[8. Ordinance No. 2026-24, Certificate of Engineering Construction Completion: (Second Reading/Public Hearing) An ordinance amending City Code Chapter 50, Article III; Appendix B, Article IX; and Appendix D, Chapter 3, Chapter 8, Chapter 9, and Chapter 10, related to referencing "Certificate of Engineering Construction Completion" in multiple sections of City Code (Applicant - City of Melbourne) (P&Z Board - 5/7/2026) (First Reading - 5/26/2026)]

WE'RE GOING TO GO TO UNFINISHED BUSINESS ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, ORDINANCE 2020 624. MR. CONNOLLY. THANK YOU, MAYOR. AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, RELATING TO CERTIFICATES OF COMPLETION, MAKING FINDINGS, AMENDING CHAPTER 50 OF THE CITY CODE ENTITLED STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, AMENDING SECTION 50-53 PERMITTING AMENDING APPENDIX B OF THE CITY CODE ENTITLED ZONING AMENDING ARTICLE NINE ZONING APPLICATIONS AND PROCEDURES AMENDING APPENDIX D, ENTITLED LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

AMENDING CHAPTER THREE CONCURRENCY AMENDING CHAPTER EIGHT SUBDIVISION CODE AMENDING CHAPTER NINE DESIGN STANDARDS AND BUILDING REGULATIONS. AMENDING CHAPTER TEN IMPACT FEES PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND INTERPRETATION, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND PROVIDING FOR AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE. THANK YOU. REPORT ON THIS IS MISS DITTMER. YES. CINDY DITTMER, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. I DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER TO ADD ON SECOND READING THIS EVENING. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS DITTMER? I SEE NONE. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE ANY SIGN UP SHEETS? THEN I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL. MAYOR.

GO AHEAD. SIR. MOTION FOR THE APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 2026-24. BASED UPON THE FINDINGS CONTAINED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEMORANDUM. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ITEM. EIGHT PLEASE ROLL A ROLL CALL. VOTE, PLEASE. COUNCIL MEMBER. BASSETT.

COUNCIL MEMBER. HANLEY. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. SMITH. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. LARUSSO. AYE.

COUNCIL MEMBER. NEUMANN. AYE. VICE MAYOR. KENNEDY. AYE. MAYOR ALFREY AND I VOTE AYE. AND

[9. Ordinance No. 2026-25: (Second Reading/Public Hearing) An ordinance proposing a referendum item for a charter amendment to Section 8.04 of the City Charter, authorizing City Council to delegate the duties of the Zoning Board of Adjustment to the Planning and Zoning Board. (First Reading - 5/26/2026)]

MOTION PASSES. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER NINE. IT'S GOING TO BE MR. CONNOLLY. THANK YOU.

MAYOR, THIS ORDINANCE NUMBER 2026-25, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, RELATING TO DELEGATION OF DUTIES OF THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD. MAKING FINDINGS. AMENDING SECTION 8.04, SUBSECTION SEVEN OF THE CITY CHARTER, PROVIDING FOR A REFERENDUM, ELECTION AND BALLOT LANGUAGE. SETTING FORTH A CHARTER AMENDMENT PROVIDING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL MAY DELEGATE THE DUTIES OF THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT TO THE ZONING COMMISSION, ALSO KNOWN AS THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD, PROVIDING FOR COORDINATION WITH THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS. PROVIDING FOR PUBLIC NOTICE OF THE REFERENDUM, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND PROVIDING AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE. THANK YOU. I DON'T HAVE MUCH TO ADD ON SECOND READING. I DID REALIZE ON FIRST READING WE MAY HAVE GLOSSED OVER SOME OF THE TEXT OF THE ORDINANCE, SO I'LL JUST POINT OUT ON PAGE FOUR, THERE'S THE BALLOT SUMMARY AND PROPOSED BALLOT TITLE. THOSE ITEMS DO COMPLY WITH THE WORD LIMIT, WORD COUNT, LIMITS OF THE STATE LAW. AND BEYOND THAT, I'LL STAND ON THE DISCUSSION WE HAD

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AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING. ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE ABOUT THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE, ITS ITS EFFECT, OR WHAT THE NEXT STEPS ARE AFTER THIS. OKAY. ANYTHING? OKAY.

ANYTHING. ANYTHING ELSE? DO WE NEED ANYTHING ELSE? WE'RE GOOD. NO MAYOR AGAIN. RIGHT. THIS WAS COUNCIL'S DIRECTION. I DON'T HAVE A PARTICULAR RECOMMENDATION, SO I'LL TAKE COUNCIL'S DIRECTION. IF YOU NEED HELP WITH A MOTION. I'M HAPPY TO ASSIST. I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION. I JUST THOUGHT THERE'S A PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. YOU ARE ACTUALLY YOU ARE CORRECT. THIS PUBLIC HEARING. ANY SIGN UP SHEETS? NO. SIGN UP SHEET. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. GO AHEAD, MR. NEWMAN. THANK YOU, SIR. MOTION FOR THE APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 2026-25. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND ON THIS. GO AHEAD AND ROLL CALL. VOTE, PLEASE. COUNCIL MEMBER BASSETT. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. HANLEY. NAY. COUNCIL MEMBER. SMITH. AYE.

COUNCIL MEMBER. LARUSSO. NO. COUNCIL MEMBER. NEWMAN. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. KENNEDY. I'M SORRY, VICE MAYOR KENNEDY. OKAY, MAYOR ALFREY, I VOTE AYE. THAT MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU.

[10. Work Order No. 26-01 to the contract for Asphalt and Milling Annual Resurfacing Program for the Longwood Subdivision Road Resurfacing and Restoration, Project No. 64324, V.A. Paving, Inc., Cocoa, FL - $1,800,000.]

MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER TEN. IN A MOMENT, THIS IS GOING TO BE IN THE NEW BUSINESS REPORTING ON THIS IS MR. HOW ARE YOU DOING, SIR? GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL. JAMES DENNIS, CITY ENGINEER. THIS WORK ORDER IS FOR WORK ORDER 26-01 TO THE CONTRACT FOR PAVING, INC. COCOA FLORIDA FOR THE LONGWOOD SUBDIVISION ROAD RESURFACING AND RESTORATION PROJECT. THE ROADWAY SURFACES WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION HAVE EFFECTIVELY HIT THE END OF THEIR LIFE. THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN REVIEWING THE ROADWAYS. WE DID SOME GEOTECHNICAL INVESTIGATION. BASED ON THAT, WE'RE GOING TO BE RESURFACING THE ENTIRE 2.7 MILES OF ROADWAY WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION WITH 1.65 MILES OF THAT REQUIRING FULL DEPTH BLACK BASE INSTALLATION, WHICH IS BASICALLY A REPLACEMENT OF THE STRUCTURAL LAYER OF THE ROADWAY.

SO EFFECTIVELY IN THOSE AREAS, WE'LL HAVE APPROXIMATELY 5.5IN TO SIX INCHES OF ASPHALT THAT'LL BE INSTALLED FOR THE ROAD. THIS RESTORATION WILL BASICALLY PROVIDE A NEW ROADWAY SURFACE THAT SHOULD LAST THE SUBDIVISION FOR AT LEAST 20 PLUS YEARS. BASICALLY BRING THE SUBDIVISION ITSELF UP TO ADA COMPLIANCE WITH THE SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS THAT WILL BE ASSOCIATED WITH IT. IN THE EXAMPLE ON THE OVERHEAD, THE AREAS IN THE RED HASHED LOCATIONS ARE THE LOCATIONS OF ROADWAY THAT REQUIRE FULL DEPTH BLACK BASE. THE REMAINING PORTION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS JUST A STRAIGHT TWO INCH MILL AND RESURFACE LIKE WE DO WITH MOST OF THE OTHER ROADWAYS. THE CONTRACTOR WILL HAVE 270 DAYS FROM THE NOTICE OF COMMENCEMENT TO COMPLETE THE WORK INCLUDED UNDER THIS WORK ORDER. THE PROJECT WAS INITIALLY CREATED IN 2024, WITH FUNDING FOR THE DESIGN AND GEOTECHNICAL INVESTIGATION. FUNDING FOR CONSTRUCTION WAS PLACED INTO THE FISCAL YEAR 2026 RESURFACING PROGRAM AND ADMINISTRATIVE TRANSFER IN THE AMOUNT OF $1.8 MILLION IS NOW NECESSARY TO TRANSFER THE FUNDS FROM THE 2026 RESURFACING PROGRAM. 68026 INTO THE LONGWOOD SUBDIVISION ROAD RESURFACING AND RESTORATION PROJECT NUMBER 64324. WE'RE REQUESTING APPROVAL OF WORK ORDER 26-01 TO THE CONTRACT WITH VA PAVING INCORPORATED OF COCOA, FLORIDA FOR THE LONGWOOD SUBDIVISION ROAD RESURFACING AND RESTORATION PROJECT NUMBER 64324 AND THE NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT OF $1.8 MILLION. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MAYOR? GOOD SIR. OH, I'M SORRY, IT'S YOUR DISTRICT. PLEASE, I VICE MAYOR, I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER RUSSO. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I KNOW THAT THE RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS AND WAITING FOR THEIR ROADS TO GET BETTER. SO THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK. BUT MY QUESTION IS, AND I'M IN COMPLETE SUPPORT OF IT. BUT THE $1.8 MILLION IS THAT FROM THE MONEY WE ALREADY HAVE GEARED TOWARDS OR ALREADY HAVE SET ASIDE FOR ROADS? OR IS THIS IN ADDITION TO YES, MA'AM. THIS THE FUNDING IS GOING TO BE ADMINISTERED ADMINISTRATIVELY, TRANSFERRED OUT OF THE RESURFACING BUDGET INTO THE SPECIFIC PROJECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. YOU HAD SOMETHING, SIR. THANK YOU. HEY, JAMES. HOW ARE YOU DOING TONIGHT? DOING WELL, SIR. YOU'RE LOOKING GOOD.

OKAY, THE THE REPAVING WAS THIS RUN PAST OUR NEW CONSULTANT NOW, OR IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE JUST. WE PLANNED ON THIS FOR A WHILE. THIS HAS BEEN IN THE WORKS FOR QUITE A WHILE. WE DIDN'T NEED THE NEW CONSULTANT FOR THIS AT THE TUNE OF, WHATEVER, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS. CORRECT. THIS WAS PREVIOUSLY IDENTIFIED AS PART OF THE THE WORK PROGRAM, I BELIEVE IT'S 2021 IS WHEN WE SORRY, IT WAS CREATED IN 2024. SO THIS WAS BEFORE THE PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT AND ASSESSMENT PROGRAM THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING. IN THIS CASE, WE HAD

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BASE FAILURES THAT WERE EVIDENT WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS ALSO WHY WE'RE HAVING TO DO THE BLACK BASE REPLACEMENT. SO BASICALLY IN THERE, WE KNOW THAT THE BASE FAILED. SO WE'RE GOING TO BE CUTTING OUT APPROXIMATELY SIX INCHES OF ROADWAY AND COMING BACK WITH ASPHALT, MOSTLY BECAUSE IT'S A LOT IT'S A FASTER APPROACH TO CONSTRUCTION. WE CAN'T AFFORD TO HAVE A SIX INCH GAP RIPPED OUT OF THE THE NEIGHBORHOOD ROADWAYS FOR SEVERAL MONTHS TO REPLACE IT. RIGHT. ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THE FACT THAT THE THAT OUR NEW CONSULTANT HASN'T REVIEWED THIS AT ALL? PARDON? ARE YOU COMFORTABLE THAT OUR NEW CONSULTANT HAS NOT.

HAS NOT? YES, SIR. PROVIDED ANY INPUT INTO THIS. YES, SIR. WE WE KNEW THERE WAS BASE FAILURE IN THIS AREA, AND THAT'S WHY THE ENTIRE PROJECT WAS IDENTIFIED AS SUCH. SO I'M CONFIDENT THAT WE DON'T NEED TO. THIS WASN'T GOING TO NEED TO BE REASSESSED BY OUR CONSULTANT BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT IT HAS FAILED. IF OUR CONSULTANT HAD REASSESSED IT, I WOULD EXPECT THAT THEIR REPORT WOULD GENERATE WHAT WE ALREADY KNOW FOR THAT PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH WAS THE FAILURE OF THE BASE. AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'D BE ASSESSING THERE COMPLETELY. YOU KNOW, THIS THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE HIGH TRAFFIC. SO WE'RE A LITTLE BIT MORE AWARE OF IT. SURE. WHICH IS WHY WE WERE ABLE TO DO THIS PROJECT. THAT'S GREAT. JAMES, YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT THE CONSULTANT AND YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT THE MONEY BEING TAKEN AWAY OUT OF THAT BUDGET INTO THE CONSULTANT'S HANDS. SO I JUST WANTED TO FIND OUT FROM YOU WHETHER YOU FELT COMFORTABLE ENOUGH IN MOVING FORWARD WITHOUT HAVING THE CONSULTANT REVIEW ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO DO THIS YEAR AND NEXT YEAR FOR REPAVING PROCESSES. ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT, SIR? I IF I'M NOT SURE THE QUESTION, JAMES, LET ME JUMP IN HERE FOR A SECOND, IF YOU DON'T MIND, IF YOU WOULD WE AS FAR AS ENGINEERING, WE WE WERE STILL WORKING OFF OF THE TEN YEAR OLD OR 11 YEAR OLD PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PLAN. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IDENTIFIED.

WE'VE JUST FINALLY GOTTEN TO IT. WE'VE WE'VE HAD ENOUGH FUNDING. AND AS JAMES SAID, WE'VE ALREADY DONE THE GEOTECHNICAL REVIEW. I DON'T THINK THAT AT THIS POINT WE'RE WE'RE INVESTED IN THIS PROJECT. WE KNOW THAT IT HAS BASE FAILURE. IT'S TIME TO REPAVE IT. OUR PLAN IS NOT TO RUN EVERY SINGLE PROJECT THROUGH THE NEW CONSULTANT BECAUSE WE KNOW WHAT WE. WE ALREADY HAVE A LIST OF ROADS THAT HAVE FAILURES OR THAT ARE IN IMMEDIATE NEED. YEAH. SO IN, IN THIS CASE, OKAY, JUST TO KIND OF ADD WITH MISS LIMA SAID, IS THE PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PLAN ITSELF WILL HELP PROVIDE A NEW PRIORITIZATION LIST BASED ON, YOU KNOW, THE FURTHER DETERIORATION THAT WE'VE HAD CITYWIDE ACROSS THE PAST, YOU KNOW, 10 TO 12 YEARS IN THIS CASE, BECAUSE WE'VE HAD SO MUCH BASE FAILURE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. I MEAN, MORE THAN HALF THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S ROADS HAVE THE HAVE BEEN IN WHERE THE BASE HAS FAILED COMPLETELY AND REQUIRES REPLACEMENT. THAT ALLOWED THIS TO BE KIND OF LOW HANGING FRUIT FOR US TO IDENTIFY AND MOVE A PROJECT FORWARD WHOLEHEARTEDLY FOR THIS PROJECT. I REALLY AM, AS YOU CAN TELL, I'M TRYING TO BACK END, YOU KNOW, ON THE CONSULTANT PROJECT PROCESS, WHICH I DID NOT AGREE WITH. AND THAT WAS CLEAR IN PUBLIC MEETING. SO THANKS, JAMES. I APPRECIATE ALL YOUR HARD WORK. YOU DID A GREAT JOB ON THIS. THANK YOU. OKAY. YEAH. ANYTHING ELSE? ONE MORE THING TO ADD, JAMES. QUITE A BIT OF THIS PROJECT HAS THE ROADS FAILING.

THE PART THAT DOES NOT SEEMS TO BE IN THE FRONT OF THE COMMUNITY. MAYBE THE FRONT EAST.

ARE WE CONFIDENT THAT THOSE ARE NOT FAILING AS WELL? YES, MA'AM. WE DID SOME FAIRLY SUBSTANTIAL GEOTECHNICAL TESTING. FANCY WAY OF JUST SAYING WE DRILL HOLES IN THE ROAD TO MAKE SURE THAT THE UNDERLYING MATERIAL IS STILL ADEQUATE FOR A TYPICAL ROADWAY. THE TOP COUPLE INCHES OF ASPHALT IS ALMOST A CANDY SHELL. THE STRUCTURAL VALUE FOR THE ROAD IS ACTUALLY THE BASE ROCK UNDERNEATH IT. IN THE AREAS WHERE THIS HAS FAILED, THAT THAT BASE ROCK HAS IS NO LONGER PERFORMING AS INTENDED. IT'S EITHER BROKEN DOWN. THERE'S BEEN WATER TABLE ISSUES THAT HAVE CAUSED THE FINES TO WASH OUT, OR IT WASN'T CONSTRUCTED CORRECTLY IN THE FIRST PLACE, AND IT'S JUST NOT ABLE TO SUPPORT WHAT THE CURRENT ROADWAY LOADS ARE FOR IT. IN THE AREAS THAT WE DO NOT HAVE BLACK BASE SELECTED FOR USE, WE'RE CONFIDENT THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEE A BASE FAILURE IN THE FUTURE, AND THAT PUTTING THAT TWO INCHES OF ASPHALT BACK WILL PROVIDE A EFFECTIVELY A PROTECTIVE COVER FOR THE UNDERLYING BASE MATERIAL THAT WILL ALLOW US TO GET ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, 20 YEARS OF 20 PLUS YEARS OF USE OUT OF THE ROADWAYS. THANK YOU. OKAY. IS THERE ANY ANYTHING ELSE? YEAH. THE ONLY THING I'LL ADD JUST FOR THE MINUTE, IF YOU JUST MAKE SURE ON THE ITEM REPORT CHAPPARAL JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT UPDATED BECAUSE IT HAS. CHAPERA. SO IT'S. CHAPPARAL. JUST IT JUST FOR THE MEET MINUTES FOR NEXT. NEXT TIME IF YOU WOULD. OKAY. DO WE HAVE AN ACTION ON THIS MAYOR?

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GO AHEAD MA'AM, I MOVE THE APPROVAL OF WORK ORDER NUMBER 2601 TO THE CONTRACT WITH VA PAVING, INC. COCOA FLORIDA FOR THE LONGWOOD SUBDIVISION ROAD RESURFACING RESTORATION PROJECT NUMBER 64324. IN THE NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT OF $1,800,000. SECOND, WE HAVE WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A MOTION. SECOND, BY MR. MOTION BY THE VICE MAYOR, SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER LARUSSO. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE AYE, AND THAT MOTION

[11. CONSENT AGENDA:]

PASSES. MOVING ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. ITEMS A THROUGH D, NOTHING WAS PULLED. WE HAVE ANY WE HAVE A MOTION. GOOD MAN. I I I REQUEST APPROVAL OF CONSENT AGENDA A THROUGH D.

SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED. VOTE AYE.

AND THAT MOTION PASSES. I JUST HAD A QUESTION ON THAT MOTION. I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION WHEN I TALKED TO JENNY. I MEAN WE HAD TO AMEND THAT. I MADE A MISTAKE. OH. OH SORRY. IT WAS IF NUMBER NINE DIDN'T PASS, WE NEEDED TO AMEND IT. SO THAT WAS MY MISTAKE. OH THANK YOU JENNY.

[13. Ordinance No. 2026-26, Zoning Text Amendment CB-OZ Extension Request: (First Reading/Public Hearing) An ordinance amending City Code, Appendix B, Article V, Section 3(B) Central Business Overlay Zone, extending the zone for 4.25 acres. (Applicant - Kelly Delmonico, Land Development Strategies) (P&Z Board - 5/21/2026)]

APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. SO ITEM 12 THERE WAS NOTHING PULLED. SO WE'RE MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 13. ORDINANCE 2020 626 MR. CONLEY SIR. THANK YOU. MAYOR. AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA RELATING TO THE EXPANSION OF THE CENTRAL BUSINESS OVERLAY ZONE, MAKING FINDINGS, AMENDING APPENDIX B OF THE CITY CODE ENTITLED ZONING AMENDING ARTICLE FIVE, DISTRICT REGULATIONS, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND INTERPRETATION, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE, AND PROVIDING AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE. THANK YOU.

REPORTING ON THIS IS MR. DITTMER. YES. SO THIS IS THE FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CITY CODE, APPENDIX B, ARTICLE FIVE, SECTION THREE, B FOR THE CENTRAL BUSINESS OVERLAY ZONE AS IT RELATES TO EXTENDING THE C, B, O, Z OVERLAY BOUNDARIES. AND I THINK YOU GUYS CAN ALL SEE THE SLIDES. I JUST NOT HERE. SO YOU'RE ALL ON, RIGHT? YEAH. OKAY. SO I WANTED TO JUST GIVE EVERYBODY JUST A REALLY QUICK HISTORY. WE STARTED THE CENTRAL BUSINESS OVERLAY ZONE IN 2014. CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THAT. AND IT ESSENTIALLY WAS APPROVED AS THE SAME BOUNDARIES AS AS THE DOWNTOWN CRA AND THE DOWNTOWN EAU GALLIE CRA IN EAU GALLIE.

WE EXCLUDED THE OVERLAY DISTRICT, BUT ESSENTIALLY THIS OVERLAY ZONE, WE APPLIED SORT OF A DIFFERENT, MORE UNIQUE SET OF DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, TRYING TO ENCOURAGE MORE REDEVELOPMENT, MIX OF USES, MORE DENSE AND INTENSE REDEVELOPMENT IN THE CRAS, AND ESSENTIALLY THE CBOS HELPS THOSE UNDERLYING ZONING DISTRICTS. SO NOT EVERY PROPERTY IN BOTH CRAS OR ZONE C THREE, WHICH IS OUR HIGHER INTENSITY AND DENSITY ZONING DISTRICT. SO THE INTENT WAS TO TO ADD ADDITIONAL ALLOWANCES FOR A C1 ZONED OR C2 ZONED PROPERTY THAT WAS IN THE CRA. SO JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT, VERY BRIEFLY, THE ALLOWANCES THAT YOU GAIN BY BEING IN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS OVERLAY ZONE RELATE TO DIFFERENT PARKING RELAXATIONS, SMALLER PARKING SPACE WIDTHS, ELIMINATION OF ADDITIONAL PARKING WHEN YOU CHANGE USE. SO IF YOU HAVE AN EXISTING BUILDING, BUT YOU WANT TO GO FROM AN OFFICE TO A RESTAURANT, AND THERE'S ADDITIONAL PARKING REQUIREMENTS THAT CAN BE ALLOWED TO HAPPEN IN THE C, B, O, Z WHERE IT CAN'T. IF YOU'RE NOT IN THE C, B, O, Z AND YOU'RE OUTSIDE THE CRA, DIFFERENT SETBACK ALLOWANCES, AGAIN, TRYING TO PROMOTE BUILDINGS MOVING UP TO THE FRONT OF THE ROADWAY INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, MAXIMIZING AND USING LARGER SETBACKS. THIRD ONE THERE ON C1 AND C2 ZONED LOTS, WE HAVE THE PROVISION WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY GAIN AN ADDITIONAL ONE STORY ADDED TO THE FOUR STORIES THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED IN THOSE ZONING DISTRICTS. IF YOU HAVE MIXED USE TYPE DEVELOPMENTS. ALSO OUTDOOR SEATING ALLOWANCE, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE OUTDOOR SEATING. THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT YOU'RE PARKING MAY BE ON SITE. SO THOSE ARE THE CURRENT ALLOWANCES THAT WE'RE GETTING READY TO TALK ABOUT. THE REQUEST THAT THE APPLICANT HAS MADE TO EXTEND THE CBO'S ZONE. ESSENTIALLY SEVERAL PARCELS NORTH OF CITY HALL. IT'S A TOTAL OF FOUR AND A QUARTER ACRES CONTAINING 11 PROPERTIES. AND I'LL FLIP TO THE MAP IN A SECOND, BUT IS ESSENTIALLY NORTH OF PALMETTO, EAST OF WAVERLY, SOUTH OF FEE AVENUE AND WEST OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS. SO JUST SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THE GRAY AREA THERE, THAT'S THE ENTIRE DOWNTOWN MELBOURNE. CRA. SO THE CBO'S TODAY APPLIES TO ALL OF THAT AREA WITHIN THE C, THE CRA.

THIS IS NOW JUST ZOOMED IN ON THE NORTH BORDER OF THE DOWNTOWN CRA. AND THOSE AREAS

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SHOWN IN THE RED HATCHING ARE THE 11 PROPERTIES THAT ARE BEING REQUESTED TO AMEND THE TEXT TO BRING THOSE INTO THE ALLOWANCE FOR THE CENTRAL BUSINESS OVERLAY ZONE, OUR DOWNTOWN BOUNDARY. FOR WHATEVER REASON, I WASN'T HERE IN 1982. THEY IT'S SORT OF SAWTOOTH ON THAT NORTHERN END, YOU KNOW, AND AND SO THIS SORT OF CLEANS UP NOT THAT WE'RE CHANGING THE CRA BOUNDARY, BUT IT EXTENDS THAT BOUNDARY INTO SEVERAL BLOCKS. AS YOU GO UP TO FEE AVENUE THERE. ONE OF THE OTHER LITTLE UNIQUE THINGS AS WELL IS THAT WE HAVE WHAT'S CALLED ACTIVITY CENTERS THAT ARE DEFINED WITHIN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE DOWNTOWN MELBOURNE CRA IS CALLED THE DOWNTOWN MELBOURNE ACTIVITY CENTER, BUT NORTH OF THERE WE HAVE AN AREA CALLED THE MIDTOWN ACTIVITY CENTER. AND THAT WAS REALLY THE BOUNDARY OF OUR FORMER BABCOCK STREET CRA. WITH THE ADDITION OF ALL THE PROPERTY EASTWARD, BASICALLY TO THE RIVER AND ALL THE WAY TO THE NORTH EXTENT UP AT BABCOCK AND U.S. ONE. THAT WAS AN ACTIVITY CENTER, AND IT STILL IS CALLED THE MIDTOWN ACTIVITY CENTER. AND SO AS I SHOW YOU THIS NEXT MAP, SO YOU SEE THE RED HIGHLIGHTED PARCELS, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE EXPANDING.

BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT ACTUALLY THE EXPANSION IS ACTUALLY GOING INTO THE MIDTOWN ACTIVITY CENTER VERSUS THE DOWNTOWN MELBOURNE ACTIVITY CENTER. AND THE REASON THAT IS DIFFERENT IS THAT THE DOWNTOWN MELBOURNE ACTIVITY CENTER ALLOWS YOU UP TO 100 UNITS AN ACRE, A SIX FLORIDA AREA RATIO. SO STILL MUCH HIGHER INTENSITY ALLOWANCES WHERE THESE PROPERTIES COMING IN, THEY'LL BE IN THE MIDTOWN ACTIVITY CENTER. THEY'RE PERMITTED 30 UNITS AN ACRE AND A TWO FLORIDA AREA RATIO. SO I JUST WANT COUNCIL TO UNDERSTAND THE CONTEXT. WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE UNDERLYING ZONING OR DENSITY INTENSITY ALLOWANCE FOR THESE NEW PROPERTIES. IT'S SIMPLY THOSE DEFINED ALLOWANCES IN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS OVERLAY ZONE.

AND SO WITH THAT, THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD DID VOTE UNANIMOUSLY ON MAY 21ST FOR THE PROPOSED CHANGES, AND STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL ORDINANCE NUMBER 2026-26. BASED UPON THE FINDINGS CONTAINED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEMORANDUM. OKAY. THANK YOU.

ANY QUESTIONS FROM MISS DITTMAR? MAYOR. MAYOR. MR. LARUSSO, THEN MR. SMITH, MR. RUSSO, THANK YOU.

YEAH. AGE BEFORE. BEAUTY. BEAUTY. I THINK IT'S AWESOME. REALLY PHENOMENAL THAT WE'RE EXPANDING OUR OPPORTUNITIES WITHIN OUR CRA LOCATIONS. I THINK THIS IS A WELL THOUGHT OUT PLAN AND WELL DESIGNED TO ACCEPT ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES WITHIN CRAS. WE KNOW THE CRA IS PART OF THE HEART OF OUR VERY CITY'S. SO I'M I'M ALL ON BOARD WITH IT. AND I APPRECIATE YOUR HARD WORK ON THIS AS WELL TOO. CINDY. I KNOW THIS WASN'T EASY, YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S YOU GOT TO MANEUVER THROUGH THE THROUGH THE RAPIDS AND, YOU KNOW, ALL THE OPPORTUNITIES AND. RIGHT.

AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, I DON'T KNOW IF I SAID IT THAT CLEARLY, BUT THERE'S AN APPLICANT THAT DID REQUEST THIS EXTENSION. AND SO STAFF WAS RESPONDING TO, TO THAT REQUEST, BUT WE WILL NOT BE CHANGING ANY CRA BOUNDARIES. WE'RE JUST EXTENDING THAT CRA AREA. IT'S DEFINITELY AN AREA THAT'S RIPE FOR REDEVELOPMENT. SO THIS WILL HELP. AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHERE I WAS GOING WITH IT AS WELL TOO. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THANK YOU TO THE APPLICANTS WHEREVER THEY ARE. OKAY. MR. SMITH? YES, SIR. NO. GREAT PRESENTATION. I GUESS MY QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH ACTIVITY CENTERS IN GENERAL ARE AS A CITY OR ACTIVITY CENTERS ONLY RELATED TO CRAS, OR DO WE HAVE OTHER ACTIVITY CENTERS OUTSIDE OF THESE DEFINED AREAS? WE DO HAVE OTHER ACTIVITY CENTERS. THE OTHER MAJOR ONE OTHER THAN THE EAU GALLIE ACTIVITY CENTER, THE DOWNTOWN MELBOURNE ACTIVITY CENTER AND THE MIDTOWN ACTIVITY CENTER, WE HAVE THE PLATTE RANCH ACTIVITY CENTER, WHICH IS THE 4000 ACRES OF THE PLATTE PROPERTY OUT ON OUR WEST EDGE OF TOWN. SO WE. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT IS. CRAS AND ACTIVITY CENTERS DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE TO GO TOGETHER. THEY. THEY CAN. THEY CAN JUST BE DEFINED. SO. SO WITH THAT, THAT MEANS THAT THERE ISN'T ONE LIKE IN DISTRICT ONE, THE THE WICKHAM BUSINESS DISTRICT OR. NO, SIR. I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THE OTHER BUSINESSES AROUND THE AIRPORT WHEN MLK AND THOSE THINGS. SO THERE'S NO THERE'S NO DEFINED ACTIVITY CENTERS YET FOR THOSE AREAS. CORRECT. OKAY. THERE YOU GO. GO AHEAD SIR. AND I ALSO JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU GUYS. I MET WITH KELLY AND YOU GUYS EARLIER. AND THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH FOR MAKING THIS

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HAPPEN. REALLY MEANS A LOT AND SHOWS WE CAN DO GREAT THINGS IN THE CITY WHEN WE WORK TOGETHER.

