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          EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE JULY 29TH, 2026 SPECIAL CITY COUNCIL MEETING. BEFORE WE BEGIN THE MEETING, LET ME LET ME REVIEW THE PROCEDURES FOR THE MEETING. IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK, COME TO COMPLETE A REQUEST TO SPEAK FORM LOCATED AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE COUNCIL CHAMBER AND SUBMIT THE COMPLETED FORM TO THE SERGEANT AT ARMS. WHEN YOUR NAME HAS BEEN CALLED, YOU USE THE MICROPHONE AT THE LECTERN ON THE AUDIENCE'S RIGHT AND EITHER STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS OR YOUR NAME AND CITY. BE MINDFUL OF THE TIME ON THE LECTERN AND WRAP UP YOUR COMMENTS BEFORE YOUR SPEAKING TIME. IN THE TIME LIMITS ARE POSTED ON THE REQUEST TO SPEAK FORMS. AN APPLICANT, REPRESENTATIVE, OR PERSON OF THE LEGAL STANDING TO SUPPORT OR OPPOSE A QUASI JUDICIAL MATTER WILL BE PERMITTED ENOUGH TIME, AS WILL BE DETERMINED BY THE CITY COUNCIL TO CREATE A RECORD BEFORE THE COUNCIL. ANY PERSON WHO MAKES A PERSONAL, IMPERTINENT, SLANDEROUS REMARKS OR BECOMES BOISTEROUS WHILE ADDRESSING THE CITY COUNCIL WILL BE ORDERED TO LEAVE THE COUNCIL CHAMBER. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US THIS EVENING. WE'LL BEGIN WITH THE INVOCATION, ACTUALLY TO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE 
          [1. Pledge of Allegiance]
TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. 
          ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. MOVE ON TO 
          [2. Roll Call]
ROLL CALL. COUNCIL MEMBER. SMITH. I'M HERE. PRESENT. COUNCIL MEMBER. LARUSSO. 
          PRESENT. COUNCIL MEMBER. NEWMAN. HASN'T CALLED IN YET. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER HANLEY. OH, THERE HE IS. VICE MAYOR KENNEDY HERE. MAYOR ALFREY AND I'M HERE. OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO GO TO ITEM 
          [3. Review of the Fiscal Year 2027 Proposed Budget]
THREE. REVIEW THE FISCAL YEAR 2022 PROPOSED BUDGET. ROSS. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. 
          THIS IS GOING TO BE YOUR FISCAL YEAR 2027 BUDGET DISCUSSION. AT THIS WORKSHOP, WE'RE PRIMARILY LOOKING AT BOTH WHAT WHAT WE'VE PREPARED FOR YOU, BASED OFF OF YOUR INPUT FROM THE JUNE 9TH BUDGET DISCUSSION, AND WANTING TO HELP FACILITATE COUNCIL'S REVIEW AND DISCUSSION OF THE BUDGET AS PROPOSED. THE MAIN ITEM HERE TONIGHT THAT WE DO IS TO SET OUR TENTATIVE MILLAGE RATE. THIS WILL BE INCLUDED ON YOUR TRIM ADDS, WHICH WILL BE MAILED OUT TO CONSTITUENTS IN THE FOLLOWING MONTH. GENERALLY, THE MAIN THING THAT WE LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT AT THIS POINT IS THAT A TENTATIVE MILLAGE RATE WHEN YOU ADOPT TONIGHT, EVEN THOUGH YOU CAN DO BY SIMPLE MAJORITY JUST FOR FOR VOTE, SIMPLE MAJORITY, COUNCIL CANNOT INCREASE THAT RATE AT THE SEPTEMBER PUBLIC HEARINGS AND COUNCIL MAY DECREASE IT IF DESIRED. I'LL TOUCH ON THIS A LITTLE LATER, BUT EVEN THOUGH YOU MAY ADOPT SOMETHING HIGHER THAN ROLLBACK AT THIS POINT, WITH A SIMPLE MAJORITY OF FOUR VOTES, ANYTHING THAT WILL BE TALKED ABOUT OR DISCUSSED AT THE SEPTEMBER BUDGET HEARINGS WILL REQUIRE A SUPERMAJORITY VOTE TO APPROVE A MILLAGE RATE ABOVE ROLLBACK. SO LOOKING AT YOUR GENERAL FUND AND JUMPING RIGHT INTO IT, IT'S BEEN A CHALLENGING YEAR. I'M NOT GOING TO LIE TO YOU ON THAT. IT'S BEEN A VARIETY OF ESCALATORY EXPENDITURE COSTS, PRIMARILY IN OUR EMPLOYEE COMPENSATION AREA AND A LACK OF REALLY REVENUE GROWTH FROM, EITHER ANY OF OUR TRADITIONAL REVENUE STREAMS, LIKE PROPERTY TAXES OR THE LIKE. 
          BUT GOING DOWN ON THE LEFT SIDE FIRST ON REVENUES, OUR ELECTRIC REVENUES WERE FORECASTING FOR AN ADDITIONAL $2.4 MILLION, COMING IN NEXT YEAR, PRIMARILY AS A RESULT OF SOME POSITIVE VARIANCES THAT WE SAW SO FAR THROUGH THIS YEAR'S ACTIVITY, AS WELL AS THE FORECASTED 2 TO 3% RATE INCREASE, AS PROPOSED BY FPNL TO THE FLORIDA PUBLIC SERVICE COMMISSION AS PART OF THE RATE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT. THE POSITIVE VARIANCES THIS YEAR WERE A RESULT OF A COUPLE OF SURCHARGES THAT WERE BURIED VERY, VERY DEEP INTO THEIR, THEIR TARIFF, WHICH ALLOWED THEM TO INCREASE BOTH THE TIER TWO FUEL CHARGE AS WELL AS AN ENVIRONMENTAL SURCHARGE THAT WAS NOT AS PREVALENT OR ON THE HEADLINE NUMBERS AS THE BASE RATES WERE DISCUSSED. SO LOOKING FORWARD FROM THIS YEAR AND FISCAL YEAR 28 AND BEYOND, WE'RE MORE CONTEMPLATING SMALLER RATE INCREASES THAN WHAT YOU'RE SEEING THERE. ABSENT A CHANGE IN USAGE WITHIN THE CITY, PROPERTY TAXES THAT 608 583, YOU CAN LOOK AT THAT AS BASICALLY WHAT IS YOUR NEW DEVELOPMENT GROWTH AS WE HAVE PREPARED THIS BUDGET FOR YOU AT THE ROLLED BACK RATE, PART OF THAT GROWTH HAPPENS WITHIN YOUR CRA DISTRICT. SO BRIEFLY JUMPING TO YOUR RIGHT THERE, THE CRA TAX INCREMENT FUNDING, AS YOU INCREASE YOUR PROPERTY TAXES WITHIN EACH OF THOSE DISTRICTS, THE GENERAL FUND HAS TO PAY ITS COMMISERATE SHARE TO THOSE DISTRICTS. ADMIN SERVICE FEES AT 350,000 163. THESE ARE THE RESOURCES USED BY OTHER FUNDS, PARTICULARLY WATER, SEWER, STORMWATER, THE AIRPORT FUND THAT USE GENERAL FUND RESOURCES LIKE MY TIME DEVOTED ON THEIR PROJECTS AND OTHER STAFF MEMBERS DEVOTING THEIR TIME FOR THEIR PROJECTS. YOUR INSURANCE PREMIUM TAX. THIS IS A PREMIUM TAXES ON BOTH YOUR HOMEOWNERS INSURANCE POLICY AS 
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WELL AS YOUR CAR POLICIES. BOTH HAVE A PREMIUM TAX ATTACHED TO THEM THAT ALLOWS FOR A TAX THAT GOES THROUGH US AND INTO YOUR PENSION PLANS ON BEHALF OF YOUR FIREFIGHTERS AND POLICE OFFICERS. SO EVEN THOUGH WE SEE A $246,000 INCREASE THERE, THAT'S ALL ALL COMMITTED IMMEDIATELY TO YOUR EMPLOYEE COMPENSATION SIDE OF THINGS, LOOKING AT GAS REVENUES AND SOLID WASTE REVENUES SIMILAR TO YOUR ELECTRIC REVENUES, WE HAVE BOTH A FRANCHISE FEE AND UTILITY TAX. ELECTRIC REVENUES WERE OBVIOUSLY FLORIDA POWER AND LIGHT GAS REVENUES IS YOUR FLORIDA CITY GAS, WHICH IS UP FOR RENEWAL WITH THE PSC. AND SOLID WASTE IS YOUR WASTE MANAGEMENT, CONTRACT. SO IN EACH OF THOSE, WE'RE EXPECTING THE FAIRLY, EXPECTED 3% OR CPI TYPE INCREASES, AS YOU CAN SEE THERE. AND BEYOND THAT POINT, OUR REVENUES BECOME A BIT NEGATIVE, FROM PRIOR YEAR BUDGETS. SO LOOKING AT INTEREST INCOME ITSELF, OUR MAIN INTEREST INCOME THAT WE HAVE, WE HAVE A BUDGET CURRENTLY OF ABOUT 3 MILLION WITHIN THE GENERAL FUND. WE'RE EXPECTING THAT TO REMAIN THE SAME FOR THE MOST PART. THE DECREASE YOU SEE THERE OF THAT 10,000 IS PRIMARILY A RESULT OF THE ADVANCE THAT YOU GAVE TO THE GOLF COURSE TO PURCHASE THEIR MOST RECENT GOLF COURSE, CARTS. THEY'VE BEEN PAYING THAT BACK EACH YEAR INCREMENTALLY. SO AS THEY, AS THEY HAVE A SMALLER PRINCIPAL, THEY PAY LESS IN INTEREST. AND THAT'S WHY YOU'RE SEEING A DECREASE THERE ON THE INTEREST INCOME LINE. JUST GIVEN THE UNCERTAINTY WITH WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN BOTH, SOME OF THE MORE RECENT CPI INFORMATION AS WELL AS THE FEDS, DETERMINATION OF WHEN TO RAISE RATES, IF ANY. I KNOW THEY JUST VOTED TODAY TO NOT RAISE RATES. WE'RE APPROACHING THAT INCOME AS A KIND OF A RELATIVELY NEUTRAL PATH FORWARD AS IF YOU WERE TO INCREASE SHORT TERM RATES THAT MAY BENEFIT US ON OUR SHORT TERM PORTFOLIO, BUT IT MAY DO EQUAL OR GREATER HARM ON OUR LONGER TERM PORTFOLIO AND VICE VERSA. SO FOR THE MOST PART, UNTIL THERE'S SOME LEVEL OF ADDITIONAL ECONOMIC CERTAINTY, WE'RE MORE COMFORTABLE LEAVING THIS AT A NEUTRAL, UNTIL WE HAVE BETTER INFORMATION TO, TO FORECAST THAT YOUR OTHER REVENUES AND DEVELOPMENT FEES. WE'VE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT WITH OUR PROPERTY TAXES, WE CAN GENERALLY SEE IN THE PIPELINE WHAT PROJECTS ARE COMING FORWARD FROM THE BUILDING FUND. WE'VE SEEN A DECREASE IN ACTIVITY. AND THAT SAME DECREASE IN ACTIVITY FROM PRIOR YEARS IS KIND OF THE RESULT OF WHY YOU'RE SEEING A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A DIMINISHED PROPERTY TAX INCREASE FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION VALUES. SO WE'RE STILL FORECASTING SOME LEVEL OF DIMINISHED ACTIVITY IN THOSE FUNDS. SO A DIMINISHED AMOUNT OF REVENUES FOR BOTH REVENUES AND DEVELOPMENT FEES. YOUR SALES TAXES. I'VE KIND OF BEEN BELABORING THIS POINT THE LAST COUPLE YEARS. SALES TAX IN, IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA IS POPULATION DRIVEN. SO EVEN THOUGH YOU MAY BUY SOMETHING IN THE CITY OF MELBOURNE THAT GETS COLLECTED AND SENT TO THE STATE, THE STATE THEN DIVIDES THAT AMONGST THE MUNICIPALITIES AND COUNTIES BY POPULATION. SO EVEN IF YOU ARE A MELBOURNE RESIDENT SPENDING MONEY IN MELBOURNE PAYING SALES TAX IN MELBOURNE, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY COME TO MELBOURNE. WHEN YOU LOOK AT RECREATION REVENUES AND WE'LL TOUCH ON THIS ON SOME OF THE NOTABLE CUT SLIDE, THIS IS PRIMARILY A RESULT OF THE ELIMINATION OF YOUR SUMMER CAMP PROGRAMS. THE WATER SEWER RATE OF RETURN. AS WE SEE THE CITY OF WEST MELBOURNE, DEPARTING THE SYSTEM IN THE COMING FISCAL YEAR PER THEIR CONTRACT, WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE A LACK OF OR A DECREASE IN OUR REVENUES AND THEREFORE DECREASE IN OUR RATE OF RETURN TO THE GENERAL FUND. SO EVEN THOUGH WE DO HAVE A RATE INCREASE, IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO OFFSET THAT LOSS IN REVENUE OVERALL. LOOKING AT THE COMMUNICATION SERVICE TAX, THIS IS THAT ONE THAT I WAS QUITE VEXED BY GOING INTO THIS BUDGET CYCLE. WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE PAST, PREVIOUS YEAR, WE HAD THREE YEARS OF STRONG POSITIVE VARIANCES COMING IN WELL OVER THE BUDGETS THAT WE PROPOSED. THAT GAVE US THE CONFIDENCE TO GO AHEAD AND SAY, ALL RIGHT, THIS IS TURNED AROUND FROM SOME OF THE CORD CUTTING ACTIVITY THAT WE SAW PREVIOUSLY AS HOUSEHOLDS WERE KIND OF GOING AWAY FROM THE, YOU KNOW, WIRED CABLE CONNECTIONS AND THE LIKE TO MORE OF THOSE NETFLIXES AND OTHER APPS THAT ONLY REQUIRE JUST A SIMPLE INTERNET CONNECTION. UNFORTUNATELY, IF ECONOMIC ACTIVITY IS, YOU KNOW, NOT FAVORABLE TO THE AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD, SOME OF THE FIRST THINGS THEY GENERALLY TEND TO CUT ARE THOSE TYPES OF APPS AND ENTERTAINMENT APPS, BECAUSE THEY'RE MORE WANT THAN NEED. 
          WE'RE STILL CONTINUING TO SEE SOME CORD CUTTING BEHAVIOR, BUT THAT SEEMS TO BE THE DRIVER OF THIS DECREASE. THE LAST LINE THERE ON THE SAFER GRANT. SAFER GRANT WAS WHAT WE APPLIED FOR, FOR THE ADDITIONAL 12 FIREFIGHTER POSITIONS AS PART OF THE HEAVY RESCUE PURCHASE. 
          WE'RE ENTERING INTO THE LAST YEAR OF REIMBURSEMENT, AND THAT'S ONLY FOR THE FIRST SIX MONTHS OF FISCAL YEAR 2027. SO WE HAVE A DECREASE OF $650,000 IN EXPECTED REVENUES FROM THAT GRANT. HOWEVER, ON THE TRANSFERS TO CIP IMMEDIATELY NEXT TO IT, WE HAVE A COMMISERATE AMOUNT THAT WAS PLUGGED IN TO FUND SPECIFIC ONE TIME PURCHASES, LIKE FIRE ENGINES THAT WERE DEFERRED IN PREVIOUS IN THE PREVIOUS DECADE. SO WE HAVE DECREASED THAT BY A COMMENSURATE AMOUNT FROM THAT 650. LOOKING ON THE EXPENDITURE SIDE, YOUR EMPLOYEE COMPENSATION AGAIN LOOMS LARGE AS IT HAS FOR THE PAST FEW YEARS, PRIMARILY DRIVEN BY YOUR PUBLIC SAFETY CONTRACTS. YOUR RISK MANAGEMENT COSTS HAVE INCREASED AS A RESULT OF AN 
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AUDIT OF WHAT INSURABLE ASSETS WE HAVE THAT ARE BELONGING TO THE GENERAL FUND, AS WELL AS YOUR OTHER FUNDS, LIKE THE WATER, SEWER AND STORMWATER FUND. AND THAT IS TO, TO RECOGNIZE THAT WHILE THERE PROBABLY WAS A PREMIUM DECREASE OVERALL FOR THE CITY, THE GENERAL FUND ITSELF WAS NOT PAYING ITS FAIR SHARE FOR THE PREVIOUS FEW YEARS. SO THIS IS EFFECTIVELY CORRECTING THAT, WORKERS COMPENSATION INSURANCE AS THOSE CLAIMS INCREASE, OUR CLAIMS EXPERIENCE WORSENS, WHICH MEANS THE GENERAL FUND, WHICH IS THE PRIMARY DRIVER OF THOSE CLAIMS THROUGH THE POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENTS, WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE A SIMILAR, ADDITIONAL INCREASE TO THAT, THAT FUND AS WELL. YOUR OPERATING EXPENDITURES WERE RELATIVELY FLAT, BUT AS YOU'RE GOING TO SEE ON A, ON A FOLLOWING SLIDE, IT'S BEEN A DEFINITELY ROBBING FROM PETER TO PAY PAUL BETWEEN THE DEPARTMENTS TO TRY AND KEEP THAT RELATIVELY FLAT. YOU KNOW, A VARIETY OF REASONS, WHETHER THAT'S CONTRACTUAL IN NATURE, WHETHER THAT'S SOFTWARE THAT WE USE THAT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO, TO REMOVE IN A YEAR OR GET OFF OF IN A YEAR, GO TO A SIMILAR COMPETITOR OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. AND A LOT OF WAYS WE HAVE BEEN TIED INTO A LOT OF VERY UNFORTUNATE, BUT MONOPOLISTIC TYPE TENDENCIES, LIKE THINGS LIKE THE BODY WORN CAMERAS, AS WE DISCUSSED, THERE'S REALLY ONE GAME IN TOWN AND THEY CAN PRETTY MUCH DEMAND OF US WHAT THEY WILL, MOVING DOWN TO CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, SOME DUES THAT WE HAD THAT WERE IN THE BUDGET. AGAIN, WE'RE GOING FROM THE POSITIVE SIDE OF THE LEDGER TO THE NEGATIVE. SO THESE ARE CUTS. WE WERE RECOMMENDING CUTS OF BOTH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL AND MAIN STREET CONTRACT, SIMPLY AS A BUDGET BALANCING MEASURES. WHEN YOU LOOK AT HOW MUCH IT TOOK TO, REALLY GET TO THAT 2,067,989 INCREASE, YOU CAN SEE THE FIRST LINE ON THE RIGHT FOR EXPENDITURES ALREADY IS GREATER THAN MOST OF WHAT YOU SEE THERE IN POSITIVE ON THE REVENUE SIDE. SO AS LONG AS WE HAVE PRETTY MUCH A, AN ENHANCED LEVEL OF EMPLOYEE COMPENSATION COSTS INCREASING YEAR OVER YEAR, IT'S BECOMING MORE AND MORE INCUMBENT ON US TO CUT ON OTHER EXPENDITURES RATHER THAN CONTINUE TO RELY ON REVENUES THAT CAN'T, CAN'T KEEP UP WITH THAT. WHEN WE GET INTO TRAINING AND EDUCATION, WE WENT ACROSS EACH OF THE DEPARTMENTS AND LOOKED AT ANY TRAVEL THAT WE DEEMED, MAYBE NOT AS NECESSARY EITHER FROM A CONTRACTUAL STANDPOINT OR FROM A CONTINUING EDUCATION STANDPOINT. SO AS LONG AS IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU NEED TO DO TO DO YOUR JOB, WE'RE STILL GENERALLY FUNDING IT. BUT ANYTHING BEYOND THAT POINT, WHETHER THAT'S ATTENDING CERTAIN CONFERENCES OR THE LIKE, WE'VE ELIMINATED FUNDING FROM THOSE IN EACH OF THE DEPARTMENTS AS WELL. YOUR CONTINGENCY, SO FAR THIS YEAR, WE ORIGINALLY HAD 216,000 PLUGGED INTO THE CURRENT YEAR'S BUDGET. WE'RE RECOMMENDING NO CONTINGENCY GOING INTO THE FISCAL YEAR 2027 BUDGET. SO AGAIN, THAT MEANS THE DEPARTMENTS, WHEN THEY GO THROUGH THIS FISCAL YEAR, IN THE EVENT THAT THEY HAVE SOME NEGATIVE VARIANCES, FROM WHAT THEY ANTICIPATED, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LIVE WITHIN THEIR OWN BUDGETS. WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING UNTIL WE REACH A QUARTERLY. AND AT WHICH POINT, HOPEFULLY THERE IS A POSITIVE VARIANCE SOMEWHERE WITHIN THE BUDGET THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO REPRIORITIZE FUNDING. HOWEVER, WE WILL BE ENTERING THIS YEAR WITH NO CONTINGENCY IN THE GENERAL FUND, REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE COSTS. FACILITIES HAVE MADE A RECOMMENDATION OF, OF VARIOUS REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED AND REMOVED FROM THE BUDGET. WE HOPE TO FUND THESE AND HOPEFULLY IN SOME LEVEL OF QUARTERLY UPCOMING, BUT AGAIN, REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE, IF IT WASN'T ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY, WE, WE DEEMED IT AS SOMETHING THAT WASN'T MEANT TO BE INCLUDED IN THIS BUDGET, GIVEN THE BUDGETARY CONSTRAINTS OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. THE DEBT SERVICE THERE, THIS IS BASICALLY THE LAST YEAR YOU WILL HAVE A PAYMENT FOR YOUR 2018 NON AD VALOREM NOTE. THAT IS WHAT PAID FOR, BOTH THIS BUILDING AS WELL AS THE GARAGE. WE OBVIOUSLY HAD AN OLDER DEBT THAT WE REFINANCED INTO THAT VEHICLE. AND THIS IS THE LAST YEAR WE'LL HAVE THAT PAYMENT. WE'RE GOING TO OWN THIS PLACE NOW. WE'RE GOING TO OWN THIS PLACE NOW. YEAH. SO OUR LAST PAYMENTS IN DECEMBER, THAT'LL BE ABOUT A $300,000 PAYMENT. OUR INTENT WAS ORIGINALLY TO USE THE DEBT SERVICE FOR 2018 TO ROLL IT INTO FOR A FUTURE FIRE STATION. UNFORTUNATELY, GIVEN THE BUDGET CONSTRAINTS, WE'RE RECOMMENDING DEFERRAL OF THAT STATION UNTIL BOTH THE REVENUES HAVE A BIT MORE CERTAINTY TO THEM, AS WELL AS UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE'S ADDITIONAL BUDGET PRESSURES COMING FORWARD IN THE COMING YEARS THAT MAY NOT BE THE MOST APPROPRIATE USE OF OUR FUNDS. 
          THE GOLF COURSE FUND SUBSIDY, WE TRIED TO BREAK OUT THE GOLF COURSE FUND IN THE PRIOR FISCAL YEAR SO THAT WE COULD SEE THE TRUE COST OF OPERATING IT FROM WHAT THE GOLF COURSE REVENUES DO GENERATE VERSUS WHAT IT COSTS TO OPERATE THOSE GOLF COURSES DIRECTLY. AND WHILE WE'VE ELIMINATED THE DIRECT GOLF COURSE FUND SUBSIDY ITSELF, THE 692, 775 THAT YOU SAW THERE THAT THEY RECEIVED THIS YEAR FROM THE GENERAL FUND, THEY WILL NOT BE RECEIVING ANY DIRECT SUBSIDY FROM THE GENERAL FUND FOR NEXT YEAR, AGAIN, DUE TO BUDGETARY CONSTRAINTS. IT'S WORTH NOTING THAT WE STILL WILL HAVE SOME LEVEL OF INDIRECT SUBSIDY FROM GENERAL FUND STAFF, SOFTWARE'S, ASSETS THAT ARE USED BY THE GOLF COURSES FUND, BUT THEY ARE NOT PAYING FOR THAT. SO AGAIN, EVEN THOUGH IT MAY BE LOOKING, LOOKING AS IF THE GOLF COURSE FUND IS STANDING ON ITS OWN, IT CANNOT DO SO WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE INDIRECT COSTS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO OPERATE THE GOLF COURSE. I DO WORRY AND I WANT TO DO I VERY MUCH DO WANT TO STRESS THIS POINT. THE GOLF COURSE IS FUND WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH IT. THIS, THIS 
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FUND IS BEYOND LEAN AND WE'RE DISCUSSING THE GENERAL FUND, WHICH I WOULD ARGUE THAT GIVEN THE CUTS THAT WE ARE MAKING, IS LEAN ITSELF. HOWEVER, THE GOLF COURSES FUND EVEN MORE SO TO THE POINT THAT IF YOU WERE TO EXPERIENCE SOMETHING NEGATIVE IN THE SENSE OF HIGHER FUEL COSTS FOR MOWING EQUIPMENT OR HIGHER FERTILIZER COSTS DUE TO SOME SORT OF SUPPLY CHAIN DISRUPTION, YOU HAVE A LOT LESS CUSHION IN THAT FUND TO BE ABLE TO ABSORB THAT SORT OF SHOCK THAT YEAR. SO IT MAY NOT BE IN YOUR ORIGINAL BUDGET, BUT THERE MAY BE A NEED LATER ON THIS YEAR, DEPENDING ON THAT TYPE OF PERFORMANCE TO, POTENTIALLY HAVE TO USE SOME GENERAL FUND RESOURCES TO KEEP THEM WHOLE. AND THAT LAST LINE WE TOUCHED ON IT WITH THE SAFER GRANT TRANSFERS TO CIP ALSO INCLUDED IN THERE, WHY THOSE NUMBERS AREN'T 1 TO 1. THERE WAS SOME GRANT MATCHING PROJECTS THAT WERE INCLUDED IN LAST YEAR'S TRANSFERS FOR CIP. SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY IT'S 1,000,055 AS OPPOSED TO 650,000. SO AGAIN, YOUR OVERALL GENERAL FUND FUND BALANCE IS INCREASING FROM ABOUT 115 MILLION TO 117 MILLION. THAT ROUGHLY $2 MILLION, $2 MILLION INCREASE. BUT AGAIN, I CANNOT STRESS ENOUGH, THE PRESSURE THAT WE ARE SEEING FROM EMPLOYEE COMPENSATION IS FAR OUTGROWING OUR ABILITY TO GENERATE NEW, NEW REVENUES. LOOKING AT THIS FROM A DEPARTMENTAL STANDPOINT AND TO FURTHER PUT HOME THE POINT ABOUT EMPLOYEE COMPENSATION, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DEPARTMENTS THERE, TOP TO BOTTOM, POLICE AND FIRE HAVE THE GREATEST SHARE OF INCREASE FROM A DOLLAR FIGURE AMOUNT 3 MILLION 303,038,000. ADDITIONAL FIRE OVER LAST YEAR'S BUDGET. POLICE 2,200,000. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THERE, OTHER THAN THOSE TWO DEPARTMENTS, STREETS MANAGEMENT INCREASED A BIT. 
          THAT'S OBVIOUSLY DUE TO SOME OF THE PETROCHEMICAL COST INCREASES THAT THEY USE A LOT OF FUEL, A LOT OF THE ASPHALT TYPE MATERIAL THAT THEY USE TO DO PATCHES AND THE WORK INVOLVED IN WHAT THEY DO. CITY, CITY COUNCIL HAS AN INCREASE THERE AS WELL BASED OFF OF THE ADDITIONAL COMPENSATION THAT WAS VOTED UPON LAST YEAR. AND THE CITY CLERK'S BUDGET, IT'S KIND OF A MISNOMER THERE OF BEING AN INCREASE, BUT IN REALITY, THEY HAVE ELECTION EXPENSES WHICH HAPPEN ONCE EVERY TWO YEARS. THIS IS ONE OF THE YEARS THEY'RE ON. SO REALLY IN REALITY, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A DECREASE OTHERWISE. WHEN YOU LOOK AT YOUR OTHER DEPARTMENTS BEYOND THAT POINT, YOU CAN SEE THAT EACH DEPARTMENT TOOK SOME LEVEL OF HAIRCUT OR REDUCTION FROM THEIR 2026 ADOPTED LEVEL. THIS IS ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT WAS SUBMITTED TO FINANCE FOR CONSIDERATION FOR EITHER NEW SERVICES, NEW REQUESTS, REPLACEMENTS AND THE LIKE THAT AREN'T CONTEMPLATED BY SOME SORT OF REPLACEMENT SCHEDULE AND FUNDED BY A DIFFERENT SOURCE OF FUNDING. SO AS YOU CAN SEE THERE, WE TOOK SOME SOME RATHER DEEP CUTS IN SOME OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS AND PERCENTAGE BASED WISE, PRETTY, PRETTY DEEP CUTS AS WELL. SO AGAIN, EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE GOING FROM THAT 115 TO 117 FOR AN OVERALL INCREASE OF 1.79%, THE CONTINUED ADDITIONAL PRESSURES FROM BOTH YOUR PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENTS IS OUTPACING YOUR ABILITY TO REALLY CONTINUE TO MEET THAT WITHOUT HARMING THE LEVEL OF SERVICE PROVIDED FROM ANY OF THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS LISTED THERE. OF THE NOTABLE CUTS, JUST TO REITERATE WHAT WE JUST SPOKE ABOUT, JUST IN CASE IT'S A LITTLE BIT CLEARER TO LOOK AT IT FROM A JUST WORDS POINT OF VIEW. WE'RE RECOMMENDING THE ELIMINATION OF 17 POSITIONS ACROSS THE CITY. 
