[1. Pledge of Allegiance] [00:00:11] SEPTEMBER 9TH, 2026, SPECIAL BUDGET HEARING. START OFF WITH THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEASE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. [2. Roll Call] MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER TWO. ROLL CALL PLEASE. COUNCILMEMBER BASSETT, COUNCILMEMBER HANLEY. COUNCILMEMBER SMITH. COUNCILMEMBER LARUSSO. COUNCILMEMBER NEWMAN. VICE [3. Review and Discussion of the FY 2027 Proposed Budget (public hearing on the proposed budget and millage rate will follow introduction by staff and review by City Council).] MAYOR KENNEDY, MAYOR ALFREY. AND I AM HERE. MOVING ON. ITEM THREE, WHICH IS REVIEW AND DISCUSSION. THE FY 2027 PROPOSED BUDGET AND REPORT ON THIS TO ROSS MCGINN. GOOD TO SEE YOU BACK FULL TIME. OH OH GOOD MEETING. I'M SORRY. GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL. IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE BACK HERE. WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING ON GOING THROUGH YOUR 2027 BUDGET HEARING WITH SOME OF THE INPUT THAT WE RECEIVED FROM YOUR WORKSHOP BACK ON JULY 29TH. JUST AS A QUICK REMINDER, OUR FIRST SLIDE HERE IS LOOKING OVER THE ENTIRETY OF THE CITY'S BUDGET. THIS IS WHAT WILL BE ONE OF YOUR, EXCUSE ME, CAN THEN PUT IT ON THERE. YEAH. IT'S COMING. OH. YAY. THANK YOU KEVIN. ALL RIGHT. PART TWO. SO LOOKING AT OUR 2027 BUDGET AS STAFF PROPOSED BACK ON THE 29TH, IT'S CUSTOMARY TO NOTE AT THIS POINT THAT WE GENERALLY WILL INCLUDE THE MELBOURNE AVIATION AUTHORITY'S BUDGET FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2027, AS THEY'VE GONE THROUGH THEIR PROCESS AND HAVE SUBMITTED THAT TO THE CITY FOR THEIR REVIEW. YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE ON THE SECOND COLUMN, THE ADDITION OF THAT $51,699,298 WHEN WE TALKED WITH YOU LAST AT THE JULY 29TH WORKSHOP, THERE WAS A CONSIDERATION OF A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT SCENARIOS THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH REAL QUICK. WHEN STAFF WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSING THIS BUDGET TO YOU, IT WAS AT THE ROLLED BACK RATE OF 6.8781. THAT IS WHAT WAS ON THE SLIDE PREVIOUSLY. THAT IS WHAT WHAT STAFF HAD RECOMMENDED. WE ALSO PROVIDED TO YOU WHAT AN ALTERNATIVE OPTION WOULD BE, WHICH WOULD BE TO GENERATE AN ADDITIONAL $500,000 IN REVENUE TO THE GENERAL FUND, OR ROUGHLY THEREABOUT. THAT WAS AT A MILLAGE RATE OF 6.9473, WHICH COUNCIL TENTATIVELY ADOPTED AND WAS SENT OUT ON THE TRIM NOTICES FOR THE PUBLIC FOR THEIR CONSUMPTION. THAT WINDS UP BEING 1.01% HIGHER THAN THE PREVIOUS TAX RATE, ACCORDING TO TRIM LAW. THAT IS A TAX INCREASE OF THAT 1.01%. SO WHAT THAT DID WAS IT PROVIDED AN ADDITIONAL $500,000 OR ROUGHLY THEREABOUT, WHICH IF COUNCIL SO CHOOSES TO CONTINUE WITH THAT 6.9473, WOULD CHANGE THAT FIRST SLIDE TO REFLECT THAT ADDITIONAL MONEY. THAT'S BOTH COMING INTO THE GENERAL FUND FLOWING THROUGH TO YOUR TWO CRAS TO TO PROVIDE THE TAX INCREMENT FINANCING THAT GETS CAPTURED AT THAT POINT, AS WELL AS YOUR TWO PROPERTY TAX FUNDED PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PROGRAM FUND AND YOUR MACHINERY AND EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT FUND. SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING THERE IS WHAT THE NET EFFECT COULD BE IF WE WERE TO GO WITH THAT HIGHER MILLAGE RATE AT TONIGHT'S MEETING, WHEN WE HAD LAST SPOKE, THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION AND SUBSEQUENT DISCUSSION AT SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL MEETINGS THAT OCCURRED DURING AUGUST, AND WE WANTED TO TRY AND GIVE YOU AN OPTION TO REVIEW WHAT SOME OF WHAT COUNCIL'S DISCUSSIONS WERE TO HELP PROMPT SOME OF THAT. WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS EFFECTIVELY WHAT'S ON THE TABLE FOR TONIGHT, BARRING SOME GREATER DISCUSSION ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHER ASPECTS OF THE BUDGET THAT WE DID NOT GO INTO FURTHER DETAIL ON, ON THE LEFT THERE YOU CAN SEE THAT REALLY OUR ONLY MECHANISM THAT WE CAN WORK WITH AT THIS MOMENT IS PROPERTY TAX. SO THAT'S THE HIGHER 6.9473 RATE THAT COUNCIL TENTATIVELY ADOPTED. THE TRANSFERS TO THE CRA ON THE EXPENDITURE SIDE REPRESENTS THAT FLOW THROUGH. WE MENTIONED FOR THE TAX INCREMENT FINANCING. THE FIRST TWO ITEMS THERE YOU SEE ARE HEALTH CARE, RETIREE HEALTH INSURANCE AND FUEL COSTS. THESE ARE TWO ESTIMATES THAT WE DID NOT INCLUDE IN OUR INITIAL ESTIMATES, BUT WE DO BELIEVE WILL PROBABLY BE NECESSARY. LOOKING AT THE TRENDING THAT WE NOW HAVE GOING INTO THIS MEETING, YOU CAN SEE THAT PRETTY MUCH TOOK A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF WHAT WE THOUGHT WE WOULD WOULD GENERATE WITH THAT ADDITIONAL PROPERTY TAX. WE ALSO WANTED TO REFLECT THE DISCUSSION THAT COUNCIL HAD AT THE 29TH REGARDING COUNCIL SALARIES, THE HOMELESS AND HOMELESS GRANT AND AID IN ORDER TO FUND SUMMER CAMPS. SO THAT'S REFLECTED THERE AS WELL. AND AS BEST I WAS ABLE TO TELL FROM FROM FAR, FAR AWAY, THE ADDITIONAL FUNDING THAT WAS [00:05:04] FREED UP THROUGH THE CANCELLATION OF THE FLOCK CAMERA CONTRACT. WE THREW IN A FEW OF THE OTHER ITEMS THAT COUNCIL WAS DISCUSSING AND DEBATING THERE, ULTIMATELY LEAVING A CONTINGENCY OF 46,629. SO THIS WAS A JUMPING OFF POINT WE THOUGHT MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR COUNCIL IN THEIR CONSIDERATIONS AND DELIBERATIONS, JUST AS A SENSE OF, YOU KNOW, THESE WERE SOME OF THE THINGS WE WERE HEARING. THESE ARE NOT NECESSARILY SET IN STONE. IT'S FOR YOUR PURVIEW AND INPUT. AND THE ONE THING LAST THING I WANTED TO NOTE ON THIS SLIDE IS YOU'LL NOTICE THE LOBBYIST FEES OF ONLY 10,000. WE'VE PREVIOUSLY REPORTED THAT AS 60,000. HOWEVER, WE DO BELIEVE THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY THERE TO SPREAD THAT TO OUR STORMWATER AND WATER AND SEWER FUNDS BASED OFF OF THE TYPE OF GRANTING AVAILABLE TO US FROM THE STATE LEGISLATURE AND THE FORTHCOMING YEAR. SO WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOUR DISCUSSION, UNLESS MISS LAMB WOULD LIKE TO JUMP IN BEFORE, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THESE EXPENDITURE SIDE WERE THAT THAT'S A SPREADSHEET VERSION OF SOME OF THE INFORMATION I SENT YOU IN THE MEMO FORMAT. AND AND LIKE MR. MCGINN SAID, WE DID LOOK AT HOW WHAT OTHER FUNDS WE COULD USE FOR THE LOBBYIST FEES. AND WE LOOKED AT DOWNGRADING OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL AND OUR CHAMBER, CHAMBER OF COMMERCE MEMBERSHIPS WHILE STILL MAINTAINING LIKE A BOARD OF DIRECTOR POSITION, BUT, BUT ALSO REDUCING OUR COSTS. IF YOU ADD THOSE TWO TOGETHER, THAT'S AN 80. IT'S AN $8,500 DEDUCTION. AND WHAT HAD ORIGINALLY. WELL, WE ORIGINALLY PROPOSED ZERO, BUT FROM WHAT WE PAID THIS YEAR. OKAY. SO WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THERE'S STILL A LOT UP IN THE AIR WITH PROBABLY MORE THE PARTICULARS OF HOW ANY INCREASED FUNDING MIGHT BE AVAILABLE. BUT WE DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT COUNCIL UNDERSTANDS THAT EVEN TONIGHT, TO DO EVEN THIS WOULD REQUIRE A SUPERMAJORITY VOTE OF FIVE TO GO ABOVE THE ROLLBACK RATE TO DO ANY ADDITIONAL FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES THROUGH PROPERTY TAX. THAT 1% THAT WE PUT OUT ON TRIM FORMS. SO JUST AS A REMINDER, IF WE GET TOO FAR IN AND WANT TO GO DOWN THIS ROUTE THAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE FIVE VOICES WILLING TO INCREASE THE MILLAGE RATE TO THAT AMOUNT. AND ALSO THIS ITEM THREE IS FOR DISCUSSION. I KNOW THERE IS PUBLIC COMMENT UNDER THIS. I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ANY SIGN IN SHEETS UNDER THIS. SO WE'LL TURN IT OVER FOR YOU FOR DISCUSSION. OKAY. AND BEFORE WE START, YOU SAID THERE ARE NO SIGN UP SHEETS. ANYBODY WANT TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER THREE? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THEN I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION AND THEN WE'LL THE COUNCIL WILL START A DISCUSSION. GO AHEAD, MR. NEWMAN. AND JUST I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M WORKING WITH THE NUMBERS. RIGHT. I'M LOOKING AT THERE'S THIS SPREADSHEET THAT WE HAD GOTTEN IN OUR BUDGET REVIEW, THE LOBBYIST FEES IN THIS PARTICULAR THING SAYS $60,000 ON THE SPREADSHEET. BUT ON THE SCREEN FOR ME SAYS TEN. I MAY HAVE MISHEARD YOU WHEN YOU WERE DISCUSSING. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND. SO WE THAT. SO AFTER SPEAKING TO MR. CRISAFULLI ABOUT WHAT WHAT. WE SHOULD PROBABLY BE MAKING OUR APPROPRIATION REQUEST FOR AND WHAT HIS NORMAL ROUTINE ACTION IS ON OUR. FOR HIS LOBBYING EFFORTS, WE DECIDED THAT WE PROBABLY COULD SPEND ABOUT HALF OF THAT FUNDING FROM OUR UTILITIES FUND. AND THEN THEN SO THAT'S $30,000. WE THINK ABOUT 20,000 COULD COME FROM STORMWATER UTILITY RELATED TO STORMWATER WATER QUALITY AND LAGOON IMPROVEMENTS, DRAINAGE, THOSE TYPE THINGS. AND THEN THE REMAINING TEN COMING FROM GENERAL FUND. SO THAT'S HOW WE GOT THAT DOLLAR VALUE DOWN. OKAY, SO WE'RE ONLY TEN UNDER AS OPPOSED TO WHEN WE WERE BEFORE. THAT'S 10,000 OF GENERAL FUND. BUT THE TOTAL AND THE REST IS FUNDED. YEAH. WHAT'S PROPOSED. PERFECT. THANK YOU. NOW BALLPARK NOT HOLDING YOU TO A NUMBER FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. REGARDING ON THE LOBBYIST, WHAT KIND OF FUNDING HAVE WE RECEIVED FROM TALLAHASSEE? AND I'M FAMILIAR, BUT I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT OUT IN THE OPEN. SO IN THE OPEN THAT IN 2026, WE RECEIVED 300 000 FOR PINEAPPLE PIER RESTORATION AND 300 000 FOR FIRE STATION ALERTING SYSTEM. IN 2025, WE RECEIVED 1 MILLION FOR THE DOWNTOWN MELBOURNE STREETSCAPING PROJECT DESIGN AND 500 000 FOR THE FRONT STREET BOAT RAMP REPLACEMENT. SO I ONLY WENT BACK TWO YEARS. I'M SORRY, I JUST I FIGURED THAT WAS RELATED TO CRISAFULLI. YEP. THAT'S. YEAH. AND SO YOU'RE APPROXIMATELY ABOUT $2.1 MILLION ON THE FUNDING THAT WE RECEIVED ON DIFFERENT PROJECTS. SO AND I KNOW, I KNOW, MR. LARUSSO, YOU YOU KIND OF SPEARHEADED THAT A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, AND IT'S REALLY PAID OFF FOR THE CITY. SO I JUST WANT TO COMMEND YOU FOR FOR THAT. IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE DON'T LIKE TO SPEND THE MONEY. BUT WHEN YOU WHEN YOU'RE WHAT, 20 FOLD ON THAT MONEY [00:10:03] COMING BACK, THAT'S GREAT. GREAT. STOLE SOME VERY WISE COMMENTS BY PREVIOUS MAYOR TO ME. WAS HARRY GOOD? AND HE SAID, FOR EVERY DOLLAR YOU SPEND FOR A LOBBYIST, YOU'RE GOING TO GET TEN BACK. SO I THINK WE SURPASSED THAT RIGHT THERE. SO I APPRECIATE THE COUNCIL SUPPORT ON THE LOBBYISTS. YEAH, DEFINITELY. GOOD JOB. YEAH. SO ANY OTHER DISCUSSION COUNCIL? I HAVE A QUESTION IF ONLY PLEASE ON THE EGAD WE GAVE THEM THEY TWO YEARS AGO WE GAVE THEM 100 IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, WE GAVE THEM 100 000 LAST YEAR. AND THEY SAID TO US, IF YOU GIVE US THE 100 000 OVER THE NEXT COUPLE YEARS, WE WILL. YOU. WE WILL BE ASKING A REDUCED AMOUNT GOING FORWARD. IF WE GO BACK TO OUR ACCOUNT GOING BACK 2 OR 3 YEARS. SO LAST YEAR WE GAVE THEM 85,000. WHY ARE WE GIVING THEM THIS 80? I'M NOT DENYING THEM, GIVING THEM MONEY, NOT SAYING THAT. BUT WHEN THEY CAME TO COUNCIL, THEY, THEY SAID TO US, IF YOU GIVE US BECAUSE WE ORIGINALLY GAVE THEM 50 AND THEY CAME BACK AND SAID, WE NEED ANOTHER 50. AND THEY SAID, IF YOU GIVE US THIS UP FRONT, WE WILL WORK AND WE WILL REDUCE IT OVER THE YEARS, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. SO LAST YEAR WE GAVE THEM 85,000. WHY AREN'T WE REDUCING IT DOWN? OKAY. GOOD, GOOD. WHY DO YOU THINK WE SHOULDN'T GIVE IT TO HIM? I DIDN'T SAY THAT'S NOT WHAT I SAID. SO YOU'RE ASKING WHY? WHY 000 LAST YEAR? IT'S 85,000 THIS YEAR? YES. WELL, THEY LOST THE DIRECTOR, FOR ONE THING. SO THAT'S AN ENTICEMENT. TO TRY AND BRING IN SUPER TALENT IS A SALARY ADJUSTMENT. SO AND THE FACT THAT WE HAVE SO MUCH GOING ON, WE COLLECTIVELY AS A COUNCIL AND THE CITY, WE HAVE SO MUCH GOING ON IN DOWNTOWN EAU GALLIE WITH PARKING GARAGE AND WHICH WAS PASSED BY THE COUNTY COMMISSION. AND WE ALSO HAVE IT IN THE CRA FUNDING PUSHED OUT. AND WITH THE CRA SUNSETTING EVEN EARLIER. THAT I THINK IS I THINK IT BEHOOVES US TO FOLLOW THEIR RECOMMENDATION AT THIS MOMENT, CRITICAL. I MEAN, EVERYBODY WANTS MONEY. DON'T GET YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE THING EVERYBODY WANTS. LET ME FINISH. EVERYBODY WANTS MONEY. WE HAVE THE HOMELESS THAT WE'VE BEEN SPONSORING THEM OVER THE YEARS TO TAKE CARE OF THAT, TO HELP THEM. AND IT HAS GONE DOWN. OUR HOMELESS POPULATION, OUR HOMELESS SITUATION HAS GONE DOWN. SO WHAT ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT I THINK WE SHOULD REDUCE SOME OF IT FOR THEIR BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY CAME TO US. AND THAT'S WHY WHEN WE TWO YEARS AGO SAYING 100 000. AND THEY SAID THAT IF YOU GIVE US THAT MONEY, WE WILL REDUCE, YOU KNOW, OVER THE EVERY YEAR WE'LL REDUCE THE AMOUNT SO THAT WE BE SELF-SUFFICIENT. SO THEN, I MEAN, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO GIVE THEM THE, YOU KNOW, $100,000 TO THE HOMELESS GRANT IN AID. BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO REDUCE MAYBE 10,000, 15,000 FROM THEM. I'M SORRY THAT THEY'VE LOST THEIR DIRECTOR, BUT WE'VE ALL WE'VE WE'VE LOST OUR FINANCIAL DIRECTOR OVER THERE, SO WE HAVE MONEY IN THE BUDGET TO REPLACE HIM. BUT WHAT WE'RE STILL. THAT'S NOT THE THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING. WHAT I'M SAYING IS REDUCE IT AND GIVE IT MAYBE TEN 15,000 TO THE HOMELESS. OKAY, SO YOU HAVE A NUMBER, APPROXIMATE NUMBER. THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING. I SAID THE TEN 15,000 REDUCED TO FROM EAU GALLIE, MAIN STREET AND GO TO THE HOMELESS, THE HOMELESS COALITION BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO IF THEY DON'T HAVE SOME. WE'VE BEEN WE SAID THAT WE'RE WE BACK THEM AND THEN WE'RE JUST WALKING AWAY FROM THEM RIGHT NOW. MAYOR. YEAH. HOMELESS COALITION. I WOULD NOT FEEL SO BAD ABOUT NEGATING THE 100,000 IF I IF WE DIDN'T CUT THEM A CHECK FOR 3 MILLION. SO I THINK WE DID OUR DUTY. BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT. HOLD ON, HOLD ON, MA'AM, KEEP SPEAKING RIGHT NOW. IS THIS A FAMILY DINNER TABLE? OKAY, WE'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA STAY FOCUSED HERE, RIGHT? YEAH. OKAY. SO I WOULDN'T FEEL BAD ABOUT TAKING THE 100,000 OFF THE TABLE FOR THE HOMELESS GRANTS AND AID. BECAUSE OF THE $3 MILLION THAT WE CUT ON A CHECK ON THE PROVIDENCE PLACE. SO THAT'S MY REASONING BEHIND THAT. AND YOU WANTED TO SAVE SUMMER CAMPS. SO THAT GOES TO THE SUMMER CAMPS. AND I, I AM ABSOLUTELY HONORED TO SERVE WITH ALL OF YOU THAT YOU'VE REDUCED, THAT YOU'VE NOT TAKEN THE SALARY FOR NEXT YEAR AS WELL, TOO, AND PUT IT TOWARDS THE SUMMER CAMPS AS WELL. SO I GIVE YOU ALL KUDOS FOR THAT. BUT I'M NOT A FAN FOR THE 100,000 FOR THE HOMELESS GRANT BECAUSE OF THE VERY ISSUES THAT I JUST SPOKE ABOUT. OKAY. ALL [00:15:02] RIGHT. NOW, BUT GOING BACK TO O'GALLEY, I'VE HAD CONVERSATION WITH THE WITH THE BOARD AND THERE IS ROOM FOR MOVEMENT, BUT THERE'S ONLY ROOM FOR MOVEMENT FOR ABOUT 5000, REMEMBERING THAT 65000 AND UNDER THEY, THEY LOSE THEIR MAIN STREET DESIGNATION. SO THAT WOULD BE CRITICALLY BAD. I MEAN, THERE WOULDN'T EVEN BE. I ASK ANNA TO COME UP MAY I. MAYOR. ABSOLUTELY. THE CEO OF THE BOARD. SO THIS THIS IS A NUMBERS HEAVY MEETING. AND SO I APOLOGIZE COMING AT THIS WITH MORE NUMBERS, BUT I WANT TO FIRST ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, WE ALL KNOW I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF HISTORY IN HOW WE GOT ENDED UP GROUPED IN THIS FUNDING REQUEST, RIGHT? WE ALL UNDERSTAND HOW THE CRA PROCESS WORKED HISTORICALLY. AND THE CITY OF MELBOURNE HAS ABSOLUTELY MAINTAINED ITS COMMITMENT TO EGAT. SO WE APPRECIATE THAT. AND I THOUGHT THE NUMBER MIGHT COME UP TONIGHT, THE 85,000. AND SO I WANTED TO TALK THROUGH. IS IT REASONABLE? WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE? BUT DID YOU NOT ASK. HEY MA'AM. HOLD ON, LET ME FINISH. HOLD ON. DID YOU NOT SAY THAT YOU WOULD REDUCE OVER THE YEARS? HOLD ON, MISS HANLEY, MAY I? MA'AM, ARE YOU. ARE YOU OKAY? YOU'RE SPEAKING RIGHT NOW, ARE YOU? ARE YOU SPEAKING OR DO YOU WANT TO? I DON'T KNOW, CAN I RESPOND, PLEASE? YEAH. OKAY. BECAUSE YOU WERE SPEAKING. ALL RIGHT. SORRY. SO HISTORICALLY, EGAT DID RECEIVE THE $55,000 ANNUALLY. THAT WAS ACTUALLY FROM THE INCEPTION, RIGHT FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, I THINK IT WAS 2010 THAT STARTED. THEY CONTINUED TO RECEIVE 55,000 EVERY YEAR THROUGH 2019. NOW I WANT TO TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT MEASURABLE RETURN ON INVESTMENT. AND I THINK THAT'S COME UP ALREADY TONIGHT, THERE'S WAYS TO MEASURE THAT NEJAD BECAUSE OF THE CRA. AND WHILE WE ARE NOT CRA FUNDED, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE FINANCIAL MEASUREMENTS THAT ARE DOCUMENTED BY THE CITY THAT SHOW THE GAIN IN THE BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT IN AND REALLY THE GAIN IN THE TAXABLE VALUES WITHIN EGAT. SO YES, IN 2015, EGAD, THE TIFF REVENUE WAS $219,000. OKAY. AND BY 2019 IT HAD GROWN TO $450,000. AND TODAY IT'S 1.16. YOU HAVE TO CHECK ME ON THE NUMBERS. OKAY. FOR FISCAL YEAR 2027, IT'S PROJECTED TO BE 1.3 MILLION. OKAY. THAT'S A 500% INCREASE JUST SINCE 2025. I'M NOT GOING ALL THE WAY BACK BECAUSE THAT'S MORE THAN TEN YEARS. SO IS THIS REALLY REASONABLE IN 2015? OKAY, THAT LET'S SEE, 219,000, I GOT $55,000, 25% OF WHAT THE CRA WAS PRODUCING IN THE TIFF WENT TO. EGAD. NOW, I DON'T THINK THAT IT NEEDS TO INCREMENTALLY GO UP. THAT'S NOT THE SPIRIT OF THE CRA. HOWEVER, IF WE LOOK AT WHAT WE'VE ASKED OVER THE YEARS, BY 2019, THAT REPRESENTED 12.2% OF THE CRA TIFF. AND TODAY, EVEN THOUGH THE DOLLAR VALUE, YES, IT'S GONE UP, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO NOT REALLY FOCUS ON THE DOLLAR VALUE, BECAUSE IT REPRESENTS 6.6% OF THE PROJECTED TIP OF THE $1.3 MILLION PROJECTED TIFF. NOW, I KNOW THAT'S NOT OUR FUNDING. I WANT TO REITERATE THAT AGAIN, BUT OUR REQUEST IS INCREASED IN DOLLARS. BUT IT'S DECREASED DRAMATICALLY RELATIVE TO THE ECONOMIC BASE OF THE DISTRICT. SORRY. SO ONE MORE THING. IF WE'RE GOING TO BENCHMARK THAT REALLY I LOOKED AT OTHER DOWNTOWN'S I LOOKED AT OTHER MAIN STREETS. OUR CLOSEST ONE IS DOWNTOWN MELBOURNE. THERE. ALLOCATION FROM THEIR CRA IS $156,000 THIS YEAR. OKAY, ON A $2.39 MILLION TIFF, WHICH IS 6.6%, IT'S THE EXACT SAME. I DID NOT MANIPULATE THOSE NUMBERS. THAT'S NOT HOW WE CAME UP WITH THE 85,000, BECAUSE THAT WAS OUR BUDGET. BUT WHEN I LOOKED AT IT, I WAS WE'RE NOT OUT OF THE BALLPARK FOR WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING. AND I KNOW IT'S A TOUGH FUNDING YEAR, BUT I WANTED TO JUST ADD THAT LITTLE PIECE OF INFORMATION. AS YOU MAKE YOUR CONSIDERATION FOR THE DOLLAR AMOUNT. IT'S JUST HARD. IT'S JUST HARD FOR ME. HERE WE ARE. WE'RE GIVING UP OUR SALARIES. I MEAN, WE WORK AND WE'RE GOING TO GET THE SAME MONEY THAT WE GOT 20 YEARS AGO. NO. YES WE ARE. WE'RE GETTING THE SAME MONEY. NO, IT'S NOT THE SAME. HOLD ON, HOLD ON. LET. OKAY, THAT'S MY FAULT. YES. OF COURSE. OKAY. SO EVERYBODY'S HAD TO TAKE A HIT AND YOU'RE ASKING NOT TO TAKE THE HIT. WE'RE ASKING TO CONSIDER. WE HAVE NOT ACCELERATED OUR FUNDING IN ANY WAY, OUR FUNDING REQUEST. AND WE HAVE INCREASED COSTS THAT HAVE COME THROUGH JUST THE ECONOMY. WE'VE REDUCED ALL KINDS OF ITEMS TO GET TO [00:20:05] THE BUDGET. THAT NUMBER THAT WE HAVE, THAT INCLUDES ALL OF THE TRAVEL, ESSENTIALLY FOR THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, FOR TRAINING MECHANISMS, MEMBERSHIPS AND GENERAL COSTS. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ALL DOING UP HERE NOW. SO BUT IT'S JUST HARD FOR ME TO LOOK AT YOU, YOU KNOW? YES, WE'VE KEPT THE. SUMMER CAMPS AND THEY'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO GET RAISED. THE PRICE IS GETTING RAISED, BUT YOU'RE COMING IN AND SAYING, WELL, WE'RE WE'RE SPECIAL. WE DON'T YOU CAN'T TAKE IT AWAY FROM US BECAUSE WE'RE SPECIAL. WHY AREN'T YOU ANY BETTER? WHY WHY? AND I, I KNOW THE $3 MILLION, BUT THAT WAS OUT OF COVID MONEY. THAT WAS A DIFFERENT THAT WAS NOT A GENERAL FUND MONEY. THAT WAS COVID MONEY. SO I THINK WE'RE APPLES AND ORANGES THERE, BUT I'M SURE PROVIDENCE PLACE, EVEN IF IT IS 5 OR 10,000, WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT 5 OR 10,000, AND I'M SURE YOU WANT TO HAVE IT, BUT EVERYBODY'S TAKING A HIT BUT YOU AND EXPLAIN ME WHY YOU THINK THAT YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE IT WHEN EVERY OTHER. WE UP HERE ARE OUR CITY STAFF. I THINK THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN A LARGER RAISE. AND I REALLY THINK THAT SADLY ABOUT IT. WITH THE COST OF LIVINGS, WHEN YOU GO TO THE STORE. BUT YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE ASKING TO. WE DO NOT. WE ARE. WE ARE SPECIAL AND WE WANT OUR MONEY. PLEASE TELL ME WHY. I'M IN NO WAY SPECIAL AND I HAVE BEEN SINGLE HANDEDLY FOR FREE RUNNING THIS ORGANIZATION SINCE THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR LEFT, WHICH EQUATES TO MY THIRD JOB AS I RUN. I'M A COLLEGE PROFESSOR. I RUN MY OWN CONSULTANCY ON THE SIDE, AND I'VE BEEN RUNNING EGAT, SO I REALLY CAN'T GO WITH PERSONAL SACRIFICE ACCUSATIONS AT THE MOMENT. BUT AND I APOLOGIZE, I'M. IT'S BEEN A ROUGH WEEK, SO. WITH THAT, IT'S NOT YOU. IT'S YOUR ORGAN. IT IS NOT YOU. WELL, ALL RIGHT, EGAD, IT IS YOU. THE FUNDING ENVIRONMENT THAT WE ARE IN. AND I RECOGNIZE THAT IT'S DIFFICULT AND IT'S HARD FOR ME TO STAND UP HERE AND ASK FOR THIS AGAINST HOMELESS SERVICES. SO. SO YOU'RE ASKING FOR THE FULL 80 POSSIBLE. I'M I'M ASKING FOR YOU TO CONSIDER OUR FUNDING AGREEMENT IN THE FIRST PLACE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE STARTED LAST TIME. SO I MEAN, SO I THINK WE'RE WE SHOULD BE DONE HERE. SO YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ALL CAN DISCUSS AND VOTE ON. I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A PROPER BENCHMARK. THAT'S ALL. THAT'S NOT WHAT I SAID. I SAID REDUCE THE AMOUNT. YEAH. VICE MAYOR. GO AHEAD. I THINK O'GALLEY AND EGAD DO AN AMAZING JOB IN GIVING SERVICES TO OUR CITIZENS AND JUST LIKE OUR DOWNTOWN DOES AS WELL. AND I THINK THAT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. AND I THINK $85,000 IS APPROPRIATE. I LIKE I'M A NUMBERS PERSON. SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THOSE NUMBERS TO ME. I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED WITH ALL THIS FUEL COST AND THE RETIREE HEALTH INSURANCE GOING UP THAT MUCH MONEY. AND I, AND I KNOW I'VE SEEN EVERYTHING, AND I KNOW THAT'S PROBABLY 100% FACT. HOWEVER, IN LOOKING AT ALL THESE THINGS, BECAUSE I REALLY DON'T LIKE TAKING THAT MUCH MONEY AWAY FROM THE AMAZING THINGS THAT WE DO WITH THE HOMELESS GRANTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO CAN WE CUT COSTS SOMEWHERE, LIKE ANYWHERE ELSE IN ORDER TO GIVE SOME OF THAT? BUT THIS ALL IS MOOT IF WE DON'T VOTE TO INCREASE THE TAX REAL QUICK. CAN I LET ME PIGGYBACK OFF YOU, VICE MAYOR. NOW, IN REGARDS TO THE $200,000 IN FUEL COSTS, NOW, WHAT NUMBER IS THAT? WHAT IS THAT BASED OFF? WHAT NUMBER WHERE WE ARE TODAY, FUEL COST PRICES OR ANTICIPATED WHEN WE REVIEWED THE FUEL COSTS GOING IN FROM LAST YEAR TO THIS YEAR? IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THAT LINE ACTUALLY DECREASED. WAS THE EXPECTATION BASED OFF OF SOME OF THE FLEET'S PROJECTIONS OFF OF IT? OKAY. I DON'T THINK ANYONE WAS EXPECTING FOR THE PREVIOUS ROUGHLY SIX MONTHS TO BE AT THE ELEVATED FUEL PRICE ENVIRONMENT THAT WE'RE IN. THERE IS NO TELLING FOR HOW LONG THAT MAY OR MAY NOT CONTINUE, BUT JUST BASED OFF OF THE SIX MONTHS OF OF ACTIVITY THAT WE'VE SEEN, EVEN IF IT WERE TO GO, I BELIEVE IT WAS SIX MONTHS FURTHER INTO THIS COMING YEAR, THAT'S ROUGHLY THE IMPACT THAT WE WOULD SEE ABOVE AND BEYOND THE BUDGET THAT WE HAD PUT IN THERE ON THE JULY 29TH MEETING. OKAY. AND NOW, WOULD YOU ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THAT NUMBER, OR DO YOU THINK WE CAN NORMALLY, IF WE HAD AN OPERATING CONTINGENCY, WHICH WE DON'T IN THIS BUDGET, I WOULD SAY NO BIG DEAL. BUT REALISTICALLY, THIS IS THE TYPE OF SITUATION WHERE WE COULD IGNORE IT. AND THEN AT A QUARTERLY LATER ON, WE'LL HAVE TO CUT FUNDING FROM SOMEWHERE [00:25:02] ELSE TO KIND OF MAKE IT WHOLE. SO IT'S REALLY I DON'T WANT TO MISLEAD YOU DOWN A PATH WHERE WE'RE NOT PUTTING IN ROSY VALUATIONS OR CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATES ON, ON EXPENDITURES. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, VERY CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATES ON REVENUES SO THAT THINGS COME OUT VERY POSITIVE. AS WE'VE SEEN OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS, WE'VE LEGITIMATELY CUT INTO A LOT OF THOSE NUMBERS IN A WAY THAT I COULDN'T STAND HERE AND SAY, THE NEXT PERSON THAT STANDS BEFORE YOU IN THIS CAPACITY WON'T HAVE TO COME TO YOU ON THE THIRD QUARTER THIS COMING YEAR TO REDUCE YOUR BUDGET. IT ONLY TAKES 1 OR 2 VARIABLES THAT WE'RE FORECASTING AND THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT WE'VE MADE TO GO JUST A LITTLE OFF. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE SAW GOING FROM LAST MEETING TO THIS MEETING WAS THE STATE REVENUE SHARE DID RELEASE THEIR ESTIMATES, AND THEY WERE WITHIN A PERCENT OF WHAT WE HAD ESTIMATED, WHICH TELLS ME THAT USUALLY THE STATE IS A BIT OVERLY OPTIMISTIC ABOUT ECONOMIC NUMBERS. NO ONE WANTS TO PUT OUT A BAD ECONOMIC FORECAST. IF THE STATE IS LOWERING OUR NUMBERS, AND THEY'RE GENERALLY OPTIMISTIC PARTY IN THE BUNCH, THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY BODE WELL FOR WHAT NEXT YEAR MAY LOOK LIKE. CAN I ASK IF. GO AHEAD MA'AM. OKAY. WE WE HAVE THE RETIREES HEALTH INSURANCE JUST BECAUSE I'VE HAD IT DOING A BUDGET IN THE PAST AND IT DOUBLED. I MEAN, WHAT I PUT ON THERE, AND I HAD PUT A 30% IN THE IN THE INSURANCE DOUBLED. HOW ARE YOU LOOKING AT THAT? YOU KNOW, INSURANCE, INSURANCE ON OUR BUILDINGS AND EVERYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT. SO REAL QUICK, BECAUSE THE RETIREE HEALTH INSURANCE IS ACTUALLY RELATED TO AN ITEM YOU'LL BE CONSIDERING LATER ON AT TODAY'S REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING. BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT LIKE OUR INSURANCE FOR THE BUILDINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WE, WE DID HAVE SOME EARLY CONVERSATIONS BEFORE I LEFT WITH AND FORGIVE ME, I HAVE TWO DIFFERENT CITIES INFORMATION NOW IN MY HEAD AND I'M TRYING TO GO BACK TO WHICH FMET. WE DO BELIEVE WE HAVE SOME POSITIVE MOMENTUM THERE TO TRY AND WORK OUR WAY TO A MORE EQUITABLE ARRANGEMENT WITH INSURANCE OR FOR THE BUILDING, BUILDING, BUILDING. OKAY. HOWEVER, WE DON'T HAVE AN EXACT NUMBER OF WHAT THAT MAY LOOK LIKE JUST BY THE BASIS OF IT ALSO COVERS WATER, SEWER SYSTEM, BUILDINGS, STORMWATER FACILITIES. SO UNTIL WE ACTUALLY SEE WHAT THAT THAT CHANGE IN RISK PREMIUM LOOKS LIKE ACROSS THE BOARD AND NOT JUST WE'RE GENERAL FUND FOCUSED RIGHT NOW. SO I DON'T WANT TO CONFLATE THE OVERALL CITY'S RISK INSURANCE WITH JUST THE GENERAL FUND, BECAUSE IT MAY NOT BE THAT THE GENERAL FUND IS PAYING APPROPRIATELY. EVEN WE SAW THAT WITH OUR ASSET INVENTORY REVEALING THAT THE WATER SEWER SYSTEM WAS PAYING MORE THAN WHAT WAS PROBABLY WHAT WAS EQUITABLE, JUST BASED OFF THE VALUATIONS OF THE BUILDINGS AND LAND. SO I CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE ANYTHING OF A SAVINGS THERE. BUT WE DO HAVE SOME POSITIVE MOMENTUM IN THAT CATEGORY. WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT IS COST BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, I'VE DONE THE BUDGET FOR SOMEBODY ELSE AND I HAD PUT IN A 30% INCREASE. AND THEN I FIND OUT WHEN I GOT THE BILL, IT WAS 100% INCREASE. SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GET THAT BILL. AND LUCKILY I HAD ENOUGH SAVINGS IN THERE TO COVER IT. BUT THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO KNOW IS THE INSURANCE, BECAUSE THAT'S ALWAYS A BIG NUMBER. MISS LAMB, YOU HAD SOMETHING I JUST WANTED TO SORT OF EXPAND UPON WHAT MR. MCGINN SAID WITH THE RETIREE HEALTH INSURANCE AND THE FUEL COSTS, IF THE THE HIGHER MILLAGE RATE DOES NOT PASS TONIGHT AND MONEY ISN'T ALLOCATED TOWARDS THOSE. EXACTLY WHAT ROSS SAID. WE WILL HAVE TO BE COMING TO YOU EITHER IN THE THIRD QUARTER BUDGET OR IN THE FIRST QUARTER BUDGET, TAKING A HARD LOOK AT WHAT WE THINK THOSE FUEL COSTS, YOU KNOW, LIKE HOPEFULLY PRICES GO DOWN. BUT IF THEY DON'T, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE MONITORING THE FUEL COSTS THE WHOLE YEAR. AND SO WE WILL HAVE TO BE LOOKING AT POSSIBLE CUTS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE YEAR IN ORDER TO MAKE THOSE FUEL COSTS WORK, IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO COME IN THE BUDGET. AND WE MAY HAVE TO DO THAT REGARDLESS IF THE MILLAGE RATE PASSES, IF IT DOESN'T PASS AT THE HIGHER RATE AND WE'RE BACK AT ROLLBACK, WE'RE DEFINITELY GOING TO HAVE TO BE MONITORING AND COMING BACK TO COUNCIL AT THAT POINT. THE RETIREE HEALTH INSURANCE I THINK WAS WAS QUITE A SURPRISE FOR US. WE HAD NOT ACCOUNTED FOR THE INCREASE THAT WE SAW IN IN WHAT'S IN TONIGHT'S AGENDA. OKAY. LET ME ASK ONE OTHER QUESTION REAL QUICK. MR. NEWMAN ON THE RETIREE HEALTH INSURANCE. AND THEN I HAD ANOTHER THING I WAS GOING TO PROPOSE ON. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT ME TO WAIT ON THAT OR NOT, BUT I'LL DEFER TO YOU IN A MOMENT. BUT ON THE RETIREE HEALTH INSURANCE, I WANT TO ASK JENNY, YOU AND I JUST HAPPEN TO HAVE A TRIP TODAY. COINCIDENTALLY, IT WORKED OUT WHERE WE ARE TRYING TO FIND A SOLUTION, POSSIBLY TO THIS COST OR OTHER MUNICIPALITIES WITH US, THE SCHOOL BOARD, PALM BAY, ETC. IF WE IF WHICH WILL THERE BE A FUTURE DATE THING? BUT IF THAT WERE TO OCCUR, WE CAN MAKE A BUDGET ADJUSTMENT IN THE FUTURE AND FREE UP THOSE FUNDS IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS, OR IS THAT NOT A THIS YEAR SOLUTION IN YOUR EYES? WELL, IF THAT WERE TO HAPPEN, WELL, WITH THE RETIREE HEALTH INSURANCE, IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T FREE UP BECAUSE I BELIEVE WE'RE ENTERING A YEAR CONTRACT FOR THAT FOR NEXT FOR NEXT YEAR. HOWEVER, IF WE WERE TO ENTER IT FOR THE GENERAL EMPLOYEE, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR OUR CURRENT [00:30:04] EMPLOYEES, WE COULD MAYBE SEE SOME SOME SAVINGS. A LOT WILL HAVE TO HAPPEN BETWEEN NOW AND APRIL 1ST IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. BUT, YOU KNOW, JUST FOR THE SAKE OF LOOKING FORWARD FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. YEAH, JUST TRYING TO FIND BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS SHOCKING TO EVERYBODY, INCLUDING YOU ALL. AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN, WE CAN FIND A WAY TO DO THAT. AND THEN FOR MY SECOND ONE, I WAS GOING TO GO ON TO DIFFERENT SUBJECTS, BUT I DON'T WANT TO CUT IT OFF. IF YOU WANT US TO TALK ABOUT INSURANCE STILL, IT'S UP TO YOU REAL QUICK, MR. HANLEY, AND THEN WE'LL JUMP ON. MR. CAN WE VOTE? I'M SORRY. MY VOICE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. CAN WE DO THE VOTE RIGHT NOW? WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO DO WE CAN SPIN OUR WHEELS AND SAY THIS AND ALL THAT, WHETHER WE WANT TO DO THE NOT THE ROLLBACK, BUT THE INCREASE. CAN WE MAKE THE VOTE RIGHT NOW? WELL, BESIDES THE VOTE, I WOULD AT THE AGENDA, I WAS GOING TO ASK EACH COUNCIL MEMBER, ARE THEY CONSIDERING. BECAUSE IF WE DON'T HAVE WASTING THE MAJORITY, WE'RE WASTING OUR TIME INFORMATION ABOUT THAT. OKAY, THEN THEN IF YOU WOULD GO AHEAD. MR. OKAY. YES. OKAY. SO IF THIS COUNCIL WERE TO PASS THE MILLAGE RATE OF 6.9473, WHICH IS THE ABOVE ROLLBACK THAT WE AGREED TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER WHAT THAT REPRESENTS TO THE TAXPAYER REPRESENTS $0.73 PER MONTH AN INCREASE IN PROPERTY TAXES. THAT'S A MEDIAN. OKAY. NOW THOSE WHO LIVE IN MORE EXPENSIVE AREAS IS GOING TO BE MORE EXPENSIVE. THOSE WHO LIVE IN LESS EXPENSIVE AREAS IS GOING TO BE LESS EXPENSIVE. BUT THAT'S THE MEDIAN NUMBER. LAST YEAR WHEN WE RAISED IT TO 11, 11.42% WAS $7.42 A MONTH, AND THE YEAR BEFORE THAT WAS $4.19 PER MONTH TO THE AVERAGE TAXPAYER. SO IF WE'RE DISCUSSING $0.73 A MONTH TO THE AVERAGE TAXPAYER OVER WHETHER WE SHOULD TAKE THIS VOTE OR NOT, I DON'T SEE IT AS BEING A VOTE OR NOT BEING A VOTE. I JUST SEE IT AS A GIVEN, RIGHT? THOSE ARE REAL NUMBERS. AND I GOT THOSE NUMBERS. I DIDN'T MAKE THEM UP AND I DIDN'T DO THEM ON THE BACK OF A NAPKIN. I DID THEM WITH ROSS. EMAIL DOES WORK BETWEEN HERE AND RAPID CITY, SO IT WAS PRETTY UNIQUE, YOU KNOW? OKAY, SO THAT'S MY $0.02 ON THE, ON THE, ON THE MILITARY. OKAY. OKAY. SO. I'M JUST ASKING SO THAT WE GO IN THERE, THEN WE'LL ASK REAL QUICK. VICE MAYOR, ARE YOU CONSIDERING THE, THE. THE INCREASE, THE INCREASE? YES. SO YOU MISS HANLEY. YES, BECAUSE IT'S LESS THAN IT'S LESS THAN INFLATION. YES. AND YOU KNOW, THE VOTERS JUST I WANT TO LEAVE IT TO THEM IN NOVEMBER. THEY'VE THEY'VE PUT THIS ON THE BALLOT WITH THE REPRESENTATIVES. OKAY. BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE. OH NO, OH NO. OH NO. I KNOW, BUT IT'S ALL IT'S ALL RELATED IN MY OPINION. OKAY. SO I'M A YES, SIR. YES. CONSIDER AT LEAST CONSIDER. YES. SO WE DO HAVE WE HAVE A SUPERMAJORITY THEN. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ONE QUESTION. GO AHEAD. THE ITEMS THAT ARE ON THIS LIST RIGHT HERE AND I HAVE THE OTHER ONES, THE ONE THAT WAS GIVEN IN THE MEMO FORM GENERAL GENERAL FUND CONSISTENCY ON THIS ONE WAS $216,627. HERE IT'S $46,629. THAT THAT CHANGED AFTER MY REVIEW. I'M SORRY. THAT CHANGED AFTER I HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE ITEM, ALONG WITH WHAT SOME OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS WERE AT THAT TIME THAT WEREN'T AVAILABLE. LIKE LIKE THE TWO ON THE TOP AND THE FLOCK CAMERA CONTRACT. THAT'S 90,000 RIGHT THERE. GOT IT. YES. OKAY. AND LAST QUESTION IS THAT IF THIS IF THIS MILLAGE RATE WERE PASSED 6.9473, WOULD IT COVER ALL OF THIS UP ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW THAT'S ASSUMING IF THIS IS IN THE THE COMPOSITION THAT COUNCIL FINDS IS WITH THEIR DESIRE, RIGHT. SO I THIS IS MORE ILLUSTRATIVE TO SHOW YOU WHAT THIS WOULD LOOK LIKE. THE ONLY CLEAR DIRECTION STAFF WAS GIVEN AT THE TIME WAS THE COUNCIL SALARIES, HOMELESS GRANTS AND AID AND SUMMER CAMPS. SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS SHOWN THERE. WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TRANSFERS TO THE CRA IS SHOWN THERE, BECAUSE THAT'S STATUTORILY REQUIRED. THE RETIREE HEALTH INSURANCE AND FUEL COSTS WERE ADDED BY STAFF, JUST BASED OFF OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT CHANGED BETWEEN THE JULY MEETING AND NOW AND THEN. OBVIOUSLY, THE FLOCK CAMERA CONTRACT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS MORE RECENT IN DEVELOPMENT SINCE OUR JULY WORKSHOP. SO THIS WAS MORE ILLUSTRATIVE AND TANGIBLE FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, WHETHER OR NOT YOU BELIEVE THAT LOBBYIST FEES ARE TOO LOW OR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL IS TOO HIGH OR TOO LOW OR TOO HIGH, IT'S FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. THIS WAS MORE ILLUSTRATIVE FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND CONTINGENCY ACTS IN THIS INSTANCE, BECAUSE WE'RE AT THAT 6.9473 IT YOU HAVE A ROUNDING OF OF CERTAIN ITEMS. AND THAT'S WHAT THE CONTINGENCY IS EFFECTIVELY ACTING AS. THERE'S THAT THAT ROUNDING. SO THAT'S A YES TO MY QUESTION. YES. YES. THANK YOU. LONG, LONG, ROUNDABOUT WAY OF GETTING THERE. YEAH. I MISSED YOU SO MUCH. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. SO REAL QUICK, WE HAVE TWO MORE SPEAKERS. WE'RE GOING TO LET THEM SPEAK REAL QUICK. WE'LL START OUT WITH DEREK GORES FOLLOWED BY JEFFREY NEWS. AND THEN FROM THERE I GUESS WE'LL GO INTO [00:35:08] FOUR. HEY THERE FOLKS. JUST WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT EGAD FOR A SECOND. FIRST OF ALL, THANKS. I ALWAYS ENJOY THIS DYNAMIC. YOU KNOW, WE ALL WE ALL CARE ABOUT OUR OUR COMMUNITY AND WHAT WE CAN ALL BRING TO IT. SO IT'S A PLEASURE TO HAVE THIS DIALOG AND, AND THE EXTRA AMPLIFICATION. LAST MONTH I SPOKE BRIEFLY ABOUT ART FROM A PERSONAL LEVEL, WHAT IT WHAT IT MEANS FOR THE INDIVIDUALS WHO MAKE IT AND WITNESS IT AND SEE IT, EXPERIENCE IT, AND THEN WHAT IT MEANS TO HAVE A DIALOG AND CONNECT WITH YOUR COMMUNITY. WHEN YOU WHEN YOU WHEN YOU SHARE A STORY OVER ART. AND THAT'S KEY FOR, FOR ANY, ANY, ANY COMMUNITY THAT YOU, WE MIGHT WANT TO BUILD TOGETHER. BUT I ESPECIALLY WANTED TO EMPHASIZE THE ECONOMIC IMPACT SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUDGET I MENTIONED LAST MONTH, AND I WANT TO SAY IT AGAIN THAT, YOU KNOW, THE TOWNS AND CITIES THAT WE COMPETE WITH THE THE AUSTIN'S, THE ATLANTA, SEATTLE, ETC. FOR, FOR THAT YOUNG TECH TALENT, THE SPACE INDUSTRY THAT WE'RE ALL KNOWN FOR, YOU KNOW, WE ARE THE SPACE COAST. AND SOMETIMES YOU MIGHT WONDER WHY, WHY, WHY DO WE CARE SO MUCH ABOUT AN ARTS DISTRICT ON THE SPACE COAST? WELL, THE KEY TO ATTRACTING THAT YOUNG TECH TALENT IS CULTURE. THAT IS WHAT WE BRING TO THE TABLE. PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO MOVE FOR A KILLER JOB OR STAY AND BUILD A FAMILY JUST AROUND THE SPACE OR JUST AROUND THE BEACH. THEY HAVE TO HAVE THAT CULTURAL ELEMENT AND WE BRING THAT TO THE TABLE. THE VERY GOOD NEWS IS THAT'S ALSO THE, THE, THE, THE LOWEST FINANCIAL INVESTMENT TO JUMP IN. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL HAVE READ THE BOOK THE WALKABLE CITY BY JEFF SPECK. I'VE MENTIONED IT A COUPLE OF TIMES. IT'S STILL ONE OF MY FAVORITES. HE WAS A FORMER CITY PLANNER, BUT HE TALKS ABOUT WHAT MAKES A CITY OR A TOWN THRIVE. IT'S CALLED THE WALKABLE CITY. IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT WALKING, LITERALLY, BUT IT'S ABOUT WHAT MAKES WHAT'S THE CONNECTIVE TISSUE OF A OF A CITY OR A TOWN. AND HE TALKS ABOUT PUBLIC ART, NOT JUST, YEAH, WE DO MURALS AND THINGS, BUT THE ENGAGING EVENTS, THE THINGS THAT, THAT MAKE A COMMUNITY CONNECT WITH EACH OTHER AND DIFFERENT TYPES OF PEOPLE BOUNCE OFF EACH OTHER. AND IT'S ART. THE, YOU KNOW, WE ALL DREAMED OF HOTELS AND BIKE PATHS AND BIG THINGS IN THE PAST, BUT FOR LITERALLY THE COST OF PAINTING SOME WALLS AND PUTTING SOME EVENTS TOGETHER AND AMPLIFYING THOSE EVENTS, WITH YOUR HELP, WE DRAW PEOPLE. AND THAT IS WHAT IS MAKING THAT IS WHAT IS MAKING EGAD WORK. SO TO ME, THE BUDGET FOR US COULD BE TWICE THAT I. IT'S. I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE QUITE A CHALLENGE WITH THE BUDGET, THE BUDGET CHALLENGES. BUT TO ME, IT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT JUST EVERYBODY TAKES A PROPORTIONAL HIT. YOU LOOK AT THE AREAS AND THE PROJECTS THAT ARE MAKING THE BIGGEST BANG FOR THE BUCK IMPROVEMENTS. AND I THINK EGAD, IS IS ONE OF THOSE THERE'S A LONG WAY TO GO AND WE'RE ALL GOING TO KEEP BRINGING OUR, OUR HEART AND OUR OUR SWEAT TO MAKING A DIFFERENCE. AND I THINK WE'RE A WORTHY THING TO, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY IN TOUGH ECONOMIC TIMES, PEOPLE LEAN INTO ART TO, TO FEEL THEIR, THEIR, THEIR SOUL AND, AND CONTRIBUTE TO THEIR COMMUNITY. SO WE WANT TO KEEP AT IT. AND I BELIEVE IN YOU GUYS AS MUCH AS I EVER HAVE. MY WIFE AND I BOUGHT OUR BUILDING AND WE'RE ALL IN SEVERAL FOLKS OUT HERE. YOU KNOW, YOU'VE SEEN THE INVESTMENT. AND REALLY EVERYTHING IN EAU GALLIE IS SOMEWHAT IS SOMEHOW CREATIVE. IT'S NOT JUST PAINTINGS ON THE WALL. YOU KNOW, I TRY TO HANDLE THAT PART, BUT WE'VE GOT THE BREWERIES AND A BIT OF FASHION AND THE COFFEE SHOPS AND IMAGE STUDIOS. EVERYBODY'S DOING THEIR CREATIVE SIDE, ESPECIALLY IN A TIME WHEN THINGS ARE LEANING TOWARD MORE AND MORE COMPUTERS. AND AI, EGAD, IS LIKE A REAL, TANGIBLE EXPERIENCE. I HAVE, YOU KNOW, PAINT UNDER MY FINGERNAILS TO PROVE IT. AND THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU. AND I'LL REAL QUICK, DEREK. I'LL SAY ALSO NOT IT'S NOT ABOUT ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO JUST MOVE HERE. IT'S OUR COMMUNITY. THIS IS OUR COMMUNITY. THIS IS THIS. WE ALL LIVE HERE. AND I THINK WHEN YOU GO TO THE ARTS DISTRICT, AND I'VE LEARNED THIS A LOT, THE MORE YOU GO THERE, YOU REALIZE HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE VERY GOOD AT ART. BESIDES MYSELF, I'M NOT, BUT EVERYBODY BUT ME. BUT I'M JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, I GREW UP IN EAU GALLIE AND I'VE SEEN IT FROM THE 70S 80S, AND I'M REALLY HAPPY FROM WHERE IT'S GOING AND WHAT IT'S BECOMING. SO WE'RE DEFINITELY ON THE MAP AND YOU HELPED DO THAT, AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DO DOWN THERE. YOU BET. I THINK EVERYBODY HAS THEIR CREATIVE SOMETHING THEY DO, WHETHER IT'S YOUR SECOND OR THIRD HOBBY. EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, PLAYS A GUITAR OR ATTEMPTS TO OR DOES A LITTLE BALLET, A LITTLE BIT OF THIS. EVERYBODY'S GOT THEIR CREATIVE SIDE AND IT HELPS MAKE LIFE WORTH LIVING. THANKS, GUYS. THAT'S VERY TRUE. ACTUALLY. JEFF DOES. AND AFTER THIS, WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM FOUR AND GET MOVING. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. AND I'M JEFF NUSS WITH PROVIDENCE CONNECTS. I REALLY WANT TO TALK ABOUT PARTNERSHIP FOR A COUPLE OF MINUTES. SO FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO EXPRESS MY APPRECIATION [00:40:04] FOR EGAD, I THINK YOU ARE VERY SPECIAL. AND WE'RE NOT COMPETING FOR THESE DOLLARS. IT'S SOMETHING WONDERFUL ABOUT MELBOURNE THAT WE WORK TOGETHER AS A COMMUNITY AND OUR SUPPORT FOR HOMELESS SERVICES REALLY GOES HAND IN GLOVE WITH SUPPORT FOR WONDERFUL INITIATIVES LIKE EGAD MAIN STREET. WE'VE PARTNERED WITH THE CITY OF MELBOURNE FOR A LONG TIME IN DIFFERENT WAYS. THE $100,000 THAT THAT I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT WHERE THOSE FUNDS GO TO. THEY GO TO SUPPORT HOW HOUSING CASE MANAGERS THAT ARE WORKING ON THE STREETS WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE HOMELESS. FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, IT WAS 50,000. AND THAT INCREASED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO SO THAT WE COULD FUND TWO CASE MANAGERS THAT WERE DOING THAT WORK. I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT WE APPRECIATE THIS PARTNERSHIP, AND IT'S HAPPENED ON VARIOUS LEVELS, INCLUDING THE SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT IN PROVIDENCE PLACE, WHICH IS RISING UP FROM THE GROUND ON APOLLO BOULEVARD. THEY'RE WORKING ON THE THIRD FLOOR. IT'S GOING TO BE A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING ADDRESSING HOMELESSNESS IN OUR COMMUNITY AT THE AT THE FUNDAMENTAL SOLUTION LEVEL WOULDN'T BE POSSIBLE WITHOUT YOUR INVESTMENT OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE. THE. THE GRANT TO HELP OUTREACH WORK WAS 50,000. THEN IT BECAME 100,000. AS PART OF OUR PARTNERSHIP, WE UNDERSTAND THAT IN THE MIDST OF THIS FINANCIAL DIFFICULTY IN THE CITY AND THE TOUGH QUESTIONS YOU'RE ASKING THAT THIS PARTNERSHIP NEEDS TO BE ADJUSTED. I WANT YOU TO KNOW FULLY WELL THAT WE'RE COMMITTED TO THIS PARTNERSHIP. THERE'S SOMETHING VERY SPECIAL ABOUT THE CITY OF MELBOURNE'S COMMITMENT TO ADDRESSING HOMELESSNESS, NOT JUST WITH WORDS, BUT WITH REAL INVESTMENT, UNLIKE ANY OTHER MUNICIPALITY IN THIS COUNTY. YOU'VE PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS, AND THAT HAS MADE A TREMENDOUS DIFFERENCE. WE'RE ADDRESSING HOMELESSNESS IN A VERY PROACTIVE WAY IN THIS COMMUNITY. WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO THIS. WE'LL WORK HARD TO FIND OTHER SOURCES OF FUNDING, BUT WE'LL BE BACK. WE'LL BE WORKING TOGETHER. WE'VE GOT A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH STAFF. WE'VE GOT A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH YOU. WE WOULD LOVE IF IF WE COULD PUT A MARKER IN THE GROUND TO SAY, OKAY, WHEN FUNDINGS ARE AVAILABLE, LET'S RETURN TO THE POSSIBILITY OF WORKING TOGETHER WITH A REAL INVESTMENT TO ADDRESSING HOMELESSNESS AND, AND FOCUS PROACTIVE, EFFECTIVE OUTREACH BECAUSE IT'S MAKING A DIFFERENCE IN THE COMMUNITY. SO THANK YOU FOR THE PARTNERSHIP. WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING TOGETHER IN THE FUTURE. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THERE'S NO MORE SPEAKERS, SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON. WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR. ALL RIGHT. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO BEAR WITH ME SKIPPING A FEW SLIDES IF WE'RE GOING TO BE CONSIDERING THE HIGHER MILLAGE RATE. RIGHT HERE. SO ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS [4. Adoption of Proposed FY 2027 Millage Rates.] GOING TO BE THE ADOPTION OF YOUR PROPOSED FISCAL YEAR. AND FORGIVE ME, THAT'S 2026 2027 MILLAGE RATES. THAT'S THE CITY OF MELBOURNE OPERATING MILLAGE RATE OF 6.9473, WHICH WOULD REPRESENT A 1.01% INCREASE OVER THE ROLLBACK RATE OF 6.8781. FORGIVE ME IF I SOUND A BIT ROTE AT THIS POINT. WE HAVE TO COVER A FEW STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS, LIKE THE BULLET POINT BELOW THAT STATUTE OF 200 DASH 065 REQUIRES SPECIFIC PURPOSES FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE INCREASED AD VALOREM TAXES. I BELIEVE AN APPROPRIATE STATEMENT TO THIS EFFECT WOULD BE. AS DEMONSTRATED ON PREVIOUS SLIDES, THE INCREASE OVER THE ROLLBACK RATE IS TO PREVENT FURTHER REDUCTIONS IN OPERATING EXPENDITURES TO ACCOMMODATE WAGE GROWTH FROM COLLECTIVELY BARGAINED PUBLIC SAFETY CONTRACTS, EXCEEDING THE CONSUMER PRICE INDEX AND POPULATION GROWTH IN THE CITY. WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT LENGTH AT OUR JULY 29TH WORKSHOP, AS WELL AS THE PAST FEW YEARS, CONTINUED WAGE GROWTH AND DEMANDS ON PUBLIC SAFETY WILL CONTINUE TO OUTSTRIP THE CITY'S CAPABILITIES. AND THIS CONVERSATION THAT YOU'VE HAD HERE TONIGHT, WHICH WAS SO THOUGHTFUL, WILL BECOME A MICROCOSM OF FUTURE BUDGET CYCLES. SO I DO NOT WANT THAT LOST IN THE WASH. BUT EFFECTIVELY, WHAT WE ARE ASKING IS FOR YOUR ADOPTION OF THE OPERATING MILLAGE RATE OF 6.9473, A 1.01% INCREASE OVER THE ROLLBACK RATE OF 6.8781. OKAY. ANY ANY COMMENT? OKAY. MOVE ON TO SIX. YEAH. MAYOR, BEFORE YOU ENTERTAIN A MOTION, JUST IF THERE'S ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS. YEAH WE'RE GETTING READY. YEAH. SO THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. WE HAVE A SIGN UP SHEET FOR FOR OKAY, I'LL CLOSE THAT PUBLIC HEARING AND WE'LL MOVE TO DO WE HAVE A ANY KIND OF MOTION, MAYOR. GOOD. MA'AM. PROPOSAL A MILLAGE RATE OF 6.9473 WILL GENERATE SIX $60,538. I MEAN, 60, $60 MILLION, $538,402 IN THE AD VALOREM TAX REVENUE. THE PROPOSED MILLAGE PROPOSED