SO THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY ANY, ANY OTHER. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND WE HAVE A COUPLE SIGN UP SHEETS. ARE YOU JUST HERE? KELLY FOLLOWED BY ETHAN. ARE YOU JUST HERE TO SPEAK OR ARE YOU HERE FOR QUESTIONS OR MORE THAN WELCOME QUESTIONS? COME UP FOR ONE. OKAY. GOOD TO SEE YOU AS ALWAYS. HOW ARE YOU DOING? GOOD EVENING. GOOD. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE TONIGHT. KELLY DELMONICO I AM THE APPLICANT FOR TONIGHT'S CODE AMENDMENT I DID BRING BEFORE ME. I MOSTLY JUST WANTED TO INTRODUCE WE HAVE ROBERT AND CHRISTY HERE.

THEY ARE THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND BUSINESS OWNERS OF I CALL, YOU KNOW, OLD FLAMINGO PRINTERS AT THE CORNER OF WAVERLY AND LINCOLN. AND THEY'RE KIND OF RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS AREA THAT WE'RE SEEKING THIS MINOR EXPANSION TO THE CENTRAL BUSINESS OVERLAY ZONE HAD A LOT OF THINGS I SAID TO P AND Z, I DON'T THINK I HAVE TO SAY A WHOLE LOT HERE. WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, BUT BASICALLY WE JUST WANT THEM TO BE ABLE TO BE TREATED THE SAME AS ALL OF THEIR NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH. WHEN IT COMES TO REUSING EXISTING BUILDINGS, THERE'S ON STREET PARKING. THEY HAVE A VERY LOW STAFF COUNT AT THEIR OFFICE, AND THEY JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE. SO WE'RE HOPING FOR YOUR APPROVAL TONIGHT, AND ANY OF US ARE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISTER MONACO? NO. ALL RIGHT. ETHAN, DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK, SIR? COME ON UP, SIR. THANK YOU. COUNCIL. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I, I APPRECIATED HEARING THEIR THEIR PRESENTATION AT PLANNING AND ZONING AND I WAS NOT A VOTING MEMBER. SO AS EDUCATION REPRESENTATIVE, I JUST HEAR MY OWN RIGHT TONIGHT. I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THE IDEA OF EXPANDING THE AVAILABLE EXEMPTIONS FOR ZONING IN OLDER AREAS. IT IS VERY MUCH THE CASE IN A LOT OF CITIES WITH SUBSTANTIAL AREAS OF HISTORICAL DEVELOPMENT, THAT ZONING CODES THAT WERE DESIGNED TO HELP MAKE NEW DEVELOPMENT EFFECTIVE AND EFFICIENT AND COMPETENT FOR NEW OWNERS IS EXTREMELY RESTRICTIVE ON PROPERTY OWNERS IN OLDER AREAS. SO LOOKING AT THE ACTIVITY CENTERS AT THE OVERLAY DISTRICT, JUST IT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU SEEK ANY CHANCES TO CONTINUE EXPANDING EXEMPTIONS TO INCREMENTAL DEVELOPMENT AND TO UTILIZATION OF EXISTING BUILDINGS. THANK YOU. AND I WOULD AGREE. THANK YOU. APPLICATION. ALL RIGHT. SO ANY ANY OTHER PUBLIC SPEAKERS? IF NOT, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. BRING BACK TO COUNCIL.

GOOD. SIR. MOTION FOR THE APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 2026-26. BASED UPON THE FINDINGS CONTAINED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEMORANDUM. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, WHERE MISS BASSETT. OKAY. MOTION SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE AYE. MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO ITEM

[14. Community Development Block Grant (CDBG) Fiscal Year 2026-2027 Annual Action Plan. (Public Hearing)]

NUMBER 14. THIS IS GOING TO BE REPORTING ON. THIS IS GOING TO BE MISS ABBY JOHNSON. GOOD EVENING COUNCIL. MY NAME IS ABBY JOHNSON. I'M THE MANAGER OF THE HOUSING AND IMPROVEMENT DIVISION. THAT'S PART OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, WHICH IS UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF MISS CINDY DIMMER. I WILL PRESENT A BRIEF SUMMARY OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT ACTION PLAN FOR FISCAL YEAR HUD FISCAL YEAR 2026 2020 727, WHICH BEGINS OCTOBER 1ST ANNUALLY. ACTION PLANS, WHICH DESCRIBE BOTH THE PROJECTS AND THE PEOPLE WHO WILL BE ASSISTED, ARE SUBMITTED TO THE FEDERAL HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT FOR APPROVAL. THE 2026 2027 COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT ALLOCATION THIS YEAR IS $611,305, AND IT'S AN INCREASE FROM LAST YEAR'S ALLOCATION BY $8,000 $8,246. EACH ACTION PLAN IS BUILT WITH COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AS AN INTEGRAL PART. COMMUNITY SURVEYS WERE CONDUCTED, PUBLIC MEETINGS WERE HELD TO INVITE AND ENGAGE MELBOURNE RESIDENTS. THE ITEM REPORT DENOTES DATES AND TIMES OF ALL PUBLIC PLACES. PUBLIC MEETINGS, WHICH BEGAN IN DECEMBER OF 2025. THE APPLICATION PERIOD OPENED IN JANUARY, JANUARY 14TH AND CLOSED FEBRUARY 15TH. APPROPRIATE STEPS WERE TAKEN TO ADVERTISE THE MEETINGS AND THEY WERE RUN IN FLORIDA. TODAY, IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THERE WERE MANY WORTHY ORGANIZATIONS AND PROJECTS FOR WHICH APPLICATIONS WERE SUBMITTED. BUT SIMPLY PUT, THE FUNDING THE CITY RECEIVES IS LIMITED. SO FOR EACH APPLICATION, THE CRITERIA MUST BE MET. METRICS

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ACHIEVED FOR PAST PERFORMANCES. AND WE ALSO MEASURE THE QUANTITY OF PEOPLE SERVED. ALL THESE THINGS ARE TAKEN INTO INTO PLACE, BUT TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT BY THE EVALUATION COMMITTEE AS WELL AS THE CITIZENS ADVISORY BOARD. THIS YEAR, AS IN YEARS PAST, THE BOARD SOUGHT TO SERVE AS MANY INCOME ELIGIBLE PERSONS AND HOUSEHOLDS AS EFFICIENTLY POSSIBLE. IN SUMMARY, ACTIVITIES RANGING FROM PUBLIC SERVICES TO HOUSING ACTIVITIES AND PUBLIC FACILITIES ARE BEING RECOMMENDED FOR FUNDING. AND AS DISCUSSED IN PREVIOUS YEARS, OUR FLOOR IS $20,000 THROUGH THE PUBLIC SERVICE ACTIVITIES ALONE. A MINIMUM OF 240 INDIVIDUALS WILL BE ASSISTED BEGINNING OCTOBER 1ST. THIS WILL. THIS WILL LOOK LIKE SCHOLARSHIPS FOR SUMMER CAMPS, YEAR ROUND EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS, PROGRAMS FOR HOMELESS PERSONS, PREVENTION SERVICES, YOUTH AGING OUT OF FOSTER CARE, AND YOUNG ADULTS, WHICH INVOLVES CASE MANAGEMENT AND EDUCATIONAL TRAINING THROUGH THE PUBLIC FACILITIES AND IMPROVEMENT CATEGORY. APPROXIMATELY 200 HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS WILL BE ASSISTED BY THE REHABILITATION OF ONE LOCATION, AS WELL AS THE EXPANSION OF THEIR PANTRY SERVICES AT A SEPARATE LOCATION FOR PROVIDENCE CONNECTS. THIS YEAR, WE WILL ALSO COMPLETE THE RIVERVIEW PARK RESTROOM, WHERE A MINIMUM OF 500 INDIVIDUALS WILL BENEFIT FROM THE INSTALLATION OF A PUBLIC RESTROOM IN LIEU OF THE PORTA POTTY. THEY'RE GREATLY APPRECIATED BY MANY IN THE HOUSING CATEGORY. THE HOMEOWNER HOUSING ACCESSIBILITY PROGRAM WILL BE LAYERED WITH OTHER FUNDING SOURCES, SUCH AS HOME OR CDBG, HOME OR SHIP, AND I'LL ADDRESS THAT FURTHER IN OUR HOME ACTION PLAN. ON AVERAGE, OUR DIVISION IS ABLE TO COMPLETE ABOUT 10 TO 12 REHAB REHABS A YEAR. SO TRYING TO KEEP IT JUST A TOUCH BRIEFER THIS YEAR. SO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PROJECTS AND ACTIVITIES FOR FEDERAL FISCAL YEAR 2020 627 FOR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT FUNDING WITHIN THE ACTION PLAN AUTHORIZING OUR CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTS AND THE. AN AUTHORIZATION TO EXECUTE ALL SUBRECIPIENT AGREEMENTS FOR PUBLIC SERVICE ACTIVITIES WITH NONPROFITS. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? MR. JOHNSON. NOPE. OKAY. PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE ANY SIGN UP SHEETS? WE DO HAVE A SIGN UP SHEET. OKAY. GOOD NEWS QUESTION. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. NEWS? NOPE. ACTUALLY, I'M GOING TO HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. COME ON UP. I'M NOT GOING TO LET YOU JUST SIT THERE AND NOT SAY NOTHING. ALL RIGHT? YES, SIR. SO MY QUESTION IS I WANT TO KNOW HOW THE GOING OUT THERE I SEE CONSTRUCTION. TELL ME ABOUT IT. YES. SO THIS MORNING THEY POURED THE THE FINAL PORTION OF THE SLAB. SO WE ARE UP AND RUNNING. PLEASE DRIVE BY APOLLO. YOU'LL SEE PROVIDENCE PLACE RISING FROM THE GROUND AHEAD OF SCHEDULE. WE PLAN TO OPEN NEXT JUNE. SO WE'VE GOT WONDERFUL PARTNERS IN THE COMMUNITY HAVE COME TOGETHER TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SUPPORT OF THIS COUNCIL AND OUR CITY. AND IT'S REALLY COMING TOGETHER. OUR OUR GRANT APPLICATION IS FOR THE ENHANCEMENTS OF THE SHARING CENTER FOOD PANTRY, WHICH IS EXPANDED WITH OUR EFFORTS. WE'RE. WE'RE SO GRATEFUL FOR THIS PARTNERSHIP. MEANWHILE, OUR OUR OUTREACH EFFORTS ARE ARE CONTINUING TO, TO BE SUCCESSFUL IN THIS NEW FORMAT.

AND WE FINALLY CLOSED ON FEE AVENUE. SO THAT WILL BE PART OF THE, THE, THE, THE, THE DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU JUST APPROVED ALLOWING FOR, FOR ZONING EFFORTS IN THAT AREA. SO WE'RE VERY GRATEFUL FOR THIS PARTNERSHIP. AND, AND YOU SEE ALL THESE AREAS WE'RE CONTRIBUTING AND MOVING FORWARD. YOU KNOW, I WILL SAY I CAN'T WAIT TILL NEXT YEAR TO SEE THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FINAL, THE, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING OPENING AND REALLY A MULTI YEAR PLAN COME TOGETHER AND JUST WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO COMMEND YOU FOR I'VE KNOWN HOW HARD YOU'VE WORKED AND SWEATED AND AND AND WORRIED AND CARED. SO YOU KNOW YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB AND WE'RE GETTING THERE. YEAH. I THANK YOU VERY MUCH MAYOR. AND IF I MAY SAY BASS COAST HEALTH FOUNDATION HAS REALLY STEPPED UP. COMMUNITY FOUNDATION HAS REALLY STEPPED UP. STEADY TOWN FOUNDATION STEPPED UP. IT'S A TESTAMENT TO OUR COMMUNITY, TO OUR CITY. WE COULDN'T WE

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COULDN'T DO IT THIS WAY WITHOUT THIS KIND OF COMMUNITY SUPPORT. SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.

WE'RE VERY GRATEFUL. THANK YOU SIR. OKAY, MAYOR. GO AHEAD SIR. MISS JOHNSON AND ALSO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT OFFICE. I JUST WANT TO COMMEND YOU ALL YOUR ATTENDANCE AT THE LAST ASSET MAPPING MEETING THAT WE HAD AT THE AT CEDA. AND I THINK YOU YOU WERE VERY WARM, RECEIVED AND YOU HAD SOME VERY POSITIVE COMMENTS. SO I JUST WANT TO PUBLICLY THANK YOU ALL FOR ATTENDING THAT MEETING. AS WE CONTINUE TO BUILD OUT. I WENT TO ANOTHER NONPROFIT MEETING TODAY DOWN IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY. AND SO AS THE CITY OF MELBOURNE CONTINUES TO LEAD THE WAY IN THOSE EFFORTS, YOUR PRESENCE WAS WAS DEFINITELY GREATLY APPRECIATED. SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, NOTHING ELSE. I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I'LL BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL. MAYOR. GOOD. SIR. MOTION FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE PROJECTS AND ACTIVITIES FOR FEDERAL FISCAL YEAR 2026-2027. CDBG FUNDING WITHIN THE ACTION PLAN. AUTHORIZATION TO EXECUTE ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTS AND AUTHORIZATION TO EXECUTE THE SUB RECIPIENT AGREEMENTS FOR FOR PUBLIC SERVICES ACTIVITIES WITH THE NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS AND MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING FOR NON PUBLIC SERVICES. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED. I

[15. HOME Investment Partnership Program (HOME) Fiscal Year 2026-2027 Annual Action Plan. (Public Hearing)]

VOTE AYE AND THAT MOTION PASSES. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 15 MISS JOHNSON. YES SIR. YES.

COUNCIL. BEFORE I BEGIN, I'D LIKE TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THE BLUE MEMO YOU MAY HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU. THE BLUE MEMO CONNECTS TO THE ITEM REPORT FOR HOME. SO WE'RE OKAY. WE'RE ALL TOGETHER AND HAVE OUR CORRECT DOCUMENTS. THANK YOU. I WILL GIVE YOU AN EQUALLY AS BRIEF OVERVIEW OF OUR HOME INVESTMENT PARTNERSHIPS PROGRAM. THE CITY OF MELBOURNE IS A MEMBER OF THE BREVARD COUNTY CONSORTIUM, WHICH INCLUDES PALM BAY COCOA, TITUSVILLE, BREVARD COUNTY AS THE LEAD. THIS MEANS THAT THE FUNDING FOR HOME IS FUNNELED THROUGH THE BREVARD COUNTY.

THIS YEAR. THE HUD FISCAL YEAR 2020 627. THE ALLOCATION FOR THE CITY OF MELBOURNE IS 250 $250,359.29. THERE ARE FOUR CATEGORIES OF ELIGIBLE FOR ALLOCATIONS THIS YEAR. I'LL TAKE IT WITH THE EASIEST ONE. WE DID NOT HAVE A CHODO APPLY FOR FUNDING IN A CHODO IS A COMMUNITY HOUSING DEVELOPMENT ORGANIZATION, SO THERE WAS NO APPLICANT IN THAT CATEGORY. AND SO WE SET THOSE DOLLARS ASIDE FOR FUTURE. THERE'S ALSO OUR ADMINISTRATIVE DOLLARS THAT HELP US TO MOVE OUR REHABS AND OTHER NEW CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS ALONE ALONG. AND THE ALLOCATION FOR THAT IS 18,000, 6440, $34.23. THE HOUSING ACTIVITIES THAT WILL THAT WILL BE ADMINISTERED BY THE HOUSING AND URBAN IMPROVEMENT DIVISION ARE. HURRICANE HARDENING PROGRAM AND AN ACCESSIBILITY PROGRAM. WE ARE FOCUSED ON HELPING OUR HOMEOWNERS REMAIN IN PLACE SO THEY CAN AGE IN PLACE AND AGE SAFELY. SO IN. IN SHORT, THAT IS THE THOSE ARE THE ALLOCATIONS AND I'LL REPEAT THEM AGAIN. HOMEOWNER OCCUPIED HURRICANE HOUSING HARDENING 100 000. HOMEOWNER OCCUPIED ACCESSIBILITY PROGRAMS 87,700 6948 THE CHODO SET ASIDE IN THE ADMIN. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO LET YOU KNOW THAT OUR REHAB PROGRAM TAKES MULTIPLE FUNDING SOURCES TO EXECUTE. SO IT'S NOT JUST HOME, IT'S NOT JUST CDBG. WE ALSO RECEIVE SHIP DOLLARS, THE STATE HOUSING INITIATIVES PROGRAM. AND THIS YEAR WE'RE SLATED TO RECEIVE ROUGHLY $610,000. SO THAT IS HOW WE ADVANCE OUR SUPPORT FOR MELBOURNE RESIDENTS HERE. SO I'LL I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS SHOULD YOU HAVE THEM. ANY QUESTIONS, MAYOR? GO AHEAD. SIR, I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, IF ANYBODY IN THIS ROOM HAS WRITTEN OUT A STORM, IT'S IT'S DARN SCARY. AND SO THE HARDENING OF THE HOMES AND I THINK THIS IS OUTSTANDING IN ITS NATURE. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR. YES, SIR. YEAH. YOU KNOW, AND ANYTHING ELSE. SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR THIS ITEM, MAYOR. ACTUALLY I TAKE THAT BACK. THIS PUBLIC HEARING? NO.

ANY SIGN UP TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? THANK YOU, MISS STEVENS, FOR KEEPING ME ONLINE.

THANK YOU. GOOD MAYOR. GOOD APPROVAL OF PROPOSED ACTIVITIES FOR FEDERAL FEDERAL FISCAL YEAR 2026 2027 FUNDING WITH THE ANNUAL ACTION PLAN AND AUTHORIZATION FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO SUBMIT FOR INCLUSION IN THE BREVARD COUNTY HOME CONSORTIUMS CONSOLIDATION ACTION PLAN FOR FISCAL YEAR 2020 627. WE HAVE A MOTION SECOND BY MR. NEWMAN. ALL THOSE

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IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE AYE, AND THAT MOTION PASSES. MOVING ON TO ITEM

[16. Resolution No. 4420: A resolution adopting second quarter budget recommendations for the City's Fiscal Year 2025-2026 budget.]

NUMBER 16. ROSS AGAIN. HOW ARE YOU DOING? GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL ROSS MCGINN DIRECTOR OF FINANCE. WELL FOR FOR RIGHT NOW. SORRY. GIVE ME ONE MOMENT AS I GET THIS CONNECTED. I BELIEVE IT'S STARTING TO SHOW ON THE SCREEN JUST JUST JUST FADES. ALL RIGHT.

IT DOES LOOK LIKE EVERYTHING'S WORKING PROPERLY. SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO START WITH RIGHT NOW IS OUR SECOND QUARTER BUDGET RESOLUTION FOR FISCAL YEAR 2026. MAIN THING I'D LIKE TO BEGIN LOOKING AT, AND IT DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE THAT ONE. TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES. I'VE GOT ON THAT SCREEN, BUT NOT THESE. GOOD. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS IS YOUR GENERAL FUND FINANCIAL CONDITION AT THE END OF FISCAL YEAR 2025. THAT'S OUR MOST RECENTLY COMPLETED ACT FOR YOU'LL NOTE ON PAGE 44, THERE WAS A DECREASE OF ABOUT $15.5 MILLION IN YOUR FUND BALANCE.

THIS WAS EXPECTED. WE DID UTILIZE PAST ONE TIME TRANSITORY REVENUES AND THE LIKE TO FUND CAPITAL PROJECTS SUCH AS STATION 72, SO THIS WAS NOTHING THAT WE WEREN'T EXPECTING. HOWEVER, WHEN WE LOOK AT ON THE FOLLOWING SLIDE. I'LL SWITCH TO THIS. ALL GOOD.

THIS WAS THE HISTORICAL LOOK AT WHAT YOUR FUND BALANCE IS COMPRISED OF. LOOKING AT THIS.

IF YOU WERE TO SEE IN 2024, YOU SAW THE HATCHED GREEN AMOUNT AT THE TOP, THERE WAS PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL. SO AT THAT POINT IN TIME, YOUR FUND BALANCE AND RESERVE POLICY ALLOWED FOR THE USE OF THOSE FUNDS FOR ONE TIME CAPITAL PROJECTS. AS THE AS WE SPOKE ABOUT PREVIOUSLY, BOTH THINGS LIKE STATION 72 AND SOME DEFERRED ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS WERE ALSO ADDED INTO USE OF THOSE FUNDS. BUT NOTICEABLY IN 2025, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT HATCHED GREEN SECTION UP AT THE TOP IS NOW ACTUALLY IN THE BOTTOM, REPRESENTING A -$4.2 MILLION BALANCE. SO IN OTHER WORDS, THERE ARE NO AVAILABLE FUNDS PER YOUR POLICY TO SPEND FOR EVEN ONE TIME CAPITAL PURCHASES IN YOUR GENERAL FUND CURRENTLY. NOW NOTICEABLY WITH. THE MAIN CULPRIT OF THAT IS DESPITE MOVING THOSE FUNDS FROM THE GENERAL FUND INTO YOUR CAPITAL PROGRAM. IF YOU LOOK AT THE ORANGE BAR IN THE CENTER THERE, THAT THAT INCREASED SUBSTANTIALLY, GOING FROM 24 TO 25. THAT IS YOUR OPEB, YOUR OTHER POST-EMPLOYMENT BENEFITS LIABILITY. YOU MIGHT RECALL THAT WE HAVE, IN ADDITION TO YOUR STANDARD OPERATING RESERVE, WHICH ENSURES APPROPRIATE LIQUIDITY FOR CITY FUNCTIONS, YOUR OPEB LIABILITY IS MEANT TO REPRESENT 75% OF YOUR FUTURE HEALTH CARE COSTS RELATED TO BENEFITS THAT WERE PROMISED TO THOSE RETIREES HIRED BEFORE 2011. THAT AMOUNT HAS SUBSTANTIALLY GROWN OVER THE PAST YEAR. AND TO BETTER ILLUSTRATE THAT POINT, I'LL DIRECT YOU TO THIS NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT GETS PREPARED BY AN ACTUARY AND IS REQUIRED BY GASB. IT HAS TO GO IN OUR FINANCIAL STATEMENTS, AND WE HAVE TO REPORT IT EACH YEAR. PRETTY NOTICEABLE TREND GOING FROM 2022 THROUGH 24 OF A DECREASE FROM THAT 19 MILLION DOWN TO 16.4. BUT MOST INCREDULOUSLY, YOU HAVE A 24 JUMP FROM 16 MILLION TO 28 MILLION. SO A NEAR DOUBLING OF YOUR OPEB LIABILITY, WHICH CAN BE INFORMED BY YOUR HEALTH CARE PREMIUMS THAT THOSE WHO RETIRE FROM THE CITY HAVE THE OPTION OF REMAINING ON THE HEALTH CARE PLAN. THE CITY FOR. AGAIN, THOSE WHO ARE PRIOR TO 20 2011 HAVE HALF OF THAT COVERAGE PAID FOR DIRECTLY BY THE CITY. THOSE COSTS HAVE GONE UP ASTRONOMICALLY OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS, AND WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THE SAME TYPE OF EXPENDITURES FOR THE FUTURE TODAY. SO WHEN YOU'RE A BOND RATING AGENCY AND YOU LOOK AT THE FINANCIAL HEALTH OF A CITY, THIS IS ONE OF THE MAJOR COMPONENTS THEY LIKE TO LOOK AT THAT THEY'VE BEEN FOCUSING IN ON IN RECENT YEARS. BECAUSE JUST LIKE PENSIONS, ABOUT A DECADE, DECADE AND A HALF AGO, MOST CITIES WERE NOT AWARE OF THE FULL FINANCIAL IMPACT OF THEIR PENSIONS. THIS IS THE NEXT AREA THAT THE BOND MARKETS AND RATING AGENCIES HAVE HONED IN ON AS LIABILITIES THAT CITIES MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE A GOOD HANDLE ON. THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE RESERVE, SO THAT WE CAN SHOW THAT WE ARE BEING FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE AND ENSURING THAT THOSE PAYMENTS CAN HAPPEN FOR THOSE FOLKS IN THE FUTURE. SO AGAIN, GOING FROM 16 MILLION TO 28 MILLION, JUMPING BACK FOR A SECOND, LOOKING AT THE SLIDE, THAT LARGE INCREASE IN THAT ORANGE PRIMARILY IS THE RESULT OF WHAT DROVE US INTO A NEGATIVE AVAILABLE FUND BALANCE FOR ONE TIME CAPITAL PURPOSES. NEXT SLIDE HERE. LOOKING AT YOUR 2026 REVENUES THUS FAR, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THOSE TEN, 11 OR SO REVENUE STREAMS RIGHT THERE, THAT REPRESENTS 80% OF YOUR GENERAL FUND BUDGET. SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ANY SIGNIFICANT MOVEMENT, IT WILL BE IN THESE GROUPS. WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR PER PROPERTY TAX, DOES LOOK LIKE IT'S COMING IN LINE WITH EXPECTATIONS. YOUR ELECTRIC UTILITY TAX AND FRANCHISE FEES HAVE EXCEEDED EXPECTATIONS. AND I'LL GET INTO WHY HERE IN A

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SECOND. YOUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT HALF CENT SALES TAX AND COMMUNICATION SERVICE TAX HAVE BEEN RATHER DISAPPOINTING EVEN WHEN WE WERE EXPECTING SOME LEVEL OF DECREASE. THESE HAVE GOTTEN A LITTLE BIT WORSE THAN EVEN OUR EXPECTATIONS HAD. AND THEN REALLY THE ONLY OTHER ONE OF NOTE THERE IS YOUR LOCAL OPTION GAS TAX, WHICH HAS ALSO SEEN SOME STRUGGLES, PRIMARILY THE STRUGGLES THAT WE'VE BEEN SEEING, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST, POPULATION BASED FORMULAS AREN'T KIND TO THE CITY. THAT'S NOT GROWING. OUR POPULATION HAS GROWN AT A MUCH MORE MODEST RATE THAN SOME OF OUR PEERS, LIKE IN THE COUNTY AND UNINCORPORATED VIERA, AS WELL AS IN PALM BAY. SO THIS WAS KIND OF A CONTINUATION OF THAT CONVERSATION. AND I'LL TOUCH ON THOSE HERE IN A SECOND. THIS IS YOUR ELECTRIC UTILITY TAX. THE BLACK DOTTED LINE REPRESENTS WHAT WE WERE BUDGETING FOR FOR THIS YEAR. WE WERE ANTICIPATING ABOUT $10 MILLION. AND AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE, THE BLUE SOLID LINE IS THE ACTUAL RECEIPTS AND COLLECTIONS THAT WE'VE HAD SO FAR. THE DOTTED BLUE LINE REPRESENTS WHAT WE ARE FORECASTING BASED ON THE COLLECTION RATE THAT WE'VE HAD AND HISTORICAL COLLECTION RATES THROUGH THIS TIME OF THE YEAR. SO WE DO EXPECT BY THE TIME WE REACH AROUND AUGUST, SEPTEMBER, THAT WE WILL EXCEED THIS BUDGET BY, BY A HEALTHY MARGIN AND TO ALSO LOOK AT FRANCHISE FEES. IT'S A RELATIVELY SIMILAR SITUATION. AGAIN, THE SOLID BLUE BAR REPRESENTS THE ACTUAL SO FAR.