          THE COMMUNITY AFFAIRS LIAISON, WHICH IS IN YOUR CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, THE HR RECRUITER WITHIN HUMAN RESOURCES, WE HAVE SEEN AN IMPROVEMENT ON SOME OF OUR VACANCIES. AND THE HOPE IS THAT THERE IS LESS NEED FOR THIS POSITION, BUT WE HAVE BEEN VERY FORTUNATE. THE STAFF IS MORE THAN CAPABLE OF HAVING CONTINUED TO PERFORM THE SERVICES OF THAT POSITION, AS WELL AS THE GENTLEMAN WHO HAD PROMOTED INTO THAT, HIGHER, HIGHER ROLE. SO WE'RE HAPPY TO MAKE THAT COMBINATION THERE. AN ACCOUNTANT WITHIN MY OFFICE IS BEING RECOMMENDED FOR ELIMINATION. THE DEVELOPMENT AND MARKETING ADMINISTRATOR, IS BEING RECOMMENDED FOR ELIMINATION, THE ELIMINATION OF TWO POLICE SERGEANT POSITIONS. THESE ARE TWO VACANCIES THAT HAVE NEVER BEEN FILLED SINCE THEY WERE ADDED TO THE BUDGET APPROXIMATELY 4 OR 5 YEARS AGO. 
          THIS WAS INTENDED TO KIND OF ROUND OUT YOUR CRT TEAM, COMMUNITY RESPONSE TEAM, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. I'M SURE STEVE CAN PROBABLY DOUBLE CHECK THAT ACRONYM FOR ME IF I'VE SAID IT WRONG. THE ELIMINATION OF FIVE COMS OFFICERS, THE ELIMINATION OF AN ENGINEERING PROJECT MANAGER, AND THE ELIMINATION OF FIVE EQUIPMENT OPERATORS. ALTHOUGH WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH THAT DEPARTMENT TO SEE IF THERE MAY BE SOME BETTER POSITIONS WITHIN THERE THAT MAY BE ELIMINATED, THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY AN EQUIPMENT OPERATOR, BUT ONE FOR ONE. SO AGAIN, THESE ARE THESE ARE ALL CURRENTLY VACANT POSITIONS. WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS, ANY FURTHER ADDITIONS, FURTHER CUTS INTO THESE VACANT POSITIONS ARE GETTING CLOSER AND CLOSER TO CUTTING ACTUAL PEOPLE. AND, AND BEYOND THIS POINT, IF WE WERE TO LIVE WITHIN OUR ROLLED BACK BUDGET AS PRESENTED, IF COUNCIL WISHES TO INCREASE OR DECREASE OR SWAP THINGS OUT FROM WHAT WE HAVE RECOMMENDED, WE ARE REALLY TALKING ABOUT THE LIKELIHOOD OF ADDITIONAL POSITION ELIMINATION AS THE MECHANISM TO DO SO. LOOKING AT TRAINING EDUCATION, AGAIN, WE'VE, WE'VE REDUCED THAT IN EACH DEPARTMENT, INCLUDING POLICE AND FIRE FOR THE PURPOSES OF COVERING THEIR CONTRACTUAL AMOUNTS AS WELL AS THEIR CONTINUING EDUCATION REQUIREMENTS. OUR GENERAL FUND OPERATING CONTINGENCY. SO AGAIN, WE'RE ENTERING THE YEAR WITH NO GENERAL FUND OPERATING CONTINGENCY. SO IN THE EVENT THE DEPARTMENT HAS A NEGATIVE 
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VARIANCE, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WORK WITHIN THEIR OWN BUDGET. OR HOPEFULLY WE WILL HAVE SOMETHING WE CAN IDENTIFY ON A FUTURE QUARTERLY AMENDMENT THAT WE CAN THEN MAKE THAT THAT DEPARTMENT WHOLE. WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT ELIMINATING THE GENERAL FUND SUBSIDY OF THE GOLF COURSE FUND, AS WELL AS THE PERMANENT DEFERMENT OF FIRE STATION 73. THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN THE STATION AFTER 72 WAS BUILT, 72 IS CASH FUNDED. THIS, THIS STATION WAS GOING TO BE A DEBT FUNDED STATION. SO UNTIL WE HAVE SOME CLARITY ON BOTH THE NOVEMBER BALLOT AS WELL AS SOME OF THE OTHER POTENTIAL IMPACTS TO OUR BUDGET MOVING FORWARD, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE PRIORITIZING WHAT WE HAVE AND NOT, NOT NEW, NEW ITEMS, LOOKING AT THE ELIMINATION OF THE LOBBYIST, IN ADDITION TO THE EDC AND CHAMBER OF COMMERCE DUES, AS WELL AS THE EGAD MAIN STREET CONTRACT. AND THEN THE LAST ONE THERE IS THE ELIMINATION OF SUMMER CAMPS AND PARK AND REC PARKS AND RECREATION, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE SPECIAL EVENTS THAT ARE PERFORMED THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, LIKE TOUCH A TRUCK, DADDY DAUGHTER DANCE AND THE LIKE. SO AGAIN, THESE ARE YOUR NOTABLE CUTS IN YOUR GENERAL FUND. MOVING AHEAD AND I CANNOT STRESS THIS ENOUGH. YOU KNOW, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT PROPERTY TAXES, PARTICULARLY IN THE LIGHT OF WHAT'S ON THE BALLOT IN NOVEMBER, OUR CONCERN IS ALWAYS THAT PROPERTY TAXES ARE MEANT TO COVER PUBLIC SAFETY COSTS. THAT IS GENERALLY BEEN THE ADAGE SINCE I THINK TIME IMMEMORIAL. WHEN WE LOOKED AT 2026 BUDGET, AD VALOREM TAXES, ONLY COVER DIDN'T COVER YOUR PUBLIC SAFETY OPERATING COSTS. SO THIS IS NOT YOUR FIRE ENGINES. THIS IS NOT YOUR POLICE VEHICLES. THIS IS TRULY JUST THE PERSONAL WAGES AND EVERYTHING IT TAKES TO OPERATE THE DEPARTMENT DAY IN AND DAY OUT, NON-CAPITAL TYPE PURCHASES. IN 2026, IT WAS AT 125% OF AD VALOREM. THIS YEAR, IT JUMPS UP TO 133.95% OF AD VALOREM. THIS IS VERY MUCH RELATED TO THE COMPENSATION THAT HAS BEEN AWARDED ON PREVIOUS CONTRACTS. AND IT'S WORTH NOTING THAT WHEN WE GET TO SOME OF WHAT THE STATE IS RECOMMENDING IN TERMS OF WHAT IS FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE, WE'VE, WE'VE ALL LISTENED TO THE STATE OF FLORIDA'S DOGE EFFORT. WE'VE LISTENED TO THE STATE OF FLORIDA'S EFFORT, THE FINANCIAL, I CAN'T EVEN REMEMBER THE FINANCIAL OVERSIGHT AUDIT EFFORTS FROM THE CFO'S OFFICE. THEY HIGHLIGHT THAT BUDGETARY GROWTH SHOULD BE APPROXIMATELY EQUAL TO YOUR CPI AND YOUR POPULATION GROWTH. OUR CPI CURRENTLY IS AT 3.5%. POPULATION GROWTH IS CURRENTLY AT 0.66%. SO RATHER RATHER TEPID. SO IN ESSENCE THEY WOULD RECOMMEND GROWTH OF ONLY 4.16%. WE'VE WE'VE GREATLY DONE THAT BEYOND IN OUR PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENTS AS WELL AS IN SOME OTHER AREAS AS WELL. BUT MOVING FORWARD, IF THAT IS THE PREFERRED, PREFERRED MECHANISM FOR FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY, IT BECOMES INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT TO CONTINUE TO COMPETE WITH OUR PEERS. GOING BACK TO EMPLOYEE COMPENSATION A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, RIGHT NOW, WE'RE IN ONGOING NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE PBA, REPRESENTING THE 168 SWORN POSITIONS THAT ARE CURRENTLY FILLED. RIGHT NOW, WHAT WAS ON THE TABLE FROM THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE WAS A 6% COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT OR A 3% COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT WITH A 3% STEP FOR LONGEVITY. IN THAT INSTANCE, YOU CAN SEE THE, THE IMPACT ON OFFICER STARTING PAY. CURRENTLY ONLY THE COUNTY HAS A HIGHER STARTING PAY THAN THE CITY OF MELBOURNE. EVEN IN THE INSTANCE OF IF WE WERE TO DO THE 3% COLA IN LIEU OF A 6% COLA, WE STILL REMAIN ABOVE OUR PEERS IN THE CITY'S, YOU SEE, ROCKLEDGE AND TITUSVILLE ARE TBD. WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEIR EXACT NUMBER IS YET, AS THEY DO WAGE REOPENER EACH YEAR. SO AGAIN, WE'RE STILL WELL AHEAD OF OUR PEERS. THE COUNTY HAS MORE RESOURCES THAN WE DO TO, TO DRAW ON. THEY HAVE ADDITIONAL NEW DEVELOPMENT. AND IN PLACES LIKE VIERA, WE DO NOT. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE VERY LIMITED ON WHAT WE CAN DO. AND WE HAVE VERY MUCH BEEN PUNCHING ABOVE OUR WEIGHT FOR THE PAST FEW YEARS, HEAVILY RELIANT ON TAX INCREASES TO DO SO. YOUR IAFF COVERING 142 FIREFIGHTER POSITIONS, WE'RE ENTERING THE FINAL YEAR OF THEIR THREE YEAR CONTRACT. THIS IS ABOUT A ALMOST $2 MILLION HIT TO YOUR GENERAL FUND, INCLUSIVE OF A 9% COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT, AS WELL AS AN INCREASE FROM THEIR SOLO MEDIC STIPEND PAY FROM $10,000 TO $12,000 A YEAR. AGAIN, WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR PEERS, WE ARE WELL AHEAD OF OUR PACK. ALTHOUGH IT'S WORTH NOTING THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENCES IN HOURS WORKED ACROSS THE DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS DUE TO THE PRESENCE OF EITHER KELLY DAYS OR AN ALTERNATIVE SCHEDULE THAT WE DO NOT OPERATE ON. SO THERE IS SOME DIFFERENCES THERE DUE TO HOURS WORKED. BUT GENERALLY YOU'RE GOING TO SEE US INCREASE THERE FROM 52 TO 964 FOR A BASE FIREFIGHTER STARTING PAY, NO STIPENDS, NO SOLO MEDICS, NO ANYTHING UP TO 57, SEVEN, 31, 66. JUMPING INTO NONUNION COMPENSATION. THIS IS COVERING YOUR OTHER 622 FULL TIME EQUIVALENT POSITIONS, OF WHICH I BELIEVE ABOUT 450 ARE IN THE GENERAL FUND. YOU CAN SEE HERE BY COMPARISON TO OUR PEERS, BOTH BREVARD COUNTY AND SATELLITE BEACH ARE ALSO RECOMMENDING A 3% COLA AS WE HAVE. IT'S WORTH NOTING THIS DOES TRAIL CPI. SO IN SOME INSTANCES, SOME MAY VIEW THAT AS A EFFECTIVELY A CUT RATHER THAN AN INCREASE. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE OUR PEERS, THERE HAVE BEEN ROUGHLY AROUND THAT 4% MARK. AND THEN THERE'S A 
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HANDFUL THAT HAVE BEEN DOING SOME RATHER OUTSIZED INCREASES THAT WHILE I'M NOT SPECIFIC TO THEIR, YOU KNOW, SPECIFIC FINANCES AND THE INNER WORKINGS OF THEIR ORGANIZATIONS, WE'RE QUITE SHOCKING TO SEE BY, BY COMPARISON. SO, THE 10% IN ROCKLEDGE COCOA, 7% IN PALM BAY, 5% GRANT-VALKARIA 5% WERE VERY INTERESTING TO SEE, GIVEN SOME OF THE FEEDBACK FROM THE STATE ON EXCESSIVE SPENDING. YOUR MILLAGE RATE COMPARISON, THIS IS BASED OFF OF WHAT WE KNOW AT THIS POINT FROM YOUR NEIGHBORING COMMUNITY COMMUNITIES. OUR CURRENT MILLAGE RATE THERE IN THE GREEN THIRD FROM THE BOTTOM 7.0112, THIS YEAR TO GENERATE THE SAME AMOUNT OF REVENUE ABSENT THE NEW DEVELOPMENT COSTS, YOUR ROLLED BACK RATE, THAT IS 6.8781, WHICH IS THE RATE THAT WE'VE PROPOSED TO DO AND IS THE BUDGET THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU BALANCE THAT THE ROLLBACK RATE. SO AS YOU CAN SEE ON THAT FAR RIGHT COLUMN OF INCREASE WE'RE RECOMMENDING ROLLBACK. SO THERE IS NO TAX INCREASE IN THIS BUDGET. PALM BAY AND GRANT-VALKARIA ARE ALSO RECOMMENDING THAT SAME ROUTE. ALTHOUGH I KNOW THERE HAD BEEN SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH PALM BAY ABOUT GOING A LITTLE BIT DEEPER. BUT I CAN'T SPEAK FOR WHAT THEIR ACTIONS WILL BE. THIS IS WHAT THEY WILL BE PUTTING ON THEIR TRIM. NOTICE. WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOME OF OUR OTHER PEERS, THERE'S SOME RATHER CONSIDERABLE INCREASES THERE AT THE TOP AND THEN SOME OTHER INCREASES THAT APPEAR TO BE AROUND CURRENT OR ABOVE CURRENT IN MOST INSTANCES. SO, AGAIN, THIS IS HOW YOU STACK UP AGAINST YOUR PEERS. WE APPROACH THIS IN A VERY FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE WAY, LIVING WITHIN OUR MEANS AND TRYING TO RESPOND TO THAT, THAT, LEVEL OF SENTIMENT THAT HAS DRIVEN US TO THE POINT OF HAVING THAT NOVEMBER BALLOT LANGUAGE, OUT THERE FOR THE CITIZENS TO CONSIDER. WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FROM A SINGLE FAMILY HOME PERSPECTIVE? AGAIN. GRANT-VALKARIA. MELBOURNE AND PALM BAY HAVING GONE WITH THE ROLLBACK FOR TRIM PURPOSES, ALTHOUGH WE HAVE NOT YET VOTED ON OURS TECHNICALLY. SO THIS IS JUST WHAT THE BUDGET IS BUILT ON FOR. THE PROPOSED, SHOWS 0% TAX OR $0 INCREASED. YOU CAN SEE SOME OF OUR PEERS THERE AND THE DOLLAR FIGURES BASED OFF OF THEIR MEDIAN TAXABLE VALUE. GENERALLY SPEAKING, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE A, A STANDARD SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, YOUR TAXABLE VALUE SHOULD BE ROUGHLY AROUND 143,000 179. OBVIOUSLY, THAT'S VERY CONTEXT BASED. SO IF YOU'VE RECENTLY BOUGHT A HOUSE AND ITS VALUE QUITE HIGH, IT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT STORY. BUT FROM A MEDIAN TAXABLE VALUE FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOME, WE'RE AT 143179, NOTABLY BELOW THE FIRST YEAR, EXEMPTION ON THE PROPOSED BALLOT FOR FISCAL YEAR 28 OF $150,000. SO AGAIN, THE MEDIAN VALUE, MEANING THAT AT LEAST HALF THOSE PROPERTIES BELOW IT WOULD BE NO LONGER PAYING TAXES IF, IF HOMESTEAD EXEMPTIONS INCREASE TO 150. SO AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ROUGHLY A $984 IMPACT PER RESIDENT PER YEAR, AND THAT WILL REMAIN AT THAT. 984 80, IN THAT INSTANCE, IF WE CONTINUE WITH ROLLBACK AS PRESENTED. TO GIVE YOU PERSPECTIVE ON WHAT WE'VE DONE HISTORICALLY, WHEN WE LOOK AT PROPERTY TAXES IN THE WATER SEWER RATES, THESE ARE THE TWO, TWO AREAS THAT YOU REALLY HAVE THE MOST CONTROL OVER. AND EVEN THEN THE STATE DOES LIMIT WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO AND HOW WE GO ABOUT DOING IT. LOOKING IN THE PAST FROM THE 2021 TIME FRAME OR 2022 TIME FRAME THROUGH 2025, WE WERE OPERATING AROUND CURRENT OR SLIGHTLY ABOVE CURRENT RATES TO TRY AND DEAL WITH SOME OF THOSE INFLATIONARY PRESSURES, AS WELL AS SOME OF THOSE EMPLOYEE COMPENSATION MEASURES, AS SOME NEIGHBORING JURISDICTIONS WERE GIVING OUT CONTRACTS AND WE WERE TRYING TO REMAIN COMPETITIVE. WHEN WE GET TO 2026, THIS IS THE ESTABLISHMENT OF YOUR FUND AND YOUR PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PROGRAM. SO THOSE TAXES ARE LOCKED AWAY IN A FUND FOR THE PURPOSES OF THOSE PROGRAMS. SO WE DO NOT SELL THOSE OFF FOR THE PURPOSES OF AFFORDING OPERATING INCREASES. SO THIS IS RIGHT SIZING YOUR ORGANIZATION FOR THE LONG TERM STRUCTURAL HEALTH OF THE CITY. AND THEN AGAIN, WHAT WE HAVE PROPOSED HERE FOR FISCAL YEAR 2027 IS A 0% ROLLBACK TAX. WATER SEWER SIDE. YOU CAN SEE THAT WE DID GO FOR QUITE SOME TIME WITHOUT ANY INCREASES BETWEEN 2023. AND I BELIEVE A LITTLE OVER A DECADE PAST. WHEN WE GO BACK TO 2024, THIS WAS WHEN WE HAD THE KIND OF RIGHT SIZE OUR RATES, WHEN IT BECAME APPARENT THAT DOING THAT WAS, WAS RATHER, UNFORTUNATE WHEN IN HINDSIGHT, GIVEN THE PRESSURES BOTH INFLATIONARY FOR THE, FOR THE SYSTEM AS WELL AS ITS INPUTS, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE CAPITAL PROJECTS AND NEEDS THAT WE HAVE TO COMPETE WITH FEDERAL, STATE AND FEDERAL, STATE MANDATES AND REGULATIONS. AND AGAIN, THE 8% AND THE SUBSEQUENT 8.39% ARE PART OF YOUR 5% OR YOUR FIVE YEAR RATE INCREASE THAT YOU GUYS HAVE ADOPTED THAT WILL END IN THE 2023 TIME OR 2030 TIME FRAME. FORGIVE ME. SO THIS IS YOUR CITY WIDE BUDGET. I KNOW WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME LOOKING AT THE GENERAL FUND ITSELF. SO AGAIN, THE GENERAL FUND IS INCREASING FROM 115,835,255 TO 117,903,800, $184 FOR AN OVERALL INCREASE PERCENTAGE OF 
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1.79%. EXPANDING THAT OUT TO THE CITY WIDE BUDGET. YOU CAN SEE AT THE BOTTOM THERE, WE'RE INCREASING FROM, 274,000,520 $254 TO $369,368,494, FOR ROUGHLY A $94,848,240 INCREASE. 
          SO THE 34.55%, THIS IS A BIT MISLEADING IN THE SENSE THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT YOUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS LINES JUST ABOVE THAT FINAL TALLY, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE INCREASE THERE WAS 94,000,006 84470. SO ONLY ABOUT 200,000 WHEN YOU, YOU KNOW, BACK OUT THE BOND FUNDED SEWER PROJECTS THAT ARE IN WATER AND SEWER PROJECTS THAT ARE IN YOUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS FUNDS. I GOT A QUESTION. YES, SIR. OKAY. SORRY. YOUR RAPID FIRE AND I APPRECIATE IT. NO PROBLEM. 
          MAYOR. YEAH. THANK YOU. SO THE ENTERPRISE FUND, THAT'S WHAT JUMPS IN FRONT OF ME IS THAT WE ARE ENTERPRISE FUNDS ARE 1.89% LOWER AND 15%, APPROXIMATELY 15% LOWER AS WELL, TOO. YES. 
          ISN'T THESE NUMBERS BASED ON WHAT WE CHARGE FOR THE, FOR THE, FOR THE WATER AND SEWER? AND WHY ARE WE BELOW? SO IF YOU'RE GOING FROM THE 78,900,050 OF LAST YEAR'S BUDGET, WHEN WE GO INTO FISCAL YEAR 2027, THE EXPECTATION IS THAT THE CITY OF WEST MELBOURNE WILL BE DEPARTING THE SYSTEM BY DECEMBER 31ST. PER THEIR CONTRACT, THEY EXERCISED THE RIGHT TO SERVICE THEIR OWN COMMUNITY, AS WELL AS ENDS THE EXISTING CONTRACTUAL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY OF MELBOURNE FOR BULK WATER PURCHASE. THAT DID REPRESENT A SEVERAL MILLION DOLLAR HIT. I BELIEVE THEY WERE IN THE BALLPARK OF BETWEEN 4 AND $5 MILLION ANNUALLY IN REVENUE FOR THE, FOR THE SYSTEM. WHEN YOU CONSIDER THAT WE ARE DOING A RATE INCREASE OF THAT 8.39% GOING INTO THIS YEAR, THAT'S ENOUGH TO INCREASE, RATES ON THE REMAINING PAYERS, BUT NOT ENOUGH TO COMPLETELY OVERCOME THAT LOSS IN REVENUE FROM THAT CONTRACT. HAVEN'T WE HAD CONVERSATION WITH THEM THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DELAY THEIR, COMING ONLINE? I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT PERSONALLY. BUT I'M JUST HAVING TO OPERATE WITH THE ASSUMPTION THAT THEY WILL MEET THEIR CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS. WE GOT TO GO BY WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE SAYING AND WHAT WE'RE DOING AND SO ON. OKAY. SO ENTERPRISE FUNDS SHOULD TAKE CARE OF ENTERPRISE FUNDS IS BASICALLY WHAT I'M SAYING, CORRECT? THERE SHOULD BE NO PLUS OR MINUS. IT SHOULD BE EVEN RIGHT ACROSS THE BOARD. AND ANY, ANY PLUSES, IF YOU DO HAVE THEM, JUST LIKE WITHIN YOUR, YOUR GOVERNMENTAL FUNDS, IT'S USUALLY USED TO DEFER ANY LEVEL OF DEBT FOR FUTURE CAPITAL NEEDS AS WELL. OKAY. IT GETS REINVESTED BACK INTO THE SYSTEM, SAME AS ANY ADDITIONAL DOLLAR IN THE GENERAL FUND GETS REINVESTED BACK INTO GENERAL FUND ASSETS. THANK YOU ROSS. APPRECIATE IT. OKAY, HOLD ON, MISS HANLEY. GO AHEAD. OKAY. ON THE STORMWATER. WHY ARE WE HAVING YOUNG MEN THERE? WHY IS THE DECREASE? I DIDN'T KNOW, I DIDN'T WHEN WE HAD ONE ON ONE. I'M SORRY I DIDN'T DISCUSS THAT ON THE STORMWATER, THE 3,000,775. LAST YEAR. WE RECOMMENDED THE USE OF FUND BALANCE TO FUND SOME ONE TIME CAPITAL PROJECTS. THIS YEAR, THE BUDGET'S PRESENTED TO YOU ON JUST AN OPERATING BUDGET, STANDARD. SO WE'RE NOT PULLING FROM FUND BALANCE THIS YEAR TO DO ANY CAPITAL. SO YOU'RE ACTUALLY SEEING THAT DECREASE AS A RESULT OF NOT USING THOSE ONE TIME, RESERVES FOR THAT PURPOSE. GOT IT. I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW I GOT A TON OF NOTES. SO WE'RE COMING BACK AGAIN. ABSOLUTELY, SIR. OKAY. ACTUALLY, HOLD ON ONE SECOND. MR. SMITH OR MR. NEWMAN? DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS SO FAR? MAY I MAY I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS SO FAR. OKAY. THANK. 
          I ASSUME MR. NEWMAN DOESN'T HAVE EITHER. SO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL CONTINUE ON. ALL RIGHT. I DO WANT TO MAKE THIS, THIS POINT THAT WE ARE AT THE END OF ITEM NUMBER THREE. SO IN THE EVENT THAT YOU DO HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS OR IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION TO BE HAD, JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE BEFORE WE JUMP INTO THE TENTATIVE MILLAGE RATE, THAT THERE'S THE OPPORTUNITY FOR BOTH THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK AND ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. OKAY. JUST TO REITERATE WHAT, WHAT ROSS HAS SAID HERE IS IT WOULD BE A PERFECT TIME TO BRING IN PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT ALSO AS, AS YOU SAID, YOU HAVE A TON OF NOTES. THIS IS THE TIME TO TALK ABOUT THE ACTUAL BUDGET. THE NEXT PHASE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MILLAGE RATE. AND SO SOMETIMES THEY BLUR AND WE MAY CARRY OVER INTO THAT ONE. BUT I THINK WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT THE INDIVIDUAL. YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE BUDGET AT THIS POINT. I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          OKAY. WE'LL GO AHEAD. AND THEN WE DO HAVE ONE SPEAKER, AND, CONROY BADER WITH THE CHAMBER. 
          GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK THIS EVENING. I JUST SAW THOSE NUMBERS, AND I UNDERSTAND THE MAJOR DECISIONS YOU'RE MAKING. WHAT I WOULD SAY ON BEHALF OF 
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THE SPACE COAST CHAMBER IS THAT, IT'S A SMALL NUMBER IN COMPARISON TO OTHERS. AND I BELIEVE THAT THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT IS SIGNIFICANT. WE HAVE DONE, I THINK, A GREAT JOB IN STRENGTHENING OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY THIS YEAR, BRINGING ON, NOT ONLY, BRINGING BACK OUR BOARD, OUR ELECTED BOARD MEMBER, DAVE NEWMAN, BUT ALSO HAVING A STAFF BOARD MEMBER. AND THEY HAVE BEEN ATTENDING REGULARLY AND HAVING REGULAR PRESENCE AND IMPACT WITHIN THE CHAMBER. ROBERT IS ALSO, AS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR THE CITY IS ATTENDING OUR NEW COUNCIL TECHNOLOGY, AEROSPACE AVIATION DEFENSE, WHERE HE IS ACTIVELY CONNECTING WITH NEW BUSINESSES, STARTUPS AND OTHER COMPANIES. CAN CONSIDERING RELOCATING TO THE SPACE COAST. AND WE GET TO ADVOCATE FOR THE CITY OF MELBOURNE SO THAT WE CAN INCREASE ON THE REVENUE SIDE AND FURTHER OUR INVESTMENTS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. SO I NORMALLY WOULD SAY YOU'VE BEEN PART OF THE CHAMBER FOR 31 YEARS AND NINE MONTHS, BUT I THINK ACTUALLY LOOKING BACKWARDS IS THE WRONG THING TO DO. I THINK WORKING FORWARDS IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO IN TERMS OF THAT RETURN ON INVESTMENT AND THE HELP, THE FACT THAT WE CAN FURTHER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT EFFORTS FOR THE CITY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. 
          ANNA MARIN. THEY'RE GOOD TO SEE EVERYONE. I WANT TO SECOND THAT WITH. I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ALL ARE DISCUSSING SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGES AND IT'S HAPPENING ACROSS THE STATE. BUT I DO FIND MYSELF HERE TO, JUST CALL ATTENTION TO O'GALLEY AND EGADS IMPACT OVER THE PAST 5 TO 10 YEARS AND UNDERSTAND THAT AND JUST SAY THAT THIS IS NOT THE TIME TO LOSE MOMENTUM. WITH THE ORGANIZATION, THE CITY HAS INVESTED A LOT ON INFRASTRUCTURE AND PLACEMAKING WITHIN EGAD, AND I THINK THAT THE ORGANIZATION HAS BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN, SORT OF ENSURING THAT THOSE FUNDS WERE SPENT EFFECTIVELY AND PLACEMAKING IN A VERY, VERY HISTORICAL AND UNIQUE MAIN STREET DISTRICT. AND SO WE DO BELIEVE THAT WE BRING A LOT TO THE TABLE IN TERMS OF, AND ESPECIALLY FOR OUR LOCAL MERCHANTS AND OUR LOCAL INVESTMENT IN OUR DISTRICT. SO I JUST WANTED TO, I GUESS, MAKE THE POINT THAT IT'S NOT THE TIME TO LOSE THE MOMENTUM IN THE ORGANIZATION, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE I AM HERE BECAUSE WE HAVE LOST OUR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR IN THE PAST FEW MONTHS. AND SO IN THIS TIME OF UNCERTAINTY, LOSING FUNDING WOULD BE A REALLY BIG HIT FOR US IN TERMS OF RECRUITMENT POTENTIAL, UNFORTUNATELY. AND SO BEING ABLE TO RECRUIT THE BEST CANDIDATES FOR OUR ORGANIZATION MOVING FORWARD, THIS IS A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY TO GET THE BEST CANDIDATE. SO THANK YOU. AND THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. THANKS. WE HAVE ANY OTHER PUBLIC SPEAKERS AT THIS POINT? OKAY. I'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING THEN. ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL. ANY QUESTIONS SO FAR? YOU SAID YOU HAD A LOT, RIGHT. WELL, I HAD A FEW, BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM MY OTHER COUNCIL AS WELL. I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I, WHEN I WENT THROUGH THE BUDGET, I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT IS IN THE BUDGET BOOK, BUT WE HAD $100,000 GOING TO THE HOMELESS. I'M GOING TO ASK THAT WE NOT HOMELESS. IS THAT THE TOWN OR. LET ME GO BACK TO EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS. I BELIEVE THIS IS THE PROGRAM THAT WE'VE PREVIOUSLY REFERRED TO AS STUDY TOWN. I'M PRETTY SURE IT'S THE SAME. I JUST WANT TO IDENTIFY, I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT NAME OF IT, BUT I'M ASKING THAT PUTTING IT FOR THE HOMELESS, SINCE WE'VE GIVEN QUITE A BIT IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, IS MOVE IT TO PARKS AND REC FOR THE SUMMER PROGRAM. IT'S 140 200 $0, I BELIEVE, HUNDRED AND 44 141. I'M GOING TO SAY 150 TO BE TO ROUND IT UP. SO WE'RE STILL GOING TO BE $50,000 SHORT. BUT IF WE CAN GO, IF WE CAN MOVE THAT OVER TO PARKS AND REC FOR THE SUMMER PROGRAM, AND THEN IF WE HAVE MONEY FROM FROM OTHER THINGS GOING ON THAT HAVE MAYBE NOT COST AS MUCH AS WE, WE PLANNED ON IT, THAT WE CAN MOVE IT OVER THERE AND KEEP THE SUMMER PROGRAM BECAUSE EVERYBODY SAYS THEY WANT TO KEEP, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO HELP THE CHILDREN, HELP THE CHILDREN. I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE NEED TO BE, IS TO HELP THE FAMILIES WORKING HERE, THE WORKING FAMILIES HERE IN MELBOURNE, SO THAT THE KIDS CAN HAVE ACTIVITIES FOR THE SUMMER. 
