Aug 11, 2026 City Council

[1. Invocation - Pastor Ken Ellis, Living Waters Church of God]

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AUGUST 11TH, 2026, REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING. BEFORE WE BEGIN MEETING THE MEETING, LET ME REVIEW THE PROCEDURES FOR THE MEETING. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, COMPLETE A REQUEST TO SPEAK FORM LOCATED AT THE ENTRANCE TO CITY COUNCIL CHAMBER AND SUBMIT THE COMPLETED FORM TO THE SERGEANT AT ARMS. WHEN YOUR NAME HAS BEEN CALLED, USE THE MICROPHONE AT THE LECTERN ON THE AUDIENCE'S RIGHT AND EITHER STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS OR YOUR NAME AND CITY. BE MINDFUL OF THE TIMER ON THE LECTERN AND WRAP UP YOUR COMMENTS BEFORE SPEAKING TIME ENDS. THE TIME LIMITS ARE POSTED ON THE REQUEST TO SPEAK FORM AN APPLICANT, REPRESENTATIVE, OR PERSON WHO HAS LEGAL STANDING TO SUPPORT OR OPPOSE A QUASI JUDICIAL MATTER WILL BE PERMITTED ENOUGH TIME, AS REASONABLY DETERMINED BY THE CITY COUNCIL, TO CREATE A RECORD BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL. ANY PERSON WHO MAKES PERSONAL, IMPERTINENT OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS OR BECOMES BOISTEROUS WHILE ADDRESSING THE CITY COUNCIL WILL BE ORDERED TO LEAVE THE COUNCIL CHAMBER. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US THIS EVENING. WE WILL BEGIN WITH THE INVOCATION BY COUNCILMAN MARCUS SMITH. IF YOU WISH TO PARTICIPATE IN THE INVOCATION, PLEASE STAND. UP. MICROPHONE OFF. GOOD EVENING. PLEASE JOIN ME FOR A MOMENT OF PRAYER. HEAVENLY FATHER, WE COME BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING GRATEFUL FOR THE PRIVILEGE AND THE RESPONSIBILITY OF SERVING OUR COMMUNITY. GRANT US WISDOM IN OUR DECISIONS, PATIENCE IN OUR DISCUSSIONS, AND THE HUMILITY TO LISTEN TO ONE ANOTHER REMIND US THAT WHILE WE MAY SOMETIMES APPROACH ISSUES FROM DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES, WE SHARE A COMMON RESPONSIBILITY TO SERVE THE PEOPLE OF MELBOURNE. BLESS OUR RESIDENTS, OUR CITY STAFF, OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, OUR BUSINESSES, AND EVERYONE WORKING EACH DAY TO MAKE OUR COMMUNITY STRONGER. GIVE US THE COURAGE TO ADDRESS TODAY'S CHALLENGES, THE VISION TO PREPARE FOR TOMORROW'S OPPORTUNITIES, AND THE WISDOM TO LEAVE MELBOURNE BETTER FOR THE GENERATIONS THAT FOLLOW US. MAY OUR WORDS BE THOUGHTFUL, OUR ACTIONS BE HONORABLE AND OUR SERVICE ALWAYS FOCUS ON THE GREATER GOOD. IN YOUR HOLY NAME WE PRAY. AMEN. AMEN. AND PLEASE JOIN US FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. AND ROLL CALL, VOTE. MR. MCEWEN, COUNCILMEMBER LARUSSO. COUNCILMEMBER NEWMAN HERE. COUNCILMEMBER BASSETT HERE. COUNCILMEMBER HANLEY, COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH HERE, VICE MAYOR KENNEDY HERE. AND MAYOR ALFREY WILL NOT BE HERE THIS

[4. Proclamations and Presentations]

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AND THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR, MAYOR JULIE KENNEDY AND ALL THE MEMBERS OF CITY MELBOURNE CITY COUNCIL. I AM ANTHONY HARRIS, BAND LEADER OF PALM BAY STEEL ORCHESTRA AND A LIFETIME MEMBER OF BREVARD CARIBBEAN AMERICAN SPORTS AND CULTURAL ASSOCIATION. TODAY, AUGUST 11TH, WE CELEBRATE WORLD STEELPAN DAY AS INAUGURATED BY THE UNITED NATIONS THREE YEARS AGO. AND SO PALM BAY STEEL ORCHESTRA IS HONORED AND HUMBLED TO BE HERE TODAY, REPRESENTING THIS ICONIC AND UNIQUE INSTRUMENT, AND TO CELEBRATE WORLD STEELPAN DAY AND HAVE THIS PROCLAMATION READ AT THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, FLORIDA. THE STEELPAN IS A PERCUSSION INSTRUMENT THAT ORIGINATED IN THE CARIBBEAN ISLAND OF TRINIDAD TOBAGO. STEELPAN MUSICIANS ARE CALLED PANS, AND A GROUP OF PANS IS CALLED A STEELBAND OR STEEL ORCHESTRA. BAMBOO STEEL ORCHESTRA IS SUPPORTED BY THE LARGEST CARIBBEAN AMERICAN ASSOCIATION IN BREVARD, BCAS FOR ITS MEMBERS AND OTHER SUPPORTERS WHO CONTINUE TO PROMOTE CULTURE FROM THE CARIBBEAN. PALM BAY HAS BEEN FORTUNATE TO HAVE EXPERIENCED PANS AND HAVE DEDICATED THEIR PERSONAL TIME AND SUPPORTED THE GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT OF THIS GROUP. WE HAVE OUR ARRANGER, MR. CEDRIC LUCES, WHO IS A PROFESSIONAL PIANIST AND OVER 60 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE. WE HAVE A GROUP OF 14 MEMBERS. WHO WORK TOGETHER WITH DEDICATION AND COMMITMENT TO KEEP THE BAND GOING. OUR GROUP PRACTICES ON MONDAYS AND WEDNESDAYS AT THE MELBOURNE FIRST CHURCH OF NAZARENE, WHERE WE WERE WELCOMED BY PASTOR JOEL TULLY TWO YEARS AGO. WE ARE NOT A SPONSORED GROUP, SO WE DEPEND ON AND APPRECIATE ANY CONTRIBUTION AND SUPPORT FROM THE COMMUNITY. IF YOU RESEARCH THE HISTORY OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND CREATION OF STEELPAN SINCE THE EARLY 1930S, YOU WILL UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS MORE THAN A MUSICAL INSTRUMENT. IT REPRESENTS RESILIENCE, PERSISTENCE, PURPOSE, CREATIVITY AND MANY MORE LIFE SKILLS. OUR PLAN IS TO SHARE THESE LIFE LESSONS THROUGH WORKSHOPS AND PRESENTATIONS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, WHILE ENJOYING THE ART OF PLAYING THE STEEL PANS. WE HAVE TODAY PERFORMED AT SEVERAL EVENTS. EMMA JEWEL CHARTER SCHOOL DURING BLACK HISTORY MONTH CLUB ESTEEM EVENTS. CITY OF PALM BAY MULTICULTURAL EVENT, FLORIDA INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY EVENT, COUPLE. CHURCH EVENTS. EASTERN FLORIDA STATE COLLEGE EVENT. WE HAVE HAD TWO BEGINNERS CLASS IN THE PAST TWO YEARS. WE ALSO CELEBRATED THE 50S IN PALM BAY. THE ANNIVERSARY AND CARIBBEAN HERITAGE MONTH. ALMOST THERE. WE ALSO DID THE BARBADOS EVENT AND RECENTLY EYES WIDE OPEN AT HOTEL MELBY. WE ARE INVITING EACH AND EVERYONE NEXT FRIDAY RIGHT HERE IN MELBOURNE AT VERNON PLACE. OKAY. THE BAND WILL BE PERFORMING AT 6 P.M. SO WE'RE LOOKING OUT FOR YOU GUYS.

WE WANT TO THANK. WE HAVE INVITED MR. AMIR CORDOVA, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, MELBOURNE

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[5. Approval of Minutes - July 28, 2026 Regular Meeting and July 29, 2026 Budget Special Meeting]

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[6. City Manager's Report]

SO WE WILL BE HAVING THAT MEETING AT 6 P.M. ON WEDNESDAY THE 19TH. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING, MAYOR, MAYOR, MR. LARUSSO, THE ANCHORING MEETING. WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH THIS FOR QUITE SOME TIME NOW WITH THE COUNTY APPROVING PERMITS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. I JUST WE RECEIVED INFORMATION THAT YOU'VE SECTIONED OFF A BALLARD PARK NOW. YES. COULD YOU EXPLAIN THAT TO US? THE CONTRACTOR IS OUT THERE RIGHT NOW INSTALLING THE BUOYS AND THE PILINGS FOR THE SITE AND PUTTING THE SIGNS ON THERE. THE CONTRACTOR IS A LITTLE AHEAD OF SCHEDULE, WHICH IS DOESN'T HAPPEN NORMALLY. AND THAT THAT'S WHY THE TIMING OF THIS MEETING IS RIGHT AFTER WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET ALL OF THE SIGNAGE UP. AND WHAT ARE OUR EXPECTATIONS WITH THE SIGNAGE AND OUR POLICE PATROL BOATS? AND I TOLD YOU THAT WE WOULDN'T NEED A MEET. NO, I'M JUST KIDDING. BUT YES, THAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE MEETING TO GO OVER THAT. BUT AND FOR THE EXPECTATIONS TO THE RESIDENTS. BUT OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT DOES HAVE A PLAN ON HOW TO GO ABOUT THE ENFORCEMENT AND HOW THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT. AND WHAT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE SET AREAS WE HAVE OUR OUR LIMITATION AREAS. AND SO AS SOON AS WE HAVE ALL THE SIGNS INSTALLED, WHICH SHOULD BE SOON HAVE THAT KICK OFF MEETING, WE WILL START ENFORCEMENT. I KNOW THAT MYSELF AND MY PREDECESSOR AND NOW MYSELF AGAIN FOR 22 YEARS HAVE BEEN ASKING AND WE'VE BEEN HIT BY THE O'GALLEY FOLKS O'GALLEY RIVER, ELBOW CREEK, THAT SORT OF THING. SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT MEETING BY THE END OF THE MONTH.

WE WILL WE'LL BE IN BUSINESS. WELL HOLY COW, THAT'LL BE REALLY COOL. THANK YOU. JENNY.

YOU'RE GOOD, I'M GOOD. OKAY. COUNCILMEMBER NEWMAN. YEP. SO THIS I THOUGHT THIS WAS BEST UNDER HERE BECAUSE MISS LAMB AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS DURING OUR ONE ON ONE SESSION ON FRIDAY. SHE PUT ME IN CONTACT WITH THE FAMILY MEMBERS OF LIEUTENANT BEST OF OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT. LIEUTENANT BEST WAS OUR FIRST BLACK FIREFIGHTER IN THE MELBOURNE FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND HE TRAGICALLY DIED FROM CANCER. AND AN INTERESTING SITUATION OCCURRED WITH OUR CITY IS THAT THERE WAS THIS LAW THAT WAS PASSED AT THE STATE WHERE HE, BECAUSE HE DIED BEFORE THAT LAW WAS PASSED, HE WASN'T RECOGNIZED IN AN HONORABLE WAY. SO I TALKED TO HIS FAMILY MEMBERS ARE REAL QUICK. ARE THERE ANY FAMILY MEMBERS IN THE AUDIENCE? I WAS TOLD THAT SOME MIGHT COME. ALL RIGHT. WE GOT ONE OF HIS FAMILY MEMBERS TO COME UP. AND IF YOU WANT TO COME UP AND SAY SOMETHING, IF THAT'S OKAY OR WHATEVER, YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO. BUT THAT BEING SAID, I HEARD THAT THAT IN DISTRICT IN DISTRICT THREE. WE HAVE A FIRE STATION 75 WHERE HE HAD WORKED AT. AND THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO NAME THE FIRE STATION AFTER HIM. SO I WAS HOPING WE COULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION RIGHT NOW TO NAME FIRE

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RIGHT, RIGHT. SO THAT'S THAT'S THE ONLY THING WE'RE DOING. SO IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE ANYBODY'S ADDRESS. VICE MAYOR. NO. SO I ALSO WASN'T I WAS IN CONTACT WITH SOME OF THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS. SO AND ALSO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ABOUT THE SAME THING. SO ALTHOUGH THIS IS IN DISTRICT THREE, I DO, I'M ALWAYS IN THAT COMMUNITY AND NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I THINK THIS IS A WONDERFUL INITIATIVE IN SUPPORT OF. AND HE WAS THE FIRST FIRST LIEUTENANT, FIRST BLACK LIEUTENANT, AND THAT ACTUALLY WAS ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL BECAUSE HE GOES TO GREAT. HE WENT HE'S A LONG STANDING MEMBER OF GREAT ISLAND CHURCH. AND SO I KNOW THE PASTOR THERE AND A COUPLE OF THE PEOPLE THERE. SO THESE ARE GREAT INITIATIVE. AND IT REALLY TIES IN WITH THE DESIGNATION OF HISTORIC SOUTH MELBOURNE AND THINGS THAT WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO, TO TRY TO IMPROVE AND DO IN THAT AREA. SO YEAH. AWESOME. YEAH. REAL QUICK, AND I WANT TO THANK THE DISTRICT MEMBER FOR THEIR DISTRICT THREE FOR BRINGING THIS INITIATIVE FORWARD AND PROMOTING IT AND MAKING THAT HAPPEN. GOOD JOB IN YOUR DISTRICT. THANK YOU, SIR, I APPRECIATE THAT. I APPRECIATE YOU WITH THAT. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? DO YOU NEED TO SAY ANYTHING? WE NEED A SECOND AND A VOTE. I WAS GOING TO CALL ON YOU TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE MOTION. SURE. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. YEAH. MOTION TO RENAME TO DIRECT STAFF TO. IS IT A SIMILAR APPLICATION? WHAT WOULD IT TECHNICALLY BE HERE. YOUR YOUR ACTION FUNCTIONS AS THE APPLICATION. THAT'S WHAT THE CODE LANGUAGE SAYS. SO REALLY WE'RE JUST LOOKING WELL WE'RE LOOKING FOR THAT DIRECTION TO, TO MOVE FORWARD TO BRING YOU BACK THAT RESOLUTION FOR THE FOR THE RENAMING. SO MOTION TO MOVE FORWARD ON THE RENAMING OF FIRE STATION 75 AFTER LIEUTENANT BEST. SECOND, I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER NEUMANN AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER BEST. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY I, I, I AND I VOTE AYE. AND THAT MOTION PASSES. THAT'S WHAT YOU NEEDED, RIGHT, MISS LAMB? YEAH. OKAY. NEXT WE'RE MOVING

[7. Public Comments]

JUST KIDDING. IF YOU COULD JUST WAIT, WE HAVE TO DO PUBLIC COMMENTS FIRST. SO WE'RE MOVING TO NUMBER SEVEN, WHICH IS PUBLIC COMMENTS. AND WE HAVE ONE. WE HAVE BILL LUNDELL. LET ME SEE IF I CAN GET. THANK YOU EVERYBODY, MADAM MAYOR, AND EVERYBODY. MY NAME IS BILL LUNDELL. I LIVE IN INDIAN HARBOR BEACH 3291 70 CHRISTIE DRIVE 32937. I'M HERE TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE CURRENT CITY MELBOURNE, BUT THE MELBOURNE CITY COUNCIL FROM 40 YEARS AGO, MY JOURNEY BEGAN IN THE FIRST WEEK OF OCTOBER OF 1986. THE CITY HIRED ME TO WORK IN THE SEWER DEPARTMENT. JANUARY 1ST, 1980. JANUARY 4TH, 1987. I DONATED MY FIRST GALLON OF WHOLE BLOOD. I MEAN MY FIRST PINT OF WHOLE BLOOD. BY THEN AND AT NOW. I'M SORRY. RIGHT NOW I'M A LITTLE. RIGHT NOW I'M AT 163 GALLONS DONATED ONTO 164. I HAVE A COUPLE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN HEAR ME. MAYBE I HAVE A COUPLE THINGS HERE ABOUT THE MEDIA. AND THE MEDIA LIKES TO FOCUS ON LIVING BLOOD, LIVING ORGAN DONORS. AND YOU THINK OF IT, IT'S A ONCE IN A LIFETIME EXPERIENCE AND I'M HAPPY FOR THEM. ACCORDING TO ONEBLOOD, I'VE DONATED TO OVER 4000 PEOPLE OVER THE YEARS. I QUESTION THAT NUMBER, BUT I, YOU KNOW, I'VE DONATED 4000 ONCE, ONCE IN A LIFETIME TO THESE PEOPLE AND TO THE RECIPIENTS. THAT WHAT WHAT GETS

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WE NEED YOUR BLOOD. YOUR BLOOD IS, IS NO DIFFERENT THAN ANYBODY ELSE'S. SO I ALWAYS TRY TO REMEMBER THAT IF SHE'S OUT THERE, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHATEVER HAPPENED TO HER. BUT AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO THANK THE CITY COUNCIL TONIGHT AND THE CITY COUNCIL 20, 40 YEARS AGO FOR HIRING ME. THAT PUT ME ON THIS JOURNEY FOR THE PAST 40 YEARS. AND THAT'S IT. THANK YOU AND THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT ALL. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

AND NOW I'D LIKE TO CALL UP GEORGIANA GILLETTE FROM THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE TPO FOR THE SPACE COAST TRANSPORTATION ORGANIZATION COUNCIL TOUR. THANK YOU SO MUCH, VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. EVERY FEW YEARS WE LIKE TO GET OUT THERE AND GO ON A LITTLE COUNCIL TOUR JUST TO REINTRODUCE OURSELVES, ESPECIALLY TO THE NEW MEMBERS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALL RIGHT. SO WE ARE YOUR REGIONAL METROPOLITAN PLANNING ORGANIZATION FOR BREVARD. AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS WE PLAN, PRIORITIZE AND FUND TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS USING STATE AND FEDERAL FUNDS. TO ACHIEVE THAT, WE HAVE TO WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH OUR FDOT PARTNERS, CITY AND COUNTY STAFF, WHICH WE HAVE A WONDERFUL RELATIONSHIP WITH YOUR STAFF, OUR MODAL AGENCIES AND OUR CITIZENS TO HELP ADDRESS OUR NEEDS. BIG SHOUT OUT GOES TO COUNCIL MEMBERS HANLEY SMITH AND COUNCIL MEMBER LARUSSO FOR BEING OUR GOVERNING BOARD MEMBERS AND YOUR LEADERSHIP.

AND I KNOW COUNCIL MEMBER NEWMAN ATTENDS THE MEETINGS AS WELL AS AN ALTERNATE. SO WE REALLY APPRECIATE THAT LEADERSHIP. THE PLANNING BRIDGE SERVES TO ILLUSTRATE THE CONNECTION BETWEEN OUR VARIOUS DELIVERABLES, WHICH ARE VERY IMPORTANT. IT BEGINS WITH OUR ADVANCED 2050 LONG RANGE TRANSPORTATION PLAN, AND IT ENDS WITH A PROJECT ACTUALLY RECEIVING FUNDING IN THE DOT WORK PROGRAM, WHICH IS REALLY WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT, IS ACTUALLY GETTING THAT MONEY HERE IN BREVARD COUNTY AND THEN SUBSEQUENTLY ENTERING OUR TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, LARGE TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS, AS YOU ALL KNOW, CAN TAKE ANYWHERE FROM 15 TO 20 YEARS. SO IT'S A LONG ROAD TO IMPLEMENTATION. CURRENTLY, THERE ARE 110 PROJECTS AMOUNTING TO $1.2 BILLION OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS IN THE WORK PROGRAM. AND THIS IS REAL MONEY ON REAL PROJECTS FOR ALL MODES. THAT REALLY IMPROVES OUR QUALITY OF LIFE HERE IN BREVARD COUNTY. I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT TWO PROJECTS. OF COURSE, THE ELLIS ROAD WIDENING HAS BEEN A PRIORITY. WE WENT BACK AND LOOKED FOR 14 YEARS ON THE TPO AT THE TOP OF THE LIST, AND I THINK WE'RE ALL HAPPY TO KNOW THAT IT IS NOW FULLY FUNDED. THE CONTRACT WAS AWARDED TO MASSEY AND WILL BE ROUGHLY A TWO AND A HALF YEAR CONTRACT. SOME OF THE UTILITY WORK IS HAPPENING NOW IN ADVANCE OF CONSTRUCTION. BUT, YOU KNOW, MAJOR DRAINAGE, THIS IS THIS IS A MASSIVE PROJECT. SO WE MAY EXPERIENCE A LITTLE PAIN BEFORE IT'S ALL OVER. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S GOING TO BE A WONDERFUL PROJECT, MAJOR SUCCESS FOR OUR COMMUNITY THAT COULD NOT HAVE BEEN ACHIEVED WITHOUT THE PARTNERSHIP FROM MELBOURNE, THE MELBOURNE, ORLANDO INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, EVEN THE MELBOURNE CHAMBER, WHICH WERE HUGE ADVOCATES. BUT IT WAS A FUNDING PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN ALL OF US AND THE FDOT. SO THAT'S HOW YOU MAKE THOSE REALLY GOOD PROJECTS HAPPEN. THERE ARE TWO

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ELECTRIC VEHICLES DON'T PAY ANY GAS TAX. WE HAVE INCREASED GROWTH'S GROWTH IN JOBS AND POPULATION. TOURISM HAS RESULTED IN MORE VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED AND MORE TRANSPORTATION DEMAND ON OUR ROADWAYS. SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, MORE FINANCIAL RESOURCES NEED TO BE BROUGHT INTO THE PICTURE, NOT TAKEN AWAY. WE NEED OUR LEGISLATORS TO REALLY ALLOW THE DOT TO STUDY A REPLACEMENT FOR THE MOTOR FUEL TAX. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS. THERE COULD BE A COMBINATION OF ANSWERS, BUT IF THEY DON'T STUDY IT HERE WE ARE IN THE SITUATION THAT WE'RE IN, AND POTENTIALLY WE COULD BE COMING UP ON A FINANCIAL CLIFF.

THIS WAS OUR FINANCIAL MOMENT WHEN WE WERE DEVELOPING OUR LONG RANGE PLAN. THIS IS OUR FINANCIAL NEEDS VERSUS OUR FINANCIAL RESOURCES, COMPARING OUR LAST LONG RANGE PLAN, WHICH WAS FIVE YEARS AGO TO THE ONE WE JUST ADOPTED IN DECEMBER, WE HAVE $722 MILLION LESS TO WORK WITH. ONLY 9% OF THOSE NEEDS CAN BE FUNDED UNDER OUR CURRENT COST FEASIBLE PLAN OUT TO 2050.

AND THESE ARE OUR MOBILITY NEEDS FOR THE NEXT 25 YEARS. SO THAT'S IT WAS QUITE A SHOCK TO OUR BOARD MEMBERS, CREATED A LOT OF CONVERSATION, BUT SOMETHING NEEDS TO CHANGE REGARDING THAT. BUT I'M GOING TO END ON A POSITIVE NOTE. AND THAT IS THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE HAVE COMING UP CONCERNING ADVANCEMENT OF NEW TECHNOLOGIES AND INNOVATIONS. WE'VE GOT CONNECTED AND AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES, AUTONOMOUS MICRO SHUTTLES IN VARIOUS CENTRAL FLORIDA LOCATIONS TO SUPPORT THAT FIRST AND LAST MILE SOLUTIONS. AIR TAXIS, KNOWN AS ADVANCED AIR MOBILITY, YOU MAY HAVE HEARD ABOUT THAT WOULD TAKE OFF AND LAND AT PLACES CALLED VERTIPORTS. THERE'S NEW LEGISLATION THAT ALLOWS THE USE OF STATE AND FEDERAL FUNDING FOR THIS NEW MODE TO, YOU KNOW, TO GET IT OFF THE GROUND TO ASSIST THE PRIVATE SECTOR.

FLORIDA IS GOING TO BE A LEADER IN THAT, ACCORDING TO THE GOVERNOR AND SECRETARY PERDUE.

AND THE VEHICLES ARE GOING THROUGH A CERTIFICATION PROCESS RIGHT NOW AND WILL BE TESTED IN AIRSPACE BY THE END OF THE YEAR. SO IT SEEMS THAT WE REALLY ARE IN THE AGE OF FLYING CARS, JUST LIKE THE JETSONS. SO THAT'S VERY EXCITING. ALSO, WE OFTEN TALK ABOUT HOW TO IMPROVE OUR ROADS, BUT HOW DO WE UTILIZE OUR ROADS BETTER? SO WITH BREVARD COUNTY'S NEW REGIONAL TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT CENTER, WHICH IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW, RIGHT OFF OF THE PINEDA CAUSEWAY, IT WILL ALLOW THEM TO SQUEEZE MORE CAPACITY, IMPROVE OPERATIONS AND IMPROVE SAFETY ON THE FLY IN REAL TIME. IT INTEGRATES ALL OF THE INTELLIGENT TRANSPORTATION SYSTEMS TO CONTROL AND MONITOR SIGNALS, USING ALL OF THE TECHNOLOGIES AVAILABLE. AND THEN, OF COURSE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE OPERATORS WITH THE BRAIN POWER TO MONITOR AND MAKE SURE YOUR SIGNALS ARE OPERATING CORRECTLY AND CAN MAKE THOSE REAL TIME CHANGES ON THE FLY. I JUST GOT A CALL LAST WEEK AND I CONTACTED BREVARD COUNTY TRAFFIC ENGINEERING, AND BETWEEN THEM AND TITUSVILLE AND DOT IT WAS FIXED AND IT WAS CAUSING A MAJOR PROBLEM. SO IT'S REALLY EXCITING TO SEE THAT. AND THEN FINALLY, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN ANXIOUSLY WAITING TO HEAR ABOUT THE COCOA MULTIMODAL STATION. AND CONGRESSMAN HARIDOPOLOS FOUND OUT TODAY THAT THAT THE CITY OF COCOA AND THE TPO RECEIVED THE $57.5 MILLION GRANT FROM THE

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AND SO GREAT OPPORTUNITIES, OUR ECONOMIC DRIVERS HERE IN BREVARD COUNTY REALLY DEMANDS SOMETHING ELSE BESIDES WIDENING ROADS, THAT IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE LUCKY TO GET ONE ROAD WIDENED IN A 14 YEARS. SO WE'RE VERY EXCITED. BUT I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP HERE AT MELBOURNE AND AND JUST LET YOU KNOW THAT WE'RE HERE TO ASSIST IN ANY WAY THAT WE CAN.

AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING FOR MISTER COUNCIL MEMBER? YES. VICE MAYOR, GREAT PRESENTATION. THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO. AND LIKE YOU JUST POINTED OUT THAT MELBOURNE IS VERY REPRESENTED ON THE TPO BOARD, INCLUDING THE CITIZENS ADVISORY BOARD AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND ON THURSDAY YOU HAD MYSELF AND THE TWO CHIEFS OUT AND WE SPOKE AT DON'T STOP. I MEAN, STOP ON RED. I SAID DON'T STOP. STOP ON RED AND ALWAYS STOP ON, ALWAYS STOP ON RED CORRECTED. RIGHT. LIKE DON'T STOP. NO, ALWAYS STOP ON RED.

AND SO THAT WAS A, THAT WAS A GREAT EVENT ALSO. SO I DEFINITELY APPRECIATE THE, THE INTERACTION AND THE ENGAGEMENT THAT WE HAVE AND LOOKING FORWARD TO, TO SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS AND MAYBE FIGURING OUT IF THERE'S WAYS TO, TO GET FUNDING OR AT LEAST TO FIGURE OUT MORE EFFICIENT WAYS TO, TO MANAGE WHAT WE HAVE. SO THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO. YES, SIR. IT WAS ONE OF OUR BEST STOP ON RED EVENTS BECAUSE IT WAS IN THE CITY OF MELBOURNE ALSO. AND, YOU KNOW, HAVING CHIEF GILLESPIE AND THE FIRE CHIEF THERE AND EVERYONE, IT WAS JUST REALLY IMPRESSIVE. AND WE WERE VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THAT. VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER NEWMAN. AND THEN. OH, PLEASE, I DIDN'T SEE YOUR HAND. SO I'M JUST GOING TO PICK ON YOU FOR A SECOND. IT'S ALL IN FUN. SO I'M VERY GRATEFUL THAT CONGRESSMAN HARIDOPOLOS GOT US THE, YOU KNOW, GAVE US THE NEWS ABOUT THAT STATION. SO WHEN CAN WE PUT IN FOR MELBOURNE ONE? WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A MELBOURNE ONE. WELL, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I'LL WRITE THE APPLICATION. I WILL TELL YOU, I'M PICKING ON YOU. BUT YEAH, I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE TPO WOULD BE VERY OPEN TO THE CONVERSATION. IF WE CAN GET BRIGHTLINE TO BE OPEN TO THE CONVERSATION AND QUITE FRANKLY, WITHIN TIME. YEAH. WHO KNOWS, WE MAY HAVE MORE OF THE COMMUTER RAIL ON AT DIFFERENT TIMES, BUT FOR NOW, IT'S JUST BETWEEN THOSE MAJOR CITIES. BUT YEAH, THE FUTURE, WHO KNOWS WHAT IT WILL BRING? WELL, MY COMMERCIALS, WE GOT TWO BEAUTIFUL DOWNTOWNS. WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE ONE. YES, I AGREE, I AGREE, YES. COUNCIL MEMBER HI. GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN. GOOD TO SEE YOU. THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO. THANK YOU. IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME THAT I'VE KNOWN YOU AND YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB. AND YOUR PREDECESSOR BOB WAS YOU KNOW, HE HE WAS IN ANKLE DEEP. EVERY TIME WE HAD A CONVERSATION. I WANT TO COMMENT ON THE ELLIS ROAD PROJECT. I'M VERY PROUD OF THAT. IT'S 15 YEARS IN THE MAKING, AS YOU SAID, BUT IT'S A DIRECT LINE INTO FROM THE HERITAGE PARKWAY DOWN INTO DIRECTLY INTO OUR MELBOURNE AIRPORT. AND THAT IS GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO SEE SOME AIR CARGO OPPORTUNITIES THERE THAT WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO AFFORD BECAUSE THE TRANSPORTATION, THE GROUND TRANSPORTATION COULD NOT AFFORD TO BE ABLE TO GET THERE IN THAT WAY. I WANT TO BRING YOU BACK A COUPLE OF YEARS TO LORETTA HAND.

DO YOU REMEMBER LORETTA? YES, YES. SHE SAT DOWN THERE FOR 20 SOMETHING YEARS, AND THAT WAS 15 YEARS FOR ELLIS. BUT SHE WENT AFTER AND DID NOT LET UP ON THE APOLLO ROAD EXTENSION.

AFTER 25 YEARS. SHE SHE GOT THAT DONE. AND IT WAS UNDER YOUR LEADERSHIP AND UNDER YOUR GUIDANCE THAT HAD THAT MADE THAT HAPPEN. I'M DISAPPOINTED IN IN THE GOVERNOR AND I'LL SAY IT OUT LOUD BECAUSE HE REPEALED THE THE AVIATION TAX, AVIATION FUEL TAX, LIKE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE LOGIC TAX, 4.3 $0.07 PER GALLON, ALL AVIATION FUEL. BUT YOU CAN'T LOOK OVER YOUR SHOULDER, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, SO THAT WAS THAT WAS A MAJOR CUT IN OUR FUNDING. BUT I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO, FOR YOUR INSPIRATION FOR ENCOURAGEMENT.

YOU DID YOU FIRST TIME I WAS BACK, YOU REALLY DID ENCOURAGE ME TO JUST YOU SAID, MARK, JUST BE YOU. AND SO UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S WHAT YOU GOT. YOU GOT ME. WELL, THANK YOU, SIR, BUT THANK YOU. THAT MEANS A LOT. IT MEANS A LOT TO ME. TO YOU. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE. WE APPRECIATE THE UPDATES. AS ALWAYS. MOVING ON. WE HAVE

[8. Work Order No. 14 to the Storm Drain Cleaning, Repairs and Maintenance contract for the Cured-in-Place Pipe Lining of Croftwood Dr., Project No. 14325, Shenandoah General Construction, LLC, Pompano Beach, FL - $443,536.25.]

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SEEING. YES. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THE APPROVAL OF WORK ORDER NUMBER 14 TO THE STORM DRAIN. CLEANING, REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE CONTRACT WITH SHENANDOAH GENERAL CONSTRUCTION, LLC, POMPANO BEACH, FLORIDA, FOR THE CROFT WOOD DRIVE PIPELINING REPAIRS AND THE AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $443,537. SECOND. THANK YOU. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN NEWMAN AND A SECOND BY COUNCILWOMAN BASSET. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE AND ANY NAYS? ANYBODY OPPOSED? NO.

[9. CONSENT AGENDA:]

[11. Resolution No. 4428: (Public Hearing) A resolution certifying the Stormwater Utility Assessment Roll.]

VICE MAYOR COUNCIL THANK YOU AGAIN. THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 11. THIS IS FOR THE CERTIFICATION OF THE STORMWATER UTILITY ASSESSMENT ROLL FOR FISCAL YEAR 2026 2027. THE CITY IS REQUIRED BY SECTION 197.3632, THE FLORIDA STATUTES TO CERTIFY THE NON AD VALOREM ASSESSMENT ROLL TO THE TAX COLLECTOR BY SEPTEMBER 15TH OF EACH YEAR. THE ASSESSMENT ROLL LISTS THE CALCULATED STORMWATER UTILITY FEE FOR EVERY PARCEL IN THE CITY, AND IS USED BY THE TAX COLLECTOR TO BUILD PROPERTY OWNERS ON THEIR TAX BILL. THE ASSESSMENT RATE OF $44 PER YEAR, OR EQUIVALENT RESIDENTIAL UNIT WAS USED TO CALCULATE THE ASSESSMENT ROLL PER THE ASSESSMENT ROLL TOTAL AMOUNT BILLED FOR 33,000 PARCELS IS $3,089,121.76. THE CERTIFICATION OF THE ROLL IS REQUIRED TO COLLECT THE REVENUE FOR THE NON AD VALOREM ASSESSMENT, AND WE'RE REQUESTING APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION NUMBER 4428. I DID WANT TO NOTE THAT THE THE ASSESSMENT RATE HAS NOT CHANGED FOR THIS YEAR, BUT WE ARE PROCEEDING WITH A STORMWATER ASSESSMENT TO GET AN UPDATED RATE. AND WE'RE ANTICIPATING THAT OCCURRING WITHIN THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS. WE'LL GO THROUGH THE STORMWATER ASSESSMENT AND STUDY PROCESS FOR THAT, AND WE'LL BE COMING BACK TO COUNCIL WITH THE PROPOSED OR SUGGESTED RATE FOR UPDATE. THANK YOU. ALSO HAD AN ADDITIONAL 12 PARCELS THAT WERE ADDED TO THE ROLL THIS YEAR FROM LAST YEAR'S ASSESSMENT. SO WOW, 12,000 EVEN THIS IS A

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SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER HANLEY AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER BASSETT. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE, AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AND I VOTE AYE. AND THAT MOTION PASSES. MOVING

[12. Lien Rescission No. CE#2023-000313: (Public Hearing) Recommendation from the Code Enforcement Board that the lien balance amount of $19,200 not be reduced for the cited respondents and property located at 2528-2546 Pineapple Avenue. (Cited Respondent(s)/Current Owner(s): Silver Pineapple, LLC) (Applicant: Silver Pineapple, LLC)]

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NEVER HAPPENED. AND THANK YOU FOR, FOR FINDING THAT AND RECOGNIZING THAT. AND I AM WHOLEHEARTEDLY BEHIND YOU, MISS HANLEY, THAT WE STICK WITH THE. 192 I MEAN, IS THAT WHAT IT IS, $19,200? IF WE COULD PUT MORE, I WOULD PUT MORE TO THEM WITH WHAT THEY DID TO THESE PEOPLE.

THIS IS WELL, WE CAN'T GO BACKWARDS, I KNOW, BUT I WISH WE KNOW WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US.

WE KNOW WHAT THEY DID. AND SO WE KNOW THAT IS THE APPLICANT EVEN HERE. I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I WOULD ASK. IF NOT, THEN IT'S NOT IMPORTANT TO THEM. SO IT'S NOT IMPORTANT TO THEM. IT'S IMPORTANT TO ME THOUGH. SO I'M GOING TO GO FORWARD THE ENTIRE I'M NOT GOING TO LOOK FOR A LEAN RECESSION AT ALL. AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE HARD WORK AND THE GOOD JOB THAT YOU'VE DONE. MARK, ON THIS. YOU AND YOUR AND YOUR STAFF. THIS WAS HARD TO OVERCOME. IT REALLY WAS. THANK YOU. SOMEONE'S CALLING TIME. OH, THAT'S MY TIME. NO, I HAD A TIME. THERE'S YOUR THREE MINUTES. THREE MINUTES IS UP. I WOULD STATE THAT OUR STAFF, FIELD STAFF ESPECIALLY, ARE VERY DILIGENT IN TRYING TO BRING THESE CASES TO COMPLIANCE. AND AS NOTED IN THE CASE REPORT, IT TOOK OVER A YEAR BEFORE WE EVEN GOT TO A CODE BOARD HEARING. SO THE STAFF IS ALWAYS WILLING TO WORK WITH RESPONDENTS TO TRY TO GET THEM WHERE THEY NEED TO BE. IF WE GET THEM TO IF WE HAVE TO TAKE THEM TO A HEARING, IT'S NOT BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T DONE WHAT WE EVERYTHING WE COULD TO TRY TO GET THEM TO THE RIGHT PLACE OF COMPLIANCE. YES. AND I JUST HAVE ONE. ONE THING TO ADD IS THAT THESE FINES ARE IN PLACE IN ORDER TO DETER PEOPLE FROM BEING EGREGIOUS WITH THEIR NONCOMPLIANCE. SO IF WE'RE CONTINUING TO ALLOW REDUCTIONS AND REDUCTIONS AND REDUCTIONS, THEN THOSE FINES MEAN NOTHING.

SO I'M A BIG PROPONENT OF UNLESS THERE'S SOME STORY BEHIND IT, I'M NOT WILLING TO REDUCE THIS EITHER. VICE MAYOR. AS I INDICATED BEFORE, ANY ANY KIND OF DOCUMENTATION THAT'S BEEN ALTERED FOR GOVERNMENT, I DON'T CARE WHAT KIND OF CONTRACT IT IS OR WHERE IT IS, HAPPENS TO ME, MY TO BE MY MY DISTRICT. SO I'M GOING TO GO FOR APPROVAL OF CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARDS. RECOMMENDATION. DO WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS? YES, IT IS PUBLIC HEARING. WE HAVE NOBODY. OKAY. NO. OKAY. LET'S GO. APPROVAL FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARDS. RECOMMENDATIONS DENIED. THE REQUEST FOR REDUCTION OF THE AMOUNT OF FORWARD LEAN NUMBER C E NUMBER 2023-00313. WITH THE FINE REMAINING AT THE CURRENT BALANCE AMOUNT OF $19,200 AGAINST THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND CITED RESPONSIVE RESPONSES.

RESPONDENTS UNTIL PAID. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN LARUSSO AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH. WE'LL GO WITH THAT. OH, I THINK IT WAS RIGHT AT THE SAME TIME. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY I. I DID THE EXACT SAME TIME. THANK YOU. AND I VOTE AYE. AND THAT MOTION PASSES. IT

[13. Declaration of Critical Community Need for Providence Connects, Inc. for Housing Case Manager Assistance in FY 2026-2027.]

YES. GOOD EVENING, VICE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL CINDY DITTMER, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR.

SO THIS IS A REQUEST FOR CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER THE DECLARATION OF A CRITICAL COMMUNITY NEED FOR FUNDING FOR PROVIDENCE CONNECTS, INC. TO PROVIDE HOUSING CASE MANAGER SERVICES TO ASSIST THE CHRONICALLY HOMELESS DURING OUR UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR 2027. AS COUNCIL IS AWARE, THE CITY HAS WORKED DILIGENTLY OVER THE YEARS TRYING TO ASSIST THE HOMELESS COMMUNITY, AND THROUGH THAT, WE'VE ANNUALLY GRANTED WHAT ORIGINALLY WAS STEADY TOWN THEN TRANSITIONED TO DAILY BREAD AND DAILY BREAD IS NOW TRANSITIONED TO PROVIDENCE CONNECTS. SO FOR THE LAST NINE YEARS, CITY COUNCIL HAS FUNDED THE ANNUAL AGREEMENT FOR THE HOUSING CASE MANAGER SERVICES, AND IT STARTED OUT ORIGINALLY AS ONE HOUSING CASE MANAGER AT TRANSITIONED TO TWO SEVERAL YEARS BACK. THE CITY HAD FUNDED THOSE AT $100,000 FOR THOSE TWO CASE MANAGER SERVICES. JUST AS A REMINDER, CITY COUNCIL EARLIER THIS YEAR CHANGED YOUR CITY COUNCIL POLICY NUMBER TEN. THAT'S RELATED TO GRANTED AID AND CRITICAL COMMUNITY NEED.

THE DEFINITION OF WHAT IS A CRITICAL COMMUNITY NEED REMAINS THE SAME, WHICH IS A SOCIAL

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AS IT IS TODAY, IT WAS PREVIOUSLY REALLY A THREE STEP PROCESS. SO TONIGHT IS REALLY THE FIRST STEP IN THE DECLARATION OF THE CRITICAL COMMUNITY NEED. IF THE SECOND STEP, IF A BUDGET IS PUT FORTH TO FUND THIS, THEN A FUNDING AGREEMENT WOULD COME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL AFTER OCTOBER 1ST, ONCE WE'RE IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. SO TONIGHT WOULD JUST BE THE CONSIDERATION OF DECLARING THE CRITICAL COMMUNITY NEED. AND WITH THAT, STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND DECLARATION OF THE CRITICAL COMMUNITY NEED FOR THE HOUSING CASE MANAGER, ASSISTANCE TO ASSIST THE CHRONICALLY HOMELESS POPULATION BY PROVIDENCE CONNECTS INKS INC. WITHIN THE CITY OF MELBOURNE. THANK YOU. AND JUST KNOW I HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT CARD HERE. IS IT OKAY IF I CALL THAT PERSON UP FIRST OR. SURE, SURE. YEAH. OKAY. SO WITH THAT MR. JEFFREY NOOSE, WHY DON'T YOU COME ON UP? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

JEFFREY NOOSE WITH PROVIDENCE CONNECTS HERE IN MELBOURNE, 17 EAST HIBISCUS BOULEVARD. NOW, AFTER OUR MERGER WITH THE SHARING CENTER, WE'RE THERE IN THE BEAUTIFUL BLUE BUILDING ACROSS FROM THE THE PUBLIX PLAZA. AND OUR MISSION IS WALKING WITH OUR NEIGHBORS FROM SURVIVING TO THRIVING BY PROVIDING FOOD, HOUSING AND TRUSTED SUPPORT. IT'S A MISSION THAT'S BEEN CLARIFIED AND DEEPENED MORE THAN CHANGED AS WE'VE GROWN TOGETHER. SO THESE THREE PILLARS OF SERVICE, WHAT WE'RE PROVIDING IS FOOD, HOUSING, AND TRUSTED SUPPORT IN OUR OUTREACH. IT'S A PARTNERSHIP THAT THAT WE'VE HAD TOGETHER FOR A LONG TIME. SO I CAME TO DAILY BREAD JUST ABOUT EIGHT YEARS AGO NOW, AND RIGHT AROUND THAT TIME THAT THE PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE CITY OF MELBOURNE AND STREET TO HOME WAS STRENGTHENING AND DEVELOPING. AND SO FUNDS WERE COMING TO STREET TO HOME, REALLY WITH AN EFFORT TO ADDRESS THE ROOT CAUSES OF HOMELESSNESS BY PROVIDING HOUSING AND SUPPORT THAT COULD HELP SOMEBODY COME OUT OF A HOMELESS SITUATION. AND THAT'S STILL THE GOAL OF ALL THE FUNDS THAT WE RECEIVE FROM THE CITY OF MELBOURNE TO REALLY PROVIDE SOLUTIONS. NOW, THIS PARTNERSHIP THAT HAS STRENGTHENED OVER THE YEARS MEANT THE FUNDS STOPPED GOING THROUGH THE STEADY TOWN FOUNDATION AND WENT DIRECTLY TO DAILY BREAD AND THEN DIRECTLY TO PROVIDENCE CONNECTS THROUGH THE COURSE OF OUR MERGER. BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE FAIR TO LOOK AT ANOTHER IMPORTANT MOMENT OF TRANSITION THAT HAPPENED A YEAR AND A HALF AGO WHEN I WAS HERE BEFORE CITY COUNCIL, AND WE AGREED TOGETHER TO CLOSE THE FEE AVENUE OUTREACH CENTER. I DROVE BY THERE ON ON THE WAY HERE TODAY, AND IT'S VERY MUCH CLOSED AND TRANSFORMING INTO A MEDICAL OFFICE. WE KNEW ALONG WITH YOU THAT THIS WAS THE BEST THING FOR OUR CITY TO ADDRESS THE HOMELESS POPULATION, NOT AT ONE LOCATION, BUT SPREAD THROUGHOUT THE CITY. SO NOW WE HAVE FOUR OUTREACH ACCESS POINTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, WHERE WE'RE PROVIDING OUTREACH THROUGH THIS STEP BY STEP PROCESS, BUILDING RAPPORT, PROVIDING WHAT PEOPLE NEED. BUT MOST OF ALL, IT HAPPENS WITH A CASE MANAGEMENT RELATIONSHIP WHERE OUR SOCIAL WORK TEAM, THEY ROLL UP THEIR SLEEVES AND GET CREATIVE WITH PEOPLE ABOUT HOW TO GET OFF THE STREET. ALL THE PICTURES OF PEOPLE THAT YOU'VE SEEN IN THESE SLIDES ARE PEOPLE THAT WE'VE HELPED OFF THE STREET IN THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF SINCE OUR TRANSITION TO MOBILE OUTREACH. NOW, AS YOU KNOW, PROVIDENCE PLACE IS ON THE HORIZON. WE WILL BE PROVIDING 120 UNITS WITH A VERY SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT FROM THE CITY OF MELBOURNE TO A NUMBER OF PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS IN OUR COMMUNITY. THAT'S GOING TO BE A HUGE IMPACT, BUT WE'RE NOT WAITING FOR THAT. THAT THAT WORK AT PROVIDENCE PLACE WILL GO HAND IN GLOVE WITH OUR OUTREACH WHILE WE CONTINUE TO HELP PEOPLE GET OFF THE STREET. NOW, WE WILL CONTINUE WITH THAT OUTREACH. ONCE PROVIDENCE PLACE IS OPEN, THROUGH THAT TEAM OF SOCIAL WORKERS AND TWO OF WHOM ARE FUNDED BY THE CITY OF MELBOURNE. SO ONE LAST POINT I'D LIKE TO MAKE IS IT'S A POINT I'VE MADE TIME AND TIME AGAIN OVER THESE LAST SEVERAL YEARS THROUGHOUT OUR COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY IN VARIOUS MEETINGS AROUND THE COUNTY, THAT THE CITY OF MELBOURNE HAS TAKEN THE LEAD IN ADDRESSING HOMELESSNESS IN OUR COMMUNITY. BY NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT HOMELESSNESS, I GO TO OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, OTHER MEETINGS AROUND THE

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SO THANK YOU FOR THE SUPPORT THAT YOU'VE GIVEN OVER THE YEARS. I KNOW THAT IN THE MIDST OF A BUDGETARY CONSTRAINTS, THESE QUESTIONS COME UP. I CERTAINLY RESPECT THAT. BUT THIS PARTNERSHIP HAS PAID OFF OVER TIME, AND I HOPE WE CAN LOOK TOGETHER TO THE FUTURE AND TO SEE WHAT WE CONTINUE TO BUILD TOGETHER. THANK YOU. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISTER NEWS AT ALL? VICE MAYOR, MR. NEWMAN. HEY, HOW'S IT GOING, JEFF? GOOD. SO FIRST OF ALL, EXCITED TO SEE PROVIDENCE PLACE AROUND THE CORNER FROM MY HOUSE. SO I'LL BE SEEING THAT VISUAL WAS WAS A NICE REMINDER OF HOW IT'S GOING TO BE A NICE, CLEAN, GREAT FACILITY AND ALL THAT THERE. BUT THAT SAID, SPEAKING PARTICULARLY BECAUSE IN MY PARTICULAR DISTRICT, I'LL HAVE PROVIDENCE PLACE HERITAGE PARK. AND THEN ALSO I THINK I'M NOT NOT ALL OF THE MOBILE OUTREACH, BUT I SAY A GOOD PORTION OF IT. SO OCCASIONALLY I'LL HEAR JUST ABOUT THINGS GOING ON WITH IT.

SO JUST SPECIFICALLY ON THE MOBILE OUTREACH PORTION OF IT, ARE THOSE IS THAT GOING TO CONTINUE AT THE SAME CAPACITY ONCE PROVIDENCE PLACE IS COMPLETED? IS THAT LIKE ITS OWN SEPARATE PROGRAM WITHIN? COULD YOU GO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ABOUT HOW THEY KIND OF INTERSECT, IF YOU WILL? YES, IT IS. IT IS A SEPARATE PROGRAM THAT I WOULD WOULD SAY WORKS HAND IN HAND WITH WITH WHATEVER HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES WE HAVE, PROVIDENCE PLACE BEING BEING THE MAJOR ONE. OUR GOAL WHEN WE'RE TALKING TO PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS IN THOSE ACCESS POINTS IS HOW CAN WE GET YOU OFF THE STREET INTO HOUSING? WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO A YEAR FROM NOW. WE HOPE TO OPEN IN JULY OF NEXT YEAR. WE'RE ON TARGET FOR THAT OPENING TO HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WORKING TOWARDS THAT HOUSING OPPORTUNITY, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT OTHER ONES AS WELL. THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE ANSWER FOR EVERYONE. SO THE OUTREACH ACCESS POINTS PROVIDE US WITH A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY. AND I WOULD SAY WE'RE CONTINUING TO MONITOR WHICH ACCESS POINTS ARE MOST EFFECTIVE, WHICH MIGHT BE FITTING IN SEAMLESSLY INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD SITUATION, WHICH ONE MIGHT NEED TO ADJUST. I'M VERY PROUD OF THE FACT THAT WE WENT MORE THAN A YEAR WITH EACH OF OUR PARTNERSHIPS STANDING STRONG. EACH OF THOSE ACCESS POINTS DEPENDS ON A PARTNERSHIP WITH A CHURCH OR ANOTHER NONPROFIT, AND WE WERE ABLE TO TO GET THROUGH THAT YEAR OF MAINTAINING THOSE. AND NOW AS WE GO INTO THIS NEXT YEAR, WE'RE KIND OF REEVALUATING WHICH ONES ARE MAKING THE MOST SENSE, WHICH ONES WE MIGHT NEED TO ADJUST THE BEST THING TO, TO SPEAK FOR THE IMPACT IS THAT WE'VE BEEN CONSISTENT WITH AN AGREEMENT WE MADE TOGETHER, WHICH WAS EACH OF THE OUTREACH ACCESS POINTS WOULD ONLY BE AVAILABLE ONCE A WEEK IN A LOCATION THAT HAS DONE A TREMENDOUS JOB TO OVERCOME. ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WE HAD ON FEE AVENUE, WHICH WAS PEOPLE KIND OF GETTING ATTACHED TO A PLACE AND KIND OF CAMPING OUT AROUND THAT PLACE. THERE'S BEEN NO EXPERIENCE OF THAT IN ANY OF OUR OUTREACH ACCESS POINTS. AND, AND SPECIFICALLY ON THOSE POINTS. AND IT'S, I NORMALLY, ESPECIALLY IN HISTORIC SOUTH MELBOURNE, I HEAR FROM PROPERTY OWNERS REGARDING SOME OF THOSE SITES AND WHETHER OR NOT CERTAIN PIECES ARE FULFILLING THE AGREEMENT, HOW THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS AFFECTED BEFORE AND AFTER. WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT REASSESSING THOSE SITES, IS THERE ANY DETAILS OR IS THERE ANY WAY THAT MAYBE WE COULD PROVIDE SOME PARTNERSHIPS SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THE RESIDENTS MAYBE THAT BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND WHY, YOU KNOW, WHY YOU PICK YOUR PARTICULAR LOCATIONS? I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND AND GET THAT. BUT IS THERE PARTICULARLY A WAY THAT WE CAN, AS YOU REASSESS, MAYBE FIND SOME PARTNERSHIPS THAT KIND OF BRING THOSE TWO PIECES TOGETHER SO WE CAN MAYBE IT MIGHT HELP YOU GUYS IN SOME DEGREE. MAYBE WE HAVE A CITY LOCATION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT WE COULD RELIEVE A NEIGHBORHOOD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT WE CAN MAYBE DO SOMETHING THERE. SO JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT ONE OUT THERE AND SEE WHAT YOUR VIEWPOINT IS ON THAT. I THINK THAT'S REALLY GOOD FEEDBACK. I THINK AS WE AS WE EVALUATE EACH OF THOSE ACCESS POINTS, I'LL LOOK FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO HAVE THOSE KINDS OF CONVERSATIONS. THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL. OKAY. ONE SPECIFICALLY, ARE YOU GUYS LIKE LOOKING TOWARDS THAT JUST SO I CAN KEEP IT ON MY RADAR? AND I'D LOVE TO. WE'LL TAKE THIS OFFLINE, BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS WHEN, WHEN ABOUTS, THAT'S YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE A TIMELINE FOR IT. SO I'LL LOOK FORWARD TO TALKING WITH YOU ABOUT THAT FURTHER. LET'S TALK.

THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH. AND THEN HEY, GOOD EVENING JEFF. THANK YOU FOR ALWAYS PRESENTING INFORMATION AND PRESENTING IT IN A VERY, I WOULD SAY, ASTUTE AND HUMBLE WAY IN SERVICE OF THE CITY AND THE COMMUNITY. WE STARTED THIS ASSET MAPPING INITIATIVE BACK FROM THE LAST HOMELESS WORKSHOP. AND I KNOW YOU HAVE BEEN TO A FEW OF THOSE MEETINGS, SORT OF ALONG THE

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THE COLLABORATION THAT WE HAVE IN THE NONPROFIT COMMUNITY, I THINK YOU AS AS COUNCIL PROBABLY ALREADY KNOW THIS, BUT IT'S GOOD TO EMPHASIZE WE HAVE TREMENDOUS COLLABORATION AMONG THE NONPROFITS. YOU COULD IMAGINE SOMETIMES WHEN PEOPLE ARE MAYBE COMPETING FOR VARIOUS FUNDING STREAMS, THAT THAT THAT FEELING OF COMPETITION COULD GET IN THE WAY. IT'S NOT HAPPENING HERE. WE HAVE A WONDERFUL WAY OF WORKING TOGETHER TO ADDRESS THESE NEEDS.

YOU CAN SEE IT AT OUR OUTREACH ACCESS POINTS. IT'S NOT JUST US THERE. YOU'LL SEE PROJECT RESPONSE. YOU'LL SEE CIRCLES OF CARE. YOU'LL SEE BREVARD HEALTH ALLIANCE, DIFFERENT GROUPS COMING TOGETHER BECAUSE OF THAT LEADERSHIP THAT WE'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE AND THEN COMING TOGETHER TO COLLABORATE TO GET PEOPLE MOVING FORWARD. THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER BASSETT. MY QUESTION IS FOR OUR CITY MANAGER AT OUR BUDGET MEETING IN JULY, DIDN'T WE? WE WERE HAVING TO WORK REALLY HARD TO FIND A WAY TO SAVE OUR SUMMER CAMPS. YES. WAS THIS ONE OF THE CUTS PLUS OUR PENSION AND PAY TO BE ABLE TO SAVE THE SUMMER CAMPS FOR THE CHILDREN AT THE JULY? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS DOESN'T HURT, THAT AT THE JULY 29TH SPECIAL MEETING THAT IS. WE HAD ORIGINALLY PROPOSED TO LEAVE THE PROVIDENCE PLACE OR THE PROVIDENCE CONNECTS THIS CRITICAL COMMUNITY NEED. WE HAD INTENDED ON LEAVING THAT IN THE BUDGET AT THE JULY SPECIAL MEETING IS WHEN COUNCIL OPTED TO PUT THAT MONEY TOWARDS THE SUMMER CAMPS AND. AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, AS CINDY SPOKE RIGHT NOW, WE'RE DECLARING THE CRITICAL COMMUNITY NEED. WE DON'T HAVE FUNDING FOR, FOR, FOR THE CRITICAL COMMUNITY NEEDS RIGHT NOW. SO WHERE WOULD THE THE FUNDING WE WOULD WHERE WOULD IT COME FROM AS A CRITICAL. SO THAT THAT AGAIN, RIGHT. WE'RE TRYING WE'RE TRYING TO SORT OF SEPARATE THAT PROCESS. RIGHT, RIGHT. RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST TRYING TO DETERMINE, DOES COUNCIL WANT TO DECLARE THIS AS A CRITICAL COMMUNITY NEED CLEARLY, FUNDING TOWARDS THAT CRITICAL COMMUNITY NEED FOR WHAT PROVIDENCE CONNECTS IS PROPOSING AS ITS AS ITS PROGRAM WOULD NEED TO BE ADDRESSED IN THE BUDGET PROCESS IN, IN SEPTEMBER OR, OR LATER ON WITHIN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. RIGHT. WHETHER THAT'S AT A QUARTERLY BUDGET, BUDGET ADJUSTMENT, IF IF YOU KNOW, AS ROSS WOULD CALL IT, A POSITIVE VARIANCE WAS FOUND FOR, FOR, FOR OTHER, FOR OTHER FUNDING. SO AGAIN, RIGHT, THIS, THIS IS ONLY SORT OF DRAWING A LINE IN THE SAND OF ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOU'D BE SAYING TONIGHT IS IF THERE'S MONEY, THEN WE'D BE WILLING TO CONSIDER FUNDING IT AND GRANTING MONEY FOR THIS PROGRAM. IT'S NOT SAYING WE NEED TO FUND IT AT A PARTICULAR AMOUNT. WE NEED TO FIND THE MONEY FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE. THOSE ARE QUESTIONS AND DECISIONS FOR FOR A LATER FOR A LATER DATE. TONIGHT'S JUST IS THIS SOMETHING THAT CITY STAFF AND COUNCIL WANT TO CONSIDER FOR GRANT FUNDING SHOULD FUNDING BE AVAILABLE? OKAY, SO IT'S NOT GOING TO HURT THE SUMMER CAMPS. NO. YOU'RE NOT MAKING A FUNDING DECISION TONIGHT. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT. CAN WE POSTPONE IT BECAUSE WAIT TILL AFTER. HOLD ON A SECOND. ARE YOU READY OR ARE YOU? YES, JEFF. YOUR. AND THEN YOU CAN. I HAVE NO QUESTIONS FOR YOU. OKAY. SO YOU CAN SIT DOWN, TAKE A LOAD OFF THERE. SO THIS IS A DECLARATION OF CRITICAL COMMUNITY NEED. AND I JUST WANT TO REMIND MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT THIS DOESN'T MOVE

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THERE'S NO WAY I WOULD NOT CONSIDER THE THE THE SUMMER CAMPS A CRITICAL NEED. BUT HOW MANY MORE CRITICAL NEEDS ARE WE GOING TO NEED? ARE WE GOING TO BE FACED WITH? AND HOW MANY MORE MILLAGE POINTS ARE WE WILLING TO TAKE ON AS WELL TOO? SO THAT'S MY THAT'S MY ONLY COMMENT. YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS? THAT'S GREAT. IF YOU WANT TO POSTPONE IT UNTIL THE SECOND MEETING OF SEPTEMBER, THAT'S GREAT TOO. I THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION. I DON'T WANT TO DISAPPOINT PEOPLE GOING AWAY SAYING, OH, WE GOT THAT MONEY NOW, YOU KNOW, AND THEN THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S GONE. THANK YOU MISS. MISS CITY MANAGER, IS THERE A REASON WHY IT HAS TO BE DECLARED TONIGHT? IT THERE IS NOT A REASON THAT IT HAS TO BE DECLARED TONIGHT UNLESS I AM SOON TOLD OTHERWISE. IT JUST IS. WE TYPICALLY DO THESE DECLARATIONS OF CRITICAL COMMUNITY NEED ABOUT THIS TIME OF YEAR IN ADVANCE OF BUDGET. BUT THIS IS A VERY DIFFERENT YEAR BECAUSE OUR BUDGET IS VERY DIFFERENT THIS YEAR. AND SO THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL'S CHOICE ON IF YOU WANT TO DECLARE IT. NOW, MIND YOU, BOTH PARTIES NEED TO KNOW WE DON'T HAVE FUNDING CURRENTLY FOR, YOU KNOW, LIKE, WE DON'T HAVE SET IN STONE FUNDING FOR EITHER OF THEM RIGHT NOW. AND SO, SO IT'S COUNCIL'S CHOICE, BUT WE'RE NOT IT'S NOT HURTING ANYTHING BY DECLARING IT NOW JUST WE CAN'T COME BACK WITH THOSE FUNDING AGREEMENTS UNTIL WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH BUDGET. COUNCIL MEMBER HANLEY. I'M JUST SAYING, LIKE MR. LARUSSO, THERE IS LET'S POSTPONE IT. LET'S NOT GIVE EVERYBODY A HOPE AT THIS POINT IN TIME. DO WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT BETTER HANDLE ON WHAT'S GOING ON? YEAH. VICE MAYOR, I HEAR. AND THEN TO GO, ALL RIGHT, JUST POINT OF CLARITY. MY VOTE NO WAS NOT AGAINST RAISING THE MILITARY, BUT I JUST WANTED IT TO US TO HAVE A LITTLE SLIGHTLY HIGHER STARTING POINT. THAT WAS WHAT MY MY VOTE WAS ABOUT. JUST SO THAT, YOU KNOW, I EXCUSE ME, I'M SORRY. I'M NOT DEBATING YOUR VOTE OR NOT VOTE. I'M JUST STATING FACTS. OKAY. AS TO WHAT'S ON THE RECORD AND, AND WHAT IS IN FRONT OF US AND WHAT WE HAVE UNDERSTOOD TO. I JUST WANT TO WORK WITH CLARIFY THAT.

AND THEN AND THEN MY, MY BIGGER PICTURE QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH. I ALSO AGREE THAT WE SHOULD POSTPONE IT JUST SO THAT WE HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING AS WE GET CLOSER TO WHAT OUR BUDGETARY CONSTRAINTS MAY BE. OR, YOU KNOW, AND I LIKE THIS POSITIVE VARIANCE POTENTIAL, EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO PREDICT THAT EITHER. BUT MY BIGGER QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH SEEMS LIKE A FEW OF THESE COMMUNITY NEEDS. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, THE EBB AND FLOW HAS BEEN OVER THE YEARS FOR THESE COMMUNITY NEEDS, AND WHAT A FEW OF THESE HAVE BEEN GRANDFATHERED IN. I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE ABLE TO IF THERE'S HOW TO IDENTIFY NEW ONES OR THOSE KIND OF THINGS. SO I HAVE A BIGGER, BIGGER PICTURE QUESTION ABOUT HOW, WHAT IS OUR OVERALL PROCESS TO IDENTIFY CRITICAL COMMUNITY NEEDS? SO I ARE YOU ASKING MR. SMITH, THAT I GUESS I GUESS I'M ASKING MAYBE IS THE CRITERIA THAT WE FOLLOW. YES, THERE ARE RUBRIC. YES, THERE ARE RUBRIC OR OKAY, SOME TYPE OF ASSESSMENT OR. GOOD QUESTION. IT'S COUNCIL'S PLEASURE BASED ON THE COUNCIL POLICIES ADOPTED FOR CRITICAL COMMUNITY NEED. AS MISS DITTMER PREVIOUSLY NOTED.

RIGHT. THE PROCESS USED TO INVOLVE CITY STAFF COMMITTEE THAT WOULD DO AN INITIAL ASSESSMENT AND RECOMMENDATION, BUT THAT PROCESS HAS SINCE CHANGED TO WHERE WE'RE TRYING

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A TWO STEP PROCESS IS TO NOT NOT LOSE THE INTEGRITY OF, OF, OF WHAT WAS REVIEWED PREVIOUSLY AND WHAT WAS ACCEPTED PREVIOUSLY. SO THERE ARE VARIOUS THINGS THAT COULD BE A CRITICAL COMMUNITY NEED. I MEAN, AS YOU CAN SEE BY THE TWO AGENDA ITEMS TONIGHT, VERY DIFFERENT ITEMS, BUT ARGUMENTS CAN BE MADE THAT BOTH OF THEM HAVE DIFFERENT NEEDS, YOU KNOW, MEET DIFFERENT NEEDS FOR THE CITY. SO I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH GOING WITH WHAT MY COUNCIL WANTS OR THE COUNCIL, I SHOULD SAY, NOT MY COUNCIL BECAUSE I DON'T OWN IT. BUT THANK YOU.

THANK THE LORD, I DON'T. BUT SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT IF WE POSTPONE IT, THEN WE MIGHT LOSE THE INTEGRITY THAT WE GOT CALLED OUT ON FROM THE JAIL AT ALL? NO, NO. IF WE POSTPONE IT, WE WOULD WANT TO DECLARE THE CRITICAL COMMUNITY NEED AFTER WE KNOW WHERE WE ARE AT ANY TIME BETWEEN NOW AND AFTER, WE KNOW WHERE WE ARE WITH THE BUDGET. AND SO WE COULD DO THIS.

THE SECOND PART OF THE SEPTEMBER 23RD, 23RD MEETING, IT COULD BE A REGULAR AGENDA ITEM AFTER AFTER THE BUDGET IS IS WORKED OUT, OR WE COULD DO IT THE FIRST MEETING IN OCTOBER, DECLARE THE CRITICAL COMMUNITY NEED AND THEN TRY TO WORK QUICKLY WITH EITHER ORGANIZATION. BOTH ORGANIZATIONS, NEITHER OF THE ORGANIZATIONS TO BRING A FUNDING AGREEMENT BACK, DEPENDING ON WHAT WE DO WITH THE BUDGET. OKAY. KEEPING IN MIND THAT WHEN WE HAD THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE MILLAGE RATE, THAT WE GAVE OURSELVES SOME WIGGLE ROOM. SO IT WAS TO THE POINT OF WHERE WE THOUGHT WE COULD USE THE MONEY FOR THESE VERY ISSUES. OKAY. AND THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER HALF MILLION DOLLARS IN THERE FOR WIGGLE ROOM OF SORTS. YOU KNOW, I DON'T I HATE TO CALL THE TAXPAYERS MONEY WIGGLE ROOM, BUT I MEAN, WE GOT, WE GOT A CITY TO RUN, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, BASICALLY PLAYING HANDS DOWN.

SO I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW THAT. REMEMBER WHEN WE GO INTO THE SECOND MEETING, THE FIRST MEETING, THE SECOND MEETING IS THAT WE CANNOT GO UP IN OUR MILLAGE DESIRES. WE CAN GO DOWN. SO IF WE FIND THAT THERE'S THESE CRITICAL NEEDS ARE ABSOLUTES, THEN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN WE CAN, YOU KNOW, KIND OF PIGTAIL THEM IN OF SORTS, BUT WE CAN'T PROMISE NOW AND NOT SHOW UP FOR THE, FOR THE FIGHT. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. YOU KNOW, I JUST, I DON'T WANT TO GIVE FALSE HOPE. I JUST DON'T WANT TO GIVE FALSE HOPE BASED ON A LOT OF THE INFORMATION THAT MR. LAM HAS PROVIDED FOR ME IN OUR CHALLENGE WITH THIS WITH THIS YEAR'S BUDGET, WHICH IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST CHALLENGING I'VE SEEN SINCE 2007 AND 2008. YEAH. COUNCILMEMBER NEWMAN, SO THANK YOU. SO ONE THING, SINCE MR. SMITH HAD MENTIONED IT, THE ONLY TIME WE COULD TALK ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT WAS A SUNSHINE THING, BUT IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING TO ME BECAUSE WE BOTH VOTED NO ON THAT BUDGET THING, BUT IT WAS A COMPLETE OPPOSITE REASONS. IT'S FUN HOW THAT IT'S FUNNY HOW THAT WORKS OUT SOMETIMES. BUT THAT BEING SAID, JENNY, FIRST I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR LIKE BRINGING OUT MY ORIGINAL POINT WAS GOING TO BE TO BRING IN THAT JLAC DISCUSSION OF WHY KIND OF THE PROCESS IS HOW IT IS. BUT I DID WANT TO ASK, SINCE WE CAN CRACK THAT NUT UP. AND RIGHT NOW REGARDING HOW FOLKS APPLY FOR THIS AND THINGS LIKE THIS IS AN OPEN APPLICATION THAT LIKE ON A YEAR THAT'S NOT LIKE THIS ONE, PARTICULARLY STRUGGLING WITH THE BUDGET, IS THIS SOMETHING WHERE A NONPROFIT IN THE COMMUNITY CAN PETITION TO HAVE US CONSIDER THEM A CRITICAL COMMUNITY NEED? CAN YOU JUST TALK ABOUT THAT WHOLE PROCESS FOR US? OKAY, YES, IT COULD COME AT ANY TIME. WE HAVE ADVISED THE GROUPS, THESE TWO GROUPS THAT WE HAVE GIVEN FUNDING FOR IN THE PAST. WE WE ADVISE THEM TO COME IN DURING BUDGET TIME, DURING BUDGET CYCLE, JUST SO WE KNOW IT IN ADVANCE AND CAN BUDGET FOR IT. BUT IF SOMETHING COMES UP MIDDLE OF THE YEAR, THEN IT'S A OKAY WE SAME THING. WHERE ARE WE GOING TO FIND THE FUNDING? DO WE HAVE THE FUNDING TO COME UP? IF WE IF WE DECLARE THAT IT IS CRITICAL, COMMUNITY NEED NO.

PERFECT. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GOT THE PROCESS DOWN SINCE WE'RE ON THAT. YEP. AND IT'S

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SO SO TONIGHT'S ITEM WAS NOT PROPOSING A FUNDING AGREEMENT OR A FUNDING AMOUNT. IT WAS TRULY JUST IS ARE WE GOING TO CONSIDER IT GOING FORWARD FOR BUDGETING PURPOSES. AND THEN IF THERE IS MONEY BUDGETED FOR IT, THEN WE BRING BACK A FUNDING AGREEMENT CONSISTENT WITH THOSE TERMS. SO THERE THERE IS NO MONEY AT STAKE. SO THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING TONIGHT.

OKAY. AND THAT FUNDING AGREEMENT CAN BE CHANGED BECAUSE YOU'LL GO BACK TO SORT OF NEGOTIATIONS. CORRECT. AND THE FUNDING AGREEMENT THAT WAS IN THE AGENDA PACKAGE WAS LAST YEAR'S. IT WAS DATED OCTOBER 31ST OF 2025. SO I THINK WE ARE JUST USING IT TO SHOW YOU AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THEY HAD DONE IN THE PAST. SO I GUESS THE QUESTION HERE IS, DOES EVERYBODY HAVE A CONSENSUS THAT THEY WANT TO POSTPONE IT OR GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON THAT THIS EVENING? DO WE VOTE OR JUST CONSENSUS? MR. CONWAY? I THINK IT'S PROBABLY BEST FOR A MOTION AND A VOTE IF YOU'RE GOING TO POSTPONE THE ITEM. AND AGAIN, I AGREE WITH MISS LAMB THAT EITHER ON THE REGULAR AGENDA FOR SEPTEMBER 23RD OR REGULAR AGENDA FOR, GOSH, I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE 1ST OCTOBER MEETING IS. SEVENTH. NO, BECAUSE IT'D BE THE SECOND. IT'D BE THE SECOND.

YEAH. IS THE 12TH. YEAH, YEAH. 13TH. WE PUT THE HAMMER IN THE NAIL TOGETHER. SO EITHER EITHER OF THOSE TWO MEETINGS WOULD, WOULD PROBABLY BE YOUR BEST CANDIDATES FOR FOR POSTPONEMENT.

I'LL ALSO SAY, BECAUSE THESE ITEMS ARE SEPARATE AGENDA ITEMS, RIGHT. TO THE EXTENT WE HAVE FURTHER CONVERSATION ABOUT THE EGAT APPLICATION, WE'D NEED TO DO THEM SEPARATELY. SO I GUESS I EITHER NEED A MOTION TO POSTPONE OR A MOTION TO DECLARE THE CRITICAL COMMUNITY NEEDS. I WAS I MAKE THE MOTION TO POSTPONE. SECOND, I HAVE TO TO WHICH TO A PARTICULAR DATE.

13TH OKAY, I'VE GOT A SECOND AND I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE FLOOR. MR. ARE WE POSTPONING JUST 13 AND DO WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS AS WELL AS WE GO THROUGH? YOU NEED WE NEED TO GO THROUGH. WE SHOULD HAVE BOTH. YES. ALL RIGHT. JUST CLARIFYING. ALL RIGHT. SO I GUESS MY QUESTION TO YOU, MISS HANLEY, IF WE WAIT UNTIL THE OCTOBER 13TH TO HEAR IT FOR THE FIRST TIME, THEN WE HAVE TO HAVE A SECOND READING AFTER THAT. SO MAYBE MOVE THAT UP TO ONE OF THE SEPTEMBER AFTER THE BUDGET MEETING. OKAY. SOUNDS REASONABLE. SURE YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT? IF YOU DO IT ON SEPTEMBER 23RD, YOU'LL HAVE ADOPTED THE BUDGET, RIGHT? AND THEN FOR THE REGULAR MEETING, YOU'LL KNOW WHETHER OR NOT YOU HAD BUDGETED ANY FUNDS AT THAT TIME FOR FOR THE UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR. WHEN DO WE DO THE OTHER? I'M GETTING MIXED UP WITH MY DATES, BUT THE THE THE BUDGET MEETINGS WILL BE SEPTEMBER WHAT, NINTH AND 23RD.

BUT WE'LL HAVE BUT WE'LL HAVE REGULAR COUNCIL MEETINGS IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THOSE.

AND SO THE REGULAR THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE 23RD WILL HAVE BEEN AFTER YOUR BUDGET. OKAY.

OKAY. SO I HAVE A MOTION TO POSTPONE TILL THE 23RD BY MISS HANLEY AND THEN A SECOND BY MISS BASSETT. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED AND I VOTE AYE. AND THAT MOTION PASSES, SO WE WILL POSTPONE THAT UNTIL THE 23RD. THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO OUR NEXT ITEM

[14. Declaration of Critical Community Need for Eau Gallie Arts District (EGAD) Main Street, Inc. in FY 2026-2027.]

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THEY CREDIT US AND REVIEW MUCH OF WHAT WE DO. WHAT'S GOOD TIMING. ALL RIGHT. SO WHAT DO WE DO? WE WE REALLY BRING A LOT TO OUR COMMUNITY. AND I JUST WANT TO TOUCH ON SOME QUICK SUCCESS STORIES. NOW, WE WERE BOTH THE FLORIDA MAIN STREET PROGRAM OF THE MONTH IN 2024, AS WELL AS A STATEWIDE AWARD WINNER FOR THE SUNSHINE BOOSTER AWARD FOR THE SOUNDS OF THE LAGOON PROJECT. SO I SEE THAT QUOTE UP THERE. THE EAU GALLIE ARTS DISTRICT IS A TESTAMENT TO HOW HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND CREATIVE INNOVATION CAN COME TOGETHER TO TRANSFORM A COMMUNITY. AND THAT WAS FROM SECRETARY OF STATE BIRD. SO WE'RE VERY PROUD OF THAT. AND WE'RE NOT JUST SAYING THAT EGAT IS GREAT BECAUSE WE THINK IT I'M SAYING IT HERE BECAUSE THIS RECOGNITION BELONGS TO OUR COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE, RIGHT? THIS BELONGS TO MELBOURNE AND IT BELONGS TO THE CITY. SO I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THOSE. FOR ANYONE THAT HASN'T BEEN DOWN TO THE DISTRICT, I WANT TO TALK QUICKLY ABOUT THE PROGRAMING WE OFFER. OF COURSE, FIRST FRIDAY IS ONE OF OUR MOST SORT OF REOCCURRING, INVISIBLE EVENTS. I HOPE MOST OF YOU HAVE MADE IT

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SOME OTHER EVENTS THAT WE HAVE ARE SMALL MARKETS, WHICH I WANT TO MENTION, JUST BECAUSE THEY REALLY DO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE OPPORTUNITIES FOR SMALL BUSINESS, WHETHER THEY'RE LOCAL ARTIST MAKERS OR SMALL BUSINESSES THAT SELL PRODUCTS. IT ALSO INCREASES OUR FOOT TRAFFIC. SO IT'S SORT OF A DUAL PRONG INVESTMENT OPPORTUNITY. AND THEN ONE THING I WANTED TO SAY, IF YOU HAVEN'T WATCHED IT YET, OUR EAU GALLIE STORIES DISTRICT WAS POSTED ON OUR SOCIAL MEDIA. THIS YEAR WAS A SHORT FORM DOCUMENTARY PROGRAM WE DID JUST TO HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE PILLARS IN OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND HOW THEY ARE NOT ONLY PILLARS IN THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY TODAY, BUT HISTORICALLY. AND SO IF YOU HAVEN'T, THEY'RE CHARMING AND THEY'RE A FABULOUS LOOK AT WHAT SORT OF WHO DOMINATES OUR DISTRICT BOTH TODAY AND HISTORICALLY, THEY'RE SHORT WATCH. THEY'RE ONLY ABOUT 3 TO 4 MINUTES. SO REALLY ENJOYABLE.

