[1. Invocation ​]
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          WELCOME TO THE SEPTEMBER 23RD, 2026 REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING. BEFORE WE BEGIN THE MEETING, WE'LL REVIEW THE PROCEDURES FOR THE MEETING. IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK, COMPLETE A REQUEST TO SPEAK FORM LOCATED AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE COUNCIL CHAMBER AND SUBMIT IT TO THE SERGEANT AT ARMS. WHEN YOUR NAME HAS BEEN CALLED, USE THE MICROPHONE AT THE LECTERN ON THE AUDIENCE'S RIGHT, AND EITHER STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS OR YOUR NAME AND CITY. 
          BE MINDFUL THE TIMER ON THE LECTERN AND WRAP UP YOUR COMMENTS BEFORE THE SPEAKING TIME ENDS. THE TIME LIMITS ARE POSTED ON THE REQUEST TO SPEAK FORM AN APPLICANT, REPRESENTATIVE, OR PERSON OF THE LEGAL STANDING TO SUPPORT OR OPPOSE A QUASI JUDICIAL MATTER WILL BE PERMITTED ENOUGH TIME, AS DETERMINED BY THE CITY COUNCIL, TO CREATE A RECORD BEFORE THE COUNCIL. ANY PERSON WHO MAKES A PERSONAL AND OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS OR BECOME BOISTEROUS WHILE ADDRESSING THE CITY COUNCIL WILL BE ORDERED TO LEAVE THE COUNCIL CHAMBER. 
          THANK YOU FOR JOINING US THIS EVENING. WE'LL BEGIN WITH THE INVOCATION. IF YOU WISH TO PARTICIPATE, PLEASE STAND. TONIGHT WILL BE BY VICE MAYOR JULIE KENNEDY. LET US PRAY. 
          HEAVENLY FATHER, WE COME BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING WITH GRATITUDE FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE THE PEOPLE OF MELBOURNE. WE ASK THAT YOU GRANT US WISDOM IN OUR DELIBERATIONS, GRACE IN OUR DISAGREEMENTS, AND SOUND JUDGMENT IN THE DECISIONS WE MAKE. GUIDE THIS COUNCIL TO LEAD WITH INTEGRITY, HUMILITY AND COMPASSION, ALWAYS MINDFUL OF THE TRUST PLACED IN US BY THOSE WE SERVE. WATCH OVER OUR RESIDENTS, OUR CITY STAFF, OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, AND ALL THOSE WHO DEDICATE THEMSELVES TO THE WELL-BEING OF OUR COMMUNITY. 
          MAY OUR WORDS AND ACTIONS TONIGHT REFLECT THE SPIRIT OF COOPERATION, RESPECT, AND SERVICE. AMEN. AMEN. PLEASE JOIN US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. MISTER SMITH, WOULD YOU ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS? ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. ITEM NUMBER THREE. ROLL CALL, PLEASE. COUNCIL MEMBER. SMITH HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER. LARUSSO. 
          PRESENT. COUNCIL MEMBER. NEWMAN HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER. BASSETT HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER. HANLEY HERE. VICE MAYOR. KENNEDY HERE. MAYOR ALFREY. AND I AM HERE. ITEM NUMBER FOUR. PROCLAMATION, 
          [4. Proclamations and Presentations]
PROCLAMATION AND PRESENTATION, I HAVE ONE. THIS WILL BE A PROCLAMATION DECLARING CYBERSECURITY AWARENESS MONTH. KEVIN BYRNE. AND STAFF. CORRECT. ALL RIGHT. PERFECT. YOU KNOW WHY YOU'RE HERE. WE'RE PROBABLY GETTING HACKED RIGHT NOW. I'D SAY THAT. RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. SO IT'S A PROCLAMATION. CITY OF MELBOURNE, WHERE THE CITY OF MELBOURNE RELIES HEAVILY ON DIGITAL INFORMATION SYSTEMS, TECHNOLOGY AND THE INTERNET TO DELIVER EFFICIENT AND ESSENTIAL SERVICES TO OUR RESIDENTS. AND WHEREAS MAINTAINING A SECURE DIGITAL ENVIRONMENT PROTECTS OUR CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE, LOCAL ECONOMY, PUBLIC SAFETY AND PRIVATE DATA FROM EVOLVING CYBER THREATS. AND WHEREAS CYBERSECURITY IS A SHARED RESPONSIBILITY AND EVERY CITIZEN, BUSINESS AND COMMUNITY INSTITUTION PLAYS A CRITICAL ROLE IN PRACTICING GOOD DENTAL HYGIENE. AND WHEREAS SIMPLE STEPS SUCH AS STRONG PASSWORDS ENABLING MULTI-FACTOR AUTHENTICATION, UPDATING SOFTWARE REGULARLY, REGULARLY, AND RECOGNIZING PHISHING ATTEMPTS GREATLY IMPROVE OUR COLLECTIVE SECURITY POSTURE. AND WHEREAS NATIONAL AND LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS JOIN TOGETHER EVERY OCTOBER TO PROMOTE ONLINE SAFETY, EDUCATION AND AWARENESS. 
          NOW THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT I, MAYOR, CITY OF MELBOURNE, BALLARD COUNTY, FLORIDA DO HEREBY PROCLAIM OCTOBER 2026 AS CYBERSECURITY AWARENESS MONTH IN THE CITY OF MELBOURNE AND ENCOURAGE ALL RESIDENTS, LOCAL BUSINESSES, SCHOOLS AND COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS TO OBSERVE THIS MONTH BY REVIEWING THEIR DIGITAL FOOTPRINTS, ADOPTING STRONGER SECURITY HABITS, AND PARTICIPATING IN CYBER SAFETY EDUCATION. WITNESS MY HAND. THE CITY OF MELBOURNE IS 23RD DAY OF SEPTEMBER 2026. MAYOR. SO I'M GOING TO HAVE YOU SAY A FEW WORDS AND I KNOW IF YOU IF YOU WOULD, AND TALK ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE BECAUSE I KNOW YOU'RE CONSTANTLY SENDING US EMAILS AND INFORMATION ABOUT THE THREATS THAT WE THAT WE HAVE. SO I'M GOING TO HAND THE MIC TO YOU. ALL RIGHT. I'M HOWARD CHEATHAM. I'M HERE. I'M THE INFORMATION SYSTEM SECURITY OFFICER FOR THE CITY OF MELBOURNE. I'D LIKE TO THANK THE MAYOR AND THE CITY COUNCIL FOR RECOGNIZING CYBERSECURITY AWARENESS MONTH. CYBERSECURITY HAS BECOME AN IMPORTANT PART OF OUR. HOW WE PROTECT THE SERVICES THE CITY PROVIDES TO 
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OUR COMMUNITY. WHILE TECHNOLOGY AND THREATS WE FACE CONTINUE TO CHANGE, CYBERSECURITY REMAINS A SHARED RESPONSIBILITY. OUR CYBERSECURITY AWARENESS TRAINING FOR CITY EMPLOYEES STARTS OCTOBER 5TH, AND THROUGHOUT THE MONTH, WE'LL BE PROVIDING INFORMATION AND ACTIVITIES TO HELP REINFORCE GOOD CYBERSECURITY PRACTICES. THE THEME THIS YEAR IS DON'T MAKE IT EASY FOR THEM. I HAVE TO WORK. MAKE THEM WORK TO. CYBER CRIMINALS ARE OFTEN LOOKING FOR THE EASIEST OPPORTUNITY IN TAKING TO. AND JUST TAKING JUST A FEW EXTRA SECONDS TO STOP, LOOK, AND QUESTION. SOMETHING CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BOTH WORK AND AT HOME. AND I ALSO WANT TO THANK THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL FOR CONTINUED SUPPORT OF THE CITY CYBERSECURITY PROGRAM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND WE'LL GO AHEAD AND PROCLAMATION. TAKE ONE OVER HERE. SMILE. HE DOES CYBERSECURITY. HE'S LIKE NO. WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND APPRECIATE FOR WHAT YOU ALL DO. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. I'M GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 
          [5. Approval of Minutes - September 9, 2026 Budget Public Hearing and September 9, 2026 Regular Meeting]
FIVE. APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF SEPTEMBER 9TH, 2026 BUDGET PUBLIC HEARING AND THE SEPTEMBER 9TH, 2026 REGULAR MEETING. MAYOR, DO YOU HAVE TO BE APPROVED, MOVE TOGETHER OR SEPARATE? YOU CAN. YOU CAN DO THEM TOGETHER. MAYOR. I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE SEPTEMBER 9TH, 2026 BUDGET PUBLIC HEARING AND ALSO THE SEPTEMBER 9TH, 2026 REGULAR MEETING MINUTES. 
          SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION. SECOND, BY MR. NEWMAN. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. 
          [6. City Manager's Report]
ANY OPPOSED? AND I VOTE AYE. AND THAT MOTION PASSES. MOVING ON. ITEM NUMBER SIX. CITY MANAGER'S REPORT. YES. I JUST WANT TO THIS IS IN THE WRITTEN REPORT. HOWEVER, I DID WANT TO STATE THAT PROVIDENCE CONNECTS, WHO HAD PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION FOR A DECLARATION OF CRITICAL COMMUNITY NEED, AND WE POSTPONED THAT ON AUGUST 11TH. THEY HAVE WITHDRAWN THEIR APPLICATION AFTER COMING TO OUR OUR BUDGET MEETINGS AND AFTER HEARING WHAT OUR FUNDING WAS LIKE THAT YEAR. AND IF YOU RECALL, HE DID DID REQUEST THAT IF WE DID FIND ADDITIONAL FUNDING, IF WE WE WE KEPT THEM IN MIND. SO I DID WANT TO POINT THAT OUT. THAT'S WHY YOU ONLY SEE ONE OF THEM ON THIS AGENDA THAT THE WRITTEN REPORT ALSO INCLUDES SEVERAL EVENTS THAT WE WILL BE HAVING IN THE NEXT OR BEFORE THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. SO PLEASE KEEP THAT IN MIND. 
          AND THEN THERE IS ONE MORE EVENT. IT'S A LITTLE FAR IN ADVANCE, BUT I DID WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON ONE OF OUR PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEETINGS. COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH BROUGHT UP THE PURPLE HEART CITY, AND SO HE PROVIDED ME THE CONTACT AND I HAVE BEEN IN OR BEEN WORKING WITH COMMANDER KEITH VAN BUREN AND WE WILL BE. WE'RE PLANNING TO DO A PROCLAMATION ON NOVEMBER 10TH, WHICH IS VERY GOOD TIMING BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT BEFORE VETERAN'S DAY. SO AT THAT COUNCIL MEETING, WE WILL BE DOING A PROCLAMATION FOR A PURPLE HEART CITY. AWESOME. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? JUST SAY, MISTER SMITH, THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE POINT AND LEADING ON THAT. THAT THAT'S VERY, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, VETERAN, A VETERAN. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ALL EVEN EVERYBODY ON THIS COUNCIL SUPPORTS OUR VETERANS AND GREATLY APPRECIATE IT. WELL DONE. YEAH. WELL DONE. ABSOLUTELY. ANYTHING ELSE? ONE THING FROM MY REPORT. WE ARE GOING TO DO THE UNVEILING OF THE FOUNDER'S PORTRAIT ON OCTOBER 13TH. THAT IS IN THE CITY, THE CITY MANAGER'S REPORT. SO WE'RE GOING TO START THAT AT 6 P.M. HERE IN THE IN THE CHAMBER. SO I THINK WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THAT OUT. 
          WHICH DAY IS THIS? TUESDAY, OCTOBER THE 13TH, 6 P.M. HERE IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS? THAT'S THE FIRST MEETING OF OCTOBER. IT'S THE SAME NIGHT AT 6:00. YEAH. I'M LIKE WRITING IT DOWN. 
          OKAY. THAT'S HELPFUL. YES, IT'LL BE HERE. GOOD TIMING. AND WE HAD A MEETING WITH THE CITY CLERK. AND THE WAY THAT'S GOING TO WORK IS WE'LL HAVE THEM IN THE CHAMBER. THE LOCATION WILL BE WHERE THEY'LL BE PLACED IN THE HALLWAY, BUT WE WILL UNVEIL THEM HERE IN THE CHAMBER. AND WORDS FROM THE MAYOR AND A FEW OTHERS. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY, WE'RE MOVING ON TO 
          [7. Public Comments]
ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, PUBLIC COMMENT. AND WE HAVE A COUPLE. WE'LL START OUT WITH JOHNNY FORD, FOLLOWED BY BILL BROWN. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. MY NAME IS JOHNNY FORD. I AM THE DIRECTOR OF OPERATIONS AT THE ARC OF THE SPACE COAST, AND THE PROGRAM DIRECTOR FOR PATRIOT HOUSE, A TRANSITION HOME FOR HOMELESS VETERANS LOCATED AT TWO, 452 
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SAINTS WITHIN LANE HERE IN MELBOURNE. I'M HERE REGARDING A BEAUTIFICATION PROJECT COMPLETED NEAR PATRIOT HOUSE AS PART OF HOME DEPOT'S HOMETOWN HEROES PROGRAM. THE ARC RECEIVED A GRANT FOR BEAUTIFICATION PROJECT. THEY GENEROUSLY VOLUNTEERED THEIR TIME, LABOR AND MATERIALS TO IMPROVE A PARCEL OF LAND LOCATED ACROSS THE STREET FROM PATRIOT HOUSE NAMED PATRIOT PARK. IT WAS BELIEVED THE PROPERTY WAS OWNED BY THE ARC AS WE HAVE BEEN RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING IT FOR MANY YEARS. AS PART OF THE BEAUTIFICATION PROJECT, VOLUNTEERS INSTALLED A SMALL TEN BY TEN PAVER AREA INTENDED TO PROVIDE A SAFE AND PEACEFUL PLACE FOR VETERANS AND INDIVIDUALS TO SIT. FOLLOWING A COMPLAINT FROM THE CITY CODE AND TO THE CITY CODE ENFORCEMENT, WE LEARNED THE PAVERS REQUIRE PERMIT AND HAVE TO BE REMOVED BECAUSE OF PERMIT WAS NOT OBTAINED BEFORE THE WORK WAS COMPLETED. WE UNDERSTAND AND RESPECT THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY TO ENFORCE ITS CODES, AND WE'RE NOT ASKING TO AVOID PERMITTING, AVOID THE PERMITTING OR INSPECTION PROCESS. INSTEAD, WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST A REASONABLE SOLUTION THAT WOULD ALLOW THE PAVERS TO REMAIN IN PLACE WHILE THE ARC OF THE SPACE COAST AND OR THE CITY COMPLETE THE APPROPRIATE PERMIT, APPLICATION INSPECTION AND NECESSARY CORRECTIONS REQUIRING THE REMOVAL OF THE PAVERS, ONLY TO REINSTALL THEM AFTER A PERMIT IS APPROVED WOULD CREATE UNNECESSARY WORK, ADDITIONAL COSTS AND POSSIBLE DAMAGE TO DONATED MATERIALS. THIS WAS A GOOD FAITH COMMUNITY SERVICE PROJECT COMPLETED FOR BEAUTIFICATION, NOT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT OR AN ATTEMPT TO DISREGARD CITY REQUIREMENTS. THE PROJECT SUPPORTS PROPERTY MAINTAINED BY THE ARC AND SITS ACROSS FROM A HOME SERVING VETERANS WHO HAVE EXPERIENCED HOMELESSNESS. HOMELESSNESS. THE SITTING AREA CONTRIBUTES TO A CLEANER, MORE WELCOMING ENVIRONMENT FOR THE RESIDENTS AND THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY. WE'RE ASKING THE CITY COUNCIL AND APPROPRIATE CITY DEPARTMENTS TO CONSIDER AN ADMINISTRATIVE HOLD AFTER THE FACT, PERMIT, INSPECTION OR OTHER ALLOWABLE REMEDY THAT WOULD PREVENT THE PAVERS FROM BEING REMOVED WHILE THE PROJECT IS BROUGHT INTO FULL COMPLIANCE. IF MODIFICATIONS ARE NEEDED FOR SAFETY, DRAINAGE, ACCESSIBILITY SETBACKS OR ANY OTHER CODE REQUIREMENT, WE ARE WILLING TO COOPERATE AND MAKE THOSE CORRECTIONS. WE APPRECIATE THIS COUNCIL'S TIME AND HOPE WE CAN PURSUE A PRACTICAL WORKAROUND, AND WE RESPECTFULLY ASK THE CITY TO HELP IDENTIFY APPROPRIATE PROCESS. OUR GOAL IS TO COMPLY WITH THE CITY REQUIREMENTS WHILE PRESERVING THE CHARITABLE WORK AND RESOURCES ALREADY CONTRIBUTED TO THIS COMMUNITY PROJECT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, CONSIDERATION AND CONTINUED SUPPORT OF OUR VETERANS AND COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS. THANK YOU SIR. MISS LAMB. YES WE CAN. WE CAN DEFINITELY WORK IN CONJUNCTION WITH THEM TO GET AFTER THE FACT PERMITS AND TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS IN COMPLIANCE. AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WILL COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS FOR AND SEE IF WE CAN EITHER ALLOW IT TO STAY OR JUST MINOR MODIFICATIONS. YES. OKAY. AND COUNCIL, WE WE WE'RE ALL GOOD WITH THIS, I'M SURE. DEFINITELY. GOOD. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD COUNCIL'S CONSENSUS. YES, SIR. 
          YES, SIR. AND THE INFORMATION'S HERE. MISS LAMB AND THE SIGN UP SHEET THAT WE NEED THAT MR. SMITH. JOHNNY. I'VE KNOWN HIM FOR YEARS. WE BOTH WORKED OVER AT PATRICK, AND HE CALLED ME ABOUT THIS. AND I THANK YOU FOR COMING HERE AND PRESENTING THIS. AND THANK YOU, MISS LAMB, FOR HEARING THIS OUT. SO GET WITH THE CITY STAFF AND LET'S SEE, I THINK THAT WE CAN WORK THIS OUT. 
          AND THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO WITH THE ART OF SPACE COAST AND WITH THE VETERANS. SO LET'S SEE IF WE CAN WORK THIS OUT. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU. BILL BROWN, FOLLOWED BY GEORGE WHITTON. OKAY. THANK YOU. I WAS HERE A MONTH AGO. AND BILL BROWN, I WANTED TO THANK COUNCILWOMAN HANLEY FOR COMING TO THE CAPERNAUM HOUSE. THERE ARE A FEW MONTHS AGO, WHICH IS A PROGRAM TO HELP FOSTER KIDS THAT ARE AGING OUT OF THE SYSTEM. AND I FORGOT TO MENTION A THANK YOU TO THAT. BUT ON OUR PREVIOUS SUBJECT, WE WERE DISCUSSING, OR AT LEAST I WAS COMMENTING REGARDING OPPOSING THE SPACE COAST PRIDE FEST. AND AT THAT TIME THERE WERE A COUPLE OTHER. WELL, THERE WAS ANOTHER GENTLEMAN WHO SPOKE UP, BUT COUNCILMAN LARUSSO, YOU SAID THAT WE ARE NOT PAYING FOR THAT. AND I SENT AN EMAIL TO YOU AND THE COUNCIL REGARDING THE SUBSIDIZING OF THE OF THE AUDITORIUM, BECAUSE IN THE COMING BUDGET, WHICH I WAS GLAD THAT YOU MODIFIED IT. IT'S 230 SOME THOUSAND DOLLARS THIS YEAR. WE'RE SUBSIDIZING THE BUDGET, I MEAN, NEXT YEAR, BUT THIS YEAR IT'S $444,000 OF A LOSS IN LACK OF. BECAUSE THE REVENUES DO NOT MEET THE EXPENSES. WOULD YOU 
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CONTINUE TO SAY THAT WE ARE NOT PAYING? THE TAXPAYERS ARE NOT PAYING ANYTHING TOWARD THIS EVENT? WELL, I HAD MAYOR. YEAH, I HAD A LONG CONVERSATION WITH THE CITY MANAGER. AND I THINK THAT SHE SHE HAS SHE AND OUR STAFF HAS WRITTEN UP A, A COMPLETE SURVEY AND UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THAT ACTUALLY ENTAILS. WOULD YOU MIND, MISS LIAM? I DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING IN WRITING RIGHT NOW. HOWEVER, I DO WANT TO SAY WE DO OPERATE MOST OF OUR FACILITIES WITH. THERE ARE EXPENSES THAT NOT. NOT ALL ACTIVITIES COVER THE TOTAL COST OF THE BUILDING. 
          AS WE'VE TALKED BEFORE AT COUNCIL MEETINGS, WE ARE LOOKING TO INCREASE FEES AND TO. 
          NOT JUST WITH THE AUDITORIUM, BUT ALL THE FACILITIES AND STILL KEEP US WITHIN REASON OF MARKET RATE OF WHAT IT COSTS TO RENT FACILITIES AT DIFFERENT TIMES WITH THE AUDITORIUM. AND IT'S BEING AN AGING STRUCTURE THAT I BELIEVE THAT THIS YEAR'S INCREASED BUDGET OR INCREASED AMOUNT OF GENERAL FUND IS TO PROVIDE FOR SOME REPAIRS OF THAT. BUT WE ARE CONSTANTLY LOOKING AT OUR OUR FEES AND, YOU KNOW, SEEING HOW WE CAN MAKE IT SO THAT WE ARE IN A BREAK EVEN APPROACH AS YOU AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, WE'RE NOT FULL ALL THE TIME. AND WE HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR SOME OF THAT. IT IS A CITY BUILDING, AND WE DO HAVE SOME JUST COSTS THAT CAN'T BE COVERED. WELL. AND ACTUALLY, I WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT REAL QUICK BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD. 
          YOU KNOW, THIS, THAT AUDITORIUM IS FOR THE PEOPLE. YES. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. HOLD ON SIR. I'M SPEAKING RIGHT NOW. OKAY. BECAUSE THE MINUTE SOMEONE TRIED TO TAKE WITH THE SAME ARGUMENT, MY GUN SHOWS AWAY. I'M NOT GOING TO BE TOO HAPPY, BECAUSE THAT'S A GOOD ARGUMENT ON THE OTHER SIDE TO SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU DO GUN SHOWS. DO YOU DO WRESTLING? WHAT IF YOU DON'T LIKE WRESTLING? DO DO WE SAY, WELL, BECAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING THAT GOES ON IN AN EVENT THERE. WE WE DON'T HAVE IT. I'M SURE YOU AND I SEE EYE TO EYE ON MOST THINGS, BUT I WILL TELL YOU, YOU KNOW, WE SAY THAT ABOUT THE POOLS BECAUSE MOST POOLS I KNOW WERE PROBABLY RUNNING AT A LOSS. OR WHAT ABOUT OUR BASKETBALL COURTS? THEY'RE RUNNING AT A LOSS, UNFORTUNATELY. SO THAT KIND OF ARGUMENT THAT WE ARE SUBSIDIZING SOMETHING, IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. AND YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO HAVE A, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER YOU WANT. WE THAT THAT'S THE GOOD GOVERNMENT IS PROTECTING THE U.S. CONSTITUTION, WHETHER YOU LIKE IT, THE LANGUAGE OR YOU LIKE IT OR NOT, AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T BREAK THE LAW, YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S WHERE. AND I WILL TELL YOU AS MAYOR AS WHY I'M MAYOR WILL WILL PROTECT THE CONSTITUTION AND EVERYONE'S RIGHTS, WHETHER YOU LIKE WHAT THEY DO OR NOT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO ATTEND. SO THIS WHOLE IDEA THAT WE'RE SUBSIDIZING SOMETHING AND, AND THEREFORE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE WE'RE PUSHING FOR IT IS NOT TRUE BECAUSE AGAIN, WE HAVE MORE GUN SHOWS THERE THAN WE DO PRIDE SHOWS. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY, SIR, TO YOUR QUESTION. YES, SIR. 
          THE THE DEFICIT THAT YOU SEE IS FOR MAINTENANCE. SO WHEN WHENEVER THE GUN SHOW OR THE PRIDE OR WHATEVER, THE RUMMAGE SALES OR ANYTHING, THEY PAY FOR ALL THE FEES THAT REQUIRES THE, THE POLICE, THE FIRE, THE STOPPING OF THE STREETS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE STAFF TO BE THERE, THE STAFF TO PLACE AS WELL TOO. SO THAT'S WHAT I MEANT WHEN I SAID WE'RE NOT SUBSIDIZING THEM. SO WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT WITH THE $400,000 IS A, IS AN ISSUE THAT WE'VE BEEN FIGHTING FOR A LOT OF YEARS, IS TRYING TO GET FUNDING TO, TO JUST BRING THAT, THAT PLACE UP TO SPEED AGAIN. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT STAGE ROPES. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE THE STAGE ITSELF IS ROTTING AWAY IN THE BACK. SO THOSE ARE THE DEFICITS WHERE YOU SEE BECAUSE WE KEEP PUSHING IT OFF, PUSHING IT OFF, PUSHING OFF IN EVERY IN EVERY BUDGET. SO THAT'S WHAT I MEANT WHEN I SAID THAT WE'RE NOT SUBSIDIZED. WE'RE NOT SUBSIDIZING ANY SHOW. 
          MISTER. ANYBODY THERE? MR. RUSSO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO EXPLAIN YOURSELF. WE COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU MEANT BY IT. YOU KNOW, YOU'RE THE LONGEST SITTING MEMBER ON THIS COUNCIL, SERVING FOR 16 YEARS. AND THE FACT IS, YOU KNOW HOW THE CITY OPERATES. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, WE CUT FUNDING FOR PARADES OFF. I MEAN, WE DON'T GIVE MONEY FOR PARADES. 
          SO THIS RUNNING THIS CITY RUNS VERY LEAN. YOU KNOW, THIS CITY, ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS, WHETHER WE AGREE, WHETHER YOU'RE ON THIS SIDE OR THAT SIDE OF THE AISLE, I MEAN, WE FORGAVE ANY WE FOREGO ANY SALARY INCREASES, HOW MINOR OR SMALL THEY ARE TO PUT THEM IN KIDS SUMMER CAMPS. 
          SO I WANT TO TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, THAT'S HOW WE OPERATE UP HERE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. OKAY, SO I JUST WANT TO SAY I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SUBSIDIZING THESE THINGS. I'M JUST SAYING THAT IT'S TAKING PLACE ON CITY PROPERTY. THEREFORE, WE'RE INVOLVED WITH IT AND IT ENCOURAGES TRANSGENDER. I'M SORRY ABOUT THE LITTLE COURSE TODAY. IT ENCOURAGES TRANSGENDERISM OF CHILDREN. AND, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S A BIG ISSUE IN OUR CULTURE. DO 
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YOU SUPPORT THAT? HAVING ON OUR PUBLIC AS OPPOSED TO GOING TO SOME PRIVATE VENUE WITH, LIKE YOU SAID, FREEDOM OF THE CONSTITUTION. BUT DO YOU, MAYOR ALFREY SUPPORT TRANSGENDERING OF CHILDREN ON PUBLIC PROPERTY? I THINK THAT'S A DUMB QUESTION. THANK YOU FOR YOUR. HOLD ON. 
          I'M GOING TO ANSWER BECAUSE. NO, I'M GOING TO. BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT? I THINK THAT'S A DUMB QUESTION BECAUSE I YOU KNOW, I DO NOT SUPPORT THAT, YOU KNOW, AT ALL. BUT AGAIN, I DO SUPPORT THE US CONSTITUTION. AND THE PROBLEM WITH POLITICS, IT'S ONE SIDE VERSUS THE OTHER. WE HAVE TO FIGHT. THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS COUNCIL OR ME AS MAYOR RUNNING THIS DAIS IS GOING TO DO. WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS ON BEING OPEN GOVERNMENT AND ALLOWING PEOPLE TO LIVE THEIR LIVES. IF SOMEBODY BREAKS A LAW, WE HAVE AN AMAZING POLICE FORCE. WE HAVE AMAZING POLICE CHIEF. 
          WE'LL HANDLE THAT. I WILL TELL YOU THAT I DO NOT SUPPORT IT, YOU KNOW, AND AND AGAIN, BUT I DO SUPPORT THE US CONSTITUTION, SOMETHING I SERVED THIS MILITARY TO DEFEND AND SERVE THIS CITY AS A POLICE OFFICER. SO I SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION OVER YOUR YOUR OPINION, SIR. 
          OKAY. WELL, IT'S ON PUBLIC PROPERTY. TAXPAYER PROPERTY. THANK YOU SIR. OKAY. WELL THANK YOU. HAVE A GOOD HAVE A GOOD DAY. NEXT, GEORGE WITTON, FOLLOWED BY CHARLES TUCKER. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. FIRST OFF, I WANT TO SAY I DON'T HATE ANYONE THAT STRUGGLES WITH IDENTITY. I DO BELIEVE THAT GOD CREATED US, MALE AND FEMALE, ON PURPOSE. 
          AND I DO BELIEVE THAT LOVE SPEAKING TRUTH WHILE EVERY TRICK OR TREATING TRUTH WITH DIGNITY TO EVERY PERSON WITH LOVE AND COMPASSION. BUT LOVE ALSO MEANS PROTECTING CHILDREN. 