DEBT [00:45:08] SERVICE MILLAGE RATE OF 0.2885 WILL GENERATE. OH, WAIT A MINUTE, THAT'S NOT WHAT I WANT TO READ. RECOMMEND ADOPTION OF THE PROPOSED OPERATING MILLAGE RATE OF 6.8781 PER THOUSAND OF ASSESSED PROPERTY VALUE FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2026, WHICH IS THE ROLLBACK RATE. PARDON ME, MISS HANLEY, I BELIEVE THAT THE MOTION IS WRITTEN ON THAT IS WAS DEPENDENT UPON COUNCIL'S DISCUSSION. COUNCIL'S DISCUSSION INDICATED THE HIGHER AMOUNT. SO I GO BACK TO MY 6.99. YEAH, I WAS LIKE, OKAY, THE 6.9. I WAS LIKE, I WAS LIKE, IF I, IF I CAN RECOMMEND, LET'S DO THE OPERATING MILLAGE SEPARATE FROM THE DEBT SERVICE MILLAGE. SO, SO THE FIRST MOTION WILL JUST BE FOR THE OPERATING MILLAGE RATE. AND THEN WE'LL DO A SEPARATE POLICE HEADQUARTERS DEBT SERVICE MILLAGE RATE. THANK YOU, MR. CONNELLY. SO GOOD, MISS HANLEY. SO THE RECOMMEND ADOPTION OF THE PROPOSED MILLAGE RATE OF 6.94473 PER THOUSAND OF ASSESSED PROPERTY VALUE FOR FISCAL YEAR 2026 2027 AND THE ADOPTION OF THE TENTATIVE DATE. IT SAYS 26 SHOULD BE 27. YEAH, THIS IS ON THE SLIDE. THAT'S MY YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. OKAY. AND THEN WE'LL DO THE, THE, THE DEBT SERVICE SECOND. SO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR BY MISS HANLEY. SECOND, WE HAVE A SECOND BY MISS BASSETT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED. NAY, I VOTE AYE. AND THAT MOTION PASSES SIX ONE. I HAVE A MOTION FOR THE DEBT SERVICE. OH. THE ADOPTION OF THE TENTATIVE DEBT SERVICE MILLAGE RATE OF 0.2885. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED. VOTE AYE. AND THAT [5. Adoption of the FY 2027 Proposed Budget with Revisions.] MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE SIX. THERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT. ITEM NUMBER FIVE HERE IS GOING TO BE THE ADOPTION OF THE FISCAL YEAR 2027 PROPOSED BUDGET ITSELF. THE BUDGET HERE IS SHOWN AND AND ADOPTED AT THE FUND LEVEL WITH THE INDIVIDUAL AMOUNT SHOWN HERE TO THE RIGHT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING ADOPTION OF THE FISCAL YEAR 2027 PROPOSED BUDGET, AS REVISED FOR AN OVERALL AMOUNT OF $421,702,899. OKAY. THIS WILL ALSO NOT MATCH THE RECOMMENDED ACTION ON YOUR HANDOUTS. SO IF YOU WANT TO USE THE DOLLAR FIGURE SHOWN THERE ON THE SCREEN, THAT WOULD BE IDEAL. OH, OKAY, MR. SMITH, JUST A QUESTION BECAUSE I KNOW COUNCILMAN LARUSSO HAD PUT A PROPOSAL OUT ABOUT AS FAR AS SPENDING RELATED TO OUR TRAVEL AND TRAINING, AND I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHERE WE STOOD ON THAT. I THINK THAT'S COMING UP IN THE NEXT AGENDA, THE NEXT THE NEXT PUBLIC HEARING. THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT, BUT IT'LL BE ON THE AGENDA ON THE 23RD. OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO AND REAL QUICK, DO WE HAVE ANY SIGN UP SHEETS PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS? OKAY. WE'LL CLOSE THAT OUT THEN. ALL RIGHT. MAYOR, I DON'T MEAN TO BEAT A DEAD HORSE, BUT ROSS, CAN YOU CAN YOU CLARIFY AND MAKE SURE EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THAT THE 421,702,899 REFLECTS EVERYTHING SHOWN IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDE AS TO THE HOW ADDITIONAL AD VALOREM TAXES ARE, WERE PROPOSED AND INTENDED TO BE ALLOCATED CORRECT, AS WE JUST PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED ON THE SLIDE, SHOWING THE INCREASES IN EXPENDITURES AND REVENUES, THE $528,485 IS REFLECTED THERE IN YOUR GENERAL FUND, THE 18,899 IN THE DOWNTOWN CRA AND THE 9000 TO 12 IN THE EAU GALLIE. CRA REFLECTS THE PASS THROUGH IN TIF REVENUES FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO THE CRA. THE 41,007, 28 AND 36,000 783 REPRESENTS YOUR MILLAGE THAT IS DEDICATED TO THOSE PURPOSES OF PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PROGRAM AND THE MACHINERY AND EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT FUND AT THAT HIGHER RATE. AND THE COMPONENT UNIT AIRPORT FUND IS THE INCLUSION THAT IS CUSTOMARY AT THIS POINT FOR THE MELBOURNE AVIATION AUTHORITY'S BUDGET FOR 2027 AS WELL. SO THE NET EFFECT OF THOSE IS REFLECTED IN THAT $421,702,899 FIGURE. OKAY, ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I THINK I DO, MAYOR. GO AHEAD. AS I'M LOOKING AT THIS, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE DOWNTOWN GALLERY, CRA, RIGHT, THAT IS THE MONEY THAT'S GOING INTO THE PARKING GARAGE. CORRECT. SO THAT'S GOING TO INCREASE BY THE 18, EIGHT, NINE NINE. THAT'S SEPARATE FROM THAT 85,000 BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WE MIGHT BE MIXING THE TWO CRAS UP THE 9000 212 FOR THE EAU GALLIE CRA IS COMMITTED TO THE PARKING GARAGE THAT IS IN THE EAU GALLIE DISTRICT. IT IS STILL COMMITTED TO THAT, PER THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE I'M CLEAR WHEN WE'RE VOTING ON THIS INCREASE, RIGHT? WE ARE VOTING THAT INCLUSIVE OF THIS [00:50:07] INCREASE IS EVERYTHING THAT WAS ON THAT PREVIOUS SLIDE. CORRECT. CAN YOU THROW THAT BACK UP, PLEASE? SO WE'RE SAYING THAT WE'RE GOING TO GIVE 85,000 TO MAIN STREET. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE OUT THE HOMELESS. WE'RE GOING TO GIVE ALL THIS MONEY TO THE FUEL COSTS AND INSURANCE AND THE LOBBYIST FEES. CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. UNLESS UNLESS COUNCIL HAS A DIFFERENT DIRECTION FOR US. CORRECT. MAYOR. GO AHEAD. MR. RUSSO, IN REVIEWING THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL AND THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, I WOULD NOT BE OBJECTIONABLE TO GOING DOWN TO THEIR LOWEST RATE OF $1,500 PER PER ORGANIZATION. AND WE GET THE SAME THING ONLY BY BY A VOTE ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL FOR SEAT ON THE BOARD. AND IN SPEAKING WITH MISS LAMB, SHE HAD JUST WENT TO ONE, I THINK IT WAS LAST WEDNESDAY OR LAST THURSDAY, AND REALLY NOTHING HAS COME BEFORE US WITH THE ECONOMIC. WE PAY $10,000 FOR THE PRIVILEGE OF SITTING AT A BOARD MEETING AND GETTING REALLY NOTHING OUT OF IT. THEY DO GREAT WORK WITH THE AIRPORT, BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN A WHOLE LOT HAPPEN HERE. BUT THAT'S JUST ME. AND YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO LIVE WITH THAT NEXT YEAR, BUT I'M WILLING TO GO 1500 ON BOTH ORGANIZATIONS AT THIS POINT, AT THIS POINT. AND THEN IT WOULD YOU WOULD YOU CONSIDER WITH THEM THAT WOULD BE 3000 TO MOVE THE REST OF THE CONTINGENCY? THAT WOULD BE A GREAT PROPOSITION, AND I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT, MR. NEWMAN. AND I'M JUST GOING TO RUN COUNTER TO THAT ONE. OUR SUPPORT FOR THE EDC ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL, AS WELL AS THE SPACE COAST CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, IS OUR ACKNOWLEDGMENT AND INVESTMENT IN OUR ECONOMIC ENGINES HERE LOCALLY. I TRULY BELIEVE THAT IT SENDS THE WRONG MESSAGE AFTER YOU GUYS JUST VOTED TO INCREASE THE MILLAGE, TO CUT THAT THOSE PARTICULAR LINE ITEMS AT SUCH A LOW LEVEL, BY THE WAY, AND IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS, THERE'S HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN HERE. I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THAT SENDS THE RIGHT MESSAGE TO OUR ECONOMIC PARTNERS, THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, THOSE WHO WANT TO WORK AND THRIVE IN THE CITY OF MELBOURNE. AND SO I WOULD I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT MOVE AT THIS TIME. AND IF IT'S A CONCERN ABOUT GETTING INVOLVED IN IT OR GETTING BENEFITS OUT OF IT, IT'S JUST LIKE ANYTHING. AND YOU KNOW, MR. LARUSSO, YOU YOU GET WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT. AND SO I THINK THE MORE THAT WE PUT INTO WHETHER IT'S THE EDC, I THINK WAS YOUR CONCERN, I THINK THE MORE WE COULD POSSIBLY GET OUT OF IT. AND I'M PERSONALLY I MEAN, I BROUGHT THIS UP BEFORE, I DO THINK THAT A COUNCIL MEMBER SHOULD HAVE THAT SEAT. THAT'S NO OFFENSE TO JENNY. I JUST THINK THAT IT'S A POLICY POSITION. AND I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL, MAYBE IN THE LINE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING TOWARDS. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, I JUST DON'T SEE I JUST DON'T SEE THAT BEING THE RIGHT MOVE. MR. MAYOR. HOLD ON, MR. RUSSO, THEN MR. SMITH. MR. NEWMAN SO THEN, WOULD YOU BE AGREEABLE TO THE 3000 2500 THEN IT'S ON THE TABLE FOR THE EDC AND THE AND THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. THOSE ARE SIGNIFICANT CUTS AS WELL, TOO. WELL, NO, I MEAN, I WANT TO I WANT TO KEEP IT AT THE FULL FUNDING. AND SO I, I ACTUALLY ALREADY HAVE WRITTEN DOWN HERE SINCE YOU'VE TEED ME UP, I, I ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT. AND IT'S ACTUALLY REALLY FUNNY THAT, THAT YOU DID THAT. BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, I REALLY BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD SQUARE THE CIRCLE ON THE CHAMBER. I'VE FOUND IN OUR PARTICULAR BUDGET. AND AS YOU GUYS KNOW, I LIKE TO LEAD BY EXAMPLE, AND I'M NOT GOING TO HAVE US ADD FUNDS FROM OTHER PLACES THAT IS ON THE TAXPAYERS BACK. AND I'M GOING TO FIND SOME OTHER LOCATIONS. SO I LOOKED AT OUR TRAINING AND EDUCATION BUDGET, WHICH WAS $7,500. WE COULD EASILY CLEAR THAT CHAMBER OF COMMERCE ONE, IF WE TOOK 2500 OUT. WE ALSO HAVE 1000. THIS IS FOR THE CITY COUNCIL'S BUDGET. BY THE WAY, JUST MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR. WE HAVE 1500 IN PUBLIC RELATIONS. WE'VE ONLY SPENT $611 OF THAT THIS YEAR. AND OUR BUDGET LAST YEAR WAS $3,000. SO WE COULD CUT THAT BY MAYBE $1,000. AND THEN FOR OUR OUR TRAVEL PER DIEM, WE'RE AT 4180. I THINK WE COULD TAKE OUT. I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE I GOT MY MATH RIGHT HERE. IF IT'S 3500, JUST NEED TO DO ABOUT 1500 OUT OF THAT. AND THAT COVERS BOTH TO GET US BACK TO SQUARE. MAYOR. MR. MR. NEWMAN, YOU MAKE A STRONG ARGUMENT, AND THE ONLY ONE THAT I WOULD PUSH BACK ON WOULD BE THE EDC TO NOT TO THE 3000 LEVEL. I UNDERSTAND YOUR ARGUMENT, BUT LESS THAN THE 10,000. WE CAN DECIDE THAT BECAUSE WE'VE GOT THE MEMOS RIGHT IN FRONT OF US AS TO WHAT LEVEL. THERE ARE 10,000 DOWN TO 1500, SURE. BUT WITH THE UNDERSTANDING, THOUGH, THAT I LIKE YOUR YOUR COMMENT ABOUT PUTTING A COUNCIL MEMBER ON THAT BOARD VERSUS MISS LAMBE. NOT TO BE SLAM ISN'T DOING A PHENOMENAL JOB, JUST THAT I THINK WE PROBABLY GET A LITTLE [00:55:01] BIT MORE. TIRE WEAR, I THINK, OUT OF BECAUSE WE'LL BE BRINGING IT BACK TO COUNCIL AND REPORTING IT ON A REGULAR BASIS. OKAY. I DON'T MEAN TO PUT THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE, BUT IS THERE AT SOME POINT WE'LL TAKE 30S. ALL RIGHT. IF IN IF WE TOOK THAT, IF JENNY DID NOT SIT ON THAT BOARD, IS THERE A COUNCIL MEMBER THAT WOULD WANT TO SIT ON THE BOARD? I'D TAKE IT. I'LL TAKE IT. YEAH. I THINK IT WOULD BE FAIR TO ASK THE NEW COUNCIL TO COME UP. WELL, NO, NO NO, NO, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE PEOPLE. WE'RE NOT GOING TO VOTE ON THAT TONIGHT BECAUSE SHE'S STILL ON IT. BUT THAT'S I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WOULD BE WILLING TO FILL THAT. OKAY. AND I AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT 100%. AND I AGREE WITH THAT. COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT ARE COMING UP. OKAY, SURE. OKAY. NOVEMBER. YEAH. SO GO AHEAD, SIR, IF I MAY. SO AT THE PREVIOUS THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, I PRESENTED A PROPOSAL THAT WAS ABOUT REVENUE GENERATING IDEAS. AND SEVERAL OF THOSE REVENUE GENERATING IDEAS WERE PRODUCED THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS. AND WE DIDN'T COME TO A CONSENSUS. IN PARTICULAR, WE TALKED ABOUT THE VACANT PROPERTY ONE, AND THAT WAS AN ACTUAL TEST CASES BETWEEN TITUSVILLE AND PALM BAY, WHERE THEY ACTUALLY HAVE GENERATED A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF REVENUE. SO MY PART OF AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE DIGITAL SIGNAGE, AND THAT WAS OTHER THINGS THAT WERE IN THAT PROPOSAL. SO I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO CONSIDER THOSE THINGS BECAUSE AGAIN, WE CAN'T CUT OUR WAY TO PROSPERITY. AND SIMILAR TO WHAT MY MY FELLOW COUNCILMAN HERE, MR. NEWMAN, IS SAYING, THAT I DON'T THINK IT SENDS THE RIGHT SIGNAL FOR US TO NOT BE ENGAGED AND PARTICIPATING WITH OUR COMMUNITY, OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, OUR BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY. SO I WOULD BE DEFINITELY OPPOSED TO CUTTING AS OPPOSED TO LOOKING AT WAYS THAT WE CAN COMPLETELY ENGAGE, COMPLETELY UPDATE OUR BRAND, COMPLETELY UPDATE THE WAY THAT WE ENGAGE AS OPPOSED TO STEPPING BACK. I THINK IT'S TIME FOR MELBOURNE TO LOOK AT WAYS TO LEAD THE WAY AND ACTUALLY GET MORE VALUE OUT OF OUR, OUR RELATIONSHIPS, AS OPPOSED TO LOOKING AT IT THE OPPOSITE WAY. SO THAT WOULD BE MY POINT. AND I WILL SAY THAT WOULD BE FOR A FUTURE DISCUSSION, YOU KNOW, A DISCUSSION. BUT RIGHT NOW WHAT WE'RE DOING IS FOCUSING ON THE EDC AND THE CHAMBER, WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH THERE. SO WHEN WE HAVE SOME IDEAS ON REVENUE GENERATION, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN BRING DOWN THE ROAD. AND DURING A BUDGET REVISION, WE CAN SEE. BUT, YOU KNOW, BUT WE, WE NEED, WE HAVE NUMBERS IN FRONT OF US AND WE NEED TO FOCUS ON THOSE. JENNY. MISS, I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER NEWMAN PROPOSED. HE SAID HE WANTED THE $2,500 FOR THE COMMERCE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE TO COME FROM TRAINING AND EDUCATION. IS THAT YES, I IF YOU WANT ME TO RESTATE IT, IT WAS 2500 FROM TRAINING AND EDUCATION, 1000 FROM PR, AND THEN 2000 COMES FROM TRAVEL AND PER DIEM. I THINK THAT GETS US TO OUR 5500. OKAY, I WELL, IF I CAN. OKAY, SO THE TRAINING AND EDUCATION BUDGET WAS ALREADY REDUCED BY $2,500. SO ARE YOU PROPOSING ANOTHER 25? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. ADDITIONAL TO, TO THE CHANGES THAT WERE ALREADY MADE IN HERE. OKAY, PERFECT. AND THE PUBLIC RELATIONS WAS DOWN TO 50. I SEE WHERE YOU OKAY? YEP. I'M FOLLOWING YOU NOW. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I WAS CLEAR. ALL RIGHT. MISS HANLEY, YOU HAD SOMETHING. OKAY. YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDS GREAT TO TAKE AWAY TRAINING AND EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT THAT'S A BAD SPOT, YOU KNOW THAT? THAT'S KIND OF LIKE WE NEED TO TALK TO OTHER PEOPLE. LIKE GOING TO THE LEAGUE OF CITY, THINGS LIKE THE COMING UP, THE LEGISLATIVE CONFERENCE. WHEN I CAME BACK TWO YEARS AGO NOW, AND I SAID THIS AMENDMENT, THEY DIDN'T CALL IT AMENDMENT THREE AT THE TIME, BUT I SAID THEY WERE LOOKING AT THIS, TAKEN AWAY PROPERTY TAXES. AND ALL OF YOU SAID, OH, NO, THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. WE NEED TO GO TO THOSE THINGS SO WE KNOW WHAT'S COMING DOWN THE LINE. WE CAN'T JUST CUT THOSE OUT AND GO TO THE TRAINING AND LEARNING HOW. I MEAN, THIS IS GOING TO BE IF AMENDMENT THREE GOES DOWN, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE WE GOING TO LOOK AT THINGS AND GO TO THAT? SO I'M WORRIED ABOUT TAKING CUTTING OUT ALL THE TRAVEL AND TRAINING BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE A WHOLE NEW WORLD, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT MOVING FORWARD. SO I THINK TAKING THE TRAINING AND THINGS LIKE THAT OUT OF THERE IS NOT A GREAT SPOT TO TAKE IT OUT OF. NOW. WE HAVE NOT SPENT IN THE YEARS PAST, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN, OKAY, WE PUT THAT MONEY IN THERE. I CALL IT LIKE THE SLUSH, THEIR LITTLE SURPLUS CONTINGENCY FUND. IF YOU'RE AN ACCOUNTANT, YOU KIND OF PUT STUFF INTO CERTAIN, CERTAIN CATEGORIES BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN PULL IT. YOU'RE LIKE, OH, WE CAN PULL THAT OUT OF THERE A LITTLE BIT AT A TIME. SO I KIND OF LIKE LEAVING IT THERE, THE MONEY THERE, SO THAT IF WE GO BACK DURING THE YEAR AND WE NEED A LITTLE BIT OF AN EXTRA CONTINGENCY MONEY, WE CAN PULL IT OUT OF THERE DURING THE [01:00:04] MIDDLE OF THE YEAR AND WE CAN MAKE CHANGES OR AT THE END OF THE YEAR TYPE OF THINGS. I'D RATHER LEAVE IT THERE. WITH BASSETT AND MR. NEWMAN, I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH THE THE IDEAS THAT MR. THAT COUNCILMAN LARUSSO PUT FORWARD THAT INSTEAD OF LIKE, LIKE CUTTING WHERE OUR TRAINING AND STUFF IS, I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM. I TOTALLY GET IT. BUT THERE'S VALUE IN WHAT COUNCILWOMAN HANLEY IS SAYING. WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE FOR US TO TO CUT A LITTLE BIT FROM THE THE EDC AND THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, WHAT WOULD THAT ACTUALLY LOOK LIKE? LIKE, WHAT WOULD WE BE GETTING IN RETURN FROM THESE PLACES? MR. NEWMAN. SO, WELL, IN GENERAL, AND I'M NOT CAUGHT UP SPECIFICALLY ON THE SPONSORSHIPS LEVELS BECAUSE MY ACTUAL IT'S NOT ABOUT THE BENEFITS TO ME. AND I THINK THAT'S PART OF WHAT THIS CONVERSATION IS ABOUT. IT IS SHOWING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO CONTINUE AT A SMALL LEVEL. I MEAN, IN TOTAL, I THINK IT'S 10,000 FOR EDC AND CHAMBER IS IS A 5000. JENNY, WHAT'S THE TOTAL FOR THAT? WE CURRENTLY SPEND, WE'RE CURRENTLY PAYING 4000 FOR THE CHAMBER AND WE'RE REDUCING IT TO. WELL, IF IF WE CONTINUE TO FUND IT, WE WERE PROPOSING TO GO TO THE NEXT TO THE BRONZE LEVEL. RIGHT. AND SO IT'S NOT REALLY A BENEFITS THING FOR ME BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING. OH, THANK YOU FOR WHEN I THINK THIS WILL HELP YOU OUT MORE THAN ME. BUT THE FACT IS THAT IT'S REALLY JUST ABOUT SENDING THAT MESSAGE TO OUR SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS AND THE ECONOMIC COMMUNITY THAT AT THAT, AGAIN, ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN THIS BUDGET, 2500 DECREASE AND A $3,000 DECREASE, THAT'S NOTHING. THAT IS THE TEENIEST TINIEST AMOUNTS IN THIS ENTIRE EXPENDITURES COLUMN THAT YOU HAVE HERE. BUT I THINK THAT THE IMPACT THAT YOU WOULD HAVE AND THEIR FEEL THAT WE ARE PULLING BACK IS NOT A VALUE. AND WE COULD GET A LOT MORE OUT OF THEM. IF THE CONCERN IS, AGAIN, WHAT ARE THOSE BENEFITS? BY CONTINUING TO PERSONALLY CHOOSE TO SPEND OUR TIME WITH THEM, CONTINUING TRYING TO HELP THESE SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS, OR TRYING TO BRING TOP TALENT AND AND INDUSTRY WITH THE EDC TO THE CITY OF MELBOURNE. SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF MY PITCH ON IT. AND THEN IF I CAN JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION OR PROVIDE A COUNTERPOINT REGARDING THE USE OF THOSE TRAVEL FUNDS THAT TRAINING, EDUCATION, ETC. MY CAR HAS WHEELS, IT DRIVES, AND I'M ABLE TO DO THAT, AND I GO TO TALLAHASSEE WITHOUT ASKING FOR A DOLLAR OUT OF THESE THINGS. I GO