FEEL THE OBLIGATION OR THE NEED TO, TO STAY BECAUSE THERE'S NO ONE ELSE TO TAKE THE PLACE.
IT'S JUST THE LIGHTS ARE, UM, I NEED TO ASK A QUICK QUESTION.
IS THE FRONT DOOR OPEN? IS IT LOCKED? IT'S OPEN.
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YEP.THAT'S, SORRY, MY, MY RIDE IS HERE.
I NEED TO GO USE THE BATHROOM.
SO I THINK THE CITY HAS, THEY HAVE THE, THE CITY COUNCIL HAS THE PREROGATIVE.
THEY CAN BOOT YAF THAT WE HAVE TO FILE.
MAY I MAY I ALSO SAY THAT IF THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH THE PARTICULAR BOARD MEMBER, THE CITY HANDLES IT EXTREMELY WELL WITH, WITH, WITH TALKING TO THAT PERSON AND EXPLAINING TO THEM JUST HOW THINGS SHOULD BE, NOT ADVERSARIAL, BUT A GOOD EDUCATION.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE DON'T KNOW OR WE ASSUME THAT WE CAN DO.
AND WHEN WE REALLY CAN'T DO STUFF.
SO I AGREE WITH YOU THAT YES, THE, THE CITY, THE CITY CAN ASK YOU TO LEAVE, YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE NOT ACTING LIKE YOU SHOULD LEAVE, YOU ALREADY SERVE AT THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD.
SO WE SHOULD, OUR CODE, OUR CONDUCT, OUR ATTENDANCE, EVERYTHING SHOULD REFLECT UPON US WHETHER YOU GET RIGHT.
AND IF, AND IF RE APPOINTED IS A FAVORABLE REPRESENTATION OF WHAT THEY BELIEVE A BOARD MEMBER SHOULD BE, THEN YOU SHOULD STAY.
IF IT IS NOT, YOU SHOULD GO JUST LIKE ANYTHING ELSE.
SO, SO THERE'S NO NEED FOR A TERM LIMIT, IN MY OPINION, BECAUSE THAT RIGHT THERE SOLVES YOUR PROBLEM.
SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS COMPILE YOUR COMMENTS IN THIS DISCUSSION.
WE'LL GIVE 'EM TO THE CITY CLERK.
THERE'S, THERE'S NO YES OR NO.
YOU WANT US TO PUT A HAND UP FOR YES OR NO? NO.
FOR TERMS, NO, NO FOR TERMS, BUT HOW CAN, I MEAN, THE NOS HAVE A, I MEAN, IT ISN'T, I DIDN'T, WE KNOW, I SAID I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH TERM.
I'M NOT SAYING, I'M NOT SAYING I UNDERSTAND WE SHOULD HAVE TERM LIMITS.
WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT VOTING HERE, BUT OKAY.
DO WE REALLY? WE'RE WE'LL MAKE THE DISCUSSION WITH THE, WITH THE CITY CLERK.
WE'LL LET THEM KNOW WHAT YOU ALL THINK.
UH, THAT'S ALL THEY WANTED IS A DISCUSSION.
AND, YOU KNOW, THE CITY COUNCIL WILL REVIEW ALL THE BOARD'S INFORMATION AND MAKE A DECISION.
I THINK YOU MIGHT SUM IT UP THAT I THINK THIS BOARD WORKS.
AND IT WOULD, IT WOULD HURT ALL OF US IF SOMETHING WAS TO HAPPEN WITH SOMEBODY GETTING INTO TERM LIMITS AND THEN, WELL, THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO ME IN NEXT YEAR, OR THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO ME.
YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK THAT THAT'S JUST NOT THE RIGHT THING TO DO ON THE BOARD.
I, I THINK THERE'S A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF EXPERIENCE HERE THAT WE ALREADY HAVE WHEN WE BRING TWO NEW PEOPLE IN LIKE WE DID RECENTLY.
OVER TIME, THEY BECOME EXPERIENCED THEMSELVES A LONG TIME.
WHEN YOU TERM 'EM OUT, BY THE TIME THEY GET THAT EXPERIENCE RIGHT, THEY'RE GONE.
AND YOU, YOU GOT SOMEONE ELSE.
YOU GOTTA RETRAIN JUST LIKE WHAT THE CITY DOES WITH THEIR PEOPLE.
LIKE THEY DO, JUST LIKE THEY DO WITH THEIR ATTORNEYS OR THE DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
THEY DON'T TERM 'EM OUT WHEN THEY AGE OUT.
WHEN THEY AGE OUT, THEY PUT 'EM OUT IN THE FIELD.
AND WE'RE AGING OUT WITH, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE PASSING AWAY.
I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA TAKE CARE OF OUR OWN TERM LIMITS.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, TO ADJOURN.