          ADULTS CAN MAKE THEIR OWN DECISIONS ABOUT WHAT EVENTS THEY CAN TEND. CHILDREN ARE DIFFERENT. THEY'RE IMPRESSIONABLE, AND THE ADULTS ENTRUSTED WITH THEIR CARE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO GUARD WHAT THEY'RE EXPOSED TO. THIS IS ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT WHEN AN EVENT IS PRESENTED PUBLICLY AND CHILDREN ARE EXPECTED OR ENCOURAGED TO ATTEND. NOW, FLORIDA LAW SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSES THE EXPOSURE OF CHILDREN TO CERTAIN LIVE PERFORMANCES. FLORIDA STATUTE 827.11 SAYS EXPOSING CHILDREN TO AN ADULT LIVE PERFORMANCE PROVIDES THAT A PERSON MAY NOT KNOWINGLY ADMIT A CHILD TO AN ADULT. LIVE PERFORMANCE. THE STATUTE DEFINES THAT TERM TO INCLUDE QUALIFYING LIVE PRESENTATIONS INVOLVING NUDITY, SEXUAL CONDUCT, SEXUAL EXCITEMENT, SPECIFIED SEXUAL ACTIVITIES, LEWD CONDUCT OR LEWD EXPOSURE SUBJECT TO ADDITIONAL STANDARDS CONTAINED IN THE STATUTE. A VIOLATION IS A FIRST DEGREE MISDEMEANOR. SO I'M ASKING THE CITY COUNCIL TO EXAMINE THIS EVENT IN CAREFULLY IN LIGHT OF FLORIDA STATUTE 82711. AND IF THE PLAN PERFORMS THIS FALL WITHIN THAT STATUTE PROHIBITS FOR CHILDREN NOT TO PERMIT THE EVENT TO PROCEED IN A MANNER THAT EXPOSES CHILDREN IN THAT MATERIAL. BUT BEYOND THE LAW, THERE'S A MORAL RESPONSIBILITY. THERE'S AN OLD SAYING WHAT YOU PERMIT IS WHAT YOU PROMOTE. AND WHEN THE GOVERNMENT LENDS ITS APPROVAL AND A PUBLIC SPACE IS SOMETHING PRESENTED BEFORE FAMILIES AND CHILDREN, IT SENDS A MESSAGE ABOUT WHAT THE COMMUNITY CONSIDERS ACCEPTABLE. NOW, I'M A CHRISTIAN, AND JESUS GAVE ME A SOBERING WARNING CONCERNING CHILDREN. IF ANYONE CAUSES ONE OF THESE LITTLE ONES TO STUMBLE, IT'S BETTER FOR HIM TO HAVE A LARGE MILLSTONE HUNG AROUND HIS NECK. WOE TO THOSE WHOM THOSE OFFENSES COME. SO THE PROTECTING OF INNOCENT CHILDREN IS NOT HATRED. WE CAN LOVE OUR NEIGHBORS, DISAGREE ABOUT PROFOUND MORAL QUESTIONS, AND STILL DRAW A FIRM BOUNDARY AROUND OUR CHILDREN. AND SO FOR THIS REASON, I'M ASKING THE CITY COUNCIL TO CANCEL THIS EVENT ACCORDING TO FLORIDA STATUTE 827.11, WHERE CHILDREN ARE PERMITTED TO ATTEND. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU SIR. CHARLES TUCKER. FOLLOWED BY MAJOR WASHINGTON. THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU GUYS FOR ALL YOU DO. AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE OPINIONS AND ALL THE LIFESTYLES AND EVERYTHING ELSE. AND I DIDN'T SPEAK TO GEORGE. HE'S A LITTLE MORE TECHNICAL AND A LITTLE HIGHER LEVEL THAN I AM. MY QUESTION IS, WHAT'S THE AGE THAT WE ALLOW CHILDREN INTO STRIP CLUBS? DO WE ALLOW CHILDREN INTO STRIP CLUBS, STRIP CLUBS IN THE CITY OF MELBOURNE? YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE STRIP CLUBS IN CITY MELBOURNE. WE WE HAVE ADULT ORDINANCE. 
          OKAY. WELL, GENERALLY SPEAKING, YOU KNOW, THE STATE OF FLORIDA. DO WE TAKE THE STRIP CLUBS OUT 
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ON THE STREET? ARE THERE SEXUAL ACTIVITIES IN THIS PARADE AND IN THE ACTIVITIES OF THIS. AND THAT'S WHAT I HEARD GEORGE SPEAKING ABOUT IS THE IS THERE IS THERE ADULT PHYSICAL INTIMACY IN IN THESE IN THESE EVENTS? HOW WHAT'S THE AGE THAT WE LET CHILDREN IN BARS. WHAT'S THE AGE THAT THEY CAN WALK IN AND LET ME DATE MYSELF. CAN. CAN THEY WALK INTO A 7-ELEVEN AND BUY PORNOGRAPHY MAGAZINES? HOW OLD DO YOU HAVE TO BE? HOW OLD DO YOU HAVE TO BE TO BUY NUDE PICTURES? PEOPLE TOPLESS? YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE SOUTH BEACH HERE EITHER. AND THAT'S NOT JUST THERE'S A LOT OF SOUTH BEACHES, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT EITHER HERE. SO IS THIS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO AND WHAT'S THE AGE LIMIT? I MEAN THAT'S JUST MY TAKE ON IT. AND I GOT A QUESTION FOR YOU, SIR. DO YOU TRUST OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT? I DO, AND OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT WILL BE THERE. I HOPE SO. THAT'S GOOD. I'LL BE THERE. I'M JUST SAYING. ARE WE MADE IT PERFECTLY CLEAR. 
          I'VE MADE IT PERFECTLY CLEAR. AND YOU CAN RUN YOUR VIDEOS FOR YOUR, YOU KNOW, YOUR FOR WHATEVER, I DON'T CARE. PUT ME ON ANY KIND OF MEME. BUT I'VE ALREADY MADE IT PERFECTLY CLEAR IF ANY OF THIS NONSENSE GOES ON WHERE YOU'RE WHAT YOU'RE ALLEGING OF GROOMING CHILDREN OR SOMETHING, I EXPECT THEM TO BE ARRESTED. I'LL BE THE COMPLAINANT. OKAY. BUT WHAT I WILL NOT HAVE IS A VIOLATION OF CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS IN THE CITY OF MELBOURNE. I'VE LIVED IN KEY WEST. EXCUSE ME? I'VE LIVED IN KEY WEST. OKAY. OKAY, SO I'VE LIVED FROM NORTH FLORIDA TO VERY TIPPY TIPPY SOUTH FLORIDA. SO YOU CAN SAY THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE LAW ENFORCEMENT THERE. YOU KNOW, WHAT'S SEEN CAN'T BE UNSEEN. SO I'M JUST SAYING THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME LIMITS. AND I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT SIMPLE AGE LIMITS. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. 
          CHARLES TUCKER. YEAH, YEAH. MAJOR WASHINGTON. YEAH. THANK YOU. MAJOR WASHINGTON, I THINK I THOUGHT I WAS HIM. OKAY. HEY. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. MY NAME IS MAJOR WASHINGTON, AND I LIVE IN VERANDA PLACE COMMUNITY OFF OF TURTLE MOUNTAIN ROAD. 
          AND I ENJOY WALKING IN MY COMMUNITY AND OUTSIDE OF MY COMMUNITY VARIOUS TIMES. I WOULD LIKE TO BRING A PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERN TO THE ATTENTION REGARDING THE SIDEWALK ALONG UGALI AND BETWEEN TURTLE MOUNTAIN ROAD AND PINEWOOD ROAD, MAINLY BETWEEN DISCOVER LIFE CHURCH AND PEMBROOK ROAD. OKAY, THE TREE LIMBS, THE PLANT STEMS AND BUSHES HAVE BECOME OVERGROWN AND EXTENDING ONTO AND ACROSS THE SIDEWALK. I HAVE WITNESSED CHILDREN RIDING THEIR BICYCLES TO SCHOOL. PARENTS PUSHING BABY STROLLERS, PEDESTRIANS AND PEOPLE RIDING ELECTRIC BICYCLES, HAVING TO DODGE, DUCK AND STOP TO ALLOW OTHERS TO PASS. BECAUSE OF THIS. 
          OTHER. OVER THE ROAD, THEY ALSO RISK BEING STRUCK IN THE FACE HEAD BY OVERGROWN TREE LIMBS. 
          THIS IS A SERIOUS SAFETY HAZARD THAT COULD RESULT IN SOMEONE BEING INJURED OR FORCED OFF INTO THE SIDEWALK, ONTO ONCOMING TRAFFIC. I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THE APPROPRIATE CITY COUNCIL CITY DEPARTMENT INSPECT THIS AREA AND HAVE THE OVERGROWN AREA VEGETATION CUT BACK AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION AND PROMPT ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER. THANK YOU. NOW, REAL QUICK, WHAT STREETS WERE THAT? THAT WAS. I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. TURTLE MOUND. YES. BETWEEN TURTLE MOUND AND PINEWOOD ROAD IS NEAR ARTIST. WHAT'S THE GROCERY STORE? YES. DISCOVERY. DISCOVERY AND AND BASICALLY ALL THE WAY UP TO WICKHAM. JUST ABOUT. BUT IT'S PINEWOOD ROAD IS BETWEEN THAT. IT'S ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT IS THAT I WOULD I THINK I THINK IT'S PINEWOOD AND TURTLE MOUND. YEAH. 
          IT'S PINEWOOD PINEWOOD AND IT'S A DOT RIGHT OF WAY. AND I, I NEED TO CHECK ON IT. I THINK IT IS DOT MAINTENANCE, BUT I WILL VERIFY THAT THEY'RE NOT JUST CURB TO CURB THERE. YEAH. I WAS WONDERING AND MAJOR WASHINGTON REACHED OUT TO ME AND HE AND I, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES, BUT HE SAID THAT HE HAS TAKEN UPON HIMSELF A FEW TIMES, I THINK, TO CUT BACK SOME OF THE. 
          YES. YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. YEAH. WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND SEE. 
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BUT YOU KNOW, BEING DOT, WE CAN SEE WHAT WE CAN TRY TO DO WITH THAT. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. 
          THANK YOU. YEP. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO SPEAK? OKAY. I'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT ITEM SEVEN. JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW WE'LL DO ITEM EIGHT. AND THEN I'M GOING TO MOVE UP ITEM NUMBER 13 AFTER EIGHT. SO WE'LL GO INTO UNFINISHED BUSINESS ITEM NUMBER 
          [8. Declaration of Critical Community Need for Eau Gallie Arts District (EGAD) Main Street, Inc. in Fiscal Year 2026-2027. (Postponed 8/11/2026)]
EIGHT REPORTING ON THIS MISS TIP. GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. CITY COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. SO THIS ITEM WAS POSTPONED FROM THE AUGUST 11TH AGENDA. SO I'LL JUST GIVE A REAL BRIEF OVERVIEW OF WHAT COUNCIL IS CONSIDERING FOR THIS ITEM. THIS IS A REQUEST TO CONSIDER A DECLARATION OF CRITICAL COMMUNITY NEED FOR FUNDING OF A GRANT FOR THE EAU GALLIE ARTS DISTRICT MAIN STREET PROGRAM FOR THE PURPOSE OF REVITALIZING THE MAIN STREET DISTRICT AREA. THE MAIN STREET APPLICATION OUTLINES THEIR ACTIVITIES AND SERVICES WHICH ARE BENEFITING THE CRA AREA AND ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE FLORIDA STATUTE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE STATED WITHIN. EXCUSE ME. CITY COUNCIL'S MADE THIS DECLARATION FOR THE PAST FOUR BUDGET YEARS. THE LAST YEAR WAS AN $85,000 GRANT. THAT'S WHAT IS REQUESTED AGAIN THIS YEAR. TONIGHT'S REALLY THAT FIRST STEP IN CITY COUNCIL DECLARING THE CRITICAL COMMUNITY NEED FOR EGAD. THE SECOND STEP WOULD BE THE FUNDING AGREEMENT RETURNING TO CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL. JUST PREVIOUSLY THIS EVENING, YOU GUYS HAVE HAD THE BUDGET SET FOR EGAD TO RECEIVE THAT FUNDING. THAT'S ANOTHER ONE OF THE CRITICAL PIECES. SO WE'LL EXPECT TO BRING THE FUNDING AGREEMENT FOR EGAD BACK TO CITY COUNCIL AT ONE OF THE OCTOBER MEETINGS. AND THE CRA ADVISORY COMMITTEE DID REVIEW THIS REQUEST. THEY DID RECOMMEND UNANIMOUS APPROVAL THAT COUNCIL CONSIDER THIS THE FUNDING AGREEMENT AND THE GRANT FOR THE EGAD MAIN STREET PROGRAM, AND WITH THAT, STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL REQUESTING THE DECLARATION OF CRITICAL COMMUNITY NEED FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE DOWNTOWN EAU GALLIE AREA THROUGH THE EGADS MAIN STREET PROGRAM. OKAY. THANK YOU, MISS PITTMAN. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS DITTMER? I DO HAVE ONE SIGN UP SHEET. ANNA, DID YOU WANT TO HEAR FOR ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL. MAYOR. GO AHEAD. MR. DECLARATION OF CRITICAL. I REQUESTED ACTION, DECLARATION OF CRITICAL COMMUNITY NEED FOR REDEVELOPMENT EFFORTS IN DOWNTOWN EAU GALLIE. SECOND OF A MOTION, A SECOND BY MR. NEWMAN. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE AYE, AND THAT MOTION PASSES 
          [13. Resolution No. 4444: (Public Hearing) A resolution to rename Melbourne Fire Station 75 to 'Lieutenant Robert Best, Sr. Fire Station'.]
UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 13. I'M GOING TO PULL THAT UP. 
          I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WAITING, AND I'M SURE THEY GOT THINGS TO DO INSTEAD OF SITTING HERE, HERE LISTENING TO US. SO REPORTING ON THIS WILL BE OUR FIRE CHIEF. HOW YOU DOING, MR. LEACH? GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL, AND GOOD EVENING TO THOSE WHO ATTENDED TONIGHT. MY NAME IS SHANE LEACH. I'M THE FIRE CHIEF, THE CITY OF MELBOURNE. IF YOU DON'T KNOW ME. 
          COUNCIL AT THE AUGUST 11TH, 2026 COUNCIL MEETING, COUNCIL MEMBER COUNCIL UNANIMOUSLY SUPPORTED MR. NEWMAN'S RECOMMENDATION TO RENAME FIRE STATION 75 IN HONOR OF LIEUTENANT ROBERT BASS. SENIOR LIEUTENANT BEST SERVED THE MELBOURNE FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR MORE THAN 27 YEARS, AND HE MADE HISTORY AS THE FIRST AFRICAN AMERICAN LIEUTENANT. WITH OUR DEPARTMENT, MYSELF AND OUR DEPARTMENT PROUDLY SUPPORTS THIS RENAMING, AND WE ARE HONORED TO HAVE THE MEMBERS OF THE BEST FAMILY HERE TONIGHT TO HELP US CELEBRATE THIS. SO STAFF HAS ASKED FOR THE APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION 4444. OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. LEACH. AND I SEE, MR. NEWMAN. YOU BROUGHT THIS FORWARD. YOU GOT SOMETHING TO SAY? YEAH. NO, I WANTED TO THANK THE STAFF FOR FINDING THIS OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO HONOR HIM. I'M HAPPY THAT I WAS ABLE TO CONNECT WITH HIS FAMILY, JUST KNOWING THE HISTORY AND THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO IN THE PAST TO DO THIS HAS BEEN VERY TOUCHING TO ME, AND I'M GLAD THAT WE'RE ABLE TO TO MAKE THAT RIGHT BY THIS RENAMING. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. ABSOLUTELY. AND A LOT OF THE THANKS GOES TO HIS SISTER KIM, WHO'S WHO'S HERE. SHE WAS THE ONE THAT KIND OF GOT THIS THIS BALL ROLLING. 
          SO WE APPRECIATE THE BEST FAMILY BEING HERE TONIGHT. WE REALLY DO. OKAY. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE ANY SIGN UP SHEETS? ALL RIGHT. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL. MAYOR, GOOD MOTION FOR THE APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION NUMBER 4444. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND BY MR. SMITH. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE AYE, AND MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS GO AHEAD. AND I THINK HE WAS ALREADY GOING. SORRY, I GOT THIS. I GOT THIS VICE MAYOR. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK SO WE CAN THE FAMILY CAN COME UP, WE'LL TAKE A PICTURE AND THEN WE'LL GO FROM THERE. SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND TAKE A IT'S 701 ACTUALLY. WE'LL TA WHILE. AND, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS THAT WAS GOOD. THAT WORKED. THAT WAS GOOD. THANK YOU FOR CALLING. 
          YEAH, EXACTLY. SO WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND RESUME THE MEETING. AND WE'RE GOING TO 
          [9. Amendment No. 6 to the Professional Engineering Services Contract for Biosolids Improvements at the D. B. Lee and Grant Street Water Reclamation Facilities, Project No. 33519, Infrastructure Solution Services, LLC, Melbourne, FL - $471,785.]
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MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER NINE. REPORT ON THIS AS MISS SPAGNOLI. GOOD EVENING MAYOR COUNCIL. 
          THIS ITEM IS AMENDMENT NUMBER SIX TO THE ENGINEERING SERVICES CONTRACT FOR THE BIOSOLIDS AT D V LEE AND GRANT STREET WATER RECLAMATION FACILITIES. THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN GOING ON SINCE 2024. IT WAS AWARDED BY COUNCIL TO L SEVEN CONSTRUCTION AND THE FOLLOWING MONTH COUNCIL APPROVED THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES CONTRACT FOR THE SERVICES DURING CONSTRUCTION FOR I. S, WHICH IS NOW H.R. GREEN. AND THIS. THE PROJECT'S BEEN ONGOING. IT'S GETTING CLOSE TO COMPLETION WAS SUPPOSED TO BE COMPLETED OCTOBER 31ST OF THIS YEAR, BUT DUE TO SOME DELAYS, MOSTLY EQUIPMENT SUBMITTAL DELAYS OVER TIME, THE CURRENT SCHEDULE LOOKS LIKE IT WILL BE FOUR MONTHS BEYOND THAT. AND SO THIS IS A ADDITIONAL SCOPE OF SERVICES FOR THE CONSULTANT TO STAY ON BOARD AND OVERSEE THE PROJECT THROUGH COMPLETION, WHICH I THINK IS EXPECTED IN FEBRUARY. NOW. AGAIN, A LOT OF IT WAS WHERE THEY EXPECTED THE ORIGINAL NUMBER OF SUBMITTALS THAT WERE ESTIMATED FOR THE CONSULTANT TO REVIEW. AND THE SUBMITTALS COME IN FIRST BEFORE THE EQUIPMENT CAN BE ORDERED. AND THEY HAD A VERY DIFFICULT TIME WITH A LOT OF THE MANUFACTURERS SENDING OVER SUBMITTALS THAT WERE NOT COMPLETE. SO THEN WE WERE REJECTING THEM, WHICH MEANT THE CONTRACTOR HAD TO RESEND THEM BACK AND WAIT ON THE MANUFACTURERS TO SEND THEM BACK OVER. AND THESE ARE LARGE COMPANIES THAT TYPICALLY SUPPLY THIS TYPE OF EQUIPMENT. SO THEY WERE ALL COMPANIES THAT WERE VETTED AHEAD OF TIME. BUT AGAIN, THEY EXPECTED 200 AND THEY HAD 537 WITH BETWEEN SUBMITTALS AND SUBMITTALS. SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT HAS CAUSED THE DELAY. THE CONTRACTOR HAS BEEN PUT ON NOTICE THAT ANY FURTHER DELAYS IN THE SCHEDULE MAY CONSIDER LIQUIDATED DAMAGES, BUT WE'RE NOT DOING THAT AT THIS TIME. THIS PROJECT IS FUNDED THROUGH THE SRF, WHICH IS THE STATE REVOLVING FUND, CLEAN WATER LOAN, AND THESE ADDITIONAL SERVICES DURING CONSTRUCTION HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED BY THE DEP TO BE INCLUDED IN THE LOAN. AND SO WE ARE REQUESTING. 
          LET ME TURN THE PAGE. A TASK OR A AMENDMENT NUMBER SIX, NOT TO EXCEED $471,785 WITH ISS INFRASTRUCTURE AND SOLUTION SERVICES AND HR GREEN COMPANY. RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS MAYOR? GOOD. SIR. ANY IS THERE ANY PENALTIES FOR THE CONTRACTOR AT THIS POINT? LIKE, YOU KNOW, USUALLY THE $100 A DAY AFTER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DAYS OR SOMETHING. RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING. IF THE SCHEDULE SLIPS ANY FURTHER, WE WILL BE CONSIDERING LIQUIDATED DAMAGES. BUT BECAUSE WE COULD ACTUALLY GO BACK AND SEE HOW MANY TIMES, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE GETTING THE SUBMITTALS FROM THESE MANUFACTURERS. SO TO PENALIZE THEM AT THIS POINT, THAT'S WHAT I THAT'S THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING WITH IT. RIGHT. BUT ANY ADDITIONAL DELAYS, LIKE THEY'VE, THEY'VE SUBMITTED NOW A SCHEDULE TO COMPLETE LOOKING AT WHERE THEY ARE NOW. AND SO IF THERE'S FURTHER DELAYS, THEY WILL BE CONSIDERED. OKAY. OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THIS ITEM MAYOR. GO AHEAD. 
          APPROVAL OF AMENDMENT NUMBER SIX TO THE PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING SERVICES CONTRACT FOR THE BIOSOLID IMPROVEMENTS AT THE DB, LEE AND GRANT STREET WATER RECLAMATION FACILITIES PROJECT WITH INFRASTRUCTURE SOLUTIONS SERVICES, LLC OF MELBOURNE, FLORIDA, AND HR GREEN COMPANY IN THE AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $471,785. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION BY MR. LARUSSO AND SECOND BY MISS BASSETT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE AYE. MOTION 
          [10. CONSENT AGENDA:]
PASSES. MOVING ON TO CONSENT AGENDA ITEM TEN A THROUGH D, NOTHING WAS PULLED. WE HAVE A MOTION ON THIS. I GOT ONE QUESTION THOUGH. YEAH GO AHEAD MA'AM. YES PLEASE. OKAY. I LOVE THE IDEA OF DOING THE HYBRID SUVS. ARE WE ARE WE GOING TO BE GOING FORWARD WITH JUST HYBRIDS. 
          SO THAT WOULD HELP US WITH GAS AND THAT JENNY, I BELIEVE THAT ALL OF THE ALL OF OUR POLICE VEHICLES ARE, ARE GOING TO BE HYBRID. WE ARE IN THAT PROCESS OF REPLACING THEM. OKAY, OKAY. 
          I JUST WANTED SO IT'S OR AT LEAST OUR PURSUIT VEHICLES, I SHOULD SAY IT THAT WAY. YEAH. 
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GOOD. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU WANT TO MAKE THAT MOTION THEN FOR CONSENT, I CONSENT I A30 A THROUGH D FOR CONSENT ITEMS FROM A THROUGH D. THERE WE GO FORWARD WITH WITH THE A THROUGH D. OKAY. AND I'LL SECOND THAT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE AYE AYE. ANY OPPOSED. MOTION PASSES ITEM NUMBER 11. NOTHING WAS PULLED. 
          [12. Resolution No. 4443: A resolution adopting third quarter budget recommendations for the City's Fiscal Year 2025-2026 budget.]
SO WE'RE GOING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 12 WHICH IS THE FISCAL 2026 THIRD BUDGET THIRD QUARTER BUDGET REVIEW. AND HE'S STILL HERE. OH I HAD TO HAVE ONE LAST ITEM BEFORE YOU. OKAY. YOU'RE GONNA MISS YOUR FLIGHT. OH, NOT JUST YET. OKAY. NO, JUST REAL. THERE YOU GO. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THIS IS YOUR THIRD QUARTER BUDGET RESOLUTION, SO I GET TO SCARE YOU ONE LAST TIME BEFORE I DISAPPEAR INTO THE ETHER REAL QUICK. I DO WANT TO GO BACK AND KIND OF KIND OF STATE WHERE WE ARE, JUST TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF WHAT YOU HAVE TO LOOK FORWARD TO. 
          OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS ON THE HORIZON THAT ARE OBVIOUSLY SUBSTANTIAL, LIKE AMENDMENT THREE TO HAVE CONSIDERED WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS YEAR, WHEN WE ENTERED IT AND HAD THE ACTUAL FINAL FISCAL YEAR 2025 FUND BALANCES TO REVIEW. FROM THE GENERAL FUND PERSPECTIVE, WE DID HAVE A NEGATIVE AVAILABLE FUND BALANCE. WE DID TAKE A LOT OF THE AVAILABLE FUND BALANCE FROM THE PRIOR YEAR. WHEN YOU NOTICE IN 24, WE HAD THAT LARGE GREEN SECTION. WE DID CONTRIBUTE A LOT OF THAT TOWARDS STATION 72 AND SOME OTHER LARGE DEFERRED CAPITAL PROJECTS. APPROPRIATELY. AND WITHIN YOUR POLICY, WHAT GENERALLY DRIVES SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHERE YOU GO NEGATIVE BEYOND WHAT STAFF'S EXPECTATION IS, IS THAT SECOND LINE THERE THAT'S ORANGE THAT THAT'S YOUR OPEB LIABILITY. AND I JUST WANT TO KEEP THIS AT THE FOREFRONT OF YOUR MINDS. YOUR OPEB LIABILITY IS SOMETHING THAT'S IT'S CALCULATED BY AN ACTUARY EACH YEAR. WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT UNTIL SEVERAL MONTHS AFTER THE YEAR IS DONE. AND YOU CAN SEE THAT GOING FROM 2022 TO 2025, IT IS IT IS SUBSTANTIALLY INCREASED IN A VERY, ALMOST EXPONENTIAL WAY. AND IN A LOT OF WAYS, WHAT THEY DO IN ACTUARIAL MATH IS MAKE ASSUMPTIONS AND LOOK FOR STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT VARIABLES. AND IN THIS INSTANCE, ONE OF THE STRONGER ONES THAT'S TIED TO THIS LIABILITY IS THE 20 YEAR GOVERNMENT DOUBLE A RATED BOND INDEX. I KNOW IT'S A REALLY BORING SOUNDING THING IN GENERAL, BUT BASICALLY WHAT IT TAKES FOR US TO BORROW MONEY 20 YEARS OUT, AND LATELY, BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE STRUGGLES IN THE MARKETS AND SOME OF THE FEARS OVER THE FEDERAL DEFICIT CONTINUING UNCONTROLLED, IT'S CAUSED A PREMIUM FOR INVESTORS TO WANT TO INVEST IN GENERAL GOVERNMENT A LITTLE MORE SO THAN IT HAS IN THE PAST. SO WHEN YOU SEE THAT INCREASE LIKE THAT, IT'S SOMETHING COMPLETELY OUT OF OUR CONTROL. BUT AGAIN, IT WILL MAKE THAT ORANGE LINE GO UP. WE ARE HOPING TO SEE SOME POSITIVE VARIANCES FROM SOME OF THE RATES THAT WE RECEIVED ON THE RENEWALS FOR RETIREE HEALTH INSURANCE, AND SOME OF THE HEALTH INSURANCE PREMIUMS THAT PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN STATE STATUTE THAT ARE RETIREES OF THE CITY. BUT AGAIN, THERE IS THAT PRESSURE OUT THERE. IT'S KIND OF AN UNKNOWN, BUT WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COGNIZANT OF IT AND AWARE OF IT MOVING FORWARD. AMONG THE ISSUES THAT MAY COME IN THE EVENT OF AMENDMENT THREE SUCCESSFUL PASSING, ONE THING LOOKING INTO THE ACTUAL RESOLUTION ITSELF, YOU'LL NOTICE HERE THIS IS A VERY SIMILAR CHART TO WHAT I PRESENTED TO YOU BACK IN THE SECOND QUARTER. BUDGET RESOLUTION. THE NUMBERS ROUGHLY THE SAME IN AGGREGATE. WE'RE DOWN TO ABOUT $1.2 MILLION AND SOME POSITIVE REVENUES. AND AGAIN, THESE ARE THE ONES THAT REPRESENT 80% OF YOUR GENERAL FUND BUDGET. SO ANYTHING BEYOND THIS POINT IS EITHER NOT REALLY SIGNIFICANT TO THE OVERALL PICTURE OR IS MORE KIND OF LIMITED IN ITS IMPACT. BUT WHAT WE'VE CONTINUED TO SEE IS A WEAKENING OF YOUR COMMUNICATION SERVICE TAX AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT, HALF CENT SALES TAXES. YOU KNOW THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS KIND OF AD NAUSEAM. THE STATE FINALLY RELEASED ITS FINAL FIGURES FOR NEXT YEAR. IT WAS WITHIN A PERCENT OF WHAT WE WERE FORECASTING, WHICH IS GOOD FROM A HEY, WE WERE PRETTY ACCURATE. BUT IT ALSO MEANS THAT EVEN THE STATE'S BEGINNING TO REALIZE THAT THE ECONOMY IS SLOWING. AND WITH REGARDS TO THOSE TWO REVENUE STREAMS, WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE UTILITY, TAX AND FRANCHISE FEES, WE'VE BEEN HEAVILY RELIANT IN PAST YEARS ON ELECTRIC REVENUE. THOSE ELECTRIC REVENUES, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A LOT OF POSITIVE VARIANCES, AND WE WENT THROUGH WHY THAT WAS SOME OF THOSE BELOW THE BILL SURCHARGES THAT CHANGED DIFFERENTLY FROM WHAT WE EXPECTED. THOSE ARE ALL BUILT INTO YOUR BUDGET GOING FORWARD. 
          ONE THING THAT WE DO WANT TO NOTE, THOUGH, IS THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT'S NOT AS STRONG AS IT WAS WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT IN THE SECOND QUARTER. WE'VE HAD A FEW MORE MONTHS OF DATA, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE INSTEAD OF SHOWING THAT SLIGHTLY HIGHER $1.2 MILLION FIGURE, I BELIEVE IT WAS IN THAT 1.28 RANGE, 1.25. BUT THAT'S WHY THIS NUMBER DIPPED A LITTLE BIT FROM WHAT YOU SAW PREVIOUSLY. SO AGAIN, WHAT WE WERE FORECASTING AND DOING WITH THIS 1.2 MILLION WAS TRYING TO KIND OF LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE LAST NEEDS THAT ARE CRITICAL. 