          AND IF THAT'S NOT GOOD, TO, TO ADD TO THAT, BECAUSE I, I AGREE, I THINK IT WAS THE 100, 100, 100, 000 TO PROVIDENCE PLACE OR. YES, I BELIEVE IT WAS. I THINK I CAN'T MAKE UP THE EXTRA 
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55,000. I THINK IF WE REVISIT OUR RAISES THAT WE VOTED ON IN THE PAST, THAT WOULD OPEN UP THE IF WE JUST STAYED WHERE WE WERE, BECAUSE EVERY DEPARTMENT IS TAKING HITS RIGHT NOW, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE ANY DIFFERENT. WE SHOULDN'T BE SPECIAL. IF WE REVISIT THAT, WE COULD SAVE THE $55,000 TO OPEN UP THE SUMMER CAMP PROGRAMS. SO YOU'RE ASKING. HOLD ON ONE SECOND, I APOLOGIZE. ANYTHING ELSE? GO AHEAD. MR. YOU'RE ASKING TO LEAD BY EXAMPLE. YES. 
          OKAY. ESSENTIALLY, YES. MY QUESTION. I HAD SOME OTHER IDEAS TOO. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT ME TO WAIT ON THAT OR JUST KEEP ON. WELL, NO, KEEP GOING. AND BEFORE YOU GO, REGARDING THE COUNCIL, I VOTED AGAINST IT. I'M HERE TO SERVE THE CITY AND, YOU KNOW, AND I, I, I JUST THINK AT THE END IT'S NOT THE TIME. SO I DEFINITELY SUPPORT YOU ON, YOU KNOW, THAT, THE RAISES, I THINK THEY NEED TO GO BACK, IN MY OPINION, TO WHAT THEY WERE THAT WOULD SAVE US ABOUT $50,000. 55. YEAH, ABOUT 50, 55,000. AND THEN PROBABLY A LITTLE MORE THAN THAT. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT MATCHING, SOME OF THE SOCIAL SECURITY, MEDICARE AND ALL THAT STUFF, I WOULD LOOK AT DOING THAT AND DEFINITELY, MISS HANLEY, JUST 100,000, A STUDY TOWN MOVED INTO PARKS AND REC. I DEFINITELY SUPPORT THAT. I THINK THAT'S, THAT WAS MY BIG THING. THERE IS LIKE, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FOR THE, FOR I MEAN, I WENT TO, A SUMMER CAMP WHEN MY PARENTS HAD TO DO DIFFERENT THINGS WHEN I WAS A CHILD AND WHERE I WAS, WHERE I WAS IN NEW YORK, IT WAS THE SCHOOL THAT PUT IT ON. IT WAS AT THE SCHOOLS THAT, THAT SPONSORED IT, NOT THE CITIES. I ASK A QUESTION. GO AHEAD. SURE. SO, HALF OF THE, THE FOLKS THAT PARTICIPATE IN THE, IN THE SUMMER CAMPS ARE NONRESIDENTS. THEY'RE FROM OUT OF TOWN. SO WOULD YOU BE AGREEABLE TO AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS SOUNDS GREAT OR NOT, YOU KNOW, BUT TO DIFFERENTIATE THE IF YOU'RE A NONRESIDENT THAT YOU'RE PAYING A PREMIUM VERSUS A NON PREMIUM. 
          WAIT A MINUTE. ADAMS. HOLD ON ONE SECOND. I HATE TO BE THE ONE TO BURST BUBBLES, BUT YOU DO. OUR AGREEMENT WITH BREVARD COUNTY REGARDING WICKHAM PARK COMMUNITY CENTER PROHIBITS US FROM CHARGING DIFFERENT RATES FOR NONRESIDENTS RESIDENTS. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EDDIE LEE, THOUGH. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'VE GOT TWO PLACES THAT HAVE SUMMER CAMPS, CORRECT? IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. YES. SO WE HAVE WICKHAM PARK, WHICH WE HAVE TO STAND BY OUR COMMITMENT TO THE TO THE COUNTY. YES. BUT THEN WE HAVE, EDDIE LEE TAYLOR. SO WOULD THAT BE ALLOWABLE TO ADD A PREMIUM TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT IN THE CITY TO ATTEND THAT CAMP, TO ATTEND THAT CAMP? I DON'T WANT TO GIVE A DEFINITIVE YES, BUT IT CERTAINLY ISN'T SUBJECT TO THE SAME RESTRICTIONS THAT OUR WICKHAM PARK COMMUNITY CENTER RELATIONSHIP IS. SO WE COULD LOOK WE COULD LOOK I WOULD ASK, WELL, YEAH, WE MOVE. LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION. SINCE WE WE'RE AT WICKHAM PARK, DO WE HAVE ANYWHERE ELSE THAT WE CAN HOLD IT IN THE CITY? DO WE HAVE A CHANGE IT FROM WICKHAM PARK TO ANOTHER COMMUNITY CENTER? YEAH. 
          WHICH ONE? MAYBE. YEAH. IN THE O'GALLEY, IT'S FEASIBLE. WICKHAM IS IS WAY UP THE ROAD AND O'GALLEY IS WAY DOWN THE ROAD. SO, I MEAN, HOW DO YOU FIGURE THAT OUT? IT'S NOT THAT IT'S NOT THAT MUCH DIFFERENCE. I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING LIKE 2 OR 3 MILES. LET LET'S LET'S GET THE, PARKS AND REC DIRECTOR AND LET'S ASK HER. I THINK INSTEAD OF US ASSUMING, I THINK WE CAN ASK HER, HERE SHE COMES. HELLO. HI. NIKKI CALDWELL, DIRECTOR OF PARKS, RECREATION AND GOLF. SO WE ALREADY DO CHARGE AN INCREASED RATE FOR EDDIE LEE TAYLOR. SUMMER CAMP FOR NONRESIDENTS. WHAT DO YOU DO? OKAY. YES. THAT WAS NOT IN OUR, CONVERSATION DURING THE BUDGET CONVERSATION. THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW. THANK YOU. AND THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE, IF WE WERE TO HOLD CAMP SOMEWHERE ELSE WHERE WE WOULDN'T BE RESTRICTED, LIKE AS WICKHAM IS, COULD BE AT EAU GALLIE CIVIC CENTER. THERE'S A GOOD IDEA. SO OBVIOUSLY WE'RE LOOKING FOR A WAY, A PATHWAY TO KEEP THE SUMMER CAMPS. WELL, WE HAVE TO PAY A PREMIUM. MY QUESTION I HAVE THEN DO WE KNOW BALLPARK AND NOT HOLDING YOU TO IT? WHAT THE COST ADDITIONAL COST THAT WOULD BE TO HOLD IT AT. WELL KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, HOW MANY HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU KNOW ARE THE NONRESIDENTS AND HOW MUCH WOULD IT GENERATE? I KNOW IT'S KIND OF HARD, ABOUT HALF AND HALF, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          DO WE KNOW RIGHT NOW AT WICKHAM COMMUNITY CENTER WE HAVE, 100 OR OF THE TOTAL 236 INDIVIDUAL CAMPERS. AND THAT'S JUST SOME OF THEM COME MULTIPLE WEEKS, BUT, 125 ARE RESIDENTS AND 111 
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ARE NONRESIDENTS. OKAY. SO WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT MAKING A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY BY CHARGING THE ADDITIONAL. CORRECT. NIKKI, HOW MUCH MORE DO WE CHARGE AT EDDIE LEE TAYLOR FOR RESIDENTS AND NONRESIDENTS? IT'S YEAH, IT'S NOT IT'S NOT VERY MUCH. BUT ALSO EDDIE LEE TAYLOR CAMP IS LESS COST THAN FOR THE RESIDENTS. HOW MUCH IS IT FOR LIKE A BUCK 25. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, SO RIGHT NOW EDDIE LEE TAYLOR, EDDIE, IT'S $85 A WEEK FOR RESIDENT AND 102 FOR NONRESIDENT. OKAY, OKAY. WE CAN RAISE THOSE RATES, OF COURSE. 
          YES, WE'VE GOT THAT. WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT? BECAUSE I KNOW WE TALKED IN WHEN WE DID OUR ONE ON ONE. WHAT TYPE OF RATES COULD WE DO IT WHERE PEOPLE WOULD BE ABLE TO. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENCE THERE. WHAT. YOU CAN'T TELL I MEAN WHAT SOMEBODY CAN SPEND AND WHAT THEY CAN'T. I MEAN, SO WE DON'T WE DON'T HAVE A WAITING LIST EITHER AT EDDIE LEE TAYLOR EVEN AT THAT RATE. BUT AT WICKHAM, WE HAVE AN AVERAGE OF 20 KIDS ON THE WAITING LIST EACH WEEK THAT WE DON'T HAVE ROOM FOR. IF WE MOVED IT OVER TO THE EAU GALLIE, WOULD WE HAVE MORE ROOM THERE? SAME. IT'S ABOUT THE SAME. YEAH. OKAY. AND WE'RE NOT SURE OF WHAT THE RATIO MIGHT BE OF RESIDENT TO NONRESIDENT. SURE. MAYOR, JUST TO PIGGYBACK ON THIS REAL QUICK, HOW MANY FAMILIES DOES IT SERVICE? DO WE KNOW THAT BREAKDOWN BETWEEN THE KIDS AND THE FAMILIES? I DON'T HAVE A BREAKDOWN IN FRONT OF ME. I DO KNOW THAT AT EDDIE LEE TAYLOR, THEY ONLY TAKE 46 KIDS A WEEK, AND THERE ARE A FEW THAT ARE BROTHER OR SISTER, YOU KNOW, SIBLINGS. AND THEY TAKE 130 AT WICKHAM EACH WEEK AND THERE'S LESS SIBLINGS ACTUALLY THERE. 
          YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S INTERESTING. OKAY. WELL, WE DON'T WANT TO SCREW ANYBODY. AND FOR WE, FOR SIBLINGS, WE ALSO HAVE A 20% DISCOUNT. DO WE KNOW WHAT BREVARD COUNTY CHARGES? I DON'T KNOW THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. NO, I DON'T MEAN TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT. YEAH, WE COMPARE IT EVERY YEAR WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF WE'RE GOING TO CHARGE MORE, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEY CHARGE THIS YEAR. WE ALSO GO ON MORE FIELD TRIPS THAN THEM. THAT'S ANOTHER THING. WE COULD ELIMINATE ONE FIELD TRIP TO SORT OF SAVE MONEY THERE. THE PARENTS PAY FOR THE FIELD TRIPS THOUGH. NO, IT'S ALL INCLUDED. HOW MANY? IT'S ON THE CAMP. 
          EVERY WEEK IS THE SAME. AND DEPENDING ON WHAT FIELD TRIP WE GO ON, IT'S JUST AN EXPENSE. 
          OKAY, OKAY. MAYBE THE FIELD TRIPS ARE WE DOING? WE DO TWO A WEEK AT, WICKHAM AND ONE AT EDDIE LEE TAYLOR. WHAT TYPE OF FIELD TRIPS ARE WE DOING? OH, THEY GO ALL OVER WATER. YEAH. 
          WATER PARKS, THE ZOO, ALL DIFFERENT THINGS. SO WE COULD ELIMINATE ONE AT WICKHAM. THAT WOULD SAVE PROBABLY ENOUGH MONEY THAT WE WOULD, THAT WE WOULD NEED. IN ADDITION TO CUTTING WHAT WE'RE PLUS THE OTHER MONEY THAT YOU MIGHT GIVE US THAT THAT WOULD SOLVE THAT ISSUE, I THINK. OKAY, I THINK WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE DIFFERENT IDEAS PUT PLUGGED INTO WHAT WE'RE PRESENTLY DOING FOR THE PAST 20 YEARS. JUST MY THOUGHT. SO THAT WOULD SAVE THE SUMMER PARKS. BUT I MEAN, OH, THEY'RE COMMISERATING, OKAY, WE'RE STAYING MORE LOCAL AS OPPOSED TO GOING OUT OF COUNTY. YEAH. BUT IT'S THE THING IS, THOUGH, THAT'S THE TIME WHEN YOU, YOU LEARN, YOU KNOW, YOU GO AND DO FIELD TRIPS. I REALLY DON'T. YEAH. I MEAN, WELL, I THINK WE LEAVE THAT ONE TO THE, YOU KNOW, BUT WE CAN LOOK AT IT AS MOVE THAT OVER THERE. OKAY. 
          MISS JENNY, WE HAVE HAND UP MISS LAMB. I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT OUR DEPUTY CITY MANAGER DID LOOK UP BREVARD COUNTY'S RATES. AND IT'S 45 TO $50 A DAY RATE, OR 25 TO $30 HALF DAY. SO THAT $50 A DAY, FIVE DAYS A WEEK, THAT'S LIKE $250. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY CUT A RATE FOR THAT. SO THAT'S SEEMS LIKE THEY DO TOO LITTLE. WE WE HAVE GONE UP EVEN SO WE COULD GO UP AGAIN. I MEAN ARE THEY ARE THEY HAVE YOU SEEN THIS BUDGET. YES I HAVE OKAY. 
          SO YOU'VE SEEN THIS BUDGET THAT EVERYTHING'S GOING UP, RIGHT? OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE. YEP. ALL RIGHT. LET'S STAY ON TRACK. SO BUT SO WE CAN, WILL WE LOOK AT MOVING FROM THE HOMELESS, GOING BACK TO PARKS, PUTTING THAT BACK IN PARKS REC. DO WE HAVE THE HOMELESS AND THE RAISES. WE HAVEN'T HAD RAISE IN 20 YEARS. I MEAN, I KNOW, BUT EVERYBODY'S TAKING CUTS. BUT WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT. ARE WE GET PAID MORE. WE'RE NOT GETTING PAID THAT MUCH MORE. WE HAVEN'T. 
          NO, BUT BUT IF WE CAN LEAVE IT THERE BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T EVEN HAD A 3% RAISE IN 20 YEARS, THE DOLLARS DON'T GO THE SAME. I FEEL LIKE THE SUMMER CAMPS AND KEEPING KIDS OFF. BUT WE MIGHT HAVE THE IMPORTANT. LET'S LOOK AT THESE OTHER THINGS. IF WE HAVE. LOOK IT UP. IF WE'RE 
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LOOKING AT WHAT IS. IT'S $250 A WEEK COMPARED TO $100 A WEEK. AND THAT'S JUST WHAT WE FOUND ON THEIR WEBSITE RIGHT NOW. SO I MEAN, BUT THAT THAT IS WHAT, WHAT THE WEBSITES SAYING WE DON'T HAVE TO BE DRACONIAN AND GOING IN THERE. WELL, WHAT WE'LL DO. HOLD ON. WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THE RAISES BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, I VOTED AGAINST IT LAST TIME. I TO ME, I'D RATHER GIVE IT UP ANYWAY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I, I PREFER IF I GOT A $900 BILL JUST FOR MEDICAL. I MEAN, I NEED THAT RAISE. WELL, I'M TELLING YOU. 
          WELL THEN YOU KNOW WHAT? IT'S ONLY PART TIME, A WAFFLE HOUSE, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I'M JUST SAYING WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO YOU KNOW, I, I JUST DON'T LIKE THE PERCEPTION THAT, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL'S TAKING, YOU KNOW, YEAH, WE DON'T REALLY MAKE ANY MONEY UP HERE, BUT THIS IS ALL WE WE VOLUNTEERED FOR THIS JOB. WE'RE THE ONES THAT PUT IN, WE'RE THE ONE THAT KNOCKED DOORS. WE'RE THE ONES THAT PUT OUT SIGNS AND WE TOOK THIS JOB. AND THE FACT IS THAT I'M STILL NOT COMFORTABLE WITH IT. I DON'T WANT THE RAISE. AND THE FACT IS, BEFORE YOU TELL A PARENT THAT THEY CAN'T HAVE SUMMER CAMP WITH THEIR KIDS SO COUNCIL CAN GET A RAISE, I DON'T LIKE IT. I'M JUST SAYING THAT WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT. WE'RE SAYING WE'RE MOVING. 
          WE'RE MOVING ONE MONEY FROM THE HOMELESS OVER TO THE SUMMER CAMP. BUT THAT'S NOT ENOUGH. NO. 
          ALL RIGHT. BUT IF WE LOOK AT IF WE LOOK AT THE RAISES PLUS OUR PENSIONS THAT COME WITH THAT RAISE, IT'S EXACTLY $55,000. HOLD ON ONE SECOND. I GOT A QUESTION FOR YOU, MR. CONNELLY. 
          REGARDING THE RAISES. IS IT IS IT A MOTION THAT YOU THINK WE'D NEED FOR THAT OR, COME TO A VOTE? YEAH, THAT WAS THAT WAS SUBJECT TO A MOTION AND A VOTE, A PREVIOUS A PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEETING. SO. OKAY. DID YOU WANT TO MAKE THAT MOTION? I MAKE A MOTION TO ELIMINATE OUR RAISES AND I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION THEN. WELL, AGAIN, RIGHT. THIS WHAT WE'RE DOING IS, IS GIVING DIRECTION TO MODIFY THIS PROPOSAL. WE DON'T HAVE IT SOUNDS LIKE WE DEFINITELY DON'T HAVE CONSENSUS. POSSIBLY. AND I CAN'T TELL BECAUSE WE'RE WE GOT TWO PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE, BUT NOT HERE. I'D LIKE TO HAVE AT LEAST HAVE SOME KIND OF CONSENSUS. SO WOULD IT BE, I MEAN, GETTING DIRECTION FROM YOU, SIR, TO MAKE, TO MAKE SURE WE WE HAVE CLEAR DIRECTION ON HOW TO POTENTIALLY MODIFY THIS, THEN IN YOUR OPINION, DO WE GO JUST FOR CONSENSUS OR DO WE GO FOR A MOTION. EITHER IS FINE BUT BUT A MOTION IS ALWAYS GOING TO GIVE FAR MORE CLARITY ON ON WHERE PEOPLE ACTUALLY STAND. I THINK A MOTION IS IF WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR, I BELIEVE I VOTED NO AS WELL. YEAH, I BELIEVE YOU AND I WILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT. BUT WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND AND WOULD YOU REMIND ME OF THE MOTION, PLEASE. I HAD A MOMENT. 
          HOLD ON, HOLD ON, HOLD ON. THE MOTION. THE MOTION. MOTION. AND SECOND WAS TO RESCIND THE RAISES FOR COUNCIL. I AGREE. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THAT. HOLD ON, MR. SMITH. YOU HAD SOMETHING. YES. I THINK THE MOTION HAS ALREADY BEEN SET, BUT I. I HAVE A POINT OF REFERENCE. WE THIS A PERMANENT IN PLACE OR OUR RAISES ARE ON A YEAR BY YEAR BASIS, DEPENDING ON THE BUDGET. NO, NO IT DOESN'T. NO. WELL I, NO, I DON'T THINK SO. WELL LET ME ASK YOU SOMETHING ON YOUR MOTION. WOULD THAT BE RESCIND OVERALL. 
          AND THEN WE'LL YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF JUST ONE YEAR. OH I DON'T KNOW THAT RESCIND. AND THEN MAYBE WE COULD OVERALL OR WE COULD REVISIT IT AGAIN IN A COUPLE OF YEARS. I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE DETAILS. I CAN MAKE THAT. WAIT A MINUTE. WHAT IS WHAT IS THE CITY CHARTER SAY? OH, THAT'S A GOOD LET'S ASK THAT QUESTION. HOLD ON. SO, SECTION 2-23 OF CITY CODE IS WHAT GOVERNS THE SALARY OF THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. IT SAYS THAT THE SALARY SHALL BE FIXED BY VOTE OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND SHALL BE REVIEWED THROUGH UPDATED SURVEY INFORMATION EVERY FIVE YEARS. SO WE DID THAT LAST YEAR, AND THE DECISION WAS MADE IN AUGUST TO INCREASE THE SALARIES FOR THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL AT THAT TIME. SO FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, WE WOULD WE WOULD ESSENTIALLY REVISIT IT IN FIVE YEARS FROM FROM THAT DATE, FROM THAT DATE. 
          OKAY. THAT'S FINE. SO WE'LL, YOU'LL, YOU'LL THAT'S WHAT OUR MOTION BE OR YOUR MOTION. MY SECOND. OKAY. THEN, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION COUNCIL. SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE PART THAT I WOULD DISAGREE WITH. WITH THAT TO REVISIT EVERY, EVERY FIVE YEARS. BECAUSE IF WE, IF WE MADE A DECISION BASED OFF OF WHAT WE WERE BEFORE, THEN THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN FIVE YEARS IN PLACE. 
          NOW WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS WE'RE RESCIND IT AND THEN IT'LL BE ANOTHER FIVE YEARS. IS THAT IS THAT MY MOTION? YES. I DON'T SEE US BEING IN A BETTER POSITION. MAYOR. I THINK ANOTHER PART OF THAT DISCUSSION IS WE WERE LOOKING AT SHORTENING THAT SHORTENING THAT TIME FRAME FOR REVIEW FOR A NUMBER OF THOSE DIFFERENT, THOSE, DIFFERENT FORMULAS AT THAT TIME FROM THE CHARTER. SO DID WE. CITY IN THE CODES AND THE CODES. OKAY. OKAY. WELL, I 
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THINK I. YOU HAVE ANYTHING FOR THAT, MR. NEWMAN? YEAH. MY, FIRST OF ALL, JUST FOR YOUR POINT, I CONSENSUS. I BELIEVE YOU HAVE CONSENSUS WITH THE FOUR OF Y'ALL, AND YOU COULD ADD MY VOTE TO, TO, YOU KNOW, RESCIND THE RAISES AS WELL. BUT THE POINT THAT I WANTED TO MAKE, BASED ON LAST BUDGET, WE SPECIFICALLY MOVED FROM ONE POT TO ANOTHER. MY BIG CONCERN IS JUST, I, I UNDERSTAND THE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, TO DO THAT. WHAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE IS THAT IT'S NOT JUST GOING TO GO UP IN THE AIR. I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE, BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO ME THAT ESPECIALLY ON THE ISSUE OF THE, THE SUMMER CAMPS, THEY MIGHT NOT THIS IF THIS IS A ONE TIME FIX, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS WHERE MAYBE USING THESE FUNDS TOWARDS SOMETHING THAT'S MORE, LONG LASTING FOR THE STUDENTS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OR FOR THE KIDS THAT WOULD BE IN THOSE CAMPS. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THERE'LL BE MORE THAN JUST A ONE YEAR BAND-AID IN CASE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE LOSE ALL THIS FUNDING, WITH IT. SO THAT THAT'S MY ONLY CONTINGENCY ON THE VOTE IS MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE PUTTING IT SOMEWHERE THAT'S GOING TO HAVE A MEANINGFUL, LASTING THING. THANK YOU, MR. NEWMAN. SO I THINK WE HAD THE MOTION THE SECOND THAT WAS THE. OKAY, WAIT A MINUTE. WHAT ARE WE MOTIONING ON? HOLD ON. I THAT'S WHAT I'M SPEAKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW, MA'AM. WE HAD A MOTION AND WE HAD A SECOND MOTION TO RESCIND THE RAISES, AND NOW IT WOULD BE REVISITED PER CODE IN FIVE YEARS. AND AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, BECAUSE KEVIN KEVIN'S COMMENT REFRESHED MY RECOLLECTION A LITTLE BIT. WE ALSO, IN THAT DISCUSSION OF THE COUNCIL RAISES THE CHARTER LANGUAGE AND THE CODE LANGUAGE. WE HAD ALSO DISCUSSED A POTENTIAL CODE MODIFICATION TO INCREASE HOW OFTEN THOSE THOSE SALARIES WERE REVISITED, RIGHT. BECAUSE THERE WAS A DISCUSSION OF WHY IS IT EVERY FIVE YEARS? WELL, YEAH, THAT WAS BROUGHT UP BY MR. SMITH. RIGHT. AND SO WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION. RIGHT. AND IT WAS A NO. SO, SO THAT, THAT, THAT ALWAYS CAN BE REVISITED AS WELL ON HOW, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE, TO MY RECOLLECTION, THE CHARTER LANGUAGE DOESN'T SPEAK TO THAT TIME FRAME. IT'S THE CODE LANGUAGE THAT SPEAKS THAT SPEAKS TO THE QUESTION. YEAH. 
          SO WE CAN RESCIND THE MAYOR. YES. WE CAN RESCIND THE, THE RAISE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO VISIT, REVISIT THE, THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WE PROVIDE THE RAISES. WE CAN SHORTEN THAT. WE, WE CAN BRING THAT BACK TO COUNCIL AGAIN. AND COUNCIL CAN SAY, NO, WE WANT TO WE WANT TO LOOK AT RAISES EVERY TWO YEARS. YEAH. WE ONE YEAR, WE BASICALLY, WE'D BASICALLY BE. THE FIVE YEARS IS NOT SET IN STONE. NO. WELL IT'S IN CODE. AND SO BUT WE WE'D BE WE'D BE RIGHT. WE'D BE REVIVING THAT THAT LANGUAGE THAT WE LOOKED AT LAST YEAR AGAIN. OKAY. DON'T MISS BASSETT. 
          WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO ON THAT? DO YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE YEARS. HOW ABOUT WE JUST STICK WITH ONE THING? HOW ABOUT WE RESCIND AND THEN WE GO TO THE. WOULD THAT BE A SEPARATE MOTION? LET ANOTHER COUNCIL MEMBER BRING UP THE CITY CODE CHANGE AT ANOTHER TIME. OKAY. THAT'S FINE. ARE YOU GOOD WITH THAT? YEAH. WELL, THAT WAS HER MOTION. I JUST I THOUGHT I WAS LETTING YOU YOU MADE THE MOTION. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY. MAKING IT CLEAR FOR MYSELF. I'M. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. 
          OKAY. SO WE ARE WE GOOD ON THAT, MR. MAYOR? JUST BRIEFLY, I WANTED TO BRING UP THE IDEA THAT, JUST TO LOOK FORWARD ON THIS IN THE EVENT THAT WE WIND UP IN A, IN A SITUATION PAST THIS NOVEMBER'S ELECTION WHERE WE HAVE TO CONSIDER ADDITIONAL CUTS, IF WE WIND UP, SAY, ELIMINATING FUNDING FOR A CENTER THAT IS HOSTING A SUMMER CAMP, THERE'S NO NECESSARY GUARANTEE THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING PRESERVED FOR, SPECIFICALLY THAT POINT TO MR. NEWMAN'S COMMENT. SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ABSOLUTELY TRY TO PRIORITIZE AND AVOIDANCE OF CUTS, BUT IT WOULD DEFINITELY BE SOMETHING THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY ACHIEVABLE IF FOR SOME REASON WE WERE TO OPT TO RETURN EDDIE LEE TAYLOR AND WICKHAM PARK BACK TO THE COUNTY OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT. SO WE CAN'T TAKE FROM HERE TO PUT TO THERE. 
          IT'S MORE LIKE RESTRICTING THAT REVENUE STREAM. YOU CAN DO, YOU KNOW, YOUR MOTION IS, IS WE EXECUTE IT. BUT IN THE EVENT THAT WE WERE IN A SITUATION WHERE WE, TO CLOSE THE COMMUNITY CENTER AS PART OF THE BUDGETARY CONSTRAINTS IN THE EVENT THAT THE BALLOT MEASURE IS SUCCESSFUL. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I JUST WANT YOU TO BE AWARE OF THAT YOU MAY ELIMINATE THE WHOLE, YOU KNOW, WHOLE THING, NOT NECESSARILY PRESERVING THAT SMALLER PART OF THAT WHOLE THING. SO JUST, JUST FOR, I THINK THE PRESERVE PRESERVATION OF ALL DOLLARS AT THIS POINT ARE ASTRONOMICAL. I MEAN, IT GOES ACROSS ALL AVENUES, ACROSS THIS WHOLE SPECTRUM OF EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE PRESENTED TO US. WHERE DOES IT GO? HOW DOES IT GO AND WHERE DO WE APPLY IT? IT APPLIES EVERYWHERE. SOMEHOW OR OTHER. OKAY, THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND. SO WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THAT. COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH. I COUNCILMEMBER LARUSSO. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER NEWMAN. ME. I. 