AND YOU WALK AWAY WITH A GREAT UNDERSTANDING OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE DISTRICT ITSELF. BUSINESSES ARE CHOOSING EGAD, THIS IS A SMALL HIGHLIGHT. THIS IS THE PAST YEAR AND A HALF OR SO, AND I HAPPEN TO LIVE IN THE DISTRICT. SO THIS IS ALSO BASED ON MY, YOU KNOW, WALKING THROUGH. THERE ARE NUMEROUS OTHER BUSINESSES THAT HAVE COME TO THE DISTRICT, BUT I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THEM BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE ARE VERY SPECIAL TO ME IN THE WAY THAT THESE ARE NOT LARGE CORPORATE INVESTMENTS. THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE INVESTING THEIR LIFE SAVINGS IN THEIR IN THEIR DREAM BUSINESS. AND SO I FEEL THAT THAT'S REALLY INCREDIBLE. DOLLY'S WINE BAR, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU ALL SAW, BUT THEY WERE HIGHLIGHTED AS USA TODAY'S ONE OF THE TOP BARS, ONLY 38 IN THE US WERE SELECTED FOR THAT. AND IT'S RIGHT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD DB VINTAGE IF YOU'VE NEVER BEEN. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL VINTAGE SHOP WITH WINE AND A REALLY COOL PROGRAMING AND PLACEMAKING INCLUDING BOOK CLUBS, AND IT'S A GREAT PLACE TO STOP IN CREATIVE PLAYGROUND. OF COURSE, IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN THERE, IMAGINE A RESTAURANT THAT GIVES YOU A MENU, BUT IT'S FOR ART PROJECTS AND IT'S FOR ADULTS, AND IT'S MY FAVORITE PLACE TO GO FOR A DATE. IMAGE STUDIOS IS AN A SMALL BUSINESS ENGINE AND INCUBATOR THAT DROVE HEAVY INVESTMENT IN OUR DISTRICT. AND THEN OF COURSE, THE OFFICE IS A NEW CIGAR LOUNGE IN THE DISTRICT. SO I'D LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT THESE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ONLY BUSINESSES THAT OFFER TRANSACTIONAL VALUE, BUT THEY'RE THIRD PLACES. THEY ARE SPACES WHERE YOU CAN COME, DWELL AND SPEND TIME, WHICH IS HUGE. SO ALL OF THESE ARE ACTIVELY DRIVING JOBS. THEY'RE DRIVING TOURISM, THEY'RE DRIVING PROPERTY VALUE. WE'VE SEEN THAT IN THE TURNOVER OF THE PROPERTIES IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THIS IS WORKING RIGHT. THIS IS GENERATING SALES TAX FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND IT'S GENERATING THESE VALUABLE COMMUNITY SPACES. SO SUCCESSFUL DISTRICTS, THEY DON'T HAPPEN BY ACCIDENT, RIGHT? BUSINESSES, THEY BECOME SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE THE ENTREPRENEURS SELECT THEM AND THEY BELIEVE AND THEY HAVE CONFIDENCE IN THAT SPACE. AND THE LONG STANDING PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE CITY OF MELBOURNE AND THESE BUSINESSES HAS HELPED CREATE THAT CONFIDENCE. THESE BUSINESSES TRUST IN OUR REGULAR PROGRAMING. THEY RELY ON IT FOR THEIR FOOT TRAFFIC, AND THEY'RE NOW BUYING IN AND PARTICIPATING IN CREATING THESE SORT OF VIBRANT FIRST FRIDAY MARKETS AND EXCITING EVENTS THAT HAPPEN. SO I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE WAS THERE THIS FIRST FRIDAY, BUT THERE WAS A LITTLE DANCE PARTY ON THE SIDEWALK. SO AND I WANT TO GIVE CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE, THE INVESTMENT BY THE CITY STARTED THIS FOUNDATION, RIGHT? IT STARTED THIS STRUCTURAL CHANGE IN WHAT DOWNTOWN EAU GALLIE IS. OKAY. SO TALKING REAL QUICK ABOUT THE GRANT ITSELF AND THE DECLARATION OF COMMUNITY NEED AND WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT IT MAKES UP IN TERMS OF OUR BUDGET. SO EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THE $85,000. THAT'S ABOUT 49% OF THE BUDGET. AND WHAT I WANT TO FOCUS ON IS THAT'S IN BY NO MEANS OUR WHOLE BUDGET, RIGHT? WE UTILIZE THAT TO ATTRACT ADDITIONAL PRIVATE GRANT FUNDING AS WELL AS DONATIONS. SO A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES, CORPORATE SPONSORS, PRIVATE DONORS, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR STRONG LOCAL GOVERNMENT PARTNERSHIPS. AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING FOR YEARS. AND SO CITY COUNCIL'S FUNDING SORT OF DEMONSTRATES THAT THEY BELIEVE IN THE MISSION AND THE FUTURE, AND IT'S ENCOURAGING OTHERS TO INVEST IN EGAD. SO WITH THAT, I WANT TO SAY, WHY DOES THIS

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AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUED PARTNERSHIP. CITY STAFF HAS BEEN INCREDIBLE THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, SO YOU ALL ARE LUCKY. YOU HAVE GOOD PEOPLE THAT SUPPORT YOU. THANK YOU. I CAN TELL YOUR PASSION FOR DOWNTOWN O'GALLEY. IT'S VERY EVIDENT. VICE MAYOR. YEAH.

GO AHEAD. SO I WANT TO ASK YOU. SO I HAVE A NONPROFIT FUNDRAISING BACKGROUND. SO THE THE SLIDE OF THE 40 HOUR PACKET SAYS 48. SO YOU GUYS HAVE 49%, WHATEVER THAT GIVE OR TAKE ROUNDING ERRORS. BUT THE FACT IS ON THAT AMOUNT, AND I'M, I'M, I'M SAYING THIS FROM A PLACE OF CARE BECAUSE WE ARE FACING A BUDGET SITUATION HERE ON THE WHOLE STATE LEVEL. THIS ISN'T LIKE US TRYING TO PICK ON ANYBODY. DO YOU GUYS HAVE A PLAN OR WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF THAT WERE TO DISAPPEAR? NOT NOT BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE THERE, BUT LIKE, IS THERE FUNDRAISING GOALS OR IS THERE A DEVELOPMENT PLAN OR ANYTHING IN PLACE TO HELP MAKE SURE THAT THIS GREAT PROJECT THAT YOU GUYS HAVE ALL PUT TOGETHER AND PUT YOUR TIME, TALENT AND TREASURE IN, CAN SUCCEED IN CASE OF, YOU KNOW, THAT TYPE OF SCENARIO, I WOULD CALL THAT THE NUCLEAR PLAN. OH OF COURSE. IS THERE, IS THERE IS THERE A NUCLEAR. OBVIOUSLY, WE ARE CONSIDERING THAT AND TRYING TO ADJUST FOR THAT. SO WE ARE LOOKING AT WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. BUT YES, THIS AT THIS MOMENT, TO THE REASON THAT I AM AS THE CHAIR OF EGAD IS HERE AS OPPOSED TO OUR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, BECAUSE THIS IS NORMALLY A FUNCTION OF THAT ROLE, IS THAT OUR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR LEFT THIS SUMMER. SO WE'RE ACTUALLY CURRENTLY SEARCHING FOR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR LEADERSHIP. AND THIS IS ONE MORE THING THAT THE STABLE GRANT FOUNDATION WILL HELP US FOR THE NEXT YEAR WHILE WE BRING THAT ON. AND ONE OF THE BIG PRIORITIES OF THE BOARD IS LOOKING FOR IS SOMEONE WITH A EXTENSIVE FUNDRAISING BACKGROUND. OKAY. ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT DEREK HAS TO SAY. I WAS GOING TO BRING HIM UP NEXT. GREAT MINDS THINK ALIKE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE YOU, DEREK. DORIS. THANKS A LOT. THIS IS GREAT. AND GOSH, THIS THE PAN DRUM IS FANTASTIC. I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THEM FOR OUR FIRST FRIDAY FOR SURE. THANK YOU ALL. I LOVED WORKING EGERT LOVES WORKING WITH THE CITY. IT'S BEEN TERRIFIC THROUGH THE YEARS. MURALS AND ALL THE THINGS. WHEN I MOVED BACK HERE, I THINK IT WAS 2007, I MET SOME COHORTS AND WE USED TO GET TOGETHER ON THURSDAY NIGHTS SOMEWHERE IN EGAD, ONE OF THE GUYS I REMEMBER, YOU KNOW, HE WANTED SOMETHING INTERESTING TO EAT. AND HIS ONLY OPTION THAT HE WOULD, HE WOULD EVERY THURSDAY HE WOULD BORROW A BICYCLE DRIVE IN THE DARK DOWN EAU GALLIE BOULEVARD AND GO TO SUBWAY, WHICH WHICH, YOU KNOW, OG SUBWAY. AND HE WOULD GET A MEATBALL SUB WITH MAYONNAISE ON IT BECAUSE THAT WAS THE ONLY THING HE COULD FIND IN TOWN. THAT WAS HE WAS HE WAS FROM TRINIDAD. I DON'T KNOW IF THE DRUMS STILL HERE, BUT WE'VE COME A LONG WAY.

WE'VE GOT A LOT MORE PLACES TO GET BETTER STUFF THAN MEATBALL SUBS WITH, WITH MAYONNAISE, FOR SURE. WE, YOU KNOW, SLOWLY ADDED ADDED, YOU KNOW, ADDED A LITTLE BIT OF FASHION, A LITTLE BIT OF WINE BAR, A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE BIT OF BREWERY WITH CREATIVITY. I'M SO PROUD THAT JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING, I LOVE THAT THAT SLIDE IS STILL UP. JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING IN O'GALLEY IS ARTISTIC SOMEHOW. ART ISN'T JUST, YOU KNOW, ISN'T JUST ART HANGING ON THE WALLS.

IT'S EVERYTHING. IT'S THE, I THINK MORE THAN A THOUSAND DIFFERENT BREW RECIPES THAT INTRACOASTAL BREWERY HAS DONE TO DATE. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S THE ATMOSPHERE IN DOLLY'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, A CREATIVE PLAYGROUND, THEIR OWNERSHIPS RIGHT THERE SITTING IN THE THIRD ROW, YOU CAN MAKE YOURSELF A LITTLE CLAY AIR, DRY CLAY ROBOT WITH VIBRATING FEET THAT WILL ROLL ACROSS YOUR TABLE. AND THAT'S FOR THE ADULTS ESPECIALLY. SO THERE'S SO MUCH COOL STUFF TO DO IN O'GALLEY. AND I LOVE THAT, YOU KNOW, IN THE LEANEST YEARS OF THE RECESSION, ETC. THERE

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WELL, IF IT CAN DO THAT, IT CAN ALSO, YOU CAN CONNECT THROUGH ART. YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, OUR EVENTS HAVE SOME OF THE MOST DIVERSE CROWDS, AND PEOPLE BUMP INTO STRANGERS AND DANCE ON THE SIDEWALK, AND YOU LEARN SOMETHING ABOUT SOMEBODY AND IT BECOMES, YOU KNOW, DEMOCRACY IN ACTION. YOU LEARN WHAT MATTERS AND WHAT HAPPENS IN YOUR IN YOUR COMMUNITY. AND THEN IF IT CAN DO THAT, IT ALSO, BY THE WAY, IS, IS PART OF OUR ECONOMIC ENGINE. ALL THOSE, ALL THOSE, THE BIG COMPANIES, THE SPACEX AND NASA, THEY, THEY NEED A COOL PLACE LIKE O'GALLEY TO EXIST IN ORDER TO PULL PEOPLE IN ORDER TO PULL THE. WHAT'S THE YOUNG TECH TALENT? THE YOUNG TECH TALENT NEEDS COOL PLACES LIKE O'GALLEY. YOU KNOW, YOU WANT THE WHOLE TOWN TO REVITALIZE. BUT. BUT ART AND BUZZ AND THRILL AND BEING ALIVE, IT'S GOT A LITTLE. IT'S KIND OF PRICELESS. BUT IF WE COULD HAVE ROUGHLY A $85,000 PRICE LIST, THAT WOULD THAT WOULD HELP HELP US DO OUR THING. AND HONESTLY, I ESPECIALLY WANTED TO SAY THAT I THINK THAT THAT MODEST FUNDING, IT GOES A LONG WAY BECAUSE THE CROWD PUTS IN SO MUCH BLOOD, SWEAT AND TEARS AND, AND MONEY. MY, IF MY WIFE WERE HERE, SHE'D BE SAYING THEIR MONEY TO, TO, TO MAKE THIS STUFF HAPPEN. SO LET'S, LET'S KEEP IT, LET'S KEEP IT GOING. I THINK IT REALLY IS VITAL MORE THAN JUST FINANCIALLY, BUT FOR THE HEART AND SOUL AND THE. AND THE HUMANS WHO LIVE IN THIS IN THIS GREAT COUNTY, THE DISTRICT HAS A SPOT. THERE'S A REASON PEOPLE ARE COMING TO TO US FOR A FOR A GOOD TIME AND A THRILL. AND SO LET'S CARRY IT ON. BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH SO FAR.

LET'S KEEP IT UP. THANK YOU. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON. YES, MA'AM. YES. MR. LUCAS, THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. IT'S A TOUGH TIME, BUT YOU GOT TO GO BACK OVER THE FOUR YEARS OF THE CRITICAL COMMUNITY NEED. WE'VE FUNDED THAT ALL THE WAY THROUGH. WE'VE ALWAYS BELIEVED IN IT. IT'S A FORWARD MOTION. ONE OF THE FIRST PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS WAS IN O'GALLEY WAS THE BANDSHELL WAS WITH THE EAU GALLIE ROTARY CLUB. AND SO NOW I ASKED MY MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS, CAN YOU IMAGINE IF WE HAD TO GO TO COUNTY COMMISSION TODAY AND ASK FOR THAT CHANGE IN THE PARKING GARAGE FUNDING, DO YOU THINK HONESTLY, IT WOULD GET THAT PASSED TODAY? NO, WE WERE RIGHT PLACE, RIGHT TIME RIGHT THERE.

THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING THERE. I'VE BEEN AN ADVOCATE FOR O'GALLEY DOWNTOWN O'GALLEY FOR SINCE THE DAY I CAME ON BOARD IN 2004. I'VE BEEN PRIVILEGED TO WORK WITH A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE DOWN THERE, AND I'VE BEEN HONORED TO REPRESENT THEM IN THE BEST WAY THAT I CAN. I'M GOING TO STICK WITH THE, THE, WITH GOING WITH THE NON CRITICAL DECLARATION THIS EVENING, BECAUSE I THINK FAIR IS FAIR. BUT AGAIN, I WILL TELL YOU, THERE'S NO ONE UP HERE THAT WORKS HARDER OR, OR SCREAMS LOUDER THAN I DO ABOUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET DONE THERE. AND I GUARANTEE YOU THAT IF WE CAN CHANGE SOME MINDS UP HERE, YOU'RE GOING TO BE OKAY.

BUT IT'S UP TO YOU ALSO TO REACH OUT TO SOME OF THESE MINDS UP HERE AS WELL TOO. YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT ME. I'M STAND ON THE STREET CORNER AND WAVE THE SIGN AND I WILL DO THAT ALL THE TIME. BUT. I DON'T KNOW. IT'S JUST A TOUGH YEAR. IT REALLY IS. AND IT BREAKS MY HEART TO EVEN HAVE THIS CONVERSATION. BUT I JUST ASK MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS TO KEEP THIS IN MIND MOVING FORWARD. IT'S BEEN A LONG, LONG ROAD TO TRAVEL. DEREK HAS BEEN DOWN THERE FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, AND I KNOW ANNA HAS BEEN TO AND KELLY AS WELL. I MEAN, ALL, ALL THE ALL THOSE FACES YOU SEE SITTING OUT THERE, IT'S THEIR HEART AND SOUL. IT REALLY IS.

IT'S THEIR LIFE SAVINGS. IT'S EVERYTHING THAT THEY'VE GOT. SO I HOPE THAT MY TWO OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL CONSIDER THE MILLAGE CHANGE BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO TAKE A MAJORITY VOTE.

IT'S GOING TO TAKE A SUPERMAJORITY VOTE. I'M SORRY. SO THAT'S MY $0.02 FOR THAT.

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TWO THINGS. ONE, FIRST OF ALL, DEREK, AND EVERYBODY THAT'S THERE, LIKE YOU GUYS ARE THE THE HEART AND SOUL OF MAKING O'GALLEY EXIST. AND I'M GRATEFUL FOR YOU AND THOSE WHO COULDN'T BE HERE TODAY THAT ACTUALLY MAKE IT HAPPEN. BECAUSE HONESTLY, LIKE THERE, THERE'S NO GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT I KNOW THAT CARE ABOUT THAT AREA AS MUCH AS YOU ALL DO. YOU GUYS PUT EVERYTHING INTO IT AND YOU GUYS ARE DOING A LOT FOR OUR COMMUNITY. AND I, I DON'T KNOW HOW OFTEN YOU GET A THANK YOU, BUT I, I HOPE YOU KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART, THANK YOU GUYS FOR WHAT YOU DO AND WHAT YOU CONTINUE TO DO. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S VERY LOUD AND CLEAR. SECONDLY, TO TO MR. LARUSSO'S POINT, I WAS ACTUALLY JUST GONNA END IT WITH THANK YOU. NOW WE'RE TALKING BUDGET. SO I DO AS THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBER WHO HAS A DOWNTOWN. I'M I'M WITH YOU. WE WILL FIGHT TOOTH AND NAIL UP AND DOWN ANYTHING WE CAN TO MAKE SURE OUR DOWNTOWN SUCCEED. I KNOW YOU WILL, AND I KNOW I WILL.

AND REGARDLESS IF, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE THE VOTES. BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, IF YOU DO NOT HAVE THOSE VOTES, HAVE THE VOTES FOR THAT MILLAGE RAISE. I KNOW WITHOUT A DOUBT, YOU AND ME AND THE MEMBERS OF THIS COUNCIL CAN FIND A WAY TO REALLY MAKING SURE WE TAKE THAT REALLY DEEP, COLD, HARD LOOK AT THAT BUDGET AND SAYING, HOW DO WE KEEP OUR ECONOMIC ENGINES? HOW DO WE KEEP OUR DOWNTOWNS? HOW DO WE KEEP THESE FUNDING SOURCES GOING? AND I THINK WE CAN DO THAT. SO THERE, THERE, I BELIEVE THERE'S LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL FOR THIS. IT MIGHT TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF UNCOMFORTABLE WORK, BUT I THINK WE CAN DO IT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. THANK YOU, MR. NEWMAN. I MEAN, THAT MEANS A LOT TO ME AND IT MEANS A LOT TO THEM AS WELL TO. YEAH. THANK YOU MAYOR. YES. I ALSO WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO BOTH OF THE ORGANIZATIONS WHO. BECAUSE IT IS IMPORTANT, THE SERVICES AND THE RESULTS THAT YOU PROVIDE TO THE CITY, YOU KNOW, AND AT A PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEETING, I, I MADE A QUOTE AND COUNCILMAN REPEATED, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T CUT OURSELVES. WE CAN'T CUT OUR WAY TO PROSPERITY. WELL, THAT IS TRUE. IT IS A IT IS A VERY FISCALLY CONCERNING TIME RIGHT NOW. SO ALTHOUGH WE ARE GOING TO MOVE TO MOST LIKELY MOVE TO PUSH THIS FORWARD INTO A FUTURE DATE FOR CONSIDERATION BECAUSE OF THE FISCAL CONSTRAINTS. JUST REALIZED THAT THAT AND I CAN'T SPEAK FOR ALL OF MY COLLEAGUES HERE, BUT I BELIEVE THAT MOST OF US BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE TO DO THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO MAKE OUR CITY CONTINUE TO SHINE, CONTINUE TO ATTRACT THOSE VISITORS, CONTINUE TO ATTRACT THOSE CORPORATIONS, CONTINUE TO ATTRACT, IMPROVE ON THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE AREA. SO IT IS VERY IMPORTANT AND IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT YOU CONTINUE TO BRING YOUR VOICES AND THAT YOU CONTINUE TO STAY ENGAGED, BECAUSE WITHOUT THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE THINGS MIGHT NOT HAVE NOT ONLY COME FROM THE PAST THAT THEY'VE HAD, BUT CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD INTO THE FUTURE THAT THIS CITY REALLY NEEDS. SO, SO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR, FOR ALL THAT YOU DO. AND JUST REALIZE, I THINK WE POINTED OUT THE, THE CONSTRAINTS THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH IN THIS, THIS CURRENT TIME. I WASN'T HERE ON THE BOARD ON THE COUNCIL FOR THE RECESSION OR FOR MAYBE SOME OF THE OTHER TOUGHER TIMES. BUT I JUST KNOW THE REALITY THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH AT THIS POINT IN TIME. YES. MAYOR, ONE LAST THING, COUNCILMAN, AS YOU ALL KNOW, I TURN AROUND AND WHAT IS CUSTOMARY IN THE STATE HOUSE AND THE SENATE IS A GOING AWAY BILL. IT'S CALLED GOING AWAY BILL. ACTUALLY, THE PERSON WHO'S LEAVING THAT OFFICE GETS ONE THING THAT THEY REALLY WANT. AND SO, GUYS, THIS IS MY GOING AWAY BILL. OH, OKAY. THANKS. THAT WAS POWERFUL. I JUST HAVE TO SAY, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF WHAT MY GOING AWAY BILL IS GOING TO BE NOW SAYING THE NEW PARKING SPOT, PERMANENT PARKING SPOT. I'LL TAKE IT. PROBABLY. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? SO I GUESS I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO EITHER POSTPONE AS WE DID. I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION. I'LL SECOND. OKAY. I HAVE A TWO.

WHAT DATE TO THE DATE THAT IS APPROPRIATE. ACCORDING TO THE CITY ATTORNEY, THE CITY MANAGER.

SEPTEMBER 23RD REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING. OKAY, SO I HAVE A MOTION TO COUNCIL MEETING.

RIGHT. THE BUDGET AND THEN THE COUNCIL MEETING. OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION TO POSTPONE TO SEPTEMBER 23RD BY COUNCIL MEMBER LARUSSO AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER BASSETT. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AND I VOTE AYE. AND THAT MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE.

[15. Discussion of request from the Melbourne Downtown Community Redevelopment Agency (CRA) Advisory Committee to waive building permit fees.]

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I LIKE NOMADS TO A DISCUSSION OF REQUEST FROM THE MELBOURNE DOWNTOWN COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO WAIVE BUILDING PERMIT FEES. AND SPEAKING ON THIS IS ROBERT MCKENZIE. YES. GOOD EVENING, VICE MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, ROBERT MCKENZIE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MANAGER. SO, YES, THIS THIS ITEM IS A DISCUSSION. IT'S A REQUEST BY THE MELBOURNE DOWNTOWN CRA ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO WAIVE BUILDING PERMIT FEES RELATED TO PROPERTIES WITHIN THE CRA DISTRICT. THIS CAME FROM OUR JULY MEETING WITH THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. WE WERE DISCUSSING THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA AND THE PROPOSED SMALL NEW SMALL BUSINESS INCENTIVE PROGRAM. AND THERE WAS DISCUSSION AROUND DIFFERENT FEES COLLECTED BY THE CITY FOR DEVELOPMENT, NEW, NEW AND EXISTING PROPERTIES. AND THERE WAS A MOTION MADE FOR FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER WAIVING BUILDING PERMIT FEES WITHIN THE CRA DISTRICT, AND IT PASSED BY A VOTE OF 4 TO 2. SO JUST A BACKGROUND ABOUT BUILDING PERMIT FEES AND THE BUILDING DIVISION. IT'S FULLY A COST COST RECOVERY METHOD IN FOR THEIR STAFF TO REVIEW PERMITS, COMPLETE INSPECTIONS, AND ENFORCE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE. AND THERE'S A COUPLE EXAMPLES INCLUDED IN THAT ITEM REPORT WHERE YOU CAN SEE BUILDING PERMIT FEES CAN RANGE ANYWHERE FROM A COUPLE HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS TO HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS. SO ANY LOST REVENUE TO THE BUILDING DIVISION FUND WOULD NEED TO BE SUPPLEMENTED BY ANOTHER FUNDING SOURCE. SO WITH THAT, STAFF WOULD STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND NOT TO WAIVE BUILDING PERMIT FEES FOR PROPERTIES WITHIN THE MELBOURNE DOWNTOWN AREA AND ALTERNATIVELY INCORPORATE IT INTO THE BUILDING IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. THE SMALL THE SMALL BUSINESS AND A PROGRAM THAT IS THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING, ANY QUESTIONS? ANY COMMENTS? OKAY.

SURE. I MEAN, NOBODY'S GOING TO TALK. HEY, HOW ARE YOU TONIGHT? DOING GOOD TO SEE YOU. YEAH. I HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR MISS LAMB. EARLIER TODAY ABOUT THIS VERY SUBJECT. AND SO I GOT TO GO BACK OVER MY SHOULDER FOR A SECOND AND LOOK AT WHAT WE, AS A COUNCIL, DETERMINED THAT WE WERE NOT GOING TO SUBSIDIZE DEVELOPERS. OKAY. SO NOW THIS SEEMS LIKE A SUBSIDY FOR DEVELOPERS. AND I ALSO QUESTION THE LEGALITY OF IT AS WELL TO, TO ONLY IDENTIFY JUST THE CRA IN DOWNTOWN MELBOURNE. AND WHAT ABOUT THE CRA IN DOWNTOWN O'GALLEY? AND WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF THE CITY AS WELL TOO? I'D HATE TO PUT MY BUTT IN A SLING AND SAY, OKAY, WE DO THIS HERE. BUT THEN I GET A DEVELOPER OUT ON WICKHAM ROAD THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, YOU DID IT FOR THEM. I'M GOING TO TAKE YOU TO COURT. YOU GOT TO DO IT FOR US AS WELL, TOO. HAS THIS BEEN THOUGHT THROUGH AT ALL ON YOUR LEVEL, AS HAVE YOU? HAVE YOU CONSIDERED THESE RAMIFICATIONS OF, OF, OF WAIVING THESE FEES? BECAUSE ALWAYS REMEMBER, ALWAYS REMEMBERING THAT WE HAVE ONE THAT WE KNOW OF, WHICH WAS THE HOTEL MELBY AND IT, IT COLLECTED 100 AND $111,000, I THINK IT WAS IN BUILDING FEES, BUILDING PERMITS. SO NOW I'VE GOT A WE'VE GOT A GARAGE, WE'VE GOT A HOTEL, YOU KNOW, GOD WILLING, EVERYTHING'S GOING TO BE COMING UP BEHIND THAT. HOW DOES THAT PUT US BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL IF IT DOES, YOU KNOW, WITH IMPACT FEES. AND THAT'S A SEPARATE ISSUE. BUT BUT WE CAN GO DOWN THAT LONG, LONG ROAD. SO TELL ME WHAT YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT OTHER THAN JUST ELIMINATING THE BUILDING FEES. WHAT ARE THE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES THAT MAY ENTICE DEVELOPERS OR BUILDERS TO COME INTO DOWNTOWN MELBOURNE IN AND WITH, WITHOUT THE BUILDING FEES BEING BEING WAIVED? GREAT. SO OUR THOUGHT IS NOT TO WAIVE BUILDING PERMIT FEES, BUT INSTEAD INCORPORATE IT TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM, WHICH IS THAT THAT INCENTIVE PROGRAM. BUT IF THERE'S ANY LOST REVENUE TO THE BUILDING DIVISION, IT WOULD IT WOULD HAVE TO COME THROUGH. IT WOULD INSTEAD OF A WAIVER, IT'D BE A REIMBURSEMENT OF BUILDING PERMIT FEES. UNDERSTANDING THE BUILDING FEES, YOU KNOW, THE PERMITS DON'T GO INTO THE GENERAL FUND. THEY GO, THEY STAY, YOU KNOW, IN THE SELF-CONTAINED KIND OF AREA.

THEN IT GOES INTO A RESERVE. IF THERE'S ANYTHING LEFT AFTERWARDS, THEN IT GOES BACK.