          AND WE DID NOT WANT TO DELAY ON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE DIDN'T WANT TO LOSE IN TERMS OF 
          [00:45:03]
THINGS LIKE MATCHING GRANT GRANT AMOUNTS, THE CITY'S MATCH FOR THEM AND THE LIKE. SO FROM A REVENUE STANDPOINT STANDPOINT, EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED SO FAR STILL SEEMS TO BE IN PLAY. AND IN THE EVENT, REGARDLESS OF AMENDMENT THREE PASSING OR NOT, YOU KNOW, WE DO WANT TO BE COGNIZANT OF THE FACT THAT OUR OTHER REVENUE STREAMS ARE NOT GROWING, AT LEAST IN THE WAY THAT WE WOULD NEED THEM TO IF WE WERE TO BECOME LESS RELIANT ON PROPERTY TAXES. SO AGAIN, THE PROPERTY TAX DISCUSSION WILL BE KEY IN YOUR YOUR FUTURE BUDGET DISCUSSIONS. AND I WISH YOU WELL IN THAT ENDEAVOR FROM AFAR. BUT IT IS SOMETHING, THOUGH, THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVEN IN THE EVENT THAT IT IS NOT SUCCESSFUL IN PASSING, YOU DO STILL HAVE THE STRUGGLES OF NEEDING TO BALANCE HOW MUCH OF A PROPERTY TAX BURDEN YOU'RE WANTING TO PUT ON YOUR RESIDENTS, AND WHAT LEVEL OF SERVICE YOU WANT TO PROVIDE THEM, BECAUSE YOUR OTHER REVENUE STREAMS ARE RIGHT NOW NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO KEEP UP WITH WHAT THOSE INCREASES ARE TO KEEP THE SAME LEVEL OF SERVICE. THE MAIN THING I WANT TO POINT OUT IS WHAT WE USE SOME OF THAT 1.2 MILLION FOR. YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LOOKED AT SOME OF THE IMPORTANT ITEMS THAT COULDN'T BE DELAYED CITY LEGISLATIVE APPROPRIATION MATCHES, THERE WERE TWO PROJECTS THAT WE DID RECEIVE LEGISLATIVE APPROPRIATIONS. WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PUT ASIDE THE MATCH MONEY FOR THOSE. IT'S ONE TIME USE POLICE DEPARTMENT TOUGHBOOK REPLACEMENTS. THIS IS, YOU KNOW, STANDARD OPERATING TYPE OF EXPENSE. WE HAD A PRETTY LARGE PURCHASE A FEW YEARS BACK. AND THIS IS BASICALLY THE THOSE REACHING THEIR USEFUL LIFE END. WE WOULD DITCH PIPING PROJECT. PRETTY SELF-EXPLANATORY. WE OBVIOUSLY HAD THE DAMAGE AT THE JOSEPH AND DAVIS ROOF. THIS IS OUR OUR SHARE OF THAT COST, THE DEDUCTIBLE ON OUR INSURANCE AND AS WELL AS THAT FIRE ASSESSMENT FEE STUDY AND MAKING SURE THAT THE APPROPRIATE REVENUES ASIDE FOR LOOKING AT THAT. SO WITH THAT, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION NUMBER FOUR, FOUR, FOUR, THREE. AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. MCGINN I. I HAVE A QUESTION. YES MA'AM. PLEASE. ON THE GOLF COURSE. YES. THAT'S THAT'S ONE OF MY BECAUSE YEARS AGO, BACK IN THE 80S THAT MADE A LOT OF MONEY AND THEY TOOK IT OUT OF THEY TOOK IT, TOOK IT AND PUT IT EVERYWHERE ELSE AND DIDN'T PUT IT BACK INTO THE GOLF COURSE. AND IT WENT. THAT'S WHY WE'RE PUTTING IN SO MUCH MONEY OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND THAT WE HAVE TO, BECAUSE THEY STRIPPED IT OUT. AND I SEE THAT THERE IS A POSITIVE INFLUENCE RIGHT NOW, POSITIVE. AND IT IT IS GOING TO STAY, I WANT TO SAY ENTERPRISE FUND, BUT I KNOW YOU GUYS CALL IT SOMETHING ELSE. YEAH, IT'S BEEN A MATTER OF DEBATE. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING TYPE OF THING. THE ENTERPRISE FUND, IT IS GOING TO STAY IN THERE SO THAT LIKE THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM NEEDED WAS DONE BACK IN THE 80S, HADN'T BEEN DONE, UPDATED IN 45 YEARS. SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO WAIT 45 YEARS TO UPDATE IT. CORRECT. WE'RE GOING TO KEEP IT UPDATED. CORRECT. SO I DO WANT TO REMIND COUNCIL, WHEN WE DID MAKE THE DECISION TO MAKE IT A SPECIAL REVENUE FUND IN LIEU OF AN ENTERPRISE FUND WHERE IT'S MEANT TO BE MORE SELF-SUSTAINING, WE WE WENT WE DID THAT WITH A CONSCIOUS DECISION THAT THE SPECIAL REVENUE FUND KIND OF UNDERSTANDS THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE SOME LEVEL OF IMPLICIT SUBSIDY TO THE GOLF COURSES FUND. IF WE WERE TO ALLOCATE THE TIME OF STAFF, MY STAFF, THE CITY MANAGER'S TIME, ADAMS TIME, ANYBODY WHO HAS ANY BEARING ON THE BUSINESS DECISIONS THAT HAPPEN OUT OF THE GOLF COURSES, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD WHAT IT HAS TO DO FOR THE DIRECT INPUTS THAT LIKE THE COST OF FERTILIZER, THE COST FOR RUNNING THE PUMPS, THE COST FOR THE STAFF THAT ACTUALLY DOES THE DAILY WORK THERE, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE LARGER MACHINERY AND EQUIPMENT PURCHASES. WE DID START WANTING TO RECOGNIZE THE FACT THAT IF IT DOES SEE SUCCESSFUL YEARS, YOU KNOW, IN MULTIPLE INSTANCES THAT THAT MONEY DOES REMAIN WITHIN THAT GOLF COURSE FUNCTION SO THAT MAYBE WE CAN LESSEN THAT NEED FOR THE GENERAL FUND TO BUY REPLACEMENT MOWERS OR ANY OF THOSE LARGER CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT WERE NEVER REALLY BUILT INTO THE RATES. SO WE'RE GETTING THERE. 
          AND IT MIGHT JUST BE A LITTLE BIT OF A LONGER, LONGER PROCESS. BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT IN YOUR BUDGET THAT YOU JUST APPROVED, THERE IS NO SUBSIDY COMING FROM THE GENERAL FUND OUTSIDE OF THE INDIRECT SUBSIDY IT RECEIVES FROM STAFF'S TIME, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY NOT A BILL, BUT IT DOES GET SOME ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION FROM YOUR FUND FOR REPLACEMENT OF SOME OF ITS ITS ASSETS THAT DOESN'T CURRENTLY PAY FOR. OKAY. YES, SIR. SO I TAKING A LOOK AT THIS AND, YOU KNOW, ROSS AND MARLA AND EVERYBODY, YOU GUYS JUST DO A FANTASTIC JOB ON THESE. AND I LOVE YOU GUYS. PRESENTING THEM, EVEN IF IT SOMETIMES ISN'T ALWAYS THE MOST FUN NEWS IN THE WORLD. BUT THAT SAID, I WAS TAKING A LOOK AT IT AND I TALKED TO THEM SHORTLY BEFORE THIS, AND I WAS REALLY IMPACTED BY MISS ELBERTA CLINKSCALES DISCUSSION AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, ESPECIALLY IN REGARDS TO WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE CUT STUDY FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AREA AND SPECIFICALLY, AND I'VE BEEN ON IT FOR A LONG TIME ABOUT 
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ESPECIALLY LOOKING AT THOSE COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS, WHICH AND, YOU KNOW, HISTORIC SOUTH MELBOURNE, WHICH IF THE PROPERTY TAX REFORM PASSES ARE GOING TO BE REVENUE SOURCES FOR US MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE AT THIS POINT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN HELP CONTINUE OUR UPKEEP. I WAS WONDERING NOT MOVING ANYTHING FROM FROM THIS PARTICULAR ONE, BUT IF I COULD GET CONSENSUS, THERE'S ONE MORE THAT WOULD COME UP AND THERE MIGHT BE SOME INTEREST REVENUE THAT WOULD BE COMING IN THAT COULD BE EXPECTED THAT WE WOULD SET ASIDE ABOUT $50,000 FROM THE INTEREST REVENUE FOR NEXT BUDGET CYCLE OR NOT. BUDGET CYCLE FOR NEXT QUARTER, BUDGET REVIEW TO GO INTO THAT PIECE THAT WAS CUT OUT OF THE BUDGET. SO IT'D BE $50,000 FOR BASICALLY THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT THEN ALSO THAT COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR REVIEW THAT WE HAD CUT GOING INTO THE BUDGET SEASON. I DON'T KNOW IF WHAT DO YOU GUYS FEEL ABOUT THAT? I MEAN, I HAVE NO, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH WITH WE WANT TO REVIEW IT AT THAT TIME. I MEAN, YOU SHOULD PUT A NOTE IN AND JUST LET IT COME BACK AS A. SURE, SURE. YEAH. I MEAN, YEAH, I HAVE NO PROBLEM. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ALWAYS EVALUATE. ABSOLUTELY. AND I KNOW WITH A LOT OF THOSE TYPES OF DECISIONS WHERE THINGS DIDN'T QUITE EITHER MAKE THE CUT OR THERE MAY BE SOME COUNCIL PRIORITIES THAT WEREN'T FUNDED. OBVIOUSLY, EVERY YEAR WE DO HAVE POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE VARIANCES THIS YEAR, MORE THAN MOST, I WOULD RECOMMEND ALLOWING A LOT OF THOSE TO REPLENISH THAT, THAT RESERVE POLICY THAT YOU HAVE, ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF THE FORTHCOMING LEGISLATIVE DECISION THAT THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE IMPACT, HUGELY IMPACTFUL TO YOUR FUTURES. BUT AT LEAST ONCE THAT THAT IS THAT IS CONTAINED MOVING FORWARD, ANY OF THOSE POSITIVE VARIANCES, YOU CAN ALWAYS HAVE STAFF REVIEW AND LOOK FOR SOME OF THESE PRIORITIES TO BE FUNDED. SO I CAN TOTALLY SUPPORT THAT. BUT WE USUALLY DO OUR FIRST QUARTER GENERALLY IN THE JANUARY FEBRUARY TIME FRAME. SO BY THAT POINT, WE SHOULD HAVE SOME AT LEAST UNDERSTANDING OF BOTH THE LEGISLATIVE IMPACTS OF THE OUTCOME OF THAT ELECTION, AS WELL AS ANY POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE VARIANCES THAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING SO FAR THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. DID DID YOU GET WHAT YOU NEEDED FOR THAT? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU LIKE IT. YEAH. NO. 
          YEAH. WE WE HAD A, I, I CAN DEFINITELY SUPPORT IT. I MEAN, I WON'T BE HERE AT THAT TIME, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT THAT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA. AWESOME. THANK YOU. I'M SORT OF KEEPING A LIST OF SOME OF WHAT I'VE HEARD AT SOME OF THESE COUNCIL MEETINGS THAT SHOULD WE HAVE ADDITIONAL REVENUE THAT WE WILL DEFINITELY TRY OUR BEST TO INCORPORATE THOSE INTO A FIRST QUARTER BUDGET ADJUSTMENT. OKAY, PERFECT. ALL RIGHT. SO WITH THAT, I'LL MAKE A MOTION. YES, PLEASE SIR. MOTION FOR THE APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION NUMBER 4443. SECOND, HAVE A MOTION SECONDED BY MISS BASSETT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE AYE, AND 
          [14. Purchase of Panasonic Toughbooks for the Police Department, Law and Order Technology LLC, Boynton Beach, FL - $396,322.90.]
THAT MOTION PASSES. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 14. THIS IS GOING TO BE REGARDING INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY. MR. BURNS. HOW ARE YOU DOING, SIR? GOOD EVENING MAYOR. GOOD EVENING COUNCIL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR SUPPORTING THE THIRD QUARTER BUDGET AMENDMENT, BECAUSE MY ITEM IS DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY THAT. THIS ITEM IS TO PURCHASE 95 TOUGHBOOKS FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND FOR THE PATROL VEHICLES FROM LAW AND ORDER TECHNOLOGY FROM BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA, WHO WE PURCHASED FOR FROM IN THE PAST FOR A TOTAL OF 396,322 AND $0.90. I WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION IN APPROVING THIS ITEM. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BURNS? OKAY. THE MOTION FOR THIS ITEM. MR. LARUSSO, I'M SORRY, MR. NEWMAN. 
          MOTION FOR THE APPROVAL TO PURCHASE PANASONIC TOUGHBOOKS FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. LAW AND ORDER TECHNOLOGY, LLC, BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA, THREE $396,422.90. SECOND, AND WE HAD A MOTION SECONDED MISS BASSETT SECOND ON THAT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED, 
          [15. Ordinance No. 2026-32, The Office, Phase 2: (First Reading/Public Hearing) An ordinance granting a conditional use (CU2026-0009) to allow the sale and consumption of alcoholic beverages on-premises within an additional tenant unit (Unit 102) within a multi-tenant building (587 West Eau Gallie Boulevard), zoned C-3 (Central Business District), located on the south side of West Eau Gallie Boulevard, east of Guava Avenue, and west of Highland Avenue. (Applicant: Micah Rose) (P & Z Board - 9/3/2026)]
I VOTE AYE, AND THE MOTION PASSES. WE'RE MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 15. THAT'S GOING TO BE ORDINANCE 2026-32 MR. CONLEY SIR. THANK YOU MAYOR. AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP AS IT RELATES TO GENERAL ZONING ORDINANCE NUMBER 2000 AND 5-120, BY GRANTING A CONDITIONAL USE TO ALLOW FOR THE SALE AND SERVICE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES, BEER AND WINE FOR CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES IN A 652 PLUS OR MINUS SQUARE FOOT UNIT. UNIT 102 LOCATED ON A 0.20 PLUS OR MINUS ACRE PROPERTY ZONE C THREE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT, LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF WEST EAU GALLIE BOULEVARD, EAST OF GUAVA AVENUE AND WEST OF HIGHLAND AVENUE. 587 WEST EAU GALLIE BOULEVARD, PROVIDING FOR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, PROVIDING THAT THE CONDITIONAL USE GRANTED HEREIN MAY BE REVOKED BY CITY COUNCIL IF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL ARE NOT MET, PROVIDING THAT THE PROPERTY SHALL BE DESIGNATED ON THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP BY THE SYMBOL C-C3, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND PROVIDING AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE. OKAY. THANK YOU. REPORT ON THIS IS MISS DITTMER. YES, THIS IS THE FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE GRANTING A CONDITIONAL USE TO ALLOW THE SALE AND CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES ON PREMISES AS A SECOND AND SEPARATE PHASE OF A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED CONDITIONAL USE ON THE 
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SAME POINT. TWO ACRE PROPERTY PROPERTY ZONE C THREE, AND IT'S LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF EAU GALLIE BOULEVARD, EAST OF GUAVA AND WEST OF HIGHLAND AVENUE. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN COUNCIL DISTRICT THREE. IT'S ALSO IN OUR EAU GALLIE CRA DISTRICT, SO THE CONDITIONAL USE REQUEST BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING IS FOR 652 SQUARE FOOT UNIT. THAT'S UNIT 102, AND IT'S DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED CONDITIONAL. USE THE OFFICE CIGAR LOUNGE IN UNIT 103. THESE WILL BE TWO SEPARATE BUSINESSES. THE APPLICANT IS ASKING TO HAVE SORT OF AN ALTERNATIVE NONSMOKING LOUNGE NEXT DOOR TO THE CURRENT CIGAR BAR. THEY'RE NOT CONNECTED IN ANY WAY. THEY'RE TWO WILL BE TWO SEPARATE CONDITIONAL USES. THE BUSINESS PLAN FOR THIS ESTABLISHMENT INDICATES THAT THEY WILL BE OPEN FROM 4 TO 9 MONDAY, WEDNESDAY, THURSDAY, AND 4 TO 1 A.M. ON FRIDAY AND SATURDAY, 12 TO 9 ON SUNDAY. 
          THOSE HOURS ARE CONDITIONS OF THE APPROVAL OF THE CONDITIONAL USE THE FLOOR PLAN THAT'S IN THE PACKAGE INDICATES ALLOWING AN OCCUPANCY OF 32 PERSONS. WITH THE SHOWING A BAR AREA, SEATING AREAS AND ONE BATHROOM IN THE UNIT. THE SUBJECT SIDE, AS YOU KNOW, IS LOCATED IN OUR DOWNTOWN EAU GALLIE AREA, SURROUNDED MAINLY BY RETAIL OFFICE. RESTAURANT USES CITY STAFF AS WE HAVE FOR THE LAST NUMBER OF YEARS, ADDED THE TYPICAL CONDITIONS FOR CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOL THAT INCLUDE CONDITIONS SUCH AS REQUIRING THE OCCUPANCY NUMBER TO BE MET, TWO OR MORE VIOLATIONS OF NOISE OR OCCUPANCY WOULD BREACH THE CONDITIONAL USE AND REQUIRING THE ALCOHOL TO ALL BE CONSUMED WITHIN THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING. AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD CONSIDERED THIS REQUEST AND VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO APPROVE THE REQUEST, AND STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL ORDINANCE NUMBER 2026-32. BASED UPON THE FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS CONTAINED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEMORANDUM. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. MAYOR? AND I ALSO WANT TO CORRECT IT FOR MR. LARUSSO SAKE. WHILE I ACTUALLY THINK THIS IS GONNA BE A GREAT PLACE TO, TO HANG OUT AND AND HAVE A CIGAR OR DRINK OR WHAT HAVE YOU, I BELIEVE THIS IS IN DISTRICT TWO, AND I'D HATE FOR EXECUTIVE CIGAR BAR TO THINK I'M CHEATING ON THEM. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GOT YOUR, YOUR DUE. WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT, MR. NEWMAN, I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. SO WE'RE GOOD EATING ON YOU. CINDY CAN'T READ HER NUMBERS ANYMORE. NO, IT'S US THREE. NO, IT SAYS THREE ON THERE. IT'S JUST A LITTLE SCRIVENER'S ERROR ON THE MEMO. TWO, 20100. WHO CAN'T SEE? APPARENTLY ME. I GOTTA GO TO THE EYE DOCTOR. GETTING OLD. APPARENTLY IT'S ALL GOOD. I SAID THREE SHE SAID SHE DID SAY OH, OKAY. JENNY SAYS I SAID THREE. SO YOU KNOW EXCITEMENT FOR TONIGHT. HOLD ON. YEAH. EXCITEMENT FOR THE NIGHT. HOLD ON. YOU HAD SOMETHING. I REQUEST THE APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE. NO, NO. NOT YET. YOU HAVE TO HOLD ON. OKAY. WE'RE. 
          YEAH, WE'RE WE'RE NOT THERE REAL QUICK. THIS IS A QUASI JUDICIAL ITEM. ANY DISCLOSURES ON THIS? NO. NOPE NOPE NOPE. NO DISCLOSURES. THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY SIGN UP SHEET CLOSE BACK CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO MISS HANLEY. GO AHEAD. NO. LET MR. LARUSSO DO. OH. GO AHEAD. OH, GOD. I CALLED ON YOU. APPROVAL ORDINANCE 2026-32. BASED UPON THE FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS CONTAINED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEMORANDUM. SECOND, HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND BY MR. SMITH. THAT'S RIGHT. HE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY I HI. AYE, AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AND THAT MOTION PASSES UP HERE. WHAT WE'RE GETTING WE'RE GOING TO 
          [16. Ordinance No. 2026-33, Downtown Melbourne Redevelopment Plan Amendment (First Reading/Public Hearing) An ordinance amending the Melbourne Downtown Community Redevelopment Plan to include the Building Improvement Program. (P & Z Board - 9/3/2026)]
MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 16 ORDINANCE NUMBER 2020 633. MR. CONNOLLY. THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          ORDINANCE NUMBER 2026-33 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE MELBOURNE DOWNTOWN REDEVELOPMENT PLAN, MAKING FINDINGS, AMENDING CHAPTER 20 OF THE CITY CODE ENTITLED COMMUNITY PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT. AMENDING SECTION 2064 ADOPTION TO PROVIDE REDEVELOPMENT GOALS WITH REVISIONS TO CRA PROJECTS AND PROGRAMS WITHIN THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND INTERPRETATION, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND PROVIDING AN ADOPTION SCHEDULE. THANK YOU SIR. REPORT ON THIS IS MISS DITTMER. YES, I WAS JUST EARLY. ONE ITEM I WAS THINKING ABOUT DISTRICT THREE ALREADY LAST TIME. ME TOO. SO THIS IS THE FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE MELBOURNE DOWNTOWN COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT PLAN TO ADD A NEW CRA PROGRAM, THE 
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BUILDING IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. SO AUGUST 11TH, CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE PROPOSED GUIDELINES TO THE BUILDING IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM WITH THE SUBJECT TO REVISIONS THAT WE'RE GOING TO DIFFERENTIATE THE USES FOR THE EXPANSION AREA AND THE CORE AREA OF DOWNTOWN. AND ALSO COUNCIL GAVE US DIRECTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE AMENDED AMENDMENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE OR THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN. AND SO THAT'S WHAT'S BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING. SO THERE'S SORT OF TWO SEPARATE PROCESSES THAT WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH TO GET THIS FINALIZED. THIS STEP IS ACTUALLY GOING TO WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN TONIGHT. ALL YOU'RE REALLY ADOPTING INTO THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN IS SIMPLY THE PROGRAM NAME AND REALLY STRATEGY AND INTENT. SO WE WILL COME BACK IN OCTOBER WITH THE REVISED GUIDELINES. AND EXCUSE ME, BY END OF OCTOBER WE'LL HAVE THE PLAN AMENDED AND WE WILL HAVE THE GUIDELINES. HOPEFULLY YOU GUYS WILL APPROVE THE GUIDELINES. WHEN YOU SEE THOSE PROBABLY YOUR 2ND OCTOBER MEETING. WE ARE TAKING THOSE TO THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON OCTOBER 8TH FOR THEIR INPUT AS WELL. SO WE WILL COME BACK WITH THOSE CHANGES THAT THAT WE DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY. SO THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT IS CONSISTENT WITH FLORIDA STATUTE. IT DOES REQUIRE US, IF WE'RE GOING TO EXPEND CRA DOLLARS TO HAVE PROGRAMS IN PROJECTS ACTUALLY DELINEATED WITHIN THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN. SO THAT'S WHY THIS STEP IS NEEDED. THIS DOES NOT CHANGE ALL THE OTHER PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PROGRAMS AND PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN. THIS IS JUST ADDING TO IT. AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD DID VOTE AFFIRMING THAT THE PLAN AMENDMENT IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND THEN THE DOWNTOWN CRA ADVISORY COMMITTEE ALSO VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO RECOMMEND APPROVING THE ORDINANCE TO INCLUDE THE BUILDING IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM WITHIN THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN. SO WITH THAT, STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL ORDINANCE NUMBER 2026-33. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS, MAYOR? GO AHEAD SIR. 
          NO, MR. SMITH. IT WAS OH, I'M SORRY. MR. WHAT? I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M THINKING. I KNOW IT'S OKAY. IT'S ALL RIGHT. I KNOW IT'S GETTING LATE. IT'S GETTING LATE, BUT I'M JUST GONNA BE QUIET, MR. NEWMAN'S. NO, NO, NO, BUT THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU. BUT WHAT I WANT TO SAY IS THANK YOU, CINDY AND STAFF, BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS WE MET AT. WE VENTURE GOT TO. 
          CAPTAIN RUDLOFF CAME SEVERAL TIMES. SO SEVERAL ITERATIONS. WE MET IN THE WITH CRA BOARD AND THIS IS A GREAT EVOLUTION TO MOVE FROM WHAT IT WAS AS A FACADE PROGRAM TO DO SOMETHING INTERNAL. I TALKED WITH THE CITY MANAGER. SO I'M JUST EXTREMELY PROUD OF THE PROGRESS THAT HAS THAT IS MADE TO AT LEAST GET US TO THIS POINT. AND ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, AS THE AS THE CITY CONTINUES TO EVOLVE AND AS WE CONTINUE TO TO GROW AS A CITY, THERE MAY BE SOME THINGS THAT WE COULD DO IN THE FUTURE, BUT I'M JUST EXTREMELY PROUD OF THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE AND THE CONVERSATIONS AND, AND WHERE WE ARE NOW. SO, SO THANK YOU. YOU OKAY? ANY OTHER ANYTHING ELSE, MAYOR? GOOD. OKAY. ONE. SO I HAPPEN TO BE TALKING THIS MORNING WITH A PROPERTY OWNER WHO WAS AT OUR PREVIOUS MEETING LAST TIME, AND I WAS JUST HAPPENED TO BE TALKING TO THEM ABOUT THIS. AND YEAH, ONE, HE WAS VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROGRAM. SO ONE, YOU KNOW, GREAT WORK AND I'M GRATEFUL FOR OUR TEAM DOING ALL THAT AS FAR AS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HIM AND I PARTICULARLY CONTINUING ON WITH THE SERIES OF MEETINGS. AND IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE WOULD FINISH THIS WITH A VOTE IN OCTOBER, WOULD THAT BE IMPLEMENTED IMMEDIATELY OR IS THAT A NEW YEAR START? WHAT IS THE IMPLEMENTATION? SO I WAS GOING TO ACTUALLY MENTION THAT STAFF WANTS TO, ONCE EVERYTHING'S APPROVED, SORT OF DO AN OUTREACH TO THE COMMUNITY, LET THEM KNOW ABOUT THE NEW PROGRAM, REMIND THEM ABOUT THE FACADE AND PROGRAM. SO WE'LL, WE'LL SORT OF HAVE AN OPENING DATE, MAYBE NOVEMBER SOMETIME THAT WILL OPEN UP APPLICATIONS. AND, AND I HAVE A FEELING THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, RESPONSES. SO, YOU KNOW, WE MAY RUN OUT OF MONEY QUICKLY. SO WE MIGHT BE BACK ASKING FOR MORE MONEY OR GRANT MONEY. BUT YEAH, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MAKE EVERYBODY AWARE OF IT AND GIVE EVERYBODY AN OPPORTUNITY, YOU KNOW, TO APPLY. IT'LL BE FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, COMPLETE APPLICATIONS AND EVERYTHING COMING IN. SO YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT IN OUR, OUR LINE OF THOUGHT, WE DO WANT TO ROLL IT OUT AND LET EVERYBODY KNOW ABOUT IT. AND PROBABLY MAYBE LATE NOVEMBER, EARLY DECEMBER, SOMEWHERE THERE. SOUNDS LIKE A PLAN. THANK YOU. OKAY. CHRISTMAS GIFT. SO IF NOTHING ELSE, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. 
          DO WE HAVE ANY SIGN UP SHEET, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL FOR ITEM 16. 
          MR. NEWMAN, APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 2026-33. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION BY MR. NEWMAN, SECOND BY MR. SMITH. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? I'M SORRY. BEFORE WE DO A VOTE, WERE THERE 
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FINDINGS? THERE WAS FINDINGS FROM PNC. WAS THERE SOMETHING THAT THEY NEED TO ADOPT FINDINGS BASED FOR APPROVAL OF THAT. YEAH. SHE SAID THAT IT WAS UNANIMOUS. RIGHT. DIDN'T DIDN'T DIDN'T FIND ANY CONSISTENCY FOR THE COMP PLAN. THEIR BOARD PNC BOARD MEMBER YEAH. SHOULD BE IN THE PACKAGE. BUT DOES THEIR DOES THEIR APPROVAL OF IT NEED TO BE BASED UPON THAT MEMO? PROBABLY, YES. I THINK I THINK THE MOTION SHOULD INCORPORATE, YOU KNOW, BASED ON FINDINGS IN THE PLANNING APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 2026-33, BASED UPON THE FINDINGS CONTAINED IN THE PLANNING ZONING BOARD MEMORANDUM, SECOND AGAIN, MOTION AND SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED, I VOTE AYE, AND THAT 
          [17. Grant award of $17,833 for facade improvements at 807 / 811 East New Haven Avenue. (Applicant: Karine Paturel-Reis & Jean-Philippe Reis) (Owner: Millo of Melbourne)]
MOTION PASSES. COUNCIL WILL CONVENE AT THE MELBOURNE DOWNTOWN COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY FOR ITEM NUMBER 17. REPORTING ON THIS IS MR. DITTMER. THANK YOU. OH, SO THIS IS FOR CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF A FACADE IMPROVEMENT GRANT. SPEAKING OF OUR GREAT DOWNTOWN PROGRAMS, IN THE AMOUNT OF $17,833 FOR EXTERIOR RENOVATIONS TO THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING LOCATED AT 807 AND 811 EAST NEW HAVEN AVENUE, THAT BUILDING CONTAINS THE BURGER PLACE AND DEBAUCHERY. WOW. SO THE ELIGIBLE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE IN THE APPLICATION WILL CONSIST OF A EXTENSION AND HEIGHT OF THE PARAPET WALL. SO SORT OF THE ROOF LINE OF THE BUILDING WILL BE EXTENDED. THEY'RE REPAINTING THE BUILDING FACADE, REPLACING THE EXISTING EXISTING FENCE AND RAILING THAT IS ALONG BOTH OF THE PROPERTIES THERE. ALSO INSTALLING A NEW AWNING. RIGHT NOW THERE'S JUST SORT OF A, I THINK A PICTURE. IT'S SORT OF JUST A FLAT CONCRETE SLAB. SO THEY'LL HAVE A NEW AWNING THAT'LL COME OFF OF THE TOP OF THE ROOF THERE. AND THEN ALSO BURGER PLACE WILL BE RECEIVING A NEW SIGNAGE. THAT'S THE CIRCULAR SIGNAGE THAT WILL REPLACE THAT. BUT ONCE THAT WALL DOUBLES IN HEIGHT WILL BE MORE ROOM FOR THAT. SO THE TOTAL ESTIMATED COST OF THE ELIGIBLE EXTERIOR EXPENSES IS $54,039, BASED ON THE 33% CALCULATION THAT MAKES THEM ELIGIBLE FOR THE GRANT AMOUNT OF $17,833. THIS IS A REIMBURSEMENT GRANT, SO THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE TO COMPLETE ALL THE WORK, PAY FOR IT, SHOW STAFF THE COMPLETION, THE PAID INVOICES, AND THEN WE WILL REIMBURSE THE APPLICANT FOR THAT AFTER AT THE END OF THAT PROCESS. JUST A SIDE NOTE, THIS PROPERTY DID GET A FACADE IMPROVEMENT GRANT BACK IN 2012. OUR RULES DO ALLOW AFTER A TEN YEAR PERIOD YOU CAN REQUEST ANOTHER ONE. SO IT HAS BEEN OVER THAT TEN YEAR PERIOD. THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE DID CONSIDER THE REQUEST, AND THEY DO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE $17,833 IN FUNDING FOR THIS PROPERTY. FUNDING IS AVAILABLE IN OUR CURRENT YEAR BUDGET FOR THIS AMOUNT, AND STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE MELBOURNE DOWNTOWN CRA FACADE IMPROVEMENT GRANT IN THE AMOUNT OF $17,833 FOR 807 AND 811 EAST NEW HAVEN AVENUE, AND AUTHORIZATION FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE GRANT AGREEMENT. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. MAYOR? MAYOR? MA'AM. GO AHEAD. VICE MAYOR, WHAT WAS DONE BACK IN 2012? I AM GOING TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT. YEAH. AND I DID NOT GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT. I BELIEVE IT WAS PROBABLY WHAT YOU SEE THERE TODAY. THE ORIGINAL THEY DID THE ROOF. THE ROOF THAT'S OVER THE PATIO OR THAT ACTUALLY JEAN-PHILIPPE, THE APPLICANT IS HERE. AND SO THAT'S PROBABLY A BETTER QUESTION FOR HIM BECAUSE HE'LL REMEMBER WHAT THEY DID. AND I. ALL RIGHT, MA'AM, I HAVE ONE SIGN UP SHEET. SO IF YOU'LL COME ON UP AND THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS J.P. REESE. 