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COUNCIL MEMBER. BASSETT. I. COUNCIL MEMBER. HANLEY. I. COUNCIL MEMBER OR I'M SORRY VICE MAYOR KENNEDY I MAYOR ALFRED AND I VOTE AYE. AND THAT MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          THANK YOU COUNCIL. THANK YOU. SO GO AHEAD MISS LAMB. JUST TO BE CLEAR, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY YOU JUST VOTED ON THE RAISES, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT FOR BUDGET PURPOSES AND WHEN WE'RE WE'RE REVISING THE BUDGET TO BRING BACK TO YOU IN SEPTEMBER. IT SOUNDS WELL, AND WE NEED DIRECTION. THEN OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE ABOUT THE $55,000 THAT WE'RE GOING TO APPLY TO SUMMER CAMPS. ARE YOU STILL WANTING US TO PURSUE INCREASE LIKE WE CAN FIGURE OUT THE WHAT THE INCREASED COSTS IF WE MOVE IT TO O'GALLEY OR INCREASED REVENUE, IF WE MOVE IT TO O'GALLEY CIVIC CENTER, OR. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE. THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD BE PURSUING. CAN WE LOOK AT IT AND SEE WHAT I MEAN? DO WE PAY EXTRA FOR IT TO BE. DO WE HAVE TO PAY ANYTHING AT THE, WICKHAM PARK? DO WE HAVE A SHARE THAT WE HAVE TO PAY TO WICKHAM PARK? NOT THAT. NO. I JUST WANT TO KNOW BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, NO, WE DON'T HAVE A REVENUE SHARE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. WHAT WOULD BE EASIER FOR STAFF AT THIS POINT IN TIME? ONE THING OF CLARITY THAT I THINK, AND I'M SORRY TO JUMP IN ON THIS, BUT, THE OTHER ASPECT OF THIS, THIS WAS 55,000. THE CAMPS WERE ROUGHLY 150, WAS WHETHER OR NOT COUNCIL HAD DIRECTION ON THE STUDY TOWN GRANT, THE 100,000 ASPECT OF THE STUDY TOWN MONEY OVER TO THE PARKS AND REC FOR THAT WAS YOUR THAT THAT'S WHAT I CALL IT. WELL, THAT THAT WAS ACTUALLY WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE. 
          SO JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM THERE WAS CONSENSUS. CONSENSUS ON ON THE MOVING THE MONEY FROM STUDY TOWN OVER TO THE PARKS AND REC FOR, FOR WHAT WE CAN DO REAL QUICK. WE CAN DO LIKE A ROLL CALL FOR CONSENSUS, TO WHETHER WE WANT TO MOVE THE $100,000 FROM STUDY TOWN OVER TO PARK. 
          CORRECT. MISS HANLEY, GO AHEAD AND GIVE US KIND OF A CONSENSUS VOTE ON THAT. COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH. I COUNCIL MEMBER HANLEY. I OR DID YOU SAY. I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. THAT WAS MY FAULT. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER LARUSSO. COUNCIL MEMBER. LARUSSO. PLEASE. COUNCIL MEMBER. NEWMAN. AYE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER. BASSETT. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. HANLEY. AYE. VICE MAYOR. KENNEDY. AYE. MAYOR ALFREY. A VOTE ON THAT MOTION PASSES. OR THAT CONSENSUS PASSES UNANIMOUSLY ON THAT. SO THAT WORK CAMPS ARE SAFE. OKAY. SO AND AND I'M GOING TO CALL ON YOU, MISS BASSETT. YOU ALSO SAID YOU HAD SOME OTHER STUFF. I HAD SOME OTHER STUFF. I, I REALLY DO WANT TO BRING BACK, OUR EVENTS LIKE THE, THE TOUCH A TRUCK, THE, WHAT IS IT? DADDY DAUGHTER OR FATHER DAUGHTER HALLOWEEN EVENT? EVENTS, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I WANT TO FIND WAYS TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD THAT, BUT I WANT TO TASK, NOT I HATE SAYING TASK, BUT I WOULD ASK THE CITY TO LOOK INTO WAYS TO MAKE IT CHEAPER. LIKE, LIKE THOSE LITTLE GIVEAWAYS WE GIVE THEM, THE CUTE LITTLE THINGS LIKE MAYBE THEY DON'T NEED THOSE. LIKE HOW MUCH DOES THAT COST? AND WE CAN MOVE IT TOWARDS ACTUALLY HOLDING THE EVENTS. AND THEN I HAD OTHER IDEAS. DID THAT ONE. SORRY, I HAD A LIST. I NOTICED THAT WHEN I GO TO, CITY HALL OR ANY OF OUR CITY BUILDINGS, ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES ARE WEARING COATS AND BIG SWEATERS AND HUGGING THEMSELVES. CAN WE LOOK AT HOW MUCH WE'RE SPENDING ON OUR A C? AND MAYBE WE CAN TWEAK IT A BIT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE DO AT HOME WHEN WE NEED TO TWEAK THE COST, HOW MUCH WE'RE PAYING, ON PAPER COST PENS, REGULAR STATIONERY, THERE'S ALWAYS A CHEAPER ROUTE. AND THEN POSSIBLY GOING SOLAR AT CITY FACILITIES. IT'S A, IT'S AN INITIAL BIGGER COST, BUT IT PAYS FOR ITSELF. AND THEN YOU SAVE MONEY IN THE END. THOSE WERE MY IDEAS. I THINK THEY'RE GREAT IDEAS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          I THINK THEY'RE GREAT. ALL RIGHT, MISS LAMB. DO I HAVE CONSENSUS AMONG COUNCIL TO FOR TASKS OR FOR STAFF TO TAKE ON THOSE TASKS AND LOOK INTO THAT STUFF? DO WE HAVE A WE'LL DO A ROLL CALL VOTE FOR THAT KIND OF CONSENSUS. WAIT A MINUTE. WHAT DO WE WHAT ARE WE HAVING A CONSENSUS ABOUT? WHAT I MEAN, BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT SPENDING. I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT ARE WE LOOKING AT WHEN SHE WAS DOING THE SOLAR OR ARE WE LOOKING AT. WELL, THAT'S A GOOD POINT. IT WAS A SOLAR. AND WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THERE'S DIFFERENT THINGS. THERE WAS A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT STUFF I GOT YOU BECAUSE YOU KNOW CAPITAL. IT'S CAPITAL IN THERE. DO WE HAVE THE MONEY TO EVEN DO THE CAPITAL? AND ESPECIALLY IF WE'VE GOT THE NOVEMBER THING GOING FORWARD, IF LET'S NOT WASTE OUR TIME OR ANYBODY ELSE'S TIME, IF IF IF THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WELL. MISS MISS LAMB, BUT YOU COULD JUST DO THAT 
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INITIAL LOOK. AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, LIKE, IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 100 THINGS TO LOOK INTO, THEN I'M GOING TO WORRY ABOUT THE PRIORITIZATION OF THAT. BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WEREN'T WE WEREN'T LOOKING INTO SOMETHING THAT SIX OF YOU ARE LIKE, OH MY GOSH, WE WILL NEVER DO THAT. AND SO I'M JUST LOOKING TO MAKE SURE THAT I HAVE SOME CONSENSUS THAT, YES, THESE ARE IDEAS WE'D LIKE YOU TO PURSUE AND COME BACK. HOW ABOUT WE LEAVE THAT TO THE NEXT MAYOR AFTER NOVEMBER? MR. NEWMAN? YEAH, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION. I THINK IT'S FOR JENNY OR ROSS, WHOEVER WANTS TO TAKE IT. I REMEMBER DURING OUR MEETING, I MAY HAVE MADE A JOKE OR SO ABOUT THE PRINTING COSTS AND THAT YOU GUYS MAY NOT HAVE PAPER ANYMORE IN YOUR OFFICES BECAUSE THEY WERE ZEROED OUT. CAN YOU GUYS SPEAK TO THAT LINE ITEM AND WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN DOING THERE? BECAUSE I, I FEEL I JUST DON'T WANT YOU GUYS GO ON A RABBIT TRAIL ON CERTAIN PIECES. I THINK IT'D BE GOOD FOR US TO KNOW ON THOSE ONES, BECAUSE IF THERE'S OTHER PARTS THAT WE COULD PICK OUT THAT MAYBE THAT MISS BASSETT TALKED ABOUT, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THOSE, BUT I WANT TO GO ONE BY ONE JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE SENDING STAFF IN, IN A SPECIFIC DIRECTION. SO, SO TO MR. NEWMAN'S POINT, WHEN WE WERE REVIEWING THE BUDGET INITIALLY, AFTER DEPARTMENT REQUESTS WERE ENTERED, WE WERE AT ABOUT A $9 MILLION GULF BETWEEN REVENUES AND WHAT EXPENDITURES WERE REQUESTED. 
          WHEN WE LOOKED AT SOME OF THOSE LINES BEFORE WE ARRIVED AT THE FIGURE THAT WE, WE WORKED WITH COUNCIL AND SHOWED COUNCIL. THESE WERE THE NEXT STEPS WE TOOK. ONCE WE FELT. WE COMBED THROUGH EACH OF THE OPERATING BUDGETS OF EACH OF THE DEPARTMENTS AND SAID, THERE WAS A HANDFUL OF YEARS WHERE, LET'S SAY A DEPARTMENT HAD $3,000 BUDGETED IN THEIR PRINTING AND COPY EXPENSE. IF THEIR MONTHLY COPIER LEASE IS ONLY, YOU KNOW, $200, WHY ARE WE BUDGETING 300, 3000 FOR SOMETHING THAT'S ONLY GONNA COST US 2400? SO WE DID MAKE SOME OF THOSE RIGHT SIZE TYPE OF ADJUSTMENTS. SO THAT, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE DID PRIOR TO GETTING INTO SOME OF THESE MORE DEEPER CUTS. SIMILAR ON THE OPERATING SUPPLY SIDE. SO AT LEAST FOR THE PURPOSES OF, SOME OF THE, LIKE PENS, PAPER AND ALL THAT, OUTSIDE OF ADDITIONAL INITIATIVES TO REDUCE DEPENDENCY ON THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. WE'VE, WE'VE PRETTY MUCH TOOK ANYTHING OF FAT OUT OF THOSE, THOSE LINE ITEMS BEFORE, WE ARRIVED AT SOME OF THESE MORE DEEPER CUTS TO PROBABLY THE CHAGRIN OF MANY OF THE PEOPLE BEHIND ME. GOTCHA. OKAY. GOOD. MA'AM. I DON'T WANT MY QUESTION TO BE CONSTRUED AS WE DON'T WANT TO WORK ON THESE. I JUST IMAGINE SINCE COUNCIL MEMBER BASSETT WENT FIRST, IF EVERYONE HAS A LIST OF TEN. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, LIKE I SAID, THAT THAT WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO GET THE BALL ROLLING ON THESE AND WE CAN COME BACK WITH SOME OF THOSE. OKAY, HERE'S THE TOTAL. OR WE THINK, YOU KNOW, LIKE WITH THE SOLAR, THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, NOT DO ANY ENGINEERING NOT DO, BUT JUST HERE'S A ROUGH OUTLINE OF WHAT THAT WOULD TAKE AND WHAT SAVINGS WE'D SEE. WOULD IT BE FAIR TO SAY THAT WE HAVE QUARTERLY BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS THAT WE CAN, THAT CAN GO FORWARD, THAT WE'VE FOUND THIS, WE FOUND THAT WE CAN CUT BACK ON THIS AND WE HAVE TO INCREASE ON THAT. WE CAN DO THEM AT QUARTERLY. WE CAN DO THEM IN SEPTEMBER. I'M JUST SAYING, WE GET QUARTERLY BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS. YOU KNOW, IN OUR AGENDAS. SO WE CAN SO THE COUNCIL CAN ADDRESS THAT, FOUR TIMES A YEAR. OKAY. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. I THINK MAYOR, MR. SMITH. SMITH. YES. THANK YOU. MAYOR. BUT TO, TO MISS JANE LAM'S POINT, I ALSO HAVE A LIST OF ITEMS, TO PROPOSE, FOR REVIEW CONSIDERATION, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT WE, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT IN PAST, ASKING ME TO TAKE A LOOK AT. SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT ME TO GO DOWN THAT WE WANT TO DO THAT LATER OR WHAT'S THE FORMAT WE WANT TO DO WITH THAT? NO, DON'T THINK SHE'S DONE YET. YEAH, I WASN'T DONE. YEAH, JUST LET LET MISS BASSETT GO AND THEN WE'LL GO AHEAD AND JUMP TO YOU. GO AHEAD MA'AM. I WOULD LIKE TO START THE PROCESS TO LOOK AT POSSIBLY DOING A FIRE FEE. I KNOW THAT IT'S, IT'S NOT A POPULAR THING, BUT, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF OUR FIREFIGHTERS ACCORDINGLY, GET THEM TO ALL THE STATIONS THEY NEED. AND IF WE DO A FIRE FEE, IT WOULD TAKE THAT MONEY OUT OF THE GENERAL FUNDS AND OPEN UP GENERAL FUNDS TO PAY FOR OTHER THINGS THAT WE NEED. SO I KNOW THERE'S A PROCESS TO LOOK AT HOW TO DO THAT. AND IF WE WANT TO DO THAT, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO NOT WAIT UNTIL NOVEMBER, BUT START THAT NOW IF THAT'S POSSIBLE. BUT IF WE DO THAT, WE'RE GOING TO BE RAISING YOU KNOW, YOU GOT TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT THAT. YOU SAY YOU DON'T WANT TO RAISE TAXES ON PEOPLE, BUT YOU'RE LOOKING AT SOME OF THE OLDER PEOPLE. WE HAVE AN OLDER COMMUNITY HERE. I UNDERSTAND THAT AND I DON'T I WE DON'T HAVE AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT ELDERLY. WE HAVE AN OLDER IT'S NOT OLDER, BUT THEY'VE BEEN HERE LONGER. WE HAVE A VIBRANT, VIBRANT YOUNG POPULATION. AND I CAN TELL YOU 
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FROM THE AIRPORT AS AN AIRPORT BOARD, BUT THEY DON'T LIVE IN MELBOURNE. THEY DO LIVE IN MELBOURNE AND THEY LIVE IN ROCKLEDGE AND THEY LIVE IN PALM BAY AND THEY LIVE IN THEY LIVE IN THOSE AREAS, BUT THEY'RE NOT LIVING IN THE CITY OF MELBOURNE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I MEAN, I LOOK AT I'VE BEEN LIVING HERE A LOT LONGER THAN YOU HAVE. AND I, I STILL HAVE THE SAME NEIGHBORS THAT. SO THAT MAKES YOU BETTER. I LOOKED AT MISTER, THAT I'VE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME AND I'VE LOOKED AT THE. LIKE A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN MELBOURNE. AND WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT SOME OF THE PEOPLE COMING IN TO MELBOURNE AT THE AIRPORT, THEY'RE LIVING IN PALM BAY, THEY'RE LIVING BEACHSIDE. ESPECIALLY THE VIERA AREA. WE'RE NOT GETTING THAT. WE HAVEN'T GROWN. WE HAVEN'T CHANGED. WELL, NOW, THE QUESTION I MISS BASSETT BROUGHT UP WAS REGARDING TO REVIEW WHAT THE FIRE FEE WOULD BE. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. I DON'T I MAYBE I HEARD IT WRONG. I DON'T RECALL HEARING THAT THEY CHARGE A HIGHER FEE, MORE. LOOKING TO SEE WHAT THE FIRE FEE AND MY MY CONCERN TOO WOULD BE IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO DO, BECAUSE OF THE TAX CUTS, YOU KNOW, THE STATE. MAYBE NOT. IF WE DON'T MAYBE GET ON THAT AND AT LEAST LOOK AT IT, THE STATE SAYING YOU CAN'T DO THAT. THAT WOULD BE MY CONCERN. YOU NEVER KNOW. YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT COULD HAPPEN. AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHO, WHAT OTHER COMMUNITIES AROUND US ARE CHARGING HIGHER FEES AND WHAT THEY ARE EXACTLY, AND WHAT THAT NUMBER IS AND WHAT THAT WHAT THAT MEANS. CORRECT. CITY MANAGER HAS THE THAT I THOUGHT IN JUNE, WHEN WE HAD OUR CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS UPCOMING BUDGET AND ABOUT POTENTIAL, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THE PROPERTY TAX AMENDMENT PASSED. I, I FEEL LIKE WE WERE ALREADY TASKED WITH AT LEAST KICKING THAT OFF. WE WERE. YES. SO I, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WILL GET A CONTRACT FOR AND BRING BACK TO COUNCIL DEPENDING ON THE DOLLAR VALUE, BRING BACK TO COUNCIL AND WE CAN AT LEAST GET THAT KICKED OFF. AND THAT WAY WE'RE NOT BEHIND SCHEDULE. 
          WE'RE NOT WAITING UNTIL NOVEMBER TO SEE THE OUTCOME. YES. AND AS A MATTER OF FACT, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, YOUR EXACT WORDS ON THAT, MISS LAMBE, WAS THAT YOUR CONCERN WAS THAT WE WERE LIKE ON A LIST OF CONSULTANTS GETTING THAT DONE, AND WE DID NOT WANT TO BE ON THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST. THAT WAS OUR BASICALLY OUR, OUR DISCUSSION ON THAT. SO BUT I AGREE, IF WE CAN LOOK AT THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT. AND THEN, A COUPLE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE MAYBE IS OF COURSE, CAN WE LOOK AT WHAT IT WOULD COST TO, HAVE OUR OWN FUEL TANKS AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SINCE THEY'RE HAVING TO RELY ON THE PREMIUM COST OF FUEL IN THE CITY, IF WE HAVE OUR OWN. BUT WE ONLY DID THAT. I DON'T THINK WE DO. WE HAVE OUR OWN. WE DO HAVE USE OF THE WEX CARD FUEL PROGRAM. THESE ARE BASICALLY CREDIT CARDS THAT ARE TIED TO THE INDIVIDUAL VIN NUMBER OF EACH OF THE CARS. IT COMES AT A DISCOUNTED RATE. OH, OKAY. THEY PROVIDE A, AND FORGIVE ME, I DON'T HAVE THE SPECIFICS OF THE CONTRACT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT WE RECEIVE A CREDIT EACH MONTH FOR USAGE OF. OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S STILL A COST TO PAY. YEAH. AS WELL AS WE, I THINK WE DO HAVE THE PROJECT WORKING ON JSTOR TECHNOLOGIES OUT AT HARPER ROAD TO REESTABLISH OUR EXISTING FUEL FARM. OKAY. SO I DON'T THINK THEY'VE HAD THE USE OF THAT AS OPPOSED TO HAVING TO MAYBE RELY ON THE WEX CARDS MORE OFTEN THAN SOME OF THOSE OTHER THINGS. SO WE WE DO HAVE SOME THINGS IN THE WORKS IN THAT REGARD. OKAY. I LOVE THAT FUEL PUMP. DIDN'T WE HAVE SOMETHING ELSE THAT YOU BROUGHT PRE-BOUGHT FUEL BEFORE? IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, IN THE COUNCIL A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, THERE WAS SOMETHING ABOUT WHEN THE WE DID WHEN THE WEX CARDS WERE. I THINK THAT CONTRACT LAPSED FOR A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, AND WE HAD TO COME TO COUNCIL FOR LIKE A STOP GAP OF A COUPLE OF WEEKS BECAUSE WE WERE, IT TOOK THAT AMOUNT OF TIME FOR THE CONTRACT TO BE APPROVED. OKAY. AND THEN I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S POLICY IS ON THIS, BUT MAYBE HAVING SOME OF THE OFFICERS DOUBLE UP IN CARS DURING NON-PEAK TIMES. SO LESS CARS ON THE ROAD. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW WHAT IF THEY HAVE A CERTAIN POLICY ON THAT THAT'S GOING TO HURT OR ANYBODY, BUT IT'S JUST AN IDEA OF. I MEAN, MY I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO ACHIEVE THERE? LESS, WEAR AND TEAR ON PAYING LESS FOR LESS GAS, FUEL AND EVERYTHING. YEAH. WELL, I THINK WE'RE AT THE MERCY OF THE MARKET. WELL, MY THING, WHAT DOES IT DO TO OUR PUBLIC SAFETY? MY, MY QUESTION, THOUGH, WOULD BE, IF WE'RE GETTING THESE CALLS, ARE WE GOING TO SLOW DOWN OUR CALLS? I THINK THAT'S THAT I DON'T KNOW. YOU KNOW WELL, I CAN TELL YOU BEING IN LAW PRIOR AND LAW ENFORCEMENT AND DOUBLING UP IN CARS, YOU KNOW, THEN YOUR THE WHOLE IDEA WAS FOR PRESENCE AND THE MORE CARS. OKAY. AND THEN THEN OF COURSE, WHEN YOU'RE DOUBLING UP, THEN YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU ONLY GOT SO MANY CARS TO GO TO CALLS AND WE GO TO A LOT OF CALLS. I KNOW WE GO TO A LOT OF CALLS AND, SO, BUT I MEAN, IT'S A THOUGHT, BUT JUST AN IDEA. YEAH. 
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ANYTHING ELSE? I THINK THAT'S IT FOR ME. OKAY. OKAY. HOW ABOUT MR. SMITH? YOU GOT. YOU WANT TO GO DOWN YOUR LIST, SIR? YES. MAYOR. THANKS. I'LL GO DOWN THE LIST JUST A LITTLE BIT HERE. BUT ONE OF THE BIG THINGS DURING MY MY BUDGET, ONE ON ONE SESSION, I STILL HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT CAN WE REVIEW THE STATE REVENUE SHARING, THE SALES TAX AND THE TOURISM TAX DISTRIBUTION? I'M STILL NOT UNDERSTANDING, WHAT THAT FORMULA IS. AND ROSS EVEN TALKED ON, ON HIS BRIEFING. BUT IS THAT IS THERE A WAY TO LOOK AT THAT FOR FUTURE REVENUE OR FOR MELBOURNE TO GET ITS FAIR SHARE? MAYBE WE ARE, MAYBE WE AREN'T. I'M NOT SURE. GO AHEAD SIR. EACH OF THOSE ARE, VARIOUS REVENUES THAT ARE CONTROLLED BY THE LEGISLATURE AND THE STATE STATUTES. SO IN THE EVENT THAT WE WOULD EVER WANT, A DIFFERENCE OF HOW THAT IS DISTRIBUTED AMONGST THE MUNICIPALITIES IN THE COUNTIES, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE WOULD HAVE TO WORK WITH OUR STATE PARTNERS TO LOOK AT AMENDING THOSE LAWS, BECAUSE WHAT STATUTE IS PRESCRIBING IS WHAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW. AND SO THAT'S ALL BROKEN DOWN BY THE STATE. AND WE GET SHARE. YEAH. I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT WE GET WHAT WE GET. AND I THINK SOME OF THE ISSUES OUR STAFF HAS SAID, WE'RE NOT WE'RE WE'RE NOT GROWING LIKE OTHER PLACES. 
          THEREFORE, OUR SHARE IS, IS KIND OF STUCK ON LIMITED. AND THAT'S NOT FAIR THOUGH, RIGHT? IF WE'RE. RIGHT, MAYOR, THE LEGISLATORS. THAT'S. WELL. WELL THEN SO I'M ASKING FOR A REVIEW. 
          I MEAN, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, EVEN TO YOUR POINT RIGHT THERE, IF OUR POPULATION IS NOT GROWING, BUT YET WE HAVE MORE BUSINESSES IN OUR, WE HAVE A HIGHER CONCENTRATION OF, SOME OF THE BUSINESSES, AEROSPACE, DEFENSE, THE AIRPORT. THEN MAYBE IT'S TIME FOR THAT FORMULA TO BE RELOOKED AT OR THOSE FORMULAS TO BE RELOOKED AT. WELL, MR. SMITH, LET ME LET ME TELL YOU THAT THE AIRPORT, THE GOVERNOR HAS RESCINDED THE SALES TAX ON ALL AVIATION FUEL, WHICH WAS 4.3 $0.07 PER GALLON UP UNTIL JANUARY OF THIS YEAR. SO NOW YOU WANT TO TAKE IT UP WITH MR. DESANTIS? GOVERNOR DESANTIS, THAT'S FINE. I MEAN, I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT AS WELL, TOO. AND I'LL STAND SHOULDER TO SHOULDER WITH YOU. BUT THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT THE STATE DOES, AND THE STATE IS COMING DOWN ON US MORE AND MORE AND MORE. SO HENCE THE PROPERTY TAX ISSUE THAT WE'RE FACING RIGHT NOW. THEY CHIP AWAY AND THEY CHIP AWAY AND THEY CHIP AWAY. 
          SO, WE HAVE NO MORE FUEL TAX, AVIATION FUEL TAX, WHICH IS ASTRONOMICAL IN FDOT DOLLARS, WHICH SUPPLY THIS ENTIRE CITY AND EVERY OTHER CITY IN THE STATE OF EVERY OTHER CITY IN THE STATE. SO SURE, I, MARCUS, I'D LOVE TO WORK WITH YOU 110% AND I'LL GO UP WITH YOU AND ADVOCATE WITH YOU. BUT THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE THERE, PAL. THAT'S WHAT IT IS. THAT'S FINE. 
          COUNCILMAN LARUSSO, BUT I THINK THERE ARE OTHER ONES IN ADDITION TO THAT. RIGHT. I MENTIONED THE TOURISM, AND I DID, HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH, COUNTY COMMISSIONER FELTNER, ABOUT IT AND ALSO, COUNTY MANAGER. BUT, I MEAN, SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE JUST, I MEAN, I'M NOT GOING TO USE THE WORD ARCHAIC, BUT, YOU KNOW, IF THINGS ARE TIGHTENING UP AND IT'S TIME FOR A REVIEW, THEN WE NEED TO, I THINK PUT IT BEFORE, YOU KNOW, THE BODIES THAT BE AND MAYBE IT STAYS THE SAME, BUT YOU'LL NEVER KNOW IF WE DON'T ASK THE QUESTION OR IF WE DON'T FIGHT FOR OUR POSITION, IF WE DON'T ADVOCATE. I DON'T DISAGREE, I DON'T DISAGREE. 
          WHAT ELSE ON THE LIST, SIR? YES. OTHER STUFF I HAVE ON THE LIST IS, WE WE TALKED ABOUT, THE, THE HAIR PROPERTY REGISTRY, BEFORE, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A FEW OTHER THINGS. AND I, AND I KNOW THAT THE STAFF IS DOING SOME WORK BEHIND THE SCENES, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS NOW THE TIME AND I'LL, I'LL LET JENNY SPEAK ON THAT. OR DO I WANT TO, MAYBE BRING THAT TO A FUTURE MEETING? OKAY. THAT'S SOMETHING I GUESS YOU CAN BRING TO A FUTURE MEETING. THAT'D BE FINE. 
          OKAY. OKAY. BECAUSE, IN TOURISM AND DESTINATION DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW. BUT AGAIN, IF OUR FORMULA IS INCORRECT OR OUR FORMULA IS NOT HELPING US, LET ME SAY IT THAT WAY. THEN EVEN IF WE GO OFF, WE DO THINGS THAT'S GOING TO BE DOESN'T COST US ANY MORE MONEY JUST TO SHIFT IN OUR MARKETING AND OUR NARRATIVE THEN, BUT IF THAT, IF THAT FORM IS NOT GOING TO HELP US, THEN, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO REVIEW THAT IF WE DO SOMETHING ON TOURISM. SO, BUT THOSE, THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS RIGHT NOW, MAYOR, AND I'LL BRING STUFF UP AT A FUTURE MEETING. OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. ANY ANYBODY ELSE BECAUSE WE'VE GONE THROUGH, I THINK A LOT SOME OF US HAVE GONE THROUGH IT WITH. AND I KNOW MARLA CAN PROBABLY SIT HERE AND TELL US BEING SOMEBODY THAT DID ONE OF THESE, BUDGETS LIKE THIS, SHE CAN TELL US WHAT PAGE HAVE WE ASKED HER ABOUT ANYTHING ON THERE? TRUE. MARLA. SO, I MEAN, THEY, THEY HAVE GONE THROUGH AND DONE EVERY CUT 
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THEY POSSIBLY COULD. I THINK THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING YOU KNOW, THERE MIGHT BE SOME MINOR THINGS GOING FORWARD, BUT I DON'T THINK ROSS HAS BEEN MORE THAN HIM AND I OR ON AS PROFESSIONALLY. WE'RE ON THE SAME KIND OF WAVELENGTH OF HOW THINGS SHOULD BE HANDLED. AND HE DOES DO A BETTER FORMAT THAN A LOT OF OTHER CITIES. I CAN FOLLOW IT AS A PROFESSIONAL. SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES, HE HAD EXPLAINED TO ME WHAT THEY WERE DOING BECAUSE I DID NOT UNDERSTAND THEIR FORMATS AND I DIDN'T SEE THAT IT DIDN'T FIT INTO, I WANT TO SAY GAP, THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT WORD. AND WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, THERE'S A CERTAIN FORMULA THAT WHICH, WHICH GOVERNMENTAL, HAS TO FOLLOW AND HE HAS FOLLOWED IT. 