IF THEY CAN FEED OFF OF THAT DURING THE COURSE OF THE YEAR. SO THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS ON THIS THING THAT THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT. MR. NEWMAN? I, I YIELD TO YOU TO, TO GET YOUR YOUR FEELING ABOUT THIS AS WELL TOO. I'M SORRY. VICE MAYOR. NO. THAT'S FINE. OKAY. VICE MAYOR. SO AND SO I'M I'VE BEEN TAKING A LOOK AT THIS, AND I'VE BEEN TRYING TO TO FIGURE OUT

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WE'VE GOT 50 OTHER MILES IN THIS CITY, APPROXIMATELY, THAT WON'T BE BENEFITED FOR THIS. SO YOU'RE REALLY DISCRIMINATING A LARGE SWATH OF PEOPLE THAT THEY MIGHT NEED THE SAME BENEFIT THAN JUST THAT ONE PERSON, AND THEY MIGHT BE BRINGING IN OTHER YOU KNOW, YOU SAY, WELL, THEY'RE GOING TO BRING IN THIS. THEY'RE GOING TO BRING IN THAT. BUT THAT OTHER SMALL PERSON THAT'S IN THE O'GALLEY. I MEAN, YEAH, THE O'GALLEY AREA, THE MELBOURNE O'GALLEY AREA THAT NEED, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY IT. SO SOMEBODY'S GOT TO PAY THIS TO KEEP THESE EMPLOYEES GOING OR OTHERWISE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LAY THEM OFF. SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE THE CHOSEN. THEY'RE GOING TO BE THE CHOSEN CHILD. THAT'S THE PART OF CRA IS ARE YOU TRYING TO GET RID OF CRAS BECAUSE WE'RE. NO, I'M NOT SAYING THAT. I'M NOT SAYING I'M NOT SAYING NO. THE DEFINITION OF IT. SO YOUR DEFINITION IS CRAS ARE IN MELBOURNE AND O'GALLEY DOWNTOWN. SERRANO DOESN'T HAVE ONE. THAT'S AN UNFAIR THING THAT THEY DESERVE EITHER A CRA OR WE NEED TO GET RID OF ALL OF THEM BECAUSE IT'S UNFAIR. LIKE THAT'S UNFAIR. IT IS UNFAIR. SO THEN YOU WANT TO CRA THERE OR DO YOU WANT TO GET RID OF ALL OF THEM? WHICH ONE IS IT? WHAT WHAT DO YOU WANT TO PUT A CRA ON SERRANO. OR DO YOU WANT TO GET RID OF CRA. BUT THIS IS THE DISCUSSION OF THE. HOLD ON. PLEASE. PLEASE DO NOT HOLD ON A SECOND. LET'S GET ONE AT A TIME. BUT I WILL SAY THAT I. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, MISS HANLEY. HOWEVER, WE ALREADY INHERENTLY DO THAT WITH THE CRAS AND WITH OUR OTHER ECONOMIC ZONES. SO HOLD ON A SECOND. WITH OUR ECONOMIC ZONES, I'M ALL FOR GIVING A SMALL THE SMALL BUSINESS A BREAK. BUT IN THE OTHER SENTENCE, WHERE IS THE MONEY GOING TO COME FROM TO PICK UP FROM THAT? BECAUSE IN THIS BUDGET CRISIS, I MEAN, WE'RE LOOKING AT GETTING WE'RE NOT NOW, BUT THE SUMMER CAMPS GOING AWAY, THE FIREWORKS. FIREWORKS ARE GONE. ALL THESE THINGS ARE GOING. IF WE GIVE ALL THESE BREAKS, WHERE IS THAT MONEY GOING TO COME FROM? BUT I THINK YOU YOU HAVE AN IDEA MAYBE OF WHERE THAT'S GOING. BUT TO YOUR POINT, MISS HANLEY, I THINK WE WE ALREADY PUT MORE MONEY IN SOME AREAS THAN WE DO OTHERS BECAUSE WE HAVE THE ECONOMIC ZONES. AND IN THOSE ZONES THEY GET MORE. AND I THINK THAT. BUT BUT WE NEED TO HELP JUST THE OTHER PEOPLE. WE HAVE SOME OF THE PEOPLE ON ON WICKHAM ROAD, SARNO ROAD, AURORA ROAD THAT THEY WOULD LIKE SOME FACELIFT, YOU KNOW, BUT THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE NOT THE BIG THE BIG PEOPLE IN THE AREA, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE THEY WERE BUILT LATER ON IN, IN THE WHEN THE COMMUNITY BACK IN THE SPACE AGE CAME IN THERE. SO I THINK WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, HELP THOSE PEOPLE JUST AS MUCH. WE NEED TO HELP THE CRA. SO BUT THIS IS BUT I'M AFRAID IF WE TAKE DOLLARS. PARDON. I WISH I HAD WE HAD $1 MILLION. YEAH. ARE WE STILL COMMENTS. YEAH. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE YOU, MR. SMITH. AND THEN I HAVE A REQUEST TO SPEAK FOR HIM. WE CAN. WE WANT TO HEAR THAT FIRST. OKAY. MR. HARTMAN, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP. HI. STEFAN HARTMAN, 2196 COLONY DRIVE, MELBOURNE, FLORIDA. AND I THINK I CAN ANSWER A LOT OF YOUR QUESTIONS BECAUSE I. I STARTED THIS, UNFORTUNATELY. SORRY, ROBERT. YOU'RE GREAT, BUT I STARTED THIS SO YOU CAN BLAME ME FOR THIS. SO THIS CAME UP IN THE DOWNTOWN CRA DISCUSSION WHERE WE WERE ABOUT TO VOTE ON A PROPOSAL TO MATCH A GRANT. SO WE WERE GOING TO GIVE $30,000 TO SOMEONE REDEVELOPING A SMALL BUSINESS IN DOWNTOWN MELBOURNE. AND I THOUGHT OF THIS AND I WAS LIKE, WELL, THERE MAY BE A WAY TO, ONE, REMOVE BUREAUCRACY AND RED TAPE AND GIVE A FINANCIAL INCENTIVE WITHOUT SPENDING MONEY THAT WE MAY NOT HAVE COME DOWN THE ROAD. SO THIS GRANT MONEY COULD BE USED FOR OTHER THINGS. SO I CAME UP WITH THIS IDEA TO REMOVE SOME BUILDING PERMITS. NOW I'D LIKE TO GO A STEP FURTHER AND REMOVE SOME OTHER THINGS, BUT I HEARD THAT IT'S A BIT CONTROVERSIAL TO REMOVE EVEN THAT, BUT THE IDEA IS TO REMOVE RED TAPE AND BUREAUCRACY AND SOME NOMINAL FEES TO ENCOURAGE BUSINESSES TO COME BACK INTO A BLIGHTED AREA, THE DOWNTOWN CRA. SO I WOULD PROPOSE THAT YOU GUYS ELIMINATE THE BUILDING PERMIT FEES AND THEN ALSO CONSIDER OTHER FEES DOWN THE ROAD IF IT'S POSSIBLE, LIKE THE BUSINESS TAX RECEIPT, PERHAPS EVEN WAIVES THE FEES THE SIGN PERMITS, THE OUTDOOR SEATING, THE DISPLAY APPROVALS, THE ROUTINE PLAN REVIEW. THERE'S A LOT OF FEES THAT MAY SCARE OFF SMALL BUSINESSES FROM STARTING, BUT THEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE BIG BUSINESSES LIKE THE DOWNTOWN MELBOURNE. NOW

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LIKE, HOW IS THIS GOING TO MAKE OR BREAK OUR BUILDING DIVISIONS? I WOULD SAY TO THAT, COUNCILWOMAN BASSETT IS, YOU ARE CORRECT. BUT IN IN MY MIND, SOMETHING LIKE THIS COULD REALLY HELP THE DOWNTOWN, BOTH DOWNTOWN AREAS AND OUR ECONOMIC AREAS, IF WE CAN FIND IT IN THE BUDGET SOMEPLACE ELSE OR INCREASE THE MILLAGE, EITHER ONE OF THOSE TWO, IF WE CAN FIND A WAY TO DO ONE OF THOSE TWO THINGS, THEN I THINK THIS IS A REALLY GREAT PROGRAM. SO IS THIS ALSO SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE MOVING TO? THE 23RD OF SEPTEMBER 23RD MEETING? I'M NOT TRYING TO BOG IT DOWN, BUT SMITH AND THEN SO VICE MAYOR, I KNOW WE GOT ANOTHER PRESENTATION RIGHT AFTER THIS AND I. AND THANK YOU, MR. HARTMAN, FOR WHAT YOU STATED, BUT AS OPPOSED TO JUST ELIMINATING THE FEES, BECAUSE I AGREE WITH YOU, EVERYTHING YOU JUST STATED ABOUT INCENTIVIZING BUSINESS. AND I'VE PROPOSED A COUPLE OF THINGS UP HERE. I THINK THAT HAVING IT WHERE IT'S GOING TO FALL UNDER THE AUSPICES OF A GRANT OR FALL UNDER SOME TYPE OF FUNDING THAT WE WILL SORT OF SET ASIDE, AND THEN THAT FUNDING COULD BE USED FOR WHATEVER THAT BUSINESS WANTS TO USE IT FOR. AND SO I THINK THAT AS AS WE LISTEN TO THIS NEXT PRESENTATION, I THINK IT WOULD HELP TO MAYBE COVER SOME OF THAT. I DON'T KNOW, AND I KNOW IT PROBABLY CAME UP AT THE DOWNTOWN CRA MEETING. SO I'M VERY INTERESTED TO HEAR WHAT THAT HAS TO SAY, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK CUTTING FEES FOR THAT FOR THIS PARTICULAR PURPOSES IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO, BECAUSE YOU GOT TO HAVE A BALANCED BUDGET, YOU GOT TO HAVE A WAY OF BRINGING IN REVENUE. BUT ALSO I WANT TO DO SOMETHING TO INCENTIVIZE. AND SO I THINK HAVING AN. I LOVE EVEN WHAT. MR. BECAUSE I. DISTRICT ONE, I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF BUSINESSES ON WHAT I CALL THE WICKHAM ROAD BUSINESS DISTRICT, RIGHT. IN DISTRICT ONE. BUT RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE A METHOD OR A WAY TO INCENTIVIZE ANYTHING NEW TO COME IN THERE OR FOR ANYBODY TO RENOVATE ANYTHING. BUT I DO UNDERSTAND THE INTENT AND THE PURPOSE BEHIND WHY CRAS ARE PUT IN PLACE. THEY'RE PUT IN PLACE, AND I'M LOOKING AT THE REPORT HERE. NOW YOU CAN LOOK AT WHAT DOWNTOWN O'GALLEY USED TO BE. YOU CAN LOOK AT DOWNTOWN MELBOURNE USED TO BE, AND WHY CRAS ARE PUT IN PLACE IN ORDER TO INCENTIVIZE BUSINESSES TO COME AND TO GROW. AND THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT THOSE CRAS HAVE DONE IN ORDER TO DO THAT. SO I DON'T FEEL THAT THE THE THE WAY THAT THE PROPOSAL IS COMING ACROSS NOW HAS TO BE STATED THAT WAY. BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD FIGURE OUT WAYS TO PROVIDE SOME TYPE OF FUNDING, AND NOT JUST FOR THIS, BUT FOR OTHER THINGS THAT BUSINESSES NEED IN ORDER FOR THEM TO BE PUT IN PLACE IN ORDER FOR THEM TO GROW AND FOR NEW BUSINESSES TO COME INTO THE AREA. SO MY POINT. YES. SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, MISS BASSETT, BECAUSE I THINK THAT WAS A VERY PERTINENT QUESTION, WHICH IS WOULD WE POSTPONE THIS TO A FUTURE MEETING, THIS AND THAT? WHAT I WOULD ARGUE IS THAT IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH SOME SORT OF SOME SOME FORM OF DIRECTION FOR STAFF OF SOMETHING TO LOOK INTO OR TALK ABOUT, I WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY OF WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT PERMITS, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT PERMITS, IT TOOK STAFF A COUPLE OF MONTHS TOGETHER, SOME DATA. THEN WE HAD A COUPLE, WE HAD A MEETING ABOUT IT. I THINK

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WE LIFTED THE HOOD UP, WE LOOKED AT WHAT IT WAS. BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT IF IT'S STILL TAKING SIX WEEKS FOR A PERMIT TO DO A FENCE, I DO THINK THAT THERE'S STILL SOME EFFICIENCY THAT WE COULD BUILD IN, EVEN THOUGH I MAKE MY POINT ABOUT THE COST. BUT I THINK THAT AS A CITY, ALSO BECOMING MORE EFFICIENT IS JUST GOING TO MAKE IT THAT MUCH BETTER FOR OUR BUSINESSES AND OUR CITIZENS, OUR RESIDENTS WHO WANT TO DO THINGS WITH THE CITY. SO YOU HAD SOMETHING. I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK IF IT COULD IF IF ANY ACTION WAS TAKEN, THAT YOU COULD LET STAFF AT LEAST GET YOU THE NUMBERS AND SORT OF LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE HISTORICALLY SEEN FOR DOLLAR VALUES AND WHAT THAT EQUATES TO, BECAUSE WHILE $400 MAY NOT SOUND LIKE MUCH TO REMOVE, BUT I THINK IT HAS TO DO WITH QUANTITY. AND I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF THOSE SMALLER PERMITS THAT THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE YEAR. AND I THINK THAT MAY TOTAL UP MORE. SO THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO AT LEAST GET SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS FOR YOU. SO DO WE JUST NEED A CONSENSUS THEN TO GIVE STAFF DIRECTION? DO WE HAVE A CONSENSUS? OKAY, EVERYBODY GOOD TO IN YOUR IN YOUR SPARE TIME. OKAY, SO NOW THAT SPARE TIME IS THE CONSENSUS TO JUST GATHER DATA, BECAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD ALSO BE WHAT IS THE DATA? BUT THEN ALSO SOME IDEAS OF IMPLEMENTING ON A SMALL BUSINESS SIDE, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE THINKING? THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING. OKAY, COOL. BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I THINK WOULD BE GREAT. THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU? SURE. YEAH. GREAT. I'M NOT VOTING. THANK YOU. YOU ARE SO WELCOME. ALL RIGHT. SO WAS THERE CONSENSUS? YES. OKAY. AS FAR AS PRIORITIZATION, I DO RECOGNIZE THAT YOU GAVE US A LITTLE TIME. OBVIOUSLY, THE NEXT MONTH IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE HECTIC WITH THIS UPCOMING BUDGET AND WITH, WITH THE REQUESTS. WE'RE STILL TRYING TO GET ANSWERS TO THAT YOU MADE ON AT THE SPECIAL BUDGET MEETING. SO I'M PLACING THAT AS HIGHER PRIORITY THAN THIS, BUT WE WILL GET TO IT. I'VE GOT A QUESTION AND SOON, BUT I GOT A QUESTION. THANK YOU. HOW ABOUT SEEING HOW THE BUDGET SESSION WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW AND THE DIFFICULTIES THAT WE'RE FACING AND THE DECISIONS WE'RE HAVING TO MAKE RATHER THAN TO PILE ON? WHY DON'T WE ALLOW STAFF TO PUT THIS DATA TOGETHER AND PRESENT IT TO THE THE NEXT COUNCIL TO MAKE THEIR DECISIONS ON THIS AND TO HELP MOVE THE CITY ALONG IN ANOTHER WAY. SO THAT'S ONLY IT'S ONLY THREE MONTHS. NO, NO, THAT WAS THAT WAS KIND OF SORT OF. IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE THINKING? IF I WASN'T CLEAR, I THINK IT I DON'T THINK THAT THIS COUNCIL OR FUTURE COUNCIL COULD MAKE A STRONG DECISION ON IT UNTIL THAT VOTE HAPPENS. BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT STARTING THE PROCESS, GETTING THE DATA. I'M NOT TRYING TO KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD. I'M JUST WONDERING, I THINK THIS IS I THINK IT'S BEING VERY PRUDENT. NO. YOU'RE FIRED. OKAY. I CAN'T DO THAT. I THINK THAT'S WHAT. WAIT A SECOND. LET ME SEE. I WAS GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME FOR THAT. RIGHT. EXACTLY. SO SO SO SO LET THAT TIME ELAPSE. LET LET LET LET STAFF DO IT AT THEIR BEST POWER AND THEIR BEST SPEED RATHER THAN TO START PILING ON, PILING ON, PILING ON. I DON'T BELIEVE IN ELIMINATING ALL ALL THE FEES. I MEAN, BUSINESS HAS EXISTED FOR A MILLION YEARS WITHOUT. WITHOUT TAKING FEES AWAY. IT'S A FACT OF LIFE. IT'S A PART OF BUSINESS. AND SO ALTHOUGH MISS HARTMAN, I WHOLEHEARTEDLY DISAGREE WITH YOU, AND I WILL, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THE ELIMINATION OF FEES ARE THE WAY TO GO FOR FOR THIS CITY AT ALL. NOW, IF YOU LOOK OVER YOUR SHOULDER AND YOU SEE WHAT ROSS TOLD US THAT THIS CITY IS, IS, IS WE DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT, A LOT, A LOT OF LAND TO GROW ON ANYMORE. SO WE HAVE TO WE HAVE TO BENEFIT FROM WHAT WE DO HAVE. SO. YES, SIR. ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY. THANK YOU.

[16. Melbourne Downtown Community Redevelopment Agency (CRA) Building Improvement Grant Program.]

WE WILL CONVENE AS THE MELBOURNE DOWNTOWN CRA REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY FOR THE FOLLOWING ITEM. MELBOURNE DOWNTOWN COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY BUILDING IMPROVEMENT GRANT PROGRAM REPORTING ON THIS IS ROBERT MCKENZIE. YOU JUST LIKE BEING HERE, DON'T YOU? YEP. STILL HERE. SO GOOD EVENING AGAIN, VICE MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL ROB MCKENZIE, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MANAGER. SO THIS IS A SMALL BUSINESS INCENTIVE PROGRAM THAT'S BEEN IN THE WORKS FOR MANY MONTHS NOW. I'VE BEEN WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH THE MELBOURNE DOWNTOWN CRA ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON AND ALSO WITH CITY COUNCIL'S DIRECTION IN FORMING A SMALL BUSINESS CENTER PROGRAM SPECIFIC TO THE DOWNTOWN CRA. THIS WAS LAST BROUGHT TO CITY

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WE HAD A COUPLE STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS AS WELL WITH PROPERTY OWNERS AND BUSINESS OWNERS WHERE THIS WAS A DISCUSSION TOPIC. SO OVERALL FEEDBACK WAS VERY WELL RECEIVED. IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE BELIEVE WOULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL. AND ANOTHER TOOL IN THE TOOL BELT FOR ATTRACTING AND BRINGING BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN. SO WITH THAT, I'LL JUST WALK COUNCIL THROUGH THE INCENTIVE PROGRAM. SO IT'S A MATCHING REIMBURSEMENT GRANT, 5050 MATCH UP TO $30,000 FOR ELIGIBLE IMPROVEMENTS THAT BRING PROPERTIES INTO COMPLIANCE WITH FLORIDA BUILDING CODE AND FLORIDA FIRE PREVENTION CODE. SO A LOT OF THESE ENHANCEMENTS I'LL GO THROUGH HERE. WHAT THE ELIGIBLE IMPROVEMENTS ARE, ARE TYPICALLY THE THINGS THAT YOU DON'T THINK OF WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT PROPERTIES, ESPECIALLY AS A NEW BUSINESS OWNER, YOU KNOW, TAKING ON YOU, YOU GO LOOK AT A SPACE. I THINK OF IT LIKE LOOKING AT A HOUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK COSMETICALLY WHAT YOU NEED TO DO, UPDATE THE KITCHENS, BATHROOMS AND SO FORTH. BUT A LOT OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS THAT GET PULLED UP BY FLORIDA BUILDING CODE, FLORIDA FIRE PREVENTION CODE ARE BEHIND THE WALLS, UNDERNEATH THE TILE, THINGS YOU DON'T SEE OR THINK ABOUT WITH THESE COSTS. SO A LOT, A LOT OF TIMES WITH THESE BUSINESS OWNERS, THESE ARE COSTS THAT ARE UNFORESEEN AND NOT BUDGETED FOR. AND WE DEFINITELY HAD, YOU KNOW, MEETINGS WITH COMPANIES ULTIMATELY FELL THROUGH BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE COST TO COMPLY WITH WHAT WAS BEING REQUIRED FROM THE, FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. SO JUST TO HELP FREE UP SOME FUNDS ON THAT FOR SEASONED BUSINESS OWNERS WHO ARE EXPECTING THESE TYPE OF COSTS, ALLOWS THEM THE ABILITY TO REINVEST BACK INTO THEIR BUSINESS. AND THEN FOR THOSE NEW BUSINESS OWNERS TO HELP THEM OVERCOME THAT FINANCIAL OBSTACLE. AND WE DID ADD BUILDING PERMIT FEES. IT WOULD BE FOR EXISTING PROPERTIES. SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU SEE THE COUPLE HUNDRED DOLLARS IN BUILDING PERMIT FEES WOULD BE MORE FOR THAT FOR THE SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS, NOT FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, NEW DEVELOPMENT. SO WHO CAN APPLY? SO WITH THIS INCENTIVE PROGRAM, WE WANT TO INCENTIVIZE BUSINESSES THAT ARE GOING TO BE A GOOD FIT FOR DOWNTOWN. THE BIGGEST THING THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS FOR THOSE CUSTOMER FACING BUSINESSES SUCH AS RESTAURANT AND RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT. NOT THAT IT ONLY HAS TO BE RESTAURANT AND RETAIL, BUT THE ONES THAT ARE GOING TO ACTIVATE STOREFRONT SPACE AND BRING FOOT TRAFFIC DOWNTOWN. SO TRY TO MAKE DOWNTOWN A DESTINATION IN THE TYPE OF BUSINESSES THAT THAT WE LOOK TO SEE. SO A BUSINESS CAN BE AN APPLICANT. THEY WOULD NEED PROPERTY OWNER AUTHORIZATION. SO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A CO-APPLICANT IN THAT SENSE. AND THEN A PROPERTY OWNER WHO IS IN PROVEN TO SPACE TO PLACE A QUALIFIED BUSINESS IN THERE. AND SO THERE'S HELP WITH THE VACANCIES, YOU KNOW, THOSE CHRONICALLY VACANT PROPERTIES THAT HAVE BEEN DOWNTOWN AND WE'RE WORKING WITH SOME PROPERTY OWNERS, SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF I HAD, IF I'M ABLE TO ADD A RESTROOM, BE ABLE TO BRING A BUSINESS IN. SO SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT IF THEY WERE ABLE TO MAKE THIS IMPROVEMENT MAY NOT HAVE THE FUNDING TO DO SO WOULD, WOULD HELP WITH THE TENANT PLACEMENT. SO THESE ARE INELIGIBLE BUSINESS TYPE EXAMPLES. SO OFFICES, WAREHOUSING, BODY SHOPS, HOME BASED BUSINESSES, GAS STATIONS, SMOKE VAPE SHOPS, BARS, NIGHTCLUBS, LIQUOR STORES, TATTOO SHOPS OR TEMPORARY SEASONAL OPERATIONS. SO AGAIN, BEING SELECTIVE IN THE TYPE OF BUSINESSES THAT WOULD BE A GOOD FITS FOR, FOR DOWNTOWN AND BRINGING THAT CONSISTENT FOOT TRAFFIC. SO TO WALK COUNCIL THROUGH THE PROCESS. SO FIRST, FIRST STEP IN IT MIMICS A LOT OF WHAT THE FACADE GRANT IS LIKE. SO MEET WITH STAFF, HAVE A MEETING. THIS IS WHERE THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT BE INVOLVED AND BE ABLE TO SEE EXACTLY THE WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING. IF IT'S A CHANGE OF USE, COMMERCIAL ALTERATION, AND WHAT WHAT TYPE OF REQUIREMENTS WOULD BE REQUIRED OF FLORIDA BUILDING CODE AND FLORIDA FIRE PREVENTION CODE? AND WHAT WAS DISCUSSED A LOT THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS IS AND ALSO FINDING FROM THE WORKSHOP WAS THERE'S A LACK OF AWARENESS OF AVAILABLE FREE BUSINESS RESOURCES THAT ARE OUT THERE FOR, FOR BUSINESS OWNERS. SO FOR US TO VET THE BUSINESS AND, YOU KNOW, REQUIRING A BUSINESS PLAN TO BE AS PART OF THE APPLICATION, BUT ALSO WE LOOK AT IT AS AN EDUCATIONAL COMPONENT TO OPEN THE DOOR TO, FOR THESE BUSINESS OWNERS TO GO GET WITH. WE VENTURE OUT OF FLORIDA TECH SMALL BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT CENTER OF EASTERN FLORIDA STATE COLLEGE, OR SCORE AND GET WITH THE MENTOR OR BUSINESS CONSULTANT TO NOT ONLY BUILD THEIR BUSINESS PLAN, FIND FAULTS IN THEIR IN THEIR BUSINESS AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING. WE WANT TO SET THEM UP WITH SUCCESS, BUT TO THEN CONTINUE

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AND WE HAVE THREE REVIEWS THROUGH THE MELBOURNE MAIN STREET ECONOMIC VITALITY COMMITTEE REVIEW. SO WORKING CLOSELY WITH MELBOURNE MAIN STREET ON THIS DURING THE BUSINESS IS A GOOD FIT. GET THEIR RECOMMENDATION, SEE OUR ADVISORY COMMITTEE. AND THEN LASTLY HERE WITH THE CRA BOARD AND CITY COUNCIL EXECUTE THE REBATE AGREEMENT. THEY CAN GO GET PERMITS. CONSTRUCTION WILL BEGIN AND THEN REIMBURSEMENT HAPPENS. ONCE THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY OR CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION IS IS ISSUED. SO FOR PROPERTY OWNERS THAT ARE LOOKING TO BRING A NEW BUSINESS IN, IT'S VERY SPECULATIVE THAT AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DOING TO IMPROVE THE SPACES. WE'LL DO 50% OF THE REIMBURSEMENT UPON THE CO OR CC, AND THEN THE REMAINING 50%. ONCE THAT BUSINESS IS PLACED, ALL THE TREES ARE TAKEN OR ALL THE TREES ARE OBTAINED, AND THEN THE LEASE AGREEMENT IS IN PLACE. AND SO FOR NEW BUSINESS COMING IN, WE WANT TO SET UP SOME STABILITY, SOME OF THE CONCERN WITH THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING WITH THEM IS IF WE'RE IMPROVING PROPERTIES, HOW DO WE STOP PROPERTY OWNERS FROM INCREASING RENTS ON THE BUSINESSES? SO BY REQUIRING A THREE YEAR MINIMUM LEASE TERM ALLOWS US STABILITY FOR THE BUSINESS TO GET SETTLED AND HOPEFULLY SUCCESSFUL. SO SOUNDS A LOT LIKE NEW YORK CITY NOW. AND THE APPLICANT IS IN THERE, SAME AS THE FACADE IS TO MAINTAIN THE PREMIUMS FOR AT LEAST FIVE YEARS. FIVE YEARS OR THREE YEARS, FIVE YEARS TO MAINTAIN THE IMPROVEMENTS. YEAH. CAN I JUST ASK A QUESTION ON THAT? SO I'M JUST TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND THIS. THEY'RE GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO HAVE THE SAME PRICE POINT FOR THREE YEARS, RIGHT? SO LIKE THEY THEY CAN'T INCREASE THE RENT, BUT YOU HAVE THE APPLICANT HAS TO MAINTAIN IMPROVEMENTS FOR FIVE YEARS. WHAT HAPPENS IF THE BUILDING GOES UNDER OR THE BUSINESS GOES UNDER. GREAT. THAT WOULD BE THE PROPERTY OWNERS, ALSO AN APPLICANT IN THIS SENSE AS WELL. SO IT'D BE ALSO ON THE PROPERTY OWNER TO MAINTAIN THE IMPROVEMENTS. OKAY. AND ROBERT. CORRECT. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. I DON'T KNOW IF THE THREE YEAR LEASE TERM IS TRYING TO SET THE SAME RENT AMOUNT YEAR OVER YEAR, RIGHT? IT'S TO PROVIDE STABILITY IN BOTH THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE BUSINESS, UNDERSTAND WHAT THOSE TERMS ARE FOR, FOR THAT THREE FOR THAT THREE YEAR PERIOD, CORRECT? YEAH. SO WE, WE WANTED TO DETER THE ABILITY FOR PROPERTY OWNER TO OFFER A ONE YEAR LEASE AND THEN, YOU KNOW, NEXT YEAR, KICK THE BUSINESS OUT OR SO FORTH. SO THIS KIND OF SETS THAT STABILITY THAT THEY HAVE A FEW YEARS TO GET TO GET UP AND RUNNING. BUT THE PROPERTY OWNER DOESN'T HAVE THAT STABILITY FROM THE INSURANCE COMPANIES OR FROM THE OUTSIDE INFLUENCES THAT THAT THEY FACE. SO HOW CAN WE PUSH THAT DOWN TO ALL STATE AND TO THE AND TO GOVERNMENT UP IN TALLAHASSEE? THEY'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO GET INCREASED ON ON EVERYTHING THAT THEY DO. BELIEVE ME WHEN I TELL YOU I'M, I'M A BUSINESS OWNER. I STARTED AND I KNOW AND I CAN SMELL A BAD DEAL WHEN I, WHEN I SEE IT, THIS DOESN'T REALLY FIT WELL FOR ME BECAUSE I'M NOT THE PROPERTY OWNER. BUT IF I WERE.