          I OWN THE BURGER PLACE BACK IN 2012. ALL OF YOU GUYS REMEMBER THERE WAS AN ANTIQUE STORE. I MEAN, A BAR. THERE WAS NO WINDOWS, NO DOORS. WE CHANGE EVERYTHING. WE SPEND ABOUT 250 K. WE READ ON THE ROOF, THE BEGINNING. WE PUT LIKE A CANOPY AND WE BUILT THAT ROOF. THAT WAS LATER THOUGH. BUT BACK IN 2012, WHEN WE REDONE THE WHOLE BURGER PLACE, THAT WAS LIKE, NO WINDOWS, ONE SMALL DOOR ON THE FRONT, ONE SMALL DOOR ON THE BACK. WE OPENED THE WHOLE BUILDING, PUT NEW WINDOWS, NEW DOORS, AND BUILT A RESTAURANT. PRETTY MUCH THEN SPENT 250 K ON THE OUTSIDE. THAT WAS A SIGN. THE SIGN YOU CAN SEE RIGHT THERE. THERE WAS ANOTHER SIGN ON THE PATIO, PLUS THE RAILINGS. PLUS I DON'T REMEMBER NOW. IT'S BEEN A WHILE, BUT WE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY, YOU KNOW? THEN WE GOT THE GRANT. I THINK BY THE TIME WE GOT 20 K. YES, THAT WAS REALLY NICE THOUGH. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY, OKAY. I THINK THAT BUILDING NEEDS THAT. IT NEEDS LIKE A BIG IMPROVEMENT. YOU KNOW, IT'S UGLY AND IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY NICE THOUGH. THANK 
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YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. BURGERS ARE GOOD. ALL RIGHT. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL. MAYOR. GOOD. SIR. MOTION FOR THE APPROVAL OF MELBOURNE DOWNTOWN CRA FACADE IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM GRANT IN THE AMOUNT OF $17,833 FOR 811 EAST NEW HAVEN AVENUE. AND AUTHORIZATION FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE GRANT AGREEMENT. SECOND. THANK YOU. I HAVE A MOTION. AND SECOND, BY WHO? I'M SORRY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE AYE, AND THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU SIR. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO 
          [18. Resolution No. 4435: (Public Hearing) A resolution relating to the release of subsurface property interests on STADËLON District Holdings, LLC property.]
ITEM NUMBER 18. REPORTING ON THIS IS MR. CONLEY. THANK YOU. MAYOR, I'M SORRY. OH YEAH. JUST MAKE SURE YOU'RE RECONVENING AS AS CITY COUNCIL, I APOLOGIZE. YEAH. LET ME LET ME DO THIS. 
          YEAH. COUNCIL WILL RECONVENE FOR THE FOLLOWING ITEM AT CITY COUNCIL. THANK YOU, MR. CONLEY. 
          KEEPING ME STRAIGHT TONIGHT, I NEED IT SO EARLIER THIS MONTH, CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND OUR OFFICE FINALIZED CONVEYANCE OF PROPERTY THAT COUNCIL AND THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY ORIGINALLY APPROVED BACK IN 2022. RIGHT. THIS IS THE SITE WHERE THE OUTDOOR EVENT VENUE IS IS BEING PROPOSED. WHAT? THERE WAS A SMALL ITEM THAT WAS OMITTED. I DON'T KNOW IF IT GOT MISSED OR FOR FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER. THIS THIS SMALL ITEM OF THE CITY'S RETAINED INTEREST IN SUBSURFACE MINERAL AND PETROLEUM RIGHTS JUST DIDN'T DIDN'T GET ADDRESSED IN THE CONTRACT AND THE APPROVALS BACK IN 2022. AND SO BY OPERATION OF LAW, WHEN THE RELEASE IS NOT DONE AT THE TIME OF THE SALE, THE THE CITY RETAINS THAT THREE QUARTERS INTEREST IN THOSE SUBSURFACE MINERAL AND PETROLEUM RIGHTS. AS THIS WAS IDENTIFIED AND REALIZED THAT IT COULDN'T BE ADDED TO THE SPECIAL WARRANTY DEED THAT WE ACTUALLY GAVE THEM. EARLIER THIS MONTH, THE PROPERTY OWNER CAME BACK AND SAID, WELL, CAN WE REQUEST THAT IT BE RELEASED SEPARATELY BY CITY COUNCIL? AND SAID, ABSOLUTELY. SO THE PACKET MATERIALS THAT YOU HAVE INCLUDE THEIR THEIR WRITTEN APPLICATION AND, AND REQUEST, AS NOTED IN MY ITEM REPORT, MINERAL RIGHTS DON'T HOLD PARTICULARLY HIGH VALUE IF THE AREA ISN'T ZONED FOR DRILLING OR MINING. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING FROM COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT THAT THIS SITE ZONED M1 IS IS A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONE AND NOT INTENDED FOR DRILLING AND MINING. UNLIKE OUR GENERAL INDUSTRIAL M2 ZONING DISTRICT. SO I WOULD SAY WHATEVER, WHATEVER INTEREST THE CITY HAS IN THIS IS, IS NOT OF PARTICULARLY HIGH VALUE. NOT THAT NOTWITHSTANDING, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE CROSSING ALL OF OUR T'S AND DOTTING ALL OF OUR EYES, THIS ITEM WAS PUBLISHED IN THE COUNTY WEBSITE FOR PUBLIC NOTICE OF THIS DISPOSITION OF OF THE CITY'S PROPERTY INTEREST. IT WAS POSTED ON SITE. I DID THE POSTING MYSELF ON A ON A SATURDAY MORNING. AND SO WE'VE WE'VE ATTEMPTED WE'VE ATTEMPTED TO COMPLY WITH EVERYTHING THAT BOTH STATE LAW AND OUR CITY CODE CONTEMPLATES FOR DISPOSITION OF CITY PROPERTY INTEREST FOR. FOR THIS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. OTHERWISE, THE RECOMMENDED ACTION IS APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION 4435. THANK YOU, MR. CONNELLY. AND I'LL SAY REAL QUICK THAT I WORKED TO GET THIS ON AND APPRECIATE YOU POSTING IT ON A SATURDAY MORNING. ANY QUESTIONS? MR. JONATHAN COHEN HERE THAT CAN SPEAK ABOUT THIS? IF IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS. IF NOT, DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR THE APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION 44? MAYOR, MAYOR, IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING. SO JUST MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC. WELL, THERE'S PUBLIC HEARING, NO SIGN UP SHEETS. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING THERE. GO AHEAD. I RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION RESOLUTION NUMBER 4435 SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND BY MR. NEWMAN. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE AYE, AND THAT MOTION PASSES. 
          [19. Discussion of additional development regulations and fees to address unpermitted land clearing and tree removal.]
AND THEN I'LL SEE YOU AT THE END. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 19. BE REPORTING ON THIS ACTUALLY CINDY DITTMAR AND MR. HOW ARE YOU DOING? GOOD. GOOD EVENING. SO I'M GOING TO GIVE JUST A QUICK SUMMARY OF OUR ITEM REPORT. AND THEN YOU HAVE MYSELF AND JAMES HERE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND HELP GIVE STAFF DIRECTION. SO RECENTLY, COUNCIL HAS HAD A COUPLE DIFFERENT TIMES OF DISCUSSIONS REGARDING UNPERMITTED LAND CLEARING OR TREE REMOVAL WITHOUT PERMITS, AND JUST WANTED TO FIRST SORT OF STEP BACK A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO, IN APRIL OF 25, WE DID MAKE SOME CODE CHANGES. WE MADE A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT CHANGE TO OUR TREE AND LANDSCAPING CODE WITHIN APPENDIX D. A COUPLE OF THOSE THINGS TO JUST HIGHLIGHT THAT WE DID. WE DID ADD SOME PRESERVATION OF VERY LARGE 
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TREES THAT WE CALLED GRAND TREES THAT ARE OVER 30IN. SO THAT WAS SOME NEW LANGUAGE. 
          IT'S NOT OFTEN THAT WE RUN ACROSS THOSE REALLY LARGE TREES. WE ALSO COUNCIL APPROVED HIGHER TREE REMOVAL FEES AND ALSO ALLOWED US TO. IF SOMEBODY REMOVES WITHOUT PERMITS TO TO UTILIZE THE UPPER BRACKET OF THE FEES FOR THAT TREE REMOVAL PERMIT FOR AN AFTER THE FACT. 
          SO THERE'S DIFFERENT THRESHOLDS BASED ON YOUR PROPERTY SIZE. AND IF THEY HAD REMOVED WITHOUT A PERMIT, THEY'D BE CHARGED THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT BECAUSE YOU PROBABLY DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TREES WERE THERE IF THEY WERE ALREADY REMOVED. SO THAT WAS DONE. AND THEN WE DID ALSO ADD SOME LANGUAGE ABOUT SPECULATIVE CLEARING WITHOUT PROPER SITE PLANS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO OBVIOUSLY WE WE DIDN'T ADDRESS MORE PENALTIES AND PROCESSES THAT COULD BE CHANGED TO SORT OF PROHIBIT AND TRY TO, YOU KNOW, DETAIN THIS UNPERMITTED TYPE OF LAND CLEARING FROM HAPPENING. WE DIDN'T WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL SORT OF AFTER THE FACT PERMIT FEES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO ON AUGUST 25TH, COUNCIL DIRECTED STAFF TO COME BACK WITH SOME IDEAS OF HOW WE MIGHT CHANGE CODE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE THINGS. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DO TONIGHT. AND WE DO HAVE A LIST OF A FEW THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO EXPLORE WITH YOU. IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD AT THEIR MEETING EARLIER THIS MONTH ALSO HAD A SIMILAR DISCUSSION. SO WE LET THE BOARD KNOW THAT COUNCIL HAD ALREADY GIVEN STAFF THAT DIRECTION. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY BROUGHT UP THAT THEY WANTED TO LOOK AT WAS STRONGER TREE PRESERVATION. AND SO I BELIEVE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL MAYBE TOUCHED ON BEFORE, BUT THAT IS ONE OF THE THE LISTS OR ONE OF THE, THE, THE TOPICS THAT WE'VE PUT ON THE LIST. SO WHAT STAFF WANTS TO RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL AND ASK FOR THAT DIRECTION FOR YOU GUYS ON WHAT EXACTLY YOU'D LIKE TO SEE CHANGED IN CODE IS TO LOOK AT METHODS TO GAIN BETTER COMPLIANCE THROUGH ENFORCEMENT. AND RIGHT NOW, CURRENTLY, OUR CODE REALLY LOOKS TO OUR. ANY PENALTIES FOR OCCURRENCES OF LAND ALTERATION AND TREE REMOVAL WITHOUT PERMITS REALLY DIRECTS THAT TO THE CODE ENFORCEMENT PROCESS. HOWEVER, THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS THAT WERE AFFORDED WITHIN CITY CODE THAT COUNCIL COULD COULD CONSIDER AMENDING THE CODE LANGUAGE TO DO ONE OF THOSE WOULD BE SIMILAR TO HOW COUNCIL. 
          IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, THE SAFE USE OF STREETS AND PUBLIC CAMPING. WE CAN GO TO THE. THE HARDER STEP OF THERE BEING, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, CRIMINAL, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY CRIMINAL PENALTIES THAT COULD BE USED IN THE CASES WHERE WE'RE HAVING, YOU KNOW, UNPERMITTED CLEARING GOING ON DOESN'T MEAN THAT STAFF IS WANTING TO RUN OUT AND DO THAT REGULARLY, BUT IT WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL TOOL IN STAFF'S POCKET THAT MIGHT HELP ENFORCE WHEN THINGS LIKE THIS ARE HAPPENING, BECAUSE THAT'S GENERALLY WHAT'S HAPPENING, THEY'RE TOLD, NO, STOP, AND THEN THEY DON'T. AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT A, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL MONTH PROCESS TO GO TO CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD. SO THAT'S REALLY WHERE WE'RE SEEING, YOU KNOW, THE PROBLEM WITH NOT BEING ABLE TO DETER SOME OF THAT, THAT TYPE OF CLEARING. SO THERE'S A HANDFUL OF BULLET POINTS. I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT PUTTING THEM ON A SLIDE THAT WE PUT IN YOUR ITEM SUMMARY. AND I'LL JUST SORT OF WALK THROUGH SOME OF THE IDEAS. 
          ONE WOULD BE INCREASING THE TREE REMOVAL FEES. WHEN IT DOES OCCUR THAT THEY DO NOT RECEIVE LAND ALTERATION PERMIT AND THE TREE REMOVAL FEE, THOSE FEES COULD BE INCREASED EVEN FURTHER AS A PENALTY THAT THAT OR HAVE SOME TYPE OF AFTER THE FACT PENALTY, WE COULD ADD LANGUAGE INTO CODE THAT WHEN THERE IS A ANY UNPERMITTED LAND ALTERATION OR TREE REMOVAL THAT ALL OTHER REVIEWS APPROVAL CONSIDERATIONS OF THAT PROJECT HALT UNTIL THE. WHETHER IT'S THE LAND ALTERATION PERMIT. IF IT ALSO HAS TREE REMOVAL FEES WITH IT. UNTIL THOSE THINGS ARE REMEDIED. 
          SO THAT WOULD INCENTIVIZE THE DEVELOPMENT TO GO AHEAD AND GET THOSE ADDRESSED INSTEAD OF CONTINUING, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE APPROVAL PROCESS, PERMITTING PROCESS, WHATEVER THEY MAY BE WORKING ON. THE. ADDITIONALLY, WE COULD STRENGTHEN SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS, AS I MENTIONED, THE SPECULATIVE CLEARING AS TO WHAT'S REQUIRED BEFORE YOU'RE 
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ACTUALLY ALLOWED TO, YOU KNOW, TO REQUEST A LAND ALTERATION AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT. THE MINIMUM TREE PRESERVATION REQUIREMENTS. WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT SAYS THERE'S A MINIMUM, YOU KNOW, PERCENTAGE OR NUMBER OF TREES OR ANYTHING THAT YOU SHALL RETAIN ON SITE, IF THAT'S A DIRECTION CITY COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO GO. YOU KNOW, WE WOULD WANT YOUR FEEDBACK ON THAT. THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, PROS AND CONS OF HOW YOU CAN AND CAN'T SAVE TREES. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE'D HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, LOOK INTO AND BRING YOU GUYS BACK LANGUAGE. ADDITIONALLY, THE STOP WORK ORDERS, WHICH IS SORT OF WHAT I WAS INFERRING THERE, ALLOWING THEN THE ENFORCEMENT BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN THOSE INSTANCES WHEN THERE'S BEEN REPETITIVE OR NONCOMPLIANCE IN, IN STOPPING THOSE ACTIVITIES. AND THEN AGAIN, CHANGING THE LEGAL METHODS FOR ENFORCEMENT WHEN WE HAVE THOSE SITUATIONS GOING ON. 
          SO THAT SORT OF WALKED THROUGH THE BULLET POINTS THAT WE HAD IN THE ITEM SUMMARY FOR YOU AND HAPPY TO, TO HEAR WHAT COUNCILS THOUGHTS ARE AND WHAT DIRECTION YOU GUYS WANT TO GIVE US THIS EVENING. OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCIL, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. HOW OFTEN DOES THIS HAPPEN THAT. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S NOT IT'S NOT A ONE TIME THING. I MEAN, IT'S I DON'T KNOW, HE PROBABLY HAS A GOOD PERSPECTIVE OVER THE YEARS TOO. I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S DOESN'T HAPPEN ALL THE TIME. BUT WHEN IT HAPPENS, IT'S USUALLY VERY LARGE PARCELS AND IT'S VERY NOTICEABLE AND VERY DISRUPTIVE TO THE NEIGHBORS AROUND IT. OKAY. AND SO LIKE THE ONE THAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED, AND I SENT YOU SOME MORE INFORMATION ON THAT IS A VERY LARGE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY ACRES THAT IS. IT'S OVER 100 ACRES, I BELIEVE. AND SO WHILE THEY WERE DOING WORK ON HALF OF THE PROPERTY, WE DON'T HAVE PLANS FOR THE REST OF THE PROPERTY. AND THEY KEEP, YOU KNOW, THEY THEY'VE GOT A FINE OR A FEE RIGHT NOW OF OVER $400,000, AND THEY'RE NOT PAYING IT. AND THEY'RE TRYING TO SUBMIT DIFFERENT THINGS TO US. AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'RE THE NO. YOU DID SOMETHING WRONG. 
          YOU HAVE TO CORRECT THAT ISSUE BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD ON ANY OTHER ISSUES. I DON'T THINK THAT ONCE. WELL, LET ME BACK UP. I THINK ONCE WE DO THIS ONCE OR TWICE, WORD WILL GET OUT. NOT TO CLEAR AND NOT TO NOT TO MOONSCAPE. BEFORE YOU HAVE YOUR APPROVALS. AND I, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO TAKE MORE THAN 1 OR 2 OF THEM. AND, AND WE WILL NOT HAVE THIS PROBLEM. REAL QUICK QUESTION. SO RIGHT NOW, WHAT ARE THE FINES TO CLARIFY FOR COUNCIL? SO WE CAN JUST TAKE. BECAUSE I HAVE THE NUMBERS IN MY HEAD, THE THE PROPERTY THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY, THEY THE PROPERTY SIZE, THEY MAX OUT AT A $400,000 FINE. WELL, HANG ON, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S CLARIFY. RIGHT. BECAUSE WE'VE GOT OUR DEVELOPMENT FEE AND TREE REMOVAL FEE, WHICH WHEN YOU KNOW, THERE'S A RANGE BASED ON THE PROPERTY ACREAGE AND THE NORMAL PROCESS WOULD BE FOR THEM TO EITHER IDENTIFY THE TREES THAT ARE BEING REMOVED OR DO A SURVEY OF A PERCENTAGE OF THE OF THE SITE TO CREATE AN ESTIMATE OF WHAT THAT DEVELOPMENT FEE WOULD BE. RIGHT. SO, SO FOR IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PARTICULAR PROPERTY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, BECAUSE BECAUSE THEY DID CLEARING WITHOUT A PRIOR APPROVAL, AND GIVEN THE EXISTING CODE LANGUAGE THAT WE HAVE, WE MAX THEM OUT AT THE MAXIMUM 400 ZERO ZERO $0 DEVELOPMENT FEE FOR THAT TREE REMOVAL. TREE REMOVAL, VERY SEPARATE FROM POTENTIAL CODE ENFORCEMENT FINES FOR VIOLATION OF OF THE CODE. RIGHT. AND SO BY, BY STATUTE, OUR LIMITATION ON AN INITIAL VIOLATION OF CODE IS $250 PER DAY. OR IF THE VIOLATIONS DEEMED IRREPARABLE, IT'S ABOUT A $5,000, $5,000 FINE. RIGHT. AND SO AGAIN, THIS IS WHERE, YOU KNOW, THERE THERE'S A BALANCE OF TRYING TO COME UP WITH HOW TO HOW DO WE DISINCENTIVIZE, RIGHT. AND SO ONE OF, ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS IS WE CAN INCREASE THAT MAXIMUM FEE WHERE, WHERE WORK IS DONE WITHOUT THAT PRIOR APPROVAL, WITHOUT THAT UNDERLYING ESTIMATE OR. AND I BELIEVE PART OF THE DISCUSSION AT OUR LAST COUNCIL MEETING WHERE THIS CAME UP WAS, HOW DO WE GET THIS TO STOP SO THAT IT DOESN'T HAPPEN? AND SO RIGHT NOW, AND THIS IS SORT OF THAT THAT LAST ELEMENT AND PART OF MY CONTRIBUTION TO THIS ITEM REPORT, THE CURRENT CODE IS VERY SPECIFIC THAT VIOLATIONS OF THE TREE PRESERVATION AND LAND ALTERATION PROCESS WITH IN OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND ANY VIOLATIONS OF THAT ONLY GO TO THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD, WHICH WHICH THEN MAKES IT TOUGH TO, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S, 
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THAT'S TYPICALLY A, YOU GIVE A NOTICE, YOU WAIT 30 DAYS, YOU TAKE THEM TO A CODE BOARD HEARING. THAT ONLY HAPPENS ONCE EVERY SIX WEEKS. AND THEN WHAT CAN YOU DO? A $250 A DAY FINE. 
          AND SO MUCH AS WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING THAT WE DO IT ON A REGULAR BASIS, IF IT'S COUNCIL DIRECTION TO SAY, MAKE SURE THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN, THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO CAN REALLY HAVE TEETH TO DO THAT ARE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND SO IF WE EXPAND THE RANGE OF OPTIONS FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT IN GENERAL TO INCLUDE OUR STANDARD LANGUAGE IN CODE, WHICH IS VIOLATIONS OF CODE ARE UP TO A $500 A DAY FINE OR IMPRISONMENT OF UP TO 60 DAYS. THAT'S WHERE THE REAL TEETH IS, RIGHT? I KNOW NO ONE WANTS TO SEE POLICE DEPARTMENT SHOWING UP SAYING, STOP OR I'M GOING TO ARREST YOU. AND AND LEGALLY, WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT BECAUSE I'M ACTUALLY FOR THAT PERSONALLY. AGAIN, THERE ARE THERE ARE POLICY IMPLICATIONS TO IT BASED ON IF IF WE DO A CUSTODIAL ARREST, IF WE CHARGE PEOPLE IN THAT CRIMINAL SENSE AND THEY END UP BEING INDIGENT AND NOT BEING ABLE TO AFFORD THEIR OWN DEFENSE, WE WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT AS WELL. SO, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THESE ARE DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD ABOUT SAFE USE OF STREETS, ABOUT PUBLIC CAMPING, RIGHT? THERE ARE BUSINESS DECISIONS AND POLICY IMPLICATIONS WITH DOING THAT. BUT FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE, YOU'RE YOU'RE FINE. GOTCHA. SO SO AND THEN SO IT'S COUNCILS. IT WOULD BE COUNCIL'S DIRECTION ON WHAT I THINK MISS HANLEY THANK YOU STAFF BECAUSE I'M I'M THE ONE WHO KEPT PUSHING FOR THIS. AND I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY HAS SEEN THE MOONSCAPE AT MAYFAIR THAT I DON'T THINK WE DON'T MISS IT. 
          YEAH. SUN BEAMS OFF OF IT. YEAH. IT'S MOONSCAPE. I DON'T THINK ANY OF US WANT TO SEE THAT AGAIN. SO I'M ASKING EVERYBODY WITH THE BULLET WHAT'S ONE, TWO, THREE, THE SIX BULLETS THAT THEY GO FORWARD WITH THAT THE THE. AND THAT'S GREAT. THE ONE, THE ONE THING I WILL CAVEAT ALL OF THIS WITH, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TALK ABOUT WITH STAFF FURTHER BECAUSE THIS, THIS IS WITHIN OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WHEN WE'RE. BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH SENATE BILL 180 IS STILL BEING CHALLENGED BY MULTIPLE NEW MUNICIPALITIES, IT'S STATUS IS SORT OF UP IN THE AIR, RIGHT? SO SO THERE'S, THERE'S SOME EVALUATION WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO OF IF WE'RE ADDING MORE OWNER, IT'S ONE, IT'S ONE THING TO INCREASE FEES. I THINK THERE'S A DISTINCTION THERE, RIGHT? WE'VE WE'VE SAID THAT FEES ON THEIR OWN ARE NOT A LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATION. I WOULD ALSO ARGUE THAT ENFORCEMENT METHODS OF EXISTING CODE REGULATIONS IS NOT A MORE ONEROUS LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATION. WE'RE JUST CHANGING THE MANNER IN WHICH WE CAN ENFORCE IT. BUT WHEN WE IF WE START CHANGING THINGS THAT ARE TRULY MORE BURDENSOME LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT IT IN TERMS OF SENATE BILL 180. SO SO THAT'S A THAT'S A TIMING ISSUE ON WHEN THINGS POTENTIALLY GET IMPLEMENTED, GO. CAN WE GO FORWARD WITH THIS WITH EVERY MOST EVERYTHING HERE, I KNOW THAT WE MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO GET IT ALL, LIKE, LET'S SAY IN TWO WEEKS OR A MONTH OR SO, BUT LET'S GO AS MUCH AS WE CAN GO FORWARD. SO WE'RE NOT SITTING BACK ON OUR HEELS AND GOING, LETTING THIS GO FORWARD. MAYOR, A QUICK QUESTION. WHAT SORT OF CHARGE WOULD IT BE? WOULD IT BE LIKE A TICKET OR WOULD THEY BE ARRESTED? YEAH, IT'S A IT'S A IT'S A MUNICIPAL ORDINANCE VIOLATION, THE SAME AS WHAT, A OPEN CONTAINER OR A URINATING IN PUBLIC TYPE OF CHARGE. OH, OKAY. WHICH, WHICH WHICH WE WOULD HAVE TO PUT THE BILL FOR, FOR THE PROSECUTION. YEAH. WE DON'T HAVE AN ACTIVE AGREEMENT WITH THE STATE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, BUT GENERALLY, GENERALLY WHERE THERE WHERE THERE'S THAT TYPE OF ELEMENT, THE STATE'S ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HANDLES THAT PROSECUTION. AND THEN AND THEN I, I, I MEAN, I'M NOT SAYING THE, I GUESS. 
          DEFINITELY DEFINED. I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, 100 ACRE PARCELS, OVER 100 ACRES, 400 THOUSAND DOLLARS IS NOT A DROP IN THE BUCKET FOR THEM. I MEAN, I, I, I'D START AT LEAST AT A MILLION. 
          I MEAN, YOU REALLY WANT TO GO GO AT THEM. I WOULD PUT IT, I WOULD PUT IT A MILLION. I'D GO AMOUNT BEGINS AT $5,000 FOR A 2.5 ACRE PARCELS. I'D GO AT 2000. BUT WE. BUT WE'RE BACK TO THE 180. THAT'S THE PROBLEM. YOU KNOW, THE SENATE BILL 180. I I'M NOT DENYING YOU THAT, BUT IT'S THE SENATE BILL. CAN WE DO THAT WITH THE SENATE BILL? 180? THERE'S IT'S IT'S ALL UP IN THE AIR. BUT WE HAVE WE HAVE IN THE PAST DISTINGUISHED DEVELOPMENT FEES FROM LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. SO BUT AND AGAIN, RIGHT. WE'VE WE'VE MODIFIED THIS FEE STRUCTURE TWICE ALREADY, RIGHT. THE FIRST ITERATION OF THIS ORDINANCE THAT COUNCIL ADOPTED DIDN'T 
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HAVE ANY MAXIMUMS. RIGHT. AND THEN SOME OF THESE LARGE PARCEL DEVELOPMENTS CAME IN AND SAID, WHOA, I'M DOING MY TREE SURVEY AND I'VE GOT POTENTIALLY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN TREE REMOVAL FEES. AND SO WE CAME UP WITH THIS TIERED STRUCTURE BASED ON THE ACREAGE OF THE PROPERTY TO TRY AND GIVE THOSE DEVELOPMENTS SOME PREDICTABILITY IN WHAT IN WHAT THEIR DEVELOPMENT COSTS MAY, MAY LOOK LIKE, YOU KNOW, ON THAT BASIS OF, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF SITES GIVEN STORMWATER AND OTHER, YOU KNOW, ELEVATION CONSIDERATIONS AREN'T ABLE TO SAVE A LOT OF TREES. SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IF WE WERE DISTINGUISHING A, THE DEVELOPMENT FEE FOR DOING, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR YOU, IF YOU, IF YOU CLEAR YOUR PROPERTY WITHOUT THE PRIOR APPROVALS, IF THAT'S A HIGHER LEVEL FEE THAN THE STANDARD, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN EVALUATE AND LOOK AND LOOK INTO. AS YOU KNOW, I THAT'S SORT OF A, I DON'T KNOW HOW PENAL YOU REALLY WANT IT TO BE. OR AGAIN, RIGHT. IT'S JUST A TO DISINCENTIVIZE THAT TYPE OF ACTIVITY, WE CAN TRY AND STRUCTURE THE, THE ORDINANCE AND THE FEES TO, TO INDICATE, RIGHT. IF, IF YOU, IF YOU DO IT WITHOUT, WITHOUT THE, THE PERMIT, IT'S NOT JUST THE MAXIMUM. WE'RE GOING TO DO A MAXIMUM PLUS. RIGHT. AND I, AND I THINK JENNY SAID IT BEST, I MEAN TO, YOU KNOW, TO DO THIS AND YOU AND YOU AND HER TO REVISE THIS. HOW DO WE DO THAT? AND, AND, YOU KNOW, EVERY, EVERY CASE IS, IS DIFFERENT. AND, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE CUTTING DOWN A TREE TO PUT A SHED UP IS ONE THING. BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE PERCEPTION THAT WHAT WE'VE SEEN AT THE MOON SCAPING AND, YOU KNOW, EVEN THE PERCEPTION FOR OUR RESIDENTS IS LIKE, OH, WE ALLOWED IT. WE DIDN'T, NOBODY ALLOWED IT. NOBODY COULD STOP IT. BUT WE CAN, WE NEED TO PUT GUARDRAILS IN PLACE. YEAH. AND WHICH, WHICH AGAIN, IT PUTS SOMETHING OUT THERE THAT IF IT HAPPENS, NOBODY WILL DO IT AGAIN. I'M TO THE TEETH BEFORE. YEAH. BUT OBVIOUSLY IT WASN'T GOOD ENOUGH TO CATCH YOUR ATTENTION. YES. GOOD. ADAM, HOW WOULD THIS AFFECT IS THIS ONLY GOING FORWARD OR DOES THIS AFFECT THE CURRENT SITUATION YOU ALL ARE IN? LIKE IF, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU SAID IT WAS MAXED OUT AT THAT CERTAIN FEE STRUCTURE, IF THIS WERE PASSED BEFORE THAT WERE RESOLVED, DOES THAT MAXIMUM NOW INCREASE OR IS THAT MORE OF A. 