AND IF WE CONTINUE ON THE CURRENT RATE OF COLLECTIONS, WE SHOULD SEE A POSITIVE VARIANCE IN BOTH OF THESE REVENUE STREAMS. NOW, WHERE DID THIS POSITIVE VARIANCE COME FROM? YOU MIGHT RECOGNIZE THIS OFF OF FPL'S WEBSITE. WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE BUDGET LAST YEAR, THEY WERE IN THE PROCESS OF APPLYING FOR AN ADDITIONAL FOUR YEAR AGREEMENT WITH THE PUBLIC SERVICE COMMISSION FOR WHAT RATES THEY ARE ALLOWED TO CHARGE TO THEIR CUSTOMERS. WHEN WE REVIEWED THOSE RATES IN THE GREEN BOX THERE, YOU'LL SEE THE BASE CHARGE PER MONTH AND THE 1000 KILOWATT HOUR ENERGY CHARGE. THOSE WERE FORECASTED TO GO UP, BUT NOT BY AS MUCH AS THE TEMPORARY 2025 STORM SURCHARGE WAS GOING TO GO DOWN. SO THE NET EFFECT OF THE TWO SHOULD HAVE BEEN A DECREASE IN OVERALL REVENUES BECAUSE WHILE THE TEMPORARY SURCHARGE WOULD GO AWAY, THE BASE RATES WOULD RISE JUST NOT AS MUCH AS THAT, THAT SAVINGS. NOW IN THAT ORANGE BOX TO THE RIGHT, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE STORM PROTECTION CHARGE AND THE FUEL CHARGE FOR OVER 100,000 KILOWATT HOURS, THOSE WERE NOT AT LEAST INITIALLY APPARENT WITHIN THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT WHEN WE REVIEWED IT. THOSE APPEARED TO COME IN MUCH HIGHER THAN WHAT WE ORIGINALLY ANTICIPATED, WHICH IS ALLOWING FOR THOSE POSITIVE VARIANCES, WHICH IN A WEIRD WAY, THANK GOD WE HAD THAT HAPPEN BECAUSE WE NOW HAVE THAT MUCH MORE TO HELP ASSIST WITH THE DEARTH AND RESERVES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE OTHER STRUGGLES AND SOME OF THE OTHER REVENUES WE'RE EXPERIENCING. MOVING FORWARD TO YOUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT. HALF CENT SALES TAX. SAME GENERAL CONCEPT HERE. BLACK DOTTED LINE REPRESENTS YOUR BUDGET. WE FIGURED IT WOULD BE ROUGHLY AROUND 6.1 MILLION BASED OFF OF PAST PAST COLLECTIONS, AS WELL AS THE DECREASE IN POPULATION SHARE THAT WE WE HAVE BY COMPARISON TO OUR BREVARD COUNTY PEERS. IF WE CONTINUE ON THIS CURRENT TREND OF COLLECTIONS, WE'RE LOOKING AT BEING SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS SHORT. YOU KNOW, LOCAL GOVERNMENT, HALF CENT SALES TAX IS KIND OF THE ONE THAT WE MONITOR BY LOOKING AT SOME OF THE PRELIMINARY DATA THAT'S RELEASED BY THE STATE FOR OVERALL COLLECTIONS WITHIN THE COUNTY, BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO INFORM DIRECTLY WHAT GETS ALLOCATED OUT TO THE VARIOUS MUNICIPALITIES AND JURISDICTIONS. LOOKING AT YOUR COLLECTIONS IN BREVARD COUNTY, BASED OFF OF THE DA'S WEBSITE, IS THE GREEN BAR. THERE REPRESENTS COLLECTIONS SO FAR THROUGH APRIL OF 2026. YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THAT IS THE LOWEST OR LOWEST RATE SINCE FISCAL YEAR 2022. SO WHETHER THAT IS A SIGNAL OF SLOWING ECONOMIC ACTIVITY, IT'S DIFFICULT AND HARD TO REMAIN TO SAY WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S THAT'S THE FULL OR PARTIAL CASE, BECAUSE AS WELL AS THINGS LIKE SALES TAX HOLIDAYS OR THE ADDITIONAL REDUCTION IN COMMERCIAL RENT, SALES TAXES, THERE'S THERE'S A VARIETY OF FACTORS THAT YOU CAN YOU CAN NOT REALLY ATTRIBUTE TO JUST ONE EASILY FROM WHAT DATA IS AVAILABLE FOR US HERE AT THE CITY. SO TROUBLING, THOUGH, THAT WE WOULD SEE A DECREASE IN OVERALL TAXABLE SALES THROUGH APRIL. SO IT NOT ONLY IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FROM THE POPULATION FORMULA BECOMING WORSE FOR US, BUT AS WELL AS IF COLLECTIONS ARE WORSE FOR US TOO, WE'RE GOING TO SEE KIND OF A DOUBLE WHAMMY ON SOME OF THOSE, THOSE FORMULAS MOVING AHEAD TO COMMERCIAL COMMUNICATION SERVICE TAX. THIS ONE'S EVEN MORE DISAPPOINTING. WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT BEFORE, WE FIGURED WE COULD COMFORTABLY RECEIVE IN 5.1 MILLION. IF YOU REMEMBER THE CHARTS FROM PRIOR PRESENTATIONS, THIS IS ONE THAT WE'VE HAD CONSISTENT POSITIVE VARIANCES ON THAT WE'VE BEEN SNAKE BITTEN IN THE PAST BEFORE, WHICH IS WHY WE WERE SO RELUCTANT TO INCREASE THIS REVENUE STREAM. SURE ENOUGH, THE SECOND I SAID, ALL RIGHT, WE'VE HAD THREE YEARS. IT'S BEATEN OUR EXPECTATIONS THREE TIMES. IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S CONCRETE. LET'S BUILD IT UP.

YOU SEE A SUBSTANTIAL DECREASE IN YOUR COMMUNICATION SERVICE TAX. NOW WHY WOULD THAT BE? IN LOOKING AT THE THE SERVICE TAXABLE SALES OCTOBER THROUGH APRIL. THIS IS DATA THAT CAN BE FOUND AT THE STATE'S DOOR WEBSITE. YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THE BLUE LINE, WHICH IS THE PRIOR YEAR COLLECTIONS IN FISCAL YEAR 2025, IS HIGHER THAN THE ORANGE LINE, PARTICULARLY IN DECEMBER.

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WHAT HAPPENS WITH COMMUNICATION SERVICE TAX OFTEN IS THAT THEY WILL AUDIT VARIOUS COMMUNICATIONS RETAILERS AND DETERMINE THAT THERE WAS EITHER NOT INSUFFICIENT PAYMENTS OR A NEED TO PAY UP PAST PAYMENTS THAT WERE COLLECTED BUT NOT REMITTED, THAT SORT OF THING.

THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SEEING MOSTLY IN THAT THAT BLUE LITTLE PEAK THERE IN DECEMBER. BUT EVEN WHEN YOU CONTROL FOR THAT OUTLIER OF THAT AUDIT BEING COMPLETED AT THAT TIME, WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT ROUGHLY 7 TO 10% DECREASES IN TAXABLE SALES IN THIS IN THIS REALM, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT GOES INTO THIS, THESE ARE YOUR NETFLIXES, YOUR SPECTRUMS, YOUR HULU'S DISNEY PLUS, ALL THAT. GENERALLY, IF YOU COMPARE THIS WITH WHAT WE JUST SPOKE ABOUT WITH THE TAXABLE SALES IN BREVARD COUNTY, IF THERE'S A WEAKENING ECONOMIC ENVIRONMENT IN SALES, TAXES ARE GOING DOWN, IT WOULD BEHOOVE US TO AT LEAST HAVE SOME THOUGHT PROCESS OF IF THINGS ARE GETTING TOUGH FOR THOSE COMMUNITIES IN BREVARD COUNTY, SOME OF THE FIRST THINGS YOU GENERALLY CUT ARE, YOU KNOW, YOUR NETFLIX, NETFLIX SUBSCRIPTION, YOUR LANDLINE, IF YOU STILL HAVE ONE, OR WHATEVER BUNDLING PROCESS YOU'RE DOING TO STILL TRY AND MAINTAIN SOME OF THESE SERVICES. SO THAT'S, THAT'S MOSTLY A LOOK AT YOUR REVENUE SIDE. AGAIN, ELECTRIC REVENUES, GREAT NEWS, POSITIVE POSITIVE VARIANCES. AND IN TERMS OF YOUR POPULATION BASED OR ECONOMIC BASED NOT AS GREAT OF NEWS. SO ALL IN ALL, FOR THAT 80% OF YOUR REVENUES, WE'RE LOOKING AT A POSITIVE VARIANCE OVERALL IN AGGREGATE OF ABOUT 1.1 MILLION. SO GREAT.

BUT THAT IS CHIPPING AWAY AT THAT -4.2 MILLION FUND FUND BALANCE AVAILABLE FOR YOU. SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING ALLOWING MOST OF THESE POSITIVE VARIANCES FOR THE FUND BALANCE SO THAT WE CAN SHOW THAT TO THE BOND RATING AGENCIES AND FUTURE DEBTORS, THAT WE WILL BE RESPONSIBLE RECEIVERS OF THEIR CREDIT. MOVING ON TO THE EXPENDITURES SIDE, YOU'LL RECALL THAT WE WENT WITH UNITEDHEALTHCARE IN OUR MOST RECENT RFP FOR HEALTH CARE INSURANCE SERVICES. WHEN WE DO THE BUDGET PROCESS OF LOOKING AT WHAT THAT IMPACT WAS ORIGINALLY, WHEN WE BUILT THIS BUDGET, WE WERE EXPECTING AN INCREASE NO MATTER WHO THE PROVIDER WAS, WE WERE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO SECURE THAT 3% LOWER THAN CURRENT RATES. SO THAT RESULTED IN A POSITIVE VARIANCE OF ABOUT 1.4 MILLION IN THE GENERAL FUND. IF YOU LOOK AT THE FIRE OVERTIME BUDGET, WE ALREADY SURPASSED THE BUDGET BACK IN EARLY MARCH, SO WE'RE LOOKING TO BE CLOSE TO ABOUT HALF $1 MILLION OVER BUDGET IN THIS AREA. AND THAT'S DIRECTLY A RESULT OF YOUR HEAVY SERVICE RESCUE BEING PUT INTO SERVICE. SO IT'S AN ADDITIONAL VEHICLE OUT ON THE ROAD. IT'S ADDITIONAL TEAM THAT'S OUT ON THE ROAD, AND THOSE WHO WOULD HAVE OTHERWISE TAKEN SOME OF THE OVER OVERTIME OPPORTUNITIES AS THEY BID THEM OUT NOW ARE ON THEIR OWN ENGINE. SO THEY'RE WE'RE WE'RE SEEING AN INCREASE IN OVERTIME FROM THAT, THAT DECISION THERE FUEL AND OIL. WE'VE ALL LOOKED AT THE PUMPS. SOME DAYS IT'S HIGH, SOME DAYS IT'S NOT AS HIGH, SOME DAYS IT'S HIGH. AGAIN, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY SENSE OF WHERE THIS IS GOING FROM A CITY'S PERSPECTIVE. YOU KNOW, UNCERTAINTY WAS KIND OF THE BUZZWORD OF THE YEAR FOR MOST OF OUR INVESTMENT COMMITTEE MEETINGS. WE REALLY DON'T KNOW.

AND IT SEEMS TO BE VERY HINGING ON GEOPOLITICAL EVENTS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF OUR CONTROL. AND FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, WE CAN APPROACH IT AS IF IT'S GOING TO RESOLVE ITSELF SHORTLY.

BUT WE DON'T KNOW NECESSARILY IF THAT'S THE FACT OR IF THIS IS A PROLONGED, YOU KNOW, SUPPLY SHOCK TO THE OIL INDUSTRY THAT WILL CAUSE US ADDITIONAL COSTS FOR WHEN WE FILL UP, FUEL UP THE FIRE ENGINES, FUEL UP THE POLICE VEHICLES, ETC. AND THEN OUR VACANCY RATE, WHICH IN PRIOR YEARS HAS ALLOWED FOR SOME OF THOSE ONE TIME SAVINGS, WE'RE ACTUALLY NOW UNDER 10%. I BELIEVE WHEN I LAST RAN THE REPORT, IT WAS 74 POSITIONS WITHIN THE GENERAL FUND, PRIMARILY IN YOUR COMMUNICATIONS COMMUNICATIONS CENTER IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE LARGEST SHARES, AS WELL AS A HANDFUL OF OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE A COUPLE OF HIGH VACANCY AREAS. BUT THIS IS PROBABLY THE LOWEST IT'S BEEN SINCE I'VE RETURNED FROM MY FIRST TIME WORKING HERE. AND WE'VE HAD TO USE SOME OF THOSE SALARY SAVINGS ALREADY TO AUGMENT SOME OF THE STAFFING AND SOME OF THE DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE HAD SOME OF THOSE VACANCIES. SO WHILE IT WAS A BIG POSITIVE VARIANCE IN PREVIOUS YEARS, WE'RE NOT EXPECTING AS BIG OF A POSITIVE VARIANCE IN THIS YEAR. SO ALL IN ALL, WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT TRYING TO CLAW BACK THAT 4.2 MILLION OVERALL. AND WE'RE HOPING THAT BETWEEN SOME OF THE POSITIVE VARIANCES THAT WE'VE SEEN HERE AND SOME CONTROL ON OUR EXPENSES, THAT WE WILL HOPEFULLY RECOUP MOST OF THAT, THAT 4.2 MILLION MOVING AHEAD, OTHER ADJUSTMENTS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE SEEN ON YOUR SECOND QUARTER BUDGET RESOLUTION, NOT NECESSARILY AS PART OF THE GENERAL FUND. AND WE FOCUS A LOT OF TIMES ON THAT BECAUSE IT'S THE ONE THAT EVERYONE WANTS TO GENERALLY LOOK AT. A COUPLE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT TO YOU. YOUR SERIES 2022 GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS THAT BUILT THE J. PLECK, AS WELL AS THE SERIES 2023 WATER AND SEWER BONDS THAT WERE FUNDED, A VARIETY OF LARGE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS. WHEN WE BORROWED INTEREST RATES WERE HIGH, WE WERE ABLE TO INVEST MOST OF THOSE PROCEEDS IN IN VERY GOOD INVESTMENTS. AND AS THEY CUT RATES, IT CREATES A SITUATION WHERE SOME CITIES WILL RUN INTO ARBITRAGE REBATES. ARBITRAGE IS WHEN WE

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BORROW AT A TAX EXEMPT STATUS. SO THE IRS DOESN'T WANT TO SEE US TAKE OUT MILLIONS AND MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN LOANS AND THEN REINVEST IT IN IN INVESTMENTS THAT WILL MAKE US MONEY IN INTEREST. IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY DO NOT WANT US TO DO. AND, AND IN THE EVENT THAT WE DO WIND UP EARNING MORE INTEREST THAN WHAT WE WOULD BE PAYING ON THE BONDS, WE HAVE TO REMIT THAT BACK TO THE IRS TO MAINTAIN THE TAX EXEMPT STATUS AND OUR BOND COVENANTS. SO THAT WAY, AREN'T THEY? OH, IT'S JUST A JOY. SO SO FOR FOR OUR PURPOSES, THE GEO BONDS ARBITRAGE REBATE, AS IT WAS LAST CALCULATED, WAS ROUGHLY 42,000. THAT WILL BE ABSORBED WITHIN THE PROJECT BUDGET. THE SERIES 2023 WATER SEWER BONDS.

WE DID A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT EFFORT AT TRYING TO REAPPROPRIATE AND REALLOCATE SOME OF THE BOND PROCEEDS IN A MANNER THAT WOULD LESSEN THAT ARBITRAGE REBATE, SO PROJECTS THAT WE MAY HAVE FUNDED PREVIOUSLY WITH UTILITY FEES AND NON BOND PROCEEDED, YOU KNOW, RESOURCES, WE KIND OF REALLOCATED THAT SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO SPEND AS MUCH BACK TO THE IRS AND PUT THAT MONEY TO GOOD USE FOR OUR PURPOSES. SO JUST A GOOD, GOOD BIT OF NOTE THERE. YOUR TWO NEW DEDICATED FUNDS, WE WERE RECOGNIZING INTEREST ON THOSE 666,000 IN YOUR PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PROGRAM. THAT'S BENEFITED FROM A LOT OF PRIOR PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PROGRAM BALANCES. SO THAT'S WHY IT HAS A HIGHER OF AN AMOUNT. AND YOUR FUND IS THE FIRST YEAR THAT IS IN IN IN OPERATION, YOU HAVE ABOUT $37,000 THROUGH MARCH THAT WE'RE RECOGNIZING THERE AS WELL. AND THEN AGAIN, WHEN WE LOOK AT SOME OF THE OTHER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE LISTED ON YOUR YOUR SECOND QUARTER, THEY WERE LIMITED REALLY TO THOSE NEEDS, NOT WANTS, THINGS LIKE HVAC REPAIRS, GENERATORS AND THE LIKE. SO ALL THESE ADJUSTMENTS ARE PRETTY MUCH NECESSARY. AND WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO MONITOR THIS BUDGET AS BEST AS WE CAN, GIVEN SOME OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES COMING UP. SO AT THIS POINT, I'LL PAUSE AND ALLOW YOU TO PEPPER ME WITH ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE REGARDING THE SECOND QUARTER BUDGET. BUT RIGHT NOW, STAFF'S RECOMMENDED ACTION WOULD BE APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION NUMBER 4420. MAYOR. GOOD SIR. MR. RUSSO, DON'T SAY THE THREE WORDS AGAIN BECAUSE THEN YOU'LL BEETLEJUICE THEM IN HERE. OKAY. I SOMETHING ELSE. YOU SAID IT TWICE ALREADY TONIGHT IN YOUR PRESENTATION. DON'T SAY IT A THIRD TIME IF IT MAKES YOU FEEL ANY BETTER. I'M ALREADY COMPLYING WITH THE WITH AN IRS AUDIT OF OUR SERIES 2018 NON-AD VALOREM NOTES. SO WE ARE DOING OUR DUE PART. I LOVE MY PARTNERS AT THE IRS. THEY'RE FABULOUS PEOPLE TO WORK WITH.

THEY ARE WATCHING FABULOUS PEOPLE TO WORK WITH. THEY ARE WATCHING. THERE'S NOT MANY OF THEM, BUT NOT MANY LEFT. BUT YES. THE. SO BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME IS THAT IN ESSENCE, WE ARE LOSING MONEY BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GROWING. THAT HAS BEEN OUR TREND IN SOME OF THOSE ECONOMIC AND POPULATION BASED REVENUES. YES. AND THE REASON WE'RE NOT GROWING IS BECAUSE WE'RE PRETTY MUCH BUILT OUT. YES, SIR. SO WE DON'T HAVE MAJOR TRACTS OF LAND THAT WE'RE ATTRACTING DEVELOPERS AND, AND COMMUNITIES TO LIKE VIERA AND PALM BAY. CORRECT. SO THAT'S NOT A PRETTY SIGN AT ALL. IT MEANS YOU'RE GOING TO BE MORE CONSTRAINED THAN THOSE AROUND YOU TO DO, YOU KNOW, VARIOUS THINGS THAT WE ALL HAVE TO DO, RIGHT? SO IF IF THEY DECIDE THAT THEY HAVE AN INITIATIVE OR PROGRAM THEY WISH TO DO, AND WE TRY TO MATCH, IT WILL NOT BE ABLE TO MATCH IT, THEY HAVE MORE IN THEIR WALLET THAT THEY CAN BRING OUT AT ANY POINT THAT WE DO NOT HAVE. AND THAT GOES ACROSS ALL THE ENTIRE PLATEAU. CORRECT. EVERYTHING FROM NEGOTIATIONS THAT WE HAVE AS A CITY WITH WITH OTHER ENTITIES TO THE GROWTH OF, OF WHAT WE SEE HERE OR THE LACK OF, OF GROWTH, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CUT BACK AND SCALE BACK.

CORRECT. AGAIN. OKAY. I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND THE CORE VALUE OF WHAT IS THE CHALLENGE HERE. AND THE CHALLENGE IS WE'RE MATURE. WE'RE MATURE CITY. YES, SIR. OKAY. GOOD SIR. AND I'M ALSO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A QUESTION FOR YOU. IT'S ABOUT THE PRESENTATION. I APPRECIATE YOUR EMAILS OVER THE WEEKEND. ACTUALLY, I THINK IT WAS VERY LATE ON FRIDAY. I THINK IT WAS LIKE 8:00. LIKE YOU SHOULD BE ENJOYING YOUR FAMILY NOT EMAILING ME. BUT BUT THAT BEING SAID, THOUGH, MR. LARUSSO, THIS IS ACTUALLY INVOLVING OUR PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT DISCUSSION FROM LAST MEETING. AND SO I ASKED HIM LIKE SOMETHING THAT I REALLY DON'T LIKE TO DO SITTING UP HERE IS ROBBING PETER TO PAY PAUL. AND SO, AND WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PROGRAM, WE TOOK 100 SOMETHING ODD THOUSAND OUT OF THAT. BUT ROSS, SOMETHING THAT WASN'T MENTIONED IN THE LAST MEETING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP HERE. AND I THINK I WANT TO SAY YOU GLOSSED OVER IT, BUT I DON'T IT'S NOT YOUR OBLIGATION TO BRING IT UP AS PART OF THIS, BUT WE HAVE, I GUESS, 667,000 ADDITIONAL REVENUES FROM INTEREST FROM THAT IN THAT FUND.

SO PART OF THE FUND, THE FUND. SO PART OF ME DOESN'T. PART OF ME AND I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO TALK TO YOU THIS WEEK. IT'S BEEN A WEEK, BUT IN PRINCIPLE WOULD WANT TO MOVE THAT MONEY BACK OVER TO THAT. BUT THE GOOD NEWS IS, EVEN IF WE DON'T TOUCH IT, WE'RE STILL A $667,000 UP

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DESPITE, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH WE BORROWED AGAINST IT, SO DO WE. SO DO WE GO FORWARD WITH CONTINUING OUR AGGRESSIVE REPAYMENT PROGRAM, OR DO WE MOVE THAT 667 OVER TO ANOTHER AREA THAT IS MORE IN NEED THAN PAVING? AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS MORE IN NEED THAN PAVING? OH, I DEFINITELY THINK WE SHOULD KEEP IT IN PAVEMENT. OH. OH NO I'M WITH YOU. I'M SAYING NO NO NO, I'M SAYING THIS IS OKAY. IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY. IF THERE WAS IF THERE WAS A WANT TO PUT IT BACK TO PUT 100 OF THEM SOMEWHERE, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT WOULD COME FROM BASED ON MY DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM. BUT LIKE I SAID, THIS IS THIS IS THAT FUN OPPORTUNITY. BUT THE GREAT NEWS IS THAT I WANTED TO BASICALLY SHARE THE GOOD NEWS AS WELL WITH IT IS THERE'S 667,000 THAT WERE THAT WERE IN THE POSITIVE KIND OF SKIPPED OVER A LITTLE BIT. YEAH, YEAH.

GREAT POINT. YEAH. I CAN'T BE TOO CHEERY. THAT WOULD THAT WOULD DEFY MOST PHYSICS AT THIS POINT. THREE LETTER WORD. SO I DO. AND JUST JUST TO REITERATE WHY WE DO THOSE PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PROGRAMS, AT LEAST FROM MY VANTAGE POINT, BECAUSE IT'S VERY HELPFUL FOR ME. WHEN WE DISCUSSED CREATING THESE FUNDS, IT IT CAME WITH A TARGET, A TARGET FUNDING RANGE, RIGHT? BUT THAT TARGET FUNDING RANGE WAS ESTABLISHED IN 2014, 2015 TIME FRAME. SO WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THE CONDITIONS THAT THAT REPORT DECIDED WERE APPROPRIATE FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS, IF THEY HAVE COME TRUE, IF THERE'S VARIANCES TO IT, IT'S BETTER TO FINE TUNE THAT SO THAT WE HAVE A TRUE NUMBER TO HIT SO THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO WIND UP FINDING OURSELVES $20 MILLION IN THE HOLE LATER ON WITHOUT BEING NONE THE WISER. SO, WELL, IF I FOUND ANYTHING, YOU FINE TUNE A LOT OF THINGS STARTING LAST YEAR AND THE YEAR BEFORE. YOU HAVE REALLY DONE A GREAT JOB IN IDENTIFYING AND FOCUSING ON WHAT IS MOST IMPORTANT AND WHAT IS COMING OVER OUR SHOULDERS AS WELL TOO. AND I APPRECIATE THAT. NO SURPRISE, NO SURPRISE. ROSS, YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S YOUR NEW NAME. THAT'S THAT'S TRY TO BE OKAY. THANKS. ANYBODY ELSE? MAYOR. GO AHEAD SIR. MOTION FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE SECOND QUARTER BUDGET RECOMMENDATIONS.

SECOND. MOTION SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. I'M SORRY. THE THE THE ACTION ITEMS ARE OUT FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE RESOLUTIONS. IF WE CAN MODIFY THE MOTION TO BE APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION FOR RESOLUTION NUMBER 442. OH, SO MOVED. SECOND. YOU MAKING THAT MOTION RIGHT. YEP. YEP. OKAY. AND YOUR SECOND. YEP. THANK YOU FOR THE CORRECTION, SIR. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE AYE AND THAT MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. YEAH. THANK

[17. Discussion of the proposed property tax constitutional amendment.]

YOU FOR THE CORRECTION. MOVING ON TO 17. BY THE WAY ROSS. IN MY INDUSTRY PETROLEUM BASED A LOT OF THE PRODUCTS AS YOU WELL KNOW. ABSOLUTELY. UNDERSTANDING THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED 23 TO 20 23 TO 32% PRICE INCREASES ACROSS THE BOARD BEGINNING THIS JUNE 1ST. AND I KNOW HE'S NOT PETROLEUM BASED PRODUCTS. SO WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT PETROLEUM BASED PRODUCTS IN MY INDUSTRY, TALKING ABOUT ALL PLASTICS AND EVERYTHING, SOME PAPER, BUT MOSTLY GLOVES ARE ARE UNACCEPTABLE. UNACCEPTABLE, UNACCEPTABLE RIGHT NOW. SO WE'RE WE'RE STRUGGLING IN MY INDUSTRY. AND SO WHEN I SEE SOMETHING COME ACROSS THAT WHERE I'VE BEEN BUYING FOR $24, NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S $36. HOW DO I PASS THAT ON TO MY CUSTOMERS? I'D LOVE TO SIT DOWN AND HELP. AND PLEASE TELL ME HOW BECAUSE I'M STRUGGLING, YOU KNOW? SO ANYWAY, GOOD JOB. OIL IS UP POINT 17% TODAY. YES IT IS. SO NOW ITEM 17. YOU WANT TO START THAT, MR. MORGAN? ABSOLUTELY. BEFORE YOU START, THIS IS A MULTI-PART. ADAM HAS SOME YOU KNOW, SOME THINGS TO SAY ABOUT THIS. I MAY BE BUTTING IN IN PART OF IT. AND SO I DO BEFORE WE EVEN START.

AND AS WAS IN THE EMAIL TO YOU, YOU KNOW, THESE THESE COST REDUCTIONS AND TAX SHIFTS ARE ILLUSTRATIVE PURPOSES ONLY. IT'S TO GET THE CONVERSATION STARTED, TO GET TO GAUGE THE TEMPERATURE OF WHAT COUNCIL'S FEELING. SO I JUST, I WANTED, I WANTED TO PUT THAT DISCLAIMER ON THIS BEFORE WE EVEN STARTED. OBVIOUSLY, THE LEGISLATORS DECIDED THAT, THAT THE AMENDMENT WAS GOING TO GO ON THE BALLOT LAST TUESDAY. SO, YOU KNOW, SEVEN DAYS AGO. SO WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE STILL PROCESSING AND MAKING SURE THAT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT EVERYTHING OKAY, NOW. AND MR. CONLEY, WOULD YOU PREFER TO PROVIDE YOUR PART FIRST OR SHOULD I GO FIRST? YEAH. YOU STOP SMILING. SO WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD? FAIR ENOUGH. YEAH. I THINK THE NEXT STEPS IS MORE WHERE I'LL. I'LL. OKAY. YOU'RE FINE. PERFECT. ALL RIGHT. SO AS MISS LAMB HAS ALREADY ALLUDED TO, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SLIDE, THE GOVERNOR'S PROPOSAL FOR THE SAVE OUR HOMES FROM EXCESSIVE PROPERTY TAXES WAS PUT TO THE LEGISLATURE. THE LEGISLATURE GOT THEIR TEETH INTO IT AND HAD AMENDED IT IN VARIOUS FEW WAYS.

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BUT FOR MY PURPOSES, WHAT I WANT TO FOCUS YOU IN ON RIGHT NOW, AT LEAST FOR THE TIME BEING, IS THE TWO EXEMPTION INCREASES. SO BEGINNING JANUARY 1ST OF 2027, YOUR EXEMPTION FOR HOMESTEADED PROPERTIES WILL INCREASE TO $150,000 IN THE EVENT THE BALLOT PASSES THAT FOR OUR FISCAL YEAR 28 BUDGET. SO NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR THIS COMING YEAR, BUT THE FOLLOWING YEAR. THAT WOULD RESULT IN A DECREASE IN REVENUE TO THE CITY OF ABOUT $9.9 MILLION ALTOGETHER. THAT IS GOING TO BE FOLLOWED UP SUBSEQUENTLY BY A JANUARY 1ST OF 2028 EXEMPTION INCREASE FROM THAT 150 TO 250. THAT WILL CAUSE AN ADDITIONAL 4.5 $4.5 MILLION IN PROPERTY TAXES TO NEED TO BE REPLACED WITHIN THE FISCAL YEAR 2029 BUDGET.

THERE'S ALSO LANGUAGE WITHIN THERE THAT INCLUDES ADDITIONAL EXEMPTIONS EITHER TO FULL HOMESTEADED OR $500,000. THAT PART WAS NOT PARTICULARLY CLEAR TO ME YET, AND A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT MAY BE AN IF OR A WHAT WILL DEPEND ON THE LEGISLATURE'S IMPLEMENTATION SESSION IN THE EVENT THE BALLOT PASSES. SO I BELIEVE WHEN THEY DISCUSSED IT, THAT WOULD BE SOME TIME FRAME IN DECEMBER, AT WHICH POINT THE THE ACTUAL LEGISLATION ENACTING THAT BALLOT LANGUAGE WOULD COME BEFORE THEM FOR CONSIDERATION. WHY THOSE NUMBERS HAVE AN ASTERISK NEXT TO THEM. ANY INCREASES? I'M SORRY, THE NUMBERS WITH THE ASTERISK NEXT TO THEM ARE BECAUSE WE'RE USING THE 2025 TAX ROLL. THAT'S THE MOST RECENT TAX ROLL I HAVE ACCESS TO. IT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT I CAN REALLY WORK OFF OF. OUR ACTUAL IMPACT IS LIKELY TO BE HIGHER THAN THESE FIGURES, JUST ON THE BASIS OF BOTH PROPERTY APPRECIATION AS WELL AS ANY TAX INCREASES WE'VE DONE IN THE PREVIOUS YEAR. SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS, THOSE NUMBERS ARE LIKELY CONSERVATIVE IN VALUE. AND THEN THE BOTTOM BULLET THERE THAT I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THAT I'M EMPHASIZING GREATLY HERE IS ANY INCREASES TO OUR PROPERTY TAXES TO BALANCE OUR 27 BUDGET WILL ADD TO THESE FIGURES EVEN MORE SO. SO IF WE INCREASE ADDITIONAL COSTS OR WE FUND THEM WITH ADDITIONAL PROPERTY TAXES, THERE IS A HIGHER LIKELIHOOD THAT THOSE NUMBERS GO EVEN FURTHER HIGHER. SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THESE IMPACTS, THAT'S SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND AS WE GO THROUGH OUR FISCAL YEAR 27 BUDGET PROCESS, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION FIRST. MAYOR ROSS. ABSOLUTELY.