TO DC AND I DON'T ASK FOR A DOLLAR OUT OF IT. AND THAT'S NOT SAYING THAT I FEEL ANYONE IS LESS THAN FOR CHOOSING TO DO SO. I JUST KNOW THAT WE ALL HAVE THE ABILITY TO CALL OUR STATE REPRESENTATIVES WHO ARE HERE MORE. THEY'RE HERE LOCALLY MORE THAN THEY ARE IN TALLAHASSEE, AND YOU CAN GET THEIR PHONE NUMBER AND GIVE THEM A CALL. OR YOU COULD GO UP THERE ON YOUR OWN TIME, ON YOUR OWN EXPENSE. SO THE TAXPAYERS AREN'T PAYING FOR THAT. I JUST THINK THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT IS WELL WORTH THE BENEFIT TO TAKE SOME OF THESE COSTS ON OUR OWN, WHICH, BY THE WAY, WE GET PAID FOR. ANYWAY, WE HAVE PART OF OUR YOU GET THOSE TWO PAYCHECKS. ONE CHECK IS FOR AS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS IS, EVERYONE'S IS DIFFERENT, BUT ONE CHECK IS YOUR ACTUAL PAYCHECK FOR BEING A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER. THE OTHER ONE IS FOR YOUR LOCAL TRAVEL AND GAS. AND SO WE ARE ALREADY HAVING BENEFIT FROM THAT. IF YOU REALLY THINK ABOUT IT, YOU JUST SAVE UP THAT MONEY AND DECIDE TO GO TO TALLAHASSEE INSTEAD OF GOING TO THE CHAMBER BREAKFAST OR SOMETHING. SO THAT BEING SAID, THAT'S MY THAT'S MY PITCH IS THAT I JUST THINK THAT WE CAN DO SOME OF THESE ON OUR OWN. AND IT'S NOT CUTTING THE WHOLE THING AWAY. IT'S NOT SAYING NOBODY GETS THIS. I JUST THINK A PHRASE THAT I USED LAST YEAR, AND I'VE BEEN CONSISTENT ON IT THROUGH THE YEAR, IS WE NEED TO MICROMANAGE OURSELVES A LITTLE BIT AS FAR AS THAT SPENDING. AND I WOULD REALLY PREFER THAT WE REALLY TAKE A LOOK AT. I KNOW MR. LARUSSO HAS A GREAT PROPOSAL THAT'S COMING UP LATER, AND THIS WOULD BE ANOTHER WAY FOR US TO TO DO THAT AS WELL. SO THAT'S JUST MY THAT'S MY PITCH ON IT, I THINK. AND WE'RE LEADING BY EXAMPLE, BY THE WAY, WE'RE NOT STEALING FROM ANY SORT OF GROUP. IF I BELIEVE THAT THE CITY CLERK CAN PULL UP ON THE SCREEN WHAT THE DIFFERENCES ARE FOR THE CHAMBER, AND THEN ALSO THE DIFFERENT LEVELS FOR THE EDC, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN THAT RIGHT NOW, BUT THIS IS THE CHAMBER AND LOOKS AT THE DIFFERENCE IN THE IN THE LEVELS AND WHAT IS WHAT IS PROVIDED AND WHAT ISN'T PROVIDED. AND SO REALLY GOING FROM SILVER TO BRONZE, IT'S THE DIFFERENCE OF THE NUMBER OF TIMES WE'RE LISTED IN THE DIRECTORY, WHICH I DON'T THINK IS A MAJOR CONCERN FOR THE CITY OF MELBOURNE. THE OTHER IS THE NUMBER OF BREAKFASTS AND SPEAKING WITH THEIR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, I MAY HAVE THE TITLE WRONG, SO I'M SORRY, SHE SAID THAT WE COULD CONTINUE TO HAVE TWO IN THE SPIRIT OF COOPERATION IF WE WERE STILL AT THE BRONZE LEVEL, IF THAT'S WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO COUNCIL. IF WE WANTED TO GO DOWN TO BRASS, [01:05:01] THEN YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE DIFFERENCES ARE THERE. IT'S STILL IT'S REALLY JUST THE LISTING IN THE DIRECTORY IN THE IN THE COMPLIMENTARY TICKETS. AND THEN IF WE WANT TO LOOK AT EDC, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS ARE. I DON'T WANT TO WASTE TIME ON THIS IF YOU'RE NOT INTERESTED. I THINK THAT WAS IN THE SAME EMAIL. KEVIN. OKAY. YEAH. I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND KIND OF MOVE FORWARD AND GET SOME DIRECTION ON THIS. I MEAN, DO I NEED TO MAKE A MOTION FOR YOU TO DO THAT OR YOU JUST WANT TO DO I JUST WANT REAL QUICK, MR. RUSSO, AND THEN PIGGYBACK OFF OF MR. NEWMAN IS THAT I DID THE MATH ON THE ON THE GAS ALLOWANCE AS WELL TOO. COMES OUT TO 62 AT $4 A GALLON AND AN AVERAGE OF 30 GALLONS PER MILE OF A CAR. IT COMES OUT TO 62 GALLONS PER MONTH, WHICH COMES OUT TO 21,000 MILES PER YEAR IS WHAT WE GET PAID FOR. AT $4 A GALLON, AT 30 MILES TO 30 MILES A GALLON. SO I CHALLENGE ANYBODY TO TELL ME THAT THEY DRIVE 21,000 MILES A YEAR TO REPRESENT THIS COUNCIL. WITH THAT BUDGET, I DON'T I DON'T EVEN THINK THE MAYOR DOES. SO TAKING ALL OF THAT INTO CONSIDERATION, THAT'S ANOTHER $3,600 THAT WE GET IN OUR POCKET FOR TRAVEL AND PER DIEM. YEAH. SO I THINK WE'RE BEATING A DEAD HORSE HERE BECAUSE I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT. I MEAN, YOU KNOW HE'S RIGHT. YEAH. GO AHEAD, MR. NEWMAN. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO REDUCE THE COUNCIL BUDGET AT TRAVEL PER DIEM BY $2,000, THE PUBLIC RELATIONS BY $1,000, AND TRAINING AND EDUCATION BY $2,500 TO GO TOWARDS RESTORING FULL FUNDING FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL AND THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. AND I'LL SECOND THAT. WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NAY, NAY. WE HAVE TWO NAYS AND I VOTE AYE. AND THAT MOTION PASSES. COOL. OKAY. NOW COUNCIL WILL CONVENE AT THE MELBOURNE DOWNTOWN COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT REAL QUICK. YOU DO. YOU DO NEED TO HAVE A MOTION TO THAT WASN'T THAT WASN'T THAT WASN'T A MOTION TO ADOPT THE BUDGET. THAT WAS JUST SORT OF I JUMPED NUMBER FIVE FORMAL DIRECTION ON HOW TO MAKE HOW TO MAKE REVISIONS, TRYING TO MOVE US ON. SO YEAH, WE GOT TO GO TO THE ADOPTION OF THE 2022 PROPOSED BUDGET WITH REVISIONS. SO I AM NOT I'M NOT THE FINANCIAL WHIZ. SO I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF THOSE MODIFICATIONS CHANGED. OKAY, SO WE'RE STILL WE'RE STILL IN THE SAME SANDBOX. WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT A PROPOSED MOTION FOR ADOPTION OF THE BUDGET WITH THE NUMBER IN THE BOTTOM MIDDLE CELL. YES. SO, OKAY, IF IT HELPS STAFF, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING ADOPTION OF THE FISCAL YEAR 2027 PROPOSED BUDGET AS REVISED FOR AN OVERALL AMOUNT OF $421,702,899. SO THAT NUMBER CHANGED. 702 RIGHT. SAY THAT AGAIN FOR 21. 702 FOR THE CHANGED 899899 FOR 21702 GO AHEAD SIR. I MOTION FOR THE ADOPTION OF THE FISCAL YEAR 2027 BUDGET, WITH THE REVISIONS FOR TOTAL OF 421,702 FOR $421,702,899. SECOND, AND I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE AYE, AND THAT MOTION PASSES. AND BEFORE I MOVE FORWARD I WANT TO THANK OUR AIRPORT STAFF IS HERE. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR COMING AND AND BE A PART OF THIS, BECAUSE YOU GOT TO DO IT TWICE [6. Adoption of the Proposed FY 2027 Melbourne Downtown Community Redevelopment Fund Budget.] IN A WAY. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. SO WE WILL NOW CONVENE AT THE MELBOURNE DOWNTOWN COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY FOR ITEM NUMBER SIX. AND AGAIN, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, JUST AS A AS A RECOMMENDATION, THE RECOMMENDED ACTION ON YOUR PHYSICAL PRINTOUTS HAS CHANGED DUE TO THE HIGHER MILLAGE RATE. SO LET ME GO THROUGH THIS REAL BRIEF PROMPT. THE DOWNTOWN CRA BUDGET IS ADOPTED AT THE FUND LEVEL. ADDITIONAL DETAIL CAN BE FOUND ON PAGES 49 AND 50 OF THE PROPOSED BUDGET BOOK ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING ADOPTION OF THE FISCAL YEAR 2027 PROPOSED BUDGET, AS REVISED FOR THE MELBOURNE DOWNTOWN COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT FUND IN THE AMOUNT OF $3,222,163. ALL RIGHT, ONE SIX. ALL RIGHT. ANY DISCUSSION? COUNCIL. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE ANY SIGN UP SHEETS ON THAT? OKAY. I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS ITEM AND BRING BACK TO COUNCIL. MAYOR, ADOPTION OF THE FISCAL YEAR 2027 PROPOSED BUDGET FOR THE MELBOURNE DOWNTOWN COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT FUND, AND THE AMOUNT OF $3,222,163. SECOND, HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE AYE, AND THAT [7. Adoption of the Proposed FY 2027 Olde Eau Gallie Riverfront Community Redevelopment Fund Budget.] MOTION PASSES. NOW. COUNCIL THE OLD EAU GALLIE RIVERFRONT COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY FOR THE ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. MAYOR. GOOD SIR. RECOMMEND ADOPTION OF THE FISCAL YEAR [01:10:06] 2020. WE GOT A PUBLIC HEARING. YEAH, YEAH. REAL QUICK, WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ALSO, LET ME GO AHEAD AND PUT THIS ON THE RECORD FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE FOLLOWING STATE STATUTE. THE OLDER GALLERY CRA BUDGET IS ADOPTED AT THE FUND LEVEL. ORIGINAL ADDITIONAL DETAIL CAN BE FOUND ON PAGES 52 AND 53 OF THE PROPOSED BUDGET BOOK. ON AND ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING ADOPTION OF THE FISCAL YEAR 2027 PROPOSED BUDGET, AS REVISED FOR THE OLDER GALLERY RIVERFRONT COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT FUND IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,306,061. SECOND OH OH, I HAVE SO SO WE WE HAVE THAT. WE HAD A PUBLIC HEARING. THERE IS NO SIGN UP SHEET. SO WE'LL CLOSE IT AND BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL FOR ADOPTION OF 2027. PROPOSED BUDGET AS REVISED FOR THE OLDER RIVERFRONT COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT FUND IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,306,061.22, NO $0.00. SECOND MOTION SECONDED BY MR. SMITH. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE I. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE AYE, AND THAT MOTION PASSES. OKAY. COUNCIL WILL CONVENE NOW AND WE GO TO ITEM EIGHT ADJOURNMENT. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR FOR THIS. AND WE WILL TAKE A TEN MINUTE BREAK. WE'LL DO A TEN MINUTE BREAK AND IT WILL START AT 640. WE'LL * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.