          I'M JUST CURIOUS. I WOULD SAY BECAUSE BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY HAPPENED, IT'S DIFFICULT TO APPLY IT RETROACTIVELY. OKAY. BUT CAN WE DO CAN WE GO AFTER THE CURRENT SITUATION? NO, I BELIEVE THAT'S. MR. NEWMAN'S QUESTION IS, IS COULD COULD A NEW FEE STRUCTURE APPLY TO. NOT THE AMOUNT, BUT THE THE PUNITIVE. NO, NO. CAN I ASK ONE? AND THE REASON THAT I THAT I ASK IS BECAUSE YOU YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT, OH, IF THIS HAPPENS 1 OR 2 MORE TIMES, GOD FORBID THIS HAPPENS 1 OR 2 MORE TIMES. IT'S A VERY, YOU KNOW, TOUGH SITUATION. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S THAT BECAUSE I'M GOING THROUGH THESE BULLET POINTS AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE TO GIVE SOME DIRECTION ON THIS. WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MINIMUM TREE PRESERVATION REQUIREMENTS, IS THAT PRESERVING THE CURRENT TREES OR IS THAT REPLACING AN AMOUNT OF TREES? I'M THINKING OF LIKE A COMMUNITY WHERE YOU BUILD SOME HOUSES. THE TREE IS NOT GOING TO BE IN THE SAME LOCATION. DOES THAT COUNT AS PRESERVING A TREE OR IS THAT NOT PRESERVING A TREE? IF YOU PUT IT IN FRONT, IT WOULD BE PRESERVING THE TREE IN ITS ORIGINAL LOCATION. OKAY? IT'S TYPICALLY BECAUSE YOU WOULD DESIGN AROUND, YOU KNOW, LET'S JUST SAY YOU REQUIRED, YOU KNOW, 5% OF THE TREES TO REMAIN. AND THEN THE, THE ENGINEER WOULD DESIGN AROUND THE MOST LOGICAL AREAS WHERE THEY'D PRESERVE TREES. THAT'S SORT OF HOW IT WOULD BE APPROACHED. AND THAT'S WHAT I WANTED BECAUSE I'M THINKING OF THE A PLANNED COMMUNITY LIKE IN AVIARA. RIGHT. I MEAN, I, I'M VERY HAPPY THAT I DON'T LIVE IN AN HOA. I'M JUST GOING TO THROW THAT OUT THERE. BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THERE'S FOLKS WHO DO AND THEY LOVE THAT LIFESTYLE. AND USUALLY THEY COME IN AND EVERYONE GETS THAT ONE TREE IN THEIR YARD. WE WOULD BASICALLY NOT WE WOULD NOT BE GETTING THAT SITUATION. THEY'D HAVE TO WORK AROUND. RIGHT? THERE'S STILL CODE REQUIREMENTS, YOU KNOW, FOR A SINGLE FAMILY LOT IN A SUBDIVISION, YOU'VE GOT TO PUT FOUR TREES IN ANYWAY. NOW, IF YOU PRESERVE TREES THAT REMAINED ON THAT SINGLE FAMILY LOT, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUT ADDITIONAL IN. OKAY. AND THEN WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE STRENGTHENING, THE ADDITIONAL SUBMITTAL REQUIREMENTS FOR THE ISSUANCE OF A PERMIT, I, I KNOW I GET REALLY NERVOUS ABOUT MAKING THINGS A LOT MORE DIFFICULT FOR FOLKS WHO ARE DOING THE RIGHT THING, WHICH I KNOW IT GOES THROUGH THE PERMIT PROCESS. ARE WE JUST TALKING LIKE THIS? WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS ON SPELLING OUT WHAT THE RIGHT THINGS ARE TO DO, WHICH ARE ALREADY THE RIGHT THINGS TO DO, BUT JUST SPELLING IT OUT SO CLEARLY? SO IT'S NOT LIKE A CRAZY AMOUNT OF ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION OR THINGS THAT THEY HAVE TO SAY, OKAY, THAT'S, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE KIND OF GOING THROUGH IT. SO I MEAN, I MEAN, I, I'D BE PRETTY GOOD WITH MOST OF THESE THEN IF WE WERE TO TALK ABOUT ALL THE COUNCILMAN NEWMAN, JAMES AND CITY ENGINEER, THE 
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REQUIREMENTS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED THERE IS PRIMARILY BECAUSE ONCE WORK HAS BEEN PERFORMED WITHOUT A PERMIT, IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO GO BACK AND DETERMINE WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE, BECAUSE OFTENTIMES, ONCE THAT WORK HAS OCCURRED, IT IT WIPES OUT ANY EVIDENCE OF WHAT WAS THE PREEXISTING CONDITION, THE TREE SURVEYS, THOSE DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS. 
          THOSE ARE ALL SO THAT WE CAN ACHIEVE SOMETHING THAT IS IDENTIFIES WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE AND TRIES TO BASICALLY MEET THE SPIRIT OF THE CODE, OF WHAT THE REQUIREMENT WAS FOR A PERSON WHO HAD FOLLOWED THE APPROPRIATE PROCESS AND COME THROUGH FOR PERMITTING BEFORE THEY HAD STARTED THEIR WORK ACTIVITIES. AND MY CONCERN WOULD JUST BE, IF SOMEBODY HAS TO, YOU KNOW, GO GET A CERTAIN DOCUMENT OR CERTAIN LEGAL COUNSEL FOR SOMETHING THAT THEY PREVIOUSLY WOULD NOT HAVE NEEDED TO DO. AND IT BECOMES SO EXPENSIVE FOR THEM WHERE IT'S MAKING DEVELOPMENT MORE DIFFICULT. AND THEY SAY, THAT'S REALLY MY, MY MAIN CONCERN ON THAT AND GOING THROUGH THAT. SO I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU GUYS ARE COMING FROM THOUGH. BUT YEAH, BUT THE ONLY ONE THAT I THINK THAT I'M MOSTLY AGAINST, I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, I'M, I'M SKEPTICAL. 
          I WOULD SEE, I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE LANGUAGE OF THAT ONE LOOKS LIKE WHEN WE DO IT. I'M NOT SAYING I'D BE FOR THAT, BUT I AM SKEPTICAL OF THE MINIMUM TREE PRESERVATION IF WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL THE BULLET POINTS. BUT THE REST. ONE OF THE IMPORTANT ITEMS TO NOTE WITH THAT REGARD IS THAT WHEN WE HAVE AFTER THE FACT PERMITTING OR WE'RE HAVING TO ENGAGE A DEVELOPER OR CONTRACTOR WHO'S PERFORMED WORK WITHOUT A PERMIT, THAT TENDS TO SUBSTANTIALLY INCREASE THE COSTS AND STAFF TIME ASSOCIATED WITH GETTING TO AN APPROPRIATELY PERMITTED PROJECT THAT IS TO THE DETRIMENT OF EVERY INDIVIDUAL THAT DOES FOLLOW THE PROCESS, BECAUSE THE STAFF TIME THAT WE HAVE TO DEDICATE TO FIXING THINGS IS MUCH MORE THAN WHAT IT WOULD BE IF INDIVIDUALS FOLLOWED THE PROCESS THAT WE HAVE LAID OUT IN CODE. I DO WANT TO POINT OUT, AND I HAVEN'T TALKED TO CINDY AND JAMES ABOUT THIS SPECIFIC, THIS SPECIFIC ONE, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING MINIMUM TREE PRESERVATION REQUIREMENTS, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT THERE ARE SOME SITES THAT YOU PROBABLY CAN'T PRESERVE A SINGLE TREE BASED ON THE ELEVATION. YOU HAVE TO BUILD IT UP TO IN ORDER TO GET YOUR STORMWATER TO WORK, OR SO ON AND SO FORTH. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO PUT SOMETHING IN THE CODE THAT THAT SORT OF OUTLINES THAT IF YOU HAVE THESE CONDITIONS, YOU KNOW, WE I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO WORD IT YET, BUT WE WILL HAVE TO LOOK AT THOSE CASES BECAUSE WE CAN'T SAY THAT YOUR LOTS. UNBUILDABLE. YEAH, SURE. I HAVE A QUESTION. MY GOODNESS. OKAY, LET'S SAY WE HAVE WE WE PASS THIS TYPE OF THING. NOW WITH THE MOON, LET'S JUST PUT LIKE THE MOON SCAPING PEOPLE HERE, WE WOULD STOP. THEY WOULD. WHEN WOULD THIS COME IN ON THE SECOND BULLET POINT, REJECTING ANY ADDITIONAL PLAN OR PERMIT APPLICATION. NOW WOULD THEY FIT INTO THAT OR NOT? HOW WOULD WE IF WE PASSED IT RIGHT NOW TO GO FORWARD? SO A LOT OF PERMITTING PROCEEDS LINEARLY WITHIN THE PERMITTING PROCESS. SO IF A DEVELOPER SKIPPED THE TREE CLEARING PERMIT, WHAT THAT WOULD DO IS IT WOULD CEASE ANY ACTIVE OTHER PERMIT APPLICATIONS THEY HAVE IN THE PROCESS, SUCH AS PLATTING SUCH AS THE ENGR. THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS FOR THE SITE OR ANY FURTHER LAND CLEARING. RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T HAVE A MECHANISM TO BASICALLY CEASE THAT THOSE ACTIVITIES FROM CONTINUING, AND WE'RE EFFECTIVELY REQUIRED TO ALLOW THAT INDIVIDUAL, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE VIOLATED THE FIRST STEP IN THE PROCESS, TO CONTINUE ON THROUGH THE OTHER STEPS IN THE PROCESS. WHAT THIS DOES IS IT DISINCENTIVIZES MAKING THAT INITIAL VIOLATION OF CODE WHERE THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO OBTAIN A PERMIT. 
          IT'S BASICALLY PREVENTS SOMEBODY FROM JUST GOING AHEAD AND CLEARING AND SAYING, OKAY, I'M GOING TO PAY THE MAXIMUM 400, 000, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO. SIMILAR TO THE SITUATION WE'RE CURRENTLY DEALING WITH, THAT $400,000 FEE IS CURRENTLY OUTSTANDING AND HAS BEEN OUTSTANDING FOR APPROXIMATELY 8 OR 9 MONTHS AT THIS POINT, AND ALLOWING THEM TO CONTINUE TO GAIN THE BENEFIT OF PLAN REVIEWS, EVERYTHING ELSE THAT ARE IN EXCESS OF FIXING THE SITUATION THAT THEY'VE CREATED. OKAY. ANOTHER QUESTION. HOLD ON. HOW MANY HOUSES ARE THEY PUTTING IN THERE? AND, AND JUST THEY DON'T APPROXIMATELY WELL, UNDERSTAND THERE'S AN EAST AND A WEST SIDE, RIGHT? SO THE HOUSES ARE ON THE EAST SIDE. IT'S FIVE 2540 AND THOSE ARE PERMITTED. AND THOSE ARE THOSE ARE ALL THROUGH THE PROCESS CORRECTLY. BECAUSE WHERE I'M GETTING AT, IF THAT'S THE CASE. SO THERE'S THEY'RE PROBABLY OVERALL, THERE'S GOING TO BE AT LEAST 800, EIGHT, 800 HOMES WHEN THEY'RE DONE. WELL, THE WEST SIDE IS NOT NECESSARILY 
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PROPOSED A SINGLE FAMILY. RIGHT. OKAY. BECAUSE WE'RE, I GUESS WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT, IT WOULD BE I MEAN, IT WOULD BE LESS THAN $1,000 A HOUSE. TO CLEAR UP. I MEAN, THE WAY IT IS NOW, WHY NOT CLEAR? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU TACK ON $750 A HOME. YOU KNOW, WE'LL KEEP BUILDING, DOING WHATEVER WE DO. AND THAT JUST MAKES OUR LIFE EASIER. AND THAT. SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT KIND OF FINE YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS 500 TO $750 PER HOME. THAT'S IT. I MEAN, THAT'S TO ME, THAT'S NOT REALLY A FINE. BUT IF WE PUT IF WE PASS THIS, THEY CAN'T DO GO FORWARD. EXACTLY. 
          WE PASS TO THE POINT WHERE YOU. BECAUSE AGAIN, THAT THAT MONEY HAS TO BE MADE UP ON THAT BACK END. AND THEN IF WE PASS THIS TO THEN WE HAVE THE POLICE AUTHORIZATION HERE SAYING THEY CAN GO IN. I, I MEAN, I DON'T I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM PASSING THAT PART. THE ONLY ISSUE IT THAT TO ME THAT DOESN'T HAVE REAL TEETH, THAT DOESN'T HAVE REAL TEETH, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT I'VE SEEN IT IN MY OFFICE BUILDING. PEOPLE DID SOMETHING WE HAD TO CALL CODE ENFORCEMENT, AND THEY KEPT GOING ON AND DOING IT AND CODE ENFORCEMENT. THAT'S WHY I WAS REALLY SURPRISED THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE THIS, BECAUSE THEY ENDED UP MANY ABOUT 15 YEARS AGO IN MY OFFICE BUILDING, AND CODE ENFORCEMENT ENDED UP BRINGING THE POLICE OFFICERS IN AND ARRESTING THE GUY TWICE IN ONE DAY, DID IT IN THE MORNING AND THEN DID IT IN THE EVENING. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, AND I, AGAIN, NOT TAKING ANYTHING FROM THAT KIND OF THAT INCIDENT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A OVER, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED ACRES AND, AND YOU'RE CLEARING, JUST STRIPPING LAND, DID THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT TO ME, YOU KNOW, STOPPING THAT MOMENTUM AND SAYING, YOU'RE DONE, YOU KNOW, UNTIL WE FIX THIS PROBLEMS WOULD REALLY WOULD REALLY SHAKE PEOPLE UP BECAUSE AGAIN, YOUR, YOUR OPERATION COMES TO A HALT. 
          YOU GOT FINES TO PAY. I MEAN, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO INCENTIVE AT THAT POINT. GOOD. 
          SIR, IF I CAN CLARIFY ONE, ONE ELEMENT OF THIS, RIGHT. AS A LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATION, PROPERTY OWNERS AND DEVELOPERS, LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS TYPICALLY ONLY APPLY PROSPECTIVELY FROM THE DATE THAT THEY'RE THAT THEY'RE ADOPTED. BECAUSE ONCE YOU'RE IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, THOSE LAND DEVELOPERS AND PROPERTY OWNERS ARE ENTITLED TO THE APPLICATION OF, OF THE RULES THAT WERE IN PLACE WHEN, WHEN THEY STARTED THE PROCESS. 
          SO THERE MAY BE THERE MAY BE A LITTLE BIT OF, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING GENERALLY ABOUT THE PROPERTY WEST OF THE CANAL, BUT THERE ARE SOME ELEMENTS OF THAT, OF THAT PROPERTY WEST OF THE CANAL THAT ARE SORT OF IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, AND SO MAY NOT THEN BE SUBJECT TO EVERYTHING THAT WE THAT WE ADOPT PROSPECTIVELY BASED ON THIS, ON, ON THIS. AT THE SAME TIME, THERE'S STILL A LARGE COMPONENT OF THAT PROPERTY THAT VERY LIKELY MEETS THAT DEFINITION OF SPECULATIVE CLEARING, RIGHT? WITH NO DEVELOPMENT PLAN, NO DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS, NO, NO NOTHING, NOTHING GOING ON OTHER THAN THE ACTIVITIES THAT THAT OCCURRED. RIGHT. SO I JUST WANT TO TEMPER EXPECTATIONS A LITTLE BIT ON IT'S, IT'S ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS ON THE PROPERTY WHERE, WHERE THAT PORTION OF THE PROPERTY MAY BE WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, SO ON AND SO FORTH. CAN I ASK A QUESTION? I ALSO WANT TO ADD NOT TO TAKE. IT'S ON A DIFFERENT PATH THAN WHAT ADAM WAS TALKING ABOUT, BUT IT IS WE'RE NOT DOING THIS FOR MORE REVENUE OR FOR INCREASED FINES. WE'RE DOING THIS TO STOP THE BAD BEHAVIOR. WE'RE DOING THIS TO PREVENT TREES AND SITES JUST BEING TOTALLY CLEARED FOR NO REASON AT ALL. CAN I ASK A HOLD ON REAL QUICK? AND THEN. MR. WHEN WE HAD THE HIGHLAND PROPERTY ABOUT A MONTH AGO, REMEMBER THAT THEY DIDN'T GET ANY OF THE PERMITS FOR THE ELECTRIC PLUMBING THEY HAD. PARDON ME? YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PINEAPPLE. IT WAS A PINEAPPLE. 
          I'M SORRY. I THOUGHT IT WAS HIGHLAND AIR. WOULD THIS FALL UNDERNEATH? WOULD WE BE BECAUSE THEY NEVER GOT PERMITS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT FOR THE THE WORK THAT THEY DID, WOULD THEY FALL UNDER THIS? I'M SORRY THAT. NO. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TREES. WELL, THEY DIDN'T GET ANY PERMITS FOR ANY OF THE WORK. WE'RE TALKING. RIGHT. RIGHT NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPMENT FEES. OKAY. AND THEN OPTIONS FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT THE ACTIONS THAT ALREADY OCCURRED ON THE MAYFAIR WEST SITE ARE BEING EVALUATED AND PROCESSED FOR CODE FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT. BUT TO DATE, THERE AREN'T THERE HASN'T BEEN A CODE CASE. THERE AREN'T CODE FINDINGS. THERE AREN'T CODE FINES THAT ARE RUNNING. IF I'M UNDERSTANDING YOU CORRECTLY, YOU'RE REFERRING BACK TO A LIEN RESCISSION REQUEST THAT THAT HAD COME BEFORE COUNCIL FOR FOR CONSIDERATION. RIGHT. SO THOSE TWO PROPERTIES ARE NOT IN THE SAME POSITION, RIGHT. BECAUSE WITH THE THE $400,000 BILL THAT MAYFAIR WEST HAS IS A DEVELOPMENT FEE, OKAY, NOT NOT A CODE ENFORCEMENT FINE. WELL, AND I'LL AND I'LL ANSWER YOUR 
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QUESTION, MISS HANLEY, I CAN TELL YOU WHAT THE CODE. IF YOU DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, LET'S SAY YOU DO A ROOF OR SOMETHING WITHOUT THE PERMIT, THEY CAN MAKE YOU TAKE THAT OFF. 
          BASICALLY, THEY CAN COME BACK AND SAY, WE NEED TO SEE THAT DRY IN OR THE ELECTRICAL PANEL. 
          THEY, THEY CAN TURN AROUND AND DO THAT. AND, AND A LOT OF TIMES, YOU KNOW THAT THAT WILL HAPPEN. REMEMBER THAT HOUSE THAT IT WAS ON PINEAPPLE, THAT IT HAD THE HOT WATER HEATERS OUTSIDE THE. WELL, THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A HOT WATER HEATER. I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. IT WAS NOT ON DEMAND. HOT WATER. WELL WATER HEATER. YEAH. WATER HEATER. 
          YEAH. HOT WATER HEATER. IT'S HOT WATER. BUT THOSE, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD THAT BACK. A BACK WALL, YOU KNOW, BACK ABOUT A MONTH OR SO AGO. YEAH. SO I MEAN, DO WE HAVE IT, YOU KNOW, FOR SOMEONE DOING THAT SHODDY OF WORK, I MEAN, SOME OF THE, THE WIRING AND ALL THAT, THEY NEVER GOT ANY OF THE PERMITS. THEY NEVER DID ANY OF THEM. THEY USED UNLICENSED CONTRACTORS. WOULD ANY OF THAT FALL INSIDE THIS? I DON'T THINK SO. THIS IS JUST THIS THIS AGAIN IS SPECIFIC TO TREE REMOVAL AND LAND ALTERATIONS, RIGHT. THAT THE PORTION OF CODE THAT THAT WE'RE REFERRING TO HERE AND THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR DIRECTION ON IS SPECIFIC TO THOSE TREE TREE REMOVAL AND LAND ALTERATION. I ASK THAT WE GO FORWARD WITH THIS. YEP. I BELIEVE WE ARE. 
          BUT HOLD ON, MR. RUSSO. I WANT TO KIND OF GET FORWARD ON THIS. I GOT ONE QUESTION. IF THIS GOES FORWARD AND THERE IS A THERE IS A COUPLE OF FOLKS OUT THERE IN THEIR LARGE EQUIPMENT, AND THEY'RE TAKING DOWN TREES AND THE POLICE. AND WE GO THROUGH THAT WHOLE PROCESS AND THE POLICE SHOW UP ON THE SCENE. WHO ARE THEY ARRESTING? ARE THEY ARRESTING THE PEOPLE WHO WERE DOING THE WORK, OR ARE THEY ARRESTING OR ARE THEY WHO ARE THEY ISSUING THE THE CITATION TO? OR IS THERE AN ACTUAL AN ARREST OR IS IT GOING TO THE OWNER? ARE YOU GOING TO PULL THAT GUY OUT OF THE TRUCK AND THROW HIM IN THE BACK OF THE CAR? I THINK ALL OF THOSE OPTIONS ARE ON THE TABLE. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO I WOULD, I WOULD CERTAINLY, I WOULD CERTAINLY HOPE IT NEVER GETS TO THAT POINT. WELL, I WOULD THINK THAT THAT THE CONTRACTOR OR SUBCONTRACTOR CLEARING THE LAND IS UNDER A CONTRACT WITH THE CONTRACTOR. TOO MANY CONTRACTS. 
          AND SO HE'S DOING WHAT HE WAS, WHAT HE WAS HIRED TO DO. RIGHT. SO I DON'T SEE HOW THAT WOULD FALL UNDER HIS PURVIEW OF BEING ARRESTED OR BEING AGAIN. RIGHT. BECAUSE HE MAY NOT HAVE EVEN BE AWARE OF IT. IT'S PROBABLY IT'S PROBABLY STEP 6 OR 10 IN THE PROCESS, WHERE STEPS ONE THROUGH EIGHT ARE THE CITY ENGINEER SHOWING UP AND ISSUING A STOP WORK ORDER AND SAYING STOP. AND THEN IF THEY CONTINUED AFTER THAT POINT, YOU'RE NOW VIOLATING THE CITY ENGINEER'S STOP WORK ORDER. AND AND THAT'S WHEN THE POLICE SHOW UP. AND THAT'S KIND OF A SLIPPERY SLOPE FOR ME, YOU KNOW? YEAH. AND MOVE FORWARD. I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S ALREADY IN THERE FOR SURE IT'S NOT. BUT IS THERE A WAY WE CAN ALSO POSSIBLY ADD THAT A WAY TO REMEDY THIS SORT OF THING THAT THEY ARE MANDATED TO PLANT TREES AND TO REPLACE THE DAMAGE THAT THEY DID. I'M SORRY, THE WE HAVE A PART OF THE THAT SECTION OF CODE THAT SORT OF SPEAKS TO THAT. IT'S USUALLY IN LIKE SMALL SCALES, OKAY, A SMALL SCALE, LIKE SMALL WATER OR SOMETHING. SO IT GETS HARD, YOU KNOW, ON A PROPERTY OF THE SIZE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY THOUSANDS OF TREES WERE THERE. YEAH. SO YEAH. PLUS IT GETS INTO DIFFICULTY OF MATURE TREE REPLACEMENT. I MEAN, IF YOU CUT A 24 INCH OAK TREE OUT, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO PHYSICALLY REPLACE THAT. THERE'S VERY FEW AGENCIES THAT HAVE THE ABILITY TO MOVE A TREE OF THAT SIZE SUCCESSFULLY. THAT'S USUALLY SOMETHING ON THE LEVEL OF LIKE DISNEY. THAT'S SOMETHING THEY DO AND THEY DO IT AT EXTREME COST. AND IT'S, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO PULL OFF A REPLANTING OF A TREE THAT SIZE. SO MAYBE ANOTHER DETERRENT, RIGHT? A LOT OF THIS IS DETERRING IT FROM HAPPENING BECAUSE LIKE I SAID EARLIER, ONCE A PROPERTY IS CLEARED OR THOSE TREES ARE REMOVED, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO RESTORE A SITE TO WHAT IT ORIGINALLY WAS OR TO EVEN REPLACE TREES WITH MATURE TREES THAT ACTUALLY HAVE A CHANCE OF SURVIVAL. I MEAN, USUALLY YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REPLACE IT, YOU KNOW, 4 OR 6 INCH SAPLINGS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, NOT MATURE TREE SPECIES. SO SO ARE WE GOOD ON THIS? WE WE GOT DIRECTIONS ON THIS. ARE YOU GOOD, MISS LEE? I GUESS IT'S MORE OF A WERE THERE ANY WERE ANY OF THOSE BULLET POINTS THAT THERE IS CONSENSUS TO NOT MOVE FORWARD ON. DO YOU WANT TO PUT PUT MORE ON THERE ON BULLET POINT ONE. WELL, YEAH, WE WANTED TO INCREASE THAT. CORRECT. YEAH. INCREASE IT. WE DO. WOULD WE SAY $20,000 FOR 2.5 ACRE PARCEL OR LESS AND ENDS AT $1 MILLION FOR PARCELS 
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OVER 100 ACRES? SOUNDS GOOD TO ME. IS THAT ONLY? IS THAT ONLY WHERE THE THE WORK HAS OCCURRED WITHOUT THOSE NECESSARY PERMITS? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. RIGHT. IT WILL APPLY. THERE'S SEVERAL OTHER THRESHOLD TIERS IN THERE, BUT WE WOULD APPLY SOME SORT OF AN EQUIVALENT INCREASE. OKAY. 
          YEAH. AND THEN AND THEN OF COURSE THE STOP WORK AND NO PERMIT. THEY STOP UNTIL IT KIND OF CORRECT IT. WE GO WITH THAT. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. PERFECT. THANK YOU. I THINK WE'RE GOOD ON HERE. 
          [20. Discussion of the Mayor and Council travel and per diem / training and education expenditures and policies. (Requested by Council Member Mark LaRusso)]
SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 20. THIS IS GOING TO BE COUNCIL DISCUSSION. KEVIN MCEWEN. THANK YOU MAYOR. SO AS COUNCIL KNOWS DURING THE ADOPTION OF THE BUDGET, THERE ARE TWO LINE ITEMS IN THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL BUDGET THAT RELATE TO YOUR TRAVEL AND PER DIEM EXPENSES AND TRAINING AND EDUCATION EXPENSES. AND AS YOU'RE AWARE, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS ON THE DAIS ABOUT THE EXPENDITURE OF THOSE FUNDS AND HOW TO ADEQUATELY DISBURSE THOSE AMONGST CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MOST RECENTLY, COUNCIL MEMBERS. COUNCIL MEMBER RUSSO'S IDEA WAS TO ESSENTIALLY COMBINE THOSE TWO FUNDS INTO ONE POT AND EQUALLY DISTRIBUTE THEM AMONGST COUNCIL, WITH THE MAYOR RECEIVING A LITTLE BIT EXTRA ON TOP. AND SO TO EFFECTUATE, THAT CHANGE HAS SOME POLICY IMPLICATIONS INTO EXISTING CITY COUNCIL POLICIES. 
          AND SHOULD COUNCIL DESIRE TO GO IN THAT DIRECTION IN IN COMBINING THOSE TWO FUNDS AND ADEQUATELY DISPERSING THEM, WE WOULD RECOMMEND SOME CHANGES TO COUNCIL POLICY. AND THE TWO POLICIES I'M DISCUSSING ARE COUNCIL POLICY 16, WHICH ESSENTIALLY GIVES PRE AUTHORIZATION FOR YOU TO ATTEND FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES EVENTS AND COUNCIL POLICY 36, WHICH IS THE ADOPTED POLICY ON HOW FUNDS FROM THE TRAVEL AND PER DIEM BUDGET ARE EXPENDED. AND SO WHAT I WANT COUNCIL TO CONSIDER IS THAT THIS IS ESSENTIALLY A NEW POLICY THAT REALLY INCORPORATES THE TWO EXISTING POLICIES AND LANGUAGE WITHIN THOSE POLICIES, AND THEN SORT OF ACCOUNTS FOR ANOTHER BUCKET OF FUNDS THAT ISN'T NECESSARILY ALWAYS AT EVERYONE'S FOREFRONT. 
          SO THE REVISED POLICY 42, AS IN THE AGENDA PACKAGE, STARTS OUT IN THE FIRST PART BY ESSENTIALLY RECOGNIZING COUNCIL'S MONTHLY EXPENSE ALLOWANCE THAT'S PROVIDED BY CITY CODE. SO THAT'S PART OF YOUR SALARY APPEARS ON IT SHOULD BE ON YOUR SECOND PAYCHECK OF EVERY MONTH. THE MAYOR RECEIVES A CERTAIN AMOUNT. COUNCIL MEMBERS RECEIVE A DIFFERENT AMOUNT. THERE'S NO AUTHORIZATION REQUIRED FOR THE EXPENDITURE OF THOSE FUNDS. 