SO THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'M SEEING ABOUT THIS STATE TRUST FUND TO ASSIST WITH CORE LOCAL SERVICES. THE TRUST FUND IS NO LONGER. YEAH, THE TRUST FUND IS NOT IN THE LANGUAGE. SO I DO HAVE A SLIDE THAT'S COMING UP. AND I APPRECIATE YOU JUMPING AHEAD TO IT, BECAUSE THIS IS ACTUALLY VERY IMPORTANT THAT THAT TRUST FUND LANGUAGE WAS REMOVED FROM THE BALLOT LANGUAGE, PRIMARILY, IF I'VE UNDERSTOOD THE AMENDING PARTY'S INTENT. THAT'S A POWER THAT THE LEGISLATURE ALREADY HAS ENUMERATED TO THEM, WHETHER OR NOT THEY NEEDED TO ENSCONCE THAT INTO THE CONSTITUTION WAS KIND OF THE CONSIDERATION. SO WHILE IT'S NOT A PART OF THE BALLOT LANGUAGE, WE DO NOT HAVE A REQUIREMENT OF THE LEGISLATURE TO DO ANYTHING. BUT THEY DO HAVE THE POWER TO, IF THEY SO DESIRE. SO IT'S IT'S AN IF, MAYBE WHEN. HARD TO TELL AT THIS POINT BECAUSE I CAN'T CONTROL THE BILLS AND LANGUAGES UP THERE. THANK YOU FOR THAT. I JUST WANTED TO HEAR THAT. YEAH. MOVING ON. SO ONE, ONE BIT OF PIECE OF LANGUAGE ON THIS I WANTED YOU TO FOCUS IN ON BRIEFLY IS THAT GOVERNMENT, LOCAL GOVERNMENTS HAVE NEARLY DOUBLED IN THE PAST SEVEN YEARS FROM 32 BILLION IN COLLECTIONS TO 60 BILLION IN COLLECTIONS.

SO FOR THE PAST SEVEN YEARS, LOOKING AT WHAT OUR AD VALOREM TAXES WERE, WE COLLECTED 34.5 MILLION IN 2019. THAT COMPARES TO 53.1 IN 2025. SO KIND OF SIMILAR TO WHAT WE JUST REFERENCED OFF OF THAT PLACARD. YEAH, WE DID SEE AN INCREASE IN PROPERTY TAX VALUES. BUT WHAT MOST GOVERNMENTS ARE TRYING TO CONVEY AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO, TO, TO PASS ON IS WHERE DID ALL THIS MONEY GO? THIS IS JUST YOUR PUBLIC SAFETY OPERATING COSTS. THIS IS JUST PERSONAL SERVICES, SALARIES, BENEFITS, THE GAS THAT GOES IN THE VEHICLE. THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE THINGS LIKE NEW FIRE STATIONS, NEW FIRE ENGINES, DOESN'T INCLUDE THE NEW GPS CENTER DOESN'T INCLUDE ANY ANY OF THAT. AND WHEN YOU LOOK BY COMPARISON, WHERE SEVEN YEARS AGO IT WAS 102% OF YOUR AD VALOREM REVENUE, COLLECTIONS WERE NOW UP TO 111%. SO IF PEOPLE HAVE THE CONCEPTION THAT THERE'S WASTE, FRAUD AND ABUSE AND ALL THIS ADDITIONAL INCREASES, I WOULD NEED TO KNOW WHAT IN THAT THAT PUBLIC SAFETY OPERATING COSTS THEY WOULD DEEM AS WASTE, FRAUD AND ABUSE. WELL, THAT'S WHAT BLAZE INGOLIA THINKS THAT WE'RE ALL CROOKS, YOU KNOW, SO, SO, SO BEAR THAT IN MIND THAT, YES, WE HAVE SEEN COLLECTIONS INCREASE, BUT WE WERE ALSO IN A MARKET OF EVER INCREASING PERSONNEL COSTS. CONTRACTS WERE BEING AWARDED AT INCREDIBLE RATES AND INCREDIBLE RAISES. AND THE UNFORTUNATE REALITY OF IT IS THAT COMES WITH A TAG.

YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR IT. AND THE PRIMARY MECHANISM THAT WE HAVE TO PAY FOR IS PROPERTY TAXES.

IT'S GOING TO BE A REVOLUTION. THAT'S ALL IT'S GOING TO COME. IT IS CRAZY. IT IS. IT'S ABSOLUTELY CRAZY. I'M SORRY I KEEP JUMPING IN. NO. AND LET'S MOVE FORWARD. YES. OKAY. MOVING

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FORWARD. SO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN, IF AND WHEN? IF THIS PALETTE PASSES, YOU REALLY HAVE TWO OPTIONS. WE SAW THIS BACK IN THE FEBRUARY 10TH MEETING WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING THIS PREVIOUSLY. YOU REALLY CAN ONLY DO ONE OF TWO THINGS OR BOTH. SOME COMBINATION OF IT'S GOING TO BE INCREASING TAXES, FEES OR OTHER CHARGES FOR SERVICES. IT SEEMS LIKE THE THE DEBATE ABOUT THIS IS REALLY CENTERING AROUND A TAX SHIFT. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THIS OPPORTUNITY WOULD BASICALLY BE IN RELATION TO. AND THEN YOUR OTHER OPTION THERE IN BOLD IS DECREASED LEVELS OF SERVICE. SO IN OTHER WORDS, WE WOULD CUT COSTS AND IN TURN CUT THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT YOU, CITY COUNCIL, HAVE SAID FOR US TO PROVIDE TO THE PUBLIC. SO YOU'RE EITHER DOING SOME FORM OF TAX SHIFT OR YOU'RE DOING SOME KIND OF LEVELS OF SERVICE DECREASE. SO WHAT ARE SOME OF THE OPTIONS THAT WE WOULD SEE ON BOTH SIDES OF THOSE LEDGERS? FIRST, FIRST THINGS FIRST, PROPERTY TAX ISN'T GOING AWAY. YOU STILL HAVE YOUR NON HOMESTEADED PROPERTIES. YOU STILL HAVE YOUR COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. IN THE EVENT THAT WE DO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE BALLOT LANGUAGE AND DECIDE THAT THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION FOR THE CITY IS, WELL, WE'LL JUST INCREASE TAXES ON EVERYBODY ELSE THAT REMAINS AND KEEP EVERYTHING WHOLE. IN ORDER TO DO THAT IN 2028, YOU WOULD NEED A 21.4% INCREASE ON THE REMAINING PROPERTY TAXPAYERS AND FOLLOWED UP BY A 13% INCREASE IN 2029. THAT'S OBVIOUSLY ONLY FOR THE FIRST TWO YEARS THAT ARE DEFINED. IF THERE ARE FURTHER YEARS OF ADDITIONAL EXEMPTIONS TO EITHER REACH THAT 500, 000 OR FULL EXEMPTION MARK, WE WOULD HAVE ADDITIONAL INCREASES IN THOSE LATER YEARS BEYOND 2029. FROM A MILITARY PERSPECTIVE, WE'RE CURRENTLY AT 7.0112. IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, WE WOULD NEED TO BE AT 9.8215, WHICH NEARLY EXCEEDS YOUR TEN MIL CAP. THAT'S BY STATE LAW. AND THAT'S ASSUMING THAT ADDITIONAL PROTECTIONS AREN'T ADDED IN THE ENABLING LEGISLATION. WHEN THE LEGISLATURE TAKES IT UP IN DECEMBER, PROVIDED IT'S SUCCESSFUL, THAT MAY PREVENT US FROM DOING THIS APPROACH ALTOGETHER. SO AT LEAST AT THIS TIME, FOR COUNCIL'S UNDERSTANDING, THIS IS WHAT THE RESULTS WOULD BE IF YOU DECIDED TO DO A TAX SHIFT TO TO BASICALLY TAKE THIS REVENUE AND RECOUP IT FROM YOUR RENTERS, YOUR COMMERCIAL, YOUR NON HOMESTEADED PROPERTIES. WHEN YOU CONSIDER THAT ONE THING THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT IN THE PAST, AND THIS IS FOR EVERYONE'S BENEFIT, TO UNDERSTAND WHERE WE PLACE AMONGST OUR TAXING ENTITIES, KNOWING THAT THERE IS NO APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON, EVERYONE'S BUILT UNIQUELY AND DIFFERENT. BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MEDIAN PROPERTY TAX THAT WE CHARGE AS A PERCENTAGE OF THE MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD INCOME OF OUR CITY BY COMPARISON TO THOSE OF PALM BAY, TITUSVILLE, COCOA, ROCKLEDGE AND WEST MELBOURNE, WE DO REPRESENT THE HIGHEST TAX BURDEN UPON OUR MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD INCOMES. SO WHILE THAT DOES APPEAR TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO IDEALLY NOT EXACERBATE BY INCREASING PROPERTY TAXES, IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT OTHER CITIES LIKE COCOA DO HAVE FIRE ASSESSMENT FEES. WEST MELBOURNE CONTRACTS A LOT OF ITS SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE DIRECTLY WITH THE COUNTY. SO AGAIN, IT'S NOT AN APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON, BUT AT LEAST IN CONSIDERATION OF ANY FUTURE TAX INCREASES COMING FROM NON HOMESTEADED AND COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, THIS IS SOMETHING TO CONSIDER THAT WE ARE ALREADY PRETTY WELL AHEAD ON. ANOTHER OPTION THAT YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF CITIES CONSIDERING. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I'VE I'VE SEEN A LOT OF MY COHORTS TALKING ABOUT AND LIKEWISE IS A FIRE FEE. IT ALSO COULD BE KNOWN AS A FIRE ASSESSMENT FEE.

A LOT OF THIS LANGUAGE IS PRETTY INTERCHANGEABLE. AND FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS DEBATE, EVERYTHING I THINK MOST PEOPLE IDENTIFIED AS A TAX, EVEN THOUGH IT DOESN'T QUALIFY IN PERFECT WORLD DEFINITIONS. BASICALLY WHAT THIS WOULD BE IS A NON AD VALOREM FIRE ASSESSMENT FEE. YOU CURRENTLY HAVE ONE NON-AD VALOREM FIRE NON-AD VALOREM FEE IN THE FORM OF YOUR STORMWATER FEE, SO THIS WOULD BASICALLY FUNCTION SIMILARLY IN INSTITUTING A FIRE ASSESSMENT FEE. THIS WILL SHIFT THE BURDEN OF COST THAT THOSE CURRENTLY RECEIVING PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTIONS AND REDUCTIONS, LIKE THOSE OF THE DISABLED VETERANS, DEPLOYED MILITARY LOW INCOME SENIORS THAT YOU SO GRACIOUSLY WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS OF APPROVING THE MUNICIPAL, SENIOR LOW INCOME EXEMPTION, NONPROFITS, AND AIRPORT RELATED PROPERTIES.

THOSE ARE NOT EXEMPTED FROM SOMETHING LIKE THIS FIRE ASSESSMENT FEE. SO SOMETHING TO CONSIDER WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT. HERE'S A REAL WORLD EXAMPLE TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF WHAT THIS MAY DO. THIS IS A PROPERTY THAT CURRENTLY IS HOMESTEADED WITH ADDITIONAL DISABILITY EXEMPTIONS FOR COMBAT RELATED MILITARY SERVICE. THAT IS THE FRONT PORTION OF THEIR TAX BILL.

I DID NOT WANT TO DOX THEM AND PUT THEIR INFORMATION OUT HERE TODAY, BUT HERE IS BASICALLY A REAL LIFE EXAMPLE OF WHAT COULD HAPPEN. THEIR CURRENT CITY TAXES, ACCORDING TO THEIR LAST BILL, WAS $127.91 PAID TO THE CITY'S OPERATING AND POLICE DEBT SERVICE GEO BOND FUNDS.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT THE BREVARD COUNTY FIRE FEE IS, BY COMPARISON, IT'S $212.68 FOR A HOUSE OF THIS SIZE. SO IN OTHER WORDS, IF WE WERE TO INSTITUTE A FIRE FEE AND IT WERE TO BE

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ANYWHERE IN THE REALM OF WHAT THE BREVARD COUNTY FIRE FEE IS, THAT GENTLEMAN WOULD SEE AN $84.77 INCREASE ON THEIR TAXES IN COMBINED ASSESSMENTS. SO FOR JUST THE CITY'S PORTION OF IT.

NOW, IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT IT AND SAY, WELL, I WON'T HAVE TO PAY THE COUNTY GENERAL FUND OR SOME OF THE OTHER ITEMS ON HERE THAT'S NOT EXEMPTED, LIKE WHAT SCHOOL IS EVEN IN THAT SITUATION, IF YOU TAKE THE OTHER $198.92 CURRENTLY PAYING FOR NON-SCHOOL TAXES, IF YOU WERE TO AGAIN TRY TO INSTITUTE A FIRE FEE, AND IT'S ANYWHERE IN THE REALM OF THE BREVARD COUNTY FIRE FEE, YOU'D STILL BE LOOKING AT A TAX INCREASE FOR THIS MILITARY SERVICE. DISABLED VETERAN. SO THIS IS KIND OF A OBVIOUSLY A VERY CHERRY PICKED EXAMPLE DOES NOT NECESSARILY BEAR OUT THAT EVERYONE WILL HAVE THIS THIS EXACT SITUATION. BUT FOR FOR MELBOURNE IN PARTICULAR, WE DO HAVE A LOT OF HOMESTEADED PROPERTIES, A LOT HAVING ADDITIONAL EXEMPTIONS FOR EITHER DISABILITY OR LOW INCOME. AND IF THEIR PROPERTY RESEMBLES THE ASSESSED VALUE OF THIS GENTLEMAN, INSTITUTING A FIRE FEE OR THE LIKE WOULD BE NOT IDEAL. FROM THAT PERSON'S PERSPECTIVE. BUT I CAN'T SPEAK FOR COUNCIL AND WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL WOULD ENTERTAIN IN THE FUTURE. ONE THING TO CONSIDER, OBVIOUSLY, I WAS USING THE BREVARD COUNTY FIRE FEE AS KIND OF AN EXAMPLE. WHEN WE LOOK AT WHAT FIRE CONTROL OPERATING COSTS ARE PER CAPITA WITHIN AMONGST THE SAME CITIES WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT, YOU CAN SEE MELBOURNE'S JUST BELOW $250 PER PERSON. PALM BAY IS AT $150 PER PERSON. TITUSVILLE ROUGHLY 175 TO 180. COCOA IS VERY HIGH UP THERE AT $400 PER PERSON, PUNCHING ABOVE THEIR WEIGHT, WITH ONLY ABOUT 20,000 RESIDENTS, AND ROCKLEDGE IS JUST ABOVE THE 150 MARK. SO WHETHER OR NOT WE WOULD WIND UP AT THAT 212 OR WHETHER OR NOT WE WOULD WIND UP HIGHER, WE'D HAVE TO DO A STUDY TO ACTUALLY IDENTIFY THOSE ACTUAL COSTS AND WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE. SO JUST BEAR IN MIND THAT IT'S NOT WITHOUT COST, AND IT'S NOT WITHOUT PEOPLE WHO WOULD OTHERWISE, QUOTE UNQUOTE, LOSE DURING THE TAX SHIFT. WE ALREADY TOUCHED ON THIS, BUT JUST FOR THE SAKE OF REPEATING IT FOR THE PUBLIC, THE ORIGINAL BALLOT AMENDMENT INCLUDED LANGUAGE FOR A TRUST FUND FOR THE STATE TO PROVIDE TO ENSURE CONTINUED FUNDING FOR CORE SERVICES. TRUST FUND CORE SERVICES WERE PRETTY MUCH THE TWO BUZZWORDS AROUND THIS PART OF THE ARTICLE. BUT ULTIMATELY, THE ADOPTED BALLOT LANGUAGE DOES NOT INCLUDE THAT ORIGINALLY PROPOSED TRUST FUND LANGUAGE. SO AGAIN, WE HAVE AN UNKNOWN IMPACT TO THE CITY, IF ANY, AND WE WOULDN'T KNOW UNTIL THE IMPLEMENTATION SESSION IN THE EVENT THE BALLOT IS SUCCESSFUL. PRIOR CONVERSATIONS ON THIS WAS BASICALLY CENTERED AROUND FISCALLY CONSTRAINED COUNTIES. THESE WOULD BE YOUR, YOU KNOW, WASHINGTON COUNTY UP IN THE PANHANDLE AND KIND OF VERY LOW POPULATION, YOU KNOW, RESOURCE THIN TYPE COMMUNITIES. BREVARD COUNTY DOES NOT QUALIFY FOR THAT DISTINCTION. SO IN THE EVENT THAT THAT WAS WHAT THEY USED AS THE, THE, YOU KNOW, HOW THEY WOULD DEEM SOMEONE EITHER WORTHY OF THAT FUND OR NOT, THAT WOULD BE A POTENTIAL OPTION. WE WOULD NOT BE SUCCESSFUL IN RECEIVING ANY FUNDING IN THAT EVENT. MOVING ON TO OTHER TAX SHIFTS, QUOTE UNQUOTE, THE CITY OF MELBOURNE DOES NOT CURRENTLY HAVE A UTILITY TAX ON WATER AND SEWER SERVICES. WE DO RECEIVE A FRANCHISE FEE. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WE RECEIVE ON 6.5% OF ALL REVENUES GENERATED FROM WATER, SEWER AND RECLAIMED WATER SALES. WEST MELBOURNE, IN ADDITION TO THE SERVICES THAT THEY PAY US FOR, INSTITUTES, AN 8% UTILITY TAX ON TOP OF WHAT THEY CHARGE, INDIALANTIC HAS 10%, INDIAN HARBOR BEACH HAS 10%. THIS FUNCTIONS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE SEE WITH THE ELECTRIC FRANCHISE FEE AND UTILITY TAX. HOWEVER, JUST AS WE'VE KIND OF SEEN IN SOME OF THE OTHER AREAS WITHIN THE CITY, YOU JUST WENT THROUGH A RATE STUDY. YOU SAW SOME OF THE THE UPCOMING CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT ARE THAT ARE ONGOING AND THE& SIZE OF RATE INCREASES. WE'VE ALREADY HAD TO APPROVE AND PUSH ON TO YOUR RATEPAYERS. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS AN OPTION THAT COUNCIL WOULD CONSIDER PALATABLE, BUT IT IS WORTH AT LEAST NOTING THAT FOR THE NEXT FOUR YEARS, WE DO HAVE A BAKED IN ROUGHLY, YOU KNOW, 10%, 10.5% INCREASE EACH YEAR ALREADY. ANOTHER OPTION WE COULD CONSIDER IS THAT WE COULD INCREASE FEES ON DEVELOPERS FOR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND ENGINEERING SERVICES STAFF THAT COVER OUR ACTUAL STAFF COSTS, AND NOT SUBSIDIZING COMPLETE WORK THAT'S SUBMITTED. YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD INVOLVE SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF LIKELY CHARGING.

YOU KNOW, IF I WORKED FIVE HOURS ON THIS PROJECT, YOU ARE PAYING ME MY RATE FIVE HOURS. I CHANCES ARE WE'VE BEEN SUBSIDIZING THAT COST FOR AGES, DECADES. AND YOU KNOW, WE DO THAT AS A BUSINESS FRIENDLY, PRO-BUSINESS COMMUNITY. AND WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S APPETITE TO HAVE THEM PAY THE ACTUAL COST OF WHAT IT TAKES FOR US TO GET THROUGH WHAT'S SUBMITTED TO US IS TO COUNCIL'S PLEASURE. SIMILAR VEIN, WE COULD ALWAYS INCREASE RECREATION CHARGES FOR SERVICES. SO YOUR FACILITY, FACILITY RENTALS, YOUR DAY PASSES, ETC. YOU KNOW, IF

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YOU'RE GOING TO PLAY PICKLEBALL COURT AND YOU PAY TWO BUCKS BEFORE MAYBE YOU PAY FIVE BUCKS BEFORE. BUT AGAIN, IT'S THE COUNCIL'S PLEASURE OF WHAT WE WOULD LOOK AT TO TRY AND OFFSET SOME OF THESE REVENUE LOSSES. AND THEN THE LAST THING THERE, WE TOUCHED ON A LITTLE BIT ALREADY. YOUR STORMWATER, YOUR STORMWATER ASSESSMENT FEE THAT WE HAVE ON THE NON AD VALOREM PORTION OF YOUR TAX BILL RIGHT NOW, WE'VE HAD IT AT, I BELIEVE, $44 SINCE TIME IMMEMORIAL. I THINK I MAY HAVE BEEN VERY MUCH IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL WHEN IT WAS SET UP, AND IT HAS NOT REALLY INCREASED SINCE, BUT WE DO HAVE FURTHER AND FURTHER COST INCREASES FOR YOUR MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS TO MEET MS4 AND VMAP REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE BASICALLY UNFUNDED MANDATES TO US. SO IN ORDER TO COMPLY WITH THAT, WE COULD, IN THEORY, INCREASE THAT RATE ON TO THE RATEPAYERS AND HAVE SOME OF THOSE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION FUNCTIONS BE REIMBURSED THAT ARE CURRENTLY BEING PAID FOR BY THE GENERAL FUND. JUMPING BACK TO WHAT WE DISCUSSED IN FEBRUARY 10TH, IF YOU HAD TO GO THE NUCLEAR OPTION AND FIND, YOU KNOW, INITIALLY $10 MILLION OUT OF OUT OF YOUR NON PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENTS, REALISTICALLY, THERE ISN'T ONE DEPARTMENT THAT IS LISTED THERE THAT WOULD HAVE THAT EFFECT ALONE BY GETTING RID OF IT. YOU KNOW, IF YOU CAN SEE ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS THERE THAT ARE NOT PUBLIC SAFETY, ADD UP TO ROUGHLY A $27 MILLION HIT TO THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET. ONCE YOU CONSIDER WHAT REVENUES THOSE DEPARTMENTS RECEIVE VERSUS WHAT IT COSTS TO RUN THEM. SO IF YOU WERE TO ASK EACH OF THE DEPARTMENT HEADS BEHIND ME, PROBABLY GLARING AT THE BACK OF MY HEAD THAT I AM SUGGESTING THINGS IN THIS SLIDE ABOUT WHAT CAN AND CAN'T BE CUT, YOU WOULD BASICALLY BE SAYING, DO WITH WHAT YOU HAVE TODAY WITH A THIRD OF THE RESOURCES THAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE, AND I GUARANTEE YOU TO A T, NOT ONE OF THEM WOULD SAY THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO SO. MOST OF THESE BUDGETS ARE EITHER SOFTWARES THAT ARE CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGATED AND USED BY OUR PUBLIC SAFETY PARTNERS, OR THEY ARE THE PEOPLE THEMSELVES THAT RUN THE DEPARTMENT AND ARE THE ONLY REASON WHY WE'RE ABLE TO MEET MOST OF OUR MANDATED REQUIRED STATE REGULATORY REQUIREMENT TYPE SERVICES FOR FOR THE PUBLIC, REAL QUICK, GO AHEAD. I WOULD TAKE INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY OFF OF THAT LIST FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT IF THIS CITY GOT HIT WITH A RANSOMWARE, WE'D BE PAYING 20, 30, $40 MILLION IN ORDER TO GET OUR INFORMATION BACK. SO I WOULD IF YOU TAKE ALL OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS, I'D ADD ALL THAT MONEY INTO THEIR. THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL FEELING. YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE SEEING IT ACROSS THE LAND, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, SO AND, AND THIS IS AND IF THIS THING PASSES, WE'RE GOING TO BE EVEN WORSE SITTING DUCKS. AND SO IS EVERY OTHER CITY BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO START TO. BUT YEAH, BUT ALL DUE RESPECT, MR. LARUSSO, YOU LOOK DOWN THE LIST, PARKS AND REC. ARE WE GOING TO CLOSE PARKS? NO, NO, TAKE THEM ALL OFF. LET ME SEE SOMETHING, IF YOU WOULD, BECAUSE THIS WAS BROUGHT UP BY SOMEBODY THAT WORKS NOT IN OUR CITY, BUT FOR OUR CITY. AND ABOUT THE INFORMATION, INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY. AND SHE SAID, WILL WE BE ABLE TO UPDATE OUR SOFTWARE? AND SHE SAYS, WE HAVE THE UTILITIES ON THERE, ALL THAT INFORMATION. AND THAT, LIKE YOU SAID, THAT'S WHERE THAT PEOPLE'S INFORMATION WILL BE GETTING OUT OF THERE. WE WILL IF WE DON'T KEEP THE UPDATES GOING ON AND EVERYTHING ELSE. SO THAT IS A VERY CRUCIAL AREA THAT WE NEED TO KEEP, NO MATTER WHAT. I MEAN, YES, IT'S EXPENSIVE. WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET RID OF, I SHOULDN'T SAY GET RID OF, BUT NOT UPDATE CERTAIN THINGS AS QUICKLY AS WE WOULD LIKE TO. BUT FOR SECURITY REASONS, WE HAVE ALL THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE THEIR WATER BILLS. MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW, ALL THAT INFORMATION THAT AND WE HAVE TO KEEP IT UP BECAUSE IT'S WITH THE STATE. SO WE'RE KIND OF IN A, YOU KNOW, WELL, AND IRS AND OTHER GOVERNMENT AGENCIES. SO WE'RE KIND OF LIKE, THAT'S GOT TO STAY. I, THEY ALL GOT TO STAY. AND I, I MEAN, AFTER TALKING, WE, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT I'VE GONE SIT DOWN WITH DIFFERENT PEOPLE ALREADY. AND I WAS LIKE, OH MY GOD, I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THIS. OH, I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THAT ONE. BUT LIKE THE INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY, WE HAVE SO MUCH DATA. WE HAVE THEIR BANK ACCOUNTS. WE WHICH IS I MEAN, I HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH THE IRS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU I KNOW I'M SURE YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT AGENCY, BUT I HAVE THE IRS AND YOU'VE GOT TO KEEP IT IN IN A SECURE HOW SECURITY AND IT HAS TO BE UPDATED AND EVERYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT. SO WE CAN'T NECESSARILY GET DO AWAY WITH IT AT THAT. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY, MAYOR. MR. HANLEY, THIS IS ONLY RECOMMENDATIONS. AND THE NEXT COUNCIL IS GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE THESE HARD DECISIONS. IF THIS PASSES, I'M HOPING IT DOESN'T. WE'RE GOING TO BE WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT A BUDGET THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PASS,

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REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE THINK MAY HAPPEN OR MAY NOT HAPPEN. BUT I WILL TELL YOU THIS, I'LL BE WATCHING THE PREDICTION MARKETS AND I'LL BE WATCHING THE WHAT THE LINE IS IN VEGAS TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING TO PASS AND WHAT IS IT GOING TO PASS, BECAUSE THEY'LL KNOW BETTER THAN I DO. DRINK IN YOUR HAND IS. YEAH. I'M SORRY, MISS LAMB. I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THIS IS THIS WAS JUST FOR TO DEPICT HOW MUCH OUR OTHER DEPARTMENTS ARE FUNDED BY GENERAL FUND. SO OBVIOUSLY, I MEAN, IF WE GOT RID OF THE WHOLE FINANCE DEPARTMENT, WE CAN'T BUY ANYTHING. WE CAN'T DO PAYROLL AND WE CAN'T PAY ANY BILLS. I MEAN, WE'RE NOT GOING TO RESPOND TO A CITY NEEDS ALL THESE. I MEAN, I MEAN, WE NEED ALL THIS. I KNOW, IF YOU DON'T MIND, MISS BASSETT, YOU HAD SOME GOOD. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE THE FIRE TAX THING.

WOULD IT BE LIKE THE SAME FOR EACH HOUSEHOLD, OR WOULD IT BE BASED ON THE VALUE OF THE HOUSE OR HOW IT'S DEPENDENT ON LIKE WE WOULD HAVE TO BRING ON A PROFESSIONAL CONSULTANT FOR THIS. I THINK IT'S IN STATE STATUTES THAT IN ORDER TO IMPLEMENT IT, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH A PROFESSIONAL STUDY THAT'S A THIRD PARTY CONSULTANT. IN DOING SO, I THINK MOST THAT I'VE SEEN ARE BASED OFF OF BOTH THE USE OF THE PROPERTY. SO IF YOU'RE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, THERE'S USUALLY A SLIDING SCALE BASED OFF OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE SIZE OF THE HOME. SO THAT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S APPLIED EQUALLY AMONGST THOSE THAT WOULD HAVE TO PAY. ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, I BELIEVE THEY HAVE IN SOME INSTANCES, IF YOU'RE A, I DON'T KNOW FOR FOR A GOOD EXAMPLE, LIKE IF YOU'RE AN INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURER THAT HAS A SIGNIFICANT FIRE RISK TO IT, THEY WOULD PAY A SOME COMMISERATE HAZARD TYPE FEE AS OPPOSED TO SOMEONE WHO MIGHT JUST BE RUNNING, SAY, A DENTIST'S OFFICE NEARBY. LIKE THERE ARE WAYS THAT IT WOULD BE BUILT. SO IT WOULD BE EQUITABLE BASED OFF OF THE USAGE OF THE SERVICES. SO IT'S KIND OF DIFFICULT TO GIVE YOU ANY FORMAL WAY OF LOOKING AT IT. THE BREVARD COUNTY FIRE FEE FOR THAT PARTICULAR EXAMPLE WAS $212. I BELIEVE COCOA IS IN THAT SAME SITUATION WAS 197.