          SO I PROPOSE THAT IF ANYBODY DOESN'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT QUESTIONS. YEAH. WE'RE WELL ACTUALLY, I MEAN YOU WANT TO LEAVE. GO AHEAD. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING. I'M. HOLD UP. DON'T BE SO NASTY. NO. HOLD ON. WE'RE NOT. HOLD ON. WELL, THIS IS A NASTY CONVERSATION. IT REALLY IS. HOLD ON, MR. RUSSO. MR. RUSSO. IT REALLY IS. WE HAVE A WE HAVE ANOTHER SPEAKER. REAL QUICK, I WANT TO BRING MR. RYAN YOUNG WITH THE, THE PROFESSIONAL FIREFIGHTERS ASSOCIATION. MAYOR, WHILE YOU'RE WAITING FOR MR. YOUNG, IF YOU'RE GOING TO REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. I'D MAKE SURE EVERYONE KNOWS THAT YOU MAY HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY. THANK YOU, SIR. YEAH. OPEN REOPEN A PUBLIC HEARING. AND IS THERE IF THERE'S ANY OTHER SPEAKERS AS WELL, PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR CARDS. 
          GOOD. MR. YOUNG, HOW YOU DOING, SIR? GOOD. HOW ARE YOU? THANK YOU. I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT, BUT DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT, YOU GUYS, WEREN'T TALKING ABOUT, LIKE, FIRE FEES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO, OBVIOUSLY, I REACHED OUT TO COUNCIL MEMBERS. I'VE REACHED OUT TO STAFF. I'M THOROUGHLY, IN TUNE WITH ROSS AND THE BUDGETS AND HOW BUDGETS WORK. THE CONTRACTS THAT WE NEGOTIATED. I KNOW THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THEM UP ON THE SCREEN. PUBLIC SAFETY, POLICE, FIRE INFRASTRUCTURE. IT'S ALWAYS THE MOST EXPENSIVE. IT'S COVERED BY VALOREM TAXES. 
          EVERYBODY'S WORRIED ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE THE PROPERTY TAXES. THIS IS WHY WHEN WE REACH OUT, WE'RE TRYING TO GET AHOLD OF YOU. I KNOW THAT ROSS IS SETTING A BUDGET THAT IS GOING TO BE SOUND AND ABLE TO SUSTAIN BOTH THE CITIZENS AS WELL AS THE EMPLOYEES HERE. WITH THAT BEING SAID, YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT WHO ELSE IS DOING THIS. 
          EVERYBODY IS THIS IS PREEMPTIVE. IF THIS BILL PASSES, THIS BILL IS NOW IN RIGHT NOW CIRCUIT COURT ON WHETHER OR NOT IT'S GOING TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS TO BE ON THE BALLOT. BUT IF IT IS, I THINK WE ALL CAN UNDERSTAND THAT A VOTER WANTING TO SAVE MONEY IS A SIMPLE FIX. 
          WE I THINK WE ALL KNOW WHICH WAY IT'S GOING TO GO BY DOING THIS FIRE ASSESSMENT FEE, BRINGING IN A SPECIALIST. IT'S ALLOWING YOU GUYS TO BE WELL INFORMED OF WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. IF THE BILL DOES PASS, IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO IMPLEMENT IT. AND YOU YOU TALKED ABOUT, WELL, WE DON'T WANT TO RAISE THE FEES FOR IT. OTHER DEPARTMENTS ARE ALREADY DOING THIS. OKEECHOBEE. APOPKA. DAYTONA. DELTONA. IT'S I'M I HAVE DIRECT CONTACT WITH IF AND FPF OF ALL THE PRESIDENTS IN THE STATE, THEY'RE RUNNING THESE FIRE FEE SPECIALISTS SO THAT THEY CAN SEE WHAT THEY CAN GENERATE BASED OFF THE FACT THAT IF THIS BILL DOES GO THROUGH AND THERE'S A $20 MILLION DEFICIT, WHICH ROSS AND I FELT FAIRLY CONFIDENT IS GOING TO BE RIGHT ON POINT WITH HIS NUMBERS. THIS IS HOW WE PREVENT CUTS TO PUBLIC SERVICE, CUTS TO INFRASTRUCTURE. THIS MONEY HAS TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT SPREADSHEETS AND WE PRODUCE THOSE TO THE PUBLIC, IT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD. BUT THOSE ARE ALWAYS THE MAJORITY OF THE COSTS. AND LIKE ROSS SAID, THE AD VALOREM TAXES AREN'T COVERING IT RIGHT NOW ANYWAY. SO TO HELP OUT WITH THE DEFICIT, WE'RE ASKING YOU TO GET THE FIRE FEE SPECIALIST. YOU DON'T HAVE TO IMPLEMENT IT, BUT YOU AT LEAST HAVE THE ABILITY TO SEE WHAT IT'S GOING TO GENERATE. AND IN THE EVENT THE BILL DOES MAKE IT FOR NOVEMBER AND DOES PASS, WE'RE NOT WAITING 12 TO 16 MONTHS FOR A SPECIALIST TO TELL YOU WHAT YOU CAN CHARGE. RIGHT. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. AND YOU'VE YOU'VE GIVEN OTHER OTHER CITIES AND THERE ARE DIFFERENT CITIES HAVE DIFFERENT STRUCTURES OF HOW THEY DO THEIR GOVERNMENT, HOW THEY DO THEIR BILLS. SO MAYBE THEY DO DO A FIRE FEE. THEY HAVE DONE A FIRE FEE FOR 20 YEARS. BUT TO SAY THAT, OH, WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT TO MAKE THIS GO FORWARD, THEY DON'T, THEY PUT IT SEPARATELY, BUT SOME DO. LET ME FINISH. OKAY. SOME DO IT SEPARATELY SO THEY DON'T PUT IT INTO THE GENERAL FUNDS. WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT BEFORE. WE HAVE KEPT IT INTO THE GENERAL FUND SITUATIONS HERE. SO THEN YOU'RE GOING TO GO IT'S ALMOST TO ME LIKE A DOUBLE DIP. AND THAT'S NOT HOW THE FUND WORKS TO GO INTO THE FUND. WE HAVE IT IN THE GENERAL FUND. IT WOULD BE CATEGORICAL IN OTHER MISCELLANY. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THIS WOULD BE FOR ROSS. IF OUR BUDGET IS $20 MILLION IN A FIRE FEE, GENERATES 13. THAT DOESN'T MEAN 
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OUR BUDGET IS 33. IT MEANS THAT YOU WOULD COME UP WITH SEVEN INSTEAD OF 20. BUT WE'RE STILL COMING UP WITH THAT MONEY IN THERE. SO BUT YOU'RE COMING UP WITH 20 NOW ON YOUR OWN BECAUSE AD VALOREM TAXES ISN'T COVERING WHAT POLICE, FIRE AND INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS. SO WHEN THESE CITIES AND AGAIN, YOU ARE CORRECT IN DIFFERENT STRUCTURES, AND I DO KNOW HOW TO. THERE'S I DO KNOW HOW TO READ A BALANCE SHEET AND I DO KNOW HOW TO. I'M NOT HERE TO TRY TO EXPLAIN TO YOU HOW TO READ A BALANCE SHEET. I'M HERE TO SOLVE A PROBLEM FOR YOU IN CASE THIS BILL PASSES THAT EVERYBODY'S WORRIED ABOUT. AND WE'RE MAKING CUTS BASED OFF OF A BILL THAT HASN'T EVEN PASSED IN NOVEMBER, IF IT WILL EVEN MAKE THE BALLOT. SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS I'M TRYING TO INFORM YOU OF WHAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE DOING IN THE STATE MAKING CUTS. I'M SORRY WE'RE NOT MAKING CUTS BECAUSE WE'RE NOT MAKING CUTS. WE'RE OKAY. NO, THAT THAT'S FINE. LISTEN, I THANK YOU, MR. YOUNG. WE I, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT. WE, WE DO HAVE, HAVE IT TO OUR CITY MANAGER TO, TO DO THAT. AND I THINK THAT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. I, AND I THANK YOU. 
          AND I THINK MOVING FORWARD, THAT'S GOING TO BE PUTTING YOU AHEAD OF THE CURVE, JUST LIKE OTHER AGENCIES ARE DOING THE SAME. THEY'RE THEY'RE REQUESTING FIRE SPECIALISTS. 
          THEY'RE NOT IMPLEMENTING IT. THEY JUST WANT TO SEE WHAT IT'S GOING TO GENERATE. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING. AND WE WE DID DIRECT THAT A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO. AND I'M WITH YOU 100% ON THAT. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE YOU GUYS. TIME, MAYOR. AND FULL DISCLOSURE, FIRST, I WANT TO SAY, MISS HANLEY, I DON'T MEAN TO BE NASTY. I THESE ARE NASTY TIMES, OKAY. I MEAN, I'VE BEEN THROUGH 16 OF THESE BUDGETS. SO EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE YOU GET A LITTLE EMOTIONAL. I. AND FULL DISCLOSURE, MR. RYAN AND I HAVE HAD NUMEROUS CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS VERY TOPIC AND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, HOW IT COMES TO THE TABLE, WHAT WE CAN DO. AND HE'S BEEN A PROBLEM SOLVER, NOT A CHALLENGER. SO I APPRECIATE THAT AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE DOING. AND I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE TONIGHT. ABSOLUTELY. AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT AND EVERYTHING YOU GUYS NEED. GO AHEAD AND REACH OUT TO US. WE'RE ALWAYS HERE FOR THE CITIZENS AS WELL AS YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU RYAN. APPRECIATE IT. ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE ANY, ANYTHING ELSE FOR THREE? IF I MAY JUST BRIEFLY TOUCH ON THE FIRE FEE. 
          AND I KNOW I'VE GIVEN THE SPIEL TO ALL OF YOU, BUT JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC FOR WHAT'S BEING CONSIDERED, YOU CAN STUDY IT. ABSOLUTELY. I'D HIGHLY RECOMMEND DOING IT. IT'S IT'S AN ARROW IN YOUR QUIVER. YOU'D RATHER HAVE IT THAN NOT, AT LEAST IN THE SENSE OF NOT BEING ABLE TO, TO DEPLOY IT IF NECESSARY, IF WORSE COMES TO WORSE. BUT I DO WANT TO, MAKE COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC AWARE THAT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT AN AD VALOREM TAX HAS AND CAN HAVE ADDITIONAL EXEMPTIONS AND THE LIKE. A CHARGE FOR SERVICE IS A CHARGE FOR SERVICE. 
          THERE IS NO DISCOUNTING IT FOR, THE SENIORS WITH LIMITED INCOME. THERE IS NO DISCOUNTING IT FOR THE DISABLED VETS. THERE IS NO DISCOUNTING IT FOR ANY OF THE PARCELS THAT CURRENTLY BENEFIT FROM THE EXISTING PROPERTY TAX STRUCTURE. AND IF I CAN PART WITH ANY SPECIFIC THINGS FOR YOU TO COMMUNICATE OUT TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS, A VOTE IN NOVEMBER ON BALLOT LANGUAGE THAT MAY HELP IN REGARDS OF AD VALOREM PROPERTY TAXES, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THE DESIRE TO DO SO. WERE WE TO REPLACE SOME OF THAT WITH A CHARGE FOR SERVICE, FOR A FIRE FEE OR SOMETHING SIMILAR, YOU MAY HAVE RESIDENTS THAT WILL WIND UP PAYING MORE. YOU MAY HAVE RESIDENTS PAYING LESS, BUT WE KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THE FOLKS THAT ARE CURRENTLY EXEMPTED OR HAVE BEEN IN THEIR HOUSES FOR QUITE A LONG TIME ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE HARMED BY THAT FINANCIALLY THAN BENEFICIAL, CORRECT, BENEFITING MISINFORMATION THAT THAT GOES OUT THERE. WE AS A AS A COUNCIL, WE AS A CITY CANNOT GO OUT AND ADVOCATE ON OUR BEHALF, ON OUR MONEY, THE TAXPAYERS MONEY, OF COURSE, TO LET THE CITIZENS KNOW, YOU KNOW, THIS IS DETRIMENTAL, THIS IS MONUMENTAL AS TO, OKAY, YOU'RE GOING TO SAVE TEN GRAND, YOU'RE GOING TO SAVE FIVE GRAND, YOU'RE GOING TO SAVE THREE GRAND, BUT IT'S GOING TO COST YOU PLUS THAT, YOU KNOW? SO ANYWAY, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT. ARE WE SAYING THAT THIS IS LIKE THE END OF THE CONVERSATION NOW? I MEAN, MAYOR NO. NO OTHER, WELL, WE'LL FIND OUT. MR. SMITH, WHAT? DO YOU GOT SOMETHING, SIR? YES, SIR. I JUST WANT TO. I THINK YOU'VE ALREADY STATED IN THE CITY MANAGER'S ALSO STATED, BUT I THINK WE'RE KIND OF FOCUSING IN ON THE FIRE FEE. BUT I THINK FROM OUR PREVIOUS DISCUSSION, IT WAS ALSO TO JUST REALLY LOOK COMPREHENSIVELY AT ALL OF OUR DIFFERENT FEES AND SERVICES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. LET'S LOOK AT THE ONES THAT HAVE STAYED THE SAME FOR A LONG TIME FOR WHATEVER REASON. LOOK AT THE ONES THAT MAYBE WE COULD, YOU KNOW, MODIFY IN SOME WAYS BASED OFF OF COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENTS. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT POINT WAS JUST RESTATED AGAIN. YEAH, EXACTLY. GOOD POINT. YEAH. 
          THANK YOU, MR. SMITH. THE ONLY THING I WILL ADD IS I HATE LOSING. YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR, OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH, WITH THE SPACE COAST CHAMBER. I DON'T LIKE THAT. I DON'T LIKE THE FACT I KNOW YOU, MR. LUSSO HAS FOUGHT HARD FOR DOWNTOWN O'GALLEY. AND EGAD, I WE'RE 
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WE'RE NOT DONE. I KNOW I'M BUT BUT I'M JUST SPEAKING THAT THAT YOU KNOW, WE'VE COME A LONG WAY WITH WITH OUR DOWNTOWNS AND SO WE'RE NOT DONE YET. BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, I'D DEFINITELY LIKE TO CONTINUE THOSE RELATIONSHIPS AND TO THE POINT WHERE IF WE HAVE TO CUT SOME OF WHAT WE HAVE TO CUT, IN REGARDS TO EVENTS OR WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO. SO I AGREE. SO, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO MOVE FORWARD. BUT, ARE WE DONE WITH ANYBODY ELSE FOR THREE? NUMBER THREE, I, I AGREE, MAYOR, NUMBER THREE IS CONVERSATION ABOUT THE ENTIRE BUDGET. YEAH, JUST A REVIEW AND DISCUSSION. YEAH. SO I GOT A FEW. GO AHEAD. UNLESS MISS KENNEDY HAS GO AHEAD, YOU KNOW, AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING DOWN THE ROAD, YOU KNOW, SO I'M TRYING TO KEEP IT ON TRACK. GO AHEAD. YES, SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. COULDN'T MISS YOU. OH, THE RESERVE. WE HAVE 115,115 000 IN THE RESERVE. I'M SORRY, 1.15 MILLION IN RESERVE OR HOW MUCH IS IN THE RESERVE RIGHT NOW? AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS RESERVE FUNDS. 
          JUSTICE, WOULD YOU MIND SWITCHING OVER TO THE JUNE 9TH, SECOND QUARTER? I DON'T WANT TO TELL YOU A NUMBER THAT'S NOT MORE ACCURATE THAN ONE THAT I ALREADY HAVE ON THE PAPER. WELL, THAT'S FINE, BUT I THINK THE ONE THING I WANTED TO STRESS WAS THAT NO MATTER WHERE WE ARE, NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, I DON'T WANT TO TOUCH THOSE RESERVES. I DON'T CARE WHO WE ARE, WHAT WE ARE, WHERE WE ARE. THOSE RESERVES NEED TO STAY INTACT. YES, THEY ALWAYS DO. AND I DON'T WANT TO SEE US DIPPING INTO THEM EVER, EVER, EVER. THAT, IT'S JUST DETRIMENTAL TO EVERYTHING THAT WE DO AND EVERYTHING THAT WE ARE WITH ALL OF OUR BONDING AND ALL OF OUR, PROTECTION. IF A STORM COMES AND I REMEMBER THE 2004 STORMS THAT WE HAD TO DIP INTO THE RESERVES FOR TEN, $15 MILLION. I REMEMBER THOSE TIMES. SO, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, SORRY TO ASK, HOW MUCH IS IN THERE? THAT'S, THAT WAS MORE OF MY COMMENT THAN ANYTHING ELSE. 
          SO, LOBBYIST, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT LOBBYISTS. OKAY. SO WE, WE, THAT'S ON THE CUT LIST. I REMEMBER COMING HERE BACK IN 2018 AND WE HAD ONE LOBBYIST THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, GOOD OLD BOY AND HE DID A GREAT JOB. I LOVED JERRY, I REALLY DID MAKE HIM. MAY HE REST IN PEACE. BUT ONCE WE BROUGHT ON ANOTHER LOBBYIST, WE BROUGHT IN MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, ABSOLUTELY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. AND SO THE CONVERSATION THOUGH, DURING THE, DURING THE ONE ON ONES WERE, HOW CAN WE PROVE THAT THE LOBBYISTS ACTUALLY BROUGHT THAT MONEY INTO THE CITY? WELL, IT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GET NOTHING ONE YEAR AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU GET 10 MILLION THE FOLLOWING YEAR AND YOU GOT A NEW LOBBYIST. I THINK IT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS. SO I WOULD LIKE TO ADVOCATE THAT WE KEEP OUR LOBBYISTS UP FOR THIS YEAR. IT'S, IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS. YOU KNOW, WHERE WE WANT TO. THAT'S FIVE GRAND A MONTH PLUS EXPENSES. SO $60,000 A YEAR. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT'S GOING TO COME FROM, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN TRY AND FIGURE THAT OUT. 
          EDC, I SAY NO, I SAY NO TO THE EDC. I MEAN, THEY DO A GREAT JOB. WE DO WE GET BETTER OPPORTUNITY OUT OF THE AIRPORT THAN WE DO FROM THE CITY FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION. AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO BE PART OF THAT ORGANIZATION ANY LONGER, OTHER THAN TO BE THEIR BACKDROP OF BEST, CHAMBER. I'LL GO WITH THE I'LL GO WITH THE MAYOR AT THIS POINT. RIGHT NOW, I DON'T DISAGREE, BUT I DON'T AGREE. BUT THERE IS A LOT OF GRAY MATTER THERE AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED WITH THE, WITH THE CHAMBER, I'M STILL HAVING A HARD TIME WITH WHAT WE GET FOR FOUR GRAND, WHAT WE DON'T GET FOR FOUR GRAND. WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION LAST NIGHT. YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY MURKY AND I DON'T APPRECIATE THAT I REALLY DON'T. SO WHO'S GOING WHO'S NOT GOING? WHO GETS PAID FOR? WHO DOESN'T GET PAID FOR? WHAT DO WE GET WHAT WE DON'T GET. YEAH. SO I MEAN THAT'S GOT TO BE CLARIFIED. CLARIFIED IF I'M GOING TO IF WE'RE GOING TO CUT A CHECK FOR FOUR GRAND EVERY YEAR, WE BETTER DAMN WELL KNOW WHAT WE'RE GETTING FOR THAT FOUR GRAND. ALL RIGHT. WHETHER WE GET A PARTICIPANT, WHETHER YOU'RE GOING, WHETHER YOU'RE GOING, WHETHER I'M GOING, IT DOESN'T MATTER, YOU KNOW, TO THE RETREAT, THE ELIMINATION OF 17 POSITIONS. OKAY. SO ARE THOSE 17 POSITIONS ALREADY FUNDED OR ARE THEY ALREADY NOT FUNDED? AND WE'RE JUST ELIMINATING THEM OFF THE BOOKS. 
          IT'S A MIXTURE. OKAY. SO SO THE MIXTURE COMES DOWN TO HOW MUCH MONEY WE ELIMINATED, WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN ROUGHLY $1.2 MILLION WORTH OF FUNDING FOR POSITIONS THAT IDEALLY WE WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE FILLED. BUT UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAVE BEEN CHRONICALLY VACANT. SO WE 
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FUNDED FOR $1.2 MILLION OF PEOPLE THAT WE DON'T HAVE. THAT IS GENERALLY HOW, MOST CITIES DO BUDGET THAT WAY. YEAH, NO, I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE'RE ANY DIFFERENT OR ANYTHING ELSE, BUT SO WE'RE ELIMINATING THAT, THAT, THAT THOSE POSITIONS. CORRECT. AND SO THAT $1.2 MILLION IS BACK IN OUR POCKET. AGAIN, IT'S CURRENTLY WHAT HAS ALLOWED YOU TO BALANCE THE BUDGET AT THE ROLLBACK RATE. I'M I'M, I'M A NUMSKULL. YOU KNOW, I'M A KNUCKLEHEAD. YOU KNOW, FOR ME, A DOLLAR IS A DOLLAR AND A CENT IS A CENT. SO WHERE DOES THAT $1.2 MILLION GO TO WHEN WE ELIMINATE THOSE POSITIONS? SO WHEN JUSTICE, WOULD YOU MIND SWITCHING BACK AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE. I KNOW AND I DON'T KNOW, MR. LEW. SO WE'VE HAD SALARY SAVINGS THAT WE'VE USED BEFORE, EVEN ON THE POINT DURING COVID THAT WE GAVE THE BONUSES AND STUFF, ALL THAT CAME FROM THE OKAY, FROM THE SALARY SAVINGS OF NOT HAVING THOSE EMPLOYEES IN THOSE POSITIONS. ALL RIGHT. THOSE ARE DONE. SO $1.2 MILLION IS BACK IN OUR POCKET FOR THIS YEAR. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? IF WE ELIMINATE THAT, GENERALLY SPEAKING, IF YOU CAN LOOK AT THIS THIS SLIDE, A LOT OF WHAT WE HAD TO DO IS OFFSET. ALL I SEE IS DAVID NEWMAN UP THERE. 
          OH, I'M TERRIBLY SORRY. THE ONES IN FRONT OF US. I'M JUST JOKING. I THINK IT'S SLIDE. 
          WHICH LINE? WHICH LINE? SO IT'S GOING TO BE A COMBINATION OF EACH OF THE DEPARTMENTS THAT YOU SEE THERE. SO FINANCE AS AN EXAMPLE FOR MY DEPARTMENT, WE ELIMINATED AN ACCOUNTANT POSITION THAT WE VERY MUCH LIKE WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE. BUT THAT 75,000 133 WITH THE ADDITIONAL BENEFITS AND ASSOCIATED THINGS THAT COME WITH EMPLOYMENT WITH THE CITY. 
          WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHERE THIS MONEY WENT, IT'S BASICALLY AFFORDING OUR EXISTING CONTRACTS AND COMMITMENTS IN PRIMARILY THE PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENTS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. 
          THAT'S THAT'S GREAT. I APPRECIATE THAT. THE CONTINGENCY BUDGET, WHAT DID WE HAVE THIS YEAR? WHAT ARE WE? I THOUGHT WE HAD ABOUT 100,000 IN 216,000 WAS IN 2026. BUT YOU MENTIONED 216,000 TONIGHT. IT IS 216,000, I APOLOGIZE. YES. ALL RIGHT. MY MISTAKE MEANING MEANING IN OTHER WORDS, FOR 2026, WHEN WE STARTED THIS YEAR OFF, WE HAD $216,000 AVAILABLE FOR UNFORESEEN ISSUES IN EACH DEPARTMENT THAT WEREN'T BUDGETED FOR. HOW MUCH DO WE HAVE STILL IN THERE? 000. OKAY, SO WE'VE USED THE CONTINGENCY. SO ARE YOU. ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT WE ELIMINATE A CONTINGENCY BUDGET? THAT IS MY RECOMMENDATION TO GO WITH THE ROLLBACK RATE. HOW DO WE FILL THOSE THAT 216,000 THAT WE FILLED THIS PAST YEAR, THAT WE NEEDED THAT CONTINGENCY. THEN IT BECOMES VERY MUCH A WANT VERSUS NEED ACROSS ALL DEPARTMENTS, INCLUDING ANY PUBLIC SAFETY REQUESTS AND THE LIKE. THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WHEN WE'RE APPROACHED WITH AND GIVEN AN IDEA, IT'S A GREAT IDEA. BUT IF IT'S AN INCREASE IN LEVEL OF SERVICE, WE CAN'T DO IT AT THIS POINT. I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND DOING ANYTHING LIKE, FOR LACK OF A BETTER OPTION FOR THIS. IF WE HAVE THE OPTION OF INSTALLING A BRAND NEW PLAYGROUND OR REPLACING A PLAYGROUND THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, YOU WANT TO REPLACE THE PLAYGROUND YOU ALREADY HAVE. IF YOU INCREASE THE NUMBER OF PLAYGROUNDS YOU HAVE BY INSTALLING A BRAND NEW ONE, THAT'S JUST ANOTHER ONE WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO FUND TO, TO REPLACE, RIGHT? SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THINGS FOR CONTINGENCY, AND OFTENTIMES IT'S SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS AN AC WENT IN A BUILDING OR SOMETHING OF THAT EFFECT. IF WE NEED TO WORK ON, IDENTIFYING THOSE FUNDS WITHIN THE BUDGETS, IT'S, IT'S GOING TO BE FORCING DEPARTMENTS TO LIVE WITHIN THEIR MEANS. GOT IT. OKAY. SO IF I CAN, CAN I JUST ADD TO THAT ONE? SO THE OTHER THING, LIKE IF WE HAVE A, A DRAINAGE PIPE FAILURE AND LIKE PART OF THE ROAD COLLAPSES, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PROBABLY LOOK WITHIN OUR CURRENT CIP PROJECTS AND SEE WHICH ONES AREN'T, AREN'T NECESSARY TODAY AND HAVE TO TAKE FROM EXISTING PROJECT FUNDS IN ORDER TO FUND AN EMERGENCY. WELL, AND AS WE'VE SEEN, MANY ARE OVERFUNDED AND MANY ARE UNDERFUNDED, YOU KNOW, DURING THE COURSE OF THE YEAR. SO WE DON'T KNOW, WE OVERESTIMATE, WE UNDERESTIMATE, I MEAN, JUST THE NATURE OF THE BEAST. AND TO THAT POINT, IF YOU DON'T, IF YOU'LL ALLOW ME TO, TO MAKE MAKE ONE COMMENT. SURE. OF COURSE, I KNOW A LOT GETS MADE OUT OF THE IDEA OF WHEN YOU DO A CONSERVATIVE BUDGET. WE ARE FIDUCIARY IN CHARGE OF TAXPAYER MONEY. THE LONG STANDING TRADITION HAS BEEN TO BUDGET CONSERVATIVELY IN A MANNER THAT, LET'S SAY, FOR INSTANCE, IF I BUDGET A REVENUE STREAM FOR A MILLION, BUT IT COMES IN AT 1,000,002, SO THAT TWO GOES IMMEDIATELY INTO SOMETHING CAPITAL ONE TIME RELATED, SO THAT WE CAN DEFRAY AND DEFER THE AMOUNTS OF DEBT THAT WE HAVE TO GO INTO FOR THOSE CAPITAL NEEDS IN THE FUTURE. SO THE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE THING THAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST WAS ALWAYS HAVE SOME LEVEL OF CONTINGENCY, SOME LEVEL OF CONSERVATIVE BUDGETING APPROACH IN THIS, I'M TELLING YOU, TO GET TO THIS POINT, EVEN AT ROLLBACK, A LOT OF THAT HAS BEEN ELIMINATED TO THE POINT WHERE, AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT THE GOLF COURSES FUND. IF THE PRICE OF FERTILIZER SPIKES WERE THE ANYTHING THAT GOES AS INPUTS TO THEIR PROCESSES SPIKE, THEY MAY RUN A DEFICIT THIS YEAR IF ANYONE WAS GOING TO DO IT. 
          THAT'S MY FEAR. THE GENERAL FUND IS NOT EXACTLY IN THE SAME BOAT JUST YET. BECAUSE WE DO HAVE ADDITIONAL POSITIONS WE COULD ELIMINATE, BUT IT'S IT'S VERY FAR AND FEW BETWEEN. IS IT SMART TO NOT HAVE ANY CONTINGENCY, THOUGH, AT ALL IS WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING? MY HOPE IS THAT WHEN WE GO THROUGH THIS YEAR, YOU'RE GOING TO EXPERIENCE SOME LEVEL OF, YOU 
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KNOW, POSITIVE VARIANCES FROM ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. I'M JUST SAYING THE LIKELIHOOD OF THAT IS GOING TO BE SMALLER KIND OF TO THE TUNE OF THE PRE 2021, 2020 TIME FRAME, WHERE WHEN WE HAD THE THIRD QUARTER BUDGETS IN THE PAST, WE WOULD RECOMMEND MAYBE 100, $200,000 OF PROJECTS. 
          YOU KNOW, THE LAST FEW YEARS WHEN THINGS WERE MOVING MUCH FASTER AND MORE RAPID THAN THE GOVERNMENT TENDS TO MOVE, WE USED THAT, THAT EXCESS MONEY IN THOSE THOSE CONTINGENCIES TO BASICALLY BUILD FIRE STATION 72. WELL, I'M FEARFUL THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WE DON'T WE CAN'T MOVE THE MONEY FROM ONE TO THE OTHER. WE COULD ALWAYS DO A BUDGET ADJUSTMENT, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS WHAT KEVIN SUGGESTED WITH, WITH THE COUNCIL, NOT TO PICK ON KEVIN AT ALL, BUT I'M JUST USING THAT AS AN EXAMPLE. BUT WE CAN DO BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT EVERYTHING ELSE AND BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS, BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS COMES DOWN TO TAKING, TAKING PETER TO PAY PAUL IS WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO. SO ANYWAY, THAT'S MY CONCERN IS THE CONTINGENCY. IF WE DON'T HAVE A LITTLE BIT IN OUR BACK POCKET, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN OUR BACK POCKET. AND YOU MAY SEE STAFF COME. AND I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE STAFF THAT WILL COME, COME AFTER ME. BUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU REACH MAYBE THE FIRST QUARTER OR SECOND QUARTER, IF THERE ARE POSITIVE VARIANCES, THEY MAY RECOMMEND THAT YOU'RE NOT FUNDING ANYTHING OTHER THAN CONTINGENCY JUST FOR THOSE UNFORESEEN ISSUES. OKAY. IMPACT FEES WE HAVE READ ABOUT THE COUNTY HAS INCREASED IMPACT FEES FOR THEIR DEVELOPERS AND EVERYTHING ELSE BY 47%. YES. 
          WHAT ARE WE DOING ABOUT THAT? I HAVE DATA REQUESTS IN FROM ALL THE DEPARTMENTS, AND I'M TRYING TO GET THAT OVER TO THE CONSULTANT FOR OUR PURPOSES. THAT CONVERSATION THE OTHER DAY ON OUR ONE ON ONE, I WILL ADMIT I AM A BIT BEHIND SCHEDULE. I THINK, TRYING TO BALANCE THE DEMANDS OF THIS POSITION AS WELL AS MY, MY FUTURE HAS, HAS BEEN A BIT DIFFICULT, ESPECIALLY WITH THE BUDGET THAT HAS BEEN THIS CHALLENGING. BUT I AM GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT DOES NOT DROP, IN MY ABSENCE IN ANY WAY. IT'S WE WENT BACK BEFORE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO SUBSIDIZE OUR DEVELOPERS. WE DON'T WANT TO SUBSIDIZE ANYBODY TAXPAYER DOLLARS OR TAXPAYER DOLLARS, AND THEY SHOULD BE USED FOR EXACTLY THAT AND NOT SUBSIDIZE A DEVELOPER, LENNAR H. WHOEVER, WHOEVER, WHOEVER, WHATEVER. WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE. RIGHT. SO, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY PAYS THEIR FAIR DUE, YOU KNOW, THEIR FAIR PROCESS. AND WE COME ACROSS OPPORTUNITIES AND CHALLENGES THAT, OUR WATER, SEWER, ROADS. 
          I MEAN, COME ON, WE CAN'T EVEN KEEP UP WITH, WITH THE, WITH THE PAVING PROCESS AT THIS POINT WE'RE CUTTING BACK ON THAT ACTUALLY IS WHAT I'M SEEING, YOU KNOW, TO THE SO FOR THE PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PROGRAM AND FORGIVE ME, I'M BOUNCING BETWEEN THE TWO, VERSIONS OF THIS 4.5. SO WE ORIGINALLY HAD UNDER A NO PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PROGRAM FUND. IT WAS COMING FROM WHATEVER DREGS WOULD COME OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND ONCE WE PAID ALL THE BILLS AND ALL THAT STUFF. LAST YEAR WHEN WE DID OUR TAX INCREASE, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE LONG STANDING NEEDS AND HEALTH OF THE CITY WAS BEING ADDRESSED, WHICH COUNCIL WISELY WENT WITH, JENNY JENNY'S RECOMMENDATION AND STAFF'S, WHICH WAS TO ESTABLISH THESE TWO CAPITAL PROJECTS, FUNDS WITH DEDICATED FUNDING. SO LAST YEAR WHEN WE DID THIS DEDICATED FUNDING, IT WAS $4.1 MILLION THIS YEAR DUE TO JUST THE GENERAL ACCRETION OF VALUE FOR PROPERTIES. YOU'RE SEEING IT AT 4.14759529. SO IN THE PAST WHEN WE WOULD HAVE A FLAT DOLLAR FIGURE, IT NEVER GREW. WE HAVE THIS. IT'S GROWING. MAYBE NOT AT THE RATE THAT WE MIGHT HOPE FOR, BUT IT'S STILL SOMETHING THAT WE'VE PRESERVED AND WILL CONTINUE TO GROW THROUGH THROUGH THE FUTURE. 
          WELL, I HOPE SO. I REALLY DO. AND, YOU KNOW, ON MY EXIT ON PARTICULARLY, SO REALLY NOT CONCERNED ABOUT, THE OTHER CITIES AND WHAT THEIR MILLAGE RATES ARE. WHAT FITS US. I KNOW YOU'RE ASKING FOR ROLLBACK. I KNOW IT'S GOING TO TAKE A MAJORITY RULE TO INCREASE BEYOND ROLLBACK. BUT I MEAN WHAT, WHAT SETTLES THE DEBT. WHAT, WHERE, WHERE DO WE GO FROM FROM HERE. I MEAN, OTHER THAN TO KEEP GOING BACKWARDS AND FORWARDS AND BACKWARDS ROSS I. I'M SORRY YOU'RE LEAVING, I REALLY AM. I LOVE YOU TO DEATH, MAN, I REALLY DO. BUT WHAT DO WE DO NEXT AFTER YOU'RE GONE AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL IS GOING TO HAPPEN. SO RIGHT NOW, IF WE GO BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND AS A, YOU KNOW, A WHOLE WHEN WHEN REVENUES AND EXPENDITURES ARE INCREASING, YOU KNOW, THIS YEAR, THE WHOLE FUNDS INCREASING BY 2 MILLION. 
          THE HEAVY LIFTING THAT WAS DONE BY THAT WAS A, WAS A POSITIVE VARIANCE FROM AN ELECTRIC REVENUE THAT THAT STAFF DID NOT FORESEE. SO WE GOT BAILED OUT BY THE IDEA THAT THERE WAS AN ADDITIONAL SET OF SURCHARGES THAT CAME IN HIGHER THAN WE EXPECTED ON EVERYONE'S FLORIDA POWER AND LIGHT BILLS. SO WHEN YOU LOOK FORWARD AND THINK ABOUT THIS REVENUE GROWTH MOVING FORWARD, YOU DO HAVE RELATIVELY TEPID REVENUE GROWTH. SO THE ONLY OPTION THAT YOU'VE EVER HAD IN, IN YOUR BACK POCKET THAT YOU HAVE CONTROL OVER, BECAUSE WE DO CHARGE THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT FOR FRANCHISE FEES AND UTILITY TAXES ON YOUR ELECTRIC, ON YOUR GAS, ON YOUR SOLID WASTE. BUT THERE IS IS PROPERTY TAX. THEY'RE ALL DOWN. YEAH. PROPERTY TAX. YEAH. AND 
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THE UNFORTUNATE REALITY IS, IS THAT THE YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE THE AMENDMENT TO CONSIDER THAT WILL BE ON THE NOVEMBER BALLOT DEPENDING ON THE OUTCOME OF THAT COURT CASE. BUT EVEN WITHOUT THAT HAPPENING, IF WE'RE NOT HAVING THE NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT'S TAXABLE IN THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO PUT PRESSURE ON THE EXISTING RATEPAYERS TO MAINTAIN THE CURRENT LEVEL OF SERVICE, LET ALONE ANY INCREASED LEVEL OF SERVICE. AND THAT'S WHERE WE COME DOWN TO WHERE WE HAVE TO THINK COLLECTIVELY AS TO DO WE SHED PROPERTIES THAT WE DON'T, THAT WE DON'T USE ANYMORE? DO WE RENT OUT OR LEASE OUT PROPERTIES? THAT THERE'S A LITANY OF THINGS WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS LIST AND I DON'T WANT TO BORE EVERYBODY WITH, WITH ALL THE STUFF THAT WE TALKED ABOUT FOR THREE HOURS, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY. BUT THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS. I APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, YOUR SOLID AND HONEST ANSWERS AND I'M SORRY IF I GOT A LITTLE, HOT UNDER THE COLLAR OF SORTS, BUT IT'S, IT'S SERIOUS BUSINESS. I MEAN, THIS IS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 9000 PEOPLE THAT WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR IN THIS CITY AND TO GROW IT AND TO DO EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE BEST SERVICES, THE BEST CHALLENGES THAT WE CAN COME ACROSS TO SOLVE THEM. SO I GET A LITTLE EMOTIONAL WHEN IT COMES TO THE BUDGET. YOU KNOW, THAT WE'VE WORKED TOGETHER FOR THE PAST FOUR YEARS ON THIS BUDGET, YOU KNOW, ON THESE BUDGETS. AND SO I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TOLERANCE. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. I REALLY DO, VICE MAYOR. GOOD MAN. ARE WE SAVING THE BEST FOR LAST? YES. OKAY. JUST MAKING. SORRY. NO. YOU'RE FINE. AS ALWAYS, I'VE BEEN LISTENING TO EVERYBODY AND EVERYBODY PRETTY MUCH HAS BROUGHT UP SOMETHING THAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT, EXCEPT FOR THE ONLY OTHER THING I HAD BEFORE I SUM IT UP IN MY MIND IS WITH ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT ARE ON THE CHOPPING BLOCK, IN ORDER TO FREE UP SOME MONEY IN THE FUTURE. AND I THINK, MISS HANLEY, YOU HAVE BROUGHT THIS UP NUMEROUS TIMES IS WE NEED TO GO OUT AND GET THAT STATE, THOSE STATE DOLLARS, THOSE FEDERAL DOLLARS. AND TO YOUR POINT, MR. LARUSSO, THAT'S WHERE OUR LOBBYISTS WOULD COME INTO PLAY, IS TO HELP US GET THAT THOSE DOLLARS TO FREE UP SOME OF OUR GENERAL FUND DOLLARS. SO THAT'S JUST, JUST THROWING THAT ONE OUT THERE. BUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE LOBBYISTS AT THE 6000, THE SUMMER CAMPS AT 150 000, THE CHAMBER AT 4000, THESE ARE JUST THINGS THAT EVERYBODY HAS BROUGHT UP SO FAR. THE DOWNTOWN O'GALLEY. I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT THE DOWNTOWN MELBOURNE. IF WE THAT IF WE PAY INTO THAT, RIGHT. IF WE'RE DOING ONE, SHOULDN'T WE KNOW BECAUSE IT'S CRA MONEY. RIGHT? THE DOWNTOWN GETS MONEY FROM THE CRA. DOWNTOWN MELBOURNE GETS MONEY. THEY GET THE MONEY FROM THE. SO WE DON'T PUT IN ANY EXTRA DOLLARS. NO, IT'S NOT FROM GRANTS. RIGHT. NOT SO THE DOWN THE THE MELBOURNE MAIN STREET PROGRAM GETS FUNDS GRANTED THROUGH THE DOWNTOWN MELBOURNE CRA. SO IT'S NOT GOING TO SHOW UP ON THE GENERAL FUND. WE DID NOT DO THAT WITH THE GALLEY IS BECAUSE WE'RE BUILDING THE PARKING GARAGE. SO THAT TOOK THAT MONEY AWAY. CORRECT. THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT. YES. RIGHT. IT'S ALL COMING BACK TO ME NOW. YEAH. I LIKE THE IDEA, MR. ROUSSEAU, OF SHEDDING PROPERTIES THAT WE DON'T USE, DON'T NEED, DON'T, YOU KNOW, ONE THAT COMES TO MIND IS THAT ONE OFF SERRANO THAT WE WERE GOING TO DONATE TO PROVIDENCE PLACE, RIGHT? LIKE, WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH THAT PROPERTY? YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT, THAT MIGHT PAY FOR THE LOBBYIST. DO WE CLAW BACK MONEY FROM WHAT WE DETERMINED THAT PROVIDENCE PLACE SHOULD GET? SHOULD WE GIVE THEM ONLY 2 MILLION INSTEAD OF 3 MILLION? CAN WE. I'M JUST SAYING IT OUT LOUD. THAT'S RIGHT. I JUST SAY SOMETHING OUT LOUD. IT BECOMES. IF I MAY ONLY KNOW THE WAY TO REALLY FUND THIS IS. AND YOU KNOW, WITH THIS, THE EVENTS THAT YOU HAD BROUGHT UP, WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT THE FIREWORKS AND WE'RE, YOU KNOW, THE 4TH OF JULY AND THE THINGS THAT THE CITIZENS REALLY ENJOYING THAT CITIZENS. ONE OF THE REASONS THAT BRINGS PEOPLE DOWN INTO MELBOURNE, THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT IT PAINS ME TO SAY, LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET RID OF THEM. BUT THE ONLY WAY TO FIX THIS IS TO EITHER GET MONEY FROM THE STATE SLASH FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, OR RAISE THE TAXES, OR INSTITUTE THE FIRE FEES, OR A COMBINATION OF ALL THREE. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT OUT LOUD ON THE DAIS, AND I THINK THAT'S A PERFECT COMMENT. THANK YOU, I REALLY DO. YEP. OKAY. WE AND I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THE CRA, THE EAU GALLIE, THE DIRECTOR, I, NOTHING WOULD MAKE ME HAPPIER THAN TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE'RE IN A POSITIVE MOTION. YOU DON'T TAKE AWAY MARKETING WHEN YOU'RE SUCCEEDING. WHEN YOU'RE SUCCEEDING, YOU ADD MORE MARKETING DOLLARS TO IT. BUT YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S FOR THE WISDOM OF THIS COUNCIL. YOU KNOW, AND YOU KNOW, WHAT DO WE DO? HOW DO WE DO IT? WHERE DO WE GET IT FROM? YOU KNOW, I'VE 
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GOT A LITTLE FUND THAT I THINK THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU TAP. BUT YOU KNOW, WHAT THE HELL, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FIREWORKS AND WE'VE TALKED WITH JENNY AND ALL THAT GOING DOWN TO, FRONT STREET IS VERY EXPENSIVE BECAUSE WE'VE GOT TO BUS EVERYBODY IN. WE GOT TO PAY FOR THAT. AND WE'VE, AND I WOULD, I KNOW THAT WE HAD THE ONE ON ONE. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT GOING BACK TO, WE DID IT ONE TIME AT THE MALL OR GOING AT WHERE WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE PAYING AS MUCH NOW WE STILL, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT WAS 240 000, YOU KNOW, $240,000. I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE KIND OF BASED IT ON. YES. I DON'T WANT TO GIVE IT UP, BUT YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE COULD MOVE IT TO SOMEPLACE ELSE AND IT WOULD BE CHEAPER TO RUN. WE WOULDN'T HAVE AS MUCH IN THERE. LET'S SEE WHAT WE HAVE GOING FORWARD IN THE ADJUSTMENTS THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO THAT. OKAY. IF THAT WORKS WITH EVERYBODY WE CAN LOOK AT DON'T HAVE ANYBODY ON STAFF ANYMORE TO RUN THEM. WELL, I, I UNDERSTAND, BUT WE MIGHT HAVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE, YOU KNOW, WORK DIFFERENTLY THAN WE HAVE IN THE PAST WITH THAT, WITH CERTAIN STAFF MEMBERS. I KNOW GINA WAS IN THERE. SHE'S NO LONGER THERE AND WE, BUT, WE MIGHT LOOK AT IT A WHOLE LOT DIFFERENTLY. WE MIGHT HAVE TO DO IT HERE AS A COUNCIL, DO A LOT MORE TALKING. 
          BUT IT WOULD BE MAYBE A CHEAPER, I DON'T BECAUSE WE WERE TRYING TO COME UP WITH THE NUMBERS THAT WHEN THEY HAD IT AT THE, MALL AND, AND I, YOU KNOW, WOULD WE HAVE TO BE PAID, YOU KNOW, WE STILL HAVE TO PAY FOR THE FIREWORKS AND WE STILL WOULD HAVE SOME POLICE, BUT WOULD WE HAVE AS MUCH, YOU KNOW, OVERTIME AND THINGS LIKE THAT AT $240,000. BUT I DON'T THINK RIGHT NOW WE CAN SAY, WE'LL PUT THIS IN HERE, PUT THAT, LET'S PUT THIS BACK IN THERE, PUT THAT BACK IN THERE, AND THEN. BUT SOMETHING ELSE HAS GOT TO GO. BUT MY FEAR IS THAT WE TAKE AWAY THE SUMMER CAMPS. WE TAKE AWAY THE FIREWORKS, WE TAKE AWAY EVERYTHING. THAT'S THAT IS MELBOURNE. I UNDERSTAND. I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA EITHER, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, I'M JUST SAYING THAT WE COULD LOOK AT, I DON'T KNOW. I WAS WITH MY VOICE, BUT WE CAN LOOK AT NOT HAVING IT AT FRONT STREET AND LOWERING THE COST. FIND A CHEAPER OPTION, CHEAPER OPTIONS. I MEAN, IT'S STILL THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. I MEAN, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, BUT WE STILL GOT TO LOOK AT THE MONEY, BUT WE STILL GOT TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE MONEY'S COMING FROM. WHERE DO WE WANT, YOU KNOW, WHAT ELSE DO WE WANT TO CUT SOMEWHERE ELSE? PROBABLY THE CONVERSATION FOR ITEM FOUR. AND AT THIS POINT, COUNCIL, I DO WANT TO MAKE MAKE NOTE THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WHEN WE WERE GETTING TO THIS POINT IN THE PROCESS AND HOW DIFFICULT IT WAS TO GO THROUGH AND MAKE SOME OF THOSE CUTS THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING AND TRYING TO REINSTATE, GENERALLY, THE EASIEST PLACE TO, TO DO ANYTHING AT THIS POINT WOULD BE TO ELIMINATE ADDITIONAL POSITIONS. AND WHILE THERE MAY BE, YOU KNOW, SOME VACANCIES THAT WE SOLVED, I HAVE TO FILL HIS POSITION. HOLD ON, HOLD ON. NO! YOU'RE FIRED. I'M FIRED. 
          HOWEVER, THE IDEA BEING THAT THE IDEA BEING THAT WE ARE DOWN TO THE POINT OF REALLY CUTTING INTO WHAT IS MORE PERSONNEL RELATED COSTS THAN ANYTHING ELSE. SO, I WAS THAT WE'D BE LAYING OFF PEOPLE. WE'RE APPROACHING THAT POINT. I DON'T WANT TO I DON'T WANT TO SUGARCOAT ANYTHING. YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS THINGS, THERE'S NOT MANY OTHER THINGS IN THE BUDGET THAT ARE AT THAT VALUE OR VOLUME. WE ARE PERSONAL. I MEAN, STAFF IS THE HIGHEST CONTEXT OF ANY BUSINESS PERSON. EMPLOYEES, PERIOD, END OF PARAGRAPH. THAT'S THE HIGHEST COST OF ANY BUSINESS. IT ALWAYS HAS BEEN, ALWAYS WILL BE. I MEAN, IN MY WORLD THAT I'VE SEEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU WANT TO CREATE GREATER WEALTH IN YOUR COMPANY, YOU ELIMINATE STAFF. SO JUST THAT'S PERSONAL. JUST TO REITERATE THE POINT, THOUGH, IF COUNCIL IS GOING TO GO THROUGH AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT MAKES MOST SENSE TO GO THROUGH WITH THE SAME TYPE OF CONSENSUS METHODOLOGY AS YOU APPROACHED WITH SUMMER CAMP, FOR THINGS LIKE THE EDC CHAMBER, THE LOBBYIST, ML BOOM. MY RECOMMENDATION TO YOU IS IF YOU ARE ADDING THOSE THINGS BACK IN, THERE IS A COMMISERATE CUT TO YOUR, EMPLOYEES, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY THROUGH INITIALLY VACANT POSITIONS. AND I CAN TELL YOU, I'VE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE PROBABLY NOT AS SAD TO SEE ME LEAVE. FROM THE POSITIONS WE HAVE CUT FROM THE DEPARTMENTS, AND WHETHER OR NOT OUR OPERATIONS MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT LEVEL OF SERVICE AS A RESULT OF THAT. LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION, CARLOS. MAYOR. YEAH, PLEASE. THANK YOU. TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION IS PURELY ABOUT NOT ABOUT ALL OF THIS THAT'S ON THE SCREEN, BUT IT'S PURELY ABOUT 
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THE THE ROLLBACK, RIGHT. WE CAN ADDRESS EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THESE INDIVIDUALLY OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEAR OR WE CANNOT BECAUSE THE ROLLBACK WILL DETERMINE OUR FUNDING, WILL DETERMINE WHAT STAYS IN AND WHAT STAYS OUT. WELL I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT, THAT WE CAN'T GO BACK IN TWO MONTHS FROM NOW AND SAY, OH, WELL, I WANT, YOU KNOW, I WANT THE, EGAD, MAIN STREET. OKAY, I CAN'T DO IT BECAUSE IT'S DONE. CORRECT, CORRECT, CORRECT. THE ONLY OPTION YOU'D HAVE AT THAT POINT IS CUTTING COSTS ELSEWHERE. CORRECT. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO BE SURE THAT BE CLEAR THAT ALTHOUGH WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALL THESE DIFFERENT, PROJECTS, THAT WE CAN'T GO BACK IN A MONTH OR TWO OR 3 OR 6 MONTHS FROM NOW AND SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, I'VE DECIDED I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT ANYMORE. SO I'D RATHER BRING IT BACK IN AGAIN. WELL, AND I DO WANT TO POINT OUT, LIKE I SAY THIS, ON OCCASION WHEN PEOPLE SAY, DO WE HAVE MONEY TO DO THIS? DO WE HAVE MONEY TO DO THAT? EVERY BUDGET OF ANY SIZE OF ORGANIZATION IS GOING TO HAVE VARIANCES, WHETHER THAT'S POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE FROM ANY REVENUE OR ANY EXPENDITURES. THE HOPE IS, IN MOST CASES, YOU HAVE POSITIVE VARIANCES THAT YOU CAN PUT TO BETTER USE SOMEWHERE ELSE. MOST OFTENTIMES IN THE WAY THAT WE'VE APPROACHED IT, IS ONE TIME CAPITAL COST FOR THE PURPOSES OF DEFRAYING AND DEFERRING DEBT TO MAINTAIN OUR FISCAL RESPONSIBLE STANCE TOWARDS EVERYTHING. IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE, THAT WERE IN THIS LIST, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THEM, IF YOU THINK ABOUT, AS YOU DESCRIBED THE LOBBYIST POSITION, IT'S $5,000 A MONTH. THAT'S NOT MONEY THAT I CAN FIND ON A QUARTERLY HALFWAY THROUGH THE YEAR TO THEN PAY 60,000 BETWEEN THE AT THAT POINT, AT THE END OF THE YEAR, YOU KNOW SOME OF THOSE. THE BIGGEST THING I CAN STRESS TO TO ANYONE ON COUNCIL, ANYONE IN GOVERNMENT, YOU DON'T WANT TO USE ANYTHING ONE TIME FOR ANYTHING RECURRING AND YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE RECURRING MATCHES, YOU'RE RECURRING, RIGHT? SO LIKE THINGS LIKE SELLING PROPERTIES. GREAT SHOT IN THE ARM GETS YOU SOME MONEY, ALL THAT. BUT YOU CAN'T RESELL THAT PROPERTY AGAIN THE FOLLOWING YEAR, RIGHT? SO YOU'RE ALWAYS GOING TO BE IN A POSITION WHERE YOU WANT TO BALANCE YOUR RECURRING REVENUES AND YOUR RECURRING EXPENDITURES AS CLOSELY AS POSSIBLE, BUT YOU WILL HAVE VARIANCES AT TIMES. 
          SO HERE'S MY THAT'S MY SEGUE INTO MY FINAL COMMENT FOR TONIGHT IS THAT WE HAVE A TOTAL OF, 4100 PROPOSED $4,180 FOR TRAVEL PER DIEM FOR COUNCIL, AND $7,500 FOR TRAINING IN EDUCATION. ALL RIGHT, SO WE'VE SEEN THOSE NUMBERS COME ACROSS OUR OUR TABLE AND WE'VE SEEN THAT THEY'VE BEEN USED. UNAPPROPRIATED. UNPROPORTIONATELY. OKAY. SO WHAT I'M SUGGESTING FOR TONIGHT FOR THE COUNCIL TO, TO CONSIDER IS THAT TAKING THOSE NUMBERS TOGETHER, AND PROPOSING THAT EACH ONE OF US AS A COUNCIL MEMBER HAS $1,668.57 TO SPEND FOR THE YEAR. THAT'S FOR TRAVEL AND THAT'S FOR EDUCATION. AND IF YOU GO OUT OF YOUR REALM, THEN YOU CAN BEG, BORROW AND STEAL FROM ANOTHER COUNCIL MEMBER IF YOU CHOOSE TO. BUT THAT'S THE LIMIT THAT WE LIVE WITHIN BECAUSE WE'RE OVER BUDGET NOW. WE'RE OVER BUDGET IN, IN OUR IN OUR OWN HOUSE OF SORTS, YOU KNOW, AND HOW DO I DO, HOW DO I PAY THE RENT? HOW DO I PAY THE ELECTRIC WHEN I'M OVER BUDGET? SO I PROPOSE I'M PROPOSING TO THE COUNCIL THAT WE ONLY THAT EACH ONE OF US, EXCEPT FOR THE MAYOR. MAYOR GETS AN ADDITIONAL $500. WE GET $3,000 A YEAR IN IN GAS ALLOWANCE, PLUS WE ADD $1,668.57 TO EACH ONE OF US TO BE ABLE TO PROPORTIONALLY USE IN OUR OPPORTUNITIES TO GO TRAVEL, TO GO BE TRAINED, AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT I'M SAYING THAT WE PUT A CAP ON THIS WITHOUT BEING OBNOXIOUS, AND THAT'S THE BEST WAY I CAN PUT IT. SO YOU'RE SAYING PUT THAT TO THE SALARY. I HAVE A HARD I MEAN, HOLD ON, HOLD ON, HOLD ON. WHAT QUESTION I HAVE THOUGH, AND I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THAT. NOW, FOR EXAMPLE, LET'S SAY YOU HAVE A COUNCIL MEMBER THAT'S ON THE TPO, OR THEY HAVE THAT ADDITIONAL DUTY. AND THEY HAVE TO GO TO SOMETHING. HOW DOES ALL THAT FACTOR UP? SO LET'S SAY FOR EXAMPLE, I DON'T TRAVEL, OKAY, BUT I'M ON TPO FOR THE AND SO I'M, I'M CHALLENGED TO HAVE TO GO TO MIAMI FOR A TPO MEETING FOR THIS COUNCIL, FOR THIS CITY. AND SO THAT'S THE MONEY THAT I USE. DO I, IF I GO OVER IT, THEN USE YOUR OWN MONEY. I MEAN, BASICALLY, BOTTOM LINE, WE DO ALL THE TIME AND I DO, WE DO ALL THE TIME. 