          THEY GO TO YOU AND THEY ARE GENERALLY CONSIDERED A MILEAGE REIMBURSEMENT, SIMILAR TO EMPLOYEES WHO DRIVE MILEAGE. YOU'RE CONDUCTING BUSINESS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. YOU'RE GOING TO EVENTS THAT'S ESSENTIALLY CONSIDERED A MILEAGE REIMBURSEMENT AND IS A POT OF MONEY AVAILABLE TO YOU TO USE AS YOU SEE FIT IN THE CAPACITY OF YOUR OFFICIAL DUTIES? AND SO THE POLICY RECOGNIZES THAT THIS SET AMOUNT EXISTS. YOU CAN USE IT WITHOUT ANY AUTHORIZATION FROM COUNCIL AND CAN BE USED IN A VARIETY OF WAYS. AND SO THE SECOND PART OF THIS REVISED POLICY SORT OF ESTABLISHES COUNCIL MEMBER RUSSO'S IDEA, AND WE'VE CALLED IT AN ADMINISTRATIVE EXPENSE ACCOUNT. AND ESSENTIALLY DURING THE ADOPTION OF THE BUDGET, THOSE TWO LINE ITEMS ARE DISCUSSED. YOU ALL MADE SOME CHANGES AT THE FIRST BUDGET PUBLIC HEARING TO REDUCE THOSE LINE ITEMS. ESSENTIALLY, WHAT WE WOULD DO IS DURING THE ADOPTION OF COUNCIL'S BUDGET, WE WOULD COMBINE THOSE TWO. THE SUM OF THAT WOULD BE EQUALLY DISTRIBUTED AS I PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED. AND THOSE FUNDS ARE INTENDED FOR YOU TO SUPPLEMENT YOUR MONTHLY EXPENSE ALLOWANCE THAT YOU RECEIVE AS PART OF YOUR POSITION HERE ON COUNCIL. 
          SO I WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT IT AS SORT OF COUNCIL RECEIVES TWO SORT OF POTS, BUT ULTIMATELY THERE'S A COMBINED FUNDING AMOUNT AND 75 TO 80%. 80% OF THAT FUNDING IS AVAILABLE TO YOU AS PART OF YOUR MONTHLY EXPENSE ALLOWANCE. YOU CAN SPEND AS YOU SEE FIT. SO A VERY SMALL AMOUNT OF THAT IS WHERE IT COMES OUT OF THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL BUDGET. SO IF YOU'RE WITH ME SO FAR, AND PLEASE FEEL FREE TO INTERRUPT THE SECOND PART OF THE REVISED POLICY ESSENTIALLY BRINGS IN LANGUAGE FROM THOSE TWO EARLIER POLICIES THAT I DISCUSSED, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY THE PREAUTHORIZATION TO ATTEND CERTAIN EVENTS, RIGHT? WE GO TO SPACE COAST LEAGUE OF CITIES DINNER MEETINGS EVERY MONTH. YOU DO NOT WANT TO ADD AN ITEM TO EVERY COUNCIL AGENDA TO RECOGNIZE WHO'S GOING TO NEXT MONTH'S DINNER MEETING AND HAVING THAT CONVERSATION. THERE'S VALUE IN HAVING THAT PREAUTHORIZATION. SO THAT REMAINS IN THERE WITH A SLIGHT CHANGE. THE CURRENT POLICY TALKS ABOUT TRAVEL TO EVENTS HOSTED BY THOSE THREE ORGANIZATIONS LISTED BELOW. THE FIRST BULLET POINT, THE SPACE COAST LEAGUE OF CITIES, SPACE COAST CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, AND THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION. THE CURRENT POLICY STATES FOR EVENTS HOSTED WITHIN BREVARD COUNTY. AND SO WE TOOK 
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THE OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE THAT TO WITHIN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN REGULAR INTEREST OVER THE LAST 3 TO 4 YEARS IN ATTENDING THE CHAMBER'S LEADERSHIP RETREAT. 
          THERE WAS NOT A THING IN THE PAST. IT'S RELATIVELY NEW AND PEOPLE HAVE GONE FOR SEVERAL YEARS. SO THAT'S A CHANGE THAT WAS MADE. YOU HAVE EVERY ABILITY IN YOUR DISCRETION TO REVERT THAT BACK OR CHANGE IT HOWEVER YOU SEE FIT. AND THEN THE SECOND PART IS, AGAIN, THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES PREAUTHORIZATION TO ATTEND ALL OF THOSE EVENTS. THERE'S JUST A SAMPLING BELOW THERE, THE ANNUAL CONFERENCE, LEGISLATIVE CONFERENCE, POLICY COMMITTEE MEETINGS, VARIOUS EDUCATIONAL TOPICS. WE TOOK AN OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE THIS AS WELL BY ADDING WITHIN THE STATE OF FLORIDA THAT THAT LANGUAGE DOESN'T CURRENTLY EXIST. SO WE ADDED THAT TO MATCH THE FIRST ONE. AND FOR EACH OF THESE, WE RETAIN THE FINDINGS OF VALID PUBLIC PURPOSE. AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO DECLARE A VALID PUBLIC PURPOSE FOR CONDUCTING THIS TRAVEL. SO THERE'S RECOGNITION IN THE IN THE REVISED POLICY WHICH EXISTS ALREADY TO SAY THESE EVENTS SERVE A VALID PUBLIC PURPOSE. AND SO WE'VE NOT. YES, MA'AM. I WAS JUST READING THAT LAST LINE. OKAY. YOU'RE GOOD. SO THE POLICY CONTINUES TO REMAIN THE SAME BY ESSENTIALLY STATING THAT BEYOND THOSE ORGANIZATIONS LISTED ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, A REQUEST TO EXPEND FUNDS FROM THESE ADMINISTRATIVE EXPENSE ACCOUNTS, RIGHT. OR DOLLARS THAT ARE SPENT OUT OF THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL BUDGET REQUIRE APPROVAL FROM CITY COUNCIL. SO THAT'S WHERE YOU USUALLY SEND MY OFFICE A REQUEST AND SAY, HEY, I'D LIKE TO GO TO THIS EVENT. 
          IT'S NOT WITHIN COUNCIL POLICY 36, AND WE PLACE AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA, AND YOU ALL CONSIDER WHETHER OR NOT YOU ARE WILLING TO APPROVE THAT PERSON'S TRAVEL EXPENDITURE, AND THEN A REQUEST TO EXPEND FUNDS FROM THESE ACCOUNTS TO ATTEND EVENTS OUTSIDE OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA, WHICH IS A NEW ELEMENT, AS I AS I SAID, WE ADDED THAT TO THE LEAGUE OF CITIES. AND SO WE'RE TAKING AN OPPORTUNITY TO TO CLARIFY THAT IT ESSENTIALLY MEANS ANYTHING OUT OF THE STATE, EVEN IF IT'S SPACE COAST LEAGUE OF CITIES ATTENDING SOME OTHER FUNCTION OR FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES EVENT WOULD REQUIRE COUNCIL APPROVAL, AND THESE ADMINISTRATIVE EXPENSE ACCOUNTS WILL NEED TO BE TRACKED. SO MY OFFICE WILL TAKE THAT RESPONSIBILITY. WE'LL MONITOR AND TRACK THE EXPENSES THAT ARE BEING INCURRED BY INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS. AND THE POLICY REQUIRES US TO PROVIDE YOU WITH A WRITTEN REPORT. I THINK IT WAS WRITTEN TO SAY THE FIRST COUNCIL MEETING OF EVERY MONTH. YOU'LL EACH INDIVIDUALLY RECEIVE JUST ESSENTIALLY A STATUS OF YOUR EXPENSE ACCOUNT THAT DAY. THIS IS WHERE SOME OF THE CONVERSATION REALLY DEPENDS ON YOU. BUT WE TOOK PREVIOUS CONVERSATION TO ESSENTIALLY SAY THAT THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS IF AN INDIVIDUAL'S ADMINISTRATIVE EXPENSE ACCOUNT IS AT ZERO. THERE WAS A DISCUSSION TO UTILIZE OR BORROW FUNDS FROM ANOTHER COUNCIL MEMBER'S ACCOUNT, OBVIOUSLY, WITH THAT PERSON'S CONSENT, AND THAT WOULD OBVIOUSLY NEED TO BE APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL. SO THAT'S AN ELEMENT THAT WE TOOK FROM YOUR PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS, YOUR. BUT THAT IS AT YOUR DIRECTION. GENERALLY, THIS POLICY, THIS POLICY LANGUAGE REMAINS THAT THE CITY DOESN'T PAY FOR THE COSTS OF OFFICIALS TO ATTEND EVENTS WHERE THE COST OF A TICKET WOULD BE CONSIDERED A DONATION AS PART OF A FUNDRAISER. SO YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY WILLING AND ABLE TO DO THAT IN YOUR PERSONAL CAPACITY. BUT IF THE FUNDS ARE COMING OUT OF THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL BUDGET TO PAY FOR THAT SORT OF THING, THE POLICY LANGUAGE REMAINS THE SAME AS IT DOES TODAY, THAT YOU WOULD NEED COUNCIL APPROVAL TO DO THAT. AND ADDITIONALLY, THIS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED IN THE PAST, BUT AS SORT OF MEMORIALIZED IN THIS NEW POLICY THAT FOR ALL TRAVEL PAID FROM AN ADMINISTRATIVE EXPENSE ACCOUNT, THERE WOULD BE A WRITTEN TRAVEL REPORT SUBMITTED TO THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE THAT WOULD THEN BE DISTRIBUTED TO COUNCIL, AND THAT WOULD NEED TO BE TURNED IN WITHIN SEVEN DAYS OF RETURNING FROM THE TRAVEL. IN WRITING THIS, YOU KNOW, I THINK OF THE PRACTICAL IMPLICATIONS AS WE, YOU KNOW, HELP MANAGE THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL BUDGET. ONE THING THAT THE POLICY DOESN'T ADDRESS IS OUTGOING MAYORS OR COUNCIL MEMBERS, WHETHER THAT'S TERM OUT, SEEKING REELECTION, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. THE FISCAL YEAR BEGINS OCTOBER 1ST. 
          GENERALLY, THE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE SWORN IN AT THE SECOND MEETING IN NOVEMBER. SO THERE'S A 60 DAY PERIOD OF TIME THERE WHERE YOU COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE AN OUTGOING COUNCIL MEMBER UTILIZE SOME OR ALL PORTION OF AN ADMINISTRATIVE EXPENSE ACCOUNT, AND THEN A NEW COUNCIL MEMBER COMES IN. AND FOR THE REMAINDER OF THAT FISCAL YEAR, THAT ACCOUNT IS EMPTIED. OBVIOUSLY, THEY STILL HAVE ACCESSIBLE TO THEM THE MONTHLY EXPENSE ALLOWANCE PROVIDED BY CODE. BUT THEN THAT ADMINISTRATIVE EXPENSE ACCOUNT IS IS LESSENED. 
          AND SO THAT'S JUST COUNCIL'S OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, DO WE DO WE WANT TO ADDRESS THAT? DOES IT MATTER? DOES IT NOT MATTER? IT WAS WORTH ME MENTIONING TO PUT IT IN YOUR MINDS. AND ULTIMATELY, AS THE MEMO STATES, THE RECOMMENDATION IS IF COUNCIL WISHES TO GO IN THIS DIRECTION, WE WOULD ASK YOU TO REPEAL POLICY 16 AND 36 AND ADOPT THIS NEW COUNCIL POLICY. 
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42. I KNOW THIS WAS COUNCIL MEMBER LARUSSO'S TOPIC, AND SO I'LL YIELD TO HIM IF HE HAS ANY ADDITIONS TO TO ADD TO IT. OKAY. MR. LARUSSO. OKAY. THANK YOU. MY GOAL HERE, OBVIOUSLY, WE'VE CUT EVERYTHING DOWN TO THE BONE. I MEAN, WE'VE REALLY SLICE AND DICE. AND SO HERE WE ARE WITH THE 7100 AND SOME ODD DOLLARS, $80 FOR TOTAL OF FOR TRAVEL EDUCATION PER DIEM AND, AND EVENTS. AND SO MY THINKING WAS THAT NOW WE'VE GOT SOME NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS GOING TO BE COMING UP THAT EVERYTHING BEING FAIR AND BALANCED SO THAT EVERYBODY HAS A BUCKET OF MONEY THAT THEY CAN PULL OUT OF THEIR OWN BUCKET. NOT THAT IT'S CAN'T EXPENSE EVERYTHING. I MEAN, THERE'S THERE'S JUST NO UNLIMITED AMOUNT OF MONEY. WE'RE ALREADY 4000, ALMOST $4,500 IN THE HOLE THIS YEAR SO FAR. SO WE'RE IN A DEFICIT RIGHT NOW. SO AGAIN, I'M LOOKING FOR FAIR AND BALANCED. I SEE A COUNCIL MEMBER, COUNCIL MEMBER ELECT BENNINGER OUT HERE. 
          AND SO I MEAN FOR HIM, I MEAN, HE'S GOING TO WANT TO GO TO THE THE INSTITUTE OF ELECTED MUNICIPAL OFFICERS. HE'S GOING TO WANT TO GO TO SOME OF THE DINNERS. HE'S GOING TO WANT TO GO TO A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT PLACES. SO IS THE PERSON WHO'S GOING TO BE SITTING IN THIS CHAIR AS WELL, TOO. SO THAT WAS MY GOAL. IT WASN'T BECAUSE ANYBODY SPENT MORE MONEY THAN SOMEBODY ELSE. IT WAS MY GOAL TO MAKE SURE THAT LEAVING THIS COUNCIL, I LEAVE IT JUST A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN WHAT I CAME TO IT. AND SO THAT'S THAT WAS MY GOAL ALL ALONG. SO THIS IS NOT RETRIBUTION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, WHICH IS WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM SOME PEOPLE, BUT IT IS NOT. AND I JUST WOULD PUT THAT OUT THERE FOR CONVERSATION, FOR YOU ALL TO CONSIDER MY, MY, MY, MY OPPORTUNITY TO REPEAL COUNCIL NUMBER 16 AND 36 AND MAKE IT A NEW COUNCIL POLICY OF NUMBER 42. MAYOR. GO AHEAD, SIR, I'VE GOT THREE QUESTIONS ON IT. JUST BECAUSE I'M INTERESTED. I THINK IT'S WELL, WELL THOUGHT OUT BY THE WAY, THIS IS REALLY WELL THOUGHT OUT. SO NUMBER ONE IS IN REGARDS TO THAT TIME PERIOD, I THINK YOU SAID OCTOBER, THE OCTOBER 1ST QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT, YOU KNOW, LET'S JUST SAY THAT SINCE WE'RE USING HUNTER'S EXAMPLE, JULIE REALLY WANTS TO GO ON SOME TRIPS RIGHT NOW. AND SHE WAS LIKE, EXACTLY, YOU GOT $1,000 AND A PLANE TICKET. BUT THAT SAID, CAN IS THERE ANY ADMINISTRATIVE ISSUE? I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE A BUDGET PERSON HERE RIGHT NOW, BUT THAT YOU JUST MAKE IT A CALENDAR YEAR, YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW IT HOLDS EVERYTHING OVER FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS BASED ON HOW WE DO THE BUDGET. BUT CAN YOU DO IT BASED ON THE CALENDAR YEAR? AND WE'RE JUST TRACKING THAT INTERNALLY, OR IS THAT NOT POSSIBLE AT ALL FISCAL YEAR. I. SINCE THIS IS NEW TERRITORY, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO SAY, BUT I DON'T SEE HOW THAT'S NOT DOABLE. I MEAN, NOT IMPOSSIBLE, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE AWFUL. IT WOULD TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF FIGURING OUT OVER THE NEXT THREE MONTHS WHAT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO FOR THIS THREE MONTHS. YEAH. BECAUSE I DON'T THINK JULIE IS GOING TO TAKE HER $1,000 AND GO SOMEWHERE CRAZY, BUT IT JUST KEEPS EVERYBODY HONEST. IF IT WAS THAT WAY, IF IT WAS, LIKE I SAID, JUST SPITBALLING HERE ON THAT. SO THAT'S NUMBER ONE. WE COULD CROSS THAT BRIDGE WHEN WE GET THERE. NUMBER TWO, IF IT IS EACH INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL PERSON'S POT OF MONEY, I REALLY HAD THE DISTINCTION OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA VERSUS STATE OF FLORIDA. I DO THINK THE ORGANIZATIONS NEED TO TO STICK IN IT OF THE PRE-APPROVED ONES. 
          AND IF IT'S OUTSIDE OF THIS LIST, THEN COUNCIL SHOULD APPROVE IT. BUT I MEAN, IF MISS HANLEY WANTS TO FLY UP TO D.C. IT'S NOT MY JOB TO TELL HER NO. WITH HER MONEY, I DON'T THINK I DON'T MAKE ENOUGH MONEY TO. OH, WELL, I'M DOING BUSINESS FOR THE CITY. I SHOULD NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR. OUT OF MY POCKET BECAUSE I DID NOT GO. AND WHATEVER THAT AMOUNT TURNS OUT TO BE. I JUST DON'T THINK THAT IT'S MY PLACE. IF THAT IS SET ASIDE FOR YOU OR ANYBODY, I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S MY PLACE TO TELL YOU WHERE TO SPEND IT ON PRE-APPROVED THINGS HERE. SO THAT'S I AM ON THE WHAT AM I ON? I GOT ACCEPTED TO THE LEAGUE OF CITIES. FINE. WHAT AM I ON? WHAT DO THEY CALL IT? I KNOW IT'S TAX AND JEEZ, TAX AND FINANCE. YES, I GOT PRE-APPROVED FOR THAT ONE. SO THERE'S ONE IN OCTOBER 9TH, NOVEMBER 13TH AND DECEMBER 3RD TO GO TO THOSE EVENTS. I LIKE TO GO TO THOSE THINGS BECAUSE THOSE ARE IT'S AND IT'S SOMETIMES STAYING OVER EARLIER ON. IT'S BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE HAVING THE MEETING, YOU'RE TALKING THE MEETING, IT'S FINDING OUT GOING A LITTLE BIT EARLY AND EVERYBODY TALKS AND YOU FIND OUT WHAT'S WORKING AND WHAT'S NOT WORKING FOR DIFFERENT PEOPLE. THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE YOU FIND OUT, OH, THIS IS THE PERSON WE NEED TO SEE, TALK TO, OR WE DON'T WANT 
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TO GO WITH THAT PERSON. I FOUND THAT TO BE A LOT MORE BENEFICIAL AND PROBABLY WILL GO TO THE FAST AGAIN. I MIGHT BE ON THE FAST AGAIN. YEAH, BUT IT HAS. WE DIDN'T GET THINGS RIGHT THIS MINUTE. WE DIDN'T. I DIDN'T COME BACK WITH A CHECK. YEAH, SURE. WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE THE CHECK BUT YOU KNOW, DIDN'T GET THE CHECK. BUT LIKE WITH JENNY AND ALL THAT, WE'VE WORKED WITH STAFF AND I'VE GOT WORKED. HOW DO I WANT TO SAY THIS? I DON'T WANT TO SAY TOO MUCH OUT LOUD. I MEAN, IT'S SO HARD TO BE THE SUNSHINE LAW, BUT TO WORK WITH THE STAFF, TO TALK WITH DIFFERENT PEOPLE AND WORKED, HEY, WE NEED TO TALK TO THIS PERSON. WE NEED TO TALK TO THAT PERSON IN THE DC. MY ONLY THIRD THING. AND THEN LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT MAKING ANY CHANGES UNTIL WE EVERYONE DISCUSSES WHAT HAVE YOU. BUT THE THIRD QUESTION IS ON THE SEVEN DAY REPORT AND IT'S A SHELL. AND I'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN BYLAWS COMMITTEES ON THE SHELL AND WILL AND, YOU KNOW, LAWYERY LANGUAGE OF ALL THE FUN STUFF THERE, WHAT HAPPENS IF SOMEONE DOESN'T LIKE THAT? IT'S AN HONOR SYSTEM. SO IT IS AN HONOR. OKAY. THAT'S WHY THERE'S NO THERE'S NO PENALTY, YOU KNOW, FOR NOT PROVIDING THAT. I MEAN, YOU WOULD HOPE YOU WOULD. SURE. BECAUSE YOU'RE PART OF THE TEAM. WELL, OF COURSE THE TEAM WANTS TO KNOW, BUT THERE'S NO THERE'S. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. IF WE WANT I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANTED TO. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS AN OVERSIGHT OR IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE ON THE HONOR SYSTEM. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I'M MORE CLARIFYING ON THAT THREW EVERYTHING AGAINST THE WALL. LET'S SEE WHAT STICKS. WELL, WELL, THOSE THOSE ARE MY THREE STARTING POINTS ON IT. OTHERWISE THE BONES OF IT I AGREE WITH I THINK THERE'S JUST SOME SOME MINOR THINGS THAT I THINK COULD MAKE IT EVEN BETTER. OKAY, VICE MAYOR, PLEASE. I'M GOING TO DIVERT THIS TO THE REST OF THE COUNCIL WHO WILL BE HERE AND HAVING TO KEEP WORKING, AND WE'LL HAVE TO ADHERE TO THIS. 
          BUT I DO WANT TO MENTION WITH THE LEAGUE OF CITIES, I KNOW BEING A PAST PRESIDENT, IF YOU GET ON THE LEGISLATIVE COMMITTEE AND AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL WITH ANY CITY YOU CAN GET ON THE LEGISLATIVE COMMITTEE, THEY WILL PAY FOR YOU TO GO TO TALLAHASSEE. THEY WILL PAY FOR YOU TO DO LEGISLATIVE, LEGISLATIVE, JUST FOR THE NO. MINDY GIBSON WAS ON OUR COMMITTEE. SHE WAS NOT. I DON'T THINK YOU GOT MY ENDORSEMENT. IF YOU WANT TO GO, OKAY, GO FOR THIS AND GET. SO WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO IS BEFORE THE NIGHT BEFORE, IF YOU GOT TO BE THERE AT 10:00 IN THE MORNING, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU GOT TO GO TO THE HOTEL THE NIGHT BEFORE. I MEAN, BUT WE TRAVEL. I MEAN, I'VE CAUGHT PLANES OUT OF ORLANDO AT SEVEN, 8:00 IN THE MORNING, FOR GOD'S SAKES. I KNOW, BUT WHAT I SAID IS, THOUGH SOMETIMES THEY HAVE WHAT THEY WANT TO DO IS BEFORE THE MEETING, HAVE AN UNOFFICIAL MEETING. I WANT TO SAY YOU WANT TO SIT DOWN, BUT YOU GET I MEAN, I'VE LEARNED A LOT. I'VE LEARNED A LOT IN THAT ONE, ALMOST MORE THAN I. I WANT TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS. I MEAN, I'D LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD ON IT. 
          I KNOW MR. SMITH, MAYOR, SORT OF PUTTING ON MY MY, MY MILITARY HAT AND THINKING ABOUT MY OATH AND SORT OF I PUT TOGETHER A VALUE ADDED REPORT. AND IT KIND OF REALLY MADE ME THINK ABOUT SORT OF JUSTIFYING ALL THE TIME THAT WE SPENT SINCE MY TIME OF BEING ELECTED ON THE CITY COUNCIL. AND SO WHAT I WENT THROUGH WAS I REALLY SORT OF WENT THROUGH AND I THOUGHT ABOUT ALL THE POSITIONS THAT I'VE HAD, NOT ONLY BEING APPOINTED FROM THE CITY OF, FROM THE COUNCIL, BUT ALSO THE ONES THAT I'VE BEEN SELECTED BY MY PEERS OF OTHER ELECTED OFFICIALS AND ALL, AND ALSO THE OTHER ONES THAT HAVE BEEN. AND I HAVE A LIST OF THEM, AND I KIND OF WANT TO GO THROUGH THEM. AND I THOUGHT ABOUT IT BECAUSE EVEN AS I LOOK AT OUR AGENDA HERE, OUR AGENDA TALKS ABOUT US BEING YOU. YOU ALL BEEN ON THE AIRPORT BOARD, TALKED ABOUT BEING ON THE TPO, BUT THEN THE ONES I HAVE HERE IS, YOU KNOW, CITY OF MELBOURNE WAS APPOINTED TO THE SPACE COAST TPO ALSO APPOINTED TO THE SPACE COAST LEAGUE OF CITIES BOARD OF DIRECTORS. BUT THEN BY AFTER BEING ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OR THE TPO, I WAS SELECTED BY THE OTHER ELECTED OFFICIALS TO THE AT LARGE POSITION TO THE TPO EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE, ALSO TO THE CENTRAL FLORIDA MPO ALLIANCE. AND I'M POINTING THIS OUT BECAUSE I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FUNDING, BUT BUT I TOOK THIS ROLE SERIOUSLY AND TOOK THIS ROLE TO THE POINT OF. SO THE MONEY OR THE FUNDING IS JUST SORT OF A, A WAY OF FACILITATING, I THINK THE, THE JOB THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT WE'RE DOING, RIGHT. THE SPACE COAST LEAGUE OF CITY ADVOCACY COMMITTEE. I HAVE A LETTER HERE FROM MR. WILLIS, THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS COMMITTEE. I KNOW MR. HANEY. I HAVE THE LETTER THAT'S HERE ALSO HAVE THE THE GOAL CERTIFICATE OF EXCELLENCE. SO DOING THE THE 
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ACTUAL WORK FOR THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES. I KNOW YOU AND I WAS AT ETHICS MEETING. I MEAN, SO I, I POINT THAT OUT BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST THE FACT OF WE'RE GOING TO THESE. AT LEAST FOR ME, IT'S NOT JUST WE'RE GOING. AND THE MONEY'S BEING SPENT, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE THERE, WE'RE DOING WORK AND, AND WE'RE, WE'RE GAINING VALUE. AND TO BRING IT BACK. SO THAT'S THE REASON I TITLED THIS SORT OF AS A VALUE ADDED REPORT TALK WITH THE CITY MANAGER. AND MAYBE IT'S A WAY TO SORT OF HIGHLIGHT THESE PARTICULAR POSITIONS OR THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING. SO THAT WAY IT'S NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, NOT ACCOUNTED FOR. WELL, I LEFT IT OPEN FOR INTERPRETATION, BUT HOLD ON, HOLD ON, MR. RUSSO. I KIND OF LOST. I MEAN, WHAT YOU'RE WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME. I KNOW YOU'RE DOING ALL THIS, BUT WHAT'S THE VALUE TO THE CITY? NO, NO, NO, IT GOT VALUE. NO, NO, IT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING. BUT WHAT DO YOU WHAT DO YOU WANT OUT OF THIS? IN OTHER WORDS, DO YOU ON THE FUNDING DO YOU WANT BECAUSE I, I GUESS I'M NOT QUESTIONING THAT BECAUSE MY PROBLEM IS WE HAD, YOU KNOW, A GROUP COME IN AND ASK FOR 50 GRAND FOR THE KIDS AND WE DON'T HAVE IT. RIGHT. SO WHAT ARE WE I DON'T UNDERSTAND, I MEAN, WE'RE KIND OF KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD AND AND THE MONEY'S NOT THERE. WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO DO HERE? ARE WE SAYING THAT WE WANT TO GIVE ONE COUNCIL MEMBER MORE MONEY THAN ANOTHER COUNCIL MEMBER? NO, NO. WELL, IF YOU LIKE WE ALWAYS SAY LIKE WE ALWAYS DO, IF YOU WANT TO INCREASE THE BUDGET, IF YOU WANT TO INCREASE SOMETHING, TAKE SOMETHING AWAY, FIND THE MONEY, YOU KNOW, FIND THE MONEY IN THE BUDGET. WELL, WELL, AND I'M GOING TO SAY THIS, MR. SMITH, YOU PUT IN FOR THIS JOB, YOU WON THIS JOB. THE THE THE VOTERS ELECTED YOU. AND IT WASN'T FOR THE DAMN MONEY. NO, I GET THAT. AND SO THE REALITY IS, IS I THINK WE'RE WASTING OUR TIME BY SITTING HERE AND, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, WELL, YOU KNOW, $2,000, THE REALITY IT'S NOT IN THE BUDGET. AND, AND THE FACT IS YOU'RE GOING TO ALL THESE THINGS. AND I KNOW A LOT OF IT'S OUT OF YOUR POCKET AND I RESPECT THAT. BUT THEN AGAIN, AGAIN, YOU CHOSE TO RUN FOR THIS AND YOU'RE YOU'RE THE RIGHT GUY FOR THE JOB. SO SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO SUCK IT UP BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I GUESS I'M JUST MAKING THAT POINT BECAUSE I, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT FROM THE MONEY STANDPOINT, WE ALSO GOT TO TALK ABOUT IT FROM THE VALUE BECAUSE, BECAUSE AS I WAS HEARING IT, IT'S LIKE, WELL, WHY ARE WE DOING ALL THIS? YOU'RE RIGHT. AND I ACCEPT THAT RESPONSIBILITY BEING THE RIGHT PERSON FOR THE JOB. AND I THINK ALL OF US UP HERE, I MEAN, BECAUSE WE HAD OUR SPACE COAST LEAGUE OF CITIES PRESIDENT. I MEAN, SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT DISCOUNTING THE EFFORTS THAT EVERYBODY'S PUTTING IN YOU TO MAYOR. I MEAN, SO WELL, I KNOW I GO TO I GO TO A LOT OF STUFF BEHIND THE SCENES AND MEET A LOT OF PEOPLE AND TALK ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. AND I NEVER PUT IMPORT NEVER, BECAUSE IT'S NOT THERE. AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, THAT PART OF THE JOB, THAT'S WHAT I SIGNED UP FOR. YOU KNOW, I SIGNED UP FOR, FOR HARDLY NO PAY TO, TO SERVE AND, YOU KNOW, AND, AND PROTECT AND SERVE THE CITY. AND, AND UNTIL MY TIME IS DONE, THEN I'LL DO THAT. AND IT AIN'T, IT AIN'T FOR THE MONEY. IT DEFINITELY AIN'T FOR THE MONEY. SO AGAIN, I THINK WE'RE KIND OF KICKING THE CAN DOWN HERE DOWN THE ROAD AGAIN. I WISH EVERYBODY COULD BE PROPERLY, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, TAKING CARE OF FINANCIAL WISE. 
          BUT THAT'S NOT REALISTIC. I'M JUST WORRIED. I MEAN I'M LOOKING AT FINANCE THE ONE BECAUSE GOING FORWARD WITH THIS AMENDMENT THREE AND HOW ARE WE GOING TO TALKING TO OTHER PEOPLE, OTHER CITIES, HOW ARE THEY GOING TO BE DOING THIS? AND THAT'S THAT'S A BIG THING. 