BEYOND THAT, WHETHER OR NOT WE WOULD FALL HIGHER THAN THEM, LOWER THAN THEM, I COULDN'T TELL YOU, TO BE HONEST. IT WOULD IT WOULD BE COMPLETELY DEPENDENT ON THE RESULTS OF THAT STUDY. NOW WOULD IT? IF WE DID HAVE TO GO THIS ROUTE, WOULD IT BE ENOUGH TO BRIDGE THAT GAP OF WHAT WE'RE LOSING? IDEALLY, WE WOULD STRUCTURE IT IN A WAY THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO HOPEFULLY COVER THE COSTS. OBVIOUSLY, THE DEPARTMENT FOR ITS ENTIRE BUDGET IS ROUGHLY IN THE REALM OF 27 TO $28 MILLION IN TOTAL. SO IN THEORY, EVEN IF YOU ONLY RAISE THE 15 MILLION YOU WERE MISSING, IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING WE COULD JUSTIFY THROUGH THAT. OKAY. IT WOULD BE MY MY AT LEAST INITIAL TAKE. BUT AGAIN, YOU'D STILL NEED A THIRD PARTY CONSULTANT TO GO THROUGH AND WALK US THROUGH OUR PACES ON IT. JUST TRYING TO GET ALL THE INFORMATION. THANK YOU.

MA'AM. OH, GOOD. MAYOR, I THINK, ROSS, YOU MENTIONED A FEW SLIDES BACK THE THE STORMWATER UTILITY FEE. AND YOU SAID THAT THAT SORT OF STAYED THE SAME. YES. YEAH. AND I GUESS MY QUESTION RELATED TO THAT, AND I KNOW AS WE CAME ON, WE DID, WE SORT OF PROPORTIONALLY MATCHED OUR MILLAGE RATES. ARE THERE OTHER FEES SIMILAR TO THAT THAT ARE SORT OF STAYED THE SAME FOR REALLY JUST NO RHYME OR REASON. AND IT'S NOT REALLY TO MATCH NECESSARILY INFLATION. I DON'T THINK EVERYTHING NEEDS TO TRY TO DO ANYTHING LIKE THAT COST OF LIVING, BUT IT'S MORE TO BE PROPORTIONATE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS ON THE CITY, REQUIREMENTS ON THE SYSTEM AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THERE ARE OTHER FEES OR FROM YOUR EXPERIENCE THAT LIKE THIS ONE THAT'S JUST STAYED THE SAME, YOU KNOW, FOR THESE ARE THE MOST COMMON TYPE OF NON FORMS THAT I'VE SEEN WITHIN THE STATE. YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A REASON TO LIKE A DUAL NEXUS TEST TO, TO BE ABLE TO CHARGE IT THAT YOU'RE BOTH THE PROPERTY THAT WOULD BENEFIT FROM THE FEE AND THE FEE WOULD BE USED FOR YOUR PROPERTY. AND I'M ASSUMING I'M ASSUMING I'M MISSING SOME OTHER ADDITIONAL CHALLENGES THERE THAT ADAM WOULD BE MORE PROBABLY APT TO DESCRIBE, BUT IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO DO ANYTHING BEYOND EITHER OF THOSE TWO, AT LEAST FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN IN OUR AREA. IF YOU WERE TO CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LEAVE THESE THINGS AT THE SAME LEVEL FOR YEARS, GENERALLY WHAT WE WIND UP SEEING IS THAT WE CAN DO FEWER AND FEWER PROJECTS, MAINTAIN FEWER AND FEWER ITEMS. I THINK A GREAT EXAMPLE WITH THE STORMWATER UTILITY, AND I THINK MISS LAMB WILL JUMP IN AT ANY MOMENT HERE ON THIS ONE.

THE STORMWATER UTILITY FEE OBVIOUSLY WAS DESIGNED FOR ADDITIONAL WATER TREATMENT AND, YOU KNOW, INFRASTRUCTURE DESIGNED TO HELP HANDLE SOME OF THE STORMWATER. IT WAS NOT EVER DESIGNED TO MAINTAIN IT. ONCE YOU PUT IT INTO THE GROUND, IT WAS ONLY EVER ENOUGH TO PUT THE BAFFLE BOX IN. BUT NOW WE STILL HAVE TO FUND THE ACTUAL MAINTENANCE AND UPKEEP OF IT AND EVENTUAL REPLACEMENT OF IT USING THE SAME FEE, WHICH HASN'T INCREASED IN THE ENTIRE LIFE OF THE ASSET. SO IF I CAN JUMP IN ON THIS ONE AND I GOT AN ADDITIONAL QUESTION. SO THE STORMWATER UTILITY FEE, IT WAS ORIGINALLY CREATED FOR WATER QUALITY. THAT'S WHEN YOU KNOW, THE ISSUES WITH THE LAGOON AND SO FORTH. THAT IS SOME OF THE OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE THAT WE DO PAY FOR OUT OF STORMWATER UTILITY. LIKE SO OUR VAC TRUCK THAT CLEANS OUT THE BAFFLE BOXES AND THE CREW THAT CLEANS OUT THE BAFFLE BOXES IS FUNDED PART OF THROUGH PART OF STORMWATER UTILITY. HOWEVER, IT DOESN'T FUND ALL OF OUR LIKE MOWING OF THE DITCHES ARE

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REPLACING DETERIORATED PIPES, YOU KNOW, DETERIORATED INLETS. AND SO THAT'S ALL THOSE ARE ALL COMPONENTS OF A STORMWATER SYSTEM. SO AND THAT, THAT MAINTENANCE COST, I MEAN, IT CAN'T GET TO LAGOON IF ALL OF THAT'S COLLAPSED OR IT'S CLOGGED UP. SO, SO MAYOR, WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS BECAUSE THIS IS SORT OF THE REHASHING THIS CAME UP WHEN WE DID THE MILLAGE AND WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION. SO I THINK THAT THAT IT WOULD BE MAYBE PRUDENT ON US IF WE LOOK AT ALL OF THOSE AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, AND WE'RE NOT INCREASING THEM. SO IT'S NOT REALLY A TAX TO ME, IT'S MORE OF A CORE CITY SERVICE. AND THINGS ARE PROPORTIONAL BASED OFF OF EVERYTHING LIKE THEY JUST STATED. RIGHT? SO IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, INCREASING JUST BECAUSE ARBITRARILY, BUT BECAUSE THERE IS A SERVICE THAT WE HAVE TO DO AS A CITY. SO I THINK IT WOULD BE PRUDENT IF WE COULD MAYBE GET AN IDEA OF, OF ALL OF THOSE AND MAYBE SAY, YOU KNOW, SO EVEN BECAUSE WE'RE DOING THIS RIGHT, THIS EXERCISE NOW BECAUSE OF THE CUTS THAT ARE COMING TO US, BUT I THINK THAT THE WISE LOOK WOULD SAY MAYBE SOME OF THESE THINGS NEED TO BE ADDRESSED ON AN ONGOING BASIS. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M GETTING AT. SO I'VE GOT A QUESTION. GOOD. OKAY. NOW, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE'S CERTAIN FEES THAT HAS TO STAY WITH, THERE HAVE TO STAY WITH, THEY HAVE TO DO WITH CERTAIN THINGS. NOW WITH THE STORMWATER, IT CANNOT GO INTO THE GENERAL FUND OR CAN IT GO INTO THE GENERAL. IT CANNOT GO INTO THE GENERAL FUND. OKAY. THAT'S WHY I WANT TO MAKE SURE. SO EVEN IF WE WE DID INCREASE STORMWATER UTILITY, WHAT WOULD. OUR BENEFIT WOULD BE THAT THAT WE WOULD BE TAKING IF WE HAVE GENERAL FUND, WE DON'T HAVE IT OVER HERE IN THE GENERAL FUND. AND WE INCREASED STORMWATER.

YOUR GENERAL FUND IS CURRENTLY SUBSIDIZING STORMWATER UTILITY EFFECTIVELY. OKAY. SO WERE YOU TO INCREASE THE STORMWATER FEE. AND AGAIN, THIS ARGUMENT APPLIES TO BOTH THE FIRE FEE.

IF YOU WERE TO IMPLEMENT IT OR THE LIKE, ALL YOU'RE REALLY DOING IS TAKING PRESSURE OFF OF THE GENERAL FUND FROM PERFORMING THE FUNCTIONS THAT THOSE FEES WOULDN'T HAVE ALREADY BEEN PAYING FOR. SO, OKAY, SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THE NUMBERS, BUT APPROXIMATELY THE AVERAGE HOME IN MELBOURNE, MEDIAN HOME, WHAT WOULD WE HAVE TO CHARGE TO COVER OUR STORMWATER? THAT REQUIRES A STUDY AND ASSESSMENT. UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK IN THAT STUDY WE KIND OF LOOKED COMPREHENSIVELY. BUT AND THAT'S LIKE ADAM SAID, FOR THE FIRE ASSESSMENT FEE, THAT THERE ARE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT FEE. AND, AND, YOU KNOW, CITIES LIKE CITY OF KISSIMMEE JUST WENT THROUGH THEIR STUDY PROCESS AND ADOPTED A FIRE ASSESSMENT FEE.

CITY OF SANFORD RECENTLY DID IT AS WELL. THERE ARE ALSO LESSONS LEARNED FROM CITIES WHO'VE DONE IT RECENTLY. AND, AND COURTS DETERMINED THAT THEY DIDN'T DO IT APPROPRIATELY. THE CITY OF OCALA PAID PRETTY SIGNIFICANT PENALTIES FOR THEIR FIRE ASSESSMENT FEES THAT WERE NOT APPROPRIATELY IMPLEMENTED AND WERE DETERMINED TO BE A TAX RATHER THAN THE THAN THE FEE STRUCTURE THAT THE STATUTE. SO IT'S IT'S ONE THAT WE'RE GOING TO WANT TO CROSS EVERY T AND DOT EVERY I, WHICH REQUIRES THE STUDY PROCESS. YEAH. IT'S IT'S, IT'S SERIOUS MONEY AND, AND SERIOUS THINGS. AND SO WE WOULD, WE WOULD ABSOLUTELY BE USING OUR, THE, THE OUTSIDE COUNSEL AND, AND CONSULTANTS THAT WE OFTEN USE FOR OUR BOND ISSUANCES. AND THAT WOULD LIKELY BE THE SAME PEOPLE THAT WE'D BE UTILIZING IF WE WERE ASSESSING OR DOING STUDIES ON WHAT, WHETHER IT'S FIRE ASSESSMENT FEES, A DIFFERENT STRUCTURE FOR STORMWATER ASSESSMENT FEE, WE'D BE UTILIZING THOSE RESOURCES TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE ON SOLID FOOTING FOR THE AMOUNT. AND THE, AS ROSS WAS SAYING, THE EQUITABLE STRUCTURE OF HOW, YOU KNOW, AN ESCALATING FEE WAS STRUCTURED. HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE FOR. I KNOW YOU CAN'T GIVE ME THE EXACT AMOUNT, BUT A TIME. IF WE SAID TONIGHT, SAY WE WANT THE STORMWATER UTILITY. LOOK AT THE STORMWATER UTILITY. HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE FOR THAT STUDY TO BE DONE? I, I DON'T HAVE AN EXACT TIME FRAME BECAUSE IF IT'S FIRE, IT'S PROBABLY ONE THING. IF IT'S STORMWATER, IT'S ANOTHER. BUT I CAN TELL YOU, IF WE WAIT UNTIL NOVEMBER, I DO NOT THINK WE CAN CAN GET THE STUDY DONE AND MAKE THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS IN ORDER TO POST THE FACT THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THOSE FEES. I DON'T I THINK THAT'S TOO CONDENSED OF A TIME FRAME TO HAVE THAT IN EFFECT BY OCTOBER 1ST OF 2027. SO IF IF WE'RE INTERESTED IN PURSUING THOSE, OR AT LEAST LOOKING INTO BOTH OF THOSE FEES, WE NEED TO START BEFORE THE VOTE. YEAH, LET'S LET'S LOOK AT IT AND LET'S SEE WHAT THE COST IS. YOU KNOW, WHAT THE COST OF SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, ARE WE TALKING WAY OUT THERE OR, OR, OR WHAT? WHERE, WHERE ARE THE COST IS. SO ROSS OUT OF WE'RE DOING BUDGET. WE'RE DOING THE THINGS. SO THIS IS THE TIME WE NEED TO KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING, WHERE WE NEED TO GO. BALL BALLPARK FIGURE. WHAT WAS OUR

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STUDY COST WITH REF TELUS FOR WATER AND SEWER RATE THAT WE JUST THAT WE JUST RECENTLY DID ABOUT 125,000 ON THE LOW END WOULD BE MY GUESS ON THIS FOR THIS PARTICULAR EFFORT BECAUSE YOU'RE STARTING FROM SCRATCH. YEAH. I MEAN, I'M SAYING THAT'S, THAT'S A, THAT'S A, THAT'S A FLAW, RIGHT? I EXPECTED A PREEXISTING STUDY. WE HAD A PREEXISTING RELATIONSHIP WITH REF TELUS. THEY ALREADY HAD MOST OF OUR DATA AVAILABLE TO THEM. SO THAT'S, THAT'S A REAL LOWBALL KIND OF ESTIMATE FOR IT 300,000. IT COULD VERY WELL BE THAT HIGH. I MEAN, I'D RATHER BE HIGH. AND THEN. RIGHT. YOU HAVE SOMETHING GOOD. YEAH. YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE START DIVING INTO ALL THAT, AND I THINK WE SHOULD DO IT IN PARALLEL THOUGH, IS THAT THE WE'RE SUBSIDIZING SO MANY DIFFERENT ENTITIES OUT OF OUR GENERAL FUND. IN THE MEETING THAT I HAD WITH WITH MISS LAMB TODAY, FDOT. THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, AS YOU PUT UP HERE IN SERVICES AND DEVELOPERS, WE'RE SUBSIDIZING A LOT OF DIFFERENT AVENUES THAT WE SHOULD CAP THAT RIGHT NOW.

THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT IMMEDIATELY SO THAT WE DON'T WE'RE NOT SPENDING ANOTHER 5% OF OUR GENERAL FUNDS ON SUBSIDIZING OTHER ENTITIES. SO I WOULD SAY THAT WOULD BE ONE THING THAT I WOULD WANT. I WOULD LIKE THE DOT RIGHT. RIGHT OFF THE BAT, I'M RIGHT WITH YOU.

I'D VOTE RIGHT OFF THE BAT. AND THEN BUT THOUGH IN IN PARALLEL, IF THIS COUNCIL AGREES, THE THE STUDIES THAT WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND GOING INTO NOVEMBER. SO I DON'T THINK IT'S JUST A. I THINK IT'S A FORK. IT'S LIKE 3 OR 4 PRONGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET OUR ARMS AROUND.

BUT I SPECIFICALLY WOULD LIKE TO KNOW ABOUT THESE, THESE FEES THAT WE'RE SUBSIDIZING. SO IF WE GOT TO SAY, SORRY, FDOT, MOW YOUR OWN LAWN, I GOT NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. YES, THERE'S SLIDES TO THAT EFFECT LATER ON. SO YES, DEFINITELY. BUT THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR. THERE'S CONSENSUS. THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO SAY, MISS HANLEY, IS THAT I WANTED TO I WANT TO RUN IN PARALLEL. IS THIS NOT JUST A SINGLE EFFORT CONVERSATION, BUT I MEAN, YEAH, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF WORK TO DO IN FRONT OF US. A LOT OF WORK. YEAH. AND LOOKING AT THAT WITH THE DOT BECAUSE MISS LANE, WE'VE TALKED, SHE'S TALKED AND I FORGOT WHAT ELSE WAS ON THERE. AND IT WAS LIKE, OKAY, WE'RE DONE. LET'S MOVE ON. LET'S, LET'S, I MEAN, I'M SURE THERE'S GOING TO BE OTHER CITIES THAT ARE GOING TO DO THE SAME THING WITH THE DOT, BECAUSE IT'S COSTING US MORE MONEY TO KEEP OUR, OUR CITY UP. LET'S DO IT. LET'S GET IF WE CAN GET OUT OF THE CONTRACT RIGHT TONIGHT, LET'S DO IT. LET'S GO AND MOVE FORWARD. I THINK WE HAVE AGREEMENT ON THAT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO REAL QUICK TO JUMP BACK INTO WE WERE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT TAX SHIFTS.

MOSTLY. WE JUST STARTED TOUCHING ON EXPENDITURE SIDE. IF WE WERE TO CUT MEASURES OUT OF THE EXISTING GENERAL FUND, ONE OF THE OPTIONS THAT WERE WAS ALSO DISCUSSED AT THE FEBRUARY 10TH. IF YOU'RE GOING TO GO THE FIRE FEE ROUTE AND YOU'RE GOING TO CHARGE SOMETHING THAT'S 400 $500 COMPARED TO BREVARD COUNTY'S 212 OR EVEN WHATEVER THEIRS WOULD BE IN THE EVENT THAT WE WERE TO GO AND OPT TO CONSOLIDATE SERVICES WITH THEM FOR WHATEVER REASON, IT WOULD BEHOOVE YOU TO ALSO KIND OF KEEP THAT IN MIND THAT WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THAT FEE WOULD LOOK LIKE. BREVARD AND COCOA DO, BUT WE WE'VE NEVER DONE ONE. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT SCOPE IS. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. AND TO BE FRANK, A LOT OF THE ADDITIONAL BILLS THAT HAVE BEEN PASSED BY THE LEGISLATURE ARE ARE COST INCREASING BILLS AND ADDITIONAL UNFUNDED MANDATES THAT WOULD ONLY EXACERBATE THE SITUATION. SO AGAIN, LOOKING BACK AT THE PER CAPITA COSTS, WE WERE ABOUT $250 BY COMPARISON TO OUR PEERS WHO ARE MORE IN THE 150 TO 175 RANGE. SO WHETHER OR NOT THAT MEANS THAT WE HAVE A HIGHER FIRE FEE, I COULD NOT TELL YOU, BUT EVEN IF WE WERE TO DO THAT, THAT SAME RESIDENT THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN PAYING, YOU KNOW, THE ADDITIONAL $85 TO US, NOW THEY'RE JUST PAYING IT TO THE COUNTY. SO AGAIN, IT'S NOT THERE'S NO REAL GREAT REASON ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, BUT IT'S SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND THAT THE IDEA TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD BE TO ACHIEVE ECONOMIES OF SCALE AND HAVE LESS OVERHEAD GENERALLY FOR A GREATER, WIDER AREA OF SERVICE.

OTHER POTENTIAL REDUCTIONS IN SERVICES THAT YOU COULD, COULD PURSUE. I WAS TRYING TO LOOK AT THIS GENERALLY WITH A, A PRESERVE, YOU KNOW, JOBS AS BEST WE CAN MENTALITY. YOU COULD SUNSET YOUR DOWNTOWN CRA EARLY. WE CURRENTLY PUT ABOUT $1.3 MILLION AFTER THE EXPENSES THAT ARE PAID OUT OF IT FROM THE GENERAL FUND INTO THE DOWNTOWN CRA ANNUALLY. BUT THAT WOULD REQUIRE YOU TO BASICALLY ABANDON CERTAIN PROGRAMS LIKE THE DOWNTOWN STREET PROJECT AND ANYTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE FUNDED THROUGH CRA DOLLARS. YOUR OLD EAU GALLIE CRA, THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER 848,000. AGAIN, WITH THE CONSOLIDATION ASPECT OF IT, THAT THERE WERE BILLS TO THE EFFECT OF, OF ALMOST FORCING US TO USE THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. OBVIOUSLY, IT DIDN'T PASS, BUT WHETHER OR NOT THOSE WILL BE ADDITIONAL EFFORTS IN FUTURE YEARS, WHO'S TO SAY ONE THING WE COULD DO IS PERMANENTLY DELAY THE PURSUIT OF FIRE STATION 73, WHICH WOULD BE THE MOST LIKELY STATION AFTER THE STATION 72 WAS CONSTRUCTED. THAT WOULD SAVE US

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ROUGHLY $810,000 IN DEBT SERVICE THAT WE WERE PLANNING ON REPURPOSING. FROM YOUR 2018 NON-AD VALOREM NOTE, AND YOU CAN ALWAYS GO BACK ON YOUR YOUR DEDICATED REVENUE STREAMS FOR KNEE REPLACEMENT AND PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PROGRAMS. THOSE WOULD OBVIOUSLY UNDO WHAT PROBABLY TOOK MOST MORE THAN THE BETTER PART OF A DECADE TO TRY AND GET THAT EVEN TO WHERE WE WERE BEING FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE WITH IT, ADDITIONAL PAIN POINTS AND POSSIBLE REDUCTION AREAS. YOU COULD CLOSE ALL CITY OPERATED POOLS. WE LOSE ABOUT $560,000 A YEAR TO OPERATE THEM. FROM THE GENERAL FUNDS PERSPECTIVE, WICKHAM PARK AND EDDIE LEE TAYLOR, SENIOR COMMUNITY CENTERS, THOSE ARE BOTH OWNED BY THE COUNTY AND LEASED TO US FOR OPERATION. SO IN THEORY, WE COULD RETURN THEM FOR OPERATION BY THE COUNTY. THAT WOULD SAVE US $806,000. ALL SAID AND TOLD. IF YOU WERE TO CLOSE O'GALLEY AND THE JOSEPH AND DAVIS CENTERS, BY COMPARISON, YOU'D SAVE $763,000. YOU COULD CLOSE THE MELBOURNE AUDITORIUM, WHICH WE ALL KNOW HAS SIGNIFICANT NEED FOR REPAIR, REPLACEMENT, SOME LEVEL OF FIXTURE TO IT.

THAT ONE LOSES US ROUGHLY ABOUT $450,000 A YEAR AS WELL. JUMPING FORWARD, IF YOU THINK ABOUT CITY COVERED EVENTS, ONES THAT ARE NOT PAID FOR BY A THIRD PARTY. THE MAIN ONE THAT WE USUALLY DO AND IT'S COMING UP IS MELBOURNE. THAT'S GENERALLY GOING TO BE ABOUT $70,000 IN GENERAL FUND COSTS THAT DON'T COVER THINGS LIKE WHAT THE DONATIONS DO, WHICH IS YOUR, YOU KNOW, YOUR FIREWORKS, THE FOOD AND THE LIKE. BUT THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF STAFF TIME OVER TIME THAT IS CAPTURED THAT NOT CAPTURED BY THOSE DONATIONS AND COST THE CITY A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT EACH YEAR. AND WE HAVE A COUPLE OF EVENTS LIKE THAT. SO THAT'S 70,000 IN CAPTURES OR CAPTURES THE NOT JUST MELBOURNE, BUT THAT'S THE BIGGEST ONE.

THAT'S GENERALLY THE BIGGEST ONE. YEAH. SO JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, YOU DO HAVE DUES THAT YOU PAY TO LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS AND LOBBYIST SERVICES. THAT TOTALS UP TO ABOUT $100,000 OF YOUR NON-DEPARTMENTAL BUDGET GRANTS AND AIDS $185,000. ADDITIONALLY, YOUR CLASS A UNIFORMS AND YOUR PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENTS, WE SPEND ABOUT 30 GRAND ANNUALLY ON THAT EMPLOYEE ENGAGEMENT RECOGNITION. THERE'S ANOTHER TEN GRAND. SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THAT EVEN IF YOU WERE TO REDUCE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT MAYBE DON'T IMPACT THE OPERATIONAL ABILITIES OF THE CITY, BUT THESE THESE MAY BE SOME OF THOSE EXAMPLES OF THINGS THAT WE MAY NOT HAVE A DECREASE IN LEVEL OF SERVICE, BUT WE COULD FREE UP THAT FUNDING. LAST SLIDE. I THINK THAT'S TO THIS EFFECT. YOU KNOW, WE COULD ALWAYS REVIEW OUR SOFTWARE SUBSCRIPTIONS GENERALLY. YOU KNOW, I THINK MOST PEOPLE WOULD CLASSIFY THEM AS NEEDS. SOME THINGS MAKE US MORE EFFICIENT. BUT IF IT'S COST PROHIBITIVE TO MAKE US EFFICIENT, SOMETHING WE CAN ALWAYS REVISIT AND LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE FEDERAL AND STATE HOUSING GRANTS, IT COST THE GENERAL FUND ROUGHLY $550,000 TO OPERATE THAT. SO WE ARE SUBSIDIZING THOSE GRANTS TO TO AN EFFECT, BUT WE ARE RECEIVING $1.2 MILLION OUTSIDE OF THE PROGRAM ADMINISTRATION TO OPERATE THOSE FUNDS THAT GOES INTO COMMUNITY BASED GRANTS. SO ANOTHER CONSIDERATION FOR YOU TO LOOK AT. WE CAN ELIMINATE ALL NON REQUIRED TRAVEL, EDUCATION, TRAINING, TUITION, PROBABLY FREE UP AT LEAST $250,000 WITHIN THE GENERAL FUND. FOR THAT PURPOSE, WE COULD ELIMINATE ALL THE REMAINING CHRONICALLY VACANT POSITIONS, WHICH RIGHT ABOUT NOW WOULD BE ABOUT $1 MILLION IN SAVINGS. BUT THAT WOULD ALSO INVOLVE CUTTING THINGS LIKE 18 COMM CENTER STAFFING, YOU KNOW, POSITIONS OR ADDITIONAL ITEMS THAT WE MAY LOOK AT AND SAY, NO, WE REALLY DO NEED THAT. SO JUST, JUST AN OPTION THERE. SOME THINGS THAT I'VE SEEN SOME OTHER MUNICIPALITIES ALREADY START LOOKING INTO WAS ALTERING CITY EMPLOYEE CONTRIBUTION RATIOS IN OUR HEALTH INSURANCE. SOME CITIES, IF YOU'RE A SINGLE EMPLOYEE AND YOU'RE YOU'RE PARTICIPATING IN THE HEALTH PLAN, YOU DON'T PAY ANYTHING.

THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF LIKE US. SOME PLACES YOU PAY AND WHAT THOSE RATIOS LOOK LIKE, OR WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S A LOWER QUALITY OF BENEFITS THAT WE'D BE WILLING TO ACCEPT TO ABSORB SOME COST INCREASES. THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER AS WELL. ROSS, REAL QUICK, I'M GOING TO SAVE YOU SOME MONEY STARTING JULY 1ST. WE'RE JUMPING OFF OF THE INSURANCE FOR THE CITY.

WE'RE GOING TO MEDICARE. SO THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTRIBUTION, KIND SIR.

THAT'S THAT'S THE LEAST I COULD DO FOR YOU. EXCELLENT. SO JUST TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF THE MAGNITUDE OF ALL THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING, AGAIN, THESE ARE NOT THINGS THAT I'M WANTING TO TELL YOU OR WANTING TO RECOMMEND OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. BUT IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT 28 AND LOSING ROUGHLY THAT 9.9 MILLION AND 29, LOSING ROUGHLY THAT 4.9, EVEN WITH EVERYTHING WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, YOU'RE STILL LOOKING FOR ANOTHER $400,000 TO CUT OUT OF THE BUDGET ON A RECURRING BASIS, AND THAT'S ASSUMING THAT NOTHING ELSE INCREASES. DURING THOSE TWO YEARS, NO ONE WOULD HAVE A RAISE. WE'D ALL BE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF SITTING AROUND HOPING NOTHING BREAKS THAT ISN'T CURRENTLY IN THE BUDGET. I KNOW I KIND OF JINXED THE CHILLERS, AND I THINK I WOEFULLY REGRET THAT. BUT TO NOT LOSE THE THE SEVERITY AND THE MAGNITUDE OF THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'RE HAVING, THAT IS WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO EVEN GET

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THROUGH THE FIRST TWO YEARS. REAL QUICK, I NOTICED YOU HAVE ON THAT LIST. AND OF COURSE, THIS IS JUST I'M KIND OF SHOCKED LOOKING AT CLOTHES AND JOSEPH AND DAVID CLOSING O'GALLEY COMMUNITY CENTER, CLOSING OUR CITY OPERATED POOLS, ALL THAT FUN ON THE LIST. AND I MEAN, IT'S TO COUNCIL'S PLEASURE. WHAT WE LOOK AT AND WHAT YOU WANT US TO FOCUS IN ON.

UNDERSTAND THAT I'M JUST I DON'T THINK I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR OUR RESIDENTS, FOR THE CITY, WITH OTHER CITIES THAT ONLY I DON'T THINK THE STATE OF FLORIDA EVEN HAS AN IDEA. NO, I DON'T, I DON'T THEY ABSOLUTELY DON'T. WHICH IS WHY I THINK WE NEED SOME COMBINATION OF LOOK AT THE TAX SHIFT. LOOK AT THESE ASSESSMENT FEES, LOOK AT HOW WE CAN OFFSET HOW MUCH WE HAVE TO ELIMINATE FOR SERVICES. AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S A BALANCE THERE.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. DO YOU WANT TO GO FORWARD. GO AHEAD. ABSOLUTELY. SO THAT WAS ACTUALLY THE LAST SLIDE. I HAD DEDICATED AT LEAST TO THE LEGISLATIVE UPDATE. SO AGAIN THOSE ARE IMPACTS THAT PROVIDED THE BALLOT IS SUCCESSFUL, WE WOULD AT LEAST NEED TO EXPLORE SOMETHING TO THOSE MAGNITUDES TO AT LEAST ENSURE THAT THE CURRENT LEVELS OF SERVICES OUTSIDE OF THOSE THAT WERE LISTED THERE, IF THAT WERE COUNCIL'S PLEASURE, THAT'S THE TYPE OF CUTS YOU WOULD BE MAKING. SO BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO ITEM 18, WE WOULD LIKE TO GIVE TIME ONE FOR COUNCIL TO DISCUSS, BUT ALSO FOR ADAM TO TALK ABOUT WHAT IS ALLOWED AND NOT ALLOWED.

WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS PROPOSED TAX AMENDMENT. SO I FEEL LIKE I'M ADDING INSULT TO INJURY. BUT. YOU WOULD HAVE RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM ME UNDER SEPARATE COVER LAST WEEK TALKING ABOUT NOW THAT THE PROPOSED BALLOT QUESTION HAS BEEN SUBMITTED AND IS AND IS SLATED TO BE ON THE BALLOT IN NOVEMBER, THERE'S A STATE LAW, PART OF THE FLORIDA ELECTION CODE THAT HEAVILY RESTRICTS THE CITY'S, ITS EMPLOYEES, AND EVEN ITS ELECTED OFFICIALS ABILITY TO USE CITY FUNDS AND RESOURCES TO DISTRIBUTE INFORMATION TO THE ELECTORS ON ON THIS TOPIC, UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S IT'S A DIFFICULT TOPIC TO SUMMARIZE BECAUSE THE LAW CHANGED IN 2022 AND IS A BIT HARD TO DECIPHER AND UNDERSTAND. I KNOW I PROVIDED YOU KIND OF A CHEAT SHEET. I WILL SAY THAT FOR YOU AS ELECTED OFFICIALS, THE LAW DOES RECOGNIZE THAT AS OUR ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES FOR THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, THAT THERE'S AN EXPECTATION THAT YOU'LL SPEAK ON ISSUES OF PUBLIC IMPORTANCE. I WILL JUST YOU KNOW, IT'S SORT OF THE IRONY OF ALL IRONIES, RIGHT? WE HAVE OUR GOVERNMENT IN THE SUNSHINE LAW OR PUBLIC RECORDS LAW, RIGHT.

AND SOME EXPECTATION OF ACCOUNTABILITY OF WHEN YOU'RE ACTING IN YOUR OFFICIAL CAPACITY OF SORT OF PRESERVING THAT INFORMATION AND OTHER THINGS IN THIS PARTICULAR LAW IS NOW SAYING, PLEASE DON'T USE CITY RESOURCES TO ACTUALLY ENGAGE IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS.

RIGHT. AND SO AS SILLY AS IT SOUNDS, AND IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, COME, COME TALK TO ME OFFLINE, BUT BE CAREFUL ABOUT USING CITY PHONE, CITY EMAIL CITY, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT ARE PROVIDED BY THE CITY TO DO SIGNIFICANT ADVOCACY ON, ON THIS BALLOT QUESTION, RIGHT? IF WE'RE DISTRIBUTING FACTUAL INFORMATION, THAT'S THAT'S ONE THING. BUT IF IT'S AN OUTRIGHT PLEASE VOTE YES, PLEASE VOTE NO, WHATEVER THAT MAY BE, IT MAY BE BEST TO AVOID USING CITY RESOURCES AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE IN THAT I KNOW THAT SOUNDS CRAZY, BUT THAT'S AS I'M AS I READ THAT LAW, AS IT'S EXISTED NOW SINCE 2022, THAT'S THAT'S WHAT IT'S SUGGESTING.

GOOD QUESTION. HOLD ON. GO AHEAD, MISS HANLEY, THEN, BECAUSE I WAS ALREADY ASKED BY AN ORGANIZATION TO COME TALK ABOUT THIS LAST NIGHT. YEAH. SO I GAVE HIM MY CITY PHONE. SO YOU KNOW MY CITY PHONE NUMBER. SO IT IS IF IF YOU'RE BEING INVITED TO BE THERE IN PERSON AND SPEAK, I THINK THAT THAT'S FINE. OKAY. BECAUSE NOW YOU GOT ME WORRIED. NO I'M SORRY. YEAH.

ISSUES WITH MY PHONE. SO SOME OF MY EMAILS DIDN'T COME THROUGH AND HAVE TO COME TO THE MOTHERSHIP. I HAD TO COME TO THE MOTHERSHIP. YOU'RE ALWAYS YOU'RE ALWAYS GOING TO BE FREE TO SPEAK IN DIRECT COMMUNICATION WITH PEOPLE ON, ON THESE TOPICS, RIGHT? THEY ASKED THEY WANTED A CITY PERSON WITH THE CITY TO DISCUSS HOW THIS WOULD AFFECT US. IF YOU'RE DOING THAT IN PERSON AND YOU'RE THERE, YOU'RE FINE. OKAY. BUT I MEAN, THEY STILL CAN EMAIL ME BECAUSE NOW YOU GOT ME. NOW YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, IT'S MORE AGAIN, THE, THE LAW IS TALKING ABOUT COMMUNICATIONS TO ELECTORS, RIGHT? AND SO IF YOU WERE, IF YOU WERE TRYING TO DRAFT AN EMAIL TO EVERY PERSON IN THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, I WOULD SAY EXACTLY. I WOULD SAY MAYBE DON'T USE YOUR CITY EMAIL TO DO THAT. AS CRAZY AS THAT SOUNDS, I KNOW THAT. I KNOW THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. SOMETIMES THE LAW DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. SO BUT SO IN, YOU

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KNOW, IT'S GOING TO BE CASE BY CASE. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT WITH CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, TALKED ABOUT IT WITH DIRECTORS TODAY. SO THEY KIND OF UNDERSTAND THE, THE RULES AND WHAT AND WHAT THEY CAN DO. IT'S A LITTLE BIT IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE RELAXED FOR YOU AS AS ELECTED OFFICIALS. BUT AGAIN, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT, AND AGAIN, IT'S GOING TO BE MORE TOWARDS OFFICIAL CITY ACTIONS, RIGHT? SO WE AS CITY STAFF, YOU KNOW, OR COUNCIL GAVE US DIRECTION. LET'S PUT SOMETHING ON THE WEBSITE. LET'S LET'S DO A SOCIAL MEDIA CAMPAIGN. THAT'S WHERE THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING TO BE RAISING MY ARMS AND SAYING, WELL, LET'S BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT THE CONTENT OF, OF WHAT THAT MESSAGING LOOKS LIKE. WE CAN OBVIOUSLY, IN THESE PUBLIC MEETINGS, WE CAN WE CAN BE HAVING THESE DISCUSSIONS. BUT WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT THE CITY AS, AS THE ENTITY IS GOING TO BE PUSHING OUT AS, AS INFORMATION, IT, IT SOMEWHAT HAS TO BE PASSIVE. WE CAN MAKE INFORMATION AVAILABLE, BUT WE CAN'T SEND IT DIRECTLY TO OUR CONSTITUENTS AND THE ELECTORS. AND WHEN WE DO DO THAT, IT NEEDS TO BE VERY MUCH FACTUAL INFORMATION AND NOT ON AN ADVOCACY BASIS. OKAY. MR. NEWMAN, YOU HAD SOME, YOU KNOW, AND HONESTLY, ADAM ANSWERED MY QUESTION. SO THANK YOU. OF COURSE. OKAY. THIS BUT THIS SCARES ME BECAUSE I'VE SPOKEN TO JENNY WHERE PEOPLE THAT I THOUGHT WOULD BE FOR THIS BILL. THEY'RE LIKE, WELL, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO PAY FOR, YOU KNOW, THE POTHOLES AND EVERYTHING ELSE? AND PEOPLE THAT YOU THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE AGAINST IT ARE LIKE, OH, I JUST HAD SOMEBODY THAT I THOUGHT WAS IN THE KNOW, TURN AROUND AND GOES, OH, I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE TO PAY MY $6,900 IN PROPERTY TAXES. AND I'M LIKE, YEAH, WHAT DO YOU THINK? HOW THIS, HOW, HOW, HOW THE ROADS GOING TO BE TAKEN OR THE, YOU KNOW, THE LAWN MOWING, JUST THE SIMPLE THINGS THAT WE DO HERE IN THE CITY OF MELBOURNE. YEAH. YOU BRING UP A VERY GOOD POINT ABOUT THE QUALITY OF LIFE. AND I SHARED A ARTICLE WITH MISS LAMB EARLIER TODAY FROM A PINELLAS COUNTY COMMISSIONER IN IT. BASICALLY, IT SAYS THAT THEIR WORKFORCE WILL GO FROM THE AGE OF 50 TO 70 WITHIN TEN YEARS. AND SO WITH ALL THE ALL THE FORMULAS THAT GO ALONG WITH THAT, AND I DON'T NEED TO GET INTO THAT. BUT IF THAT'S THE CASE, AND IF WE HAVE OUR WORKFORCE GOING FROM 50, THE MEDIAN AGE OF 50 TO 70, HOW ARE WE GOING TO HOW ARE WE GOING TO HANG ON TO BOEING? HOW ARE WE GOING TO HANG ON TO GRUMMAN? HOW ARE WE GOING TO HANG ON TO L3 HARRIS? BECAUSE THE THE YOUNGER FOLKS OR YOUNGER THAN ME ANYWAY, ARE GOING TO BE GOING OUT INTO STATES AND ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE GOING TO HAVE THAT QUALITY OF LIFE. PEOPLE. THERE ARE MANY ENGINEERS IN THE MADISON, FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT WE JUST APPROVED, WHAT JUST CAME OUT OF THE GROUND THAT IS DEDICATED TO WORKING PROFESSIONALS THAT THAT RIGHT THERE, SO IS THE HIGHEST. SO WAS THE HIGH LINE WHEN IT CAME OUT OF THE GROUND. AND SO BECAUSE THERE'S A PRETTY CONSTANT TURNOVER, TWO YEARS, THREE YEARS, AND THEN THE GRUMMAN ENGINEER GOES TO BOEING AND THEN HE GOES OR SHE GOES SOMEPLACE ELSE OR SOMEPLACE ELSE, BECAUSE THAT'S THE NATURE OF THE JOBS, THE JUMPING FROM PROJECT TO PROJECT. SO THAT'S THE FEAR THAT I HAVE. AND HE BROUGHT IT OUT AND I AND I'LL ASK MISS LAMB TO SHARE IT WITH THE REST OF YOU IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO. OKAY. THAT THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT READ AND YOU SHOULD REALLY TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND JUST HEAR WHAT THIS ONE GUY HAS TO SAY. COUNTY COMMISSIONER IN PINELLAS COUNTY. HE'S SPOT ON. ABSOLUTELY SPOT ON. SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT JENNY SENT THAT EMAIL, DID THAT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO PUT IT OUT TO EVERYBODY BECAUSE I DON'T I DON'T KNOW IF I'M GOING TO BE STEPPING OVER MY BOUNDARIES AT THAT POINT, YOU KNOW? OKAY, SO I'M BACK. THANK YOU. SO, JENNY, DO YOU HAVE. OH, OKAY. I'LL PUT IT UP TO US. I'LL EMAIL IT. I JUST HAVE ONE COPY. SO I WILL EMAIL IT. OKAY.

AND SO THIS IS GENERALLY PIGGYBACK OFF OF YOUR, YOUR TALK ABOUT THE QUALITY OF LIFE SERVICES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. AND I WAS ACTUALLY LITERALLY INSPIRED BY THIS. I BELIEVE THIS WAS ACTUALLY FROM LAST MEETING. WAS THIS COOL SAVE OUR PARK PICTURE? I THINK WE ALL GOT SOME OF THESE THERE ACTUALLY, IT WAS REALLY CUTE. BUT I LITERALLY LOOKED AT IT AND I THOUGHT ABOUT THIS AS I WALKED INTO CITY HALL YESTERDAY AND BORROWED THE COUNCIL OFFICE FOR A COUPLE HOURS. BUT. SO THERE'S WHERE WHEN I LOOK AT LIKE WAYS TO SOLVE THESE THINGS, I ACTUALLY THOUGHT ABOUT THE PARKS FIRST BECAUSE USUALLY THAT'S THE FIRST THING TO GO.

THEY'RE THE ONES WHO ARE PROBABLY THE MOST IN JEOPARDY WHEN WE HAVE TO REALLY TAKE A LOOK AT, BECAUSE WE'RE ALL GOING TO SAY NO UP HERE, AND THEN IT'S GOING TO GET TO BRASS TACKS. IF YOU LOOK DOWN, I LIKE TO USE WHAT NEIGHBORING CITIES AND NEIGHBORING OTHER FOLKS DO AS EXAMPLES. AND AN EXTREME EXAMPLE THAT'S HAPPENED LONG BEFORE THIS, I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW THEY DID IT. BY THE WAY, INDIAN RIVER COUNTY GAVE THEIR BUS SYSTEM TO A NONPROFIT, SO THEY'RE FUN FACT, IT'S AWARD WINNING BUS SYSTEM AND IT'S RUN THROUGH A NONPROFIT. NOW, I'M

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NOT SAYING THAT WE'RE GOING TO GIVE ENGINEERING OVER TO NONPROFIT OR CYNDI'S OFFICE TO A NONPROFIT, BUT I THINK THAT WE CAN OFFLOAD SOME OF OUR PARKS AND SOME OF OUR MAINTENANCE THINGS TO A NONPROFIT IN THE SAME STYLE. AND I'VE HAD NONPROFIT FOLKS TALK TO ME ABOUT THIS. BY THE WAY, THIS ISN'T JUST RANDOM STEM CELLS. WHAT WE DO AT THE AIRPORT, WE HAVE LIKE A COUPLE DESIGNEES FROM THE CITY, A COUPLE COMMUNITY MEMBERS, AND THEN YOU MOVE THESE PARKS OVER TO THIS NONPROFIT AND THE NONPROFIT LIKE, AND WHEN I'M TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE PARKS, THERE'S A PARK NEXT TO MY HOUSE THAT'S THE SIZE OF THIS ROOM.

LIKE I DON'T, I THINK THAT THAT ONE SAVES US COST AND MAINTENANCE AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, BUT IT WOULD GO INTO A SOMEWHAT PUBLIC, PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP PARK THAT'S NONPROFIT CONTINUES THE USE SO THAT WHEN THINGS HAPPEN, WE DON'T LOSE THAT VITAL RESOURCE FOR OUR RESIDENTS. AND WE STILL HAVE SOMEWHAT OF A SAY OR CONTROL OF THAT. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS A OPTION OR I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE'RE TURNING OVER THE EAU GALLIE CIVIC CENTER TO A NONPROFIT. I'M SAYING I'M SURE THERE'S SOME PARKS AND THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT WE COULD SLOWLY PHASE IN THAT WOULD BE LIKE, HEY, WE DON'T WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THE MAINTENANCE ON THIS, BUT WE'LL ENTER AN AGREEMENT TO HELP MOVE THESE OVER TO THAT, TO A MORE CHARITABLE CAUSE THAT WE'RE ALSO WORKING WITH. AND IT WORKS WITH THE AIRPORT. I MEAN, WE DO IT WITH, WITH, WITH THAT ALL THE TIME. AND THEY'RE FUNDED BY LEASES. YOU KNOW, THEY JUST WOULD BE FUNDED BY DONATIONS INSTEAD TO DO KIND OF CITY WORK.

WELL, AND I, AND I UNDERSTAND WE JUST, OF COURSE GAVE THE PROPERTY ON US ONE TO, YOU KNOW, THE VETERANS ORGANIZATION. MY ONLY CONCERN IS, YOU KNOW, WILL THAT MAINTENANCE GET DONE IF YOU'RE GIVEN, YOU KNOW, AND IF WE'RE IF WE'RE ON THE GOVERNING BOARD, THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING THAT WE HAVE COUNCIL MEMBERS OR STAFF WORK ON THE GOVERNING BOARD OF IT AND WORK WITH IT. LIKE, THAT'S WHAT I'M NOT SAYING, BECAUSE IN THAT WE GAVE IT, WE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT PROPERTY OTHER THAN IT COMES BACK TO US IF THEY'RE NOT DOING THEIR WHAT THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO DO WITH MORE INFORMATION ON THAT BEFORE. THIS IS AN IDEA. NO, THIS IS AN IDEA THAT WE CAN WORK TOGETHER ON. LIKE I SAID, I'VE JUST TALKED THE NONPROFIT COMMUNITY ON IT BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE. I UNDERSTAND, BUT SOMETIMES IT SOUNDS GREAT. I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY COULD DO WITH A BUS SYSTEM THAT THEY HAVE A NONPROFIT RUNNING A BUS SYSTEM. WHAT KIND OF BUS SYSTEM? OH, PARENTS AWARD WINNING. IT'S LITERALLY THE PUBLIC BUS TRANSPORTATION.

IF YOU GO DOWN TO RIVER COUNTY AND LOOK AT SENIOR RESOURCE ASSOCIATION, YOU'LL FIND THAT THEY. THAT'S A DIFFERENT SORT. SENIOR RESOURCE IS A DIFFERENT YEAR. IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE PUBLIC. OH, NO, NO, NO, NO, IT'S THE PUBLIC BUS. THEY JUST HAPPEN TO DO MEALS ON WHEELS BUS. BUT IT'S NOT I, I, IT'S NOT LIKE YOUR SPACE COAST. IT IS. NO IT IS. THAT IS THEIR BUS SYSTEM. I PROMISE YOU THAT IS THEIR BUS SYSTEM. OKAY, WELL, I'LL LOOK INTO IT. MAYBE WE CAN ALL LOOK INTO IT, BUT I'D LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD. WE GOT A LOT, A LOT TO COVER HERE. BUT THOSE ARE THOSE ARE IDEAS STAFF CAN LOOK INTO. YEAH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SIR. MR. CONNELLY, YOU I WAS UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT TOPIC. I DON'T WANT TO I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR BELABOR THE POINT ANY FURTHER. CAN WE CAN WE GO BACK TO LOOKING AT HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST US TO DO THIS, JENNY, TO DO THIS OR ROSS TO DO THE TWO STUDIES, FIGURE OUT WHAT IT COST, AND CAN YOU BRING IT BACK TO US AT OUR NEXT MEETING IN A MONTH? WE WILL TRY OUR HARDEST TO GET THAT ESTIMATE BY THEN, AND WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO IT BECAUSE THE MEETING IS NOT TILL JULY IN A MONTH. BUT AS SOON AS WE CAN GET THOSE COSTS TO YOU, WE WILL.

WELL, AND I WOULD THANK MISS HANLEY. YOU KNOW, WE'RE IF WE'RE SUPPLEMENTING THAT KIND OF YOU KNOW, THESE THESE PROGRAMS, WE I THINK COUNCIL WANTS TO GET AWAY FROM THAT. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO GET DONE. YEAH. I MEAN, LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S A 2 OR 3 PRONGED SITUATION. BUT LET'S NOT WAIT. IF WE CAN DO THESE OTHER COST EFFECTIVE I HATE I HATE TO SPEND THE MONEY. DO NOT DO NOT RIGHT. YOU KNOW, AND THEN IF, IF IT DOESN'T PASS AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO DO IT. BUT I SAY DO IT. I MEAN, BUT GETTING RID OF NOT MOWING THEM OR GIVE IT BACK TO THE DOT YOU KNOW, THERE WERE SOME OTHER THINGS THAT YOU HAD THAT WE, WE COULD SAY RIGHT NOW, JUST SAY GIVE IT BACK. AND WHO WAS THAT? YOU HAD MISS LAMB FOR THIS ITEM? NO, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THE STORMWATER UTILITY ONE, WE WERE ALREADY LINING UP TO DO THAT ONE FOR TO LOOK AT THE RATES, BECAUSE WE RECOGNIZE THAT IT HAD BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE'D DONE THEM.

THEY WEREN'T THE ORIGINAL RATE. SO I DON'T THINK YOU WERE IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. MAYBE YOU WERE IN HIGH SCHOOL, BUT BUT YES, THEY WERE UPGRADED AT ONE POINT, BUT IT WOULD THAT'S SOMETHING WE WERE ALREADY STARTING ON. SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN GET GET PRICING ON FROM OUR CONSULTANT ON THAT. OKAY, SO GO AHEAD, SIR, BEFORE BEFORE WE CLOSE THIS OUT.

SO THIS IS THIS IS THESE ARE TOUGH TIMES, RIGHT? I MEAN, I KNOW THIS IS NOT ANYTHING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING IN THE IMMEDIATE, BUT HERE'S THE POINT THAT I WANT TO MAKE AND KIND OF ALIGN WITH SOME OF THE OTHER COMMENTS I'VE ALREADY HEARD HERE EARLIER IS THAT, YOU KNOW, CUTS ARE PAINFUL, BUT IT'S EASY TO MAKE A CUT. YOU MAY GET THAT IMMEDIATE RETURN.

BUT I THINK WE ALSO NEED TO SORT OF CONSIDER WAYS THAT WE CAN BOOST REVENUE AND SORT OF

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THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX. AND I BROUGHT UP A COUPLE OF THESE TOPICS BEFORE, BUT, YOU KNOW, BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT THAT ACTUALLY GOING TO BRING MORE BUSINESS RECEIPTS. I MEAN, I THINK WE ALSO NEED, IN ADDITION TO JUST CUTS, I THINK WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT REVOLUTIONARY WAYS OR, I WOULD SAY CONSERVATIVE WAYS THAT WE COULD ALSO INCREASE REVENUE THAT COMES INTO THE CITY. SO THAT WAY IT WON'T JUST BE WE'RE CUTTING, WE'RE CUTTING, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE SOME OTHER WAYS MAYBE TOURISM AND HERITAGE INITIATIVES? I WAS LOOKING AT THE MINUTES FROM A PREVIOUS MEETING. WE TALKED ABOUT THE HERALD PROPERTIES REGISTRY.

RIGHT. AND I THINK THAT WAS SOMETHING YOU BROUGHT UP BACK IN IN 2024. RIGHT. AND THAT PARTICULAR INITIATIVE THAT BROUGHT IN INCREASED REVENUES INTO THE CITIES THAT HAVE THAT ARE ACTUALLY WORKING WITH THAT. I MEAN, SO IN ADDITION TO JUST, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT, I MEAN, YES, OUR MELBOURNE AUDITORIUM, YES, THIS ALL NEEDS TO BE CUT. WE'RE DOING A PHASE TWO STUDY. SEE, IT'S HARD TO DO THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BE LONG RANGE AND BRING IN REVENUE. BUT BUT WE ALSO NEED TO MAKE TOUGH DECISIONS OF WAYS THAT WE CAN INCREASE THE REVENUE. I HAD A CONVERSATION EARLIER WITH WITH JENNY ABOUT THE. MEL BOONE HAS BEEN FOR YEARS IN A ROW SINCE SHE'S USING THAT BRANDING. SO THERE HAVE BEEN INCREASED SPONSORSHIP AND INCREASED THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED. SO EVEN THOUGH THOSE TAKE A LOT LONGER, BUT WE HAVE TO ALSO PLANT THOSE SEEDS THAT ARE GOING TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE, THAT ARE GOING TO BE WAYS THAT WE CAN BRING IN INCREASED REVENUE OVER THE YEARS. BECAUSE, YEAH, TOUGH TIMES REQUIRE TOUGH DECISIONS, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS ON WAYS THAT WE COULD CONTINUE TO IMPROVE AND BRING IN MORE REVENUE. SO THE HERALD PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, I WELL, THAT'S MY THAT'S MY PERSPECTIVE. I KNOW. RIGHT. AND I MEAN, YOU'RE A BUSINESS GUY. YOU KNOW, WE'RE, YOU'VE GOT BUSINESS PEOPLE, SO YOU CAN'T JUST SAY YOU CUT. YOU ALSO HAVE TO SAY WAYS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO INCREASE YOUR REVENUE. BUT THERE'S NO OFFSET WITH THE STAFF ON THAT. THERE'S NO THERE'S NO SAVINGS. WELL, PUT THE STAFF IN. BUT I WOULD PUT IT THIS WAY, I THINK, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL COUNT, IT'S A GREAT TO HAVE AN IDEA. WE'LL BRING THAT IDEA. IN OTHER WORDS, I WHAT I DO NOT WANT IS WE PAY STAFF FINE DESTRUCTION. WE'RE THE WE'RE THE BRAINS UP HERE. APPARENTLY WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE. BUT I'M JUST SAYING. SO IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, STAFF GIVES US ALL THE DIRECTION ON STUFF TO DO. YOU KNOW, IT'S EASY TO SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, LET'S FIND OTHER WAYS. WELL, I WOULD TELL ANYBODY. AND AGAIN, I GO BACK TO THE DOG PARK. I WAS TOLD BY NUMEROUS COUNCIL MEMBERS, WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY. SO I WENT OUT AND RAISED UP MY DAMN SELF. AND WE BUILT THREE WITH THE, WITH OUR STAFF AND, AND, AND A LOT, ALL OUR ALL OUR HELP THAT WE HAD, WE HAD PROBABLY NEARLY 800 VOLUNTEERS. YOU KNOW, IT TOOK A LOT. AND WE BUILT THREE DOG PARKS. I MEAN, SO IT IS UP TO US COUNCIL TO COME UP WITH THESE IDEAS. IT IS NOT OUR JOB TO TELL STAFF, HEY, GO FIND THIS AND BRING IT BACK SO I CAN TAKE, YOU KNOW, AND I'M NOT SAYING WHAT YOU'RE DOING, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS IT'S UP TO US. IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN A BUSINESS. IT'S YOUR JOB TO FIGURE OUT HOW YOU'RE GOING TO DO THIS AND BRING IT BACK TO STAFF. AND, AND I, AND THEN I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU. YEAH, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU. AND I CAN ACCEPT THAT. SO I, I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT THE NOT HERE TODAY, BUT TO GET SOME MORE RESEARCH AND DUE DILIGENCE DONE ON THE HERALD PROPERTY INITIATIVE, BRING IT UP AND OTHER CITIES. I ABSOLUTELY WILL BRING WHAT IT WOULD IF SEE IF IT YOU KNOW IT, WHAT IT WOULD BRING IN, AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE. OKAY. SO AND JUST ON A TIMELINE ON THAT THOUGH, WHAT TIME FRAME DO WE NEED TO BRING WHATEVER THAT IS OR THE PARKS THING? BECAUSE THERE'S A, THERE'S A, THERE'S A, THERE'S A TIME FRAME HERE. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT. DOES THE STAFF HAVE AN IDEA OF WHEN YOU WOULD NEED LIKE, IS THIS LIKE A NEXT MEETING THING? LIKE WHEN DO YOU NEED TO HAVE THIS INFORMATION TO, TO HELP US HAVE CONTINGENCY PLANS? SO I MEAN, WELL, I WAS GOING TO SAY SOME OF THE ITEMS, LIKE THE ONES WE NEED TO DO STUDIES FOR.

OBVIOUSLY, THE SOONER THE BETTER. SOME OF THESE ITEMS CAN WAIT UNTIL NOVEMBER. BUT AS YOU HAVE IDEAS, I, I WOULD SAY LET'S BRING THEM UP AS YOU HAVE THEM. THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE'LL HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS, BUT THAT AT LEAST GETS US ON THE. OKAY. ARE THERE THINGS THAT THAT WE NEED TO BE LOOKING INTO MORE IMMEDIATELY OR NOT? SOME OF THESE ITEMS COULD BE ITEMS THAT WE COULD TRANSITION INTO OUR NEXT BUDGET, YOU KNOW, INTO THE FY 2011 BUDGET DISCUSSION ON DO WE NEED TO IMPLEMENT THESE IMMEDIATELY? I'M NOT TRYING TO SWITCH TO ITEM NUMBER 18. I JUST AM SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, AS AS YOU HAVE IDEAS, PLEASE BRING THEM UP. I GOT A QUICK QUESTION FOR ADAM. AND JUST TO PICK IN YOUR BRAIN, PICKING YOUR BRAIN, YOU SAW WHAT WE WENT THROUGH THE LAST COUPLE OF MEETINGS WITH, YOU KNOW, THE FIRE STATION AND, AND POSSIBLY PUTTING IT IN A, IN THE PART OF THE PARK AND WHAT, HOW PEOPLE FELT ABOUT OUR PARKS. I ALMOST WONDER IF THERE'S SOME WAY OUR CITY COULD ASK OUR ELECTORS OR OUR PEOPLE. HERE'S A LIST. WHAT DO YOU NOT WANT THIS CITY? WELL, DO YOU NOT WANT THE MELBOURNE CIVIC AUDITORIUM? YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOOD THINGS THAT WE CAN CUT? BECAUSE I, I ALMOST THINK IF OUR CITIZENS REALLY KNEW WHAT IS ON THE CHOPPING BLOCK, YOU KNOW, AS PER SE, THE EAU GALLIE, YOU KNOW, AUDITORIUM,

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THAT'S A GREAT POINT. I THINK IF THEY REALLY UNDERSTOOD AND THEY LISTENED, THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT BECAUSE YOU HAVE ONE SIDE YELLING, NO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, ALL THIS MONEY IS BEING WASTED. LOOK, OUR BUDGETS ONLINE, THE FACT IS, IS I'LL DEBATE ANYBODY. THE FACT THAT OUR BUDGETS ONLINE, I WILL MEET WITH THEM AND ROSS AND US, WE WILL MEET WITH THEM.

YOU AND YOU TELL US WHERE WHERE WE'RE GOING TO FOUL HERE. THEY WON'T DO THAT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT.

BUT I THINK IF OUR STAFF LOOKED AT THAT AND SAID, LISTEN, DO WE WANT TO CLOSE MELBOURNE AUDITORIUM? I DO KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF GUN SHOWS THERE. I KNOW WE DO HAVE A LOT OF EVENTS.