          WE USE OUR OWN DARN MONEY ALL THE TIME. AND I DON'T SEE WHY WE SHOULD BE DOING $11,000, $15,000, $18,000, $20,000 IN TRAVEL AND EDUCATION FOR THIS COUNCIL. I DON'T SEE IT. I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. I DON'T AGREE WITH IT. SO I SAY THAT WE LIVE WITHIN OUR BUDGET. WE LIVE $1,668 EACH PERSON EVERY YEAR. AND THAT'S IT. PERIOD. END OF PARAGRAPH. AND JUST TO 
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PIGGYBACK ON THAT JUST A LITTLE BIT, THANK YOU. MAYOR. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ADVOCACY AND THE STATE, THE LEAGUE OF CITIES HAS AN ADVOCACY COMMITTEE, ANY ONE OF US CAN BE ON THAT ADVOCACY COMMITTEE, AND THE LEAGUE OF CITIES WILL PAY FOR YOUR TALLAHASSEE TRIP. AND LET ME LET ME BRING THAT UP AS WELL, TOO. IS THAT ANY DISCOUNT WE HAVE A POLICY THAT HAS NOT BEEN FOLLOWED IS THAT ANYBODY TRAVELS OUT OF THIS STATE HAS TO BE APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL, BECAUSE ANYBODY THAT TRAVELS, ANYBODY ON THIS BOARD TRAVELS OUT OF THE STATE IS HIM OR THE MAYOR PER SE HIM HER. THEY, SO, WHATEVER THAT MAY LOOK LIKE AND WE APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE, BUT IT APPEARS THAT WE ARE JUST WILLY NILLY. AND I HATE THAT TERM, YOU KNOW, BUT I MEAN, PEOPLE ARE JUST PICKING UP AND GOING TO DC, GOING TO, TO TALLAHASSEE FOR NO OBVIOUS REASON WHATSOEVER THAT HAS NOT COME BEFORE THIS COUNCIL. I WANT TO HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO GET THERE? WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO BRING BACK? WHAT'S THE VALUE IN YOU GOING THERE? I MEAN, I HAVE TO ASK THAT QUESTION EVERY SINGLE DAY OF MY PROFESSIONAL LIFE IN MY BUSINESS. WHAT'S THE VALUE? I DON'T HAVE UNLIMITED MONEY IN MY BUSINESS. WE DON'T HAVE UNLIMITED MONEY IN THIS IN THIS CITY. SO I'M SAYING THAT WE STICK TO $1,668 PER PERSON PER YEAR. AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO GO BEYOND THAT, IT'S ON YOU. OR YOU CAN OR YOU CAN BEG, BORROW AND STEAL. I MEAN, OKAY, I'M, I'M ON THE FAST. I KNOW YOU'RE ON EVERYTHING, MIMI. I KNOW, I KNOW, OKAY, I DO WORK, I DO THINGS FOR THE CITY AND I'M GOING IN THERE AND I ADVOCATE ADVOCACY AND I, WE'RE WORKING WITH, THE SENATE, OUR SENATORS MOODY AND LOOKING AT OTHER OPTIONS FOR MONEY. SO YES, I AM, YOU KNOW, YES, I DID TRAVEL UP THERE. IT'S THE FIRST TIME I'VE EVER DONE IT. I DID MEET WITH THEM. I'M STILL MEETING WITH THEM. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE TODAY OR TOMORROW. WE'RE GOING TO GET THE BENEFITS, JUST LIKE THE LOBBYISTS AREN'T GOING TO GET IT TODAY. IT'S FOR. I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU, MIMI. I DON'T YOU KNOW, I'M NOT I'M WORKING. I'M WORKING. AND I'M TOTALLY GET IT. WE'VE WORKED WITH MOODY THIS WEEK. WE WERE WORKING WITH RICK SCOTT NEXT WEEK AND, I'M NOT SEEING ANYTHING. MIMI. I'M NOT SEEING ANYTHING. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ACTION REPORTS, BUT BUT HERE, HERE'S THE DEAL. HOLD ON, HOLD ON. REGARDLESS, HERE'S THE FACT WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CUTTING OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE SPACE COAST CHAMBER. WHAT IS MORE IMPORTANT RIGHT NOW, THAT KIND OF RELATIONSHIP WITH OUR LOCAL BUSINESS COMMUNITY, WHERE YOU GO AND YOU, YOU LEAST TALK TO THE BUSINESSES AND PEOPLE CAN COME AND ASK WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE CITY. AND YOU KNOW WHAT? WHAT CAN YOU DO TO HELP THEM? OR TRAVELING OUT OF THE AREA TO GET WITH AN ELECTED OFFICIAL, THAT, IN MY OPINION, WE SHOULD BETTER PICK UP THE PHONE AND CALL. THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. 
          SO I KNOW WE NEED TO STAY IN, WE NEED TO STAY HOME AND I, I NEVER PUT HIM AS MAYOR ON SOMETHING GOING OUT OF STATE AND NOT SAYING ANYBODY HAS DONE ANYTHING WRONG. BUT AGAIN, WE WHERE WE NEED TO CUT FIRST IS US, RIGHT? INSTEAD OF US LOOKING AT STAFF AND SAYING, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE CUTTING, YOU'RE CUTTING, YOU'RE CUTTING, BUT WE'RE NOT. THAT'S JUST ALL IT IS. AND IF FROM HERE FORWARD, IT'S NOT WHAT NO ONE DID IN THE PAST, BUT THE FACT IT'S HERE FORWARD. THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT. AND I AND I AGREE WITH YOU. SO THAT'S I'M LOOKING FOR THAT CONSENSUS TONIGHT TO TO LIMIT OURSELVES. LIMIT OURSELVES. HOLD ON MARCUS. 
          LIMIT OURSELVES TO THE $1,668 PER YEAR PER COUNCIL MEMBER AND MAYOR WITH AN ADDITIONAL $500, BECAUSE HE HAS THAT ABILITY TO TO GO THERE AND THERE. SO I'VE NEVER I'VE NEVER. YES OR NO? WELL, I WOULD ASK THAT CHANGE THAT BECAUSE I'VE NEVER SPENT THAT ANYWAY. AND I DON'T EITHER. 
          BUT BUT I'M BEING GENEROUS. I'M TAKING THE MONEY THAT WE, THAT WE HAVE BUDGETED. AND THEN, AND THEN I'D RATHER GIVE THAT FIVE THE $500 YOU'D GIVE ME GIVE IT TO O'GALLEY. I'M JUST SAYING I DON'T I GOT IT, I GOT IT, BUT I MEAN, BUT THAT'S WHAT, BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING FOR. 
          THAT THAT THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR A CONSENSUS OF. OKAY, MISTER. MISTER SMITH, YOU HAD SOMETHING. YES, YES. WE'VE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT THIS POINT AND SORT OF WE BUILT UP TO THIS POINT I, WHAT I, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, ACCOUNTABILITY, I AGREE WITH, BUT ELIMINATION, I, I, I DON'T NECESSARILY AGREE WITH BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF HAVE THIS THING WHERE LIKE THE MAYOR, HE ATTENDS CERTAIN EVENTS, COUNCILMAN RUSSO ATTENDS CERTAIN EVENTS. YOU KNOW, I, I, I TEND TO GO TO LOTS OF EVENTS. SO WE HAVE A MIX KIND OF COUNCIL. BUT I THINK THE OVERALL NARRATIVE IS, YOU KNOW, CUTTING THE BUDGET 
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MAY APPEAR FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE, BUT ELIMINATING, YOU KNOW, THE FACT OF OUR PRESENCE BEING THERE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN REALLY, TRULY MEASURE THAT, BUT WE COULD TRY TO MEASURE THAT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE, THE REPRESENTATION, WHICH, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK WE REALLY FULLY HAVE TRIED TO SAY WHAT, WHAT ARE WE GETTING FOR, YOU KNOW, THE ADVOCACY THAT WE, THAT WE, THAT WE MAKE, WHETHER IT'S AT A TPO MEETING, WHETHER IT'S AT A COUNCIL, DIFFERENT COUNCIL EVENTS, DIFFERENT COUNCIL MEETINGS, WHETHER IT'S AT EVENTS THAT WE ATTEND AND WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, NECESSARILY THERE AS A A PAID COUNCIL MEMBER, BUT WE'RE THERE, BUT WE'RE STILL KNOWN AS MELBOURNE CITY COUNCIL. RIGHT. SO I, I JUST THINK THAT WE, WE SHOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE MINDFUL OF THAT, YOU KNOW, SO I, I DON'T SUPPORT CUTTING COUNCIL MEMBERS OFF OF THE TRAINING, ADVOCACY OR BECAUSE RELATIONSHIPS ARE BUILT AND SOLUTIONS COME FROM RELATIONSHIPS EVEN BEFORE THEY SHOW UP ON THE SPREADSHEET. SO WE CAN'T SAVE A FEW THOUSAND DOLLARS WHILE POTENTIALLY MISSING OUT ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT A RELATIONSHIP COULD BRING. SO THAT THAT'S, THAT'S MY POINT. I GOT IT. WELL, MY, MY QUESTION FOR YOU, MR. SMITH. THEN IF THAT'S THE CASE, HOW DO YOU GET WHERE WE NEED TO GO? I MEAN, WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS WE'RE WE'RE SITTING AT THE DAIS MAKING CUTS. AND I UNDERSTAND YOU DON'T WANT TO MAKE THAT CUT, BUT IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT THE LIST, YOU KNOW, I, I CUT A LOT OF PEOPLE'S CUT. HOW DO YOU SUGGEST WE GET THERE? ADVOCACY IS GREAT, BUT HOW DO YOU GET THERE? HOW DO WE GET BACK TO WHERE WE CAN BE MEMBERS OF THE CHAMBER? I MEAN, BECAUSE THERE'S TWO OPTIONS LAYING OFF STAFF, WHICH I'M I'M NOT LOOKING TO DO, OR TWO, ITEM NUMBER FOUR, ARE WE INCREASING TAXES AND DO WE LEAD BY EXAMPLE? THERE YOU GO. LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION. OKAY. WE'RE SAYING $4,000 FOR THE CHAMBER. IS THERE OTHER. SPONSORS. THAT'S RIGHT. SPONSORSHIP LEVEL. 
          SPONSORSHIP LEVELS. YEAH, THERE PROBABLY ARE. WE'RE STILL ON THE SPONSORSHIP LEVEL. I MEAN, YOU HAVE THE GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY. IT ALL DEPENDS. IT WAS A BRONZE. I'M THERE'S A BRONZE. 
          AND I MEAN, I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T MEAN TO TAKE YOUR. YEAH, YEAH. FROM FROM LAST FROM LAST NIGHT'S COUNCIL MEETING THERE WAS A BRONZE MEMBERSHIP. THAT WAS $2,500 AND IT HAD PROBABLY HALF OF THE UNDERLYING BENEFITS THAT THE SILVER DOES. SO INSTEAD OF TWO MEMBERS AT THE BREAKFAST, IT WAS ONE. AND INSTEAD OF $1,100 IN SPONSORSHIP FUNDS, IT WAS LIKE $500. SO AND THEN THERE WAS THERE WAS THERE WAS ONE EVEN LOWER THAN THAT, I BELIEVE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE, BUT THERE WAS ONE LOWER HAS TO HAVE TEN OR LESS EMPLOYEES. SO WE COULD GO DOWN TO 2500. AND IT WOULD ELIMINATE LOCATIONS LISTED IN DIRECTORY FROM 4 TO 2. 
          AND IT WOULD ONLY GIVE ONE COMPLIMENTARY TICKET TO THE GOOD MORNING SPACE COAST. AND YOU KNOW, OUR OUR SPONSORSHIP LEVEL WOULD GO GO FROM 1100 TO 500. BUT YOU CAN'T SPONSOR MUCH FOR $500 OR EVEN $1,100. THERE'S NO SPONSORSHIP TO BRING PEOPLE INTO THE CITY. I MEAN, THEY'RE ALREADY HERE. WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO DO IN A CHAMBER ENVIRONMENT OTHER THAN TO BE ADVOCATES, YOU KNOW, FOR THE CITY? I MEAN, AM I GOING OUT AND KNOCKING ON SOMEBODY'S DOOR THAT'S IN ROCKLEDGE TO PLEASE COME AND AND JOIN US? WELL, THE PEOPLE IN ROCKLEDGE HAVE ALREADY LEFT THE CITY. YEAH. GRIMALDI'S. FOR EXAMPLE, THEY LEFT DOWNTOWN MELBOURNE AND WENT UP TO ROCKLEDGE AND BUILT A WHOLE NEW PLACE. SO I DON'T I DON'T GET IT, I REALLY DON'T. I SEE THAT WHERE EVERYBODY HAS THEIR THEIR OPINION ABOUT THIS, BUT I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO LIVE WITHIN A BUDGET AND I HAVE TO LIVE WITHIN A BUDGET. MY FAMILY HAS TO LIVE WITHIN A BUDGET, AND WE HAVE TO DO THE SAME DAMN THING. WE HAVE TO WE HAVE TO TAKE IT FOR ONE YEAR AND SEE IF IT SEE THE EFFECT THAT HAPPENS IN ONE YEAR, I'LL BE GONE. I MEAN, YOU GUYS CAN FIGURE IT ALL OUT AFTER, YOU KNOW, AFTER I'M GONE. BUT 16 YEARS HE IS, HE IS GOING TO CUT 100 BUCKS A YEAR. I MEAN, TO, TO DO EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO. SORRY. YOU DON'T GO TO DC. SORRY. YOU DON'T GO TO TO TALLAHASSEE TWICE A YEAR. SORRY. YOU DON'T GO TO EVERY SINGLE BREAKFAST THAT IS OFFERED. YOU JUST COME ON. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, JUST IT GETS RIDICULOUS. ALL RIGHT. SO YOU YOU HAD THAT SUGGESTION. I DID, I DID I, MR. CONNOLLY LET ME OUR CITY ATTORNEY. YOU WANT TO PIPE IN JUST JUST PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE TWO EXISTING COUNCIL POLICIES THAT RELATE TO THE USE AND AUTHORIZATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THE COUNCIL BUDGET, PARTICULARLY THESE TRAVEL AND TRAINING AND EDUCATION ITEMS. AND SO IF THERE'S THIS CONSENSUS TO MODIFY BOTH THE AMOUNTS WITHIN THAT BUDGET, IT 
          [02:10:02]
MAY IT MAY ALSO REQUIRE SOME CHANGES TO THE LANGUAGE ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE THOSE COUNCIL I JUST RIGHT, I JUST, I JUST WANT TO GIVE COUNCIL THAT UNDERSTANDING OF IF, IF THERE'S DIRECTION TO STAFF TO MODIFY WHAT THAT BUDGET LOOKS LIKE AND HOW IT'S STRUCTURED, IT MAY BE TOGETHER WITH PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS TO THOSE COUNCIL POLICIES AS WELL. AND ALSO TO, TO REINSTATE AND MAKE SURE THAT WE FOLLOW THE COUNCIL POLICIES THAT ARE ALREADY IN PLACE, THAT NOBODY LEAVES THIS STATE WITHOUT COUNCIL APPROVAL. PERIOD. END OF PARAGRAPH. YOU CAN'T GO AND SAY, OKAY, I'M GOING TO GO BECAUSE IT'S A VALID PUBLIC, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WHEN I WENT TO DC, WE HAVE TO DO THIS AS A TEAM. WE HAVE TO DO THIS COLLECTIVELY. I WAS APPROVED, I MEAN, I, I, I DON'T CARE IF YOU'RE APPROVED OR NOT APPROVED. YOU DIDN'T APPROVED. YOU WEREN'T APPROVED BY THIS COUNCIL WHO SPENDS THIS MONEY AND BUY THIS CITY. DIDN'T WE VOTE ON IT? YOU WERE APPROVED BY THE WHO? THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES? NO. 
          WE WERE. I WAS APPROVED BY THIS. YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. BUT BUT IT DIDN'T COME BEFORE US. WE DIDN'T APPROVE IT, DID WE? YES IT DID. I BELIEVE IT DID. YEAH. OKAY. MARCUS BROUGHT IT UP. HE SAID HE'S GOING. MRS. MRS. HANLEY, MISS HANLEY SAID THAT SHE WAS GOING. AND THEN MARCUS HAD SAID, WELL I'M GOING AS WELL. AND THEN YOU GOT UPSET THAT HE WAS GOING AS WELL TOO, BECAUSE I REMEMBER WE CAN ROLL THE TAPE BECAUSE I'M ON THE FAST. I WAS ON THE FAST COMMITTEE. NOW YOU GUYS CAN FIGURE IT OUT FOR YOURSELVES. OKAY. I'M I'M EXPLAINING IT TO YOU. OKAY. MR. LARUSSO, I'VE GOT A I GOT ON, I WAS WENT ON AND PUT ON TO THE FAST COMMUNITY. BECAUSE I HAVE APPLIED FOR IT AND I GOT IT THROUGH THE LEAGUE OF CITIES. 
          OKAY. I TRIED ONCE BEFORE. I DIDN'T GET IT THIS TIME. I DID GET IT. BUT WHO SPENT THE MONEY TO SEND YOU? WE HAD IT IN THE CITY, OKAY, BUT WE HAD THE VOTE AND IT WAS IN THE IT WAS IN THE. 
          OKAY, THEN THAT'S MY MISTAKE. ALL RIGHT. WELL, LISTEN, WE'RE GOING TO HOLD ON. SO THAT'S THE CONSENSUS I'M LOOKING FOR. WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD. WELL, JUST A QUICK QUESTION FOR THE CONSENSUS, THOUGH. WHAT HE'S ASKING. THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. 
          I'M SORRY MA'AM. I'M SORRY. THAT'S OKAY. SO THE LEAGUE OF CITIES MEETINGS WOULD THAT BE FALL UNDER THE 1600. AND DO WE WOULD THAT COVER THE EVERYTHING THAT YOU GO ON THE BOARD BREAKFAST OR DINNER OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE. I JUST GO TO THOSE ONE THING A MONTH. WHATEVER YOU DO, WHATEVER YOU DO. OKAY, OKAY. WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT WE HAVE 16, 1700 BUCKS IN OUR POCKET THAT WE CAN SPEND HOWEVER WE WANT TO BASED ON THE VALID PUBLIC OPINIONS OF THAT. THE CITY CLERK HAS DETERMINED. NO, WE HAVE DETERMINED IS IS WHAT IT IS. OKAY, SO THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING NOW. NOW QUESTION. ARE YOU SAYING YOU WANT TO DISPERSE THAT? IS THAT AMOUNT TO A COUNCIL MEMBER AND THEN THEY PAY ON THEIR OWN? NO, I TAKE THAT THEY HAVE UP TO UP TO OKAY. 
          IN THE BUDGET. I'M JUST I'M JUST CLARIFY THAT I UNDERSTAND IT COMES OUT OF THE BUDGET. YOU KNOW, I KNOW HERE'S 1700 BUCKS. GO HAVE FUN. YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF STUFF THAT WOULDN'T WORK. NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT I MEAN. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I'M SURE. OKAY. MISS LAMB, I ARE WE LOOKING FOR CONSENSUS FOR STAFF TO DRAFT OR TO WORK WITH MR. LARUSSO TO DRAFT THOSE NEW POLICIES TO BRING BACK TO A COUNCIL MEETING ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT? THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. I KNOW WE HAVE FOUR RIGHT NOW, BUT IF MISS HANLEY, I JUST. THAT'S FINE. WE HAVE FOUR. I MEAN, WE HAVE WE HAVE FOUR. SO IT HASN'T GONE TO SOME OF THE LEAGUE OF CITY THINGS AND ALL THAT. WE'RE IT'S GOING TO COST US REPRESENTATION. BUT HOW DO YOU MEASURE REPRESENTATION THOUGH. BUT I MEAN THAT'S THE VALID QUESTION. DOLLAR VALUE ON THAT. I MEAN HOW DO YOU MEASURE. I MEAN I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SAY AS OUR MEASURING STICK. PLEASE EXPLAIN THAT TO ME. I'M EXPLAINING IT TO YOU. I'VE ALREADY EXPLAINED IT TO YOU. WELL HOLD ON, HOLD ON, HOLD ON. WE'RE MOVING FORWARD. OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD. IN FACT, IF I HAVE TO LOAN YOU SOME OF THAT MONEY, I CAN LOAN YOU BECAUSE I GO ON MY OWN DIME. AND NORMALLY, ANYWAY, IT DOESN'T MATTER. I WOULD, BUT I TURN OUT IN NOVEMBER. IT'S NOT A COUNTRY CLUB MEMBERSHIP. THAT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY. BUT ANYWAY, MISS LAMB, SO I I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO. I DIDN'T KNOW, DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE DIRECTING ABOUT THE LOBBYIST CHAMBER. EGAD, FIREWORKS, I DON'T KNOW, LIKE WE NEED I THINK I THINK WE'RE. 
          AND THAT THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO ACTUALLY BRING UP. WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW AT, WHICH WILL BE ITEM NUMBER FOUR AS A ROLLBACK RATE. THAT ROLLBACK RATE IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. ARE WE LOOKING. NOW WE HAVE TO DECIDE ARE WE LOOKING TO ADD SOMETHING. 
          BECAUSE IF THAT'S THE CASE THAT CHANGES THE ROLLBACK RATE. THAT CHANGES THAT INCREASES THAT NUMBER WHATEVER. SO WE WE YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO LOSE A LOBBYIST. I UNDERSTAND THAT'S 60 GRAND OR 65, WHATEVER. YOU KNOW, LOSE DOWNTOWN. WE DON'T WANT TO LOSE DOWNTOWN EAU 
          [02:15:02]
GALLIE. ALL THAT IS, IS A, IS A PREMIUM. SO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS WE HAVE TO PUT THAT TOGETHER AND SAY TO OUR STAFF, BECAUSE AS WE GET TO NUMBER FOUR, WE PICK THAT NUMBER, WE CAN'T CHANGE IT. RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHAT, WHAT I NEED YOU GUYS TO, TO KIND OF PUT IN WHAT REALLY, I THINK WE DID A GOOD JOB ON, ON BACKING DOWN OUR SALARIES AND, AND, YOU KNOW, PUTTING IT WHERE IT NEEDS TO GO. BUT THERE ARE A FEW OTHER ITEMS ON THE LIST HERE THAT WE HAVE TO DECIDE, ARE WE GOING TO LIVE WITH OR ARE WE NOT? AND ARE WE GOING TO STAY WITH THE ROLLBACK RATE OR ARE WE NOT? SO REMEMBER THIS KIND OF IT'S ALWAYS BEEN MUDDIED, BUT WE'RE IN THREE. 
          WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO FOUR. SO I NEED EVERYBODY TO DECIDE. THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE YOU WANT BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO COST. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO I AM GOING TO GO TO THANK GOD. THANK GOD. 
          YEAH. SORRY. ALL RIGHT. I WILL BE BACK. SO WHATEVER YOU GUYS DECIDE WHILE I'M GONE FOR THE 30S. YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. DO YOUR THING. WE'RE TIMING. YOU GO. OKAY. NOW YOU'RE SAYING, MAYBE 35. I MEAN, WE'RE LOOKING AT. WE'RE NOT. I'M NOT EVEN LOOKING AT THE CUTS GOING. IF IF THE AMENDMENT THREE HAPPENS. BUT WE'VE GOT TO LOOK AT, LET'S SAY AMENDMENT THREE DOESN'T HAPPEN, BUT WE STILL HAVE TO LOOK AT WHERE THE BUDGET IS RIGHT NOW. OH, YEAH. 
          WE'RE NOT EVEN REALLY KIND OF DISCUSSING ON THAT. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE LIKE, OH MY GOD, OH MY GOD. BUT BUT IF IT DOES, WE'VE GOT TO LEARN TO BACK OFF. 
          BACK OFF, BACK OFF TOO. SO I THINK IT'S WHERE WE'RE AT. THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT. YOU KNOW, I DON'T, MR. SMITH, YOU HAD SOMETHING GOOD, SIR. YEAH. I GOT A QUESTION BECAUSE I KNOW WE JUST DID A HAD A BIG CONVERSATION ABOUT FIRE STATION. WAS THAT 72 RIGHT. IS THAT IMPACTED BY THE THE DIFFERENT BUDGET CUTS AND PROPOSALS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE LAND PURCHASE AND ALL OF THAT? OR WHERE DOES THAT STAND? NO, IT DOES NOT. IT DOES NOT. AND I CAN HAVE ROSS FILL YOU IN A LITTLE MORE. GOOD. SIR. THAT'S A FUNDED PROJECT WITHIN YOUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND. SO IT'S WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE OPERATING BUDGET SPECIFICALLY TO THE GENERAL FUND. FOR THE MOST PART WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MILLAGE RATE SETTING, OF COURSE, WE ARE CONSIDERING THE ENTIRE CITY WIDE BUDGET AT THIS POINT OUTSIDE OF THE AIRPORT. BUT FOR THIS POINT, IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY LOOKING AT WHAT WE HAVE PROPOSED BEFORE YOU ON THE BUDGET BOOK. NO. SO MY QUESTION IS THERE, ARE THERE ANY POTENTIAL SAVINGS THERE OR ANYTHING THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THERE FOR COST CUTTING? OR THAT WE COULD LOOK AT FOR COST CUTTING, I GUESS WERE YOU TO CUT FROM YOUR CAPITAL PLAN, THAT IS A ONE TIME SOURCE OF REVENUE. I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND DOING THAT FOR ANY SORT OF RECURRING COSTS OR THE LIKE. 
          GENERALLY SPEAKING, WHEN WE HAVE IT IN THE CAPITAL PROGRAM, IT'S USUALLY FOR THE DEFERENCE AND PAYMENT OF DEBT. SO AGAIN, IT DEPENDS ON COUNCIL'S PRIORITIES AND WHETHER OR NOT, YOUR VERSION OF FISCAL CONSERVATISM OR FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY IS INCLUSIVE OF DEBT DEFERMENT OR SOME OTHER, VARIATION OF THAT. SO I, I'VE OPERATED WITH, YOU KNOW, BEING ABLE TO WORK WITH EACH OF YOU. AND I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY SPEAKING, WHEN WE, WHEN WE DO THIS, WE TRY TO DO AVOIDANCE OF DEBT WHERE POSSIBLE, WE USE ANY OF THE POSITIVE VARIANCES TO ONE TIME CAPITAL NEEDS. I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND STRAYING FROM THAT PATH, LEST WE BECOME A CITY OF CAPE CANAVERAL TYPE SITUATION. OH, WOW. BOOM. NO, THAT WAS FROM THE CORNER. THAT WAS NOTHING BUT NET. I HAVE TO DO IT, I GOT IT. THAT. ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, MR. SMITH. YEAH. MAYOR. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO SO WE I IS ANYBODY ELSE. SO IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE WANT TO ADD. WE WANT TO SUBTRACT. WE ARE I, I MEAN, I, I LOVE THE TOUCH THE TRUCK, I WANT TO KEEP ALL THESE THINGS, BUT IT'S, IT'S, I'M LIKE JENNY SAID, I THINK THERE WAS ONE CITY OVER. IS IT APOPKA JENNY THAT HAD A, CONCERT THEY'VE HAD FOR 20 YEARS AND THEY'RE CUTTING OCOEE. OCOEE. OKAY. SORRY. SO SO WAS THERE ANYTHING ON THREE THAT WE WANT TO WE WANT TO MOVE ON TO FOUR. THE ONLY THING I WOULD ASK IS IN THE EVENT THAT WE'RE NOT PURSUING A REVENUE SOURCE FOR EITHER REESTABLISHING ANY OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN LISTED, WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS CONSENSUS THAT IN THE EVENT THAT WE DO NOT ACHIEVE ANYTHING HIGHER THAN THE ROLLBACK RATE, WHETHER THAT'S MEANT TO COME AT THE EXPENSE OF ANOTHER PART OF THE BUDGET, SIMILAR TO WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH COUNCIL SALARIES AND STUDY TOWN TO FUND THE SUMMER CAMPS, IS THERE A NEED TO, APPROACH EDC CHAMBER LOBBYIST? ANYTHING I MAY HAVE MISSED IN THAT SAME MANNER? OR IS THE INTENT OF COUNCIL TO LOOK TO A REVENUE GREATER THAN ROLLBACK FOR THAT PURPOSE? THAT'S THE QUESTION, MAYOR. SO I HAVE A QUESTION. SO IF WE WERE TO I THINK WE'VE ALREADY COME UP WITH THE SUMMER CAMPS 
          [02:20:03]
AND WITH OUR SALARIES AND THE, STUDY TIME. RIGHT. SO THAT'S KIND OF A WASH AT THIS POINT. 
          RIGHT. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT APPROXIMATELY $125,000 BETWEEN THE CHAMBER. HOW MUCH IS THE GALLEY PERSON GET 85. OKAY. NEVER MIND. SO 85 SAYS ABOUT 90. SO 150,000, INCLUDING THE LOBBYISTS, THE CHAMBER, A GALLEY. AND THEN THE SUMMER CAMP. BUT THEN ADD IN SOME OF THE EVENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO IF WE SAID THAT WE WERE GOING TO PUT, SAY, $200,000 BACK IN THE BUDGET, HOW ABOUT 250 WITH THE 252 50? HOW MUCH WOULD WE HAVE TO RAISE THE TAXES BY? THERE WE GO. OKAY, SO WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND TRANSITION TO TO NUMBER FOUR, BUT I DO. BUT IN THE EVENT AGAIN, THAT IN THE EVENT THAT WE DO ARRIVE AT THE SEPTEMBER HEARINGS AND WERE THERE A SITUATION WHERE THERE ISN'T A SUPERMAJORITY OF COUNCIL TO DO ANYTHING ABOVE THE ROLLBACK RATE, THE ONLY OPTION TO ADD THOSE BACK IN AT THIS POINT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID WITH THE SUMMER CAMPS AND COUNCIL PAY, AND THAT'S ELIMINATING A COST ELSEWHERE FOR THOSE COSTS. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S A WELL AWARE BEFORE WE CONSIDER ANY OF THE ADDITIONAL MILLAGE RATE OPTIONS. BUT I'LL JUMP RIGHT INTO THAT. I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT SHE ASKED, THOUGH. I THINK SHE ASKED, HOW MUCH DO WE NEED TO ADD TO THE ROLLBACK RATE IF WE KEEP EVERYTHING IN LINE AND ADD THE OTHER $250,000? NOT TO ADD, NOT TO ELIMINATE ANYTHING, BUT ADD, TO ADD, TO LIKE TO ADD THE 250 TO MAKE SURE WE KEEP THOSE CORRECT. THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE SAYING. WHAT ROSS IS SAYING IS THAT IF WE WANT TO DO THAT, THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING OR THE NEXT ONE AFTER THAT, WE WOULD NEED A SUPERMAJORITY. IF WE DON'T GET THAT, THEN WHAT I THINK IS, AM I RIGHT? CORRECT. SO SO YOU MAY HAVE FOUR PEOPLE THAT SAY, I WANT TO ADD ALL OF THOSE THINGS IN TONIGHT. I THINK THEY ARE A VALID PART OF THE BUDGET. I WANT TO GO ABOVE ROLLBACK FOR IT. BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT FIFTH MEMBER COME SEPTEMBER 1ST OR THE 1ST SEPTEMBER MEETING AND THE 2ND SEPTEMBER MEETING, IT'S A MOOT POINT. THERE IS NO REVENUE THERE TO DO THAT. SO YOU'D EITHER NEED TO CONSIDER OTHER EXPENDITURES TO REDUCE, WHICH AT THIS POINT WOULD BE ADDITIONAL POSITIONS OR SOMETHING OF THE OF THE SORT, RIGHT. TAKING AWAY FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE TO PAY FOR THEM. 
          OKAY. SO IF WE COULD ROLL INTO FOUR AND TALK ABOUT MILLAGE RATES, I THINK THAT THIS IS WOULD COVER THAT. YEAH. AND I'LL GET TO YOUR SPECIFIC QUESTION ABOUT THE MILLAGE RATE ITSELF. I MAY HAVE TO RUN IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT ONE OF THE SCENARIOS. WE DIDN'T KNOW 
          [4. Adoption of Proposed Millage Rates]
EXACTLY WHERE WE WOULD BE AT THIS POINT IN THE NIGHT. SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM FOUR REAL QUICK. THIS IS THE ADOPTION OF TENTATIVE MILLAGE RATES. THIS IS A QUICK TEN YEAR HISTORY OF YOUR ADOPTED MILLAGE RATES. WHEN YOU LOOK BACK, CURRENTLY WE ARE AT THE 7.0112, WITH, WITH THE BUDGET BEFORE YOU IS BALANCED, THAT IS THE ROLLBACK RATE OF THAT 6.8781, THE GREEN BAR ON THE RIGHT. AND AGAIN, LOOKING BACK AT THE 2025 TO 2026, THAT WAS THE ESTABLISHMENT OF YOUR PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PROGRAM AS WELL AS YOUR MACHINERY AND EQUIPMENT FUND, ALONGSIDE OF OPERATIONAL INCREASES FROM LAST YEAR'S BUDGET. LOOKING AT THE MILLAGE RATE SCENARIOS, NOT KNOWING EXACTLY ANY SPECIFIC FLAVOR OF COUNCIL'S PREFERENCE, FOR ANYTHING ABOVE ROLLBACK. WHAT I HAVE BEFORE YOU IS WHAT YOUR CURRENT RATE WOULD BE. THAT'S ONE THAT TYPICALLY SOME, SOME ENTITIES WILL OPT TO, TO DO. SO. AGAIN, OUR CURRENT RATE BEING 7.0112, THAT WOULD GENERATE AN ADDITIONAL $962,000 OR WHAT WOULD BE ABOUT A 1.94% INCREASE OVER ROLLBACK RATE, AN ADDITIONAL 500,000, WHICH IS ABOUT ROUGHLY HALFWAY BETWEEN YOUR ROLLBACK RATE AND CURRENT RATE, WOULD GENERATE 500,373. COULDN'T EXACTLY GET EXACTLY ON THERE BECAUSE OF ROUNDING PURPOSES. BUT THAT'S ABOUT A PERCENT INCREASE OVER ROLLBACK RATE. SO AT THOSE TWO MILLAGE RATES THERE, BEYOND ROLLBACK, THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO IF WE WERE TO DO SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE ABOUT 250 000, IF YOU CAN BEAR WITH ME AS I DO SOME SIMPLE MATH, WHAT I HOPE IS SIMPLE MATH, NAPKIN MATH, SOME NAPKIN MATH. AND WHY HE'S DOING THAT, ON THE ADDITIONAL 500,000, WE COULD LOOK AT FUNDING THAT AND THEN THE 250 FOR CONTINGENCY IF WE WANTED. YEAH, THAT COULD BE A THOUGHT. WE COULD ALSO THROW BACK IN THE CITY TOWN, YOU CAN DO THE CONTINGENCY BOTHERS THE HECK OUT OF ME. YEAH, IT REALLY DOES. IT WOULD STILL LEAVE SOME CONTINGENCY BECAUSE WE'RE STILL TAKING AWAY OUR SALARY. BUT I WOULD, BUT I WOULD LEAVE IT IN THE CONTINGENCY THOUGH RATHER. 
          YEAH, I YEAH, I WOULDN'T AGREE WITH STEADY TOWN AS BEING A PRIORITY. NO I'M, I'M NOT GOING. 
          WE ALREADY GAVE THEM WE NEED THE CONTINGENT. WE NEED THE CONTINGENCY. BECAUSE IF WE HAVE EVEN A MILD STORM WITH THE FEMA STUFF AND EVERYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT, I AGREE. THE REIMBURSEMENT FROM FEMA TAKES YEARS. WELL, LIKE IF YOU GET I MEAN, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS 
          [02:25:01]
WE TALKED ABOUT. FDOT PAY US LAST QUARTER FOR THE STUFF THAT WE DID FOR THE STREETS AND THE AND THE LIGHTS. IS THAT A NO OR ONE BEHIND? THAT'S A NO. CAN WE TURN THEM INTO COLLECTIONS? THERE YOU GO TO FEMA POINT. OKAY. I MEAN, NO, BUT I MEAN, WE GET INTEREST. THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS YOU'RE ASKING THE ONE ON ONE. YOU KNOW, DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH WE HAVE OUT THERE IN FEMA REIMBURSEMENTS? OH, I HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU. I'M JUST CURIOUS WHERE WE'RE AT. I MEAN, WE WERE DENIED ON I BELIEVE IT WAS IRMA. SURE. WAS IT IRMA? YEAH. THERE'S A HANDFUL OF THINGS. THEY WIND UP ACTUALLY COMING BACK AND DENYING FOR ARBITRARY REASONS, WHICH WE CAN'T REALLY FIGHT. THINGS WE WERE FIGHTING ABOUT WHEN WE WENT TO THE LEAGUE OF CITIES. 
          IS THAT, ABOUT THE FEMA THINGS? THAT WAS A BIG ONE THAT WE WERE SITTING THERE AND. OKAY. OH, SORRY. I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT WAS GOING FORWARD, BUT, BASICALLY THE RATE THAT WOULD GENERATE $250,000 WOULD BE 6.9127, WHICH IS FAR OFF. I ASKED FOR THAT TO BE MOVED FORWARD. I'M SORRY. OH, I'M SORRY. JUST TO GIVE THEM IDEAS THAT THEY WERE BRAINSTORMING. 
          YEAH. MY MY APOLOGIES. I MISSED THAT PART. THAT'S WHY YOU'RE THE MANAGER. SORRY, ROSS. NO, YOU'RE QUITE ALL RIGHT. QUITE ALL RIGHT. SO? SO WE COULD WE COULD THEORETICALLY GO WITH THE MILLAGE RATE OF 6.9473 FOR THE ADDITIONAL 500. AND IF WE NEEDED TO ROLL THAT BACK, IF WE DECIDED TO AND WE COULD GO BACK, WE COULD GO BACK, BUT WE CANNOT GO FORWARD. I PREFER GOING, DOING THAT. DOING THAT. YEAH. AND THEN WE CAN TACKLE IT LIKE WE DID LAST YEAR. LIKE WE DID LAST YEAR. WE WENT NUCLEAR AND THEN BUT THEN WE BROUGHT IT WAY DOWN. I DON'T THINK WE WENT NUCLEAR. YEAH WE DID. THAT'S WHAT I SAID NUCLEAR LAST YEAR. THE OTHER CITIES AND WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING. SURE. PLEASE. JUST FOR. WELL WELL EVERYBODY I KNOW I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE OTHER CITIES, BUT I MEAN, JUST IF YOU WERE TO LOOK. EVERYBODY HAD AN INCREASE EXCEPT PALM BAY. 
          BUT AGAIN, PALM BAY IS IS IS NOW. NOW EDUCATE ME ON THIS OR ACTUALLY CORRECT ME. I KNOW PALM BAY HAS OTHER BONDS AND SUCH THAT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THIS. I ONLY COMPARE THE OPERATING, FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS, BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT'S NOT REALLY AN APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON, BUT THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE WOULD HAVE THE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THEY HAVE MULTIPLE WITH JUST THE ROAD BONDS, 150 MILLION OR SOMETHING. I BELIEVE THAT WAS THEIR AUTHORIZATION AMOUNT. SO, SO THAT TO ME, IT IS, IT DOES SKEWED A LITTLE BIT. BUT EVERYBODY ELSE, IF YOU LOOK AT LOOKING FOR A MODEST, YOU KNOW, 1.29%, AND AGAIN, THAT COULD BE JUST THEM DOING THAT, GOING TO ROLL IT BACK. BUT I, I KIND OF LIKE FOR OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS TO KIND OF REALLY DIG IN AND SAY, IF WE HAVE X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS, LET'S SAY WE AGREE TO PUT THE 250 IN CONTINGENCY AND THEN WITH THE OTHER 250, IF WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THE LOBBYIST. NOW, THEORETICALLY, I WOULDN'T REALLY WANT TO PAY FOR LOBBYIST. HOWEVER, MISS LAROUSSE, MR. LARUSSO IS VERY ON POINT WITH WITH THE MONEY THAT BROUGHT BACK, WE WENT FROM ONE LOBBYIST TO ANOTHER. WE WENT FROM, YOU KNOW, A MODEST AMOUNT TO A LARGE AMOUNT COMING BACK. SO SO, YOU KNOW, IF WHAT WAS IT LIKE A 30 TIME RULE OR SOMETHING? I THINK EVERY DOLLAR YOU SPEND, YOU GET 30 TIMES BACK, YOU'RE YOU SHOULD. AND IF NOT, YOU SHOULD LOOK AND LOOK ELSEWHERE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I, I JUST WOULD HATE TO LOSE THAT KIND OF REPRESENTATION. THAT'S WHY WE HAD THE SENATE PASSED SENATE PRESIDENT AND NOW WE HAVE THE PAST SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE. YEAH, YEAH, MAYOR. HALLELUJAH. AND I THINK THE IMPORTANT THING TO LOOK AT TOO IS, AND I THINK WE'VE ALREADY MENTIONED IT TONIGHT IS OUR ROLE WOULD BE TO PICK UP THE PHONE AND CALL WHO, WHATEVER OUR LEGISLATURE IS HERE. I WAS JUST DOWN ON PALM BAY ROAD A LITTLE EARLIER. BUT WE DO THAT HERE AND THEN OUR LOBBYISTS GO TO TALLAHASSEE AND OUR LOBBYISTS GO TO, DC, BUT THEY ALL HAVE OFFICES HERE THAT WE CAN GO TO. YES, THAT'S AND WE HAVE OUR SENATOR RIGHT UPSTAIRS. RIGHT UPSTAIRS. YEAH. SO I MEAN, IS THAT SOMETHING WE ALL CAN AGREE ON? I THINK SO DO WE HAVE TO MAKE DO WE HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION? MR. MR. BRING IT BACK DOWN. LET ME LET ME ASK MR. NEWMAN. WANT TO CALL ON YOU. ARE YOU ARE YOU ARE YOU THERE? YES, SIR. WHAT'S UP NOW? YES, SIR. HOW YOU DOING? WHAT'S UP? WHAT. WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHT ON THAT. ARE YOU ARE YOU OKAY WITH DOING THE ADDITIONAL 500 AT 6.9473. TO, TO KIND OF JUST TEMPORARILY TO HANDLE THE 
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250,000 IN CONTINGENCY WE DON'T HAVE. AND AGAIN, WHAT IF WE HAVE A STORM SEASON? WE DON'T KNOW. AND THEN ALSO WE CAN COME BACK AND DECIDE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO KEEP, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, THE LOBBYIST OR SUCH. SO ARE YOU GOOD WITH THAT? YOU KNOW, I'M PRETTY, I'M PRETTY TORN ON, ON, YOU KNOW, RAISING I'M KIND OF ON THE, YOU KNOW, ROSS HAD AN ORIGINAL PLAN OF KEEPING THAT ROLLBACK RATE AND I THOUGHT IT WAS A PRETTY GOOD PLAN. I DO UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR WIGGLE ROOM AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, BUT, I'M A LITTLE SKEPTICAL IF YOU CAN REMIND ME JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M FOLLOWING CORRECTLY, THAT THAT'S THE ONE WE NEED THE FIVE VOTES, NOT THE FOUR. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. NOT NOT FOR THIS EVENING, BUT FOR THE SEPTEMBER KNOW FOR THE FUTURE. RIGHT? YEAH. RIGHT. AND AND THAT'S WHERE I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A OF A HEARTBURN ON IT BECAUSE WE'RE REALLY MOVING IT TO A CERTAIN LEVEL. I WOULD MAYBE A LITTLE BIT, BUT NOT THAT, NOT THAT FULL AMOUNT. I JUST THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT. SO, PUT ME DOWN AS A TENTATIVE NO, UNLESS YOU GUYS CAN CONVINCE ME OTHERWISE. ONE 1% INCREASE OVER THE ROLLBACK. SO AND AGAIN, TO ME, WE, IF WE GO BACK WITH THE ROLLBACK ROLLBACK TONIGHT, WE'RE STUCK THERE. I MEAN WE, WE CANNOT CHANGE IT. BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT MAYBE WE DECIDE OR SOMETHING HAPPENS OR THAT WE CAN SAY, HEY, WE CAN GO BACK TO MY, MY ONLY CONCERN IS AGAIN, HOW ARE WE GOING TO ARE WE GOING TO KILL SOMEBODY LIKE THE MEL BOOM? ARE WE GOING TO KILL ALL THAT? I DON'T I DON'T KNOW, I MEAN, MAYOR NO. AND I UNDERSTAND AND MY, MY VIEWPOINT IS LIKE FOR THE PURPOSES OF TONIGHT, BECAUSE AS I THINK YOU'RE VERY, VERY CLEAR ON IT, AND I THINK IT'S A, A GOOD STRATEGY OF, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD AT LEAST SET IT SOMEWHERE, I JUST DON'T WANT YOU TO BE COUNTING ON MY VOTE. IF, YOU KNOW, YOU NEEDED THAT EXTRA AMOUNT BECAUSE I AM A LITTLE BIT ON THE FENCE ABOUT THAT PERSONALLY. BUT IF IT'S FOR SETTING AND THINGS LIKE THAT, I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM THERE. WELL, AND I'M, I'M, I'M, I'M RIGHT WITH YOU, MR. NEWMAN. I'M, I DON'T, I DON'T LIKE IT. I DON'T WANT IT. HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT. AND AT LEAST THAT BUYS US A LITTLE MORE TIME THAT WE CAN LOOK AT IT AND SAY, LISTEN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE OUR STAFF CAN GO BACK AND FIGURE SOMETHING OUT. MAYBE. 
          MAYBE MR. SMITH WILL FIND A GOLDEN GOLDEN EGG. WE NEVER KNOW. RIGHT? BUT. RIGHT. BUT BUT, THAT'S JUST A JOKE, BUT, BUT, IF WE CAN WE DO THIS, JUST GO WITH THE, LET'S GO WITH THE HALF MILLION DOLLAR ADDITION, THE ADDITIONAL. YES. AND THEN I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO GO WITH IT SO THAT WE CAN GO COME BACK LATER ON. AND THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. OUR HIGH OUR HIGH MARK RIGHT NOW. AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK AND SEE WHERE WE ARE. HIGH WATER MARK RIGHT THERE. YEAH. AND THEN MAYBE, MR. YOUR MOTION ON THE FLOOR. SO. WELL, WELL, THERE'S NOT A MOTION YET. YEAH. AND, AND BEFORE YOU MAKE A MOTION, PLEASE KNOW TO PLEASE ASK FOR ANY ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT. YEAH, YEAH. MR. SMITH, YOU. YEAH. YEAH. MAYOR. THE, THE STRATEGY THAT WE DID LAST YEAR AND I, I STILL HAVEN'T SEEN WHAT THAT NUMBER WOULD BE, BUT I THINK LAST YEAR WHAT WE DID WAS WE, WE FROM THIS BUDGET MEETING SESSION, WE SET IT AT THE HIGHEST RATE, BUT THEN WE CAME BACK DOWN AND WE NORMALIZED WHAT THAT. AND THEN WE AGREED UPON A RATE. BUT I KNOW WITH WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR, WAS ABLE TO PUT MORE MONEY INTO THE PAVEMENT PROGRAM. WE THEY PUT MORE MONEY INTO THE, EQUIPMENT REPAIRS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO WHAT IS THAT NUMBER? THAT'S WHAT I WOULD WANT TO HEAR. BEFORE WE DECIDE ON JUST THAT $500,000 MILLAGE RATE NUMBER. WELL, IT WOULD BE THE CURRENT RATE OF 7.0112. 
          YEAH. AND THAT THAT'S ACTUALLY A 1.94% INCREASE OR THE NET, IT WOULD BE 952,000. I DO I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THIS. THIS IS NOT THE FULL GAMUT OF OPTIONS, RIGHT? BECAUSE EVEN IF YOU LOOKED AT THE CITY OF CAPE CANAVERAL'S MEETING, THEY PUT THEIRS AT 9.95 MILLS PER THOUSAND. RIGHT? SO IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT YOU CANNOT GO ABOVE THE 7.0112. IT'S WITHOUT REALLY HAVING THE CONSENSUS OF COUNCIL, OR AT LEAST THE UNDERSTANDING OF HAVING A COMFORTABLE AMOUNT OF FIVE VOTES, RIGHT, TO ACHIEVE WHAT WE NEED TO ACHIEVE IN THE SEPTEMBER MEETING TO DO ANYTHING BEYOND ROLLBACK, WE FELT IT INCUMBENT UPON US TO DO THE ROLLBACK RATE AS WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO YOU. AND THEN IF THERE IS ADDITIONAL APPETITE, RIGHT. WE JUST WANT TO BE CERTAIN THAT THERE IS THE FIVE VOTES TO DO ANYTHING BEYOND THAT POINT. AND WE DIDN'T GO TO THE ABSOLUTE MAXIMUM, BECAUSE IN JUNE, IT DID NOT SEEM LIKE THERE WAS APPETITE TO GO MUCH MORE THAN ROLLBACK RATE. AND I DON'T THINK THERE IS NOW. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO SHORE UP A COUPLE OF THINGS AND AND MORE COMES TO LIGHT, YOU KNOW, MORE REAL. WE'RE BECOMING MORE REALISTIC AS TO ACTUALLY RUNNING A CITY. WE DIDN'T KNOW THEN WHAT WE KNOW NOW. 
          EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT REAL QUICK, IF IT'S ALL RIGHT, MR. YOUNG, I'M GOING TO HAVE YOU HOP BACK UP. YOU PULLED IT. I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR 
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THIS. AND ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO SPEAK AFTER YOU. SO AGAIN, I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THE COUNCIL DOES. YOUR DUE DILIGENCE. ROSS, THE CITY MANAGER, ALL YOU GUYS. BUT WE KIND OF JUST SAT HERE AND LISTENED FOR TWO HOURS ABOUT HOW YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO RESTRUCTURE THE BUDGET AND STUFF LIKE THAT BASED OFF OF ROLLING BACK THE MILLAGE RATE, WHICH IS A DECREASE IN MONEY, WHICH MEANS THAT THE BILL PASSES IS ANOTHER DECREASE IN MONEY. SO IS ANYBODY JUST GOING TO SAY WHAT EVERYBODY'S THINKING? WHY DON'T WE JUST DO THE BUDGET AT CURRENT RATE? QUICK, QUICK CLARIFICATION. ROLLBACK IS NOT A DECREASE IN REVENUE. YEAH. YOU STILL HAVE LESS MONEY. YOU STILL HAVE NEW CONSTRUCTION TAXABLE VALUE THAT IS ADDING TO YOUR BUDGET THIS YEAR. ANYTHING ABOVE ROLLBACK IS CONSIDERED A TAX INCREASE. 
          THAT'S THE TRIM LAW REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE TO SAY THAT SORT OF THING. YEP. 
          OKAY MAYOR WHERE ARE WE AT. HOLD ON MR. SMITH REAL QUICK. YEAH. SO SO MAYOR, WITH THAT COMMENT IN MIND AND AND ALSO WHAT CITY MANAGER AND ROSS IS SAYING, I DON'T SEE I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE SEEN THE FULL SLATE OF OPTIONS. AND WHETHER WE HAVE, LIKE WE SAY, WE DON'T HAVE AN APPETITE TO GO ABOVE, BUT I, I THINK THAT COMPARED TO LAST YEAR, YOU KNOW, THIS IS MY SECOND BUDGET MEETING, UNLIKE COUNCILMAN LARUSSO, WHO'S BEEN AT, YOU KNOW, I THINK 20 PLUS. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU VERY LITTLE. THAT'S A JOKE. BUT, GIVES ME A GREATER ADVANTAGE THEN. YES, SIR. BUT BUT BUT WITH THAT IN MIND, I THINK THAT LOOKING AT WHAT OUR FULL GAMUT OF OPTIONS ARE, BECAUSE WE I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER BEEN IN A STRINGENT BUDGET, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL SEASON LIKE WE ARE IN NOW. I MEAN, JUST I COULD FEEL THAT DIFFERENCE EVEN COMPARED TO LAST YEAR. AND I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT WE ARE BEING A LITTLE BIT MORE, SORT OF INDULGED MINDED LOOKING AT FULL ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY BECAUSE THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE, I WOULD SAY, NECESSARY ANYWAY, BUT I STILL WOULD LIKE TO SEE OR HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT ARE SOME OF THE OTHER RATES ABOVE WHERE WE ARE THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY KEEP IN MIND? BECAUSE AS WE KNOW, ONCE WE LEAVE THIS MEETING, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO GO ABOVE WHATEVER WE SET FROM TONIGHT. CORRECT. SO SO WE SO WE, WE HAD THESE BUDGET SESSIONS. YEAH. STRONG HARD IN 2006, SEVEN AND EIGHT AND NINE DURING THE GREAT RECESSION, THE GREAT RECESSION. 
          LOOK IT UP. IT'S IN THE ENCYCLOPEDIAS. I MEAN, WE WERE HAMMERED BY WHAT WE HAD TO DO. 
          YEAH. HAMMERED. SO I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENT, MR. SMITH, ABOUT THE 20 PLUS. BUT THE 20 PLUS GIVES ME 20 PLUS MORE OPPORTUNITIES TO BRING GREATER VALUE TO THE TABLE. WELL, I AND I'M GOING TO SAY, MR. LARUSSO, YOU ARE YOU KNOW, YOU ARE THE SEASONED PROFESSIONAL HERE. AND I DO RELY ON ON, ON YOU. WHAT IS YOUR THOUGHT ON SHOULD WE GO AT THE CURRENT RATE OR DO THE ADDITIONAL FIVE? I BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD DO THE ADDITIONAL, THE 6.94, SEVEN THREE AND THEN BECAUSE WE CANNOT GO ABOVE THAT, BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF, WE HAVE A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS STILL, WE STILL, THERE'S TWO MEMBERS THAT ARE HERE THAT ARE ONLY ON THE PHONE. AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A LOT OF VALUE WHEN THEY ARE, WHEN MARCUS IS SITTING NEXT TO ME AND DAVID IS SITTING NEXT TO THE MAYOR, THAT WE GET TO SEE EYE TO EYE AND FACE TO FACE. SO I WANT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT WIGGLE ROOM, AS WE CALL IT. WE CAN GO DOWN, WE CAN'T GO UP. AND SO THE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO MAINTAIN THE SERVICES IN THIS CITY AND TO MAINTAIN THE VALUE AND THE QUALITY OF LIFE THAT WE HAVE COME TO EXPECT OUT OF THIS CITY IS, I BELIEVE THAT'S WHERE WE SHOULD BE RIGHT NOW. AND AGAIN, YOU'RE ASKING ME FOR MY OPINION. OKAY, WE CAN GO. WE CAN GO DOWN. WE CAN'T GO UP. BUT IT GIVES US THAT LITTLE BIT OF ROOM THAT MISS THAT, VICE MAYOR ASKED FOR THAT. MISS HANLEY ASKED FOR THAT. RACHEL ASKED FOR YOURSELF, MYSELF. YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL ASKING FOR JUST THAT. WE'RE. IT'S IT'S NOT THAT SOLID YET. YOU KNOW, WE WE STILL HAVE TO TALK AMONGST OURSELVES. SO. SO THEN, IS ANYBODY ELSE WANTED TO SPEAK? BECAUSE I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. NOBODY ELSE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND DO WE ARE WE GOING TO HAVE A MOTION, MAYOR SIR. GO AHEAD. I WILL MAKE A MOTION FOR THE MILLAGE RATE OF 6.9473% MILLAGE. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND BY VICE MAYOR. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NAY, NAY. OKAY. AND I VOTE AYE. AND THAT MOTION PASSES 5 TO 2. OKAY. SO THEN WHAT WE'LL DO IS NEXT IS WE'RE DONE. NO. ONE BRIEF MOMENT HERE. WE DID SET THE OPERATING MILLAGE RATE. THIS IS OUR TIME TO ALSO SET OUR PROPOSED TENTATIVE RATE FOR, THE, 2022 GEO BONDS. FORGIVE ME. 
          I'M STUMBLING OVER MY WORDS A LITTLE BIT. ONE SCRIVENER'S ERROR FROM WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE 
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YOU IN YOUR PACKET, IT SAID 0.2977. THAT'S MEANT TO READ 0.2885. SO THIS ONE'S PRETTY BOILERPLATE. WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING ANYTHING OTHER THAN WHAT THE BOND COVENANTS REQUIRE. WHETHER OR NOT YOU HAVE ANY PAY OUR BILLS. YES. OKAY. AS WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO. 
          RIGHT. YEAH. SO WAIT A MINUTE. CAN I MISS HANLEY? YES. OKAY. SO YOU'RE ASKING FOR THE ADOPTION OF THE, THE NEW RATE RATHER THAN THE SIX POINT, THE OPERATING MILLAGE APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN SET AT 6.9473. OKAY. THE SECOND MOTION WE NEED IS TO SET THE, 2022 GEO BOND DEBT SERVICE MILLAGE RATE. THIS IS 0.2885 ISN'T IT? WHAT WE HAD LAST YEAR? TWO NO, FORGIVE ME, THE 0.2992.2977 WAS WHAT WAS IN THE AGENDA LAST YEAR. IT DIDN'T GET UPDATED. THAT'S OUR BAD. 
          BUT 0.2885. WE JUST NEED A MOTION FOR THAT. YES. I MAKE A MOTION FOR THE ADOPTION OF THE PROPOSED DEBT SERVICE MILLAGE RATE OF 0.2885.288 FOR SCHOOL YEAR TWO 2027. I'LL I'LL SECOND THAT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE AYE AYE AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE AYE AND THAT MOTION PASSES. OKAY. AND THEN WE WILL. ANYTHING ELSE MISS LAMB I JUST WANTED TO ASK THE QUESTION. SO AT THE MILLAGE RATE THAT YOU'VE SET WITH THE ADDITIONAL $500,000 WHEN WE COME BACK IN SEPTEMBER, I YOU'RE WANTING TO SEE AN ITEMIZED LIKE WHAT EACH THING IS WE CAN ADD FOR THAT 500 000. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE WANTING TO ADD THE LOBBYIST, THE EGAD, THE CHAMBER AND AND CONTINGENCY IS WHAT I HEARD. I THINK WHAT THE COUNCIL WAS LOOKING FOR IS ON THE CHAMBER AS WELL. KIND OF A BROKE DOWN. IF WE GO HERE, GO HERE, GO THERE MORE BUT MORE OF A OF A BREAKDOWN. IS THAT CORRECT, MAYOR? THAT BREAKDOWN LOOKED LIKE IT WAS MORE FOR THE BUSINESSES AS OPPOSED TO A CITY. SO MAYBE THEY WOULD BE AMICABLE TO BREAKING IT OFF TO A WHAT CITY NEEDS ARE WELL, HERE'S FOUR GRAND OR HERE'S NOT FOUR GRAND. YEAH. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO? YEAH, BUT I THINK I THINK STAFF CAN AT LEAST GIVE US MAYBE A LITTLE WORK FOR YOU, BUT AT LEAST WE CAN GO FROM THERE. AND I THINK, MAYOR, MAYBE, MAYBE WE COULD JUST CONTINUE TO EVALUATE BECAUSE THAT'S BEEN AN ONGOING QUESTION. 
          WHAT IS THE VALUE? WHAT IS THE VALUE? SO IN, COUNCILMAN HANLEY ASKED THIS. SO SO WHAT IS THE KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATOR? MAYBE WE JUST NEED TO DIG AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT MEASURES WHAT THE RETURN ON THE VALUE IS. YEAH, I AGREE. OKAY. SO ARE WE GOOD? WE'RE GOOD. SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND, REAL BRIEFLY JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC BENEFIT OF COUNCIL, EVERYONE INVOLVED THE FIRST PUBLIC BUDGET HEARING TO CONSIDER THIS ADOPTED TENTATIVE RATE WILL BE HELD WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 9TH AT 530 IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS. THE SECOND BUDGET HEARING WILL BE SEPTEMBER 23RD. WEDNESDAY, 530. ALSO STILL IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS. SO JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF EVERYONE, THAT'S WHEN WE'LL BE WORKING MORE ON THIS TOPIC. AND BOTH OF THOSE MEETINGS HAVE THE REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING. SO IT'LL ALL BE IN ONE NIGHT. AND CAN I. WE WERE NOT PLANNING ON IT. WE CUT THAT OUT. AND SO, I DO WANT TO SAY IF YOU CAN AFFORD ME ONE MOMENT, I WANT TO THANK OUR BUDGET STAFF, OUR BUDGET TEAM, ROSS, ALL OF THE DIRECTORS AND ALL OF STAFF THAT PUT SUCH A LARGE AMOUNT OF TIME INTO TRYING TO MAKE THIS BUDGET WORK. AND, WE COULDN'T HAVE DONE IT WITHOUT THE TEAM, OF COURSE. WELL, THANK YOU AGAIN. THANK YOU EVERYBODY. AND WE'RE GOING TO
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