          YOU KNOW, THAT'S GOING TO BE A BIG, A BIG. ARE YOU GOING TO KNOW WHAT AMENDMENT THREE DID AT THE FIRST COUNCIL MEETING IN NOVEMBER? THE SECOND COUNCIL? YEAH. I MEAN, DON'T GET ME STARTED ON THE STATE. I MEAN, LOOK WHAT THEY DID. LOOK WHAT THEY DID TO INSURANCE. LOOK WHAT THEY DID. A LOT OF STUFF. DON'T GET ME STARTED WITH THE STATE. THERE YOU GO. OKAY. I THINK WE'RE ALL RIGHT. OKAY. DON'T GET ME. YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, DON'T DON'T GET ME STARTED IN A VERY HARD POSITION, MR. MAYOR. YES, I'M WITH MRS. KENNEDY. THAT I'M GOING TO LET YOU GUYS BATTLE IT OUT AND SEE EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. WELL, THEN. BUT THIS IS THIS IS THE IDEA I BROUGHT TO THE TABLE FOR EVERYBODY TO CONSIDER, FOR EVERYBODY TO BE A TEAM MEMBER AND EVERYBODY TO MOVE FORWARD COLLECTIVELY. WELL, I HATE TO DO THIS TO YOU. THEN WHY DON'T WE PUNT THIS UNTIL THE NEW COUNCIL? I MEAN, IF YOU IF YOU TWO ARE ALLOWING US TO, YOU KNOW, TALK ABOUT THIS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A ELECT COUNCILMAN SITTING OUT THERE THAT DOESN'T HAVE A VOICE. SO, YOU KNOW, THE NEW COUNCIL TAKES EFFECT IN A COUPLE, TWO MONTHS. LET LET US DO IT. DO IT THEN. SO AS WE DO THAT, MAYOR. SO LET ME ASK THIS. SO EMU TWO IS OCTOBER 9TH AND 10TH. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK FOR CONSENSUS BECAUSE I GUESS I KNOW WE'RE IN THIS FISCAL ENVIRONMENT RIGHT NOW FOR APPROVAL TO AT LEAST ATTEND, BECAUSE EMU TWO ONLY HAPPENS VERY INFREQUENTLY TO GET APPROVAL TO ATTEND THE. HOW MUCH HAVE YOU BEEN? I'VE ONLY BEEN TO ONE. I SHOWED TWO ON THE REPORT. NO, I'VE ONLY WENT TO. OKAY, SO I ONLY WENT TO ONE 
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AS WELL. TWO. YEAH. SO THIS IS THE SECOND. THIS IS THE SECOND. ALWAYS HAD TWO ISSUES. I THINK YOU LOOK AT MORE EDUCATION HERE THAN YOU DO OVER. HOW MUCH IS THAT KEVIN? HOW MUCH IS. WHAT MR. SMITH IS REFERENCING? THE CLASS HE WENT TO WAS CLASS ONE. THERE'S ONE CLASS AND A TWO CLASS. $700 TOTAL. IT WAS 269 FOR MILEAGE AND MEALS, 350 FOR THE HOTEL AND 36 FOR PARKING. 
          SO WHERE'S THAT AT ORLANDO, I BELIEVE IT'S ORLANDO. THIS THEY THEY SWITCH IT EVERY CLASS. BUT I BELIEVE IT'S IN ORLANDO THIS THIS MONTH. IT USED TO BE IN GAINESVILLE ALL THE TIME. NO I SWITCHED TO IT. MOVED TO TAMPA. YEAH. IT WAS TAMPA THE FIRST ONE. AND THIS WAS IN ORLANDO IN WEST PALM WHEN I WENT. WELL. AND NOW YOU'VE GOT OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT ARE GOING TO WANT TO DO THE SAME THING. SO I THINK PUTTING IT DOWN THE ROAD IS PROBABLY THE APPROPRIATE THAT'S THIS FISCAL YEAR. SO YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. OKAY, COOL. TO WITHOUT ANY, ANY PRECONDITIONS, WITHOUT ANYTHING, BATTLE IT OUT ON NOVEMBER 24TH, I THINK WE STEPPED DOWN. WHAT DO WE DO BETWEEN NOW AND NOVEMBER 20TH ASKING THE AMOUNT. BECAUSE IF IT'S UNDER $1,000, THAT CAN BE RECONCILED PRETTY DARN EASY. YEAH. SHOULD IT BE, SHOULD IT BE PASSED INTO WHATEVER HIS ACCOUNT IS SO WE CAN GO BACKWARDS? AREN'T WE ALREADY IN THE HOLE? WELL, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WELL, THIS IS GOING WE ARE IN THE HOLE FOR THIS BUDGET YEAR, AND THAT'LL HAVE TO BE CLEANED UP IN THE FOURTH QUARTER BUDGET. AND BUT FOR FROM OCTOBER 1ST ON, YOU YOU HAVE YOUR DOLLAR VALUES. AND SO IF WE REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE IF IT'S TONIGHT OR THE NEW COUNCIL, IT'S ONLY A LITTLE OVER. THAT'S ONLY ABOUT $1,000 EACH. IF YOU WERE TO DIVVY IT UP EVENLY. SO IF WE'RE SPENDING $700, YOU MAY ONLY HAVE 250 LEFT FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR. 
          AND SO YOU KNOW, IT. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WANT STAFF TO DEAL WITH IT FROM OCTOBER 1ST UNTIL COUNCIL VOTES ON IT. YEAH. IF COUNCIL DOES NOTHING, THERE'S EXISTING POLICY THAT ADDRESSES ALL OF THIS. AND SO MR. SMITH WOULD BE PRE AUTHORIZED TO GO TO THAT CLASS OCTOBER 1ST. THERE'S POLICY LANGUAGE THAT SAYS THAT THE DELAY HAS BEEN THIS CONVERSATION OF WE INTEND TO CHANGE THIS POLICY. AND SO WE'VE BEEN HESITANT TO COMMIT PEOPLE TO TRAVEL IN OCTOBER OR NOVEMBER, NOT KNOWING WHAT COUNCIL'S DIRECTION IS, BECAUSE THE SUM THAT YOU'RE GIVEN IS THE SUM TOTAL OF THE TRAVEL AND PER DIEM LINE AND THE TRAINING EDUCATION LINE. THAT CLASS IS TYPICALLY TAKEN OUT OF TRAINING EDUCATION. SO THOSE DOLLARS WILL BE REDUCED FROM THE OVERALL TOTAL, WHICH WILL REDUCE IT ACROSS THE BOARD IF COUNCIL UNLESS WE FIGURE OUT SOME WAY TO SAY, WELL, MR. SMITH'S ALREADY USED HIS. SO EVERYONE ELSE GETS OUT, THERE IS THERE IS A 60 DAY WINDOW WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO WANT TO DO THINGS. THERE'S A LEAGUE OF CITIES MEETING IN OCTOBER AND NOVEMBER. SO THERE ARE OTHER BREAKFAST MEETINGS THAT WILL COME OUT OF THAT TOTAL FOR EVERYONE. AND AND IT MAY IMPACT THE DECISION AT THE END OF NOVEMBER, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY AT YOUR DISCRETION. THERE'S EXISTING POLICY LANGUAGE THAT ALLOWS MEMBERS TO GO TO FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES EVENTS. RIGHT NOW, I SUGGEST WE JUST STICK WITH THE CURRENT POLICY UNTIL THE NEW COUNCIL COMES ON. 
          THAT'S WHAT I RECOMMEND. WELL, I THINK THE ISSUE WELL, I THINK THE ISSUE IS GOING TO BE IS IF IT'S OVERSPENT AND THE NEW COUNCIL DOES IT, HOW THE DIVVY UP WORKS, LIKE WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE FOR US TO VOTE TO SEE IF THIS PASSES AND THEN IT'S ON THE COUNCIL, IT'S ON THE THE AGENDA OF THE COUNCIL TAKES OFFICE. SO THEN THEY'RE EITHER GOING TO REVERT IT BACK OR IT STAYS. WE JUST GO AT THAT TIME BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S GOING TO GO. NOW HOLD ON, HOLD ON, HOLD ON, MR. NEWMAN. WHAT'S THAT? I SAID TO MR. NEWMAN. MR. NEWMAN HAD IT. YOU SAID SO. SO SO WE VOTE ON WE VOTE ON THIS NOW AND THEN WE DIRECT STAFF TO PUT ON THE AGENDA. WHEN THE NEW COUNCIL COMES IN TO WHETHER RETAIN THIS POLICY OR TO REVERT BACK TO THE PREVIOUS. BE MORE WORK FOR STAFF OR CAPABLE OF DOING IT, IF THAT'S WHAT COUNCIL DIRECTS. AND HONESTLY, THEN IT JUST OPENS IT BACK UP. IT JUST IT FIXES THE 60 DAY QUESTION. WELL, THEN MAKE THE MOTION. THEN ON THAT, MAKE A MOTION, MAKE A MOTION CURRENT POLICY. SO. WELL, SO I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THE. CAN YOU THE REPEAL OF COUNCIL POLICY NUMBER 16 AND COUNCIL POLICY NUMBER 36 AND ADOPT NEW COUNCIL POLICY NUMBER 42 AND DIRECT STAFF TO REVISIT COUNCIL'S COUNCIL POLICY 1636 AND 42 ON THE. WHAT DAY IS THAT? NOVEMBER 24TH. ON THE NOVEMBER 24TH REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? AND I WILL SECOND THAT. WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND, BECAUSE IT ONLY AFFECTS ME WHILE I'M STILL UP HERE. CORRECT. OKAY, MAYOR, IF I MAY, IF YOU'RE IN DISCUSSION. SO JUST SO THAT MOTION IS ADOPTED, I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT MR. SMITH STILL COULD GO TO THAT EVENT. CORRECT. COULD STILL USE THE FUNDING FROM THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL BUDGET. CORRECT. IT WILL COME OUT OF THE WHAT WE'RE 
          [02:20:03]
CALLING ADMINISTRATIVE EXPENSE ACCOUNT. SO THERE'S NO THERE'S NO NEW RESTRICTION THAT DOESN'T ALLOW YOU TO GO TO THIS OR THAT. IT JUST MAY HAVE AN IMPACT IN THE OVERALL BUDGET. IF THE NEW COUNCIL GOES IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. SO BUT YOU CAN GO. SO WE HAVE A MOTION. I HAVE A REDUCED AMOUNT. UNTIL NOVEMBER. NO YOU WON'T. YOU WON'T HAVE A REDUCED AMOUNT IF IT GOES IN EFFECT. THAT'S WHEN IT STARTS IN NOVEMBER AS IF THE POLICY IS IF THE MOTION IS ADOPTED EFFECTIVE OCTOBER 1ST, EACH ONE OF YOU OTHER THAN THE MAYOR WILL HAVE $1,000 EXPENSE ACCOUNT, AND YOU WOULD BE YOU WOULD BE PREAUTHORIZED TO GO TO FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES EVENTS. 
          AND I WOULD JUST REMIND YOU THAT THE. THE FIRST PART OF THIS POLICY REFERENCES THE MONTHLY EXPENSE ALLOWANCE, WHICH IS AT YOUR DISCRETION TO SPEND, WHICH IS THE MAJORITY OF THE FUNDING YOU'RE GIVEN TO GO TO THESE VARIOUS THINGS. SO EVEN THOUGH YOU MAY FEEL A SQUEEZE IN THIS MONTHLY, THIS WHAT I'M CALLING ADMINISTRATIVE EXPENSE ACCOUNT, YOU HAVE THESE FUNDS AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, AS PART OF YOUR SALARY TO DO THINGS. SO JUST DON'T, DON'T FOCUS JUST ON THE $1,000. THERE ARE FUNDS THAT YOU'RE GIVEN ON A MONTHLY BASIS TO, TO GO TO ADDITIONAL EVENTS, WHICH IS, WHICH IS NOT ADDRESSED, NOT REDUCED IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM BY ADOPTING THIS POLICY. BUT WE UNDERSTAND. SO WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. RIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED. NAY. WHO. WHOSE NAME. ROLL CALL. OKAY. LET'S DO A ROLL CALL. VOTE YES. MR. RUSSO, COUNCIL MEMBER. SMITH. NAY. COUNCIL MEMBER. LARUSSO. 
          AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. NEWMAN. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. BASSETT. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. HANLEY. 
          NAY. VICE MAYOR. KENNEDY. AYE. MAYOR ALFREY. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. SO WE'RE MOVING ON 
          [21. Appointment of members to the Police Officers' Retirement Trust Fund Board of Trustees.]
TO ITEM NUMBER 21. APPOINTMENT MEMBERS OF THE POLICE OFFICER. RETIREMENT FUND BOARD OF TRUSTEES. MR. MCEWEN. THANK YOU. MAYOR. THE RESIDENT MEMBER, GARY PAFFETT. HIS TERM WILL EXPIRE ON SEPTEMBER 30TH. AND THE FIFTH MEMBER, JANICE HILL. HER TERM WILL EXPIRE ON OCTOBER 31ST. MR. PAFFETT HAS EXPRESSED INTEREST IN BEING REAPPOINTED, AND MISS HILL, AS THE FIFTH MEMBER, IS APPOINTED BY THE BOARD. THE BOARD REAPPOINTED MISS HILL AT ITS AUGUST 12TH MEETING. AND SO YOUR ACTION TONIGHT WOULD BE JUST TO SIMPLY APPROVE THE BOARD'S REAPPOINTMENT, THERE BEING NO ADDITIONAL APPLICATIONS THERE. THERE IS NO OTHER APPLICATION TO CONSIDER. THERE'S A BRIEF ATTENDANCE REPORT LISTED. IT'S NOT AS FORMAL AS YOU SEE FROM OTHER BOARDS. THIS BOARD ONLY MEETS QUARTERLY, SO IT'S VERY LIMITED. AND THE RECOMMENDED ACTION IS TO REAPPOINT GARY PAFFETT AS A RESIDENT MEMBER AND APPROVE THE REAPPOINTMENT OF JANICE HILL AS FIFTH MEMBER TO THE POLICE OFFICERS RETIREMENT TRUST FUND BOARD OF TRUSTEES. SO MOVED. A MOTION. SECOND. SECOND BY MR. NEWMAN. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. 
          [22. Request for waiver of Florida Statutes Sections 112.313(3) and 112.313(7), on behalf of multiple volunteer advisory board members who have a contractual relationship with the City.]
AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. MOVING ON. AND IT'S THE LAST, LAST AGENDA. ITEM 22. THANK YOU. 
          MAYOR, THIS IS THE ANNUAL ITEM WE BRING FORTH TO COUNCIL REGARDING A REQUEST FOR WAIVER OF FLORIDA STATUTES FOR VOLUNTEER BOARD MEMBERS WHO HAVE A CONTRACTUAL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY. I'M HAPPY TO GO OVER THE ENTIRE AGENDA ITEM REPORT, BUT HAVING SEEN THIS IN THE PAST, I'LL JUST REMIND COUNCIL THAT CURRENTLY YOU HAVE TWO MEMBERS WHO HAVE DECLARED A CONFLICTING CONTRACTUAL RELATIONSHIP. MISS DAVIS OF THE MELBOURNE DOWNTOWN CRA ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND MR. ALEXANDER OF THE OLD EAU GALLIE CRA ADVISORY COMMITTEE, A FULL DISCLOSURE OF THEIR CONFLICTS IS IN THE AGENDA PACKAGE. IT'S PRETTY MUCH THE SAME AS YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE, EXCEPT UPDATED NUMBERS FOR THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR. MR. ALEXANDER WAS ABLE TO SUBMIT HIS UPDATED FORM FOR. WE DID NOT GET MISS DAVIS'S, BUT I'M CONFIDENT WE WILL IN THE COMING DAYS. AND I WOULD JUST REMIND YOU THAT IF ANY MEMBERS REQUEST FOR A WAIVER IS DENIED, THEY WOULD NEED TO MAKE A DECISION ON WHETHER THEY RETAIN MEMBERSHIP ON THE ADVISORY BOARD OR SEVER THEIR BUSINESS CONTRACTUAL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY. THE WAIVER THAT YOU WOULD BE APPROVING WOULD BE FOR TRANSACTIONS IN THE UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR THAT RELATE TO THE TRANSACTIONS THAT ARE DESCRIBED IN THE AGENDA PACKAGE. IF THERE WAS SOME REASON THAT THEY WOULD HAVE SOME OTHER TYPE OF CONFLICT, WE WOULD BRING THAT BEFORE YOU ON A SEPARATE ITEM. 
          AND SO RECOMMENDED ACTION IS IN THE ITEM REPORT. HAPPY TO READ IT FOR YOU IF YOU WANT, SINCE IT'S A LITTLE BIT LONGER BUT OTHERWISE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. NO QUESTION. EVERY YEAR. YES SIR. EVERY YEAR. THIS IS AN ANNUAL ANNUAL. SO WE DO IT. WE DO IT EVERY YEAR TO TRY AND COVER WHATEVER TRANSACTIONS THOSE ADVISORY BOARD MEMBERS HAVE WITH THE CITY FOR THE UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR. SO EVERY EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, YOU'LL ACTUALLY SEE IT TWICE A YEAR BECAUSE YOU'LL SEE IT FOR ADOPTION OF THE AFTER THE ADOPTION OF THE BUDGET. AND IF THEY NEED TO BE REAPPOINTED TO THEIR BOARD, IT HAPPENS AT THEIR REAPPOINTMENT TIME AS WELL. THAT'S SORT OF WHAT THE STATUTE CONTEMPLATES, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY. THE STATUTE ALSO CONTEMPLATES A SUPERMAJORITY VOTE FOR APPROVAL. YEP. YEAH. OKAY. SO WE HAVE A REQUESTED ACTION. A DO WE HAVE A MOTION THERE? GOOD. SIR. MOTION FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE EXEMPTION REQUEST. AND PURSUANT TO SECTION 112.31312 FLORIDA STATUTES WAIVER OF THE PROVISIONS OF SECTIONS ONE ONE, 2.3133 AND 112.3137 FLORIDA STATUTES. ON BEHALF OF JOANNE 
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DAVIS AS A MEMBER OF THE MELBOURNE DOWNTOWN COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY ADVISORY COMMITTEE REGARDING HER RELATIONSHIP WITH IAM SOLUTIONS, INC. AND ITS EXISTING SCOPE OF BUSINESS WITH THE CITY, INCLUDING CITY COUNCIL MEETING LIVE STREAMING PRODUCTION SERVICES, ASSOCIATED TECHNICAL SUPPORT, AND VARIOUS REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE SERVICES FOR FISCAL YEAR 2026. SECOND MOTION. I SECOND THAT ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE AYE. MOTION PASSES. APPROVAL OF EXEMPTION REQUEST. AND PURSUANT TO SECTION 112.31312 FLORIDA STATUTES WAIVER OF THE PROVISIONS OF SECTIONS ONE ONE, 2.3133 AND 112.3137 FLORIDA STATUTES. ON BEHALF OF GEORGE ALEXANDER AS A MEMBER OF THE OLD EAU GALLIE RIVERFRONT COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY ADVISORY COMMITTEE REGARDING HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH EAU GALLIE HARDWARE AND ITS EXISTING SCOPE OF BUSINESS WITH THE CITY FOR FISCAL YEAR 2026. SECOND. MOTION. SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY 
          [D. PETITIONS, REMONSTRANCES, AND COMMUNICATIONS]
OPPOSED? I VOTE AYE, AND THAT MOTION PASSES. OKAY. WE ARE IN THE PETITIONS. VERMONTERS COMMUNICATIONS. WE'LL START WITH YOU, MR. NEWMAN. ALL RIGHT. AND MINE ARE JUST A COUPLE OF. 
          I DIDN'T GET TO TALK TO JENNY THIS WEEK. SO JUST BASICALLY THREE THINGS. IF IF YOU GET BACK WITH ME ON IT. ONE, I WAS APPROACHED BY THE BREVARD FIRE DEPARTMENT EMS FOLKS. I GUESS THERE'S SOME PERMIT THAT THEY MIGHT BE BEING HELD UP ON WITH A PROPERTY. I WANT TO SAY IT'S LIKE SOUTH BABCOCK OR SOUTH DAIRY, SOMETHING TO THAT DEGREE. JUST I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY CONCERNS OR INFORMATION ON. I BELIEVE THEY CAME TO COUNCIL MEETING A COUPLE MEETINGS AGO. 
          STAFF WAS WORKING WITH THEM. THEIR MAIN COMPLAINT WAS THEY DIDN'T WANT TO SUBMIT A SITE PLAN AS REQUIRED BY CODE. OKAY. AND SO THEY HAVE TOLD US THEY ARE WORKING ON THAT SITE PLAN. 
          OKAY. AND AND SO I KNOW STAFF IS WORKING WITH THEM. SO THEN I'LL GET BACK WITH THEM BECAUSE I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT SOMETHING WAS ON OUR END. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE WAITING ON THEM. I WILL VERIFY WITH STAFF THAT THERE ISN'T SOMETHING ON OUR END RIGHT NOW. BUT AT THE TIME THAT HE CAME TO THE MEETING, THAT WAS THE MAJOR HOLDUP. AND HIS THOUGHT WAS THE COUNTY DOESN'T REQUIRE THEIR SITE PLANS OR THEIR THEIR DEVELOPMENT PLANS WHEN THEY DO A ZONING CHANGE AND THAT TYPE OF THING. AS VICE MAYOR KENNEDY HAS FOUND OUT IN HER ENDEAVOR WITH THE TURTLE MOUND PROJECT. BUT WE DO REQUIRE THAT OUR CODE REQUIRES THAT. SO I THINK THEY WERE A LITTLE THROWN OFF THAT WE HAD THIS OTHER REQUIREMENT. BUT I WILL MAKE SURE THAT IF THE BALL THE BALL IS IN OUR COURT, I WILL MAKE SURE WE REACH OUT TO THEM AND I WILL LET YOU KNOW ALL THE COUNCIL KNOW. OKAY. ADDITIONALLY, AT THE MELBOURNE ORLANDO AIRPORT BOARD MEETING, THERE WAS A DISCUSSION AMONG THE STAFF AND THE BOARD MEMBERS ABOUT THE CELL PHONE PARKING LOT. WITHIN THAT, THERE'S A GAS STATION CONVENIENCE STORE PIECE THAT THEY SAID WAS STILL GOING THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS OR THINGS OF THAT NATURE. NOT SURE IF THERE'S A HOLD UP OR ANYTHING, BUT JUST WANTED TO FLAG IT FOR YOU THAT THAT THE BOARD WAS JUST WONDERING ABOUT THE STATUS OF THAT AND WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE MOVING FORWARD IN THAT DIRECTION, BUT APPARENTLY THAT'S IN SOME SORT OF PERMITTING PIECE. OKAY, I'LL CHECK ON THE STATUS AND REPORT BACK. AND THEN THE LAST THING IS I'M TRYING TO RECALL AND IT'S MORE SO LATE. I THOUGHT ABOUT THIS ON THE FLY OF WHERE WE WERE AT WITH PARKING DOWNTOWN. I KNOW THAT WE HAD APPROVED SOME MEASURES AND WE'RE STILL LOOKING INTO STUFF. 
          IS THERE ARE WE WE ACTUALLY HAVE A AN INTERNAL STAFF MEETING COMING UP TO DISCUSS THAT. OKAY. AND I WISH CINDY WAS STILL HERE. I DON'T REMEMBER THE DATE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. WE MET WITH THAT. WE DISCUSSED THAT. AND WHAT I FOUND OUT THERE'S TWO COMMENTS ON. YOU MEAN THE PARKING GARAGE? NO NO NO NO NO NO NO STREET PARKING, THREE HOUR PARKING VERSUS I CAN FIND THAT. NO, THE OTHER ONE. I'D LOVE TO HEAR ABOUT THAT TOO. WAITING ON THEM TO COMMENT THAT I'M TRYING TO GET THAT. YEAH. SOMEBODY ASKING ABOUT THAT. THAT'S NOT OUR STAFF. WE'RE WAITING ON THEM AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET THAT COOL COOL, COOL. KADAM HAS WELL, REGARDING THE PARKING GARAGE, I THINK WE GOT SOMETHING FROM THEM LATE TODAY. SO IT IS GONE. 
          BUT IN REGARDS TO THE PARKING DOWNTOWN PARKING, WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR THAT ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINION. I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING FROM THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, BUT WE'RE PROCEEDING. WE'RE PROCEEDING AS THOUGH WE HAVE TO DO IT OURSELVES. OKAY. AND SO I KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN INTERNAL MEETINGS ABOUT NECESSARY CODE CHANGES TO OUR CODE TO ADDRESS PARKING MANAGEMENT AND AND THAT. AND THEN I KNOW STAFF'S BEEN WORKING ON THE OPERATIONAL ITEMS, YOU KNOW, COST OF VEHICLES, YOU KNOW, HOW THE, THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF HOW TO ADMINISTER THAT PROGRAM. AND YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH THIS ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE IS, IS IT ONE OF THOSE NO ANSWERS IS AN ANSWER. DO WE ALWAYS GET SOMETHING BACK EVEN IF THEY DON'T WANT I DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE THEY'VE CHANGED THEIR PROCEDURES AND, AND MOST OF THE STAFF THAT I'VE EVER WORKED WITH PREVIOUSLY ARE, ARE NO LONGER THERE. OKAY. AND SO I DON'T REALLY HAVE A GREAT ANSWER TO GIVE YOU ON THAT. BUT GIVEN THE LENGTH OF TIME THAT IT'S TAKEN WITH ZERO RESPONSE, IT'S IT'S ENTIRELY LIKELY THAT ZERO RESPONSE IS A RESPONSE. 
          GOT IT. THANK YOU. I WAS CHECKING I DON'T KNOW WHEN OUR INTERNAL MEETING IS, BUT I KNOW 
          [02:30:01]
THERE WAS JUST AN EMAIL ABOUT HAVING THAT MEETING AND PROCEEDING. OKAY. THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. WITH THAT? I DON'T HAVE A LOT. I WANTED TO MENTION THAT I GOT TO GO TO THE I FORGET WHAT DATE IT WAS. I DON'T HAVE THAT WRITTEN DOWN ANYWHERE BUT HONOR FLIGHT. IT WAS A REALLY NICE CELEBRATION. HOT PINK PERFORMED, EVERYBODY WAS HAPPY. A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE THERE A CELEBRATION FOR THESE MILITARY VETS COMING BACK FROM DC? AND IT WAS VERY MOVING TO SEE. AND THERE WAS ACTUALLY TWO WORLD WAR TWO VETS THERE. WOW. WHICH WAS INCREDIBLE. THAT THE HISTORY THEY'VE SEEN LIKE, OH MY GOSH, I COULDN'T IMAGINE. SO THAT WAS REALLY, REALLY NICE TO SEE. AND A FEW DAYS AGO, I GOT TO GO TO THE EASTERN FLORIDA STATE COLLEGE. THEY WERE HAVING A PRESENTATION FROM THE GOVERNOR TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY WERE ABLE TO PRIORITIZE WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT EDUCATION IN FLORIDA. AND EASTERN FLORIDA STATE WAS TAKING IT VERY IT WAS A BIG THING FOR THEM. SO HE WAS JUST UPDATING EVERYBODY ON WHAT HE DID TO MAKE SURE THIS HAPPENED AND HOW IT'S GOING TO AFFECT EVERYBODY AT SCHOOLS. SO THAT WAS NICE TO GO TO. THANK YOU. I WENT TO I WENT TO THE CHAMBER THING, AND THERE WAS ONE THING THAT REALLY STUCK OUT ON ME. WE'RE GOING EVERYBODY'S USED TO DURING THE PANDEMIC, WE WERE JUST EVERYBODY WAS COMING TO FLORIDA. WELL, THAT HAS STOPPED. WE'RE ONLY GETTING 551 PEOPLE. BUT ONLY 69 OF THEM ARE COMING FROM ANOTHER STATE. THE REST, THE 492 PEOPLE, ARE COMING FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY. SO THAT'S INTERESTING. I THOUGHT THAT WAS YOU KNOW, THAT'S LIKE ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WENT, BOOP, BOOP. I THOUGHT THAT WAS VERY INTERESTING THAT HOW, YOU KNOW, WE KEEP SAYING EVERYBODY FROM THE NORTH IS COMING, EVERYBODY FROM THE NORTH IS COMING. THERE IS STILL SAYING THAT OUR YOUNGER GENERATION IN THE 20S ARE LEAVING THE STATE IN DROVES. THEY'RE LEAVING IN DROVES. WE'RE NOT HAVING THE 20 YEAR OLDS STAYING IN THE STATE. NEXT THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS UNITEDHEALTHCARE. I SPOKE TO OUR HR DIRECTOR. FOR ALL OF YOU THAT WORK FOR THE CITY, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE GETTING A LETTER WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK FROM UNITEDHEALTHCARE ABOUT THE SITUATION THAT WE'RE IN. SO JUST HOLD STILL AND LET'S SEE IF THEY COME COME THROUGH. I WAS AT THE MELBOURNE MUNICIPAL BAND AND THEY ARE VERY MUCH AGAINST AMENDMENT THREE. AND IT WAS VERY INTERESTING. ONE GENTLEMAN CAME UP TO ME AND SAID, NO, WE HAD SECRET MONEY. 
          WE HAD $10 MILLION JUST SITTING IN THERE. AND I SAID, I ASKED HIM. I SAID, WELL, COULD YOU TELL ME WHERE IT WAS? I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT IS, BUT YOU GOT THAT. SO I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THOSE MOMENTS OF I JUST NEED TO WALK AWAY FROM THAT POINT IN TIME. SO A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK THAT WE HAVE SECRET MONEY, THAT WE ARE JUST ROLLING IN THE MONEY HERE. AND THEN WHEN YOU TRY TO ASK THEM WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHERE, WHERE THE MONEY IS OR WHAT WE DO, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T THEY DON'T WANT THAT CONVERSATION. NEXT IS DOCTOR BANEY. I DON'T KNOW IF MANY OF YOU KNOW DOCTOR BANEY HERE. HE WAS IN INSTITUTION OF A MEDICAL DOCTOR. HE PASSED AWAY THIS PAST WEEK. HE WAS VERY PHILANTHROPIC. PHILANTHROPIC WITH THIS AREA. 