WHERE ARE WE GOING TO PUT OUR ORCHESTRA AND OUR AND OUR BAND? WHAT ABOUT OUR CITY OPERATED POOLS? PEOPLE FIGHT OVER USING OUR POOLS. I MEAN, I KNOW OF OF ALL THESE, YOU KNOW, THESE LEAGUES AND STUFF THAT ONE OF YOU, I GET CALLS ON THAT. SO I THINK YOU KIND OF LOOKING AT SOME OF THIS STUFF AND ASKING THE COMMUNITY, I DON'T THINK THEY'D REALLY BE GOOD ON GETTING RID OF ANY OF THAT. IF YOU THINK ABOUT THAT, THEY JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND. DON'T UNDERSTAND. NO, BUT BUT BUT BUT WHAT MY QUESTION WAS WITH YOU, IF YOU CAN, THEN WE GET OFFLINE LATER AND TALK ABOUT THAT. I WANT TO BE ABLE TO CONVEY THAT WITHOUT GOING AFOUL. IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CITY'S BUDGET AND, AND TOUGH DECISIONS THAT YOU'VE GOT TO MAKE WITH THE CITY'S BUDGET, I DON'T SEE ANY LIMITATION THERE. RIGHT? WE'RE WHEN WHEN I'M TALKING ABOUT THE UNDERLYING LIMITATIONS, I'M BEING VERY SPECIFIC WHEN YOU'RE SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT THAT PENDING BALLOT ITEM. RIGHT. OKAY. AND SO, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S ONE, IT'S ONE DISCUSSION TO SAY, AND REALLY THERE'S, THERE'S A CERTAIN POINT WHERE THEY START TO DOVETAIL, RIGHT? OKAY. AND YOU CAN SAY, HERE'S, HERE'S THE PROPOSED BALLOT QUESTION, RIGHT? OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR HAS SAID WE'RE LOOKING AT NEARLY $10 MILLION, YOU KNOW, DECREASE IN PROPERTY TAX REVENUE STARTING IN FY 28 FOR, YOU KNOW, THAT WE THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS. RIGHT.

AND SO IF IT'S COMMUNITY AND, AND, AND RESIDENT ENGAGEMENT ON HERE'S SOME DIFFICULT CHOICES THAT WE'VE GOT TO MAKE. WE'RE LOOKING FOR YOUR INPUT. THERE'S, THERE'S NO I DON'T SEE ANY LIMITATION. I DON'T HAVE ANY LIMITATION. I DON'T SEE ANY LIMITATIONS ON THAT PORTION OF THE DISCUSSION. BECAUSE AGAIN, I THINK THE WAY THE STATE LAW IS WRITTEN, AND IN MY PERSONAL OPINION, IT'S STATE VERSUS LOCAL GOVERNMENT, WHICH IT SHOULDN'T BE THAT WAY. I MEAN, WE'RE IT SHOULD BE PARTNERS IN ALL THIS. BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS DON'T RUN AFOUL BECAUSE AGAIN, ONCE WE START DOING THIS AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO DOUBT IN MY MIND THAT SOME STATE PEOPLE MIGHT SAY, WELL, THEY'RE CHALLENGING US. AND THIS WHOLE IDEA, AND I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO GO THERE. THE FACT IS, I WOULD LOVE TO LOOK, WE ALL WOULD LOVE NOT TO PAY PROPERTY TAXES. I THINK WE WOULD ALL BENEFIT FROM THAT.

BUT BUT THE REALITY IS THAT'S WHAT FUN THIS THIS STUFF HERE. YEAH. I MEAN, TAKE THIS SLIDE AND PUT IT ON A PLAY CARD. RIGHT. BUT EACH ONE OF US TO CARRY. AND THAT'S THE THING, RIGHT. IT IT IT'S CASE BY CASE. RIGHT. AND AND SO YOU KNOW, BUT, BUT IF WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT HERE'S, YOU KNOW, THIS THING EXISTS, WHAT ARE WE, HOW ARE WE GOING TO RESPOND FROM, FROM OUR BUDGETARY STANDPOINT? THAT'S, THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT YOU ADVOCATING ON, ON THE BALLOT MEASURE, RIGHT? THAT'S YOU ENGAGING WITH YOUR CONSTITUENTS ON THE CITY OF MELBOURNE'S BUDGET. VERY WELL. THANK YOU, SIR. OF COURSE. APPRECIATE YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MAYBE WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. I THINK WE HAVE A GOOD GIST OF WHAT WE HAVE TO DO. OKAY. WE'RE GOING

[18. Discussion of City of Melbourne Fiscal Year 2026-2027 budget.]

TO MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 18. ROSS IS ON THIS AS WELL. CAN'T GET RID OF ME YET. SO WE'VE OBVIOUSLY BEEN TALKING A LOT ABOUT THE LEGISLATIVE UPDATE, HOW IT'S GOING TO IMPACT US IN OUT YEARS, EVEN THE EARLIEST THAT IT WILL IMPACT US WILL BE IN FISCAL YEAR OF 2028. IN THE EVENT THE BALLOT MEASURE PASSES. AND AGAIN, THOSE ADDITIONAL ITEMS ARE YET TO YET TO BE SEEN BASED OFF THE IMPLEMENTING LEGISLATION. SO OBVIOUSLY, 2027, IT'S IT'S KIND OF CHALLENGING BECAUSE WE'RE IN A WAIT AND SEE KIND OF MODE, RIGHT? YOU DON'T KNOW HOW NOVEMBER WILL GO. YOU DON'T KNOW NECESSARILY YET. WHAT OF THOSE ITEMS THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO SAY? ABSOLUTELY, STAFF, GO DO X, Y, Z AND WE'LL, WE'LL FILL THOSE 10 IN 4 OR $5 MILLION HOLES IN THOSE OUT YEARS. BUT WHAT I'M STRESSING TO YOU FOR THE 2027 BUDGET IS RESTRAINT, MAINLY BECAUSE WHEN WE ADD TO THIS BUDGET TO TRY AND BALANCE IT, THE BEST WAY WE CAN BALANCE IT IS THROUGH ADDITIONAL PROPERTY TAXES. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO WIND UP USING ADDITIONAL PROPERTY TAXES TO BALANCE THIS BUDGET, YOU WIND UP IN A SITUATION WHERE YOU'VE ADDED THAT MUCH MORE TO BE CUT IN THE FOLLOWING YEARS, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. SO INSTEAD OF 10 MILLION, IF I ADD $2 MILLION ABOVE WHAT ROLLBACK IS THIS YEAR? I'M LOOKING AT 12 MILLION NEXT YEAR. SO IT'S THERE'S THINGS THAT YOU'RE YOU DON'T WANT TO NECESSARILY EXACERBATE THE PROBLEM BY ADDING COSTS AT AN UNCERTAIN TIME, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. SO VERY DIFFICULT TO READ AND PLEASE, I CAN HELP ANYBODY OUT IF THEY NEED. THIS IS AN EARLY LOOK AT WHAT YOUR 27 BUDGET IS SHAPING UP, WITH NO RESPECT GIVEN TO THE PROPERTY TAX. THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT. THIS IS AS IF WE WERE APPROACHING IT ON A NORMAL YEAR. YOUR REVENUES THAT WE SAW ON THE LEFT SIDE, THE ELECTRIC REVENUES, I TOOK THAT POSITIVE VARIANCE THAT WE'RE LIKELY TO SEE. I ADDED THE 2.5%

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ADDITIONAL ELECTRIC FEES THAT FPNL WILL CHARGE IN THE FOLLOWING YEAR TO ARRIVE AT THAT FIGURE. PROPERTY TAXES. WE DID RECEIVE THE PROPERTY TAX INFORMATION FROM THE PROPERTY APPRAISER ABOUT A WEEK, WEEK AND A HALF AGO, IT CAME IN RATHER DISMALLY. YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU CONSIDER THINGS LIKE NEW DEVELOPMENT, AND I THINK WE TOUCHED ON THIS A LITTLE BIT EARLIER, MR. LARUSSO. WE HAD APPROXIMATELY $57 MILLION IN NEW NEW TAXABLE GROWTH. IT MIGHT BE 67. FORGIVE ME. I'M TRANSPOSING THE NUMBER IN MY HEAD, BUT BUT A DECREASE OF ABOUT 33% FROM THE PRIOR YEAR. AT THE SAME TIME, YOU COULD MULTIPLY THAT FIGURE BY 10 TO 20 TIMES. AND THAT'S WHAT PALM BAY DID IN NEW DEVELOPMENT. SO AGAIN, WE ARE NOT IN ANYTHING OTHER THAN A MATURE, PRIMARILY BUILT OUT CITY. WE'RE NOT AS FLEXIBLE, WE'RE NOT AS FAST.

THAT'S JUST BY BY VIRTUE OF, OF AGE AND WHAT'S BEEN DEVELOPED, NOT NOT MUCH WE CAN CONTROL FROM THIS POINT. AND I WAS RESPONDING TO YOUR EMAIL THAT YOU SENT TO ALL OF US ABOUT THE 18 MILLION AND THE 10 MILLION, AND THEN COMPOUNDED DAILY OVER TIME. YES. SO OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS LOOKING AT IT FROM A RECURRING COST STANDPOINT, SIMILAR TO WHAT I'VE BEEN DOING FOR FOR THAT ARGUMENT, WATER AND SEWER RATE OF RETURN. WE TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE. THERE'S AN INCREASE IN WATER RATES PRETTY MUCH IN SET IN STONE UNTIL 2030. YOU'LL RECEIVE SOME LEVEL OF ADDITIONAL FRANCHISE FEE RATE OF RETURN THAT THAT THE GENERAL FUND BENEFITS FROM FIRE PROTECTION AS THE FIRE COSTS GO UP, THE AIRPORT PAYS ITS COMMISERATE SHARE FOR ARF.

SO THIS IS BASED OFF OF THE BUDGET THAT WAS SUBMITTED FROM CHIEF LEACH OVER TO THE AIRPORT FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION. GAS AND SOLID WASTE FRANCHISE FEES. THOSE GENERALLY GO UP INCREMENTALLY SOMEWHERE WITH A CPI OF ABOUT THREE OR THE LOWER OF. SO IT'S A PRETTY MUTED INCREASE. THOSE BOTTOM FOUR REVENUES THERE. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE FIRST THREE MAINLY AGAIN, THERE'S STILL JUST PRESSURES DOWNWARD ON IT FROM A POPULATION FORMULA STANDPOINT, WHEN YOU CONSIDER WHETHER OR NOT COMMUNICATION SERVICE TAX COULD REBOUND, IT'S HARD TO SAY.

IF ECONOMIC CONDITIONS CONTINUE TO WORSEN. THESE NUMBERS COULD GET WORSE IF THEY IF IT IF IT SOMEHOW REBOUNDS. YOU KNOW, WE'RE BASICALLY LOOKING AT SOME STILL SOME SOME LEVEL OF LOSS BASED OFF JUST THE POPULATION ALONE. THE OTHER LINE ON THERE IS YOUR SAFER GRANT. WE'RE ENTERING OUR LAST YEAR OF SAFER GRANT. IT'S THE FEMA GRANT THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED FOR THE 12 FIREFIGHTERS THAT WE HIRED MOST RECENTLY TO STAFF THE HEAVY TO, TO HIRE UP AND BE ABLE TO FUND THAT APPARATUS, THAT WE'RE GOING TO LOSE ABOUT HALF A MILLION FROM OUR CURRENT LEVELS OF REIMBURSEMENT FROM THEM GOING INTO OUR LAST YEAR. NOW, THAT OBVIOUSLY ONLY GETS US ABOUT JUST SHY OF $2 MILLION IN NET INCREASE IN OUR REVENUES. AGAIN, THE ONES THAT ARE REPRESENTED THERE ARE PRETTY MUCH YOUR 80%. THE ONES THAT WILL MOVE IN SOME CONSIDERABLE MANNER MAKE THOSE NUMBERS KIND OF MOVE SIGNIFICANTLY. OUTSIDE OF THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE SMALLER FIGURES AND HOPE TO TO NICKEL AND DIME HERE AND THERE, BUT THIS IS WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO REALLY MAKE YOUR HAY. LOOKING ON THE EXPENDITURE SIDE, OBVIOUSLY, THE LARGEST DRIVER OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS HAS BEEN EMPLOYEE COMPENSATION, PRIMARILY IN THE PUBLIC SAFETY SECTOR. YOU KNOW, WE'RE ENTERING THE LAST YEAR OF OUR IAFF RANK AND FILE CONTRACT. THAT'S YEAR THREE. THAT ALONE WILL COST MORE THAN WHAT THE NET INCREASE IN REVENUES THAT WE'RE SEEING ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THAT EQUATION. PART OF THAT WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE WILL BE PARTIALLY DUE TO THE OVERTIME OVERRUN, AS THOSE AS THAT NEW APPARATUS WENT INTO SERVICE WITHIN THIS LAST FISCAL YEAR. WHEN YOU MOVE ON TO THE PENSION REOPENER, THERE WAS A CLAUSE IN THE IN THE RANK AND FILE PENSION PENSION ARTICLE TO REOPEN THE REQUEST THAT WERE THERE. THAT'S AN ESTIMATED AMOUNT. OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE STILL IN NEGOTIATIONS. I'M NOT I'M NOT GOING TO BETRAY THAT PROCESS. BUT THESE ARE JUST FOR BUDGETARY DISCUSSIONS ONLY. SAME WITH YOUR PBA CONTRACT. THAT CONTRACT'S UP THIS YEAR.

SO WE HAVE TO GO INTO NEGOTIATIONS. WE'RE CURRENTLY IN NEGOTIATIONS. OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S STILL CONSIDERABLE PRESSURE FROM STARTING WAGES WITH OTHER AGENCIES IN THE AREA AND THE LIKE THAT WE HAVE TO CONTEND WITH. AND IT'S, AGAIN, JUST ADDING TO THAT LIST ON THE RIGHT THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ON THE LEFT TO BALANCE. THERE'S ALSO A NEW BARGAINING UNIT FOR YOUR BATTALION CHIEFS, THE SIX INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE BATTALION CHIEFS. THAT WAS AN ESTIMATED AMOUNT BASED OFF OF PRIOR NEGOTIATIONS. AND AGAIN, THESE ARE ALL STILL FLUID. AND WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THE PROCESS TO NEGOTIATE. THE LAST THING ON THAT ONE, ON THE EMPLOYEE COMPENSATION SIDE IS YOUR NONUNION. THIS IS EVERYONE NOT CURRENTLY UNDER THOSE THOSE EARLIER BARGAINING UNITS. THAT REPRESENTS 375 EMPLOYEES. THAT WOULD BE ABOUT 843,000 IF THEY WERE TO GET A 3% COLA, WHICH AT TODAY'S INFLATION IS REALLY A PAY CUT, UNFORTUNATELY. BUT WHEN YOU MOVE ON TOWARDS SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS OPERATIONALLY THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, THE BIG ONE THAT'S BEEN REQUESTED FROM THE DEPARTMENTS IS THE AXON CONTRACT RENEWAL. OBVIOUSLY, WE WENT TO BODY WORN CAMERAS BACK IN THE DAY. WE'VE, YOU KNOW, ALSO MOVED ON TO EXXON WITH OUR IN-CAR CAMERAS AND SOME ADDITIONAL INTERVIEW ROOM CAMERAS. I BELIEVE THE TASERS ARE ALSO UNDER THE CONTRACT IN GETTING A RENEWAL QUOTE FROM FROM THEM. IT WAS GOING TO BE INCREASING ROUGHLY $700,000. AS YOU CAN SEE THERE. IT'S QUITE A SIGNIFICANT LEAP. AND THAT'S AN ANNUAL COST OVER A FIVE YEAR CONTRACT. AND THAT'S ALMOST

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$700,000 INCREASE OVER WHERE WE ARE TODAY. CORRECT. SO THAT ALONE IS ALMOST AS MUCH AS WHAT A 3% RAISE FOR YOUR EMPLOYEES WOULD BE THAT ARE NOT IN A BARGAINING UNIT. IF YOU WERE TO MOVE ON TO THINGS LIKE RISK MANAGEMENT, AS WE DID AN ASSET SURVEY, WE'VE WE'VE BEEN MORE APPROPRIATELY REPORTING AND RECORDING OUR RISK MANAGEMENT COSTS TO ENSURE OUR ASSETS.

THAT'S GOING TO COME TO ABOUT A $671,000 HIT TO THE GENERAL FUND. AS OUR PROPERTY TAXES INCREASE, WE HAVE TO INCREASE OUR TAX INCREMENT FUNDING AMOUNTS THAT GO TO THE CRA'S, THE THE EAU GALLIE AND THE DOWNTOWN CRAS. SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT'S BAKED IN. WE CAN WE'RE WORKING CURRENTLY TO DECREASE OUR GOLF COURSE SUBSIDY TO TRY AND LOWER AND MAKE THOSE COSTS THE COURSES MORE SELF-SUFFICIENT FINANCIALLY. THAT REPRESENTS RIGHT THERE. 159 IF YOU WERE TO MOVE YOUR MERCHANT FEES SO THAT THE CUSTOMERS AT THE COURSES WERE TO PAY FOR THE MERCHANT FEES, LIKE MOST PLACES YOU CURRENTLY HAVE TO DO, YOU KNOW OTHER PLACES IN THE CITY YOU HAVE TO PAY AS THE CUSTOMER FOR THE 3% FEE TO DO THE CONVENIENCE CHARGE. AND FORGIVE ME, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S EXACTLY THREE, BUT IT'S NOT.

IT'S ONE OF THE FEW AREAS IN THE CITIES WE ACTUALLY ABSORB THAT COST. SO WE FELT IT WAS ONLY FAIR TO KIND OF PUSH THAT BACK OUT TO THE END USERS OF THOSE COURSES. WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT DOING THE SAFER GRANT, WE WERE PUTTING A COMMENSURATE AMOUNT ASIDE IN THE CIP TO FUND ADDITIONAL FIRE TRUCKS. AS THAT SAFER GRANT DECREASES, WE'VE DECREASED THAT SAME TRANSFER TO CIP AND THAT 1.22 MILLION THERE AT THE BOTTOM. THAT REPRESENTS HEALTH INSURANCE SAVINGS FROM THE CONTRACT. AND ASSUMING THAT WE'LL BE AT THAT 10% RENEWAL RATE CAP. SO ALL THINGS SAID AND DONE, EVEN AS IT SITS RIGHT THERE, THAT'S $5.1 MILLION AN INCREASE ON THE EXPENDITURE SIDE, WHICH LEAVES US WITH LOOKING FOR 3.2 MILLION. WHAT'S NOT SHOWN HERE, OBVIOUSLY, IS THAT WE'RE MISSING A HANDFUL OF ADDITIONAL ITEMS WE'RE WORKING THROUGH RIGHT NOW. THINGS LIKE THE WORKER'S COMP ALLOCATION, WHICH GENERALLY WILL BE CLOSER TO A 3 OR $400,000 HIT, YOU KNOW, AND WE'VE WE'VE RECEIVED ALL THE DEPARTMENTAL BUDGETS IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY'VE REQUESTED FOR OPERATIONAL NEEDS AND CONSIDERATIONS. AXON WAS THE ONE THAT STUCK OUT TO US. BUT IT'S NOT TO SAY THERE ISN'T ANOTHER SIMILAR TYPE OF THIS IS AN OPERATIONAL NEED AND NECESSITY, AND THEY'RE GOING TO CHARGE US MORE FOR IT BECAUSE HAHA, YOU CAN'T GO TO ANYONE ELSE QUICK ENOUGH, SO WE'RE GOING TO CHARGE YOU MORE. IT'S JUST THE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THOSE UNFORTUNATE THINGS THAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU GET KIND OF IN WITH THE VENDOR AND THEY KIND OF CORNER A MARKET. SO JUST AN UNFORTUNATE REALITY OF WHERE WE'RE AT. SO AGAIN, THIS IS ALREADY A TIGHT YEAR WITHOUT ANY OF THE OTHER CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT.

AND I CANNOT STRESS ENOUGH WHAT WE ARE ADDING TO ON THE LEFT SIDE ONLY MAKES IT HARDER FOR US GOING INTO 28 AND 29. THE EARLIER CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAD. SO WHAT ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE CAN DO IN THIS AREA? AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING FOR ANY AND ALL THOUGHT PROCESSES AND REASONS TO GIVE YOU THINGS TO CHEW ON. SOME OF THE EXPENDITURE OPTIONS THAT YOU COULD REVIEW IS THAT, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THIS FISCAL YEAR, WE WERE ONE ENGINE LESS THAN WHAT WE'RE RUNNING TODAY. YOU COULD REDUCE YOUR OVERTIME COSTS BACK UNDER $500,000 IF YOU HAD THAT ONE LESS ENGINE RUNNING THAN PRIOR TO THE HEAVY RESCUE GOING INTO SERVICE, YOU COULD LOOK AT YOUR SPECIALTY TEAMS IN THE IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND CONTRACT WITH THE COUNTY FOR WHEN WE NEED THEM. THEY'RE NOT OFTEN USED, BUT THEY THEY DO COME AT A, AT A, AT A PRETTY HEFTY PRICE AND OVERTIME COSTS AND THE LIKE. AND THEN WE ALREADY TOUCHED ON IT QUITE A LOT. THE FDOT MAINTENANCE CONTRACTS, DEPENDING ON WHO AND WHICH SERVICE THAT WE'RE PROVIDING, THEY'RE OFTEN REIMBURSED AT A LOSS. AND IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO GET THE REIMBURSEMENT ANYWAY WORKING AS STAFF TO STAFF. SO AGAIN, THIS IS JUST ILLUSTRATIVE TO THE POINT OF SAYING THIS IS HOW DIFFICULT THIS WILL BE TO BALANCE. AND I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT EVERYTHING AS CREATIVELY AS POSSIBLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT OPTIONS ARE ON THE TABLE AND WHAT COUNCIL WOULD BE WILLING TO CONSIDER, EVEN WITH WHAT WE'VE JUST TALKED ABOUT, IF YOU WERE TO ZERO OUT SOME OF THE LINES THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH, SAY, THINGS LIKE THE REOPENER, IF YOU WERE TO, YOU KNOW, REDUCE YOUR OVERTIME COSTS BY THAT 500,000, REDUCE THE OVERTIME COSTS AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BY 450,000, SAY, BECAUSE THERE'S A CONTRACT COST TO USE THE COUNTY. IF YOU TRY TO OFFSET THE AXON CONTRACT.

I KNOW CHIEF HAS MENTIONED IN OUR DISCUSSIONS THAT PART OF THAT CONTRACT INCLUDES A GENETIC AI TO ASSIST WITH COMM CENTER CALLS. SO IN THEORY, WE COULD AFFORD TO LOSE SOME OF THE VACANT COMM CENTER POSITIONS AND OFFSET THAT THAT LOSS WITH THAT AGENTIC AI. BUT THAT'S NOT GOING TO OFFSET THE TOTAL COST OF WHAT THE CONTRACT INCREASES AS SHOWN THERE. IF YOU ELIMINATE THE ROWING, WE SAVE ROUGHLY 70 TO $80,000 THERE BETWEEN WHAT THEY REIMBURSE US AND WHAT WE PAY. AND THEN WE COULD JUST COMPLETELY ELIMINATE THE GOLF COURSE SUBSIDY AND MAKE THAT STAND ALONE ON ITS OWN. AND, AND EVEN IN THIS SITUATION, YOU'RE STILL LOOKING FOR ROUGHLY $400,000. AND THAT'S, THAT'S WITH ALL THE PAIN THAT I JUST DESCRIBED. SO IT'S AGAIN, ALL THE COUNCIL'S COUNCIL'S PLEASURE. YOU'RE THE ONES THAT SET THE POLICY, THE LEVELS OF SERVICE, WHAT WE CAN DO TO KIND OF ACCOMMODATE THAT. WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT AS BEST AS WE CAN. BUT THIS IS BEFORE WE EVEN HAVE THE WORKER'S COMPENSATION

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THAT I'VE MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY. YOU HAVE YOUR IT OPERATING AND CAPITAL COSTS. I THINK WE MET WITH WITH, WITH THEIR STAFF. AND THEY WERE REQUESTING ROUGHLY A 7 TO 8% INCREASE BASED OFF OF THE CONTRACT RENEWALS THEY WERE SEEING. AGAIN, FUEL AND ELECTRIC COSTS ARE A COMPLETE UNKNOWN RIGHT NOW. WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS A TEMPORARY BUMP IN THE ROAD OR IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S MORE STICKY. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE OTHER VALID DEPARTMENT OPERATIONAL REQUESTS, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT WITH AXON. SO IF THERE ARE OTHER THINGS OUT THERE THAT WE'RE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF REVIEWING, THAT STICKS OUT TO US AND SAYS, THIS IS A STRUCTURAL COMPONENT OF HOW WE DELIVER SERVICES WE CANNOT GO WITHOUT. YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL KIND OF FEELING THROUGH SOME OF THOSE ADDITIONAL REQUESTS. SO AGAIN, WE'RE I'M FEEDING A LOT OF INFORMATION TO YOU THROUGH A FIRE HOSE AT THE END OF A VERY LONG DISCUSSION ABOUT OTHER THINGS. BUT THE MAIN STORY IS THIS YEAR, GOING INTO THE UNCERTAINTY THAT WE DO NOT KNOW, I WOULD CAUTION SOME LEVEL OF RESTRAINT, BECAUSE ANYTHING WE DO THAT WILL INCREASE YOUR BUDGET THIS YEAR WILL BE JUST THAT MUCH MORE. WE'RE TAKING AWAY NEXT YEAR. AND GOD, I'M NOT ADVOCATING FOR OR AGAINST, BUT IF WE ARE IN A COST CUTTING REDUCTION SCENARIO, IMPACT OR ASSESSMENT FEE OR ANY OF THE LIKE KIND OF CONVERSATIONS, YOU KNOW, THE MORE AND MORE WE DO THIS, THE MORE AND MORE LIKELY IT BECOMES HARDER TO PRESERVE EXISTING JOBS. NOT THE VACANCIES, NOT ANY OF THE OTHER STUFF. IT BECOMES HARDER AND HARDER THE MORE WE ADD TO THE BUDGET. SO AT THIS POINT, MY RECOMMENDED PATH FORWARD, AT LEAST TO YOU, IS PURSUE YOUR PROPERTY TAX ROLLBACK RATE THIS YEAR SO THAT YOU YOU WILL HAVE SOME PAIN NOW, BUT IT WILL, IT WILL IT WILL RELIEVE SOME PAIN LATER. YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF SAYING IF YOU WERE TO GO FORWARD WITH INCREASING THE PROPERTY TAX TO AFFORD A CONTRACT OR AFFORD AXON OR WHATEVER, WHATEVER THE JUSTIFICATION MAY BE, YOU'RE FINDING THAT MUCH MORE MONEY IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET TO CUT. IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT OTHER WAYS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, BEING AS CAUTIOUS AS POSSIBLE, WE COULD GO THROUGH AN INSTITUTE, A HIRING FREEZE FOR OUR NON PUBLIC SAFETY GENERAL FUNDED POSITIONS, EXCEPT IN THOSE RARE CASES APPROVED BY THE CITY MANAGER. THAT ENSURES THAT WHEN WE GO TO ACTUALLY CUT THOSE VACANCIES, IF WE'RE IN THE EVENT THAT WE HAVE TO THAT THAT'S THERE AND WE'RE NOT CUTTING SOMEBODY'S JOB THAT THEY JUST GOT. I MEAN, IT'S JUST IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DID PRIOR TO THE RECESSION BACK IN ZERO NINE. THERE WAS EVEN TALK BACK THEN, AND I THINK IT DID OCCUR. AND FORGIVE ME, I, I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL AT THAT TIME. THAT ONE WAS ALSO KIND OF INDUCED BY SOME EARLY PAYOUTS TO MAKE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, LEAVE THEIR JOBS EARLY, RETIRE EARLY, SO THAT THAT WOULD FREE UP A VACANCY AND CUT THAT POSITION WITHOUT HAVING TO CUT SOMEONE'S LIVELIHOOD. YOU KNOW, ADDITIONALLY, I'M ASKING TO TRY AND AFFORD WHAT PUBLIC SAFETY PERSONNEL COSTS THAT WE CAN WITHIN THE PUBLIC SAFETY OPERATING BUDGETS, BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S A CORE SERVICE, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S NO PROTECTIONS BUILT INTO THE BILL, THE MORE WE ADD TO IT, THAT'S JUST THE MORE WE GOT TO EITHER TAKE AWAY FROM ANOTHER DEPARTMENT OR EVEN COME BACK AND TAKE AWAY FROM THEM AT A LATER DATE, DEPENDING ON WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T CUT. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY, AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY LOOKING AT 28 AND 29, BUT WE HAVE TO FOCUS ON WHAT SOME OF THOSE COSTS REDUCING OPTIONS OR TAX SHIFTING OPTIONS WOULD BE MOVING FORWARD. SO FOR FOR MY PURPOSES, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO SAY ON THE MATTER FOR AT LEAST WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN 27 BEYOND THIS POINT. AND I'LL ALLOW COUNCIL TO KIND OF PEPPER ME WITH QUESTIONS AND TALK AMONGST YOURSELVES. BUT AT LEAST FOR RIGHT NOW, OUR OUR REQUESTED ACTION WOULD BE TO APPROVE THE SCHEDULE FOR THE 27 BUDGET PROCESS FOR THE TIMES BELOW, WHERE THE BUDGET SPECIAL MEETING WOULD OCCUR ON JULY 29TH AT 5:30 P.M. IT'S A WEDNESDAY. OBVIOUSLY, WE CAN'T GO THE SAME TIME AS THE COUNTY OR THE SCHOOL BOARD, SO WE WON'T BE ON OUR USUAL TUESDAYS FIRST BUDGET BUDGET PUBLIC HEARING WOULD FALL ON SEPTEMBER 9TH. THAT'S A WEDNESDAY AT 5:30 P.M. AND THE SECOND BUDGET HEARING WOULD FALL ON SEPTEMBER 23RD IN ALSO ON WEDNESDAY. AND THOSE WOULD ALL BE IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS. SO I'LL OPEN IT UP TO COUNCIL IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OF ME OR ANYTHING THAT I'VE SHOWN YOU JUST RECENTLY, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT TO TAKE IN. AND IT WAS AT THE LONG, LONG END OF A LONG DISCUSSION. BUT I WANT TO BE AS PLAIN AND OPEN WITH YOU ABOUT THE DIFFICULTIES WE'RE GOING TO BE FACING, MORE SO THAN SEEMINGLY ANY OTHER YEAR. OKAY. REAL QUICK, IF. GOOD. YEAH, MAYOR, THE ONLY OTHER POINT I AGREE WITH YOUR SUGGESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE THAT ONLY AT THIS POINT, ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF THE STUDY THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, JUST LOOKING COMPREHENSIVELY AT SOME OF THOSE FEES OR COSTS THAT ARE MAYBE STAYED STAGNANT, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THAT MAY BRING IN, BUT I DO THINK THAT THAT'S WORTHY OF US TAKING A LOOK AT THOSE AS A AS AN ADDITIONAL POINT FOR REVENUE TO COME IN WHERE IT'S PRUDENT. SO THAT'S THE ONLY POINT, MAYOR. REAL QUICK, MR. NEWMAN, THEN. AND SO I FIRST OF ALL, I'M A VOTE FOR ROLLBACK. IF I WANT TO PLAY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE FOR A DISCUSSION HERE FOR A MOMENT.