AND I AND WE DEAL WITH THEM ALL THE TIME, YOU KNOW, GUARANTEES DO I HAVE NOW I GOT TO GIVE HIM THREE YEARS GUARANTEED RENT AND GUARANTEED EVERYTHING ELSE. BUT WHAT IF MY STUFF GOES UP AND IT'S NOW HE'S AT NOW I'M AT A DEFICIT WITH HIM AND I CAN'T DO ANYTHING. YOU SEE WHAT'S GOING ON OUT THERE? I THINK THIS IS UNREASONABLE. I REALLY DO KNOW. I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE INTENT IS, AND THE INTENT IS SO THAT YOU GET GRANT MONEY AND IMPROVEMENTS ARE MADE. BUT YOU HAVE I MEAN, THERE'S A NUMBER OF EXAMPLES FROM DOWNTOWN MELBOURNE, AND I'LL GO THROUGH THOSE HERE IN A MINUTE, WHERE THE LEASEE, THE BUSINESS THAT WAS THERE, WANTED IMPROVEMENTS, BUT THE PROPERTY OWNER WOULD NOT MAKE THE IMPROVEMENTS. SO NOW THIS IS A WAY TO GET THAT PROPERTY IMPROVED. NOW, YOU KNOW, SOME TYPE OF AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE BUSINESS AND THE PROPERTY OWNER, BECAUSE THERE ARE A FEW BUILDINGS DOWN THERE THAT REALLY NEED SOME, SOME LOVE, RIGHT? SO THIS IS ONE WAY, I THINK, TO GET THOSE BUILDINGS MOVING. AND, AND THERE'S BEEN A NUMBER OF STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS WHERE PROPERTY OWNERS DON'T COME, RIGHT? BUT THE BUSINESS IS LIKE, MAN, WE NEED HELP, RIGHT? NO PROPERTY HAD TO MOVE BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T GET THE REPAIRS AND STUFF THAT THEY NEED. I MEAN, SO, SO THIS IS, I THINK, A VERY ADMIRABLE ATTEMPT, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT. AND I AND I THINK ADAM ALSO SAID IT'S NOT TO FORCE IT TO STAY THE SAME, BUT IT'S LIKE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET AN IMPROVEMENT. YOU'RE GOING TO JUST JUMP UP ON ME. I MEAN, SO THERE HAS TO BE SOME TYPE OF COMPROMISE THERE. SO MAYBE THE VERBIAGE CAN BE TWEAKED. BUT I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE. IT'S CALLED FREE ENTERPRISE. YEAH. BUT YOU WEREN'T GOING TO DO IT WITHOUT THE CITY PUTTING MONEY IN IT TO EITHER. SO IF YOU TAKE SOMETHING AWAY FROM THE CITY, YOU GOT SOMETHING'S GOT TO FILL IT IN. SO WHERE DO YOU PULL OUT FROM ONE PLACE AND THEN YOU FILL IT IN WITH SOMETHING ELSE.

THEN YOU INCREASE FEES ON ONE OTHER SIDE. YOU I WHO WHO'S PROTECTING THE PROPERTY OWNER? AND I GET IT. YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTY OWNERS, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY NOT COME TO THE STAKEHOLDER

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WE'RE NOT MAKING ASSUMPTIONS ON INDIVIDUAL OPPORTUNITIES WITH INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS.

WE'RE PUTTING A CART, A BLANKET ACROSS THE WHOLE THING, SAYING, SORRY FOR YOUR BAD LUCK, BUT YOU GOT TO DO THE IMPROVEMENTS. SORRY FOR YOUR BAD LUCK, BUT YOU KNOW, SO ON AND SO FORTH.

YOU KNOW, I HAVE A REQUEST FROM DEVIL'S ADVOCATE, THAT'S ALL. I MAY VERY WELL JUMP ON BOARD WITH THIS THING AFTER THE WHOLE THING IS DONE, BUT RIGHT NOW I DON'T SEE THAT PATHWAY FOR ME.

CONVINCE ME. AND I HAVE A REQUEST FOR MR. NEWMAN. DON'T YOU WORRY. I'LL CONVINCE YOU, MR. LARUSSO. WHAT WAS THE PHRASE I SAID EARLIER? I'LL GO UP AND DOWN, LEFT AND RIGHT IN ORDER TO FIGHT FOR OUR DOWNTOWN'S. AND I'LL. I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, WHEN I. NO OFFENSE TO YOU BOTH. YOU BOTH ARE LOVELY PEOPLE, BUT WHEN I HEARD THAT OUR. OUR PROPERTY AND BUSINESS OWNERS AREN'T SHOWING UP TO OUR STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS, I HAVE GOT ROBERT AND CINDY AS MY WITNESS THAT WE HAD A WONDERFUL STAKEHOLDER MEETING WITH PROPERTY OWNERS IN DOWNTOWN MELBOURNE, AND THEY ARE SO EXCITED THAT THEY WANT TO HAVE ANOTHER ONE IN THE NEXT COUPLE INFORMATION I DIDN'T HAVE. OH NO, NOW YOU KNOW. YEAH, BUT BUT SO THAT SAID LIKE, THEY ARE OVER THE MOON. AND I'LL TELL YOU, ONE OF OUR MOST I THOUGHT FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, IT WAS MY FIRST PROPERTY OWNER TOWN HALL MEETING. SO I MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIASED, BUT APPARENTLY IT WAS VERY, VERY LIVELY AND A LOT OF THE EXCITEMENT WAS AROUND THIS PROGRAM AND THINGS THAT THE CITY WERE DOING. NOW, IF WE NEED TO TWEAK THE PROGRAM, I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT THE IDEA THAT WE ARE THINKING OF PROGRAMS WITH OUR CRA TO HELP IMPROVE THE BUILDINGS AND THAT THE PROPERTY OWNERS OWN WAS VERY, VERY WELL RECEIVED. AND I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY THINK WILL IMPROVE THE OVERALL QUALITY OF AT LEAST DOWNTOWN MELBOURNE IN THAT REGARD. AND I'M SURE WE COULD. WELL, NOT WE, BECAUSE ADAM SENDS OUT THESE LOVELY ADVISORIES THAT I CAN'T GO TO YOURS. BUT IF YOU HAVE A TOWN HALL FOR THE EAU GALLIE GROUP, I BET YOU YOU MIGHT GET A SIMILAR THING. NOT TO PICK ON YOU, ADAM. I WOULD WELCOME THAT OPPORTUNITY. I REALLY KNOW, AND I THINK THAT YOU'VE HAD SUCCESS. IT'S VERY SUCCESSFUL. IT WAS VERY, VERY SUCCESSFUL. AND LIKE I SAID, WE'RE I'M ALREADY EXCITED TO DO IT AGAIN. BUT I WOULD I WOULD VERY MUCH THINK THAT WE EITHER IF IT'S IF THERE'S CERTAIN GUIDELINES AND THINGS THAT MAKE THIS NOT PASSABLE TODAY, I'D LOVE TO IRON THAT OUT AT THE NEXT POSSIBLE MEETING. BUT I DO THINK THAT FIGHTING AND HAVING THIS PROGRAM THAT IS GOING TO HELP OUR BUSINESSES, ESPECIALLY AT LEAST IN THE DOWNTOWN CRA AND THE FUNDING IS COMING FROM THAT IN THIS PARTICULAR ONE, I THINK WOULD BE EXTRAORDINARILY BENEFICIAL TO TO OUR CITY. SO WITH THAT QUESTION, MR. LARUSSO, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DIRECT CITY STAFF TO POSSIBLY TWEAK IN THIS? YOU KNOW, I DON'T YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY YOU'VE BEEN DOWN THIS ROAD, DAVID. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YOU'VE YOU'VE HELD THE MEETINGS AND EVERYTHING. IT'S NOT BEEN AN ISSUE FOR DOWNTOWN EAU GALLIE, OKAY. IT HASN'T COME UP. IT HASN'T BEEN ADDRESSED. BUT DOWNTOWN O'GALLEY IS ON A WAITING LIST. OKAY. TO BE ABLE TO RENT SOMEPLACE, NOT SO MUCH WITH DOWNTOWN MELBOURNE. RIGHT.

SO THERE ARE TWO. YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TALKING ORANGES TO APPLES, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY.

RIGHT. BUT IF THERE'S A PIGGYBACK OPPORTUNITY THAT BECAUSE THAT'S EVERYTHING FLIPS, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOOD TODAY IS NOT SO GOOD TOMORROW. YOU KNOW, I WOULD BE WILLING TO I WOULD BE OPEN TO, TO YOUR SUGGESTIONS AND YOUR IDEAS AND WHAT YOU HAVE TO, WHAT YOU HAVE TO OFFER HERE. I JUST AM FEARFUL BECAUSE OF ALL THE NEWS THAT WE HEAR COMING OUT OF SOME OF THE MAJOR METROPOLITAN AREAS OF THESE KIND, THESE TYPE OF, OF PROGRAMS THAT ARE FORCING PEOPLE TO GO BANKRUPT, THAT ARE FORCING PROPERTY OWNERS TO, TO GO INTO FORECLOSURE OR WALK AWAY FROM THEIR PROJECTS, WHETHER IT BE BUSINESS OR WHETHER IT BE RENTERS. YOU KNOW, WE HEAR THIS, WE LISTEN TO THE SAME CHANNEL, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, PRETTY MUCH. SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY FEAR. YEAH, THAT'S THE ONLY, THAT'S WHERE I GOT TO PUSH BACK ON IT. SURE. UNDERSTANDABLE.

OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE GO AHEAD. OKAY. BECAUSE I'M GETTING CONFUSED ON ONE THING HERE. SO WE WOULD GIVE 3000 FOR THE WHAT DO YOU WANT TO CALL THE INSIDE. I'M GOING TO SAY THE INSIDE GRANT. AND THEN THEY CAN GO TO THE 60,000 FOR THE FACADE. CORRECT. SO I DID HAVE BUT THEN I'M READING GOING. THEY CAN'T DO BOTH. YEAH. I DID HAVE ONE MORE SLIDE AND I'LL FINISH UP THERE. BUT YES, KIND OF GETS INTO THE FINE PRINT OF THINGS. SO INELIGIBLE APPLICANTS AND THIS IS BUSINESSES THAT THAT ARE QUALIFIED AND MAYBE HAVE BEEN AWARDED. SO IF YOU HAVE AN ELIGIBLE APPLICANTS. SO IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED FUNDING FROM THE CRA WITHIN THE PAST FIVE YEARS, WHETHER THAT IS THE FACADE GRANT, YOU WOULD BE INELIGIBLE FOR THIS PROGRAM. THIS IS

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STAFF'S THOUGHTS BEHIND THIS WAS TO NOT TO BE ABLE TO STRETCH OUT THE CRA DOLLARS FOR THESE INCENTIVE PROGRAMS TO, TO MORE PROPERTIES, MORE BUSINESSES, RATHER THAN OVERINVESTING INTO, INTO, YOU KNOW, A FEW PROPERTIES. AND THEN APPLICANTS WHO HAVE PREVIOUSLY RECEIVED FUNDING THROUGH THE, THROUGH THIS PROGRAM MAY APPLY AGAIN ONLY IF AT LEAST FIVE YEARS HAVE HAVE PASSED AND THEY FULLY COMPLY WITH THE REBATE AGREEMENT IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE MADE THROUGH THIS PROGRAM BECAUSE THEY'RE VERY MORE SO STRUCTURAL, WOULD NOT BE ELIGIBLE FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING. SO IF THEY MADE IF THEY MADE THE IMPROVEMENTS APPLIED FOR THESE SPECIFIC IMPROVEMENTS, THEY WOULD HAVE TO WAIT TEN YEARS TO REAPPLY FOR THOSE SAME IMPROVEMENTS. HOWEVER, AFTER FIVE YEARS, THEY COULD APPLY FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF IMPROVEMENTS IN THERE. AND THEN APPLICANTS WHO DEFAULTED ON A PREVIOUS REBATE AGREEMENT ARE PERMANENTLY INELIGIBLE FOR THIS PROGRAM. ALSO, JUST LIKE OUR FACADE. AND THEN FOR PROPERTY OWNERS THAT HAVE MULTI-TENANT PROPERTIES, ONLY ONE GRANT WOULD BE AWARDED PER TAX PARCEL DURING EACH FISCAL YEAR. SO THAT WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT MILKING THE ENTIRE PROGRAM FUNDS INTO ONE PROPERTY BECAUSE THERE'S BUILDINGS OUT THERE THAT HAVE MULTIPLE UNITS, OF COURSE. AND WITH THAT LAST SLIDE. OKAY, COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH, FIRST OFF, I WANT TO COMMEND THE STAFF ON THE DUE DILIGENCE THAT THEY DID, ROBERT, AND THE DUE DILIGENCE AND ALSO THE DOWNTOWN CRA ADVISORY BOARD. AND JUST SORT OF REMIND THAT THIS WAS A INITIATIVE FOR A REQUEST I TALKED ABOUT, I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FROM SINCE FIRST BEING ELECTED ON COUNCIL. AND ALTHOUGH IT DOES NOT FULLY MEET THE INTENT, AS I ORIGINALLY VISUALIZED, THIS IS DEFINITELY PROGRESS BEYOND THE FACADE PROGRAM. ONLY MY.

ANOTHER POINT THAT I'D LIKE TO MAKE IS I WOULD LIKE TO REVIEW THE INELIGIBLE BUSINESS LIST BECAUSE WHEN I. WHEN I MADE THAT INITIAL PROPOSAL, IT WAS WITH THE DOWNTOWN SOUTH EXPANSION IN MIND AND THE TYPES OF BUSINESSES THAT REALLY NEED TO GO INTO THAT BLIGHTED AREA.

AND AS YOU KNOW, I'M HEAVILY INVOLVED WITH THE HISTORIC AMERICAN LEGION POST 191, BEEN THERE FOR YEARS. AND THAT THAT BUILDING AND A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT HAPPENED THERE. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S GOING TO BE ANY TYPE OF CASE BY CASE CONSIDERATION BASED ON THE REVENUE MODEL AND BASED ON THE FOOT TRAFFIC, BECAUSE I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE. I THINK ABOUT EL MOJITO, FOR EXAMPLE. RIGHT. WOULD THAT BE CONSIDERED A RESTAURANT, A NIGHTCLUB AT THE TIME WHERE IT WAS IN ITS PREVIOUS LOCATION? BECAUSE THEY WERE, WEREN'T THEY? THAT'S THE EXAMPLE THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT. AND THEY THEY DID. THEY MOVED BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO GET ANY TYPES OF IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE FACILITY. MAYBE COUNCILMAN NEWMAN HAS HAD SOME FURTHER CONVERSATION BECAUSE WHEN I WHEN I PROPOSED THIS, INITIALLY, IT WAS WITH SOME OF THOSE BUSINESSES THAT I HAD BEEN INTERACTING WITH OVER THE YEARS FOR THE TIME. SO MY MY QUESTION IS, WILL THEY BE WILL THERE BE A POTENTIAL FOR A CASE BY CASE ANALYSIS, DEPENDING ON THE ACTUAL MODEL, THE FOOT TRAFFIC, THE USAGE AND THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT, AS OPPOSED TO JUST CUT BLOCKS? AND THERE'S GOING TO BE A HARD NO ON, ON THAT MODEL. YES, I WILL SAY IT DOES LEAVE IT OPEN FOR THOSE CUSTOMER FACING COMMERCIAL USES.

WE USE THE LANGUAGE, THE WORDS SUCH AS RESTAURANTS AND RETAIL ESTABLISHMENTS. I WOULD, I WOULD SAY THIS, THIS PROGRAM VERY MUCH SO IS GEARED TOWARDS THE DOWNTOWN. AND SO WE DO HAVE AS AN ELIGIBLE BUSINESS TYPES, YOU KNOW, WAREHOUSING, DIFFERENT THINGS OF THAT NATURE, BUT IT IS MUCH SO ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, DEPENDING ON, YOU KNOW, THE NATURE OF THE BUSINESS AND THEIR, THEIR I MEAN, THAT ONE BULLET, YOU GO BACK JUST THAT ONE BULLET ALONE.

THAT'S A LOT OF GO BACK TO THE INELIGIBLE LIST, SMOKE VAPE BARS, NIGHTCLUBS AND LIQUOR STORES. I MEAN, I'M NOT I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE LIQUOR STORE. THAT ONE COULD DEFINITELY HAVE ITS OWN BULLET. BUT THAT LIST OF THOSE ESTABLISHMENTS, I MEAN, THAT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE, A LOT OF FOOT TRAFFIC, A LOT OF BUSINESS THAT'S GENERATED JUST FROM THAT, THAT THAT LIST RIGHT THERE ALONE. YEAH, THAT CATEGORY ALONE. SO I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT THOSE SMOKE VAPE SHOPS, BARS AND NIGHTCLUBS WOULD BE BECAUSE THAT THOSE CATEGORIES ALONE GENERATE A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, QUALITY OF LIFE, A LOT OF BUSINESS, A LOT OF ATTRACTION, YOU KNOW, THAT'S MELBOURNE, DOWNTOWN MELBOURNE NIGHTLIFE, YOU KNOW? YEAH, WE WERE LOOKING AT TRYING TO CREATE A HEALTHY SORT OF TENANT MIX WITH, WITH WHAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY DOWNTOWN. SO TO INCENTIVIZE THE TYPE OF BUSINESSES THAT, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE A GOOD FIT FOR DOWNTOWN AND ALSO IN THE DAYTIME AS, AS WELL, I MEAN, BECAUSE I MEAN, A LOT OF PLACES THAT I GO TO ON THE WEEKENDS,

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SO THAT, AND THEN MY FINAL POINT REAL QUICK WOULD BE I, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CODE, BUT THIS ALSO NOT BE USED ON ENHANCEMENTS, RIGHT? I WANT TO IMPROVE MY LIGHTING, RIGHT? OR I WANT TO IMPROVE MY, THE FLOORING OR I WANT TO MAKE AN IMPROVEMENT, YOU KNOW, IS THAT NOT ALSO ELIGIBLE BASED ON THE VERBIAGE THAT WE HAVE HERE? NO. YEAH. THIS, THIS, THIS WOULD BE IMPROVEMENTS THAT'S STRICTLY RELATED TO FLORIDA BUILDING CODE AND FLORIDA FIRE PREVENTION CODE. SO AGAIN, A LOT OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS ARE UNFORESEEN COSTS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE BUSINESS OWNERS AREN'T EXPECTING. YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY COME IN, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY WALK INTO A SPACE AND BE AND LOOK AT IT AND SAY, I NEED TO REPLACE THE FLOOR. I NEED THIS PAINT TO THE WALLS, BUT THEN GET HIT WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF FLORIDA BUILDING CODE. SO JUST TO HELP IN THAT MANNER, BECAUSE A LOT OF THE COMPLAINTS THAT WE HAVE HEARD FROM DOWNTOWN ARE WHEN PEOPLE HAVE COME IN FOR DIFFERENT IMPROVEMENTS, WHERE SOME OF THE ADA UPGRADES, THEY HAD NO IDEA. THEY'RE LIKE, OH, WELL, THERE'S A BATHROOM THERE.

WELL, YOU KNOW, FLORIDA BUILDING CODE REQUIRES TWO BATHROOMS OR THEY NEED TO DO THE ADA IMPROVEMENTS OR, OR MODIFY A BATHROOM TO GO UP TO ADA STANDARDS. AND THOSE REALLY ARE WHAT, WHAT I BELIEVE THE PROGRAM IS TRYING TO ADDRESS IS THOSE UNFORESEEN, YOU KNOW, MOST MOST PEOPLE, THEY WALK IN AND THEY'RE LIKE, OH YEAH, THERE'S A BATHROOM. I DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT. AND THEN AS THEY START GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS, THEY REALIZE THEY HAVE TO DO THAT. YOU KNOW, ADDITIONALLY, IF IT'S CONVERTING TO A RESTAURANT OR SOME TYPE OF FOOD PREP, YOU MAY NEED A VENTILATION OR A HOOD IN THOSE TYPE OF THINGS WOULD BE INCLUDED ALSO. SO I, AND I THINK SOMETIMES THE LIGHTING MAY BE ELIGIBLE IF THE LIGHTING DOESN'T, ISN'T UP TO CODE TO BEGIN WITH OR, OR, OR THE ELECTRICAL. YEAH. IT'S JUST, I MEAN, IT'S ALL IT NEEDS TO BE IMPROVED AND ENHANCED. VICE MAYOR. YES. AND I'LL JUST PIGGYBACK BECAUSE COUNCIL HAD PREVIOUSLY IDENTIFIED. RIGHT. WE RUN INTO SITUATIONS WHERE THERE MAY BE A CONFLICT BETWEEN A PROPERTY OWNER AND AN EXISTING TENANT, OR A, A POSSIBLE TENANT ON WHO'S COVERING THE COSTS OF THOSE TYPES OF IMPROVEMENTS TO BRING THINGS BACK UP TO CODE STANDARDS. RIGHT. AND THE ONE OF THE INTENDED PURPOSES OF THIS PROGRAM IS TO HELP BRIDGE THAT GAP SO THAT, SO THAT WE, YOU KNOW, CONNECT MORE PROPERTY OWNERS AND TENANTS AND BUSINESSES TO, TO CROSS THIS HURDLE OF, OF BRINGING THAT PROPERTY INTO, INTO, AND BEING ABLE TO BRING THOSE BUSINESSES IN OR RETAIN THEM. YEAH, I DID ONE THING I, SO I WAS THINKING ABOUT THIS AS I'M LOOKING, I'M LOOKING AT THE, THE MINUTES FROM THE PREVIOUS CRA MEETING. AND I THINK ACTUALLY IT MIGHT BE, I DIDN'T REALLY GET A GOOD READ OF WHERE THE CRA'S INTEREST AND DISCUSSION WAS. I DON'T KNOW IF I MIGHT BE ABLE TO. WE GOT A MEMBER OF THE CRA IN THE CHAIR HERE. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'D BE INTERESTED IN. IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE ADVISING, I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU. I DON'T KNOW IF

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DEAN, I WASN'T GOING TO SPEAK TONIGHT, BUT YOU GUYS ARE HAVING SUCH GREAT CONVERSATION UP HERE. I'M CHOMPING AT THE BIT BACK THERE. THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS I'VE ALREADY SHARED AT THE CRA ADVISORY MEETINGS THAT I JUST CAN'T SUPPORT ON THIS. AND WE WERE PRETTY SPLIT.

I WANT TO SEE BUSINESSES COME INTO DOWNTOWN, OBVIOUSLY, BUT I STILL GO BACK TO IMPROVING THE INSIDE OF BUILDINGS FOR LANDLORDS WHO ARE GETTING INCENTIVIZED TO NOT REPAIR THEIR EXISTING BUILDINGS. I THINK THAT MAYBE THERE IS SOME REALLY GOOD MOMENTUM GOING HERE AND THAT IT CAN STILL BE TWEAKED, BUT I DO THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A WAYS AWAY WHEN WE REFERENCE, YOU KNOW, WAREHOUSING AND TYPICAL USES THAT ARE C TWO ZONING, NOT C THREE ZONING. SO FIRST OF ALL, THEY'RE NOT EVEN GOING TO BE IN DOWNTOWN. AND IF WE'RE LOOKING AT SOUTH US ONE IT'S SO BLIGHTED, THEN WHY WOULD WE NOT OPEN IT UP TO C TWO ZONING TO IMPROVE WHAT WE'RE ALREADY ZONED TO DO THERE. I DON'T I DON'T I THINK THERE'S A DISCONNECT ON THAT AS WELL. I KIND OF AND GOING BACK TO THE PREVIOUS CONVERSATION, I GO BACK TO WHEN I OPENED OUR FIRST RETAIL BUSINESS, WHERE WE ARE NOW AT THE END OF NEW HAVEN.

AND THERE'S SO MANY. AND THIS GOES A LITTLE BIT TO WHAT MARK LEWIS, COUNCILMAN LARUSSO WAS STATING. YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SO MANY BUSINESSES THAT DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY ARE. AND IF THEY'RE EVEN IN A CRA, WHEN THEY COME DOWN TO START A BUSINESS, THEY'RE JUST SUPER EXCITED TO OPEN THEIR DOORS AND GET IN THERE. WHEN WE OPENED OUR DOORS, WE WERE RIPPING UP CARPET. WE DIDN'T EVEN OWN THE BUILDING. I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT I HAD TO HAVE EXIT LIGHTS UP. I WAS SO YOUNG. I WAS JUST EXCITED TO OPEN MY OWN BUSINESS. AND SO, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT A DOWNTOWN OVERLAY, THEN YOU'VE GOT A CRA OVERLAY, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT ALL THIS BUREAUCRACY AND YOU CAN SEE IF ROBERT GOES BACK TO THAT LIST, IT'S JUST CREATING MORE AND MORE LAYERS OF APPROVALS THAT YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT MAKE IT ALREADY HARD ON A BUSINESS THAT'S TRYING TO OPEN UP THEIR DOORS. I DO THINK THAT WE NEED IMPROVEMENTS ON THE INSIDE OF A LOT OF THESE OLDER BUILDINGS. I 100% AGREE WITH THAT. I'M JUST NOT SURE. AND THEN WE ALSO DID GO BACK AND FORTH. I WAS ONE THAT THINKS IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, IT NEEDS TO BE BOTH INSIDE AND OUTSIDE. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULD RESTRICT IT TO JUST ONE OR THE OTHER. SO. AND I'M OPEN TO QUESTIONS ON ANYTHING THAT YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO ASK. CAN WE ASK ROBERT WHY ABOUT THOSE PARTICULAR RESTRICTIONS? BECAUSE I AM LOOKING AT THE DOWNTOWN CRA MAP HERE, AND I COULD SEE THE ARGUMENT THAT'S BEING MADE ABOUT THIS. SO IN WHAT WAY WOULD WE. BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO BE TOTALLY TAILORED TO JUST SPECIFICALLY THE DOWNTOWN CORE BUSINESSES. BUT COULD WE GIVE A SPECIFIC IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT HERE? I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO THROW OUT THE BABY WITH THE BATHWATER, BUT I ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M ASSUMING THERE'S A RHYME OR REASON WHY STAFF, DID YOU KNOW THE SUGGESTION THAT THEY DID? AND I APOLOGIZE FOR FOR JUMPING IN BECAUSE ROBERT'S DONE A GREAT JOB EXPLAINING THAT. AND YOU GUYS HAVE HAD GREAT CONVERSATION. BUT AS I HEAR YOU GUYS TALKING, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AND I HEAR WHAT LISA'S, YOU KNOW, BRINGING OUT, I THINK WHAT MAYBE NEEDS TO BE DISTINGUISHED IS EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE ONE CRA, WE DO HAVE SORT OF DIFFERENT, SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT GOALS IN DIFFERENT AREAS. AND SO THIS PROGRAM REALLY CAME FROM WORKING WITH MELBOURNE MAIN STREET AND LOOKING AT THIS SORT OF CORE DOWNTOWN AREA. SO THAT'S THE PERSPECTIVE THAT WE'VE WE'VE BROUGHT THIS TO CITY COUNCIL. AND SO THE USES THAT WE WERE LOOKING TO INCENTIVIZE AND THIS IS THIS IS AN INCENTIVE, THIS IS TO GET THOSE BUSINESSES TO COME DOWN. WHAT DO WE NEED DOWNTOWN RIGHT NOW ON NEW HAVEN AVENUE? I'LL JUST SAY THAT GENERICALLY ON NEW HAVEN AVENUE. WHAT DO WE NEED BACK DOWNTOWN? WE DO NOT NEED TO INCENTIVIZE BARS, NIGHTCLUBS, VAPE SHOPS AND TATTOO SHOPS. WE HAVE PLENTY. AND SO I WOULD ASK COUNCIL TO REALLY THINK HARD ABOUT WANTING TO INCENTIVIZE THOSE USES THAT WE WE ALREADY HAVE ENOUGH OF DOWNTOWN. WHAT WE NEED DOWNTOWN IS WHAT IS GOING TO BRING THAT DAY TO DAY FOOT TRAFFIC. WE VERY MUCH DIFFERENTIATED BETWEEN A RESTAURANT AND A BAR BECAUSE THAT'S A ZONING CODE ISSUE. AND YES, SOME ARE SORT OF SOMETIMES IN A GRAY AREA. ARE THEY REALLY A RESTAURANT? ARE THEY REALLY A BAR? BUT WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT WE WANT TO INCENTIVIZE. AND I THINK MAYBE WHERE SOME OF THIS IS LEADING IS THAT MAYBE THERE'S SOME DIFFERENTIATION IN AREAS. SOUTH U.S. ONE, FOR THE MOST PART, HAS A DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICT THAN THE DOWNTOWN MELBOURNE AREA. SO, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S SOME THOUGHT THAT COUNCIL WANTS TO GO WITH A TWO TIERED, YOU KNOW, THIS AREA IS ALLOWED THESE THINGS. I MEAN, A LOT OF THOSE USES THAT ARE ON THE INELIGIBLE

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YOU GET A 3 TO 1 REIMBURSEMENT IN THE SOUTH U.S. ONE CORRIDOR, YOU ONLY GET A 2 TO 1 IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. SO YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, NEW TERRITORY. WE COULD FRAMEWORK THE PROGRAM TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN. WELL, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, FOR THE MOST PART, IT'S A IT'S A HOW BECAUSE I SEE YOUR VISION, I, AND I APPRECIATE YOU, BY THE WAY, TALKING ABOUT I REALLY DO. SO IS THERE A POSSIBLE WAY THAT IT'S A WE BECAUSE I, AS I MENTIONED, I DON'T WANT TO THROW THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATHWATER. I THINK YOU GUYS PUT A LOT OF WORK INTO THIS. AND I KNOW OUR DOWNTOWN BUSINESS OWNERS ARE REALLY ARE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO SOMETHING LIKE THIS. COULD WE PASS THIS NOW WITH THE UNDERSTANDING AND DIRECTION THAT, HEY, THERE WOULD BE AN AMENDMENT OR ANOTHER PIECE OF ANOTHER RESOLUTION OR SOMETHING COMING UP AT A FUTURE DATE THAT WE COULD LOOK INTO TO TACKLE THESE OTHER AREAS. WOULD THAT BE A REASONABLE APPROACH? I GUESS WE COULD DO THAT. AND AND JUST OF NOTE TOO, IS, AS WE MENTIONED IN THE ITEM REPORT, IF COUNCIL APPROVES THIS PROGRAM TONIGHT, WE STILL ACTUALLY HAVE TO COME BACK AND AMEND THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN.

AND SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A PROCESS. WE HAVE A NOTICE REQUIREMENT TAXING AUTHORITIES.

WE HAVE TO GO TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD. WE HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU TWO TIMES. SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO TAKE THAT STEP UNTIL TONIGHT AND AND GET THE FEEDBACK. BECAUSE IF YOU GUYS DON'T WANT TO DO THIS PROGRAM, THEN WE DON'T NEED TO INITIATE THAT STEP. BUT IF YOU'D LIKE US TO LOOK AT MAYBE SOME DIFFERENTIATION IN THE PROGRAM OR MOVING THIS PROGRAM FORWARD WITH KNOWING WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK AND DIFFERENTIATE, WE COULD GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED ON THE PLAN AMENDMENT TIMELINE AND AND START MOVING THAT ALONG. I'D LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD ON SOMETHING TODAY AND THEN DO SOMETHING FOR THE OTHER AREA.

CAN I JUST WANTED, OKAY, WHAT WAS THE VOTE AND WHY? WHAT I MEAN, YOU'RE SAYING IT WAS 5050 OR WHAT? WHAT I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY WHAT WAS THE VOTE WITH THE CRA ADVISORY AND WHY WAS SOME OF THEM AGAINST IT? SO WE DIDN'T HAVE AN OFFICIAL VOTE. WE HAD MORE OF A DISCUSSION.

AND I DID READ THE MINUTES BECAUSE I WAS WONDERING THE EXACT SAME THING. AND IT JUST SAID THAT WE WERE SPLIT. SO THERE ISN'T ANYTHING IN THE MINUTES THAT STATES WHO. I MEAN, I KIND OF KNOW JUST, YOU KNOW, FROM REMEMBERING, BUT IT WAS, IT WAS PRETTY CLOSE TO EVEN AS WHAT I REMEMBER, BUT I KNOW THAT IT WAS MOSTLY JUST IN THE WAY THAT IT WAS CONSTRUCTED.

AND IT ACTUALLY WASN'T. WE DIDN'T LOOK AT THIS AT THIS LAST MEETING, SO IT WASN'T IN ITS FULL FORM YET. SO THERE WAS A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH PRESENTED AT THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING, THESE EXACT SLIDES. AND AND SO IT WAS A THREE THREE ESSENTIALLY ERROR ON ALL OF OUR PARTS. THEY DID NOT MAKE A FORMAL MOTION. IT GOT A LITTLE BIT SIDEWAYS IN SOME RESPECTS, BECAUSE THE COMMITTEE WAS TORN BETWEEN WHETHER YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THE FACADE IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM AND THIS PROGRAM SIMULTANEOUSLY. THAT WAS THE DIFFERENTIATING FACTOR. SOME OF THE BOARD MEMBERS SAID, NO, WE YOU SHOULDN'T GET TO DOUBLE DIP AT THE SAME TIME. AND OTHERS WANTED THAT. IS THAT WHAT. THAT WAS THE ONLY REASONS WHY SOME PEOPLE VOTED AGAINST IT. NOBODY VOTED AGAINST IT. IT WAS, I THINK, GENERALLY THE COMMITTEE

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SO THANK YOU. AND CAN YOU JUST MAKE SURE YOU FILL OUT THAT FORM FOR US? SO IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY ONLY FOR THE PURPOSES OF MOVING IT FORWARD. THE ONLY QUESTION THAT I REALLY HAVE FOR EVERYBODY, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S CONSENSUS SO FAR ON THE THE IDEA, WHICH IS THE BASICALLY IT WOULD HELP THE PROPERTY OWNERS. WE ALL KIND OF LIKE IT. THE ONLY PIECES THAT WE REALLY. I WASN'T SURE HOW I WOULD MAKE A MOTION BECAUSE I'D LOVE TO MAKE A MOTION ON. THIS IS A. AFTER WHAT YOU HEARD FROM CINDY, DO YOU WANT TO KEEP. DO YOU WANT TO STILL REMOVE THE BARS, NIGHTCLUBS, LIQUOR STORES, VAPE SHOPS, ETC. THAT THAT THAT BULLET POINT AND THEN B, IS EVERYONE OKAY WITH THAT? HAVING THEM TAKE A LOOK AT ANOTHER PROGRAM LIKE AN ADDITION TO IT, THOSE TWEAKS AND BRING THAT BACK, MOVE FORWARD ON THIS AND THEN MOVE BACK ANOTHER TIME. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WANT TO. I THINK FOR ME, I WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE THE VAPES, BARS AND NIGHTCLUBS FROM THE OKAY, INELIGIBLE. BUT WITH THE TWO TIER OF THE TWO DIFFERENT ZONES. SO THEN YES. YEAH. PERFECT. OKAY. YEAH, YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. IS THAT AGAIN, GREAT, GREAT PROGRESS FROM, FROM WHERE WE WERE. I MEAN, REALLY GOOD. AND I THINK THAT IT AND BASED OFF OF, YOU KNOW, GETTING SOME TYPE OF MOMENTUM, SOME TYPE OF ENERGY, I DEFINITELY WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SOMETHING. AND IF.

BUT AND THE SOUTH EXPANSION, IN ADDITION TO THE US ONE CORRIDOR, I KNOW THAT'S ALL A PART OF THAT THAT SOUTH DISPATCH. BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER WE AGREE TO THIS EVENING, WE'LL WE'LL CONTINUE TO REFINE AND ENSURE THAT WE WE TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT AT THAT THAT SOUTHERN ANNEX AREA. SO, SO WITH WITH JUST HAVING SEEN A FEW FURROWED BROWS, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT STAFF. AND WE UNDERSTAND WHAT WHAT THE DIRECTION IS. ARE YOU LOOKING FOR THE REMOVAL OF SMOKE AND VAPE SHOP BARS AND NIGHTCLUBS FROM THE INELIGIBLE LIST AS IT RELATES TO THE SOUTH EXPANSION AREA OR FOR THE ENTIRE CRA? AND THEN OR ALTERNATIVELY, ARE YOU LOOKING BECAUSE BECAUSE AGAIN, RIGHT. IT WAS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION NOT TO HAVE THOSE AS ELIGIBLE, BECAUSE THERE'S A SUFFICIENT NUMBER WITHIN WITHIN THE CORE DOWNTOWN NOW. AND WE'RE TRYING TO INCENTIVIZE A DIFFERENT MIXTURE OF, OF BUILDINGS. OR ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH CONTINUING TO INCENTIVIZE THOSE AS ADDITIONALLY WITHIN THE CORE, WITHIN THE CORE AREA? OR ALTERNATIVELY, WERE YOU LOOKING FOR THAT TO BE AN EXPANDED ALLOW PART OF THE EXPANDED ALLOWABLE USE WITHIN THE EXPANSION AREA SUCH THAT THERE WERE THERE WERE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES AND TIERS WITHIN THE CORE DOWNTOWN VERSUS THE EXPANSION AREA? I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION. I WANT THE I WANT THEM TO MOVE. I WOULD WANT THEM REMOVED GENERALLY ACROSS THE ENTIRE PROGRAM BECAUSE OF THE THE BUSINESSES. I UNDERSTAND CINDY'S POINT ABOUT FOOT TRAFFIC DURING THE DAY, BUT WE ALSO FOOT TRAFFIC AT NIGHT IS IS A IS ANOTHER CONSIDERATION. AND SOME OF THOSE INSTITUTIONS REALLY NEED, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY NEED SOME HELP AS FAR AS MEETING THEIR CODE AND THEIR IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE NEEDED TO. WE JUST WE JUST DON'T KNOW. SO I WOULD WANT THAT REMOVED FROM THE GENERAL PROGRAM AND THEN ALSO MOVE INTO WHAT WE MAY DO FOR THE SOUTH SUSPENSION AREA, IF I MAY. IS THERE IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS LIST FOR THE SOUTH EXPANSION AREA THAT YOU'D WANT REMOVED? HOW DO YOU DEFINE TEMPORARY OR SEASONAL OPERATIONS? FOR ME, I WOULD SAY SOMETHING LIKE A SPIRIT HALLOWEEN COME IN, POP UP. BUT YEAH, CHRISTMAS TREE STAND. SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, CAN YOU JUST GET A A THING AND THEN MAKE SURE WE HAVE TIME. YEAH.

OH, WE HAVE TO COME UP, SIR. DON'T DO THAT. IT'S A SCHOOL NIGHT. I'LL PROMISE TO FIGURE IT OUT AFTER I'M DONE. JUST QUICKLY. MY NAME IS EMILY CORDOVA, SECRETARY DIRECTOR FOR MELBOURNE MAIN STREET. JUST WANT TO MAKE A QUICK COMMENT ON THE REMOVAL OF THE SMOKE. VAPE SHOPS, BARS, NIGHTCLUBS, LIQUOR STORES. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I CONTINUE TO HEAR FROM OUR BUSINESS OWNERS ON A DAY TO DAY BASIS IS, AND ALSO FROM SOME OF THE OUTSIDE VISITORS. IS

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WE HAVEN'T SET ANY TYPE OF QUOTA OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT TO SAY THAT INVITING MORE, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE FOR THE ONES THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN PLACE. AGAIN, I JUST USED THE EL MOJITO EXAMPLE AND THE FIRE AND THE THING THAT THEY HAD THERE AND THE CODE, I DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS OF IT. I JUST GOT THE GIST OF IT. AND SO THERE WAS IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE NEEDED. AND IF WE'D HAD THIS POTENTIAL PROGRAM, THAT PROPERTY OWNER AND THAT BUSINESS POTENTIALLY COULD HAVE COME TO SOME TYPE OF COMPROMISE AND HAD THOSE IMPROVEMENTS MADE THAT WERE NEEDED, COULD WE PUT IN THERE THAT THE VAPE SHOPS, BARS AND NIGHTCLUBS THAT ALREADY EXIST DOWN THERE ARE ELIGIBLE FOR THE PROGRAM, BUT NO NEW ONES? NO, IT'S AND AND NO WRONG, NO WRONG. THE PROGRAM IS STILL CASE BY CASE, RIGHT? WE DON'T HAVE. MR. CONLEY IS LOOKING AT ME WITH THAT. LOOK, THAT'S NOT A THING. WE DON'T HAVE TO APPROVE EVERYBODY THAT SUBMITS. I MEAN IT'S STILL EVERYTHING IS OVERALL CASE. IT'S IT'S IT'S ALWAYS ON A CASE RIGHT. YOU'RE GOING TO SEE YOU'RE GOING TO SEE ALL OF THESE APPLICATIONS COME BEFORE YOU JUST LIKE THE FACADE FACADE PROGRAM, RIGHT? SO EACH ONE, EACH ONE IS ON A IS ON A CASE BY CASE. I WOULD, I WOULD BE CAUTIOUS ABOUT TRYING TO RESTRICT IT ONLY TO. YEAH. NO, I TRY IT. IT'S NOT, IT WASN'T, IT WASN'T A TERRIBLE IDEA. IT'S JUST TRYING TO AVOID POTHOLES WHERE, WHERE WE CAN. RIGHT. WELL AND THAT'S WHAT IS IT ALLOWED TO GROW. WHAT YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO GROW IS MR. BUSINESS YOU'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE AND WHAT BUSINESS YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE IS. MR. SO TO THAT, I WOULD JUST SAY IT'S IT'S NOT A REGULATION, IT'S AN INCENTIVE PROGRAM. RIGHT. AND SO BOTH THE CRAS AND THE CITY HAVE SOME WIDE LATITUDE IN DECIDING WHAT THEY WANT TO AND DON'T WANT TO INCENTIVIZE. AND SO AGAIN, RIGHT, NO ONE NO ONE IS BEING FORCED INTO THIS PROGRAM. IT'S SIMPLY A, DO YOU WANT TO TRY TO RETAIN OR SOLICIT THESE TYPES OF BUSINESSES TO COME DOWNTOWN THROUGH GIVING THEM GRANT, CRA GRANT FUNDS TO TRY AND BRIDGE THE GAP WHERE THEY MAY BE STRUGGLING TO COME UP TO CODE.

AND MR. CONLEY JUST SORT OF BROUGHT UP PROCESS AGAIN. AND ROBERT AND I WERE JUST CHATTING ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I THINK MISS HARRINGTON AND MR. HARTMAN BOTH BROUGHT UP THE PROCESS BEING LENGTHY. AND STAFF IS HAPPY TO TO CHANGE THIS AND MAKE THEM COME DIRECTLY TO CITY COUNCIL.

IF YOU YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO CUT OUT THE BUREAUCRACY AND NOT GO TO MAIN STREET, NOT GO TO THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. WE CAN BRING IT STRAIGHT TO COUNCIL AND AND CUT DOWN, YOU KNOW, A GOOD SIX WEEKS OF TIME FRAME. SO IF THAT'S A CONCERN COUNCIL HAS, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO MAKE THAT CHANGE AS WELL. I'M GOING TO GET MISS HANLEY AND THEN MISS LYNN, IS THERE A IS THERE A LIMIT OF THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT CAN APPLY FOR THIS PER YEAR? YES. BUDGET IS WHAT OUR BUDGET IS. BUDGET. SO IT'S THE SAME AS THE FACADE IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. SO WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW. DO YOU KNOW I KNOW YOU GRANT. YEAH. CURRENTLY WE HAVE $60,000 BUDGETED ANNUALLY FOR FACADE IMPROVEMENT. AND WE WERE LOOKING AT THEN ADDING $90,000 INTO THE PROGRAM FOR THE IN INTERIOR BUILDING IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. SO THAT WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY THEY'RE NOT ALWAYS EQUAL AND THEY DON'T ALWAYS ALL GET TO THE MAXIMUM. BUT YOU COULD HAVE THREE OF EACH PROGRAM A YEAR. WHAT'S HAPPENED IN PAST YEARS? SOME YEARS WE HAVEN'T HAD, YOU KNOW,

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YEAH. OKAY. I'LL SECOND. MR. CONLEY, DO I HAVE TO RESTATE THE WHOLE THING OR. NO, I THINK WE UNDERSTAND THERE WAS A BIT LENGTHY, THE AMENDED MOTION. OKAY. I'LL SECOND, AS STATED, I AS AMENDED, I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER NEWMAN AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH.

ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AND I VOTE AYE IN THAT MOTION PASSES. GREAT CONVERSATION. GO WITH GOD. GREAT CONVERSATION. YEP. SO WITH THAT COUNCIL WE'LL

[17. Law Enforcement Trust Fund]

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THAT IS THE POWELL SUBDIVISION NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE SAINT JOHN MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH, AND A REVIEW OF THE REQUEST WAS CONDUCTED. AND BOTH OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS HAVE DONE THE NATIONAL NIGHT OUT EVENTS IN THE PAST. AND SO IT DOES DEEM TO HAVE A PUBLIC PURPOSE, AND IT DOES COMPLY WITH FLORIDA STATE STATUTES. SO I'M PROPOSING TO DISPERSE $3,500 TO THE POWELL NEIGHBORHOOD SUBDIVISION, AND THEY PROJECT TO HAVE 400 PARTICIPANTS. THIS IS THE EVENT AT EDDIE LEE TAYLOR. IT'S A VERY SUCCESSFUL IT'S A PROBABLY SEVERAL YEARS RUNNING. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE UP AT CARVER PARK, SAINT JOHN MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH TO RECEIVE $3,000. AND THEY HAVE A PROJECTION OF 200 ATTENDEES AS WELL. AND AGAIN, IT'S A REPEAT EVENT THERE AT CARVER PARK. AND SAINT JOHN'S DID THIS LAST YEAR AS WELL. THE FISCAL IMPACT IS THAT'S THE $6,500 FROM THE LAW ENFORCEMENT TRUST FUND TO BE APPROPRIATED TO SUPPORT THESE INITIATIVES. AND MY REQUESTED ACTION IS APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION 4429. THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO DO SO, AND THEN APPROVAL OF THE GRANT FUNDING AGREEMENTS WITH THE CITY AND THE POWELL SUBDIVISION, NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH AND SAINT JOHN MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH TO HOST THESE NATIONAL NIGHT OUT EVENTS. EXCUSE ME, I GOT A QUESTION. GO AHEAD, MR. HANLEY.

OKAY. BECAUSE I PALM BAY, ARE THEY USUALLY YOU DO IT IN THE SOUTH END WITH EDDIE LEE TAYLOR WITH PALM BAY. IS PALM BAY PUTTING ANY MONEY INTO IT? PALM BAY POWELL SUBDIVISION NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH IS IN PALM BAY. PEOPLE FROM THEIR COMMUNITY MERGE WITH US TO PUT THIS EVENT ON ON THE SOUTH END. SO THEIR PALM BAY IS PUTTING THE MONEY. I'M TALKING MONEY, HONEY. THE MONEY FROM IT IS. THAT'S WHAT MY REQUEST IS. OKAY. BUT FROM HERE, PUTTING ANYTHING IN THE MONEY, I'M REQUESTING THE MONEY FROM OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT TRUST FUND, 100% FROM MELBOURNE, FROM OUR TRUST FUND. BECAUSE AFTER GOING INTO MR. RUSSO'S AREA THE LAST TIME THEY THE MAYOR CAME IN AND SAID THAT WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING. WE WEREN'T THERE. AND I WAS A LITTLE PERTURBED. SO I WANT TO COME IN MY TERRITORY AND YOU WANT TO TAKE THE GLORY. COME. I WANT YOU TO PONY UP SOME MONEY TOO. THAT'S MY ATTITUDE. THE MAYOR SPENDS A LOT OF TIME IN THE CITY OF MELBOURNE. WELL, FOR SOMEONE THAT LOVES HIS CITY SO MUCH, HE SPENDS A LOT OF TIME IN MELBOURNE. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. HAS THE CITY OF PALM BAY EVER HELPED WITH THE NATIONAL NIGHT OUT AT EDDIE LEE TAYLOR AT ALL? I CAN ONLY PAY FOR IT, RIGHT? YEAH. WITH OUR FUNDS. YES. THAT'S CORRECT. SO THEY DON'T DO ANYTHING IN THEIR CITY. IT'S ALWAYS IN OUR CITY. NO THEY DO. THEY HAVE THEIR OWN NATIONAL NIGHT OUT EVENT. MAYBE THERE'S IN. YEAH.

OH. SO THEY JUST PIGGYBACK OFF OF OURS AS WELL. THEY JUST DO IT. OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE MISS JUST BECAUSE. BECAUSE EDDIE LEE TAYLOR IS SO CLOSE TO THE CITY LINE. AND I KNOW THAT OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES AND BOTH AGENCIES WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH EACH OTHER, AND THAT I DO KNOW THAT IS WHY THEY ATTEND THE EVENT. THEY DO HELP AT THE EVENT. AND THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, I, I'VE SEEN THEM THERE ON EVERY TIME I'VE BEEN THERE. BUT IT IT'S MORE OF A COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE THE BOUNDARY IS. WE'RE WORKING ON THIS TOGETHER. SO IN MY MIND, I LOOK AT THAT AS THEY ARE PUTTING IN A LITTLE BIT OF FUNDS BECAUSE THEY'RE PAYING FOR SOME OF THEIR OFFICERS TO BE THERE. RIGHT? RIGHT. I WOULD SAY SO I'D HATE TO GET PAROCHIAL ON THIS. IT'S NOT ABOUT US. IT'S NOT ABOUT THE DOLLARS. THE DOLLARS ARE THERE.

WE CAN SEPARATE. WE CAN SEPARATE ALL NIGHT LONG. BUT IT'S ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY LIVE THERE AND IT'S ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT WE REPRESENT. SO I'M OKAY WITH IT.

CHIEF. YOU'RE OKAY WITH IT? YES, SIR. OKAY, THEN I'M OKAY TOO. YEAH, I'M GOOD WITH IT. OKAY.

MR. NEWMAN, I WAS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION. SO IF YOU HAVE A MOTION FOR THE APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION NUMBER 4429. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER NEWMAN AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER BASSETT. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AND I VOTE AYE. AND THAT MOTION PASSES. THIS IS A GREAT EVENT. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR PUTTING IT ON AND HELPING WITH A GREAT COMMUNITY EVENT. MY PLEASURE. THANK YOU. WE HAVE A SECOND MOTION I HAVE

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[D. PETITIONS, REMONSTRANCES, AND COMMUNICATIONS]

COUNCILMEMBER SMITH OH. ALL RIGHT. AWESOME. WE STARTED. I HAVE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION AND I WOULD LIKE TO GET CONSENSUS TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE CITY OF MELBOURNE BECOMING A PURPLE HEART CITY. IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW. IT'S VERY MINIMAL COST AS FAR AS THE SIGNAGE. WE HAVE A TEMPLATE THAT WE CAN FOLLOW. SO I'VE BEEN I WAS APPROACHED BY KEITH VAN BUREN AND A FEW OTHERS. SO I HAVE SOMETHING WRITTEN UP, BUT BEFORE I KIND OF SENT IT OVER TO STAFF, I WOULD LIKE TO BRING IT UP TO COUNCIL HERE TO SEE IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR ANY HEARTACHE WITH THE CITY OF MELBOURNE ALSO FOLLOWING SUIT TO BECOME A PURPLE HEART CITY. I JUST GOT A QUESTION THOUGH. DON'T WE HAVE A PURPLE HEART HIGHWAY IN THE CITY OF MELBOURNE? ISN'T THAT 192? THERE'S A PURPLE HEART HIGHWAY OR BYWAY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN OUR CITY. I, I DON'T RECALL, WE DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE IS, BUT I HAVE SEEN THAT DESIGNATION SOMEWHERE MYSELF TOO. IF WE CAN BUILD OFF THAT, I MEAN. THE US ONE OR IS THAT THE BLUE STAR? WELL, I GUESS SO. I, I GUESS WHERE WE ARE IS IS OKAY CITY LOOK INTO IT. OKAY, OKAY. THERE WE GO. YEP. I JUST THINK THAT THERE'S ONE ALREADY. NOT, NOT THE WHOLE CITY, BUT JUST JUST A HIGHWAY OR A STREET OR A CAUSEWAY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT COULD, YOU KNOW, MAYBE HELP PIGGYBACK THAT. YEAH. NO. THAT'S GREAT. SO THAT WILL BE SO WHATEVER WE CAN FIND OUT. AND THEN THAT COULD BE AN ENHANCEMENT. WITH THAT, COULD YOU FORWARD THE INFORMATION YOU ALREADY HAVE. SO WE'RE NOT STARTING FROM SCRATCH IF YOU'VE ALREADY LOOKED INTO. OKAY. THANK YOU. I WILL KEITH. KEITH WILL SEND A TEMPLATE EMAIL THAT WE COULD FOLLOW. AND, AND THERE'S A ACTUAL, A PURPLE HEART ORGANIZATION THAT I THINK THAT WE WOULD BE IN PARTNERSHIP WITH AS OPPOSED TO WHAT I THINK SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES JUST DID IT AS A DESIGNATION. BUT I THINK THAT MY CONVERSATION WITH HIM WOULD BE MORE ALONG THE LINES OF, IF THERE ARE PURPLE HEART RECIPIENTS HERE, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE CREATE AWARENESS, THAT WE'RE CONNECTING THEM WITH THE RESOURCES THAT ARE THERE TO SUPPORT THEM, IN ADDITION TO THE AWARENESS THAT WE'RE CREATING. AND, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN FIND THAT OUT THROUGH THE STATE AS WELL TOO. WHO HAS PURPLE HEART LICENSE PLATES IN THE CITY OF MELBOURNE? YES. OKAY. AND A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE, MR. LEONARD ROSS, AND I NOTICED HE WAS NOT IN ANY OF THE OTHER PICTURES, BUT HE'S A PURPLE HEART RECIPIENT. SO I WANT TO YOU KNOW, PEOPLE LIKE HIM ARE DEAR TO ME. SO SURE. SOUNDS LIKE A LITTLE BIT LIKE THE BREVARD PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND MILITARY FAMILIES THAT THE ICHAT THING. SO WE GET DESIGNATED AS MILITARY FAMILY FRIENDLY. AND I THINK WE HAVE MOST OF OUR SCHOOLS ARE MILITARY FAMILY FRIENDLY. WELL, YOU KNOW, VICE MAYOR, SO IT'S VERY INTERESTING YOU BRING THAT UP BECAUSE ALL OF THESE LITTLE THINGS, WHERE DO WE HAVE A PLACE TO WHERE ARE WE COLLECTING THIS INFORMATION? SO THAT WAY WE'RE NOT JUST DOING SOME OF THESE WILLY NILLY AND MAYBE BRINGING ALL THESE THINGS TOGETHER. I DON'T KNOW, IS THAT IN 2017, I MEAN, 2027, THAT'S YOUR INITIATIVE. I'M BRINGING IT UP NOW. OKAY. AND THEN I'VE ALREADY MENTIONED THE THANK YOU.

WE HAVE CONSENSUS AND I'LL WORK WITH THE STAFF ON, ON MANIFESTING THIS, BRINGING THIS TO LIFE. WE TALKED ABOUT THE ALWAYS STOP ON RED. THAT WAS A REALLY GREAT. I ALSO ATTENDED THE. ON FRIDAY, WE WERE THE NATIONAL VETERANS HOMELESS IN. I WAS. I WAS ALSO A GREAT EVENT.

SO BEING A VETERAN MYSELF, I THINK THE MORE THAT WE CONTINUE TO DO TO HIGHLIGHT VETERANS RESOURCES, VETERANS NEEDS THOSE THINGS. I'M HERE TO HELP CHAMPION THOSE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE. COUNCILMEMBER WILSON, NO, I'M GOOD FOR TONIGHT. THANKS. GOOD

[03:15:03]

YES, WE ARE ALREADY LOOKING AT IT WAS PART OF THE MINUTES, THE ONE THAT I THOUGHT THAT MIGHT BE A THING THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WAS IF YOU GUYS LOOK AT THE DEPENDING ON HOW THIS THING GOES, THE POLLING GOES EITHER WAY, DEPENDING ON WHO YOU SEE ON THIS PROPERTY TAX THING, THE GROUP THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY GET CUT OUT IS SUCH AS SCHOOLS.

AND SO I'M WONDERING, I THINK THERE'S SOME PROGRAMS THAT WE PROVIDE IN THE CITY THAT SUBSIDIZES SCHOOLS AND WHAT THEY DO. AND I WAS WONDERING IF, DO YOU NEED CONSENSUS JUST TO LOOK AT WHAT THOSE PROGRAMS ARE AND WHAT THE FISCAL IMPACT WOULD BE IF WE WERE TO NOT INCLUDE SOME OF THOSE SUBSIDIES IN AN UPCOMING BUDGET, WHATEVER THOSE PROGRAMS MIGHT BE. SO.

WELL, WELL, THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF THEM. I'VE LEARNED, LIKE THE SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS CROSSING GUARDS THERE. THERE'S A HANDFUL OF THEM. I THINK WE ALSO POTENTIALLY SUBSIDIZE DO WE THEIR FEES FOR USING OUR PARKS TO SOME DEGREE. LIKE, AGAIN, IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, USAGE FEES. I THINK THERE'S A LAUNDRY LIST THAT WE CAN LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, AT THIS POINT, IF, IF THEY'RE NOT GETTING IMPACTED, BUT WE ARE, I THINK IT'S WORTH, YOU KNOW, PICKING AND DECIDING, HEY, MAYBE, MAYBE THEY PAY FULL PRICE FOR THE TENNIS COURT. YOU KNOW, I'M SURE THE PICKLEBALL FOLKS WOULD LOVE THAT. BUT OH, IT'S A HOT TOPIC. YEAH, BUT SO DO YOU NEED CONSENSUS FOR THAT? OR WOULD YOU BE LOOKING AT THAT? WE ARE ALREADY STARTING TO LOOK INTO, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WE NEED SHOULD THE THE AMENDMENT THREE PASS. BUT HAVING CONSENSUS DOESN'T HURT AND WE WILL REALLY DIG INTO IT. YOU GUYS INTERESTED? WE'LL TALK TO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT BEFOREHAND. OKAY. PERFECT. THE NEXT ONE I WAS ACTUALLY, I TRULY, I WAS I LOVE OUR ECONOMIC DISCUSSIONS. I WANT YOU GUYS TO KNOW THAT I'M A NERD FOR THIS STUFF. AND I THINK THAT MISS HANLEY'S AND I'S DISCUSSION IS REALLY GOOD, TALKING ABOUT THESE ECONOMIC DISTRICTS AND ZONES THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY. I'VE TALKED TO AND HE'S NOT HERE, BUT I TALKED TO CINDY ABOUT IT AND JENNY TO SOME DEGREE ABOUT LIKE A MIDTOWN MIDTOWN ECONOMIC ZONE. AND THAT WAS A THAT'S A BUDGET ITEM. BUT THEN WE ALSO MAY WANT TO LOOK AT A ZONE OR MAYBE IN YOUR DISTRICT. THE ONLY PROBLEM IS, THOUGH, IS THAT WE DID HAVE A CRA, THE MIDTOWN, THE THE BABCOCK. BUT THAT WAS SUNSET LAST YEAR, LAST YEAR. SO RIGHT NOW THE PROBLEM IS, I KNOW THAT SOUNDS GREAT TO DO THAT, BUT THE STOMACH FOR THE COUNTY IS NOT GOING TO ALLOW US. OH NO, I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO CRA THERE'S AN ECONOMIC ZONE THAT ALLOWS FOR A RIGHT THAT ALLOWS US TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY TO BRING. THAT DOESN'T QUITE GO IN THERE BECAUSE IT GOES INTO THE BEGINNING PART OF IT, BUT IT DOESN'T GO INTO SOME OF THE OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE I ALREADY LOOKED AT THAT. OH, NO, WE CAN DETERMINE WHAT YOU CAN SET A ZONE, WE CAN SET WHATEVER. SO I WAS WONDERING IF THERE WAS CONSENSUS FROM COUNCIL FOR US TO LOOK AT THE MID, YOU KNOW, BRINGING THE MIDTOWN AND THE MAYBE WOULD BE MIDTOWN WOULD BE BASIC BABCOCK CORRIDOR AND THEN GOING UP TO BASICALLY, JUST SO YOU KNOW, BASICALLY BETWEEN THE TWO DOWNTOWNS THAT THAT AREA ALONG BABCOCK, I THINK WE RECEIVED CONSENSUS WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE C, BOZ ITEM THAT WAS JUST NORTH OF HERE.

OKAY. OR MEANING NORTH OF CITY HALL JUST AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT THAT STUDY. I KNOW WE HAVE A PROPOSAL FOR IT. I THINK WE WERE WAITING FOR A BUDGET ADJUSTMENT FOR THE MIDTOWN. BUT IF YOU WANT US TO LOOK, WE YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH A PROPOSAL WOULD BE FOR SANO AND WHERE THE FUNDING WOULD COME FROM, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK INTO. SO WE'RE ALREADY ON MIDTOWN. DO YOU GUYS WANT TO? IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE WE NEED A DISCUSSION ITEM ON IT THEN. NO, I THINK WE DO. I THINK THE DISCUSSION ITEM WILL BE WARRANTED BECAUSE LOOKING AT THE BECAUSE I WAS LOOKING AT THE FUTURE LAND USE AND TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENT ACTIVITY BITS. I MEAN, SO IT'S A LOT OF I THINK NOT ONLY IS IT WARRANTED AND WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW, BUT HOW MANY DIFFERENT TERMINOLOGIES OF DESIGNATIONS DO WE HAVE AND WHICH ONES ARE GOING TO BE THE HIGHER PRIORITY? YOU KNOW, SO LIKE, WHAT TOOLS DO WE HAVE TYPE OF THING? DO WE HAVE TO? BECAUSE I MENTIONED ONE TONIGHT, RIGHT? I MENTIONED THE WICKHAM ROAD BUSINESS DISTRICT AND ALL THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE HERE. WELL, I THINK THERE'S AN INTERESTING THROUGH LINE HERE, JENNY, FOR, FOR THAT PARTICULAR ONE ON FOR MIDTOWN. I DON'T

[03:20:02]

I THINK WE NEED A BUDGET ADJUSTMENT. I THINK THE DOLLAR VALUE MIGHT BE IN MY, MY ARENA, BUT THE WITH THE BUDGET ADJUSTMENT, THAT WOULD REQUIRE COUNCIL ACTION. SO I, I'M, I'M SAYING THAT I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THE MONEY WAS COMING FROM. SO IT DEPENDS ON IF IT NEEDS A BUDGET ADJUSTMENT TO MAKE A BUNCH OF ITEMS. SO. COUNCILMAN SMITH, THE IDEA WAS IF DURING THE BUDGET ADJUSTMENT DISCUSSION, IF THEY BROUGHT SOME OF THESE DIFFERENT TOOLS THAT WE HAVE AS PART OF THE BIGGER DISCUSSION, THAT WAY IT'S ALL COMBINED INTO ONE INSTEAD OF BRINGING UP ANOTHER. AND I AGREE WITH THAT BECAUSE IF I'M REMIND ME IF I'M CORRECT, WHEN WE GET THE THE WAS THAT RELATED TO LENNAR PROPERTY? WHAT WAS IT WAS WORKED ON FOR LENNAR PROPERTIES CALLED. THAT WAS A SEED. THAT WAS THAT WAS THEIR DEVELOPMENT. THAT WAS THEIR WHAT IS THAT, A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. AND THAT WAS VERY IS DIFFERENT THAN THE CBOS THAT THE ZONING OVERLAY DISTRICT THAT WE DID, I THINK FOR WHERE FLAMINGO PRINTING USED TO BE IN THAT AREA THAT THEY JUST CAME IN. THAT'S WHAT PROMPTED US TO LOOK AT THAT OTHER AREA, TO LOOK AT THE MIDTOWN AREA, BECAUSE WE'RE REALIZING THAT SOME OF THESE REDEVELOPED SITES ARE HAVING TROUBLE WITH THE CURRENT REGULATIONS, AND WE NEED TO CREATE, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT OUR CODES FOR THAT AREA. NO. WELL, MAY MAYFAIR WAS A SEED. THE OTHER ONE WAS A CBOZ. WAS IT? WOW. I SOUND LIKE A SCHOOL DISTRICT IN MY. MY RECOLLECTION IS SOME OF SOME OF THAT DISCUSSION OF THE C, BOZ AND LIKE THE MIDTOWN ACTIVITY CENTER THAT IN THE COMP PLAN CAME ALSO FROM THE CONDITIONAL USE DISCUSSION FOR THE CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS PUMPS ON ON BABCOCK. AND THERE WERE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT IS THE MIDTOWN ACTIVITY CENTER? WHAT ARE ITS BOUNDARIES? WHAT IS WHAT DOES IT MEAN? AND THERE WAS SORT OF A DISCUSSION OF THAT MIDTOWN ACTIVITY CENTER. AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LANGUAGE MAY NOT ALL BE ADDRESSED OR MATERIALIZED IN THE ZONING CODE ITSELF. RIGHT.

AND THAT WAS PART OF THAT DISCUSSION ON THE STUDY, WAS, DO WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE ALLOWANCES AND THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THE MIDTOWN ACTIVITY CENTER LANGUAGE? ARE THERE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO REVISE IN THE CODE TO EITHER MODIFY BOTH OR TO EFFECTUATE AND, AND, AND SEE THROUGH SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT ARE CONTEMPLATED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LANGUAGE. ONE POINT I WAS GOING TO MAKE ABOUT THE CBD IS THAT IT WAS IT WAS GOING TO BE SELF-SUFFICIENT, RIGHT? IT WAS THEY HAD A, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ITS OWN SEPARATE, SPECIAL DEPENDENT DISTRICT, RIGHT? LIKE IT'S, IT'S, IT'S FUNCTIONALLY A SUPER HOA AND THE FUNDING IS COMING FROM, WELL, THEY GET, THEY GET ASSESSED AND BONDED FROM THE LOTS. RIGHT? SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE SELF-SUSTAINED THROUGH, YOU KNOW, IT'S AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S VERY MUCH LIKE AN HOA. WE DON'T PAY FOR CBD. NO, I KNOW, I KNOW THE BUSINESS, THE ENTITY IS LOOKING AT ITSELF AND IT'S PUTTING THINGS IN PLACE. SO, SO WHATEVER THAT WHATEVER THAT MODEL IS, IS REALLY THE POINT THAT I'M KIND OF MAKING. SO I THINK THE DISCUSSION IS WARRANTED. BACK TO THE BIGGER PICTURE. BECAUSE IF, IF WHATEVER THAT IS USING TO BE FUNDING FOR, WHICH IS SIMILAR TO WHAT A CRA IS DOING WITH TIF FUNDING, RIGHT? FUNDING ITSELF, I WOULD SAY THEY'RE DIFFERENT. THEY'RE DIFFERENT MODELS, RIGHT? THE CRA IS A CAPTURE OF INCREASED PROPERTY TAXES OVER TIME. A CBD IS TRULY MUCH LIKE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN AN HOA

[03:25:02]

THE THAT'S THAT'S ITS OWN COTTAGE INDUSTRY. I THINK IT'S POSSIBLE THAT COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH IS TALKING ABOUT IS TRULY LIKE A SPECIAL TAXING DISTRICT, WHICH WHICH AGAIN, WOULD BE A LENGTHY PROCESS TO REVIEW. AND AGAIN, RIGHT. YOU'D BE TALKING EFFECTIVELY ABOUT TAX TAX INCREASES WITH WITHIN THAT ZONE TO TRY AND GENERATE REVENUE WITH WITHIN, WITHIN THAT ZONE.

OKAY. YEAH. AGAIN, RIGHT. THE, THE CBD IS, IS TRYING TO PERFORM A FUNCTION OF LIKE MAINTENANCE AND, AND, YOU KNOW, OPERATING AMENITIES AND THINGS THAT YOU WOULD GENERALLY SEE IN A RESIDENTIAL OR MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT LIKE VIERA, LIKE MAYFAIR IS INTENDING LIKE THE PINES IS IN IS INTENDING. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT SAME MODEL IS GOING TO WORK EXACTLY THE SAME WAY IN A EXISTING BUSINESS DISTRICT. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN NOW I WANT TO TALK TO MR. SMITH.

BUT SERIOUSLY THOUGH, SINCE SUNSHINE, WHAT HAVE YOU, I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT SOMETHING THAT I WAS INSPIRED BY THE EGAD PRESENTATION I KNOW YOU HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH, LIKE WE VENTURE, AND YOU'VE HAD THEM COME UP FROM A TIME OR TWO. I THINK THAT IT LOOKS LIKE THAT THEY HELP. THEY HAVE THESE PROGRAMS TO HELP. WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE TO START A BUSINESS TYPE OF THING? WHAT DOES THE BUSINESS PLAN LOOK LIKE? I'M VERY INTERESTED, ESPECIALLY WITH OUR DISCUSSIONS ON THESE GRANTS, THESE DIFFERENT INCENTIVE PROGRAMS. WHAT DOES IT FROM? HEY, I HAVE AN IDEA TO I WANT TO BUILD A RESTAURANT TO I'M MAINTAINING THIS BUSINESS THAT I BUILT IN MY COMMUNITY. WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE FROM START TO FINISH IN ORDER TO HAVE A BUSINESS IN MELBOURNE? DO YOU KNOW IF YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO HAVE. WE VENTURE. REACH OUT TO US IF THEY HAVE A PROGRAM OR PLATFORM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT TELLS US WHAT THEY KNOW ABOUT IT. AND SO THAT I COULD GO TO STAFF AND JUST BE LIKE, HEY, WHAT ARE THE CERTAIN THINGS WE CAN GO THERE? YEAH, THAT'D BE COOL. THANK YOU. YEP, YEP. COUNCILMEMBER. HEY.

OKAY. SO I TOO WENT TO THAT EVENT. IT'S THE, THE NVH 11TH ANNUAL VETERANS LAST AMERICA DINNER. IT WAS A GREAT EVENT TO GO TO. RAISED A WHOLE BUNCH OF MONEY TOWARDS IT, WHICH WAS PHENOMENAL. BUT ESPECIALLY MOVING THE TO WATCH THE, THE TABLE AND THE YEAH, THE TABLE FOR THE MISSING SOLDIERS AND THE CEREMONY THAT WENT WITH IT. LIKE THERE WAS A LOT OF PEOPLE DABBING THEIR EYES AT THAT. BUT YEAH, SO IT WAS A GREAT, GREAT EVENT TO GO TO AND FOR A GREAT CAUSE. AND THAT IS ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW IF KEVIN GOT IT FROM THE CODE ENFORCEMENT. DID YOU GET THE PICTURE FROM CODE ENFORCEMENT ENGINEERING? THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO SEND THE PICTURE. OKAY. IN MAYFAIR. WHAT? I'M WHAT IT WAS. WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS THEY MOON SCAPED IT. YEAH, IT'S JUST LOOKS. WE NEED TO COME BACK. IT LOOKS SO BAD THAT THERE'S NOT A TREE ON THAT PROPERTY AT ALL. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN DOWN THERE. IT LOOKS EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY. I DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD BECAUSE THEY'VE JUST THEY TOOK EVERYTHING DOWN. THERE IS NOT A TREE IN THERE AT ALL. MAYFAIR THAT IS THE CORNER OF BASICALLY FLORIDA. YEAH. FLORIDA AVE AND BABCOCK STREET. IS THAT THE PIRATE LANE? NO, IT'S IT'S PIRATE LANE BETWEEN PIRATE AND FLORIDA. LET'S GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT BECAUSE THAT. CAN WE GO BACK AND GET CONSENSUS TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE REGULATIONS SO WE DON'T HAVE THIS MOON SCAPING. I KNOW THAT WE SAY, OH, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE BUILDING, BUT WE'RE GOING TO BE BUILDING IN MY DISTRICT BECAUSE I'VE GOT I'M THE LAND QUEEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 95. AND LET'S JUST STOP THIS WHOLE THING BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE ALL THE NUTRIENTS OUT OF THERE. THAT SAND'S GOING TO BE BLOWING ALL OVER EVERYWHERE ARE YOU DON'T

[03:30:01]

I THINK I THINK BEYOND, I THINK BEYOND JUST THE TREE REMOVAL FEE AND REVENUE, THEY'RE PROBABLY CONTINUING CONCERNS WITH EROSION CONTROL AND EROSION MANAGEMENT ON THE SITE.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT ENGINEERING AND AND STAFF WILL CONTINUE TO BE LOOK AT WITH THAT PROPERTY. SO WHY ARE WE DID NOT GET THE PHOTOS FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING. WE DID HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY ENGINEER. WE ARE WE WE WILL EXPLORE THE OPPORTUNITY TO EITHER SITE THEM OR GIVE THEM THE GIVE THE DEVELOPER AN AN OPPORTUNITY TO PLACE SOME EROSION CONTROL DOWN AND GIVE THEM AN AMPLE TIME TO CURE THE SITE AND THEN. OTHERWISE IT WILL. THE OR THE SITE WILL GO INTO CODE ENFORCEMENT ACTION. AND I DO THINK MAYFAIR MIGHT HAVE BEEN JUST RIGHT BEFORE THE THE NEW TREE GUIDELINES. I ALSO THINK THAT. BUT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING OR I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IN THAT, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO BE DOING THIS CLEAR CUTTING IF WE DON'T HAVE PLANS FOR THEM. AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT OUR REGULATIONS IF THEY HAVE. I DON'T HAVE OBJECTIONS FOR THAT SECTION. WHAT THEY DID, I THINK THEY HAD PLANS FOR THE THE EASTERN SECTION, BUT NOT THE WESTERN SECTION. AND THE WESTERN SECTION IS WHERE IT JUST LOOKS LIKE, AS SOMEBODY CALLED IT, MOON SCAPING. SO THAT BEFORE YOU NEVER HEARD THAT ONE BEFORE. OKAY, THAT'S MOONSCAPE, I GET IT. YEAH. NOW. SO BUT I DON'T THINK THEY WERE IN THAT IN FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THEY WERE NOT INTO THAT TO BEGIN WITH. SO THEY'RE USING THE EASTERN SIDE. THE WESTERN SIDE IS USING THE EASTERN SIDES PERMITS. THAT'S CORRECT. YES. THAT THEY. OH YES, THEY ARE TRYING. THEY GOT THAT CLEARED AS PART. THEY MADE THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, I BELIEVE, CLEAR THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY AS PART OF WHATEVER ARRANGEMENT BETWEEN THE. THE SALE OF THE PROPERTY. YEAH. THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE TO IT. SO. OKAY. IS THAT IT? YEAH. OKAY. WELL I TOO WAS SUPPOSED TO GO TO THE HOMELESS VETERANS, BUT MY HUSBAND GOT VERY SICK. SO WE STAYED HOME SO AS NOT TO GET EVERYBODY ELSE SICK. YOU'RE A GOOD WIFE. YEAH, WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE FIRST WEEK OF SCHOOL, SO I NEEDED TO NOT BE SICK. BUT IT IS AN AMAZING EVENT. I GO MOST YEARS AND IT IS FOR A VERY GOOD CAUSE. SO MAYBE I'LL FIND A VETERANS CAUSE IN THE CITY OF MELBOURNE FOR MY WHAT DID YOU CALL IT? LAST BILL? OH YEAH. GOING AWAY, BILL. GOING AWAY. BILL. I THINK I'M GOING TO FIND SOMETHING WITH THE VETERANS COALITION FOR THAT. COOL. FOR YOU. YEP, YEP. YES. I HAVE SOMETHING ABOUT WHAT WE WERE ASKED ABOUT THE PURPLE HEART THAT IT IS US 192 RUNNING FROM THE COUNTY LINE EAST TO SOUTH A, ONE A AND THAT WAS FROM MY FACT DATA PERSON THERE, OUR ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER, REBECCA, GAVE ME THAT. THAT WAS WHAT BROUGHT THAT. WHAT BROUGHT THAT ON YOU? YOU ASKED SOMEONE ASKED WHEN WAS THAT DESIGNATED AND WHY? OH, I HAVE NO IDEA. I JUST WANTED TO. AT LEAST THERE WAS SOME QUESTION OF WHICH ROAD IT WAS. THAT'S YOUR DATA MINING RIGHT THERE. OKAY. BECAUSE SOMEBODY HAS TO BE ON THE ROAD. YEAH. IT'S A SCHOOL NIGHT TO. YEAH. SO DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THAT THEY'D LIKE TO ADD? SAY

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