          HE'S GOING TO BE GREATLY MISSED. IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT DOCTOR BANEY, HE HE LOVED THE MUSIC AND A LOT OF THE ARTS. HE DONATED TO THE ARTS AND KEPT IT GOING. BUT I DO WANT TO KNOW, DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHERE WE HAVE THAT EXTRA TEN 000 $10 MILLION THAT WE COULD USE IN YOUR TRAVEL FUND? OH, YEAH. YEAH, $10 MILLION IN THEIR TRAVEL FUND. BUT BUT IT WAS VERY INTERESTING. AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS ARE HAVING THE SAME AS I AM. YEAH. IS THE PEOPLE THAT YOU THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE AGAINST WOULD WOULD VOTE FOR AMENDMENT THREE ARE THE ONES AGAINST IT AND THE ONES YOU THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE AGAINST IT ARE FOR IT. A LOT OF THEM, WHEN YOU SIT THERE AND THEY'RE GOING, WELL, IT'S GOING TO LOWER MY TAXES. I DON'T HAVE TO PAY TAXES. THEY'LL THEY THINK THAT THEY'RE ABSOLUTELY. AND THEY HAVE, LIKE I SAID TO HIM, I GO, DO YOU LIKE YOUR ROADS? AND THEY KIND OF LOOK AT ME LIKE I GOT THREE HEADS ON MY SHOULDER. AND I SAID, HOW DO YOU THINK WE PAY FOR THOSE THINGS? AGAIN, WE HAVE THAT MAGIC FUND. AND THEN ONCE YOU START EXPLAINING TO THEM, SOME OF THEM WILL HEAR AND SOME OF THEM DO NOT. IT DOESN'T FIT THEIR NARRATIVE. SO I MEAN, WE'RE GOING IN THERE, LIKE I SAID, THE MELBOURNE MUNICIPAL BAND IS REALLY PUTTING STUFF ON THEIR WEBSITE ABOUT IT. I KNOW WE HAVE THE REALTORS ARE DOING 18 MILLION, I THINK. IS IT 18 MILLION THAT THEY'RE PUTTING IN 
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SUPPORT OF IT, WHICH IS. WOW. BUT I KNOW IT'S JUST MIND BLOWING THAT THEY DON'T SEE THE BIG PICTURE HERE. SO BUT THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO SAY. I LOOK GOOD. MR. SMITH, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? YES, MAYOR. I WENT TO AN EVENT ROOFTOP HOTEL MELBOURNE ON FRIDAY. IT WAS REALLY AWESOME. 
          THERE'S ANOTHER EVENT FOR HOTEL MELBOURNE TOMORROW. KIND OF INTERESTING. SO HOTEL MELBOURNE'S GOT A LOT GOING ON AND HAD A GOOD CONVERSATION WITH PAUL, THE MANAGER, BECAUSE HE'S ALSO ON THE MELBOURNE MAIN STREET, MELBOURNE MAIN STREET. I KNOW THERE'S SOME CHANGES HAPPENING THERE THAT YOU MOST OF YOU ALL ARE AWARE OF, SO I GUESS WE'LL HEAR ABOUT THAT AT SOME POINT. A QUESTION ABOUT HOGUE AVENUE. ANYTHING GOING ON AT HOGUE AVENUE? I GOT A VIDEO FROM ONE OF THE RESIDENTS. I WAS FLOODED OUT PRETTY BAD. I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON WITH HOGUE. IS THERE BEEN ANY UPDATES? HOGUE AVENUE IS UNDER DESIGN RIGHT NOW. COUNCIL APPROVED THAT THAT TASK ORDER. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE WE FALL IN THAT. YEAH. I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT WE DID GET A CALL FROM MARY NANCE FROM HOGUE AVENUE EARLIER THIS WEEK, AND STREETS AND STORMWATER DID GO OUT AND REGRADE THE ROAD AND MAINTAINED IT BECAUSE SHE DID MENTION THE DRAINAGE OUT THERE. SO THAT'S BEEN TAKEN CARE OF. OKAY. THANK YOU. BECAUSE THAT WAS SOME OF THE IT WAS A FEW PEOPLE THAT SENT ME STUFF. AND SO IT WAS AFTER THAT VERY LARGE RAINSTORM. SO YES, WE ALREADY TOOK CARE OF IT. OKAY. SO WE'RE GREAT. ALL RIGHT. SO I CAN I CAN RESPOND FAVORABLY TO THAT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. AND AS YOU SAW, THERE WAS QUITE A FEW PEOPLE HERE TONIGHT THAT HAD SOME CONCERNED CITIZEN REMARKS. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT NATIONAL NIGHT OUT. I KNOW, MAYOR, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. THAT'S GOING TO BE THE TWO EVENTS HAPPENING AT THE SAME TIME. AND BOOKER T WASHINGTON AND ALSO DOWN IN SOUTH MELBOURNE. I'VE BEEN INVITED BY FAITH IN FLORIDA TO DO A PRESENTATION THIS SATURDAY AT METROPOLITAN CHURCH WITH SOME OF THEIR FOLKS. I'LL BE THERE. THERE'S TWO VOTER REGISTRATION EVENTS HAPPENING FROM 10 TO 12 ON SATURDAY. THEN THERE'S ANOTHER ONE DOWN IN PALM BAY HAPPENING. SO I'LL BE AT BOTH OF THOSE LOCATIONS THIS SATURDAY. AND I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE. I'M EXCITED ABOUT THAT PURPLE HEART CITY PRESENTATION. I DO WANT TO KIND OF SEE WHAT THE FINAL SIGNS ARE GOING TO LOOK LIKE. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S BEEN FINALIZED OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT THEY'RE PROBABLY LIKE PALMS, AREN'T THEY? I HOPE NOT, HOPEFULLY THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. THE SIGNS THAT GO IN THE ROADWAY HAVE TO BE VERY STANDARD AND WE HAVE TO MEET. 
          WE HAVE TO MEET. IT'S MUTCD. DON'T ASK ME. I KNOW THE DIFFERENT CITIES HAVE DIFFERENT DESIGNS, SO I'M HOPING. YEAH, BUT SLIGHTLY. WE HAVE A DESIGN THAT WE WILL PROBABLY PUT OUTSIDE OF CITY HALL AND WE'VE ALREADY WORKED IT. IT WAS CLOSE TO WHAT YOU AND I HAD ALREADY TALKED ABOUT. OKAY. I JUST, I JUST WANT TO KIND OF SEE IT BECAUSE I AND HERE'S THE REASON WHY, MAYOR, BECAUSE WITH THE THE COMMANDER, VAN VAN BUREN, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ADVOCATING. SO THAT BECAUSE IF YOU PUT A SIGN, SAY, PURPLE HEART CITY. BUT IT'S ONE THING TO SAY THAT I WANT TO BE ABLE TO FIND OUT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT. AND A LOT OF THOSE CITIES ARE NOT. YEAH. SCAN HERE WITH THE LITTLE SCAN. YEAH. THEY'RE JUST PUTTING UP SIGNS. 
          BUT YOU ARE JUST PUTTING UP SIGNS SO YOU'RE NOT. THAT'S GOOD. I LIKE TO HAVE THE CALL TO ACTION SO THAT PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY GET THE HELP OR FIND OUT HOW TO SUPPORT. SO, SO HOPEFULLY WE'RE DOING SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE WITH THE CALL TO ACTION. SO SO WE'LL SEE. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. CAN I FOLLOW UP ABOUT THE SIGN? I THINK THE SIGN IS ALREADY PRODUCED AND IT IS ALMOST IDENTICAL TO WHAT YOU AND I HAD IN THE EMAILS BACK AND FORTH. OKAY. SO I MEAN, WE, I WILL GIVE YOU, I WILL RESEND YOU WHAT YOU DID, OKAY. AND WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE. AND IF YOU WANT CHANGES, I'M WE'LL SEE HOW MUCH THAT COSTS. 
          LET'S GET SOME STICKERS WITH MARCUS WITH FINGER POINTING. CAN HEAR MY HANDS UP. HERE WITH YOUR FINGER. MR. LEWIS, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? YEAH, I GOT ONE THING. IF YOU COULD THROW THAT UP ON THE SCREEN, PLEASE, ON OCTOBER. WELL, WE AS A COUNCIL PASSED. NO. OH MY GOD. WE AS A COUNCIL PASSED AN ADA AND INCLUSIVE PLAYGROUND DOWN. AND IT'S GOING IN AT SOUTHWEST PARK ON OCTOBER 10TH. AND IT'S A COMMUNITY BUILD. IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE DOG PARK KIND OF THING. 
          SO VOLUNTEERS AND WE'VE WE'VE PUT THAT BECAUSE OF MY WIFE'S BACKGROUND, WE PUT THAT OUT INTO THE, INTO HER COMMUNITY OF THE SPECIAL ED FOLKS. AND SO WE'RE HOPING TO GET A LOT OF VOLUNTEERS DOWN THERE ON, ON OCTOBER 10TH. SO I'LL BE THERE. MY WIFE WILL BE THERE. 
          UNFORTUNATELY, MY KIDS WILL BE ON A VACATION. BUT HOWEVER. SO I HOPE THAT YOU ALL CAN COME AND LEND A HAND FOR AN HOUR OR HALF HOUR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I BELIEVE IT'S IN DISTRICT FOUR. IF I'M NOT OKAY. BUT THAT SOUTHWEST PARK OFF OF BABCOCK AND FLORIDA AVE, THAT'S WHAT WE DID. DOG PARK. YEAH. YEAH, RIGHT. CAN WE GET THAT IN AN EMAIL? THAT'S RIGHT. CAN WE GET THAT IN AN EMAIL? I JUST GOT THE FLIER AT 534 TONIGHT. NIKKI EMAILED IT TO ME. SO THAT WILL BE GOING OUT IN THE MORNING. OKAY. AND MAYOR, THAT'S ALL I GOT. I THINK 
          [02:40:01]
THAT'S ALL YOU GOT TO WRITE, VICE MAYOR. YEAH, I GOT 1 OR 2 THINGS. NUMBER ONE, THANK YOU, MAYOR, FOR GOING TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING THE COUNTY PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING FOR THE TURTLE MOUND PROPERTY. I APPRECIATE THAT AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THE PLANNING AND ZONING VOTED TO NOT SUPPORT TO RECOMMEND THE NOT PASSING OF THE. RIGHT. WELL, YEAH. AND I WAS GOING TO BRING THAT UP. BUT SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP, BECAUSE I WANT TO HAVE SOME COMMUNICATION WITH YOU, I'M NOT VERY HAPPY WITH SOMETHING JUST HAPPENED. THE THE PLANNING AND ZONING VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO DENY ON THEIR END SOMETHING THAT THE ATTORNEY GOT UP AND SAID TO THE P AND D WAS, WE CAN DO A BUNCH OF THINGS. WE CAN PUT SEPTIC, WE CAN PUT THIS. WE COULD GET IT FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE BESIDES MELBOURNE. IT WAS ODD. WELL, WHAT BOTHERS ME IS THAT WAS SAID TO BE AS FACTUAL, LIKE WE CAN DO 14 SEPTIC TANKS, RIGHT? THEY YOU KNOW, I GOT UP AND SPOKE. THEY DENIED IT UNANIMOUSLY. SHE SENT AN EMAIL THE FOLLOWING DAY THAT MAYBE Y'ALL WANT TO GET YOUR HANDS ON THAT. ASKED TO MEET WITH OUR STAFF, I FEEL TO OVERRIDE OUR DECISION SAID AND TALK ABOUT IF THEY CAN DO SEPTIC. SO TO ME, I FEEL IN MY OPINION, IT WAS PRESENTED TO THE PMG AS FACTUAL THAT THEY COULD DO OTHER THINGS WHEN THEY HAD NOT EVEN SPOKEN TO OUR STAFF. AND THAT EMAIL WAS BASICALLY SAYING, I KNOW WHAT THE THE MAYOR AND THE VICE MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL SAID, HOWEVER, I WANT TO MEET WITH YOUR STAFF BECAUSE I THINK WE CAN DO SOMETHING ELSE THAT SHE'S ALREADY SAID THAT WAS FACTUAL. I DON'T LIKE. OH, YES, YES. AND I AND, AND I, I THINK BASICALLY, TO ME, IT FELT LIKE A BACK DOOR. THERE'S A POINT WHERE YOU SAY, YOU KNOW, THE PROJECT WON'T WORK. I THINK WHAT WAS MOST POWERFUL IS THE GENTLEMAN THAT GOT UP AND SPOKE AND SAID, I OWN THIS PROPERTY. I SOLD IT TO THEM, AND THEY WERE MADE WELL AWARE THAT YOU CAN'T DO THAT, BUT THEY'RE DOING IT ANYWAY. SO I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW. SO IF YOU'RE THE ONE THAT GOES BACK TO ME, YOU KNOW, IT IT MAYBE IT'S GOOD IF I DON'T GO BACK BECAUSE I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, YOU'RE GOING TO BACK DOOR AND SAY AND, AND, AND PRESENT SOMETHING AS FACTUAL THAT WE CAN DO THIS. LIKE YOU SPOKE TO OUR STAFF AND YOU DIDN'T DO THAT. SO THAT THAT WAS OUR CONVERSATION. I'LL LET YOU TAKE IT BACK OVER. SO, JENNY, CAN I HAVE SOMETHING IN WRITING FOR THE COUNTY COMMISSION THAT I CAN MAYBE SEND TO THEM? YES. BEFORE THE MEETING. WHEN? WHEN IS THE MEETING? OCTOBER 1ST. 
          OKAY. YES, DEFINITELY. OKAY. AND WE CAN TALK OFFLINE ABOUT THAT MEETING, BUT I AM INTENDING TO GO. AND IF I CAN JUST ADD ON THAT NOTE, I MEAN, THE ATTORNEY DID REACH OUT TO US. I MEAN, IT'S VERY INTERESTING THAT IT'S SORT OF AN AFTER THE FACT REACH OUT TO US ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT SEWER CAPACITY, ASKING IF THEY CAN PUT SEPTIC ON THE SITE. AND I DID. I DID RESPOND WITH JUST BASIC INFORMATION THAT SEWERS AT CAPACITY. IT'S THE SAME INFORMATION THAT I'VE PROVIDED TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT HAVE ASKED FOR THAT. AND SO WE CAN PROVIDE A COPY OF THAT EMAIL. SO YOU CAN ALSO SEE WHAT WHAT HER QUESTIONING WAS THAT THE MAYOR WAS SPEAKING ABOUT. OKAY. THAT'S PERFECT. BUT I CAN GET OTHER STUFF IN WRITING FOR YOU TOO, AFTER WE SPEAK. OKAY. YEP. THAT SOUNDS GOOD. AND THE ONLY OTHER THING I HAVE. AND SORRY, BUT ARE WE CLOSER TO THE COMPING CLASS? I COULD PUT JOAN ON THE SPOT HERE, BUT I DO KNOW THAT WE ARE IN THE COMPENSATION PORTION RIGHT NOW, AND WE KNOW THAT YOUR GOAL IS TO HAVE THAT DONE BEFORE YOU WALK OUT THE DOOR. HIS GOAL OF HIS MONEY TO A GALLEY. I CAN GIVE YOU THE FACTS, THAT'S ALL. YEAH. I CAN GIVE YOU AN UPDATE. WE HAVE RECEIVED THE THE COMPRESSION STUDY. WE ALSO COMPILED ALL THE DATA THAT THE CONSULTANT REQUESTED IN TERMS OF THE EMPLOYEE DATA HIRE DATE, POSITION, DATE, CURRENT SALARY, ETC. THE CONSULTANT IS NOW WORKING ON THE COMPENSATION EVALUATION. HE'S LOOKING AT THREE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES COMPRESSION, COMPRESSION, WHETHER AN EMPLOYEE IS AT THE BASE OF THE NEW PROPOSED PAY GRADE FOR THAT POSITION, AND WHERE THAT POSITION LIES WITHIN THE 50TH PERCENTILE OF THE EXTERNAL MARKET FOR PUBLIC SECTOR. SO ONCE WE GET THAT INFORMATION BACK, THAT'LL BE REVIEWED. CITY CAN DECIDE TO IMPLEMENT PIECES OF IT, ALL OF IT. AND THEN WE'LL GO FROM 
          [02:45:05]
THERE. BUT WE DO EXPECT TO HAVE THAT BACK IN A MEETING WITH DOCTOR CAMPBELL FROM PAY POINT HR WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS. OKAY. SO IS THERE A TIME FRAME THAT WE'RE YOU SAID NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS. SO THAT'S THE END OF OCTOBER, CORRECT. SO THIS MIGHT NOT HAPPEN UNTIL JANUARY. I JUST WANT TO BE UNLESS THAT'S ALL. UNLESS THERE'S A REQUEST TO ASK DOCTOR CAMPBELL TO EXPEDITE SO WE CAN TALK TO DOCTOR CAMPBELL ABOUT THAT. IT IS A COUPLE WEEKS FOR US TO GET IT. WE WILL DO A VERY AS FAST AS POSSIBLE TURNAROUND AND WE WILL UPDATE COUNCIL ONCE WE HAVE IT. AND WE HAVE A BETTER ESTIMATE ON HOW MUCH MORE WORK HAS TO BE DONE. 
          BECAUSE JUST TO PUT IT INTO PERSPECTIVE, WHEN DID THIS START? PROBABLY JULY. JULY OF 2025. OKAY. OKAY. ARE YOU DONE, MA'AM? OKAY. REAL QUICK. WELL, THE FIRST THING WE DISCUSSED, COUNTY NUMBER TWO. I WANT TO GIVE PATSY DOWN REAL QUICK. I'M PASS THESE DOWN REAL QUICK. 
          HERE'S MY COPY REAL QUICK. I WANT TO CALL UP JONATHAN COHEN. WOULD YOU COME UP REAL QUICK? I JUST WANT TO KIND OF HAVE A QUICK DISCUSSION ON COUNCIL. IT'S IT'S A REQUEST. AND AGAIN, THIS IS THIS IS KIND OF A POLITICAL REQUEST. AND THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO BRING IT BEFORE COUNCIL, BEFORE I SIGN IT. AND IF YOU WANT TO KIND OF SPEAK ABOUT. YEAH, OF COURSE. SO YOU ARE AWARE ABOUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE. THAT IS THE SOCCER TEAM FOR BREVARD, AND WE CLOSED ON THE PROPERTY ON SEPTEMBER 2ND AFTER FIVE YEARS. IT TOOK FIVE YEARS TO GET THE RELEASE. ALL THAT. ONE OF THE TEAM MEMBERS, IT'S OUR CFO. HE'S RIGHT NOW IN THE UK. HE WAS OUR CFO FOR THIS ORLANDO CITY MLS TEAM, AND HE'S APPLYING FOR A WORK VISA. SO HE'S ACTUALLY ASKING IF WE CAN GET SOME LETTERS OF RECOMMENDATION FROM PROBABLY THE CITY AIRPORT, ALL THAT THAT WILL JUST SUPPORT THEIR PORTFOLIO AND TRY TO GET THAT WORK VISA THAT HE'S ASKING FOR. WELL, AND THE THING IS, IT'S ACTUALLY THERE IS A, I GUESS, $100,000 H-1B PAYMENT FOR VISA. YEAH, YEAH. AND THIS WOULD BE A REQUEST. NOW WE'RE JUST ASKING IF YEAH, WE THE, OUR LAWYER DOESN'T GUARANTEE WE'LL GET IT. IT'S JUST THEY'RE GOING TO ASK THERE'S NOTHING WRONG JUST FOR ASKING. PROBABLY THEY'LL DENY IT EITHER. EVEN THOUGH WE'LL STILL PROCEED WITH GETTING HIS WORK VISA SO HE CAN MOVE FROM THE UK. SO ARE YOU ALL AWARE IS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE OUR HEAD COACH, WHICH IS ADRIAN HEATH? HE WAS THE HEAD COACH FOR MLS ON THE ORLANDO CITY. HE JUST MOVED FROM MINNESOTA AND PROBABLY HOPEFULLY NEXT YEAR WILL START RECRUITING. WE ALREADY HAVE CHRIS GALLAGHER WHO'S GOING TO BE OUR CEO. HE WAS ALSO ON ORLANDO CITY TEAM. HE ACTUALLY HE LIVES HERE. HE'S A U.S. CITIZEN. AND WE'RE TRYING TO BRING FROM UK BEN BEN BROWN, WHO'S GOING TO BE OUR CFO. YOU KNOW, AND WE'RE. THIS LETTER KIND OF COMES INTO PLAY IS ALL THIS IS IS IS SAYING THAT WE WE'RE WE'RE SUPPORTING THAT THEY CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, EXEMPTING THE $100,000 FEE BECAUSE, I MEAN, THEY'RE PUTTING SO MUCH MONEY INTO THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE TEAM PAYING A GOVERNMENTAL FEE, 100, $100,000 FOR A VISA, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, NOT, NOT, DON'T GET IT, BUT I JUST WANT TO BRING IT BY COUNCIL. I KNOW THIS IS KIND OF AN ODD, YOU KNOW, REQUEST AND IT'S NOT REALLY A COUNCIL DECISION. BUT THE FACT IS, SPEAKING TO, YOU KNOW, MR. CONNELLY, IT'S MORE OF A POLITICAL DECISION. I KIND OF WANT YOU GUYS TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE WHAT WE'RE DOING OUT HERE, AND SEE WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE. AND IF YOU HAVE ANY ANY OBJECTION, JUST AGAIN, SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE YOU KNOW, WE DO SUPPORT THE, THE, THIS PROGRAM, WE SUPPORT THE, THE BILL, THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY'RE DOING HERE. SO DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS? DO THEY NORMALLY ASK THAT AMOUNT FROM EVERYBODY FOR JONATHAN, I, I, FOR EXAMPLE, I REALLY DON'T DIDN'T KNEW THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR $100,000 FOR A WORK VISA. THIS PROBABLY IS JUST NEW ADMINISTRATION PROCEDURES AND ALL THAT. THIS NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE. SO FOR US, IT'S A NEW THING AND WE DO NEED BAND TO MOVE ASAP TO THE AREA. DID ANYBODY ANYBODY 
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OPPOSE THAT OR. NO, I'M NOT OPPOSED THAT. I'M JUST A ASTOUNDED THAT IT'S THAT MUCH MONEY. HOW COULD THE AVERAGE PERSON, EVEN IF YOU'RE WORKING FOR LOCKHEED OR HARRIS, HOW COULD IT'S IT'S LIKE THAT. OR A COLLEGE PROFESSOR. WELL, OUR LAWYER ONLY SAID WE'RE GOING TO ASK FOR IT. I DON'T KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO GET IT. BUT EITHER WAY, THERE'S, THERE'S NO SHAME IN JUST ASKING. YEAH. YOU KNOW, SO, SO AGAIN, WHEN I, YOU KNOW, I RUN, I RUN A MAYOR AND WITH THE SUPPORT OF MY COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, AND THE DISCUSSION AND WE WORK WELL TOGETHER. NOBODY HAS THAT ANY ISSUE. AND AGAIN, IT ONLY CHANGE I WOULD MAKE TO SOMETHING LIKE THIS BESIDES A COUPLE THINGS THAT MR. CONNOLLY SAW WERE, YOU KNOW, JUST VERY MINOR THINGS AND. SURE. YEAH, OF COURSE. BUT IT WOULD REALLY SAY, YOU KNOW, AFTER SPEAKING WITH THE COUNCIL, I'D LIKE FOR IT TO SAY WE UNANIMOUSLY SUPPORT THIS PROJECT AND, AND THE SOCCER. AND, YOU KNOW, IF I COULD GET A UNANIMOUS YAY, YAY, YAY YAY. I LOVE THIS PROJECT. I'M YEAH. SO SO WE TRUST ME. 
          I'M I'M FIVE YEARS IN IT. I, I, I LOVE IT. I'M VERY SAD THAT I WON'T BE ON COUNCIL WHEN WE VOTE. DON'T WORRY. YOU'LL BE IN THE KICKOFF. YAY. YEAH. OKAY. AND THEN SO WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT. SO THE LAST THING I WANT TO BRING UP THE PICTURE NOW. NOW IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO. CAN I SAY THAT? YEAH. YOU'RE GOOD. HEY, WE'RE GOOD. NOT FOR LONG BECAUSE WE'RE ALMOST OUT OF HERE. SO THIS IS MY THIS IS JUST WEIRD. THIS IS MY NEXT PROJECT. YOU KNOW, I AND THIS IS MY NEXT PROJECT I BUILT STARTED THE DOG PARKS. I DID A BUNCH OF STUFF. BUT, YOU KNOW, I LIKE TO TALK ABOUT MARK LARUSSO AND YOU KNOW, WHO I CALL. YOU KNOW WHAT I WOULD CALL THIS? THIS ART, AS IT'S CALLED, THE STATESMAN AND SERVE ON THE COUNCIL FOR NEARLY, YOU KNOW, ALMOST TWO DECADES THROUGH CHALLENGING TIMES. I WILL SAY THAT HE'S REMAINED A STEADY VOICE ON THIS COUNCIL. AND, AND I, I WOULD SAY THAT, YOU KNOW WHAT? HE'S SUPPORTED THE EAU GALLIE ARTS DISTRICT AND HIS DISTRICT. YOU KNOW, THIS IS KIND OF A ROUGH RENDITION OF, OF PUTTING ADDING TO THE ART DOWN THERE BY PUTTING SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND SHOWING, YOU KNOW, MY, MY APPRECIATION FOR WHAT MARK HAS DONE FOR THIS CITY AND THE EAU GALLIE ARTS DISTRICT. SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE COUNCIL DOLLARS. IT'S GOING TO BE TAX DOLLARS, BUT I'M GOING TO WORK ON RAISING THIS PRIVATELY TO GO IN FRONT OF THE HOTEL. AND IT WOULD BE, AND WE MAY COLOR IT UP A LITTLE BIT AND DO SOMETHING. AND WE'RE GOING TO GET SOME OF THE I WANT TO GET SOME OF THE ARTS PEOPLE TO KIND OF GIVE ME A LITTLE BIT OF IDEAS OF HOW WE CAN CREATE SOMETHING. AND WHEN YOU GO TO A LOT OF CITIES, YOU SEE STUFF LIKE THIS. BUT I THINK IT I THINK IT WOULD SERVE, YOU KNOW, THE ARTS DISTRICT WELL. AND, AND REALLY, YOU KNOW, SHOW OUR APPRECIATION FOR SOMEONE WHO SPENT, YOU KNOW, FOUR TERMS ON THIS COUNCIL AND GIVING HIS TIME, HIS ENERGY, HIS LOVE TO THE CITY. SO JUST WANT TO BRING THAT UP, THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE ONE OF MY GOALS THAT I GET THIS THING DONE. AND I WILL BE TALKED TO A COUPLE BUSINESS OWNERS AND THEY'RE GOING TO HELP ME RAISE RAISE THE FUNDS FOR A NICE, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW YET IF IT'S GOING TO BE MAYBE SOMETHING THAT'S BRONZE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING TO DO. AND FOR, FOR WHO I CALL THE STATESMAN ON THIS COUNCIL. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING TO DO. AND THAT'S MY NEXT PROJECT. 
          THIS IS JUST WEIRD. IS IT WEIRD? IT'S WEIRD, BUT I APPRECIATE THE SENTIMENT AND I APPRECIATE THE ACCOLADE. AND, WELL, I CAN'T STOP YOU FROM DOING ANYTHING, BUT IT'S JUST WEIRD. 
          WELL, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T EVEN LOOK LIKE ME, FOR GOD'S SAKE. YEAH, BECAUSE HE'S HANDSOME. 
          HOW BIG IS THAT GOING TO BE? HOW BIG IS THAT GOING TO BE? IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE ONE OF THOSE BIG CHAIRS THAT ARE WELL, WELL WELL, NO, IT'D BE PROBABLY BE STANDARD, PROBABLY BE STANDARD SIZED. YOU KNOW, IT'D BE I MEAN, AND AGAIN, THAT'S STILL, IT'S STILL IN THE, YOU KNOW, PHASE. AND IF YOU LIKE IT, YOU KNOW, I'LL BRING IT BACK AROUND AND KIND OF GET YOUR IDEAS. IF YOU HAVE A THOUGHT ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS, SINCE IT'S NOT COUNCIL ACTION OR ANYTHING, I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, DISCUSS IT AT COUNCIL. IF YOU SEE SOMETHING OR YOU WANT TO SEE A CHANGE. AND AGAIN, IT MAY BE COLORFUL, IT MAY BE SOME, I'D PROBABLY LIKE TO ADD A LITTLE BIT OF COLOR INTO IT, BUT IT'D BE A NICE. I THINK IT'LL LOOK GOOD IN DOWNTOWN, DOWNTOWN O'GALLEY MISS KENNEDY, ACTUALLY, THAT'S GOING TO BE ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TRAVEL IN DIFFERENT COUNTRIES AND WE SEE THE PEOPLE STANDING THERE THAT ARE THAT DON'T MOVE. 
          THAT'S MY JOB. NOW AFTER I GO, YOU KNOW, BUT ANYWAY, AGAIN, I, I, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, I THINK, I THINK AGAIN, IT'S SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE TO THANK YOU. O'GALLEY 
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ARTS DISTRICT AND YOU'VE, YOU'VE BEEN A CHAMPION, YOU'VE BEEN A CHAMPION. AND I DO THINK IT LOOKS LIKE YOU. I THINK IT WOULD. WE ALL AGREE IT LOOKS YOUNGER. OKAY, THEN I GO WITH IT. WITH THAT I CAN MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT YOUNGER. I COULD DO THAT. THANK YOU. WELL. WELL, NO. 
          YEAH. YOUR FIRST TERM YOU'D PROBABLY YOU'D BE WHAT, 74 ON YOUR FIRST TERM? OH MY GOD. WOW. 
          BUT NO YOU'RE GOOD. WELL LISTEN AGAIN I JUST WANT TO LET COUNCIL KNOW. WE'LL GO AHEAD. 
          WE'RE GOING TO WRAP UP THIS MEETING. I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY AND IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY, ESPECIALLY FOR US ON AIRPORT BO
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