SURE. LET'S ASSUME FOR A MOMENT WE DIDN'T DO THE ROLLBACK RATE, BUT WE DESIGNATED IT TOWARDS SOMETHING. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WOULD OFFSET THE PAIN IF WE KNEW THAT IT WAS YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T DO ROLLBACK AND WE'RE ABLE TO PLAY MONEY GAMES TO HELP, YOU KNOW, KIND OF MAKE THE PAIN LESS. IS THERE ANY, ANY SCENARIO WHERE THAT EXISTS? MOST LIKELY. THE ONLY

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THING IF YOU WERE TO INCREASE YOUR TAX REVENUES OVER LAST YEAR, LET'S SAY, IF YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU SAY WE WANT TO EARN ANOTHER $2 MILLION INSTEAD OF THAT 429 OR WHATEVER IT WAS ON THE SCREEN, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE LIMITED TO A ONE TIME COST THAT THEN WOULD ROLL BACK. WE WOULD ROLL BACK THAT MUCH FURTHER IN THE NEXT YEAR WHEN WE WOULD GO TO START CUTTING OR SEEING THOSE REVENUE REDUCTIONS. SO IT'S IT'S NOT NECESSARILY ANYTHING I THINK THAT WOULD HAVE AN IMMEDIATE BENEFIT, OR AT LEAST OTHER THAN IF YOU WERE TO VERY MUCH RESTRICT IT TO ONE TIME USE ONLY, BECAUSE THAT WOULD REALLY BE THE ONLY WAY THAT THAT MONEY COULD THEN BE RETURNED AT A LATER DATE. AND THAT'S WHY I WAS THINKING LIKE A ONE TIME USE THING. AND I CAN'T EVEN THINK OF LIKE A CIP PROJECT OR WHAT THAT WELL, WELL, WHAT SPECIFIC THING WOULD MAKE WOULD MAKE THE DENT WORTH IT. BUT THAT'S WHY I FIGURED I'D JUST OPEN THAT BOX FOR THE DISCUSSION. BUT ABSOLUTELY, LIKE I SAID, I, I TRUST YOUR RECOMMENDATION OF A ROLLBACK.

OKAY. YOU HAD SOMETHING. AND I SAY IN CONJUNCTION WITH ALL OF THAT, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, I'D LIKE TO START SEEING ON OUR NEXT COMING UP MEETINGS IS ORDINANCES AND VOTES ON STOPPING THE SUBSIDY, SUBSIDIZING OTHER ENTITIES OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OR THAT HAVE NO FUNCTION WITH THE CITY THAT FDOT, THE DEVELOPERS, ETCETERA, ETCETERA. YOU KNOW BETTER WHAT WE'RE SUBSIDIZING THAN I KNOW. AND WHEN I STARTED TO HEAR THIS INFORMATION ABOUT SUBSIDIZING, I, IT WAS AN UGLY CONVERSATION. IT REALLY WAS, WHAT THE HECK ARE WE DOING? YOU KNOW? SO ANYWAY, I'D LIKE TO START, MR. LAMB. I'D LIKE TO START SEEING THAT AND, AND MR. CONNOLLY AS WELL. YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, YOU GUYS, YOU KNOW, IN YOUR SPARE TIME, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER YOU CAN FIGURE OUT. I'D LIKE TO START SEEING THOSE COME TO THE COME TO THE AGENDA. MAYOR. VICE MAYOR. GO AHEAD. MA'AM, JUST TO CLARIFY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, MR. LARUSSO, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SUBSIDIZING, IS THAT SORT OF LIKE A GRANT MATCH TYPE THING, OR ARE WE LITERALLY JUST GIVING AWAY MONEY? FDOT WE CHARGE WE IT COST US A DOLLAR TO MOW THE LAWNS. WE GET $0.75 BACK. THAT'S SUBSIDIZING. YEAH, DEVELOPERS WITH THEIR DEVELOPMENT FEES. I WAS JUST ASKING FOR MY OWN EDUCATION. YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH. I DON'T MEAN TO GET PASSIONATE, BUT I'M PASSIONATE. I GET IT, I GET IT. AND JUST TO TEMPER EXPECTATIONS, I KNOW WE DID TALK ABOUT THIS AS STAFF EARLIER. WE HAD A MEETING IN REGARDS TO SOME OF THE MOST RECENTLY PASSED LEGISLATION THAT'S GOING INTO EFFECT THIS YEAR. AND WE ARE REVIEWING FEES AND THE LIKE THAT ARE REQUIRED TO. I DO WANT TO TEMPER THE THE THE STICKER SHOCK OF WHAT IT MAY ACTUALLY COST TO COVER WHAT STAFF'S TIME IS FOR THESE TYPES OF THINGS. AND I KNOW CINDY AND JAMES WOULD KEEP YOU HERE TILL MIDNIGHT IF THEY COULD TO TO EXPLAIN WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE AND HOW MUCH COST THEY TRULY DO ABSORB WITHIN THEIR OWN BUDGETS TO DO SO. SO, AND I WOULD ASK THE DEPARTMENTS TO COME UP WITH, WITH THAT INFORMATION. AND IF IT'S NOT, IF IT'S NOT REASONABLE, IF IT'S NOT, I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO GIVE SOMEBODY I DON'T WANT TO SPEND A DOLLAR AND GET $0.75 BACK. IT'S LIKE THE OLD WATERMELON TRUCK CONVERSATION. I CAN BUY WATERMELONS ALL DAY LONG FOR A DOLLAR. AND THEN I GO TO THE SIDE OF THE ROAD AND I SELL THEM FOR $0.99. AND I GO BACK. I GET ANOTHER TRUCK LOAD OF WATERMELONS FOR A DOLLAR. YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW WHERE I'M GOING. TAKING ME BACK TO ACCOUNTING 101. THERE YOU GO, THERE YOU GO. SO, AND THAT'S MY JOB TO BRING YOU BACK TO ACCOUNTING 101. SO YEAH, ALWAYS APPRECIATE IT, I APPRECIATE YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? ONE THING I'LL I'LL SAY REAL QUICK IS I PLAN ON PROBABLY IN JULY. I'M GOING TO BRING SOMETHING UP TO COUNCIL TO DISCUSS. I REMEMBER MISS HANLEY WAS DISCUSSING ABOUT THE HEALTH INSURANCE AND THE ISSUES AND STUFF, BUT THAT WHEN WE GO TO LATER ON, WELL, HOLD ON, HOLD ON REAL QUICK.

YOU KNOW I INTERESTING AFTER AFTER YOU SPEAKING ABOUT THAT, I SPOKE TO MAYOR MAYOR ANDREW O'CONNOR UP IN TITUSVILLE. AND THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT HE DOES FOR A LIVING. AND HE HAD A LOT OF INSIGHT ON WHAT WE COULD DO TO SAVE THE CITY. MONEY, TIME, MELBOURNE, TITUSVILLE, ETCETERA, BY GOING DIRECTLY TO THE CARRIERS AS OPPOSED TO GOING TO THE THIRD PARTY AGENT THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT MY EXPERTISE. HE SAID HE WOULDN'T HAVE NO PROBLEM COMING IN, AND YOU COULD ASK HIM ALL THE QUESTIONS. AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL COULD DECIDE. BUT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, HE'S HE'S THE EXPERT ON THAT. HE'S BEEN DOING IT A LONG TIME. AND IT SOUNDED VERY INTERESTING, ESPECIALLY WHEN HE'S SAYING WE COULD ALL STAY QUIET, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS BY GOING IN A DIFFERENT MANNER. AND I MEAN THAT THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE. IT'S MY ISSUE WITH IT IS THAT THEY CAME AND PROMISED US. OR CERTAIN THINGS. I STILL HAVEN'T GOTTEN ROLLED OVER. OH, I'M LIKE, IF YOU HAD A PRESCRIPTION.

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SURE. IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT TIME, NEXT MONTH, GO PICK IT UP. OH, NO, YOU HAVE WE HAVE TO HAVE YOUR GO BACK TO THE DOCTOR AND WE HAVE TO GET THIS ALL NEW HAS TO SEND INTO THE HEALTH INSURANCE TO GET AUTHORIZATION TO DO THAT. AND I'M LIKE, I KNOW THAT I HAD THIS PRESCRIPTION WHEN WE HAD HEALTH FIRST AND ROLLED IT OVER TO AETNA DID NOT HAVE ANY OF THIS PROBLEM. AND I STILL HAVEN'T GOTTEN THE PRESCRIPTION. YOU KNOW, HIS COMMENT, MISS HANLEY WAS EVEN IF, YOU KNOW, WE ALL JOINED TOGETHER AND IT WAS SEVERAL MUNICIPALITIES, YOU CAN GO IN AND BUY SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, AT A LOWER RATE WHEN YOU HAVE MORE PEOPLE. BUT IT COULD BE A LOWER RATE. BUT IF YOU'RE NOT GETTING THE SERVICES AND LISTEN, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT IF YOU'RE NOT GETTING THE SERVICES AND YOU'RE OVERPAYING, IT'S A LOT HARDER DURING THIS BUDGET CRISIS AS OPPOSED TO NOT GETTING THE SERVICES AND NOT OVERPAYING. SO WHEN HE WHEN HE COMES, I WOULD GIVE COUNCIL PLENTY OF TIME. SO YOU CAN GET YOUR LIST OF QUESTIONS. AGAIN, I'M NOT THE EXPERT ON THIS. THAT'S NOT MY PORTION. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT EVEN OUR STAFF AND WE CAN KIND OF DISCUSS. AND IT MAY LEAD US NOWHERE. BUT THEN AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE TRYING TO THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX AND WHERE WE CAN SAVE SOME MONEY, AGAIN, IT'S SWITCHING COMPANIES. YOU KNOW, WE STAYED WHAT, 1.2 MILLION, 1.4 MILLION SOMETHING WITHIN THIS BUDGET CYCLE? YES. YEAH, EXACTLY. JUST BY THAT CHANGE. AND I'LL ARGUE ALL DAY LONG WITH WITH THE ISSUE I WENT THROUGH MEDICALLY, I WASN'T VERY HAPPY WITH THE PRIOR CARRIER. YOU'RE NOT NO PROBLEM WITH THEM. I I'M ALL RIGHT. SO BUT I'M JUST SAYING SO YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE IT'S ALL RELATIVE. I'M HERE TO PIGGYBACK OFF OF YOUR THING. I DID TALK TO THE MAYOR ABOUT THAT AS WELL. MAYOR ENCOUNTERS. I THINK THEY MADE IT THE SAME DAY AS WE DO. I JUST DIDN'T BRING IT UP BECAUSE WE'D HAVE TO DO A SPECIAL MEETING. SO I'D SUPPORT A SPECIAL MEETING TO HAVE THE GUY COME IN AND TALK TO US ABOUT IT. SO YEAH, I MEAN, IF IT'S GOING TO FIT NOW, LET ME ASK YOU NOW, YOU, YOU AND I ARE BOTH ARE, YOU KNOW, LICENSED IN INSURANCE.

AND THAT'S NOT OUR FIELD. RIGHT. IT SEEMED TO ME THAT HE KNEW HE KNEW THE STUFF. OH, NO. HE KNOW I ASKED I PEPPERED HIM WITH RANDOM QUESTIONS, JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST FROM AN INSURANCE SIDE. AND HE SEEMED IT MADE SENSE TO ME. IT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE IT WAS A SONG AND A DANCE.

SO I WAS LIKE, OH, WELL, THAT MAKES SENSE. AND THERE WAS EVEN A THIRD PARTY FRIEND WHO IS IN THAT KIND OF INSURANCE THAT I TALKED TO, AND I'M LIKE, HEY, DOES THIS SOUND RIGHT TO YOU? CAN YOU RUN BY IT? AND HE SAID, YEAH. AND SO LIKE IT ALL CHECKED OUT TO ME, IT WAS, IT'S AT LEAST WORTH, YOU KNOW, FOR THE CITY, FOR THE RESIDENTS. IT'S WORTH THE DISCUSSION IS WORTH THE DISCUSSION. OUR STAFF, OUR STAFF'S DEALING WITH A THIRD PARTY. THEY GOT TO GO BY WITH WHAT THEY'RE TOLD. YEAH. SO YOU KNOW WE ASKED OUR STAFF QUESTIONS AND THEY'RE LIKE, THIS IS WHAT I WAS TOLD. YOU'RE TOLD THE SAME THING AS THEY ARE WHEN PEOPLE ARE COMING UP HERE.

SO AT LEAST IF SOMEONE WHO IS IN OUR FIELD, WHO'S, WHO'S AN ELECTED OFFICIAL CAN SAY, LISTEN, THIS IS WHAT I DO. BUT DID WE GO RIGHT, JENNY? DIDN'T WE GO THROUGH BROWN AND BROWN? WE WENT THROUGH BROWN AND BROWN. BROWN AND BROWN WAS JUST REPRESENTED US, RIGHT? YEAH.

BUT THAT'S WHO CAME AND SPOKE TO US, RIGHT? WHO PROMISED YOU STUFF THAT YOU DIDN'T GET? MY FAMILY. AND THEY WERE A BROKER BECAUSE OF YOU. BECAUSE I AGREE WITH YOU AND MAYOR, IF I COULD ADD ON TO THAT, BECAUSE THE LEAGUE OF CITIES YESTERDAY, IT IT CAME UP AMONGST A FEW OTHER CITY MANAGERS, LIKE THEY'VE BEEN SAYING FOR YEARS, THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE THAT KIND OF DISCUSSION AND IT'S NEVER REALLY COME TOGETHER. SO I MEAN, OPPORTUNITY, SINCE WE'RE IN A COST SAVING AND EFFICIENCY MODE, CITIES HAVE. I KNOW COCOA, I DON'T I KNOW THAT THEY COCOA HAS. AND I BELIEVE SATELLITE BEACH, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN CLINIC THAT THEY USE. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY DO THEIR INSURANCE. EXACTLY. SO WE'LL ASK THEM. WELL, WHEN IT COMES UP, YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU HAVE FIRST DIBS. I'LL GIVE YOU FIRST SHOT AT IT. HOW'S THAT? OKAY. I, I BELIEVE TITUSVILLE IS ON THE SAME ROTATION AS US. THEY HAVE THE COUNCIL MEETINGS THE SAME NIGHTS AS US. SO WOULD WE. I THINK SOMEBODY ASKED IT ALREADY, BUT LIKE, REALLY, WOULD WE HAVE TO DO A SPECIAL SPECIAL SESSION FOR THIS? WELL, WE COULD, WE COULD DO THAT. OR MAYBE MAYBE A MEETING. RIGHT, RIGHT BEFORE BUDGET OR SOMETHING. OKAY. YOU KNOW, ON A WEDNESDAY NIGHT OR SOMETHING. IF HE CAN'T COME IN ON A WEDNESDAY NIGHT, MAYBE WE'LL COME A HALF HOUR. HE MIGHT HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE HE KNOWS TO DO WHATEVER. OKAY. THERE'S A LOT THAT I GOT TO LEARN ON THAT. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, BUT HE HE IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S GOING TO SAVE MONEY FOR THE CITY, AND WE CAN AT LEAST CHECK IT OUT. YEAH. NO, TOTALLY. YOU KNOW, AND OUR STAFF CAN GET READY TO DO YOU DO YOU WANT STAFF TO WORK WITH HIM ON SOME TIMES AND WE CAN THEN DO LIKE WHAT WE NORMALLY DO FOR SPECIAL MEETINGS. I'LL GIVE YOU THE INFORMATION. AND AGAIN, AND HE ALSO SAID HE'D BE HELPFUL ON STAFF AND WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED ON THAT ON THAT. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE A GOOD AVENUE. SO WE'RE ON NUMBER 18. WE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE. WE JUST NEED YOU TO APPROVE THE SCHEDULE. GENERAL. I THINK WE COULD DO THIS BY CONSENSUS TYPICALLY. YEAH. SO I DON'T THINK WE HAD ANYBODY SAY NO NO. I'M JUST GOING TO PUT IT IN MY CALENDAR. I'M GOOD. WE'RE GOOD. WE'RE GOOD. THANK EVERYBODY. GOOD WITH THAT. YEAH THANK YOU

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CHIEF. THANK YOU CHIEF. THANK YOU. I WON'T BE HERE FOR THE CHIEF. THAT CHIEF. I WON'T BE HERE FOR THE WEDNESDAY, JULY 29TH. YES. SO WE DON'T NEED YOU ANYMORE. ALL RIGHT. YEAH. GUESS

[19. Consideration of the City’s proposed 2026-2027 Federal Legislative Priorities.]

WHAT. YEAH. IT'S A TEAM. YOU GOT SEPTEMBER 9TH. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 19, WHICH IS LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES. MRS. LAMB, YOU GOT THIS ONE RIGHT? YES I DO I IN YOUR AGENDA PACKAGE, WE DID PROVIDE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DO WITH OUR STATE LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES. WE PROVIDED YOU WITH FEDERAL PRIORITIES. SOME OF THEM ARE JUST CONTINUED SUPPORT OR MAYBE MAYBE ADDITIONAL SUPPORT. YOU KNOW, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, THE DESIGNATED FUNDING FOR ADA COMPLIANT PLAYGROUNDS CONTINUED AN INCREASE OF FEDERAL HUD FUNDING AND CDBG AND HOME PROGRAMS. SO I THINK WHAT WE CAN DO IS WE CAN COME UP, YOU KNOW, IF COUNCIL AGREES WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S ON THE LIST TO, TO, TO HAVE ON THERE. WE ALSO ADDED SOME FUNDING REQUESTS. WHY NOT? THOSE ARE PROJECTS THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN SUCCESSFUL GETTING FUNDING FOR, BUT WHAT WE'RE WHAT WE'RE HOPING TO DO. AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL MEMBER HANLEY ASKED IS WHEN THEY GO UP THERE, IF WE COULD DO SOME TYPE OF CARD LIKE THIS, SORRY IF I'M STEALING YOUR THUNDER, BUT, YOU KNOW, SORT OF TAKE THIS INFORMATION AND PUT IT IN A FORMAT SO THAT THAT CAN BE HANDED OUT TO WHO THEY GET TO SPEAK TO. I DID HAVE ONE LATE ADDITION THAT I JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT TODAY. I GOT AN EMAIL TODAY, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT THE FEDS ARE CONSIDERING AND THAT ONE OF THE SENATORS IS GOING TO BE PRESENTING A BILL THAT WOULD RESTORE FEDERAL FUNDING TO SUPPORT AND PRIORITIZE THE CYBERSECURITY AND INFRASTRUCTURE SECURITY AGENCY AND ITS SUPPORT OF STATE, LOCAL AND CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE CYBERSECURITY EFFORTS. AND I WOULD THINK WE COULD GET ON WE POSSIBLY COULD GET ON BOARD, YOU KNOW, TO PRIORITIZE SUPPORT OF STATE, LOCAL AND CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE CYBERSECURITY EFFORTS. SO I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT TO THE LIST. AND LIKE I SAID, I JUST REALIZED THAT THEY WERE PROPOSING NEW LEGISLATION FOR THAT AND THEY WERE WORKING ON THAT. SO, YOU KNOW, IN LIGHT OF SOME OF OUR CONVERSATIONS THAT THAT I WAS LIKE, OH, WELL, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO BRING UP LATER. SO I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO THE CITY AND ALL CITIES REALLY. WOULD THIS BE FOR THE THE FLY IN TO DC OR IS THIS FOR JUST IN GENERAL? YES, THIS IS COUNCIL MEMBER HANLEY REQUESTED THAT WE WE LOOK AT THESE PRIORITIES AND COUNCIL PROVIDE INPUT ON THESE PRIORITIES. I HAD STAFF PROVIDE INPUT ON THESE PRIORITIES IN ADVANCE OF THE FLY IN. SO THAT YOU HAD ITEMS TO TALK ABOUT WITH THEM. RIGHT. OKAY. GO AHEAD SIR. AND NOW ONE THANK YOU, JENNY, FOR FOR PUTTING IN THE DOWNTOWN MAIN STREET PORTIONS OF IT. I JUST THOUGHT OF THIS TODAY. SO SINCE WE'RE DOING LATE ARRIVALS ON IT, I LOVE MY CRA, BUT I ALSO LOVE MR. LARUSSO'S CRA AND I THINK HE'D AGREE WITH ME. O'GALLEY IS AMAZING. IT'S OURS. BUT YOU'RE A FIRST AMONG EQUALS, MR. LARUSSO. YOU'RE FIRST AMONG EQUALS FOR THAT. BUT THAT SAID I, SOMETHING THAT JUST REALLY PIQUED MY INTEREST WHEN I'VE TALKED TO LEGISLATORS IN TALLAHASSEE, DC, DC WAS THAT THEY PREFER STATE, FEDERAL, STATE, LOCAL, LIKE MULTIPLE FUNDING SOURCES FOR PROJECTS. I BELIEVE THAT BECAUSE OF THE COUNTY AND BECAUSE OF OUR FUNDING, THE GARAGE MIGHT QUALIFY FOR THAT. WOULD WE BE OPEN TO JUST THROWING THE GARAGE IN THERE AND SEE SEE IF IT STICKS? BUT I WANTED TO PUNT THAT OVER TO MR. LARUSSO FIRST, IF YOU ARE OPPOSED TO SUCH AN IDEA. OH, NO, THAT'S VERY KIND OF YOU. BUT LET ME SAY THIS ABOUT THAT THOUGH, REAL QUICK.

YOU KNOW, ON THE SPOT IS THAT WE HAVE THE GREATEST ADVOCATE IN DC RIGHT NOW. YES, SIR. AND HIS NAME IS MIKE HARIDOPOLOS. HE WAS OUR LOBBYIST FOR 4 OR 5 YEARS. JENNY. SOME SOME SUCH THING. I MEAN, HE LOVES THIS CITY, GOD'S SAKES. AND I KNOW ALREADY FROM A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD WITH HIM THAT HE HE WORKS HIS TAIL OFF FOR US. HE REALLY DOES. AND YOU KNOW THAT AS WELL. WE ALL KNOW THAT. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT, FOR THAT RESPECT.

YEAH, I SAY GO FOR IT. OKAY. ABSOLUTELY. WELL, YOU KNOW, OKAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU ALWAYS ASK ME, HEY, WHAT DO YOU NEED? WHAT DO YOU NEED? I CAN WE ALL OUGHT TO GET TOGETHER.

PARKING GARAGES ALL THE TIME. YEAH. PARKING. SEND ME FUNDING REQUESTS. SEND ME SOMETHING FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO GIVE US FOR HIM TO BE ABLE TO WORK ON TO, YOU KNOW, ADVOCATE ON OUR BEHALF. SO. AND CAN I GET A DIGITAL VERSION OF THAT FLIER THAT YOU MAKE, BY THE WAY, WHEN IT'S DONE? YES. GREAT. THANK YOU. SORRY. I WILL BE HAPPY TO SHARE THAT WITH EVERYONE. THANK YOU. OKAY. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS? SO WE'RE GOOD. SO REALLY I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE IS IS GOOD WITH THE PRIORITIES. WE'LL ADD THOSE TO THE CONSENSUS AND PERFECT.

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THANK YOU. AND I WAS VERY HAPPY TO SEE THE PARKS AND REC ON THERE AS WELL TOO. YEAH. THANK

[20. Travel authorization to attend the Melbourne Regional Chamber of Commerce's 2026 Community Leadership Retreat, September 10-12, 2026 in Jupiter, FL and making a finding that the event serves a valid public purpose.]

YOU FOR THAT. SO NOW MOVING ON, MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 20. THIS IS GOING TO BE REGARDING THE COMMUNITY, THE MELBOURNE REGIONAL CHAMBER, COMMUNITY LEADERSHIP RETREAT. JUSTICE.

YES. HELLO. JUSTICE STEVENS, ASSISTANT CITY CLERK COUNCILMEMBER HANLEY HAS EXPRESSED INTEREST IN ATTENDING WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY THE MELBOURNE REGIONAL CHAMBER AND IS NOW THE SPACE COAST CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. THEIR 2026 COMMUNITY LEADERSHIP RETREAT IN SEPTEMBER HAPPENING IN JUPITER, FLORIDA. THE EVENT IS OCCURRING OUTSIDE OF BREVARD COUNTY, SO PER POLICY COUNCIL POLICY NUMBER 36. THIS REQUIRES COUNCIL'S APPROVAL TO ATTEND THESE EVENTS BASED ON. IF THE EVENT SERVES A VALID PUBLIC PURPOSE. JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT THE ALL INCLUSIVE COSTS PER ATTENDEE IS $700 FOR ONE NIGHT STAY, OR 950 FOR A TWO NIGHT STAY, AND THE FUNDING IS AVAILABLE IN THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL TRAVEL AND PER DIEM BUDGET. WITH THAT, THE REQUESTED ACTION IS FOR AUTHORIZATION FOR COUNCIL MEMBER HANLEY AND ANY OTHER INTERESTED COUNCIL MEMBERS TO ATTEND THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE 2026 LEADERSHIP RETREAT. YEAH. OKAY. REAL QUICK. GOOD SIR. OKAY. YES. REAL QUICK, WE'RE A SILVER PARTICIPANT IN THE CHAMBER. MR. LIAM, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. SO HOW MANY PEOPLE WENT LAST YEAR ON THEIR DIME? ON OUR DIME? BUT AS A AS AS PART OF THE BENEFIT OF BEING A SILVER MEMBER, I THINK LAST YEAR WE HAD TWO TWO WITH WITH OUR TWO THAT PAID IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE CONTRIBUTE FOR THE CHAMBER, I THINK WE HAD A BREAKFAST IN. WE HAD WE WERE A SPONSOR OF A BREAKFAST. OKAY. SO HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY CONFIRMATION BACK FROM THE CHAMBER THAT THAT SAME POLICY IS GOING TO EXIST THIS YEAR? WE WE COULD BUNDLE LIKE THAT IF WE WANTED TO. AND SO IF WE COULD HAVE SWORN I BROUGHT THE INFORMATION WITH ME. BUT IF ONLY ONE PERSON'S GOING. IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE IF BECAUSE IF IF YOU LIKE, HOST A BREAKFAST, THEN THAT'S WHEN YOU GET THE TWO THE TWO PEOPLE TO GO. ALL RIGHT, SO A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS I'VE GOT, DO WE KNOW THE REGISTRATION DATE DEADLINE, SEPTEMBER SOMETHING RIGHT. THAT EVENT IS NOT UNTIL SEPTEMBER 10TH THROUGH 12TH. SO I IMAGINE THERE'S A DEADLINE IS WHEN IT'S AT THE END OF AUGUST. END OF AUGUST. YES. SO WE'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF TIME RIGHT NOW TO BE ABLE TO RESEARCH THAT VERY QUESTION TO SEE WHAT WE PAY AND WHAT WE DON'T PAY, BUT WHAT WE'VE ALREADY PAID. SO THE CIVIL PARTICIPATION LEVEL, THE ACCESS, HOW MANY PARTICIPANTS INCLUDED FROM LAST YEAR? YOU TOLD ME TWO. AND THEN WE PAID FOR TWO AS WELL TOO. SO I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THIS, THIS AGENDA ITEM AND PUSH IT TO THE FIRST MEETING IN JULY OR SECOND MEETING IN JULY, BECAUSE I STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE APPROVING, WHAT WE'RE NOT APPROVING IN TERMS OF DOLLARS. NOW, I'M NOT SAYING ANYBODY SHOULDN'T GO. I NEVER I'VE NEVER APPROVED IT BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE IN IT. AND A CRITICAL NEED. I STILL HAVEN'T SEEN A WHITE PAPER FROM ANYBODY ON THIS. AND WHAT THE CRITICAL NEED IS TO GO TO THIS MEETING, I MEAN, TO THIS RETREAT. BUT THAT'S JUST ME. YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE CRITICAL NEED IS. TELL ME WHAT TELL ME WHAT YOU LEARNED. TELL ME WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO TEACH ME. SO THAT THAT'S THAT'S THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE. SO ANYWAY, I'M, I'M REQUESTING THAT THIS, THIS AGENDA ITEM GETS PUSHED TO JUST NEXT MONTH SO WE CAN GET SOME MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE CHAMBER. OKAY. THAT'S IT. I DO HAVE A QUESTION THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE MAYOR AND THE REST OF COUNCIL, OF COURSE, AFTER COUNCIL DISCUSSION HERE, HOW MANY ARE INTERESTED IN GOING JUST BECAUSE THAT MAY THEN LET US BUNDLE. SO SO YOU WANTED YOU WERE GOING TO GO. YOU WANTED TO GO AND MISS HANLEY WANTED TO GO, CORRECT. YEAH. THAT'S WHAT I'M THE ONE. YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH.